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1 Shvaughn  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:10:43pm
2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:21:17pm

re: #1 Shvaughn

Ted Nugent has found a new niche as a right winger trolling the media with outrageous comments. The old niche of exploiting the dumb head-banging male rock audience dried up.

Actually, he’s probably still appealing to the same dumb audience, just older. These days they’re watching Fox News instead of sitting with their heads 6 inches from a stack of roaring Marshall amps.

3 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:23:49pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Ted Nugent has found a new niche as a right winger trolling the media with outrageous comments. The old niche of exploiting the dumb head-banging male rock audience dried up.

Actually, he’s probably still appealing to the same dumb audience, just older. These days they’re watching Fox News instead of sitting with their heads 6 inches from a stack of roaring Marshall amps.

Sitting 6 inches from a stack of roaring amps (with the volume set to 11) sounds like excellent training for appreciating the finer point of Fox News discourse.

4 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:24:57pm

re: #3 EPR-radar

Sitting 6 inches from a stack of roaring amps (with the volume set to 11) sounds like excellent training for appreciating the finer point of Fox News discourse.

The kids who stayed cool were listening to Phil Ochs, acoustic.

5 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:37:25pm

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

Evening, all! Happy end to the penultimate day of the work week. Hope the Lizardii are doing well.

Oh, and that two to three inches of rain we had the other day? Didn’t do squat for our reservoir levels.

6 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:41:19pm

re: #5 austin_blue

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

Evening, all! Happy end to the penultimate day of the work week. Hope the Lizardii are doing well.

Oh, and that two to three inches of rain we had the other day? Didn’t do squat for our reservoir levels.

The ground ate it all up?

7 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:45:46pm

re: #5 austin_blue

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

I’ll bet it’s a whole lot of individual shots stitched together in Adobe After Effects.

8 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:54:51pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I’ll bet it’s a whole lot of individual shots stitched together in Adobe After Effects.

I don’t know. If you take a look at pedestrians on the street, especially when the cam is on the second building, they are moving smoothly (but *really* fast), not popping in and out.

Which makes it even better. That kind of coordination is like conducting a symphony. It’s a killer bee performance.

9 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:55:36pm

THE DAILY DERP
What movie was this? CLUE: IT WAS A MOVIE


Shouldn’t be Tweeting either


WTF?


WTFF?

10 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:56:16pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

There you are! I have a link for you—hang on…

11 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:58:45pm

Paul Watson is out of the next season of Whale Wars:

“Whale Wars” TV conservationist Paul Watson quit his conservation society Tuesday because of a recent federal court injunction against him and his group’s anti-whaling activities.

Last month, the Japanese research foundation Institute of Cetacean Research and the Japanese firm Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha Ltd. secured a U.S. District Court injunction against Watson and his Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, according to the institute’s website.

The injunction prohibits Watson and his group from coming within 500 yards of the plaintiffs on the open sea, according to a copy of the court document on the institute’s website.

Watson has become renowned for his attempts to disrupt Japanese whalers on the open water through Animal Planet’s “Whale Wars” TV show.

12 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 6:59:41pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

I just tweeted this a little while ago. Maybe good for your blog?

13 Stan the Demanded Plan  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:04:10pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

WTFF is pretty good.

14 Stan the Demanded Plan  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:05:55pm

what the fucking fuck obvious. I lean to what the flying fuck.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:06:35pm
16 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:07:47pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

There are times like this when i find myself force to root for Barack Obama at least a little, because I really do admire his ability to keep calm and decent while subject to the kinds of extreme nate that are aimed at him. Barack, this one is for you:

17 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:08:50pm

re: #13 Stanghazi

WTFF is pretty good.

I kind of gave up the DERP search after WTFF. They retweet and retweet this shit over and over and over so it’s all one big insane wingnut echo chamber. The fake quotes, the Hitler photoshops, the Sandy Hook troofers, make me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty screwdriver.

18 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:08:52pm

re: #14 Stanghazi

what the fucking fuck obvious. I lean to what the flying fuck.

Wave the flemish flag!

19 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:09:47pm

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Thanks!

My pleasure! There’s always room for a little tzedakah/sadaqah. ;)

Jewish Daily Forward is embarrassed by Jews who keep kosher.

Sheesh.

20 Stan the Demanded Plan  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:13:35pm

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:14:17pm

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

I kind of gave up the DERP search after WTFF. They retweet and retweet this shit over and over and over so it’s all one big insane wingnut echo chamber. The fake quotes, the Hitler photoshops, the Sandy Hook troofers, make me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty screwdriver.

Give yourself a break: Don’t look at that crap again till Sunday. It’s depressing filth and you need a couple of days away from it.

22 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:19:19pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

Winter coats at 49° F? LMAO —> Cali girl

// I was the same way when I first moved to the East Coast and I LMAO at ppl in NJ who complained about the heat when it was 85° out. Now, if it gets above 70° I think I’m melting, heh.

23 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:24:56pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

What are you wearing? And don’t the coats make it take longer to cook the salmon?

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:27:16pm

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Winter coats at 49° F? LMAO —> Cali girl

// I was the same way when I first moved to the East Coast and I LMAO at ppl in NJ who complained about the heat when it was 85° out. Now, if it gets above 70° I think I’m melting, heh.

heh. 44 F in Philly right now and that is overly warm for this part of January. A regular tropical heat wave… ;)

25 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:29:14pm

re: #23 Feline Fearless Leader

What are you wearing? And don’t the coats make it take longer to cook the salmon?

Last night I grilled a salmon in my winter coat. What it was doing in my winter coat I’ll never know.

26 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:30:05pm

I am just so fucking sick of the fake quotes.

27 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:32:13pm

re: #19 CuriousLurker

My pleasure! There’s always room for a little tzedakah/sadaqah. ;)

Sheesh.

Found this. :)

28 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:32:56pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Some real charmers in that group. Twitter is like a man hole cover with plumes of smoke coming out, ready to blow.

29 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:34:58pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

Puhleeze. Cry me a river would you. We ned the water.

Blizzard Warning

Edit. BTW, it is 25 degrees here in Twin Falls, Id.

30 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:36:19pm

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

“Oh, no! That’s below 50!” : )

31 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:36:51pm

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

I am just so fucking sick of the fake quotes.

[Embedded content]

First Annual Message to Congress
George Washington
January 8, 1790

32 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:38:51pm
33 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:39:09pm

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Found this. :)

Cool, thanks.

Let them fight a proxy war in the Pages while we try to figure out another way to get past our differences. ;)

34 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:40:40pm

…Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy…

35 dragonath  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:44:30pm

There’s still a tradition of reading Washington’s Farewell Address before the Senate on his birthday. Last year Jeanne Shaheen did the reading.

36 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:46:59pm

re: #34 Gus

…Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy…

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

37 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:52:21pm

re: #24 Feline Fearless Leader

heh. 44 F in Philly right now and that is overly warm for this part of January. A regular tropical heat wave… ;)

Heh, same here—40 right now—it was really nice earlier this afternoon. Much warmer than usual.

38 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:55:19pm

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

Great White Sharks Spotted Off Fla. Coast

A pair of great white sharks have been spotted swimming off the coast of Jacksonville Beach, Fla., this week, thanks to the help of a new GPS tracking device that allows researchers to follow their movements up and down the U.S. east coast.

Jacksonville’s First Coast News reported that two great whites — the first named Mary Lee, who weighs more than 3,400 pounds and measures 16 feet long, and the second named Genie, a 14-footer who weighs nearly 2,300 pounds — were first spotted near the Florida coast this week after being tagged off the coast of Cape Cod, Mass. […]

O_o

39 dragonath  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:55:42pm

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:56:44pm

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

Won’t cost him any tolls to get into NJ. However, on the way out it is another story!

41 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 7:58:41pm

Night Lizards. Starting to spit snow. Will be interesting to see what the A.M. brings. Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

42 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:00:43pm

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

O_o

Everybody, leave them the hell alone!

43 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:01:49pm

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

O_o

I posted on that one last night. Big fish, those two. Though the expedition that tagged them thankfully had a boat big enough for the job. :D

44 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:03:13pm

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

It had actually become free of those type of ice floes by the Civil War. The 1850’s saw the end of the Little Ice Age and North America warmed up dramatically.

45 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:03:38pm

re: #42 prairiefire

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

46 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:05:41pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

47 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:06:13pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

You baby!

Just swim up to the fishy and tickle it til it falls asleep.

48 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:06:33pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

[Link: sharks-ocearch.verite.com…]

49 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:07:17pm
50 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:09:04pm

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

Great White Sharks Spotted Off Fla. Coast

A pair of great white sharks have been spotted swimming off the coast of Jacksonville Beach, Fla., this week, thanks to the help of a new GPS tracking device that allows researchers to follow their movements up and down the U.S. east coast.

Jacksonville’s First Coast News reported that two great whites — the first named Mary Lee, who weighs more than 3,400 pounds and measures 16 feet long, and the second named Genie, a 14-footer who weighs nearly 2,300 pounds — were first spotted near the Florida coast this week after being tagged off the coast of Cape Cod, Mass. […]

O_o

Quick everybody, jump it!

51 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:09:52pm

#ThingsScarierThanAGreatWhiteShark

Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, or Michele Bachmann as POTUS

52 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:10:40pm

re: #49 Gus

@MaryLeeShark

Ha! Even the shark has a Twitter account. LOL

53 sagehen  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:10:48pm

re: #40 Feline Fearless Leader

Won’t cost him any tolls to get into NJ. However, on the way out it is another story!

well, duh. Nobody would pay to get into Jersey, anybody and everybody would pay to get out.

FREE MARKET!!!

54 Belafon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:11:15pm

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

I see you stopped highlighting before you got to the next paragraph. Did you stop reading there as well?

55 Belafon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:13:09pm

re: #32 Gus
It’s interesting, but the image you supplied left this part out:

to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite;

56 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:14:33pm

re: #46 Four More Tears

[Embedded content]

Well, Long Lance torpedoes were something as scary as a shark, if you happened to be in an Allied ship. Their use of liquid oxygen meant they left little wake, they were very fast, and their large warheads almost always detonated upon impact.

57 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:14:59pm

re: #53 sagehen

well, duh. Nobody would pay to get into Jersey, anybody and everybody would pay to get out.

FREE MARKET!!!

Q. Why is it that New Jersey has so many toxic waste dumps and California has so many lawyers?

A. Jersey got first pick.

58 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:15:19pm

It’s getting late here, I’m out. G’nite, everyone.

59 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:15:30pm

re: #55 Belafon

It’s interesting, but the image you supplied left this part out:

That whole quote is bogus.

60 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:20:13pm

re: #54 Belafon

I see you stopped highlighting before you got to the next paragraph. Did you stop reading there as well?

No, I read it. Frankly, there is a great deal in that passage for me to expound on, but by focusing on one part of it I was able to keep my post to a manageable length.

61 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:23:00pm

The book I’ve been waiting 16 years for finally arrived at my door this evening.

62 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:24:57pm

re: #61 Kragar

The book I’ve been waiting 16 years for finally arrived at my door this evening.

The Necronomicon?

//

63 dragonath  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:28:29pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Actually, ice events used to be more common. The last real ice jam that affected areas downstream was in 1996.

64 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:28:49pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

The Necronomicon?

//

No, I picked up a copy of that back in high school.

The 14th and final Wheel of Time book.

65 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:38:05pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

I posted on that one last night. Big fish, those two. Though the expedition that tagged them thankfully had a boat big enough for the job. :D

Good! I swear to goodness I will stuff the head of anybody who wants to make a trophy of them! I’m still upset about the pregnant lady hammerhead.

66 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:41:55pm

re: #65 prairiefire

Good! I swear to goodness I will stuff the head of anybody who wants to make a trophy of them! I’m still upset about the pregnant lady hammerhead.

Sharks of that size are rare, so I understand why you feel as you do.

67 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:42:31pm

re: #65 prairiefire

Ironic humans should complain about sharks invading “people” space after they’ve done so much incalculable damage to their natural habitat, the world’s oceans.

The most horrific predators on Earth always have been, and always will be homo sapiens.

68 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:52:47pm

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

Tea Party favorite Joe Walsh says conservatives are losing the “war” for U.S. voters and encouraged his backers at a South Loop rally to engage in civil disobedience to defy the Affordable Care Act or new gun regulations.

At his most aggressive, he told dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with federal health care law restrictions or new gun laws.

He paraphrased Thomas Jefferson in saying, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

The one-term McHenry County congressman, who lost his re-election bid to Democrat Tammy Duckworth in November, openly contemplated breaking away from the Republican Party during a Wednesday rally at Blackie’s, 755 S. Clark St.

And in the end of the rally he began organizing a statewide movement he said would “scare Republicans and Democrats.”

69 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:55:59pm

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

I hate this guy, why won’t he just go away?

70 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:57:47pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I hate this guy, why won’t he just go away?

I’ve spent the last four years wondering the same thing about Sarah Palin.

71 dragonath  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 8:59:55pm

re: #68 Kragar

He paraphrased Thomas Jefferson in saying, “We may have to shed other people’s blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

Yup.

72 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:05:53pm

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

I’m assuming the paraphrase is of Jefferson’s “tree of liberty” bit. The irony in that is thick, as it was Jefferson’s response to word of Shay’s Rebellion, which itself was armed rebellion over taxes and debt collection. And while Jefferson seemed to approve of armed revolution in the name of avoiding debts, word of the rebellion inspired Washington and many others to push for a stronger federal government and expanded military powers in order to address such uprisings.

Jefferson was a good man, one whose ideas helped inspire this nation and whose work on the Declaration of Independence was fundamental. But when it came to dealing with the reality of a new nation, he was still very much an idealist.

73 erik_t  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:12:58pm

re: #68 Kragar

At his most aggressive, he told dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with federal health care law restrictions or new gun laws.

Maybe if Joe Walsh hadn’t ‘defied and or broken the law’ to keep from putting food on his kids’ fucking table, I’d consider him worthy to polish the boot-scrubber outside the National Archives door nearest to the Constitution.

74 erik_t  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:14:53pm

Joe Walsh is a bigger national embarrassment than Twilight.

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:20:35pm

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

Well Joe there’s a reason why you’re an ex Congressman and this is a good example why. Enjoy paying child support asshole.

76 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:20:44pm

This is certainly the land of the free when a man who is as big of a twit as Mr. Walsh can win, and lose, an elected office.

77 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:21:31pm

I’m still amazed he won office to begin with to be honest. Just another example why you should never vote for a party just because you’re angry with the other. Stupid way to vote.

78 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:23:22pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I’m still amazed he won office to begin with to be honest. Just another example why you should never vote for a party just because you’re angry with the other. Stupid way to vote.

Indeed, “protest votes” or simply refusing to vote at all does nothing but just help the other guy. And I know a lot of folks are angry with that, think it a cop-out. But in our present political climate, it’s going to take a great deal of defections from either party to a third party to move the needle.

79 erik_t  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:23:36pm

re: #77 HappyWarrior

you should never vote for a party

Edited for succinctness.

(however you can certainly vote against one.)

80 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:25:04pm

re: #79 erik_t

Edited for succinctness.

(however you can certainly vote against one.)

Yeah, I can’t imagine voting for anyone that the Virginia GOP is going to put in front of me anytime soon.

81 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:30:37pm

One of Kansas City’s own fictional writers, Evan Connell, dies at the age of 88 ~ [Link: www.latimes.com…]

82 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:39:36pm

While living out in the real world today, actually was paying attention. I tried to take a steadier shot, but it’s difficult in a moving car. I did some post processing, but it didn’t help much.

How was your day?

83 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:41:57pm
84 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:46:56pm

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

While living out in the real world today, actually was paying attention. I tried to take a steadier shot, but it’s difficult in a moving car. I did some post processing, but it didn’t help much.

How was your day?

I like it! The highlighted part is what the kids like in “hyper-realism” for wallpaper, etc.

85 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 9:57:54pm

re: #84 prairiefire

I like it! The highlighted part is what the kids like in “hyper-realism” for wallpaper, etc.

Thanks. It took me a minute to start laughing. Either the managers of the company have a wicked sense of humor or someone was trying to be helpful. I can’t decide which.

Thanks for posting something too! I thought I killed the thread again. :(

86 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:20:28pm

I did, I killed it.

Well, at least I didn’t kill Kenny.

87 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:33:08pm

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Funny pic though.

I’ve seen semis with “If you can read this, you’re too close.” on the back end.

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:42:00pm

Gamer senses tingling:

89 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:47:14pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Gamer senses tingling:

[Embedded content]

I remember the 2020 version

90 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:52:44pm

re: #89 Kragar

I remember the 2020 version

That was back when I was still a kid. Hadn’t even really heard of cyberpunk til I was in high school.

91 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 10:54:44pm

Excellent.

92 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:07:14pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

That was back when I was still a kid. Hadn’t even really heard of cyberpunk til I was in high school.

My buddies and I used to play as bounty hunters. I had a Nomad who worked as the driver and had friends in low places.

93 freetoken  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:14:10pm

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of dead-beat and absentee dads, this was on my fb.

Speaking of which, as I’m undertaking an exhaustive genealogy exercise, to fill in some holes in mine (one quarter, to be exact, from an unknown grandfather), I am struck about how hard it can be to track someone down, but at the same time appreciate that our society sees fit to keep written records.

I’m doing a hail-mary just to up my chances - a genetic search. It’s a long shot, especially as my mother has deep roots in this country, all the way back to the 17th century, so I know that there will be very many “5th” cousins showing up in genetic matches.

Oh, and even with all the computerized support out there I’m also struck by how crude so much of it is - really poor user interfaces, lack of cross checked references, etc. Quite a few erroneous entries made by people through time, including some of my distant relative ancestors who drew family trees before the age of computers.

And, I’m one of those who probably will be hampered by the loss (by fire) of the 1890 census files. I need to track some lines back through Ohio, Indiana, and probably Kentucky during the late 19th century. And speaking of censuses, I notice how often the data entered first hand is erroneous - I’ve caught some from the 1930 and 1940 censuses already. It’s amazing how wrong people can get their own birth year or their spouses.

94 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:15:27pm

re: #92 Kragar

My buddies and I used to play as bounty hunters. I had a Nomad who worked as the driver and had friends in low places.

95 freetoken  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:18:49pm

One neat factoid I learnt today - besides one of my great great grandfathers who served the Union (cavalry) in the War, his father (my g^3 grandfather) was in it too, though he was much older. My g-g-grandfather was pretty young to be in the cavalry so I wondered why he signed up, but it turns out his father did also. The old guy served in a special unit for “grey hairs”, that relieved the youngsters of doing behind the line duties such as guarding prisoner camps.

96 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:21:39pm

re: #94 Gus

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97 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:27:54pm

re: #96 Kragar

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98 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:29:26pm

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99 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:31:14pm

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100 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:33:21pm

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101 freetoken  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:33:31pm

Actually, it was my g-g-grandfather’s father-in-law who was also in the “War of the Rebellion”, which raises the question, since by g-g-grandfather was married only after the war, if he met his woman by meeting his future-father-in-law, or, did he enlist to impress his to-be-father-in-law?

How far will a young man go to get a woman?

102 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:34:15pm

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104 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:37:07pm

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How far will a young man go to get a woman?

105 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:38:00pm

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106 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:41:00pm

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107 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:43:15pm

re: #93 freetoken

I’ve done the same thing, and some of the errors in census records can either be attributed to clerical errors, poor memory, or language problems. My great-grandfather, who really was born in New Jersey, has his birthplace listed variously in NJ or NY in later censuses. Probably one of his kids was the person being interviewed, but who knows?

I knew my grandfather had been been married before he married my grandma, but I didn’t know (and maybe my dad didn’t either) that grandpa and his first wife adopted a baby girl. She lived long enough to marry and have kids, but died fairly young soon afterward. Her granddaughter and I connected on the Internet a few years back, and discovered we each had the same baby picture of this woman.

108 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:43:48pm

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109 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:46:43pm

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110 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:48:31pm

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Bow chicka. You bastard.

111 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:49:09pm
112 Kragar  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:52:08pm

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113 Gus  Thu, Jan 10, 2013 11:56:56pm

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Dream lover.

114 TedStriker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 12:25:14am

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Dio’s style really did evolve over time…from 60s frat rock to Black Sabbath to “Holy Diver”.

He was the progenitor of power metal.

115 Kragar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 12:31:09am

re: #114 TedStriker

Dio’s style really did evolve over time…from 60s frat rock to Black Sabbath to “Holy Diver”.

Yup. The guy was a legend.

116 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 12:31:15am

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Well, Long Lance torpedoes were something as scary as a shark, if you happened to be in an Allied ship. Their use of liquid oxygen meant they left little wake, they were very fast, and their large warheads almost always detonated upon impact.

And if their name was “Lance”, they were probably on steroids…

117 TedStriker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 12:32:22am

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

And if their name was “Lance”, they were probably on steroids…

*groan*

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118 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 12:34:50am

First pun of the day…and we’ve hit a tanker!!!

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:30:44am

PLEASE SOMEBODY STOP ME BEFORE I KILL ANTOHER THREAD!!!

120 freetoken  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:26:37am

re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz

121 freetoken  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:31:34am

Three cheers for the puritans in MA - they liked to keep records, and passed that on to their descendants.

Looking for records, it’s clear that all states aren’t equal. NY didn’t require b/d registrations until 1881 - boo. My g-g-g grandfather of whom I wrote earlier was supposedly born in that state, but that was in the early 19th century and official records probably don’t exist. The old Bible records page does give a date and county in NY, but there is no way to verify that, probably. Which is a shame, as his ancestry that was researched over the years is at odds with what I can find on the internet. If it weren’t for old Bible records there probably wouldn’t be much genealogical history before the Civil War.

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:42:02am

re: #121 freetoken

Puritans and Mormons have a few redeeming features, like keeping meticulous genealogical records. And tidy front lawns. Great for keeping up property values.

123 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:21:41am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

They were talking about entire countries, not individuals. When each citizen is preparing for war against his own neighbors, what kind of society is that? And anyway, the stats simply do not bear out the belief that having a gun makes you safer. Instances of people using guns to fend off intruders are the exception, not the rule. Guns purchased for self-defense are more likely to be used in domestic arguments, road rage incidents, suicides, accidental shootings, etc. etc. etc. Guns also raise the likelihood that arguments will result in catastrophic injury or death.

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

124 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:26:52am

re: #123 Tigger2005

They were talking about entire countries, not individuals. When each citizen is preparing for war against his own neighbors, what kind of society is that? And anyway, the stats simply do not bear out the belief that having a gun makes you safer. Instances of people using guns to fend off intruders are the exception, not the rule. Guns purchased for self-defense are more likely to be used in domestic arguments, road rage incidents, suicides, accidental shootings, etc. etc. etc. Guns also raise the likelihood that arguments will result in catastrophic injury or death.

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

And let me add this…in George Washington’s day, you couldn’t just pick up a gun and shoot somebody. You had to put the powder in and load the ball.

125 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:27:17am

re: #123 Tigger2005

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

That’s not how statistics work. This is annoying. You cannot apply general statistics to a single situation. A particular single mom may actually be in a dangerous enough situation where a gun makes her safer.

We don’t have to declare every gun in every situation to be more dangerous than that situation without the gun.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:28:55am

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

If you want to defend yourself in your home with a gun, then you need training and steady nerves.

To defend others in a crowded public place, you need extensive training, experience, nerves of steel and a sound sense of judgement, otherwise, you can easily complicate an already dangerous situation.

That skills set is not automatically conferred upon you when you get a gun permit. Guns are not some kind of talisman.

The teacher at the last shooting in California managed to disarm the assailant without using a gun…

127 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:45:12am

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

And the armed deputy didn’t prevent it, nor did the armed guards at Virginia Tech or at a ton of other places. Guns are not magic talismans, nor are ‘armed guards’. The only way to reduce gun death is to increase gun regulation and decrease the number of guns floating around out there.

128 compound_Idaho  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:54:41am

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

Puritans and Mormons have a few redeeming features, like keeping meticulous genealogical records. And tidy front lawns. Great for keeping up property values.

My aunt is the researcher and keeper of my family history. In the system, each family member is assigned a unique ID number. When I got married, my wife’s ID number became #666. She is certain it is no accident.

129 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:04:06am

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up. I’m not a fan of some untrained yahoo firing blind at a burglar, but I want that yahoo to have the opportunity to own a weapon and get the training, without having to justify to the government his need to defend his home.

130 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:14:41am

Job interview, BBL. Wish me luck.

131 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:19:25am

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Job interview, BBL. Wish me luck.

Good luck. We should hear good news.

132 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:45:36am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

So how strict do you want the training and regulation to be?

133 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:46:52am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up.

If so, why do you think they have magical powers like somehow warding off America’s enemies while in civilian hands?

134 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:50:12am

#RIPTedNugent

135 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:00:47am

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

Speaking of GW, I do so enjoy being able to walk up the hill at the end of my driveway to Dorchester Heights and think of the history there.

IMG: Dorchester Heights Monument

136 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:02:17am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the NRA isn’t happy with how yesterday’s meeting with VP Biden went. They were disappointed and warn (threaten) that comprehensive gun control wont happen this year.

Of course, it goes without saying that they’d oppose any kind of comprehensive gun control or any kind of assault weapons ban, and that they’d further oppose anything that might even be considered a restriction or regulation on top of existing laws.

Never mind that the existing laws have loopholes that you can drive a convoy of assault weapons through and have enough room for enough ammo to last several lifetimes.

There’s room to do something about fixing the broken system, but it should be apparent to anyone that the NRA isn’t going to be a willing partner to solve this conundrum.

137 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:07:52am
138 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:09:44am

re: #136 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the NRA isn’t happy with how yesterday’s meeting with VP Biden went. They were disappointed and warn (threaten) that comprehensive gun control wont happen this year.

Of course, it goes without saying that they’d oppose any kind of comprehensive gun control or any kind of assault weapons ban, and that they’d further oppose anything that might even be considered a restriction or regulation on top of existing laws.

Never mind that the existing laws have loopholes that you can drive a convoy of assault weapons through and have enough room for enough ammo to last several lifetimes.

There’s room to do something about fixing the broken system, but it should be apparent to anyone that the NRA isn’t going to be a willing partner to solve this conundrum.

The NRA’s a lobbying firm for the gun manufacturers these days. Doesn’t matter what the polls say its membership wants, it’s not going to support any laws that could potentially eat into the sales of the companies bankrolling it. Better to instead focus on marginalizing it, which it’s doing most of the heavy work by continuing to freak out at the littlest things.

139 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:20:33am

Via Sullivan, an article about geoengineering from the SF Chronicle: Link

What do people think about geoengineering schemes? I feel like a good analogy is chemotherapy. Normally, putting powerful poisons in one’s body would be a bad idea, but if the other option (cancer) is even worse, you do it, at least until the threat recedes.

Climate Change is planetary cancer, and until we reach the point where we’ve replaced carbon fuel with green energy entirely, we’re at risk. I think there will be a green energy revolution sooner rather than later, but it may be too late to stop the worst effects of climate change. We know how the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo affected the climate, and have a pretty good idea about the effects of other powerful eruptions in the past via ice cores and tree rings, so we wouldn’t really be going into an unknown zone.

The objections strike me as naive “you’re tinkering with forces beyond your control”. “You’re messing with natural systems.” “It could have unpredictable negative effects”. Um, and this is different from what we’re currently doing by pumping zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere….how?

140 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:40:54am
141 Achilles Tang  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:45:05am

re: #139 Ian G.

The objections strike me as naive “you’re tinkering with forces beyond your control”. “You’re messing with natural systems.” “It could have unpredictable negative effects”. Um, and this is different from what we’re currently doing by pumping zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere….how?

The difference is not naive. We can’t predict the consequences of geoengineering with any certainty, whereas we can predict with considerable certainty the effects of simply stopping doing certain other things.

142 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:45:23am

re: #140 Vicious Babushka

Usually, when you look at a list of states ranked by some indication of human development, there’s a consistent bottom 5: Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Here we’ve got a bottom 6 with Kentucky added.

And usually, among the best are those socialist hellholes of Massachusetts and Vermont.

143 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:01:28am

re: #141 Achilles Tang

The difference is not naive. We can’t predict the consequences of geoengineering with any certainty, whereas we can predict with considerable certainty the effects of simply stopping doing certain other things.

What’s the likelihood that those “certain other things” will be stopped anytime soon? That’s the problem.

144 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:07:52am

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Larry Ward, chairman of the national Gun Appreciation Day gun rights advocates have planned for the weekend of President Obama’s second inauguration, told CNN Friday that there never would have been slaves in America if black people had guns.

“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward said.

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:10:02am

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up. I’m not a fan of some untrained yahoo firing blind at a burglar, but I want that yahoo to have the opportunity to own a weapon and get the training, without having to justify to the government his need to defend his home.

That is not in question here; the Second Amendment and its current interpretation covers the right to own a gun to defend one’s home, it is just a matter of regulating and registering privately owned firearms.

146 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:13:19am

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read in a really, really, really long time.

147 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:15:09am

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward said.

I mean, can he not see the irony here?

148 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:15:33am

re: #147 geoffm33

I mean, can he not see the irony here?

No. No, he can’t.

149 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:16:53am

Mornin’ everyone…happy Friday.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:17:01am

“Jesus Christ would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed!”

151 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:17:20am

re: #146 geoffm33

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read in a really, really, really long time.

I used to say things like that, but then I’d read something dumber not five minutes later.

152 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:19:33am

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

153 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:21:22am

re: #152 darthstar

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

DERP. FAIL.

154 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:22:18am

re: #152 darthstar

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

They’re just digging themselves in all kinds of deeper. In any sane world, such a statement would have been slapped down with examples of laws enacted all the way up til the Civil Rights Era banning gun ownership to blacks, laws enacted and enforced by…that’s right…white Christian men.

155 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:24:36am

“If only Abraham Lincoln had been armed and had eyes in the back of his head…”

156 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:25:38am

re: #155 BongCrodny

Time to deregulate rear-facing-eyes.

157 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:25:56am

Then there’s that Jefferson quote they are so fond of retweeting:

“No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

Except that wingnuts put a space between “free” and “man” not realizing that when Jefferson wrote that, he used “freeman” in the context of “NOT A SLAVE.”

In Jefferson’s time slaves were always debarred the use of arms.

158 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:26:15am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

159 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:28:44am

re: #154 Targetpractice

They’re just digging themselves in all kinds of deeper. In any sane world, such a statement would have been slapped down with examples of laws enacted all the way up til the Civil Rights Era banning gun ownership to blacks, laws enacted and enforced by…that’s right…white Christian men.

Now to find Republican congresscritters willing to have an Akin/Mourdock moment by defending this asshole…you know some of them will be going to the Gun Appreciation Day festivities…time to get them on tape.

160 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:29:29am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

DERP. FAIL.

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So all these people running around today with Confederate flags are really Democrats. Hmmm. Who knew.

161 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:29:57am

re: #158 Ian G.

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

They refuse to admit the fact that a “Southern Democrat” was basically just a Republican who lives south of the Mason-Dixon line and could not hope to get elected by being a member of the party that freed the nig…,ahem, I mean slaves.

162 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:32:24am

re: #158 Ian G.

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

Wingnuts live in their own Bizarro world, where MLK was a Republican and Blacks only vote for Democrats because “they get free stuff”

163 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:32:32am

re: #160 Gus

So all these people running around today with Confederate flags are really Democrats. Hmmm. Who knew.

164 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:35:12am

re: #147 geoffm33

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

165 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:36:35am

Sure enough…

166 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:37:41am

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

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167 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:38:35am

re: #166 Gus

Whenever I see the word “guns” or “firearms” attributed to a historical figure I’m suspicious. They rarely used both words back then.

Somebody should put up a page of the Top 20 Fake Quotes on Twitter.

168 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:39:27am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Somebody should put up a page of the Top 20 Fake Quotes on Twitter.

Fake gun quotes? Could be done I suppose.

169 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:39:45am

re: #166 Gus

The suspicion about quotes attributed to historical figures in general is a good idea. Many that float about the ‘net are bogus, mischaracterizations, or exaggerations.

170 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:40:19am

Fake…

171 Four More Tears  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:42:30am

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

They’ve become completely divorced from reality. I mean, the papers have been signed and the lawyers have rested their cases…

172 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:46:56am

Here’s the mother lode of bogus quotes on Twitter: Results for firearms “George Washington”

173 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:47:41am

Maybe not a mother lode. Anyway, there are a bunch.

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:47:47am

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

The South did not even want to arm blacks to fight for the Confederacy, because that would have entailed freeing them afterwards…

175 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:48:57am

Heh. On the other hand, I think the NRA *would* consider this a solution!

176 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:49:15am

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

Probably with mass executions and more repression all around. You know, like this.

David Frum had a good tweet in response to all the nonsense about the Nazis being stopped if Germans (or Jews) were armed. He mentioned that the Polish army had guns in 1939. How did that turn out?

Also, Hungary had guns in 1956. A fat lot of good that did them against the Red Army….

177 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:52:52am

re: #170 Gus

On a hunch, I checked Google. This quote turns up on several “famous quotes” websites. Brainy Quote, the one I checked, offers no way to comment on the veracity of a quote. So, doubtlessly, these brainiacs are using the “if it’s on the Internet, it must be true” line of reasoning.

178 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:54:25am

re: #176 Ian G.

Well, in all fairness, if the Iraqi army was fully armed in 2003 George Bush never would have given the order to invade. We only did that because we knew they couldn’t really fight back…at least militarily.

179 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:54:32am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

On a hunch, I checked Google. This quote turns up on several “famous quotes” websites. Brainy Quote, the one I checked, offers no way to comment on the veracity of a quote. So, doubtlessly, these brainiacs are using the “if it’s on the Internet, it must be true” line of reasoning.

Yeah, I noticed the same. So they’re to blame as well.

180 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:55:19am

re: #176 Ian G.

Probably with mass executions and more repression all around. You know, like this.

David Frum had a good tweet in response to all the nonsense about the Nazis being stopped if Germans (or Jews) were armed. He mentioned that the Polish army had guns in 1939. How did that turn out?

Also, Hungary had guns in 1956. A fat lot of good that did them against the Red Army….

181 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:55:37am

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

“I LIKE CORN DOGS!” —John McCain, in response to why he suspended his campaign in 2008.

It’s true…it’s right there…on the internet.

182 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:57:51am

YouTube’s Most Popular ‘Gun Nut’ Found Shot to Death, Surrounded by Guns

Keith Ratliff was better known to the gun-loving side of YouTube as the user FPSRussia, aka Professional Russia, with his channel of ammunition porn racking up 3.5 million subscribers and over 500 million views. Last week, in a gruesome and still mysterious twist of fate, Georgia police found him shot in the head and surrounded by guns — just not the one that left him dead.

The Agenda 21 ninja/assassins are already inside the wire!!!

183 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:58:19am

re: #174 Sol Berdinowitz

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

184 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:01:55am

re: #181 darthstar

“I LIKE CORN DOGS!” —John McCain, in response to why he suspended his campaign in 2008.

It’s true…it’s right there…on the internet.

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

185 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:02:40am

re: #173 Gus

Maybe not a mother lode. Anyway, there are a bunch.

It just seems like there are more, because the same ones get retweeted over and over in the wingnut echo chamber.

The Jefferson fake quotes are easy to debunk because Monticello.org has a collection. I can’t find a reliable source for debunking the Washington “liberty’s teeth” fake quote, but last night I was able to debunk that “armed and disciplined” since it was a misrepresentation of a real quote.

186 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:06:58am

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

I seem to recall that even the Union was hesitant about using freed slaves to fight against the Confederacy until they started running low on manpower…

187 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:06:59am

“It makes me happy when Nancy slips a finger into my butt.” —Ronald Reagan to Mikhail Gorbachev after the Berlin Wall came down.

188 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:07:04am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

It just seems like there are more, because the same ones get retweeted over and over in the wingnut echo chamber.

The Jefferson fake quotes are easy to debunk because Monticello.org has a collection. I can’t find a reliable source for debunking the Washington “liberty’s teeth” fake quote, but last night I was able to debunk that “armed and disciplined” since it was a misrepresentation of a real quote.

[Embedded content]

There’s this from Guncite:

[Link: www.guncite.com…]

Of course when you’re dealing with a case of not being able to prove or disprove the general rule is to discard.

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:07:27am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

virality is veracity!

190 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:07:40am

So I’m already having a shitty day, and I click over to Talking Points Memo and see this:

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

The amount of self-delusion and stupid it takes to say this with a straight face defies all rational thought.

To every conservative that posts here: seriously, people, this is the problem. Right here. Your party and movement are infested with these lunatics, and at best, you guys respond with a No True Republican defense.

This is why you guys lost the Presidency and two Senate seats.

What. The. Fuck.

191 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:07:52am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

This has several variations including “hour” for “moment” and sometimes added as part of an actual Washington quote “A free people ought not only to be armed…” The various citations are even more numerous than different wordings: Address to the Second Session of the First U.S. Congress; Speech to Congress of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790; The Federalist No. 53; Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 1785.

The problems with this quote are many. (1) Prairie wagons were not being utilized and the prairies were uninhabited by European settlers at the time. (2) The percentage use and other modern English phrases such as “safe and sane” are suspicious and atypical for the time period. (3) The bold proclamation of needing firearms is odd since nobody was considering gun control against law-abiding people at the time. (4) Too many convenient topics are covered in one passage.

192 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:08:08am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

193 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:08:55am

Quoting famous people is fun!

194 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:08:57am

re: #191 lawhawk

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

How reliable is that site?

195 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:09:22am

re: #192 jaunte

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

WOLVERINES!1!

196 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:09:46am

re: #64 Kragar

No, I picked up a copy of that back in high school.

The 14th and final Wheel of Time book.

Cheese is swept, is that how many there are now? I quit at 4.

197 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:09:53am

re: #187 darthstar

“It makes me happy when Nancy slips a finger into my butt.” —Ronald Reagan to Mikhail Gorbachev after the Berlin Wall came down.

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:10:02am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

It may be too late to debunk it. This quote has been posted and re-posted so many times it’s now become as legendary as Washington chopping down the cherry tree and throwing a coin across the river.

Clearly, Washington never said it. It’s modern English, not the way people spoke or wrote in the 18th century.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:10:05am

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

Or their ancestors came over the ocean after the Civil War when the political equivalents of their current viewpoint were (still) agitating to turn them back at Ellis Island due to be from the wrong ethnic group or simply not being American.

Know Nothingism/Isolationism seems to come to the fore in US politics on a cyclical basis - roughly every 30-40 years.

200 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:10:06am

re: #191 lawhawk

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

201 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:10:27am
202 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:11:04am

re: #200 erik_t

George Washington on Ivory Soap slogans.

203 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:11:20am

re: #201 Gus

Firearms site:gwpapers.virginia.edu

Nada.

Google, being from the Bay Area, has a well-known liberal search bias.

What does Conservoogle turn up?

204 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:11:21am

re: #200 erik_t

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

Yeah, that’s pretty modern too: 99 99/100%.

Would be better if they said 99 and 44/100ths //

205 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:11:43am

re: #197 Mattand

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

here you go…it’s on the internet so it has to be true

206 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:12:02am

re: #199 Feline Fearless Leader

Or their ancestors came over the ocean after the Civil War when the political equivalents of their current viewpoint were (still) agitating to turn them back at Ellis Island due to be from the wrong ethnic group or simply not being American.

Know Nothingism/Isolationism seems to come to the fore in US politics on a cyclical basis - roughly every 30-40 years.

“Irish need not apply.”

207 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:12:19am

re: #204 Gus

Yeah, that’s pretty modern too: 99 99/100%.

I’d say it’s not so much modern as uneducated.

208 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:12:23am

re: #192 jaunte

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

These people have already determined taht the currently elected government is a band of illegal usurpers led by a foreign-born Muslim.

They are convinced that the President stole the election by promising free handouts to social parasites who, in their eyes, should not have been allowed to vote.

209 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:12:37am

re: #200 erik_t

Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

It makes me think of the huckster minister who published a book “proving” the existence of heaven by “quoting” his child who had a near-death experience and met Jesus. Jesus, apparently, had the brightest of blue eyes and blond hair.

Yeah, lots of blond-haired, blue-eyed people in 1st-century Israel. Again, show some fucking effort.

210 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:13:13am

re: #202 jaunte

George Washington on Ivory Soap slogans.

I’m waiting for Burma Shave GW quotes.
//

211 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:13:21am

re: #200 erik_t

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

212 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:13:26am

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

213 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:14:05am

re: #208 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m eager to see the interviewer that will press them on that.

214 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:15:07am

re: #197 Mattand

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

If you give someone with talent & photoshop an hour, maybe they can show you a picture of it actually happening. Not me though, I have neither talent nor photoshop

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:15:40am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

They did. But not as the general issue military weapons since smoothbore muskets had a higher firing rate and were easier to make. The backwoodsmen used rifles, and did the German jaeger troops.

216 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:15:44am

re: #205 darthstar

here you go…it’s on the internet so it has to be true

AUUGGGH!!! TIME LOOP!!!

217 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:16:17am

re: #214 Jolo5309

If you give someone with talent & photoshop an hour, maybe they can show you a picture of it actually happening. Not me though, I have neither talent nor photoshop

I have both, but the Geneva Convention and good taste prevent me from doing so.

218 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:16:28am

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

HA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, quite right. In a broad sense, they did not. If Wikipedia is to be believed, they were a very fringe weapon used by the sharpest of sharpshooters, but were by no means a general-use weapon and would surely not be discussed in lieu of muskets.

219 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:16:37am

Wooden choppers
You’ll one day see ‘em
On a shelf
In some museum
— George Washington

220 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:16:50am

re: #216 Mattand

AUUGGGH!!! TIME LOOP!!!

I would have made a bow but I got lazy.

221 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:17:04am
222 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:17:47am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

Fairly reliable. Gun Cite also refers to it, but notes that the gun rights folks provide attributions to various speeches/documents, and yet a review of any and all of those documents reveal no such language.

223 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:17:57am

re: #212 Gus

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

What were the results on Skewed Quotes?
;)

OR Unskewed Quotes for that matter?

224 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:19:00am

re: #222 lawhawk

Fairly reliable. Gun Cite also refers to it, but notes that the gun rights folks provide attributions to various speeches/documents, and yet a review of any and all of those documents reveal no such language.

The Big Lie is a cornerstone of modern Republican discourse. ‘Trust but verify’ is, sadly, too charitable.

225 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:22:24am

Madness to the rescue: Don’t Quote Me On That

226 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:22:32am

“Crossing the Delaware 2nite to surprize some bitchezzz! #punkassenglish” - George Washington if he had twitter.

227 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:23:15am
228 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:23:35am

Another one.

229 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:23:44am

re: #212 Gus

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

I thought the most famous Washington quote was:

Hookers and ham sandwiches, so good you just can’t have one

230 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:24:23am

re: #224 erik_t

They learned their history at the feet of David Barton.

231 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:25:02am

re: #190 Mattand

To every conservative that posts here: seriously, people, this is the problem. Right here. Your party and movement are infested with these lunatics, and at best, you guys respond with a No True Republican defense.

This is why you guys lost the Presidency and two Senate seats.

What. The. Fuck.

A+ post, would quote and upding again.

These are the kinds of morons that appeal to the party base because they ARE the party base. They are why the GOP is shrinking and becoming a regional white party.

232 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:25:12am

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

They learned their history at the feet of David Barton.

Some credit to a group to whom the past is as flexible as the future. Talk about living in the Now.
/

233 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:25:36am

re: #228 Gus

Is this yokel married? Does he have a daughter? What a fuckhead.

234 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:25:41am

Rifles, with their spiraled grooves, required a tight-fitting ball, which made it very slow to load. They were reserved for the light infantry and sharpshooters.

Smoothbore muskets could be loaded a lot more quickly, because they could take a looser-fitting ball and could be loaded by simply tapping down on the butt.

Assault rifles did not come about until WWII.

235 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:26:06am

re: #228 Gus

Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD. OB/GYN

236 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:26:40am

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.
—-George Washington’s First Annual Message to Congress (January 8, 1790)

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

237 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:26:56am

Tags at the top:

Nine Inch Nails, Short Film, Video, Vimeo

OMG, you stealthily made me upding Nine Inch Nails! Auuuugh!

238 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:27:04am

re: #235 The Mountain That Blogs

Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD. OB/GYN

A medical doctor? It gets worse.

239 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:27:24am

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
Hanlon’s razor

240 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:27:25am

re: #236 lawhawk

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

Tweeted that one last night.

241 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #236 lawhawk

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

And it is obvious he is talking about things at a national level. That a *country* should have the ability to manufacture sufficient arms and powder, rather than be dependent upon imports from another.

242 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:28:21am
A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.

Meaning the entire citizenry, acting together for our interests in common.

243 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:28:42am

re: #226 darthstar

“Crossing the Delaware 2nite to surprize some bitchezzz! #punkassenglish” - George Washington if he had twitter.

Sorry, but that’s Benedict Arnold’s twitter. GW wouldn’t be posting that until after he overruns the Hessians in Trenton.

244 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:29:47am

HOLY FREAKING CRAP

245 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:30:16am

re: #241 Feline Fearless Leader

And it is obvious he is talking about things at a national level. That a *country* should have the ability to manufacture sufficient arms and powder, rather than be dependent upon imports from another.

He was totally against outsourcing.

246 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:30:24am

re: #242 jaunte

Meaning the entire citizenry, acting together for our interests in common.

Shorter GW: you guys should put together something like the Pentagon.

247 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:31:44am

We still do that WRT to defense procurement. One reason we don’t buy off the shelf aircraft made by other nations. I forgot the word they use but it’s similar to native production.

248 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:32:08am

re: #246 Gus

Oh look, the 2nd was written about the national defense, not a whiny crank revolt!

249 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:33:00am

re: #248 jaunte

Oh look, the 2nd was written about the national defense, not a whiny crank revolt!

I’m willing to compromise. :D

250 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:33:28am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

One of the things I used to offer in an attempt to drum up business was information literacy courses, most of which included the section: How to trust your internet sources. Unfortunately, everyone thinks they already know how to trust them. Kinda hard to drum up business with a tagline that amounts to “the customer is wrong.”

251 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:33:52am

re: #247 Gus

We still do that WRT to defense procurement. One reason we don’t buy off the shelf aircraft made by other nations. I forgot the word they use but it’s similar to native production.

I think it’s called ‘because ours are better’.

/ and/or ;)

252 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:34:26am
253 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:34:57am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

I love how these morons keep pushing the bigoted meme that POTUS isn’t a “Real American”.

Way to do minority outreach, morons.

254 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:35:52am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

He was totally against outsourcing.

Also understood from experience that if you’re fighting the UK that the Royal Navy is going to blockade your ports and make such imports a mite more difficult.

Go forward four score years and you get the “Anaconda Plan” where the US puts a similar hitch in the CSA’s armaments.

255 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:36:25am

re: #238 wheat-dogghazi

A medical doctor? It gets worse.

256 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:37:08am

Just like clockwork.

Erik Rush: ‘The Obama Administration or One of Its Surrogates is Responsible for [Keith] Ratliff’s Death

WorldNetDaily columnist and Fox News regular Erik Rush today is suggesting that President Obama may be behind the recent murder of gun enthusiast Keith Ratliff. Rush admits that while he has “no proof” besides his own “inclination,” the extremist writer claims Obama helped kill Ratliff as just “the first of many such executions that will take place in order to silence individuals whom the government deems a threat to their oligarchical collectivist agenda.”

257 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:37:09am

re: #227 Lidane

What in the? We’re back to this dumbshittery now? This was supposed to be “Gun-Nut” week. Now this asshole has to start clogging the airwaves with his deranged misogyny.

Anybody who talks about rape in any way that’s not “Rape means no consent given” just needs to be taken out back for a severe beating. And anybody who tries to redefine rape in order to push their woman-hating fetus-fetish deserves to be set on fire.

(Apologies for promoting any violence and offending the pacifist crowd, but these fucking people are some of the most vile cretins in existence.)

258 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:37:52am

re: #250 kirkspencer

One of the things I used to offer, in an attempt to drum up business, was information literacy courses, most of which included the section: How to trust your internet sources. Unfortunately, everyone thinks they already know how to trust them. Kinda hard to drum up business with a tagline that amounts to “the customer is wrong.”

I don’t know about that. Isn’t that how consultants make their dough?

259 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:38:15am

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

My brother issues a set of guidelines to students every term regarding research and papers. Rules for how and what to cite, including format. And this includes a specific statement that most Internet sites and specifically Wikipedia will *not* be accepted as a primary reference.

260 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:38:53am

re: #256 jaunte

Just like clockwork.

Erik Rush: ‘The Obama Administration or One of Its Surrogates is Responsible for [Keith] Ratliff’s Death

I have no proof beyond my own inclination, but I suspect Erik Rush is a fucking pants-on-head homemade-chemtrail-sniffing nutter that sullies the name of decent and humble eriks around this great nation.

261 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:40:14am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

Yup. Same as me. Many students just don’t get it. And I get a lot of copypasta here in China.

262 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:40:37am

‘I have no proof beyond my own inclination’
is this month’s
‘not intended to be a factual statement.’

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:40:45am

re: #260 erik_t

I have no proof beyond my own inclination, but I suspect Erik Rush is a fucking pants-on-head homemade-chemtrail-sniffing nutter that sullies the name of decent and humble eriks around this great nation.

Erik Rush killled Raitliff so he could blame it on Obama. No proof, just a hunch…

264 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:41:33am

re: #256 jaunte

Just like clockwork.

Erik Rush: ‘The Obama Administration or One of Its Surrogates is Responsible for [Keith] Ratliff’s Death

Want my guess? He was with a friend that night and it was an accidental shooting. Right now it’s just a “suspected” murder.

265 Kaessa  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:41:38am

re: #256 jaunte

Just like clockwork.

Erik Rush: ‘The Obama Administration or One of Its Surrogates is Responsible for [Keith] Ratliff’s Death

I saw that one coming as soon as I heard the news. IT’S ALL A CONSPIRACY TO TAKE OUR GUNS!

266 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:42:59am

After midnight here. See you all later on.

267 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:43:27am
268 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:43:28am

re: #228 Gus 802

Another one.

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269 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:43:38am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

My brother issues a set of guidelines to students every term regarding research and papers. Rules for how and what to cite, including format. And this includes a specific statement that most Internet sites and specifically Wikipedia will *not* be accepted as a primary reference.

The funny thing is that wikipedia is actually a good first reference - as good as the Encyclopedia Britannica. This is especially true if you’ll check for the (almost always) obvious signs of manipulation in the history.

270 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:43:39am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP

This is some kind of new, possibly cold-fusion-powered projection.

271 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:44:06am

And in the “birdbrains of a feather flock together” category:

272 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:46:06am

re: #259 Feline Fearless Leader

My brother issues a set of guidelines to students every term regarding research and papers. Rules for how and what to cite, including format. And this includes a specific statement that most Internet sites and specifically Wikipedia will *not* be accepted as a primary reference.

Back when I was a teacher and encyclopedias were just starting to get popular on CD-ROM I’d get papers from students who obviously just printed direct from the CD - including (because of color ink-jet printers) bold blue words which were obviously links to other entries in the encyclopedia. My favorite was a paper by a true red-neck that had a few paragraphs about Dante’s circles of hell. When I asked him about it, he said, “Dante? Who the hell is he? I wrote that paper!”

I’m sure teachers today have even better examples.

273 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:46:07am

re: #237 wrenchwench

Tags at the top:

OMG, you stealthily made me upding Nine Inch Nails! Auuuugh!

274 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:46:17am

re: #258 wheat-dogghazi

I don’t know about that. Isn’t that how consultants make their dough?

That’s the conventional wisdom. Either I’m doing it wrong or conventional wisdom is wrong. Either, of course, is possible.

275 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:47:18am

re: #270 jaunte

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This is some kind of new, possibly cold-fusion-powered projection.

Projection at its finest, especially coming from the crowd that sounds like a newborn who just had their pacifier taken away while Mr. Teddy was run through a paper shredder because there’s a small but decent chance they won’t be able to buy an assault rifle next Christmas.

276 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:48:42am

re: #275 Ghost of Tom Joad

Or twenty a day until next Christmas.

277 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:49:20am

re: #244 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FREAKING CRAP

Who is ready for a real American to take the white house back? I am! Why wait 4 years?

That whole democracy/free election thing is so overrated.

278 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:50:17am

re: #273 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

Is that a Nine Inch Nails song?

You’re reorienting my reality! It’s painful!!!

279 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:51:23am

re: #277 BongCrodny

That whole democracy/free election thing is so overrated.

They’re taking away our freedoms!!! We need to counter this by overthrowing a democratically-elected government!!!

Irony, like the Magical-Balance Fairy, are way underpaid for the systematic abuse they take.

280 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:51:48am

*headdesk*

He’s a Marxist! And I Still Can’t Spell His Name!

Cathie Adams, president of the far-right Texas Eagle Forum, has had more than four years to learn how to spell the name of the president of the United States and still can’t. She still seems more interested in making sure people know that his middle name is Hussein and that she thinks he’s a dirty ol’ MARXIST.

Agenda 21! Marxism! The death of liberty! Eleventy!

281 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:52:21am

re: #256 jaunte

Just like clockwork.

Erik Rush: ‘The Obama Administration or One of Its Surrogates is Responsible for [Keith] Ratliff’s Death

He should get together with that professor from Florida who thinks the Newtown massacre was staged and see which one of them can out-nutball the other.

282 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:53:12am

I’m still stumped about how so many people think PBO is this massive lefty.

283 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:54:26am

re: #282 Gus

I’m still stumped about how so many people think PBO is this massive lefty.

He’s a Marxist! He’s a Communist! He’s a Kenyan! He HATES this country! He’s comin 2 take yrr gunz!1!ty

284 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:55:12am

re: #281 BongCrodny

He should get together with that professor from Florida who thinks the Newtown massacre was staged and see which one of them can out-nutball the other.

Just to preserve my own sanity, I believe that a lot of this deranged hysteria is really nothing more than the degenerates just trying to one-up each other. Yes, they’re racists/bigots/misogynists etc. and they hate Obama, but I find it difficult to believe these people actually believe some of the things they spew onto the keyboard. It seems to be a lot of hyperbole.

Sure, there’s genuine guanopsychotics, but they all can’t just be bugfuck crazy…..can they?

285 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:55:58am

re: #282 Gus

I’m still stumped about how so many people think PBO is this massive lefty.

Because they’re stupid. That’s why.

Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama is a far left hippie has never paid attention to anything the man says or does.

286 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:56:36am
287 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:57:32am

re: #280 Lidane

From that pdf doc:

“…His Obamacare policies, for example, are already wreaking havoc socially and economically. His idea of “social and economic justice” is to create death panels to make life and death decisions based not upon the fact that people are created in the image of God, but by what value those people have to an all-powerful State. Obama’s endeavor for “environmental justice” has also been an abysmal failure with at least a dozen solar companies filing bankruptcy after receiving millions of your tax dollars.
FREE Americans enjoying FREE markets have created the cleanest, healthiest* and most prosperous country in the world, but the constitutional republic that set the stage for those successes is in Obama’s crosshairs with his policies to implement “sustainable development.”

Death Panel zombie meme still shambling around in Texas.

*ORLY?

288 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:57:52am

re: #284 Ghost of Tom Joad

Just to preserve my own sanity, I believe that a lot of this deranged hysteria is really nothing more than the degenerates just trying to one-up each other. Yes, they’re racists/bigots/misogynists etc. and they hate Obama, but I find it difficult to believe these people actually believe some of the things they spew onto the keyboard. It seems to be a lot of hyperbole.

Sure, there’s genuine guanopsychotics, but they all can’t just be bugfuck crazy…..can they?

Yeah, exactly — we’ve already got two references in this thread to guys why have no proof as to the way they *believe* things unfolded, but are willing to share it with the rest of the world because they know the rest of their idiot kind will gladly tag along like a hungry dog.

289 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:58:10am

re: #282 Gus

I’m still stumped about how so many people think PBO is this massive lefty.

It’s because that there’s been a massive shift of the conservative/right-wing/Republican base further to the right. The sane ones who stayed behind who used to be extreme right-wingers are now considered centrists at best, and everybody else is an extreme lefty.

290 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:58:50am

re: #278 wrenchwench

Is that a Nine Inch Nails song?

You’re reorienting my reality! It’s painful!!!

Yep. Probably the most poignant, beautiful performance of Johnny Cash’s life was a cover of a song written by Trent Reznor.

291 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:01:04am

re: #285 Lidane

Because they’re stupid. That’s why.

Anyone who thinks that Barack Obama is a far left hippie has never paid attention to anything the man says or does.

Yeah, it was a rhetorical question on my part. I know this. Right now the real far-left is fuming about the recent cabinet announcements and totally oppose Chuck Hagel, Jack Lew, and John Brennan. Bernie Sanders, whom I don’t consider to be far-left, has already said he won’t be voting for Jack Lew.

292 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:02:56am

Defenders of freedom.

293 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:03:14am

re: #287 jaunte

From that pdf doc:

FREE Americans enjoying FREE markets have created the cleanest, healthiest and most prosperous country in the world

Riiiiiiiiiight.

294 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:03:17am

re: #275 Ghost of Tom Joad

Projection at its finest, especially coming from the crowd that sounds like a newborn who just had their pacifier taken away while Mr. Teddy was run through a paper shredder because there’s a small but decent chance they won’t be able to buy an assault rifle next Christmas.

Or, worse, that they won’t even be able to buy an assault rifle next Holiday Season’s Greetings Nojesus.

295 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:03:18am

Drones, Afghanistan, CIA renditions, GITMO, marijuana, Bradley Manning, Julian Assange, etc.

296 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:03:58am

DERP!

Brought to you by none other than Fox News.

Wyoming Considers Gun Protection Bill

The bill reads: “No public servant as defined in W.S. 6-5-101, or dealer selling any firearm in this state shall enforce or attempt to enforce any act, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government relating to a personal firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming.”

States Rights!

297 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:04:10am

re: #289 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s because that there’s been a massive shift of the conservative/right-wing/Republican base further to the right. The sane ones who stayed behind who used to be extreme right-wingers are now considered centrists at best, and everybody else is an extreme lefty.

And it’s been quite recent. I think that 9/11 and the subsequent Bush years drove a big wedge into that group. Hell, I know a lot of folks, including myself, as well as a good number of folks here, who probably would be considered modern/centrist Republicans in the 90s, but somewhere between 2001-2008 were…disgusted (not sure what other term for it) with the rightward shift, and now we’re probably considered lefty/hippie/Dems etc.

Disclaimer-I voted for Bush, twice (I know, I know, it’s like that one-night stand that always comes back to haunt you in some way).

298 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:05:55am

re: #297 Ghost of Tom Joad

And it’s been quite recent. I think that 9/11 and the subsequent Bush years drove a big wedge into that group. Hell, I know a lot of folks, including myself, as well as a good number of folks here, who probably would be considered modern/centrist Republicans in the 90s, but somewhere between 2001-2008 were…disgusted (not sure what other term for it) with the rightward shift, and now we’re probably considered lefty/hippie/Dems etc.

Disclaimer-I voted for Bush, twice (I know, I know, it’s like that one-night stand that always comes back to haunt you in some way).

HypnoBush //

299 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:06:20am
300 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:07:51am

re: #297 Ghost of Tom Joad

Disclaimer-I voted for Bush, twice (I know, I know, it’s like that one-night stand that always comes back to haunt you in some way).

“Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, more shame on you.” — John Eddie

301 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:08:24am

re: #297 Ghost of Tom Joad

And it’s been quite recent. I think that 9/11 and the subsequent Bush years drove a big wedge into that group. Hell, I know a lot of folks, including myself, as well as a good number of folks here, who probably would be considered modern/centrist Republicans in the 90s, but somewhere between 2001-2008 were…disgusted (not sure what other term for it) with the rightward shift, and now we’re probably considered lefty/hippie/Dems etc.

Disclaimer-I voted for Bush, twice (I know, I know, it’s like that one-night stand that always comes back to haunt you in some way).

I also voted for Bush in 2000. Just could not bring myself to vote for Gore/Liebermann, especially for the latter. Nothing to do with his religion, I just find him an obnoxious little twit.

But apropos Liebermann, he would have been McCain’s first pick in 2008 if he had been allowed his choice, but by then the Religious Right had a stranglehold on the party and they made it clear that Liebermann was unacceptable due to his religion.

302 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:09:18am

re: #300 BongCrodny

“Fool me once, shame on you.
Fool me twice, more shame on you.” — John Eddie

I thought it was
“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…fool…can’t fool me again..”

Something like that.

303 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:11:39am

re: #302 Ghost of Tom Joad

I thought it was
“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…fool…can’t fool me again..”

Something like that.

I’ve also been known to fall for a practical joke now and again. I supported Dean in 2004 and Edwards in 2008, so I’m not exactly Nostradamus when it comes to picking political candidates.

304 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:11:54am

re: #301 Sol Berdinowitz

I also voted for Bush in 2000. Just could not bring myself to vote for Gore/Liebermann, especially for the latter. Nothing to do with his religion, I just find him an obnoxious little twit.

But apropos Liebermann, he would have been McCain’s first pick in 2008 if he had been allowed his choice, but by then the Religious Right had a stranglehold on the party and they made it clear that Liebermann was unacceptable due to his religion.

It’s like two quarter-pound stools of alien space shit crashed into a toxic waste dumpster in Stamford, Connecticut, fucked, and out came their mutilated, blood-soaked carcass of a baby rat-child, Senator Joseph Lieberman.


Read more at [Link: wonkette.com…]

305 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:12:00am

re: #302 Ghost of Tom Joad

I thought it was
“Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice…fool…can’t fool me again..”

Something like that.

I think the 22nd Amendment imposed a two-fool limit…

306 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:12:00am
307 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:15:35am

Joseph Lieberman speaks!

308 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:16:07am

re: #290 goddamnedfrank

Yep. Probably the most poignant, beautiful performance of Johnny Cash’s life was a cover of a song written by Trent Reznor.

There are times when I find it hard to believe that two songs as good as “The Man Comes Around” and “Hurt” can be found on the same album.

309 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:16:07am

re: #190 Mattand

So I’m already having a shitty day, and I click over to Talking Points Memo and see this:

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

[snip]

Yep, and if all prisoners had guns I bet they wouldn’t be prisoners anymore either.

310 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:16:22am

re: #307 Gus

Joseph Lieberman speaks!

I’m sorry, Joe, I can’t hear you over this epic stale fart.

311 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:18:06am

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow hits Obama’s ‘Orwellian’ drone program (video)

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow is the latest member of prorgressive media to criticize President Obama’s drone program, calling it “the wholesale embrace of a secretive, psuedo-legal, deniable, Orwellian means of raining death from the sky all over the world, even in places where we’re not technically at war.”

“The fact that we know that these things are happening and that our government considers these things deniable is frankly one of the more Orwellian things about being an American in the 21st century,” Maddow said on her show last night.

…..
“Does President Obama appointing John Brennan to appoint the CIA mean that he does care about that critique from the left? Or is it the opposite?” she asked. “By promoting the architect of the drone program we’ve got now, is this a punch-the-hippie moment? Is this a sign that he is happy for drone warfare to be his legacy?”

312 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:19:14am

re: #296 Bubblehead II

DERP!

Brought to you by none other than Fox News.

Wyoming Considers Gun Protection Bill

The bill reads: “No public servant as defined in W.S. 6-5-101, or dealer selling any firearm in this state shall enforce or attempt to enforce any act, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government relating to a personal firearm, firearm accessory or ammunition that is owned or manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming.”

States Rights!

Brilliant. So you’re not allowed to regulate guns that stay in Wyoming.

Tell you what bud. You show me a gun that can’t be taken out of Wyoming, and I’ll back off with the regulations.

313 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:21:12am

Wow. Derpers think Obama wants to put himself on Mt. Rushmore. They think Rush belongs there.
[Link: twitter.com…]

314 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:24:02am

FUCKING ANALOGIES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

315 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:25:26am
316 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:25:58am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

FUCKING ANALOGIES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

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Getting really tired of all of these dumb analogies.

317 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:26:37am

re: #316 Gus

Getting really tired of all of these dumb analogies.

That one set some kind of Platinum standard for Derp.

318 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:26:50am

re: #314 Vicious Babushka

FUCKING ANALOGIES, HOW DO THEY WORK?

If my gun has a dead battery, can I call the NRA and get a jump?

319 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:27:05am

Today is getting weirder.

320 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:28:35am

When is the walled compound freakshow in Idaho opening up? I am in serious need of some point-and-laugh entertainment right now.

321 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:29:13am

re: #320 iossarian

When is the walled compound freakshow in Idaho opening up? I am in serious need of some point-and-laugh entertainment right now.

I’d be careful about pointing anything at those people, because they’ll point something else back and fire it.

322 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:29:58am

re: #319 wrenchwench

Today is getting weirder.

Just got an email from Michele Bachmann: “I need your advice.”// Really?

I hope Frum answered “retire.”

323 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:30:31am

re: #321 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’d be careful about pointing anything at those people, because they’ll point something else back and fire it.

Seriously, though, I want to see how long it takes these Galtian Overlords to decide that they need to club together and set up some kind of “postal service”.

324 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:33:01am

re: #322 BongCrodny

I hope Frum answered “retire.”

Corn, not Frum. She’s asking a Known Liberal for advice?

325 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:33:07am

re: #229 Jolo5309

I thought the most famous Washington quote was:

Hookers and ham sandwiches, so good you just can’t have one

See, I thought that was ol’ Ben Franklin.

326 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:33:13am

Embrace the GOP: It’s scientists’ fault for being too partisan

“To prevent science from continuing its worrying slide towards politicization, here’s a New Year’s resolution for scientists, especially in the United States: gain the confidence of people and politicians across the political spectrum by demonstrating that science is bipartisan.”

How can scientists do anything but reject a party that has rejected not only their findings, but science and reason itself?

327 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:33:58am

re: #326 Sol Berdinowitz

Embrace the GOP: It’s scientists’ fault for being too partisan

“To prevent science from continuing its worrying slide towards politicization, here’s a New Year’s resolution for scientists, especially in the United States: gain the confidence of people and politicians across the political spectrum by demonstrating that science is bipartisan.”

How can scientisty do anything but reject a party that has rejected not only their findings, but science and reason itself?

BIPARTISAN. IS NOT. FUCKING. NONPARTISAN.

THERE SHOULD BE NO PARTISAN IN FUCKING SCIENCE. ZERO. NONE. ZILCH. NADA.

328 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:34:07am

MOAR ANALOGY FAIL

329 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:34:26am

re: #326 Sol Berdinowitz

To be fair, they only reject the science and reason that they think will have bad policy implications.
/Poe’s law joke

330 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:35:07am

re: #328 Vicious Babushka

These people hate like it’s a full time job and they get triple for overtime.

331 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:35:46am

re: #329 jaunte

To be fair, they only reject the science and reason that they think will have bad policy implications.

Which is almost everything, from climate studies to evolotionary science to energy policy.

332 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:36:22am

re: #320 iossarian

When is the walled compound freakshow in Idaho opening up? I am in serious need of some point-and-laugh entertainment right now.

And what walled compound freak show are you talking about?

333 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:36:37am

re: #327 erik_t

BIPARTISAN. IS NOT. FUCKING. NONPARTISAN.

THERE SHOULD BE NO PARTISAN IN FUCKING SCIENCE. ZERO. NONE. ZILCH. NADA.

read the article…scientists are citizens, too. they have a right to defend their interests against a party that is undermining not only their findings, but the very field they work in

334 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #332 Bubblehead II

And what walled compound freak show are you talking about?

Read it and weep (or giggle, or whatever):

[Link: www.eclectablog.com…]

335 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:37:51am

Survivalist group, The Citadel, eyes North Idaho

The Citadel, which arose on the Internet, envisions a walled and armed community in the mountains.
The project would be a “martial endeavor designed to protect residents in times of peril” and “built as a fortified bastion of liberty,” according to the group’s website.

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]

336 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:38:11am

Paul Ryan Once Again Sponsors the Bill That Would Make It Possible for Women’s Rapists to Sue Them

In an unsurprising turn of events, Ryan has signed on as cosponsor to the Sanctity of Human Life Act again. The original bill — which declares that life begins with fertilization, and would give states the right to ban all abortion, even in the cases involving incest, rape, or the life of the mother — thankfully died in Congress in 2011.

But now it’s baaaaack, which is scary because not only is the above terrifying, there’s all sorts of other creepy shit hidden in this monster. Like, if a woman who was raped in a state that banned abortions went to a state that didn’t ban abortions and had an abortion? Her rapist could theoretically sue to stop the abortion from happening, and probably win. And it doesn’t stop there with the reproductive weirdness, if passed, it’ll probably make many forms of IVF illegal.

Bold and Serious. Laser-like focus on the economy.

337 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:39:03am

re: #333 Sol Berdinowitz

read the article…scientists are citizens, too. they have a right to defend their interests against a party that is undermining not only their findings, but the very field they work in

Scientists are whatever they want to be. More power to them.

If it’s partisan of any flavor, it’s making decisions and judgments based on outside biases, and it’s not science.

338 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:42:04am

re: #337 erik_t

Scientists are whatever they want to be. More power to them.

If it’s partisan of any flavor, it’s making decisions and judgments based on outside biases, and it’s not science.

Read the article. The point is that science tried to remain non-partisan until the GOP started attacking not just their findings, but the entire scientific method.

Now they are being chided for being too, well, partisan.

339 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:44:51am
340 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:46:41am

re: #336 The Ghost of a Flea

Paul Ryan Once Again Sponsors the Bill That Would Make It Possible for Women’s Rapists to Sue Them

Bold and Serious. Laser-like focus on the economy.

Zombie-eyed granny starver and misogynist. And the GOP’s “economic guru” and “young gun”.

341 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:47:08am

The Citadel blog:
[Link: iiicitadel.blogspot.com…]

Playland for gun nuts. Lots of pictures of European castles and a bronze Minuteman statue from Lexington, Mass.

342 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:47:23am

re: #332 Bubblehead II

And what walled compound freak show are you talking about?

Two (count ‘em), two showed up yesterday—the Citadel in your neck of the woods, and Glenn Beck’s Derpland. Both are in the early planning (send me your money) stage.

343 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:47:58am

re: #339 Gus

@danieldennett

His number of followers is rising with great speed.

344 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:48:08am

re: #336 The Ghost of a Flea

346 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:48:56am

re: #343 wrenchwench

His number of followers is rising with great speed.

We got our decree from Dawkins! :O

347 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:49:51am

re: #341 jaunte

The Citadel blog:
[Link: iiicitadel.blogspot.com…]

Playland for gun nuts. Lots of pictures of European castles and a bronze Minuteman statue from Lexington, Mass.

Citadel Features

III Arms Factory
Curtain Wall & Towers
Main Gate
John Parker Town Green
Town Hall
Community Armory
Citadel Firearms Museum
Farmer’s Market
Medical Center
Retirement Facility
Citadel Schools
Boarding School
Library
Tourist Visitor Center
Town Center - Retail/Commercial
Houses/Townhomes/Condos
Canals
Lake/Ponds
Firearms Ranges
Archery Range
Sports Fields
Hotel
III Bank
Churches
Power Plant
Underground Shelter
Post Office
Fire House
Stockade/Jail
Grounds Building
Biomass Plant
Walking Trails
Orchards/Gardens/Parks
Outdoor Pavilions
Large Amphitheatre
Command & Control Center
Media Center
Airstrip
Helipad
Shuttle System
Parking Center

Amenities!

348 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:50:24am

Heh. Stockade/Jail. Bet that will go over well with the state.

349 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:50:33am

re: #347 Gus

Just like Sim City!

350 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:50:33am

re: #334 iossarian

re: #335 jaunte

Great. Just what we need, more fucking idiots.

How in the hell did I miss this?

/Can we have our Aryan Nations group back now?

351 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:50:51am
352 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:51:09am

re: #347 Gus

Citadel Features

Amenities!

You didn’t list the al fresco cafeteria on Soylent Green.

353 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:51:58am
354 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:52:48am
355 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:52:56am

re: #347 Gus

They already have the wilderness walking trails. There’s one to check off the to-do list.

356 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:52:58am

re: #346 Gus

We got our decree from Dawkins! :O

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Actually, the number of followers varies, depending on whether you’re looking at his Tweets, Followers, or Following pages. But they’re all going up.

357 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:53:07am

re: #347 Gus

Citadel Features

Amenities!

Really looking forward to reports of the inaugural Citadel public spending budget committee meeting.

A partial transcript follows:

BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG

BANG

358 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:54:16am

re: #235 The Mountain That Blogs

Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD. OB/GYN

No I’m not a gynecologist, but yeah I’ll take a look.

359 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:54:56am

re: #292 jaunte

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Defenders of freedom.

It seems the lunatic right is having more problems with facts and data than normal these days. Global temperatures rising? CPI indicating low inflation? The polls showing Obama would win? Jobs being created quicker than anticipated? Well, the obvious solution is not to alter one’s worldview to accommodate those pesky facts, it’s to pretend the data is cooked.

Poor Danny Moynihan. People apparently are entitled to their own facts these days.

360 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:55:28am

re: #357 iossarian

Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

“I’m sorry, you only hit the target six times. Sadly, we must now expel you and your family’s economic contributions to our club.”

361 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:55:50am

re: #359 Ian G.

All data is cooked. Would you like yours bloody as hell, or burnt to a crisp? /

362 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:55:56am

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow hits Obama’s ‘Orwellian’ drone program

america must be a center-right country since we just re-elected a president with center-right policies

363 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:56:37am

re: #339 Gus

@danieldennett

Dennett’s book “Darwin’s Dangerous Idea” is the most intellectually stimulating book I have ever read.

364 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:59:37am

Hoo boy:

Three: Every able-bodied Patriot aged 13 and older governed by this Agreement shall annually demonstrate proficiency with a handgun of choice by hitting a man-sized steel target at 25 yards with open sights at the Citadel range. Each Resident shall have 10 shots and must hit the target at least 7 times.

Four: Every able-bodied Patriot of age within the Citadel will maintain one AR15 variant in 5.56mm NATO, at least 5 magazines and 1,000 rounds of ammunition. The responsibility for maintaining functional arms and ammunition levels for every member of the household shall fall to the head of household. Every able-bodied Patriot will be responsible for maintaining a Tactical Go Bag or Muster Kit to satisfy the Minuteman concept. Details TBD and posted elsewhere.

So, the requirements are that someone with a firearm must show proficiency on an annual basis? That’s so much beyond what current state/fed law requires.

Yet, if the state were to require annual proficiency registration, these same folks would go ballistic.

Can’t help but wonder where these folks would take their go-bag if they’ve already mustered to this far-flung corner of Idaho? You can’t get much more remote than that, except maybe by heading into Canada. /

365 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 9:59:41am

re: #363 Obdicut

Dennett’s book “Darwin’s Dangerous Idea” is the most intellectually stimulating book I have ever read.

That being said, I see no point to following him on twitter. He writes books. nice long ones. I can read those.

I prefer my twitter light:

366 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:00:32am

re: #190 Mattand

So I’m already having a shitty day, and I click over to Talking Points Memo and see this:

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

The amount of self-delusion and stupid it takes to say this with a straight face defies all rational thought.

To every conservative that posts here: seriously, people, this is the problem. Right here. Your party and movement are infested with these lunatics, and at best, you guys respond with a No True Republican defense.

This is why you guys lost the Presidency and two Senate seats.

What. The. Fuck.

And just when you think the GOP has hit rock bottom, they break out the heavy machinery and make a dash to the Earth’s mantle:

GOP Rep: Todd Akin ‘Partly Right’ On Legitimate Rape

Conservatives: I want you guys to think about this for a minute. Your party elected to national office an ob-gyn who doesn’t understand how female anatomy works, and tries to downplay rape.

This is why I don’t vote Republican any more. The fact that you guys keep repeatedly voting for people like Gingrey and Akin, often with large margins, makes me think you really just care about being in power, rather than managing the country.

To paraphrase Jon Stewart: You’re hurting the country. Please stop.

367 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:02:27am

re: #364 lawhawk

a man-sized steel target at 25 yards

Ballistics gel torso filled with fake blood and organs or GTFO.

If you’re going to convince yourself that you can kill another man, then see what you’ll do to them. Shooting at steel targets? Pfft.

368 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:03:00am

Another fake quote

369 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:03:39am

re: #364 lawhawk

Hoo boy:

So, the requirements are that someone with a firearm must show proficiency on an annual basis? That’s so much beyond what current state/fed law requires.

Yet, if the state were to require annual proficiency registration, these same folks would go ballistic.

Can’t help but wonder where these folks would take their go-bag if they’ve already mustered to this far-flung corner of Idaho? You can’t get much more remote than that, except maybe by heading into Canada. /

They take them down Ruby Ridge street and assemble at David Koresh Junior High for the Last Stand.

370 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:03:51am

re: #269 kirkspencer

The funny thing is that wikipedia is actually a good first reference - as good as the Encyclopedia Britannica. This is especially true if you’ll check for the (almost always) obvious signs of manipulation in the history.

I’d say Wikipedia is a potential starting point for a student - in order to find the primary references the Wikipedia article is based on. And those should be referenced in the article.

And since he is teaching geosciences the odds are that those references are what the student should be citing, and also know how to find and read them.

371 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:05:15am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

A really stupid one, too, because it is claiming the only purpose of bearing arms is resisting the government’s attempts to disarm you, which is way circular, dude.

372 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #368 Vicious Babushka

So fucking obvious. “Until ‘they’ try to take it”? Really?

HAVE A BRAIN MOARNS!!!

373 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:05:44am
374 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:06:24am
375 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:06:44am

re: #372 iossarian

So fucking obvious. “Until ‘they’ try to take it”? Really?

HAVE A BRAIN MOARNS!!!

SEE! HE KNEW THAT SOMEDAY A KENYAN IMPOSTER WOULD USURP THE WHITE HOUSE!1!

376 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:09:03am

re: #292 jaunte

Fox News: it only appears to be getting warmer, send scientists to jail till they stop saying so mediamatters.org/blog/2013/01/1… #allinyourmind

— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) January 11, 2013


Defenders of freedom.

Nobody expects the Fox Inquisition.

377 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:10:19am

I’m just hoping that, as the loony right scours websites looking for quotes by Jefferson that support their views on guns, they’re coming across his many quotes skeptical of religion and his desire to build up that “wall of separation” between church and state in this country.

378 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:10:37am

re: #371 Obdicut

A really stupid one, too, because it is claiming the only purpose of bearing arms is resisting the government’s attempts to disarm you, which is way circular, dude.

I had some moron on a friend’s FB page try to make that same argument, that the availability of guns was so that citizens were at the same level of firepower as the government in case the government tried to take their guns.

I had to point out that until civilians have access to drones, nukes, aircraft carriers, fighter planes, and the entire US military and its resources, citizens will never be at the same level of firepower as the government. He didn’t have an answer for that.

379 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:11:04am

For those who were hoping to see a possible dream matchup of politics, style, and issues in New Jersey, you’re going to have to wait. Instead of running against Gov. Chris Christie, Newark Mayor Cory Booker has filed to run for the US Senate seat currently held by Frank Lautenberg. It’s not clear whether Lautenberg will run again or whether another NJ Democrat, Frank Pallone, will consider a run against Booker in the primary.

I think this is a good career move for Booker, though I would have loved to see the Booker-Christie matchup. There’s genuine respect there, and that could actually help in the long run if Booker wins the Senate race.

380 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:11:38am

The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will Not be Needed until they try to take it

brought to you by the same group of people who begged the government to take away their 4th amendment rights to privacy in their personal communications and records

sorry, the freedom you gave away ain’t a gonna be won back by a bunch of morons with assault rifles getting mowed down by tanks and assault helicopters

381 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:12:34am

re: #312 iossarian

Brilliant. So you’re not allowed to regulate guns that stay in Wyoming.

Tell you what bud. You show me a gun that can’t be taken out of Wyoming, and I’ll back off with the regulations.

They’ll just pass a Fugitive Gun Law for chasing after the escapees and expect the other states to enforce that for them.

382 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:12:53am

re: #380 engineer cat

The beauty of the 2nd Amendment is that it will Not be Needed until they try to take it

brought to you by the same group of people who begged the government to take away their 4th amendment rights to privacy in their personal communications and records

sorry, the freedom you gave away ain’t a gonna be won back by a bunch of morons with assault rifles getting mowed down by tanks and assault helicopters

Don’t forget they’ll be holed up in a spiffy walled compound, with orchards and everything!

383 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:13:35am

re: #378 Lidane

until civilians have access to drones, nukes, aircraft carriers, fighter planes, and the entire US military and its resources, citizens will never be at the same level of firepower as the government. He didn’t have an answer for that.

LEFTIST!!!

384 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:14:21am

re: #376 Eventual Carrion

Nobody expects the Fox Inquisition.

Fear, stupidity, and ignorance are two… no, THREE! Three of our chief weapons!

385 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:14:49am

re: #381 Feline Fearless Leader

They’ll just pass a Fugitive Gun Law for chasing after the escapees and expect the other states to enforce that for them.

Fine, then the federal government will be empowered to surround Wyoming with a fence and install metal detectors at tall the gates.

386 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:16:32am

Hasta la vista baby.
— Thomas Jefferson

//

387 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:16:41am

re: #382 iossarian

Don’t forget they’ll be holed up in a spiffy walled compound, with orchards and everything!

why don’t they have comic books already narrating their fantasy of defending themselves against hordes of angry brown and black people who have lost their food stamps when the massive inflation comes and the gummint runs outta welfare money

i want to see the scenes where they try to figure out what to do with all the gold they bought

388 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:16:48am

re: #382 iossarian

Don’t forget they’ll be holed up in a spiffy walled compound, with orchards and everything!

They’re going to need a few more billionaires.

389 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:17:36am

“Twitter is the biggest bunch of morons in the universe.”—Thomas Jefferson.

390 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:17:41am

We are not only related to monkeys, we are related to rocks.

I can’t embed it from here, I can only link it.

391 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:17:55am

re: #387 engineer cat

why don’t they have comic books already narrating their fantasy of defending themselves against hordes of angry brown and black people who have lost their food stamps when the massive inflation comes and the gummint runs outta welfare money

i want to see the scenes where they try to figure out what to do with all the gold they bought

Odds are that Jack Chick has already covered that.
//

392 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:18:13am

Conservative; libertarian; Thomas Jefferson fan. If you are after some good old conservative sense check out…

Apparently, Thomas Jefferson fans are not interested in facts.

393 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:18:42am

re: #386 Gus

“Yippee-Ki-Yay, Molester of Mothers.”
— Andrew Jackson

394 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:19:55am

re: #393 jaunte

“Yippee-Ki-Yay, Molester of Mothers.”
— Andrew Jackson

Go ahead, make my day.
— John Adams

395 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:20:36am

re: #335 jaunte

Survivalist group, The Citadel, eyes North Idaho

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]

Heavily armed religious radicals living in the mountains. Where have I heard of people like that before?

[scratches beard]

396 wilburs  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:20:55am

re: #392 Gus

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Apparently, Thomas Jefferson fans are not interested in facts.

When I get these “Jefferson” quotes thrown at me I always ask

So, how many people did Jefferson shoot?

Never get an answer

397 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:20:57am

re: #392 Gus

[Embedded content]

Apparently, Thomas Jefferson fans are not interested in facts.

Aww butthurt baby, @ChristiChat blocked everyone who pointed out this was a FAKE QUOTE.

398 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:21:04am

Luke, I am your father. /Thomas Jefferson

399 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:21:26am

re: #378 Lidane

I had some moron on a friend’s FB page try to make that same argument, that the availability of guns was so that citizens were at the same level of firepower as the government in case the government tried to take their guns.

I had to point out that until civilians have access to drones, nukes, aircraft carriers, fighter planes, and the entire US military and its resources, citizens will never be at the same level of firepower as the government. He didn’t have an answer for that.

They are working hard on one, believe me. It probably involves Hitler and Benghazi.

400 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:21:40am

I have 99 problems, but a non-consenting slave mistress isn’t one.

Thomas Jefferson.

401 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:21:47am

re: #390 wrenchwench

We are not only related to monkeys, we are related to rocks.

I can’t embed it from here, I can only link it.

Can’t view that due to being a work, but seeing Neil Shubin’s name on there I presume this is going to somehow reference back to Tiktaalik. And I can somehow see the trail of stupidity somehow trying to claim that since that is a fossil we’re related to rocks. Much as we’re related to moldering dead things since that’s their current condition. :p

But since it’s Colbert I’m sure he’s just doing his schtick that veers so close to actual nutjob talking points you cannot tell the difference.

402 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:21:54am

re: #394 Gus

“I’ll Be Back.”
— James Monroe, after re-election.

403 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:22:28am

re: #397 Vicious Babushka

Aww butthurt baby, @ChristiChat blocked everyone who pointed out this was a FAKE QUOTE.

#TGDN SPAM BLOCK —> @viciousbabushka NOW! RT!!11TY

//

404 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:23:07am

re: #402 jaunte

“I’ll Be Back.”
— James Monroe, after re-election.

A wed wose. How womantic.
— Martha Washington

405 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:23:36am

re: #400 The Ghost of a Flea

I have 99 problems, but a non-consenting slave mistress isn’t one.

Thomas Jefferson.

That sound? It’s just the Internet shattering into a billion glittering fragments.

406 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:23:47am

The Citadel, which arose on the Internet, envisions a walled and armed community in the mountains.

The project would be a “martial endeavor designed to protect residents in times of peril” and “built as a fortified bastion of liberty,” according to the group’s website.

Members already created at least one Idaho company to make firearms and employ residents, but the fate of the project is uncertain, one member said in an email to the Idaho Statesman. It isn’t clear yet whether it would even be built in Idaho.

“Currently we are a loose collection of several hundred people with a germ of an idea,” the representative wrote in response to an interview request.

The plan is to build a community with a fortified castle and firearms museum in addition to typical city features like a bank, jail and library. The complex would have 3,500 to 7,000 families living on about 2,000 to 3,000 acres in Benewah County south of Coeur d’Alene, according to the website.

The group picked Benewah County because of its sparse population and “shared world-view” of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism, the website said.

please proceed

407 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:23:51am

Strike me down, and I shall become more powerful than ever.

Abraham Lincoln

408 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:24:41am

re: #403 Gus

#TGDN SPAM BLOCK —> @viciousbabushka NOW! RT!!11TY

//

LaLaLaLaLa canthearyou LaLaLaLaLa.

This has been a test of the TGDN warning system. If this had been a real event of actual facts being Twittered to us this warning would have been followed by a large scale derp dump of denial, lies, and logical fallacies.
////

409 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:24:48am

Mongo only pawn in game of life.
— Benjamin Franklin

410 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:09am

Patrolling - they try to catch me riding dirty.

— Paul Revere

411 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:26am

“Hessians! Tonight We Dine In….. Trenton!!!”
— George Washington

412 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:38am

Where the white women at?
—Malcolm X

413 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:43am

“Come at me, bro”

—-Aaron Burr, 1804

414 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:45am

IS JAMES K POLK GOING TO HAVE TO CHOKE A BITCH?

415 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:25:57am

re: #406 engineer cat

The Citadel, which arose on the Internet, envisions a walled and armed community in the mountains.

The project would be a “martial endeavor designed to protect residents in times of peril” and “built as a fortified bastion of liberty,” according to the group’s website.

Members already created at least one Idaho company to make firearms and employ residents, but the fate of the project is uncertain, one member said in an email to the Idaho Statesman. It isn’t clear yet whether it would even be built in Idaho.

“Currently we are a loose collection of several hundred people with a germ of an idea,” the representative wrote in response to an interview request.

The plan is to build a community with a fortified castle and firearms museum in addition to typical city features like a bank, jail and library. The complex would have 3,500 to 7,000 families living on about 2,000 to 3,000 acres in Benewah County south of Coeur d’Alene, according to the website.

The group picked Benewah County because of its sparse population and “shared world-view” of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism, the website said.

please proceed

Why do they need a jail if they have a ‘“shared world-view” of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism’?

416 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:26:58am

re: #397 Vicious Babushka

Aww butthurt baby, @ChristiChat blocked everyone who pointed out this was a FAKE QUOTE.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:27:00am

re: #406 engineer cat

Don’t mention to them that the Bastille was originally a castle/fortress.

418 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:27:07am

re: #401 Feline Fearless Leader

Can’t view that due to being a work, but seeing Neil Shubin’s name on there I presume this is going to somehow reference back to Tiktaalik. And I can somehow see the trail of stupidity somehow trying to claim that since that is a fossil we’re related to rocks. Much as we’re related to moldering dead things since that’s their current condition. :p

But since it’s Colbert I’m sure he’s just doing his schtick that veers so close to actual nutjob talking points you cannot tell the difference.

No, more like “We are stardust”. Everything in the universe is related because it’s all the same chemistry. My brother the evolutionary biologist who went to U. Chicago posted it on Facebook.

419 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:27:24am
420 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:03am

Oops. Refresh page. Anyway. Here’s the other one.

421 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:07am

I shall return / I’ll be back - /Grover Cleveland

422 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:10am

re: #415 efuseakay

Why do they need a jail if they have a ‘“shared world-view” of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism’?

the whole thing sounds like a giant jail

423 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:28am

re: #418 wrenchwench

No, more like “We are stardust”. Everything in the universe is related because it’s all the same chemistry. My brother the evolutionary biologist who went to U. Chicago posted it on Facebook.

Ah, like the xkcd cartoon on the universe’s ingredient list:
Hydrogen, Time.

424 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:30am

Yesterday… All my troubles seemed so far away…

— ChristiCat

425 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:54am

re: #416 Gus

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Hey, I accomplished something today.

426 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:28:57am

re: #406 engineer cat

Bank, jail, library, firearms museum, that’s pretty much what you need in a town.

Do they keep the bullets in the bank or in the library?

427 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:29:19am

re: #397 Vicious Babushka

Aww butthurt baby, @ChristiChat blocked everyone who pointed out this was a FAKE QUOTE.

Here’s what I sent her:

428 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:29:29am

re: #422 engineer cat

the whole thing sounds like a giant jail

Or, alternatively, a giant fail.

That works too.

429 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:30:23am

re: #427 jaunte

Here’s what I sent her:

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Yeah, I think Christi’s going to have so much blockage on her Twitter account that it’ll need a triple bypass.

430 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:30:58am

re: #428 iossarian

Or, alternatively, a giant fail.

That works too.

Oh, you have to bet somewhere in the web and “we need donations” chain someone is grifting.

431 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:31:00am
432 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:31:13am

Original quote:

“The Beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to repeal the 22nd Amendment”

433 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:31:26am

re: #369 Decatur Deb

They take them down Ruby Ridge street and assemble at David Koresh Junior High for the Last Stand.

And gather all the young children in the Timothy McVeigh daycare center.

434 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:31:54am

Well, I’m a mushroom-cloud-layin’ motherfucker, motherfucker!

— Harry S. Truman

435 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:31:55am

re: #431 Gus

Gun-free zone:

436 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:32:45am

re: #432 Sol Berdinowitz

Original quote:

“The Beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to repeal the 22nd Amendment”

“…also, black kids with hoodies….”

437 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:32:58am

re: #430 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, you have to bet somewhere in the web and “we need donations” chain someone is grifting.

I see two images in my scrying dish - visions from 2014:

- a muddy scrap of land on top of a hill in the middle of Idaho, with some confused-looking families unloading their belongings out of pickup trucks

- a newly-built McMansion in the Boise suburbs with some gleaming Cadillacs out front

438 allegro  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:33:29am

re: #406 engineer cat

The plan is to build a community with a fortified castle and firearms museum in addition to typical city features like a bank, jail and library. The complex would have 3,500 to 7,000 families living on about 2,000 to 3,000 acres in Benewah County south of Coeur d’Alene, according to the website.

I notice that in all of their descriptions there are no plans for food production, water resources, clothing materials, etc. 3,000 acres for 7,000 people sure isn’t gonna cut it. Are they planning on trucking that stuff in and out? If they are under siege, what good are their guns if their Piggly Wiggly is out of Cheerios?

439 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:33:55am

LOL people! Its a good day at LGF!

440 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:34:46am

re: #438 allegro

I notice that in all of their descriptions there are no plans for food production, water resources, clothing materials, etc. 3,000 acres for 7,000 people sure isn’t gonna cut it. Are they planning on trucking that stuff in and out? If they are under siege, what good are their guns if their Piggly Wiggly is out of Cheerios?

…and that’s the detail that makes Citadel less of a actual plan and more of a setting for a Bioshock module.

441 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:35:34am

You calling me on a cell phone? I don’t know you. Prank caller. Prank caller. Prank caller. /Richard M. Nixon

442 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:35:37am

re: #438 allegro

I notice that in all of their descriptions there are no plans for food production, water resources, clothing materials, etc. 3,000 acres for 7,000 people sure isn’t gonna cut it. Are they planning on trucking that stuff in and out? If they are under siege, what good are their guns if their Piggly Wiggly is out of Cheerios?

The Popular Front for the Liberation of Real American will airdrop them Cheetos and Mountain Dew.
/

443 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:36:18am

re: #438 allegro

I notice that in all of their descriptions there are no plans for food production, water resources, clothing materials, etc. 3,000 acres for 7,000 people sure isn’t gonna cut it. Are they planning on trucking that stuff in and out? If they are under siege, what good are their guns if their Piggly Wiggly is out of Cheerios?

None of the “preppers” ever seem to think of this, do they? They’ll live off of the end products of industrial civilization, like cans of Spaghetti-Os and AR-15s, without considering what happens if industrial civilization collapses, even though that’s what they’re allegedly prepping for.

The hippies who grow their own food on little organic plots of land are much more “prepared” than these numbskulls.

444 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:37:28am

re: #438 allegro

I notice that in all of their descriptions there are no plans for food production, water resources, clothing materials, etc. 3,000 acres for 7,000 people sure isn’t gonna cut it. Are they planning on trucking that stuff in and out? If they are under siege, what good are their guns if their Piggly Wiggly is out of Cheerios?

I assume that they will take a leaf from their Mormon neighbors and have at least a year’s worth food (and three years’ supply of ammo) stockpiled underground in radiation and chemical/biological weapon-safe storage vaults.

445 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:37:50am
446 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:37:52am

“I have strong feelings about gun control. If there’s a gun around, I want to be controlling it.”

-James Madison, author of the 2nd Amendment

447 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:38:18am

re: #444 Sol Berdinowitz

I assume that they will take a leaf from their Mormon neighbors and have at least a year’s worth food (and three years’ supply of ammo) stockpiled underground in radiation and chemical/biological-safe storage vaults.

And then forget about sanitation, disbelieve Germ Theory, and meet Mr Cholera.
//

448 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:38:23am

re: #443 Ian G.

None of the “preppers” ever seem to think of this, do they? They’ll live off of the end products of industrial civilization, like cans of Spaghetti-Os and AR-15s, without considering what happens if industrial civilization collapses, even though that’s what they’re allegedly prepping for.

The hippies who grow their own food on little organic plots of land are much more “prepared” than these numbskulls.

To be fair to the lunatics, I think the idea is that there is farmland outside the walled compound. Obviously that doesn’t answer the question of a long-term siege, but it does mean that they might last for a couple of years if everyone leaves them alone and there are no major disease outbreaks.

449 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:39:01am

“You know who else is going to want gun control?”
— Andrew Jackson

450 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:39:02am

Here are my three:

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and a seeeeroius last one:


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451 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:39:38am

Happiness is a warm gun - bang bang, shoot shoot.

— John Lennon

(You can never trump real life when it comes to irony.)

452 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:40:37am

Ted Nugent is a wimp.

- Theodore Roosevelt

453 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:41:49am

re: #422 engineer cat

the whole thing sounds like a giant jail

It should be treated like a leper colony. Let’s hope they never come out.

454 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:41:54am

re: #444 Sol Berdinowitz

I assume that they will take a leaf from their Mormon neighbors and have at least a year’s worth food (and three years’ supply of ammo) stockpiled underground in radiation and chemical/biological weapon-safe storage vaults.

The food requirement is in the ‘agreement’.

455 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:42:10am

Cut the crap, man, this is Shaft.
- Andrew Jackson

456 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:42:31am

re: #451 iossarian

Happiness is a warm gun - bang bang, shoot shoot.

— John Lennon

(You can never trump real life death when it comes to irony.)

FTFHim

457 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:42:48am

re: #450 Obdicut

You should post that last one surreptitiously on Twitter and see how many crazy people repost it.

458 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:43:23am

You gotta fight for your right to party.

Thomas Jefferson

459 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:43:59am

“Please proceed.”
—Pres Badass Hussein Obama

460 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:44:00am

I didn’t come from no monkey.
— Charles Darwin

461 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:44:58am

re: #458 The Ghost of a Flea

You gotta fight for your right to party.

Thomas Jefferson

You should reword that one in more archaic terms and let it loose.

462 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:45:57am

re: #383 jaunte

Close enough. The best he could do was tell me that my “complacency” about guns (i.e., I wasn’t paranoid and freaked out like he was) was somehow going to lead to a rebirth of the same types of internment camps we put Japanese-Americans in during WW2.

I told him not to insult my intelligence with that garbage and to STFU because it was insulting to the memories of the people who died in those camps. Asshole.

463 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:46:02am

re: #443 Ian G.

None of the “preppers” ever seem to think of this, do they? They’ll live off of the end products of industrial civilization, like cans of Spaghetti-Os and AR-15s, without considering what happens if industrial civilization collapses, even though that’s what they’re allegedly prepping for.

The hippies who grow their own food on little organic plots of land are much more “prepared” than these numbskulls.

They think they’re the original settlers of America coming from a foreign land. “Wow, it’s really cold this winter and we ain’t got shit to eat. Let’s steal it from the Indians and then kill them for being on our land.”

Eventually they’ll send out bands of roving marauders to “appropriate” food and supplies from the civilized world.

Christ in a jacuzzi somebody just get these people a computer and a copy of Fallout 3.

464 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:46:07am

re: #452 Feline Fearless Leader

Given that Teddy volunteered to attack a fortified hill in Cuba during the Spanish-American War, while Nugent dodged the draft, I’d have no doubt that Teddy would feel that way if he were still around.

One of my favorite photos of all time, Teddy and John Muir after hiking to Glacier Point in Yosemite: Link

None of these preppers or gun nuts would last a day living like Teddy or Muir did.

465 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:46:13am

“I don’t always buy guns, but when I do, I prefer Bushmaster”

-Mother Teresa

466 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:46:33am

I’m sexy and I know it. /John F. Kennedy

And this one in confirming the aforementioned JFK quote

- He’s sexy and he knows it /Marilyn Monroe

467 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:47:15am

re: #457 dragonath

I did this instead, for the cheapness.

468 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:47:43am

re: #461 Feline Fearless Leader

You should reword that one in more archaic terms and let it loose.

“It is vitally important that men be at any time prepared to fight and defend that which they hold so dear whether spiritual or material.”

469 darthstar  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:47:47am

I like Karzai’s hat.

470 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:48:12am

re: #462 Lidane

Close enough. The best he could do was tell me that my “complacency” about guns (i.e., I wasn’t paranoid and freaked out like he was) was somehow going to lead to a rebirth of the same types of internment camps we put Japanese-Americans in during WW2.

Ask him to consider how that would have gone if it was a fight between the Army and a few armed civilians.

471 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:48:34am

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
— Franklin Delano Roosevelt

472 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:48:51am

I’m a devil on the run
A six gun lover
A candle in the wind

— Aristotle

473 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:48:56am

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Instead, cap that motherfucker with your glock.”

Matthew 26:52, New NRA International version.

474 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:49:25am

“My precious.”
— Wayne LaPierre

475 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:49:53am

Baby we were born to run.
— Socrates

476 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:50:07am

You talking to me? I don’t see anyone else here, so you must be talking to me?

—- Saint Simeon Stylites

477 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:50:26am

re: #473 Ian G.

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Instead, cap that motherfucker with your glock.”

Matthew 26:52, New NRA International version.

“Never take a gladius to a ballista fight.”
—Vercingetorix

478 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:50:55am

re: #467 Obdicut

I did this instead, for the cheapness.

[Embedded content]

#TGDN SPAM BLOCK —> @TamOBedlam NOW! RT!!11TY

479 blueraven  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:50:57am

re: #469 darthstar

I like Karzai’s hat.

He is a snappy dresser.

480 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:50:58am

re: #473 Ian G.

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. Instead, cap that motherfucker with your glock.”

Matthew 26:52, New NRA International version.

Heh, D.L. Hughley did a skit like this, something to the effect of;

“C’mere Jesus, hideth this under your robe. When you speak to the Pharaoh, tell him “let my people go, or I’ll pop a cap in yo ass. It’s from the Book of Smith & Wesson, Chapter 357.”

481 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:52:18am

re: #416 Gus

Seriously? A single, harmless tweet pointing out that it’s a fake quote gets people blocked?

What a bunch of whiny drama queens.

482 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:52:52am

re: #415 efuseakay

Why do they need a jail if they have a ‘“shared world-view” of independence, self-sufficiency and patriotism’?

If the wimmin start getting uppity.

// half

483 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:52:57am

re: #464 Ian G.

“I see a paper mill and a mining operation, a green belt between lakeside condos and a waste management facility focusing on the newest rage in waste - medical refuse. Infected bandages, body parts, tubing, syringes, fluid, blood, radioactive waste - all contained, sunken in the lake and sealed for centuries. I ask you, what do you see?”

-John Muir

484 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:53:17am

re: #481 Lidane

They’re allergic to facts, logic, or rationality.

485 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:53:19am

re: #478 Gus

#TGDN SPAM BLOCK —> @TamOBedlam NOW! RT!!11TY

CONFIRMATION BIAS BREACH IN SECTOR 79!!!

486 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:53:59am

Where the hell did all these illegal immigrants come from?!?!

General George Custer.

487 iossarian  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:54:02am

Lazy, lazy iossarian:

[Link: pinterest.com…]

Most of these are shit, but I quite like:

Halt - it is once again the moment of the mallet.

They attempted to force me into rehabilitation - quoth I, “Nay, nay, nay.”

The Milkshake one.

etc.

488 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:54:08am

re: #481 Lidane

Seriously? A single, harmless tweet pointing out that it’s a fake quote gets people blocked?

What a bunch of whiny drama queens.

Balloon, meet porcupine.

489 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:55:03am

re: #351 Gus

[Link: iiicitadel.com…]

A 1200 sq ft house on an acre inside the walls, with an Emergency micro-suite inside the walls and a 450 sq ft workshop for only 1044/month!

Sign me up, my current house is 1200 sq ft with 1/3rd acre and my mortgage is 200/month more!

490 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:55:11am

re: #481 Lidane

Seriously? A single, harmless tweet pointing out that it’s a fake quote gets people blocked?

What a bunch of whiny drama queens.

Pretty much. She deleted that Tweet. Still had the bogus quote up though.

491 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:56:54am

biab

492 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:57:02am

re: #489 Jolo5309

A 1200 sq ft house on an acre inside the walls, with an Emergency micro-suite inside the walls and a 450 sq ft workshop for only 1044/month!

Sign me up, my current house is 1200 sq ft with 1/3rd acre and my mortgage is 200/month more!

It’s more expensive if the house has, you know, walls.

493 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:57:23am

“…And SB127 doesn’t just require local consent; it also requires the State of Indiana to prosecute a federal official who acted without that local consent. Just picture, if you will, what our society would look like if states like Indiana start prosecuting FBI agents for their attempts to enforce federal laws. We would suddenly have a system where there would no longer be a national standard; there wouldn’t even be state standards. Rather, each county, throughout the country, would be a jurisdiction unto itself. I can just see some “whites only” or “no Muslims allowed” counties. Maybe counties where gays can be tied to fence posts after being beaten would be OK. Perhaps efforts to ensure that all people are allowed to vote wouldn’t be permitted in some counties. If that’s your view of America, perhaps you should find a more accommodating Banana Republic in which to reside.”

494 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 10:59:14am

re: #486 Ghost of Tom Joad

Where the hell did all these illegal immigrants come from?!?!

General George Custer.

Where the hell did all these illegal immigrants come from?!?!

-Crazy Horse

495 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:01:40am

re: #494 The Ghost of a Flea

Touche, lol, touche.

496 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:02:15am

re: #494 The Ghost of a Flea

Crazy Horse?

“No, no, zayt nisht meshuge!”

497 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:04:43am

re: #490 Gus

So after sending that single Tweet and a single RT, I now see this:

Twitter indicates that you’re not allowed to make this request due to daily update limit.

What a bunch of whiny bitches. Teenage girls are more mature.

498 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:14:00am

re: #496 dragonath

Crazy Horse?

“No, no, zayt nisht meshuge!”

Hostu gezehn in dein leben? Zay zenen tunkler fun uns!

499 gwangung  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:14:30am

re: #462 Lidane

Close enough. The best he could do was tell me that my “complacency” about guns (i.e., I wasn’t paranoid and freaked out like he was) was somehow going to lead to a rebirth of the same types of internment camps we put Japanese-Americans in during WW2.

That is damn patronizing and a total insult to the people who had to live through the camps.

Of course, if he’s really down the with the comparison, you should call him a traitor, inherently disloyal to America and subhuman.

500 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:14:44am
501 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:16:13am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

Who wants to Tweet this?

Feeling a bit of the Twitter Gulag, are we?

502 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:23:04am

re: #500 Vicious Babushka

If I’m not me, who the hell am I / Thomas Jefferson

503 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 11:24:57am

re: #494 The Ghost of a Flea

Don’t fence me in.

/variously attributed to Geronimo, Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull. Originally uttered by Cochise

504 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:16:59pm

re: #272 darthstar

Back when I was a teacher and encyclopedias were just starting to get popular on CD-ROM I’d get papers from students who obviously just printed direct from the CD - including (because of color ink-jet printers) bold blue words which were obviously links to other entries in the encyclopedia. My favorite was a paper by a true red-neck that had a few paragraphs about Dante’s circles of hell. When I asked him about it, he said, “Dante? Who the hell is he? I wrote that paper!”

I’m sure teachers today have even better examples.

One I got just this term was an introductory paragraph lifted from Wikipedia, complete with the disambiguation disclaimers at the beginning.


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