Here’s something Ted Nugent and Rosa Parks have in common: neither has written a good song in the last 30 years. #RIPTedNugent

— Rob Tannenbaum (@tannenbaumr) January 11, 2013

re: #1 Shvaughn

Ted Nugent has found a new niche as a right winger trolling the media with outrageous comments. The old niche of exploiting the dumb head-banging male rock audience dried up.

Actually, he’s probably still appealing to the same dumb audience, just older. These days they’re watching Fox News instead of sitting with their heads 6 inches from a stack of roaring Marshall amps.

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Ted Nugent has found a new niche as a right winger trolling the media with outrageous comments. The old niche of exploiting the dumb head-banging male rock audience dried up.

Actually, he’s probably still appealing to the same dumb audience, just older. These days they’re watching Fox News instead of sitting with their heads 6 inches from a stack of roaring Marshall amps.

Sitting 6 inches from a stack of roaring amps (with the volume set to 11) sounds like excellent training for appreciating the finer point of Fox News discourse.

re: #3 EPR-radar

Sitting 6 inches from a stack of roaring amps (with the volume set to 11) sounds like excellent training for appreciating the finer point of Fox News discourse.

The kids who stayed cool were listening to Phil Ochs, acoustic.

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

Evening, all! Happy end to the penultimate day of the work week. Hope the Lizardii are doing well.

Oh, and that two to three inches of rain we had the other day? Didn’t do squat for our reservoir levels.

re: #5 austin_blue

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

Evening, all! Happy end to the penultimate day of the work week. Hope the Lizardii are doing well.

Oh, and that two to three inches of rain we had the other day? Didn’t do squat for our reservoir levels.

The ground ate it all up?

re: #5 austin_blue

Cool! Quite the crew they had working the lights.

I’ll bet it’s a whole lot of individual shots stitched together in Adobe After Effects.

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I’ll bet it’s a whole lot of individual shots stitched together in Adobe After Effects.

I don’t know. If you take a look at pedestrians on the street, especially when the cam is on the second building, they are moving smoothly (but *really* fast), not popping in and out.

Which makes it even better. That kind of coordination is like conducting a symphony. It’s a killer bee performance.

THE DAILY DERP
What movie was this? CLUE: IT WAS A MOVIE

GunControl?? I watched a movie where a kid took his bow and arrows to school and killed dozens. Reactionary politicians r a safety hazard

— di kele (@Pudingtane) January 11, 2013

Shouldn’t be Tweeting either

If a person is too mentally ill to own a gun, he probably shouldn’t be walking our streets either. #tcot

— di kele (@Pudingtane) January 11, 2013

WTF?

What about the other Shooters at the scene that police chased into the woods at Sandy Hook ???? Hah? #tcot #tgdn

— Cool Car Guy (@JoeSixpackSays) January 11, 2013

WTFF?

How many laws has Obozo violated already?He doesn’t follow the Constitution AT ALL!#ImpeachTheBastard

— PolitixGal (@PolitixGal) January 11, 2013

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

There you are! I have a link for you—hang on…

Paul Watson is out of the next season of Whale Wars:

“Whale Wars” TV conservationist Paul Watson quit his conservation society Tuesday because of a recent federal court injunction against him and his group’s anti-whaling activities.

Last month, the Japanese research foundation Institute of Cetacean Research and the Japanese firm Kyodo Senpaku Kaisha Ltd. secured a U.S. District Court injunction against Watson and his Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, according to the institute’s website.

The injunction prohibits Watson and his group from coming within 500 yards of the plaintiffs on the open sea, according to a copy of the court document on the institute’s website.

Watson has become renowned for his attempts to disrupt Japanese whalers on the open water through Animal Planet’s “Whale Wars” TV show.

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

I just tweeted this a little while ago. Maybe good for your blog?

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

WTFF is pretty good.

what the fucking fuck obvious. I lean to what the flying fuck.

re: #12 CuriousLurker

I just tweeted this a little while ago. Maybe good for your blog?

Thanks!

Jewish Daily Forward is embarrassed by Jews who keep kosher.

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

There are times like this when i find myself force to root for Barack Obama at least a little, because I really do admire his ability to keep calm and decent while subject to the kinds of extreme nate that are aimed at him. Barack, this one is for you:

re: #13 Stanghazi

WTFF is pretty good.

I kind of gave up the DERP search after WTFF. They retweet and retweet this shit over and over and over so it’s all one big insane wingnut echo chamber. The fake quotes, the Hitler photoshops, the Sandy Hook troofers, make me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty screwdriver.

re: #14 Stanghazi

what the fucking fuck obvious. I lean to what the flying fuck.

Wave the flemish flag!

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Thanks!

My pleasure! There’s always room for a little tzedakah/sadaqah. ;)

Jewish Daily Forward is embarrassed by Jews who keep kosher.

Sheesh.

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

I kind of gave up the DERP search after WTFF. They retweet and retweet this shit over and over and over so it’s all one big insane wingnut echo chamber. The fake quotes, the Hitler photoshops, the Sandy Hook troofers, make me want to gouge out my eyes with a rusty screwdriver.

Give yourself a break: Don’t look at that crap again till Sunday. It’s depressing filth and you need a couple of days away from it.

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

Winter coats at 49° F? LMAO —> Cali girl

_{// I was the same way when I first moved to the East Coast and I LMAO at ppl in NJ who complained about the heat when it was 85° out. Now, if it gets above 70° I think I’m melting, heh.}

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

What are you wearing? And don’t the coats make it take longer to cook the salmon?

re: #22 CuriousLurker

Winter coats at 49° F? LMAO —> Cali girl

_{// I was the same way when I first moved to the East Coast and I LMAO at ppl in NJ who complained about the heat when it was 85° out. Now, if it gets above 70° I think I’m melting, heh.}

heh. 44 F in Philly right now and that is overly warm for this part of January. A regular tropical heat wave… ;)

re: #23 Feline Fearless Leader

What are you wearing? And don’t the coats make it take longer to cook the salmon?

Last night I grilled a salmon in my winter coat. What it was doing in my winter coat I’ll never know.

I am just so fucking sick of the fake quotes.

GO VIRAL! The REAL George Washington quote. He was against #Outsourcing #tcot #tgdn #p2 #tlot bit.ly/V0isX3 twitpic.com/bu61ey

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 11, 2013

re: #19 CuriousLurker

My pleasure! There’s always room for a little tzedakah/sadaqah. ;)

Sheesh.

Found this. :)

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Some real charmers in that group. Twitter is like a man hole cover with plumes of smoke coming out, ready to blow.

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

Puhleeze. Cry me a river would you. We ned the water.

Blizzard Warning

Edit. BTW, it is 25 degrees here in Twin Falls, Id.

re: #20 Stanghazi

freezing here in san diego. well 49ish with major wind. We are grilling salmon in our winter coats.

“Oh, no! That’s below 50!” : )

re: #26 Vicious Babushka

I am just so fucking sick of the fake quotes.

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First Annual Message to Congress
George Washington
January 8, 1790

Derp.

[Link: animalsandguns.tumblr.com…]

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Found this. :)

Cool, thanks.

Let them fight a proxy war in the Pages while we try to figure out another way to get past our differences. ;)

…Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy…

There’s still a tradition of reading Washington’s Farewell Address before the Senate on his birthday. Last year Jeanne Shaheen did the reading.

re: #34 Gus

…Among the many interesting objects which will engage your attention, that of providing for the common defence will merit particular regard. To be prepared for war, is one of the most effectual means of perserving peace.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end, a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others for essential, particularly for military supplies.

The proper establishment of the troops, which may be deemed indispensable, will be entitled to mature deliberation. In the arrangements which may be made respecting it, it will be of importance to conciliate the comfortable support of the officers and soldiers with a due regard to economy…

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

re: #24 Feline Fearless Leader

heh. 44 F in Philly right now and that is overly warm for this part of January. A regular tropical heat wave… ;)

Heh, same here—40 right now—it was really nice earlier this afternoon. Much warmer than usual.

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

Great White Sharks Spotted Off Fla. Coast

A pair of great white sharks have been spotted swimming off the coast of Jacksonville Beach, Fla., this week, thanks to the help of a new GPS tracking device that allows researchers to follow their movements up and down the U.S. east coast.

Jacksonville’s First Coast News reported that two great whites — the first named Mary Lee, who weighs more than 3,400 pounds and measures 16 feet long, and the second named Genie, a 14-footer who weighs nearly 2,300 pounds — were first spotted near the Florida coast this week after being tagged off the coast of Cape Cod, Mass. […]

O_o

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

Won’t cost him any tolls to get into NJ. However, on the way out it is another story!

Night Lizards. Starting to spit snow. Will be interesting to see what the A.M. brings. Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

O_o

Everybody, leave them the hell alone!

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

O_o

I posted on that one last night. Big fish, those two. Though the expedition that tagged them thankfully had a boat big enough for the job. :D

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

It had actually become free of those type of ice floes by the Civil War. The 1850’s saw the end of the Little Ice Age and North America warmed up dramatically.

re: #42 prairiefire

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

You baby!

Just swim up to the fishy and tickle it til it falls asleep.

re: #45 CuriousLurker

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

There aren’t too many things scarier than a 16-ft Great White. *shudder*

[Link: sharks-ocearch.verite.com…]

@MaryLeeShark

re: #38 CuriousLurker

Yikes! If you live in Florida, you might want to stay out of the water for now…

Great White Sharks Spotted Off Fla. Coast

A pair of great white sharks have been spotted swimming off the coast of Jacksonville Beach, Fla., this week, thanks to the help of a new GPS tracking device that allows researchers to follow their movements up and down the U.S. east coast.

Jacksonville’s First Coast News reported that two great whites — the first named Mary Lee, who weighs more than 3,400 pounds and measures 16 feet long, and the second named Genie, a 14-footer who weighs nearly 2,300 pounds — were first spotted near the Florida coast this week after being tagged off the coast of Cape Cod, Mass. […]

O_o

Quick everybody, jump it!

#ThingsScarierThanAGreatWhiteShark

Sarah Palin, Rick Santorum, or Michele Bachmann as POTUS

re: #49 Gus

@MaryLeeShark

Ha! Even the shark has a Twitter account. LOL

re: #40 Feline Fearless Leader

Won’t cost him any tolls to get into NJ. However, on the way out it is another story!

well, duh. Nobody would pay to get into Jersey, anybody and everybody would pay to get out.

FREE MARKET!!!

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

I see you stopped highlighting before you got to the next paragraph. Did you stop reading there as well?

re: #32 Gus
It’s interesting, but the image you supplied left this part out:

to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite;

re: #46 Four More Tears

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Well, Long Lance torpedoes were something as scary as a shark, if you happened to be in an Allied ship. Their use of liquid oxygen meant they left little wake, they were very fast, and their large warheads almost always detonated upon impact.

re: #53 sagehen

well, duh. Nobody would pay to get into Jersey, anybody and everybody would pay to get out.

FREE MARKET!!!

Q. Why is it that New Jersey has so many toxic waste dumps and California has so many lawyers?

A. Jersey got first pick.

It’s getting late here, I’m out. G’nite, everyone.

re: #55 Belafon

It’s interesting, but the image you supplied left this part out:

That whole quote is bogus.

re: #54 Belafon

I see you stopped highlighting before you got to the next paragraph. Did you stop reading there as well?

No, I read it. Frankly, there is a great deal in that passage for me to expound on, but by focusing on one part of it I was able to keep my post to a manageable length.

The book I’ve been waiting 16 years for finally arrived at my door this evening.

re: #61 Kragar

The book I’ve been waiting 16 years for finally arrived at my door this evening.

The Necronomicon?

//

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Actually, ice events used to be more common. The last real ice jam that affected areas downstream was in 1996.

re: #62 Targetpractice

The Necronomicon?

//

No, I picked up a copy of that back in high school.

The 14th and final Wheel of Time book.

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

I posted on that one last night. Big fish, those two. Though the expedition that tagged them thankfully had a boat big enough for the job. :D

Good! I swear to goodness I will stuff the head of anybody who wants to make a trophy of them! I’m still upset about the pregnant lady hammerhead.

re: #65 prairiefire

Good! I swear to goodness I will stuff the head of anybody who wants to make a trophy of them! I’m still upset about the pregnant lady hammerhead.

Sharks of that size are rare, so I understand why you feel as you do.

re: #65 prairiefire

Ironic humans should complain about sharks invading “people” space after they’ve done so much incalculable damage to their natural habitat, the world’s oceans.

The most horrific predators on Earth always have been, and always will be homo sapiens.

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

Tea Party favorite Joe Walsh says conservatives are losing the “war” for U.S. voters and encouraged his backers at a South Loop rally to engage in civil disobedience to defy the Affordable Care Act or new gun regulations.

At his most aggressive, he told dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with federal health care law restrictions or new gun laws.

He paraphrased Thomas Jefferson in saying, “We may have to shed blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

The one-term McHenry County congressman, who lost his re-election bid to Democrat Tammy Duckworth in November, openly contemplated breaking away from the Republican Party during a Wednesday rally at Blackie’s, 755 S. Clark St.

And in the end of the rally he began organizing a statewide movement he said would “scare Republicans and Democrats.”

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

I hate this guy, why won’t he just go away?

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

I hate this guy, why won’t he just go away?

I’ve spent the last four years wondering the same thing about Sarah Palin.

re: #68 Kragar

He paraphrased Thomas Jefferson in saying, “We may have to shed other people’s blood every couple hundred years to preserve our freedoms.”

Yup.

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

I’m assuming the paraphrase is of Jefferson’s “tree of liberty” bit. The irony in that is thick, as it was Jefferson’s response to word of Shay’s Rebellion, which itself was armed rebellion over taxes and debt collection. And while Jefferson seemed to approve of armed revolution in the name of avoiding debts, word of the rebellion inspired Washington and many others to push for a stronger federal government and expanded military powers in order to address such uprisings.

Jefferson was a good man, one whose ideas helped inspire this nation and whose work on the Declaration of Independence was fundamental. But when it came to dealing with the reality of a new nation, he was still very much an idealist.

re: #68 Kragar

At his most aggressive, he told dozens of supporters to “defy and or break the law and engage in civil disobedience” if faced with federal health care law restrictions or new gun laws.

Maybe if Joe Walsh hadn’t ‘defied and or broken the law’ to keep from putting food on his kids’ fucking table, I’d consider him worthy to polish the boot-scrubber outside the National Archives door nearest to the Constitution.

Joe Walsh is a bigger national embarrassment than Twilight.

re: #68 Kragar

Joe Walsh Suggests Breaking Law to Fight Affordable Care Act in Chicago

Well Joe there’s a reason why you’re an ex Congressman and this is a good example why. Enjoy paying child support asshole.

This is certainly the land of the free when a man who is as big of a twit as Mr. Walsh can win, and lose, an elected office.

I’m still amazed he won office to begin with to be honest. Just another example why you should never vote for a party just because you’re angry with the other. Stupid way to vote.

re: #77 HappyWarrior

I’m still amazed he won office to begin with to be honest. Just another example why you should never vote for a party just because you’re angry with the other. Stupid way to vote.

Indeed, “protest votes” or simply refusing to vote at all does nothing but just help the other guy. And I know a lot of folks are angry with that, think it a cop-out. But in our present political climate, it’s going to take a great deal of defections from either party to a third party to move the needle.

re: #77 HappyWarrior

you should never vote for a party

Edited for succinctness.

_{(however you can certainly vote against one.)}

re: #79 erik_t

Edited for succinctness.

_{(however you can certainly vote against one.)}

Yeah, I can’t imagine voting for anyone that the Virginia GOP is going to put in front of me anytime soon.

One of Kansas City’s own fictional writers, Evan Connell, dies at the age of 88 ~ [Link: www.latimes.com…]

While living out in the real world today, actually was paying attention. I tried to take a steadier shot, but it’s difficult in a moving car. I did some post processing, but it didn’t help much.

How was your day?

Speaking of dead-beat and absentee dads, this was on my fb.

re: #82 FemNaziBitch

While living out in the real world today, actually was paying attention. I tried to take a steadier shot, but it’s difficult in a moving car. I did some post processing, but it didn’t help much.

How was your day?

I like it! The highlighted part is what the kids like in “hyper-realism” for wallpaper, etc.

re: #84 prairiefire

I like it! The highlighted part is what the kids like in “hyper-realism” for wallpaper, etc.

Thanks. It took me a minute to start laughing. Either the managers of the company have a wicked sense of humor or someone was trying to be helpful. I can’t decide which.

Thanks for posting something too! I thought I killed the thread again. :(

I did, I killed it.

Well, at least I didn’t kill Kenny.

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Funny pic though.

I’ve seen semis with “If you can read this, you’re too close.” on the back end.

Gamer senses tingling:

re: #88 Targetpractice

Gamer senses tingling:

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re: #89 Kragar

I remember the 2020 version

That was back when I was still a kid. Hadn’t even really heard of cyberpunk til I was in high school.

Inside the #Saudi Kingdom (BBC #Documentary) Lionel Mill’s film has unique access to Prince Saud bin Abdul Mohsen: youtu.be/au9Aqd_-2hc

— Gus (@Gus_802) January 11, 2013

Excellent.

re: #90 Targetpractice

That was back when I was still a kid. Hadn’t even really heard of cyberpunk til I was in high school.

My buddies and I used to play as bounty hunters. I had a Nomad who worked as the driver and had friends in low places.

re: #83 FemNaziBitch

Speaking of dead-beat and absentee dads, this was on my fb.

Speaking of which, as I’m undertaking an exhaustive genealogy exercise, to fill in some holes in mine (one quarter, to be exact, from an unknown grandfather), I am struck about how hard it can be to track someone down, but at the same time appreciate that our society sees fit to keep written records.

I’m doing a hail-mary just to up my chances - a genetic search. It’s a long shot, especially as my mother has deep roots in this country, all the way back to the 17th century, so I know that there will be very many “5th” cousins showing up in genetic matches.

Oh, and even with all the computerized support out there I’m also struck by how crude so much of it is - really poor user interfaces, lack of cross checked references, etc. Quite a few erroneous entries made by people through time, including some of my distant relative ancestors who drew family trees before the age of computers.

And, I’m one of those who probably will be hampered by the loss (by fire) of the 1890 census files. I need to track some lines back through Ohio, Indiana, and probably Kentucky during the late 19th century. And speaking of censuses, I notice how often the data entered first hand is erroneous - I’ve caught some from the 1930 and 1940 censuses already. It’s amazing how wrong people can get their own birth year or their spouses.

re: #92 Kragar

My buddies and I used to play as bounty hunters. I had a Nomad who worked as the driver and had friends in low places.

One neat factoid I learnt today - besides one of my great great grandfathers who served the Union (cavalry) in the War, his father (my g^3 grandfather) was in it too, though he was much older. My g-g-grandfather was pretty young to be in the cavalry so I wondered why he signed up, but it turns out his father did also. The old guy served in a special unit for “grey hairs”, that relieved the youngsters of doing behind the line duties such as guarding prisoner camps.

re: #94 Gus

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Actually, it was my g-g-grandfather’s father-in-law who was also in the “War of the Rebellion”, which raises the question, since by g-g-grandfather was married only after the war, if he met his woman by meeting his future-father-in-law, or, did he enlist to impress his to-be-father-in-law?

How far will a young man go to get a woman?

re: #100 Kragar

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re: #101 freetoken

How far will a young man go to get a woman?

re: #103 Kragar

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re: #93 freetoken

I’ve done the same thing, and some of the errors in census records can either be attributed to clerical errors, poor memory, or language problems. My great-grandfather, who really was born in New Jersey, has his birthplace listed variously in NJ or NY in later censuses. Probably one of his kids was the person being interviewed, but who knows?

I knew my grandfather had been been married before he married my grandma, but I didn’t know (and maybe my dad didn’t either) that grandpa and his first wife adopted a baby girl. She lived long enough to marry and have kids, but died fairly young soon afterward. Her granddaughter and I connected on the Internet a few years back, and discovered we each had the same baby picture of this woman.

re: #106 Kragar

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Bow chicka. You bastard.

Millie Small - My Boy Lollipop: youtu.be/ZCUcbRTB6Rs via @youtube

— Gus (@Gus_802) January 11, 2013

re: #111 Gus

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re: #112 Kragar

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Dream lover.

re: #112 Kragar

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Dio’s style really did evolve over time…from 60s frat rock to Black Sabbath to “Holy Diver”.

He was the progenitor of power metal.

re: #114 TedStriker

Dio’s style really did evolve over time…from 60s frat rock to Black Sabbath to “Holy Diver”.

Yup. The guy was a legend.

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

Well, Long Lance torpedoes were something as scary as a shark, if you happened to be in an Allied ship. Their use of liquid oxygen meant they left little wake, they were very fast, and their large warheads almost always detonated upon impact.

And if their name was “Lance”, they were probably on steroids…

re: #116 Sol Berdinowitz

And if their name was “Lance”, they were probably on steroids…

*groan*

///

First pun of the day…and we’ve hit a tanker!!!

PLEASE SOMEBODY STOP ME BEFORE I KILL ANTOHER THREAD!!!

re: #119 Sol Berdinowitz

Three cheers for the puritans in MA - they liked to keep records, and passed that on to their descendants.

Looking for records, it’s clear that all states aren’t equal. NY didn’t require b/d registrations until 1881 - boo. My g-g-g grandfather of whom I wrote earlier was supposedly born in that state, but that was in the early 19th century and official records probably don’t exist. The old Bible records page does give a date and county in NY, but there is no way to verify that, probably. Which is a shame, as his ancestry that was researched over the years is at odds with what I can find on the internet. If it weren’t for old Bible records there probably wouldn’t be much genealogical history before the Civil War.

re: #121 freetoken

Puritans and Mormons have a few redeeming features, like keeping meticulous genealogical records. And tidy front lawns. Great for keeping up property values.

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

They were talking about entire countries, not individuals. When each citizen is preparing for war against his own neighbors, what kind of society is that? And anyway, the stats simply do not bear out the belief that having a gun makes you safer. Instances of people using guns to fend off intruders are the exception, not the rule. Guns purchased for self-defense are more likely to be used in domestic arguments, road rage incidents, suicides, accidental shootings, etc. etc. etc. Guns also raise the likelihood that arguments will result in catastrophic injury or death.

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

re: #123 Tigger2005

They were talking about entire countries, not individuals. When each citizen is preparing for war against his own neighbors, what kind of society is that? And anyway, the stats simply do not bear out the belief that having a gun makes you safer. Instances of people using guns to fend off intruders are the exception, not the rule. Guns purchased for self-defense are more likely to be used in domestic arguments, road rage incidents, suicides, accidental shootings, etc. etc. etc. Guns also raise the likelihood that arguments will result in catastrophic injury or death.

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

And let me add this…in George Washington’s day, you couldn’t just pick up a gun and shoot somebody. You had to put the powder in and load the ball.

re: #123 Tigger2005

If a single mom wants a gun to protect her kids, fine…but statistically, the gun makes her family less, not more, safe. I guess “feeling” safer is more important than actually BEING safer.

That’s not how statistics work. This is annoying. You cannot apply general statistics to a single situation. A particular single mom may actually be in a dangerous enough situation where a gun makes her safer.

We don’t have to declare every gun in every situation to be more dangerous than that situation without the gun.

re: #36 Dark_Falcon

In that bolded passage, Washington echoes Flavius Vegetius Renatus and Sun Tzu, in the former case likely deliberately. But that bit of advice is as true today as it was back then. And the availability of arms as a deterrent is a core part of the right to keep and bear arms. By being able to defend yourself you might prevent others from attacking you in the first place.

If you want to defend yourself in your home with a gun, then you need training and steady nerves.

To defend others in a crowded public place, you need extensive training, experience, nerves of steel and a sound sense of judgement, otherwise, you can easily complicate an already dangerous situation.

That skills set is not automatically conferred upon you when you get a gun permit. Guns are not some kind of talisman.

The teacher at the last shooting in California managed to disarm the assailant without using a gun…

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

And the armed deputy didn’t prevent it, nor did the armed guards at Virginia Tech or at a ton of other places. Guns are not magic talismans, nor are ‘armed guards’. The only way to reduce gun death is to increase gun regulation and decrease the number of guns floating around out there.

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

Puritans and Mormons have a few redeeming features, like keeping meticulous genealogical records. And tidy front lawns. Great for keeping up property values.

My aunt is the researcher and keeper of my family history. In the system, each family member is assigned a unique ID number. When I got married, my wife’s ID number became #666. She is certain it is no accident.

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up. I’m not a fan of some untrained yahoo firing blind at a burglar, but I want that yahoo to have the opportunity to own a weapon and get the training, without having to justify to the government his need to defend his home.

Job interview, BBL. Wish me luck.

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Job interview, BBL. Wish me luck.

Good luck. We should hear good news.

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

So how strict do you want the training and regulation to be?

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up.

If so, why do you think they have magical powers like somehow warding off America’s enemies while in civilian hands?

#RIPTedNugent

#RIPTedNugent put a fake birth cert in a bear trap to catch Obama but forgot about it and lunged at it, mistaking it for a draft deferment

— woodmuffin (@woodmuffin) January 11, 2013

re: #39 dragonath

Well, Washington can cross the Delaware without any impediment now. The river is ice free.

FREEDOM!

Speaking of GW, I do so enjoy being able to walk up the hill at the end of my driveway to Dorchester Heights and think of the history there.

IMG: Dorchester Heights Monument

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the NRA isn’t happy with how yesterday’s meeting with VP Biden went. They were disappointed and warn (threaten) that comprehensive gun control wont happen this year.

Of course, it goes without saying that they’d oppose any kind of comprehensive gun control or any kind of assault weapons ban, and that they’d further oppose anything that might even be considered a restriction or regulation on top of existing laws.

Never mind that the existing laws have loopholes that you can drive a convoy of assault weapons through and have enough room for enough ammo to last several lifetimes.

There’s room to do something about fixing the broken system, but it should be apparent to anyone that the NRA isn’t going to be a willing partner to solve this conundrum.

Turkey, what the hell did you do?

Kurdish PKK co-founder Sakine Cansiz shot dead in Paris

re: #136 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I see that the NRA isn’t happy with how yesterday’s meeting with VP Biden went. They were disappointed and warn (threaten) that comprehensive gun control wont happen this year.

Of course, it goes without saying that they’d oppose any kind of comprehensive gun control or any kind of assault weapons ban, and that they’d further oppose anything that might even be considered a restriction or regulation on top of existing laws.

Never mind that the existing laws have loopholes that you can drive a convoy of assault weapons through and have enough room for enough ammo to last several lifetimes.

There’s room to do something about fixing the broken system, but it should be apparent to anyone that the NRA isn’t going to be a willing partner to solve this conundrum.

The NRA’s a lobbying firm for the gun manufacturers these days. Doesn’t matter what the polls say its membership wants, it’s not going to support any laws that could potentially eat into the sales of the companies bankrolling it. Better to instead focus on marginalizing it, which it’s doing most of the heavy work by continuing to freak out at the littlest things.

Via Sullivan, an article about geoengineering from the SF Chronicle: Link

What do people think about geoengineering schemes? I feel like a good analogy is chemotherapy. Normally, putting powerful poisons in one’s body would be a bad idea, but if the other option (cancer) is even worse, you do it, at least until the threat recedes.

Climate Change is planetary cancer, and until we reach the point where we’ve replaced carbon fuel with green energy entirely, we’re at risk. I think there will be a green energy revolution sooner rather than later, but it may be too late to stop the worst effects of climate change. We know how the 1991 eruption of Mt. Pinatubo affected the climate, and have a pretty good idea about the effects of other powerful eruptions in the past via ice cores and tree rings, so we wouldn’t really be going into an unknown zone.

The objections strike me as naive “you’re tinkering with forces beyond your control”. “You’re messing with natural systems.” “It could have unpredictable negative effects”. Um, and this is different from what we’re currently doing by pumping zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere….how?

Top 10 best and worst educated states, and how they voted ( photo) twitter.com/rochshelly/sta… #TGDN #tcot #GOP #FOX #NRA #teaparty

— mock_you_men_tory (@LiteisoN) January 11, 2013

re: #139 Ian G.

The objections strike me as naive “you’re tinkering with forces beyond your control”. “You’re messing with natural systems.” “It could have unpredictable negative effects”. Um, and this is different from what we’re currently doing by pumping zillions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere….how?

The difference is not naive. We can’t predict the consequences of geoengineering with any certainty, whereas we can predict with considerable certainty the effects of simply stopping doing certain other things.

re: #140 Vicious Babushka

Usually, when you look at a list of states ranked by some indication of human development, there’s a consistent bottom 5: Mississippi, Alabama, West Virginia, Louisiana, and Arkansas. Here we’ve got a bottom 6 with Kentucky added.

And usually, among the best are those socialist hellholes of Massachusetts and Vermont.

re: #141 Achilles Tang

The difference is not naive. We can’t predict the consequences of geoengineering with any certainty, whereas we can predict with considerable certainty the effects of simply stopping doing certain other things.

What’s the likelihood that those “certain other things” will be stopped anytime soon? That’s the problem.

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Larry Ward, chairman of the national Gun Appreciation Day gun rights advocates have planned for the weekend of President Obama’s second inauguration, told CNN Friday that there never would have been slaves in America if black people had guns.

“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward said.

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

I’m not arguing that guns are magic talismans, but what I am arguing is that the training and nerves are useless without arms to back them up. I’m not a fan of some untrained yahoo firing blind at a burglar, but I want that yahoo to have the opportunity to own a weapon and get the training, without having to justify to the government his need to defend his home.

That is not in question here; the Second Amendment and its current interpretation covers the right to own a gun to defend one’s home, it is just a matter of regulating and registering privately owned firearms.

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read in a really, really, really long time.

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

“I think Martin Luther King, Jr. would agree with me if he were alive today that if African Americans had been given the right to keep and bear arms from day one of the country’s founding, perhaps slavery might not have been a chapter in our history,” Ward said.

I mean, can he not see the irony here?

re: #147 geoffm33

I mean, can he not see the irony here?

No. No, he can’t.

Mornin’ everyone…happy Friday.

“Jesus Christ would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed!”

re: #146 geoffm33

This might be the single dumbest thing I’ve read in a really, really, really long time.

I used to say things like that, but then I’d read something dumber not five minutes later.

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

re: #152 darthstar

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

DERP. FAIL.

The DEMOCRAT PARTY. working to enslave America since 1861#tcot #tgdn twitter.com/Pw9X/status/28…

— trev (@Pw9X) January 11, 2013

re: #152 darthstar

These idiots need to stick with the Hitler references. The Rosa Parks/Slavery stuff is just beyond their ability to sound like even half assed loons.

They’re just digging themselves in all kinds of deeper. In any sane world, such a statement would have been slapped down with examples of laws enacted all the way up til the Civil Rights Era banning gun ownership to blacks, laws enacted and enforced by…that’s right…white Christian men.

“If only Abraham Lincoln had been armed and had eyes in the back of his head…”

re: #155 BongCrodny

Time to deregulate rear-facing-eyes.

Then there’s that Jefferson quote they are so fond of retweeting:

“No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms.”

Except that wingnuts put a space between “free” and “man” not realizing that when Jefferson wrote that, he used “freeman” in the context of “NOT A SLAVE.”

In Jefferson’s time slaves were always debarred the use of arms.

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

re: #154 Targetpractice

They’re just digging themselves in all kinds of deeper. In any sane world, such a statement would have been slapped down with examples of laws enacted all the way up til the Civil Rights Era banning gun ownership to blacks, laws enacted and enforced by…that’s right…white Christian men.

Now to find Republican congresscritters willing to have an Akin/Mourdock moment by defending this asshole…you know some of them will be going to the Gun Appreciation Day festivities…time to get them on tape.

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

DERP. FAIL.

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So all these people running around today with Confederate flags are really Democrats. Hmmm. Who knew.

re: #158 Ian G.

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

They refuse to admit the fact that a “Southern Democrat” was basically just a Republican who lives south of the Mason-Dixon line and could not hope to get elected by being a member of the party that freed the nig…,ahem, I mean slaves.

re: #158 Ian G.

Do wingnuts ever wonder why African-Americans overwhelmingly vote Democratic despite their constant harping on the ancient history of the Democratic Party? Are they genuinely unaware that the Dixiecrats all became Republicans, or is it just mass delusion that what happened in 1860 matters more than what happened in 2008?

Wingnuts live in their own Bizarro world, where MLK was a Republican and Blacks only vote for Democrats because “they get free stuff”

re: #160 Gus

So all these people running around today with Confederate flags are really Democrats. Hmmm. Who knew.

FAKE quote! Jefferson NEVER said “Those who hammer their guns into plows..&c.” monticello.org/site/jefferson… #tcot #p2 #tgdn #Jefferson #guns

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 11, 2013

re: #147 geoffm33

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

Sure enough…

@wretchedmaniam “Those who hammer their guns into plows” etc. FAKE QUOTE! monticello.org/site/jefferson… #tgdn #tcot #tlot #Jefferson

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 11, 2013

re: #163 Vicious Babushka

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Whenever I see the word “guns” or “firearms” attributed to a historical figure I’m suspicious. They rarely used both words back then.

re: #166 Gus

Whenever I see the word “guns” or “firearms” attributed to a historical figure I’m suspicious. They rarely used both words back then.

Somebody should put up a page of the Top 20 Fake Quotes on Twitter.

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

Somebody should put up a page of the Top 20 Fake Quotes on Twitter.

Fake gun quotes? Could be done I suppose.

re: #166 Gus

The suspicion about quotes attributed to historical figures in general is a good idea. Many that float about the ‘net are bogus, mischaracterizations, or exaggerations.

Fake…

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty teeth.” George Washington

— Janie Johnson (@jjauthor) January 10, 2013

re: #144 Targetpractice

*facepalm*

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

Somebody get my hip-waders, because it is gettin’ deep.

They’ve become completely divorced from reality. I mean, the papers have been signed and the lawyers have rested their cases…

Here’s the mother lode of bogus quotes on Twitter: Results for firearms “George Washington”

Maybe not a mother lode. Anyway, there are a bunch.

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

The South did not even want to arm blacks to fight for the Confederacy, because that would have entailed freeing them afterwards…

Heh. On the other hand, I think the NRA *would* consider this a solution!

re: #164 wheat-dogghazi

Words fail me.

If African-Americans in the South used weapons to fight for their civil rights, how would that have turned out, eh?

Probably with mass executions and more repression all around. You know, like this.

David Frum had a good tweet in response to all the nonsense about the Nazis being stopped if Germans (or Jews) were armed. He mentioned that the Polish army had guns in 1939. How did that turn out?

Also, Hungary had guns in 1956. A fat lot of good that did them against the Red Army….

re: #170 Gus

On a hunch, I checked Google. This quote turns up on several “famous quotes” websites. Brainy Quote, the one I checked, offers no way to comment on the veracity of a quote. So, doubtlessly, these brainiacs are using the “if it’s on the Internet, it must be true” line of reasoning.

re: #176 Ian G.

Well, in all fairness, if the Iraqi army was fully armed in 2003 George Bush never would have given the order to invade. We only did that because we knew they couldn’t really fight back…at least militarily.

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

On a hunch, I checked Google. This quote turns up on several “famous quotes” websites. Brainy Quote, the one I checked, offers no way to comment on the veracity of a quote. So, doubtlessly, these brainiacs are using the “if it’s on the Internet, it must be true” line of reasoning.

Yeah, I noticed the same. So they’re to blame as well.

re: #176 Ian G.

Probably with mass executions and more repression all around. You know, like this.

David Frum had a good tweet in response to all the nonsense about the Nazis being stopped if Germans (or Jews) were armed. He mentioned that the Polish army had guns in 1939. How did that turn out?

Also, Hungary had guns in 1956. A fat lot of good that did them against the Red Army….

typo fixed. Amused by suggestion that gun control in Germany enabled Nazis. Polish army had guns. How’d they do against the Wehrmacht?

— davidfrum (@davidfrum) January 10, 2013

re: #177 wheat-dogghazi

“I LIKE CORN DOGS!” —John McCain, in response to why he suspended his campaign in 2008.

It’s true…it’s right there…on the internet.

YouTube’s Most Popular ‘Gun Nut’ Found Shot to Death, Surrounded by Guns

Keith Ratliff was better known to the gun-loving side of YouTube as the user FPSRussia, aka Professional Russia, with his channel of ammunition porn racking up 3.5 million subscribers and over 500 million views. Last week, in a gruesome and still mysterious twist of fate, Georgia police found him shot in the head and surrounded by guns — just not the one that left him dead.

The Agenda 21 ninja/assassins are already inside the wire!!!

re: #174 Sol Berdinowitz

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

re: #181 darthstar

“I LIKE CORN DOGS!” —John McCain, in response to why he suspended his campaign in 2008.

It’s true…it’s right there…on the internet.

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

re: #173 Gus

Maybe not a mother lode. Anyway, there are a bunch.

It just seems like there are more, because the same ones get retweeted over and over in the wingnut echo chamber.

The Jefferson fake quotes are easy to debunk because Monticello.org has a collection. I can’t find a reliable source for debunking the Washington “liberty’s teeth” fake quote, but last night I was able to debunk that “armed and disciplined” since it was a misrepresentation of a real quote.

GO VIRAL! The REAL George Washington quote. He was against #Outsourcing #tcot #tgdn #p2 #tlot bit.ly/V0isX3 twitpic.com/bu61ey

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 11, 2013

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

I seem to recall that even the Union was hesitant about using freed slaves to fight against the Confederacy until they started running low on manpower…

“It makes me happy when Nancy slips a finger into my butt.” —Ronald Reagan to Mikhail Gorbachev after the Berlin Wall came down.

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

It just seems like there are more, because the same ones get retweeted over and over in the wingnut echo chamber.

The Jefferson fake quotes are easy to debunk because Monticello.org has a collection. I can’t find a reliable source for debunking the Washington “liberty’s teeth” fake quote, but last night I was able to debunk that “armed and disciplined” since it was a misrepresentation of a real quote.

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There’s this from Guncite:

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Of course when you’re dealing with a case of not being able to prove or disprove the general rule is to discard.

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

virality is veracity!

So I’m already having a shitty day, and I click over to Talking Points Memo and see this:

Gun Appreciation Day Leader: If Blacks Had Guns, They Would Not Have Been Slaves

The amount of self-delusion and stupid it takes to say this with a straight face defies all rational thought.

To every conservative that posts here: seriously, people, this is the problem. Right here. Your party and movement are infested with these lunatics, and at best, you guys respond with a No True Republican defense.

This is why you guys lost the Presidency and two Senate seats.

What. The. Fuck.

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

This has several variations including “hour” for “moment” and sometimes added as part of an actual Washington quote “A free people ought not only to be armed…” The various citations are even more numerous than different wordings: Address to the Second Session of the First U.S. Congress; Speech to Congress of January 7, 1790, printed in the Boston Independent Chronicle, January 14, 1790; The Federalist No. 53; Debates and Proceedings in the Convention of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts, 1785.

The problems with this quote are many. (1) Prairie wagons were not being utilized and the prairies were uninhabited by European settlers at the time. (2) The percentage use and other modern English phrases such as “safe and sane” are suspicious and atypical for the time period. (3) The bold proclamation of needing firearms is odd since nobody was considering gun control against law-abiding people at the time. (4) Too many convenient topics are covered in one passage.

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

Quoting famous people is fun!

re: #191 lawhawk

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

How reliable is that site?

re: #192 jaunte

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

WOLVERINES!1!

re: #64 Kragar

No, I picked up a copy of that back in high school.

The 14th and final Wheel of Time book.

Cheese is swept, is that how many there are now? I quit at 4.

re: #187 darthstar

“It makes me happy when Nancy slips a finger into my butt.” —Ronald Reagan to Mikhail Gorbachev after the Berlin Wall came down.

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

It may be too late to debunk it. This quote has been posted and re-posted so many times it’s now become as legendary as Washington chopping down the cherry tree and throwing a coin across the river.

Clearly, Washington never said it. It’s modern English, not the way people spoke or wrote in the 18th century.

re: #183 wheat-dogghazi

As a general rule, allowing subjugated peoples to have firearms sometimes turns out badly for the subjugators. Does the moron who suggested the “arm the slaves” idea consider who the slaves would have been shooting at? Could have been one of his ancestors.

Or their ancestors came over the ocean after the Civil War when the political equivalents of their current viewpoint were (still) agitating to turn them back at Ellis Island due to be from the wrong ethnic group or simply not being American.

Know Nothingism/Isolationism seems to come to the fore in US politics on a cyclical basis - roughly every 30-40 years.

re: #191 lawhawk

Debunking the Liberty’s teeth quote:

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

Firearms site:gwpapers.virginia.edu

Nada.

re: #200 erik_t

George Washington on Ivory Soap slogans.

re: #201 Gus

Firearms site:gwpapers.virginia.edu

Nada.

Google, being from the Bay Area, has a well-known liberal search bias.

What does Conservoogle turn up?

re: #200 erik_t

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

Yeah, that’s pretty modern too: 99 99/100%.

Would be better if they said 99 and 44/100ths //

re: #197 Mattand

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

here you go…it’s on the internet so it has to be true

re: #199 Feline Fearless Leader

Or their ancestors came over the ocean after the Civil War when the political equivalents of their current viewpoint were (still) agitating to turn them back at Ellis Island due to be from the wrong ethnic group or simply not being American.

Know Nothingism/Isolationism seems to come to the fore in US politics on a cyclical basis - roughly every 30-40 years.

“Irish need not apply.”

re: #204 Gus

Yeah, that’s pretty modern too: 99 99/100%.

I’d say it’s not so much modern as uneducated.

re: #192 jaunte

Re: “a uniform and a well-digested plan”

I’ve seen quite a few NRA spokesheads on television lately, mouthing the talking point that an armed citizen is equipped with an effective defense against our own government, but none of the interviewers has yet followed up with any questions about how a couple of hunters, or even an informal (and unelected) militia group would have either the right or the capability of resisting their legal government.

These people have already determined taht the currently elected government is a band of illegal usurpers led by a foreign-born Muslim.

They are convinced that the President stole the election by promising free handouts to social parasites who, in their eyes, should not have been allowed to vote.

re: #200 erik_t

Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

It makes me think of the huckster minister who published a book “proving” the existence of heaven by “quoting” his child who had a near-death experience and met Jesus. Jesus, apparently, had the brightest of blue eyes and blond hair.

Yeah, lots of blond-haired, blue-eyed people in 1st-century Israel. Again, show some fucking effort.

re: #202 jaunte

George Washington on Ivory Soap slogans.

I’m waiting for Burma Shave GW quotes.
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re: #200 erik_t

It reads falsely on its face, frankly.

“99 99/100 percent of them”? Really, folks? Show some fucking effort.

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

re: #208 Sol Berdinowitz

I’m eager to see the interviewer that will press them on that.

re: #197 Mattand

I need a citation on that. Not because I’m a Reagan fan, but because that image makes me throw up in my mouth. A lot.

If you give someone with talent & photoshop an hour, maybe they can show you a picture of it actually happening. Not me though, I have neither talent nor photoshop

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

They did. But not as the general issue military weapons since smoothbore muskets had a higher firing rate and were easier to make. The backwoodsmen used rifles, and did the German jaeger troops.

re: #205 darthstar

here you go…it’s on the internet so it has to be true

AUUGGGH!!! TIME LOOP!!!

re: #214 Jolo5309

If you give someone with talent & photoshop an hour, maybe they can show you a picture of it actually happening. Not me though, I have neither talent nor photoshop

I have both, but the Geneva Convention and good taste prevent me from doing so.

re: #211 Vicious Babushka

Rifles did not exist in George Washington’s time.

HA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Oh, quite right. In a broad sense, they did not. If Wikipedia is to be believed, they were a very fringe weapon used by the sharpest of sharpshooters, but were by no means a general-use weapon and would surely not be discussed in lieu of muskets.

Wooden choppers
You’ll one day see ‘em
On a shelf
In some museum
— George Washington

re: #216 Mattand

AUUGGGH!!! TIME LOOP!!!

I would have made a bow but I got lazy.

Our sister site FlackCheck produced this video on our article about the worst viral emails of 2012: ow.ly/gJyTZ

— Fact Check (@factcheckdotorg) January 11, 2013

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

Fairly reliable. Gun Cite also refers to it, but notes that the gun rights folks provide attributions to various speeches/documents, and yet a review of any and all of those documents reveal no such language.

re: #212 Gus

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

What were the results on Skewed Quotes?
;)

OR Unskewed Quotes for that matter?

re: #222 lawhawk

Fairly reliable. Gun Cite also refers to it, but notes that the gun rights folks provide attributions to various speeches/documents, and yet a review of any and all of those documents reveal no such language.

The Big Lie is a cornerstone of modern Republican discourse. ‘Trust but verify’ is, sadly, too charitable.

Madness to the rescue: Don’t Quote Me On That

“Crossing the Delaware 2nite to surprize some bitchezzz! #punkassenglish” - George Washington if he had twitter.

Rep. Phil Gingrey (R-GA) delivers a dramatic re-enactment of every rape controversy since August bit.ly/WJneVG

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) January 11, 2013

Another one.

Rep. Gingrey (R-GA) says its hard for women who are actually raped to get pregnant because they are “tense and uptight” thkpr.gs/VPSyG9

— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) January 11, 2013

re: #212 Gus

Ummm, I didn’t say that.
— George Washington

I thought the most famous Washington quote was:

Hookers and ham sandwiches, so good you just can’t have one

re: #224 erik_t

They learned their history at the feet of David Barton.

re: #190 Mattand

To every conservative that posts here: seriously, people, this is the problem. Right here. Your party and movement are infested with these lunatics, and at best, you guys respond with a No True Republican defense.

This is why you guys lost the Presidency and two Senate seats.

What. The. Fuck.

A+ post, would quote and upding again.

These are the kinds of morons that appeal to the party base because they ARE the party base. They are why the GOP is shrinking and becoming a regional white party.

re: #230 wheat-dogghazi

They learned their history at the feet of David Barton.

Some credit to a group to whom the past is as flexible as the future. Talk about living in the Now.
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re: #228 Gus

Is this yokel married? Does he have a daughter? What a fuckhead.

Rifles, with their spiraled grooves, required a tight-fitting ball, which made it very slow to load. They were reserved for the light infantry and sharpshooters.

Smoothbore muskets could be loaded a lot more quickly, because they could take a looser-fitting ball and could be loaded by simply tapping down on the butt.

Assault rifles did not come about until WWII.

re: #228 Gus

Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD. OB/GYN

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.
—-George Washington’s First Annual Message to Congress (January 8, 1790)

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

Tags at the top:

Nine Inch Nails, Short Film, Video, Vimeo

OMG, you stealthily made me upding Nine Inch Nails! Auuuugh!

re: #235 The Mountain That Blogs

Rep. Phil Gingrey, MD. OB/GYN

A medical doctor? It gets worse.

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
— Hanlon’s razor

re: #236 lawhawk

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

Tweeted that one last night.

GO VIRAL! The REAL George Washington quote. He was against #Outsourcing #tcot #tgdn #p2 #tlot bit.ly/V0isX3 twitpic.com/bu61ey

— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) January 11, 2013

re: #236 lawhawk

By the way, here’s an actual GW quote that is usually the basis for the modified and bogus quotes see elsewhere online:

PBS version.

And the original version as preserved by the Library of Congress’ Washington Papers collection.

Yale Law collection of annual messages.

So yeah, that’s how it’s actually written.

And it is obvious he is talking about things at a national level. That a *country* should have the ability to manufacture sufficient arms and powder, rather than be dependent upon imports from another.

A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well digested plan is requisite: And their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories, as tend to render them independent on others, for essential, particularly for military supplies.

Meaning the entire citizenry, acting together for our interests in common.

re: #226 darthstar

“Crossing the Delaware 2nite to surprize some bitchezzz! #punkassenglish” - George Washington if he had twitter.

Sorry, but that’s Benedict Arnold’s twitter. GW wouldn’t be posting that until after he overruns the Hessians in Trenton.

HOLY FREAKING CRAP

Who is ready for a real American to take the white house back? I am! Why wait 4 years? #PJNET #RedNationRising #TGDN RT!

— #RedNationRising (@AaronProSol) January 11, 2013

re: #241 Feline Fearless Leader

And it is obvious he is talking about things at a national level. That a *country* should have the ability to manufacture sufficient arms and powder, rather than be dependent upon imports from another.

He was totally against outsourcing.

re: #242 jaunte

Meaning the entire citizenry, acting together for our interests in common.

Shorter GW: you guys should put together something like the Pentagon.

We still do that WRT to defense procurement. One reason we don’t buy off the shelf aircraft made by other nations. I forgot the word they use but it’s similar to native production.

re: #246 Gus

Oh look, the 2nd was written about the national defense, not a whiny crank revolt!

re: #248 jaunte

Oh look, the 2nd was written about the national defense, not a whiny crank revolt!

I’m willing to compromise. :D

re: #184 wheat-dogghazi

As I writing teacher, one of my most difficult jobs now is to teach my students not to trust any source they find on the Internet, unless it is clearly an academic site. They really have no concept that most of the shit on the Internet really is shit.

One of the things I used to offer in an attempt to drum up business was information literacy courses, most of which included the section: How to trust your internet sources. Unfortunately, everyone thinks they already know how to trust them. Kinda hard to drum up business with a tagline that amounts to “the customer is wrong.”

re: #247 Gus

We still do that WRT to defense procurement. One reason we don’t buy off the shelf aircraft made by other nations. I forgot the word they use but it’s similar to native production.

I think it’s called ‘because ours are better’.

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