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Video: Breitbrat Ben Shapiro vs. Piers Morgan

Shapiro: “You demonize people by standing on the graves of the children of Sandy Hook”
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Witness the spectacle, if you will, of human-weasel hybrid Ben Shapiro vs. Piers Morgan. Morgan has done more than anyone in mainstream media to publicize the Breitbart-style far right, and I’m not sure that’s a good thing.

The entire right wing blogosphere is giving Shapiro virtual high fives for this belligerent performance; it was a “takedown,” Morgan was “schooled” and “crushed,” “cut down” and “owned” and “humiliated,” etc.

Shapiro’s trying to emulate Andrew Breitbart, obviously, and I must admit he has the smirking self-satisfied assholishness down, yet somehow manages to come off as even more unlikeable than his dead idol.

Putting aside Shapiro’s obnoxious personality, what’s interesting is that he makes it very clear once again that the ultimate right wing rationale behind stockpiling semi-automatic weapons is a loopy paranoid fear that they’re going to need them in an uprising against the US government. Yes, really.

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1 Locker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:11:12pm

Was just viewing this on the CNN site and had a bit of a go in the comments. Nice selection for the front page.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nothing about a tyrannical government. Nope. A militia secures a free state against oppression from other states. How could it secure freedom from itself?

If my right arm doesn’t like what my left arm is doing I have the right to rip it off and beat my head with it!

2 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:11:47pm

There are right wing nutjobs in the movers and shakers of the internet that are crazier, or more unhinged, or less rational, but there are none who are out-and-out creepier than Ben Shapiro.

3 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:15:28pm

How long before some politician proposes an individual mandate for firearms and propose a tax for those who don’t buy in.

I say that in half jest, because any such proposal would necessarily require far more regulation and invasive checking of firearms than is currently present or amenable to the right and the NRA.

4 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:17:18pm

There’s really something not right in these people’s heads.

In the very same sentence, Shapiro accuses Morgan of demonizing political opponents and then says he’s “standing on the graves of the children of Sandy Hook.”

5 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:17:30pm
… he makes it very clear once again that the ultimate right wing rationale behind stockpiling semi-automatic weapons is a loopy paranoid fear that they’re going to need them in an uprising against the US government.

I argued against this at PJ Media for a while the last couple of weeks.

They really don’t like people who apply actual reasoning instead of rationalizing their predetermined conclusions.

6 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:19:00pm

There’s a live boy or dead goat somewhere in Shapiro’s closet. He looks like he’s 12.

7 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:19:10pm

Morgan is a wounded animal at this point. He lost most of Larry King’s already dwindling audience, and now gets half of Rachel Maddow’s viewership on a GOOD night. He is, in short, willing to do or say ANYTHING to keep his show on the air. The right wingers high fiving each other over the “triumphant” appearances of their heroes are giving Morgan EXACTLY what he sought from these bookings…call it symbiosis of the stupid.

8 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:20:10pm

I am so tired of hearing wingnuts call everyone that disagrees with them bullies, that is a joke.

9 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:20:33pm

General Washington, who has various false quotes about guns floating around, put down the Whiskey Rebellion. Our founding fathers had no truck with armed anti-tax rebels.

By the way, the Wiki article was clearly gotten to by some hardcore revisionist conservative:

The Whiskey Rebellion, or Whiskey Insurrection, was a tax protest in the United States beginning in 1791, during the presidency of George Washington. Farmers who used their leftover grain and corn in the form of whiskey as a medium of exchange were forced to pay a new tax. The tax was a part of treasury secretary Alexander Hamilton’s program to increase central government power, in particular to fund his policy of assuming the war debt of those states which had failed to pay. The farmers who resisted, many war veterans, were fighting for the principles of the American Revolution, in particular against taxation without local representation.

Yeah, because President Washington, elected with the votes of the whole country, somehow was the same as not having any voting power at all in the British Empire.

10 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:20:39pm

re: #3 lawhawk

How long before some politician proposes an individual mandate for firearms and propose a tax for those who don’t buy in.

I say that in half jest, because any such proposal would necessarily require far more regulation and invasive checking of firearms than is currently present or amenable to the right and the NRA.

There was a town that passed an ordinance requiring residents to be armed years ago. I don’t believe they actually enforced it though.

11 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:21:31pm
12 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:22:53pm

re: #1 Locker

Was just viewing this on the CNN site and had a bit of a go in the comments. Nice selection for the front page.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nothing about a tyrannical government. Nope. A militia secures a free state against oppression from other states. How could it secure freedom from itself?

If my right arm doesn’t like what my left arm is doing I have the right to rip it off and beat my head with it!

In fact, the Constitution specifically authorizes Congress to call up the militia to suppress insurrection; so the purpose served by the 2d Amendment is the exact opposite of what gun nuts claim.

13 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:23:18pm

re: #11 lawhawk

“Gingrich Productions”

Haha.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:24:27pm
15 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:24:57pm

re: #12 aagcobb

In fact, the Constitution specifically authorizes Congress to call up the militia to suppress insurrection; so the purpose served by the 2d Amendment is the exact opposite of what gun nuts claim.

And in fact the militia was called up to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion.

17 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:26:08pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

ha ha ha ha

18 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:26:14pm

re: #15 Obdicut

And in fact the militia was called up to suppress the Whiskey Rebellion.

Well, what does George Washington know about the actual intent of the founding fathers?/

19 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:26:57pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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As with most gun-nuts, they’re typically people who are actual terrified by most things in life, and the desire to own military-grade weaponry is just a projection of that fear. If the military or law enforcement ever came for them or their guns, they’d fire in panic or flee in terror.

20 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:27:07pm

re: #11 lawhawk

And then I found this article that posits the firearms fatalities rates per capita against the permissive firearms laws of those states. Curious how states with permissive gun control laws have higher rates than those who have strict gun control laws.

21 aagcobb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:27:38pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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Ask a few hundred thousand Confederate battle casualties how good an idea it is to rebel against federal authority.

22 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:27:47pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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How, exactly, do they expect to do better than the armies of the confederacy in [the] 1860s, now that we have not just tanks but things like aircraft?

23 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:28:37pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Tanks

You’re welcome.

24 blueraven  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:28:41pm

re: #11 lawhawk

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Maybe if they could gain better control over straw purchases, the numbers would be less.

25 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:28:53pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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One other word: Grozny.

26 SmithCommaJohn  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:31:04pm
he makes it very clear once again that the ultimate right wing rationale behind stockpiling semi-automatic weapons is a loopy paranoid fear that they’re going to need them in an uprising against the US government.

I don’t think that this is something they fear. These people seem to actively fantasize about participating in some kind of armed “revolution” against the government. Presumably, they envision it playing out like Red Dawn. They think it would be exciting and fun.

Maybe they should take a break from the 80’s action movies, and go spend a week in Syria, and then we’ll see how fun they think such a conflict would be.

27 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:33:39pm

re: #26 SmithCommaJohn

Or spend time in Turkey, Jordan, or Lebanon, where hundreds of thousands of refugees have fled to avoid being caught in the crossfire between rebels who have become increasingly armed with army weapons, and Assad’s loyalists who have no problem firing on civilians. In the process, 60k+ have been killed. Entire cities have been ravaged.

28 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:34:15pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

One other word: Grozny.

Only if the Tea Party wants the northern Mountain states.

29 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:34:39pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

Grozny?

How was Grozny crushed? Missiles? Tanks?

30 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:35:12pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

SHAPIRO’S PERFORMANCE ON CNN MARKS TURNING POINT IN GUN DEBATE!!!

From the comments
Most Leftists hate being outed as Leftists, or that the idea they are supporting is Leftist or Left-

Lets compare that to the number of Republicans or Wingnuts that identify themselves as Independents because they’re to embarrassed to call themselves Republicans.

31 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:35:14pm

re: #27 lawhawk

Or spend time in Turkey, Jordan, or Lebanon, where hundreds of thousands of refugees have fled to avoid being caught in the crossfire between rebels who have become increasingly armed with army weapons, and Assad’s loyalists who have no problem firing on civilians. In the process, 60k+ have been killed. Entire cities have been ravaged.

And those governments don’t exactly have 500 billion+ dollars a year in military strength and advanced weaponry.

32 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:35:23pm

OK, you all FORCED me to go look for it…
[Link: monkeyunderground.files.wordpress.com…]

33 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:36:23pm

re: #29 stabby

Grozny?

How was Grozny crushed? Missiles? Tanks?

Artillery. The Russian tanks did very poorly in an urban environment.

34 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:38:13pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

I see. And what caliber gun do you need to deflect artillery shell?

Or are you arguing that the 2nd amendment means everyone should have the right to collect heavy artillery?

35 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:38:59pm

re: #29 stabby

Grozny?

How was Grozny crushed? Missiles? Tanks?

He’s referencing how the outgunned, out-armed, and out-numberd chechyans held off the russian army. Notionally it’s a model for Tea Party vs the US. As I hinted, it ignores the fact the Chechyans had a massive terrain advantage. Add they also had a near-unified population and were receiving support from other Islamic nations. The Tea Party may have the near-unified population, but not where they have terrain advantages.

One more add to this. The Chechyans post-USSR are not well off economically. Better to be free and starving…

36 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:39:38pm

re: #32 Dancing along the light of day

OK, you all FORCED me to go look for it…
[Link: monkeyunderground.files.wordpress.com…]

That’s an Armored Personnel Carrier, not a tank. But thank you for playing and here’s big helping of Cute as a parting gift:

[Link: www.zooborns.com…]

37 Awea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:39:47pm

What I find so funny, is the “Right’s” view on absolutely no restrictions to the 2nd Amendment so they can defend themselves from the our military if our government becomes tyrannical. Yet, wishes no restrictions when it comes to funding the same military, so they can be the most powerful.

38 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:40:21pm

re: #35 kirkspencer

Should have also noted the holding off was temporary. Chechnya was eventually crushed - by artillery, as D_F notes.

39 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:41:15pm

re: #37 Awea

They also go totally nuts if a black rapper starts talking about shooting the cops the exact same way they fantasize doing it.

It’s revolution only for lily white christian guys.

40 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:41:34pm

So after years of exploiting a national tragedy to deprive Americans and foreign nationals of basic human rights and engage in behavior we tried men at Nuremberg for, they have the gall to accuse anyone angry over Sandy Hook and prior shootings of exploiting a tragedy?

Mr. Shapiro, kindly go fuck yourself.

41 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:41:55pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Artillery. The Russian tanks did very poorly in an urban environment.

Gun bunnies always win. Especially with airburst or anti-personnel FASCAM…

42 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:42:38pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Artillery. The Russian tanks did very poorly in an urban environment.

After years in Iraq, I’m sure the US military’s urban warfare tactics are a lot more advanced than just using tanks.

43 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:42:44pm

re: #38 kirkspencer

Should have also noted the holding off was temporary. Chechnya was eventually crushed - by artillery, as D_F notes.

The temporary holding-off was, of course, after a complete collapse of Soviet control and the formation of a provisional Chechen government and presumably the seizure of considerable ex-Soviet war materiel.

I’m not even sure what sort of point D_F is attempting to make here.

44 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:43:10pm

re: #35 kirkspencer

Were the Chechyans also responsible for the Beslan massacre?

It all comes full circle, mass child murder at school to support gun rights.

45 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:43:22pm

re: #39 stabby

They also go totally nuts if a black rapper starts talking about shooting the cops the exact same way they fantasize doing it.

It’s revolution only for lily white christian guys.

“Only the white man can profit from pain. White man makes cigarettes, kills hundreds of thousands. Nothin’. Can you imagine how illegal a pack of Newports would be if the Phillip Morris family was a bunch of jerry-curled ni-CLANGS from Mississippi? White man makes guns, kill thousands of people each year. Nothin’. Black rapper says gun - Congressional hearing.”

Paraphrased from a Chris Rock special.

46 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:43:34pm

re: #35 kirkspencer

He’s referencing how the outgunned, out-armed, and out-numberd chechyans held off the russian army. Notionally it’s a model for Tea Party vs the US. As I hinted, it ignores the fact the Chechyans had a massive terrain advantage. Add they also had a near-unified population and were receiving support from other Islamic nations. The Tea Party may have the near-unified population, but not where they have terrain advantages.

One more add to this. The Chechyans post-USSR are not well off economically. Better to be free and starving…

What an ideal place to use Drones. //

47 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:43:47pm

re: #41 William Barnett-Lewis

Gun bunnies always win. Especially with airburst or anti-personnel FASCAM…

Airburst isn’t good against foes with overhead protection. You need contact-fused shells to destroy the structure in which they are hiding.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:44:35pm

re: #43 erik_t

The temporary holding-off was, of course, after a complete collapse of Soviet control and the formation of a provisional Chechen government and presumably the seizure of considerable ex-Soviet war materiel.

I’m not even sure what sort of point D_F is attempting to make here.

Charles said “One word: tanks.” I was making clear it isn’t that simple.

49 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:44:48pm

re: #43 erik_t

The temporary holding-off was, of course, after a complete collapse of Soviet control and the formation of a provisional Chechen government and presumably the seizure of considerable ex-Soviet war materiel.

I’m not even sure what sort of point D_F is attempting to make here.

Yeah, that had a lot to do with it. When the rebels are being provided gear, either what they scrounged or what they have shipped in from outside help, it’s easy to at least hold off a superior force for awhile. Of course, if you want to see what’s more likely to happen if these dipshits decide to “rise up” against the government, wiki “Ruby Ridge” and “Waco.”

50 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:44:51pm

Conversation has devolved into who can quote the greater volume of militaryfap esoterica.

Imagine my shock.

51 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:45:07pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

Airburst isn’t good against foes with overhead protection. You need contact-fused shells to destroy the structure in which they are hiding.

As an Infantry NCO, I know what I feared far more…

52 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:45:47pm

re: #21 aagcobb

Ask a few hundred thousand Confederate battle casualties how good an idea it is to rebel against federal authority.

There’s a show on cable now that’s a pretty good simulation of how the future anti-federal rebellion will go. It’s called Moonshiners.

53 stabby  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:46:16pm

gtg bye yall

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:47:50pm

What DF was saying is that not even Grozney could hold out because even though the Russian tanks were ineffective, their artillery was.

Doesn’t much matter, since in the US the police have more than enough firepower to clean up the Teabaggers if they try. It won’t get to the point of needing to use the military.

55 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:48:53pm

Personally, I’d like to put two questions to Mr. Shapiro:

1) Is there any gun control you do support?
2) If yes, why do you support it?

56 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:49:07pm

re: #51 William Barnett-Lewis

As an Infantry NCO, I know what I feared far more…

True, but most of the time infantry don’t have overhead protection, so airburst is the better fusing for artillery shells. Urban and anti-bunker/fortress operations are limited exceptions to the rule.

57 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:49:27pm
58 Carlos Machina  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:50:06pm

It is odd that many of those on the right argue simultaneously for a stronger (more expensive) military and the right to possess much inferior firepower in order to oppose the military they’re constantly strengthening.

59 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:50:46pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Just ask the Indians…ooops.

60 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:51:05pm

Tyranny is easiest to accomplished with a diseducated public.

61 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:51:35pm

re: #42 Lidane

After years in Iraq, I’m sure the US military’s urban warfare tactics are a lot more advanced than just using tanks.

Lot’s of stuff was done..Jordan told me they used a ton of silly string in Fallujah. They would kick down the door then spray the silly string to see where the trip wires were in the room. Saved many Marines from booby traps rigged up

62 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:51:48pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

There is no way in hell that a heavily armed group of weekend warriors is going to take down the power and weaponry of the US military. Not. Gonna. Happen. This isn’t Russia or Bosnia or anywhere else. We spend more than the rest of the world combined on military might, heavily armed yahoos hoarding ammo and high powered weapons could start trying now and would NEVER be able to outgun the military.

63 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:51:56pm

re: #60 jaunte

Tyranny is easiest to accomplished with a diseducated public.

Beat me to it.

64 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:07pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

The starting point for Republican discourse is the assumption that the government is always merely the slightest gust of wind from a collapse into a fascist hell.

Small wonder these people want to starve the federal government into nonexistence, I guess. At least it’s consistent.

65 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:08pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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You can’t argue with a true believer. In that echo chamber of theirs they really believe that Obama is “just the same” as Hitler.

This has been tweeted like a bazillion times:


(I like how they use the puppet Kim from Team America)

66 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:20pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Well, unless they’re going to allow civilian purchases of nuclear weapons, aircraft, and armored cavalry…what’s the point?

67 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:20pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

*headdesk*

Dear Gun Fetishists,

Once more, with feeling: OBAMA ISN’T GOING TO TAKE YER GUNZ. Calm the fuck down already.

Gun control and/or regulation =/= gun confiscation.

Morons.

No love,
Me

68 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:36pm

By the way, gun nuts? If you think your Bushmaster AR15 is going to help you resist the US Army in a revolution, one word: tanks.

and to which i will add what i said previously:

what good are guns when we have already given away our 4th amendment rights to privacy in our personal communications and records to the federal government?

lissen, gun nutz - u hev been distracted from your actual loss of freedom by fearmongering about yer gunz!

69 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:37pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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Where is this Tyranny all these people keep going on about, The most Tyranny I see is coming from them the Party they vote for.

70 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:52:45pm

re: #60 jaunte

Tyranny is easiest to accomplished with a diseducated public.

QFT.

71 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:53:11pm

re: #60 jaunte

Tyranny is easiest to accomplished with a diseducated public.

i’m de-educated, msself

72 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:53:21pm

re: #19 Ghost of Tom Joad

As with most gun-nuts, they’re typically people who are actual terrified by most things in life, and the desire to own military-grade weaponry is just a projection of that fear. If the military or law enforcement ever came for them or their guns, they’d fire in panic or flee in terror.

Fear, fear of the black drug addict breaking into their home, raping their women and taking away their manhood, fear of a black president’s troops breaking in to take away his manhood (guns), fear of Arab extremists breaking in to take his Christianity away.

The US has a culture of fear, there will always be people that are susceptible to this culture.

73 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:53:42pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I’m wondering why with the USA being so exceptional and all, and having the bestest democracy and all, why are these right wing nutters so shit scared of their government?

74 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:54:23pm

re: #73 Usually refered to as anyways

I’m wondering why with the USA being so exceptional and all, and having the bestest democracy and all, why are these right wing nutters so shit scared of their government?

Because black President, that’s why.

75 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:54:38pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

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See, that’s actually the thing.

In their eyes tyranny of and by the federal government is inevitable. Eventually they will have to start over, and part of starting over will mean ridding ourselves of the existing system, paying in blood and pain. Guns will mean the bad guys spend more while the good guys spend less.

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:54:40pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

There is no way in hell that a heavily armed group of weekend warriors is going to take down the power and weaponry of the US military. Not. Gonna. Happen. This isn’t Russia or Bosnia or anywhere else. We spend more than the rest of the world combined on military might, heavily armed yahoos hoarding ammo and high powered weapons could start trying now and would NEVER be able to outgun the military.

Which is why Step 2 in “How Things Go Down” will always involve the US Army joining the revolt or there being the equivalent of 5th Columnists who are simply going to allow Army and Nat. Guard armories to fall into their hands like ripe fruit to supply the heavy weapons and other trappings necessary to even start opposing a modern military.

77 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:55:26pm

re: #73 Usually refered to as anyways

They’re worried what Lili von Shtupp said was twue.

78 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:56:31pm

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

Hilter, Castro, Qaddafi, Stalin, Amin, Mao, Pol Pot, Lil’ Kim

Quoting eight pictures. Of this list, by my count, at least five of the eight overthrew a vaguely stable and non-evil government with an armed popular uprising and installed a horrific murderous dictatorship with their, oh I dunno, vaguely organized militia.

The irony is legitimately staggering.

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:56:59pm

re: #77 jaunte

They’re worried what Lili von Shtupp said was twue.

80 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:57:02pm

These paranoid fools are the same types who would unquestionably approve $2T to give to the military for them to spend as they wish. Sure. An AR-15 will keep them safe from the Military Industrial Complex.

81 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:57:46pm

re: #67 Lidane

*headdesk*

Dear Cat Fetishists,

Once more, with feeling: OBAMA ISN’T GOING TO TAKE YER KATZZ. Calm the fuck down already.

Cat control =/= cat confiscation.

Morons.

No love,
Me

huhwhut?

82 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:58:38pm

re: #78 erik_t

Quoting eight pictures. Of this list, by my count, at least five of the eight overthrew a vaguely stable and non-evil government with an armed popular uprising and installed a horrific murderous dictatorship with their, oh I dunno, vaguely organized militia.

The irony is legitimately staggering.

Yeha, that’s what’s I always love, this fantasy they have where the military is going to join them in launching a treasonous coup to remove the democratically elected government and then…what? The military’s gonna turn everything over them? Put the rebels in power to rule as they liked?

83 Batman  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 1:59:22pm

I almost want to see the government become tyrannical just to see Shapiro face down the largest military in history with an AR-15.

84 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:00:39pm

The NRA and the Gun Industry has really played these paranoid fools like a golden stringed violin.

85 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:01:59pm

re: #84 Tigger2

The NRA and the Gun Industry has really played these paranoid fools like golden stringed violin.

Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate… leads to purchases.

86 allegro  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:03:03pm

re: #72 Jolo5309

Fear, fear of the black drug addict breaking into their home, raping their women and taking away their manhood, fear of a black president’s troops breaking in to take away his manhood (guns), fear of Arab extremists breaking in to take his Christianity away.

The US has a culture of fear, there will always be people that are susceptible to this culture.

I think it’s fear that Obama is gonna take away guns from white people to give to black people to wreak vengeance on whitey. White guys are always fearful of black/brown guys having guns. How many said Trayvon would be alive now if he’d had a gun? Ditto the Sikh temple murders.

88 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:03:48pm

re: #83 Batman

I almost want to see the government become tyrannical just to see Shapiro face down the largest military in history with an AR-15.

but we discount the methods of the modern state

if there were really a tyrannical state out to get ben shapiro (the, um, powerful rebel militia leader fighting for freedom???!?), he would find himself broke, discredited in the media, and locked away down the memory hole in a cell in guantanamo before he ever knew what hit him, much less get ahold of his AR

89 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:04:47pm
90 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:05:06pm
91 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:05:42pm

re: #89 Lidane

The school district will pay for the employees to undergo a two-day training class in mid March, when instructors with the Tactical Defense Institute of West Union, Ohio, will give them a defense class on handgun use in Montpelier.

They’ll be highly trained!

92 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:06:28pm

re: #78 erik_t

Quoting eight pictures. Of this list, by my count, at least five of the eight overthrew a vaguely stable and non-evil government with an armed popular uprising and installed a horrific murderous dictatorship with their, oh I dunno, vaguely organized militia.

The irony is legitimately staggering.

Stalin succeeded Lenin to power, and Kim Jong-Il succeeded his father. Chiang Kai-Shek’s Kumintang government had been badly destabilized by the Japanese invasion of China (and the KMT had no small amount of evil in it), Castro overthrew Bastista (who was fairly evil, just not horrifically so) and Hitler’s becoming chancellor in Germany was the result of political maneuvering, not a popular uprising. Only in the cases of Idi Amin, Qaddafi, and Pol Pot was a really non-evil regime overthrown and only in the first two cases was it stable (the Lon Nol government was under intense Communist pressure right from the start).

93 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:06:45pm
The best defense against tyranny in a modern nation is to have an army that will not obey any would-be tyrant.

Bingo. Hence Nixon/Kissinger’s need to have Chile’s General Rene Schneider murdered. He was loyal to the death to Chile’s constitution, and would have crushed any coup attempt against Allende.

On that note, how come we never hear about what gun laws were like in Chile in the 1970s from the gun nuts? Is it because so many of them still admire the killer and supporter of international terrorism, Augusto Pinochet.

94 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:09:08pm

Damien

95 dragonath  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:09:19pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Obviously Weimar Germany was the bestest government ever because people could have armed paramilitary gangs.

96 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:10:15pm

re: #65 Vicious Babushka

You can’t argue with a true believer. In that echo chamber of theirs they really believe that Obama is “just the same” as Hitler.

This has been tweeted like a bazillion times:

[Embedded content]

(I like how they use the puppet Kim from Team America)

I was reading some of the Tweets addressed to you WRT fake quotes and they’re hopeless.

97 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:11:19pm

re: #86 allegro

I think it’s fear that Obama is gonna take away guns from white people to give to black people to wreak vengeance on whitey. White guys are always fearful of black/brown guys having guns. How many said Trayvon would be alive now if he’d had a gun? Ditto the Sikh temple murders.

Yes, fear of people of different skin colour (blacks). I am not sure, have I mentioned that the US media for years built up a fear of “black gangs” and “black violence” and “Black Panthers”?

PS
It is fear of black people, and now you have a black president.

98 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:11:27pm

Hilarious. Breitbots trying to talk about bullying. Pot meet kettle.

99 allegro  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:11:27pm

re: #91 jaunte

They’ll be highly trained!

These always crack me up. I shot at targets a lot - in fact, I was required to spend a minimum 2 hours a month (paid on work time, it was fun) at the range shooting at paper targets. After a few months, I was pretty good, lovely tight patterns most of the time.

Then I had to shoot at a living, moving target. It wasn’t even shooting back. Comedy ensued.

100 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:11:41pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Stalin succeeded Lenin to power, and Kim Jong-Il succeeded his father. Chiang Kai-Shek’s Kumintang government had been badly destabilized by the Japanese invasion of China (and the KMT had no small amount of evil in it), Castro overthrew Bastista (who was fairly evil, just not horrifically so) and Hitler’s becoming chancellor in Germany was the result of political maneuvering, not a popular uprising. Only in the cases of Idi Amin, Qaddafi, and Pol Pot was a really non-evil regime overthrown and only in the first two cases was it stable (the Lon Nol government was under intense Communist pressure right from the start).

i just finished the fascinating biography Young Stalin

in 1917, the different factions, that is mostly kerensky vs the soviets vs the bolsheviks, allied themselves with and manipulated various armed military units, but in the end it was not really arms or gunplay that brought down kerensky and installed lenin

101 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:12:18pm

How America (including the Obama regime) creates fake terrorist plots.

Inside the Terror Factory

Award-winning journalist Trevor Aaronson digs deep into the FBI’s massive efforts to create fake terrorist plots.

102 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:12:22pm

The Washington Post’s Erik Wemple was very impressed with Shep.

Piers Morgan Accused of Exploiting Newtown

103 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:12:58pm

re: #98 Gus

Hilarious. Breitbots trying to talk about bullying. Pot meet kettle.

Hey now, it’s just part of being a kid and there’s no reason to stop it!

///

104 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:13:05pm

re: #102 Charles Johnson

The Washington Post’s Erik Wemple was very impressed with Shep.

Piers Morgan Accused of Exploiting Newtown

WHAT IS WITH ALL OF THESE ASSHOLES NAMED ERIK

105 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:15:57pm

If Shapiro believes the 2nd amendment is about resistance to government tyranny, does he ever explain who does the “well regulated” bit?

106 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:16:36pm

re: #105 jaunte

If Shapiro believes the 2nd amendment is about resistance to government tyranny, does he ever explain who does the “well regulated” bit?

Question: 2nd amendment is about resistance to government tyranny?

Answer: NO

107 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:17:22pm

re: #105 jaunte

If Shapiro believes the 2nd amendment is about resistance to government tyranny, does he ever explain who does the “well regulated” bit?

You didn’t hear? Post-Heller, everything about “militia” is kaput.

//

108 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:17:33pm

The people that talk the biggest about free access to firearms and insurrection also talk about how the would political power to strip away any rights or representation from “liberals” and other groups they hate. Do you think that, given genuine power, they would limit guns to their tribe of true believers? They talk openly about fucking everyone else out of all their other civil liberties….

109 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:18:23pm

re: #106 Gus

I think these people are rewriting history and reinterpreting the Constitution so no one will take their blankie.

110 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:18:29pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

How America (including the Obama regime) creates fake terrorist plots.

Inside the Terror Factory

Wasn’t that a movie on The LifeTime Channel??

A young lady, innocent and naive, unknowingly gets caught up in a plot to destroy the very fabric of the nation. Only her secret love for the one man that can stop this can save the country!
//

..

111 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:19:14pm

re: #109 jaunte

I think these people are rewriting history and reinterpreting the Constitution so no one will take their blankie.

They’re passing around fake quotes. David Barton is their historian.

112 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:19:42pm

re: #91 jaunte

They’ll be highly trained!

Two days of training, then letting them carry loaded weapons on a school campus.

TWO. DAYS. And that’s two work days, which is 16 hours, tops, plus lunch and breaks.

Ohio state law requires BOTH a formal, state certified driver’s education course PLUS another 50 hours of supervised driving for a teenager to get a driver’s license:

[Link: www.drivertraining.ohio.gov…] (PDF link)

Let that sink in a moment.

113 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:20:08pm

re: #112 Lidane

It’s insane.

114 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:20:54pm

re: #110 sattv4u2

Wasn’t that a movie on The LifeTime Channel??

A young lady, innocent and naive, unknowingly gets caught up in a plot to destroy the very fabric of the nation. Only her secret love for the one man that can stop this can save the country!
//

..

At first I thought it was some sort of fiction piece but I think they’re serious.

115 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:20:59pm

Hmm. Ben Shapiro imitated Piers Morgan by doing a bad British accent. Classy.

116 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:21:33pm

re: #115 Gus

Hmm. Ben Shapiro imitated Piers Morgan by doing a bad British accent. Classy.

“Derp. James Derp.”

117 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:21:51pm

re: #114 Killgore Trout

At first I thought it was some sort of fiction piece but I think they’re serious.

Sadly, it appears so

118 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:23:17pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Well, those rocks are just as effective against a tank as your pea shooter 15.
Your argument is invalid.

119 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:23:51pm

re: #105 jaunte

If Shapiro believes the 2nd amendment is about resistance to government tyranny, does he ever explain who does the “well regulated” bit?

Me’thinks they’re leaning more on the the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. part

120 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:26:45pm

Okay. Neighbors just called and they have to cancel coming over for dinner (the wife isn’t feeling well)

Anyone want to stop by in say, oh an hour and a half? Stuffed mushrooms, Garden salad, my wifes famous meat loaf, mashed taters, corn and a nice warm french bread

121 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:26:50pm

re: #95 dragonath

Obviously Weimar Germany was the bestest government ever because people could have armed paramilitary gangs.

Don’t an ass.

122 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:27:12pm

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

NASHVILLE, Tenn.- Tennessee Department of Safety and Homeland Security has suspended the handgun carry permit of a local man who threatened to “start killing people” to protect his Second Amendment right.

In a statement released Friday officials said they had suspended the handgun carry permit of James Yeager, CEO of Tactical Response based on “material likelihood of risk of harm to the public”.

On Thursday, a video of Yeager angrily claiming he would “start killing people” if President Barack Obama moved forward with gun control measures began to go viral on the internet.

Continues.

123 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:29:08pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

Acceptable half-measure. Why don’t we get a terrorist threats whatever arrest?

124 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:29:20pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

Oh, this should go over well.

125 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:29:59pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

SEE? PROOF OBAMA IZ TAKING OUR GUNZ! TYRANNY! ELEVENTY! AGENDA 21!

/Twitter derp

126 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:30:24pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

How about a psych eval as well?

127 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:30:25pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

He looks totally harmless!!! No menace or malice in THOSE eyes,,, nosireebob!!!
/

129 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:30:55pm

Ben Shapiro doesn’t like to be called absurd, because his “we need our assault weapons to resist tyranny” argument is absurd and idiotic.

130 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:32:22pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

Okay. Neighbors just called and they have to cancel coming over for dinner (the wife isn’t feeling well)

Anyone want to stop by in say, oh an hour and a half? Stuffed mushrooms, Garden salad, my wifes famous meat loaf, mashed taters, corn and a nice warm french bread

Can you hold off a few hours, its a 13+ hour flight?
I’ll bring some wine.

131 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:32:30pm

re: #127 sattv4u2

He looks totally harmless!!! No menace or malice in THOSE eyes,,, nosireebob!!!
/

Dude’s a freak. Another example of someone giving gun rights advocates a bad image. He’s one minor head bump away from becoming a full blown sovereign citizen nut.

132 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:32:34pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

So…
What’s the NRA’s response to this nut?
I’d wager…
Silence.
Deafening silence.

133 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:32:36pm

re: #122 Gus

Boom!

State Suspends Permit Of Man In Gun Control Rage Video

Bravo, Tennessee!

re: #124 Targetpractice

Oh, this should go over well.

I can only imagine the massive meltdown. And he’ll blame everyone but himself.

134 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:33:13pm

re: #126 Bubblehead II

How about a psych eval as well?

White van. White coats. Padded room. :O

135 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:04pm

“Don’t murder unless it’s necessary” was my takeaway from his last video.

136 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:08pm

re: #126 Bubblehead II

How about a psych eval as well?

No, no. This is not at all the kind of “mental illness” that puts you on a Wayne LaPierre’s list of dangerous people.

This is patriotic fury bubbling over.

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:10pm

re: #134 Gus

White van. White coats. Padded room. :O

Park one of these across the street from him.
Just for kicks.
Image: fbimobilecommandcentervehicle.jpg

138 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:14pm

re: #100 engineer cat

The archival version shows that parties of Bolshevik operatives sent out from the Smolny by Lenin took over all critical centers of power in Petrograd in the early hours of the night without a shot being fired. In fact the effectively unoccupied Winter Palace also was taken bloodlessly by a small group which broke in, got lost in the cavernous interior, and accidentally happened upon the remnants of Kerensky’s provisional government in the imperial family’s breakfast room. The illiterate revolutionaries then compelled those arrested to write up their own arrest papers. The stories of the “defense of the Winter Palace” and the heroic “Storming of the Winter Palace” came later as the creative propaganda product of Bolshevik publicists.

139 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:21pm

“…While the agents who screen you make between about $25,000 and $40,000 (according to the TSA’s pay bands, the lowest-paid TSA employee makes $17,083), the Butler County guards will be making $10,455 a year, minus any administrative costs.”

140 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:23pm

re: #130 Usually refered to as anyways

Can you hold off a few hours, its a 13+ hour flight?
I’ll bring some wine.

Okay, but the meatloaf will be either
A) cold after being OUT of the oven that long
OR
B) very dried out after being IN the oven that long

141 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:34:56pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

Lunch leftovers tomorrow!
For the WIN!

142 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:35:09pm

re: #133 CuriousLurker

Bravo, Tennessee!

re: #124 Targetpractice

I can only imagine the massive meltdown. And he’ll blame everyone but himself.

Agreed. Tennessee was right to pull his CCW permit, as he has just proven himself unfit to carry a firearm in public. Violent rage-boys are not responsible people.

143 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:35:16pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Park one of these across the street from him.
Just for kicks.
Image: fbimobilecommandcentervehicle.jpg

That sinking feeling. /

144 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:35:28pm

re: #134 Gus

White van. White coats. Padded room. :O

Thorazine drip.

145 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:35:36pm

Rage Video

life is hard, people get frustrated, rage happens

people with no morals try to direct it and exploit it for their own ends

146 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:36:23pm

re: #136 The Ghost of a Flea

No, no. This is not at all the kind of “mental illness” that puts you on a Wayne LaPierre’s list of dangerous people.

This is patriotic jingoistic fury bubbling over.

FTFY

148 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:37:09pm

re: #140 sattv4u2

Okay, but the meatloaf will be either
A) cold after being OUT of the oven that long
OR
B) very dried out after being IN the oven that long

I’ll go the cold meatloaf.

149 Slap  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:38:55pm

re: #70 Ghost of Tom Joad

QFT.

Yu mispeld kwift.

150 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:40:26pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

And the Libyans could have totally kicked the Romans out.

151 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:40:31pm

This should help!
Iranian president invites Egypt’s Morsi to visit Tehran
[Link: news.xinhuanet.com…]

Salehi said Iran urged finding a peaceful solution for the Syrian crisis and rejected any foreign interference in Syria’s affairs, while Amr also called for an urgent solution to end the misery of the Syrian people, expressing belief that “Iran will have a big role in solving the crisis.

HOLD THE WEDDIN

“rejected any FOREIGN interference in Syria ,,,,,” ,,, BUT ,,,, “Iran will have a big roll”

I’m sure they want too!!

152 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:40:54pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Park one of these across the street from him.
Just for kicks.
Image: fbimobilecommandcentervehicle.jpg

To obvious. Something more along the lines of this. With dark tinted windows and several antennas.

Image: 76Van.jpg

153 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:41:45pm
154 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:42:15pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

I’m not gonna click that link. The DERP is liable to be intense and the EPIC FAIL extremely painful to behold. Best not even to click, since what has been Seen cannot be Unseen (though that should be told to Harmony Gold as often as possible).

155 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:42:33pm

re: #152 Bubblehead II

Subtlety; I haz none.

156 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:42:38pm

re: #150 jaunte

And the Libyans could have totally kicked the Romans out.

just think, if vercingetorix had only been armed with AKs, he would have been able to stop julius caesar’s tanks and APCs

157 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:43:43pm

re: #156 engineer cat

just think, if vercingetorix had only been armed with AKs, he would have been able to stop julius caesar’s tanks and APCs

I came, I DERPed, I FAILed.

158 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:44:59pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Subtlety; I haz none.

A phrase in Lolcat for which there really isn’t a lolcat pic, for subtlety is generally a strong suit with cats.

159 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:45:21pm

re: #156 engineer cat

just think, if vercingetorix had only been armed with AKs, he would have been able to stop julius caesar’s tanks and APCs

160 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:47:59pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Subtlety; I haz none.

Well Death Stars and Star Destroyers have there uses I guess. But some times you can get better results with a Lamda class shuttle you know.

161 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:48:31pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

Pro-Gun Advocate: Arming Black People Would Have Prevented Slavery

…so the slaves should have been issued guns before they were put on the boats from Africa and the Caribbean?

…or they were supposed to buy guns (from not-possibly racist) white merchants with all their savings?

…and there totally weren’t laws on the books that involved death penalties for people found guilty of aiding slave rebellion, by, say, selling them weapons. [Note: there were…but wait there’s more! In the South your mail could searched and you could imprisoned and even executed for supsected abolitionist activity. Until Emancipation civil liberties had a sizable footnote after them reading “your freedoms don’t count if you have anything bad to say slavery, or try and reach out to the enslaved.”]

…and, you know, it’s not like any act of rebellion instantaneously forfeited the lives of your friends and family, to say nothing of retributive acts of rape and torture. Because slaves weren’t, you know, desperately isolated by ignorance of their surroundings, illiteracy, and the continuous fear of arbitrary violent acts by Southern whites.

…but fuck it, MOAR GUNZ. Asshats

162 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:48:54pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

Reminds me of the awful scurrilous Dredd Scott mention…


Dred Scott v. Sandford (1857)[4] - The court ruled Scott did not enjoy the protection of the Bill of Rights because of his racial background. However, in its ruling, it implies all free men do have the right to bear arms by indicating what would happen if he was indeed afforded full protection:

“It would give to persons of the negro race, … the right to enter every other State whenever they pleased, … the full liberty of speech in public and in private upon all subjects upon which its own citizens might speak; to hold public meetings upon political affairs, and to keep and carry arms wherever they went.”

163 palomino  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:49:00pm

Why are a few restrictions (waiting periods, databases, background checks) and even a few bans (ARs and high capacity mags) incompatible with the 2nd Amendment? Certainly no one’s right to self-defense is compromised if they are “limited” to owning all the other types of firearms available besides high capacity ARs. (That is unless you think Russia is planning to invade your house.)

Shapiro really shows his nuttiness when he begins talking about tyranny taking over America in 50-100 years (where did he get those numbers…his ass, I suppose). Even more irrationally, he seems to believe that ARs in civilian hands could be the crucial line of defense that prevents the establishment of such a tyranny. But if a tyrannical govt does arise and attempts to impose a dictatorship, the overall number of ARs in America is very unlikely to be the deciding factor. All the other types of weapons currently owned by civilians will do just as well, which means not well at all against the world’s most powerful military…a few thousand more ARs won’t tip the balance.

Shapiro’s fantasy of a 2nd American Revolution/Civil War is not only reckless, it reveals the character of someone who sees his side losing a cultural struggle and can’t come up with a nonviolent solution, so…war it must be.

164 erik_t  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:50:04pm

re: #161 The Ghost of a Flea

…so the slaves should have been issued guns before they were put on the boats from Africa and the Caribbean?

…or they were supposed to buy guns (from not-possibly racist) white merchants with all their savings?

I assume the theory is that we should be swamping dubiously hostile third-world nations with firearms so that they might protect themselves from nefarious US interference.

…Right?

165 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:51:42pm

re: #160 Bubblehead II

Well Death Stars and Star Destroyers have there uses I guess. But some times you can get better results with a Lamda class shuttle you know.

Well, yeah.
If you load it with antimatter.

166 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:53:15pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

Pro-Gun Advocate: Arming Black People Would Have Prevented Slavery

In WW2, the British called it “window.”

167 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:56:45pm

re: #166 jaunte

In WW2, the British called it “window.”

Arming ___________________ would have prevented ___________________ .

168 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:57:23pm

re: #167 Gus

Distribute vast clouds in all directions to distract opposition.

169 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:58:23pm
170 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:58:40pm

re: #168 jaunte

Distribute vast clouds in all directions to distract opposition.

*Tosses nuclear flash bang*

171 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:58:52pm

*sigh*

One of my idiot wingnut relatives is derping again. He just posted this on his FB:

The following was NOT done on google search or a iPhone!!(Stupid Liberals)

Okay boys and girls, I can’t take this anymore!!! I’m going to teach you some military historical facts. All the Anti-2ND Amendment wackos keep calling AR-15s and such “Assault Weapons” The term assault weapon is a PROGRESSIVE term that they made up and here’s the proof. 1942 the Nazis were trying to develop a weapon that could fire a rifle bullet out of a sub machine gun. The machine guns during that time were to big and heavy and usually had to have two soldiers carry them. The sub machine gun were to small and were only effective at close range. What they came up with was called the STG-44. (predecessor of the AK-47) But the Nazis needed a special name for it, so it would strike fear in the Allies soldier’s minds. The Nazis were experts at propaganda. Joesph Gobbels, the Minister of Propaganda, Had a gift for deception and spinning the truth. He also was able to coin phases like “Wonder Weapons.” The name Hitler and Gobbels came up was “Sturmgewehr!!!” Which in German means “Storm Assault” thus it was adopted as Assault Weapon. Gobbels had a mentor before the Nazi Party took over and he became Propaganda Minister. His name……..President WOODROW WILSON!!! FATHER OF MODERN PROGRESSIVISM!!! Don’t believe me? Look it up for yourself.

This is history folks and we already know that progessives hate history because they have been trying to erase it for over 100 years by indoctrination of our children. “Like and Share”

*headdesk*

172 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 2:59:00pm

re: #167 Gus

Arming ___________________ would have prevented Hayden Christiansen from being cast as Darth Vader.

The question we should all ponder.

173 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:00:03pm

Lesseee.. A Breitbart tool locked in a deathstruggle with a Murdoch tool.

I’m torn.

174 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:00:24pm

re: #167 Gus

Arming ___________________ would have prevented the ridiculous fucking trend of “bacon” scented/flavored everything.

175 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:00:32pm

re: #163 palomino

Why are a few restrictions (waiting periods, databases, background checks) and even a few bans (ARs and high capacity mags) incompatible with the 2nd Amendment?

See #74.

176 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:01:51pm

re: #167 Gus

“Arming the First Nations would have prevented America as we know it.”

177 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:02:20pm

re: #171 Lidane

*sigh*

One of my idiot wingnut relatives is derping again. He just posted this on his FB:

*headdesk*

Sturmgewehr = assault rifle

178 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:05:14pm

Annnnd it finally sinks in:

Yeager told a WSMV-TV reporter that he is “aware of the suspension” but will let his lawyer speak for him from now on.

Then there’s this:

Mr. Yeager has the right to seek review of the department’s decision in the general sessions court of his county of residence or through the Department of Safety and Homeland Security.

Yeah, good luck with that. Let’s see who wants to stick their neck out and be liable if he should get his permit back, and then ends up going out and shooting someone.

179 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:07:00pm

re: #171 Lidane

*sigh*

One of my idiot wingnut relatives is derping again. He just posted this on his FB:

*headdesk*

The Stupid, It Burns!

180 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:07:49pm

I don’t usually do book recommendations, but I would strongly suggest Fergus M. Bordewich’s Bound for Canaan: The Underground Railroad.

I would also suggest throwing bottles full of urine at people with Confederate Battle flag decorations. And punching John C Calhoun’s corpse in its stupid, stupid face. Also, the piss may or may not be on fire

The local cafe is hosting a night of bands doing Tom Waits covers. I’m out.

181 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:08:06pm

re: #177 Gus

Sturmgewehr = assault rifle

For any useful purpose, “Assault Weapon” is legally defined in the law that established the lapsed Assault Weapons Ban.

(For the record, it was fairly useless, banning the tools I would need to mount a bayonet charge against a highschool.)

182 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:09:09pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Lesseee.. A Breitbart tool locked in a deathstruggle with a Murdoch tool.

I’m torn.

CAGEMATCH!
Pretty please? With sugar on top?

183 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:09:48pm

BB Gun, clearly.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

184 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:10:03pm

Teen charged with killing sister, 15, over video game

A 19-year-old Milwaukee man was charged Friday with fatally shooting his 15-year-old sister during an argument over a cellphone video game.

According to the criminal complaint:
Police arrived at a home in the 1500 block of W. Orchard St. about 4 a.m. Tuesday and discovered Brendalyz Morales in a living room chair, shot in the forehead. At the scene, her brother Miguell Morales-Rodriguez stated: “I shot my sister. I killed my sister.”

In subsequent interviews, the defendant said he had dropped a gun and it fired, striking his sister, then that he had pressed the magazine release button, and the gun fired, striking his sister, and finally, that he had been pointing the gun at his sister, with his finger on the trigger, when he touched the magazine release button it caused his finger to pull the trigger.

According to the complaint, detectives determined the gun was in good working order and that pressing the magazine release could not have caused it to fire.

185 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:11:22pm

Oh,Oh, jeeze I just got some Sandy Hook Troofer Spam from some fascist POS calling himself “Voice of Freedom” Fake email address, though I suppose I could track him through the headers if I wanted to but the lying fuck makes me feel dirty enough by even knowing he exists.

186 danarchy  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:11:46pm

OT or tangential at best - Linux based gun control

TrackingPoint

187 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:11:58pm

re: #171 Lidane

*sigh*

One of my idiot wingnut relatives is derping again. He just posted this on his FB:

*headdesk*

Actually “sturmgewehr” was coined by Hitler himself, when presented with the rifle and seeing just how revolutionary it was. This was after he’d previously canceled all work on the project and told his generals there would be no rifles, because the Kar 98K was sufficient for the duration of what he figured would be a short war. And despite superficial resemblance, the StG44 and AK-47 have absolutely no connection besides being assault rifles. Finally, “sturmgewehr” is translated as “Storm Rifle,” not “Weapon.”

188 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:15:06pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Actually “sturmgewehr” was coined by Hitler himself, when presented with the rifle and seeing just how revolutionary it was. This was after he’d previously canceled all work on the project and told his generals there would be no rifles, because the Kar 98K was sufficient for the duration of what he figured would be a short war. And despite superficial resemblance, the StG44 and AK-47 have absolutely no connection besides being assault rifles. Finally, “sturmgewehr” is translated as “Storm Rifle,” not “Weapon.”

Syrian rebels are known to use them.

189 Mattand  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:17:29pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

I would also suggest throwing bottles full of urine at people with Confederate Battle flag decorations. And punching John C Calhoun’s corpse in its stupid, stupid face.

Also, the piss may or may not be on fire

The Sniper fully endorses this plan.

190 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:17:48pm

re: #188 Varek Raith

Syrian rebels are known to use them.

Yeah, I heard about them somehow finding a bunch of them. Assuming they’re pre-1945, they’d be worth some serious money.

191 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:19:56pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Yeah, I heard about them somehow finding a bunch of them. Assuming they’re pre-1945, they’d be worth some serious money.

~5000.

192 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:19:57pm

re: #180 The Ghost of a Flea

Also, the piss may or may not be on fire

Piss On Fire

ok, another title i’m stealing and trademarking

193 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:20:12pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

~5000.

That’s how many they found.

194 andres  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:20:46pm

re: #184 Amory Blaine

Teen charged with killing sister, 15, over video game

They had recently moved to the states to find a better life…

195 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:21:10pm
196 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:21:41pm

re: #194 andres

Senseless. What a tragedy.

197 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:22:27pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

~5000.

More like $50,000 each. But they aren’t on the registry so they can’t be imported into the US intact. The receivers would have to be destroyed by torch cuts that destroy, IIRC, 1” of metal. Europeans, with their stricter laws, will ironically be the ones who will get to buy those firearms.

198 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:22:38pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

From Somalia.
Image: article41243-tm.jpg

Who is maintaining a logistics train that gets antique ammo to Somalia?

199 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:23:43pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Who is maintaining a logistics train that gets antique ammo to Somalia?

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Who is maintaining a logistics train that gets antique ammo to Somalia?

These guys still make the rounds.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:24:09pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Who is maintaining a logistics train that get antique ammo to Somalia?

New production is being made by Prvi Partisan in Serbia. High quality, too. I buy 7x57 Mauser from them for hunting.

201 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:24:18pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Who is maintaining a logistics train that get antique ammo to Somalia?

Apparently there’s arms manufacturers out there still producing 7.92 Kurz because the Soviets spread these things far and wide after WWII. First to client states, then to communist rebel groups. No telling how these ended up in a crate in Syria.

202 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:24:59pm

re: #197 William Barnett-Lewis

More like $50,000 each. But they aren’t on the registry so they can’t be imported into the US intact. The receivers would have to be destroyed by torch cuts that destroy, IIRC, 1” of metal. Europeans, with their stricter laws, will ironically be the ones who will get to buy those firearms.

Yep, I forgot to add that number was the number of rifles found.

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:25:39pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

Yep, I forgot to add that number was the number of rifles found.

I wondered after I posted that.

204 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:26:24pm

re: #198 Decatur Deb

Who is maintaining a logistics train that gets antique ammo to Somalia?

I should get in on that gravy, being that I run a Gyrojet concession out of Beirut.

205 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:26:44pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

re: #201 Targetpractice

re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh—boutique bulletmakers. Must be done on SCAMPski’s.

206 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:27:25pm

re: #204 goddamnedfrank

I should get in on that gravy, being that I run a Gyrojet concession out of Beirut.

I remember when it was the coming thing.

207 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:27:30pm

Wow, they even make this round.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

208 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:31:21pm

I was reading a LGF thread on my phone at work today and Darth said something about Ronald Reagan liking it when Nancy stuck her finger up his butt and I just about lost it. It was the highlight of my day.

209 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:31:25pm

re: #147 Varek Raith

Pro-Gun Advocate: Arming Black People Would Have Prevented Slavery

210 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:32:56pm

re: #208 Amory Blaine

He he this one

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

211 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:43:06pm

David Gregory not going to jail:

No charges over NBC ammo clip display

No employees of NBC will face criminal charges over the display of a high-capacity ammunition magazine on a “Meet the Press” program in violation of local law in Washington, prosecutors told the network on Friday.

The capital city’s attorney general, Irvin Nathan, said in a letter to NBC there would be no charges, but added that it was “a very close decision.”

212 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 3:53:32pm

Anti-gay activist guilty of child pornography

A New Hampshire lawyer who works with a virulently anti-gay Christian-right organization has been found guilty of child pornography charges after videotaping her own daughter having sex with two men on multiple occasions.

Lisa Biron, 43, of Manchester faces a minimum sentence of 25 years in prison after a jury convicted her yesterday. The jury deliberated for less than an hour.
…..
John Aravosis at Americablog found that she had been a member of the ADF “Honor Corps,” the group created to recognize allied attorneys who complete 450 hours of pro bono service for the group…
…..

The ADF claims that homosexuality on college campuses leads to pedophilia, and that homosexuality and pedophilia “are intrinsically linked,” a falsehood long perpetuated by the anti-gay right to demonize LGBT people.

213 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:06:20pm

re: #212 jaunte

Anti-gay activist guilty of child pornography

Your excerpts leave out the most egregious parts. Yeesh.

214 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:11:04pm

re: #211 Shvaughn

They made the glaringly obvious right call. Of course no charges.

“Close decision”? I find that to be mere posturing. Reasonable doubt was established when the staff was misinformed by L.E. If that law has no room for intent, as in a journalist trying to prevent more gun deaths with good solid public information, it’s a poorly worded law.

Possession of a magazine in the complete absence of a gun for pure journalistic purposes is not any threat to public safety at all. Unless it’s opposite day again already.

Of course DC is one of the few places where a gun law has been found to actually violate the second amendment. “Close decision” sounds like city bureaucracy ego to me.

215 Godisdeadandburied  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:19:32pm

re: #163 palomino

Who is this idiot to talk about tyranny? He wrote an entire book about how the government should censor of any film or T.V. show the religious right would find objectionable. He has also called for the jailing of anyone who speaks out against any war which the United States gets involved. Kind of contradiction, isn’t it?

216 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:15:18pm

re: #174 The Ghost of a Flea

Arming ___________________ would have prevented the ridiculous fucking trend of “bacon” scented/flavored everything.

Pigs?

217 William of Orange  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:36:43pm

I give Shapiro some credit with keeping this conversation at least civilized, in comparison with Alex Jones.

(Apart from that dancing on the graves remark. That was vicious!)

218 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 5:57:26am

Decades ago I saw a cartoon in a science fiction pulp magazine that showed two Native Americans peeking over sand dunes at Christopher Columbus about to set foot in the New World.

Each had an assault weapon slung over his shoulder.


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