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Gun Nut Statement of the Day: If Slaves Had Guns They Wouldn’t Have Been Slaves

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The chairman of “Gun Appreciation Day,” planned for the weekend of President Obama’s inauguration, feels that if Martin Luther King, Jr. were alive he’d agree that if African Americans had been able to own guns right from the beginning of the US, they never would have been slaves.

Of course, that would have meant they needed to be armed while they were still in Africa, because that’s where they were enslaved in the first place.

(I know, I shouldn’t be trying to impose logical sense on this whacked out right wing attempt to enlist Martin Luther King, who died at the hands of an assassin with a gun, as an advocate for universal gun ownership. It’s an amazingly cynical and twisted argument, though. Where do they come up with this crazy shit?)

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78 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:03:35pm

Sometimes I think these eager young right wing beavers have alien worms infesting their brains.

2 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:06:38pm

“If we had forcibly ripped random Africans away from their families and clans, sailed them over here packed head to toe in the stinking holds of slave ships, and then handed them rifles when they had arrived to become African Americans, then slavery wouldn’t have been a chapter in our history.”

3 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:07:04pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Sometimes I think these eager young right wing beavers have alien worms infesting their brains.

Still not a leftie.
Why only sometimes?

4 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:12:26pm

I’m sure the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. would not even approve of the dope slap I’d like to give that guy, let alone approve of gun promotion being done in his name.

5 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:13:50pm

In a sane, intelligent country, these people would be sideshow freaks, subject to fingerpointing and mocking laughter.

6 Tigger2005  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:16:22pm

I think somebody needs to explain the concept of slavery to this idjit.

7 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:17:36pm

In fact, a great many slaves did have guns before they were enslaved, since their enslavement resulted from tribal warfare. This warfare, in turn, was fed by the huge influx of guns brought by slave traders.

African Military Systems to 1800, wikipedia:

Guns were to have an important effect on African military systems. Rising quantities of guns are associated with increases in the slave trade, as major powers such as Dahomey, Benin and Ashanti stepped up their conquests to feed the insatiable demand for human bodies. Guns were the single most important item traded to Africans in the decades prior to 1800, usually paid for in gold or slaves. Some historians argue that the introduction of firearms had an enormous impact on slave gathering in Africa. Flintlocks, which were more reliable than matchlocks, sparked the first big wave of gun sales, and obsolete smoothbore muskets of this type were being exported to Africa even into the 19th century. The psychological impact of guns in the night and dawn attacks favored by slave raiders was significant, and in slave-catching, flintlocks could also be loaded with shot, wounding and crippling victims rather than killing them outright. The connection between the gun trade and the slave trade is described by the Dutch Director-General at Elmina in 1730:

“The great quantity of guns and powder which the Europeans have brought have caused terrible wars between the Kings and Princes and Caboceers of these lands, who made their prisoners of war slaves; these slaves were immediately bought up by Europeans at steadily increasing prices, which in turn, amimates again and again these people to renew their facilities, and their hope of gain and easy profits makes them forget all about, using all sorts of pretexts to attack each other for reviving old disputes.”

The Dutch themselves were exporting over 20,000 tons of gunpowder every year along the Gold Coast by 1700. All along the region, English, French and other traders competed hard with each other to supply their African customers. By the mid-18th century some 400,000 guns were being exported annually to Africa. (emphasis added)

8 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:20:41pm

Echoing the gun nuts of late:
James Earl Ray, the assassin of Martin Luther King, didn’t want his body buried in the United States because of “the way the government treated him.”

9 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:20:42pm
10 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:20:54pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

In fact, a great many slaves did have guns before they were enslaved, since their enslavement resulted from tribal warfare. This warfare, in turn, was fed by the huge influx of guns brought by slave traders.

African Military Systems to 1800, wikipedia:

The Dutch themselves were exporting over 20,000 tons of gunpowder every year along the Gold Coast by 1700. All along the region, English, French and other traders competed hard with each other to supply their African customers. By the mid-18th century some 400,000 guns were being exported annually to Africa. (emphasis added)

Obviously it wasn’t enough guns.
//

11 Zamb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:25:14pm

Yea if they had guns in Africa slavery would have never happened, because never in the history of earth has a person with a gun become a prisoner of war.

12 Zamb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:26:29pm

Also didn’t a bunch of them get a hold of some guns and try to revolt once or twice?

13 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:28:30pm

And these same jackasses would’ve opposed it if they were around then.
Morons.

14 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:29:47pm
15 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:30:08pm

Heeeeey everyone!

16 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:30:23pm

And soon the corollary argument will crop up from some idiot that since they didn’t have enough guns they deserved what they got.
(spit)

17 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:31:27pm

It’s like this weird combination of antithetical and a tautology at the same time. Basically, slaves wouldn’t be slaves if they weren’t slaves.

18 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:33:33pm

re: #12 Zamb

Also didn’t a bunch of them get a hold of some guns and try to revolt once or twice?


Yes, that happened.
Note that the red flag raised over the Negro Fort under the Union Jack did not hold the modern “Revolution” meaning of a red flag. In 1816, for a fort to fly a red flag under its national flag was a sign that its garrison would give the attacking force no quarter; i.e. anyone who tried to storm the fort would be killed.

3 updings to whoever can explain the pirate connection to this meaning of a red flag.

19 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:35:10pm

re: #16 Feline Fearless Leader

And soon the corollary argument will crop up from some idiot that since they didn’t have enough guns they deserved what they got.
(spit)

That argument has been made for a great many years, actually.

20 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:42:01pm

I seem to have broken the thread again. I’ll be back later and see what’s what.

21 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:45:47pm

re: #7 Shiplord Kirel

that’s fascinating - didn’t know that!

22 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:50:09pm

re: #17 EmmaAnne

It’s like this weird combination of antithetical and a tautology at the same time. Basically, slaves wouldn’t be slaves if they weren’t slaves.

It wasn’t legitimate slavery though. You know, because a lot of slave women got pregnant by their masters.

/2012 GOP

23 Lidane  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:51:59pm

re: #11 Zamb

Yea if they had guns in Africa slavery would have never happened, because never in the history of earth has a person with a gun become a prisoner of war.

Unpossible!

Everyone knows that gun ownership = a magical immunity that stops all bad things.

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:53:24pm

re: #18 Dark_Falcon


Yes, that happened.
Note that the red flag raised over the Negro Fort under the Union Jack did not hold the modern “Revolution” meaning of a red flag. In 1816, for a fort to fly a red flag under its national flag was a sign that its garrison would give the attacking force no quarter; i.e. anyone who tried to storm the fort would be killed.

3 updings to whoever can explain the pirate connection to this meaning of a red flag.

The Dread Pirate Roberts.

25 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:58:23pm

OT, but since we are moving slowly so far….

I turned on my heat for the first time. Supposed to be 27 tonight in SoCal. (huge brrrrrrrrr) Got to see if it works! It does.

Pray for the avocados, the tomatoes and the animals at the SD Zoo.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Haha, we are babies compared to you other folks.

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 4:59:35pm

re: #25 Stanghazi

OT, but since we are moving slowly so far….

I turned on my heat for the first time. Supposed to be 27 tonight in SoCal. (huge brrrrrrrrr) Got to see if it works! It does.

Pray for the avocados, the tomatoes and the animals at the SD Zoo.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com…]

Haha, we are babies compared to you other folks.

Are the salmon still wearing your winter coats?
;)

27 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:01:57pm

Anderson Cooper is leading off his show with Sandy Hook “truthers” right now if you want to get pissed off.

28 wilburs  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:04:41pm

re: #14 Stanghazi

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Her carrying a loaded handgun to a kids soccer game was a great advertisement for her babysitting business

WTF

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:04:46pm

I got pissed off enough at the spam email I got from one of those scum earlier.

30 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:08:01pm

re: #26 Feline Fearless Leader

Are the salmon still wearing your winter coats?
;)

You know what’s the best? putting your clothes in the dryer, ready for after shower. mmmm warm.


bbl

31 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:14:16pm

Amazing the stuff you turn up in a Google search. I searched “African Trade Musket” for the above item. Besides the quoted article, I learned that smoothbore muzzle loading firearms were made for sale in African right into the 1950s. This was partly because Africans in some colonial areas were often not permitted to have modern arms and partly because the muzzle loaders made it easier for them to make or improvise their own ammunition.

32 Gus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:16:19pm

The Hollywood mortician look is popular with these goons. Kinds of fitting.

33 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:17:59pm

More “if only everyone had a gun, everything would be swell” bs courtesy of morons like this.

34 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:18:04pm

1. unplug the gun factories
2. get all guns
3. put all guns in the gun smasher
4. turn on gun smasher

35 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:18:57pm

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

I got pissed off enough at the spam email I got from one of those scum earlier.

One consolation: The internet is forever. These turds can be hounded and haunted with their vicious lies for the rest of their natural lives, and discredited and mocked by name for the rest of human history if anyone is so inclined.

36 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:19:14pm

re: #25 Stanghazi

Snuggle up & be warm!

37 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:19:30pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

1. unplug the gun factories
2. get all guns
3. put all guns in the gun smasher
4. turn on gun smasher

LOL less guns will help us in the future.
Did you get your HD working yet?

38 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:20:39pm

re: #30 Stanghazi

Warm towels too! Giggles, put them on the bed. A BIG ziplock baggie can substitute for a hot wattle bottle… Just don’t squish it!

39 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:20:41pm

re: #37 HoosierHoops

yeah, the trick really was to format and partition the new drive

40 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:21:06pm

If they had guns they wouldn’t have been slaves, they would have been corpses.

41 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:23:43pm

Proposing that the nominations for “Troll of the Year—2013” be closed.

A Florida Satanic group is rallying in support of Gov Rick (Voldemort) Scott in recognition of his effort to bring “inspirational messages” back into schools. They see this as an opportunity to hold Satanic prayers in the classroom..

[Link: politicker.com…]

42 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:25:23pm
43 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:26:34pm

re: #42 jaunte

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Harry Turtledove wrote the novel they can probably bankroll.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

44 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:30:48pm
45 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:30:48pm

re: #36 Dancing along the light of day

Snuggle up & be warm!

ha. Love life. Just went to Mexican market, got cukes, radishes and this

[Link: ecx.images-amazon.com…]

46 jaunte  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:32:45pm
47 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:33:05pm

re: #45 Stanghazi

Oh, and sweats in the dryer getting warm.

Flo! Gonna be cold!

48 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:35:21pm

Later. lizards.

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49 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:35:48pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

Harry Turtledove wrote the novel they can probably bankroll.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

*SPOILER ALERT*

Gun cultists might not care for Turtledove’s extrapolation of the Confederacy’s acquisition of AK-47s, since their victory, while relatively quick, is not so quick and trouble free as the cultists might believe. The re-armed Confederates don’t go rock and roll and blast the Union out of existence in a matter of hours, that is. A man with an AK can still be struck dead by a Minie ball, after all. Among other things, Union scientists and engineers quickly figure out the new-fangled gun’s workings and even manage to duplicate it. They cannot make the smokeless powder, however. They do know that it is a compound related to nitro-cellulose but they do not have the technology to make in bulk, at least not safely.

One of the things I love about Turtledove is his capacity for thinking these things through, often with surprising results.

50 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:39:56pm

re: #43 Feline Fearless Leader

Harry Turtledove wrote the novel they can probably bankroll.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Except for the part where the confederacy turns against the racist assholes from the future and is lead to adapting a more progressive policy by president Lee.

51 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:40:15pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

*SPOILER ALERT*

Gun cultists might not care for Turtledove’s extrapolation of the Confederacy’s acquisition of AK-47s, since their victory, while relatively quick, is not so quick and trouble free as the cultists might believe. The re-armed Confederates don’t go rock and roll and blast the Union out of existence in a matter of hours, that is. A man with an AK can still be struck dead by a Minie ball, after all. Among other things, Union scientists and engineers quickly figure out the new-fangled gun’s workings and even manage to duplicate it. They cannot make the smokeless powder, however. They do know that it is a compound related to nitro-cellulose but they do not have the technology to make in bulk, at least not safely.

One of the things I love about Turtledove is his capacity for thinking these things through, often with surprising results.

One of his early stories points out essentially that ancients might not have our technology, medicine, or other advances, but they still were not idiots.

Edit: “Death in Vesunna”. Read it in the short story collection _Departures_.

52 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:40:24pm

Night Lizards. The rhetoric on both sides is getting out of hand.

Therefore I am going to take a break.

May the Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You and Yours.

Rest Well.

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:41:01pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

Except for the part where the confederacy turns against the racist assholes from the future and is lead to adapting a more progressive policy by president Lee.

That will be saved for the never-quite-made sequel. ;)

54 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:41:16pm

re: #36 Dancing along the light of day

Got any good organic spider mite remedies? I’ve tried the neem oil. It works ok but not great. I’m thinking of trying the buttermilk and flour thing but that might stink like hell in the enclosed greenhouse.

55 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:41:59pm

re: #49 Shiplord Kirel

*SPOILER ALERT*

Gun cultists might not care for Turtledove’s extrapolation of the Confederacy’s acquisition of AK-47s, since their victory, while relatively quick, is not so quick and trouble free as the cultists might believe. The re-armed Confederates don’t go rock and roll and blast the Union out of existence in a matter of hours, that is. A man with an AK can still be struck dead by a Minie ball, after all. Among other things, Union scientists and engineers quickly figure out the new-fangled gun’s workings and even manage to duplicate it. They cannot make the smokeless powder, however. They do know that it is a compound related to nitro-cellulose but they do not have the technology to make in bulk, at least not safely.

One of the things I love about Turtledove is his capacity for thinking these things through, often with surprising results.

Which in turn leads to the remains of the USA starting /considering a war to take over Canda to make up for the land lost to the CSA, damn it why can’t Turtledove write a sequel to that book, he has made one to just about everything else he ever wrote….

56 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:44:33pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

One consolation: The internet is forever. These turds can be hounded and haunted with their vicious lies for the rest of their natural lives, and discredited and mocked by name for the rest of human history if anyone is so inclined.

It would be a hell of a legacy. Reminds me for some reason of a classic tale from the 1001 Nights, Abu Hasan and the Fart:

They recount that in the city of Kaukaban in Yemen there was a man named Abu Hasan of the Fadhli tribe who left the Bedouin life and became a townsman and the wealthiest of merchants. His wife died while both were young, and his friends pressed him to marry again.
Weary of their pressure, Abu Hasan entered into negotiations with the old women who procure matches, and married a woman as beautiful as the moon shining over the sea. To the wedding banquet he invited kith and kin, ulema and fakirs, friends and foes, and all of his acquaintances.

The whole house was thrown open to feasting: There were five different colors of rice, and sherbets of as many more; kid goats stuffed with walnuts, almonds, and pistachios; and a young camel roasted whole. So they ate and drank and made merry.

The bride was displayed in her seven dresses — and one more — to the women, who could not take their eyes off her. At last the bridegroom was summoned to the chamber where she sat enthroned. He rose slowly and with dignity from his divan; but in do doing, for he was over full of meat and drink, he let fly a great and terrible fart.

In fear for their lives, all the guests immediately turned to their neighbors and talked aloud, pretending to have heard nothing.

Mortified, Abu Hasan turned away from the bridal chamber and as if to answer a call of nature. He went down to the courtyard, saddled his mare, and rode off, weeping bitterly through the night.

In time he reached Lahej where he found a ship ready to sail for India; so he boarded, arriving ultimately at Calicut on the Malabar coast. Here he met with many Arabs, especially from Hadramaut, who recommended him to the King. This King (who was a Kafir) trusted him and advanced him to the captaincy of his bodyguard. He remained there ten years, in peace and happiness, but finally was overcome with homesickness. His longing to behold his native land was like that of a lover pining for his beloved; and it nearly cost him his life.

Finally he sneaked away without taking leave and made his way to Makalla in Hadramaut. Here he donned the rags of a dervish. Keeping his name and circumstances a secret, he set forth on foot for Kaukaban. He endured a thousand hardships of hunger, thirst, and fatigue; and braved a thousand dangers from lions, snakes, and ghouls.

Drawing near to his old home, he looked down upon it from the hills with brimming eyes, and said to himself, “They might recognize me, so I will wander about the outskirts and listen to what people are saying. May Allah grant that they do not remember what happened.”

He listened carefully for seven nights and seven days, until it happened that, as he was sitting at the door of a hut, he heard the voice of a young girl saying, “Mother, tell me what day was I born on, for one of my companions wants to tell my fortune.”

The mother answered, “My daughter, you were born on the very night when Abu Hasan farted.”

No sooner had the listener heard these words than he rose up from the bench and fled, saying to himself, “Verily my fart has become a date! It will be remembered for ever and ever.

He continued on his way, returning finally to India, where he remained in self exile until he died. May the mercy of Allah be upon him!

57 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:44:33pm

re: #52 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. The rhetoric on both sides is getting out of hand.

Therefore I am going to take a break.

May the Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You and Yours.

Rest Well.

I feel like I’ve seen this all before. A few new ideas but the whole gun debate looks like a rerun to me. Not enough innovative thinking, too much derp. Although nobody seems to be talking about it there is probably almost not enough votes to pass anything meaningful, not enough brains to propose anything serious.

58 KiTA  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:44:35pm

I’m guessing this guy doesn’t recall all those gun control laws the south used to make sure even freed slaves couldn’t arm themselves.

And I’m guessing this guy doesn’t remember Saint Reagan of RINO passing gun control regulation to prevent the Blank Panthers from observing police officers while heavily armed.

And I’m guessing none of this matters to him at all, since he’s either a shill from the multi billion dollar gun industry in the US, or a paranoid loon who thinks he needs his guns to fend off the US Military.

59 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:48:34pm

U.S. tells computer users to disable Java software

The U.S. Department of Homeland Security is advising people to temporarily disable the Java software on their computers to avoid potential hacking attacks.

The recommendation came in an advisory issued late Thursday, following up on concerns raised by computer security experts.

Also see:
How to Disable Java

60 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:51:23pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

It’s not organic, but it is the only thing that works.
Kelthane.
And, I don’t think it will affect your kitties.
BTW, mites proliferate in dryness, so upping your humidity is a good idea!

61 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:56:49pm

Also I am not sure if anyone else here’s cares/plays, but today I finally managed to hit level 20 on League of Legends so I can start spending that pile of Influence Points I had stockpiled.

I wonder how many of my fellow lizards play and I wonder if any of you chiefly play Renkton for the extra lols?

62 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:57:21pm

re: #54 Killgore Trout

P.S. Neem oil is useless.

63 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 5:58:40pm

re: #60 Dancing along the light of day

It’s not organic, but it is the only thing that works.
Kelthane.
And, I don’t think it will affect your kitties.
BTW, mites proliferate in dryness, so upping your humidity is a good idea!

I’m maintaining 80% humidity and I’ve been misting with water daily but growth in the greenhouse have slowed down considerably. It could also be due to cold weather, short days and since the greenhouse ventilation is closed I think co2 levels are probably pretty low. I’m thinking about a co2 system might liven things up a bit.

64 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:00:29pm

re: #62 Dancing along the light of day

P.S. Neem oil is useless.

I also introduced some predatory mites in the fall but they didn’t seem to establish a population. I might try it again when things warm up again.

65 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:03:38pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout
You wouldn’t have mites with 80% humidity. I suspect your humidity fluctuates.
Buy this, it’s totally cheap!
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66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:08:43pm

re: #65 Dancing along the light of day

You wouldn’t have mites with 80% humidity. I suspect your humidity fluctuates.
Buy this, it’s totally cheap!
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Done! Even the most basic info on greenhouse growing is a little hard to find.
My humidity doesn’t fluctuate by much, maybe a few percent. I invested in some decent humidity control and monitoring gear.

67 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:12:51pm

Just pretend you’re not really here.

68 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:18:41pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

It’s a combination of functions, light watering & humidity. Bugs are a given. mites are hard to get rid of, especially in the winter.

69 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:19:22pm

So, which are we supposed to believe - that guns are the solution or the problem.

Within the past 24 hours, we get prime examples of both.

A gun advocate who’s got an arsenal and has posted countless videos about firearms is himself shot dead by a firearm. All those guns he owns? Didn’t do him a damned bit of good.

Then, you’ve got an instance where a woman apparently protected her family from an intruder with a handgun. She unloaded all six rounds, and the gunman was injured but fled. Proponents note that if the intruder had an accomplice the woman would have been in trouble.

And yet, the numbers are what they are. The murder rates are what they are. They are higher in states where there are more lax gun control laws than those that have tighter restrictions.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:22:07pm

re: #69 lawhawk

I think when you look at the murder/homicide rates from countries with stricter than the US gun controls, the answer is stricter gun controls. Now, like immigration, it will take a generation or two to change the US mind set.
My 2 cents worth.

71 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 6:30:19pm

re: #68 Dancing along the light of day

It’s a combination of functions, light watering & humidity. Bugs are a given. mites are hard to get rid of, especially in the winter.

re: #66 Killgore Trout

D_L ran a huge greenhouse for a couple years. KT, you still got my email? She is cooking now but is happy to chime in if helpful.

72 BroncD  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 7:41:46pm

If slaves had just had access to Predator Drones, slavery would never have happened. In a just world where the 2nd Amendment is taken seriously, this is what would have happened.

73 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jan 11, 2013 8:10:31pm

Hug-your-gun day scheduled for Obama’s inauguration? Pure coincidence, I’m sure.

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 1:05:41am

“Jesus Christ would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed!”

75 jytdog  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 4:28:19pm

Don’t know if anybody here saw the recent article in the Atlantic on the history of gun control in the US…
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

I haven’t double checked the facts but if the author is not a wingnut, strong efforts were made on the Federal level after Emancipation to ensure that slaves could have guns (in response to the KKK’s effort to take them away), and modern gun control efforts actually started as an effort to keep guns out of the hands of the Black Panthers. If true…. crazy, right?

76 Patricia Kayden  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 5:09:32pm

re: #2 jaunte

“If we had forcibly ripped random Africans away from their families and clans, sailed them over here packed head to toe in the stinking holds of slave ships, and then handed them rifles when they had arrived to become African Americans, then slavery wouldn’t have been a chapter in our history.”

Makes perfect sense to me!

77 cat-tikvah  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 5:18:36pm

re: #74 Sol Berdinowitz

Hey, you must have been watching last Sunday’s Simpsons episode. Homer becomes a doomsday prepper; when Marge finds out his plans she chides him for being willing to leave behind all their friends and neighbors to fend for themselves. “Homer,” she implores, “What kind of a Christian are you?”

“If Jesus had a gun, he’d be alive now!” says Homer.

About as logical as this “if slaves had guns” line of reasoning. But funnier. If ferociously sacreligious.

78 Skip Intro  Sat, Jan 12, 2013 6:49:48pm

re: #14 Stanghazi

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Talk about gun lunatics. Shot by her husband, who then shot himself. So who does the family want donations to go to?

The family requests donations be sent in Hain’s memory to the Pennsylvania Firearms Owners Association.


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Music is the most physically inspiring of all the arts. -- Said as he gave the keynote address at the American Society of University Composers in Columbus Ohio in 1985.