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#Breitbart.com Incites Another Deluge of Misogynist Hate Speech Against Lena Dunham

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The Breitbrats really have it in for actress Lena Dunham; she’s one of their recurring targets, along with Sandra Fluke and Soledad O’Brien. Something about assertive, unashamed liberal women seems to get under their skin, big time.

After Dunham made a mildly racy advertisement endorsing Barack Obama for President, Ben Shapiro penned a nutty blue-nosed rant, saying the ad was “demeaning to women” and showed that Dunham “cared only about sex.”

That Shapiro tirade prompted an outpouring of hideous woman-hating comments from the knuckle-dragging Breitbart audience, of course, so they’re at it again, keeping the right wing base engaged and interested in the issues that matter.

This time, “Breitbart News” doesn’t seem to quite understand that actors are not the same as the characters they play: FOR LENA DUNHAM’S ‘GIRLS’ CHARACTER, DATING REPUBLICANS LIKE DATING NAZIS.

Lena Dunham, creator of the HBO sitcom “Girls,” has stated that the character she plays would view dating a black Republican the same way as dating a Nazi.

OMG! Outrage!

Dunham went on to say that she doesn’t feel this way herself, it’s a character, but the Breitbrats aren’t buying it.

When the interviewer follows up on that phrase, Dunham clarifies that while she is progressive, she does not have the same blanket “ignorance” she is satirizing through her character.

There you go, imply that this elitist liberal actress is insulting them personally! That ought to get the cavemen riled up.

And sure enough:

She’s a skank so who gives a whip. Just seeing the HBO label kinda gives me a WTF feeling so I didn’t read it I just know a good lap dog when I see on and a racist.

[…]

I wonder when this sleazy tramp will be showing genital warts on her face? Just HIV bait like most of her unHolywood contomporaries.

[…]

A conservative man would be repulsed by the flies buzzing around her lady parts, even after her whore bath, so saying the character she plays should not date a Republican is irrelevant. Now, had she said her character COULD NOT date a Republican it would have been accurate because no Republican man would date her, regardless of whether or not she was attracted to someone who opposed killing unborn babies or was opposed to rump ranger and twisted sister unions. Nice try at asserting your liberal ideals though. Now scamper along to your local Planned Parenthood Tattoo Piercing Parlor and have a spa day.

[…]

This from a girl who’s willing to sleep with the whole 7th fleet.

[…]

Dating Lena Dunham is like dating a fish market.

[…]

I have no respect for someone who can afford to buy clothes and makeup and go to bars and yet want the American people to pay for her birth control pills (like paying for her tuition is not enough) and any abortion she may need to have just because she was too drunk to have responsible sex.

[…]

Considering what she looks like, she would be exceedingly lucky to have a black republican interested in dating her. In her silly video about her “first time”, I personally thought she looked gay. The person interested in this chick would likely have very short hair, lady parts, and a tattoo that says Skank on her inner thigh. Who is she kidding?

[…]

This ugly hag gets lucky now she starts talking shiit…hope she saves her money

[…]

No self respecting Nazi would waste the time…

[…]

This is what happens when you put an ugly pear shaped chick in front of a camera. She’s not a six packer—she’s a 12-packer—and I am talking 12 high alcohol imports

[…]

This homely looking person is a hater, she should be tard and feathered and thrown in to the cesspool Chicago with the rest of the haters.

[…]

I wouldn’t f*ck Lena Dunham with her own d*ck.

[…]

This little piggy can’t even fasten the top hook of her dress…

[…]

She doesn’t date anyone. She strips for money and calls it art. She’s a glorified prostitute.

[…]

You don’t have to worry about dating any of us, Dunham. Bestiality ain’t our bag.

[…]

Nazi’s didn’t allow whore houses did they?

[…]

No, but they encouraged breeding by couples of good Aryan stock. Dunham would have been off the hook, because her stock is through the floor.

And on and on and on — there are hundreds more disgusting comments like this. This is the right wing base in 2013.

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200 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:44:49pm

And yet they loved Jack Bauer who tortured people. Seriously, it’s a fucking show. Fucking wingnuts are so sensitive.

2 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:45:26pm

Exhibit A on why the GOP is beyond saving: This is the party base, not the fringe.

3 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:46:01pm
she should be tard and feathered

(stifles giggle)

4 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:47:00pm

Of course, these are the people who in real life conversations compare Obama to Hitler. Lena says her character would do something and they go ballistic. This is also funny because for years we’ve heard the right whine and whine about political correctness and now they’re upset because of what a woman said her fictional character would do? Read fictional.

5 TedStriker  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:48:12pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And yet they loved Jack Bauer who tortured people. Seriously, it’s a fucking show. Fucking wingnuts are so sensitive.

RWNJs didn’t just love the character of Jack Bauer, they wanted to be Jack Bauer.

And they still do.

6 iceweasel  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:49:30pm

Lena Dunham deserved it, what with her being all female and stuff in our faces.

7 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:50:17pm

Were the ratings ever very high? I don’t think so, at least until the show gets all this free publicity!

8 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:50:22pm

See, this is why we all have to re-register as Republicans. That way we can make all this stop, or so I’ve read.

9 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:50:27pm

re: #6 iceweasel

They’re like fifth grade boys when it comes to the opposite sex.

10 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:51:15pm

re: #7 SteveMcG

Were the ratings ever very high? I don’t think so, at least until the show gets all this free publicity!

It’s actually one of the more popular shows on HBO.I watch Boardwalk Empire myself but Girls has a good audience.

11 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:52:12pm

re: #8 Skip Intro

See, this is why we all have to re-register as Republicans. That way we can make all this stop, or so I’ve read.

Never made such a claim. What you just did was the same thing that Sarah Palin does when she mocks the “Hope and Change” thing.

12 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:52:38pm

Really? So Shapiro Breitbart News is angry about a little known actress describing a character with dating a “black Republican the same way as dating a Nazi?” This after they, yes they, have been calling the president Hitler for the past 4 years including the recent nonsense from Drudge?

[Edit]

13 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:54:19pm

Correction: Breitbart News not Shapiro.

14 iceweasel  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:54:46pm

re: #8 Skip Intro

See, this is why we all have to re-register as Republicans. That way we can make all this stop, or so I’ve read.

Re-register? You made me laugh. :)

No seriously guyz, to tell the Republican party we’re unhappy with them we all first need to register republican. It’s a foolproof plan I tell ya!

15 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:55:15pm

re: #12 Gus

Really? So Shapiro is angry about a little known actress describing a character with dating a “black Republican the same way as dating a Nazi?” This after they, yes they, have been calling the president Hitler for the past 4 years including the recent nonsense from Drudge?

Short answer, yes. Longer answer, yes. It’s silly. And as I said, I find it hilarious that the right who bitch about political correctness for years can’t handle a woman talking about her fictional character’s intolerance.

16 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:56:45pm

re: #14 iceweasel

No seriously guyz, to tell the Republican party we’re unhappy with them we all first need to register republican. It’s a foolproof plan I tell ya!

Then we can go down to the farm and wrestle a pig in a moat of shit!

17 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:56:46pm

re: #11 SteveMcG

See, this is why we all have to re-register as Republicans. That way we can make all this stop, or so I’ve read.

Never made such a claim. What you just did was the same thing that Sarah Palin does when she mocks the “Hope and Change” thing.

” In fact, I urge EVERYBODY to join the Republican Party. The only why to disinfect the party is to get these clowns out in the primary process.”

Sorry, I disagree.

18 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:58:31pm

re: #17 Skip Intro

” In fact, I urge EVERYBODY to join the Republican Party. The only why to disinfect the party is to get these clowns out in the primary process.”

Sorry, I disagree.

So what do you propose? I can’t wait. Is it going to be psychological counselling, a well phrased oratorical thrust, a witty parry? Please, go on.

19 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:59:40pm

Holy shit, are the Falcons gonna blow this thing?

20 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 12:59:56pm

So now the Junior BartFarts are attacking an actress for something her character said. Just more evidence of how the GOP base is solidly grounded in a reality all their own.

21 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:00:28pm

re: #18 SteveMcG

So what do you propose. I can’t wait. Is it going to be psychological counselling, a well phrased oratorical thrust, a witty parry? Please, go on.

Let the Republican Party wither further into their final form of a regional BNP equivalent, then let the Democrats split into two parties, both of which use rational thought to try to solve problems and improve the country while the GOP shrieks and throws shit from their enclosure on the sidelines.

22 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:00:42pm

A MBF check. Looks like Obama has surpassed Bush in the Hitler Google category.

Google Hitler Bush: About 21,400,000 results

Google Hitler Obama: About 72,700,000 results

23 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #20 Skip Intro

So now the Junior BartFarts are attacking an actress for something her character said. Just more evidence of how the GOP base is solidly grounded in a reality all their own.

It’s not like somebody put a gun to her head. But, the reaction is still bizarre.

24 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:01:59pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

And yet they loved Jack Bauer who tortured people. Seriously, it’s a fucking show. Fucking wingnuts are so sensitive.

A lot of my favorite TV characters are reprehensible.

Like everyone from this hot mess:

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25 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:02:29pm
I wouldn’t f*ck Lena Dunham with her own d*ck.

[…]

This little piggy can’t even fasten the top hook of her dress…

[…]

She doesn’t date anyone. She strips for money and calls it art. She’s a glorified prostitute.

[…]

You don’t have to worry about dating any of us, Dunham. Bestiality ain’t our bag.

Who says the Republican activist base has a problem with women?

26 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:03:36pm

re: #21 erik_t

Let the Republican Party wither further into their final form of a regional BNP equivalent, then let the Democrats split into two parties, both of which use rational thought to try to solve problems and improve the country while the GOP shrieks and throws shit from their enclosure on the sidelines.

As long as the hard core teal party consist of about 25% (my estimate), I think it’s too big to wait for a generation to solve problems that need to be addressed in the next election cycle. or two.

27 bubba zanetti  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:04:54pm

I wish there was a sneaky computer virus spread by porn sites that would secretly swap one of the letters of the alphabet for an identical looking unicode character whenever the infected party posted comments at breibrat.com or freep. And just for lulz, the character would change depending on how many times the user was infected.

Then you could look through the comments and find out how many people Outraged11ty by this slutty slut slut were actually big fans of a certain kind of sluttiness.

28 darthstar  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:04:58pm

re: #19 SteveMcG

Holy shit, are the Falcons gonna blow this thing?

No, but Seattle may have just won it with a remarkable drive.

29 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:06:42pm

re: #25 jaunte

Who says the Republican activist base has a problem with women?

Is it me or am I reading a sort of sentiment for Nazis in some of the comments?

30 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:08:27pm

I can’t even really disagree with the character’s sentiment. Met a guy here in the park a month or so ago who, within minutes of meeting, started ranting about the n*CLANG in the White House and we were soon going to be overrun with [list of brown people]. Then he asked me out to dinner.

I don’t see much difference between him and a Nazi.

31 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:10:29pm

re: #29 Gus

I see a lot of commenters who apparently have read and absorbed Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” redefinitions.

32 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:11:32pm

re: #31 jaunte

I see a lot of commenters who apparently have read and absorbed Goldberg’s “Liberal Fascism” redefinitions.

Ah. I can see it now. ‘She won’t date Nazis which really means she won’t date liberals.’ Urgh.

33 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:11:51pm

Hurr, hurr.

34 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:16:08pm

Glenn Beck wants to start an Ayn Rand inspired collective. Ergo, he must be a liberal. /

35 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:16:39pm

re: #25 jaunte

If I recall correctly Dan Quayle had a problem with the TV character of Murphy Brown. Even when the producers of that show said it is only a story.

36 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:17:33pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

Yes, she was portraying the dreaded successful single female parent.

37 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:18:41pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

If I recall correctly Dan Quayle had a problem with the TV character of Murphy Brown. Even when the producers of that show said it is only a story.

Holy cow. I forgot about that. It’s amazing though how times have changed. I think we might be suffering from a certain amount of nostalgia when we look back at the alleged moderates of the GOP.

38 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:18:48pm

Seahawks-Falcons wow.

39 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:20:16pm

re: #37 Gus

Holy cow. I forgot about that. It’s amazing though how times have changed. I think we might be suffering from a certain amount of nostalgia when we look back at the alleged moderates of the GOP.

They just look that way now. Explains a lot.

40 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:20:24pm

Well, I can see that I won’t bother to watch the super bowl this year. I have zero interest in any remaining team.

41 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:20:29pm

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

If I recall correctly Dan Quayle had a problem with the TV character of Murphy Brown. Even when the producers of that show said it is only a story.

Back before the Teabaggers ruined the party.

/

42 Tigger2  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:20:48pm

re: #25 jaunte

Who says the Republican activist base has a problem with women?

The main problem I see they have with her is she’s not barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen where she should be./

43 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:21:22pm

re: #40 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, I can see that I won’t bother to watch the super bowl this year. I have zero interest in any remaining team.

We’re going to end up with Falcons-PatriotsRavens, because Jesus hates me on a deep and personal level.

*edit: god I forgot Baltimore is still in it. Ugh.

44 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:21:56pm

re: #42 Tigger2

The main problem I see they have with her is she’s not barefoot pregnant and in the kitchen where she should be.

Even worse, she has opinions. ZOMG

45 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:22:06pm

re: #40 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, I can see that I won’t bother to watch the super bowl this year. I have zero interest in any remaining team.

I still root against Ray Lewis.

46 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:22:52pm

re: #43 erik_t

We’re going to end up with Falcons-Patriots, because Jesus hates me on a deep and personal level.

Stop it! At least give the Texans a chance. Game hasn’t even started yet and I want to hang on to my hopes for at least an hour or so. LOL

47 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:23:42pm

re: #46 allegro

Stop it! At least give the Texans a chance. Game hasn’t even started yet and I want to hang on to my hopes for at least an hour or so. LOL

Does that hour start now or does it start at the kickoff?

48 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:23:59pm

re: #46 allegro

Stop it! At least give the Texans a chance. Game hasn’t even started yet and I want to hang on to my hopes for at least an hour or so. LOL

Hoping the Texans have it in them. This Steelers fan really does not want another Ravens-Pats AFCCCG and I like Matt Schuab- UVA guy.

49 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:24:46pm

re: #47 SteveMcG

Does that hour start now or does it start at the kickoff?

Kick-off is in about 7 minutes so not a biggie either way. :P

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:25:16pm

re: #43 erik_t

We’re going to end up with Falcons-PatriotsRavens, because Jesus hates me on a deep and personal level.

*edit: god I forgot Baltimore is still in it. Ugh.

The only hope for joy today is if Houston can play their finest game ever. At least if Belechick is done for year it’s not quite so disgusting.

51 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:25:27pm

re: #43 erik_t

We’re going to end up with Falcons-Patriots, because Jesus hates me on a deep and personal level.

You mean you didn’t do any repenting after Patriots-Giants? Now you know why this is happening.

52 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:25:35pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

Seahawks-Falcons wow.

I love raptors. I’m so glad a team named after one won.

53 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:26:55pm

All I’ll say after watching the last 5 minutes of the Seattle/Atlanta game is if that’s the performance Seattle intended to take all the way to the Superbowl, then better they lose now and save themselves the embarrassment.

54 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:27:06pm

re: #48 HappyWarrior

Hoping the Texans have it in them. This Steelers fan really does not want another Ravens-Pats AFCCCG and I like Matt Schuab- UVA guy.

It could hang on JJ Watts having a fun day. Force of nature, he is, when he’s having fun taking out quarterbacks and blocking passes. Gotta do some damage to the Pats offense.

55 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:27:14pm

re: #50 William Barnett-Lewis

The only hope for joy today is if Houston can play their finest game ever. At least if Belechick is done for year it’s not quite so disgusting.

See, Baltimore, when Houston had their team robbed, they didn’t just turn around and rob some other city of their team.

Art Modell is currently being tickled by a red-hot demonic poker.

56 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:28:16pm

re: #44 allegro

Even worse, she has opinions. ZOMG

You can have a vagina, or you can have an opinion. You can’t have both.

57 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:28:51pm

re: #54 allegro

It could hang on JJ Watts having a fun day. Force of nature, he is, when he’s having fun taking out quarterbacks and blocking passes. Gotta do some damage to the Pats offense.

Yeah I’d say Watt’s the key to the game. If they’re getting pressure on Brady. This one will be interesting. Key to beating the Pats in my observations is getting Brady pressured and frustrated.

58 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:29:27pm

re: #56 Mentis Fugit

It might be fun to have a hand full of vaginas. Do you have an opinion on that?

59 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:31:04pm

re: #58 b_sharp

It might be fun to have a hand full of vaginas. Do you have an opinion on that?

In my experience it usually works the other way around.

(goes and sits in the corner)

60 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:33:44pm

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

Quartermasters Seaman Rashaun Plowden and 2nd Class Mary Carlton raise a church pennant above the American flag during worship services aboard USS Arlington (LPD 24) on Jan. 13, 2013.

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

61 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:34:46pm

Here’s the real messed up part:

It’s Sunday and I’m willing to bet a good number of people posting those comments consider themselves Christians.

I’m also willing to bet that many of these people were in church this morning singing God’s praises (perhaps even on stage in the choir). Heck it’s possible that one or more of these people was giving the MESSAGE this morning.

I’m also willing to be that Jesus himself would be utterly disgusted by this behavior.

I can’t fathom how a person could call themselves Christian and spout garbage like that.

These people need to take a long hard look in the mirror. They’re doing a disservice to the faith and don’t even know it.

62 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:35:03pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

Weird.

63 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:35:25pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

I thought the military was pretty unabashedly Christian leaning these days?

64 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:35:35pm

re: #61 dragonfire1981

Here’s the real messed up part:

It’s Sunday and I’m willing to bet a good number of people posting those comments consider themselves Christians.

I’m also willing to bet that many of these people were in church this morning singing God’s praises (perhaps even on stage in the choir). Heck it’s possible that one or more of these people was giving the MESSAGE this morning.

I’m also willing to be that Jesus himself would be utterly disgusted by this behavior.

I can’t fathom how a person could call themselves Christian and spout garbage like that.

These people need to take a long hard look in the mirror. They’re doing a disservice to the faith and don’t even know it.

Exhibit C on why I became atheist.

65 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:36:05pm

re: #63 dragonfire1981

I thought the military was pretty unabashedly Christian leaning these days?

Very.

66 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:36:12pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

I don’t really care what flag is being flown above an American flag on a US Navy ship as long as it’s not being flown above an American flag on a goddamned US Navy ship.

67 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:36:32pm

Per the last thread, I’m surprised I haven’t seen any calls to send the misogynists back to the Democratic Party.

68 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:36:55pm

re: #64 Mattand

Exhibit C on why I became atheist.

And you know, I can’t say I blame you. I totally understand.

I wish more Christians were good Christians. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

69 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:37:22pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

Nontroversy.

4 USC § 7(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy.

(my emphasis)

70 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:37:23pm
howed that Dunham “cared only about sex.”

Projecting just a little bit?

71 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:37:43pm

re: #66 erik_t

I don’t really care what flag is being flown above an American flag on a US Navy ship as long as it’s not being flown above an American flag on a goddamned US Navy ship.

We’re a secular nation. Any religious flag is illegal and inappropriate, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Pastafarian.

72 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:38:25pm

Gawker used to be very into hating on Lena Dunham. Not to invoke the MBF (begone, MBF!) Gawker hated on her because they thought she got her TV show by pulling nepotism strings because she’s “Laurie Simmons daughter.” Now who the fuck is Laurie Simmons?

It’s probably true that her parents might have moved in circles where they knew somebody who knew somebody who could get her scripts produced, because THAT’S THE NATURE OF THE BUSINESS but how many people know who or what Laurie Simmons is? (I don’t).

73 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:38:38pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

Nontroversy.

(my emphasis)

Weird/dumb. Learn something new every day, I guess.

74 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:39:07pm

re: #68 dragonfire1981

And you know, I can’t say I blame you. I totally understand.

I wish more Christians were good Christians. As they say, you catch more flies with honey.

Yeah, although I always try to qualify that with the standard “If it gets you through the day, go for it.” Just keep it out my government and don’t expect to be exempt from criticism.

75 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:39:25pm

re: #58 b_sharp

It might be fun to have a hand full of vaginas. Do you have an opinion on that?

I’m allowed to have an opinion, but erik_t has driven from my mind any recollection of what it was with his comment.

76 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:41:55pm
77 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:43:13pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

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Well, He got that partially right.

78 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:43:31pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

Nontroversy.

(my emphasis)

I want one with an atomic whirl.

79 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:45:27pm
80 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:46:33pm

re: #76 Vicious Babushka

@BryanJFischer Christianity the new porn: Victorian moralistic prudes insist it must be kept from eyes of children.

Bryan, when your services become as fun as what I see in pr0n, I’ll come back to church.

/

81 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:47:27pm

re: #71 Mattand

We’re a secular nation. Any religious flag is illegal and inappropriate, be it Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Pastafarian.

Christians have managed to get a lot of special legal benefits passed for themselves.

82 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:47:44pm

frank luntz is distressed

republican politicians have been speaking from their hearts again. this will never do

the gop spinmeister extraordinaire gives us a preview of how shit will be shined in the current election cycle:

Just saying “no” to the president has its limits…the first sentence out of their mouths should express respect for the American people, not disdain for the president they just reelected… The next step is to be more empathetic…

reframe the questions being asked… Obama has been asking America, “Should the rich pay more?” Thanks to public disdain for lobbyists and tax loopholes available only to the wealthy, election exit polls put support for this notion at 60 percent. But change the question to “Should Washington take more?,” and the answer is a resounding no.

That’s the question Republicans need to ask, along with: Is Washington spending your hard-earned money efficiently and effectively? Are we in this mess because Washington takes too little of your money or because it wastes too much?… A more powerful metaphor would be “piling debt on our children” or “mortgaging the American dream.”…

Instead of being the party of small businesses and job creators, House Republicans should become the party of hardworking taxpayers. After all, a small percentage of Americans think of themselves as job creators, but every American considers him or herself a hardworking taxpayer. It’s an even more powerful identity than the “middle class” the Democrats speak of so often. If the choice is between the party that fights for hardworking taxpayers and the party that fights for the middle class, Republicans win.

Conservatism thrives only when it’s infused with optimism — when it’s about what people can do when they’re in control. That was the secret of Ronald Reagan’s success. Republicans need to be more than just the party of people “who built it” — they should be the party of people who want to build it even better. Speak to voters’ aspirations, not just their pocketbooks, and emphasize how GOP solutions help the want-to-haves, not just the already-haves. That’s personal responsibility in action.

For example, when Republicans speak disdainfully about becoming a “food stamp nation,” it reinforces voters’ suspicions that they are callous. Instead, they should offer a positive message about how hard work, personal responsibility and earned success are better than government dependency. And instead of talking about “upward mobility,” Republicans should summarize the American dream concisely: “If you work hard and play by the rules, you should be able to get ahead.” Obama stole that line from them. It’s time to steal it back.

Instead of smaller government, they should talk about more efficient and effective government

Instead of tax reform, talk about making the IRS code simpler, flatter and fairer

In addition to cutting spending, they must talk about controlling — not capping — it

Instead of entitlement reform or controlling the growth of Medicare and Social Security, talk about how to save and strengthen these programs

Better than discussing economic opportunity and growth, Republicans should talk about creating a healthier and more secure economy

83 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:48:19pm

Reporting: Saw Silver Linings Playbook.

Loved it.

84 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:49:13pm

re: #81 jaunte

Christians have managed to get a lot of special legal benefits passed for themselves.

Yeah, but the Navy is open to atheists in their ranks.

//

85 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:50:28pm

Another “moderate” Texas Republican pipes up:

86 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:51:11pm

re: #81 jaunte

Christians have managed to get a lot of special legal benefits passed for themselves.

Please note that law applies to all religions for which the chaplain is conducting services on board.

87 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:51:31pm

re: #82 engineer cat

Shorter editorial: “It’s not the message, it’s the presentation!”

88 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:51:48pm

re: #85 jaunte

How to be inclusive, Republican-style: call Obama a niCLANG, but spell his name correctly and don’t emphasize the Hussein.

89 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:52:08pm

re: #85 jaunte

Another “moderate” Texas Republican pipes up:

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Cracker, redneck, inbred, and yokel are all common words too. Wonder how daledurbin feels about those.

90 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:52:48pm

re: #82 engineer cat

Do I have to care enough to read all that?

91 Sionainn  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:52:51pm

re: #85 jaunte

Another “moderate” Texas Republican pipes up:

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He’s a gem of a guy. *eye roll*

92 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:52:56pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

I only saw a mention of church services.

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the
same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of
America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains
at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during
church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall
display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or
international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior
prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United
States at any place within the United States or any Territory or
possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall
make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed
of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of
superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions
of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United
States at the headquarters of the United Nations.
[Link: uscode.house.gov…]

93 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:53:08pm

re: #88 erik_t

How to be inclusive, Republican-style: call Obama a niCLANG, but spell his name correctly and don’t emphasize the Hussein.

Why did he yell Obama?

94 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:54:08pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Why did he yell Obama?

Respect for the presidential office.

95 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:54:46pm

re: #92 jaunte

I only saw a mention of church services.

Exactly. No denomination or type of service is mentioned.

96 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:54:50pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

Outrageous outrage!
Seriously, it’s a tradition that has been going on for a very long time
Pennant (church)

The United States Navy maintains several church pennants, of which the appropriate one is flown immediately above the ensign wherever the ensign is displayed, at the gaff when under way, or at the flagstaff when not under way, when religious services are held aboard ship by a Navy chaplain.

It’s a signal flag which has been flown above the national flag (like all other signal flags) since about the 17th century.

97 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:55:03pm

re: #94 allegro

Respect for the presidential office.

Rriiightt.

98 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:55:24pm

re: #91 Sionainn

He must be trying to get Glen Beck’s attention.

99 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:56:07pm

re: #86 kirkspencer

Please note that law applies to all religions for which the chaplain is conducting services on board.

There’s a Jewish service flag too.

100 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:56:55pm

re: #95 kirkspencer

Probably just an artifact of 1942 legal language.

101 The Mountain That Blogs  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:56:56pm

re: #85 jaunte

No doubt he is passionate about his believes.

102 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:57:04pm

re: #98 jaunte

He must be trying to get Glen Beck’s attention.

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Wait, what is the mineral that made the news the other day. Paladium? Made me think that the tin-foil had crowd was using the wrong type of foil …

off to google.

103 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:57:24pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

There’s a Jewish service flag too.

And just those two. The stupid ‘judeo-christian’ thing. It’s so irritating that people don’t have more of a problem with this stuff.

Actually, for a lot of people, it’s beyond not just a problem— they want to see ‘majority’ religion win because they think themselves in the majority, as Christians. They tolerate Jewish religious freedom too, for the most part, for varied reasons, none of them based on actual separation of church and state.

104 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:57:42pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

There’s a Jewish service flag too.

But it is still considered a ‘church’ pennant, and it is to be flown when the chaplain is conducting services onboard.

105 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:58:11pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Outrageous outrage!
Seriously, it’s a tradition that has been going on for a very long time
Pennant (church)

It’s a signal flag which has been flown above the national flag (like all other signal flags) since about the 17th century.

Whatever.

106 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:58:12pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Shorter editorial: “It’s not the message, it’s the presentation!”

what’s the point of having a republican party if you aren’t trying to lower taxes on wealthy people and corporations and get rid of consumer protection regulations?

107 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 1:59:58pm

re: #103 Obdicut

And just those two. The stupid ‘judeo-christian’ thing. It’s so irritating that people don’t have more of a problem with this stuff.

Until 1975 all religions used the one church pennant when conducting services. SECNAVY authorized a separate (variant) pennant for jewish services in that year. In the late 1990s there was a movement to allow a third variant, one for Islamic services, which was to have final review in the mid-2000s. For obvious reasons that was tabled.

108 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:00:03pm

re: #98 jaunte

Can’t they move to the Arabian desert?

109 freetoken  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:00:32pm

re: #104 kirkspencer

Well, the USN does predate the Constitution, and they picked up a lot of tradition from the Royal Navy.

110 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:02:54pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

Do I have to care enough to read all that?

personally, i find it fascinating to learn that “job creators” earns a giant BULLSHIT FAIL, and is soon to be replaced by “hardworking taxpayers”

111 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:03:11pm

It’s rather sad that a religious flag is flown at all. The US Flag should be all that is needed. IMHO, it should represent, to the world, ALL PEOPLES.

112 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:03:14pm

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Outrageous outrage!
Seriously, it’s a tradition that has been going on for a very long time
Pennant (church)

So. Fucking. What.

113 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:03:45pm

My poor dogs. I should take them to their Auntie Dee’s before I watch football. One is hiding and the other is looking at me with eyes wide wondering if I’m about to go berserk. They don’t get who their normally mellow Mom is yelling at or why. LOL

114 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:03:54pm

re: #107 kirkspencer

Until 1975 all religions used the one church pennant when conducting services. SECNAVY authorized a separate (variant) pennant for jewish services in that year. In the late 1990s there was a movement to allow a third variant, one for Islamic services, which was to have final review in the mid-2000s. For obvious reasons that was tabled.

Ah thanks, I was just wondering if there was a Muslim service flag

115 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:04:10pm

re: #110 engineer cat

personally, i find it fascinating to learn that “job creators” earns a giant BULLSHIT FAIL, and is soon to be replaced by “hardworking taxpayers”

I think it’s just that today I am having a hard time untwisting the twisted rhetoric. I’d rather avoid it.

116 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:04:12pm

re: #107 kirkspencer

Until 1975 all religions used the one church pennant when conducting services. SECNAVY authorized a separate (variant) pennant for jewish services in that year. In the late 1990s there was a movement to allow a third variant, one for Islamic services, which was to have final review in the mid-2000s. For obvious reasons that was tabled.

Which is an absolute and clear sign that this really is literally about respecting establishment of some religions over others.

It’s these kind of absolutely clear violations of the first amendment that get completely ignored or handwaved by many who hyperventilate about the second, and many who see them as trivial or not a big deal.

117 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:04:31pm

re: #103 Obdicut

And just those two. The stupid ‘judeo-christian’ thing. It’s so irritating that people don’t have more of a problem with this stuff.

Actually, for a lot of people, it’s beyond not just a problem— they want to see ‘majority’ religion win because they think themselves in the majority, as Christians. They tolerate Jewish religious freedom too, for the most part, for varied reasons, none of them based on actual separation of church and state.

‘tolerate’ being the operative word here

118 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:05:06pm

Pastafarians meeting in the galley
Image: 41TcKJJK2DL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

119 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:05:30pm

Jewish service flag

goyishe kopf

120 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:05:43pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

The Kraken!

121 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:05:45pm

re: #110 engineer cat

personally, i find it fascinating to learn that “job creators” earns a giant BULLSHIT FAIL, and is soon to be replaced by “hardworking taxpayers”

The scary thing is that they got so far with pure bullshit that every economist knows is a lie. The could have won, you know. People really are suckers.

122 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:07:38pm

I”ve noticed a total division in the thinking of those I talk with about Reproductive Rights.

Democrats will respond “I want . . .for me and everyone.”

Republicans will respond “I think people should . . ”

Rather telling don’t you think?

I’m beginning to notice the same thing with just about every subject. I seems to apply to this flag business.

123 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:08:59pm

re: #121 stabby

The scary thing is that they got so far with pure bullshit that every economist knows is a lie. The could have won, you know. People really are suckers.

there’s a seeker born every minute

124 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:09:16pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

It’s rather sad that a religious flag is flown at all. The US Flag should be all that is needed. IMHO, it should represent, to the world, ALL PEOPLES.

Strange that is it the demonized UN flag that does represent All People to the world.

125 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:09:54pm

1/3 of American women have had abortions.

What percent of Republican women I wonder? It must be pretty high or there wouldn’t be so many Republican women.

126 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:10:15pm

Two Naval church pennants. One for a religion that currently makes up 76.0% of the American population and another that makes up 1.2% of the population. Agnostic and atheists are at 1.6% of the population. Apparently the official state religions of the USA is Christianity and Judaism. Interesting to ponder.

127 kirkspencer  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:10:19pm

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

It’s rather sad that a religious flag is flown at all. The US Flag should be all that is needed. IMHO, it should represent, to the world, ALL PEOPLES.

OK, this is an obvious misunderstanding.

It is a pennant. The navy uses pennants as signals. They’re codes from a time predating radio, telling other ships status, intentions, and in some cases commands. In this case it’s a code for “the chaplain on board this ship is conducting services”. Chaplains are supposed to give non-denominational services, and not every ship in a group (flotilla, squadron, etc) may have a chaplain. This signal notifies of the opportunity - assuming conditions allow - for crewpersons from other ships to attend the service.

The only legacy of a time when the church had more say in the state - from before it was US - is the fact it’s flown above the national standard during the actual service. Should it be change? Yeah, probably. Will it? Probably not - it’s relatively low on almost all the priorities around.

128 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:10:38pm

re: #125 stabby

1/3 of American women have had abortions.

What percent of Republican women I wonder? It must be pretty high or there wouldn’t be so many Republican women.

Some animals are more equal than others.

Still others need to be protected from themselves.

129 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:11:27pm

re: #127 kirkspencer

OK, this is an obvious misunderstanding.

It is a pennant. The navy uses pennants as signals. They’re codes from a time predating radio, telling other ships status, intentions, and in some cases commands. In this case it’s a code for “the chaplain on board this ship is conducting services”. Chaplains are supposed to give non-denominational services, and not every ship in a group (flotilla, squadron, etc) may have a chaplain. This signal notifies of the opportunity - assuming conditions allow - for crewpersons from other ships to attend the service.

The only legacy of a time when the church had more say in the state - from before it was US - is the fact it’s flown above the national standard during the actual service. Should it be change? Yeah, probably. Will it? Probably not - it’s relatively low on almost all the priorities around.

Ah!

130 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:12:09pm

re: #6 iceweasel

Giggles. And waves!

131 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:12:09pm

re: #128 FemNaziBitch

How is it that they seem to be against the inferior races breeding but don’t want them to have abortions?

It must be that they’re against brown people having orgasms or something…. >.

132 Stan the Demanded Plan  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:12:29pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

I”ve noticed a total division in the thinking of those I talk with about Reproductive Rights.

Democrats will respond “I want …for me and everyone.”

Republicans will respond “I think people should . . ”

Rather telling don’t you think?

I’m beginning to notice the same thing with just about every subject. I seems to apply to this flag business.

I posted this earlier this am. I think it says it ALL.

133 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:12:30pm

re: #116 Obdicut

Which is an absolute and clear sign that this really is literally about respecting establishment of some religions over others.

It’s these kind of absolutely clear violations of the first amendment that get completely ignored or handwaved by many who hyperventilate about the second, and many who see them as trivial or not a big deal.

To be clearer about this: Whether or not we forbid or allow something shouldn’t have to do with the magnitude of the problem, but the clarity of constitutional certainty. There’s varied interpretations of the constitution, but beyond the really extremist there’s none that hold that the state can promote one religion over another. Whatever the purpose of the ensigns is, they are establishing those religions as respected and advertised in some manner that others are not. It is a clear constitutional violation and violates no ones freedoms to remove it, either; it is not a case of competing first amendment stuff.

It’s important to draw the line firmly where we can, where things are obvious, because it’s by the body of law as observed that we actually create the boundary between church and state. It’s not the letter of the law. And allowing stuff like this has a pervasive effect both socially and legally.

134 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:12:33pm

fuckfuckfuckfuck

135 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:13:20pm

re: #134 allegro

Is there a pennant for that?

136 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:14:01pm

re: #127 kirkspencer

It’s also trivial to change it to a non-denominational ensign.

137 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:14:20pm

Christians First, Americans Second | Pew Research Center 2007

Among non-Muslim nations, the United States is the outlier in terms of religious self-identification; about four in ten U.S. adults see themselves as Christians first rather than as Americans first, while an additional 7% say they self-identify as both equally according to the 2006 Pew Global Attitudes survey. In this regard, the views of Americans closely parallel those of French Muslims, 46% of whom think of themselves first in terms of their religion rather than their nationality. By contrast, only a third of German Christians (33%), and fewer than a quarter of British, French and Spanish Christians self-identify primarily with their religion. Read More

138 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:15:18pm

re: #131 stabby

How is it that they seem to be against the inferior races breeding but don’t want them to have abortions?

It must be that they’re against brown people having orgasms or something…. >.

It’s about aligning behavior to a standard and holding people accountable. The problem is that we keep arguing which is the job of religion and which is the job of government.

People confuse the laws of heaven with the laws of men.

Sex, IMHO, is not government’s business. (albiet, two consulting adults who are mentally and physically able to consent)

139 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:15:50pm

re: #137 Gus

This is probably the reason the Republican party has a problem moving to the center.

140 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:17:03pm

re: #135 jaunte

Is there a pennant for that?

No. You have to fly the “fuck” pennant with the numeric “4” pennant above it.

141 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:17:27pm

re: #137 Gus

I am willing to bet that they also think of themselves as patriotic, and see no conflict in that.

142 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:18:03pm

re: #140 Mentis Fugit

No. You have to fly the “fuck” pennant with the numeric “4” pennant above it.

4?

143 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:19:42pm
144 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:20:37pm

There seem to be groups of people who are pushing for a theocracy. Here and in other parts of the world. The author of one of the last books I read touched on that. He said that when the rule of law, or some aspects of it are perceived to be lacking, people look for political order.

Thus, the push for what seems to have worked in the past, i.e. Sharia. And now we see it from the Christian Right here in this country.

I’m not quite sure what part of the political order seems to have broken down for these individuals —I suspect having a black man in the Oval Office is at the heart of it.

145 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:20:55pm

re: #60 Gus

USS Arlington (LPD 24)

More like a Christian pennant. So much for the Establishment Clause.

FYI:

“When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.”

[Link: www.usflag.org…]

146 erik_t  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:21:00pm

re: #141 Obdicut

I am willing to bet that they also think of themselves as patriotic, and see no conflict in that.

Obligatory H.W. Bush quote* goes here.

No, I don’t know that atheists should be regarded as citizens, nor should they be regarded as patriotic. This is one nation under God.… I support the separation of church and state. I’m just not very high on atheists.

147 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:22:21pm

re: #145 austin_blue

FYI:

“When it is displayed from the same flagpole with another flag - of a state, community, society or Scout unit - the flag of the United States must always be at the top except that the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for Navy personnel when conducted by a Naval chaplain on a ship at sea.”

[Link: www.usflag.org…]

Yes. I read that four times now. Every change begins with a question.

148 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:23:05pm

re: #146 erik_t

Hey, remember when they talked like theocrats but they didn’t really mean it?

Coming next, the Republican party brings back drowning witches and stoning adulteresses.

149 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:24:00pm

Also, slavery.

150 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:26:02pm

re: #148 stabby

Hey, remember when they talked like theocrats but they didn’t really mean it?

Coming next, the Republican party brings back drowning witches and stoning adulteresses.

Poor Ann Coulter…

151 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:26:25pm

re: #150 austin_blue

Poor Ann Coulter…

Oh, 1K updings, if I could.

152 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:26:36pm

re: #147 Gus

Yes. I read that four times now. Every change begins with a question.

The dummy who posted that article should have taken the 30 seconds to google and educate himself before declaring it some sort of Christian supremacist violation of flag protocol. Second, it’s silly to get upset about symbols, flags and people practicing their own religious beliefs and traditions. Let them fly their flag, it hurts nobody.

153 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:27:33pm

re: #140 Mentis Fugit

No. You have to fly the “fuck” pennant with the numeric “4” pennant above it.

Actually, they just might as well put a phallis on it like the “advertisments” in ancient rome and greece for brothels.

154 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:28:51pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Oh, 1K updings, if I could.

Finished the Beggar Series thru book 4 and am on to All The Kings Men by Robert Penn Warren.

I’m certainly getting a lot in this Winter.

155 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:29:28pm

I remember when Dan Quayle got upset about a fictional TV character haveing a baby out of wedlock. This has a long tradition in the GOP.

156 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:29:57pm

re: #150 austin_blue

Coming next, the Republican party brings back drowning witches and stoning adulteresses.

Poor Christine O’Donnell.

157 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:30:15pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

This is exactly the sort of blinkered attitude I’m talking about.

We have a problem with Christian extremism in this country because they get coddled by idiots who can’t see the danger. We have all sorts of problems stemming from Christian extremism in this country, from religion being forced into schools, abortion laws, anti-muslim laws, denial of science in general. It stems from Radical Christianity that asserts that religion should be a secular power, that government should be run along religious lines.

Hoisting a flag that denotes a specific religious service— and in this case, the only available flags being ‘Christian’ and the fig leaf of ‘Jewish’, and specifically not the Muslim flag, or any other religion’s flag— is one of the things that blurs the church-state division in peoples’ minds, and that is really fucking us over as a country. Religious people understand that symbols matter. You apparently don’t.

158 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:31:17pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

The dummy who posted that article should have taken the 30 seconds to google and educate himself before declaring it some sort of Christian supremacist violation of flag protocol. Second, it’s silly to get upset about symbols, flags and people practicing their own religious beliefs and traditions. Let them fly their flag, it hurts nobody.

Yes. We should accept everything in society without questioning it even those things codified by law. That’s how a democracy operates. Through blind obedience of law. This is a sign of moral bravery.

159 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:31:23pm

re: #155 Sol Berdinowitz

Take a look at my number #35. :)

160 BroncD  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:32:47pm

And yet we’re the ones being accused of hatred and bullying.

161 stabby  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:33:58pm

re: #160 BroncD

Disobedience is hatred! And bullying!

162 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:34:09pm

re: #158 Gus

Yes. We should accept everything in society without questioning it even those things codified by law. That’s how a democracy operates. Through blind obedience of law. This is a sign of moral bravery.

Don’t worry your pretty little head about separation of church and state. It’s no problem, especially in the military.

[Link: www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org…]

For many years, the “purpose” statement of the Officers’ Christian Fellowship (OCF), an organization of over 15,000 fundamentalist Christian officers operating throughout the military, was:“A spiritually transformed military, with ambassadors for Christ in uniform, empowered by the Holy Spirit.”

163 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:37:34pm

re: #159 PhillyPretzel

Take a look at my number #35. :)

Yes, just coming in at the tail end of the thread…Point is, these people cannot tell the difference between TV and reality, nor can they tell the difference between 4,000-year old mythologies and modern science.

164 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:37:39pm

re: #162 Obdicut

Don’t worry your pretty little head about separation of church and state. It’s no problem, especially in the military.

[Link: www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org…]

In 2005, there were approximately 211,000 officers in the various services. I’m backing the 93% who don’t believe this.

165 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:40:05pm

re: #162 Obdicut

Don’t worry your pretty little head about separation of church and state. It’s no problem, especially in the military.

[Link: www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org…]

Spiritual Fitness

Here’s their “none” page. Notice how they don’t link to anything.

166 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:42:01pm

What Did Google Earth Spot in the Chinese Desert? Even an Ex-CIA Analyst Isn’t Sure

Neither flag or pennant is flying above it.

I think it is really from a video game

167 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:42:29pm

re: #165 Gus

Spiritual Fitness

Here’s there “none” page. Notice how they don’t link to anything.

But I thought there was a War on Yoga.

168 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:42:40pm

re: #164 austin_blue

That’s just one of the religious groups, one of the more egregious. There’s lots of more ‘moderate’ forms of Christian organizing and proselytization in the military. There’s just way too much background tolerance for it.

169 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:44:15pm

re: #168 Obdicut

That’s just one of the religious groups, one of the more egregious. There’s lots of more ‘moderate’ forms of Christian organizing and proselytization in the military. There’s just way too much background tolerance for it.

I have concerns about proselytization as often it is done at the expense of mental health care. Thus preserving the stigma.

170 BroncD  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:45:45pm

It always cracks me up to see these losers act like they’re so desirable. Like women are just lining up to jump in the sack with a bunch of fat, racist, misogynist fucks.

This is the same mentality that convinces them women don’t get raped all that often. They must have secretly wanted it.

Because, really, who could resist the average Breitbart reader? Besides lesbians, of course.

171 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:46:46pm

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK X 4!!!!

172 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:46:58pm

re: #165 Gus

Spiritual Fitness

Here’s there “none” page. Notice how they don’t link to anything.

Oh, great, an actual military site promoting spiritual fitness as a valid concept. For chrissakes.

In ludicrous, only-in-the-military fashion, navigating from ‘none’ I was able to get to “inspiriational quotes 4 U” and get to this page:

[Link: www.inspirationalquotes4u.com…]

Which includes this quote:

Some of you young men think that war is all glamour and glory, but let me tell you, boys, it is all hell!

Which I’m not sure how it’s supposed to inspire anyone in the military, except that I guess when Sherman said it it did weirdly but I think you kind of have to be Sherman himself saying it to have the desired effect. Nicely subversive, maybe.

173 Obdicut  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:47:19pm

re: #171 allegro

FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK X 4!!!!

Is there something you wanted to talk about?

174 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:48:16pm

re: #170 BroncD

It always cracks me up to see these losers act like they’re so desirable. Like women are just lining up to jump in the sack with a bunch of fat, racist, misogynist fucks.

This is the same mentality that convinces them women don’t get raped all that often. They must have secretly wanted it.

Because, really, who could resist the average Breitbart reader? Besides lesbians, of course.

Yeah because sucking cock is on the top of our daily wish list.

didn’t you know. We just can’t WAIT for the opportunity.

/

175 allegro  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:48:28pm

re: #173 Obdicut

Is there something you wanted to talk about?

I’m watching football. Carry on.

176 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:48:45pm

Comprehensive Soldier Fitness

The Comprehensive Soldier Fitness (CSF) is a program of the United States Army that was launched in October 2009.[1] With the long wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, many soldiers experienced financial, marital and other personal problems, presumably due to serial deployments and spending significant periods of time away from their families. The Army approached the University of Pennsylvania Resiliency Project team[2] with developing a program for the Army to teach resiliency to Soldiers. After the expenditure of approximately $117 million, a program was developed. They developed the Master Resilience Training program (MRT)[3] as a part of the Comprehensive Soldier Fitness program. Brigadier General Rhonda Cornum is the director of the CSF program.

Continues.

Army’s ‘Spiritual Fitness’ Test Angers Some Soldiers

Multiple tours in Iraq and Afghanistan have taken a toll on soldiers: Witness the rise in suicides and other stress-related disorders. A few years ago, the Army noticed that some soldiers fared better than others, and it wondered: Why?

One reason, says Brig. Gen. Rhonda Cornum, is that people who are inclined toward spirituality seem to be more resilient.

“Researchers have found that spiritual people have decreased odds of attempting suicide, and that spiritual fitness has a positive impact on quality of life, on coping and on mental health,” says Cornum, who is director of Comprehensive Soldier Fitness.

Continues.

Military Religious Freedom Foundation | The Constitutional Conscience of the United States Military

“When one proudly dons a U.S. Military uniform, there is only one religious symbol: the American flag. There is only one religious scripture: the American Constitution. Finally, there is only one religious faith: American patriotism.”
— Mikey Weinstein

MRFF’s Motto Validated by U.S. Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz – Air Force Magazine Daily Report

Having Faith in the Academy: The Air Force needs to put “constant attention” on its efforts to promote diversity of beliefs at the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, Colo., Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz told reporters Tuesday. Responding to questions about the school’s challenges regarding religious tolerance of non-Christians, Schwartz, who is USAF’s first Jewish Chief of Staff, said the Air Force must have access “to the largest possible pool of talent” and can’t afford to discriminate against anyone. Officials must routinely check the academy’s curriculum to ensure that it promotes “diversity and respect” for all beliefs, he said. “This is not about me,” said Schwartz, himself an academy grad. “It’s about our Air Force,” he continued, adding, “We need to be inclusive.” The only faith the academy should be preaching, he said, is “public service.”

177 blueraven  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:48:49pm

re: #152 Killgore Trout

The dummy who posted that article should have taken the 30 seconds to google and educate himself before declaring it some sort of Christian supremacist violation of flag protocol. Second, it’s silly to get upset about symbols, flags and people practicing their own religious beliefs and traditions. Let them fly their flag, it hurts nobody

Fine, if there is a flag available for all religions, but there isn’t. Everyone who disagrees with you isn’t a dummy or a moonbat.

178 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:49:15pm

re: #166 FemNaziBitch

What Did Google Earth Spot in the Chinese Desert? Even an Ex-CIA Analyst Isn’t Sure

Neither flag or pennant is flying above it.

I think it is really from a video game

Qanat . They’re a very ancient system of underground aqueducts. An aerial pic here.
Image: qanat_anshan_air_s.jpg

I think this is one of those “mystery” stories that pops up every couple of years. I’m pretty sure this was making the rounds about 2-3 years ago too.

179 jaunte  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:49:55pm

re: #177 blueraven

Fine, if there is a flag available for all religions.

The sky works pretty well.

180 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:52:27pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

There’s a Jewish service flag too.

And during the rest of the week, when there are no services, they fly our “None of the Above” pennant.

181 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:53:23pm

This will make you laugh.

God and Country » Search Results » atheists at christianfighterpilot dot com.

Check out what he tags as atheism.

182 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:53:58pm

re: #165 Gus

Spiritual Fitness

Here’s there “none” page. Notice how they don’t link to anything.

I had an Aircraft Commander who was like these guys back in the early 80’s. I asked him how a good Christian could fly a machine whose sole purpose was to kill millions of innocents. He had no answer, but these guys have always been around.

He ended up trading crewmen until he had what was referred to as “The Jesus Crew”. Cognitive disconnect!

183 TedStriker  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:57:06pm

re: #182 austin_blue

I had an Aircraft Commander who was like these guys back in the early 80’s. I asked him how a good Christian could fly a machine whose sole purpose was to kill millions of innocents. He had no answer, but these guys have always been around.

He ended up trading crewmen until he had what was referred to as “The Jesus Crew”. Cognitive disconnect!

Extremely dangerous to have an fundie echo chamber made up of people in charge of delivering enough ordinance to obliterate a small town.

184 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:58:02pm

re: #183 TedStriker

Extremely dangerous to have an fundie echo chamber made up of people in charge of delivering enough ordinance to obliterate a small town.

You just won one internets!

185 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:58:46pm
Just seeing the HBO label kinda gives me a WTF feeling so I didn’t read it

So conservatives get a bad feeling from quality television? When that HBO logo and sound come up on my TV, I get a little excited because I know what I’m about to see will be leaps and bounds beyond broadcast television.

186 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:59:03pm

re: #182 austin_blue

I had an Aircraft Commander who was like these guys back in the early 80’s. I asked him how a good Christian could fly a machine whose sole purpose was to kill millions of innocents. He had no answer, but these guys have always been around.

He ended up trading crewmen until he had what was referred to as “The Jesus Crew”. Cognitive disconnect!

The 80s. That’s when all of this began. Before that religion was more private. At least it seemed that way to me.

187 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 2:59:05pm

re: #183 TedStriker

Extremely dangerous to have an fundie echo chamber made up of people in charge of delivering enough ordinance to obliterate a small town.

Dude, if you ran a fully loaded B-52 from Atlanta to Boston, you could kill almost 100,000,000 people.

188 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:02:37pm

Anyway. I won’t be writing my congressman over this. ;)

189 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:03:00pm

re: #186 Gus

The 80s. That’s when all of this began. Before that religion was more private. At least it seemed that way to me.

I think faith is a very private aspect of a person’s life.

I cringe when I hear people espousing G-d and shit. I have to wonder why they feel the need to talk so much about it. It seems like an insecurity, like they are trying to convince themselves.

190 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:03:20pm

re: #188 Gus

Anyway. I won’t be writing my congressman over this. ;)

pennants or flags?

191 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:03:37pm

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

pennants or flags?

Both.

192 Gus  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:07:13pm

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

I think faith is a very private aspect of a person’s life.

I cringe when I hear people espousing G-d and shit. I have to wonder why they feel the need to talk so much about it. It seems like an insecurity, like they are trying to convince themselves.

It’s like being a boast about. “Look at me I’m a real Christian and the rest of you are not like me!” Sort of like conspicuous consumption. Bling. In this case it’s like conspicuous religiosity.

193 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:09:16pm

re: #181 Gus

Ugh.

I don’t get how people can read that and not see a problem with flying religious flags over navy ships, military bases, etc. The “Well, they’ve always done it/it’s tradition” excuse is just that: an excuse.

194 Decatur Deb  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:17:06pm

re: #193 Mattand

Ugh.

I don’t get how people can read that and not see a problem with flying religious flags over navy ships, military bases, etc. The “Well, they’ve always done it/it’s tradition” excuse is just that: an excuse.

The separation under 1A is very important, BUT the military chaplaincy is one of those special cases that prove the rule. The majority of our soldiers are believers. It would be ridiculous to deny them the structure of religious support while asking them to go uphill against a machinegun.

The government puts religious symbols on their Government Issue tombstones, too. That includes atheists, if they want.

Image: Gravestone,_United_Church_of_Religious_Science_and_Atheist.jpg

195 Mattand  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 3:40:31pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

The separation under 1A is very important, BUT the military chaplaincy is one of those special cases that prove the rule. The majority of our soldiers are believers. It would be ridiculous to deny them the structure of religious support while asking them to go uphill against a machinegun.

The government puts religious symbols on their Government Issue tombstones, too. That includes atheists, if they want.

Image: Gravestone,_United_Church_of_Religious_Science_and_Atheist.jpg

They’re free to believe what they want to believe. I don’t see the point of flying religious flags. As others have pointed out, there’s apparently on two sanctioned military religions. Can you imagine the uproar if a Navy ship flew a Muslim flag?

196 SteveMcG  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 4:27:12pm

re: #156 stabby

Poor Christine O’Donnell.

She said she wasn’t a witch and I have to take her word for it. Didn’t somebody say something like that about Barack Obama? “He says he’s a Christian and I had to take him at his word…”

197 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jan 13, 2013 6:04:40pm

re: #189 FemNaziBitch

I think faith is a very private aspect of a person’s life.

I cringe when I hear people espousing G-d and shit. I have to wonder why they feel the need to talk so much about it. It seems like an insecurity, like they are trying to convince themselves.

Faith may be so for some, but religion demands public expression, be it in the Vatican courtyard, a mega church somewhere, or a little one, or Muslims who need to show each other that they pray, whether in a mosque or not, and so on.

198 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:49:51am

re: #197 Achilles Tang

Faith may be so for some, but religion demands public expression, be it in the Vatican courtyard, a mega church somewhere, or a little one, or Muslims who need to show each other that they pray, whether in a mosque or not, and so on.

I don’t know if religion demands public expression. Certainly many religious leaders expect public expression. Jesus told people to go prayer quietly in their rooms, and not make a public spectacle of themselves, but many seem to forget that advisory. For most people, religious worship is a group activity — a community thing — so it ends up being public. Some go to keep up appearances. Others to meet friends. And others go to actually worship.

199 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:24:16am
This is what happens when you put an ugly pear shaped chick in front of a camera. She’s not a six packer—she’s a 12-packer—and I am talking 12 high alcohol imports

[…]

This homely looking person is a hater, she should be tard and feathered and thrown in to the cesspool Chicago with the rest of the haters.

[…]

I wouldn’t f*ck Lena Dunham with her own d*ck.

[…]

This little piggy can’t even fasten the top hook of her dress…

No discussion thread worthy of the name could do without these high-minded, Judeo-Christianist commenters. /

200 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:21:03pm

The comments on Breitbart kind of sound Nazi-ish. Kind of ironic that they’re supposedly outraged at being called Nazis by a fake tv character.


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