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1 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:37:58pm

Instead of raising the debt ceiling, can’t we lower the debt floor?

(As a numismatist, I would have loved there to be a trillion-dollar platinum coin!)

2 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:39:40pm

The GOP has been the party of the absurd for years now.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:42:59pm

I don’t think Boehner is in a position to negotiate with his own party, therefore, he cannot come to any terms with Obama.

4 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:43:07pm

I wish he wouldn’t use loaded terms like “fair share.” Can’t he just say “by making the wealthiest pay more?”

5 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:43:09pm

“We are not a deadbeat nation.”

Great statement.

6 Destro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:44:47pm

Obama needs to go on primetime TV - tell the American people he is constitutionally obligated to pay America’s debt that Congress has already spent and that he will order Treasury to issue bonds to pay the debt in question and dare the GOP to impeach him for carrying out his constitutional obligations.

Also, call the GOP strategy insane and moonabatty - really insult them and bait them, so they can do nothing else but go crazier and try and destroy this country while Obama using the powers of the presidency saves it. My guess is 2 years from now the GOP will lose the House after this.

7 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:44:56pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

“We are not a deadbeat nation.”

Great statement.

And somewhere in America, former congressman Joe Walsh cursed into his scotch.

8 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:45:03pm

It’s maddening to consider how much money and time is being wasted with this insane right wing extortion attempt.

9 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:45:28pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

“We are not a deadbeat nation.”

No, but unfortunately we have a deadbeat party.

10 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:45:47pm

re: #3 Sol Berdinowitz

I don’t think Boehner is in a position to negotiate with his own party, therefore, he cannot come to any terms with Obama.

The man routinely loses arguments to inanimate objects like a bottle of scotch and tubes of bronzing cream. I don’t think he’s ready to take on anything that can argue back.

11 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:47:32pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

It’s maddening to consider how much money and time is being wasted with this insane right wing extortion attempt.

All this government shutdown talk is really cutting into their repeal Obamacare effort.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:48:07pm

re: #11 Kragar

All this government shutdown talk is really cutting into their repeal Obamacare effort.

And their efforts to defend the 2nd Amendment…

13 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:48:34pm

re: #11 Kragar

All this government shutdown talk is really cutting into their repeal Obamacare effort.

Obamacare? Puhlease, don’t you know at this very moment a woman might be getting an abortion???

14 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:50:49pm

re: #12 Sol Berdinowitz

And their efforts to defend the 2nd Amendment…

And you see, this is relevant because attempting to limit high capacity assault weapons and tighter background checks would have stopped a private citizen from legally owning a handgun for self defense and…

Wait a minute.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:50:53pm

re: #13 Ghost of Tom Joad

Obamacare? Puhlease, don’t you know at this very moment a woman might be getting an abortion???

or taking contraceptives so she can enjoy sex without fear of getting pregnant.

16 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:51:38pm

re: #15 Sol Berdinowitz

or taking contraceptives so she can enjoy sex without fear of getting pregnant.

Sex without fear or shame? WHAT KIND OF LIBERAL HELLHOLE IS THIS PLACE?

17 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:52:26pm

re: #14 Kragar

A ban on assault weapons is a very slipperly slope on the way to FEMA trailer prisons and Twitter Gulags. /

18 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:52:36pm

Voting on a budget then refusing to raise the debt ceiling is akin to ordering rounds of drinks at a bar and refusing to pay your bill, then wondering why they won’t let you run a tab any more.

19 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:54:00pm

re: #17 Bulworth

A ban on assault weapons is a very slipperly slope on the way to FEMA trailer prisons and Twitter Gulags. /

First you get your quick and efficient government handling of disaster aid and relief, then you get your death camps.

ITS ABSOLUTELY HITLERIAN!

20 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:54:07pm

re: #18 SidewaysQuark

Well, they voted on a budget and then Obama went and spent a cadrillion dollars on a big platinum mint coin that was a big as an air-craft carrier. /

21 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:54:26pm

re: #14 Kragar

@BryanJFischer ANOTHER robbery foiled by a homeowner with a gun. Second Amendment saves lives.

♫ One of these things is not like the other… ♫

22 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:55:59pm

re: #6 Destro

I really don’t think he’s ever going to have that moment like Michael Douglas in “The American President” whereas he just lays it out to the people. He’s a little better during this presser, but everything is still done in a..’proper’ manner, so to speak. It would be nice, if at least once during his Presidency, he went President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Idiocracy) and just verbally abused the GOP.

23 andres  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:56:14pm

re: #4 ReamWorks SKG

I wish he wouldn’t use loaded terms like “fair share.” Can’t he just say “by making the wealthiest pay more?”

When dealing with extremists, everything is a loaded term. Obama’s best chance is to appeal to the (sane) people and hope they make the push. And this term is quite innocuous on this constituency.

24 andres  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #22 Ghost of Tom Joad

I really don’t think he’s ever going to have that moment like Michael Douglas in “The American President” whereas he just lays it out to the people. He’s a little better during this presser, but everything is still done in a..’proper’ manner, so to speak. It would be nice, if at least once during his Presidency, he went President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Idiocracy) and just verbally abused the GOP.

Not his style. But I do know someone who could pull that off with ease.

25 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:00:58pm

I’m still waiting for the GOPteabag to (1) actually implement the sequestration cuts they demanded the last time to raise the debt ceiling and (2) identify in plain English and with real math exactly what spending this year is a problem and if that can be done, specifically propose cutting it.

26 Ian G.  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:00:59pm

I’m glad to see Obama seems to have learned his lesson from the last time the GOP did this.

Word of advice, Barack: when the GOP douses itself in gasoline, offer to light the match for them.

27 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:01:16pm

re: #24 andres

Not his style. But I do know someone who could pull that off with ease.

I loved when he just laughed at Paul Ryan, like “who is this insignificant turd stinking up my airspace.”

28 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:01:32pm

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the city

Two men walked the streets of Portland armed with assault weapons earlier this week because they said they wanted to “educate” residents, who reacted by fleeing and calling police.

Warren Drouin and Steven Boyce told KPTV that they were forced to take drastic measure to make sure people were aware of their Second Amendment rights after 20 children in Connecticut were massacred with same type of AR-15 rifles they were carrying.

“We’re not threatening anyone,” Drouin explained. “We don’t have that type of criminal behavior.”

“This happens to open that line of communication, to let people know that you can defend yourself in a time of crisis or any time that you want to,” Boyce added.

But KPTV’s Kaitlyn Bolduc reported that the demonstration created a “state of panic” in Portland’s Sellwood neighborhood.

“Employees inside of E Hair Studio hid in the back of the salon and locked there doors, while other ran for help for fear the two were really there to cause harm,” Bolduc said.

Police spoke to Drouin and Boyce and said the conceal-carry permit holders had not broken any laws.

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

29 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:01:48pm

re: #26 Ian G.

I’m glad to see Obama seems to have learned his lesson from the last time the GOP did this.

Word of advice, Barack: when the GOP douses itself in gasoline, offer to light the match for them.

Wanna borrow mah Bic?

30 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:02:57pm

re: #23 andres

When dealing with extremists, everything is a loaded term. Obama’s best chance is to appeal to the (sane) people and hope they make the push. And this term is quite innocuous on this constituency.

These are people who count the number of pronouns and then write 5000 words articles about it.

Sanity is not their forte.

31 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:03:12pm

re: #24 andres

Not his style. But I do know someone who could pull that off with ease.

Talks quietly and then lets Biden come into the room with the fireplace poker yelling “You want to get crazy! Then let’s get crazy!”

32 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:03:57pm

re: #25 Bulworth

And by spending this year I mean not spending thirty years, which hasn’t been spent yet. What money has been spent this year, since the last time the debt ceiling was raised that is a problem.

Money that hasn’t been spent this year, that will be spent in future decades, is not a rationale, or at least not a meaningful one, for not raising the debt ceiling for today’s spending. Debates about spending that hasn’t occured yet can be debated outside of the hostage-taking process.

33 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:04:18pm

In Florida, those 2 guys from Portland could have been shot dead in the street by anyone choosing to Stand Their Ground.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:04:47pm

re: #25 Bulworth

I’m still waiting for the GOPteabag to (1) actually implement the sequestration cuts they demanded the last time to raise the debt ceiling and (2) identify in plain English and with real math exactly what spending this year is a problem and if that can be done, specifically propose cutting it.

Your error is assuming the GOPTBP wants to govern more then they want to keep getting themselves elected. They have no desire to actually mention specifics, just vague goals. It worked like crackerjack for the Romney campaign last year.
/

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:04:55pm

re: #28 Kragar

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the city

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

This is what I meant in an earlier thread about how these guys are going keep ramping up the provocative and threatening behavior until the government feels compelled to respond, at which point they are going to see it as proof that that is what the government had intended the whole time…

36 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:05:02pm

re: #28 Kragar

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the city

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

I’ll never get this. At minimum, there should have been a charge for disturbing the peace.

37 andres  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:05:46pm

re: #30 Kragar

These are people who count the number of pronouns and then write 5000 words articles about it.

Sanity is not their forte.

Reality is not their forte either.

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:06:03pm

re: #33 Kragar

In Florida, those 2 guys from Portland could have been shot dead in the street by anyone choosing to Stand Their Ground.

In Soviet Russia Stan grind you!
;)
//

39 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:06:26pm

re: #36 allegro

I’ll never get this. At minimum, there should have been a charge for disturbing the peace.

You can’t yell “fire” in a movie theater, but apparently you can carry your assault weapon to one.

40 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:06:44pm

re: #36 allegro

I’ll never get this. At minimum, there should have been a charge for disturbing the peace.

This remains my favorite response to those compensating cretins:

41 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:07:58pm

re: #28 Kragar

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the city

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

As I said about this last week, if these guys were black, the police would blown them to pieces.

42 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:08:03pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

This remains my favorite response to those compensating cretins:

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LOL

43 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:08:10pm

re: #39 Kragar

You can’t yell “fire” in a movie theater, but apparently you can carry your assault weapon to one.

Seriously. If the guys had been walking around with their peckers hanging out, they would have been arrested even though they caused little more than laughter. We have some very fucked up laws.

44 Amory Blaine  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:11:31pm

They should mint the coin with Boehner on one side and Cantor on the other. “Deadbeats” stamped around the perimeter.

45 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:11:34pm

re: #14 Kragar

[Embedded content]

And you see, this is relevant because attempting to limit high capacity assault weapons and tighter background checks would have stopped a private citizen from legally owning a handgun for self defense and…

Wait a minute.

Bryan Fischer is kind of like the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion all wrapped up in one. He’s lacking a heart, brains and courage.

Unlike those characters, he’s too dense to ask his personal Wizard of Oz for these things.

46 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:11:42pm
47 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:12:26pm

re: #45 Mattand

Bryan Fischer is kind of like the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Cowardly Lion all wrapped up in one. He’s lacking a heart, brains and courage.

Unlike those characters, he’s too dense to ask his personal Wizard of Oz for these things.

Hollow inside after too many flying monkeys emerged from his butt.
//

48 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:12:57pm

Congress came up with the grand method of getting budget cuts and reducing the deficit going forward.

That was in the Budget Control Act of 2011, which Congress negotiated with the Administration and authorized an increase in the debt ceiling in exchange for $2.4 trillion in deficit reduction over the following ten years. This total included $1.2 trillion in spending cuts identified specifically in the legislation, with an additional $1.2 trillion in cuts that were to be determined by the Super Committee.

Congress looked for a way out of having to make the tough decisions - you know telling John Q Public back home that their services/roads/etc. are now worse because all funding was cut 10% across the board, or that jobs might be lost because some federal programs are now 10% lower (other than the GOP reflex to blame Obama). These are programs that they actually benefit from. So they had a panel make recommendations, and Congress had to vote up/down on them or else incur the 10% atb cut. Well, the panel failed to find common ground and the atb cuts will happen unless Congress finds some way to make the deficit reduction happen.

We’ve seen some of this nonsense already with the Sandy aid package. You have GOPers claiming fiscal responsibility in voting against the NFIP funding, even though they’ve sought that same assistance for their own districts or would hope to have the program funded should a flooding incident occur in their district (as they direct people in their districts to visit the NFIP program to seek flood insurance). They want offsetting cuts from elsewhere - never mentioning that elsewhere also can affect their districts.

49 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:13:56pm

“Liberty-Driven” Fortress Community Being Planned In Idaho

A group of self-appointed “patriots” are moving forward with an idea for a planned community of several thousand families of “patriotic Americans” in Idaho, a project named The Citadel, envisioned as a “martial endeavor designed to protect Residents in times of peril (natural or man-made).”

“The Citadel is not profit-driven. The Citadel is Liberty-driven: specifically Thomas Jefferson’s Rightful Liberty,” the group organizing the project says on its website. “Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

The idea for The Citadel was born in the “Patriot Blogosphere” in early 2012, according to the project’s website. The Idaho Stateman reported on the project last month, but it gained widespread attention in the past week. Organizers hope to purchase land in 2013 for The Citadel, and break ground soon after.

The possibility for this to turn into a completely hilarious tale of paranoia, wingnuttery and fraud is going to be LEGEN-

Wait for it.

50 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:14:32pm

-DARY!

LEGENDARY!

51 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:17:11pm

Wait, so there are going to be at least 2 separate wingnut compounds attempting to be built at the same time?

The blame games where they accuse each other of sabotage await!

52 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:17:13pm

re: #49 Kragar

“Liberty-Driven” Fortress Community Being Planned In Idaho

The possibility for this to turn into a completely hilarious tale of paranoia, wingnuttery and fraud is going to be LEGEN-

Wait for it.

You know it’s a bad idea when even the Freepers think it’s a really bad idea. And likely a scam.

53 BongCrodny  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:17:15pm

re: #46 Four More Tears

Glenn Beck Planning To Construct $2 Billion Libertarian Community In Texas

My favorite comment from that article:

The community will generate electricity and fertilize its crops with 100% locally produced batshit.

54 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:18:55pm

re: #50 Kragar

-DARYERPY!

LEGENDARYDERPY!

FTFY

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:19:49pm

re: #53 BongCrodny

My favorite comment from that article:

The community will generate electricity and fertilize its crops with 100% locally produced batshit.

No way, Sounds too much like alternative energy sources. Only 100% American-drilled/fracked hydrocarbons will do.

56 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:20:03pm

re: #49 Kragar

“Liberty-Driven” Fortress Community Being Planned In Idaho

The possibility for this to turn into a completely hilarious tale of paranoia, wingnuttery and fraud is going to be LEGEN-

Wait for it.

Looking forward to reading whatever draconian laws they come up with for their little community…

57 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:20:26pm

re: #53 BongCrodny

My favorite comment from that article:

But if you grow stuff in batshit insane guano as fertilizer you end up with something like Wackyland.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

58 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:21:33pm

re: #56 darthstar

Looking forward to reading whatever draconian laws they come up with for their little community…

It’ll probably have more in common with a middle-eastern Islamic dictatorship than any western-like democracy. Book it.

59 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:23:06pm

re: #56 darthstar

Looking forward to reading whatever draconian laws they come up with for their little community…

“Church services begin promptly at 9am. Citizens who fail to appear with their firearms will be shot.”

60 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:24:20pm
61 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:24:56pm

re: #60 lawhawk

Who wants to bet this guy is an Oathkeeper?

62 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:25:35pm

In a building filled with millions of dollars worth of IT equipment, nothing is as cringe worthy as hearing a room shaking crash followed by “FUCK!”

63 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:25:44pm

re: #28 Kragar

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the city

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

Wonder if they remember/know that was an initial Black Panther method?

64 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:25:55pm
65 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:26:47pm
66 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:27:13pm

How the hell does a “libertarian community” work? Do they think they’re still not subject to local laws and infrastructure needs? Sounds to me like typical life in the suburbs except with more guns and less raw talent.

67 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:27:46pm

re: #64 Lidane

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what the I don’t even…

What do these people think those walls are going to protect them from?

68 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:27:48pm

re: #64 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Order to be maintained by specially trained and equipped “Judges.”

69 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:28:05pm

re: #67 Four More Tears

what the I don’t even…

What do these people think those walls are going to protect them from?

Melanin.

70 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:28:52pm

re: #64 Lidane

Lovely…until there’s a fire and nobody can get out.

Image: citadel-idaho-plan.jpg

71 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:28:53pm

re: #63 Eventual Carrion

Wonder if they remember/know that was an initial Black Panther method?

Change the ethnicity of the individuals in this same story and watch the same conservatives touting this turn toward panic.

72 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:05pm

re: #67 Four More Tears

What do these people think those walls are going to protect them from?

Chemtrails. Agenda 21. ACORN. FEMA. That Kenyan Socialist POTUS. The gubmint takin’ their gunz.

You know, the usual.

73 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:13pm

re: #60 lawhawk

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Fine, stop paying him because he doesn’t want to do his job.

74 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:20pm

re: #62 Kragar

In a building filled with millions of dollars worth of IT equipment, nothing is as cringe worthy as hearing a room shaking crash followed by “FUCK!”

Which is always followed by everyone outside of the room looking at each other thinking “I ain’t going in there first.” (happens in our lab a good deal)

75 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:24pm

re: #70 darthstar

Lovely…until there’s a fire and nobody can get out.

Image: citadel-idaho-plan.jpg

Obviously, they sucked at sim city.

76 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:29pm
77 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:29:47pm

Arguing on PJ gives me the idea that they may use this as a last ditch attempt to end The Affordable Care Act.

“End Obamacare” may end up being the demand.

78 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:30:17pm

re: #68 Kragar

Order to be maintained by specially trained and equipped “Judges.”

Speaking of, I just watched Dredd last night.

Not the greatest film I’ve ever seen, but a damn sight better than the abomination that was Judge Dredd.

79 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:03pm

In their mind it’s of utmost importance to end ObamaCare before the poor get a taste of having health care

80 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:22pm

Looks like NYS is going to get its vote on a comprehensive gun control bill tonight. And I’m expecting passage with Gov. Cuomo signing it before the end of the week (3 day waiting period is required by state Constitution unless message of necessity).

81 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:25pm

ARMS Factory?

So they’re going to have rules and regulations about what kind of weapons they produce and equip themselves with?

WHAT KIND OF FASCIST CRAP ARE THEY TRYING TO PULL?

82 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:38pm

re: #77 stabby

Not. Gonna. Happen.

83 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:40pm

re: #76 lawhawk

I like the “interior defensive walls and towers” just in case some friction develops between neighborhoods.

84 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:31:45pm

re: #64 Lidane

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My favorite quote: “Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

Yes, people who enjoy indoor plumbing and dependable electricity.

85 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:32:08pm

And, frankly, I don’t know what to say to the demand “end Obamacare”

86 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:32:08pm

re: #70 darthstar

Lovely…until there’s a fire and nobody can get out.

Image: citadel-idaho-plan.jpg

It’s almost cute, like having little children who like to build forts and shit.

Except these people are in their fucking Forties.

87 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:32:35pm

re: #84 SidewaysQuark

Pavement is socialism.

88 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:32:43pm

re: #83 jaunte

I like the “interior defensive walls and towers” just in case some friction develops between neighborhoods.

This project is a Stephen King novel waiting to happen.

89 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:07pm

re: #78 Lidane

Speaking of, I just watched Dredd last night.

Not the greatest film I’ve ever seen, but a damn sight better than the abomination that was Judge Dredd.

Dredd is hard to get across in a film format, but they still did a pretty good job, especially considering how bad the first film was.

I like the fact the Judges actually worried about things like ammo and fought tactically, not your usual Hollywood spray and pray heroes.

90 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:33pm

re: #84 SidewaysQuark

Yes, people who enjoy indoor plumbing and dependable electricity.

And emergency services, including fire departments and hospitals.

91 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:43pm

re: #78 Lidane

Speaking of, I just watched Dredd last night.

Not the greatest film I’ve ever seen, but a damn sight better than the abomination that was Judge Dredd.

I watched that the other day. Lots of shooting. The lead actor never shows his face in that movie.

92 Destro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:48pm

re: #22 Ghost of Tom Joad

I really don’t think he’s ever going to have that moment like Michael Douglas in “The American President” whereas he just lays it out to the people. He’s a little better during this presser, but everything is still done in a..’proper’ manner, so to speak. It would be nice, if at least once during his Presidency, he went President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho (Idiocracy) and just verbally abused the GOP.

Bump up for the “Idiocracy” reference.

93 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:51pm

re: #81 Kragar

ARMS Factory?

So they’re going to have rules and regulations about what kind of weapons they produce and equip themselves with?

WHAT KIND OF FASCIST CRAP ARE THEY TRYING TO PULL?

My bet is that it’s an end around attempt on Federal control by claiming the weapons are intrastate commerce by being produced and only used *in* state and thus not being subject to Federal restrictions.

I think some legislator in Wyoming is trying the same. Must be in the RWNJ playbook somewhere then.

94 Jimmi the Grey  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:33:56pm

re: #28 Kragar

Portland residents panic as men armed with assault weapons ‘educate’ the tamest, most crime free and upscale, safe parts of city

Because the real way to save lives is to teach civilians not to take cover when people show up with assault weapons.

Would have been different had they walked through Felony Flats or parts of North Portland…not to mention south along 82nd ave. Frellin chicenshit posers…

95 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:34:03pm

re: #70 darthstar

Lovely…until there’s a fire and nobody can get out.

Image: citadel-idaho-plan.jpg

No. Nuh-uh. Firearms museum as the central point in town?

I refuse to believe this is not a joke. I will reject all evidence to the contrary.

96 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:34:03pm

re: #83 jaunte

I like the “interior defensive walls and towers” just in case some friction develops between neighborhoods.

BLOCK WAR!!!

97 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:35:19pm

re: #88 Four More Tears

This project is a Stephen King novel waiting to happen.

“The Citadel” The story of one young woman’s escape from a fortress-town of crazy people.

98 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:35:32pm

re: #93 Feline Fearless Leader

My bet is that it’s an end around attempt on Federal control by claiming the weapons are intrastate commerce by being produced and only used *in* state and thus not being subject to Federal restrictions.

I think some legislator in Wyoming is trying the same. Must be in the RWNJ playbook somewhere then.

Slap some tariffs and import restrictions on them. “Produce any kind of weapon you have the resources to produce.”

Then bust them for smuggling.

99 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:36:51pm

re: #91 darthstar

I watched that the other day. Lots of shooting. The lead actor never shows his face in that movie.

He’s not supposed to show his face. Dredd is always drawn wearing his helmet. Points for accuracy in that respect.

If you’re curious, the lead actor in the film was Karl Urban.

100 SidewaysQuark  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:39:41pm

re: #75 darthstar

Obviously, they sucked at sim city.

Obviously, TRVE freedom means imprisoning yourself behind unscalable walls.

101 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:39:45pm

re: #78 Lidane

Speaking of, I just watched Dredd last night.

Not the greatest film I’ve ever seen, but a damn sight better than the abomination that was Judge Dredd.

I agree. I thought Karl Urban was good as Dredd. Not a bad film at all.

102 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:40:33pm

re: #99 Lidane

He’s not supposed to show his face. Dredd is always drawn wearing his helmet. Points for accuracy in that respect.

If you’re curious, the lead actor in the film was Karl Urban.

They actually modified a storyline from one of the early 70s era Dredd storys for the movie. In the original, it was Judge Giant who was under assessment as a probationary Judge. Anderson was already a serving Psy-Judge when she was introduced in the comic.

103 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:40:54pm

re: #101 Dr Lizardo

I agree. I thought Karl Urban was good as Dredd. Not a bad film at all.

Would have been better with a hit of Slo-Mo.

104 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:41:56pm

re: #68 Kragar

Order to be maintained by specially trained and equipped “Judges.”

I AM THE LAW!!

105 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:43:10pm

“I was wondering when you would realize you forgot your helmet.”
“Sir, helmets interfere with my psychic abilities.”
“Think a bullet in the head might interfere with them more.”

106 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:43:29pm

re: #104 dragonfire1981

I AM THE LAW!!

That comes with an image of Clarence Thomas flinging Coke cans.
/

107 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44:23pm

re: #103 darthstar

Would have been better with a hit of Slo-Mo.

Heh. Apparently, there’s a sequel in the works, involving Judge Death. That should be interesting.

108 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44:36pm

re: #104 dragonfire1981

I AM THE LAW!!

109 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:44:56pm

re: #102 Kragar

They actually modified a storyline from one of the early 70s era Dredd storys for the movie. In the original, it was Judge Giant who was under assessment as a probationary Judge. Anderson was already a serving Psy-Judge when she was introduced in the comic.

Yeah, but I think they realized they’d need a female counterpart to Dredd otherwise it would have been a total sausage fest. Plus, her being sympathetic to people was another counter. If everyone wearing a Judge uniform was like Dredd, it would have been boring and mechanical.

110 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:45:29pm

re: #107 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Apparently, there’s a sequel in the works, involving Judge Death. That should be interesting.

Nice, about time they brought Judge Death to the big screen.

“The crime is life, the punishment… DEATH!”

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:47:23pm

1) Those who know what is right and true in their hearts do not need laws and regulations to tell them what to do

2) Only those who know what is right and true will be allowed to live in the The Citadel

therefore,

3) They will need no laws, only the occasional bouncer to evict those who fall from the path of righteousness and truth.

See how simple it can be if we reject statist socialism?

112 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:48:08pm

re: #109 Lidane

Yeah, but I think they realized they’d need a female counterpart to Dredd otherwise it would have been a total sausage fest. Plus, her being sympathetic to people was another counter. If everyone wearing a Judge uniform was like Dredd, it would have been boring and mechanical.

I agree, I think they did a good job of bringing it together for the movie and keeping with the original storyline.

And it makes sense if they’re planning a sequel using Judge Death. Judge Anderson was the one who actually brought him down, not Dredd.

113 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:48:10pm
114 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:48:55pm

So how many black people will be in the Citadel?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

115 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:48:58pm

Read somewhere that everyone, or at least all adults, are to carry anytime they’re outside their homes.

116 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:49:50pm

re: #114 dragonfire1981

So how many black people will be in the Citadel?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I think Allen West will be the token black guy there, probably in charge of interrogation since it’s befitting his past ‘accomplishments.’

117 bluecheese  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:51:56pm

re: #66 SidewaysQuark

How the hell does a “libertarian community” work? Do they think they’re still not subject to local laws and infrastructure needs?

I imagine that it would be something like Kowloon walled city.

This has been tried. Read the wiki page

118 Tars Tarkas  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:52:51pm

Here is another exciting Libertopia proposal, this time an island commonwealth near Detroit - [Link: wonkette.com…]
As usual, one of the big planners is a guy who was bailed out by the government.

Dredd is my second favorite film of 2012, behind Eega, an Indian film where a murdered man plots revenge after being reincarnated as a fly.

119 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:54:25pm

re: #110 Kragar

I’d go see it, certainly. I finally got around to seeing Watchmen the other night (Director’s cut). I liked it. I have to admit, Zack Snyder did what many said was impossible - bringing Watchmen to the screen.

120 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 1:58:48pm

Hopefully, they’ll have Judge Che from Dredd’s time up at Luna City make an appearance in the next movie.

And they definitely need to have Walter.

/

121 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:13:42pm

And your asinine example of the day award goes to …

Rep. Lou Barletta (R-PA) explained his opposition to any new gun safety measures:

BARLETTA: I support the 2nd Amendment rights. Sam, to make the argument that the gun is the problem would then lead you to believe that if we banned matches and lighters, that we would stop arson. That’s not the problem. The problem is much deeper. It’s a problem with society.

The problem is with society. We have an entire segment of it who believe unless they have a drumfed semiautomatic rifle within arms reach, Hitler is going to kick in their door and make their kids attend *GASP* a public school.

That is a real problem.

122 jamesfirecat  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:57:44pm

re: #104 dragonfire1981

I AM THE LAW!!

Twenty years!


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