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Anti-Gay Hate Group Leader Loves His Guns, Threatens Civil War

Religious right homophobe also a gun nut
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Matt Barber of the anti-gay Liberty Counsel may hate gay people with every fiber of his being, but he does love him some guns, and if’n you try to take his away, Civil War’s a-Brewin’.

I love guns. Grew up with ‘em. As a former police officer with 12 years in the U.S. military, I know how to use them, too - use them well. I plan to buy more - a bunch more. In fact, who’s to say I don’t already have a veritable arsenal?

Point is, tain’t Big Brother Barack’s nor any other candy-keistered-liberal-cream-puff’s bloody business whether I do or not.

See, the left’s totalitarian brand of “gun control” has nothing to do with controlling guns - or bad guys. Rather, it has everything to do with controlling - disarming - the law-abiding masses. It’s not about protecting the innocents. It’s about rendering the innocents defenseless.

[rant…rant…rant…]

No, you won’t disarm me. You’re not going to neuter my household and tear away my ability to defend my wife and precious babies like Dad did all those years ago.

I really, really hope this president and his authoritarian cohorts in Congress will slow down, take a deep breath and realize that, right now, they’re playing a very dangerous game of chicken. If they try what I think they might, but hope they don’t, I fear this nation - already on the precipice of widespread civil unrest and economic disaster - might finally spiral into to utter chaos, into a second civil war.

But then again, that may be exactly what they have in mind.

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212 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:13:48pm

The amount of this kind of crap being fed to the right wing base is truly disturbing.

2 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:14:17pm

Yeah, I do think it’s time that gun owners prove mental health before getting guns, just like the NRA suggests. It’s pretty easy to see who the first on that list will be. These guys are horny for blood.

3 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:15:05pm

Its not the wingnuts calling for bloody armed revolution who are the problem, its the ping pong balls and video games.

4 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:15:53pm

There is a truly dangerous game of chicken being played in DC right now, but it’s not the one Mr. Barber is thinking of.

5 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:16:26pm

Anyone who claims they own “an arsenal” doesn’t give a rat’s ass about self defense. They’re just waiting for an excuse to commit their own private revenge fantasy.

6 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:16:27pm

I really fear it’s only a matter of time before we have our own Breivik(s)…and they will be worse than the original.

I hope I’m wrong.

7 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:16:28pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The amount of this kind of crap being fed to the right wing base is truly disturbing.

And the moment anyone actually takes them up on all this garbage and opens fire, these same assholes will look for any and every excuse in the book why it wasn’t their fault.

8 thecommodore  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:17:11pm

This one needs a “bad craziness” and “profound stupidity” tag.

9 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:17:57pm

re: #7 Lidane

And the moment anyone actually takes them up on all this garbage and opens fire, these same assholes will look for any and every excuse in the book why it wasn’t their fault.

ITS THOSE VIDEO GAMES AGAIN!
/

10 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:18:51pm

Another loud-lout fat-bastard making threats he doesn’t really think he’ll have to back up. I’ll take him at his word that he was in the military. He would therefore know how he would fare against Bradleys, let alone M-1s. Not everyone in the gun cult is just blowing smoke though, some of them really don’t know any better. Be careful there, Matt, some of the more impressionable members of your cult might act on this incitement and start something you won’t be able to finish.

11 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:19:23pm

If video games were the problem, I would currently be planning my own empire and preparing to take over the galaxy…

OH SHIT, THEY WERE RIGHT!

12 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:19:55pm

I’m still snickering over that Yeager dude who lost his CCW license after his similarly chest-pounding, murder threatening video screed. Didn’t take him long to cry “Mommy! I’m sorry!”

13 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:20:00pm
You’re not going to neuter my household…

I think someone is having penis problems.

14 Obdicut  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:20:35pm

Not a parody? Really?

15 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:21:09pm
…tain’t Big Brother Barack’s nor any other candy-keistered-liberal-cream-puff’s bloody business whether I do or not.

Feedbag Matt’s pretty free with the insults.

16 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:21:21pm

re: #3 Kragar

Its not the wingnuts calling for bloody armed revolution who are the problem, its the ping pong balls and video games.

Right, which is why the NRA felt it was appropriate to release a shooting game on the 1-month anniversary of the Newtown shootings:

17 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:21:47pm

re: #14 Obdicut

Not a parody? Really?

It would be so funny if The Onion put his real rant and his crazy pic in their next issue as an editorial.

18 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:22:19pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Buy farm land away from the cities and build up an arsenal in your own home to prepare for the revolution, because our current military doesn’t routinely just use a drone to take out targets in secluded locations all the time at all.

The derpiness of these dumbasses knows no bounds,

19 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:22:26pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Another loud-lout fat-bastard making threats he doesn’t really think he’ll have to back up. I’ll take him at his word that he was in the military. He would therefore know how he would fare against Bradleys, let alone M-1s. Not everyone in the gun cult is just blowing smoke though, some of them really don’t know any better. Be careful there, Matt, some of the more impressionable members of your cult might act on this incitement and start something you won’t be able to finish.

The dangerous ones aren’t usually the one making the videos, alas. It would be good if this got this piece of bovine excrement in trouble but he bothers me less than the quiet little McVay wanna-be’s I run into all too often.

20 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:22:53pm
Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating in constitutional law. He is Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action and serves as Associate Dean and Adjunct Assistant Professor of Law at Liberty University School of law

Poor students.

21 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:23:21pm
See, the left’s totalitarian brand of “gun control” has nothing to do with controlling guns - or bad guys. Rather, it has everything to do with controlling - disarming - the law-abiding masses. It’s not about protecting the innocents. It’s about rendering the innocents defenseless.

In all of this “defending us from tyranny” rhetoric I have yet to hear a single argument extended into how exactly Matt Barber and friends would win a fight with their local SWAT team, much less the US military.

22 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:23:39pm

Guys like this make me want to buy a gun for self-defense. Then part of me feels like that, in and of itself, would be a victory for this lunatic.

Did a quick Google check on this guy. Crazy, heavily armed, Christian. Someone in the comments implied he may have been involved with a RICO Act and child abduction.

I wonder what party this guy votes for? Hmmmm..

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:23:52pm

re: #18 Kragar

Buy farm land away from the cities and build up an arsenal in your own home to prepare for the revolution, because our current military doesn’t routinely just use a drone to take out targets in secluded locations all the time at all.

The derpiness of these dumbasses knows no bounds,

Nah, the army won’t bother. The State Troopers with some ATF assistance can take care of these nuts.

24 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:24:25pm

re: #20 The Mountain That Blogs

Poor students.

Liberty University is as much a real school as professional wrestling is a real competitive sport.

25 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:24:54pm

re: #20 The Mountain That Blogs

Poor students.

Especially since they’re going to Liberty University.

26 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:25:41pm

re: #23 William Barnett-Lewis

Nah, the army won’t bother. The State Troopers with some ATF assistance can take care of these nuts.

I know that, and you know that, but these assholes routinely talk like they expect martial law to be enacted any day now and Obama to send in the stormtroopers to round them up.

27 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:26:44pm

Dude sounds like he’s got some issues.

28 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:26:47pm

re: #20 The Mountain That Blogs

Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating in constitutional law. He is Vice President of Liberty Counsel Action and serves as Associate Dean and Adjunct Assistant Professor of Law at Liberty University School of law

Poor students.

No wonder W stocked up on these loons for his administration.

29 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:26:57pm

re: #25 Lidane

Idiot students.
How can some even exist who is stupid enough to think that Glen Beck could run a University.

That’s as crazy as… as crazy as… I can’t think of anything crazier than Glen Beck running a university.

In fact I had just said that now on PJ, before this thread appeared.

30 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:27:14pm

re: #24 Kragar

Liberty University is as much a real school as professional wrestling is a real competitive sport.

Indeed. That said, their law school is ABA accredited. With this guy as a professor.

31 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:27:56pm

re: #21 jaunte

In all of this “defending us from tyranny” rhetoric I have yet to hear a single argument extended into how exactly Matt Barber and friends would win a fight with their local SWAT team, much less the US military.

Because when exposed to the righteousness of their arguments, the SWAT team and/or soldiers will turn around and join the forces to tear down the tyrant.

And if they don’t, they’re pawns of the oppressor and must be sacrificed to the tree of liberty or some other euphemism for killing cops.

32 bratwurst  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:28:44pm

I saw this in a tweet earlier, but decided not to post it because I could not find confirmation elsewhere. Now that a news organization (albeit a horrible one) has picked it up…here is a REALLY OBNOXIOUSLY BAD IDEA:

Netanyahu to address CPAC

33 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:28:51pm

re: #21 jaunte

Because Wolverines! /

34 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:29:32pm

re: #32 bratwurst

Does he know Mittens Romney lost?

35 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:29:38pm

I see the proposed Idaho fortress has “interior” guard towers or, as tank crews might call them, popped-up targets.

36 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:29:59pm

re: #33 Bulworth

Because Wolverines! /

No no no. You need to do it properly.

WULBERRHEEEEEENZ!!!!

37 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:30:20pm
Matt Barber is an attorney concentrating in constitutional law.

Oh dear.

38 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:30:35pm

re: #30 The Mountain That Blogs

I can’t imagine anyone smarter than a James O’keefe or Ben Shapiro hiring a graduate of Liberty University.

39 freetoken  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:30:43pm

re: #32 bratwurst

They claim Harper is going to be there too.

Can this be true?

40 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:30:48pm

Again, the disturbing meme is that they’re arming because war with their elected government is inevitable. It might not be this president but it’s still inevitable.

Every single time the discussion comes up, this point gets raised. Self-defense does as well, but if you ask about stunguns as an alternative they get dismissed because you can’t fight your government with a taser.

41 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:30:51pm

VERITABLE ARSENAL!!!

42 freetoken  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:31:27pm

re: #41 jaunte

VERITABLE ARSENAL!!!

…like… actually.

43 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:31:41pm

MORE GUNS THAN I CAN CARRY, CUZ MAGIC!!!

44 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:31:51pm

re: #37 Bulworth

Oh dear.

From the same people who will tell you straight faced that the Constitution quotes the Bible repeatedly.

45 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:32:21pm

Mrs. Barber and her children are in more danger from Mr. Barber and his guns than any hypothetical intruder, statistics do not lie.

46 KingKenrod  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:33:02pm

Everything about this guy screams fraud.

47 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:33:20pm

People like this are why I don’t sell my AK, or any other guns. My conscience just can’t risk some nut-case ending up with one of them.

48 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:33:25pm

re: #43 jaunte

MORE GUNS THAN I CAN CARRY, CUZ MAGIC!!!

Hello ladies…

Image: savini7.jpg

49 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:34:05pm

re: #46 KingKenrod

Everything about this guy screams fraud.

That same thing can be said about Rush or Glenn, but look at them.

50 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:34:06pm

re: #32 bratwurst

I saw this in a tweet earlier, but decided not to post it because I could not find confirmation elsewhere. Now that a news organization (albeit a horrible one) has picked it up…here is a REALLY OBNOXIOUSLY BAD IDEA:

Netanyahu to address CPAC

51 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:34:22pm

re: #41 jaunte

VERITABLE ARSENAL!!!

How many arsenals can one shoot at a time?

52 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:34:58pm

dawns on me… I’m going to start calling all these people by a more accurate label: fifth columnists.

53 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:35:05pm

You know who else had a veritable arsenal?

54 bratwurst  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:36:15pm

re: #39 freetoken

They claim Harper is going to be there too.

Can this be true?

Commentary makes it sound like this was merely an invitation to Netanyahu, one that he is unlikely to accept. They also point out that he already spoke to CPAC back in 2001, but as a private Israeli citizen at that time.

How do you suppose Obama speaking to opposition parties in Israel would go down?

55 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:36:25pm

*sigh*

56 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:36:38pm

re: #53 Kragar

You know who else had a veritable arsenal?

Judge Dredd?

57 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:36:40pm

re: #53 Kragar

You know who else had a veritable arsenal?

Wile E. Coyote, but I suspect that’s not the answer you’re looking for.

58 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:37:03pm

re: #53 Kragar

You know who else had a veritable arsenal?

Pam Grier.

59 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:37:58pm

re: #56 Lidane

Judge Dredd?

Nope, just a Lawgiver and stun stick while on patrol.

60 skylarkingtomfoolery  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:39:06pm
See, the left’s totalitarian brand of “gun control” has nothing to do with controlling guns - or bad guys. Rather, it has everything to do with controlling - disarming - the law-abiding masses. It’s not about protecting the innocents. It’s about rendering the innocents defenseless.

Oh crap! He’s on to us! Quick—does anyone have a Plan B that renders innocents defenseless that does not involve gun control? Our cover is blown! We definitely need a Plan B here. Anyone? Anyone?

/snark

61 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:39:11pm

re: #32 bratwurst

I saw this in a tweet earlier, but decided not to post it because I could not find confirmation elsewhere. Now that a news organization (albeit a horrible one) has picked it up…here is a REALLY OBNOXIOUSLY BAD IDEA:

Netanyahu to address CPAC

I’m not surprised. Netanyahu has made a determined effort to cultivate ties with the US far right.

62 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:39:48pm

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

63 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:42:29pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

The constitution is there to be waved in the air and to be thumped. Actually reading it is pointless. Thought leaders (e.g., NRA) will provide guidance as needed.

Fundamentalism 101.

64 allegro  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:04pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

I see a dude jumping around screaming “Look at mah ballz! I gotz ballz!”

65 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:11pm

re: #63 EPR-radar

The constitution is there to be waved in the air and to be thumped. Actually reading it is pointless. Thought leaders (e.g., NRA) will provide guidance as needed.

Sounds kinda like the Bible.

66 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:21pm

We’re going to have another Waco, possibly an Oklahoma City too. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but I think it is inevitable now.

67 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:23pm
68 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:49pm

AFA manager Buster Wilson: “”[T]he progressive left just doesn’t care!”

What I get, as this article’s title mentions, is two-fold: first, the progressive left just doesn’t care! They absolutely do not care about the facts, they don’t care about the truth, and they certainly do NOT care about what God or the Bible has to say about this!

If you say, “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God….and that the wages of sin is death….”) Rom. 3:23; 6:23., they will turn around and say, “SEE! You want all gays to die! So, are you going to kill us or do you want us to kill ourselves?” I know, unbelievably ridiculous!

They don’t care. Simple as that. I’ve known this, it’s not a new revelation. But I kept on hoping that if we could just talk….I mean, talk without screaming at one another, talk without calling one another names and such, that maybe, just maybe we could reach some kind of understanding.

I have. Reached an understanding, that is. I get it. They want acceptance, but they want more than acceptance. They want dominance. They want special privileges. They want special protections. They see themselves as being in a new civil rights struggle.

69 Bulworth  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:43:52pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Yeah I think the militia was called out against Daniel Shays. But who are we to question a great constitutional expert like the gun-crazy guy scholar. /

70 freetoken  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:44:12pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Are we sure about the Moonies Times report? I still find it difficult that Harper would show up, even if his own tendencies push him towards the American political right-wing.

71 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:44:18pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes

And that right there is your problem

72 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:45:47pm
73 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:46:25pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

It also calls for a well regulated militia, managed by the states, so technically, the only guns you should legally be allowed to purchase are those approved for use by your state militia offices.

74 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:47:51pm

re: #70 freetoken

Are we sure about the Moonies Times report? I still find it difficult that Harper would show up, even if his own tendencies push him towards the American political right-wing.

Yeah, I see that Commentary is calling it an invitation, and so is Human Events. Still, wouldn’t surprise me to see him speak at CPAC.

There’s going to be all manner of freaky right wing acting out this year, I have no doubt.

75 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:48:05pm

re: #73 Kragar

It also calls for a well regulated militia, managed by the states, so technically, the only guns you should legally be allowed to purchase are those approved for use by your state militia offices.

The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed! It says so in the Second Amendment! Anything else is TYRANNY!

76 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:48:41pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

We’re going to have another Waco, possibly an Oklahoma City too. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but I think it is inevitable now.

I hate to say it, but I’m in full agreement on that. The odds are damned near at 100%.

77 A Mom Anon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:48:49pm

re: #73 Kragar

It’s just the weirdest freaking thing that they cling(bitterly,heh)to the exact opposite notion of what the 2nd Amendment was actually intended to do.

Maybe taking a fucking American History test and getting an A should be part of getting a gun. Jesus.

78 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:48:54pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

They cannot spell “well regulated”; as in “National Guard”.

79 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:49:31pm

re: #62 A Mom Anon

OK,so isn’t the actual purpose of the 2nd Amendment to provide for a militia to put down insurrection AGAINST the government? Because that was what I was taught in history and government classes. It’s not at all to fight the tyranny they keep railing against. I can’t figure out to this minute what the fuck they’re talking about because they obviously have not read a single damned document they hold sacred.

In fairness, one of the original reasons was to be armed against a tyrannical government. While there are a lot of sources, the frequently mentioned Federalist Paper #46 by Publius (aka Madison) is fairly clear. Unfortunately for the people using it, they haven’t read the full argument.

See, #46 says that the arguments against the constitution by the anti-federalists are silly, because the individual states will always have power to oppose the federal government. Obviously, he says, no intelligent public will be so foolish as to let the federal government establish a large standing army, and for this reason the respective states can form much larger militias from their armed populaces and oppose the federal government.

Yeah, really.

The armed people, by the way, are to rally with their neighbors to oppose State tyranny, their STATE government to oppose federal tyranny, and their FEDERAL government to oppose external tyranny.

That ship sailed back in the late 1860s.

80 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:50:28pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

We’re going to have another Waco, possibly an Oklahoma City too. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but I think it is inevitable now.

Not to mention a dozen or so Ruby Ridge level incidents. Hopefully the FBI will handle them better this time.

81 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:50:39pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I see that Commentary is calling it an invitation, and so is Human Events. Still, wouldn’t surprise me to see him speak at CPAC.

There’s going to be all manner of freaky right wing acting out this year, I have no doubt.

Obama’s second term was always the most likely time for reaching perk derp (aka the wingularity).

So far, everything is consistent with this.

82 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:50:57pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

We’re going to have another Waco, possibly an Oklahoma City too. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but I think it is inevitable now.

Just wait until they build their armed hippie commune Libertarian utopia. That’s when the shots will start flying.

83 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:51:23pm

re: #77 A Mom Anon

It’s just the weirdest freaking thing that they cling(bitterly,heh)to the exact opposite notion of what the 2nd Amendment was actually intended to do.

Maybe taking a fucking American History test and getting an A should be part of getting a gun. Jesus.

The guy who works at our corner store is working to get his citizenship. I was passing the time watching some idiots on a quiz show completely botch question on US history and government that he was nailing every time.

“I’ve been here 5 years. They were born here. What is their excuse?”

84 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:51:32pm

THIS IS SO TOTALLY PHOTOSHOPPED (But Birfers think they have discovered America or something)

85 Randall Gross  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:51:59pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I see that Commentary is calling it an invitation, and so is Human Events. Still, wouldn’t surprise me to see him speak at CPAC.

There’s going to be all manner of freaky right wing acting out this year, I have no doubt.

Now threatening impeachment again:
[Link: www.politico.com…]

86 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:52:12pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo

I hate to say it, but I’m in full agreement on that. The odds are damned near at 100%.

The question, will it be the Texas or Idaho compound?

87 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:52:51pm

re: #83 Kragar

The guy who works at our corner store is working to get his citizenship. I was passing the time watching some idiots on a quiz show completely botch question on US history and government that he was nailing every time.

“I’ve been here 5 years. They were born here. What is there excuse?”

Being born here means no effort is required for citizenship. Something that wingnuts et al. should be reminded of, frequently.

88 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:53:50pm

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SO TOTALLY PHOTOSHOPPED (But Birfers think they have discovered America or something)

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Where’s the long form student ID card?

89 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:54:02pm

re: #86 Kragar

The question, will it be the Texas or Idaho compound?

Idaho.

Our armed lunatics are busy trying to secede from Texas. Glenn Beck’s group of special snowflakes have dreams of an American Revolution.

90 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:54:13pm

re: #79 kirkspencer

In fairness, one of the original reasons was to be armed against a tyrannical government. While there are a lot of sources, the frequently mentioned Federalist Paper #46 by Publius (aka Madison) is fairly clear. Unfortunately for the people using it, they haven’t read the full argument.

See, #46 says that the arguments against the constitution by the anti-federalists are silly, because the individual states will always have power to oppose the federal government. Obviously, he says, no intelligent public will be so foolish as to let the federal government establish a large standing army, and for this reason the respective states can form much larger militias from their armed populaces and oppose the federal government.

Yeah, really.

The armed people, by the way, are to rally with their neighbors to oppose State tyranny, their STATE government to oppose federal tyranny, and their FEDERAL government to oppose external tyranny.

That ship sailed back in the late 1860s.

Excellent. The wingnuts don’t realize that that particular option in the Federalist Papers (#46) expired a long, long time ago.

91 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:54:17pm

re: #79 kirkspencer

That ship sailed back in the late 1860s.

Yep, although it really sailed in 1812 when the militia was unable to deal with the Redcoats for the second time. Only the creation of a regular army by Scott, et al out of the tiny cadre we had pre-war kept it at the level of draw rather than disastrous loss.

By 1860, the militia and other volunteer companies were simply good ways to get meat for the grinder.

92 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:54:38pm

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SO TOTALLY PHOTOSHOPPED (But Birfers think they have discovered America or something)

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Snopes is on that.

93 SpaceJesus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:54:56pm

drone> shotgun + siege mentality

94 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:55:09pm

re: #87 EPR-radar

Being born here means no effort is required for citizenship. Something that wingnuts et al. should be reminded of, frequently.

I prefer Heinlein’s vision. Citizenship upon service (not military service, the book’s version, not the movie).

95 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:55:46pm

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

THIS IS SO TOTALLY PHOTOSHOPPED (But Birfers think they have discovered America or something)

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PREPARE THE HEAT MAPS!!!

96 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:56:57pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

drone> shotgun + siege mentality

Which is why the government preventing a private citizen from owning a shoulder fired surface to air missile is nothing short of Hitlerian.
///

97 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:58:38pm

re: #96 Kragar

Which is why the government preventing a private citizen from owning a should fired surface to air missile is nothing short of Hitlerian.
///

You know who else banned private citizens from owning heavy artillery?!

98 erik_t  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:58:39pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

Snopes is on that.

ZOMG, you mean barcode readers weren’t ubiquitous in 1983?!?!1

99 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:58:54pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

Snopes is on that.

For those who don’t want to chase the link: the card with that ID was issued in ‘98 to Thomas Lugert. Columbia didn’t even start using barcode IDs till 1996.

100 Locker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 2:59:49pm

If we don’t get our way we’ll…

- Revolt
- Misdirect
- Kill people
- Fear monger
- Play the victim
- Blame someone
- Move to Canada
- Change the rules
- Impeach someone
- Redistrict something
- Threaten national stability

101 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:00:02pm

re: #99 kirkspencer

For those who don’t want to chase the link: the card with that ID was issued in ‘98 to Thomas Lugert. Columbia didn’t even start using barcode IDs till 1996.

So, Obama killed a man named Thomas Lugert and stole his identity, then traveled back in time to use his ID card?

102 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:00:24pm

re: #96 Kragar

Which is why the government preventing a private citizen from owning a should fired surface to air missile is nothing short of Hitlerian.
///

HELP! HELP! I’M BEING REPRESSED!1!11ty

103 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:00:35pm

re: #91 William Barnett-Lewis

Not so incidentally, AFAIK no modern state has ever fallen to a revolution without significant division/paralysis within the government (i.e., the militia vs. the feds fantasy has zero basis in reality).

This means that the House Republicans are much more dangerous than gun nut looney tunes as in the OP of this thread.

104 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:00:44pm

re: #92 kirkspencer

Snopes is on that.

You know who else fact checked statements?

105 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:01:40pm

re: #101 Kragar

So, Obama killed a man named Thomas Lugert and stole his identity, then traveled back in time to use his ID card?

ZOMG! EXACTLY!!1!

106 recusancy  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:02:26pm

Um so is this is a real thing? Assault Nail Gun

107 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:02:28pm

Sheesh. I posted a thread earlier today about idiot sandy hook truthers at a fairly calm place I hang and don’t you know out come the 9/11 truthers? Finally had to get mods to lock the thread because they wouldn’t shut up. Feh.

108 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:04:17pm

re: #106 recusancy

Um so is this is a real thing? Assault Nail Gun

Fake since where would the nails be stored with a battery in the mag well?

109 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:04:26pm

re: #100 Locker

If we don’t get our way we’ll…

- Revolt
- Misdirect
- Kill people
- Fear monger
- Play the victim
- Blame someone
- Move to Canada
- Change the rules
- Impeach someone
- Redistrict something
- Threaten national stability

Obviously, these are all valuable contributions to public policy debate, courtesy of today’s GOP.///

More seriously, it looks like the totality of all legitimate US policy positions are included within the various factions of the democratic party, and of the smaller center and center-left parties.

Today’s GOP appears to contribute nothing more than toxic waste to public policy discussions.

110 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:05:02pm

Contrary to popular belief, no militia unit has ever successfully fought a military campaign against a conventional military force. They might achieve their goals politically to end a conflict, having the military stand down, or gain enough support to enable them to become a conventional military, but the standard issue “I’ll die with my gun in my hand” militia fighter tends to usually just die with his gun in his hand.

111 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:05:24pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

Its the only logical explanation.

112 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:06:13pm

re: #109 EPR-radar

More seriously, it looks like the totality of all legitimate US policy positions are included within the various factions of the democratic party, and of the smaller center and center-left parties.

Today’s GOP appears to contribute nothing more than toxic waste to public policy discussions.

Pretty much, yeah.

The GOP aren’t a serious political party. They haven’t been one for years, and they finally went completely off the fucking rails in 2008. I don’t know why anyone gives them any credence at all.

113 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:06:51pm

I’d like to secure the border between Arizona and New Mexico.

114 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:07:49pm

I don’t usually pimp my own Pages, but I just read a pretty frightening article over at WaPo’s Wonkblog that, IMO, should be required reading for every American: If We Hit the Debt Ceiling, Can Obama Choose Which Bills to Pay?

As a matter of fact, it caught my eye because of a much down-dinged comment by lostlakehiker in another thread. It shows how wrong he was in saying:

In fact, the constitution requires that these payments be made, no matter what. The president would be duty bound to prioritize those payments. Every other federal expenditure would be on the chopping block.

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:08:16pm

re: #110 Kragar

Contrary to popular belief, no militia unit has ever successfully fought a military campaign against a conventional military force. They might achieve their goals politically to end a conflict, having the military stand down, or gain enough support to enable them to become a conventional military, but the standard issue “I’ll die with my gun in my hand” militia fighter tends to usually just die with his gun in his hand.

Been having that discussion with some folks lately. They don’t like being reminded that in the American Revolution, we only started getting anywhere when three things happened - a real standing army under General Washington began replacing the worthless militias, the French provided arms & powder and then, even more importantly, kept the Royal Navy at bay. One can argue that we own more to Admiral De Grasse for our freedom than to anyone else.

116 Locker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:08:59pm

re: #110 Kragar

Contrary to popular belief, no militia unit has ever successfully fought a military campaign against a conventional military force. They might achieve their goals politically to end a conflict, having the military stand down, or gain enough support to enable them to become a conventional military, but the standard issue “I’ll die with my gun in my hand” militia fighter tends to usually just die with his gun in his hand.

All a rebel militia would accomplish is the removal of most of the rebel militia types from the planet for a few generations. Our National military doesn’t fuck around. Kind of like a forest fire clearing dead wood.

117 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:09:04pm

re: #112 Lidane

Pretty much, yeah.

The GOP aren’t a serious political party. They haven’t been one for years, and they finally went completely off the fucking rails in 2008. I don’t know why anyone gives them any credence at all.

In my opinion, the GOP is still a serious political party in the US because it remains the party of economic aristocracy. If the GOP fat cats decide the freak show is bad for business (or for winning elections), then we should see some changes.

118 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:11:15pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

“Once our border is secure” = meaningless tripe.

You can’t secure the border if you don’t have a coherent immigration policy. How fucking hard is that to understand?

119 Tigger2005  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:11:37pm

I have ceased to think of these people as human beings, frankly.

20 children are blown apart and they don’t skip a beat.

They are inhumans. Unpeople. They have no respect for the dead, not even innocent dead children. No sympathy for their grieving families.

They are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church and deserve the same disgust and contempt.

120 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:11:54pm

re: #116 Locker

All a rebel militia would accomplish is the removal of most of the rebel militia types from the planet for a few generations. Our National military doesn’t fuck around. Kind of like a forest fire clearing dead wood.

sigh, dammit. I’m an aspiring writer trying to get a couple of stories finished enough to actually sell. And now I’ve got this “what the US looks like after the second civil war” idea running through my head.

121 recusancy  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:12:49pm

re: #119 Tigger2005

Don’t dehumanize. Even them.

122 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:14:11pm
123 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:15:14pm

re: #68 Kragar

I have. Reached an understanding, that is. I get it. They want acceptance, but they want more than acceptance. They want dominance. They want special privileges. They want special protections. They see themselves as being in a new civil rights struggle.

Yeah generally, in a democracy, the majority wants dominance.

This IS a democracy, chuck. And last I noticed you don’t get to put a God puppet on your hand and override the vote by saying that God disapproves.

124 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:15:37pm

re: #119 Tigger2005

I have ceased to think of these people as human beings, frankly.

20 children are blown apart and they don’t skip a beat.

They are inhumans. Unpeople. They have no respect for the dead, not even innocent dead children. No sympathy for their grieving families.

They are no better than the Westboro Baptist Church and deserve the same disgust and contempt.

Image: good-let-the-hate-flow-through-you-john-mccain-meme.jpg

125 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:15:50pm

re: #122 Lidane

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He been talking to Bobby Jindal?

126 Locker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:16:05pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

sigh, dammit. I’m an aspiring writer trying to get a couple of stories finished enough to actually sell. And now I’ve got this “what the US looks like after the second civil war” idea running through my head.

I would look exactly as it looks now…. just a few thousand empty spaces where a moron used to stand. Unless you’re making homemade IEDs or have gotten a hold of a LAW rocket then one Bradley Fighting Vehicle could resist and repel anything these gun nut crazies have in their gun closet.

Hard to imagine the fantasy land these people live in.. standing on a pile of millions of dead liberals created by true American Spirit and my AR-15!

127 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:16:45pm

Another one for the derp list:

128 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:17:16pm

re: #118 Lidane

“Once our border is secure” = meaningless tripe.

You can’t secure the border if you don’t have a coherent immigration policy. How fucking hard is that to understand?

Right. She never defines the term. I think she recently said she’d consider the Yuma sector ‘secure’, and then said it’s up to the people who live near the border. If they feel insecure, the border is not secure. Feeellings, Whoa whoa whoa feeeeeeeeelings….

129 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:18:25pm

re: #123 stabby

Yeah generally, in a democracy, the majority wants dominance.

This IS a democracy, chuck. And last I noticed you don’t get to put a God puppet on your hand and override the vote by saying that God disapproves.

“We ask that we be given the same rights as other citizens and be treated with basic human dignity.”
AFA: “YOU THINK YOU’RE BETTER THAN US, YOU DIRTY SINNERS?! STOP OPPRESSING US, FASCISTS!”

130 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:21:05pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

“Once my paranoia subsides, I pledge to work with all people to reform our nation’s immigration system.”

131 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:22:29pm
132 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:22:32pm

This article looks like an Onion parody. I wish it was.

Anybody who thinks their AR-15 is going to be of use in an armed insurrection against the gubmint, I have two words:

Helicopter.
Gunships.

Go look at the Youtube war porn vids of what happens when somebody shoots a rifle at an Apache. Hint: the dents in your pickup from 30mm cannon fire don’t exactly “buff right out.”

133 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:23:57pm

re: #132 Pawn of the Oppressor

This article looks like an Onion parody. I wish it was.

Anybody who thinks their AR-15 is going to be of use in an armed insurrection against the gubmint, I have two words:

Helicopter.
Gunships.

Go look at the Youtube war porn vids of what happens when somebody shoots a rifle at an Apache. Hint: the dents in your pickup from 30mm cannon fire don’t exactly “buff right out.”

One more word: Drones.

These armchair warriors who think that buying up an arsenal of guns is somehow going to put them on the same level of firepower as the gubmint are in for a rude awakening when they open fire.

134 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:25:45pm
135 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:28:02pm
136 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:28:13pm

re: #122 Lidane

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Obviously the poor don’t need to eat as much as the rich need their goods delivered.

137 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:30:49pm

re: #133 Lidane

One more word: Drones.

These armchair warriors who think that buying up an arsenal of guns is somehow going to put them on the same level of firepower as the gubmint are in for a rude awakening when they open fire.

Of course, drones too. Your average militia compound would be snuffed out in the first five minutes of any open warfare against the Evil Forces of Barackistan or whatever these people are imagining.

The average Iraqi insurgent was probably better armed and trained than most of the pudgy white “Patriots” out there, and while it was expensive and difficult for our guys to settle that show down… The Iraqis still lost.

138 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:32:25pm

Rep. Steve Stockman (TX-36) is an idiot.

139 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:33:32pm

re: #122 Lidane

More re-definition of terms.

Back in the day, a “poor tax” was levied on non-poor people to provide support for the poor.

In present-day wingnuttia, a “poor tax” is a tax levied on the poor and used for anything other than supporting the poor.

The Prophet Galt, in the sacred Book of Makers and Takers, has indicated that this is the only kind of tax that can be legitimate. // dripping

140 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:33:52pm

“The White House’s recent announcement they will use executive orders and executive actions to infringe on our constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms is an unconstitutional and unconscionable attack on the very founding principles of this republic,” Stockman said.

“The President’s actions are an existential threat to this nation. The right of the people to keep and bear arms is what has kept this nation free and secure for over 200 years.”

The Constitution’s Second Amendment permitting citizens to keep and bear arms provides the citizenry the “means to defend themselves against tyranny,” Stockman said. “Any proposal to abuse executive power and infringe upon gun rights must be repelled with the stiffest legislative force possible.”
[Link: blog.chron.com…]

141 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:35:31pm

re: #137 Pawn of the Oppressor

Of course, drones too. Your average militia compound would be snuffed out in the first five minutes of any open warfare against the Evil Forces of Barackistan or whatever these people are imagining.

The average Iraqi insurgent was probably better armed and trained than most of the pudgy white “Patriots” out there, and while it was expensive and difficult for our guys to settle that show down… The Iraqis still lost.

The gaggle of F-15/F-18s available to the US government may have a minor impact on the future of that average militia.

Just sayin’

142 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:36:13pm

re: #140 jaunte

What a load of shit.

143 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:36:55pm

re: #139 EPR-radar

More re-definition of terms.

Back in the day, a “poor tax” was levied on non-poor people to provide support for the poor.

In present-day wingnuttia, a “poor tax” is a tax levied on the poor and used for anything other than supporting the poor.

The Prophet Galt, in the sacred Book of Makers and Takers, has indicated that this is the only kind of tax that can be legitimate. // dripping

If the poor are all ‘allowed’ to starve to death then there will be no poor.

144 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:38:25pm

re: #142 Kragar

U.S. Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Friendswood, said in a statement today that he would “thwart” any executive action by Obama “by any means necessary including but not limited to eliminating funding for implementation, defunding the White House and even filing articles of impeachment.”

Completely unmoored from reality.

145 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:39:39pm

re: #142 Kragar

What a load of shit.

The Load of Shit Association protests this comment and would like at this time to disassociate itself from Rep. Steve Stockman’s comments. Loads of shit everywhere should follow in kind.

146 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:40:48pm

re: #144 jaunte

Completely unmoored from reality.

That’s a feature, not a bug. Wingnut talking points and reality mix about as well as water and sodium metal.

147 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:40:54pm

re: #144 jaunte

Completely unmoored from reality.

How does this intellectual giant propose to defund the White House?

Forget impeachement. That will never get past the Dems in the Senate. I want to know what his great plan is to starve the Executive branch.

148 Four More Tears  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:41:33pm

re: #144 jaunte

Completely unmoored from reality.

That man can’t even see the shoreline of reality.

149 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:41:37pm

re: #143 b_sharp

If the poor are all ‘allowed’ to starve to death then there will be no poor.

We need the poor. Thus the requirements that they reproduce before starving.

150 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:43:16pm

re: #141 b_sharp

The gaggle of F-15/F-18s available to the US government may have a minor impact on the future of that average militia.

Just sayin’

Wolverines!

Yeah, it’s really working out well in Syria.

151 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:43:56pm

The Glenn Beck community is getting even better.

Glenn Beck hopes to build utopian city-theme park hybrid

The city, to be called “Independence,” draws heavily from ideas espoused by Walt Disney and libertarian novelist Ayn Rand. The project is expected to cost more than $2 billion.

Beck explained on Blaze TV that the city would contain a marketplace, media center, farm, and residential areas. A religious center with architecture modeled on The Alamo would dominate the center of the city while the front gate to the city would be modeled on Ellis Island.

Beck also said various forms of education would be made available at the city, from apprenticeships to theme-park style exhibits to neighbor-driven schooling. He encouraged parents to send their children to the city to “deprogram” them before they attended college. Politicians could also visit the city to learn “the truth.”

152 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:44:23pm

Defund the White House!

153 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:44:37pm

re: #147 Lidane

How does this intellectual giant propose to defund the White House?

Forget impeachement. That will never get past the Dems in the Senate. I want to know what his great plan is to starve the Executive branch.

Technically, the house could pass a vote to impeach (simple majority). However, the GOP would never convict in the senate (needs 2/3rds).

I’d like to see Obama piss off the house GOP so much (in some reasonable way) that they send impeachment articles to the Senate to make fools of themselves.

154 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:44:50pm

I can’t believe this jackass is in Congress.

155 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:45:45pm

re: #150 Gus

Wolverines!

Yeah, it’s really working out well in Syria.

The Syrian gov’t aren’t going all out from what I can see. The initial days of the Iraq war showed what a determined gov’t can throw at an enemy.

156 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:45:57pm

re: #149 Decatur Deb

We need the poor. Thus the requirements that they reproduce before starving.

Another valuable policy is downward pressure on middle-class wages. Replenishes the ranks of the poor, and makes the rest of the middle class scared.

//

157 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:46:02pm
A Houston Chronicle article reminds that “Stockman’s two years in Congress were marked by weirdness, such as an article in Guns & Ammo magazine that appeared under his byline in which he suggested the then-new Clinton administration raided the Branch Davidian compound in Waco on April 19, 1993, to justify a ban on assault weapons. Stockman said, in reports from the Associated Press in May 1995, that he stood by his article, which was published after the bombing on April 19, 1995 of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. A couple of weeks after he defended the article, he told the Associated Press that he regretted writing it, mostly for its timing.

He’s on the Science Committee, too.

159 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:47:00pm

The fearful Fox News drones only heard one part o the POTUS’s speech today. The one in which he said he would do what he could legally do with executive order to reduce school shootings. And what they heard was “Obama will use executive order to take away our guns”

160 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:49:06pm

re: #156 EPR-radar

Another valuable policy is downward pressure on middle-class wages. Replenishes the ranks of the poor, and makes the rest of the middle class scared.

//

It’s much easier to move the middle-class down than up.

161 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:49:14pm

Government, how do it work.

162 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:49:56pm

I demand that this president be impeached for something he has yet to do!

163 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:50:20pm

re: #161 jaunte

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Government, how do it work.

Bullies! Drink!

164 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:50:29pm

re: #162 Gus

I demand that this president be impeached for something he has yet to do!

He’s always been black. I don’t understand your point.

165 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:50:51pm

re: #162 Gus

I demand that this president be impeached for something he has yet to do!

Doesn’t that fall under some latin legal term?

ex post facto ???

166 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:52:40pm

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

Doesn’t that fall under some latin legal term?

ex post facto ???

Maybe pre post facto. /

167 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:54:03pm

Some of Stockman’s earlier “work”:

A Houston Chronicle article reminds that “Stockman’s two years in Congress were marked by weirdness, such as an article in Guns & Ammo magazine that appeared under his byline in which he suggested the then-new Clinton administration raided the Branch Davidian compound in Waco on April 19, 1993, to justify a ban on assault weapons. Stockman said, in reports from the Associated Press in May 1995, that he stood by his article, which was published after the bombing on April 19, 1995 of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City. A couple of weeks after he defended the article, he told the Associated Press that he regretted writing it, mostly for its timing.

Kind of funny that they used the word “weirdness.”

168 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:54:17pm

re: #101 Kragar

So, Obama killed a man named Thomas Lugert and stole his identity, then traveled back in time to use his ID card?

169 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:55:09pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

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3, 2, 1… SNOPES IS OWNED BY SOROS YOU LIBRUL!!

170 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:55:57pm

re: #154 jaunte

I can’t believe this jackass is in Congress.

I say that about every Republican in Congress.

WTF GOP? This is the best you can do?

171 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:56:59pm

re: #167 Gus

Stockman was endorsed by the following:
U.S. Congressman Ron Paul of Texas
U.S. Congressman Dana Rohrabacher of California
U.S. Congressman Louis Gohmert of Texas
Former U.S. Congressman Tom Tancredo of Colorado
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Weird Old Boys Club.

172 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:57:21pm

re: #171 jaunte

Weird Old Boys Club.

Very weird.

173 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:58:44pm

re: #170 Lidane

I say that about every Republican in Congress.

WTF GOP? This is the best you can do?

Representative democracy in action, unfortunately.

174 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:59:36pm
175 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 3:59:55pm

re: #153 EPR-radar

Technically, the house could pass a vote to impeach (simple majority). However, the GOP would never convict in the senate (needs 2/3rds).

I would love to see the grounds that those lunatics would impeach on.

176 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:00:24pm

re: #166 Gus

Maybe pre post facto. /

maybe pre-mature something

177 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:01:22pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

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The ears don’t stick out far enough.

178 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:03:55pm

re: #175 Lidane

I would love to see the grounds that those lunatics would impeach on.

It could be fun to guess the counts:

1) Being POTUS and black.

2) Being POTUS and belonging to the democratic party.

3) Being a fascist and communist at the same time.

4) Confiscating the GUNZ.

5) Getting any healthcare reform passed.

Surely there are more…

179 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:03:59pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

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Ha. That’s funny. The digital ID card format wasn’t introduced until 1996.

180 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:04:25pm

re: #126 Locker

I would look exactly as it looks now…. just a few thousand empty spaces where a moron used to stand. Unless you’re making homemade IEDs or have gotten a hold of a LAW rocket then one Bradley Fighting Vehicle could resist and repel anything these gun nut crazies have in their gun closet.

Hard to imagine the fantasy land these people live in.. standing on a pile of millions of dead liberals created by true American Spirit and my AR-15!

No it wouldn’t. There would be massive legal changes involved in defeating the heavily armed insurgents. Changes to the posse comitatus act, restrictions on weaponry, probably some search and seizure issues.

181 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:06:43pm

re: #180 kirkspencer

No it wouldn’t. There would be massive legal changes involved in defeating the heavily armed insurgents. Changes to the posse comitatus act, restrictions on weaponry, probably some search and seizure issues.

If nothing else, armed insurrection by gun nuts is probably what it would take to put modification of the 2nd amendment (or its repeal) on the table.

182 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:09:05pm

re: #181 EPR-radar

If nothing else, armed insurrection by gun nuts is probably what it would take to put modification of the 2nd amendment (or its repeal) on the table.

They keep talking about “revolution”, they don’t seem to remember that the Civil War (which is what they are really talking about) didn’t work out so well for the Rebels. It did spurn more than one Amendment to the Constitution.

183 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:13:30pm

Have a great evening all!

184 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:18:24pm

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

They keep talking about “revolution”, they don’t seem to remember that the Civil War (which is what they are really talking about) didn’t work out so well for the Rebels. It did spurn more than one Amendment to the Constitution.

More method to the madness —- this is why civil war revisionism is getting so popular among the RW nutburger set.

185 blueraven  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:19:17pm

re: #32 bratwurst

I saw this in a tweet earlier, but decided not to post it because I could not find confirmation elsewhere. Now that a news organization (albeit a horrible one) has picked it up…here is a REALLY OBNOXIOUSLY BAD IDEA:

Netanyahu to address CPAC

I dont know if they edited the entire article but the title is now

Netanyahu invited to address CPAC

Big difference between “invited to address” and “to address”
But thats how the Washington Times roll.

186 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:20:23pm

re: #30 The Mountain That Blogs

Indeed. That said, their law school is ABA accredited. With this guy as a professor.

I’d love to know how that trick was pulled off —- the bribes must have been astronomical.

187 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:24:19pm

Asshole, asshole again, and asshole.

188 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:25:22pm

re: #132 Pawn of the Oppressor

This article looks like an Onion parody. I wish it was.

Anybody who thinks their AR-15 is going to be of use in an armed insurrection against the gubmint, I have two words:

Helicopter.
Gunships.

Go look at the Youtube war porn vids of what happens when somebody shoots a rifle at an Apache. Hint: the dents in your pickup from 30mm cannon fire don’t exactly “buff right out.”

re: #133 Lidane

One more word: Drones.

These armchair warriors who think that buying up an arsenal of guns is somehow going to put them on the same level of firepower as the gubmint are in for a rude awakening when they open fire.

RWNJs who go for this fantasy are banking on the scenario that happened in the beginning of the Civil War, where a great many Southerners who were in the US armed forces, officers and enlisted alike (but most importantly, the officers), went to the Confederate armed forces, taking their arms and materiel with them.

Let’s not mince words here: these people are calling for open, armed insurrection against the US government and for members of the US military to betray their oaths (and duties to serve their country) and commit treason and sedition.

They are willing to destroy America to “save” it (and recreate it in their image).

189 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:26:46pm

re: #188 TedStriker

re: #133 Lidane

RWNJs who go for this fantasy are banking on the scenario that happened in the beginning of the Civil War, where a great many Southerners who were in the US armed forces, officers and enlisted alike (but most importantly, the officers), went to the Confederate armed forces, taking their arms and materiel with them.

Let’s not mince words here: these type of people are calling for open, armed insurrection against the US government and for members of the US military to betray their oaths (and duties to serve their country) and commit treason and sedition.

Unfortunately, I can see some of them doing it.

190 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:27:57pm

I watched the Ellen show today and they had a guest from some morning show. The guest said she programs 3 alarms into her iPhone just in case one alarm doesn’t go off. Ellen mentioned to her that if one alarm doesn’t go off the others aren’t likely to go off either since they were on the same phone.

Then Ellen mentioned the guest was a lawyer.

I thought lawyers needed to think logically, the ones here certainly can and do.

191 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:28:06pm

re: #10 Shiplord Kirel

Another loud-lout fat-bastard making threats he doesn’t really think he’ll have to back up. I’ll take him at his word that he was in the military. He would therefore know how he would fare against Bradleys, let alone M-1s. Not everyone in the gun cult is just blowing smoke though, some of them really don’t know any better. Be careful there, Matt, some of the more impressionable members of your cult might act on this incitement and start something you won’t be able to finish.

They won’t be shooting at the M-1 tanks. They can certainly find family members of the the crews, I suppose, although I doubt they would try that sort of thing. What concerns me is that a bug chunk of the military is very conservative and very Southern. I tend to think that desertion to the insurgents will be a major issue (for perspective, look at our own Civil War as well as the conflicts in Libya and Syria where military deserters have gone to the other side).

Government over-reaction is the one thing that can really boost recruitment for an insurgency. The IRA depended on British and RUC brutality for keeping membership up and engaged. If you see drones and heavy armor being used here, you run a real risk of states in the South going off of the reservation again. You might see them calling up their own National Guard units and attempting to cordon off military posts, and arresting federal officials. This is really something we don’t want to do again.

192 celticdragon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:29:11pm

re: #132 Pawn of the Oppressor

This article looks like an Onion parody. I wish it was.

Anybody who thinks their AR-15 is going to be of use in an armed insurrection against the gubmint, I have two words:

Helicopter.
Gunships.

Go look at the Youtube war porn vids of what happens when somebody shoots a rifle at an Apache. Hint: the dents in your pickup from 30mm cannon fire don’t exactly “buff right out.”

If we are using that kind of hardware in the US, then we are all in big, big trouble.

193 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:34:45pm

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

We’re going to have another Waco, possibly an Oklahoma City too. It gives me no pleasure to say so, but I think it is inevitable now.

A variant of the stochastic terrorism principle —- years of RW propaganda got Dr. Tiller murdered for providing abortions.

This crowd of douchebags is setting the stage for another rash of militia-type domestic terror incidents. There really should be a way to hold the agitators accountable.

Consider what the reaction (from RW and across the board) would be to Muslim Imams in the US using the same kind of language as the gun nuts.

194 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:35:43pm

The most certain casualty in the event of a second civil war comes from the fact of its very distributed nature. How do you know your neighbor is or is not “one of you” - whether that’s rebel or unionist?

195 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:38:37pm

re: #189 Mattand

Unfortunately, I can see some of them doing it.

Actually, I could see a relative handful of them doing it. However, I think the military has a pretty good idea who these folks are, and would move against them pre-emptively if push came to shove.

196 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:40:12pm

re: #94 Kragar

I prefer Heinlein’s vision. Citizenship upon service (not military service, the book’s version, not the movie).

People keep missing that. It wasn’t military service it was Federal service. Which could be cleaning floors or testing survival equipment on Titan.

197 kirkspencer  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:40:40pm

re: #195 Dr Lizardo

Actually, I could see a relative handful of them doing it. However, I think the military has a pretty good idea who these folks are, and would move against them pre-emptively if push came to shove.

The risk and question is how many of rank and influence would do it.

One of the concerns the federalist/anti-federalist writers had with a standing military, along with the fear of use by tyrants, was the usurpation by military coup.

198 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:43:21pm

re: #197 kirkspencer

The risk and question is how many of rank and influence would do it.

One of the concerns the federalist/anti-federalist writers had with a standing military, along with the fear of use by tyrants, was the usurpation by military coup.

All of that is very true. I know many of the RWNJ’s no doubt dream of a military coup.

199 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:47:54pm

re: #127 Lidane

Considering that the Treasury computers aren’t programmed to process checks in anything other than the order in which the invoices are received, trying to separate based on importance or any other metric, particularly one on zip would require significant time and effort - and prioritization isn’t likely to pass legal muster.

Treasury is going to pay the bills as long as it can with the money on hand. But when they lose that ability it’s all on the GOP. Pass the debt ceiling and enough with this nonsense.

Want to reduce the national deficit? Deal with spending cuts going forward. That’s not the same as the debt ceiling. Congress already approved this budget expenditure. Now, they’re just screwing with the markets and economy at large. Let the Treasury bonds default and the 2007 market crapout will look like a hiccup. This would be catastrophic and likely lead to other countries seeking safe haven anywhere but the US - China being the most likely beneficiary.

200 sagehen  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 4:50:16pm

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

They keep talking about “revolution”, they don’t seem to remember that the Civil War (which is what they are really talking about) didn’t work out so well for the Rebels. It did spurn more than one Amendment to the Constitution.

“BLOOD has been spilled to afford us this chance. The time to act is Now. Now! NOW!!”

(I haven’t seen it yet, which is why I’m only quoting the trailer…)

201 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:00:28pm

Shocka!

202 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:01:29pm

re: #201 Lidane

Shocka!

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203 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:02:22pm

re: #198 Dr Lizardo

All of that is very true. I know many of the RWNJ’s no doubt dream of a military coup.

PINOCHET!

Spit!

204 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:20:21pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

PINOCHET!

Spit!

Oh, come on. Pinochet was a harmless grandfatherly figure who implemented some badly needed pension reform in Chile. Communist agitators and union thugs made up all those stories about people disappearing.

//wingnut apologist mode off

205 Dr Lizardo  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:33:37pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

PINOCHET!

Spit!

The wingnuts idolize Pinochet. It’s disgusting.

Oh yeah, and Franco too.

206 b_sharp  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:38:10pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

PINOCHET!

Spit!

PINOCCHIO!

Axe!

Split!

207 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:39:27pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

The amount of this kind of crap being fed to the right wing base is truly disturbing.

I find it scarier that anyone is listening to this!

208 dgm42  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:10:28pm

I wonder what would happen if people in open carry states started showing up near movie theaters, malls, Republican constituency offices, schools etc. carrying assault rifles. Strictly within the letter of the law, mind you, and complete and prompt co-operation with the police when the show up in response to 911 calls.

This is a dangerous thing to do but I imagine that movie theater owners and mall owners (and the general public) would get sick of that pretty quickly and might call their congressman to see if something can be done about it.

209 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:13:08pm

re: #208 dgm42

I wonder what would happen if people in open carry states started showing up near movie theaters, malls, Republican constituency offices, schools etc. carrying assault rifles. Strictly within the letter of the law, mind you, and complete and prompt co-operation with the police when the show up in response to 911 calls.

This is a dangerous thing to do but I imagine that movie theater owners and mall owners (and the general public) would get sick of that pretty quickly and might call their congressman to see if something can be done about it.

This would work 10x faster if the people doing so weren’t straight, white men.

Unfortunately, this would leads to deaths, so it cannot be recommended.

210 elektramourns  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:28:19am

We have a rightwing website out of Columbia SC (www.fitsnews.com) that is supporting a Million Man March on Washington by gun advocates, saying they have a constitutional right to bear arms and will use arms to enforce that right.

211 RabbitRunner  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:14:13am

Townhall has really hit bottom when they feature gun toting trash like him

212 RabbitRunner  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 8:18:28am

Liberty U, what a joke, that is Falwell’s redneck Christian diploma mill


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