TwitterFacebook

Shock News: Lance Armstrong Admits Doping to Oprah

Did Sheryl know?
Sports • Views: 26,847
Lance Armstrong challenges Jan Ullrich in the 2001 Tour de France

Yep, Lance was a doper. Which I could actually forgive (even though the seeking-Oprah’s-benediction thing is totally transparent), because the fact is the whole sport does it.

But Armstrong went out of his way to smear and try to destroy people who told the truth about him, and even won several large court judgments that we now know were obtained through fraud.

Some of those people are now suing him to get those judgments back. Floyd Landis has filed a federal whistle-blower suit against Armstrong for defrauding the US Post Office. His life has become … complex.

He’ll still come out of this with a lot of money, but nobody will ever forget the things he did to try to protect his kingdom of lies.

It’s also still a fact that he was an amazing cyclist, drugs or not. In a sport where — let’s face it — all the top athletes were doing everything they could to get a slight edge, Lance had much, much more than an edge.

On his best days, he dominated the field in a way very few cyclists ever have; the epic battles with Marco Pantani and Jan Ullrich, the time trials where he absolutely blew away the competition, the insane climbs in the Alps when he would get up on the pedals and dance, and just rocket away from the lead group like a cycling god.

But athletic talent and human decency don’t always correlate, and Lance Armstrong may be the prime example.

I can’t help wondering, though, if Sheryl Crow knew he was hitting the EPO.

Jump to bottom

619 comments

1 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:39:13pm

Now if he’ll just admit he had invisible training wheels on his bike.

2 SpikeDad  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:42:02pm

Wonder if he’ll get into the Hall of Fame? 8-)

3 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:42:53pm

It’s kind of like Pete Rose admitting he had a gambling problem. Everyone knew it, it just wasn’t discussed.

4 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:44:48pm

re: #2 SpikeDad

Wonder if he’ll get into the Hall of Fame? 8-)

Right after Cheech Marin.

5 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:44:54pm
6 prairiefire  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:45:01pm

I think Sheryl knew and that’s why the engagement was over. She was interviewed by the investigators.

7 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:47:21pm
Meanwhile, Armstrong is in talks to return a portion of the millions of dollars in taxpayer money his former team, U.S. Postal Service, once received, CBS News has learned.

Senior Justice Department officials have recommended that the government join a lawsuit filed by one of Armstrong’s former teammates that accuses the disgraced cyclist of defrauding the federal government. Armstrong’s U.S. Postal sponsorship prohibited illegal doping.

Lance may have had a lot of natural talent and force of will, but this will eventually end badly (well, worse than it already is) for Armstrong, I’m afraid; it wouldn’t surprise me if the DOJ doesn’t eventually decide to put criminal charges (fraud, conspiracy to defraud, violations of the RICO Act, etc.) on him and other members of the USPS teams Lance led. However, someone more versed in the law than I am will have to pontificate on that; but here’s something everyone should know by now:

Don’t fuck with the Feds.

Sounds like Lance is about to find this out, the hard way.

8 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:47:38pm

I can’t help wondering, though, if Sheryl Crow knew he was hitting the EPO.

Sheryl is a rock star..She probably gets all the good stuff…

9 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:47:43pm

Medic-Alert bracelet for the 21st century

Image: 73378_10152044494302662_1482292335_n.jpg

10 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:51:10pm

re: #5 Gus

[Embedded content]

I think that’s gonna be the least of Lance’s worries, because once the DOJ gets its hooks into him over returning taxpayer money, there’s gonna be a US Attorney (or Attorneys) that are gonna want to make their names by putting him in the dock on criminal charges related to his fraud.

I wonder if the statute of limitations on some of that stuff is still good…

11 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:56:56pm

It’s pretty clear that Armstrong would never have admitted to doping if he didn’t have a really strong incentive to get ahead of something worse.

This is going to be much more difficult than beating Jan Ullrich up the Alpe d’Huez.

12 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:58:21pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s pretty clear that Armstrong would never have admitted to doping if he didn’t have a really strong incentive to get ahead of something worse.

This is going to be much more difficult than beating Jan Ullrich up the Alpe d’Huez.

Yeah, the prospect of living behind bars until he’s either old and gray or dead.

Once the DOJ starts on him, I get the feeling that his days as a free man will be limited, because in committing fraud (by doping) in taking taxpayer money for the USPS’ sponsorship of his teams, he broke a very serious rule: don’t fuck with the federal government.

13 Hal_10000  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:59:41pm

I’m not that surprised. The second I heard he’d booked himself on Oprah, I knew what he was going to say. There’s a documentary out there called “Bigger, Faster, Stronger” that gets into this in depth and shows just how nebulous the line is between legal and illegal when it comes to PED’s.

14 nines09  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 5:59:43pm

I look at the cycling and Lance and am reminded of baseball and steroids. Anyone with half a brain knew something was up, but the homes runs! The TV Ratings! The Stars and Stripes! The denial was strong and concerted as they both were Golden Gooses for both sports. Turns out both had feet of clay. When something or somebody seems to good to be true, they usually are.

15 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:01:42pm

Lance is a loser. Cannot give him a break for all the years of denial. Making money after all the denial.

And Tory Burch.

16 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:05:07pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

The problem for me is that can we trust anything he says now? Years of denials can’t be washed away by a stint on Oprah. Can’t trust what he says and at this point, anything he will say is in self-defense and self-interest.

And any prosecutor will know this when they seek prosecution for tax evasion, fraud, or any other crime that might be applicable to his wealth accumulation as a result of the wins, and his representations.

It’s also not like one can trust what he’s going to say about anyone else who he might implicate. That will read as though he’s giving up names to get reduced time/punishment.

17 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:05:59pm

re: #15 Stanghazi

Lance is a loser. Cannot give him a break for all the years of denial. Making money after all the denial.

And Tory Burch.

If what is being said about pretty much all of the top cyclists in contention during Lance’s TDF win streak were juicing, I still think that Lance would have dominated the sport if everyone was clean, because he has that natural ability and force of will; Lance juicing, unfortunately, kept him on an even playing field, so to speak.

However, that doesn’t make it right.

18 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:06:31pm

Maybe Lance will be happy when he moves into Glenn Beck’s new compound, WhoGivesAFuckistan.

19 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:07:54pm

He artificially constructed his Tour de France wins and now he is attempting to artificially construct his comeback by way of Oprah. Nothing has changed with this man.

20 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:08:04pm

re: #16 lawhawk

The problem for me is that can we trust anything he says now? Years of denials can’t be washed away by a stint on Oprah. Can’t trust what he says and at this point, anything he will say is in self-defense and self-interest.

And any prosecutor will know this when they seek prosecution for tax evasion, fraud, or any other crime that might be applicable to his wealth accumulation as a result of the wins, and his representations.

It’s also not like one can trust what he’s going to say about anyone else who he might implicate. That will read as though he’s giving up names to get reduced time/punishment.

If this ever shakes out to include Lance being put on trial in criminal cases related to his sponsorship by the USPS (and the taxpayer money that was, as we know now, obtained under false pretenses), he’s fucking done.

When he starts naming names of other juicers and those who enabled it to go on, he’s gonna look like a jailhouse rat, a stoolie.

21 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:10:07pm

re: #20 TedStriker

I think he’s more than half way there, already!

22 dragonath  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:10:44pm

I see he stopped posting passive aggressive tweets with pictures of his yellow jerseys on Twitter.

23 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:11:27pm

re: #18 darthstar

Maybe Lance will be happy when he moves into Glenn Beck’s new compound, WhoGivesAFuckistan.

Been tugging on the Intertubes string dangling from the other ‘compound’, Citadel III. It gets really interesting, with a serious chance of an RWNJ flameout. Might do a summary page.

24 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:11:30pm

re: #20 TedStriker

If this ever shakes out to include Lance being put on trial in criminal cases related to his sponsorship by the USPS, he’s fucking done.

When he starts naming names of other juicers and those who enabled it to go on, he’s gonna look like a jailhouse rat, a stoolie.

The names have already been named (for the most part). That’s how we got to this point in the 1st place, others with eye-witness accounts of what/where/ how Lance did it. Don’t forget., for over a decade, he had passed dozens and dozens of tests

25 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:11:50pm

re: #22 dragonath

I see he stopped posting passive aggressive tweets with pictures of his yellow jerseys on Twitter.

Those yellow jerseys are now nothing more than asterisks in the record books.

26 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:11:52pm

And when did Oprah become Mother Confessor of America?

Between her somehow being the Moral Authority of the US, and giving us shit like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz, I’m beginning to think of her along the same lines as I do Grover Norquist.

27 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:14:16pm

re: #24 sattv4u2

The names have already been named (for the most part). That’s how we got to this point in the 1st place, others with eye-witness accounts of what/where/ how Lance did it. Don’t forget., for over a decade, he had passed dozens and dozens of tests

Oh. I know; this whole snowball effect really got going when Landis got caught and he started naming names, especially Lance’s. But, the more this goes on, the more I think that Lance’s ego’s not going to let him hit rock-bottom without taking more than a few people with him.

28 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:14:28pm

re: #26 Mattand

Giggles, I find her more like Mr. Rogers, but without the cute sweater!

29 lawhawk  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:15:06pm

re: #20 TedStriker

Thing is that there were a bunch of other riders who were caught doing PEDs and they turned on Armstrong. Armstrong’s just going to pay it forward to someone higher on the food chain perhaps - the people who were providing the meds and illegal prescriptions. Ultimately, that’s where this would appear to be going.

The entire stretch from 1998 to the present is a red flag in cycling.

30 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:15:23pm

re: #26 Mattand

And when did Oprah become Mother Confessor of America?

Between her somehow being the Moral Authority of the US, and giving us shit like Dr. Phil and Dr. Oz, I’m beginning to think of her along the same lines as I do Grover Norquist.

Lance did this on the Oprah show because he knows he instantly gets millions of low information viewers on his side.

31 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:16:09pm

re: #27 TedStriker

Oh I know, but the more this goes on, the more I think that his ego’s not going to let him hit rock-bottom without taking more than a few people with him.

Nahh. I don’t think so. I really think that he believes this “confession” to Oprah will finish all talk about it (until the next news cycle). The more he yelps about “others” the more focus is still on his years of lying

32 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:17:13pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Lance did this on the Oprah show because he knows he instantly gets millions of low information viewers on his side.

Precisely.

People who he can try to get on his side to get him some leniency in the court of public opinion (and in the real courts, if he can).

33 darthstar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:17:50pm

Time to get ready for dinner…going out with friends I haven’t seen in a while. Play nice, everyone.

34 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:18:03pm

Heads up - Definite troll/probable sock alert

New registration, first post:

I want to know why you feature all of these asshat people on this site. You will never change the mind of their supporters, all you do is give them a pulpit that they can use on their sites. Can it be you are one of them in disguse?

cilento

Registered since: Jan 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of Pages posted: 0

35 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:18:09pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s pretty clear that Armstrong would never have admitted to doping if he didn’t have a really strong incentive to get ahead of something worse.

This is going to be much more difficult than beating Jan Ullrich up the Alpe d’Huez.

What do you think it is? He must have some friends in high places pushing him to do it.

36 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:20:06pm

re: #16 lawhawk

The problem for me is that can we trust anything he says now? Years of denials can’t be washed away by a stint on Oprah. Can’t trust what he says and at this point, anything he will say is in self-defense and self-interest.

That goes for many of the guys who testified against him, too. Hamilton, who co-wrote the book Charles link to at the top swore on his wife (who does that??) that he never doped, before he admitted he doped. Landis, who’s doing the whistle blower lawsuit, wrote a book and raised a fair amount of money claiming he never doped, before he admitted he doped.

It’s also not like one can trust what he’s going to say about anyone else who he might implicate. That will read as though he’s giving up names to get reduced time/punishment.

Too late for that. They all gave him up first. Except maybe Johann Bruyneel.

Of all the people Lance screwed, number one might be Greg LeMond. He had his own bicycle brand at Trek. He started publicly asking Lance to ‘fess up, before any one else was ready to do that. Trek sued LeMond for tarnishing their brand, since they were a MAJOR sponsor of Lance. LeMond lost his brand. I don’t know whether it cost him other expenses. LeMond may be one of the least bitter, though. He said if Lance works to clean up the sport’s image, he might even shake his hand.

37 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:22:20pm

re: #35 Kronocide

What do you think it is? He must have some friends in high places pushing him to do it.

For years public opinion was with him because he ‘passed” all those tests, so it was just his opponents sour grapes trying to bring him down (according to Lance’s fans)
. Now that there is a mountain of eye witnesses that have come forward that public support has eroded

If there is one thing he still craves it’s the limelight. Maybe not in public, but being a “player” in the corporate/ charity fund raising world. That’s been gone for awhile now. I think he believes if he can put this behind him he’ll be able to go back to that circuit

38 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:23:32pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

Thant goes for many of the guys who testified against him, too. Hamilton, who co-wrote the book Charles link to at the top swore on his wife (who does that??) that he never doped, before he admitted he doped. Landis, who’s doing the whistle blower lawsuit, wrote a book and raised a fair amount of money claiming he never doped, before he admitted he doped.

Too late for that. They all gave him up first. Except maybe Johann Bruyneel.

Of all the people Lance screwed, number one might be Greg LeMond. He had his own bicycle brand at Trek. He started publicly asking Lance to ‘fess up, before any one else was ready to do that. Trek sued LeMond for tarnishing their brand, since they were a MAJOR sponsor of Lance. LeMond lost his brand. I don’t know whether it cost him other expenses. LeMond may be one of the least bitter, though. He said if Lance works to clean up the sport’s image, he might even shake his hand.

I’m sorry, but if I were LeMond, I’d want to punch Lance in the fucking mouth.

Over and over and over again.

39 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:25:27pm

re: #35 Kronocide

What do you think it is? He must have some friends in high places pushing him to do it.

To avoid losing all of his (mostly ill-gotten) money and to keep from going to prison (if the DOJ investigations and trials come to that), I’ll bet.

40 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:27:21pm

re: #38 TedStriker

I’m sorry, but if I were LeMond, I’d want to punch Lance in the fucking mouth.

Over and over and over again.

LeMond’s been through a lot, and matured quite a bit since his racing days. He started talking about having been abused as a kid, after keeping that to himself for a long time. One of Lance’s associates even suggested using that against LeMond. But that’s why LeMond starting asking Lance to come clean. He learned first hand how healing it is to quit keeping secrets.

But yeah, I’ll bet he still has moments of anger. Maybe lots of ‘em.

41 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:29:09pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

LeMond’s been through a lot, and matured quite a bit since his racing days. He started talking about having been abused as a kid, after keeping that to himself for a long time. One of Lance’s associates even suggested using that against LeMond. But that’s why LeMond starting asking Lance to come clean. He learned first hand how healing it is to quit keeping secrets.

But yeah, I’ll bet he still has moments of anger. Maybe lots of ‘em.

I hope he uses Lance’s confession to sue the hell out of Trek for breach of contract, defamation of character, and whatever else he can.

42 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:30:21pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Heads up - Definite troll, probably sock alert

New registration, first post:

cilento

Registered since: Jan 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of Pages posted: 0

I spent some time composing a funny comeback about you and your ‘disguse’, and all the asshats your feature here, but I wasn’t sure it was going to come off well, and I forgot to even give him a downding. And now he’s gone! *sniff*

43 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:30:38pm

I say unleash the metaphorical hounds. Let them dope, take steroids, plutonium powered titanium femur implants. A race of atomic supermen that will conquer the world!
/If nothing else it should make sports more interesting.

44 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:31:32pm

re: #34 CuriousLurker

Heads up - Definite troll/probable sock alert

New registration, first post:

cilento

Registered since: Jan 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of Pages posted: 0

———————————————————————————————
cilento
This user is blocked.

Registered since: Jan 14, 2013 at 3:40 pm
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of Pages posted: 0

And now gone.

45 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:31:43pm

re: #41 TedStriker

I hope he uses Lance’s confession to sue the hell out of Trek for breach of contract and whatever else he can.

Yeah, no matter what happens here, the lawyers are going to maintain full employment. I just hope they all ride bikes and buy more of ‘em.

46 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:32:24pm

I despise Oprah Winfrey. So this makes my opinion of Lance Armstrong get even lower, if that’s at all possible.

(Among other things, Oprah welcomes guests that claim Jews drink babies’ blood!

And she’s never apologized for this and dozens of other things, like telling kids not to get immunized.)

47 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:32:56pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I say unleash the metaphorical hounds. Let them dope, take steroids, plutonium powered titanium femur implants. A race of atomic supermen that will conquer the world!
/If nothing else it should make sports more interesting.

Maybe, if they fund their own doped-athlete healthcare system and long-term senescence facilities.

48 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:33:25pm

re: #7 TedStriker

Would it have worked if he just kept his mouth shut and retired?

49 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:33:38pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

re: #44 Bubblehead II

Pretty short troll career, heh.

50 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:35:31pm

He’ll probably lose this endorsement deal, too!

Image: 7157380585_6325450cdb_b.jpg

51 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:35:36pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

I spent some time composing a funny comeback about you and your ‘disguse’, and all the asshats your feature here, but I wasn’t sure it was going to come off well, and I forgot to even give him a downding. And now he’s gone! *sniff*

Is DF here, Troll bq?

52 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:35:42pm

NYT is a little late to the party: Morsi’s Slurs Against Jews Raise Doubts

53 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:36:06pm

re: #47 jaunte

Maybe, if they fund their own doped-athlete healthcare system and long-term senescence facilities.

And chain of mortuaries.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:36:38pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Um, they’re already taking all of that & more. Just not admitting to it. Look how long “they” have been after Lance!

55 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:37:06pm

re: #50 ReamWorks SKG

He’ll probably lose this endorsement deal, too!

Image: 7157380585_6325450cdb_b.jpg

Took me a second… but LULz.

56 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:37:06pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

re: #44 Bubblehead II

Pretty short troll career, heh.

LGF is a false flag operation man! /

57 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:37:15pm

re: #48 ReamWorks SKG

Would it have worked if he just kept his mouth shut and retired?

Some say if he hadn’t attempted a comeback after his first retirement he might have gotten away with it.

58 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:38:20pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

He’s getting nearly zero public sympathy. I wonder what he was thinking?

59 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:38:20pm

re: #49 CuriousLurker

Seen some that were shorter. But not by much.

60 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:38:44pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

NYT is a little late to the party: Morsi’s Slurs Against Jews Raise Doubts

24 hour day week rule

61 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:39:35pm

re: #58 ReamWorks SKG

He’s getting nearly zero public sympathy. I wonder what he was thinking?

see 37

62 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:41:06pm

re: #48 ReamWorks SKG

Would it have worked if he just kept his mouth shut and retired?

I doubt it, because, as the scuttlebutt goes, he was apparently helping to hook riders in his USPS/Discovery Channel teams up with the stuff (and probably his Astana and RadioShack teams too).

You know how the old saying goes: three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead.

63 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:43:15pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

People will suspect that his testicle cancer was fueled by drugs! Even his “charity” has no credibility. I don’t think he can be a player in any world.

64 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:45:09pm

re: #63 ReamWorks SKG

People will suspect that his testicle cancer was fueled by drugs! Even his “charity” has no credibility. I don’t think he can be a player in any world.

He’s proven he can raise millions
He’ll go on an “I’m sorry” tour with a side of “do it for the sick people, unlike me, they didn’t have a choice”

65 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:45:58pm

re: #58 ReamWorks SKG

He’s getting nearly zero public sympathy. I wonder what he was thinking?

Wasn’t it ego that took down [fill in the name of any hero who fell throughout history…] ?

66 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:46:53pm

re: #63 ReamWorks SKG

People will suspect that his testicle cancer was fueled by drugs! Even his “charity” has no credibility. I don’t think he can be a player in any world.

I feel for all of the innocent people working in and with the Livestrong Foundation who knew nothing of Lance’s fraud, but they need to shut the doors and give donors their money back, because they’ll never be able to shake his stench off, even though he stepped down from its board.

Besides, I don’t want Lance to have any positive legacy stemming from a career that he cheated and lied to get to the pinnacle of.

67 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:47:59pm

Later, lizards.

Image: h63B0F7BE.jpg

68 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:49:27pm

re: #66 TedStriker

Besides, I don’t want Lance to have any positive legacy stemming from a career that he cheated and lied to get to the pinnacle of.

Not excusing it, but keep in mind that everyone Lance was competing against was cheating just as much.

69 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:49:57pm

re: #66 TedStriker

I feel for all of the innocent people working in and with the Livestrong Foundation who knew nothing of Lance’s fraud, but they need to shut the doors and give donors their money back, because they’ll never be able to shake his stench off.

Besides. I don’t want Lance to have any positive legacy stemming from a career that he cheated and lied to get to the pinnacle of.

I’m sorry but that’s just dumb.
I’ve given and I wouldn’t even THINK of asking for it back.

70 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:52:19pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Not excusing it, but keep in mind that everyone Lance was competing against was cheating just as much.

I think the main charge to lay against Armstrong (and it is a serious one) is the fact that he went after other cyclists for (correctly) smearing his reputation.

Doping by itself is not an interesting charge if everyone is doing it.

71 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:52:26pm

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Not excusing it, but keep in mind that everyone Lance was competing against was cheating just as much.

And I even said as much in my #17.

If the fields that Lance ran against in his TDF heyday were clean (and if he was clean as well), I have no doubts that he would have still dominated. As it turned out, they weren’t clean and Lance turned out to be one of the dirtiest of all.

The SOB gets no sympathy from me.

72 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:52:50pm

re: #66 TedStriker

re: #69 sattv4u2

I’m sorry but that’s just dumb.
I’ve given and I wouldn’t even THINK of asking for it back.

I won’t put the yellow bracelet on any more. Hell, I’ll even send it back! But the money is going to something far greater than Lances ego

73 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:54:33pm

re: #50 ReamWorks SKG

He’ll probably lose this endorsement deal, too!

Image: 7157380585_6325450cdb_b.jpg

That’s a low blow.

74 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:54:52pm

re: #73 Bubblehead II

That’s a low blow.

It’s still funny…

75 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:56:29pm

If you’re going to base a multi-billion dollar economy on professional sports, you might as well let the athletes dope where you can monitor them safely, instead of some asshole dying because he does it wrong.

76 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:57:57pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

I say unleash the metaphorical hounds. Let them dope, take steroids, plutonium powered titanium femur implants. A race of atomic supermen that will conquer the world!
/If nothing else it should make sports more interesting.

It’s been done

Image: rollerball-1975-01—g.jpg
//

77 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:58:43pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

I’m sorry but that’s just dumb.
I’ve given and I wouldn’t even THINK of asking for it back.

I’m sorry, but Livestrong would not exist if Lance hadn’t juiced, “won” all those TDFs, and then put his name and reputation behind it; while it has laudable goals, it was also another outlet for his Texas-sized ego.

And now, it’s become collateral damage to his fall from grace; I say let the foundation fold, because they’ll never be able to get enough distance from Lance and the rest of his “legacy”.

78 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:58:44pm

Of course keep in mind I think most professional sports would be improved by crew served weapons, trip mines, and sudden death rounds living up to their names, so take it with a grain of salt.

79 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 6:59:06pm

re: #74 TedStriker

It’s still funny…

I know. I guess that post didn’t come across the way I thought it would.

80 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:00:39pm

re: #77 TedStriker

I’m sorry, but Livestrong would not exist if Lance hadn’t juiced and “won” all those TDFs; while it has laudable goals, it was also another outlet for his ego.

And now, it’s become collateral damage to his fall from grace; I say let the foundation fold, because they’ll never be able to get enough distance from Lance and the rest of his “legacy”.

I didn’t disagree with that part
I highlighted give donors their money back specifically and you left that part out of your 77

81 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:01:28pm

The human condition. Sad.

82 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:02:06pm

re: #81 Achilles Tang

The human condition. Sad.

So was my skin condition at 16 years old!!!!

//

83 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:02:31pm

re: #78 Kragar

I really prefer cage matches!

84 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:02:36pm

re: #80 sattv4u2

I didn’t disagree with that part
I highlighted give donors their money back specifically

If the foundation ever does fold, I’d expect it to be liquidated and anything that wasn’t needed to settle up accounts to be disbursed back to the donors, if possible.

If any excess funds were just transferred to other charities, a lot of people (including me) might see it as dirty, tainted money, because the circumstances that led to the foundation of Livestrong were a sham and a fraud.

85 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:09:44pm

re: #7 TedStriker

Lance may have had a lot of natural talent and force of will, but this will eventually end badly (well, worse than it already is) for Armstrong, I’m afraid; it wouldn’t surprise me if the DOJ doesn’t eventually decide to put criminal charges (fraud, conspiracy to defraud, violations of the RICO Act, etc.) on him and other members of the USPS teams Lance led. However, someone more versed in the law than I am will have to pontificate on that; but here’s something everyone should know by now:

Don’t fuck with the Feds.

Sounds like Lance is about to find this out, the hard way.

Given the conspiratorial nature of the doping scandal, RICO charges are a possibility, and they are a fearsome thing. If RICO were involved, Lance Armstrong could be found guilty of every crime committed by everyone in the doping ring.

RICO is the kind of case that sends you to prison for life.

86 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:09:49pm
I can’t help wondering, though, if Sheryl Crow knew he was hitting the EPO.

If it makes you happy, it can’t be that bad.
If it makes you happy, why the hell are you so sad..

87 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:11:08pm

candy-keistered-liberal-cream-puff totalitarian

yeah that’s me alright

where the hell is my t-shirt

88 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:12:02pm

re: #83 Dancing along the light of day

I really prefer cage matches!

Of course, because then you can look down and get an overhead view of the match.

/giraffe humor

89 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:13:26pm

re: #81 Achilles Tang

The human condition

when people use the phrase “human nature”, they’re usually referring to something bad

90 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:15:45pm

re: #89 engineer cat

when people use the phrase “human nature”, they’re usually referring to something bad

Not me

Image: tree_trunk_face.jpg

91 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:16:43pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

Given the conspiratorial nature of the doping scandal, RICO charges are a possibility, and they are a fearsome thing. If RICO were involved, Lance Armstrong could be found guilty of every crime committed by everyone in the doping ring.

RICO is the kind of case that sends you to prison for life.

Hence why I think that Lance is trying to get out front now in a sympathetic venue (with Oprah), because he knows he’s standing in front of a giant steamroller.

92 dragonath  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:19:39pm

The Atlantic article that Bratwurst linked to in the Pages is really freaky. I thought the magazine was supposed to improve when they got rid of McArdle.

I don’t think even Variety runs Scientology ads, much less produce them.

93 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:20:34pm

I got to page 300 of that Steve Berry novel I was reading over the weekend, the one about Columbus and the Juice Treasure and my eyeballs got strained from all the eyerolls.

I can’t finish reading this shit, and Tom Friedman Somethingorother (but we all know he’s writing about Tom Friedman) is too huge of a douche to care about.

One star, because Amazon won’t allow zero or negative stars.

Why don’t authors do minimal research? I bet he would do research if he was writing about vampires.

Hours of my life I will never get back.

94 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:20:44pm

re: #91 TedStriker

Hence why I think that Lance is trying to get out front now in a sympathetic venue (with Oprah), because he knows he’s standing in front of a giant steamroller.

Sympathy doesn’t help all that much with this kind of case. The best chance for the people involved in this is to just confess en masse and then cut some type of deal for having not forced a trial. For Lance Armstrong, though, that deal is going to include prison time.

95 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:21:47pm

re: #92 dragonath

The Atlantic article that Bratwurst linked to in the Pages is really freaky. I thought the magazine was supposed to improve when they got rid of McArdle.

I don’t think even Variety runs Scientology ads, much less produce them.

I don’t think The Atlantic produced the Scientology ad. I think the Scientologists did it in the style of The Atlantic, and then had it inserted verbatim as “sponsor content”.

96 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:21:48pm

re: #94 Dark_Falcon

Sympathy doesn’t help all that much with this kind of case. The best chance for the people involved in this is to just confess en masse and then cut some type of deal for having not forced a trial. For Lance Armstrong, though, that deal is going to include prison time.

He’s already lost all of his TDF wins, he stands to lose quite a bit (if not all) of his personal fortune to the Feds, Landis, and others; at this point, I think he’s just trying to avoid losing his freedom by manipulating the court of public opinion.

97 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:21:50pm

I think Lance was inspired by that South Park episode about Jesus and the bracelets.

98 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:23:03pm

Well shit. Just popped into the fever swamp for a bit to check their “web awards” and found out I wasn’t even a contender. Hell, I thought I might have had a shot at the least interesting poster award. ///

99 sattv4u2  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:23:34pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Well shit. Just popped into the fever swamp for a bit to check their “web awards” and found out I wasn’t even a contender. Hell, I thought I might have had a shot at the least interesting poster award. ///

Did you say something?
/

100 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:24:05pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Another little devil got his horns!

101 dragonath  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:25:11pm

re: #95 EPR-radar

Yeah. It’s still weird to see something like that published under their byline though. It would be like the Pope writing an article for “La Repubblica”.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:26:50pm

re: #98 Bubblehead II

Well shit. Just popped into the fever swamp for a bit to check their “web awards” and found out I wasn’t even a contender. Hell, I thought I might have had a shot at the least interesting poster award. ///

You shoulda been a contender! //

They gave me one of their “awards”, but I just look at it as yet another chance for them to show their asses to the whole world.

[waves to the Stalkers]

103 Political Atheist  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:28:08pm

re: #77 TedStriker

I’m sorry, but Livestrong would not exist if Lance hadn’t juiced, “won” all those TDFs, and then put his name and reputation behind it; while it has laudable goals, it was also another outlet for his Texas-sized ego.

And now, it’s become collateral damage to his fall from grace; I say let the foundation fold, because they’ll never be able to get enough distance from Lance and the rest of his “legacy”.

Disagree-The purpose was always larger than Lance.

104 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:32:10pm

re: #103 Political Atheist

Disagree-The purpose was always larger than Lance.

That may be true, but if Livestrong is able to shake Lance’s stench (even though he’s been gone from the foundation for months) and stay solvent, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

105 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:32:34pm

re: #101 dragonath

Yeah. It’s still weird to see something like that published under their byline though. It would be like the Pope writing an article for “La Repubblica”.

Stealth indoctrination. The Scientologists are hoping that people will read it as if it were a normal piece in the The Atlantic, as opposed to Scientologist literature.

It is not working well (at least among the commenters there).

106 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:33:19pm

re: #103 Political Atheist

Disagree-The purpose was always larger than Lance.

I agree and I think TS does too, but that doesn’t matter now. Livestrong is now tainted by its founder’s lies and deceit. I see no way of ridding it of that taint unless Armstrong was willing to publicly confess all his misdeeds, and accept a prison term. That might be enough to cleanse it of the taint, if it were renamed.

107 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:36:11pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

You shoulda been a contender! //

They gave me one of their “awards”, but I just look at it as yet another chance for them to show their asses to the whole world.

[waves to the Stalkers]

The Irish Rose Award is awarded to those sycophantic echo-chamber lizards possessing the thickest calluses on their lips.

Strange, I seem to recall you and Charles having several ongoing differences of opinion. This is sucking up how?

Waves at stalkers “!”

That’s supposed to be the finger. Anybody else have a better way to do it?

108 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:38:23pm

There are plenty of other reputable charities to donate to. Maybe LiveStrong should just fade away and send donors to other orgs.

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:39:08pm

re: #107 Bubblehead II

The Irish Rose Award is awarded to those sycophantic echo-chamber lizards possessing the thickest calluses on their lips.

Strange, I seem to recall you and Charles having several ongoing differences of opinion. This is sucking up how?

Waves at stalkers “!”

They think that the fact that I don’t flounce is proof I’m a ‘sycophant’. I think they’re full of crap.

110 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:39:11pm

Oh those wacky gun nuts.

Ebay: Assault Weapon- Caveman’s AR15 (Assault Rock)

This is your chance to own the most iconic piece of history tried and true of all assault weapons! This rock is millions of years old and may have been the caveman’s AR15. This is not a modern AR15 or assault weapon, rather this is the caveman’s AR15 (Assault Rock). Again this is a ROCK.

money will be going to firearms related clubs, charities ect just not decided yet so it will be used for good

111 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:41:31pm
112 Mattand  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:42:37pm

I sorta made their front page once when I first asked about them. The post was hopeful that they might “enlighten” someone else about the horrible nature of LGF.

After spending about 5 minutes poring through the site, I was tempted to register just to tell them to go pound sand. However, given that the guy’s apparent skill is stalking people, I decided against it.

I’m still stunned by the amount of effort this guy puts into the stalker blog. He’s easily spending 30 hours a week doing it. There’s some kind of borderline illness at work there.

113 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:44:06pm

re: #110 Shvaughn

Oh those wacky gun nuts.

Ebay: Assault Weapon- Caveman’s AR15 (Assault Rock)

The bid is a little over $4K right now (for a rock), so at least one gun nut has $$$ to burn.

114 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:45:09pm

re: #110 Shvaughn

Oh those wacky gun nuts.

Ebay: Assault Weapon- Caveman’s AR15 (Assault Rock)

It’s kind of lame, but its harmless and non-vitriolic.

115 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:45:24pm
116 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:45:32pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

It’s kind of lame, but its harmless and non-vitriolic.

That’s why I said “wacky”!

117 Stan the Demanded Plan  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:48:07pm

Lance lived quite the high life, going to all the soirees and mingling with all the people. Children abound. No worries about his funding. Because he made all this money off of his athletic prowess. Which turns out to be a lie.

He should get a job. And, no, it’s not making money off of triathlons.

118 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:50:13pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I don’t think there is any way for Livestrong to become untainted.

119 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:50:53pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

You shoulda been a contender! //

They gave me one of their “awards”, but I just look at it as yet another chance for them to show their asses to the whole world.

[waves to the Stalkers]

Congrats for your award! The trophy is in the mail I’m sure.

120 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:52:00pm

re: #112 Mattand

It’s more than a “borderline” illness. And, sadly to say, there are TONS of others just as sick. Ask Charles, if you don’t believe me. Or read back to the “great banning era” on LGF.

121 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:53:38pm

re: #108 Mich-again

There are plenty of other reputable charities to donate to. Maybe LiveStrong should just fade away and send donors to other orgs.

I seem to remember that there were similar calls to do the same thing with the Susan K Korman Foundation when their CEO went over the line.

Just because a Founder/CEO/Board Member is found wanting, doesn’t mean the charity in and of itself is corrupt.

Yes, take action. It got what her’s name removed from the organization. But it survived and still has the potential to help others.

Don’t drown it because of a bad apple.

122 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:54:19pm

re: #120 Dancing along the light of day

It’s more than a “borderline” illness. And, sadly to say, there are TONS of others just as sick. Ask Charles, if you don’t believe me. Or read back to the “great banning era” on LGF.

This is why their pathology should not be fed and nurtured with mentions here, thus giving them the attention they crave and reinforcing said pathology.

123 Kronocide  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:57:07pm

I’m sure this is going to make the rounds:

Mother Rejects Abortion After Seeing Baby’s Smile in Ultrasound

124 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:57:08pm

re: #122 Interesting Times

“They” don’t need their pathology reinforced, it is iron strength. And there are several “pits” of former LGF’ers and stalkers, not just one. Whole lot of sick peoples in this world.

125 EPR-radar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:57:45pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

I seem to remember that there were similar calls to do the same thing with the Susan K Korman Foundation when their CEO went over the line.

Just because a Founder/CEO/Board Member is found wanting, doesn’t mean the charity in and of itself is corrupt.

Yes, take action. It got what her’s name removed from the organization. But it survived and still has the potential to help others.

Don’t drown it because of a bad apple.

Armstrong’s issues are personal, while the Komen issue was ideological (some among the Komen leadership wanted to go on an anti-PP crusade).

Personally, I wouldn’t trust Komen unless a clean sweep had been made of the ideologues, rather than just removal of a single scapegoat.

126 TedStriker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 7:59:21pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I agree and I think TS does too, but that doesn’t matter now. Livestrong is now tainted by its founder’s lies and deceit. I see no way of ridding it of that taint unless Armstrong was willing to publicly confess all his misdeeds, resign as the foundation’s and accept a prison term. That might be enough to cleanse it of the taint, if it were renamed.

Lance already resigned from Livestrong’s board a few months ago, IIRC…may have been more recent than that.

However, he was the face of the foundation and the reason it exists. I can’t see very many ways that Livestrong doesn’t lose a bunch of donors over Lance’s fraud, especially big-money and corporate donors.

127 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:00:27pm

re: #124 Dancing along the light of day

“They” don’t need their pathology reinforced, it is iron strength. And there are several “pits” of former LGF’ers and stalkers, not just one. Whole lot of sick peoples in this world.

I know, but I avoid those cesspools for a reason. Having them mentioned (and therefore encouraged) with comments here is like having the cesspool water splashed in my path, so I suffer the stench regardless (as does anyone else who doesn’t want to be exposed to that garbage)

128 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:01:37pm

re: #127 Interesting Times

Ahem, you look HOT in black plastic, if I may say so!
Keeps you clean, too!

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:02:22pm

re: #119 Mich-again

Congrats for your award! The trophy is in the mail I’m sure.

If I ever get a package from those guys, I’m going to call the bomb squad.

130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:03:54pm

re: #117 Stanghazi

Lance lived quite the high life, going to all the soirees and mingling with all the people. Children abound. No worries about his funding. Because he made all this money off of his athletic prowess. Which turns out to be a lie.

He should get a job. And, no, it’s not making money off of triathlons.

Well, he’s proven he’s a lying weasel, so he could run for Congress.

132 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:07:15pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

Armstrong’s issues are personal, while the Komen issue was ideological (some among the Komen leadership wanted to go on an anti-PP crusade).

Personally, I wouldn’t trust Komen unless a clean sweep had been made of the ideologues, rather than just removal of a single scapegoat.

Like I said. Don’t drown the baby (charity) because of it (foster) parents. It has potential.

133 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:08:04pm
134 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:08:32pm
135 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:11:00pm

re: #121 Bubblehead II

I seem to remember that there were similar calls to do the same thing with the Susan K Korman Foundation when their CEO went over the line.

Just because a Founder/CEO/Board Member is found wanting, doesn’t mean the charity in and of itself is corrupt.

Yes, take action. It got what her’s name removed from the organization. But it survived and still has the potential to help others.

Don’t drown it because of a bad apple.

Komen is bullshit anyway. Most of their money is spent on marketing, overhead, and paying the salaries of their Board. Very little of it goes to actual research.

136 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:11:47pm

Night Lizards. LGF’s most boring poster is headed for bed.

As always, May The Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

137 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:13:49pm
138 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:14:08pm

re: #132 Bubblehead II

Like I said. Don’t drown the baby (charity) because of it (foster) parents. It has potential.

Except a charity is all about the people who run it.

There are other charities which are worthy.

139 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:17:39pm

re: #138 Shvaughn

Except a charity is all about the people who run it.

There are other charities which are worthy.

I agree with that. It’s all built on a lie. Maybe they should rename it Cheat Strong and see who still wants to donate.

140 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:21:35pm

re: #139 Mich-again

I agree with that. It’s all built on a lie. Maybe they should rename it Cheat Strong and see who still wants to donate.

Though it’s not the same level of criminality by any stretch, I can’t help but think of the youth charity (shudder) that Sandusky was involved with.

141 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:24:59pm

re: #119 Mich-again

Congrats for your award! The trophy is in the mail I’m sure.

yea..But I thought it was so stupid and childish I campanged for the award..It pissed them off cause I didn’t even get mentioned.
They are hateful and lie about people. I’ve left websites before but didn’t whine about it for literally years. I’ll stop going there till next years award.
The reason I went there for the last 6 months is to check out Steve’s music links. The man is a musical genius. It’s not worth it anymore.

142 Bubblehead II  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:26:32pm

re: #138 Shvaughn

Except a charity is all about the people who run it.

There are other charities which are worthy.

Then name them. Post links to their sites.

Do they support Women’s Rights?

Do they Support Gay Rights?

Post them.

And with that I am now out of here

143 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:30:59pm
144 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:31:03pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

That was the first time I visited that site. frankly I am disappointed I didn’t get a lifetime achievement award or something like that. ha

145 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:33:16pm

OH..And thank you for the complement last night Floral. I figured out years ago why you don’t post your picture as an avatar. You’d have to beat people off with a big stick from bugging you.

146 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:34:29pm

re: #143 jaunte

[Embedded content]

With that, Lance is acting like a person with a textbook case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Rules are for other people. If I failed, it was someone else’s fault. My plan was perfect, you all fucked it up…

My kid had a football coach like that in HS .

147 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:39:38pm

re: #145 HoosierHoops

Giggles, you are such a sweetie!

148 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:47:39pm

The Quality of Mercy

The quality of mercy is not strain’d.
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath. It is twice blest:
It blesseth him that gives, and him that takes.
‘Tis mightiest in the mightiest; it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown.
His scepter shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptered sway;
It is enthroned in the heart of kings;
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy seasons justice.
— William Shakespeare

149 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:47:47pm

*headdesk*

But wait!

150 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:48:12pm

re: #142 Bubblehead II

Then name them. Post links to their sites.
Do they support Women’s Rights?
Do they Support Gay Rights?
Post them.
And with that I am now out of here

This is a pretty good one.

151 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:48:28pm

re: #147 Dancing along the light of day

Ring me?

152 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:48:51pm

Belgium twice in a row without plan. Hmmm.

153 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:50:30pm

re: #151 Dancing along the light of day

Ring me?

sure enough

154 Interesting Times  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:52:15pm

re: #150 Shvaughn

This is a pretty good one.

In the “I should have known, but didn’t” category, Cecile Richards (president of Planned Parenthood) is the daughter of Ann Richards - former governor of the very state trying to destroy the organization today :(

155 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 8:59:36pm

The Tea Party/GOP alliance is melting.. melting..

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

156 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:02:18pm

re: #155 Mich-again


What a nut.

157 Shvaughn  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:04:11pm

re: #156 jaunte

[Embedded content]

What a nut.

You mean “treasonous fuck.”

158 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:04:20pm

re: #156 jaunte

Dear Fuckwit,

The Mason-Dixon line is still inside that dictatorship. The South lost, remember?

Do us all a favor. Sell all your shit, then self-deport to whatever country will take you. It won’t be a big loss to see you go.

No love,
Me

159 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:05:00pm

re: #156 jaunte

[Embedded content]

What a nut.

5 alarm fire.

160 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:05:14pm
161 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:05:45pm

I don’t think Delta flies to the Penn/Maryland border.

162 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:07:17pm

re: #156 jaunte

Those comments are a treasure trove. And they’re not just over-the-top anonymous comments in a Freeper thread, They’re FB posts, which means those commenters are totally OK that everyone on their friend list can see them. wowie.

163 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:07:26pm
164 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:09:59pm

re: #160 Gus

Favorite tweet ever. LMAO!

165 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:10:10pm

Long 200 meters. Re-attack. Wilco.

166 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:10:28pm

re: #164 Mich-again

Favorite tweet ever. LMAO!

Innit?

167 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:14:21pm

re: #162 Mich-again

Dean Lauer: Red is the new blue in 2013, Republicans in leadership are simply ‘Democrats light’ for all intents and purposes.

Purity purge, coming right up.

168 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:15:16pm
169 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:18:19pm

Hell. We’ve been voting in the best tyrannical infrastructure, so to speak, for some time now. If a tyrant ever got a hold of this government we’d be doomed! :O

170 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:20:30pm

The only Lance Armstrong illustration that you’ll need for a while:

Image: WATSON_00002174-025-e1349960410980-648x421.jpg

Photo: Graham Watson | [Link: www.grahamwatson.com…]

Careful, that website makes noise.

171 Mich-again  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:22:36pm

re: #166 Gus

I love that skullet bro is sporting. And that sweater vest. ha

172 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:25:03pm

These people remind me of some of the folks during the Latin American dictatorships. The rightest radicals.

173 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:29:46pm

re: #172 Gus

These people remind me of some of the folks during the Latin American dictatorships. The rightest radicals.

Except they don’t know anything about living under a dictatorship.

None of us do, unless we emigrated here from an oppressed country.

174 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:37:43pm

It are my birfday for 1.5 moar hrs. Pls to send lolcats.

[HAz invisible bike alreddy, thx.]

CL haz sended 1 in advanss Thx.

Image: fuckyouiamcat.png

175 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:38:39pm

re: #173 Lidane

Except they don’t know anything about living under a dictatorship.

None of us do, unless we emigrated here from an oppressed country.

I have one aunt that left Poland during the 40s. Another that left Cuba during the 50s. We left Argentina in the early 60s. Sometimes I think I dodged a bullet. I could have been a conscript in the Falklands War. A third cousin disappeared.

176 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:42:00pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

It are my birfday for 1.5 moar hrs. Pls to send lolcats.

[HAz invisible bike alreddy, thx.]

CL haz sended 1 in advanss Thx.

Image: fuckyouiamcat.png

Image: Fuck_You_Im_An_Anteater.jpg

177 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:43:47pm
178 jaunte  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:45:51pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Happe birfday
Image: canhazprezint.jpg

179 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:46:21pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

not anteater, not cat

Damn bunnies fucking with our heads by being so cute.

180 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:47:42pm
181 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:48:02pm

re: #178 jaunte

Happe birfday
Image: canhazprezint.jpg

Keeper!

182 gwangung  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:48:03pm

re: #173 Lidane

Except they don’t know anything about living under a dictatorship.

None of us do, unless we emigrated here from an oppressed country.

You know who knows a lot about that?

All those brown people. Who emigrated FROM countries with lots of dictatorships. Where rich families of the upper class are in bed with the dictators. You know, countries in Asia and South America?

The people right wing yo-yos are doing their best to oppress and marginalize? ANd have the brain dead idea that these brown people are FOR dictatorships?

183 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:49:05pm

You can’t kill it! Look at it! It’s so, cute.

184 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:49:51pm

Why bunnies are still with us and other amazing tales of human animal behavior.

185 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:50:04pm

re: #183 Gus

You can’t kill it! Look at it! It’s so, cute.

Good thing you’re not a caveman. You’d starve.

186 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:51:33pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Good thing you’re not a caveman. You’d starve.

I speak from my present comfort zone. Things are rough but I’m still not a caveman. Although I can be easily confused for one.

187 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:51:48pm
188 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:53:19pm

OK, so, final word on Lance. Frankly, I will continue to ignore Lance Armstrong. Please go away. KTHXBYE

189 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:54:54pm

re: #187 wrenchwench

The cape part is cracking me up! No, you don’t want to know why!

190 Lidane  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:55:00pm

re: #182 gwangung

You know who knows a lot about that?

All those brown people. Who emigrated FROM countries with lots of dictatorships. Where rich families of the upper class are in bed with the dictators. You know, countries in Asia and South America?

The people right wing yo-yos are doing their best to oppress and marginalize? ANd have the brain dead idea that these brown people are FOR dictatorships?

Pfft. Now you’re bringing facts to the table. Don’t you know the wingnuts hate that?

191 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 9:55:02pm

re: #186 Gus

I speak from my present comfort zone. Things are rough but I’m still not a caveman. Although I can be easily confused for one.

It’s all relative. Hot shower any day I want to take one is pretty luxurious.

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:01:59pm

re: #188 Gus

OK, so, final word on Lance. Frankly, I will continue to ignore Lance Armstrong. Please go away. KTHXBYE

I don’t have that luxury. People see a bike shop and say to themselves, “Oh, look. A bike shop. I think I’ll go in there and ask what they think about this whole Lance thing. And while I’m at it, I’ll tell them about the Schwinn I had in 1970.”

193 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:02:30pm

And now, a gripping tale about a species driven almost to extinction:

Study: ‘Brazilian’ bikini waxing contributing to extinction of pubic lice

… an increased emphasis on pubic maintenance has diminished infestations of the crab-footed bugs.

“We put the flag out, so to speak, if we see a case of pubic lice nowadays,” said Janet Wilson, a sexual health consultant based out of Leeds, England. “The ‘habitat destruction’ of the pubic lice is increasing and they are becoming an endangered species.”

While studies as recent as 2009 found Phthirus pubis afflicted between 2 and 10 percent of the human population, England is one of several countries reporting a steep drop in cases: Sexual health practitioners in Sydney, Australia, have reported not having to treat a woman for pubic lice since 2008, with male cases dropping by 80 percent over the past decade.

194 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:04:44pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

ICK, hang in there baby, and sell them lots of bikes or parts (whichever you make the most profit from!)

195 dragonath  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:04:50pm

Hey look- Pennsylvania just privatized their lottery

British firm wins Pennsylvania Lottery management

USA USA USA

196 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:05:44pm

re: #193 Kragar

That’s NOT a tragedy….

197 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:06:04pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

I don’t have that luxury. People see a bike shop and say to themselves, “Oh, look. A bike shop. I think I’ll go in there and ask what they think about this whole Lance thing. And while I’m at it, I’ll tell them about the Schwinn I had in 1970.”

I used to be able to average 22 MPH. Top speed was about 57 MPH. I could spin at 300 RPMs.

198 Joanne  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:07:12pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

HOPPY BIRFDAY TOO UUU!!!

199 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:14:52pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

29 AGAIN?
Image: 1132013104483.jpg

200 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:17:38pm

re: #199 Dancing along the light of day

29 AGAIN?
Image: 1132013104483.jpg

That’s a good one!

201 JAFO  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:25:19pm

re: #193 Kragar

And now, a gripping tale about a species driven almost to extinction:

Study: ‘Brazilian’ bikini waxing contributing to extinction of pubic lice

That’s what I call win - win.

202 wrenchwench  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:25:56pm

Later, lizards.

203 Gus  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:31:42pm

People are all going crazy while I eat my cheese and peanut butter crackers.

204 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:33:08pm

Debunking the denial: 16 years of no global warming.
Phil hits another Home run.
[Link: www.slate.com…]

205 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 10:55:45pm

Tonight’s 40k trivia

Alpha Legion

The Alpha Legion is the Chaos Space Marine Traitor Legion about whom the least is known. The Alpha Legion was once the XX Legion of Astartes created during the First Founding by the Emperor of Mankind to carry out his Great Crusade to reunite all of humanity in a new Golden Age under his rule. They are experts in infiltration and their armies contain many Chaos Cultists in addition to regular Chaos Space Marines. The Alpha Legion’s Primarch was named Alpharius, who was actually one of the identical twin Primarchs Alpharius Omegon, two brilliant and secretive sons of the Emperor, one of whom was reportedly later killed after end of the Horus Heresy by Roboute Guilliman, the Primarch of the Ultramarines. Despite its seeming allegiance to Chaos, a closer scrutiny of the Alpha Legion’s known history indicates that their seeming service to Chaos Undivided might actually be the greatest deception they have played upon the Imperium.

206 Kragar  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:12:11pm

Troubling number of women denied constitutional rights based on pregnancy

Hundreds of women have been arrested, convicted, jailed, detained in mental institutions or forced to endure medical procedures as a result of the “criminalisation of pregnancy” over the last four decades, a new report has found.

In the first study of its kind, to be published on Tuesday, researchers from the National Advocates for Pregnant Women (NAPW) identified 413 criminal and civil cases across 44 states involving the arrests, detentions and equivalent deprivations of pregnant women’s liberty between 1973 and 2005. NAWP said that it is aware of a further 250 cases since 2005. Both figures are likely to be underestimates, it said.

The report, which will appear in the Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, found that women were denied a wide range of basic human rights, including the right to life, liberty, equal protection and due process of law “based solely on their pregnancy status”.

207 CuriousLurker  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:30:54pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

It are my birfday for 1.5 moar hrs. Pls to send lolcats.

[HAz invisible bike alreddy, thx.]

CL haz sended 1 in advanss Thx.

Image: fuckyouiamcat.png

HAPPY BIRFDAY!!

208 dragonath  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:38:57pm

Wow, I was digging through some of the information on the PA lottery privatization, and it is unbelievably crooked. Evidentially Corbett is trying to force this through in this lame duck period (the Democrats swept the state wide races) before the new State Treasurer comes in. Long comment ahead.

First off, the Governor bypassed the state legislature.

Because of the confidentiality promises embedded in the state’s procurement process, many of the details the administration has negotiated with Camelot have been kept under wraps.

An administration official said the notice of contract award will allow more of those details to emerge at Monday’s hearing.

That’s right, the state effectively barred public debate before the contract was even awarded. And the first public comments given by the company about this deal were made yesterday. In short- the contract was signed the 11th. The “public hearing” was on the 14th.

Camelot is the only private firm to bid…

Not only was it non-competitive, it’s an incredibly bad deal.

Camelot Global Services, the British national lottery operator, is poised to take over management of the Pennsylvania Lottery after Gov. Tom Corbett’s administration said Friday that it had awarded a contract to the company in a deal that pledges $34 billion in profits to the state over the next 20 years. Pennsylvania, whose lottery is among the country’s largest with $3.5 billion in sales last year, is on track to become the third state, after Indiana and Illinois, to hire a private lottery manager.

Let’s see… $3.5 Billion x 20 = 70 Billion. And under the deal…

Camelot can win contract extensions of up to 10 years if it meets certain performance benchmarks…

Which is pretty much a guarantee- giving perpetual control of the lottery system to a private, foreign entity and instituting performance based kickbacks that the state would not have been obligated to give if the lottery were to stay publicly run.

Fucking. Corrupt.

The company is already floating grand plans to expand gambling in the state.

“ I’ll say again it’s a service management contract. We are not privatizing the lottery. Under federal law the commonwealth maintains all control over the Pennsylvania lottery,” says Pete Tartline, Executive Deputy Secretary, Governor’s Office of the Budget.

Expect to hear the term “service management contract” more from Republicans in the future. It should be noted that gambling regulations are far more stringent in the United Kingdom.

209 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:56:12pm

I’m no bicycling fan, but didn’t Lance Armstrong have cancer and chemotherapy, and instead of coming back all frail and ready to blow away in a mild wind, he ended up with like the best lung capacity and heart and everything.

We should forget the stupid shit about fair competition and find out how he “doped” and give his regiment to every cancer patient who can tolerate it.

210 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:56:20pm
211 stabby  Mon, Jan 14, 2013 11:57:08pm

oops wrong video >.>

212 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:08:20am

re: #209 stabby

We should forget the stupid shit about fair competition and find out how he “doped” and give his regiment to every cancer patient who can tolerate it.

Yeah, let’s replicate a process that a millionaire con-man bicyclist used, apply it to cancer patients, and assuming they survive, hope they don’t keel over from liver damage in the future.

Doctors already use steroid applications on cancer patients, judiciously, of course.

213 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:15:38am

re: #212 dragonath

Liver damage from chemo pretty much killed a friend of mine. If lance could do both he’s on to something.

214 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:21:27am

re: #213 stabby

Liver damage from chemo pretty much killed a friend of mine. If lance could do both he’s on to something.

Not every person is the same.
For example, chemo saved a my friend’s life. And extended the life of my grandfather.
Another friend, however, died very fast from his cancer despite the efforts of medicine.

215 dragonath  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:31:59am

BTW, Lance was treated at Indiana University, by a doctor named Lawrence Einhorn. There is no real panacea for cancer, unfortunately.

216 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:32:51am

Yeah I know his problem was that he waited a bit too long and they gave him chemo that was too intense

My mom tried to convince the doctors not to do that. :/

She knew his health was already weak before the cancer.

217 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:02am

There’s nothing as sad as watching a friend die. Some deaths aren’t comfortable or dignified.

218 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:43am

I refuse to describe his. I wish I could forget it.

219 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:49:43am

I seem to recall reading about a time when doping with cocaine and pastisse was SOP for cyclists, nobody expected them to be able to perform such athletic feats without some sort of performance enhancers.

220 freetoken  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:42:50am

A little Liadov:

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:17:15am

One whole lotta Liadov

222 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:36:03am

I’m late to the party and I had a whole long post written up about my feelings on the revelations from Lance…but I’ve thought better of it and deleted it all. I’ll simply say at this point that the man may have lost all his titles and is now likely to be shorn of his ill-gotten fortunes, but he’s secured himself a spot in the halls of disgraced athletes. I very much doubt anyone expected to see him there one day…except perhaps himself.

223 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:51:01am

Good morning, weirdos.

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 3:53:24am

Why do we come to expect superhuman performance from mere humans? And not just from athletes, we expect mothers to manage a career and raise a family, we expect communications media to allow us instantaneous transfer of any and all forms of information while allowing us to retain control of confidentiality and security, we expect our young women to be vivacious sex bombs but remain virginally pure until marriage…

No wonder we are breeding a neurotic society.

225 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:03:05am

re: #224 Sol Berdinowitz

Why do we come to expect superhuman performance from mere humans? And not just from athletes, we expect mothers to manage a career and raise a family, we expect communications media to allow us instantaneous transfer of any and all forms of information while allowing us to retain control of confidentiality and security, we expect our young women to be vivacious sex bombs but remain virginally pure until marriage…

No wonder we are breeding a neurotic society.

In some ways, I think it’s because we like to think we’re better than the ones who came before us, such that we expect better performance from every succeeding generation. If we ever acknowledged a peak in human performance, in human endeavor, it might make us question how we overcome that peak and still maintain some measure of “sportsmanship.”

226 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:14:08am
227 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:25:51am

re: #225 Targetpractice

In some ways, I think it’s because we like to think we’re better than the ones who came before us, such that we expect better performance from every succeeding generation. If we ever acknowledged a peak in human performance, in human endeavor, it might make us question how we overcome that peak and still maintain some measure of “sportsmanship.”

Yes, and we expect an ever-increasing standard of living, based, however, not on quality of life but by level of income.

228 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:26:52am
229 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:35:47am

re: #203 Gus

People are all going crazy while I eat my cheese and peanut butter crackers.

Is that cheese on peanut butter crackers, or cheese and peanut butter on plain crackers? I can never tell.
;)

230 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:39:31am

Guess Brewer’s not looking to run for reelection:

Arizona Gov. Brewer Opts For ‘Obamacare’ Medicaid Expansion

231 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:44:03am

Hmm. MSNBC and IE8 not playing well. That’s one thing from the company keeping a browser that is essentially obsolete in dealing with a lot of pages.

232 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:46:11am

This stupid hoax from 2008 making the rounds on Twitter this morning.

233 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:47:48am

I’m not seeing as many fake Jefferson quotes. Now they are very big into Goethe quotes.

234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 4:52:16am

Rand Paul’s son charged with assaulting a flight attendant

The grandson of former presidential candidate Ron Paul and son of U.S. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is charged with assaulting a flight attendant during a U.S. Airways flight from Lexington, Ky., to Charlotte last weekend.

William Paul, 19, was arrested Jan. 5 at Charlotte-Douglas International Airport after his flight landed. The Bowling Green, Ky., resident, also was charged with consuming beer/wine underage, disorderly conduct and being intoxicated and disruptive.

Initial news reports last week did not cite the assault charge, but it is unclear why that charge was not reported at the time.

The misdemeanor assault on a female by aggressive physical force charge was confirmed by Charlotte-Mecklenburg police Saturday.

235 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:01:08am

re: #234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Rand Paul’s son charged with assaulting a flight attendant

If this young man was not Paul offspring would it have gotten reporting beyond a possible 2-3 lines (if that) on a passenger being taken off a flight and arrested about being drunken and unruly?

Though if they’d duct-taped him into his seat there probably would have been an additional link or photograph.

236 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:20:16am

MASSIVE FAIL

237 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:27:46am

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

MASSIVE FAIL

[Embedded content]

So Chrysler’s going to be building Jeeps in China and Russia for local consumption…and these nutters are convinced that that’s sending American jobs overseas. Oy.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:29:26am

It’s like their minds are six months behind current events. Stuff from the Romney campaign being put forth now, and about April 15th or so they will suddenly realize that Obama was re-elected.

239 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 5:58:00am

linux guru now going through the latest aiglebot thread and rage-dinging everyone who doesn’t like autobot posting.

240 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:01:07am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

linux guru now going through the latest aiglebot thread and rage-dinging everyone who doesn’t like autobot posting.

That’ll teach ‘em.

241 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:01:32am

There is one of of those memes that perpetually goes around and around. One my fb this morning is a “survey” asking if children should recite the Pledge of Allegiance in school every day.

I feel like countering with a “survey” asking if every child should be helped to read in school every day.

How is your morning?

242 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:01:44am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

linux guru now going through the latest aiglebot thread and rage-dinging everyone who doesn’t like autobot posting.

I have some autobot calling my cellphone every day between 1:30 and 1:40pm about a credit card account. No idea what account it is talking about, and I am not going to call the number back either.

I half-suspect it’s a wrong number situation. I had a bank leaving messages on my answering machine constantly about loan paperwork put in by somebody I had never heard of. Finally called them back and told them they were calling the wrong number. And they were pissed (and essentially accused me of lying to them) since apparently there were some fees or something owed at that point.

243 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:02:57am

re: #239 Vicious Babushka

linux guru now going through the latest aiglebot thread and rage-dinging everyone who doesn’t like autobot posting.

I googled aiglebot and got a referral to Aigle Boots.

244 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:03:49am

re: #242 Feline Fearless Leader

I have some autobot calling my cellphone every day between 1:30 and 1:40pm about a credit card account. No idea what account it is talking about, and I am not going to call the number back either.

I half-suspect it’s a wrong number situation. I had a bank leaving messages on my answering machine constantly about loan paperwork put in by somebody I had never heard of. Finally called them back and told them they were calling the wrong number. And they were pissed (and essentially accused me of lying to them) since apparently there were some fees or something owed at that point.

It seems to be a meme. google the number.

I was getting the same thing a week or so ago.

245 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:05:15am

re: #235 Feline Fearless Leader

If this young man was not Paul offspring would it have gotten reporting beyond a possible 2-3 lines (if that) on a passenger being taken off a flight and arrested about being drunken and unruly?

Though if they’d duct-taped him into his seat there probably would have been an additional link or photograph.

William Hilton Paul?

246 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:07:19am

re: #244 FemNaziBitch

It seems to be a meme. google the number.

I was getting the same thing a week or so ago.

Get that every once in a while—They are trying a concern-based social engineering ploy: “We have identified an issue with your account”. When they get to the scripted “There is nothing wrong at this time but..” It’s the sign to hang up.

247 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:10:27am

FYI:

It is finally winter in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

It is 12 degrees and their is frost on the ground.

Grass went crunch when dogs walked on it.

Of course next week, it could be different.

248 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:10:46am

DERP OF THE DAY

Totally missing the point as usual: does not mention the alternative of a theater filled with a bunch of gun nuts all with loaded firearms, shooting at the “crazed gunman” only now you have a whole bunch of crazed gunmen IN A DARKENED THEATER.

BREATHTAKING FAIL.

249 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:12:50am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY

[Embedded content]

Totally missing the point as usual: does not mention the alternative of a theater filled with a bunch of gun nuts all with loaded firearms, shooting at the “crazed gunman” only now you have a whole bunch of crazed gunmen IN A DARKENED THEATER.

BREATHTAKING FAIL.

That’s why any Proper Prepper Patriot always takes their 3rd generation night vision optics to the theatre.

250 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:13:38am

re: #244 FemNaziBitch

It seems to be a meme. google the number.

I was getting the same thing a week or so ago.

Google indicates it’s a telemarketer number owned by a certain bank I will not mention.

251 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:14:19am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY

[Embedded content]

Totally missing the point as usual: does not mention the alternative of a theater filled with a bunch of gun nuts all with loaded firearms, shooting at the “crazed gunman” only now you have a whole bunch of crazed gunmen IN A DARKENED THEATER.

BREATHTAKING FAIL.

Short of Heller being overturned in the near future, there will be no total ban on guns. Even in a scenario where Democrats dominated the Congress long enough to pass such a total ban, and they had an “anti-gun” president to sign the bill, the Supreme Court would be quick to put an injunction on the law until such time as it could rule it unconstitutional.

If this country ever got that point, then an armed populace would not be any sort of check on government overreach.

252 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:15:15am

re: #206 Kragar

Troubling number of women denied constitutional rights based on pregnancy

It found that low-income women and African American women were more likely to be deprived of their liberty. The largest percentage of cases of the 413 – 56% – came from the southern states, followed by 22% in the midwest.

253 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:16:57am
254 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:18:57am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY

[Embedded content]

Totally missing the point as usual: does not mention the alternative of a theater filled with a bunch of gun nuts all with loaded firearms, shooting at the “crazed gunman” only now you have a whole bunch of crazed gunmen IN A DARKENED THEATER.

BREATHTAKING FAIL.

Yeah, I began the countdown as soon as the POTUS said yesterday: “I will do what I can legally do by Executive Action” (paraphrase)

5.4.3.2.1 —“OBAMA WILL TAKE OUR GUNS BY EXECUTIVE ORDER”

255 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:20:06am

re: #253 FemNaziBitch

Is Kilgore around?

Boy did the proxy server here at work not like that link. :-/

256 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:21:36am

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I began the countdown as soon as the POTUS said yesterday: “I will do what I can legally do by Executive Action” (paraphrase)

5.4.3.2.1 —“OBAMA WILL TAKE OUR GUNS BY EXECUTIVE ORDER”

The Twitnutwits all think that it is already happening.

257 Danack  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:22:58am

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s pretty clear that Armstrong would never have admitted to doping if he didn’t have a really strong incentive to get ahead of something worse.

Armstrong had hoped to have a career as a trainer. This is not possible as his lifetime ban from sport includes acting as a trainer.

Part of the reason why he is ‘confessing’ is he hopes to have his ban lifted:

The report cited anonymous sources and said Armstrong was considering a confession to help restore his athletic career in triathlons and running events at age 41. Armstrong has been banned for life from competing in sporting events governed by the World Anti-Doping Agency code.


The WADA code provides for reduced penalties in instances in which athletes provide “substantial assistance” in resolving other doping cases.

Seeing as he is probably going to be made bankrupt by all the court-cases against him, being able to earn some income is a higher priority for him now than trying to protect his image.

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:24:49am

re: #254 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I began the countdown as soon as the POTUS said yesterday: “I will do what I can legally do by Executive Action” (paraphrase)

5.4.3.2.1 —“OBAMA WILL TAKE OUR GUNS BY EXECUTIVE ORDER”

259 Chrysicat  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:26:48am

Since it looks like this is the Overnight Thread, and I don’t feel comfortable Paging it, I’ll just leave the latest rightie conspiracy theory here…

Ugh. I need a shower now.

260 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:31:10am

Da fuq??

261 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:31:50am

re: #251 Targetpractice

Short of Heller being overturned in the near future, there will be no total ban on guns. Even in a scenario where Democrats dominated the Congress long enough to pass such a total ban, and they had an “anti-gun” president to sign the bill, the Supreme Court would be quick to put an injunction on the law until such time as it could rule it unconstitutional.

If this country ever got that point, then an armed populace would not be any sort of check on government overreach.

Realistically, look for a return to the AWB, perhaps with the gun-show loophole closed and ‘bullet button’ provisions. Anything else will run into the Supreme Court. To do anything else means Senate confirmation of 2-3 liberal justices or multi-generational change to the 2A. I don’t want to see the President blow his 2nd term tilting at this windmill. There are a lot of doable things that need to be done.

262 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:34:46am

Mornin’ everyone.

And congratulations, asshole.

263 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:34:53am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The NYS State Senate passed their gun control/mental health comprehensive bill yesterday, and the Assembly is set to pass it today. Gov. Cuomo will probably sign before the end of the week (there’s a 3-day waiting period unless a message of necessity is attached).

So, what does the bill include? The bill summary holds the key.

Ammunition limits:
The bill will cap magazine/clip size at 10 - anything more is illegal regardless of date of manufacture. Going forward, max clip/magazine size is 7. A mechanism is going to be put in place to identify high volume purchasers of ammo and these buyers will have to be run through the NICS database. The bill requires that any seller—whether located in New York or out of state-ship the ammunition to a dealer within New York for in-person
pick-up.

Licensing:
While the existing law granted non-expiring licenses, the new law will require relicensing every five years. Failure to recertify means revocation of the license.

Kendra’s Law:
Well, it extends Kendra’s Law through 2017 (granting judges the authority to issue orders that require people who meet certain criteria to regularly undergo psychiatric treatment and that failure to comply could result in commitment for up to 72 hours - such persons are not forced to take meds though).

Gun sales/transfers:
Background checks must be completed for all gun sales, except for immediate family. Private sellers may transfer a gun only if the buyer has obtained a federal “NICS” check. Further, dealers must maintain records of private sale background checks, and private sellers may charge a fee of up to $10 on a transaction. Transfers between immediate family members will be exempt from the requirements of this section.

Storage:
For persons who live with those who are not allowed to own firearms, there’s a new requirement for the lawful owner to safely secure those weapons (gun lock/safe).

Mental health:

Persons who are mentally ill and dangerous cannot retain or obtain a firearm. First, mental health records that are currently sent to NIDCS for a federal background check will also be housed in a New York State
database. The law will require mental health professionals, in the exercise of reasonable professional judgment, to report if an individual they are treating is likely to engage in conduct that will cause serious harm to him- or herself or others. A good faith decision about whether to report will not be a basis for any criminal or civil liability. When a Section 9.46 report is made, the Division of Criminal Justice Services will determine whether the person possesses a firearms license and, if so, will notify the appropriate local licensing official, who must suspend the license. The person’s firearms will then be removed.

Criminal penalties:
Criminal penalties are added or increased across a range of crimes, including straw purchases, increased penalties for firearms on school buses and school properties.

School safety:
The state will increase reimbursement to school districts seeking building safety upgrades (think bullet resistant glass, secured entry areas, etc.)

264 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:39:02am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Then again, even Scalia opined that Heller doesn’t preclude reasonable gun restrictions. The question is therefore what is considered reasonable gun restriction.

Prohibiting a specific class of firearms might be reasonable if the overall right to bear arms isn’t impinged. You can ban certain high capacity ammo holders (clips/magazines), and that doesn’t prevent a person from owning firearms.

You could conceivably require periodic registration of the firearms or licensing renewals, and that conforms to “reasonable gun restrictions”.

Banning an entire class of weapons using language that is suspect wouldn’t pass muster. And therein lies the problem - how to describe weapons that are permissible or impermissible without creating significant loopholes or would violate the 2d.

265 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:39:13am

re: #263 lawhawk

It’s a false-flag bill since it’s not seizing all the guns!

266 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:39:57am

So far, nobody’s put limits on the sale of china dolls. Part of the way they get men to go to these gun shows is by adding “& Doll” to the name of the show - “Gun & Doll Show” - then the women who collect dolls drag their husbands along and they entertain themselves stroking each other’s barrels while the ladies do the serious bargaining.

267 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:42:16am

re: #266 darthstar

So far, nobody’s put limits on the sale of china dolls. Part of the way they get men to go to these gun shows is by adding “& Doll” to the name of the show - “Gun & Doll Show” - then the women who collect dolls drag their husbands along and they entertain themselves stroking each other’s barrels while the ladies do the serious bargaining.

Didn’t “Guns and Dolls” feature Sinatra and Brando?
/

268 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:42:24am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Realistically, look for a return to the AWB, perhaps with the gun-show loophole closed and ‘bullet button’ provisions. Anything else will run into the Supreme Court. To do anything else means Senate confirmation of 2-3 liberal justices or multi-generational change to the 2A. I don’t want to see the President blow his 2nd term tilting at this windmill. There are a lot of doable things that need to be done.

And even this much would require flipping the house in 2014. Let’s just say the odds are against that one…

269 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:42:41am

re: #263 lawhawk

So even the ten round “brady bill” magazines are to be retroactively illegal?
Isn’t that kinda dicey in legal terms?

270 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:43:49am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

Da fuq??

[Embedded content]

Fischer understands monetary policy about as well as he understands evolutionary biology and climate science.

271 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:43:50am

re: #263 lawhawk

A lot of good common sense provisions IMHO. Certainly it could go further in my mind but it takes some important steps. I particularly like the re-licensing provision. But it may also be a cause for concern. Gun owners may avoid seeking mental health care if they believe it may result in them losing their license. A bit of a conundrum I would say.

272 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:43:55am

Wingnuts boycotting Walmart!


Good luck finding a local, conservative-run small business that Walmart didn’t force out.

273 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:44:21am

re: #270 Ian G.

Fischer understands monetary policy about as well as he understands evolutionary biology and climate science just about anything.

274 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:44:41am

re: #264 lawhawk

Then again, even Scalia opined that Heller doesn’t preclude reasonable gun restrictions. The question is therefore what is considered reasonable gun restriction.

Prohibiting a specific class of firearms might be reasonable if the overall right to bear arms isn’t impinged. You can ban certain high capacity ammo holders (clips/magazines), and that doesn’t prevent a person from owning firearms.

You could conceivably require periodic registration of the firearms or licensing renewals, and that conforms to “reasonable gun restrictions”.

Banning an entire class of weapons using language that is suspect wouldn’t pass muster. And therein lies the problem - how to describe weapons that are permissible or impermissible without creating significant loopholes or would violate the 2d.

Even with the string of atrocities, the will isn’t there. Gallup a few days ago found that the public acceptance of increased legal control had ‘spiked’, all the way to 38%. In much of the country crossing the gunfondlers is political suicide.

275 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:45:21am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I saw that.

They sure do know alot, as the Biden recommendations haven’t come down yet.

They must have a crystal ball.

(or think they a couple little ones:)

276 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:46:49am

re: #269 Political Atheist

So even the ten round “brady bill” magazines are to be retroactively illegal?
Isn’t that kinda dicey in legal terms?

I wonder if that wasn’t put in there with a server-ability clause to allow the gun nuts to get it thrown out so they can claim a partial victory. Thus the NRA can squeal they tried while otherwise fairly reasonable restrictions move forward.

277 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:47:22am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts boycotting Walmart!

[Embedded content]


Good luck finding a local, conservative-run small business that Walmart didn’t force out.

They’re only boycotting their cheap ammunition. The 30 packs of Bud Light and the barrels of cheese puffs are still a necessary staple in their diets.

278 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:47:25am

re: #262 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

And congratulations, asshole.

5.4.3.2.1 —“Hitler, Stalin, Communism, Socialism, 11ty!!!!!”

Pretend the part in “‘s is in Purple Comic Sans.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:48:43am

*FACE PALM*

280 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:48:43am

re: #260 Vicious Babushka

Fischer: “Hey, I am a religious zealot. Hey, so was Osama bin Laden. How’d that work out.”

see how that works? Its fun.

281 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:49:30am

re: #271 Petero1818

A lot of good common sense provisions IMHO. Certainly it could go further in my mind but it takes some important steps. I particularly like the re-licensing provision. But it may also be a cause for concern. Gun owners may avoid seeking mental health care if they believe it may result in them losing their license. A bit of a conundrum I would say.

It’s a big issue. ONly adds to the stigma of mental health treatment.

Personally, I’d rather a person seeking treatment (depending on the disorder, of course) have firearms than one that needs it but won’t get it.

282 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:50:15am

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

5.4.3.2.1 —“Hitler, Stalin, Communism, Socialism, 11ty!!!!!”

Pretend the part in “‘s is in Purple Comic Sans.

I’m just surprised a red state would pull a guy’s gun permit for saying such stupid shit. I would have done it for his shaved head and mini-ZZ Top goatee.

283 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:51:54am

re: #263 lawhawk

Oi, this is going to drive members of my family fucking insane here in NY. I’m throwing my cell in the GSB and locking my doors to prepare for the epic bitching about this.

284 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:52:25am

re: #282 darthstar

I’m just surprised a red state would pull a guy’s gun permit for saying such stupid shit. I would have done it for his shaved head and mini-ZZ Top goatee.

State Police are hard-core about this shit, even in red states.

Even the gun-nuts I know don’t go for that shit.

285 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:53:12am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

State Police are hard-core about this shit, even in red states.

Even the gun-nuts I know don’t go for that shit.

The 2nd Amendment is not a license to kill.

286 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:55:24am

re: #274 Decatur Deb

Even with the string of atrocities, the will isn’t there. Gallup a few days ago found that the public acceptance of increased legal control had ‘spiked’, all the way to 38%. In much of the country crossing the gunfondlers is political suicide.

Eh? Define “legal control.” Because I saw two polls this morning that contradict Gallup.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:56:17am

Good morning lizards!

That’s too bad about Lance Armstrong. All the wins he was able to do in the Tour de France was spectacular but now that he’s finally admitting that he cheated the whole time after lying about it is such a damn shame.

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:56:26am

Did you know that there is the Myth of the Once-Celled Embryo?

This one actually stunned-me. Truly stunned.

Does anyone in politics respect basic biology anymore?

289 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:56:38am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

State Police are hard-core about this shit, even in red states.

Even the gun-nuts I know don’t go for that shit.

As typical with any group, the hardcore fringes are usually despised by the usually large bloc of more moderate believers. This guy is obviously off the reservation, guns or not.

290 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:56:50am

Kudos to NY State for enacting legislation in record time.

Listening to the radio last night, it appears even the Republicans in the state are on board. They either see the value in getting these regs signed into law, or the peril in trying to stop them. Either way, it’s a win.

291 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:57:15am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

That’s too bad about Lance Armstrong. All the wins he was able to do in the Tour de France was spectacular but now that he’s finally admitting that he cheated the whole time after lying about it is such a damn shame.

Frankly, it’s more than a damn shame.

I’d rather we never hear his name again. He’s earned no less.

292 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:57:17am

*facepalm*

293 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:57:44am

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

State Police are hard-core about this shit, even in red states.

Even the gun-nuts I know don’t go for that shit.

Yeah…I was just being snarky. But I am loving the irony of a “firearms training company CEO” losing his permit.

Today, we’ll be learning gun safety with these wooden models. Now remember, a gun is always loaded…

294 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:58:27am

I have to come out strongly against polyamory here.

Image: offTt.jpg

295 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:58:28am

re: #290 makeitstop

Not yet enacted. It’s going to pass the Assembly today, and it should be signed by Gov. Cuomo by the end of the week. I’m almost expecting the NRA to sue for injunctive relief against the ammo and mental health provisions within hours of passage though. We’ll see.

296 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:59:16am

re: #295 lawhawk

Not yet enacted. It’s going to pass the Assembly today, and it should be signed by Gov. Cuomo by the end of the week. I’m almost expecting the NRA to sue for injunctive relief against the ammo and mental health provisions within hours of passage though. We’ll see.

I think NAMI might weigh in on the mental health part as well.

297 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:59:32am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

That’s too bad about Lance Armstrong. All the wins he was able to do in the Tour de France was spectacular but now that he’s finally admitting that he cheated the whole time after lying about it is such a damn shame.

He can get pissed on for all I care. It’s bicycling for shit’s sake. I do applaud him for his battle with cancer and subsequent work in the area, but he shit on a lot of people to hide his obvious lies, and he deserves whatever comeuppance he gets.

298 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 6:59:35am

Wait, I thought wingnuts are all about boycotting Walmart over not restocking ammo fast enough?

299 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:00:14am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Eh? Define “legal control.” Because I saw two polls this morning that contradict Gallup.

Internals should be here:

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

Remember the pre-election polls showed Gallup might have done something to screw up their sample selection.

300 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:00:35am

re: #295 lawhawk

Not yet enacted. It’s going to pass the Assembly today, and it should be signed by Gov. Cuomo by the end of the week. I’m almost expecting the NRA to sue for injunctive relief against the ammo and mental health provisions within hours of passage though. We’ll see.

Understood. Still have to applaud the state acting with dispatch, though.

301 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:01:33am

re: #289 Ghost of Tom Joad

As typical with any group, the hardcore fringes are usually despised by the usually large bloc of more moderate believers. This guy is obviously off the reservation, guns or not.

If we’re talking about Yeager, Freep is of mixed opinion.

302 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:02:22am

re: #286 Targetpractice

Eh? Define “legal control.” Because I saw two polls this morning that contradict Gallup.

Todd Aiken on legal control

“Guns that do not want to be confiscated cannot be seized because they emit projectiles that prevent them from being taken away…”

303 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:02:32am
304 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:02:34am

re: #269 Political Atheist

So even the ten round “brady bill” magazines are to be retroactively illegal?
Isn’t that kinda dicey in legal terms?

I thought it said that seven was the limit going forward and that anything over ten was retroactively illegal while older magazines of ten (or less) remain legal.

305 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:02:42am

re: #287 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

That’s too bad about Lance Armstrong. All the wins he was able to do in the Tour de France was spectacular but now that he’s finally admitting that he cheated the whole time after lying about it is such a damn shame.

Actually, so many riders dope I don’t consider it cheating…but it did look odd after the mountains in the Tour de France last time when he spent the night on his bicycle at the starting line for the next day shouting, “C’mon, c’mon, c’mon everybody! Let’s ride!”

306 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:03:06am

On my fb:

Isn’t it odd that Obama give guns to Mexican drug cartels but he wants to take them away from law-abiding Americans?

oy

307 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:04:03am

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

Kendra’s Law was enacted with NAMI support so I think that they’ll probably be behind the strengthening of the mental health law in that respect. Reducing the access to firearms would also reduce the chances that someone who may be suicidal is able to carry through on those thoughts/beliefs/actions.

308 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:04:25am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

DERP OF THE DAY

[Embedded content]

Totally missing the point as usual: does not mention the alternative of a theater filled with a bunch of gun nuts all with loaded firearms, shooting at the “crazed gunman” only now you have a whole bunch of crazed gunmen IN A DARKENED THEATER.

BREATHTAKING FAIL.

Once again we come back to the basic failure to grasp any sort of reality. These nutcases just don’t get it. If the United States government really was tyrannical? Your pathetic little handguns and hunting rifles would not save you. They’d shove a tank or a drone so far up your ass you’d forget how to even hold them.

It is a uniquely American position to be whining and complaining about ‘tyranny’ while having absolutely zero fucking clue what actual tyranny looks like.

309 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:04:33am

re: #307 lawhawk

Kendra’s Law was enacted with NAMI support so I think that they’ll probably be behind the strengthening of the mental health law in that respect. Reducing the access to firearms would also reduce the chances that someone who may be suicidal is able to carry through on those thoughts/beliefs/actions.

ah!

310 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:04:42am

re: #297 Ghost of Tom Joad

He can get pissed on for all I care. It’s bicycling for shit’s sake. I do applaud him for his battle with cancer and subsequent work in the area, but he shit on a lot of people to hide his obvious lies, and he deserves whatever comeuppance he gets.

All it’s going to take is for Oprah to say he’s all forgiven and a lot of people will just go with it.

311 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:05:02am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

If we’re talking about Yeager, Freep is of mixed opinion.

Freep? I’m not talking about a bunch of unhinged delinquents with internet connections. I mean gun people in general. They’re hardcore about their guns and everything that goes with it, but when a supposed member of that group starts threatening to kill people, he’s essentially voted off the island as a fringe lunatic.

312 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:06:08am

re: #311 Ghost of Tom Joad

Freep? I’m not talking about a bunch of unhinged delinquents with internet connections. I mean gun people in general. They’re hardcore about their guns and everything that goes with it, but when a supposed member of that group starts threatening to kill people, he’s essentially voted off the island as a fringe lunatic.

And they take steps to get his guns away from him.

Shit is taken seriously.

313 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:06:44am

re: #311 Ghost of Tom Joad

Freep? I’m not talking about a bunch of unhinged delinquents with internet connections. I mean gun people in general. They’re hardcore about their guns and everything that goes with it, but when a supposed member of that group starts threatening to kill people, he’s essentially voted off the island as a fringe lunatic.

I watch a list of sites LW—RW. (Stormfront doesn’t even make the cut.) Freep is about 1/3 the way up from the bottom.

314 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:07:03am

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

On my fb:

oy

Mexican drug cartels obtain guns so easily because of the pathetic lack of regulation in the US. Similar situation in Canada:

315 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:07:48am

re: #314 Interesting Times

Mexican drug cartels obtain guns so easily because of the pathetic lack of regulation in the US. Similar situation in Canada:

[Embedded content]

They are referring to Fast and Furious. The Issa Cult will not be ignored!!!

316 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:08:20am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

All it’s going to take is for Oprah to say he’s all forgiven and a lot of people will just go with it.

Except that according to articles this morning, Oprah found him a little less than forthcoming. I think she feels he tried to manage this press release a little too much. She prefers crying and big TV moments and what she got was canned statements prepared by his lawyers. Does not sound like she is endorsing the apology.

317 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:08:29am

Just mention “Executive Orders” and it’s already as good as done.

318 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:08:30am

re: #306 FemNaziBitch

On my fb:

oy

I guess I’m lucky that my FB social circle doesn’t have many people like this. One knucklehead who is (natch) a public school teacher constantly recycles tropes about the “47%”. I’d remind him that his entire livelihood is based on government spending, but I don’t want to bother with it.

319 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:09:19am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

Just mention “Executive Orders” and it’s already as good as done.

[Embedded content]

Hey when did the Pres get that cool uniform////

320 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:09:29am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Internals should be here:

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

Remember the pre-election polls showed Gallup might have done something to screw up their sample selection.

Wouldn’t trust Gallup these days to poll folks on which direction the sun rises. Meanwhile, Washington Post and ABC has support for an assault weapons ban at 58%:

Poll: Broad Support For New Gun Restrictions After Newtown

And Pew’s got it at 55%:

Pew: Majority Support For Bans On Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Clips

Perhaps it’s a difference in questioning whether they support current laws versus proposed ones, but it certainly seems like there’s momentum behind new laws going forward.

321 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:09:31am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

Just mention “Executive Orders” and it’s already as good as done.

[Embedded content]

Yes, lots of something similars have been on my fb this am.

Sure sells gunz.

322 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:10:23am

re: #314 Interesting Times

Mexican drug cartels obtain guns so easily because of the pathetic lack of regulation in the US. Similar situation in Canada:

Reminds me of when I lived near D.C. The District had some fairly strict laws, but someone did some research and basically found out that most of the guns were being purchased with relative ease in Virginia and other points and brought in.

Unless we start putting up a lot of internal barriers the issue is a national one and not a state one.

323 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:11:15am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

He deserves a little mockery…I supplied it.

324 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:11:35am
325 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:11:57am

re: #317 Vicious Babushka

Just mention “Executive Orders” and it’s already as good as done.

[Embedded content]

Would have been a good photochop except they didn’t think to color the guy’s wrist. /Derp

326 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:12:21am

re: #318 Ian G.

I guess I’m lucky that my FB social circle doesn’t have many people like this. One knucklehead who is (natch) a public school teacher constantly recycles tropes about the “47%”. I’d remind him that his entire livelihood is based on government spending, but I don’t want to bother with it.

I friend all flavors of humans.

327 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:12:54am

re: #320 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t trust Gallup these days to poll folks on which direction the sun rises. Meanwhile, Washington Post and ABC has support for an assault weapons ban at 58%:

Poll: Broad Support For New Gun Restrictions After Newtown

And Pew’s got it at 55%:

Pew: Majority Support For Bans On Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Clips

Perhaps it’s a difference in questioning whether they support current laws versus proposed ones, but it certainly seems like there’s momentum behind new laws going forward.

Even 55%, the way representation is distributed, would not move the ball.
The movement to bring changes to gun laws is not even in the ‘lunch counter sit-in’ phase yet.

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:13:02am

re: #320 Targetpractice

Wouldn’t trust Gallup these days to poll folks on which direction the sun rises. Meanwhile, Washington Post and ABC has support for an assault weapons ban at 58%:

Poll: Broad Support For New Gun Restrictions After Newtown

And Pew’s got it at 55%:

Pew: Majority Support For Bans On Assault Weapons, High-Capacity Clips

Perhaps it’s a difference in questioning whether they support current laws versus proposed ones, but it certainly seems like there’s momentum behind new laws going forward.

And this is a bit like polling “generic” election candidates since it is talking generalities and not specific bills actually up for a vote and implementation as law.

329 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:14:50am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

I friend all flavors of humans.

As a rule, I limit my FB frineds to people I know from Real Life and wish to remain in actual social contact with.

Keeps a lot of crap off my site.

330 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:15:33am

re: #326 FemNaziBitch

I friend all flavors of humans.

I used to have a teabagger on my list, but she booted me because she didn’t appreciate my pointing out of GOP douchebaggery on rape. Her Randian fetishism was truly hilarious in light of the fact I first met her at a Canadian college - which she attended because our socialist education funding made even the international student fees cheaper than US domestic ones!

331 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:15:54am

WTF??? Are you shitting me? This is just not right. What are these idiots thinking?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-‘em-up app for iPhone, iPad

Exactly one month after the Newtown school massacre, the National Rifle Association has launched a free iPhone and iPad shooting game offering kids as young as 4 a chance to fire guns at coffin-shaped targets.

The free game “NRA: Practice Range” is offered on iTunes and allows would-be snipers to choose a weapon to fire at an indoor gun range, an outdoor range or for skeet shooting practice.

The free guns include a Beretta M-9 handgun, a Colt M-16 assault rifle with 15-round clip or a Mossberg 500 pump-action shotgun.

For 99 cents extra, players can “unlock” higher-capacity guns similar to one Adam Lanza used in the Sandy Hook massacre, including AK-47 assault rifles and an M-11 sniper rifles.

332 po8crg  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:15:55am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

Not excusing it, but keep in mind that everyone Lance was competing against was cheating just as much.

I read through the USADA report. If their evidence is accurate (and, yes, it’s mostly derived from his team-mates) then Armstrong was cheating more than the others - he had a far more systematic and organized approach to cheating than did (to choose another well-documented case) Festina.

333 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:16:03am

re: #327 Decatur Deb

Even 55%, the way representation is distributed, would not move the ball.
The movement to bring changes to gun laws is not even in the ‘lunch counter sit-in’ phase yet.

Note those are the numbers for an assault weapons ban. WP/ABC has 88% for universal background checks, while Pew has it at 85%. Slightly lower but similar numbers for a national registry. Even Reid acknowledged that an assault weapons ban is unlikely to pass in the House. But that does not mean all gun controls proposals are DOA.

334 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:18:29am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

WTF??? Are you shitting me? This is just not right. What are these idiots thinking?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-‘em-up app for iPhone, iPad

Astounding hypocrisy, is it not? Especially considering how much emphasis Mr. LaPierre (wtf kind of name is that for a gun-nut? /Carlin) and others of his ilk put on violent video games, media, and entertainment.

335 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:20:12am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

WTF??? Are you shitting me? This is just not right. What are these idiots thinking?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-‘em-up app for iPhone, iPad

Guns don’t kill people, violent video games ki—

Oh.

The NRA really are scum these days.

336 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:20:48am

re: #333 Targetpractice

Note those are the numbers for an assault weapons ban. WP/ABC has 88% for universal background checks, while Pew has it at 85%. Slightly lower but similar numbers for a national registry. Even Reid acknowledged that an assault weapons ban is unlikely to pass in the House. But that does not mean all gun controls proposals are DOA.

No, but it means they will be so full of holes that nothing truly effective would pass. (Not that we even have a consensus on what would work.) The next school/theatre/mall/church shooting will proceed on it’s culturally-imposed schedule.

337 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:21:10am

SICK.

338 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:21:26am

I have to be productive.

It’s been nice chatting wit’ y’all.

Have a good one.

339 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:21:56am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

WTF??? Are you shitting me? This is just not right. What are these idiots thinking?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-‘em-up app for iPhone, iPad

They are not going to change their approach because they are convinced that they are True Patriots.

The thing that has changed is the public’s peception of this sort of thing that we took for granted or grudgingly accepted as part of American life and culture.

It is now being seen for the sort of sicko sh*t that it truly is.

340 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:22:32am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

SICK.

[Embedded content]

Dan, you realize, of course, that probably includes one or more of the following: Your Mother, Your Sister, Your Aunt, Your Grandmother, Your Wife, Your Daughter.

341 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:22:47am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

SICK.

Anyone who has had an #abortion needs to register and the database needs to be made public.

Because they are a threat to embryos everywhere…

/

342 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:22:55am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

SICK.

[Embedded content]

WTF’s with the (D) in his Twitter name? Even he realizes his posts are so sick he has to do the fox news thing and make them look like they’re from the other side?

343 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:23:34am

re: #342 Interesting Times

WTF’s with the (D) in his Twitter name? Even he realizes his posts are so sick he has to do the fox news thing and make them look like they’re from the other side?

The (D) stands for Dumbass.

344 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:09am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

This is key for the NRA to remain relevant in the long term. Younger people are less and less likely to take part in gun “sports” so they need to engage them any way they can and as early as they can. But if kids can play all the various shooter games that are out there which show graphic violence and in which they shoot people, I fail to see why a game that simulates shooting at skeet and targets is worthy of a freak out. Timing is questionable. Age appropriateness of 4 years old is questionable. Motives are clear.

345 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:11am

Dogwalk. BBL

346 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:41am
347 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:24:45am

re: #336 Decatur Deb

No, but it means they will be so full of holes that nothing truly effective would pass. (Not that we even have a consensus on what would work.) The next school/theatre/mall/church shooting will proceed on it’s culturally-imposed schedule.

It’s still too early to tell, at least from where I’m sitting. One thing we can be sure of is that the NRA will fight any proposals from Biden’s taskforce tooth and nail, and with the poll numbers like presented, will only make themselves look ridiculous for fighting against items that most people think are common sense. Especially if the folks making the “pro-gun” case are absolutely bonkers and meet every suggestion with conspiracy theories about imaginary Hitler.

348 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:26:11am

re: #347 Targetpractice

It’s still too early to tell, at least from where I’m sitting. One thing we can be sure of is that the NRA will fight any proposals from Biden’s taskforce tooth and nail, and with the poll numbers like presented, will only make themselves look ridiculous for fighting against items that most people think are common sense. Especially if the folks making the “pro-gun” case are absolutely bonkers and meet every suggestion with conspiracy theories about imaginary Hitler.

You mean imaginary Hitler isn’t real?///

349 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:30:37am

re: #348 Petero1818

You mean imaginary Hitler isn’t real?///

He was. But Invisible Obama got him with a illusionary drone strike.
/

350 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:31:34am

What a real world tyranny looks like (or could look like): Pakistan. Court order arrest of Prime Minister. Military looks to hold off elections, and the power struggle/crisis could pave the way to yet another military junta taking the reins from a civilian government.

351 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:31:48am

re: #347 Targetpractice

It’s still too early to tell, at least from where I’m sitting. One thing we can be sure of is that the NRA will fight any proposals from Biden’s taskforce tooth and nail, and with the poll numbers like presented, will only make themselves look ridiculous for fighting against items that most people think are common sense. Especially if the folks making the “pro-gun” case are absolutely bonkers and meet every suggestion with conspiracy theories about imaginary Hitler.

I think that’s the strategy at this point. Nothing will ever win the NRA’s (gun manufacturers’) blessing in relation to gun control, so we’re going to see very modest, rational, and pragmatic proposals in order to draw as much support to them as possible from anybody who might be a fence-sitter. Then we’ll watch the NRA and lunatic-fringe fight like cornered animals against regulations which will have a very modest if infinitesimal impact on law-abiding gun owners.

That seems to be the Obama Administration’s mode of operation (for better and worse) on most things. Make a modest proposal, let the crazies come out against it, and pick off as many defectors as possible to pass something.

352 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:34:52am

re: #346 Vicious Babushka

All your AR-15s and firearms don’t mean anything if you’ve got an unhinged kid who has violent fantasies of their own (see Newtown).

Or all your firearms wont mean anything against a drone strike, airstrike, or a concerted military action. Even many law enforcement agencies have APCs and other armored vehicles against which those firearms will mean little (see even Crazy Joe’s armored vehicles).

353 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:35:26am

All these reactions to reasonable measured attempts at gun control are exactly the same as could have been expected pre-Newton, it’s just that people are finally starting to tell these f*ckwits to shut up and go away.

354 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:36:57am

Assad has high hopes of winning another election however by continuing to kill his voters on a daily basis I don’t think he has much of a chance.

Assad may run for 2014 election

SYRIA’S President Bashar al-Assad may defy calls to step down and stand for election in 2014, an official says, as his army pounded rebel zones with shells and air strikes, killing dozens.

In a bloody day for Syria as it marked 22 months since the eruption of an anti-regime revolt that has morphed into a full-scale civil war, a bomb rocked Aleppo University in the country’s north killing at least 15 people, while 45 others died in shellings and air raids elsewhere, a watchdog said.

The latest violence came a day after a senior official said Assad should be allowed to run for election in 2014.

“We are opening the way for democracy, or deeper democracy. In a democracy you don’t tell somebody not to run,” said Deputy Foreign Minister Faisal Muqdad in an interview with the BBC on Monday.

He repeated the Syrian regime’s insistence that calls for Assad to step down immediately are foreign-backed and illegitimate.

…The United Nations says that more than 60,000 people have died in the Syria conflict which began 22 months ago, on March 15, 2011, with peaceful protests that erupted into deadly violence in the wake of a harsh regime crackdown.

355 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:37:41am

Chuck just got Chuck’s backing. Schumer is supporting Hagel for Sec of Def.

356 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:38:29am

re: #355 darthstar

Chuck just got Chuck’s backing. Schumer is supporting Hagel for Sec of Def.

This proves Schumer is anti-Israel. Derp.

357 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:39:11am

re: #351 Ghost of Tom Joad

I think that’s the strategy at this point. Nothing will ever win the NRA’s (gun manufacturers’) blessing in relation to gun control, so we’re going to see very modest, rational, and pragmatic proposals in order to draw as much support to them as possible from anybody who might be a fence-sitter. Then we’ll watch the NRA and lunatic-fringe fight like cornered animals against regulations which will have a very modest if infinitesimal impact on law-abiding gun owners.

That seems to be the Obama Administration’s mode of operation (for better and worse) on most things. Make a modest proposal, let the crazies come out against it, and pick off as many defectors as possible to pass something.

And that really is the best move to make when support is tepid, small moves that draw out the worst in your enemies. Instead of trying to make them look ridiculous, allow them to do all the work for you.

358 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:40:42am

re: #352 lawhawk

All your AR-15s and firearms don’t mean anything if you’ve got an unhinged kid who has violent fantasies of their own (see Newtown).

Or all your firearms wont mean anything against a drone strike, airstrike, or a concerted military action. Even many law enforcement agencies have APCs and other armored vehicles against which those firearms will mean little (see even Crazy Joe’s armored vehicles).

Please, all of these civil-war fetishists haven’t thought about actual war or anything of the sort and many would probably piss themselves at the thought (or crap themselves if you’re a shitty-music chickenshit like Teddy Nugent). To these people the whole civil-war fantasy is nothing more than their desire to go out and shoot somebody they don’t like (black/gay/hispanic/liberal etc.).

359 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:44:35am

re: #358 Ghost of Tom Joad

Please, all of these civil-war fetishists haven’t thought about actual war or anything of the sort and many would probably piss themselves at the thought (or crap themselves if you’re a shitty-music chickenshit like Teddy Nugent). To these people the whole civil-war fantasy is nothing more than their desire to go out and shoot somebody they don’t like (black/gay/hispanic/liberal etc.).

They don’t know how the last Civil War turned out, nor do they know how Shays’ Rebellion turned out.

361 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:47:25am
362 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:47:40am

re: #358 Ghost of Tom Joad

Please, all of these civil-war fetishists haven’t thought about actual war or anything of the sort and many would probably piss themselves at the thought (or crap themselves if you’re a shitty-music chickenshit like Teddy Nugent). To these people the whole civil-war fantasy is nothing more than their desire to go out and shoot somebody they don’t like (black/gay/hispanic/liberal etc.).

Maybe the stock response to them should be, ‘Why are you plotting against America?’

363 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:48:21am

re: #361 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Let him try.

364 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:49:19am

re: #362 darthstar

Maybe the stock response to them should be, ‘Why are you plotting against America?’

I’m surprised none of them have shouted “it’s about state’s rights!” yet.

365 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:50:31am

This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it

Gene Rosen sheltered six kids during the Sandy Hook massacre. Now he’s become a target of conspiracy theorists

Their little Gulches can’t come soon enough for me.

366 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:54:59am

re: #365 Four More Tears

This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it

Their little Gulches can’t come soon enough for me.

These pathetic, delusional little pricks cannot see how much they are shooting themselves in the foot and undermining their own cause. Let them continue, it is, for better or worse, part of the healing process.

367 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:56:15am

re: #331 NJDhockeyfan

WTF??? Are you shitting me? This is just not right. What are these idiots thinking?

NRA spits on the graves of Newtown massacre victims with release of mobile shoot-‘em-up app for iPhone, iPad

The same things they’re always thinking — Guns Uber Alles.

You know, because the only thing that went wrong in Newtown was that people didn’t know enough about guns. Oh, and violent video games are to blame.

368 Sionainn  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 7:58:44am

re: #342 Interesting Times

WTF’s with the (D) in his Twitter name? Even he realizes his posts are so sick he has to do the fox news thing and make them look like they’re from the other side?

I think the (D) stands for douche.

369 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:00:16am

re: #352 lawhawk

Even many law enforcement agencies have APCs and other armored vehicles against which those firearms will mean little (see even Crazy Joe’s armored vehicles).

Yeah, this.

The other day, there was a shootout here in Austin and a cop was injured. Look at the first photo in that link. The cops here pulled out the armored SWAT vehicles and fatigues. They weren’t fucking around.

Now take that scenario and up the ante by a few orders of magnitude if one of these RWNJ fuckwits decides to be a “patriot” and start an armed insurrection. Between local and state law enforcement and the military, those guys don’t stand a chance.

370 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:02:57am

re: #365 Four More Tears

This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it

Their little Gulches can’t come soon enough for me.

Isn’t that the way it always works with conspiracy nuts? Say that the heroes were part of the “inside job”? After all, the 9/11 truthers always said that the FDNY was paid off to be part of the conspiracy.

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:04:11am

re: #369 Lidane

Yeah, this.

The other day, there was a shootout here in Austin and a cop was injured. Look at the first photo in that link. The cops here pulled out the armored SWAT vehicles and fatigues. They weren’t fucking around.

Now take that scenario and up the ante by a few orders of magnitude if one of these RWNJ fuckwits decides to be a “patriot” and start an armed insurrection. Between local and state law enforcement and the military, those guys don’t stand a chance.

And any sort of organized insurrection planned over public channels of communication might as well be written in smoke signals. And any efforts at organization over private channels would be hindered by the same sort of paranoia and distrust that constitutes the arguments against the government.

372 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:04:47am

re: #370 Ian G.

Isn’t that the way it always works with conspiracy nuts? Say that the heroes were part of the “inside job”? After all, the 9/11 truthers always said that the FDNY was paid off to be part of the conspiracy.

9/11 truthers were always seen as marginalized whackos without a lobby or an advocacy group pushing a legal agenda.

But I am glad to see the gun nuts being pushed into the same area beyond the warning track out in left field…

373 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:05:15am

re: #359 Vicious Babushka

They don’t know how the last Civil War turned out, nor do they know how Shays’ Rebellion turned out.

Shay’s Rebellion was the source of Jefferson’s quip about watering the tree of liberty with blood from time to time.

374 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:05:39am

re: #356 Interesting Times

375 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:07:34am

re: #373 Feline Fearless Leader

Shay’s Rebellion was the source of Jefferson’s quip about watering the tree of liberty with blood from time to time.

Which further proved that Jefferson, while perhaps an excellent writer, was an idealist when it came to the matter of fashioning a government from 13 united yet disparate nations.

376 Sionainn  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:07:55am

re: #365 Four More Tears

This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it

Their little Gulches can’t come soon enough for me.

I just used this on a friend’s FB page after I already chewed him out about posting some truther video, him thinking that it was “something to think about.” THIS is what happens with spreading that crapola around…people getting harassed by paranoid people terrified that the government is going to take their guns away. Gee, what could possibly go wrong.

377 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:08:06am

re: #374 Gus

So basically he’s saying the vast majority of US Jews aren’t pro-Israel.

Even if that were true— which it’s not— why wouldn’t that call into question why?

I think a lot of people are mistaking US Jews’ distaste for Bibi and the insane fuckwits he’s allied with with opposition to Israel. Actually,no, I don’t think that, I think they just are knee-jerk accusing US Jews of being anti-Israel because it’s a cheap, easy ploy to use against them.

378 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:08:24am

re: #374 Gus

Exactly what is “pro-Israel” to these people? I don’t get it.

Also, watching the GOP and the right smear a longtime GOP Senator like Hagel is just bizarre. WTF.

379 GunstarGreen  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:09:01am

re: #374 Gus

[Embedded content]

To be quite honest, I’d care much more about whether an American politician was a Pro-America one than a Pro-Israel one. I wasn’t aware we were voting for the interests of foreign nations in electing politicians for our nation.

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:09:31am

re: #358 Ghost of Tom Joad

Please, all of these civil-war fetishists haven’t thought about actual war or anything of the sort and many would probably piss themselves at the thought (or crap themselves if you’re a shitty-music chickenshit like Teddy Nugent). To these people the whole civil-war fantasy is nothing more than their desire to go out and shoot somebody they don’t like (black/gay/hispanic/liberal etc.).

Good thing for them there are no guns in the Alabama black community nor among the 35% of us who voted for Obama.

382 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:13:00am

re: #377 Obdicut

So basically he’s saying the vast majority of US Jews aren’t pro-Israel.

Even if that were true— which it’s not— why wouldn’t that call into question why?

I think a lot of people are mistaking US Jews’ distaste for Bibi and the insane fuckwits he’s allied with with opposition to Israel. Actually,no, I don’t think that, I think they just are knee-jerk accusing US Jews of being anti-Israel because it’s a cheap, easy ploy to use against them.

Yeah. Since most American Jews vote Democrat, according to this guy, since Dems aren’t pro-Israel American Jews are no pro-Israel. Or something. He’s with the Examiner so expect derpiness.


383 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:15:48am

Me - Boy the traffic in Tel-Aviv sucks today.

RW - ANTISEMITE!!11!1ty

384 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:16:08am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Fox News Misrepresents Fitch’s Downgrade Threat

No surprise there, they did the same thing back when it was Moody’s in ‘11, declaring that the downgrade was over the amount of debt rather than the GOP’s playing politics with raising the debt limit.

385 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:17:47am

To even begin arguing that Chuck Schumer is anti-Israel is asinine. His record on Israel support is unparalleled. He’s been a strong supporter of Israel ever since entering Congress way back in 1981. He wouldn’t have gotten the support he did from his constituents in NYC is he wasn’t.

He’s also a member of AIPAC, so if he’s anti-Israel, what exactly does that make AIPAC?

This is just another attempt to throw stuff up on the wall to see if it sticks.

And a reminder - that if a GOPer had nominated Hagel, these same people would be touting his comments about Israel as a streak of independence and that he’s a free thinker on defense matters - not as anti-Israel.

386 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:18:41am
387 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:19:31am

re: #381 Varek Raith

You know the GOP are in deep when even Newt Gunray Gingrich says that the GOP threat to not raise the debt limit unless linked to other cuts is an empty one.

They’re going to have to increase the limit, regardless. And the WH has called the bluff (that is, unless he’s negotiating behind closed doors despite his statement to the contrary yesterday).

388 simoom  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:21:33am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Fox News Misrepresents Fitch’s Downgrade Threat

CNN is lying about it too. From the CNN write-up:

Weak debt deal would risk U.S. rating - Fitch

The United States risks losing its AAA credit rating from Fitch if any deal to raise the legal borrowing limit does not include a plan to put public finances on a more sustainable footing, the ratings agency said Tuesday.

Fitch’s press release actually says the opposite. Here it is:

Fitch: Debt Ceiling Delay Would Prompt Formal US Rating Review Ratings Endorsement Policy

Fitch Ratings’ expectation is that Congress will raise the debt ceiling and that the risk of a U.S. sovereign default remains extremely low. Nonetheless, and in line with our previous guidance, failure to raise the debt ceiling in a timely manner will prompt a formal review of the U.S. sovereign ratings.

On 31 December 2012, U.S. federal government debt reached the statutory debt limit of USD16.394trn and consequently the Treasury has begun to implement extraordinary measures that will create an estimated USD200bn of additional headroom under the debt ceiling. A repeat of the August 2011 ‘debt ceiling crisis’ would oblige Fitch to review its current assessment of the reliability and predictability of the institutional policy framework and prospects for reaching agreement on a credible medium-term deficit reduction plan.

That last sentence is what’s being misinterpreted. Fitch is saying if we have another debt ceiling crisis that goes up until the last minute, like on 2011, Fitch will need to review it’s assessment of the “prospects for reaching agreement on a credible medium-term deficit reduction plan.” They’re not saying the two should occur at the same time, just that the the former will make them question Congresses ability to get together, in the near future, on the latter. In the next paragraph they explicitly reject using the debt ceiling as leverage for austerity:

In Fitch’s opinion, the debt ceiling is an ineffective and potentially dangerous mechanism for enforcing fiscal discipline. It does not prevent tax and spending decisions that will incur debt issuance in excess of the ceiling while the sanction of not raising the ceiling risks a sovereign default and renders such a threat incredible.

The press release ends by giving the gov’t till later this year to put in place some form of medium-term debt reduction plan:

In the absence of an agreed and credible medium-term deficit reduction plan that would be consistent with sustaining the economic recovery and restoring confidence in the long-run sustainability of U.S. public finances, the current Negative Outlook on the ‘AAA’ rating is likely to be resolved with a downgrade later this year even if another debt ceiling crisis is averted.

So Fitch wants the ceilng raised promptly, without a repeated of the 2011 showdown, and they further warn against using the debt ceiling as a spending cut bargaining chit.

389 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:22:01am

Oh look. The new idiot Senator from Texas speaks:

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:24:20am

Ha ha @cattyidiot is pwning the shit out of #TGDN

391 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:25:00am

Expect Frum to earn more ZOMG OUTRAGE from the wingnuts:

392 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:25:01am

re: #381 Varek Raith

Fox News Misrepresents Fitch’s Downgrade Threat

Fox News misrepresents…period.

393 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:25:42am

Geez, I forgot how much CNN sucks nowadays.

394 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:26:43am

re: #391 Lidane

Expect Frum to earn more ZOMG OUTRAGE from the wingnuts:

[Embedded content]

Frum hates Israel and Reagan.///

395 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:28:47am

From the WTF, Really? files:

396 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:31:21am

re: #389 Lidane

Oh look. The new idiot Senator from Texas speaks:

[Embedded content]

The new senator from Texas hasn’t a fucking clue what he’s talking about. Treasury already told Congress back in ‘11 that there is no way of getting around a default in the event that the debt limit isn’t raised. They have very limited ability to prioritize spending, no control over which debt payments are due on any given day, and would only be able to delay those payments for so long. If on any day, obligations exceed revenues, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

397 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:33:05am

re: #396 Targetpractice

The new senator from Texas hasn’t a fucking clue what he’s talking about. Treasury already told Congress back in ‘11 that there is no way of getting around a default in the event that the debt limit isn’t raised. They have very limited ability to prioritize spending, no control over which debt payments are due on any given day, and would only be able to delay those payments for so long. If on any day, obligations exceed revenues, then the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

398 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:33:54am

re: #396 Targetpractice

The new senator from Texas hasn’t a fucking clue what he’s talking about.

About anything. The man’s a goddamn idiot.

The fact that he got elected to the Senate is a reflection of the pathetic state of the Texas GOP. He really was the best they could do.

399 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:35:02am

#TGDN WHERE THE FANTASY NEVER STOPS

400 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:35:43am

re: #398 Lidane

About anything. The man’s a goddamn idiot.

The fact that he got elected to the Senate is a reflection of the pathetic state of the Texas GOP. He really was the best they could do.

Cruz is another example of how an Ivy League education does not necessarily bestow one with common sense or finely honed logic.

401 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:36:12am

Kwa Kwa…

Walmart responds to ‘suspended ammo’ story

The blogosphere has exploded with outrage in response to news that Walmart is suspending ammunition sales in anticipation of the Obama administration’s gun-control recommendations to Congress – but the retail giant tells WND the reports aren’t true.

“That information is inaccurate,” said Ashley Hardie, a spokeswoman located at Walmart’s corporate headquarters in Bentonville, Ark.

WND then asked whether the retail chain is cutting back on orders of ammunition.

“No,” Hardie said. “We’re continuing to serve our customers as we have in the past.”

She said Walmart’s ammunition sales policy has not changed, even amid talk of gun-control legislation in Washington, D.C

Being that this is from World Nut Daily maybe the TGDNers and Freepers will finally believe this is a stupid hoax.

402 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:37:05am

re: #401 Gus

Kwa Kwa…

Walmart responds to ‘suspended ammo’ story

Being that this is from World Nut Daily maybe the TGDNers and Freepers will finally believe this is a stupid hoax.

QUADRUPLE-DOUBLE AGENT!11!11

403 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:37:54am

Hmmm… sample executive order - one that wouldn’t violate the 2d:

Requiring the DOJ to prosecute all cases involving straw purchases or other federal firearms violations that aren’t currently prosecuted. These are already criminal laws on the books, but the DOJ hasn’t prioritized. The Administration could issue an executive order changing the priority.

404 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:38:15am

re: #399 Vicious Babushka

The source link in that tweet? Weasel Zippers.

The comments are about as derptastic as you’d expect.

405 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:38:16am

re: #401 Gus

Kwa Kwa…

Walmart responds to ‘suspended ammo’ story

Being that this is from World Nut Daily maybe the TGDNers and Freepers will finally believe this is a stupid hoax.

Boycott Walmart because Walmart sucks.

406 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:38:45am

re: #404 Lidane

The source link in that tweet? Weasel Zippers.

The comments are about as derptastic as you’d expect.

I didn’t click the link.

407 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:39:47am

re: #385 lawhawk

To even begin arguing that Chuck Schumer is anti-Israel is asinine. His record on Israel support is unparalleled. He’s been a strong supporter of Israel ever since entering Congress way back in 1981. He wouldn’t have gotten the support he did from his constituents in NYC is he wasn’t.

He’s also a member of AIPAC, so if he’s anti-Israel, what exactly does that make AIPAC?

This is just another attempt to throw stuff up on the wall to see if it sticks.

And a reminder - that if a GOPer had nominated Hagel, these same people would be touting his comments about Israel as a streak of independence and that he’s a free thinker on defense matters - not as anti-Israel.

Schumer is of course very pro Israel. On this I suspect he was given a very rough ride by the President. Schumer’s support was needed. The GOP have been looking to Schumer to be the one to down the Hagel nomination and in light of this new statement of support I would expect him to be burned at the stake by the GOP

408 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:40:42am

re: #406 Vicious Babushka

I didn’t click the link.

You’re not missing anything. And now I have to go clear out my Google cache to get rid of the crazy.

409 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:40:53am

re: #393 Varek Raith

Geez, I forgot how much CNN sucks nowadays.

“Can’t watch video for whatever reason” version: CNN completely eliminates investigative journalism unit in favor of talking heads.

410 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:41:16am

re: #401 Gus

Kwa Kwa…

Walmart responds to ‘suspended ammo’ story

Being that this is from World Nut Daily maybe the TGDNers and Freepers will finally believe this is a stupid hoax.

Stupid hoax or brilliant marketing strategy to drive bullet sales? Hey, 58% of our customers are fucking red-neck retards…let’s manipulate the fuck out of them!

411 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:41:56am

re: #408 Lidane

You’re not missing anything. And now I have to go clear out my Google cache to get rid of the crazy.

Weaselzipper.us? That’s where I get my facts! Sheesh.

412 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:42:27am

re: #410 darthstar

Stupid hoax or brilliant marketing strategy to drive bullet sales? Hey, 58% of our customers are fucking red-neck retards…let’s manipulate the fuck out of them!

I kinda feel bad for people who shop at Walmart, many of them can’t afford to shop elsewhere (like, people who WORK at freakin’ Walmart).

413 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:42:53am

re: #410 darthstar

Stupid hoax or brilliant marketing strategy to drive bullet sales? Hey, 58% of our customers are fucking red-neck retards…let’s manipulate the fuck out of them!

I was checking for ammo at local Walmarts online and they were out of stock on just about everything. Then I did some random checks around Dallas. Same thing. Just another dumb rumor from some UFO conspiracy nut.

414 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:43:02am

re: #408 Lidane

You’re not missing anything. And now I have to go clear out my Google cache to get rid of the crazy.

It’ll leave a film. Might as well buy a new computer.

415 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:43:23am

That’s actually who created that rumor. I forgot his website. Steven Quayle or something?

416 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:43:58am
417 darthstar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:44:21am

re: #413 Gus

I was checking for ammo at local Walmarts online and they were out of stock on just about everything. Then I did some random checks around Dallas. Same thing. Just another dumb rumor from some UFO conspiracy nut.

This here room used to be where the kids slept, but they’re on our floor now as we need the storage space for ammo.

418 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:44:59am

Here it is.

WALMART FORBIDDEN BY CORPORATE TO REORDER AMMO FOR SALE TO PUBLIC- FULL COMMIE TAKEOVER OF U.S. UNDERWAY

Which was then picked up by another conspiracy nut, Before it is News. It then went on to #tcot and #tgdn.

419 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:45:04am

Walmart’s offering JRRBZ to veterans. Do they get benefits, or are these $6.90/hr <29 hrs/week jrrbz that they’ll need to get Food Stamps to survive?

420 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:47:46am
421 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:48:12am

re: #419 Vicious Babushka

Walmart’s offering JRRBZ to veterans. Do they get benefits, or are these $6.90/hr <29 hrs/week jrrbz that they’ll need to get Food Stamps to survive?

$6.90 per hour! Yipee! Cripes. My first job was $5.67 per hour back in 1982. Welcome to the land of opportunity!

422 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:49:05am
423 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:49:06am

re: #421 Gus

$6.90 per hour! Yipee! Cripes. My first job was $5.67 per hour back in 1982. Welcome to the land of opportunity!

My first job at the age of 15 was 5.15.
Good grief.

424 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:50:38am

WTFF IS THIS?

425 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:04am

re: #423 Varek Raith

My first job at the age of 15 was 5.15.
Good grief.

The Walmart clan owns how much of Americans’ wealth? 30 or 40 percent. That’s just for something like 7 Waltons or such. Democracy baby! Bleh.

426 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:06am
427 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:38am
428 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:49am

re: #421 Gus

$6.90 per hour! Yipee! Cripes. My first job was $5.67 per hour back in 1982. Welcome to the land of opportunity!

OBAMUZ FAWLT!1! (Walton family just needs to survive!)

429 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:51:58am

re: #414 darthstar

It’ll leave a film. Might as well buy a new computer.

and replace your ethernet cable….or spray some disinfectant in case of wifi.

430 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:52:05am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

WTFF IS THIS?

[Embedded content]

That’s not a Brady Campaign poster.

431 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:52:05am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

I call cheesy, sleazy photoshop (like the Obama “student ID” card)

432 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:52:05am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

There aren’t words to adequately describe how fucking stupid that is.

433 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:52:46am
434 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:27am

re: #423 Varek Raith

My first job at the age of 15 was 5.15.
Good grief.

Mine was 3.25.

435 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:32am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

WTFF IS THIS?

[Embedded content]

I call bs on that pic.

436 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:37am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

WTFF IS THIS?

[Embedded content]

ummm wow. Whoever thought that was a good idea needs to find a new line of work.

437 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:53:54am

re: #434 NJDhockeyfan

Mine was 3.25.

Yeah, but you’re, like, a dinosaur.
/

438 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:54:36am

Sure enough.

snopes.com: Brady Campaign Ad

FALSE!

439 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:55:00am

Weird. Just about everything from TGDN is completely bogus.

440 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:55:10am

re: #438 Gus

Sure enough.

snopes.com: Brady Campaign Ad

FALSE!

Bam!
Thought so. That was way too dumb to be even plausible.

441 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:55:40am

re: #378 Lidane

Exactly what is “pro-Israel” to these people? I don’t get it.

Also, watching the GOP and the right smear a longtime GOP Senator like Hagel is just bizarre. WTF.

Nuking Palestine, Iran, and launching a crusade against the Muslims, has pretty much become the de-facto definition of “pro-Israel” as defined by neoconservatives. And, of course, “have you hated Hamas lately?”

442 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:56:44am

re: #440 Varek Raith

Bam!
Thought so. That was way to dumb to be even plausible.

Ooga booga! Snopes. Noun. Verb. Soros.

443 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:56:50am

re: #438 Gus

Sure enough.

snopes.com: Brady Campaign Ad

FALSE!

That assumes anybody looks at Snopes, rather than just forwards the email, posts it to their Facebook and Twitter accounts, and prints it out to show their friends the “truth” about “gun grabbers.”

444 Bear  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:57:28am

Perhaps I can top the lowest hourly wage for first job. $0.76 an hour for 10 hour 6 day job. Southern Pacific Railroad in 1944.

445 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:58:38am

re: #420 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

One of the Reps just threw out a BS George Washington quote.

446 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:58:45am

re: #443 Targetpractice

That assumes anybody looks at Snopes, rather than just forwards the email, posts it to their Facebook and Twitter accounts, and prints it out to show their friends the “truth” about “gun grabbers.”

SNOAPES IZ LIBRULZ!1!

447 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:59:12am

re: #444 Bear

Perhaps I can top the lowest hourly wage for first job. $0.76 an hour for 10 hour 6 day job. Southern Pacific Railroad in 1944.

Adjusting for inflation, that would be somewhere around $9.94/hour today.

You’d still have the average Wal-Mart employee beat.

448 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:59:15am

re: #393 Varek Raith

Geez, I forgot how much CNN sucks nowadays.

News-by-MBF, almost as bad as Fox News who took the MBF out back and ripped her wings off a long time ago.

449 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:07am

re: #395 Lidane

From the WTF, Really? files:

[Embedded content]

“I want to become a nurse at a hospital, but I’m terrified of the sight of blood!”

450 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:00:39am

re: #444 Bear

Perhaps I can top the lowest hourly wage for first job. $0.76 an hour for 10 hour 6 day job. Southern Pacific Railroad in 1944.

I don’t know whether you topped it or bottomed it.

But you kept me from posting that my first not-under-the-table job paid $1.93/hr.

/or not…

451 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:01:34am

re: #400 wheat-dogghazi

Cruz is another example of how an Ivy League education does not necessarily bestow one with common sense or finely honed logic.

There’s a major difference between earning an education (Obama) vs. having one bought for you (Bush).

452 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:02:39am
453 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:02:58am
454 Four More Tears  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:04:56am

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

Worse…

Snopes is in on it!!!

455 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:04:57am
456 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:05:49am

Debate underway in the NYS Assembly (click on 1-15-2013 session for video of debate) on the gun regulation legislation that already passed the State Senate yesterday.

It’s expected to pass handily in the Assembly, and the governor is expected to sign upon passage.

457 bratwurst  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:10:23am

A mea culpa from The Atlantic about the Scientology ad:

My page about the ad:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

458 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:11:30am

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

Because it’s always appropriate, [Link: xkcd.com…]

459 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:11:59am
460 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:17:24am

IS SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS THE NEW CHE GUEVARA?

On a Friday afternoon this past June, a new wave of pro-democracy demonstrations roiled downtown Cairo. Protestors were angry that ousted dictator Hosni Mubarak’s last prime minister, Ahmad Shafiq, had advanced to the runoff in the country’s historic presidential election.

In the midst of the turmoil, a young activist with black-rimmed glasses, his fist raised skyward, led crowd in chants against the old regime. He was easy to spot, perched atop a comrade’s shoulders, and wearing a bright yellow T-shirt emblazoned with the image of the beloved yellow undersea creature of animated children’s television, SpongeBob Squarepants.

SpongeBob is a familiar sight in Tahrir Square nowadays. The vendors in the square hawking Egyptian flags and shirts printed with revolutionary slogans almost always also sell SpongeBob-branded T-shirts. The casual visitor to the square in early 2013 might even wonder if SpongeBob has become, like the ubiquitous Che Guevara shirts or the spooky Guy Fawkes masks made popular by the film V for Vendetta, a bizarre transnational pop culture symbol of resistance.

Shereif Elkeshta, an Egyptian-American filmmaker who travels frequently between New York and Cairo, said he first noticed the bright yellow shirts during a visit to the square last May, over a year after the revolution. “Suddenly it was no longer about hurriya [freedom] ath-thawra [the revolution] or 25th of January, it just became T-shirts, and SpongeBob, maybe it’s just the New Yorker in me, but SpongeBob? Do these people even know what SpongeBob is?”

Heh.

461 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:18:43am

re: #424 Vicious Babushka

WTFF IS THIS?

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I find it believable. The Brady bunch is just as evil as the NRA.
Edit: I’m glad Snopes shows it false but I still find it all too easy to believe it.

BBL.

462 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:18:56am

One of my Groupons for the day:

Central Texas Gun Works – South Bend Center

State-certified instructors qualify students to apply for state CHLs through a daylong class that includes breakfast tacos and pizza.

463 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:19:21am

re: #461 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I find it believable. The Brady bunch is just as evil as the NRA.

O_o

464 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:20:46am

re: #461 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I find it believable. The Brady bunch is just as evil as the NRA.

What’s evil about them?

465 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:21:29am

re: #461 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, I find it believable. The Brady bunch is just as evil as the NRA.

Jesus Christ armed with an AR-15 man, did you at least buy the MBF dinner and a movie before slipping it some chloroform and having your way with it?

466 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:22:47am

re: #426 Lidane

What right wing racism?

Coulter: ‘Not a gun problem,’ U.S. has ‘demographic problem’ with non-whites

Prairie Home Invasion

467 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:23:28am

re: #465 Ghost of Tom Joad

Jesus Christ armed with an AR-15 man, did you at least buy the MBF dinner and a movie before slipping it some chloroform and having your way with it?

Image: jesus-ar15.jpg

468 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:25:15am

Yes, because I hate the Brady Campaign so much I’m willing to slander them with a fake ad campaign poster comparing rape with murder or something. Fake but accurate based on complete and utter bullshit. That’s the ticket.

469 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:25:44am

re: #467 NJDhockeyfan

Image: jesus-ar15.jpg

“And yet I walk through the valley of the shadow of communism, I shall fear no Obama, because thou art with me, with thy AR-15 and high-capacity magazines….”

470 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:25:48am

re: #465 Ghost of Tom Joad

Jesus Christ armed with an AR-15 man, did you at least buy the MBF dinner and a movie before slipping it some chloroform and having your way with it?

“Jesus would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed!”

471 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:29:38am
472 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:30:42am

re: #471 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Near, but on the negative side, I think.

473 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:31:53am
474 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:33:34am

re: #471 Lidane

[Embedded content]

No word yet on when any of the brands Armstrong dragged through the mud to save his own will be getting an apology.

475 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:34:18am

Yuck…

NYT:

Morsi’s Slurs Against Jews Stir Concern

CAIRO — Nearly three years ago, a leader of the Muslim Brotherhood delivered a speech urging Egyptians to “nurse our children and our grandchildren on hatred” for Jews and Zionists. In a television interview around that time, the same leader described Zionists as “these bloodsuckers who attack the Palestinians, these warmongers, the descendants of apes and pigs.”

That leader, Mohamed Morsi, is now president of Egypt — and his comments may be coming back to haunt him.

476 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:35:34am

re: #474 Targetpractice

No word yet on when any of the brands Armstrong dragged through the mud to save his own will be getting an apology.

All bike industry people knew it was a dirty sport. They may have thought Lance was an exception, but they knew what the sport was like.

477 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:37:25am

re: #476 wrenchwench

All bike industry people knew it was a dirty sport. They may have thought Lance was an exception, but they knew what the sport was like.

Bicycles are the sort of thing I have always associated with cutthroat competition between scum-of-the-earth lowlifes.

/

478 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:38:52am

re: #476 wrenchwench

All bike industry people knew it was a dirty sport. They may have thought Lance was an exception, but they knew what the sport was like.

I’ve been hearing that since yesterday, that Lance was just “the best doper in a field of dopers.” Difference is that Lance sued their asses if they ever called him on it.

479 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:40:16am

*headdesk*

480 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:40:32am

re: #477 Sol Berdinowitz

Bicycles are the sort of thing I have always associated with cutthroat competition between scum-of-the-earth lowlifes.

/

Here’s a bike racer one can look up to.

Died penniless in 1932.

481 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:41:54am

re: #479 Lidane

*headdesk*

[Embedded content]

Yes, because a second Great Depression would do wonders for America.

///

482 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:42:23am

re: #478 Targetpractice

I’ve been hearing that since yesterday, that Lance was just “the best doper in a field of dopers.” Difference is that Lance sued their asses if they ever called him on it.

Yeah, it’s his attitude and actions toward those who knew he was lying and might out him that make him unforgivable. Much more than the doping itself.

483 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:42:40am

OUTRAGE!

484 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:42:50am

Dear Lance. Go away please.

485 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:43:16am

re: #483 Lidane

OUTRAGE!

[Embedded content]

Impeach!

486 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:44:05am

re: #484 Gus

Dear Lance. Go away please.

Not until after Thursday. More build up until then.

487 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:45:30am

re: #486 wrenchwench

Not until after Thursday. More build up until then.

[Embedded content]

Yeah. She’s part of the problem too. Remember that whole author controversy?

488 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:45:40am

Because there’s no possible benefit to the head spook at the CIA speaking Arabic.

489 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:46:20am

re: #488 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Because there’s no possible benefit to the head spook at the CIA speaking Arabic.

Derpity derp.

490 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:46:33am

These gun fetishists are in for a rude awakening the first time they try to open fire on the US military and law enforcement.

491 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:46:45am

re: #486 wrenchwench

Not until after Thursday. More build up until then.

[Embedded content]

Yeah, her interview this morning is leaving a lot with the impression that she wasn’t overall impressed with his interview and doesn’t endorse it. More than likely it was less tear-streaked breakdown and more straight-faced lawyerspeaker.

492 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:47:08am

WRT Hagel and DADT — another example:


493 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:47:21am

re: #490 Lidane

[Embedded content]

These gun fetishists are in for a rude awakening the first time they try to open fire on the US military and law enforcement.

Does anyone wanna remind them how Waco ended?

494 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:47:27am

‘I’m gonna hang our president from a tree’: Secret Service arrests sex offender who ‘made racist death threat against Obama’

The Secret Service arrested a registered sex offender in Michigan after he allegedly made a racist death threat against President Barack Obama and threatened to blow up the FCC.

James Allen Myers, 37, called the offices of the National Geographic and the Federal Communications Commission and threatened the president because he was outraged by the ‘filthy sex and perversion’ that was allowed on television, according to federal charges filed against him on Thursday.

He allegedly called Obama a racial slur and said: ‘I’m gonna hang our… president from a tree outside the White House with a burning cross and a swastika on the lawn.’

Myers did not leave his name on the voice mail recording, but the Secret Service used the FCC’s caller ID to trace the phone calls - made December 9 and 10 from his home outside Detroit, the Detroit News reported.

Myers, who was convicted in 2001 of criminal sexual conduct, admitted to making the phone calls and said he was enraged over the sexual content he was on television.

When Secret Service agents showed up at the home Myers shares with his father, the elder Myers asked his son if he had ‘been making phone calls again.’

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:47:34am

re: #470 Sol Berdinowitz

“Jesus would not have been crucified if he and his disciples had been properly armed!”

They must not have read _Ben Hur_.

496 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:47:55am

re: #487 Gus

Yeah. She’s part of the problem too. Remember that whole author controversy?

Yep.

What Charles said:

Lance did this on the Oprah show because he knows he instantly gets millions of low information viewers on his side.

497 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:48:22am

re: #495 Feline Fearless Leader

They must not have read _Ben Hur_.

The only book I need is the Bible! Eleventy!

498 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:11am

re: #496 wrenchwench

Yep.

What Charles said:

The key here is for Lance to make the audience cry followed by Oprah announcing fabulous gifts and prizes for said audience.

499 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:32am

re: #493 Targetpractice

Does anyone wanna remind them how Waco ended?

The Branch Davidians were greeted as liberators and given a parade in the streets?

///

500 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:36am

re: #477 Sol Berdinowitz

Bicycles are the sort of thing I have always associated with cutthroat competition between scum-of-the-earth lowlifes.

/

Of course it’s cutthroat. Note how they stop the “big front wheel, little back wheel” species from never developing beyond the larval stages.
//

501 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:49:57am

re: #359 Vicious Babushka

They don’t know how the last Civil War turned out, nor do they know how Shays’ Rebellion turned out.

Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics. - Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

502 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:50:14am

re: #491 Targetpractice

Yeah, her interview this morning is leaving a lot with the impression that she wasn’t overall impressed with his interview and doesn’t endorse it. More than likely it was less tear-streaked breakdown and more straight-faced lawyerspeaker.

She’s trying to make it the biggest thing since Frost/Nixon. The rest of the media are trying to help her. You know, they don’t have Nixon to kick around any more.

503 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:51:19am

re: #502 wrenchwench

She’s trying to make it the biggest thing since Frost/Nixon. The rest of the media are trying to help her. You know, they don’t have Nixon to kick around any more.

That does it. I’m going to start a petition to deport Lance Armstrong. /

504 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:51:30am

re: #499 Lidane

The Branch Davidians were greeted as liberators and given a parade in the streets?

///

….as they passed through the pearly gates./

505 Mattand  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:55:20am
506 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:56:16am

re: #486 wrenchwench

Not until after Thursday. More build up until then.

[Embedded content]

Geez.

Gail: “It’s being described as an emotional interview.”

Oprah: “For me or for him?”

She had to clear out her house to make room for the two egos.

507 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:57:24am

re: #494 NJDhockeyfan

‘I’m gonna hang our president from a tree’: Secret Service arrests sex offender who ‘made racist death threat against Obama’

We are going to see more and this, threats and even acts of violence, and when the government does its job, namely by responding to these threats and actions, it will be held up as proof that they were out to do this all along, and that the FEMA reeducation camps are waiting for all of us.

508 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:57:31am

re: #506 wrenchwench

Geez.

Gail: “It’s being described as an emotional interview.”

Oprah: “For me or for him?”

She had to clear out her house to make room for the two egos.

Womp. There it is. Gotta make the audience cry. She’s such a freak.

509 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:58:46am

re: #365 Four More Tears

This man helped save six children, is now getting harassed for it

Their little Gulches can’t come soon enough for me.

Some assholes really do deserve a punch in the mouth.

510 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 9:59:28am

BREATHTAKING FAIL


Why do you suppose that is, Mr. Mathison? Maybe because there are a bunch of Michigan CITIZENS who are Muslim?

511 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:00:50am

re: #506 wrenchwench

Geez.

Gail: “It’s being described as an emotional interview.”

Oprah: “For me or for him?”

She had to clear out her house to make room for the two egos.

When did everyone become so anti-entertainment. What did Oprah do wrong here? This isnt exactly news. Big sports star admits he cheated. ok. move along nothing to see here unless you were one of the people he destroyed or companies he represented. Both of whom likely have legal recourse at their disposal. Our interest is trivial. If you don’t want to support Oprah I suggest not watching. If you are interested in the issue or the celebrity watch the interview with some popcorn. I hardly think Oprah owes anyone anything on this.

512 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:00:57am

re: #510 Vicious Babushka

Sounds like this person was inspired by your earlier Walmart/Veteran comments:

513 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:01:53am

re: #512 Interesting Times

Sounds like this person was inspired by your earlier Walmart/Veteran comments:

[Embedded content]

OUCH!

514 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:01:56am

re: #501 Romantic Heretic

It is the rule in war: If ten times the enemy’s strength, surround them; if five times, attack them; if double, be able to divide them; if equal, engage them; if fewer, be able to evade them; if weaker, be able to avoid them. — Sun Tzu, The Art of War

What’s the rule when the military you’re fighting against spends more than the next 17 countries combined and all you’ve got is an AR-15 and an NRA card?

515 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:02:07am

re: #490 Lidane

[Embedded content]

These gun fetishists are in for a rude awakening the first time they try to open fire on the US military and law enforcement.

As I said last night, I do not like what a post-CW2 America looks like. Oh, I’m pretty sure the US government wins and the gun fanatics lose. Less so than last night because I’ve actually worked through some analysis, but still pretty sure. But here’s the thing: the thing that gives them a chance is the thing that makes this extremely nasty. There are no clear lines of demarcation. It’s a massive insurgency with full interpenetration.

Changes in laws, changes in what’s considered “acceptable”, all that mean that the end result will be the creation of the state the rebels claim to be opposing. Questions of governmental spying go away - wiretap laws get eviscerated. We get used to random assassinations of government (local and state as well as federal) officials and agents — and in response the missile attacks on small gatherings of people alleged to be rebels. Or in some cases, who just happen to be near Rebel #2 when the opportunity for a missile occurred.

I hate these people even more after thinking about it. They’ll lose, but the victory of the US will be pyrrhic.

516 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:02:28am

Skewering skewed priorities FTW:

517 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:02:38am

re: #514 Lidane

What’s the rule when the military you’re fighting against spends more than the next 17 countries combined and all you’ve got is an AR-15 and an NRA card?

Play “Internet tough guy” on your local far-right wing blog.

518 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:04:06am

re: #507 Sol Berdinowitz

We are going to see more and this, threats and even acts of violence, and when the government does its job, namely by responding to these threats and actions, it will be held up as proof that they were out to do this all along, and that the FEMA reeducation camps are waiting for all of us.

Unfortunately it comes with the job as POTUS.

Threatening the President of the United States

Threatening the President of the United States is a class D felony under United States Code Title 18, Section 871.[1] It consists of knowingly and willfully mailing or otherwise making “any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States”. The United States Secret Service investigates suspected violations of this law and monitors those who have a history of threatening the President.

Because the offense consists of pure speech, the courts have issued rulings attempting to balance the government’s interest in protecting the President with free speech rights under the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States. According to Stalking, Threatening, and Attacking Public Figures, “Hundreds of celebrity howlers threaten the President of the United States every year, sometimes because they disagree with his policies, but more often just because he is the President.”[2]

The United States Attorneys’ Manual states that the Terrorism and Violent Crime Section has supervisory authority over Section 871 cases.[3]

…The first prosecutions under the statute, enacted in 1917, occurred during the highly charged, hyperpatriotic years of World War I, and the decisions handed down by the courts in these early cases reflected intolerance for any words demonstrating even a vague spirit of disloyalty.[8][9] There was a relative moratorium on prosecutions under this statute until the World War II era. The number increased during the turbulent Vietnam War era. They have tended to fall when the country has not been directly embroiled in a national crisis situation.[10]

The number of reported threats rose from 2,400 in 1965 to 12,800 in 1969.[11] According to some reports, President George W. Bush received about 3,000 threats a year, while his successor Barack Obama received about four times that many.[12] This figure has been disputed by Secret Service Director Mark Sullivan, who says that Obama receives about as many threats as the previous two Presidents.[13]

According to the U.S. Attorneys’ Manual, “Media attention given to certain kinds of criminal activity seems to generate further criminal activity; this is especially true concerning Presidential threats which is well documented by data previously supplied by the United States Secret Service. For example, in the six-month period following the March 30, 1981, attempt on the life of President Reagan, the average number of threats against protectees of the Secret Service increased by over 150 percent from a similar period during the prior year.” For this reason, the agency recommends considering the use of sealed affidavits to keep news of threats from leaking to the press.[3]

519 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:06:23am

re: #516 Interesting Times

Skewering skewed priorities FTW:

[Embedded content]

O_o How do we get from Lance Armstrong to Iraq? No wait. I think I get it. Gah, I hate it when people attempt to be “clever” that way.

520 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:06:49am

re: #514 Lidane

What’s the rule when the military you’re fighting against spends more than the next 17 countries combined and all you’ve got is an AR-15 and an NRA card?

Whine like a bitch on the internet.

521 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:09:27am

re: #519 Gus

O_o How do we get from Lance Armstrong to Iraq? No wait. I think I get it. Gah, I hate it when people attempt to be “clever” that way.

I read it as pointing out ridiculous double standards when it comes to unethical/criminal behavior. Think of punishments faced by sports figures for lying to congress vs anything remotely similar for oil execs, bankers, etc.

522 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:09:57am

This outrage over “Zero Dark Thirty” is getting old. Don’t like it, don’t see it. Sorry but we’re not going to create an “office of artistic purity” to censor movies to satisfy your sensitivities.

523 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:09:58am

Breaking science news-Evidence found-chimps exceed GOP mental capacity for a sense of fairness. That is to say the chimps actually have a sense of fairness. :-)

Heh I was tempted to headline the Page like that.

524 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:12:04am

re: #523 Political Atheist

Breaking science news-Evidence found-chimps exceed GOP mental capacity for a sense of fairness. That is to say the chimps actually have a sense of fairness. :-)

Heh I was tempted to headline the Page like that.

Forget that, look in the ocean…

The octopus’ ‘human-like’ intelligence

525 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:12:15am

re: #521 Interesting Times

I read it as pointing out ridiculous double standards when it comes to unethical/criminal behavior. Think of punishments faced by sports figures for lying to congress vs anything remotely similar for oil execs, bankers, etc.

That’s how I read it and that’s why I find it annoying. Apples and oranges. No one wants to arrest Lance Armstrong. No one wants to send him to the ICC. We can’t just say “oil execs and bankers” should go to jail based on rhetoric. If they want those people to be prosecuted for something then they have to actually be charged with something besides a decree from YourAnonNews. It’s just silly.

526 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:13:29am

What part of “Federal > State” do these morons not understand?

527 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:13:50am

re: #524 NJDhockeyfan

One of my favorite things about science is how it shows ancient man and the creatures around us are smarter and much more capable than we thought.

528 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:19am

Let’s compare everything to everything. And while we’re on the topic of Lance Armstrong… IRAQ!

529 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:35am

FAIL.

530 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:42am

re: #528 Gus

Let’s compare everything to everything. And while we’re on the topic of Lance Armstrong… IRAQ!

Needs moar Benghazi.

531 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:47am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

IS SPONGEBOB SQUAREPANTS THE NEW CHE GUEVARA?

Heh.

You never know what will become a cultural symbol of resistance. In Lithuania, Frank Zappa became an underground symbol of resistance to the Soviets.

532 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:14:53am

re: #526 Lidane

[Embedded content]

What part of “Federal > State” do these morons not understand?

It’s working for marijuana. I guess they think they can do the same thing with gun laws.

533 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:15:53am

Derp!

534 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:16:20am

re: #529 Vicious Babushka

FAIL.

[Embedded content]

Chinese cars are being sold here in the US?

535 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:01am

re: #479 Lidane

In the same sense that shutting off the automatic emergency cooling systems was a “wonderful experiment” when the Soviets did it at Chernobyl.

536 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:05am

It’s interesting watching him in previous interviews denying it:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

He makes all those textbook “microexpressions” associated with lying. (Of course, it’s easy for an arm-chair expert to pick them out after-the-fact, but still….)

537 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:06am

re: #527 Political Atheist

One of my favorite things about science is how it shows ancient man and the creatures around us are smarter and much more capable than we thought.

I think we stopped thinking for ourselves when we start to let computers do the thinking for us .

538 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:08am

re: #528 Gus

Let’s compare everything to everything.

:P

539 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:14am

re: #522 Gus

This outrage over “Zero Dark Thirty” is getting old. Don’t like it, don’t see it. Sorry but we’re not going to create an “office of artistic purity” to censor movies to satisfy your sensitivities.

We see what happens when we neglect basic education. People do not gbegin to understand that fact-based fiction is still fiction. And stuff written by some 4,000-year-old Hebrew is not science, it is mythology.

Oh, forget it, its pointless….

540 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:39am
541 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:51am

re: #534 Targetpractice

Chinese cars are being sold here in the US?

They would be if there was a Trumpmobile.

542 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:17:54am

re: #526 Lidane

[Embedded content]

What part of “Federal > State” do these morons not understand?

The part that they disagree with

543 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:19:44am
544 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:22:52am

re: #539 Sol Berdinowitz

We see what happens when we neglect basic education. People do not gbegin to understand that fact-based fiction is still fiction. And stuff written by some 4,000-year-old Hebrew is not science, it is mythology.

Oh, forget it, its pointless….

It’s interesting because these same people will say that movie violence doesn’t promote gun violence. Now they’re saying Zero Dark Thirty will “promote” torture?

545 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:22:54am

re: #537 NJDhockeyfan

I think we stopped thinking for ourselves when we start to let computers do the thinking for us .

Hah! Great timing. Check this out, I was thinking of Paging it a bit later

Photos Showing the Strange Similarities of Human Cities and Human Neurons

Form follows function


This is just one of the images, made my scifi imagination just leap…

546 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:23:27am

re: #543 Lidane

[Embedded content]

And Frum’s exactly right, the opposition to gun control boils down to basically the same argument: “I need to protect myself from ‘others.’”

547 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:24:14am

Ugh. Racist Twitter account. (Not embedding)

548 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:24:22am

Here ya go.

How the Deadly Prosecution of Aaron Swartz Represents the Extreme Security-State Tendencies of Obama’s Justice Department

I was afraid this would happen. Apparently Aaron Swartz’s suicide is Obama’s fault.

549 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:26:22am

re: #545 Political Atheist

Hah! Great timing. Check this out, I was thinking of Paging it a bit later

Photos Showing the Strange Similarities of Human Cities and Human Neurons

Form follows function

This is just one of the images, made my scifi imagination just leap…

Nice. That explains the NK regime.

550 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:27:53am

re: #511 Petero1818

When did everyone become so anti-entertainment. What did Oprah do wrong here? This isnt exactly news. Big sports star admits he cheated. ok. move along nothing to see here unless you were one of the people he destroyed or companies he represented. Both of whom likely have legal recourse at their disposal. Our interest is trivial. If you don’t want to support Oprah I suggest not watching. If you are interested in the issue or the celebrity watch the interview with some popcorn. I hardly think Oprah owes anyone anything on this.

I got nothin’ against Oprah, probably because I don’t have a TV. I’m just sayin’, BIG EGOS.

And I work in the bike industry, so yeah—he personally wronged me.

///sarc

551 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:29:02am

re: #550 wrenchwench

I got nothin’ against Oprah, probably because I don’t have a TV. I’m just sayin’, BIG EGOS.

And I work in the bike industry, so yeah—he personally wronged me.

///sarc

I thought cycling was about who has the better and most expensive bicycle?

//

552 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:29:32am

Pfft. He’s got a Japanese bike.

//

553 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:30:14am
554 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:30:18am

re: #551 Gus

I thought cycling was about who has the better and most expensive bicycle?

//

And the most colorful riding outfits!
/

555 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:31:15am

re: #554 NJDhockeyfan

And the most colorful riding outfits!
/

I think bike racers should just line up to do lines of coke in front of their fans before each bike race.

//

556 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:31:47am

re: #555 Gus

I think bike racers should just line up to do lines of coke in front of their fans before each bike race.

//

They would get more groupies that way.

557 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:31:53am

re: #551 Gus

I thought cycling was about who has the better and most expensive bicycle?

//

GET THOSE SARC TAGS OFF OF THERE!!! THAT”S WHAT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT! WHO HAS THE BEST BIKE!!!!

558 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:32:31am

re: #553 Lidane

[Embedded content]

How dare we tell Christians they can’t lobby for laws to kill homosexuals! What kind of monsters are we?

559 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:33:30am

re: #557 wrenchwench

GET THOSE SARC TAGS OFF OF THERE!!! THAT”S WHAT EVERYTHING IS ABOUT! WHO HAS THE BEST BIKE!!!!

Still? :O Actually it used to be that way when I was into cycling. I admit, I was kind of on a head trip about it all. The scary part was that there were people that were on a bigger head trip.

560 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:33:41am

re: #557 wrenchwench

For the price of some of those carbon fiber frame bikes…. May as well get a Prius with the plug in and pedal & chain option…
//

561 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:34:29am

Another. Derp. Fail.

562 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:36:23am

Pfft. He’s got a Canon.

//

563 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:36:43am

re: #561 Vicious Babushka

Totem Reagan supports whatever I want!

564 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:36:56am

Glenn Beck Sees Civil War Brewing in America

As Beck foresees it, Obama will initially accept some sort of compromise gun control legislation from Congress but then start complaining that it didn’t go far enough while waiting patiently for another high-profile gun crime to take place which he can then use as evidence that the compromise legislation was insufficient and thus provide justification for issuing an executive order banning and confiscating weapons.

At which point, Americans will have two choices: either to hole up in heavily armed compounds à la Waco and Ruby Ridge or to peacefully protest and resist. Beck prefers the latter because, as everyone knows, things Waco and Ruby Ridge just provide an opportunity for the government to kill its citizens while the media portrays the victims as a bunch of crazies:

565 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:37:21am

Sorry, you can’t be my friend unless you own a Nikon.

//

566 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:38:11am

re: #559 Gus

Still? :O Actually it used to be that way when I was into cycling. I admit, I was kind of on a head trip about it all. The scary part was that there were people that were on a bigger head trip.

The definition of ‘best’ has broadened. There are more different kinds of bikes available.

I gotta go fix a couple of secondhand old bikes.

Later.

567 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:38:39am

re: #559 Gus

Still? :O Actually it used to be that way when I was into cycling. I admit, I was kind of on a head trip about it all. The scary part was that there were people that were on a bigger head trip.

You just have not bought enough additional bicycle accessories yet.

AND DON’T FORGET TO BUY THOSE HIGH CAPACITY WATER BOTTLES BEFORE THE FEDS BAN THEM!!11!!
;)//

568 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:39:52am

Bad news on the debt ceiling issue.

Apparently last time the Treasury said that it DOES NOT have the authority to prioritize debts and is required to pay debts in the order they were received/came due, first in, first out.

also see here:
[Link: www.law.harvard.edu…]

Default on our bonds/higher interest on our debt/permanent ruin here we COME!

Also have a typical response to this from a conservative on PJ. Note the psychology of conservatives. They’re like children, seeking approval from a parent by sucking up.

I think the situation is more analogous to a family that has a steady income, but decides to take out a new credit card to pay off the *minimum* required monthly payment on the old credit card, instead of cutting the cable TV.

But then, I don’t lean Progressive, so I can see the situation honestly, unlike Ben Bernanke and the overwhelming majority of journalists.

569 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:40:07am

Anne, you crazy fucked up bitch…

Coulter: ‘Not a gun problem,’ U.S. has ‘demographic problem’ with non-whites

“As you know, I just got back from England,” Coulter explained. “On the gun crimes, we keep hearing how low they are in Europe and, ‘Oh, they’re so low and they have no guns.’ If you compare white populations, we have the same murder rate as Belgium.”

“So, perhaps, it’s not a gun problem, it is a demographic problem, which liberals are the one are pushing, pushing, pushing, ‘Let’s add more [African-American mass murderer] Colin Fergusons and more whoever the [Muslim] guy was who shot up Fort Hood.’ Why are they coming in to begin with?”

Coulter suggested that if President Barack Obama decided to use an executive order to ban high-capacity magazines then the next Republican president should respond by banning “abortionists and abortion clinics.”

570 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:40:11am

For Gus:

571 Amory Blaine  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:40:50am

As if Americas youth needs more reason to distrust our leaders. Armstrong should be ashamed of himself.

572 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:41:14am

Ex-boyfriend arrested after bomb threat at Lincoln County business

A Kings Mountain man is in jail Tuesday after authorities said he called a Lincoln County warehouse claiming he’d placed explosives in the building.

But authorities say a sweep of the building found no explosives. And a worker at the facility says the suspect was an ex-boyfriend who had been trying to get her fired.

Lincoln County deputies arrested 29-year-old Chris Carl Lee at his home early Tuesday. He is charged with one felony count of making a false report of a bomb, and was being held in jail under a $100,000 secured bond.

I don’t think he’s going to get her back.

573 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:42:00am

re: #570 wrenchwench

For Gus:

[Embedded content]

Two for the price of one. Lame old WH press corps and Lance.

574 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:42:12am

re: #569 Kragar

Guns offer equal opportunity tragedies. More than 8,000 white Americans had to be treated for nonfatal gun injuries in 2008. Eighty percent of those who commit suicide with a gun are white males. The gun that the suburban family buys to protect itself from “thugs killing thugs” ends up killing its own: One important new study finds that a gun kept in the house is 43 times more likely to kill a household member than to be used in self-defense.

575 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:44:34am

re: #569 Kragar

Anne, you crazy fucked up bitch…

Coulter: ‘Not a gun problem,’ U.S. has ‘demographic problem’ with non-whites

I notice that Anne, more and more, doesn’t seem to be afraid of showing just how racist she really is.

576 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:45:25am

re: #574 lawhawk

Not sure how he meant that, but conservatism is based on blaming all problems downward on the lower (hated) classes.

One can see the reason they don’t look UPWARD at government etc for solutions from what they learned from religion. In religion you are supposed to revere God, but you’d be a fool to expect prayer to actually solve any problems - so failure always has to be blamed downward never up.

577 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:46:15am

Knife Attacker Mistook Deaf Man Terrance Daniels’ Sign Language for Gang Gestures

A deaf man who was communicating with a friend using sign language was stabbed numerous times when his assailant mistook the signing for gang gestures.

Police said that 45-year-old Terrance Daniels, of Burlington, was communicating with a deaf friend on the street in Burlington, North Carolina, when defendant Robert Neal misunderstood his gestures and took them for a gang signal.

The 22-year-old man attacked Daniels with a kitchen knife, said police. Daniels was found on a grass verge with multiple wounds to his upper body.

“My voice is gone from me screaming, ‘stop, stop leave that man alone’,” witness Candace Gerrington told MyFox8.com.

Daniels was flown to the trauma centre at the University of North Carolina, where he remains in stable condition.

578 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:46:15am

re: #575 Targetpractice

Racism is, as Charles says, a business model.

579 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:46:36am

KY sheriff vowed to defy gun laws because 2nd Amendment is ‘like the Bible’

A Kentucky sheriff who refused to enforce any new gun laws that he deemed unconstitutional says that the Second Amendment is “like the Bible” because “you either believe it or you don’t.”

In a recent interview with The Lexington Herald-Leader, Jackson County Sheriff Denny Peyman said that he had a “moral obligation” to defy any new executive orders from President Barack Obama or laws passed by Congress if they restricted the Constitutional right to bear arms.

“I swore an oath to the Constitution,” Peyman explained to Fox News host Greta Van Susteren on Monday. “And in the Constitution is the Second Amendment and that’s what this country is based upon. How can I rightfully in my own mind and in my heart come in and take guns away from people when that is their protection?”

This Sheriff is a fucking idiot who should be kept far away from actual law enforcement matters.

580 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:46:38am

I guess there isn’t any other work for them right now.

581 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:46:59am

re: #574 lawhawk

I have to admit I’m uncomfortable with the focus on mass shootings contrasted with the relative lack of attention of urban gun crime and gang related violence. The very young die in these gunfights with stray rounds far too often. And that is a concentration of the most powerful guns illegally held.

It’s not right to ignore the everyday tragedies that are a drip drip pace of death and go nuts over a mass shooting.

582 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:47:06am

re: #578 stabby

Racism is, as Charles says, a business model.

One that Anne has used to make millions selling her books.

583 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:48:22am

re: #580 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I guess there isn’t any other work for them right now.

Nope, no other pressing matters for the Congress.

584 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:00am
At which point, Americans will have two choices: either to hole up in heavily armed compounds à la Waco and Ruby Ridge or to peacefully protest and resist.

Because bunching up in the face of modern artillery just makes so much sense.

585 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:28am

Father of the Year nominee!
//

Father, son get prison for attacks against blacks

LOS ANGELES—A father and son have been sentenced to prison following convictions in a sweeping federal racketeering case in which prosecutors accused them as racist gang members who conspired to attack black people to force them out of a Southern California bedroom community.

Dozens of suspects were convicted in the case that marked the Justice Department’s first time combining civil rights statutes with racketeering and drug laws to take on racially motivated gang activity, federal prosecutors said.

Santiago Rios, 48, who authorities said was the leader of an Azusa gang that took orders from the prison-based Mexican Mafia, was sentenced Monday to nearly 20 years in prison. His son, Louis Rios, 22, got 10 years.

They had pleaded guilty to conspiring to attack black people in a campaign to push them out of the city some 25 miles east of downtown Los Angeles.

The father and son were among 49 others suspected of being Azusa gang members and arrested in 2011 on charges they conspired to target and harass black residents for a decade. All the defendants have been convicted, and eight are still awaiting sentencing.

586 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:36am

re: #580 jaunte

Next, they’ll read through the bible instead of raising the debt ceiling.

587 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:49:50am

re: #581 Political Atheist

I have to admit I’m uncomfortable with the focus on mass shootings contrasted with the relative lack of attention of urban gun crime and gang related violence. The very young die in these gunfights with stray rounds far too often. And that is a concentration of the most powerful guns illegally held.

It’s not right to ignore the everyday tragedies that are a drip drip pace of death and go nuts over a mass shooting.

The problem isn’t that we focus on mass shootings and ignore gang violence.

It’s that we ignore the gun accidents and homicides involving legal gun owners and pretend that those issues don’t exist.

588 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:51:37am

re: #587 Lidane

The problem isn’t that we focus on mass shootings and ignore gang violence.

It’s that we ignore the gun accidents and homicides involving legal gun owners and pretend that those issues don’t exist.

Gun accidents are a modern issue, completely caused by liberals

Barton: There Were No Gun Accidents During the Founding Era

589 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:51:56am

re: #580 jaunte

Political theater. Reading is not comprehension. Clearly. Because you’ve got idiot GOPers threatening impeachment for the political idea of the President using his executive order power to tighten existing gun control laws. First Amendment and all that is out the window when it serves them and ignoring that the Second on its face indicates regulation is part of the framework.

And it also means that they can still delay voting on the Sandy aid package that has to be brought to the floor for a vote in the House. You know - like a more pressing matter to Sandy victims who are waiting more than 70+ days since the storm hit (as compared to 10 days for Katrina; 17 days for Gustav, and 31 days for Andrew).

590 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:53:31am

re: #581 Political Atheist

I have to admit I’m uncomfortable with the focus on mass shootings contrasted with the relative lack of attention of urban gun crime and gang related violence. The very young die in these gunfights with stray rounds far too often. And that is a concentration of the most powerful guns illegally held.

It’s not right to ignore the everyday tragedies that are a drip drip pace of death and go nuts over a mass shooting.

It’s similar to the comparison to the reaction between an airliner crash and everyday car accidents.

591 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:53:44am

re: #588 Kragar

Gun accidents are a modern issue, completely caused by liberals

Barton: There Were No Gun Accidents During the Founding Era

Should ask Barton what the steps are for firing a flintlock, and then ask him what the equivalent steps are for a modern weapon.
/

592 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:54:14am

re: #588 Kragar

Gun accidents are a modern issue, completely caused by liberals

Barton: There Were No Gun Accidents During the Founding Era

Because a Brown Bess black powder musket operates exactly the same as a Colt M4 carbine.

593 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:54:50am

re: #587 Lidane

The gun accident rate has been on a very long decline. And guess who works the hardest to promote gun safety? NRA, NSSF & shooting ranges etc.

Do you have any links that show the relative numbers of gun homicides from the legal owner vs illegally held guns?

594 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:56:18am

re: #579 Kragar

KY sheriff vowed to defy gun laws because 2nd Amendment is ‘like the Bible’

This Sheriff is a fucking idiot who should be kept far away from actual law enforcement matters.

We have the right to live and interpret the Bible as we see fit…as long as it does not clash with the way that the Supreme Court interprets the Constitution.

595 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:57:19am

re: #590 Gus

It’s similar to the comparison to the reaction between an airliner crash and everyday car accidents.

Another similarity-With cars guns and planes the only acceptable accident rate is zero. Until then the voices for further investigation/regulation/technical advances will not stop.

596 gwangung  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:57:33am

re: #580 jaunte

[Embedded content]

I guess there isn’t any other work for them right now.

Pious Pharisees, mouthing words they don’t understand.

597 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:57:44am

re: #588 Kragar

Gun accidents are a modern issue, completely caused by liberals

Barton: There Were No Gun Accidents During the Founding Era

Probably wrong, but I’m sure if called on it he’ll hairsplit the issue.

From the wikipedia page on the Whiskey Rebellion:

Liberty poles were raised in various places as the militia was recruited, worrying federal officials. A liberty pole was raised in Carlisle, Pennsylvania, on September 11.[89] When the federalized militia arrived in that town later that month, suspected pole-raisers were rounded up. Two civilians were killed in these operations. On September 29, an unarmed boy was shot by an officer whose pistol accidentally fired. Two days later, a man was stabbed to death by a soldier while resisting arrest. President Washington ordered the arrest of the two soldiers and had them turned over to civilian authorities. A state judge determined the deaths had been accidental, and the soldiers were released.[90]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

598 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 10:57:47am

Coburn: Debt ceiling breach is ‘a wonderful experiment’ to shut down ‘stupid things’

During a Tuesday interview with conservative talk show host Sandy Rios, Coburn insisted that only “stupid things” would be shut down if the the debt ceiling was not raised.

“We’re going to collect $200 billion a month if in fact the government were to not extend the debt limit,” he insisted. “Social Security would be paid, Medicare would be paid, the essentials would be paid; it’s the non-essentials that wouldn’t be paid, it’s the $250-300 billion a year in stupid things we do that we wouldn’t pay, it’s the programs that aren’t an absolute necessity that wouldn’t get funded, the things that would be a necessity would get funded.”

Another wonderful experiment to shut down stupid things would be for the GOP to shut the fuck up and let the President actually enact his ideas and plans.

599 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:00:13am

Gingrich: “No one is going to default, but the president’s a bully for not letting us win.”

Former Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich says that House Republicans can’t win a fight to cut spending by holding the debt ceiling hostage because President Barack Obama is “going out of his way to bully” them.

“In the end it’s a threat they can’t sustain,” Gingrich told CBS on Tuesday. “No one is going to default, no one is going to allow the United States to not pay its bills, no one is going to accept the economic costs. It rallies the entire business community to the president’s side.”

Raw Story ([Link: s.tt…]

600 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:00:27am

re: #598 Kragar

Coburn: Debt ceiling breach is ‘a wonderful experiment’ to shut down ‘stupid things’

Another wonderful experiment to shut down stupid things would be for the GOP to shut the fuck up and let the President actually enact his ideas and plans.

And I’m sure “Dr. No” is the ideal person to follow regarding what operations in the Federal government deserve priority.

601 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:00:52am

re: #599 jaunte

Gingrich: “No one is going to default, but the president’s a bully for not letting us win.”

Raw Story ([Link: s.tt…]

Bully! Drink!

602 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:00:59am

Sure enough:

====>@Stellasasha1 BLOCK VISHUS BABISHKA TEH RUSSKI KOMMUNISTY LINKED TO LIBRUL SNOAPS!1!<====

603 Robert O.  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:01:55am

As part of the healing process, Lance Armstrong has agreed to use his remaining influence to found a new charity: Liestrong.

604 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:01:58am

re: #602 Vicious Babushka

Sure enough:

====>@Stellasasha1 BLOCK VISHUS BABISHKA TEH RUSSKI KOMMUNISTY LINKED TO LIBRUL SNOAPS!1!====<

You need to start selling high capacity items in the Mall in order to prove your conservative credentials.

605 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:02:05am

re: #602 Vicious Babushka

Sure enough:

====>@Stellasasha1 BLOCK VISHUS BABISHKA TEH RUSSKI KOMMUNISTY LINKED TO LIBRUL SNOAPS!1!<====

Is that even English???
/

606 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:02:05am

btw, according to Stalker Site, our blog is dying.

Does anybody here feel weak?

607 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:03:12am

re: #606 Sol Berdinowitz

btw, according to Stalker Site, our blog is dying.

Does anybody here feel weak?

I’m melting…meeellltttiiinnnggg…

609 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:04:01am

re: #602 Vicious Babushka

Sure enough:

====>@Stellasasha1 BLOCK VISHUS BABISHKA TEH RUSSKI KOMMUNISTY LINKED TO LIBRUL SNOAPS!1!<====

They’re hopelessly dumb.

610 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:04:07am

re: #602 Vicious Babushka

I suppose it wouldn’t occur to her to check the facts with the Brady campaign, all by herself.

611 stabby  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:06:22am

re: #599 jaunte

Gingrich: “No one is going to default, but the president’s a bully for not letting us win.”

… “No one is going to default, no one is going to allow the United States to not pay its bills, no one is going to accept the economic costs. It rallies the entire business community to the president’s side.”

Raw Story ([Link: s.tt…]

I’m gonna post this again. Maybe I should make it a page. People here are ignoring a very important story, to wit:

Last time the Treasury said that it DOES NOT have the authority to prioritize debts and is required to pay debts in the order they were received/came due, first in, first out.

also see here:
[Link: www.law.harvard.edu…]

612 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:06:24am

re: #610 jaunte

I suppose it wouldn’t occur to her to check the facts with the Brady campaign, all by herself.

I WUDNT GOE 2 BADY THEIR A BUNCH UF LUBRUL COMMUNISTZ!1!

613 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:06:42am

re: #606 Sol Berdinowitz

btw, according to Stalker Site, our blog is dying.

Does anybody here feel weak?

I was chalking that up to not having lunch yet.

614 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:07:45am

All of #TGDN is totally convinced that tomorrow is the day OBUMA INVOKES EGZEKUTIV ORDERZ 2 TAEK AWAY UR GUNNZ!1!

615 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:08:00am

Tea Party Nation: Colin Powell Needs ‘To Get His Alzheimer’s Treated Already’

Tea Party Nation president Judson Phillips emailed members an article yesterday entitled, “What The F#@$ Is Up With Colin Powell?” by tea party activist John Wiseman that asks Powell’s family to “get his Alzheimer’s treated already.” He said Powell is “hypocritical” for criticizing intolerance in the Republican Party since he worked for several Republican administrations before he “began drinking the liberal kool aid.”

Judson Phillips: “The discourse coming from the political left for years has been nothing more than ad hominems, straw men, non sequiturs, and the lowest form of divisive class warfare.”

616 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:08:27am

re: #598 Kragar

Let’s see Coburn experiment with that idea with his own creditors. I doubt they’d stand for his nonpayment of credit card bills or outstanding mortgage payments. They’d be on him in a jiffy. His credit rating would get dinged, and he’d eventually have to settle up. Even if he was doing so to try and get more favorable terms on his debt, he’d still get hit on a credit downgrade.

And while he could declare bankruptcy, the federal government has no such mechanism.

617 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:09:11am

re: #614 Vicious Babushka

All of #TGDN is totally convinced that tomorrow is the day OBUMA INVOKES EGZEKUTIV ORDERZ 2 TAEK AWAY UR GUNNZ!1!

618 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:09:47am

re: #606 Sol Berdinowitz

btw, according to Stalker Site, our blog is dying.

Does anybody here feel weak?

Just a little nauseous—every time the stalkers are mentioned here.

619 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 8:09:56pm

re: #534 Targetpractice

Chinese cars are being sold here in the US?

While the Trump hairpiece means something different, the Chinese so far are not selling entire cars in the USA … yet. They want to, though. For now, the Chinese manufacture some of the parts that make up a car.

Is Trump aware that several foreign automakers happen to build cars in the USA to sell in the USA? It’s a logical cost benefit — a business decision, which Trump as an alleged businessman should know.


This article has been archived.
Comments are closed.

^ back to top ^

TwitterFacebook

Turn off all ads for a full year by subscribing!
For about 33 cents a day (per month) or 22 cents a day (per year), our subscription option turns off all advertisements at LGF!
Read more...

► LGF Headlines

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Articles

  • Loading...

► Tweeted Pages

  • Loading...

► Top 10 Comments

  • Loading...

► Bottom Comments

  • Loading...

► Recent Comments

  • Loading...

► Tools/Info

► Tag Cloud

► Contact

You must have Javascript enabled to use the contact form.
Your email:

Subject:

Message:


Messages may be published unless you request otherwise.
Tech Note:
Using the Contact Form
LGF Pages

This button leads to the main index of LGF Pages, our user-submitted articles. You can post your own LGF Pages simply by registering a free account with us.

Create a Page

This is the LGF Pages posting bookmarklet. To use it, drag this button to your browser's bookmark bar, and title it 'LGF Pages' (or whatever you like). Then browse to a site you want to post, select some text on the page to use for a quote, click the bookmarklet, and the Pages posting window will appear with the title, text, and any embedded video or audio files already filled in, ready to go.

Or... you can just click this button to open the Pages posting window right away.

Last updated: 2014-03-07 2:19 pm PST

LGF User's Guide
Recent Pages
Randall Gross
Lawsuit Targets Ford, GM Over Song-Ripping CD Players in Cars
A new music copyright lawsuit against U.S. car manufacturers may be one of the more puzzling rearguard actions fought by the U.S. recording industry in recent memory. The lawsuit has set its sights on Ford and GM for selling ...

8 hours, 29 minutes ago
Views: 114 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
CriticalDragon1177
Skepchick - Food is for White Liberals What Sex Is For The Religious Right
An interesting commentary by Julia Burke, on the obsession some people on the far left have with food, and how it is similar to how some people on right feel about sex. Do you agree? Do you think the analogy ...

2 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 447 • Comments: 11
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 1
EiMitch
Cracked: 5 Reasons The Classic American Summer is Totally Dead
They could've called this article "Look at how 'supply-side' economics, anti-environmentalism, and all-around pro-oligarch legislation and ideology has destroyed some of the most iconic, classic Americana." cracked.com Oh, and gentrification-based laws are also robbing us of the classic ice-cream truck ...

2 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 336 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 3
_RememberTonyC
Qatar, Bergdahl, and Hamas
One thing we have learned in the current conflict is that Hamas has three main sponsors: Turkey, Iran, and Qatar. So when Bergdahl was released and the five taliban bigs were released into the "custody" of Qatar, we basically handed ...

3 days, 7 hours ago
Views: 261 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Skip Intro
Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

4 days, 18 hours ago
Views: 258 • Comments: 1
Tweets: 4 • Rating: 3
Rightwingconspirator
Washington, D.C., Handgun Carry Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional
I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

5 days, 13 hours ago
Views: 612 • Comments: 97
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 6
Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

1 week ago
Views: 568 • Comments: 12
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 5
FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

1 week ago
Views: 476 • Comments: 2
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 1
Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

1 week, 3 days ago
Views: 317 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 0 • Rating: 0
BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 5 days ago
Views: 509 • Comments: 0
Tweets: 1 • Rating: 1
 Frank says:

Sometimes you got to get sick before you can feel better.