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Man Who Helped Sandy Hook Kids Is Harassed by Conspiracy Theorists

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A man who found six children in his driveway in Newtown, Conn., after their teacher had been shot and killed in last month’s school massacre has become the target of conspiracy theorists who believe the shootings were staged.

“I don’t know what to do,” Gene Rosen told salon.com. “I’m getting hang-up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘How much am I being paid?’”

Rosen, a 69-year-old retired psychologist who lives near Sandy Hook Elementary School where the shootings took place, says his inbox is filled with emails like this one:

How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?

“The quantity of the material is overwhelming,” Rosen said, adding that he’s sought the advice of a retired state police officer and plans to alert the FBI.

On the morning of Dec. 14, Rosen had just finished feeding his cats when he saw six small children “sitting in a neat semicircle” at the end of his driveway. According to the Associated Press:

A school bus driver was standing over them, telling them things would be all right. It was about 9:30 a.m., and the children, he discovered, had just run from the school to escape a gunman.

“We can’t go back to school,” one little boy told Rosen. “Our teacher is dead.”

Adam Lanza, the 20-year-old gunman, had shot his way into the school and opened fire, killing 20 children and six adults.

Rosen took the four girls and two boys—students of slain teacher Victoria Soto—into his home, gave them toys and comforted them while he tried to reach their parents. He spent the days following the massacre telling his story to the swarming media that invaded the small Connecticut town in the wake of the shootings.

“I wanted to speak about the bravery of the children,” Rosen told Salon. “I guess I kind of opened myself up to this.”

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1 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:25:14am
“I wanted to speak about the bravery of the children,” Rosen told Salon. “I guess I kind of opened myself up to this.”

Yeah, doing the decent thing is near fatal in Wingnut America now.

2 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:29:26am

This is very distressing. And sickening.

3 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:38:00am

Bloody hell.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:38:29am

As we often see in tragedies like this one, they bring out the best of us, people like Mr. Rosen and the worst of us, people like the ones harassing him.

5 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:40:19am

Fucking Truthers.

6 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:40:32am
7 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:40:38am

re: #4 HappyWarrior

Of course, only The Left bullies people. //

8 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:41:01am

No significant event can go unremarked upon without having a conspiracy theory being born online minutes after said event occurs.

There is a special place in hell for people who propagate these kinds of conspiracies. They’re making life for Gene Rosen, a genuine hero who helped get kids to safety, a living hell.

Kudos to Rosen, and a hale and hearty [deleted] to the conspiracy mongers.

9 Interesting Times  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:41:51am
10 iossarian  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:41:59am

re: #7 Bulworth

Of course, only The Left bullies people. //

Taking action against bullies is the worst form of bullying!

11 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:42:18am

I hate conspiracy theorists.

12 Jolo5309  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:42:29am

As a friend of mine said when I told him this:

Jesus fuck

I cannot think of anything more.

13 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:42:40am

re: #8 lawhawk

I hope this guy is able to get the support he needs to get through this.

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:42:52am

I lay this shit at the feet of Wayne LaPierre, the NRA, and their fellow travelers who have spent years preaching that the government is coming for everybody’s guns.

15 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:43:16am
16 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:44:06am

re: #14 Targetpractice

I lay this shit at the feet of Wayne LaPierre, the NRA, and their fellow travelers who have spent years preaching that the government is coming for everybody’s guns.

Amen

17 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:44:31am

re: #13 Bulworth

I hope so, and I hope those in Newtown are able to rally around him.

18 jaunte  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:44:40am

For any #tgdn visitors:

19 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:45:32am

I hope Secret Service is keeping an eye on #tgdn

20 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:45:41am

So, Obama had 20 kids and 6 teachers slaughtered so he could come steal your guns. Which still entails trying to pass legislation through what is probably the worst legislature assembled in the history of this nation.

Really?

I pray that if they instill mental health checks on gun buyers that they include internet histories and exclude these despicable globs of cellular goo. Deranged dumbshits.

21 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:46:17am

re: #15 lawhawk

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Free Market bitchez!/

22 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:47:01am

re: #18 jaunte

For any #tgdn visitors:

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He should have quoted those living in Syria.

23 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:47:23am

re: #20 Ghost of Tom Joad

So, Obama had 20 kids and 6 teachers slaughtered so he could come steal your guns. Which still entails trying to pass legislation through what is probably the worst legislature assembled in the history of this nation.

Really?

I pray that if they instill mental health checks on gun buyers that they include internet histories and exclude these despicable globs of cellular goo. Deranged dumbshits.

Bah, Obama’s still a lightweight. Bush killed 3000 people just to sell us on two wars.

///^nth

24 iossarian  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:47:25am

re: #21 Ghost of Tom Joad

Free Market bitchez!/

Lol. Conservatives love them some free market until they’re on the sharp end of it.

25 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:47:54am

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

How is VikingBubba able to tweet if he’s in Twitter Gulag? /

26 erik_t  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:48:18am

It didn’t even take six months for the right wing to come up with a more disgusting, exploitative and hateful conspiracy theory than whatever-Benghazi.

That’s… really something.

27 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:48:45am

re: #15 lawhawk

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The first commenter gets it exactly right, it’s only “price gouging” when prices are jacked up in the face of or immediately after an emergency. “Obama’s coming for my guns!!!” is not an emergency.

28 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:49:11am

re: #24 iossarian

Lol. Conservatives love them some free market until they’re on the sharp end of it.

They love most things until they have to either pay for it or suffer from it.

29 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:49:25am

re: #25 Bulworth

How is VikingBubba able to tweet if he’s in Twitter Gulag? /

This is RadioTGDN from pirate satellite, Orbiting your living room, Cashing in the bill of rights

30 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:52:28am

What the fuck.

31 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:53:53am

This has them in a tizzy…

Obama to unveil broad gun plans Wednesday

President Obama will unveil a sweeping set of gun-control proposals at midday Wednesday, including an assault weapons ban, universal background checks and limits on the number of bullets that ammunition clips can hold, according to sources familiar with the plans.

Emphasis mine. Now, repeat after me wingnuts, proposal…

1. the act of proposing
2. something proposed, as a plan

32 Tars Tarkas  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:54:03am

I don’t know, these Sandy Hook Truthers seem pretty legit to me:

I concluded based on my story, that I am the New Age Messiah, and have since been “New Age Messiah” on line.

I am the only person in the world to solve LOST, and the Goddess who spoke to me appears in the show.

[Link: www.sandyhookhoax.com…]

33 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:55:21am

re: #32 Tars Tarkas

I don’t know, these Sandy Hook Truthers seem pretty legit to me:

[Link: www.sandyhookhoax.com…]

It’s like timecube!

34 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:56:08am

re: #31 Gus

This has them in a tizzy…

Obama to unveil broad gun plans Wednesday

Emphasis mine. Now, repeat after me wingnuts, proposal…

TEH MARKSIST KENNIAN TRATER IZ COMIN FER YR GUNNZ!1! LETS SHOW EM BENGAZZY!1!

35 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:56:20am

re: #20 Ghost of Tom Joad

So, Obama had 20 kids and 6 teachers slaughtered so he could come steal your guns. Which still entails trying to pass legislation through what is probably the worst legislature assembled in the history of this nation.

Really?

I pray that if they instill mental health checks on gun buyers that they include internet histories and exclude these despicable globs of cellular goo. Deranged dumbshits.

Wasn’t there a Hulu commercial during a Superbowl a few years back where it was revealed that Alec Baldwin was an alien and TV shows were designed to convert our brains into tasty tapioca for their dining pleasure? I am beginning to think that we’re about ready to be served.
//

36 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:57:52am

re: #31 Gus

If only there was well-financed, well-organized gun rights organization to oppose laws such as these, and any other gun restriction laws. If only….

/

37 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:58:21am

re: #32 Tars Tarkas

I don’t know, these Sandy Hook Truthers seem pretty legit to me:

[Link: www.sandyhookhoax.com…]

WTF, there’s a website for this stupidity? Wow, talk about a slap in the face to those young children who will never enjoy a full life, or the parents who won’t see them grow up, nor the brave teachers who positively impacted hundreds to thousands of childrens’ lives.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:58:43am

re: #36 Bulworth

If only there was well-financed, well-organizedregulated gun rights organization to oppose laws such as these, and any other gun restriction laws. If only….

/

FTFY. ;)

39 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:58:54am

re: #34 Vicious Babushka

FAST AND FURIOUS GARBLE GARBLE BENGHAZI KENYAN MARXIST GARBLE GARBLE GUN GRABING LIBTARDS. REVOLT NOW PATRIOTS!! #TCOT #TGDN #OCRA #OPSLAM

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:59:25am
41 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:59:28am

re: #37 Ghost of Tom Joad

WTF, there’s a website for this stupidity? Wow, talk about a slap in the face to those young children who will never enjoy a full life, or the parents who won’t see them grow up, nor the brave teachers who positively impacted hundreds to thousands of childrens’ lives.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”

I gather this person is not gainfully employed and has time to spare for this crap?

42 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:59:46am

re: #27 Targetpractice

Except that to these extremists, it is an emergency.

43 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 11:59:47am

re: #37 Ghost of Tom Joad

WTF, there’s a website for this stupidity? Wow, talk about a slap in the face to those young children who will never enjoy a full life, or the parents who won’t see them grow up, nor the brave teachers who positively impacted hundreds to thousands of childrens’ lives.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”

Chode gobbling assmonkeys comes close.

44 Destro  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:00:03pm

This is fucking maddening.

45 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:00:05pm

re: #39 Gus

So the Hamburgler got Mad Cow disease and is now Tweeting. Wonderful.

46 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:01:27pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Fuck that guy sideways with a 2x4 and no lube.

I want him to call Sandy Hook a false flag operation in front of the fathers of those children that got murdered.

47 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:01:45pm

re: #41 Bulworth

I gather this person is not gainfully employed and has time to spare for this crap?

Probably a liberal who got the bright idea that they could sit down and make a bundle by creating their own conspiracy theory and website to flog it on.

It’s not personal, just business.

48 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:02:05pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

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Patriot!

Yeah, the right wing has morphed into something not unlike 9/11 truthers.

49 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:02:17pm

re: #39 Gus

They’re tying all the conspiracies into one vast web. Still missing the repeal of DADT and the Lilly Ledbetter act, but we’re coming close.

50 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:02:40pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

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Seriously? Fucking seriously?

51 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:03:51pm

re: #43 Kragar

Chode gobbling assmonkeys comes close.

Heh. I like that. I call them McFuckshitmeisters.

52 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:03:57pm

re: #48 Gus

Patriot!

Yeah, the right wing has morphed into something not unlike 9/11 truthers.

When you stare too long into the derp, the derp stares back.

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:05:17pm

re: #49 Ghost of Tom Joad

They’re tying all the conspiracies into one vast web. Still missing the repeal of DADT and the Lilly Ledbetter act, but we’re coming close.

It’s not part of The Plan until they involve the Knights Templars though.
/

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:05:25pm
55 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:05:49pm

re: #49 Ghost of Tom Joad

They’re tying all the conspiracies into one vast web. Still missing the repeal of DADT and the Lilly Ledbetter act, but we’re coming close.

Ah, yes, the eternally elusive Unified Conspiracy Field Theory. Where all the conspiracies EVER come together in one metaconspiracy. And then it will make perfect sense.

56 Tars Tarkas  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:06:18pm

re: #37 Ghost of Tom Joad

WTF, there’s a website for this stupidity? Wow, talk about a slap in the face to those young children who will never enjoy a full life, or the parents who won’t see them grow up, nor the brave teachers who positively impacted hundreds to thousands of childrens’ lives.

“There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men for this treachery.”

There is a 30 minute video called Sandy Hook Exposed that’s making the rounds as well, I can’t watch videos at work or I’d look for it too.

57 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:07:19pm

re: #33 Varek Raith

Get thee a Pandorica.

58 Skip Intro  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:07:41pm

This explains everything.

Image: pg0ZH.jpg

Not convinced? Well, then, how about this?

Image: Massacre_Teotihuacan_Sandy_Hook_Stonhege.jpg

Pictures make everything so clear.

59 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:08:14pm

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes, the eternally elusive Unified Conspiracy Field Theory. Where all the conspiracies EVER come together in one metaconspiracy. And then it will make perfect sense.

The true grand conspiracy: There is no conspiracy, you aren’t important enough for any to bother trying to fool about anything. You’re just a pathetic loser with delusions of grandeur.

They hate being reminded of that.

60 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:08:53pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

This explains everything.

Image: pg0ZH.jpg

Not convinced? Well, then, how about this?

Image: Massacre_Teotihuacan_Sandy_Hook_Stonhege.jpg

Pictures make everything so clear.

Uh oh. According to that first image it seems as though the Pentagon is involved as well.

61 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:09:06pm

At some point, all of this bullshit has to hit a boiling point. There’s just no way all of this mass manufactured hysteria doesn’t lead to some sort of plot along the lines of the Oklahoma City bombing. A plethora of ammunition and weapons are being purchased and hoarded, an economy which is still somewhat in a downswing, and every paranoid fear the right-wingers have seemingly coming true. Of course, it’s all perpetuated by that evil ni-CLANG in the Whitehouse.

/Shudders

62 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:09:11pm

re: #59 Kragar

The true grand conspiracy: There is no conspiracy, you aren’t important enough for any to bother trying to fool about anything. You’re just a pathetic loser with delusions of grandeur.

They hate being reminded of that.

There’s gotta be a meaning to it! I can’t just being seeing this shit because I want to see it!!!

///

63 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:09:40pm

re: #62 Targetpractice

There’s gotta be a meaning to it! I can’t just being seeing this shit because I want to see it!!!

///

You need to go derper.

64 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:09:59pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

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65 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:20pm

re: #63 Kragar

You need to go derper.

Derpception!

66 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:23pm

OBAMA STOLE TEH ELEKSHUN!!11TY #TCOT #TGDN #WAR #OCRA #OPSLAM #PATRIOTS #PROGUN #GOD #PATRIOTS #ACORNZ

Garble, garble.

67 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:29pm

And now, to add importance to any grand conspiracy…

[Link: inception.davepedu.com…]

68 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:40pm

re: #64 Gus

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Where was that fucker 12 years ago?

69 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:45pm

re: #48 Gus

Patriot!

Yeah, the right wing has morphed into something not unlike 9/11 truthers.

No, the 9/11 truthers did not have a lobby and an advocacy group pushing a political agenda.

They were always seen as a bunch of tin-hatted whackos.

But I am glad to see that these fellows are taking extreme gun fetishism into the same corner of left field as the other whack-job conspiracy theorists

70 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:11:59pm

re: #64 Gus

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Should tell Jimmy to get the purty blonde lady to run to the Election Command Center and check on it!

/Karl Rove on election night.

71 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:12:03pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Derpception!

See #67

72 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:12:14pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Derpception!

A Derp within a derp.

73 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:12:19pm

re: #64 Gus

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Jimmy Derp can’t even spell his own name.

74 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:12:31pm

re: #55 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes, the eternally elusive Unified Conspiracy Field Theory. Where all the conspiracies EVER come together in one metaconspiracy. And then it will make perfect sense.

Is that what the *cough* scientists at Bob Jones University are working on?

75 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:13:13pm

Finally found a map of what Israel is will to “settle” for with Palestine.

So, from what I can tell, Israel keeps the best land, and the water associated with it, and in exchange Palestine gets worthless Desert. In addition, the Muslim and Christian Palestinians have trust Israel to preserve the mosques on the Temple Mount, and the Cathedral in Jerusalem.

We saw how well trusting another group with a site worked with Babri Mosque in India, and the Copts had a large chunk of their property given to the the Ethiopian Orthodox Church in punishment for being Egyptian.

I can see why Palestinians are ticked off. They are being shoved into the most desolate areas, being given virtually worthless land in exchange for the fertile land they are losing, and are being asked to trust Israel on the Temple Mount, even though the Price Tag attacks on Mosques and Churches get slaps on the wrist.

76 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:13:18pm

I was looking for clues about upcoming gun control proposals

Obama to unveil gun violence measures Wednesday

Children from around the country who wrote letters to the president expressing concern about gun violence and school safety were to attend the event with their parents.

I could do without the theatrics.

77 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:14:25pm

Thanks for the promotion.

I really think the conspira-liars have gone too far this time. Vile accusations against government officials are one thing, similarly victimizing grief-stricken parents is something else again.

These people are true sociopaths, devoid of empathy or even shame.

I have said before that I think we are in the early stages of a surge in human evolution. Human life has changed with breathtaking speed in recent centuries, even within my life-time. A great many atavistic traits and behaviors that were tolerable, if not exactly beneficial, in earlier stages of development have now become existential threats. The loathsome sadism and infantile power-seeking of the conspiracy liars are examples. The natural response will be what it has been for a billion years, those traits will be eliminated.

78 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:14:50pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I was looking for clues about upcoming gun control proposals

Obama to unveil gun violence measures Wednesday

I could do without the theatrics.

It’s the Drama that keeps us at the current status quo. Once it dies down, the crowd is off to the next drama and meaning full policy change is ignored. Until, the next school shooting.

79 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:15:18pm

re: #75 ProBosniaLiberal

5, 4, 3-Why do you hate the Israelis you anti-Semite!

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:16:05pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks for the promotion.

I really think the conspira-liars have gone too far this time. Vile accusations against government officials are one thing, similarly victimizing grief-stricken parents is something else again.

These people are true sociopaths, devoid of empathy or even shame.

I have said before that I think we are in the early stages of a surge in human evolution. Human life has changed with breathtaking speed in recent centuries, even within my life-time. A great many atavistic traits and behaviors that were tolerable, if not exactly beneficial, in earlier stages of development have now become existential threats. The loathsome sadism and infantile power-seeking of the conspiracy liars are examples. The natural response will be what it has been for a billion years, those traits will be eliminated.

Cultural traits have little or nothing to do with actual evolution, though.

81 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:16:40pm

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks for the promotion.

I really think the conspira-liars have gone too far this time. Vile accusations against government officials are one thing, similarly victimizing grief-stricken parents is something else again.

These people are true sociopaths, devoid of empathy or even shame.

I have said before that I think we are in the early stages of a surge in human evolution. Human life has changed with breathtaking speed in recent centuries, even within my life-time. A great many atavistic traits and behaviors that were tolerable, if not exactly beneficial, in earlier stages of development have now become existential threats. The loathsome sadism and infantile power-seeking of the conspiracy liars are examples. The natural response will be what it has been for a billion years, those traits will be eliminated.

Homo Sapien is sapien because he said “I am” (well, really he said, I have a pee pee, isn’t it awesome)

With the stress on the “I”. (in both cases)

82 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:16:46pm

re: #79 Ghost of Tom Joad

I was neutral until October 3rd of last year.

Right now, I am waiting for a 3rd Palestinian Party to sweep out the Corrupt and Evil Fatah, and the Evil and Corrupt Hamas.

83 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:18:02pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I was looking for clues about upcoming gun control proposals

Obama to unveil gun violence measures Wednesday

I could do without the theatrics.

Because god for-fucking-bid people see the children and realize the costs and consequences of the agenda of the pro-gun lobby.

84 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:19:03pm

How the FUCK is this “Child Abuse”? These people are insane.

85 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:19:03pm

re: #83 Ghost of Tom Joad

Because god for-fucking-bid people see the children and realize the costs and consequences of the agenda of the pro-gun lobby.

I think it’s more important that THE CHILDREN see that the People of the United States (as represented by the POTUS) take it seriously.

86 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:19:21pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Homo Sapien is sapien because he said “I am” (well, really he said, I have a pee pee, isn’t it awesome)

With the stress on the “I”. (in both cases)

“The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why, and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question ‘How can we eat?’ the second by the question ‘Why do we eat?’ and the third by the question ‘Where shall we have lunch?”

87 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:20:28pm

re: #86 Kragar

“The History of every major Galactic Civilization tends to pass through three distinct and recognizable phases, those of Survival, Inquiry and Sophistication, otherwise known as the How, Why, and Where phases. For instance, the first phase is characterized by the question ‘How can we eat?’ the second by the question ‘Why do we eat?’ and the third by the question ‘Where shall we have lunch?”

Where does “romance” come in?

Are you sure it isn’t “Where can I eat”, What can I eat?

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:21:22pm

re: #85 FemNaziBitch

I think it’s more important that THE CHILDREN see that the People of the United States (as represented by the POTUS) take it seriously.

Definitely. It doesn’t take much for children to get the impression that they are growing up at the worst time ever in human history and get depressed over it. They need to have hope.

89 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:21:42pm

re: #87 FemNaziBitch

Where does “romance” come in?

“How do I get a mate?”
“Why do I seek a mate?”
“What club are we hitting tonight?”

90 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:22:07pm

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

Well, it’s child abuse just like when conservative tweeters spam they get locked out of Twitter, which is just like getting put in a Russian gulag. /

91 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:22:14pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Homo Sapien is sapien because he said “I am” (well, really he said, I have a pee pee, isn’t it awesome)

With the stress on the “I”. (in both cases)

My wife never appreciated it when I would stand naked in front of our fifth-floor apartment that faced the downtown banking district and shout “Eat this, Frankfurt!”

92 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:22:52pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Definitely. It doesn’t take much for children to get the impression that they are growing up at the worst time ever in human history and get depressed over it. They need to have hope.

I can’t think of anything that might give these children as sense of worth and safety more than seeing personally the POTUS announcing policy to keep them safe.

It’s horrible for any child not to fee secure. We owe it to these kids.

93 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:22:55pm

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

94 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:23:03pm

re: #84 Vicious Babushka

How the FUCK is this “Child Abuse”? These people are insane.

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Because Kenayn Socialist Usurper, that’s how.

95 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:23:46pm

re: #94 Lidane

Because Kenayn Socialist Usurper, that’s how.

BEN GAZZY!

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:24:04pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

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I can’t begin to quantify how much hatred I feel towards such fuckwits as that.

97 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:25:03pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

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It’s the moral judgement again —“innocent babies”.

We live on Earth, not on Heaven.

Our Government dispenses Earth’s Justice, not Heaven’s.

98 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:25:05pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

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We should prosecute ectopic pregnancies for murder.

99 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:25:34pm
100 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:25:54pm

re: #75 ProBosniaLiberal

Well that is a loaded post but lets discuss it. Much of the land in Israel was worthless desert. Some of the settlement areas (not all) were developed by the Israelis and that is what transformed them from being worthless desert to being homes for settlers. Others were settled specifically because Jerusalem could not be defended without controlling them. You seem to imagine Israel annexing previous lush jungle and pushing everything else into the desert. That is not how it is or was.

However, the quantum of land that is to be annexed to Israel vs. annexed to Palestine is and should be debated, as should the relative quality of said land, as should water rights which is clearly critical and is likely to be a real stumbling block.

As for Israel preserving mosques and cathedrals, Israel has done a pretty good job over the years doing just that. In fact when it took Jerusalem in the war, it gave control over the temple mount to the Waqf. It was an act we would certainly not see from any islamic government for Jewish relics in the area as you will no doubt agree. In fact for years the Waqf has been intentionally destroying evidence of the Jewish history of the temple mount. Moreover, the fact that the Islamic and Christian sites were deliberately built on the ruins of the destroyed Jewish temple should not be lost on you.

101 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:26:30pm

re: #83 Ghost of Tom Joad

Because god for-fucking-bid people see the children and realize the costs and consequences of the agenda of the pro-gun lobby.

But hey, KT’s concerned. Get the WH on the phone and cancel the kids.

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102 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:26:32pm

re: #99 Lidane

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Would hurt their bottom line.

103 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:26:34pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to quantify how much hatred I feel towards such fuckwits as that.

I could try, but Charles would have to ban me.

I’ll settle with saying they’re a bunch of self-righteous, sanctimonious, misogynist assholes.

104 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:27:07pm

re: #94 Lidane

Also, the sheriff president is near.

105 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:27:07pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

So because ‘abortion is genocide’ that means we can’t try to prevent gun tragedies at schools (and elsewhere)? Not sure what their point is.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:28:38pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Cultural traits have little or nothing to do with actual evolution, though.

I knew someone would say that. I think the same processes apply if those traits become a threat to survival. Civilization, and tribal life before it, depends on a certain level of cooperation and consensus. The conspira-liars are a serious threat to that, and they are symptomatic of a larger threat.
Compared to the long history of evolution, “culture” is a very new phenomenon. There is no reason to suppose that it, too, is not an aspect of evolution or affected by evolutionary principles. I would prefer to think of these traits as behaviors that are passed on by a process analogous to genetic inheritance, but not literally an example of it. It is a common observation, for example, that violent and aggressive parents have aggressive children. There are apparently some biological aspects to this but they are far less important than the behavioral ones.
In this society, sub-cultural affiliations often take the place of parents in fostering various behavioral traits. It may be speculative to say that these are subject to same evolutionary pressures as the purely biological, but I think the possibility is very strong that they are. In the broadest sense, evolution is about change in response to change.

107 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:29:24pm
108 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:29:46pm

Shit. Shooting at a school in St Louis. Gunman on the loose.

109 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:29:57pm

re: #75 ProBosniaLiberal

Israel has been in control of the Old City since 1967 and has guaranteed access to the holy sites as security situations dictate. It’s meant that the Christian sites have had uninterrupted access (except when various Christian sects rioted against each other over control of different parts of the Holy Sepulcher). The Temple Mount has had access limited at different times. Jews/Israelis have been prohibited for fear of causing incitement against Muslims. Muslims of certain age groups - teens/under 30 - have been limited because they were usually behind the attacks against Jews praying at the Western Wall.

On the whole, religious freedom is far more certain with Israel under control than under the prior Jordanian rule, when no Jew was permitted in the Old City, synagogues were blown up, and the Jewish holy sites and cemeteries were desecrated.

What you’re also missing is that most of the West Bank and Israel itself is desert. Tel Aviv and the coastal strip has more water and access to resources, but the interior is a high desert environment. The Jordan River Valley has important resources - most importantly water access from the Jordan River and minerals at the Dead Sea.

110 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:30:08pm

TOTALLY. OUT. OF. CONTROL.


111 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:30:13pm

re: #101 makeitstop

But hey, KT’s concerned. Get the WH on the phone and cancel the kids.

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I don’t like children as political props.

112 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:30:32pm

I would be more open to listen to their views on abortion if they didn’t also make the claims that condoms, contraceptives, or any other form of birth control should be withheld because of their whacked out religious beliefs.

You want more controls over abortions? Make it easier for women to control getting pregnant in the first place.

Until then, go eat a bag of dicks, you self righteous bastards.

113 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:30:37pm

re: #105 Bulworth

So because ‘abortion is genocide’ that means we can’t try to prevent gun tragedies at schools (and elsewhere)? Not sure what their point is.

It’s a misdirect, nothing more.

The outrage they feel on their particular hot button topic is soooo much more important than anybody else’s.

Just like mine :)

114 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:31:06pm

re: #107 Lidane

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Grasp of History and Good sentence Structure.

115 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:31:34pm

re: #107 Lidane

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Which is why the Founding Fathers originally wanted to name George Washington king.

Wait a sec…

116 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:31:57pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

TOTALLY. OUT. OF. CONTROL.

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Yeah Hitler killed himself after he destroyed the lives of millions of people. Obama? Oh he hurts my poor pathetic right wing feelings. Waaaaaaaaaah.

117 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:32:18pm
118 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:32:45pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I don’t like children as political props.

No, you just don’t like things that help to prove a point that you don’t want proven.

119 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:33:19pm

1/15/2013: Epic Derp Day

120 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:33:47pm

re: #119 Gus

And we’re not through yet.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:02pm

Maybe these Sandy Hook truthers are the real false flag. That is, they are a bunch of liberal actors and fakes trying to make gun owners and NRA members look like psychopaths and inhumanly cruel monsters. If so, they are doing a hell of a good job.

122 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:25pm

re: #107 Lidane

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123 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:44pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

Liberal plants! /

124 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:34:53pm

re: #112 Kragar

I would be more open to listen to their views on abortion if they didn’t also make the claims that condoms, contraceptives, or any other form of birth control should be withheld because of their whacked out religious beliefs.

You want more controls over abortions? Make it easier for women to control getting pregnant in the first place.

Until then, go eat a bag of dicks, you self righteous bastards.

Ah! made this up yesterday.

I think it still needs some tweeking.

125 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:35:14pm

re: #117 lawhawk

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Just saw that come over the wires.

126 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:35:28pm

re: #117 lawhawk

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Wait, why didn’t he use a credit card?

127 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:36:05pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

I knew someone would say that. I think the same processes apply if those traits become a threat to survival. Civilization, and tribal life before it, depends on a certain level of cooperation and consensus. The conspira-liars are a serious threat to that, and they are symptomatic of a larger threat.
Compared to the long history of evolution, “culture” is a very new phenomenon. There is no reason to suppose that it, too, is not an aspect of evolution or affected by evolutionary principles. I would prefer to think of these traits as behaviors that are passed on by a process analogous to genetic inheritance, but not literally an example of it. It is a common observation, for example, that violent and aggressive parents have aggressive children. There are apparently some biological aspects to this but they are far less important than the behavioral ones.
In this society, sub-cultural affiliations often take the place of parents in fostering various behavioral traits. It may be speculative to say that these are subject to same evolutionary pressures as the purely biological, but I think the possibility is very strong that they are. In the broadest sense, evolution is about change in response to change.

The bolded part is the meaningful part of this. Now you’re talking about memes rather than genes. The term was coined by evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins.

Evolution has been abused to claim all sorts of things are ‘human nature’ and unchangeable. This article is a good read on the subject. It’s important to avoid the abuse of science in furtherance of a point of view.

128 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:36:23pm

re: #126 Ghost of Tom Joad

Wait, why didn’t he use a credit card?

Or a hammer.

129 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:36:41pm

‘Empire’ strikes back at White House over petition

Claiming “overwhelming military superiority,” the “Galactic Empire” from the Star Wars film series answered the White House’s decision not to begin construction of its own galactic fortress in a statement on the franchise’s official website on Tuesday.

“It is doubtless that such a technological terror in the hands of so primitive a world would be used to upset the peace and sanctity of the citizens of the Galactic Empire,” the statement quoted Grand Moff Wilhuff Tarkin as saying. “Such destructive power can only be wielded to protect and defend by so enlightened a leader as Emperor Palpatine.”

130 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:36:58pm

re: #128 Gus

Or a hammer.

Or an assault ping pong.

131 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:37:31pm

re: #130 Kragar

Or an assault ping pong.

frying pan full of hot grits.

132 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:37:41pm

re: #130 Kragar

Or an assault ping pong.

or a credit card according to one New Hampshire Republican.

133 Lidane  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:37:59pm
134 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:38:02pm

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

frying pan full of hot grits.

Board with a nail in it.

135 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:39:10pm

re: #134 Kragar

Board with a nail in it.

Gorgon stare.

136 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:39:51pm

re: #111 Killgore Trout

I don’t like children as political props.

They wrote letters to the president. They are political participants, not props.

137 erik_t  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:40:04pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

Gorgon stare.

One hell of a camera!

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:40:10pm

re: #116 HappyWarrior

Yeah Hitler killed himself after he destroyed the lives of millions of people and was about to be captured by the Soviets. Obama? Oh he hurts my poor pathetic right wing feelings. Waaaaaaaaaah.

139 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:40:42pm

re: #133 Lidane

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What is rather ironic, IMHO, is that people think that way back in the mythical utopia right after the Revolution, there was no such thing as national debt. Countries never borrowed or defaulted. They transacted all business with exchanges of bags of gold.

Because, debt is immoral and the Founding Fathers were saints.

140 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:41:14pm

re: #82 ProBosniaLiberal

I was neutral until October 3rd of last year.

Right now, I am waiting for a 3rd Palestinian Party to sweep out the Corrupt and Evil Fatah, and the Evil and Corrupt Hamas.

But you have to join Hamas in order to start the process of cleaning it out!
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141 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:41:27pm

re: #137 erik_t

One hell of a camera!

I love it!

142 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:41:50pm

re: #131 FemNaziBitch

Grits in the wrong hands could be a deadly weapon. In the right hands? Absolutely delicious.

143 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:41:58pm

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

Yep.

144 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:42:05pm

re: #100 Petero1818

I think Palestine and Israel should be mirrors of one another.

And sorry, Muslims and Christians will continue to have a stake in Jerusalem. You can say you have preserved them, but there have been firebombing attacks on Mosques and Churches in both Israel proper, and the occupied territories.

Giving Al-Aqsa and the DOme of the Rock is basically asking for another Babri Mosque incident. 50% of the Jewish population wants the Temple rebuilt. If even 10% of them are willing to act on it, those two are screwed.

Also, remember the Moroccan Quarter? Of course you don’t.

re: #109 lawhawk

I still think the viewpoint I heard from that ABC Documentary years ago shows a valid picture of Israel. Not to mention that Arabs in Israel have gotten crapped on. And then people wonder why they are pissed at Israel.

I don’t like the automatic assumption that Israelis are good, and the Palestinians bad because I have Palestinian friends, and therefore a personal investment in their side. Not to mention the Pro-Israel group on campus one time decided to call the Campus Cops on MSA when my friend was President of MSA. I have not forgotten that.

145 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:43:36pm

And unlike Alice’s Little Pills, when it comes to stares, the One That Mother Gives You is the most effective.

146 blueraven  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:44:52pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout

I was looking for clues about upcoming gun control proposals

Obama to unveil gun violence measures Wednesday

I could do without the theatrics.

Children aren’t props. They are the Raison d’être.
Concern duly noted.

147 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:47:51pm

GOP Congressman Warns That Library Books About Muslim Culture Will Undermine Christianity

Craven Community College, a small school in New Bern, was recently awarded a small National Endowment for the Humanities grant. The money, enough for 25 books and a DVD, is intended to expand the library’s Muslim culture collection. Jones protested that the money was unfairly benefiting Muslims and harming Christians, as he explained in a local TV interview.

“I want to treat it fairly and I think too many times the Christian faith is not treated fairly,” Jones said. “If they want to have book about the Muslim’s faith, let’s have equal number of books about Judeo-Christian [faith].”

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:47:57pm

re: #139 FemNaziBitch

What is rather ironic, IMHO, is that people think that way back in the mythical utopia right after the Revolution, there was no such thing as national debt. Countries never borrowed or defaulted. They transacted all business with exchanges of bags of gold.

Because, debt is immoral and the Founding Fathers were saints.

And the Whiskey Rebellion came about in part because Alexander Hamilton (as Sec of the Treasury under Washington) got the Federal debt and those of a number of colonies that were essentially not being paid back consolidated and then got an excise tax on whiskey passed as a way to start paying it off. (A bit of a summary, it was a bit more complicated than that.)

149 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:48:12pm

re: #140 Feline Fearless Leader

No, you just need a push so both sides support, say, the PDI, PDU, and the PAF, or a combination of some or all of these.

Hamas has yet to be given enough rope to hang itself. If you block only a handful of things from Gaza, it will become apparent very quickly how corrupt they are. They will look less like Palestinian Everyman, and more like a bloated bunch of indolent fuckers and their henchman.

150 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:48:35pm

re: #99 Lidane

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151 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:49:04pm
152 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:49:08pm

*FACE PALM*
So basically, make up whatever the fuck you want and accuse Obama of doing it.

153 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:49:10pm
154 Gus  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:50:08pm

We must show concern for children while not mentioning or showing children.

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155 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:50:27pm

re: #147 Kragar

GOP Congressman Warns That Library Books About Muslim Culture Will Undermine Christianity

Judeo-Christian isn’t a faith. It’s a made up bs construct by right wing Christians so they can claim they’re not being Anti-Semitic.

156 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:50:48pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*
So basically, make up whatever the fuck you want and accuse Obama of doing it.

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Really, Really?

Haven’t we heard that about every Democratic POTUS since FDR?

I know I heard it about Clinton.

Why the hell would anyone want that office for more than 8 years?

157 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:50:49pm

So, who here thinks the GOP is still going to moderate when you have nuts like that?

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:51:16pm

re: #149 ProBosniaLiberal

No, you just need a push so both sides support, say, the PDI, PDU, and the PAF, or a combination of some or all of these.

Hamas has yet to be given enough rope to hang itself. If you block only a handful of things from Gaza, it will become apparent very quickly how corrupt they are. They will look less like Palestinian Everyman, and more like a bloated bunch of indolent fuckers and their henchman.

The key is still how they are looked upon by the residents of Gaza and the Palestinian territories. Which is why they keep such an iron grip on communications and education there. Until a sufficient number of citizens there are convinced that turning them out is the only way forward they will remain in power.

159 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:51:54pm

re: #147 Kragar

GOP Congressman Warns That Library Books About Muslim Culture Will Undermine Christianity

And Yoga is a threat too! Don’t forget those Evangelical Hindus.

160 Kragar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:52:05pm

re: #153 makeitstop

The Derp is off the damn scale today.

To the Tea Party, GOP, Evangelicals, Conservatives and any others:

When someone says “That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard”, that should not be a prompt for you to say to yourselves “CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!”

Thank you

161 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:52:06pm

re: #93 Vicious Babushka

These sick fucks really believe 20 children murdered at Sandy Hook = same as a fetus

Teabaggers will not have reasonable discussion about commonsense gun control legislation unless they get to evoke abortion, Chicago, and automobile-related fatalities.

162 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:52:52pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

Really, Really?

Haven’t we heard that about every Democratic POTUS since FDR?

I know I heard it about Clinton.

Why the hell would anyone want that office for more than 8 years?

“Sir, if you are as happy in entering the White House as I shall feel on returning to Wheatland, you are a happy man indeed,”
Probably the only truly insightful quote by President Buchanan.

163 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:53:52pm

re: #151 Gus

Children as props?

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

164 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:53:56pm

re: #144 ProBosniaLiberal

I think Palestine and Israel should be mirrors of one another.

Not sure why you think that. Not even sure what it means? It was not Israel that walked away from partition. There are consequences to everything and facts on the ground are relevant.

And sorry, Muslims and Christians will continue to have a stake in Jerusalem. You can say you have preserved them, but there have been firebombing attacks on Mosques and Churches in both Israel proper, and the occupied territories.

I don’t recall saying that Muslims and Chrisitans will not have a stake in Jerusalem, perhaps you can point to that part of my post.

I am not Israeli so not sure why you are saying “you” have preserved them. But yes the Israeli govt and its people have done a better job of preserving muslim and christian sites that muslims or christians ever did for them . It is a fact.

Price tag attacks happen and they are terrible and should stop. No argument.

Giving Al-Aqsa and the DOme of the Rock is basically asking for another Babri Mosque incident. 50% of the Jewish population wants the Temple rebuilt. If even 10% of them are willing to act on it, those two are screwed.

The Temple will not be rebuilt. If they wanted it done it would have been done long ago. You live in some fantasy land.

166 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:56:33pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

because it is about how you feel and not what it will do for the children. After such an ordeal. they will remember this their whole lives.

167 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:57:09pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

Even more sickening props

168 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:57:29pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

“Sir, if you are as happy in entering the White House as I shall feel on returning to Wheatland, you are a happy man indeed,”
Probably the only truly insightful quote by President Buchanan.

True, I wouldn’t want to deal with Congress for 1 day, much less 8 years. I’d be ready to throw the whole lot to anyone who might have a snowball’s chance in hell of catching it.

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:58:06pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

Emotions don’t detract from seriousness. Avoidance of emotions sometimes does.

170 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:58:14pm
“I want to treat it fairly and I think too many times the Christian faith is not treated fairly,” Jones said. “If they want to have book about the Muslim’s faith, let’s have equal number of books about Judeo-Christian [faith].”

If only there was such a book, translated into about 89 varieties of English, that was widely available. If only there was something like a Christian “bookstore”, which sold books and things by Christian authors.

171 EPR-radar  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:58:14pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

The gun nuts lose if the debate is stripped of all emotional dimensions. All that would be left is the cold, hard, reality of gun death statistics, which would drive any rational actor to a sweeping combination of bans and control.

172 gwangung  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:58:53pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

This is an unbelievably stupid statement. I expect better of you.

173 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:59:09pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

True, I wouldn’t want to deal with Congress for 1 day, much less 8 years. I’d be ready to throw the whole lot to anyone who might have a snowball’s chance in hell of catching it.

Yeah you’ve got to be a crazy sob if you want to be president the way I look at it especially now. I looked at Bush at the end of his time in office. He looked like a man who really wanted to get out.

174 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:59:21pm

re: #147 Kragar

GOP Congressman Warns That Library Books About Muslim Culture Will Undermine Christianity

Has he checked to see how many books on Christianity are in the library?

175 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 12:59:48pm

re: #167 Dr. Matt

Even more sickening props

Ah, that’s an excellent example.

176 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:05:29pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Yeah you’ve got to be a crazy sob if you want to be president the way I look at it especially now. I looked at Bush at the end of his time in office. He looked like a man who really wanted to get out.

Bush Sr’s line was my favorite. “I am going to get big into the Golf Business and the Grandchildren Business.”

177 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:07:07pm

re: #176 FemNaziBitch

Bush Sr’s line was my favorite. “I am going to get big into the Golf Business and the Grandchildren Business.”

Never heard the one. I just remembered the Buchanan quote from my presidents book. I’d rather be the Ambassador to some tropical island where we have solid relations with than be president. Low profile, low pressure, and the beach.

178 ProBosniaLiberal  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:11:48pm

re: #164 Petero1818

The Ottoman Empire ended up taking care of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre multiple times as a result of infighting among Christians. And Muslims have taken good care of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa. And you have yet to mention the Moroccan Quarter either.

And what about this?

Orthodox Jewish communities in Israel have come under scrutiny for the negative stereotyping and scapegoating of Christian minorities in the region, including violent acts against Christian missionaries and communities. A frequent complaint of Christian clergy in Israel is being spat at by Jews, often haredi yeshiva students.

And there was a poll in 2011 by an important Israeli Newspaper or TV station support rebuilding the temple.

Perhaps if the Muslims in Palestine weren’t worried about being pushed out, and being put into worthless wastelands behind separation barriers, unable to go town-to-town, they wouldn’t feel a need on the Temple Mount to excavate and wipe out Jewish Archaeological Evidence.

But right, according to you and others, the Palestinians are evil. So they don’t deserve just treatment, or even an admission that Israel has done wrong things in the past.

179 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:20:26pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

We should prosecute ectopic pregnancies for murder.

More than half of all pregnancies miscarry without human assistance. People who get born are fewer in total than those who fall by the wayside. Whom or what should be prosecuted for that?

180 leftynyc  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:23:16pm

re: #144 ProBosniaLiberal

I don’t like the automatic assumption that Israelis are good, and the Palestinians bad because I have Palestinian friends, and therefore a personal investment in their side. Not to mention the Pro-Israel group on campus one time decided to call the Campus Cops on MSA when my friend was President of MSA. I have not forgotten that.

So history means nothing to you and you feel the way you do for shallow and petty reasons. If that isn’t the case, you should come up with an argument that would persuade an adult.

181 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:25:47pm

friend on fb is telling me that their are videos (CNN) on youtube that show this psychologist (that the thread is about) as a creepy kinda guy.

182 leftynyc  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:28:24pm

re: #163 Killgore Trout

Exactly. For something like an early education bill or something it can be appropriate. For something like gun control I think it’s unnecessarily emotional and detracts from the seriousness of the issue.

Early education isn’t a serious issue? Does twisting yourself into a pretzel hurt much?

183 leftynyc  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:36:58pm

re: #178 ProBosniaLiberal

The Ottoman Empire ended up taking care of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre multiple times as a result of infighting among Christians. And Muslims have taken good care of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa. And you have yet to mention the Moroccan Quarter either.

And what about this?

And there was a poll in 2011 by an important Israeli Newspaper or TV station support rebuilding the temple.

Perhaps if the Muslims in Palestine weren’t worried about being pushed out, and being put into worthless wastelands behind separation barriers, unable to go town-to-town, they wouldn’t feel a need on the Temple Mount to excavate and wipe out Jewish Archaeological Evidence.

But right, according to you and others, the Palestinians are evil. So they don’t deserve just treatment, or even an admission that Israel has done wrong things in the past.

Nobody called anyone evil - except you. Hyperbolic bullshit is not going to help you.

184 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 1:43:36pm

re: #179 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

More than half of all pregnancies miscarry without human assistance. People who get born are fewer in total than those who fall by the wayside. Whom or what should be prosecuted for that?

The mothers, of course. If they’re wishing for an abortion, their bodies have a way of shutting that whole thing down.

185 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:36:11pm

re: #178 ProBosniaLiberal

“The Ottoman Empire ended up taking care of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre multiple times as a result of infighting among Christians. And Muslims have taken good care of the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa. And you have yet to mention the Moroccan Quarter either.”

Muslims take care of the Dome of the Rock and Al- Aqsa because they are Muslim shrines and Holy Places. Not sure what your point is. Ottoman empire is hardly relevant to Islamic governments of the day. Not much consistency between the Ottomans and Pan Islamic or Pan Arab nationalism.

Its true I haven’t mentioned the Moroccan quarter> And you haven’t mentioned the banning of Jews from Jerusalem (A city that since the late 1800s was majority Jewish) until 1967 and the wholesale theft and destruction of their property during that time.

” there was a poll in 2011 by an important Israeli Newspaper or TV station support rebuilding the temple.”

Oh there was a poll? Why didn’t you say so. I didn’t realize there was a poll. That changes everything. ///

“Perhaps if the Muslims in Palestine weren’t worried about being pushed out, and being put into worthless wastelands behind separation barriers, unable to go town-to-town, they wouldn’t feel a need on the Temple Mount to excavate and wipe out Jewish Archaeological Evidence.”

Except they were doing it for hundreds of years before the creation of Israel so that doesn’t hold much water.

“But right, according to you and others, the Palestinians are evil. So they don’t deserve just treatment, or even an admission that Israel has done wrong things in the past.”

I think you should perhaps shut the fuck up at this point. You are making an ass of yourself.

Please point to ANY and I mean ANY post of mine suggesting Palestinians are evil, undeserving of just treatment. Moreover, it might be a good exercise for you to review every post of mine in the past because you will find plenty that are critical of Israel and things it has done.

But better yet, just go away. You are an immature uninformed windbag uninterested in truth.

186 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:45:19pm

re: #178 ProBosniaLiberal

And what about this?

Orthodox Jewish communities in Israel have come under scrutiny for the negative stereotyping and scapegoating of Christian minorities in the region, including violent acts against Christian missionaries and communities. A frequent complaint of Christian clergy in Israel is being spat at by Jews, often haredi yeshiva students.

If it makes you feel better, Orthodox Jewish Communities are under scrutiny from other Jews for their behavior as well. The spitting on other Jews, the treatment of women on public buses. The reality is that the Haredi are almost as bad as Islamic religious zealots.

But what is the point you are trying to make?

187 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 15, 2013 2:56:10pm

re: #58 Skip Intro

This explains everything.

Image: pg0ZH.jpg

Not convinced? Well, then, how about this?

Image: Massacre_Teotihuacan_Sandy_Hook_Stonhege.jpg

Pictures make everything so clear.

Egads, these people are completely fucked in the head…

188 RabbitRunner  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:31:50am

Anderson Cooper has been on these conspiracy liars cases. These people make the 9/11 Liars look sane and lucid

189 RabbitRunner  Wed, Jan 16, 2013 6:55:06am

re: #178 ProBosniaLiberal

Yup, time to start slamming the Jews. After all, we all know the Mossad was behind Sandy Hook because the Iranian Press TV said so


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