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President Obama’s Gun Control Op-Ed: Now Is the Time

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From the President’s op-ed in the Connecticut Post:

Like most Americans, I believe the Second Amendment guarantees an individual right to bear arms. There are millions of responsible, law-abiding gun owners in this country who cherish their right to bear arms for hunting, or sport; protection, or collection.

But I also believe most gun owners agree that we can respect the Second Amendment while keeping an irresponsible, law-breaking few from doing harm. I believe most of them agree that if America worked harder to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in Connecticut. And that’s what these commonsense reforms are designed to do.

None of this will be easy. Already we’re seeing pundits, politicians, and special interest lobbyists warning of a tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty — not because it’s true, but because it gins up fear, or higher ratings, or more revenue for themselves.

The truth is, there’s only one voice powerful enough to make this happen: yours.

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214 comments

1 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:44:33pm

QFT:

None of this will be easy. Already we’re seeing pundits, politicians, and special interest lobbyists warning of a tyrannical, all-out assault on liberty — not because it’s true, but because it gins up fear, or higher ratings, or more revenue for themselves.

2 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:45:41pm

Much of this will be ignored and when the next Newtown inevitably happens, he will be blamed. Anyhow. Good words for the president. He’s being the adult in the room. The nutjobs at the NRA on the other hand will use these words to claim tyranny.

3 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:46:27pm

XCELLEnt

4 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:46:34pm

I am thrilled to see our president showing leadership on this issue.

G-d willing, America has had enough deaths and spilled blood only to protect the urges and fantasies of the gun lobby.

His actions are common sense and simply do not threaten a law abiding gun owner. Those that see this as a first step to U.N. black helicopters are ironically exactly the sorts of crazies who ought not have any weapon more dangerous than a plastic spork.

5 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:47:18pm
not because it’s true, but because it gins up fear, or higher ratings, or more revenue for themselves.

CASE IN POINT

6 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:47:22pm

re: #1 lawhawk

The President is Leftist Bully! /

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:48:09pm

re: #4 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I am thrilled to see our president showing leadership on this issue.

G-d willing, America has had enough deaths to satisfy the urges of the gun lobby.

No, but I feel that we have finally seen enough deaths to start to dampen their inordinate influence on American politics and public opinion.

8 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:48:37pm

re: #4 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I am thrilled to see our president showing leadership on this issue.

G-d willing, America has had enough deaths to satisfy the urges of the gun lobby.

No amount of death will ever satisfy the US gun lobby. Perhaps they can be outvoted at this time.

9 Ming  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:48:40pm

Background checks to buy guns, and ammunition, seem like a very good idea. Time and again we read about tragedies, e.g. Jared Loughner (Tucson), Adam Lanza, George Zimmerman, when one of the first questions is: how on earth did that particular specimen of humanity get his hands on a loaded gun in the first place?

10 AntonSirius  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:49:35pm

Wow. This now isn’t a gun control vs NRA argument, it’s all-out sanity vs lunacy.

Good. It’s been a long time coming.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:49:47pm

re: #7 Sol Berdinowitz

No, but I feel that we have finally seen enough deaths to start to dampen their inordinate infulence on American policids and public opinion.

Well said, I changed the language to be a bit less indefinite.

12 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:50:30pm
13 Interesting Times  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:51:15pm

re: #11 Mad Prophet Ludwig

On another note, check out my latest page (just be warned it could raise your blood pressure to dangerously high levels)

14 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:52:17pm

re: #9 Ming

Background checks to buy guns, and ammunition, seem like a very good idea. Time and again we read about tragedies, e.g. Jared Loughner (Tucson), Adam Lanza, George Zimmerman, when one of the first questions is: how on earth did that particular specimen of humanity get his hands on a loaded gun in the first place?

Realistically, we would need to get a lot more gun control put in place than is politically possible to move the gun death numbers significantly down.

The saturation of guns in the US means that moments of rage or insanity are too likely to be given lethal expression.

However, this is not an excuse to do nothing. We should do what is politically possible and push for more, as Obama seems to be doing.

15 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:53:06pm

At least PBO’s editorial and gun proposals have dampened, for the time being, all the wingnut jesting about “teleprompters”. Those hijinks were suitable fare when only the ACA was oppressing them. But take away their right to cover up their manliness insecurities right to own superweapons, and teleprompters are forgotten.

16 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:54:05pm

re: #12 Gus

I wonder if Barton thinks the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights have limits?

17 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:54:08pm

Elementary Children died.

There will be a Legislative Response.

Whackos™ need to accept it and move on.

18 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:56:07pm

ITS ABSOLUTELY HITLERIAN!

19 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:56:22pm

re: #12 Gus

You mean I’m entitled to have my own phalanx of CIWS, UAVs, Patriot SM2 launchers, and F-35s and M1-A2s? As well as my very own personal aircraft carrier plus all the nuclear warheads and missiles you can fit on board? Where do I sign up? /

Seriously, do these people have any clue? Or are they really seeking another civil war and the catastrophe that would be for everyone?

20 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:56:36pm

re: #16 Bulworth

I wonder if Barton thinks the other Amendments in the Bill of Rights have limits?

I should be able to say whatever I want…

FIRE!

21 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:56:38pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Much of this will be ignored and when the next Newtown inevitably happens, he will be blamed. Anyhow. Good words for the president. He’s being the adult in the room. The nutjobs at the NRA on the other hand will use these words to claim tyranny.

They don’t want an adult in the White House, they want an easily manipulated talking head who parrots their favourite bull shit.

22 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:57:20pm

So where do I sign up for my bazooka?

23 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:57:33pm

re: #21 b_sharp

They don’t want an adult in the White House, they want an easily manipulated talking head who parrots their favourite bull shit.

Zaphod Beeblebrox.

24 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:57:35pm

re: #19 lawhawk

You mean I’m entitled to have my own phalanx of CIWS, UAVs, Patriot SM2 launchers, and F-35s and M1-A2s? As well as my very own personal aircraft carrier plus all the nuclear warheads and missiles you can fit on board? Where do I sign up? /

Seriously, do these people have any clue? Or are they really seeking another civil war and the catastrophe that would be for everyone?

He’s trolling. They’re almost all trolling. That’s the new right-wing feature: trolling 24/7.

25 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:57:40pm

later all!

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:59:08pm

re: #21 b_sharp

They don’t want an adult in the White House, they want an easily manipulated talking head who parrots their favourite bull shit.

I believe that is what Grover Norquist said: they just need someone who can hold a pen and sign their legislation into law.

27 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:59:10pm

My next house will be surrounded by land mines, watch towers, and machine guns nests.

28 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 12:59:26pm

re: #19 lawhawk

Seriously, do these people have any clue? Or are they really seeking another civil war and the catastrophe that would be for everyone?

Their world view is a cartoon, or video game.

29 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:00:24pm

David Barton supports a citizen’s right to kill cops.

30 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:00:34pm

re: #19 lawhawk

You mean I’m entitled to have my own phalanx of CIWS, UAVs, Patriot SM2 launchers, and F-35s and M1-A2s? As well as my very own personal aircraft carrier plus all the nuclear warheads and missiles you can fit on board? Where do I sign up? /

Seriously, do these people have any clue? Or are they really seeking another civil war and the catastrophe that would be for everyone?

Can you ship an F-22 up here, please?

31 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:01:09pm

Kind of funny that the people who think there’s no freedom of religion think there’s an absolute right to arms ownership but then again Barton has convinced himself that the 2nd amendment’s origins are biblical. You can’t reason with people like this and this is why it’s impossible to get any real results anymore. And of course the idiot GOP thinks Barton is smart enough to shape their platform.

32 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:01:17pm

re: #24 Gus

He’s trolling. They’re almost all trolling. That’s the new right-wing feature: trolling 24/7.

I bet hating’
and trolling.
So fake and
controlling.

They try to catch me posting dirty…

33 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:01:27pm

re: #29 Kragar

David Barton supports a citizen’s right to kill cops.

But not to have sex with a consenting adult.

34 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:01:32pm

re: #26 Sol Berdinowitz

I believe that is what Grover Norquist said: they just need someone who can hold a pen and sign their legislation into law.

That was a rationalization for getting the true believer RW nut jobs to accept Romney as the nominee, as I recall.

35 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:02:41pm
But not to have sex with a consenting adult.

Ah, but that would be to misuse the Freedom God has given us. /

36 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:02:51pm

Nukes don’t nuke people; people nuke people.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:02:54pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

But not to have sex with a consenting adult.

Not outside the bonds of Holy Matrimony, no.

38 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:03:06pm

re: #27 Gus

My next house will be surrounded by land mines, watch towers, and machine guns nests.

Will it be a *big* one?
(and you failed to specify whether the machine guns would be pointed outward, or inward.)

39 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:03:17pm

The day that nukes are outlawed is the day that only outlaws will have nukes.

40 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:03:43pm

re: #39 Gus

The day that nukes are outlawed is the day that only outlaws will have nukes.

A nuclear armed society is a polite society.

41 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:03:46pm

Can someone help me answer a question?

My neighbors are armed to the teeth. Every freaking holiday they post pics of all the guns they get their teenagers not to mention all the anti-Obama crap you’d see from a typical wingnut on facebook. They also refer to their multi family 20 acre lot with 5 houses on it(mom/dad, their 3 grown daughters with their husbands and kids and a couple other family members)”The Compound”.

What’s unnerving to me right now is that someone over there is target practicing maybe 150 feet from my backyard. There’s nothing like playing with the dog or doing some gardening to the sound of shots being fired. My dog won’t go out if she hears the sound and frankly,I’m not willing to run the risk of going out there while shots are being fired.

I checked the law, there’s nothing that stops them from doing this, but honest to god it’s getting obnoxious. They only started doing this recently,I’ve been here for 15 yrs and they never shot guns out in the yard til now. Should I call the county sheriff and ask if there’s any law or rule,or should I just let it go?

42 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:07pm

re: #38 Feline Fearless Leader

Will it be a *big* one?
(and you failed to specify whether the machine guns would be pointed outward, or inward.)

Machine guns point outward, the pointy sticks point inward.

43 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:25pm
But not to have sex with a consenting adult.

Anybody who supports consensual sex between non-heterosexual, non-married adults is a Libertine. And Libertines are really, really bad. Owning many guns of ever increasing firepower, however, is True Freedom. /

44 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:27pm

Group to distribute secular material after Christians passed out Bibles in school

A secularist organization in central Florida announced plans on Wednesday to distribute atheist and agnostic informational materials in local schools after a group of Christians distributed Bibles on Jan. 16, according to the group’s press release.

The Central Florida Freethought Community (CFFC), which is a chapter of the national Freedom from Religion Foundation, believes it is unfair for such materials to be distributed by a single religious group.

David Williamson, head organizer for the chapter formed just last fall, told the Raw Story that he has heard no negative feedback regarding the planned event but that it was announced very recently.

45 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:38pm

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Kind of funny that the people who think there’s no freedom of religion think there’s an absolute right to arms ownership but then again Barton has convinced himself that the 2nd amendment’s origins are biblical. You can’t reason with people like this and this is why it’s impossible to get any real results anymore. And of course the idiot GOP thinks Barton is smart enough to shape their platform.

I suspect that if you were the one writing Barton’s paycheck you could get him to write/speak that the Bible advocated electing koala bears to Congress and that only giraffes are truly qualified to serve on the Supreme Court.

46 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:42pm

I had two thoughts earlier this morning:

1) The notion that a group of individuals could call themselves Patriots and, under that banner, attack individuals at a military base costing many lives and believe they are “fighting for America” is highly disturbing to me.

2) Joe Schmoe has a home and some property on a rural area. Joe Schmoe has small arsenal on this property. Joe Schmoe likes to boast about how he’s ready for the government stormtroopers if it comes to that.

Joe Schmoe fails to realize that a single bomb dropped from a single plane could obliterate his entire property, his guns and himself.

Joe Schmoe also apparently fails to realize the U.S. military has a lot of planes…

…and a lot of bombs.

47 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:04:50pm

re: #27 Gus

My next house will be surrounded by land mines, watch towers, and machine guns nests.

The Idaho nitwits are ahead of you. So too is Beck, though I don’t think he’s got the machine gun nests plotted out.

48 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:05:09pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

A nuclear armed society is a polite society.

The only way to halt nuclear proliferation is with more nukes.

49 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:05:28pm

re: #39 Gus

Speak softly and lob a nuke. /Teddy Roosevelt

50 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:06:02pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Speak softly and lob a nuke. /Teddy Roosevelt

Jesus wanted us to have nukes. It’s in the Bible.

51 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:06:14pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Can someone help me answer a question?

My neighbors are armed to the teeth. Every freaking holiday they post pics of all the guns they get their teenagers not to mention all the anti-Obama crap you’d see from a typical wingnut on facebook. They also refer to their multi family 20 acre lot with 5 houses on it(mom/dad, their 3 grown daughters with their husbands and kids and a couple other family members)”The Compound”.

What’s unnerving to me right now is that someone over there is target practicing maybe 150 feet from my backyard. There’s nothing like playing with the dog or doing some gardening to the sound of shots being fired. My dog won’t go out if she hears the sound and frankly,I’m not willing to run the risk of going out there while shots are being fired.

I checked the law, there’s nothing th

Build a dog-shit launching trebuchet.

52 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:06:16pm
53 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:06:19pm

re: #44 Kragar

More Leftist bullies! /

54 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:06:50pm

re: #45 Feline Fearless Leader

I suspect that if you were the one writing Barton’s paycheck you could get him to write/speak that the Bible advocated electing koala bears to Congress and that only giraffes are truly qualified to serve on the Supreme Court.

But I sometimes think a giraffe would be better than Scalia/Thomas/Alito. Okay, obviously hyperbole aside, I see your point but it’s just amazing that the guy makes up shit out of his ass and has the political influence he does. If he was doing this independently of a major party, it would be hilarious but he was a huge shaper of the GOP platform.

55 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:07:18pm
56 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:07:18pm

re: #50 Gus

Jesus wanted us to have nukes. It’s in the Bible.

Noah didn’t build an ark. That was just a metaphor for him building a fallout shelter as God nuked the Earth from orbit.

Because he wanted to be safe, of course.

57 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:07:24pm

re: #45 Feline Fearless Leader

I suspect that if you were the one writing Barton’s paycheck you could get him to write/speak that the Bible advocated electing koala bears to Congress and that only giraffes are truly qualified to serve on the Supreme Court.

There’s always a way. I remain convinced that Scalia could accept a drumhead court martial as “due process of law” if one of his clerks could find or fabricate an example from the US founding era.

58 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:07:28pm
Kind of funny that the people who think there’s no freedom of religion

Well, you’re Free to follow their religion. That’s it. Religious Freedom!

59 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:08:06pm

re: #46 dragonfire1981

I had two thoughts earlier this morning:

1) The notion that a group individuals could call themselves Patriots and, under that banner, attack individuals at a military base costing many lives and believe they are “fighting for America” is highly disturbing to me.

2) Joe Schmoe has a home and some property on a rural area. Joe Schmoe ha small arsenal on this property. Joe Schmoe likes to boast about how the he’s ready for the government stormtroopers if it comes to that.

Joe Schmoe fails to realize that a single bomb dropped from a single plane could obliterate his entire property, his guns and himself.

Joe Schmoe also apparently fails to realize the U.S. military has a lot of planes…

…and a lot of bombs.

I had two thoughts this morning too.
Then I got better.

60 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:08:07pm

re: #56 Ghost of Tom Joad

Noah didn’ build an ark. That was just a metaphor for him building a fallout shelter as God nuked the Earth from orbit.

Because he wanted to be safe, of course.

Obama has nukes. Why shouldn’t we have nukes?

61 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:08:26pm

re: #44 Kragar

Group to distribute secular material after Christians passed out Bibles in school

My prediction is freak-out by religious nuts at next school board meeting. Followed by board banning all distributions by any outside group. Followed by religious groups whining about being denied Bible distribution rights due to liberals, government, etc. trying to squash Jesus.

62 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:08:39pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

It’s kind of scary that you were in the middle of typing something about gunfire in your neighborhood and then suddenly…you stopped typing.

Where do you live? All depends on local laws.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:08:40pm

re: #52 dragonfire1981

Why are all the secular atheist humanists so angry! /

64 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:09:18pm

Marco Rubio’s PAC Spends Five Times More On Overhead Than Political Contributions

While his official Senate website biography boasts that he is “proud to represent Florida in the U.S. Senate where I’m working to fulfill my promise to restore fiscal discipline,” Rubio’s leadership PAC spending hardly seems disciplined. Out of $1,688,086 in receipts, Reclaim America reported spending over $370,000 on political consultants, more than $256,000 on fundraising expenses, and upwards of $450,000 on administrative overhead, according to the non-partisan Center for Responsive Politics.

That did not leave much for the PAC’s alleged purpose of electing more conservative Republicans: less than $78,000. This total just under $2,400 in independent expenditures, $15,000 sent to his party’s Senate campaign committee, money earmarked raised specifically for and transferred directly to other campaigns, and just five $2,500 donations to Senate candidates. While Senate Republicans had been expected to make gains in the 2012 elections, they ultimately lost two seats.

65 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:05pm

Also one more thought:

A) Let’s say that we went ahead and split the country up for a civil war. On one side are the anti-Obama, right wing, freedom loving “Patriots” and the other side is well, everyone else.

Demographically speaking, would that not mean that the non anti-Obama side would outnumber the anti-Obama side by about 2:1…and be significantly younger?

66 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:07pm

re: #61 Feline Fearless Leader

My prediction is freak-out by religious nuts at next school board meeting. Followed by board banning all distributions by any outside group. Followed by religious groups whining about being denied Bible distribution rights due to liberals, government, etc. trying to squash Jesus.

Sounds about right.

67 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:08pm

Yesterday I mentioned how Wisconsin may consider playing with the electoral college to get more votes for republicans.

Apparently they’re rockin and rollin in PA to do just that.

Pennsylvania House Republicans Introduce Bill To Rig The 2016 Presidential Election

On Monday, seven Pennsylvania Republican state representatives introduced a bill to make this vote-rigging scheme a reality in their state. Under their bill, the winner of Pennsylvania as a whole will receive only 2 of the state’s 20 electoral votes, while “[e]ach of the remaining presidential electors shall be elected in the presidential elector’s congressional district.”

Pennsylvania is a blue state that voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in every single presidential race for the last two decades, so implementing the GOP election-rigging plan in Pennsylvania would make it much harder for a Democrat to be elected to the White House. Moreover, because of gerrymandering, it is overwhelmingly likely that the Republican candidate will win a majority of Pennsylvania’s electoral votes even if the Democrat wins the state by a very comfortable margin. Despite the fact that President Obama won Pennsylvania by more than 5 points last November, Democrats carried only 5 of the state’s 18 congressional seats. Accordingly, Obama would have likely won only 7 of the state’s 20 electoral votes if the GOP vote rigging plan had been in effect last year.

68 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:13pm
A secularist organization in central Florida announced plans on Wednesday to distribute atheist and agnostic informational materials in local schools after a group of Christians distributed Bibles

Atheistic and agnostic material is a plot by the sharia law believing gay secular muslims. /

69 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:20pm

re: #63 Bulworth

Why are all the secular atheist humanists so angry! /

It’s Thursday.

70 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:10:56pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Can someone help me answer a question?

My neighbors are armed to the teeth. Every freaking holiday they post pics of all the guns they get their teenagers not to mention all the anti-Obama crap you’d see from a typical wingnut on facebook. They also refer to their multi family 20 acre lot with 5 houses on it(mom/dad, their 3 grown daughters with their husbands and kids and a couple other family members)”The Compound”.

What’s unnerving to me right now is that someone over there is target practicing maybe 150 feet from my backyard. There’s nothing like playing with the dog or doing some gardening to the sound of shots being fired. My dog won’t go out if she hears the sound and frankly,I’m not willing to run the risk of going out there while shots are being fired.

I checked the law, there’s nothing th

Honestly? If you can afford it, move. It’s not the best answer, but quite frankly, they’re a powder keg. It sounds like they consider Ruby Ridge an ideal way to raise a family.

71 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:11:20pm

re: #64 Kragar

Nice catch. Seeing wing nuts flush their money down a toilet always brightens my day.

I still have warm fuzzies from the epic fail that was the GOP campaign and consulting machinery for Romney 2012.

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:11:32pm

My short rant on gun rights and a gun nut troll hammer:

1. The original idea behind the Second Amendment was that the states could form militias as a check on the power of a central government. Those who have heard of this thing called the Civil War, know that the notion that the states could use their armies against the federal government was put permanently to bed at Appomattox in 1865. The modern form of the Second Amendment is called the National Guard.

2. The other idea behind it was to allow people who hunted and defended their homes on the frontier to do so. We don’t have a frontier anymore, and looking at the systematic genocide of native Americans as a good thing marks one as crazy.

3. But let’s say you are a strict constructionist and demand that constitution be read as it was meant at the time of writing… O.K. if a state of the union wants to conscript every male over the age of 18 into a militia and issue them a muzzle loader… ok.

4. On a more serious note, the idea that your common gun nut, with his gut hanging over his tactical pants, can take on the army or the marines with his home arsenal is pretty ridiculous. The Army and the Marines have all sorts of hardware that should never be in the hands of any civilian as a matter of common sense, but as a matter of the Second Amendment, dude seriously, what is your bushmaster going to do against a predator drone? What exactly would the brave Texas Navy (seriously, a real thing) do against a modern destroyer, other than blow up, burn to death and sink?

And while we are at it, it is all the rage for certain wingnuts to talk secession. I get that it is about as difficult to get certain rootin’ tootin’ Texans (and others) to threaten secession as it is to get a sorority girl to do fruity shots, but seriously, Appomattox, modern Marines, napalm etc…

5. On a more serious note… the solution is not everyone has a gun. If you imagine a crowded dark theater or a school with a shooter and a bunch of cowboys trying to shoot the shooter clearly, what you see are a bunch of dead kids in the crossfire and the copps not knowing who to shoot, leading to a lot of cowboys getting clipped by the cops.

6. I’m not saying that target shooting isn’t fun. I’m not saying that hunting isn’t a legitimate and since we’ve killed the predators, even necessary sport. Ok I get that, but the new laws aren’t aimed at those things. On the other hand, Mr. tactical camo who sees his gun as his “manhood licence” is really just an overcompensating loser who sees a weapon as a substitute for his little used cock. I am not interested in seeing others die just so some dipshit can have his tough guy masturbation fantasies. No seriously fuck him. He will just have to learn to be a productive and capable man in order to assuage his feelings of inadequacy instead.

73 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:12:09pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

On another note, check out my latest page (just be warned it could raise your blood pressure to dangerously high levels)

Excellent page… Yee-Hawww

74 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:13:02pm

re: #62 Ghost of Tom Joad

I’m in GA. I looked at the law, it doesn’t say anything about discharging a weapon on your property unless you’re less than 150 ft from a public road. I can’t find anything else that applies. I was just wondering if the county sheriff is who I would talk to about this since we are not inside any city or town limits.

75 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:13:40pm

re: #67 Amory Blaine

Yesterday I mentioned how Wisconsin may consider playing with the electoral college to get more votes for republicans.

Apparently they’re rockin and rollin in PA to do just that.

Pennsylvania House Republicans Introduce Bill To Rig The 2016 Presidential Election

The real civil war, not the NRA distraction.

76 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:13:58pm

Yup.

77 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:14:40pm

Every climate change article at DailyTech is rife with deniers in the comment sections. Read them for your amusement.

Top Climate Official: Don’t be Confused by Flat-lining Temperatures, Warming is Worse

78 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:15:42pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Yup.

Here comes Frummy Boo Boo

79 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:15:54pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

A nuclear armed society is a polite society.

And a few of them glow in the dark slightly.

80 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:15:56pm

re: #67 Amory Blaine

I wonder if anyone here will care to defend this crooked scheme. It is clever, from a sociopathic point of view.

However, it also marks the GOP plainly as a group of thugs interested in nothing other than their own power and ruling over others.

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:16:11pm

re: #66 Kragar

Sounds about right.

I’m making two assumptions:
1. The school board is cowardly enough that it’s just going to cut and run rather than keep a policy allowing different groups to distribute materials in the face of the screaming fanatics.

2. The school board is sane enough to not attempt to play games in trying to ban various groups based on what they espouse. That is fast-tracking a lawsuit they will lose with the resultant legal costs to be eaten by their school district’s tax payers.

82 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:17:01pm

re: #77 Amory Blaine

Every climate change article at DailyTech is rife with deniers in the comment sections. Read them for your amusement.

Top Climate Official: Don’t be Confused by Flat-lining Temperatures, Warming is Worse

I am convinced that the deniers have a large contingent who are actually paid lobby trolls spreading that crap professionally. They are on every non-blog news site like flies on shit when someone points out the reality of climate change.

83 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:17:14pm

Commies.

84 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:18:19pm

re: #82 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I am convinced that the deniers have a large contingent who are actually paid lobby trolls spreading that crap professionally. They are on every non-blog news site like flies on shit when someone points out the reality of climate change.

Just another example of the blessings of the free market in action.

//dripping.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:18:29pm

re: #75 Kragar

The real civil war, not the NRA distraction.

And legal. Not moral, ethical, or fair mind you.

And also resulting in very little future campaign spending in Pennsylvania. Once the EC votes are essentially locked in there is no real reason for the campaigns to spend any money in the state since the results are known and the influence of being a potential swing state is lost.

86 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:18:33pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Yup.

I love how he calls it “his party.” Look, if you’re a Republican that’s disgusted with what your party has become, then most likely, at this point in history, you’re not a Republican anymore. You’re most likely in line with a centrist/moderate Democrat. Everything has taken this rightward lurch. Either you went with it or you stayed put.

I swear, people and “their party.” It’s like a guy who holds onto love of an ex-wife who slept around and tried to poison him. It’s over man, let her go.

87 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:19:00pm

re: #80 EPR-radar

I assume it’s the new Teabag Party manifesto, combined with repealing the 17th Amendment (and the 14th through the 16th while they’re at it), outlawing Shariah Law, and Agenda 21.

88 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:19:14pm

California lawmaker: Guns are ‘essential to living the way God intended’

“Guns are used an average of 3 million times a year according to the Clinton Justice Department,” Assemblyman Tim Donnelly told the Christian talk radio show The Bottom Line on Wednesday. “That’s like 6,900 times a day. That’s the high end of the statistics, other people say it’s only 200 times a day.”

“Whatever that number is, they are used to defend human life,” he explained. “They are used to defend our property and our families and our faith and our freedom, and they are absolutely essential to living the way God intended for us to live.”

Once again, a so called conservative proves that modern Christianity worships Khorne, not Jesus.

89 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:20:03pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Yup.

Pretty much. Frum’s a smart enough guy but this attitude by him and the others is annoying. What you’re shocked by this? Do you not remember the 1990’s at all when Bill Clinton got the same kind of crap that Obama is getting now? I remember Helms said Clinton would need a bulletproof vest if he ever visited North Carolina. And not to mention the jokes about killing federal agents which is I believe what made H.W Bush quite the NRA in the first place.

90 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:20:23pm
91 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:20:47pm

re: #88 Kragar

California lawmaker: Guns are ‘essential to living the way God intended’

Once again, a so called conservative proves that modern Christianity worships Khorne, not Jesus.

Donnelly might want to make sure he puts a rubber on his .45 next time. Wouldn’t want him to catch anything…

92 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:21:02pm
93 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:21:20pm

re: #83 Gus

Commies.

PBO and his thugs are cooking the books before taking away everyone’s guns and Bibles. /

94 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:21:27pm

When you get down to it, what the President proposed is pretty weak. There are some good ideas and nothing I wouldn’t support, but I would have liked to see much stronger measures, including some kind of attempt to deal with the handgun issue.

95 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:22:27pm

Things he might be thinking but would never actually say:
I’m President, Bitch!

96 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:22:57pm

So, I just saw this thing at Tbogg’s place:

Image: Untitled.png

…and is it just me, or is the Wall Street Journal trying to drum up sympathy for rich people by stealing an iconic image of the suffering poor:

Image: The-Great-Depression.jpg

Also, did I mention that fuck the Wall Street Journal?

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:23:04pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

When you get down to it, what the President proposed is pretty weak. There are some good ideas and nothing I wouldn’t support, but I would have liked to see much stronger measures, including some kind of attempt to deal with the handgun issue.

He proposed reasonable measures that no sane person would opoose.

And prompted a flood of vituperation from a group of people out to prove that they are anything but sane.

He punked them big time.

98 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:23:26pm

If guns are biblical based, why did non-Christians invent them? Really this is why they can’t be reasoned with. Many of these people really feel their right to bear arms comes from the Bible and to them anything from the Bible should trumpet anything else. That’s scary folks.

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:24:06pm

re: #88 Kragar

California lawmaker: Guns are ‘essential to living the way God intended’

Once again, a so called conservative proves that modern Christianity worships Khorne, not Jesus.

Not a very good grasp of statistics and math either. Granting him 3 million/year is still a small number given a population over 315 million.

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:24:12pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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Things he might be thinking but would never actually say:
I’m President, Bitch!

“Hey, Mitt Romney, you see this, you’re never going to do this ever.”

101 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:24:35pm
102 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:24:41pm
“Whatever that number is, they are used to shoot at defenseless animals defend human life,” he explained. “They are used to increase our feelings of manliness defend our property and our families and our faith and our freedom, and they are absolutely essential to giving us something to do when we aren’t watching TV and going to car races living the way God intended for us to live.”
103 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:24:48pm

re: #86 Ghost of Tom Joad

I love how he calls it “his party.” Look, if you’re a Republican that’s disgusted with what your party has become, then most likely, at this point in history, you’re not a Republican anymore. You’re most likely in line with a centrist/moderate Democrat. Everything has taken this rightward lurch. Either you went with it or you stayed put.

I swear, people and “their party.” It’s like a guy who holds onto love of an ex-wife who slept around and tried to poison him. It’s over man, let her go.

Any vote for a Republican, any time, in any election, is a vote for all of this shit. There is nothing left in the rotting carcass of what used to be a legitimate political party that is worth salvaging. If you are a stupid, pea-brained hater, then go ahead and vote Republican. If you aren’t, and are still thinking of voting Republican, it is really time to ask yourself: Why am I voting for this crap?

104 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:25:04pm

re: #74 A Mom Anon

I’m in GA. I looked at the law, it doesn’t say anything about discharging a weapon on your property unless you’re less than 150 ft from a public road. I can’t find anything else that applies. I was just wondering if the county sheriff is who I would talk to about this since we are not inside any city or town limits.

[Link: crime.about.com…]

Seems legal there, as far as that is concerned. But each town/county can have their own laws as to distance, what type of weapon etc. so I would find the # of the local Sheriff/State Police (county guys are usually stupid) and ask them specifically if what they’re doing is legal.

And seriously, if you’re their only neighbor, do be careful, because if the cops come snooping around, they’ll know you did it, and from what you described, they’re probably not the most forgiving of folks.

105 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:25:42pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

When you get down to it, what the President proposed is pretty weak. There are some good ideas and nothing I wouldn’t support, but I would have liked to see much stronger measures, including some kind of attempt to deal with the handgun issue.

Hopefully, you weren’t surprised by this. Voted for him twice, would do it again. However, I’m of the opinion that he still wants to be seen as some moderate uniter, inexplicably oblivious to the fact the Republican Party would rather destroy the US than govern with him.

I’d love to play poker against him. I’m terrible at it, but I’d still bust him out in two hands.

106 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:26:17pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

When you get down to it, what the President proposed is pretty weak. There are some good ideas and nothing I wouldn’t support, but I would have liked to see much stronger measures, including some kind of attempt to deal with the handgun issue.

I strongly believe that much like the support of Gay marriage, the president’s hand was forced by events. He is a naturally very cautious leader who would much rather negotiate on things he believes are politically viable. I am certain that he believes in gun control, but I am also fairly certain he would have considered this as one of the things “to do later” had not Newton occurred and much like his stances on climate, is not really interested in proposing game changers.

107 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:26:47pm

re: #97 Sol Berdinowitz

He proposed reasonable measures that no sane person opoose.

And prompted a flood of vituperation from a group of people out to prove that they are anything but sane.

He punked them big time.

That too.

108 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:27:04pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

And what it comes down to is that his proposals are the things he thinks have a snowball’s chance of passing through Congress - this Congress. He purposefully weeded out anything that could be considered controversial if a GOPer had proposed it.

In fact, some of his ideas are essentially what the GOP and NRA had proposed - regarding mental health for instance and instead both go off acting as though Obama is confiscating guns.

It’s a similar strategy to his take on health care reform. Coopt the GOP’s central idea (individual mandate) and get it done. Then watch as the GOP engages in pretzel logic to claim the sensible thing is illegal, illogical, or otherwise wrong.

That’s the reason that some of this might actually get enacted and funded.

109 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:27:05pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

Any vote for a Republican, any time, in any election, is a vote for all of this shit. There is nothing left in the rotting carcass of what used to be a legitimate political party that is worth salvaging.

A+ point, would quote again.

It always makes me shake my head when people object to all this shit then vote for the GOP anyway because “their guy” is more reasonable or whatever. Bullshit. Voting GOP means supporting the crazies and their ideas.

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:28:39pm

re: #103 EPR-radar

Any vote for a Republican, any time, in any election, is a vote for all of this shit. There is nothing left in the rotting carcass of what used to be a legitimate political party that is worth salvaging. If you are a stupid, pea-brained hater, then go ahead and vote Republican. If you aren’t, and are still thinking of voting Republican, it is really time to ask yourself: Why am I voting for this crap?

I’ve been saying that here for about six years now.

111 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:28:51pm

re: #106 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I strongly believe that much like the support of Gay marriage, the president’s hand was forced by events. He is a naturally very cautious leader who would much rather negotiate on things he believes are politically viable. I am certain that he believes in gun control, but I am also fairly certain he would have considered this as one of the things to do later had not Newton occurred.

Gun control has been a losing issue for Democrats for a long time. Obama is being very cautious here, and I pretty much agree with a cautious strategy. FFS, an assault weapon ban probably cannot get out of the Senate, let alone the House. I don’t want the Democrats to lose the Senate over a gun control law, especially if it doesn’t pass.

112 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:29:13pm

re: #96 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Yeah, the WSJ is going to get me all weepy for people who are making over $250k. /

It’s their core audience though, and that tax hit might be just enough to cause ‘em to drop their WSJ subscription.

113 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:29:32pm

re: #109 Lidane

A+ point, would quote again.

It always makes me shake my head when people object to all this shit then vote for the GOP anyway because “their guy” is more reasonable or whatever. Bullshit. Voting GOP means supporting the crazies and their ideas.

It’s like what you hear from some of the remaining Republicans here. Everything is ‘my party.’ It doesn’t matter how awful a candidate is as long as he helps ‘my party.’ It shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills, which is exactly what those people want.

114 AntonSirius  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:30:33pm

re: #27 Gus

My next house will be surrounded by land mines, watch towers, and machine guns nests.

So you’re moving to Beck’s Citadel?

115 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:31:04pm

re: #108 lawhawk

Yeah, Obama’s a big believer that incremental progress is better than no progress, an attitude I support. Still, it gets old seeing nothing really change, year after year.

It makes the right wing sturm und drang look even sillier, that they’re freaking out over gun control proposals that are actually extremely mild.

116 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:31:20pm

re: #95 lawhawk

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Things he might be thinking but would never actually say:
I’m President, Bitch!

117 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:32:57pm

re: #113 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s like what you hear from some of the remaining Republicans here. Everything is ‘my party.’ It doesn’t matter how awful a candidate is as long as he helps ‘my party.’ It shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills, which is exactly what those people want.

The only thing I can think of is that at some point they made a determination that voting for Democrats is unthinkable, and literally no power on earth could warrant revisiting that decision.

For my part, my voting for Republicans as they stand now is unthinkable. However, if they alter their essential nature over time, this decision could be revisited.

Evidently, the mental model that Republican voters have of the Democratic party must be worse than the GOP reality, which is impressive testimony to the power of propaganda.

118 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:33:02pm

re: #113 Ghost of Tom Joad

It’s like what you hear from some of the remaining Republicans here. Everything is ‘my party.’ It doesn’t matter how awful a candidate is as long as he helps ‘my party.’ It shows a complete lack of critical thinking skills, which is exactly what those people want.

They have a delusion that they can save it somehow. But yet they’ll keep on rewarding the party by voting party line even when they claim to disagree with the candidate because “team” matters more than anything else. “Team” is fine in sports, in politics, it shouldn’t matter shit. I’d gladly vote for Republican candidates if they had some that were reasonable and weren’t foaming at the mouth but no they spit in my face and nominate people like Bob McDonnell, George Allen, and others for office.

119 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:33:18pm
120 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:34:59pm

re: #76 Charles Johnson

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Yup.

121 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:35:12pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

They have a delusion that they can save it somehow. But yet they’ll keep on rewarding the party by voting party line even when they claim to disagree with the candidate because “team” matters more than anything else. “Team” is fine in sports, in politics, it shouldn’t matter shit. I’d gladly vote for Republican candidates if they had some that were reasonable and weren’t foaming at the mouth but no they spit in my face and nominate people like Bob McDonnell, George Allen, and others for office.

I take a hard line these days. For example, in a local election it might be possible that I agree more with the GOP candidate than the Democratic party on specific local issues, and the local campaigns don’t touch on national issues. Even so, I would vote for the Democrat in that situation.

122 Destro  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:36:30pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Can someone help me answer a question?

My neighbors are armed to the teeth. Every freaking holiday they post pics of all the guns they get their teenagers not to mention all the anti-Obama crap you’d see from a typical wingnut on facebook. They also refer to their multi family 20 acre lot with 5 houses on it(mom/dad, their 3 grown daughters with their husbands and kids and a couple other family members)”The Compound”.

What’s unnerving to me right now is that someone over there is target practicing maybe 150 feet from my backyard. There’s nothing like playing with the dog or doing some gardening to the sound of shots being fired. My dog won’t go out if she hears the sound and frankly,I’m not willing to run the risk of going out there while shots are being fired.

I checked the law, there’s nothing that stops them from doing this, but honest to god it’s getting obnoxious. They only started doing this recently,I’ve been here for 15 yrs and they never shot guns out in the yard til now. Should I call the county sheriff and ask if there’s any law or rule,or should I just let it go?

Call the law. They maybe violating noise pollution ordinances of not shooting ones.

123 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:36:47pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

I take a hard line these days. For example, in a local election it might be possible that I agree more with the GOP candidate than the Democratic party on specific local issues, and the local campaigns don’t touch on national issues. Even so, I would vote for the Democrat in that situation.

Yep. In the past, I would disagree but now I don’t see any reason to vote for any Republican candidate.

124 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:37:16pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

Also one more thought:

A) Let’s say that we went ahead and split the country up for a civil war. On one side are the anti-Obama, right wing, freedom loving “Patriots” and the other side is well, everyone else.

Demographically speaking, would that not mean that the non anti-Obama side would outnumber the anti-Obama side by about 2:1…and be significantly younger?

Not mention that our Socialist Commie European Allies, and all their military might, would side with the pro-Obama “country”.

125 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:37:49pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

I take a hard line these days. For example, in a local election it might be possible that I agree more with the GOP candidate than the Democratic party on specific local issues, and the local campaigns don’t touch on national issues. Even so, I would vote for the Democrat in that situation.

That’s where am I at. I’ve told this to the faces of a couple Republicans running for local office (including mayor).

I’m polite, I don’t yell, and I apologize for using the term “batshit”, but I tell them in no uncertain terms that they work for a party who is run by lunatics.

126 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:39:19pm

re: #117 EPR-radar

Funny, that hits on something I posted a couple days ago. We’ve seen shifts in each party over the years, and what we’re seeing now is as the Republican party moves more and more off the deep end, sane ones are jumping ship and starting to vote Democrat, which is starting to turn the Democratic party more conservative over time. In ~30 years or so, what we might see is the Republican party cease to be politically viable as it currently stands (well, Nationally anyway, and locally as there’s more integration and immigration and old people die).

Eventually, we could possibly have the far left and far right come together and reform it into some liberal-libertarian hodgepodge.

127 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:39:22pm

re: #124 Dr. Matt

Not mention that our Socialist Commie European Allies, and all their military might, would side with the pro-Obama “country”.

But China might side with the anti-Obama side covertly just for the advantages of watching the rival superpower take its eye off the Pacific and Taiwan in order to deal with internal matters. Not to mention inability to properly deal with international trade and other issues.

128 AntonSirius  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:40:02pm

re: #96 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

So, I just saw this thing at Tbogg’s place:

Image: Untitled.png

…and is it just me, or is the Wall Street Journal trying to drum up sympathy for rich people by stealing an iconic image of the suffering poor:

Image: The-Great-Depression.jpg

Also, did I mention that fuck the Wall Street Journal

So, soshulizm = a 1.25% income tax increase. Good to know.

129 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:40:03pm

Instead of guns, people need to carry pocket trebuchets.

130 iossarian  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:40:06pm

re: #121 EPR-radar

I take a hard line these days. For example, in a local election it might be possible that I agree more with the GOP candidate than the Democratic party on specific local issues, and the local campaigns don’t touch on national issues. Even so, I would vote for the Democrat in that situation.

You’ve also got to look at what they’re doing at the state and local level with regard to gerrymandering. Your local Republican might have some reasonable ideas for local politics, but unfortunately he (usually a he) will end up enabling some pretty nasty stuff at the state and national level.

131 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:40:35pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Instead of guns, people need to carry pocket trebuchets.

Rubber bands and paper clips.

132 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:41:17pm

re: #130 iossarian

You’ve also got to look at what they’re doing at the state and local level with regard to gerrymandering. Your local Republican might have some reasonable ideas for local politics, but unfortunately he (usually a he) will end up enabling some pretty nasty stuff at the state and national level.

QFT. The indefensible crap in the PA state house about apportioning electoral votes by congressional district being an excellent example.

133 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:41:46pm

re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader

Rubber bands and paper clips.

Rubber bands and chewing gum.

134 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:41:58pm

The Republicans will continue to get a large enough share of the vote to be a major party, at least at a state and local level. And they will continue to explain away their diminishing national influence with demographic shift, people wanting “free stuff” and the general moral/religious decline of our once great white nation.

135 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:42:04pm

re: #41 A Mom Anon

Can someone help me answer a question?

My neighbors are armed to the teeth. Every freaking holiday they post pics of all the guns they get their teenagers not to mention all the anti-Obama crap you’d see from a typical wingnut on facebook. They also refer to their multi family 20 acre lot with 5 houses on it(mom/dad, their 3 grown daughters with their husbands and kids and a couple other family members)”The Compound”.

What’s unnerving to me right now is that someone over there is target practicing maybe 150 feet from my backyard. There’s nothing like playing with the dog or doing some gardening to the sound of shots being fired. My dog won’t go out if she hears the sound and frankly,I’m not willing to run the risk of going out there while shots are being fired.

I checked the law, there’s nothing that stops them from doing this, but honest to god it’s getting obnoxious. They only started doing this recently,I’ve been here for 15 yrs and they never shot guns out in the yard til now. Should I call the county sheriff and ask if there’s any law or rule,or should I just let it go?

I might be able to help, but I might need some info that you should not post. For a start see if there are any noise or nuisance laws. If any rounds are departing their yard it’s a public hazard.

136 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:42:12pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

re: #124 Dr. Matt

Not to mention, the non-wingnut side has things like MIT, Caltech, Berkely, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and all the national labs and all the “toys” that people like us can dream up.

Honestly, there is stuff I have seen in certain labs, that would make a gun armed wingnut into a single crisped shoe surrounded by what looks like a steaming pile of freeze dried coffee .

137 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:42:34pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Instead of guns, people need to carry pocket trebuchets.

Who said I don’t.

138 iossarian  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:43:58pm

re: #136 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #124 Dr. Matt

Not to mention, the non-wingnut side has things like MIT, Caltech, Berkely, Harvard, Johns Hopkins, and all the national labs and all the “toys” that people like us can dream up.

Honestly, there is stuff I have seen in certain labs, that would make a gun armed wingnut into a single crisped shoe surrounded by what looks like a steaming pile of freeze dried coffee .

Ah, but you forget the power of shouting WOLVERINES and hiding in pine forests.

Victory is assured for the proud Duchy of Wingnuttia!

139 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:44:09pm
140 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:44:29pm

re: #137 lawhawk

Who said I don’t.

Is that a catapult in your pocket, or are you just, well, you know…

141 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:44:30pm

re: #126 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny, that hits on something I posted a couple days ago. We’ve seen shifts in each party over the years, and what we’re seeing now is as the Republican party moves more and more off the deep end, sane ones are jumping ship and starting to vote Democrat, which is starting to turn the Democratic party more conservative over time. In ~30 years or so, what we might see is the Republican party cease to be politically viable as it currently stands (well, Nationally anyway, and locally as there’s more integration and immigration and old people die).

Eventually, we could possibly have the far left and far right come together and reform it into some liberal-libertarian hodgepodge.

A case can be made that Obama is an Eisenhower Republican on economic issues (and a bit more liberal on social issues), so the Democrats are getting more conservative. In fact, the reasonable range of US policy positions is usually represented in the various factions of the Democratic party.

The GOP contributes thrown shit.

142 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:44:52pm

Can’t wait to see what kind of nuttiness the Republicans have in mind here for Governor-Lt Governor-Attorney General. Since Cuccinnelli’s going to be heading up the ticket. I almost expect to see a nut like Bob Marshall picked for Lt Governor or AG. Some of you may be familiar with him. He’s the Virginia House of Delegates member who has claimed amongst other things that conditions like Downs Syndrome are God’s punishment for abortion and he’s a notorious homophobe. He also was very nearly the GOP nominee for Senate in 2008 and probably would have been had his opponent not been a former governor/RNC chair, Jim Gilmore.

143 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:45:36pm

re: #139 lawhawk

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And Christie’s star keeps on fading but at the same time his re-election chances go up every time he shows he’s not insane.

144 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:46:49pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

And Christie’s star keeps on fading but at the same time his re-election chances go up every time he shows he’s not insane.

Christie can run for NJ GOV, or for US president general election.

However, he cannot survive a GOP presidential primary.

145 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:27pm

re: #139 lawhawk

Who cares? It’s his fault Obummer won a second term anyway!

He’s just another RINO.

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146 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:33pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

147 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:40pm

re: #139 lawhawk

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Christie has sensibly realized that the long term prospects of the GOP are not so good. He has also realized that NJ and NY republicans aren’t the same thing as the wingnuts from other states - and that they really want some federal disaster relief.

The man has been a corporate, climate denying, not always certain about evolution, rat to be sure. His transformation is him leaving a sinking ship, and it will be complete when he starts putting Sandy together with climate.

148 Locker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:45pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Instead of guns, people need to carry pocket trebuchets.

You been playing too much GW2 WvW. I’ve got about 11 trebs on my main right now.

149 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:46pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Christie can run for NJ GOV, or for US president general election.

However, he cannot survive a GOP presidential primary.

Yeah, I don’t see him surviving a GOP primary. He’ll get the Huntsman treatment and have the remaining reasonable R’s line up for him but he’ll be routed for daring to say nice things about Obama.

150 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:47:48pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Christie can run for NJ GOV, or for US president general election.

However, he cannot survive a GOP presidential primary.

I think he knows that, and that it was a realization he made before Hurricane Sandy hit.

151 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:48:15pm

2013: the GOP doubles down on stupid.

152 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:48:18pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Cuccinelli is a special kind of teabag wingnut.

153 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:48:30pm

Since their corporate offices are here in Austin:

154 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:48:34pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

And Christie’s star keeps on fading but at the same time his re-election chances go up every time he shows he’s not insane.

Call me crazy, but with the way things are, he looks to be setting himself up to be a VP pick.

For the next Democratic Presidential nominee.

He’ll never get anywhere in a Republican primary. He’s dead to them. Their nominee won’t pick him because the down-ticket races will suffer as people stay home.

Some Entrepreneurial Dem will pick him up to look all bipartisany, hoping to pick up some sane Republican votes along the way. Crazy, I know.

155 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:49:02pm
156 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:49:28pm

re: #154 Ghost of Tom Joad

Clinton-Christie 2016. Bwhahaha

157 Bubblehead II  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:49:38pm

re: #131 Feline Fearless Leader

Rubber bands and paper clips.

How to weaponize office supplies

158 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:49:38pm

re: #154 Ghost of Tom Joad

Call me crazy, but with the way things are, he looks to be setting himself up to be a VP pick.

For the next Democratic Presidential nominee.

He’ll never get anywhere in a Republican primary. He’s dead to them. Their nominee won’t pick him because the down-ticket races will suffer as people stay home.

Some Entrepreneurial Dem will pick him up to look all bipartisany, hoping to pick up some sane Republican votes along the way. Crazy, I know.

Hell no. The Democrats need to remember that they stand for more than not being batshit insane.

159 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:50:02pm

re: #144 EPR-radar

Christie can run for NJ GOV, or for US president general election.

However, he cannot survive a GOP presidential primary.

Or at least not the 2016 one. 2020? I guess maybe if the GOP gets obliterated in 2016 after running a “true conservative”.

I think much more likely is the continuing policy of wingnut appeal, complaining about demographics, and following policies aimed at modifying how the EC votes are distributed in certain states, more voter ID laws, and chasing after ways to win with their existing and shrinking base. Which would preclude Christie in 2020 as well.

160 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:50:07pm

Christie’s the next Huntsman or CHarlie Crist if you ask me. Someone who had a rising star once upon a time but one that will come crashing down because he’s not totally insane and willing to pander to the lunatics. I am no fan because he has other problems but instead of cursing Christie whenever he’s reasonable, they should be looking at him as how a responsible leader acts. Instead, they’ll look at idiots like Phil Bryant who was rambling about guns from the USSR and RIck Perry who thinks the solution is more prayer.

161 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:50:10pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

Can’t wait to see what kind of nuttiness the Republicans have in mind here for Governor-Lt Governor-Attorney General. Since Cuccinnelli’s going to be heading up the ticket. I almost expect to see a nut like Bob Marshall picked for Lt Governor or AG. Some of you may be familiar with him. He’s the Virginia House of Delegates member who has claimed amongst other things that conditions like Downs Syndrome are God’s punishment for abortion and he’s a notorious homophobe. He also was very nearly the GOP nominee for Senate in 2008 and probably would have been had his opponent not been a former governor/RNC chair, Jim Gilmore.

Cuccinelli, for a while, was competing in my top slot for most hated and vile Republican.

Admittedly, he has very stiff competition, but I think his upcoming campaign might just put him back into the winner’s circle.

162 Bulworth  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:50:54pm

re: #155 Lidane

Haven’t lived in NJ for a while now, but I’m still a bit surprised that Bret Schundler (sp) flamed out. Used to be Mayor of Jersey City, I think. Looked like the GOP’s next fair haired boy. Of course all that was pre-pre-teabag era. He’d probably be considered a Leftist Bully now.

163 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:51:50pm

re: #156 lawhawk

Clinton-Christie 2016. Bwhahaha

I don’t see Hillary going for it at this point. I don’t know. I don’t think Joe will either, he likes too much being able to be himself to be the top guy.

I could easily see Christie changing parties and hell, might even get in the primaries. I don’t think he’s a stupid man. He’s more of an opportunist.

164 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:52:10pm

re: #161 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Cuccinelli, for a while, was competing in my top slot for most hated and vile Republican.

Admittedly, he has very stiff competition, but I think his upcoming campaign might just put him back into the winner’s circle.

If I had the imagination and writing talent, it would be amusing to update Dante’s Inferno, populating the various circles of hell with assorted noxious wingnuts.

165 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:52:20pm

re: #152 Bulworth

Cuccinelli is a special kind of teabag wingnut.

Yes, he is. So much that it looks like Bill Bolling may bolt the GOP to run against him or will at least support Terry McAuliffe against him. Considering that Bolling’s been LTG for the last two governors, that’s something else. He’ll be rewritten as a RINO even though he’s plenty conservative albeit not like Cooch but few really are.

166 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:52:41pm
167 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:53:04pm

re: #161 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Cuccinelli, for a while, was competing in my top slot for most hated and vile Republican.

Admittedly, he has very stiff competition, but I think his upcoming campaign might just put him back into the winner’s circle.

Fortunately, I think he’s very beatable. Unfortunately, this state still has a lot of right wing nuts in it.

168 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:54:06pm

re: #159 Feline Fearless Leader

Or at least not the 2016 one. 2020? I guess maybe if the GOP gets obliterated in 2016 after running a “true conservative”.

I think much more likely is the continuing policy of wingnut appeal, complaining about demographics, and following policies aimed at modifying how the EC votes are distributed in certain states, more voter ID laws, and chasing after ways to win with their existing and shrinking base. Which would preclude Christie in 2020 as well.

I don’t think it is possible for the GOP to get obliterated in 2016, no matter what kind of fool they end up running. The red states aren’t going to go blue until demographic shifts occur, and 2016 is too early for that.

169 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:54:34pm

Are there any rumors of a serious primary challenge to Christie this year in NJ? I think he’d still win that easily but then again.

170 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:54:50pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Sometimes a Google ad makes you go WTF?

Wow, somebody photoshopped Fabio’s hair onto Margaret Thatcher and then photoshopped that onto some random white guy.

Weird.

171 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:55:43pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Sometimes a Google ad makes you go WTF?

The fuck.

172 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:55:56pm

re: #167 HappyWarrior

Fortunately, I think he’s very beatable. Unfortunately, this state still has a lot of right wing nuts in it.

I know (about the nuts)… we are in the same neck of the woods.

173 lawhawk  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:56:14pm

re: #169 HappyWarrior

No. There’s some action among Democrats, but it’s mostly a sideshow. Everyone realizes that Christie’s pretty much insurmountable at this point. The best shot would have been Booker (particularly with name recognition and media saavy), but Booker’s focusing on Lautenberg’s seat in the Senate instead.

174 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:56:54pm

Te’o is right up there with Lance Armstrong on my give-a-fuck-o-meter.

175 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:57:49pm

re: #172 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I know (about the nuts)… we are in the same neck of the woods.

Yeah, I still can’t believe Connolly nearly lost to Keith Finian in 2010. Friend of mine asked him to explain how he could decry big government and been in favor of the amendment that banned gay marriage here in the commonwealth. He had no answer, weasel. And of course, my district will be voting for Frank Wolf till he dies.

176 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 1:59:26pm

re: #173 lawhawk

No. There’s some action among Democrats, but it’s mostly a sideshow. Everyone realizes that Christie’s pretty much insurmountable at this point. The best shot would have been Booker (particularly with name recognition and media saavy), but Booker’s focusing on Lautenberg’s seat in the Senate instead.

That’s a smart move for Booker. I think the NJ governor race will be an easy one for Christie. The story will be the race here in Virginia which is interesting since we tend to vote for people out of the president’s party for governor following elections but Cooch hopeuflly will prove to be that exception.

177 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:01:33pm

re: #72 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Minor nit pick on point #3 —- the muzzle loader point is pretty much dead on arrival. No need to give gun nuts the opening for a “then freedom of the press is only for the press hardware that existed in the 1780s” distraction.

178 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:02:44pm

re: #162 Bulworth

Haven’t lived in NJ for a while now, but I’m still a bit surprised that Bret Schundler (sp) flamed out. Used to be Mayor of Jersey City, I think. Looked like the GOP’s next fair haired boy. Of course all that was pre-pre-teabag era. He’d probably be considered a Leftist Bully now.

IIRC, Schundler went full-on culture war when he ran against McGreevey for gov, which generally doesn’t play well here.

He was Christie’s Commissioner of Education until he got fired for botching a $400 million education grant from the Feds. It was one of Christie’s first major screw ups.

Lawhawk? Did I get that right?

179 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:08:36pm

Tea Party Nation: ‘Anti-American Marxist’ Obama ‘Wants to Destroy America’

The only people I see trying to destroy America are the ones who keep saying they’re the “Real Americans.”

180 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:09:48pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

Minor nit pick on point #3 —- the muzzle loader point is pretty much dead on arrival. No need to give gun nuts the opening for a “then freedom of the press is only for the press hardware that existed in the 1780s” distraction.

Yeah, but those folks don’t really read - especially books, so they wouldn’t think of that.

181 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:10:33pm

re: #179 Kragar

Tea Party Nation: ‘Anti-American Marxist’ Obama ‘Wants to Destroy America’

The only people I see trying to destroy America are the ones who keep saying they’re the “Real Americans.”

Yeah but they’re the reasonable ones, they told me so.

182 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:11:23pm

re: #129 b_sharp

Your old Twit account is out of the gulag.

(I have a very low follower count, so it’s easy to notice something like that.)

183 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:11:48pm

re: #180 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Yeah, but those folks don’t really read - especially books, so they wouldn’t think of that.

True, but this RW talking point has been seen in the wild. The handlers are more clever than the rubes.

184 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:14:34pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Your old Twit account is out of the gulag.

(I have a very low follower count, so it’s easy to notice something like that.)

Thanks Wrenchy.

185 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:14:53pm

The new 7 round capacity limit NY law is truly designed to screw with even the most law abiding citizen that wants a pistol or semi auto rifle for legitimate purposes. But Obama is taking all the NRA heat.

Looks to me like proof the Obama critics care little for real gun owners. They only care for their own causes and conspiracies.

186 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:17:28pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

Your old Twit account is out of the gulag.

(I have a very low follower count, so it’s easy to notice something like that.)

Oh hey WW we talked about a shared experience. How about another one from memory lane at the same time… Do you recall the mess the “new math” made?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

In 1973, Morris Kline published his critical book Why Johnny Can’t Add: the Failure of the New Math. It explains the desire to be relevant with mathematics representing something more modern than traditional topics. He says certain advocates of the new topics “ignored completely the fact that mathematics is a cumulative development and that it is practically impossible to learn the newer creations if one does not know the older ones” (p. 17). Furthermore, noting the trend to abstraction in New Math, Kline says “abstraction is not the first stage but the last stage in a mathematical development” (p. 98).

187 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:19:25pm

re: #185 Political Atheist

The new 7 round capacity limit NY law is truly designed to screw with even the most law abiding citizen that wants a pistol or semi auto rifle for legitimate purposes. But Obama is taking all the NRA heat.

Looks to me like proof the Obama critics care little for real gun owners. They only care for their own causes and conspiracies.

Not surprising. That’s why I’ve recommended that gun owners get a better advocacy group in place than the NRA. Reasonable gun owners aren’t going to like the results of a political tug of war between the NRA and those, like me, that are disgusted by the NRA and are steadily becoming more receptive to severe control and/or outright bans in response to NRA nonsense.

188 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:22:10pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

Not surprising. That’s why I’ve recommended that gun owners get a better advocacy group in place than the NRA. Reasonable gun owners aren’t going to like the results of a political tug of war between the NRA and those, like me, that are disgusted by the NRA and are steadily becoming more receptive to severe control and/or outright bans in response to NRA nonsense.

Yeah they do. If I were a gunowner, I’d hate the NRA for the image they’re giving of gunowners and gun rights advocates. There’s a way to discuss this issue like an adult without acting like any gun control measure is akin to Nazism and acting like every single tragedy would have been avoided if only someone had a gun. I’d also like them to understand why some of us don’t like guns or don’t want guns and that feeling that way doesn’t make us pussies or any less American. It’s a matter of choice just like owning a gun is.

189 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:24:11pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

So why don’t reasonable gun owners form their own group/lobby? It’s not like the NRA just now started being assholes.

190 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:24:55pm

re: #186 Political Atheist

Oh hey WW we talked about a shared experience. How about another one from memory lane at the same time… Do you recall the mess the “new math” made?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Oh pifle. New math was about getting the kids to understand math at a visceral level rather than just memorizing. They still learn the basics.
.

191 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:25:05pm
192 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:25:22pm

On the road to peak wingnut.

193 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:25:37pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Yeah they do. If I were a gunowner, I’d hate the NRA for the image they’re giving of gunowners and gun rights advocates. There’s a way to discuss this issue like an adult without acting like any gun control measure is akin to Nazism and acting like every single tragedy would have been avoided if only someone had a gun. I’d also like them to understand why some of us don’t like guns or don’t want guns and that feeling that way doesn’t make us pussies or any less American. It’s a matter of choice just like owning a gun is.

You mean you want them to understand how you came to be an unamerican pussy?/////

194 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:28:59pm

re: #189 A Mom Anon

So why don’t reasonable gun owners form their own group/lobby? It’s not like the NRA just now started being assholes.

We’ve tried on a number of occasions. But the NRA controls the propaganda mind share. Joe Reporter needs a quote, who’s he going to call? Plus all non-NRA groups get marginalized by the right as being Anti-Gun unless they’re like the GOA and even more insane than the NRA.

Right now the only one even a tiny bit of traction is the Liberal Gun Club and it’s pretty tiny. I am a paying member FWIW.

[Link: www.theliberalgunclub.com…]

195 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:29:00pm

re: #189 A Mom Anon

So why don’t reasonable gun owners form their own group/lobby? It’s not like the NRA just now started being assholes.

You got me.

196 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:30:46pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

When you get down to it, what the President proposed is pretty weak. There are some good ideas and nothing I wouldn’t support, but I would have liked to see much stronger measures, including some kind of attempt to deal with the handgun issue.

Does his 10 round limit not apply to handguns?

197 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:32:33pm

I can haz nukes and drones?

198 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:32:42pm

re: #192 Gus

On the road to peak wingnut.

It’s paved with galt.

199 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:34:51pm

Funny or Die has a response to the NRA’s batshit ad:

200 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:35:00pm

Honestly though on the subject of the NRA, I think it should have been an eyeopener when H.W Bush quit because he was disgusted at NRA officials calling law enforcement agents thugs. I mean here’s a fairly conservative Republican president- yeah I know seen as a RINO now.

201 darthstar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:36:16pm

All this talk about wingnuts has got the content-generated banner ads here asking me if I want to view my arrest record. I don’t have an arrest record! I need to get one!

202 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:36:40pm

re: #199 Lidane

Funny or Die has a response to the NRA’s batshit ad:

[Embedded content]

Can rely on FoD for a good laugh.

203 darthstar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:37:44pm
204 darthstar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:39:16pm

re: #197 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I can haz nukes and drones?

I have a nuclear submarine in my pocket…or I’m just happy to see you.

205 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:39:39pm

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence rolls out an ad urging John Barrow (D. GA, 12th) to reject NRA money:

206 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:40:10pm

re: #201 darthstar

All this talk about wingnuts has got the content-generated banner ads here asking me if I want to view my arrest record. I don’t have an arrest record! I need to get one!

Got a haircut
got a silver tooth
Gonna get myself arrested
I got some friends in my BMW
Tryin’ to get themselves arrested

-Gomez “Get myself arrested”


Good, funny song.

207 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:43:13pm

Thirty hostages reported killed in Algeria assault

Thirty hostages and at least 11 Islamist militants were killed on Thursday when Algerian forces stormed a desert gas plant in a bid to free many dozens of Western and local captives, an Algerian security source said.

Details remained scant - including for Western governments, some of which did little to disguise irritation at being kept in the dark by Algeria before the raid and its bloody outcome.

Two Japanese, two Britons and a French national were among at least seven foreigners killed, the source told Reuters. Eight of the dead hostages were Algerian. The nationalities of the rest, as well as of perhaps dozens more who escaped, were unclear.

almost 3 times as many hostages killed as terrorists. That’s not a good ratio.

208 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:45:31pm
209 darthstar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:46:09pm

re: #206 Eventual Carrion

I saw Gomez in concert once…good show.

210 darthstar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:47:18pm

Okay…gotta run for a bit. Got another phone screen at 3pm PST. (and a follow up phone interview with Company #1 from yesterday coming up tomorrow).

Play nice, everyone.

211 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 2:49:17pm

re: #209 darthstar

I saw Gomez in concert once…good show.

A friend turned me on to them a couple years back. Hope to catch their show when they come around the area next time.

212 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 3:09:01pm

re: #186 Political Atheist

Oh hey WW we talked about a shared experience. How about another one from memory lane at the same time… Do you recall the mess the “new math” made?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

From your link:

introduced in the U.S. shortly after the Sputnik crisis

I’m not that old!! Close, though. I hated the rote stuff, and enjoyed the conceptual parts. My biggest problem in math was following a brother who was always years ahead of his class, and having teachers assume the same ability from me. And then algebra… I ended up having to teach myself quadratic equations in college so I could finish a statistics class so I could graduate.

213 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 3:26:22pm
214 JABaker  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:31:38pm

re: #24 Gus

If Barton’s interpretation ever prevails in court, it will be high time to repeal the 2nd Amendment.


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