Shock News: Lance Armstrong Cheated Throughout His Career

And by “shock,” we mean “not shocking at all”
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The media are still pretending that the west coast is 3 hours behind the east coast. Shhh. We’re not supposed to know this yet…

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Live Updates on Armstrong’s Oprah Interview

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1 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:19:10pm
2 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:24:04pm

hard to find heroes these days

3 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:24:29pm
4 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:24:52pm

Centuries from now, archaeologists are going to use the fragmentary remains of our TV culture to ascertain that Oprah is the USAian Pope, and the last resort for penitent sinners.

5 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:25:53pm

re: #3 Gus

LAWSUIT!

6 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:26:36pm

re: #4 The Ghost of a Flea

When it’s really that anytime some celebrity fucked up, they think to themselves “what TV host has the dumbest audience of easily duped dittoheads that I can convince I’m not a piece of fucking shit.”

Oprah every time.

7 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:26:41pm

All cancer patients should be given a cocktail of whatever it was that Lance Armstrong has been ingesting.

8 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:27:12pm
9 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:27:39pm

Lance Armstrong was inspired by that South Park episode about the Jesus bracelets, which was really about Lance Armstrong.

10 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:28:35pm

My surprise, let me show you it.

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:29:42pm
12 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:29:55pm

Behold OPRAH, Christess of Broadcastia! Bestower of Gifts, Forgiver of Sins, Queen Emotress of our Nation! Kneel and Love Her! LET HER THINK AND FEEL FOR YOU!

Bits and pieces I’ve seen about the Armstrong saga seem to indicate that Lance is basically a big jerky Douchebag McJerkerson jerk-type guy. Not even Oprah can save him, IMO.

13 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:31:07pm

re: #6 Ghost of Tom Joad

When it’s really that anytime some celebrity fucked up, they think to themselves “what TV host has the dumbest audience of easily duped dittoheads that I can convince I’m not a piece of fucking shit.”

Oprah every time.

Talk show hosts on FOX News exist, but otherwise your point is taken.

14 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:31:43pm

This would pretty much be a non issue for me, except for that nasty business of ruining anyone that told the truth about Lance Armstrong.

As it is, he has demonstrated sterling moral qualifications for running for public office on the Republican ticket.

15 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:31:59pm

re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea

Talk show hosts on FOX News exist, but otherwise your point is taken.

Heh, I think FOX is the exact opposite. When somebody wants to prove they’re a dirty piece of shit, they go on FOX.

16 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:32:38pm

It was really funny hearing Oprah prevaricating on what she thought about Lance this morning.

On another note, I wonder how many years it’s gonna take before the magazine Outside puts a cyclist on the cover again. They were one of the biggest supporters of Armstrong.

17 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:32:43pm

Meh, shocka.
NOT!

18 Robert O.  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:33:34pm

I watched the whole thing. The only thing new appears to be Lance admitting what he has done. All the facts were already common knowledge. I do wonder that given the perjury, witness tempering (the most serious charges), what are the odds he will be facing prison?

19 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:33:39pm

I got pointed to this by another website (Skippy’s site).

In simple: The USPS sponsored Lance’s team (actually Thomas Weisel’s team) to the tune of $40 million, contingent among other things on being drug-free. So are we going to see action to get that money returned?

20 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:33:45pm

These douchebags have their specialized talents:

Armstrong is the go-to guy for beating drug testing.

Romney is the go-to guy for implementing dodgy tax evasion schemes.

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:34:09pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

Your winnings, sir.

22 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:36:55pm

re: #18 Robert O.

I can only imagine the forces that are mobilizing against Lance right now

23 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:37:47pm

re: #19 kirkspencer

I got pointed to this by another website (Skippy’s site).

In simple: The USPS sponsored Lance’s team (actually Thomas Weisel’s team) to the tune of $40 million, contingent among other things on being drug-free. So are we going to see action to get that money returned?

Oh, I imagine they will, though they’ll have to get in line. More than a few people are gonna want a piece of his hide before this is all over. I imagine first on the list will the long list of people, including former teammates and friends, he’s sued to keep his secret.

24 Varek Raith  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:38:21pm

They’re all cheaters as far as I’m concerned.
/Bitter

25 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:39:48pm

Clearly, the solution to this problem is to give everybody steroids.

/

26 kirkspencer  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:39:49pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Oh, I imagine they will, though they’ll have to get in line. More than a few people are gonna want a piece of his hide before this is all over. I imagine first on the list will the long list of people, including former teammates and friends, he’s sued to keep his secret.

a. government tends to get in front of the line.
b. forgot to mention, there’s also the possibility of criminal fraud charges for several people involved. Paraphrase: “Oh, we’re not doing drugs, and we’re conducting strict measures to ensure that is true…”

27 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:40:03pm

So how many millions did Oprah make off this and what was Lance’s cut?

28 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:40:20pm

re: #25 dragonath

Clearly, the solution to this problem is to give everybody steroids.

/

If you outlaw steroids, only outlaws will have shriveled balls./

29 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:40:39pm

[Link: www.imdb.com…]

30 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:41:25pm

re: #22 SpaceJesus

I can only imagine the forces that are mobilizing against Lance right now

Foremost among them, the federal government for Lance and his teams defrauding taxpayers via the USPS’ sponsorship of said teams.

Uncle Sam has a long memory and an even longer reach.

Don’t fuck with the Feds…

31 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:42:33pm

re: #29 jaunte

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[Link: www.imdb.com…]

Get it right, Patton…it was on the set of One Crazy Summer!

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32 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:42:38pm

re: #26 kirkspencer

a. government tends to get in front of the line.
b. forgot to mention, there’s also the possibility of criminal fraud charges for several people involved. Paraphrase: “Oh, we’re not doing drugs, and we’re conducting strict measures to ensure that is true…”

Ayep, assuming Lance avoids prison time, he can say goodbye to his fortune. No wonder he’s so eager to see the ban done away with, he’s gotta make some money to fight all the lawsuits headed his way.

33 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:43:41pm

re: #32 Targetpractice

Ayep, assuming Lance avoids prison time, he can say goodbye to his fortune. No wonder he’s so eager to see the ban done away with, he’s gotta make some money to fight all the lawsuits headed his way.

Is it wrong for me to hope that Lance spends the rest of his life alone and broke after all of this shit?

34 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:45:10pm

re: #33 TedStriker

Is it wrong for me to hope that Lance spends the rest of his life alone and broke after all of this shit?

Not in my opinion, but that’s because I tend to be a vindictive bastard. Nothing would please me more after all this than for the ban not only to remain, but for him to avoid prison time just to spend the rest of his life working deadbeat jobs in obscurity to pay back all the people’s he’s stepped on.

35 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:45:56pm

Wonder what Lance’s first wife thinks of all this.

36 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:45:57pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Not in my opinion, but that’s because I tend to be a vindictive bastard. Nothing would please me more after all this than for the ban not only to remain, but for him to avoid prison time just to spend the rest of his life working deadbeat jobs in obscurity to pay back all the people’s he’s stepped on.

Not wishing this on him, but I don’t think his ego will let him do that; I think he’ll eat a bullet before that happens.

The man threw away honesty and integrity for the shot(s) at the yellow jersey for nothing, in the end.

37 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:46:35pm

re: #33 TedStriker

It is so rare for an evil person to visibly get a serving of well-earned justice that I view it as festival time when it occurs.

38 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:49:12pm

re: #36 TedStriker

Hell, he would probably still have all of the TdF titles if he hadn’t made mortal enemies of a bunch of people by suing them. He knew how to beat the tests, and he should have done nothing other than that if he wanted to be competent about his doping. But no, he had to win everywhere, in the courts and in the court of public opinion, and that was too much to ask for.

39 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:50:17pm

re: #37 EPR-radar

It is so rare for an evil person to visibly get a serving of well-earned justice that I view it as festival time when it occurs.

The Red Hour! Festival! Festival!

40 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:50:34pm

[Link: www.rice.edu…]

This is what he was taking. Scary shit.

41 Dadaist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 7:51:34pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

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In moral terms, yes, mostly. Although there were some cyclists, both French and American, who refused to dope. Christophe Bassons might be the most famous that we know of.

But it’s worth saying that French cycling had its doping disaster with the 1998 Festina affair. And as a result, got a bit cleaner at least for a while. Not because the peloton suddenly developed a new ethical outlook, just because the risk-reward calculations changed. Particularly when French cyclists started getting worried about criminal charges.

42 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:01:14pm

The war on Drugs is over.

The Drugs won.

43 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:03:48pm

Since we’re talking about sports, this should go over well:

Tiger Woods Re-Proposes to Ex-Wife Elin Nordegren with $200 Million Prenup Because OH, SURE, WHY NOT

What could possibly go wrong?

44 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:04:38pm

re: #43 Lidane

Since we’re talking about sports, this should go over well:

Tiger Woods Re-Proposes to Ex-Wife Elin Nordegren with $200 Million Prenup Because OH, SURE, WHY NOT

What could possibly go wrong?

Most expensive grovel in history?

45 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:08:40pm

re: #40 Ghost of Tom Joad

Additional dangers of EPO include sudden death during sleep, which has killed approximately 18 pro cyclists in the past fifteen years, and the development of antibodies directed against EPO. In this later circumstance the individual develops anemia as a result of the body’s reaction against repeated EPO injections.

Fun stuff.

46 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:09:07pm

re: #43 Lidane

Since we’re talking about sports, this should go over well:

Tiger Woods Re-Proposes to Ex-Wife Elin Nordegren with $200 Million Prenup Because OH, SURE, WHY NOT

What could possibly go wrong?

“Daddy, why are you so afraid of Mommy?”
“Daddy’s not afraid of Mommy, he’s afraid of Mommy’s lawyer.”

47 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:10:15pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

“Daddy, why are you so afraid of Mommy?”
“Daddy’s not afraid of Mommy, he’s afraid of Mommy’s lawyer.”

Or “Daddy’s afraid of Mommy’s private investigators.”

48 freetoken  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:11:09pm

re: #42 Kragar

The war on Drugs is over.

The Drugs won.

Humans have been playing with pharmacology since, well, far back. All sorts of substances have been tried for this or that, often just for fun.

49 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:12:48pm

“If bleeding from the eyes persists for longer than four hours, contact a physician.”

50 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:12:53pm

re: #42 Kragar

A pedant, like me, is compelled to point out that the War on Drugs has never had anything to do with illegal drugs being abused by rich, white people.

51 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:17:33pm

Meanwhile, NBC is having an expose on Scientology on Rock Center.

Hopefully, that will get a ball rolling on investigations.

52 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:17:39pm

I just found out there’s a German fuel company named Nukem GmbH. All they have to do now is merge with Duke Energy.

53 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:19:21pm

re: #52 dragonath

I just found out there’s a German fuel company named Nukem GmbH. All they have to do now is merge with Duke Energy.

As long as they don’t rip Bruce Campbell off for their catchphrases, I’m good with that.

54 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:19:56pm

re: #52 dragonath

My personal favorite firm name is “Render Vanderslice and Associates”. Apparently, they do market research.

They should have been head count reduction consultants instead.

55 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:20:09pm

re: #53 Lidane

As long as they don’t rip Bruce Campbell off for their catchphrases, I’m good with that.

Hire him as the spokesman.

56 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:21:26pm

re: #54 EPR-radar

My personal favorite firm name is “Render Vanderslice and Associates”. Apparently, they do market research.

They should have been head count reduction consultants instead.

Recruiting and consulting firm, that way they could have business cards calling all their employees Professional Headhunters.

57 Lidane  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:21:52pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Hire him as the spokesman.

And pay him extra. Heh.

58 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:23:13pm

re: #57 Lidane

And pay him extra. Heh.

New company motto: “Hail to the King, baby.”

59 Stanghazi  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:27:36pm

re: #18 Robert O.

I watched the whole thing. The only thing new appears to be Lance admitting what he has done. All the facts were already common knowledge. I do wonder that given the perjury, witness tempering (the most serious charges), what are the odds he will be facing prison?

Hopefully he will be sued by those he sued and thrashed who were telling the truth.

Bully liar.

60 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:28:54pm

OT, but funny typo seen on a RW web site:

“Demonetization of Obama…”

Looks like they have defunding on the brain.

61 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:33:49pm

re: #51 ProBosniaLiberal

The stuff they did requires a crackdown magnitudes greater than the Branch Davidians at Waco.

Not only that, but the way they got Tax Exempt status was hinky, at best.

62 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:37:27pm

re: #61 ProBosniaLiberal

The stuff they did requires a crackdown magnitudes greater than the Branch Davidians at Waco.

Not only that, but the way they got Tax Exempt status was hinky, at best.

Not enough evidence to go after them, especially given the quality of the lawyers they have.

63 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:41:28pm

re: #43 Lidane

Since we’re talking about sports, this should go over well:

Tiger Woods Re-Proposes to Ex-Wife Elin Nordegren with $200 Million Prenup Because OH, SURE, WHY NOT

What could possibly go wrong?

Call me a romantic, I like the gesture if it is genuine.

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Most expensive grovel in history?

How much was that Laker purple diamond ring…. ? Pfffft only four million.

64 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:42:42pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Germany terms them a national security threat. I’ve heard the German Government has done wire-tapping in the past.

Ask Germany to turn over copies of everything they have. France, Belgium, (and to an extent) Norway have the same policies. Ask them to do the same.

Find one little thing, and nail them to the wall with it. Be warned though, the head nutcases are at least as well armed as the Waco-nuts.

65 EPR-radar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:44:20pm

re: #63 Political Atheist

I tend to be not romantic in general, and reading about Elin’s apparent request for a separate $350 million no-cheating clause in the prenup pretty much extinguishes any silly romantic notions I might have had in this case.

Tiger’s got an expensive obsession.

66 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:45:41pm

re: #63 Political Atheist

Call me a romantic, I like the gesture if it is genuine.

You’re hopeless. //

How much was that Laker purple diamond ring…. ? Pfffft only four million.

What a paltry little bauble. *snif*

67 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:50:53pm

re: #64 ProBosniaLiberal

Germany terms them a national security threat. I’ve heard the German Government has done wire-tapping in the past.

Ask Germany to turn over copies of everything they have. France, Belgium, (and to an extent) Norway have the same policies. Ask them to do the same.

Find one little thing, and nail them to the wall with it. Be warned though, the head nutcases are at least as well armed as the Waco-nuts.

Those German wiretaps were done without warrants and could not be used to build a case or in court. European nations tend to be more willing to allow use of wiretapping for national security purposes, but they don’t allow the products of such taps in court most of the time. The 4th Amendment prohibits such no-warrant policies being brought to the US.

68 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:51:03pm

Oops.

69 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:51:19pm

re: #66 CuriousLurker

You’re hopeless. //

What a paltry little bauble. *snif*

Just in case anyone needs one.. Always here to help and all…
That stone might be on the market.

///

70 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:52:44pm

mok say rock is shiny. pretty rock.

71 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:54:13pm

re: #69 Political Atheist

Just in case anyone needs one.. Always here to help and all…
That stone might be on the market.

///

Well, it’s certainly a pretty bauble, heh.

72 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:54:59pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

There should be a little string we can find, in order to start searches.

What about the allegations of children being separated from parents? We have a number of eyewitness reports on all manner of malfeasance, why don’t we use them to get warrants?

Also, the thing with the wiretaps is that we did the exact same thing under the Bush Administration.

73 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:58:55pm

re: #72 ProBosniaLiberal

There should be a little string we can find, in order to start searches.

What about the allegations of children being separated from parents? We have a number of eyewitness reports on all manner of malfeasance, why don’t we use them to get warrants?

Also, the thing with the wiretaps is that we did the exact same thing under the Bush Administration.

The difference is that AGs Ashcroft, Gonzalez and Murkasy did not attempt to use evidence from warrantless wiretaps in court. It is legal for the US to spy on foreigners without a warrant, but not to use any evidence gained thereby in court.

And to use inadmissible evidence as a ‘string’ risks having anything gained further up that string deemed inadmissible as well as fruit of the poisonous tree.

74 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 8:59:16pm

Here’s something:

In 2012, Debbie Cook, the former director of the Church’s Flag Land Base in Clearwater, Florida, testified in court that she was imprisoned in the Hole for a seven-week period in 2007.

That is False Imprisonment. Use that as springboard for a warrant, and use that warrant to pull everything back.

75 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:00:14pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

Then we use the case in Post #74 as a springboard for inspections.

76 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:01:39pm

Tonight’s 40k Trivia:

Immaterium

The Immaterium (also referred to as the Empyrean, the Aether, the Sea of Souls, the Realm of Chaos, Warpspace or most commonly, the Warp) is an alternate dimension of purely psychic energy that echoes and underlies the familiar four dimensions of the material universe. It is the source of all psychic powers and known instances of so-called “sorcery” or “magic” as well as the home dimension of the Chaos Gods and their myriad daemonic servants. In fact, the terms “Chaos” and “the Warp” are often used interchangeably by those aware of their existence within the Imperium of Man. Superficially, the Immaterium is Mankind’s solution to the problem of faster-than-light travel, an equivalent to the Star Wars universe’s dimension of hyperspace. This function as a faster-than-light medium for space travel is achieved because the Immaterium is a domain of pure psychic energy, with spacecraft navigating between its currents, as in an ocean. The psychic energy that makes up the Immaterium is believed to be the direct result of the existence of sentience in the universe, in particular the sentient species of the Milky Way Galaxy. Considered to be a dark reflection of the material universe, the Warp is an ocean of chaotic energy, raw emotion given energetic and often physical form. Stirred by emotion and action, the Immaterium is the true Realm of Chaos, home to the Dark Gods who comprise the Ruinous Powers and their legions of daemonic followers. The Immaterium is also rumoured by many cultures, human and xenos alike, to be the final resting place of the spirits of the dead, and therefore can be considered the “Underworld” of the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

77 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:05:27pm

Oops.

H/T AR15

78 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:06:51pm

Ugh. Having a discussion with a Blue Dog Democrat on TPM who is under the delusion that Christie is the Magical Moderate Who Will Save the GOP and Unite Us All™.

Most of you guys don’t live in NJ. Seriously, how does the media portray Christie out there? ‘Cause prior to Sandy, what I’ve seen here and what people from across the country post about him are light years apart.

79 jaunte  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:13:11pm

Black conservatives launch effort to scrap part of Voting Rights Act

Project 21′s argument focuses on the part of the Voting Rights Act called Section 5, which holds that certain areas of the country with a history of racial discrimination when it comes to voting rights need to get federal approval before changing any of their voting procedures.

Hallelujah! Texas doesn’t gerrymander any more!

80 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:17:30pm

re: #78 Mattand

Ugh. Having a discussion with a Blue Dog Democrat on TPM who is under the delusion that Christie is the Magical Moderate Who Will Save the GOP and Unite Us All™.

Most of you guys don’t live in NJ. Seriously, how does the media portray Christie out there? ‘Cause prior to Sandy, what I’ve seen here and what people from across the country post about him are light years apart.

Ask the Blue Dog if this means he’s given up on Romney to be the Magic Moderate.

81 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:18:37pm

Dear internet. Please stop spreading fake images and quotes. Thanks.

Yep. That should do it.

I’m chuckling inside though whenever I think of recent events juxtaposed against “Pallywood.”

82 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:22:55pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

As the Blue Dog if this means he’s given up on Romney to be the Magic Moderate.

Says he voted for Obama twice, but feels he’d vote for Christie over Hillary because Christie is more “genuine.”

Pointing out that Christie supports most current GOP policy and he backed Romney is having no effect.

83 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:23:45pm

re: #82 Mattand

Says he voted for Obama twice, but feels he’d vote for Christie over Hillary because Christie is more “genuine.”

Pointing out that Christie supports most current GOP policy and he backed Romney is having no effect.

Genuine. Translation: “He doesn’t try to hide that he’s an asshole.”

84 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:26:10pm

so

what kind of performance enhancing drug can i take to make my code come out better?

85 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:28:08pm

Charlie Pierce has been commenting on that of late, the media’s drive in the wake of the electoral drubbing the GOP took to find somebody a prominent “moderate” in the party and bet on that horse to bring them back around to “sanity.” The two that they seem of late to be lusting over are Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie, both of whom the press thinks are the winning horses because they’ve “stood up” to the party leadership.

86 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:29:43pm

christie only comes out “moderate” on 1) the magic balance fairy principal of he pisses everybody off equally, and 2) he’s not an utter moron

87 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:30:32pm

re: #84 engineer cat

so

what kind of performance enhancing drug can i take to make my code come out better?

Adderall

88 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:31:21pm

re: #75 ProBosniaLiberal

I should not that the little expose NBC just had hit just about every single major point imaginable, including the infiltration of the US Government in the 1970’s.

89 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:31:50pm

Uh oh…the author of “the page that came back from the dead” seems to think a little Fjordman once in a while is ok:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

90 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:32:35pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Charlie Pierce has been commenting on that of late, the media’s drive in the wake of the electoral drubbing the GOP took to find somebody a prominent “moderate” in the party and bet on that horse to bring them back around to “sanity.” The two that they seem of late to be lusting over are Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie, both of whom the press thinks are the winning horses because they’ve “stood up” to the party leadership.

but from the tea party point of view the problem has been exactly that every nominee since reagan has been a moderate, as a matter of fact getting more “moderate” all the time

hopefully the next official gop nominee will be so “moderate” that the teabaggers will walk right out

91 engineer cat  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:33:32pm

re: #87 Kragar

Adderall

Adderall is a psychostimulant medication that contains amphetamine. It is used for the treatment of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) and narcolepsy

actually i was thinking more like “beer”

92 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:35:32pm

re: #89 bratwurst

Uh oh…the author of “the page that came back from the dead” seems to think a little Fjordman once in a while is ok:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

We all go a little Fjordman once in a while.

/////

93 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:36:14pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

Charlie Pierce has been commenting on that of late, the media’s drive in the wake of the electoral drubbing the GOP took to find somebody a prominent “moderate” in the party and bet on that horse to bring them back around to “sanity.” The two that they seem of late to be lusting over are Bobby Jindal and Chris Christie, both of whom the press thinks are the winning horses because they’ve “stood up” to the party leadership.

Jindal? Jindal?

Creationist shill. No way in hell.

Christie has stones, but he doesn’t have nearly the heft that Howard Taft had.

//

94 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:36:20pm

re: #89 bratwurst

I think I made my point there.

95 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:42:09pm

A progressive of course wouldn’t vote for Christie. Given the choice between him and a Teabagger nut, gubernatorially the logical choice would be him. I think the TGOP is already pissed off at him enough to not see him as a viable candidate in 2016. Given the choice of Christie or Rubio I think the former would be more reasonable. If I was a progressive Republican that is. He is unique. Corzine fucked up big time and turned out to be an extremely flawed governor and questionable businessman. Out of NJ the one to watch is Cory Booker. Next stop for him might be the US Senate or governor.

96 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:42:53pm

re: #82 Mattand

I found the thread you are talking about. I think it’s funny how the guy links to Christie’s global warming comments as some Road to Damascus moment even though he has said there is nothing to really do about it.

New Jersey did end up petitioning the EPA about SO2 emissions coming in from Pennsylvania, which is probably better than most GOP governors.

Sometimes I see Christie as being motivated by a little bit of spite.“You didn’t think I’d do that, did ya?” But thinking he’s a moderate force against union overreach is some kind of willful ignorance.

97 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:50:34pm

re: #94 ProBosniaLiberal

I think I made my point there.

Naturally, all sympathy to you. Time has done little to heal the horror that those of us who were fortunate enough not to have a personal connection felt on that day. I cannot imagine what it was like for you and yours.

However, let’s be clear that not being able to see that respectable journalists and commentators do not allow their names to be associated with the likes of Geert Wilders and Fjordman is a far cry from advocating for Breivik.

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:51:21pm

re: #97 bratwurst

Naturally, all sympathy to you. Time has done little to heal the horror that those of us who were fortunate enough not to have a personal connection felt on that day. I cannot imagine what it was like for you and yours.

However, let’s be clear that not being able to see that respectable journalists and commentators do not allow their names to be associated with the likes of Geert Wilders and Fjordman is a far cry from advocating for Breivik.

Quoted for Truth.

99 austin_blue  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 9:55:47pm

Pumpkin time approaches in Austin. Time to to toddle off to bed. A dram of Old Pulteney 12 is an excellent nightcap.

Good night, dear Lizards. Sweet scaly dreams.

101 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:02:32pm

re: #95 Gus

Something that Democrats forget is that the GOP has 30 Governors. That’s at least that many people that the Republicans can throw in voters’ faces and say, hey, “executive experience”.

Christie would have been in a different position today it hadn’t been for the machinations of the Democratic Senate leader in New Jersey, Steven Sweeney, who IIRC attempted to do an end around on the rest of his caucus by making a deal with Christie on teacher tenure, but ended up weakening his position and getting played by the Governor in the end.

To get an idea how badly Sweeney screwed the Democrats on this one, the VP of the generally liberal Laborers International Union ended up endorsing Christie!

There’s a interesting little item on the bottom of that article. CPAC didn’t invite Christie this year. Hmm.

102 Robert O.  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:06:49pm

re: #59 Stan the Demanded Plan

Exactly. To me, the doping and cheating are the least of the problems. It is the criminal activities, leading a conspiracy, fraud, and destroying reputations and careers, which went far beyond the sins reported for any other riders, that is totally unforgivable.

103 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:07:17pm

re: #100 Kragar

Jon Stewart annihilates GOP hysteria over Obama’s executive orders

“OK, two things. Those measures enjoy, I believe, majority support in the latest polls,” Stewart said. “And two, when tyrants want something done, they generally don’t ask their legislative bodies if that would be OK.”

104 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:10:41pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

“First, they came for the guns, and I said nothing… because they really didn’t.”

105 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:13:30pm

I found something weird out:

During the Syrian Civil War, a weapons cache of 5,000 StG 44s were captured by Syrian rebels in the city of Aleppo. Later, photos surfaced of the rebels using them in combat.

Where the hell were the Syrian’s keeping Grandpa’s Assault Rifles?

106 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:15:51pm

I was one of the first to notice that PBO didn’t sign any EOs.

107 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:17:39pm

re: #105 ProBosniaLiberal

This also shows incompetence of the FSA’s part.

THose guns are collector’s items.

If they could use Turkey as a go between, they could sell on the US market for mind-blowing amounts, enabling them to get a greater number of arms than the 5,000 STG44s.

108 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:18:58pm

This is weird. Or maybe it’s me.

The “Victimology” Subterfuge

Islamists, who have, like many others, found ways of influencing Western democracies, have refined one process in particular, called al Taqiyya [dissimulation], sanctioned to promote Islam to “unbelievers” or “infidels,” if and when considered necessary. The word “Islamophobia,” for instance, has been disguised and misused so frequently that when Westerners merely question Islam, or its role in terrorism, they risk being branded as “Islamophobes” or “racists.” The term “victimology,” in which Islamists perpetually portray Muslims as victims of racism or of “colonialists” or “imperialists,” has also generated impressive results in vanquishing the infidel, and providing Islam an immunity from criticism and satirical depictions. As a result, whenever the subject about Islam is raised, open dialogue, media and public discourse are restricted or shut down out of fear of being branded “Islamophobic” or “racist,” even where no such sentiments may have been present. No other religion even attempts to obtain such blanket immunity.

Continues.

And I’m anti-Islamist rule BTW that at least isn’t part of an existing culture.

109 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:19:39pm

re: #100 Kragar

Jon Stewart annihilates GOP hysteria over Obama’s executive orders

Hitler.

110 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:22:46pm

OK, I am restraining myself from screaming at someone. Well, I’m trying!

111 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:23:15pm

re: #110 Dancing along the light of day

I say something wrong?

112 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:23:41pm

So now we’re having a rational conversation. So, so, in your mind, you believe gun control, is an arms treaty negotiation. With our US military. As the founders intended.

113 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:25:00pm
114 dragonath  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:25:16pm

re: #109 Gus

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

115 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:26:24pm

re: #107 ProBosniaLiberal

This also shows incompetence of the FSA’s part.

THose guns are collector’s items.

If they could use Turkey as a go between, they could sell on the US market for mind-blowing amounts, enabling them to get a greater number of arms than the 5,000 STG44s.

No, they couldn’t. The importation of automatic weapons for civilian use in the US was ended in May of 1986 by the passage of the final version of the Firearms Owner’s Protection ACT (FOPA).

Those guns were sent to Syria by the Soviet Union, which sent Syria a great deal of ex-German weaponry in the 1950’s, up to a least one PzKpfw Mark V Panther and a substantial number of PzKpfw Mark IV tanks.

116 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:27:03pm

MLK was assassinated with a rifle. Please don’t bring up gun rights within the context of Martin Luther King, Jr. It’s offensive.

117 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:31:40pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Well, there goes on thought on help the Syrian Rebels.

Mali at this point is much, much simpler than Syria. Apparently, even Garands and Mosin-Nagants have shown up in the fighting. Syria is quickly becoming Somalia of the Levant.

118 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:32:15pm

re: #111 ProBosniaLiberal

Giggles, not yet!

119 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:32:19pm

re: #116 Gus

MLK was assassinated with a rifle. Please don’t bring up gun rights within the context of Martin Luther King, Jr. It’s offensive.

Offensive is what they do best.

120 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:37:45pm

re: #117 ProBosniaLiberal

Well, there goes on thought on help the Syrian Rebels.

Mali at this point is much, much simpler than Syria. Apparently, even Garands and Mosin-Nagants have shown up in the fighting. Syria is quickly becoming Somalia of the Levant.

The biggest ‘old guns’ battle was Fallujah in Iraq. Many of the Sunni insurgents were using guns looted from the national military museum. United States Marines recoverd an M1919, multiple MG-42s and Bren Guns and a number of Garands. Interestingly, a number of Iranian made MP5 submachineguns and G3 rifles were also encountered. The MP5s were actually used by US Marines for close quarters battle, with a resulting rise in 9mm ammo consumption originally attributed to Marines having to make high use of their M9 pistols.

121 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:40:38pm

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

The Syrian Civil War is turning into an era-inclusive free-for-all.

122 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:41:57pm

This is LGF. We’re different here.

123 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:44:14pm

re: #122 Gus

Speak for yourself, asshole!
///
Can I add more sarc tags?

124 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:44:18pm

I’m still open to interacting with conservatives. OK, not too many.

125 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:46:21pm

re: #95 Gus

A progressive of course wouldn’t vote for Christie. Given the choice between him and a Teabagger nut, gubernatorially the logical choice would be him. I think the TGOP is already pissed off at him enough to not see him as a viable candidate in 2016. Given the choice of Christie or Rubio I think the former would be more reasonable. If I was a progressive Republican that is. He is unique. Corzine fucked up big time and turned out to be an extremely flawed governor and questionable businessman. Out of NJ the one to watch is Cory Booker. Next stop for him might be the US Senate or governor.

Definitely Senate. I think Booker is going for Lautenberg’s seat. Given Christie’s good work on Sandy, going up against him will be a suicide run. Not sure what Lautenberg’s plans are, but the guy is closing in on Strom Thurmond territory, age wise.

126 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:48:37pm

Goodnight, all.

127 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:49:45pm

re: #125 Mattand

Definitely Senate. I think Booker is going for Lautenberg’s seat. Given Christie’s good work on Sandy, going up against him will be a suicide run. Not sure what Lautenberg’s plans are, but the guy is closing in on Strom Thurmond territory, age wise.

I’m so old I even wrote a few letters to Lautenberg on a typewriter.

128 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:52:21pm
Centurion Air Cargo
More: McDonnell Douglas MD-11(F)
N984AR / 984

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50, 40, 30, 20. 10. Retard.

129 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 10:54:22pm

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130 bratwurst  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:01:33pm

re: #127 Gus

I’m so old I even wrote a few letters to Lautenberg on a typewriter.

Did it look like this?

Image: RoyalO-Sstd.jpg

I should talk…I got through college without touching a computer ONCE.

131 Gus  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:06:22pm

re: #130 bratwurst

Did it look like this?

Image: RoyalO-Sstd.jpg

I should talk…I got through college without touching a computer ONCE.

Nah. A couple of decades later. Like a Smith Carona first. Dictionary and thesaurus at hand. I also worked with my hands before I touched a computer.

132 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:16:06pm

re: #108 Gus

This is weird. Or maybe it’s me.

The “Victimology” Subterfuge

Weird is not the word for that. Disgusting comes closer.

133 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:17:26pm

re: #130 bratwurst

Did it look like this?

Image: RoyalO-Sstd.jpg

I should talk…I got through college without touching a computer ONCE.

I had a friend in college who wrote his poetry on one just like that.

134 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:31:14pm

re: #127 Gus

I’m so old I even wrote a few letters to Lautenberg on a typewriter.

LOL, I learned to type on a typewriter. One of the few things I learned in high school that I’ll still use to this day. Made the transition to digital a lot easier.

135 subterraneanhomesickalien  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:32:27pm

OT.

Just got off of work a couple of hours ago and I’m here in my recliner after my nightly run listening to mp3 uploads on Youtube.

I’ve been listening to the Red Hot Chlii Peppers for the last hour, and I can’t help but be amazed that Soul to Squeeze was left off of Blood Sugar Sex Magik. That album was already a masterpiece without it, and this would have been the third or fourth best song on the album if they would have included it!!!

Rick Rubin isn’t the genius I thought he was I guess.

136 Mattand  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:33:47pm

re: #130 bratwurst

Did it look like this?

Image: RoyalO-Sstd.jpg

I should talk…I got through college without touching a computer ONCE.

I graduated art school in ‘88. Missed our school’s first set of Macs by six months.

Started learning the computer in earnest in ‘93. I look back now on the sea change in how graphics are created, and it still blows my mind.

137 Kragar  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:39:32pm

re: #135 Kdizzle

OT.

Just got off of work a couple of hours ago and I’m here in my recliner after my nightly run listening to mp3 uploads on Youtube.

I’ve been listening to the Red Hot Chlii Peppers for the last hour, and I can’t help but be amazed that Soul to Squeeze was left off of Blood Sugar Sex Magik. That album was already a masterpiece without it, and this would have been the third or fourth best song on the album if they would have included it!!!

Rick Rubin isn’t the genius I thought he was I guess.

RHCP is one of those bands that I just can’t get into. I really don’t understand their popularity.

Of course I say the same thing about U2, Coldplay and Radiohead.

138 subterraneanhomesickalien  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:46:39pm

re: #137 Kragar

I can agree with you on Coldplay and U2, but Radiohead is and has been fucking great ever since they abandoned that grunge facsimile crap they were doing in the early 90’s.

You really can’t name many other bands that had a run of albums like they did (The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A) that were just brilliant. OF course the Beatles did, so did Led Zep, so did The Who.

As for the Chili Peppers, it depends on what album you are listening to. Its seems like they release a great album at either the beginning or ending of the decade. Experiment with that sound with depreciating results, and then release something great and new at the end or beginning of the next decade.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 17, 2013 11:50:30pm

re: #96 dragonath

.

Sometimes I see Christie as being motivated by a little bit of spite.“You didn’t think I’d do that, did ya?” But thinking he’s a moderate force against union overreach is some kind of willful ignorance.

Christie is one of those vestigal reminders that there was once a GOP that sane people could vote for.

I probably would never vote for him, but I admire him for standing up to the party ideologues on issues like Islamophobia, guns and global warming.

140 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:33:45am

re: #108 Gus

This is weird. Or maybe it’s me.

The “Victimology” Subterfuge

And I’m anti-Islamist rule BTW that at least isn’t part of an existing culture.

It stems from an incorrect understanding of what al-Taqqiya actually is. It’s predominantly a Shi’a phenomenon (understandably, as Shi’as were frequently persecuted by Sunni rulers). In Sunni Islam, there’s really no such thing from a doctrinal point of view, though it has happened infrequently. A lot of folks who make the “taqqiya” claim are frankly rehashing an anti-Semitic canard that claims “It’s ok for Jews to lie to the goyim because it’s allowed in the Talmud; therefore, all Jews are liars.”

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…] A good explanation of it there.

It’s BS, quite honestly.

141 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:38:25am

If someone wants to argue against Islam on based on a thorough study of the Koran and its history, I am prepared to listen.

If somebody wants to run down Muslims and Islam based on some stuff they read on an Internet site, then they can continue to run down Islam on their Internet site to fellow bigots, I pay no attention.

142 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:44:09am

re: #141 Sol Berdinowitz

If someone wants to argue against Islam on based on a thorough study of the Koran and its history, I am prepared to listen.

If somebody wants to run down Muslims and Islam based on some stuff they read on an Internet site, then they can continue to run down Islam on their Internet site to fellow bigots, I pay no attention.

I got into it with a fellow whose research consisted of Pammy’s Atlas Shrugs website.

*headdesk*

143 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:45:15am

re: #138 Kdizzle

You really can’t name many other bands that had a run of albums like they did (The Bends, OK Computer, Kid A) that were just brilliant. OF course the Beatles did, so did Led Zep, so did The Who.

And Iron Maiden

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144 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:47:07am

re: #143 Kragar

And Iron Maiden

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I’d like to know why the members of Iron Maiden haven’t been knighted yet. Seriously, they’re big promoters of British culture worldwide.

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:59:52am

re: #138 Kdizzle

As for the Chili Peppers, it depends on what album you are listening too. Its seems like they release a great album at either the beginning or ending of the decade. Experiment with that sound with depreciating results, and then release something great at the end or beginning of the next decade.

I am an incredibly disloyal fan: I don’t care how much I like a band’s previous work, if they turn out something I don’t like, I ignore it.

146 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:01:11am

OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!

Freepers are getting an early start on their daily rage. The cause is a recently published West Point research paper that highlights the danger of far right terrorism.
West Point center cites dangers of ‘far right’ in U.S. (West Point infiltrated by far left)

A West Point think tank has issued a paper warning America about “far right” groups such as the “anti-federalist” movement, which supports “civil activism, individual freedoms and self-government.”

The report issued this week by the Combating Terrorism Center at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, N.Y., is titled “Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right.”

The center — part of the institution where men and women are molded into Army officers — posted the report Tuesday. It lumps limited government activists with three movements it identifies as “a racist/white supremacy movement, an anti-federalist movement and a fundamentalist movement.”

The West Point center typically focuses reports on al Qaeda and other Islamic extremists attempting to gain power in Asia, the Middle East and Africa through violence.

But its latest study turns inward and paints a broad brush of people it considers “far right.”

For many years now, these self-same “conservatives” have vilified President Obama, and President Bush before him, for allegedly ignoring terrorist threats in the name of “political correctness.” Now, of course, they want the Army planners to do the same when it is their political ox being gored.

Freepers are blissfully unaware of the irony, but the very first comment would seem to help make the paper’s case:

My God. How is this tolerated. Our Nation is becoming completely inverted. How are the communists able to infiltrate their propaganda into every major institution in our entire Nation? This is surreal. If the communists can get this kind of madness accepted to be taught to upcoming officers by the Nations number one military institute, they must be giggling hystericaly.

And this gem, which may or may not survive scrutiny from the mods:

The author is yet another left-wing Jew. Same sort of mindset that is at the forefront of the gun control hysteria in the nation just now.

147 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:15:36am

re: #146 Shiplord Kirel

This is what I expect to see more of: the right threatening or provoking violence, and when the authorities move in to crack down on it, the RWNJs will hold it up as proof that the government is out to get us.

Inasmuch as there is no reasoning with these people, we will have to get used to a lot more of these scenarios in the future.

148 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:45:26am

re: #147 Sol Berdinowitz

I remember this going on under Clinton, but during that time these whackos were outside the mainstream. Now some of them hold elected office.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:55:57am

re: #148 Obdicut

I remember this going on under Clinton, but during that time these whackos were outside the mainstream. Now some of them hold elected office.

9/11 truthers were seen by most people as nut jobs, but the Newton Truthers have the tacit support of the party and of a major lobbying and advocacy group.

150 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:06:48am

HOLY FUCKING CRAP

151 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:10:53am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

That’s the WND Farah, right?

152 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:11:15am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

He’s gonna rally the commandos of the 82nd Chairborne Division?

153 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:16:30am

re: #151 wheat-dogghazi

That’s the WND Farah, right?

The very same.

154 Kronocide  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:18:22am

No different than al Quaeda.

155 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:19:29am

Now this was pretty smart…while it lasted.

[Link: www.npr.org…]

As Emil Protalinski writes at The Next Web, the company’s security measures included a coded fob which, the investigating team learned, a code developer had shipped to Shenyang, China, so that a company there could perform his assigned work.

And it turns out that the job done in China was above par — the employee’s “code was clean, well written, and submitted in a timely fashion. Quarter after quarter, his performance review noted him as the best developer in the building,” according to the Verizon Security Blog.

Mornin’ everyone…

156 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:20:34am

re: #143 Kragar

And Iron Maiden

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Well played! My first concert was Twisted Sister opening for Maiden……a looooong time ago.

157 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:27:23am
158 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:38:09am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

Well played! My first concert was Twisted Sister opening for Maiden……a looooong time ago.

Meh…I saw the Bay City Rollers. S A T U R D A Y Hey!

159 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:43:46am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FUCKING CRAP

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His readers are a small minority, but if you mapped them there would be a lot of red dots around here. That’s why I’m of two minds about semi-auto weapons.

160 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:48:10am

re: #150 Vicious Babushka

HOLY FUCKING CRAP

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And even though he’s talking treason, he’s a coward, so he’s putting it in the subjunctive and hiding. He’s trying to incite others, he doesn’t even have the moral bravery to make a stand on his own.

161 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:53:40am

re: #150 Alouette

HOLY FUCKING CRAP

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Write back and say, “Lead the charge, asshole…we’ll watch.”

162 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:55:46am

Fewer Godwins this morning—but still out there, among the usual flood of deranged shit. The prize turds have been selected for your delectation.

163 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:07:25am

Nice op-ed by a gun owner in CS Monitor about high capacity magazines…

[Link: www.csmonitor.com…]

164 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:10:54am

re: #154 Kronocide

No different than al Quaeda.

I think it was Chris Rock who said
“I ain’t afraid of Al Qaeda. I’m afraid of Al Cracka!”

165 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:17:44am

OT: Regarding my question yesterday about explaining MLK to my 4yo.

On the ride home last night I asked her what she learned at school today. She thought for a while and said “We learned about Mr. King”. I asked her what she knew about “Mr. King” and she said: “That he had a dream. And that he wanted black and brown boys and girls to be allowed to play in the sand with white boys and girls.” So I asked her if his dream came true and she said: “Yep I can play with anyone I want, no matter what color they are.”

We talked for a bit more about it but I was proud pappa.

This morning she sat down and watched the whole speech on Youtube.

166 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:27:47am

re: #155 darthstar

Which raises the question: If Verizon liked the work so much, and it can be had for only a fifth the cost as they pay their American workers, why don’t they just offshore their s/w development to Shenyang?

167 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:31:05am

re: #166 freetoken

Which raises the question: If Verizon liked the work so much, and it can be had for only a fifth the cost as they pay their American workers, why don’t they just offshore their s/w development to Shenyang?

I can’t speak for their dev department, but my late FIL was an engineer for Verizon and I know a cell system tech, and they both belong to pretty strong unions.

But I’m in the librul free zone known as New York, so it may not be the same everywhere, or even for different divisions of the company.

168 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:40:54am

re: #165 Geoff with a G

Glad to hear that. Sometimes a child’s simple understanding of an issue is actually the most intelligent; kids of different colors playing together in the sandbox.

169 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:43:41am

Whoopsie!

Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement

A troubling oversight has been found within New York State’s sweeping new gun laws.

The ban on having high-capacity magazines, as it’s written, would also include law enforcement officers.

Magazines with more than seven rounds will be illegal under the new law when that part takes effect in March.

As the statute is currently written, it does not exempt law enforcement officers.

Nearly every law enforcement agency in the state carries hand guns that have a 15 round capacity.

170 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:44:33am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

I like it, a level playing field for all, as long as the criminals don’t cheat.
//

171 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:47:04am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

Whoopsie!

Additions to be made to gun laws for law enforcement

Fast law is poor law.

Related…
New CenturyLink gun policy riles law enforcement

If I have time on break, gonna write up a Page on this.

172 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:48:21am

re: #171 Political Atheist

Fast law is poor law.

Related…
New CenturyLink gun policy riles law enforcement

If I have time on break, gonna write up a Page on this.

In the military we have a saying, “If you want it bad, you’ll get it bad”.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:48:54am

Good morning lizards!

The 4-7 inches of snow we were told was coming became 4-7 snowflakes. My kids were disappointed this morning.

174 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:50:09am

re: #84 engineer cat

so

what kind of performance enhancing drug can i take to make my code come out better?

Don’t try using drugs. Just outsource you job.

Security audit finds dev OUTSOURCED his JOB to China to goof off at work

175 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:57:43am

Fox’s Liz Cheney: I Want A President “As Dedicated To Disarming Al Qaeda As Pres. Obama Seems To Be To Disarming” Americans

Guess all those drone strikes and a bullet to Osama’s head don’t count.

176 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:59:04am

And the gun lobby wonders why Americans think they are nuts.

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:59:18am

re: #171 Political Atheist

Fast law is poor law.

They still have a problem with tube magazines. The only exception is for .22 so a currently made .30-30 would be illegal (my Winchester holds 8). I’m still not sure how going from 10 round to 7 makes anyone safer anyway…

Related…
New CenturyLink gun policy riles law enforcement

If I have time on break, gonna write up a Page on this.

I’ll wait to comment then.

178 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:05:21am

Let’s stop enforcing drug laws.
Criminals will still get drugs.
Hell, why bother with any laws at all? Criminals will break them!
/NRA gun law logic applied to other laws.

179 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:08:33am

I see EI got himself banned.
Shocked!

180 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:09:53am

re: #165 Geoff with a G

OT: Regarding my question yesterday about explaining MLK to my 4yo.

On the ride home last night I asked her what she learned at school today. She thought for a while and said “We learned about Mr. King”. I asked her what she knew about “Mr. King” and she said: “That he had a dream. And that he wanted black and brown boys and girls to be allowed to play in the sand with white boys and girls.” So I asked her if his dream came true and she said: “Yep I can play with anyone I want, no matter what color they are.”

We talked for a bit more about it but I was proud pappa.

This morning she sat down and watched the whole speech on Youtube.

That’s a really cool story, and one with which I suspect many parents will relate. I have certainly had similar conversations with my kids (the same-sex marriage ones are the most fun!).

It also puts into perspective the whole “indoctrination” thing that people get so worked up about. Kids get indoctrinated all the time - you can’t really stop that. The key question is what the indoctrination is about: is it “the world outside is scary and we need to kill all our enemies” or “actually everyone is potentially a good friend, even if they look a bit different to you”?

181 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:10:35am

Lol, he’s ranting away on his blog.

I repeat: The fact that Fjordman wrote articles for the very same site that Toameh did is enough to dismiss the content without question.

Why, yes, yes it is!

182 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:11:28am

re: #179 Varek Raith

I see EI got himself banned.
Shocked!

It’s so ridiculous that he made it come to that. He was a perfectly sane and reasonable commenter in every other respect, so why the willful blindness bordering on malicious passive-aggressiveness there? It’s self-defeating, utterly irrational, and makes no sense at any level.

183 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:12:31am

re: #179 Varek Raith

I see EI got himself banned.
Shocked!

He went off the deep end. I remember when he was sane. I guess.

184 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:13:46am

re: #182 Interesting Times

It’s so ridiculous that he made it come to that. He was a perfectly sane and reasonable commenter in every other respect, so why the willful blindness bordering on malicious passive-aggressiveness there? It’s self-defeating, utterly irrational, and makes no sense at any level.

I have no idea.
All he was asked to do was find credible sources and stop linking to those type of groups..
Then there was this;
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

185 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:14:36am

re: #184 Varek Raith

I have no idea.
All he was asked to do was find credible sources and stop linking to those type of groups..
Then there was this;
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Am I a “Traitor to Free Speech”?

I’ve always wanted to be one.

186 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:16:20am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

The 4-7 inches of snow we were told was coming became 4-7 snowflakes. My kids were disappointed this morning.

Don’t bitch at us, take it up with Obama…he controls the weather.
//

187 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:18:03am

re: #169 rwdflynavy

That change will clarify things, but the NYS Penal Code also has rules of construction that would have carved out a law enforcement exemption by application:

S 5.00 Penal law not strictly construed.
The general rule that a penal statute is to be strictly construed does
not apply to this chapter, but the provisions herein must be construed
according to the fair import of their terms to promote justice and
effect the objects of the law.

In other words, a court could have construed the application of the limitations as not applying to law enforcement but only to criminals.

Then, there’s specific exemptions:

S 265.20 Exemptions.
a. Sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05, 265.10, 265.11,
265.12, 265.13, 265.15 and 270.05 shall not apply to:
1. Possession of any of the weapons, instruments, appliances or
substances specified in sections 265.01, 265.02, 265.03, 265.04, 265.05
and 270.05 by the following:
(a) Persons in the military service of the state of New York when duly
authorized by regulations issued by the adjutant general to possess the
same.
(b) Police officers as defined in subdivision thirty-four of section
1.20 of the criminal procedure law.
(c) Peace officers as defined by section 2.10 of the criminal
procedure law.
(d) Persons in the military or other service of the United States, in
pursuit of official duty or when duly authorized by federal law,
regulation or order to possess the same.

Seeing that 265.01 is the base charge (misdemeanor) and exemption applies to law enforcement, one could extrapolate that it too applies to the other more serious charges - since the penal code isn’t to be strictly construed.

The correct thing would have been to specifically amend NYS Penal &sect265.20 to include the references to the ammo amendments and other newly created felony counts. That’s probably what the amendments will offer up.

188 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:18:45am

re: #180 iossarian

She has two friends (brother and sister) that live across the street from us with two dads (in South Boston, the horror!). She asked why they have two dads and we didn’t have a good answer, just that some people have two dads or two moms, or just one parent. She accepted it (thankfully since I was stumped for a better answer).

189 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:18:51am

re: #179 Varek Raith

I see EI got himself banned.
Shocked!

Finally? Was it that page Charles warned him about?

190 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:23:26am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Fox’s Liz Cheney: I Want A President “As Dedicated To Disarming Al Qaeda As Pres. Obama Seems To Be To Disarming” Americans

Guess all those drone strikes and a bullet to Osama’s head don’t count.

Of course not. Black POTUS, remember?

191 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:23:34am

re: #188 Geoff with a G

She has two friends (brother and sister) that live across the street from us with two dads (in South Boston, the horror!). She asked why they have two dads and we didn’t have a good answer, just that some people have two dads or two moms, or just one parent. She accepted it (thankfully since I was stumped for a better answer).

We started with that (“some people just have two dads, like your friend Emma”). Then at about age 6 we got on to “in some places, people don’t let that happen, but fortunately we live in a place where it’s OK”. Now (age 9) we’re roughly at “some men fall in love with other men”.

Indoctrination is my middle name! I should seriously become a UNION TEACHER.

192 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:23:46am

Guns occupy a special place, because True Conservatives see unrestricted access to firearms as a Divine Right, granted by God and only guaranteed by the Constitution.

That is why they will tolerate no restriction on their God-given right to keep and bear all the firepower they can afford.

When it comes to a perceived choice between God and Guns on one hand and Constitution and gun control on the other, you know how therse people are gonna break.

193 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:24:31am

Herp! Derp! Eleventy!

Image: 406083_461715680542900_1373312053_n.jpg

194 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:24:42am

re: #188 Geoff with a G

She has two friends (brother and sister) that live across the street from us with two dads (in South Boston, the horror!). She asked why they have two dads and we didn’t have a good answer, just that some people have two dads or two moms, or just one parent. She accepted it (thankfully since I was stumped for a better answer).

It wasn’t many years ago you could have just said, “They’re evil, sinful people and they’re going to hell.” My nieces and nephews, even in the fucked up conservative family I have, understand gay marriage more than their parents do. Yet another reason why the GOP needs to keep being itself for another four to eight years…the next generation will vote them into irrelevance.

195 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:26:00am

re: #193 Lidane

Geez. The second amendment doesn’t apply to nuclear bombs. Get over it people.

196 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:29:38am
197 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:35:42am
198 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:37:03am

re: #197 Lidane

It’s Bizarro Day every day in wingnut land!

199 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:38:39am

Makes me glad I went and got the flu shot yesterday:

200 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:39:16am

re: #198 iossarian

It’s Bizarro Day every day in wingnut land!

Seriously. I cannot understand the reality these people live in at all.

201 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:43:38am

*sigh*

Supremacy clauses, how the fuck do they work?

202 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:44:50am
203 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:46:30am

re: #201 Lidane

*sigh*

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Supremacy clauses, how the fuck do they work?

I’d love it, if in their haste to get all their wingnuts meaningless exemptions, South Carolina passed a law that got them to register as militia members.

204 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:47:44am

re: #203 darthstar

I’d love it, if in their haste to get all their wingnuts meaningless exemptions, South Carolina passed a law that got them to register as militia members.

We could get the whole state declared a terrorist organization…take that, Tarheels!

205 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:48:43am

re: #204 darthstar

We could get the whole state declared a terrorist organization…take that, Tarheels!

That’s North Carolina*.

* Unless it applies to both in a pre-college sports kind of way, but I don’t think so.

206 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:49:48am

re: #194 darthstar

Very true.

207 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:53:41am

I just saw this for the first time when @ebertchicago tweeted it (it’s from 1998).

THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT

But I haven’t seen anyone bring it up much during these last few days/weeks in regards to the second amendment “battle”.

EDIT: If it’s been posted here already I apologize, I didn’t see it :)

208 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:55:08am

re: #205 iossarian

That’s North Carolina*.

* Unless it applies to both in a pre-college sports kind of way, but I don’t think so.

There are so many teams I can’t keep them straight…but I gave it a good ole college try.

209 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:58:14am

“Look at that smug tyrant! He’s gloating!”

“He’s smiling because he knows he’s destroying our liberty!”

“Why are we wasting taxpayer dollars on taking that evil man’s photo?!”

210 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 7:58:20am

re: #208 darthstar

There are so many teams I can’t keep them straight…but I gave it a good ole college try.

South Carolina are the Cocks*.

* Actually Gamecocks but Cocks is funnier**.

** I am an adult male. Sue me.

211 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:00:29am

re: #210 iossarian

South Carolina are the Cocks*.

* Actually Gamecocks but Cocks is funnier**.

** I am an adult male. Sue me.

Do they realize what happens to 99.99% of cocks hatched at a chicken farm?

212 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:00:55am
213 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:05:27am

Damn…no more reason to work up a nice erection at airport security. The naked picture scanner company lost their contract.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

Here’s the latest in the long, strange, often frustrating saga of airport security scanners: The Transportation Security Administration has ended a contract with Rapiscan, the manufacturer of the controversial backscatter screener.

The reason, per the TSA? It wasn’t that the machines subjected consumers to objectionably high levels of radiation — a matter that will soon be the subject of a National Academy of Sciences investigation. It was instead that Rapiscan Systems failed to deliver software to protect the privacy of passengers — specifically, to create a system that would avoid creating nude, if cartoonish, images of passengers.

214 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:06:10am

re: #207 Geoff with a G

I just saw this for the first time when @ebertchicago tweeted it (it’s from 1998).

THE HIDDEN HISTORY OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT

But I haven’t seen anyone bring it up much during these last few days/weeks in regards to the second amendment “battle”.

EDIT: If it’s been posted here already I apologize, I didn’t see it :)

It’s an interesting paper but, as the author points out, if the thesis is correct, why isn’t there any direct evidence? The author then argues his circumstantial evidence is sufficent. Personally, after reading it, I’d have to say that instead it’s because the thesis itself is wrong. At least it’s better presented than a similar argument I read the other day.

215 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:06:37am

re: #213 darthstar

Well, there’s always the screening pat-downs…. /

216 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:06:56am

re: #212 Lidane

217 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:08:32am

re: #215 lawhawk

Well, there’s always the screening pat-downs…. /

That would be inappropriate.

218 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:11:56am

re: #166 freetoken

Which raises the question: If Verizon liked the work so much, and it can be had for only a fifth the cost as they pay their American workers, why don’t they just offshore their s/w development to Shenyang?

Article was about a developer at an unnamed company. Verizon web security was brought in to analyze the situation and is the source of the information in the article - they were not the company that had the developer.

219 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:12:05am

Nobody could have predicted…

220 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:17:55am

re: #219 darthstar

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Nobody could have predicted…

Ah, yes….the American Third Position Party.

People like that make me wish I were President, so I could go on national TV and announce a new Executive Order mandating interracial marriages. Just to hear these bastards shriek.

Yeah, I know….ultimate trolling.

221 Dr. Matt  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:18:23am

re: #219 darthstar

So one of the (many) sponsors of Gun Appreciation Day is a white nationalist group, already removed. via @ehananoki bit.ly/UVnodi
— Alex Seitz-Wald (@aseitzwald) January 18, 2013

Nobody could have predicted…

Color me shocked

222 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:20:06am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes….the American Third Position Party.

People like that make me wish I were President, so I could go on national TV and announce a new Executive Order mandating interracial SAME SEX marriages. Just to hear these bastards shriek.

Yeah, I know….ultimate trolling.

223 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:20:14am
224 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:20:34am

re: #220 Dr Lizardo

Ah, yes….the American Third Position Party.

People like that make me wish I were President, so I could go on national TV and announce a new Executive Order mandating interracial marriages. Just to hear these bastards shriek.

Yeah, I know….ultimate trolling.

I’ve often thought the ultimate trolling of the loony right in this country would be to get “666” tattooed on your forearm as President, and then let it “accidentally” appear during the State of the Union address.

225 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:21:27am

re: #224 Ian G.

I’ve often thought the ultimate trolling of the loony right in this country would be to get “666” tattooed on your forearm as President, and then let it “accidentally” appear during the State of the Union address.

That and a set of contacts that made your eyes reflect red in the TV lights.

226 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:22:13am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

Even better.

227 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:22:26am

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

They still have a problem with tube magazines. The only exception is for .22 so a currently made .30-30 would be illegal (my Winchester holds 8). I’m still not sure how going from 10 round to 7 makes anyone safer anyway…

I’ll wait to comment then.

Illegal to buy another right? What you have already is legal?!?

Here is where details in the language are everything for us folks that will comply. Removable magazine” or “magazine”? “Seven round limit to clip or magazine” is likely silent on your tube. “Seven round capacity limit to rifle and shotgun” is another deal. Your tube is not removable other than in a tool use teardown, right? There will have to clarification letters from AG’s.

228 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:23:13am
229 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:23:41am

re: #225 Feline Fearless Leader

That and a set of contacts that made your eyes reflect red in the TV lights.

The contacts alone would set heads to the ‘splodey setting. And their shrieks of rage would make dogs howl.

I’d love to see Obama do something like that on his last day in office, just to fuck with his critics.

230 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:23:46am

re: #224 Ian G.

I’ve often thought the ultimate trolling of the loony right in this country would be to get “666” tattooed on your forearm as President, and then let it “accidentally” appear during the State of the Union address.

Now that would be awesome.

If it were me, seeing as how I have an appreciation of the theatrical, as POTUS I’d walk in to “Hail to the Chief”, but when the State of the Union was over, I’d walk out to “Ave Satani”.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

231 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:24:28am

Algeria BP Siege: Freed British Hostage ‘Enjoyed’ Terrorist Attack on In Amenas

A British man who was freed after he was held hostage in the In Amenas gas complex by Islamist militant terrorists has appeared on Algerian TV seemingly unperturbed by his ordeal and claiming that he “enjoyed” the episode.

The unnamed man, who is in his 50s, was one of a reported 100 hostages who have been released out of a total of 132 captives, according to Algeria’s state news service APS.

In the broadcast, he thanked the Algerian army for the rescue mission. “They did a fantastic job. I was very impressed with the Algerian army,” he said.

“It was a very exciting episode. I feel sorry for anybody who has been hurt but, other than that, I enjoyed it.”

Another man, who had an accent from the Northeast of England, said that the troops “did a fantastic job”.

“They kept us all nice and safe and fought off the bad guys,” he said. “I never felt in any danger, to be honest.”

232 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:25:54am

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

The thinking is that by reducing the ammo holder size (whether clip or magazine), you force more reloads, so that the shooter could be overcome by LEOs or others who have chance to intervene.

233 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:26:18am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Algeria BP Siege: Freed British Hostage ‘Enjoyed’ Terrorist Attack on In Amenas

I think he was talking about the rescue, not the being taken hostage part.

234 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:27:10am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Algeria BP Siege: Freed British Hostage ‘Enjoyed’ Terrorist Attack on In Amenas

(In my best upper-class British accent)

Yes, it was all terribly enjoyable. A jolly smashing time was had by myself and others, and a right good show by our brave boys. Pip pip! Cheerio!

235 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:28:06am

Ooh…speaking of bigoted assholes, CNN’s Erickson is also a sponsor.

236 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:29:26am

re: #235 darthstar

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Ooh…speaking of bigoted assholes, CNN’s Erickson is also a sponsor.

Never really liked that fucker.

237 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:29:44am

re: #235 darthstar

Ooh…speaking of bigoted assholes, CNN’s Erickson is also a sponsor.

Shooting hoods for shooters, or shooting hoodies for shootees?
//

238 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:31:32am

Quick drive by kiddies

Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance here

Didn’t tell anyone (other than closest family/ friends) but I was being tested for prostate cancer
Results came back
ZERO
NADA
NEGATORY


Guys. Get your PSA tested YEARLY!!

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:32:01am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

It seems they are still holding some hostages.

Reuters and AFP cited local sources saying that 60 foreign hostages were still unaccounted for. The Masked Brigade said that they would trade American hostages for two jihadi fighters jailed in the US - Aafia Siddiqui, of Pakistan, and 1993 World Trade Centre bomber Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian also known as the “blind sheikh”.

There’s also this: Algeria attack may have link to Libya camps

The region is a mess and needs clean up urgently.

240 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:32:07am

re: #233 darthstar

I think he was talking about the rescue, not the being taken hostage part.

I think he was too but ‘enjoyable’? That not the word I would have used having an experience like that. I wont question him since he was there but I do find it odd.

241 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:32:39am

re: #238 sattv4u2

Quick drive by kiddies

Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance here

Didn’t tell anyone (other than closest family/ friends) but I was being tested for prostate cancer
Results came back
ZERO
NADA
NEGATORY

Guys. Get your PSA tested YEARLY!!

Hooray!

242 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:33:21am

Gotta love that rational, reasonable dialogue from the right:

243 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:33:35am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Hooray!

Yeah. Post kidney stone surgery the docs were like “oh,, by the way,,, we found,,,,,”

244 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:33:40am

re: #232 lawhawk

The thinking is that by reducing the ammo holder size (whether clip or magazine), you force more reloads, so that the shooter could be overcome by LEOs or others who have chance to intervene.

Yep. Another factor that applies is the additional carry requirement (multiple magazines in pockets or cases). Rephrasing the more reloads, there are fewer shots between reloads. And despite the experienced gun folk showing how fast you can switch magazines, it’s both still a delay and not that fast for inexperienced users. (Oh, and the next time a pro shows you how fast he can reload, make him put the second magazine in an ammo pouch or other carry location. In other words, show what it’s like for a walking shooter instead of an advocate setting up a demo.)

245 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:34:38am

re: #232 lawhawk

The thinking is that by reducing the ammo holder size (whether clip or magazine), you force more reloads, so that the shooter could be overcome by LEOs or others who have chance to intervene.

Which sort of addresses the miniscule percentage of shootings in which a magazine or revolver is actually emptied and LE is on the scene.

246 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:34:48am

re: #230 Dr Lizardo

Now that would be awesome.

If it were me, seeing as how I have an appreciation of the theatrical, as POTUS I’d walk in to “Hail to the Chief”, but when the State of the Union was over, I’d walk out to “Ave Satani”.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Obama should ask them to rename the song “Sig Heil to the Chief” just to fuck with everybody.

247 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:37:14am

re: #238 sattv4u2

Quick drive by kiddies

Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance here

Didn’t tell anyone (other than closest family/ friends) but I was being tested for prostate cancer
Results came back
ZERO
NADA
NEGATORY

Guys. Get your PSA tested YEARLY!!

Good news!

248 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:37:17am

re: #213 darthstar

Rapiscan….first thing I thought of considering what those machines did…was Rape-iscan. The jokes write themselves lately. All we need is a good delivery.

249 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:38:16am
250 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:38:19am

re: #238 sattv4u2

Quick drive by kiddies

Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance here

Didn’t tell anyone (other than closest family/ friends) but I was being tested for prostate cancer
Results came back
ZERO
NADA
NEGATORY

Guys. Get your PSA tested YEARLY!!

Good for you. Now stop going back for a retest every day…you’ll weird out your doctor.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:39:11am

re: #246 Ghost of Tom Joad

Obama should ask them to rename the song “Sig Heil to the Chief” just to fuck with everybody.

I’m sure someone has already photoshopped Obama into the Nuremberg rallies.
//

252 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:39:39am

re: #250 darthstar

Good for you. Now stop going back for a retest every day…you’ll weird out your doctor.

Hey. I bring flowers and candy!!

253 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:40:32am

re: #249 Lidane

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RINO surrender monkey !!.!!

254 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:40:34am

re: #250 darthstar

Good for you. Now stop going back for a retest every day…you’ll weird out your doctor.

Youtube Video
255 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:43:34am

re: #239 Killgore Trout

It seems they are still holding some hostages.

There’s also this: Algeria attack may have link to Libya camps

The region is a mess and needs clean up urgently.

No doubt but which countries will be willing to do it?

Meanwhile the terrorists want a trade:

The Masked Brigade said that they would trade American hostages for two jihadi fighters jailed in the US - Aafia Siddiqui, of Pakistan, and 1993 World Trade Centre bomber Omar Abdel-Rahman, an Egyptian also known as the “blind sheikh”.

Yeah, good luck with that.

256 dr. luba  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:44:05am

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.

257 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:44:53am

re: #256 dr. luba

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.

Was there last night.

258 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:46:55am

re: #242 Lidane

It goes part and parcel with the NRA mainstreaming and mainlining of conspiracy theories about gun confiscation, Sandy Hook, and anti-Obama sentiment.

And it’s helped by a not insignificant dose of support and backing from the GOP who has made anti-Obama the core tenet of its policy objectives.

259 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:47:45am
260 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:47:57am

re: #255 NJDhockeyfan

No doubt but which countries will be willing to do it?

Meanwhile the terrorists want a trade:

Yeah, good luck with that.

Thankfully the French are stepping up to the plate. We aren’t doing much aside from a bit of support but hopefully we’re going to be soon expanding our drone program in the area. A lot of these people should have been taken out long ago.

261 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:48:22am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Well, there have been instances where shooters have had to reload or had gun jams and potential victims have overcome the shooter. They too benefit from any delay in firing caused by a reload.

262 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:48:36am

re: #256 dr. luba

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.

There’s a post up now, their registration ran out and John’s on vacation or something, so they’re trying to find his ass to call in the registration.

263 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:48:40am

re: #256 dr. luba

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.

264 dr. luba  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:49:24am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

It was gone this morning…meaning sometime after midnight, when I checked. Thought it might be a glitch, but still seems to be off-line.

265 dr. luba  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:49:57am

re: #263 wrenchwench

Thanks. Now that sounds like the Cole we know and love!

266 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:50:22am

re: #261 lawhawk

Well, there have been instances where shooters have had to reload or had gun jams and potential victims have overcome the shooter. They too benefit from any delay in firing caused by a reload.

Happens, but it’s the exception. We’re making law based on low-rate, high-outrage events and overlooking the day-to-day hemorrhage.

267 gwangung  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:51:55am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Happens, but it’s the exception. We’re making law based on low-rate, high-outrage events and overlooking the day-to-day hemorrhage.

If it’s working your way in, from the the lower frequency events to the more common events, then that’s fine.

268 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:53:29am

re: #267 gwangung

If it’s working your way in, from the the lower frequency events to the more common events, then that’s fine.

Not if it uses up all the available energy and wrecks the progressives for another half-generation. I want the House by 2016.

269 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:56:04am

re: #268 Decatur Deb

Not if it uses up all the available energy and wrecks the progressives for another half-generation. I want the House by 2016.

Good luck. They’re gerrymandering the shit out of everything that isn’t nailed down and prying away at the rest with claw hammers. They could be as popular as dick fungus in 3 years and still hold onto the House by a small margin.

270 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:56:14am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

It’s what I’ve been saying for a while here. The mental health and background checks, plus registration moves are more likely to reduce gun violence (homicides, accidents, suicides, and firearms injuries) because they affect every firearm, not just those that make their way into high profile mass shooting incidents. Handguns are the most common cause of homicides and suicides. The AWB and ammo holder size limits don’t affect those, while the background checks, mental health actions, and licensing/registration could work to reduce violence relating to handguns.

And a side benefit would be reduced health care costs. That’s a win-win.


But then you get idiot lawmakers who think they’re being too clever by half:

271 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:57:05am

re: #270 lawhawk

But then you get idiot lawmakers who think they’re being too clever by half:

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South Carolina is trying the same shit.

It’s like they don’t understand the Supremacy Clause. WTF.

272 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:58:05am

re: #270 lawhawk

Yup.

(There’s a similar bill in one of the Carolinas. Probably ALEC/NRA at work again.)

273 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:58:22am

re: #246 Ghost of Tom Joad

Obama should ask them to rename the song “Sig Heil to the Chief” just to fuck with everybody.

He could just use this:

Youtube Video
274 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 8:58:41am

re: #271 Lidane

Well, as we saw with the House, they might have no problem reciting the US Constitution, but they hardly know what its provisions actually mean.

275 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:00:20am

re: #274 lawhawk

Well, as we saw with the House, they might have no problem reciting the US Constitution, but they hardly know what its provisions actually mean.

Which is a problem when these are the people who are suposed to write our laws.

*sigh*

276 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:01:07am

NRA President blames Obama for death threats.

/breaks out the popcorn

277 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:01:15am

re: #246 Ghost of Tom Joad

Obama should ask them to rename the song “Sig Heil to the Chief” just to fuck with everybody.

Ooops! Sort of got my marches mixed up. This is the one I meant.

Youtube Video
278 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:02:02am

US doesn’t feel stakes in Mali ‘as intensely’ as France

The US has offered logistical support (airlift assistance, reinforced intelligence and supplies to French and African forces) to French operations in the country’s former colony. But it has made no decision yet as to whether it will provide surveillance drones or aerial refuelling for French jets, as requested by France. Furthermore, the authorities have said there are no plans to send in American troops.
….
France24.com spoke to Richard Downie, the deputy director of the Africa programme at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a bipartisan foreign policy think tank in Washington DC. Here are highlights from the interview.

It’s an enlightening interview, the first question explains why the US reaction has been so sluggish

France24.com: The US is cautious about getting involved in any military aspect of the situation in Mali. Why?

Richard Downie: The first thing to know is that the US has legal restrictions on support it can give to Mali directly. There is a law in the US that bars military assistance to countries where civilian governments have been toppled – like Mali, where the military coup last spring toppled president Touré. There is a transitional arrangement now, but the junta is still meddling in politics there. So the US is barred by its own legal restriction, which rules out supporting the Malian military directly.

279 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:04:36am

That sound you hear is a bunch of Breitbart fans screeching:

280 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:04:37am

re: #274 lawhawk

Well, as we saw with the House, they might have no problem reciting the US Constitution, but they hardly know what its provisions actually mean.

What’s worse isn’t that they don’t know what they mean, it’s that they think they do. Ask these tards about the Constitution and they act like they were sitting next to Jefferson while he penned the damn thing.

281 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:07:25am

Those filthy librul peaceniks at West Point are about to get a flood of hate mail:

282 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:07:54am

Ugh
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk…]

Police fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Muslim protesters trying to storm a Coptic Christian church in southern Egypt Friday, the Associated Press reports. The crowd gathered after word spread that a Christian man sexually assaulted a 6-year-old girl. Here’s AP:

Witnesses in Marashda village in the province of Qena said several shops and cars owned by Coptic Christians were torched overnight after Muslim villagers accused a merchant in his sixties of molesting the young girl.
Violence flared again after Friday prayers, with witnesses saying protesters surrounded the village’s central Abu Fam church, hurling stones and trying to storm it. Some climbed the church walls and destroyed a cross atop it. Police fired tear gas to scatter the crowd.

283 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:08:15am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

It’s not the NRA or ALEC, but appears to be a group entitled Firearms Freedom Act. The laws have been passed in quite a few states, and they’re a carbon copy for each.

A whois search finds that the site was registered by a Gary Marbut, who’s president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association.

There’s a writeup of his efforts to get this language enacted across the country, and Marbut thinks that it’s protected under the 10th. Go figure.

re: #271 Lidane


Critics said the bill, known as the “Michigan Firearms Freedom Act,” was a carbon copy of similar legislation filed in Missouri.

284 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:10:49am

re: #270 lawhawk

It’s what I’ve been saying for a while here. The mental health and background checks, plus registration moves are more likely to reduce gun violence (homicides, accidents, suicides, and firearms injuries) because they affect every firearm, not just those that make their way into high profile mass shooting incidents. Handguns are the most common cause of homicides and suicides. The AWB and ammo holder size limits don’t affect those, while the background checks, mental health actions, and licensing/registration could work to reduce violence relating to handguns.

And a side benefit would be reduced health care costs. That’s a win-win.

But then you get idiot lawmakers who think they’re being too clever by half:

[Embedded content]

Oh great, I can’t wait to see all the Tweets in #TGDN about GM should make guns instead of cars.

285 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:11:08am

re: #276 Ghost of Tom Joad

NRA President blames Obama for death threats.

/breaks out the popcorn

Isn’t David Keene the guy whose own son was convicted a few years back for a gun-related violence incident?

286 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:11:18am

re: #281 Lidane

Those filthy librul peaceniks at West Point are about to get a flood of hate mail:

[Embedded content]

There’s a sentence on that page that allows wingnuts to dismiss the study as not about them.

It is important to note that this study concentrates on those individuals and groups who have actually perpetuated violence and is not a comprehensive analysis of the political causes with which some far-right extremists identify.

287 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:12:27am

Shocka!

UN nuclear watchdog, Iran fail again to reach deal

VIENNA, Jan 18 (Reuters) - U.N. inspectors and Iran failed again in talks this week to revive an investigation into suspected nuclear arms research by Tehran, a setback for diplomatic efforts to resolve the atomic dispute with the Islamic Republic peacefully.

Herman Nackaerts, deputy director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), said on Friday after returning from Tehran that his inspectors had not been granted the access they have long sought to a military site.

A further round of negotiations was scheduled for Feb. 12, he said, more than a year after the IAEA and Iran held their first in a series of so far largely fruitless meetings.

288 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:13:11am

re: #238 sattv4u2

Quick drive by kiddies

Doing the Snoopy Happy Dance here

Didn’t tell anyone (other than closest family/ friends) but I was being tested for prostate cancer
Results came back
ZERO
NADA
NEGATORY

Guys. Get your PSA tested YEARLY!!

Good news, Satty. Good on ya, man.

289 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:14:26am

re: #285 RadicalModerate

Isn’t David Keene the guy whose own son was convicted a few years back for a gun-related violence incident?

Road rage IIRC, got 10 years.

290 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:16:30am

Your daily dose of Bryan Fischer’s derp:

291 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:16:50am

re: #256 dr. luba

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.


http://www.balloon-juice.com/

292 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:17:14am

re: #282 Killgore Trout

accused a merchant in his sixties of molesting the young girl.

Sickening, but unless the merchant was hiding from the authorities in the church there is no reason for

protesters trying to storm a Coptic Christian church

And even then,, no !!

293 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:17:22am

re: #288 makeitstop

thanks

294 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:17:48am

The GOP establishment is trying to put the brakes on the crazy train:

“We will raise the debt ceiling. We’re not going to default on our debt,” Senate Minority Whip John Cornyn (R-TX) said in an interview with the Houston Chronicle editorial board published Thursday. “I will tell you unequivocally, we’re not going to default.”

But is it too little too late? Are we just going to see a bunch of primaries for the ones who aren’t willing to chuck the country down a hole to prove a point?

295 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:17:51am

re: #291 makeitstop

There was a registration issue. They should be back up shortly.

296 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:18:08am

By way of explanation:

The balloon-juice.com domain name registration expired yesterday, and most of us can’t get to the site because the registrar turned off DNS resolution for [Link: www.balloon-juice.com…]

Those of you who can still reach the site are here because your ISP hasn’t updated its DNS cache, or because your browser has cached the DNS lookup of the site. At some point the cache will expire and you won’t be able to get to the site anymore.

For those of you who know what this means, the IP address of the server is 63.247.142.103. You can put an entry in your hosts file of

63.247.142.103 [Link: www.balloon-juice.com…]

and you’ll be able to get to the site that way.

297 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:20:11am

re: #294 Obdicut

I’m seeing stuff that the GOP is going to cobble together a deal for a couple of months, punting the issue down the road, but the real problem is that they’re not addressing the fact that the government already appropriated these funds in the first place. The GOP thinks that each successive round of debt ceiling will produce a different outcome than the last - when there’s no reason to believe otherwise.

Best option would be return to Gephardt rule - when Congress appropriates, it is a de facto increase in debt ceiling by amount to cover appropriations.

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:22:11am

re: #266 Decatur Deb

Happens, but it’s the exception. We’re making law based on low-rate, high-outrage events and overlooking the day-to-day hemorrhage.

I think that what is happening here is the baby steps to begin some progress on the issues. Trying to jump-start things further along the path would stir up even more resistance than what we are seeing now. It’s a long-term game, but it’s also trying to buck years and years of political resistance to any sort of gun control legislation and on-going erosion of the ability to even properly enforce the existing laws.

299 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:22:42am

re: #256 dr. luba

Anyone know what’s become of Balloon Juice? It seems to have disappeared off the intertubes.

Just checked, they are back.

300 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:22:50am

As much as I applaud the entrepreneurial spirit, there’s gotta be a better way to make a buck.

The owner of the Mom & Pop shop up the street just got back from a weekend in Las Vegas.

He said he and his wife were walking the Strip, and there was a homeless guy advertising, I dunno, his business, I suppose.

The sign read: “Kick me in the balls for $20.”

Ow.

301 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:23:52am

re: #272 Decatur Deb

Yup.

(There’s a similar bill in one of the Carolinas. Probably ALEC/NRA at work again.)

I pointed out that the “Citadel Plan” posted the other day included arms plants in the blueprint and that it was properly intended to legalize itself along the same lines.

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:24:27am

re: #274 lawhawk

Well, as we saw with the House, they might have no problem reciting the US Constitution, but they hardly know what its provisions actually mean.

I’m sure David Barton can provide just the interpretation they want to have.
///

303 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:27:00am

re: #300 BongCrodny

As much as I applaud the entrepreneurial spirit, there’s gotta be a better way to make a buck.

The owner of the Mom & Pop shop up the street just got back from a weekend in Las Vegas.

He said he and his wife were walking the Strip, and there was a homeless guy advertising, I dunno, his business, I suppose.

The sign read: “Kick me in the balls for $20.”

Ow.

Maybe it was a woman in drag. Still….

304 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:27:56am
305 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:28:29am

re: #292 sattv4u2

accused a merchant in his sixties of molesting the young girl.

Sickening, but unless the merchant was hiding from the authorities in the church there is no reason for

protesters trying to storm a Coptic Christian churchAnd even then,, no !!

It looks more like the usual manufactured accusations to gin up religious strife
Egypt police fire tear gas preempting church attack in Qena

The church had already been raided at dawn and a number of shops in the Al-Marshada village were torched by Muslims who claimed that a 45-year-old Coptic shop owner sexually harassed the six year old.

However, a number of the villagers deny the accusations saying that the shop owner has been always friendly to the young girl and treated her as his own child.

Eyewitnesses further added that the false accusations were circulated by girl’s neighbours and not by her family.

Bishop Kirollos of Naga Hamadi told Al-Ahram Arabic language news website that the young girl has received a medical checkup and it was proven that she is still a virgin.

Kirollos added that the priests have handed the accused shop owner over to the police for his own protection as they feared he might be killed.

I really have serious doubts about Egypt’s future.

306 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:28:51am

re: #294 Obdicut

The GOP establishment is trying to put the brakes on the crazy train:

But is it too little too late? Are we just going to see a bunch of primaries for the ones who aren’t willing to chuck the country down a hole to prove a point?

If they caved and a true default happened, they might die in a primary or general election, even in a gerrymandered district. A conniving challenger during a primary will find a way to use whatever the previous representative did against them. A (conservative blue-dog type) Democratic challenger would do the same while holding firm on other conservative hot-button issues.

I think it was a lose/lose for them no matter what they did. I think this is one of those “keep the powder dry” moments. Keep a default from happening, which would be catastrophic on some levels, but continue to fight rabidly against every other issue (guns, abortion, healthcare etc.).

307 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:31:18am

Amateur Australian prospector finds massive gold nugget

(Reuters) - An amateur Australian prospector who hadn’t had much luck searching for gold has struck it rich, unearthing a nugget heavier than a newborn baby and worth more than $300,000.

The anonymous prospector discovered the 5.5 kg (177 ounce) nugget near the country town of Ballarat and in an area known as the “Golden Triangle” due to its rich veins which sparked a gold rush in the 1850s.

The find came to light on Wednesday when the man walked into the Ballarat Mining Exchange Gold Shop and told owner Cordell Kent: “Mate, I found a good one”. He then revealed the nugget, adding that he had weighed it on the bathroom scales at home.

“It’s a substantial nugget,” Kent told Reuters.

The Y-shaped nugget, 22 centimeters (8.7 inches) long and 14 centimeters (5.5 inches) wide, was found by the prospector using an Australian-made gold detector.

“The intrinsic gold value is about A$286,000 ($301,100), but because it’s a natural raw specimen and they’re extremely rare it’s got a value far in excess of that,” Kent said.

308 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:31:32am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

SPRING!!!

309 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:32:59am

re: #300 BongCrodny

That reminded me of the movie “Idiocracy” and the show they had in it called “OW! My Balls!” about a guy who got nailed in the junk from being kicked or hit by various objects, including a wrecking ball IIRC.

310 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:33:40am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

It looks more like the usual manufactured accusations to gin up religious strife
Egypt police fire tear gas preempting church attack in Qena

I really have serious doubts about Egypt’s future.

Good thing there’s no religious divisions in the USA. //

311 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:34:50am

I’m fairly sure POTUS made it clear he’s not interested in having these conversations every few months.

312 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:34:53am

In the light of the “Obama=Hitler” rhetoric that the NRA-loving nuts are throwing around, maybe they’d like to explain this one?

Gun Appreciation Day Is Sponsored By A White Nationalist Party

Gun Appreciation Day, a prominent effort backed by conservative media outlets and activists to oppose new gun laws, has accepted the sponsorship of a white nationalist organization to promote and mobilize supporters for its January 19 event.

Gun Appreciation Day (GAD) is partnering with the American Third Position (A3P), a political group that describes itself as representing “the unique political interests of white Americans.” According to a party official, the organization is composed of “white nationalists.”

GAD’s organizers ask supporters to visit “gun stores, gun counters, gun shows, and gun ranges to protest the Obama administration’s post Sandy Hook assault on gun rights.” The event has received significant media coverage and promotion in recent days.

GAD lists A3P on its “sponsors” page along with its logo, motto (“Liberty. Sovereignty. Identity”) and a link to [ed:redacted]. Other sponsors include prominent conservative media outlets like RedState, the right-wing blog edited by CNN contributor Erick Erickson. The event’s main page asks visitors to “Please Support Our Sponsors.”

313 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:36:16am

re: #310 Gus

Good thing there’s no religious divisions in the USA. //

You mean like this?

[Link: www.toledoblade.com…]

314 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:36:44am

re: #310 Gus

Good thing there’s no religious divisions in the USA. //

Yup

Just came back from doing some errands and traffic was all tied up going by a Baptist Church with a crowd of Roman Catholics storming it!!

{sigh}

315 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:36:58am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

I really have serious doubts about Egypt’s future.

Your concern is noted.

316 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:37:25am

re: #301 Feline Fearless Leader

I pointed out that the “Citadel Plan” posted the other day included arms plants in the blueprint and that it was properly intended to legalize itself along the same lines.

There is some wild infighting going on between the Citadel threepers, the Sispsey Street threepers, and the American Redoubt survivalist group.

Moar popcorn, please.

317 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:37:49am

re: #315 darthstar

Your concern is noted.

Your notation is recognized!

318 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:38:03am

re: #311 Lidane

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I’m fairly sure POTUS made it clear he’s not interested in having these conversations every few months.

Cantor is a turd-eating moron.

319 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:38:14am

re: #316 Decatur Deb

There is some wild infighting going on between the Citadel threepers, the Sispsey Street threepers, and the American Redoubt survivalist group.

Moar popcorn, please.

One big compound, nicknamed “Thunderdome”?
/

320 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:38:23am

re: #317 sattv4u2

Your notation is recognized!

Your recognition is acknowledged.

321 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:38:59am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Yup

Just came back from doing some errands and traffic was all tied up going by a Baptist Church with a crowd of Roman Catholics storming it!!

{sigh}

Well. If we ascribe a religion to a nation’s actions then why can’t we ascribe Christian values to America’s actions. Ergo, Christians invaded Iraq based on bogus intel about WMDs. :D Sigh, sigh. //

322 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:39:03am

Ah well

Off to the airport to pick up Mrs Sattys friend. They haven’t seen each other in 15 years!

323 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:39:54am

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

324 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:40:02am

I forgot. It only counts when it’s Moozlims. I’m still opposed to the MB and Islamist rule. Just got to think about it more and stop pointing the finger as much. In my lifetime blacks had to sit in the back of the bus. Christian values and all that.

325 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:40:28am

re: #321 Gus

Well. If we ascribe a religion to a nation’s actions then why can’t we ascribe Christian values to America’s actions. Ero, Christian invaded Iraq based on bogus intel about WMDs. :D Sigh, sigh. //

he wasn’t

He was ascribing the actions of groups of “religious” people to the unraveling of a nation

326 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:41:09am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

Image: Some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-27.jpg

327 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:41:21am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

Maybe, but at least you don’t have to worry about her paternity.

328 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:41:22am

re: #325 sattv4u2

he wasn’t

He was ascribing the actions of groups of “religious” people to the unraveling of a nation

I know. He’s a Middle East expert with a minor in Egypt. //

329 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:41:42am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

Not until she ties you to a stake and places dried leaves and kindling around it

330 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:42:03am

re: #320 darthstar

re: #322 sattv4u2

Male announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Female announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Male announcer: [later] The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.
Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.
Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There’s never stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Don’t you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
Male announcer: Listen Betty, don’t start up with your white zone shit again.
[Later]
Male announcer: There’s just no stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
Male announcer: It’s really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely. Therapeutically there’s no danger involved.

331 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:42:25am

re: #328 Gus

I know. He’s a Middle East expert with a minor in Egypt. //

Yeah. Because thats exactly what her said

“as “Middle East expert with a minor in Egypt” this is what I decree”

332 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:43:13am

re: #331 sattv4u2

Yeah. Because thats exactly what her said

“as “Middle East expert with a minor in Egypt” this is what I decree”

“Morningly.” //

333 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:43:42am

Pig rectum, anyone?
(Rectum? It killed him!)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

334 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:43:46am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

Here’s a play through of a neat little game that might interest her
Little Inferno Part 1

Youtube Video

It’s kind of a puzzle game with a mystery to be solved and a lesson to be learned at the end. I thought it was really interesting.
335 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:44:16am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

If she wants to be a chemist, no. If a cook, yes.

336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:44:45am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

Is this her?

Image: cLrFw.jpg

337 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:44:59am

re: #335 Decatur Deb

If she wants to be a chemist, no. If a cook, yes.

The occasional flambe’ is allowed, no?

338 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:45:51am

Alex Jones has identified the biggest danger to the country yet:

Youtube Video
339 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:46:06am

More media conglomeration:

LIBERTY MEDIA TAKES MAJORITY HOLD OF SIRIUS XM

Liberty Media Corp. has bought enough shares in Sirius XM Radio Inc. to give it majority control of the satellite radio company.

Liberty, run by cable magnate John Malone, has been trying to take control of Sirius for some time. It disclosed in a regulatory filing Thursday that it bought 50 million common shares in Sirius. That was enough to give it a more than 50 percent stake in the New York company.

[…]

John Malone has his fingers on more things than even Rupert Murdoch, with whom he has worked to build News Corp into an international giant.

340 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:47:00am

re: #339 freetoken

More media conglomeration:

LIBERTY MEDIA TAKES MAJORITY HOLD OF SIRIUS XM

John Malone has his fingers on more things than even Rupert Murdoch, with whom he has worked to build News Corp into an international giant.

Just as long as they leave my Octane alone, there won’t be any problems.

341 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:47:11am

re: #337 Feline Fearless Leader

The occasional flambe’ is allowed, no?

Trivia for the day: Flambe carts in Army clubs are required to mount a Class B or C fire extinguisher.

342 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:47:20am

re: #336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Is this her?

Image: cLrFw.jpg

“If the store is called “Sears”, why isn’t it on fire?”
/ ;)

343 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:48:26am

re: #339 freetoken

More media conglomeration:

LIBERTY MEDIA TAKES MAJORITY HOLD OF SIRIUS XM

John Malone has his fingers on more things than even Rupert Murdoch, with whom he has worked to build News Corp into an international giant.

I’ve had Sirius XM for years and fully support any change in management. The company has been horribly and stupidly mismanaged for a very long time. It could be a great product if the company was run better.

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:49:25am

re: #341 Decatur Deb

Trivia for the day: Flambe carts in Army clubs are required to mount a Class B or C fire extinguisher.

I presume Army manuals on cooking in the field probably have sections explaining the user of flamethrowers or C4 for cooking.
(IIRC, without a detonator you can simply set C4 on fire and it will burn and not explode.)

345 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:50:33am

re: #336 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Is this her?

Image: cLrFw.jpg

More like this but enjoys burning leaves instead of flowers.

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346 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:51:09am

re: #344 Feline Fearless Leader

I presume Army manuals on cooking in the field probably have sections explaining the user of flamethrowers or C4 for cooking.
(IIRC, without a detonator you can simply set C4 on fire and it will burn and not explode.)

I’ve watched it done (1/2 inch cube) to heat a canteen cup, but I still wanted to punch the idiot out.

347 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:52:46am

Whoa…

West Point! Cue the splodely heads.

348 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:56:00am

The gun culture runs very deeply in this country:

President Obama’s gun proposals ignore ‘real issues,’ Kent County Sheriff Larry Stelma says

The gun-control debate sparked testy rhetoric this week, and some law enforcement leaders in Michigan and beyond haven’t been shy about saying they won’t enforce tougher laws aimed at assault-style weapons.

West Michigan sheriffs are trying to cut through the bluster. When it comes to gun violence, they think the national debate is missing the bigger picture.

“I am sick and tired of both sides,” said Kent County Sheriff Larry Stelma. “People are trying to gin up emotional attention to issues. Quite frankly, none of it solves the problem.”

In Northern Michigan, Benzie County Sheriff Ted Schendel is among sheriffs across the U.S. who say they would not enforce new gun restrictions, such as an assault-weapon ban, proposed by President Barack Obama.

He told UpNorthLive.com that Obama is trying to “limit or circumvent the Second Amendment by restricting assault-style weapons and 30-round magazines.

“I took an oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution. Any law that the federal government passes which circumvents our Second Amendment, I will not abide by, and I will not enforce,” he told UpNorthLive.com

Jackson County, Ky., Sheriff Denny Peyman told NBC News: “Kentucky is a sovereign state. … The federal government is coming in and saying, ‘This is what you’re going to do.’ We’re not going to do it.”

Stelma says the debate spurred by Obama’s gun-control proposals misses the bigger picture. It takes the focus away from areas that could bring real change: mental-health treatment, stronger families and eliminating children’s exposure to violence in video games and other media.

“This hype is just a bunch of nonsense,” Stelma said Thursday, Jan. 17.

Stelma said federal agents enforce federal laws, while local and state officers enforce state laws. He said any changes would not affect the way his deputies conduct their business.

[…]

Ottawa County Sheriff Gary Rosema agreed with Stelma: “The big issue is, mental-health reform is needed.”

[…]

It’s going to be a tough haul for the President to enact even the meek proposals he’s stated.

349 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:56:04am

re: #333 darthstar

Pig rectum, anyone?
(Rectum? It killed him!)

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

I don’t like calamari anyway, so it’s no loss to me.

350 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:56:14am

re: #330 lawhawk

re: #322 sattv4u2

Male announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Female announcer: The white zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the red zone.
Male announcer: [later] The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in the white zone.
Female announcer: No, the white zone is for loading of passengers and there is no stopping in a RED zone.
Male announcer: The red zone has always been for loading and unloading of passengers. There’s never stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Don’t you tell me which zone is for loading, and which zone is for stopping!
Male announcer: Listen Betty, don’t start up with your white zone shit again.
[Later]
Male announcer: There’s just no stopping in a white zone.
Female announcer: Oh really, Vernon? Why pretend, we both know perfectly well what this is about. You want me to have an abortion.
Male announcer: It’s really the only sensible thing to do, if its done safely. Therapeutically there’s no danger involved.

You know what really sucks? That movie is approaching 33 years old.

351 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:57:46am

re: #348 freetoken

The gun culture runs very deeply in this country:

President Obama’s gun proposals ignore ‘real issues,’ Kent County Sheriff Larry Stelma says

It’s going to be a tough haul for the President to enact even the meek proposals he’s stated.

I iz a sovereign sheriff.

352 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 9:58:08am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

More like this but enjoys burning leaves instead of flowers.

Image: magnifying-glasses-used-800x800.jpg

As a kid I used to burn ants and set fires with my magnifying lenses. I also used to start fires with wooden matches or the sulphur scraped from the end.

One day One of my younger brothers and I set fire to small areas of weeds while the other two siblings stomped them out. We got to the back of our fence where there was a large area of weeds, and wanting to test the abilities of our two youngest brothers (6 and 5) Rick and I lit multiple areas of the patch. If Rick and I hadn’t helped them out the fence would have gone up in flames.

353 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:01:07am

re: #352 b_sharp

As a kid I used to burn ants and set fires with my magnifying lenses. I also used to start fires with wooden matches or the sulphur scraped from the end.

One day One of my younger brothers and I set fire to small areas of weeds while the other two siblings stomped them out. We got to the back of our fence where there was a large area of weeds, and wanting to test the abilities of our two youngest brothers (6 and 5) Rick and I lit multiple areas of the patch. If Rick and I hadn’t helped them out the fence would have gone up in flames.

Alcohol [x]
Plastic airplane model [x]
Bugs [x]
Matches [x]

354 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:01:35am

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

More like this but enjoys burning leaves instead of flowers.

Image: magnifying-glasses-used-800x800.jpg

I wouldn’t be worried unless she has other behavior issues. Fire can be beautiful, almost hypnotic. It’s a fascinating element, perhaps because of it’s dual nature of being something that can both help & destroy.

I used to do the leaf & magnifying glass thing as a kid—it’s totally cool how that works. As long as she’s old enough to know she needs to be very careful, personally, I’d be pleased to see that she has a healthy, natural curiosity about how things work.

355 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:01:39am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

My 10 year old daughter told me last weekend “I love to watch things burn.”

Should I be worried?

I was watching the women’s winter biathalon with my daughter, who was two years old at the time, when she uttered her first complete, grammatically correct sentence: “I want a gun!”

To which I repled, “You’ll have to learn to ski first.”

356 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:02:54am

GOP settles on paying bills already incurred for three-months, then fighting about it some more.
[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com…]

357 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:03:10am

Heh.

Box with some computer stuff came in from CDW.

On bottom of box printed in 1” high red letters it says, “OUCH! Flip me over.”

:)

358 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:04:04am

No way? Really? :O

359 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:04:41am

re: #348 freetoken

The gun culture runs very deeply in this country:

President Obama’s gun proposals ignore ‘real issues,’ Kent County Sheriff Larry Stelma says

It’s going to be a tough haul for the President to enact even the meek proposals he’s stated.

Add sheriffs in Colorado and Idaho, according to Freep.

360 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:04:42am

A lot of scaremongering out there today about genetic testing:

Fetal Genome Screening Could Prove Tragic

And then this bit of research:


Identifying Personal Genomes by Surname Inference

PR: [Link: www.eurekalert.org…]


is being covered widely:

[Link: www.latimes.com…]
[Link: www.bloomberg.com…]
[Link: www.nature.com…]
[Link: www.the-scientist.com…]

361 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:04:47am

re: #358 Gus

No way? Really? :O

Did the Satanic Obama use an autopen to do that?
//

362 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:05:07am

re: #356 jaunte

GOP settles on paying bills already incurred for three-months, then fighting about it some more.
[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com…]

MORONS. All of them.

Obama already said he wasn’t in the mood to have these conversations in piecemeal. He’s not going to sign off on something just for three months only to have to deal with this shit again.

363 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:05:25am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

What are all these sheriffs going to do when the USSC rules the regulations constitutional.

364 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:06:06am

re: #358 Gus

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No way? Really? :O

From Weigel’s piece:

And also: Me. For a while on Wednesday, I referred to Obama’s “executive orders,” printing the list of actions in full, but muffing the terminology. Why did all of us do that? You know, I think the pre-game panic about the very idea of Obama “signing executive orders” — I think that got into our heads.

He’s a weird dude.

365 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:06:07am

re: #353 Gus

Alcohol [x]
Plastic airplane model [x]
Bugs [x]
Matches [x]

I had an alcohol lamp I used to ‘ice’ the ceilings of our snow forts.

366 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:06:27am

This is America: We’re afraid to let you test your DNA, but you can have all the .50 caliber assault rifles you want.

367 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:07:16am

Wheee!

‘Firearms instructor’ hired as school guard leaves handgun in student bathroom

But really— we should put more armed civilains in schools.

368 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:07:18am

re: #363 freetoken

The Supreme Court has already ruled that firearms regulations are constitutional. Heller reaffirmed that very right. Per Scalia:

“nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”

369 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:07:41am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

I’ve had Sirius XM for years and fully support any change in management. The company has been horribly and stupidly mismanaged for a very long time. It could be a great product if the company was run better.

Blindly supporting change for the sake of change is as stupid as blindly being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian.

Media conglomeration is a very bad thing for the US, and a bad thing for the expression of speech— which is something you pretend to hold dear.

370 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:07:48am

re: #364 wrenchwench

From Weigel’s piece:

He’s a weird dude.

He is. That’s why I only see him when he’s re-Tweeted by people I follow. :D

371 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:07:52am

re: #363 freetoken

What are all these sheriffs going to do when the USSC rules the regulations constitutional.

Mind their own business and enforce local law, leaving firearms control to the pros.

372 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:08:03am

re: #352 b_sharp

As a kid I used to burn ants and set fires with my magnifying lenses. I also used to start fires with wooden matches or the sulphur scraped from the end.

One day One of my younger brothers and I set fire to small areas of weeds while the other two siblings stomped them out. We got to the back of our fence where there was a large area of weeds, and wanting to test the abilities of our two youngest brothers (6 and 5) Rick and I lit multiple areas of the patch. If Rick and I hadn’t helped them out the fence would have gone up in flames.

What kid hasn’t burned stuff with a magnifying glass? I’m OK with it until she starts setting the trash cans in the house on fire.

373 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:08:40am

re: #366 freetoken

This is America: We’re afraid to let you test your DNA, but you can have all the .50 caliber assault rifles you want.

But Egypt. //

374 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:09:58am

re: #373 Gus

But Egypt. //

An Ontos in every driveway?

375 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:11:10am

re: #365 b_sharp

I had an alcohol lamp I used to ‘ice’ the ceilings of our snow forts.

Lysol/flame thrower. No, I’m not into fires. Back in the day this is what kids used to do.

376 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:11:18am
377 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:12:14am
378 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:13:19am
379 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:13:21am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

[Embedded content]

Welcome to the next GOP conspiracy. I wonder whose appointment they’ll try to hold up over this one?

380 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:15:36am

re: #375 Gus

Lysol/flame thrower. No, I’m not into fires. Back in the day this is what kids used to do.

WD40 as well. The bane of the plastic armyman.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:16:09am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

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Do they know how many?

382 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:16:45am

Remind me again who the majority party in the House is?

Fucking cowards.

383 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:20:24am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

Do they know how many?

I’m not sure. There were only a few Americans there and I think at least 2 have been freed. I’m not sure if anyone’s done the math to see how many Americans remain.

384 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:20:52am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

Do they know how many?

I read an article about 30 minutes ago that said they weren’t saying as they didn’t want to help the bad guys with info (they believe some people could be hiding).

385 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:22:58am

re: #383 Killgore Trout

I’m not sure. There were only a few Americans there and I think at least 2 have been freed. I’m not sure if anyone’s done the math to see how many Americans remain.

I heard 7 initially yesterday but the hostage numbers seem to change by the hour.

386 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:23:56am

re: #347 Gus

Whoa…

[Embedded content]

West Point! Cue the splodely heads.

Freep has found it good to withdraw its thread on this.

387 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:24:24am

re: #375 Gus

Lysol/flame thrower. No, I’m not into fires. Back in the day this is what kids used to do.

Back in the day we were free to explore everything, including a few dangerous ideas.

388 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:26:16am

re: #386 Decatur Deb

Freep has found it good to withdraw its thread on this.

I can smell the burning of raw, unused grey cells in the wind.

389 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:30:18am

re: #386 Decatur Deb

Freep has found it good to withdraw its thread on this.

If Freep had to withdraw a thread I can only imagine how unhinged it got.

390 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:30:53am

re: #384 CuriousLurker

Based on the way POTUS has been going after terrorists, I’m guessing the bad guys in Algeria can take this to the bank:

U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said those responsible would be hunted down: “Terrorists should be on notice that they will find no sanctuary, no refuge, not in Algeria, not in North Africa, not anywhere,” he said in London. “Those who would wantonly attack our country and our people will have no place to hide.”

Source

391 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:32:33am

re: #389 Lidane

If Freep had to withdraw a thread I can only imagine how unhinged it got.

If they expect the military to join the revolution than they have to be careful of how an article involving West Point is treated.

392 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:36:01am

re: #389 Lidane

If Freep had to withdraw a thread I can only imagine how unhinged it got.

re: #391 Feline Fearless Leader

If they expect the military to join the revolution than they have to be careful of how an article involving West Point is treated.

It had a handful of comments when I scanned it—one saying the marxists were conditioning the new generation of commanders to turn on their people.

393 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 10:41:22am

re: #339 freetoken

More media conglomeration:

LIBERTY MEDIA TAKES MAJORITY HOLD OF SIRIUS XM

John Malone has his fingers on more things than even Rupert Murdoch, with whom he has worked to build News Corp into an international giant.

The word ‘Liberty’ in the company name is mildly disconcerting. Force of habit.

394 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 6:58:46pm

re: #177 William Barnett-Lewis

They still have a problem with tube magazines. The only exception is for .22 so a currently made .30-30 would be illegal (my Winchester holds 8). I’m still not sure how going from 10 round to 7 makes anyone safer anyway…

I’ll wait to comment then.

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