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More White Supremacists Sponsoring “Gun Appreciation Day”

This event is lousy with racists and deranged conspiracy kooks
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Following up on our previous post about the white supremacist hate group discovered to be sponsoring “Gun Appreciation Day,” the organizers may have removed “American Third Position” from their sponsor list, but A3P is not the only racist hate group on that list.

LGF contributor Gus noticed another interesting sponsor: Whiteout Press, a site that specializes in far right conspiracy theories and hate memes.

A quick look through their deranged website turns up this antisemitic article, originally published by National Vanguard — an outright neo-Nazi group: Is the Media Controlled by Jews?

Is the Media Controlled by Jews?

That used to be considered a crazy question only asked by bigots, anti-Semites and conspiracy theorists. However, one celebrity after another has fallen victim for simply admitting that the long-held notion is actually true. Beginning with Walt Disney, Henry Ford and Charles Limdbergh, the accusations have been leveled by Jews and non-Jews alike. Some Hollywood insiders who’ve been black-listed at one time or another for publically suggesting the television and movie industry is controlled by a cult-like Zionist underground network include; Oliver Stone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Marlon Brando, Mel Gibson, Charlie Sheen, CNN’s Rick Sanchez, a chief National Public Radio executive and even the LA Times’ Joel Stein.

In fact, in his column in the LA Times (Dec. 19, 2008), Stein says that Americans who think the Jews do not control Hollywood and the media are just plain “dumb”. “Jews totally run Hollywood” Stein proudly admits. He then goes on to provide a long, long list of Hollywood and media chiefs to prove his point. All of them - Jews. They include:

  • Fox News President Peter Chernin
  • Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey
  • Walt Disney CEO Robert Igor
  • Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton
  • Warner Brothers Chairman Barry Meyer
  • CBS CEO Leslie Moonves
  • MGM Chairman Harry Sloan
  • NBC Universal CEO Jeff Zucker.
  • Even the head of the Actors’ Union, the Screen Actors Guild, Alan Rosenberg, is a Jew.

Isn’t that lovely? These are the people behind Gun Appreciation Day.

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178 comments

1 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:31:12am

Is the Right Wing controlled by Crackers?

2 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:31:43am

I see RedState is listed as one of the sponsors.

Will Eric son of Erick own up to the nature of the people in whose bed he is sleeping?

3 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:33:38am

Oh sure, jump all over them because one sponsor is a white supremacist group.

What? Another one? OK, so two white suprema -

How many?

Bloody hell.
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4 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:33:54am

The connections to William Pierce are troubling too. As already mentioned, that’s the guy who inspired Tim McVeigh and pretty much every turn of last century domestic terrorist. Yeah but white supremacists are lefties.//

5 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:34:49am

Not at all surprising. Most of these gun-nuts check off all of the boxes of your typical hyper-conservative wingnut.

Racist. Bigot. Misogynist. Jingoist. Religous nuts. Most of these people overlap on every hot-button conservative issue to some degree.

6 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:35:52am

Are the advertisers all Jews?

Are the buyers all Jews?

I love how so-called capitalists try to twist anything they don’t like. On one hand they praise how the market is in control,( or would be if the gubernet withered and died) and on the other they scream about some conspiracy being in charge.

7 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:35:56am

Limdbergh

i’ll answer the question as soon as i finish pronouncing ‘limdbergh’

8 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:38:17am

re: #7 engineer cat

Limdbergh

i’ll answer the question as soon as i finish pronouncing ‘limdbergh’

Sounds like….
Image: bill-lumbergh-office-space1.jpg

9 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:38:53am

re: #7 engineer cat

Limdbergh

i’ll answer the question as soon as i finish pronouncing ‘limdbergh’

Limdbergh, pronounced “racist douche nozzle”

10 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:39:00am

Besides the clearly racist groups, some of the rest are outright birther groups, such as “Eidsness Community of Safety”, which fronts for American Civil Sentinels. The person involved is Dean C. Trivandian, is deep into JBS stuff.

It’s all the same group of white supremacists who after 2008 set out to make it their lives’ goals to destroy Barack Obama.

11 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:41:17am

Wow, spooky.

It turns out that “gun appreciation day” is an anagram for “I suspect my wife may be attracted to dark-skinned gentlemen”.

12 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:41:27am
That used to be considered a crazy question only asked by bigots, anti-Semites and conspiracy theorists.

Um…

13 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:42:03am

It’s Robert Iger, not Robert Igor.

14 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:42:40am

OK… OK… As a Jew, and we all know that when one of us speaks, we all speak, I think it is time to come clean.

We wrote that “white Christmas” song.

Yes we did. But that is not the real confession…

No, I am going to blow open my whole people’s conspiracy here. I am so tired of the hiding.

For years, Jewish executives in Hollywood made very Christian themed movies - things like “the Robe” and “Ben Hur” - because we knew that Christian Americans (the majority) would like them and… I know that its wrong… that would make money…

I know… It’s horrible. But we should come clean.

We were also behind that relativity thing, and that quark model thing and fiber optics too.

Yeah, I feel better getting that off my chest.

15 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:42:59am

“If you make a generalized statement about The _________________ (fill in group designation) you might just be a bigot.”

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:43:08am

re: #13 Ian G.

It’s Robert Iger, not Robert Igor.

That’s Eiger, like the North Face.

17 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:43:17am

re: #11 iossarian

Wow, spooky.

It turns out that “gun appreciation day” is an anagram for “I suspect my wife may be attracted to dark-skinned gentlemen”.

so the fallacy of False Scarcity is applied to Vaginas as well.

18 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:43:25am

Here’s Trivandian’s Yahoo group, according to the “Patriot Unity Coalition” website:

God’s Vigilant Militiamen

We are an autonomous, faith-based, grassroots, transpartisan, volunteer cooperative that exists to defend, inform, mobilize, and serve all God-fearing and patriotic Americans in matters regarding atheistic secularism, cosmic humanism, cultural Marxism, economic globalism, illegal immigration, jihadic Islamofascism, liberal socialism, moral relativism, Orwellian statism, and other encroachments of NWO/OWO tyranny.

[…]

Way out in Alex Jones territory.

And yet we see state and local Republican party groups supporting this “day”, and even a Texas Congressman pushing it.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:44:07am

re: #15 jaunte

“If you make a generalized statement about The sort of people who make generalizations about racial and ethnic groups you might just be a bigot.”

20 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:44:58am

re: #19 Sol Berdinowitz

White Supremacist Aikido!

21 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:45:00am

re: #14 Mad Prophet Ludwig

OK… OK… As a Jew, and we all know that when one of us speaks, we all speak, I think it is time to come clean.

We wrote that “white Christmas” song.

Yes we did. But that is not the real confession…

No, I am going to blow open my whole people’s conspiracy here. I am so tired of the hiding.

For years, Jewish executives in Hollywood made very Christian themed movies - from things like “the Robe” and “Ben Hur” - because we knew that Americans would like them and that would make money…

I know… It’s horrible. But we should come clean.

We were also behind that relativity thing, and that quark model thing and fiber optics too.

Yeah, I feel better getting that off my chest.

Yeah, next you are going to make orchards and farms in the desert!

22 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:46:04am

re: #18 freetoken

Here’s Trivandian’s Yahoo group, according to the “Patriot Unity Coalition” website:

God’s Vigilant Militiamen

Way out in Alex Jones territory.

And yet we see state and local Republican party groups supporting this “day”, and even a Texas Congressman pushing it.

And if you look him up, you quickly find ties to Oath Keepers. What a surprise.

23 kerFuFFler  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:47:18am

It is interesting that at gun shows, guns are required to be unloaded and the triggers secured with little zip-cords. This completely reveals the dishonesty of people preaching that we would all be more secure if everyone was packing heat. If that were true, then why do gun shows have such sensible restrictions? Wouldn’t gun shows be safer (by their logic) if every ones’ guns were loaded?
I hope a lot of people bring this up on “gun appreciation day”.

24 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:47:21am

re: #20 jaunte

White Supremacist Aikido!

Just a riff on the “you’re a racist for mentioning race” TP.

25 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:47:24am

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

so the fallacy of False Scarcity is applied to Vaginas as well.

Yeah, I know, only 50% of all humans have one…

Though to be fair, look at a lot of these wingnuts and racists. They say the nicest things about women, and clearly, they are some of the most balanced, confident, fair minded, gainfully employed, cultured, youngest, fittest, educated and all around classy gentlemen out there.

Women must be tossing themselves at such catches.

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26 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:47:36am

Also, Mel Gibson was blacklisted? The same drunken, wife-beating, racist, Jew-baiting homophobe who accompanied Jodie Foster to the Golden Globes on Sunday?

27 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:49:30am

re: #25 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Yeah, I know, only 50% of all humans have one…

Though to be fair, look at a lot of these wingnuts and racists. They say the nicest things about women, and clearly they are some of the most balanced, confident, fair minded, gainfully employed, cultured, educated and all around classy gentlemen out there.

Women must be tossing themselves at such catches.

I think alcohol is involved.

28 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:50:13am

Here’s the meta tags included in that page:

meta name=”keywords” content=”Jews control the media, Jewish control of Hollywood, Jews control TV, Jewish domination of entertainment, Jewish monopolies”

This isn’t there by accident.

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:51:06am

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

I think alcohol is involved.

Was the sarcasm not obvious?

30 bratwurst  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:51:15am

So “Gun Appreciation Day” has associations with white nationalists…didn’t I read here recently that bringing up these types of connections is merely a way of distracting from the topic at hand? Maybe that rule only applies in the pages, I don’t know. /

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:52:51am

So Jews run America

And America is the world’s leading economic, technological and military power as well as dominating the popular culture and entertainment industries.

So who is responsible for that, then?

32 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:53:24am

re: #22 Kragar

Oath Keepers are among the sponsors.

33 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:53:29am

re: #31 Sol Berdinowitz

So Jews run America

And America is the world’s leading economic, technological and military power as well as dominating the popular culture and entertainment industries.

So who is responsible for that, then?

You think that’s bad. I heard they run ISRAEL too!!!

34 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:54:34am
35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:55:26am

re: #18 freetoken

Here’s Trivandian’s Yahoo group, according to the “Patriot Unity Coalition” website:

God’s Vigilant Militiamen

Way out in Alex Jones territory.

And yet we see state and local Republican party groups supporting this “day”, and even a Texas Congressman pushing it.

Birthers, neo-Nazis, antisemites, Paulians, white supremacists, and Erick Erickson.

36 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:55:52am

re: #31 Sol Berdinowitz

Wait, I thought American was caught in the tentacles of a crazed Kenyan Muslim Atheist Marxist Nazi?

Needless to say, I don’t wade through the filth that is the white supremacist internet very often, but I wonder if there are any conspiracies about Obama being Jewish?

37 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:56:15am

re: #31 Sol Berdinowitz

So Jews run America

And America is the world’s leading economic, technological and military power as well as dominating the popular culture and entertainment industries.

So who is responsible for that, then?

Hard-working white men.

The answer is always “hard-working white men.”

38 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:56:31am

Because when asking a scientific question, do you want someone to admit they don’t really know but here are some ideas they have or a steady stream of convoluted horseshit they use to try and control every aspect of your life with?

39 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:57:04am

re: #36 Ian G.

Wait, I thought American was caught in the tentacles of a crazed Kenyan Muslim Atheist Marxist Nazi?

Needless to say, I don’t wade through the filth that is the white supremacist internet very often, but I wonder if there are any conspiracies about Obama being Jewish?

You better believe there are. Just Google “Is Obama Jewish?”

40 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 11:58:18am

re: #39 Charles Johnson

You better believe there are. Just Google “Is Obama Jewish?”

Man, those Kenyan Muslim Jews are the worst.
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41 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:01:40pm

re: #31 Sol Berdinowitz

re: #33 rwdflynavy

Remember,

I am a Zionist Overlord of Remulak! Zionism is an intergalactic ideal.

Soon… we will come out of the shadows and force you puny earthlings to feel the might of our authority!!!

Yes we will impose Jewish Biblical ideals on all of you… things that demand a worker get fair pay! Oh yes! The notion that all good people go to heaven…. That too! We will demand that you care for the poor and the sick and widows and orphans just because they are other humans. Our fiendish goals will include educating the masses and even women!

And you will eat kreplach and you will LIKE kreplach!

42 sagehen  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:01:44pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

You better believe there are. Just Google “Is Obama Jewish?”

His wife’s cousin is a rabbi, does that count?

43 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:02:46pm

re: #26 Ian G.

Also, Mel Gibson was blacklisted? The same drunken, wife-beating, racist, Jew-baiting homophobe who accompanied Jodie Foster to the Golden Globes on Sunday?

The irony of complaining about blacklisting from people who supported real blacklisting is funny.

44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:03:23pm

The West Point publication about the violent fringe of the far-right (which you can read here - [PDF]) mentions (among other things):

When attempts were made to expand the militia beyond the core network of founders, a variety of mechanisms were used to garner recruits, including the introduction of NWO theories and the exploitation of recruits’ sentiments concerning topical issues such as the expansion of gun control, environmental legislation, government promotion of liberal social policies, e.g., Clinton’s health reform initiative, and the changing demography of American society, particularly through ostensibly xenophilic immigration policies.
277

Any of that sound familiar?

45 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:03:49pm

re: #38 Kragar

Yes, Bryan, you do have an explanation for the origins of life. It’s a bad explanation, but it’s an explanation nonetheless.

Why do knuckledraggers like Fishcer hold it AGAINST scientists when they say “we don’t know, but we’re working on it”?

46 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:05:27pm

re: #44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

The West Point publication about the violent fringe of the far-right (which you can read here - [PDF]) mentions (among other things):

Any of that sound familiar?

The synopsis for an Alex Jones broadcast?

47 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:06:59pm

re: #40 Kragar

Man, those Kenyan Muslim Jews are the worst.
/

It’s the way they control the upper echelons of society. Leads to a sense of entitlement. That’s why Obama always looks so damn smug.

48 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:07:03pm

re: #45 Ian G.

Yes, Bryan, you do have an explanation for the origins of life. It’s a bad explanation, but it’s an explanation nonetheless.

Why do knuckledraggers like Fishcer hold it AGAINST scientists when they say “we don’t know, but we’re working on it”?

Life began on Earth when a magical flying unicorn farted on a marshmallow.

There, I have an explanation of how life began on Earth.

49 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:02pm

re: #40 Kragar

Man, those Hawaiian Kenyan Muslim Jews are the worst.
/

50 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:12pm

re: #45 Ian G.

Yes, Bryan, you do have an explanation for the origins of life. It’s a bad explanation, but it’s an explanation nonetheless.

Why do knuckledraggers like Fishcer hold it AGAINST scientists when they say “we don’t know, but we’re working on it”?

An answer in all seriousness:

Because they come from a mindset of divine authority that always claims to know. Their arrogance and insecurity can not handle a world that does not fall into simple explanations and appeals to authority. I’m not saying this to be mean per se. I mean very seriously that there is a mindset that simply can’t handle being out of a certain well defined and highly structured comfort zone. To say “I don’t know” is seen as a weakness rather than a strength.

Ultimately that structured comfort zone comes from insecurity. They could not imagine saying “I don’t know, but I’ll figure it out” because they project themselves on others. They can’t imagine figuring it out, so of course no one else will eventually either…

51 Destro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:25pm

0re: #40 Kragar

Man, those Kenyan Muslim Jews are the worst.
/

That would be a Kenyan Muslim Marxist Nazi Jew….

Sheesh……..Obama must always be trying to kill himself with all those arch nemesis genes….

52 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:37pm
53 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:45pm

I’m ready to vomit. I’ll have to read the rest later:

The third ideological pillar of the Identity movement is the endorsement of racial segregation and the notion of the superiority of the Aryan race. The origins of these perceptions are embedded in the Identity movement’s interpretation of the biblical story of Genesis. According to this version, Adam was not the first man, but the first white man. Before him, pre-Adamic people of color were created by God who possessed lesser spiritual attributes and qualities.

Furthermore, the white people could be divided into two competing “seed-lines”: those who are descendants of Adam and Eve (Aryans), and all others (non-Aryans), who are descendants of Eve and the serpent.

Based on this interpretation, the Identity thinkers concluded that race mixing,
as in the case of Eve and the serpent, was the original sin that led to the expulsion of the white man from the Garden of Eden.

The narrative identifies Cain, the first murderer, as the son of Satan and the first Jew.

54 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:09:49pm

re: #49 rwdflynavy

Yeah… the only permissible pork is poy….

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55 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:10:11pm

re: #41 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #33 rwdflynavy

And you will eat kreplach and you will LIKE kreplach!

kreplach soup can be very tasty

chopped liver, even, is usually very tasty

gefilte fish?

that requires real commitment!

56 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:10:52pm

re: #29 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Was the sarcasm not obvious?

No, it wasn’t sarcastic.

Women do throw themselves at these types of men. I am being kind when I say that alcohol must be the cause.

It takes all kinds, I guess.

57 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:11:03pm

re: #51 Destro

0

That would be a Kenyan Muslim Marxist Nazi Jew….

Sheesh……..Obama must always be trying to kill himself with all those arch nemesis genes….

My family tree is German and Italian, my wife is Japanese.

I figure my kids will end up annexing the Sudetanland and Manchuria at some point.

58 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:11:05pm

re: #53 FemNaziBitch

I’m ready to vomit. I’ll have to read the rest later:

I honestly got a headache just reading that.

59 Destro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:11:09pm

re: #50 Mad Prophet Ludwig

An answer in all seriousness:

Because they come from a mindset of divine authority that always claims to know. Their arrogance and insecurity can not handle a world that does not fall into simple explanations and appeals to authority. I’m not saying this to be mean per se. I mean very seriously that there is a mindset that simply can’t handle being out of a certain well defined and highly structured comfort zone. To say “I don’t know” is seen as a weakness rather than a strength.

Ultimately that structured comfort zone comes from insecurity. They could not imagine saying “I don’t know, but I’ll figure it out” because they project themselves on others. They can’t imagine figuring it out, so of course no one else will eventually either…

When I was on Freerepublic for the last time in any meaningful way the derps were all up in arms against the notion of Kerry being nuanced. They viewed being nuanced as the biggest evil out there. They wanted their world black and white and shades were suspect. I never forgot that.

60 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:11:59pm

re: #44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

The West Point publication about the violent fringe of the far-right (which you can read here - [PDF]) mentions (among other things):

Any of that sound familiar?

We must have gotten that at exactly the same time. I just posted a page about it.

61 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:14:31pm

re: #53 FemNaziBitch

I’m ready to vomit. I’ll have to read the rest later:

Yes. It’s the basic response to the (normally) children’s question: “If Adam and Eve were first and they had two sons, where did the city Cain went to come from?”

62 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:15:07pm

re: #53 FemNaziBitch

I’m ready to vomit. I’ll have to read the rest later:

OK that is kinda interesting…

I am always astonished about the naked jealousy there.

It is really hard to deny the Jewish origins of the Bible. So what is a nutjob to do when he wants to go to the Bible for his authority, but then doesn’t want to be Jewish, or actually hates Jews?

He takes the Bible for his own by turning it into his own myth and then claims his corrections are the “real message, that got perverted by those original Jews.”

It is similar to a guy who hates women (or other men) because he is attracted to them. Damn that women for being so pretty! Damn that gay guy for being so attractive!

This is also, ultimately why there is a mosque on the Temple Mount.

63 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:15:32pm

re: #55 engineer cat

kreplach soup can be very tasty

chopped liver, even, is usually very tasty

gefilte fish?

that requires real commitment!

No, gefilte fish is based on the concept of a dare.

GAHHHHH

64 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:15:33pm

re: #61 kirkspencer

Yes. It’s the basic response to the (normally) children’s question: “If Adam and Eve were first and they had two sons, where did the city Cain went to come from?”

The magical flying unicorn pooped and the city came out.

65 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:15:54pm

re: #57 Kragar

My family tree is German and Italian, my wife is Japanese.

I figure my kids will end up annexing the Sudetanland and Manchuria at some point.

While railing at the masses from the balcony.

66 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:16:05pm

re: #62 Mad Prophet Ludwig

OK that is kinda interesting…

I am always astonished about the naked jealousy there.

It is really hard to deny the Jewish origins of the Bible. So what is a nutjob to do when he wants to go to the Bible for his authority, but then doesn’t want to be Jewish, or actually hates Jews?

He takes the Bible for his own by turning it into his own myth and then claims his corrections are the “real message, that got perverted by those original Jews.”

This is also, ultimately why there is a mosque on the Temple Mount.

Heaven forfend you point out how much the Jews brought back from Babylon.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:16:13pm

re: #50 Mad Prophet Ludwig

An answer in all seriousness:

Because they come from a mindset of divine authority that always claims to know. Their arrogance and insecurity can not handle a world that does not fall into simple explanations and appeals to authority. I’m not saying this to be mean per se. I mean very seriously that there is a mindset that simply can’t handle being out of a certain well defined and highly structured comfort zone. To say “I don’t know” is seen as a weakness rather than a strength.

Ultimately that structured comfort zone comes from insecurity. They could not imagine saying “I don’t know, but I’ll figure it out” because they project themselves on others. They can’t imagine figuring it out, so of course no one else will eventually either…

Basic lack of education. Science is about how we came about, religion is about why. For some reason they cannot or will not make this distinction.

68 iossarian  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:16:38pm

re: #52 Kragar

Armed School Guard Leaves Gun In Student Bathroom

Everyone’s safer when there are lots and lots of guns around and everyone has one at all times. It’s the most obvious thing in the world.

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:17:06pm

Video appears to show Hezbollah and Iraqi Shiites fighting in Syria

The video’s production and open dissemination highlights how fighters outside Syria are jumping into the fray – and growing less shy about hiding it.

Hezbollah’s leadership has played down persistent reports that its fighters are helping defend the beleaguered regime of President Bashar al-Assad. But the video, which was clearly made with the consent of the combatants, appears to reflect the growing conviction within Shiite circles in Lebanon that the war in Syria is no longer one between an embattled autocratic regime and a grassroots opposition but a sectarian confrontation against the emerging and increasingly influential Salafi Jihadist groups that view Shiites as heretics and Hezbollah as an enemy.

70 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:17:58pm

The author of the West Point article?

Author: Arie Perliger - Sounds JEWISH!!!111 omg, it’s A CONSP1RACY!!11

71 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:18:04pm

re: #36 Ian G.

Wait, I thought American was caught in the tentacles of a crazed Kenyan Muslim Atheist Marxist Nazi?

Needless to say, I don’t wade through the filth that is the white supremacist internet very often, but I wonder if there are any conspiracies about Obama being Jewish?

He’s Black and Irish—close enough. (And he’s proud.)

72 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:18:15pm

re: #65 rwdflynavy

While railing at the masses from the balcony.

While I was in the Marines, I did have a penchant for supervising field days and delivering information from the second deck to guys cleaning up the ground floor common areas.

Its all clear to me now.

73 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:19:00pm

re: #70 rwdflynavy

The author of the West Point article?

Author: Arie Perliger - Sounds JEWISH!!!111 omg, it’s A CONSP1RACY!!11

I noticed that!

74 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:19:48pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

I noticed that!

It’s TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!11
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75 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:20:03pm

Drive-by OT while I eat lunch, but Joe Biden just won the internets. The Fake Biden over at The Onion was doing an AMA on Reddit, and this happened:

76 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:20:09pm

re: #74 rwdflynavy

It’s TURTLES ALL THE WAY DOWN!11
//

What about the 4 elephants?

77 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:20:43pm

Jesus WAS a Jew.

I wonder how they explain that.

I really don’t want to read further to see if they include it in the report.

78 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:20:51pm

re: #76 Kragar

What about the 4 elephants?

No, it’s turtles.

79 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:22:01pm

re: #76 Kragar

What about the 4 elephants?

The elephants are on the turtles… what did you fail basic physics?

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80 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:22:08pm

Wasn’t there some nastiness against Kerryre: #71 Decatur Deb

He’s Black and Irish—close enough. (And he’s proud.)

When I was at an Irish pub in DC on St. Patrick’s Day this past year, there was a photo of Obama with a distant Irish cousin of his. A man who favors Shariah wouldn’t be a Guinness fan I can tell ya that much.

81 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:22:47pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

Jesus WAS a Jew.

I wonder how they explain that.

I really don’t want to read further to see if they include it in the report.

They try to claim he was more Aryan. It’s not in that report but that’s been the rationale for a while.

82 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:23:07pm

re: #78 FemNaziBitch

No, it’s turtles.

There is definitely a 4 to 1 Elephant to Turtle ratio:

Image: tumblr_mcd8cvabfW1rio3ybo1_1280.jpg

83 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:23:58pm

re: #67 Sol Berdinowitz

Basic lack of education. Science is about how we came about, religion is about why. For some reason they cannot or will not make this distinction.

In all seriousness, the how questions are outside of their comfort zone. They don’t care how. They want a why that assuages their fears.

84 JeffFX  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:24:02pm

re: #67 Sol Berdinowitz

Basic lack of education. Science is about how we came about, religion is about why. For some reason they cannot or will not make this distinction.

That’s not really true. Science is about getting around our own limitations and biases in understanding the world.

Religion is a means of social control that uses fairy stories to manipulate the gullible, and absolutely depends on people not thinking clearly. Religion doesn’t tell us why anything is, it just pretends to do so. You need to turn to science for actual answers based in reality.

85 The Force Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:24:21pm

re: #62 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #77 FemNaziBitch


There’s not one answer, but many Christian Identity Churches assert that the people now called Jews are not descendants of the “orignal” OT Jews. Like, the entire religion of Judaism was stolen at some point.

The followup is that Aryan Jesus was sent by God to take back the religion. Thus CI followers are the Real Jews.

Sadly, it’s not a far cry from a similar line of logic present in wingnutty Christianity that isn’t as explicitly built on racial theories.

86 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:24:49pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

Jesus WAS a Jew.

I wonder how they explain that.

I really don’t want to read further to see if they include it in the report.

Its all summed up here:

Image: 100702-christianity.png

87 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:24:54pm

re: #83 Mad Prophet Ludwig

In all seriousness, the how questions are outside of their comfort zone. They don’t care how. They want a why that assuages their fears.

SCIENCE AND MATH IS HARDZ

88 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:25:12pm

re: #55 engineer cat

And horseradish.

89 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:25:38pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Wasn’t there some nastiness against Kerry

When I was at an Irish pub in DC on St. Patrick’s Day this past year, there was a photo of Obama with a distant Irish cousin of his. A man who favors Shariah wouldn’t be a Guinness fan I can tell ya that much.

Some Black and an Irish—from Daughter 1’s blog:

[Link: lorcadamon.com…]

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:26:18pm

re: #65 rwdflynavy

While railing at the masses from the balcony.

In Brighton. Oh wait, that’s Mr HILTER.
;)

91 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:27:09pm

re: #84 JeffFX

That’s not really true. Science is about getting around our own limitations and biases in understanding the world.

Religion is a means of social control that uses fairy stories to manipulate the gullible, and absolutely depends on people not thinking clearly. Religion doesn’t tell us why anything is, it just pretends to do so. You need to turn to science for actual answers based in reality.

There seem to be those that need the fairy stories and those (like me) who seek answers to the unanswered (metaphysical) or, as yet, unanswerable.

There also seem to be no shortage of opportunists to satisfy both needs. They take Mastercard, Visa, American Express and Paypal

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:27:20pm

re: #84 JeffFX

That’s not really true. Science is about getting around our own limitations and biases in understanding the world.

Religion is a means of social control that uses fairy stories to manipulate the gullible, and absolutely depends on people not thinking clearly. Religion doesn’t tell us why anything is, it just pretends to do so. You need to turn to science for actual answers based in reality.

Let me reprhrase that, then…science pursues the question of how we came about, it is incapable of approaching the question of why, that lies beyond the scope of objective observation.

Religion interests itself in the question of why we came about, but its subjective, doctrinal approach disqualifies it from discovering how.

93 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:28:54pm

Afternoon Lizardim from the brilliantly sunny and warm wild north country. We’re due for a hard freeze this weekend, and I do mean HARD - highs on Monday are projected to stay below 0, with nights cruising into the -20 realm or below. How go things in the war on derp?

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:28:59pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

There’s not one answer, but many Christian Identity Churches assert that the people now called Jews are not descendants of the “orignal” OT Jews. Like, the entire religion of Judaism was stolen at some point.

The followup is that Aryan Jesus was sent by God to take back the religion. Thus CI followers are the Real Jews.

Sadly, it’s not a far cry from a similar line of logic present in wingnutty Christianity that isn’t as explicitly built on racial theories.

So their theory is some sort of religious “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” took place?
O_o

95 Petero1818  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:29:08pm

I wonder how these folks feel about it.

[Link: jpfo.org…]

96 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:29:38pm

re: #59 Destro

When I was on Freerepublic for the last time in any meaningful way the derps were all up in arms against the notion of Kerry being nuanced. They viewed being nuanced as the biggest evil out there. They wanted their world black and white and shades were suspect. I never forgot that.

Well said. There are those who take a lot of comfort in being told.

Is it really surprising that such folks form a large portion (if not the overwhelming majority) of the right’s base?

97 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:30:26pm

re: #94 Feline Fearless Leader

So their theory is some sort of religious “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” took place?
O_o

I don’t think they think on that many levels.

Kinda of like 7 year olds.

98 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:32:10pm

re: #96 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Well said. There are those who take a lot of comfort in being told.

Is it really surprising that such folks form a large portion (if not the overwhelming majority) of the right’s base?

On some levels, I can understand. Especially as I get older in this ever changing world. It’s SOOOOO much easier.

I guess, I’m just greatful I was raised the way I was, and had the parents and education I had. I learned to use my brain, whether I choose to all the time or not.

I think a lot of people never learned to use their brain, truly use it.

99 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:32:44pm

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

On some levels, I can understand. Especially as I get older in this ever changing world. It’s SOOOOO much easier.

I guess, I’m just greatful I was raised the way I was, and had the parents and education I had. I learned to use my brain, whether I choose to all the time or not.

I think a lot of people never learned to use their brain, truly use it.

And thus are born wingnuts, moonbats, and conspiracy theorists.

100 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:33:07pm

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

On some levels, I can understand. Especially as I get older in this ever changing world. It’s SOOOOO much easier.

I guess, I’m just greatful I was raised the way I was, and had the parents and education I had. I learned to use my brain, whether I choose to all the time or not.

I think a lot of people never learned to use their brain, truly use it.

Or they don’t like to use it. I’ve worked with a pile of people who simply turn it off come 5pm.

101 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:34:31pm

re: #100 Feline Fearless Leader

Or they don’t like to use it. I’ve worked with a pile of people who simply turn it off come 5pm.

I’ve been that route too. Couldn’t get to the bar fast enough.

Comes from having a job for which one is not suited.

102 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:37:39pm

Why bother thinking when you can have great Americans like David Barton and Bryan Fischer do it for you?

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:40:08pm

Some Neighbor’s grill cover is blowing around outside my back door, well it was, it’s gone now.

Princess Dog did not like it one bit and growled and barked at it.

Old Man Dog hung back and keenly observed it.

Brat Puppy (fearless hunting dog) left the room and peered sheepishly from the doorway. This is the same dog that is afraid of thunder to the point of burrowing under the couch and shivering, but can be shot over if their are birds involved.

104 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:42:02pm

re: #102 Kragar

Why bother thinking when you can have great Americans like David Barton and Bryan Fischer do it for you?

Objection: neither Barton nor Fischer thinks.

105 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:42:19pm

House Science Chair’s First Action Is To Hold A Climate Change Denier Hearing

Coming off of the hottest year in U.S. history and 333 months of higher-than-average global temperatures, Rep. Lamar Smith’s (R-TX) first move as the new chair of the House Science and Technology Committee includes a hearing on climate science, according to Dallas News.

For Smith, who criticized “the idea of human-made global warming,” the hearing will be an opportunity to give a platform to the committee’s climate zombies:

I believe climate change is due to a combination of factors, including natural cycles, sun spots, and human activity. But scientists still don’t know for certain how much each of these factors contributes to the overall climate change that the Earth is experiencing. It is the role of the Science Committee to create a forum for discussion so Congress and the American people can hear from experts and draw reasoned conclusions. During this process, we should focus on the facts rather than on a partisan agenda.

106 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:45:20pm

re: #105 Kragar

107 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:46:24pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

Jesus WAS a Jew.

I wonder how they explain that.

I really don’t want to read further to see if they include it in the report.

What a terrible thing to say!!11 Jesus was an Albino of Norwegian descent.
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108 rwdflynavy  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:46:37pm

Laterz Honcos!

109 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:48:37pm

Really, I think it’s like they pull ideas out of a hat and that becomes doctrine for the various groups. One get’s homosexuality, one get’s inter-racial marriage, EVERYone gets abortion:


from page 139 of the PDF

421 One of the more interesting groups to emerge from within the Christian identity movement was Phineas Priesthood; while information regarding the nature of the group is limited, the best description is of a generally leaderless social framework based mainly around Spokane, Idaho. The group promulgates
the notion that murdering people who disobey God’s laws by performing abortions, consorting romantically with someone from different race, or being a homosexual, is justified. They rely on the biblical story of Phineas to invoke God’s blessing for their violent actions. While in our dataset we were able to identify two attacks which were perpetrated or planned by members of the movement, other accounts argue that the group was involved in additional attacks on mixed-race couples and abortion facilities. Probably one of the reasons for confusion regarding the level of operation of the groups is that
membership in the group is not exclusive; thus, members of The Priesthood were also apparently involved in the violent campaign of The Order as well as other Christian Identity and anti-abortionist groups. This is mainly because the process of joining the group requires only the decision to engage in Priesthood
activities.

There is also a chart of crimes on p 142.

110 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:49:23pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

There’s not one answer, but many Christian Identity Churches assert that the people now called Jews are not descendants of the “orignal” OT Jews. Like, the entire religion of Judaism was stolen at some point.

The followup is that Aryan Jesus was sent by God to take back the religion. Thus CI followers are the Real Jews.

Sadly, it’s not a far cry from a similar line of logic present in wingnutty Christianity that isn’t as explicitly built on racial theories.

But that fits in exactly with what I am saying.

Seriously… and I am not trying to flame anyone… seriously, suppose someone is a secure, Christian or Muslim who comes from a mindset of spiritual exploration. He or she went and looked and these religions are what they found and what resonated the most as the truth. Judaism is no threat to such a person. How could it be? There was whatever message and transmission and such a person believes that the message didn’t stop with Moses and the biblical prophets. Jews may disagree, but so what? Such a person knows what they believe from the inside after long searching.

Good hearted people on different sides of that issue can still respect each other. Who is a believing Jew or a Christian or a Muslim to say that his or her spiritual searches were searched and struggled with more meaningfully than someone else’s?

But suppose a Christian or a Muslim isn’t so secure and comes from a mindset of authority. There is no escaping the original authorship of the Bible. There is no escaping that Moses was a Jew. There is no mistaking that both Christians and Muslims derive their authority from claims based on fulfilling Jewish prophecy. There is no mistaking where the authority comes from originally.

There is also no escaping that Jews don’t think that those prophecies were fulfilled.

This is very painful for such people. If the authority comes from the text, and the people who own that text say they don’t think so, it dissolves that authority.

Why is it that Pat Robertson types go out of their way to point out Jewish converts more than say Buddhist or Hindu converts? Because a Jew who becomes Christian is like saying “see we were right! even the Jews agree with us!”

Why is it that “the Jews accept Jesus” at the end times is such a big deal?

OK it’s obvious. But what if they are really insecure?

Imagine the same sorts of guys who hate a pretty girl for being pretty. They hate not that she is beautiful, they hate that she is beautiful and won’t sleep with them. They hate that they are not in control.

OK these guys hate that the Jews don’t say - by the way your theology is correct.

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:52:33pm

re: #110 Mad Prophet Ludwig

The Bible has no consistent logical structure, it is possible to impose all sorts of ideological and personal points of view on it and find some phrase which can be read or interpreted as justifying it.

That is one of the reasons our Founding Fathers insisted on a Constitution and clause forbidding the establishemnt of any religion.

112 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:53:00pm

Days like this and reading about things like this (ie the Christian Identity movement) make me glad I am a wiccan/Pagan.

113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:54:19pm
114 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:56:11pm

Hey Florida, having fun with that immigrant python population?

How about we put some grizzly bears in them thar swamps to keep ‘em company?

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com…]

115 JeffFX  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:56:59pm

re: #104 erik_t

Objection: neither Barton nor Fischer thinks.

They think. They just have shaky ethics, and have no problem fleecing religious people.

These guys wouldn’t say the things they do if they thought a god was actually going to hold them accountable.

It’s just a scam to them, a way to enrich themselves.

116 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:57:30pm

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

The Bible has no logical sturcture, it is possible to impose all sorts of ideological and personal points of view on it and find some phrase which can be read or interpreted as justifying it.

That is one of the reasons our Founding Fathers insisted on a Constitution and clause forbidding the establishemnt of any religion.

The Bible most certainly does have a logical structure. All those tracates of the Talmud will go into it in very deep detail. But that is not the real point.

Not everyone has to believe that structure or the even bible itself - and others will impose their own structures

That is the point.

If you start imposing state religions, those that don’t see it the way the state does, might want to start a religious war.

That is the other point.

117 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:58:11pm

re: #113 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Awesome tweet, perhaps best of All Time

Sorry, but this remains the best tweet ever.

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #112 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Days like this and reading about things like this (ie the Christian Identity movement) make me glad I am a wiccan/Pagan.

It took me a long time to meet Christians who do not reject reason in order to practice their faith. I do not know if people like that are in the minority within their religion, it could have to do with the fact that they do not missionize and thump Bibles in your face.

I must admit that being raised Catholic and then being exposed to Campus Crusade for Christ proselytizers really put me off the faith at all.

119 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 12:59:33pm

re: #117 Kragar

Sorry, but this remains the best tweet ever.

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I agree. But I can’t believe how many followers that guy has. I guess they’re waiting for him to screw up.

120 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:00:05pm

re: #116 Mad Prophet Ludwig

The Bible most certainly does have a logical structure. All those tracates of the Talmud will go into it in very deep detail. But that is not the real point.

Not everyone has to believe that structure or the even bible itself.

That is the point.

If you start imposing state religions, those that don’t see it the way the state does, might want to start a religious war.

That is the other point.

It has some logical structure within itself, but start just trying to resolve questions of how Noah got all those animals into the ark and you have a real mess on your hands

121 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:00:18pm

re: #117 Kragar

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:01:31pm

re: #121 The Mountain That Blogs

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now that is a logical structure. not deep, but consistent

123 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:01:40pm
124 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:02:35pm

re: #104 erik_t

Objection: neither Barton nor Fischer thinks.

Oh, they think, and laugh all the way to the bank (in the Caymens or Switzerland).

125 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:03:16pm

re: #122 Sol Berdinowitz

It also comes with extensions for the middle section.

[Link: twitter.com…]

126 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:05:49pm

re: #116 Mad Prophet Ludwig

The Bible most certainly does have a logical structure. All those tracates of the Talmud will go into it in very deep detail. But that is not the real point.

Not everyone has to believe that structure or the even bible itself - and others will impose their own structures

That is the point.

If you start imposing state religions, those that don’t see it the way the state does, might want to start a religious war.

That is the other point.

Now, here we go with the semantics again. What Christians think of as the Bible isn’t the same as what Jew’s think of as the Bible.

As I understand it. There is the Pentateuch & the Talmud, which for Christian’s is the 1st Testament. and then they include the 2nd Testament.

Then there are the various versions. I have a feeling that the Catholic version is considered the work of Satan by some Christians. They would not consider it THE Bible.

127 dragonath  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:05:51pm

“Whiteout Press” is using the same kind of rhetoric used in this anti-Jewish poster from the 30s, right down to the “Hollywood” angle:

Image: nazi-poster-121207.jpg

128 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:11:20pm

Dems to GOP: Thanks, but the debt ceiling is still your problem

Not surprisingly, Democrats are greeting the House GOP’s plan for a three month debt ceiling hike as an admission that the debt limit strategy has been a total failure for Republicans, and that the threat of default gives the party no leverage. And they are responding by putting still more pressure on Republicans.

129 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:11:59pm

re: #120 Sol Berdinowitz

It has some logical structure within itself, but start just trying to resolve questions of how Noah got all those animals into the ark and you have a real mess on your hands

With respect, we are talking at cross purposes. Whether or not the Bible is always consistent with science is a whole other issue than whether or not the bible has an internal structure of its own.

Obviously, you need to look for the metaphors with the Noah story and not want to take it literally if you want to be consistent with science. But that really is another issue.

If you want some scientifically consistent truths with that story, note the following:

The flood was caused because the sins of man had literally corrupted the Earth. Take a look at climate, and the greedy politics that prevents action, but promotes evil oil dictators, creates endless wars and oppression to obtain the resource and fuels an economy where basic goods are created by workers in dismal conditions including even child or even slave labor.

Do you care to honestly say that the response of the climate to all the fossil fuel burning isn’t related to our sins?

130 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:12:27pm

re: #128 jaunte

Dems to GOP: Thanks, but the debt ceiling is still your problem

I’m quite enjoying this new Democratic party. :)

131 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:12:59pm

Never mind. Stupid link isn’t working.

132 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:13:17pm

re: #128 jaunte

Dems to GOP: Thanks, but the debt ceiling is still your problem

Good.

POTUS made it clear he wasn’t interested in this piecemeal bullshit which allowed the GOP to posture and grandstand.

If they’re so concerned about the debt, let them come up with a budget that has all the cuts they want, and let them bring it to the floor for a vote.

133 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:14:04pm

re: #128 jaunte

Dems to GOP: Thanks, but the debt ceiling is still your problem

We’ll, um, blink this time. BUT NEXT TIME WILL BE DIFFERENT, YOU’LL SEE.

The parties changed spines in the late 2000s, but nobody noticed.

134 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:14:22pm

re: #130 allegro

I’m quite enjoying this new Democratic party. :)

Obamacare paid for a spinal transplant, apparently.

I hope they keep it going. If the GOP are going to insist on being obstructionist assholes, let them do the heavy lifting on the budget. They’re in the majority anyway. =P

135 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:15:23pm

re: #134 Lidane

Obamacare paid for a spinal transplant, apparently.

I hope they keep it going. If the GOP are going to insist on being obstructionist assholes, let them do the heavy lifting on the budget. They’re in the majority anyway. =P

I want a spinal transplant. Well, really just the soft tissue involved, not the whole spine.

136 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:16:24pm

There is an invention that would rock my world and make it a much better place to live: a muffler for fucking leaf blowers.

That is all.

137 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:16:39pm

re: #135 FemNaziBitch

I want a spinal transplant. Well, really just the soft tissue involved, not the whole spine.

I could defintely use a deep tissue massage. My back is killing me today. :(

138 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:17:20pm

re: #126 FemNaziBitch

Now, here we go with the semantics again. What Christians think of as the Bible isn’t the same as what Jew’s think of as the Bible.

As I understand it. There is the Pentateuch & the Talmud, which for Christian’s is the 1st Testament. and then they include the 2nd Testament.

Then there are the various versions. I have a feeling that the Catholic version is considered the work of Satan by some Christians. They would not consider it THE Bible.

I am actually not being semantic.

The Bible for Jews is the Tanakh. That is an acronym for Torah, Nevi’im (prophets) and Kethubim (writings). While some lesser known books are in and others out depending on which Christians you are talking about, the Tanakh is pretty much everything that you would think of as the Old Testament.

More to the point, the New Testament directly derives its authority from the Old. As one of many examples, the messiah is prohesized to come from the line of David. Two gospels open by claiming Jesus’ ancestry from that line. Not to mention that the whole notion of messiah comes from the OT in the first place.

139 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:17:48pm

re: #136 allegro

There is an invention that would rock my world and make it a much better place to live: a muffler for fucking leaf blowers.

That is all.

May I suggest Winter?

No leaf-blowers here. You’d have to move the snow first.

140 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:20:13pm

re: #133 erik_t

The GOP position: This time will be different than the last debt ceiling mess, and the next time will , in 3 months time, be different. Oh, and we are holding the debt ceiling hostage unless we get our way, but we admit that doing so and landing the nation in default would be catastrophically bad, even as we’re going to threaten this again so as to extract spending cuts that would gut social safety net programs.

Democrats: No. It wont.*

*At least that’s what they’re signaling. And I hope that they stick to this no negotiation posture since appropriations were already agreed upon by Congress. Now pay the damn bill.

141 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:20:26pm

re: #139 erik_t

May I suggest Winter?

No leaf-blowers here. You’d have to move the snow first.

If winter ever actually came.

Seems the landscaping guys just love to use the leaf blowers. They find any excuse.

142 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:20:34pm

re: #136 allegro

There is an invention that would rock my world and make it a much better place to live: a muffler for fucking leaf blowers.

That is all.

There is. It’s called a rake.

143 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:20:52pm

re: #41 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #33 rwdflynavy

Remember,

I am a Zionist Overlord of Remulak! Zionism is an intergalactic ideal.

Soon… we will come out of the shadows and force you puny earthlings to feel the might of our authority!!!

Yes we will impose Jewish Biblical ideals on all of you… things that demand a worker get fair pay! Oh yes! The notion that all good people go to heaven…. That too! We will demand that you care for the poor and the sick and widows and orphans just because they are other humans. Our fiendish goals will include educating the masses and even women!

And you will eat kreplach and you will LIKE kreplach!

I love kreplach!

144 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:21:12pm

re: #142 Kragar

There is. It’s called a rake.

Pee-Pee can haz rake.

145 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:21:42pm

re: #139 erik_t

May I suggest Winter?

No leaf-blowers here. You’d have to move the snow first.

It is winter. On the Gulf Coast of Texas.

146 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:21:59pm

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

I love kreplach!

Me too and yum!

147 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:22:33pm

re: #136 allegro

There is an invention that would rock my world and make it a much better place to live: a muffler for fucking leaf blowers.

What a coincidence. Every time I hear a leaf-blower, I find myself experiencing homicidal urges toward its wielder :P Why can’t we just ban the disgusting gas-burning abominations and either sweep/rake the leaves, or (depending where they are to begin with) let them be so they can decompose and provide natural nourishment for the soil?

148 Petero1818  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:23:13pm

re: #146 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Me too and yum!

Never met a dumpling I didn’t enjoy.

149 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:24:30pm

re: #145 allegro

It is winter. On the Gulf Coast of Texas.

Where “Fall” finishes up by the end of February.

150 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:24:36pm

re: #131 A Mom Anon

Need to fix your link. There is an extra http in it.

151 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:24:43pm

re: #55 engineer cat

kreplach soup can be very tasty

chopped liver, even, is usually very tasty

gefilte fish?

that requires real commitment!

Zedushka makes gefilte fish and it is delicious!

That nasty stuff in a jar, with the (ewww) jelly? Nobody likes that. Well, my mother in law did, but she passed away. Now they make gefilte fish in frozen rolls, you bake them in the oven with onions, carrots and celery and mmmwah! Tzu lecken fi finger! Toizent tam!

152 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:27:14pm

re: #141 FemNaziBitch

If winter ever actually came.

Seems the landscaping guys just love to use the leaf blowers. They find any excuse.

It isn’t just the landscaping guys. I have neighbors who so LOVE their leaf-blowers (that they are all male may or may not be a factor) that they seem to listen for a leaf to drop so they can run out and fire the fuckers up. The noise those machines make is ghastly and annoying as hell.

153 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:28:22pm

Last Dow closing of the 1st Obama term. Unless I’m reading a chart wrong, the last time it closed higher was Oct 2007.

154 Petero1818  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:28:30pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

kreplach soup can be very tasty

chopped liver, even, is usually very tasty

gefilte fish?

that requires real commitment!

Zedushka makes gefilte fish and it is delicious!

That nasty stuff in a jar, with the (ewww) jelly? Nobody likes that. Well, my mother in law did, but she passed away. Now they make gefilte fish in frozen rolls, you bake them in the oven with onions, carrots and celery and mmmwah! Tzu lecken fi finger! Toizent tam!

You know I have yet to taste a non home made Gefilte fish that was acceptable. I have not tried the frozen roll variety you speak of though. I love good gefilte fish, sweet or salty. I am good with both, as long as they well made.

155 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:28:43pm

re: #147 Interesting Times

What a coincidence. Every time I hear a leaf-blower, I find myself experiencing homicidal urges toward its wielder :P Why can’t we just ban the disgusting gas-burning abominations and either sweep/rake the leaves, or (depending where they are to begin with) let them be so they can decompose and provide natural nourishment for the soil?

It is, in part, a water quality issue.

156 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:29:35pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

13,649.70
Today’s Change: +53.68 / +0.39%
[Link: money.cnn.com…]

157 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:29:54pm

re: #126 FemNaziBitch

Now, here we go with the semantics again. What Christians think of as the Bible isn’t the same as what Jew’s think of as the Bible.

As I understand it. There is the Pentateuch & the Talmud, which for Christian’s is the 1st Testament. and then they include the 2nd Testament.

Then there are the various versions. I have a feeling that the Catholic version is considered the work of Satan by some Christians. They would not consider it THE Bible.

The Pentateuch is the first 5 books of the Bible (also called “Five Books of Moses”). After that comes the books of the Prophets, then the Writings.

The Talmud is not part of the scriptural canon, it contains discussions of laws based on the scriptures.

158 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:30:36pm
159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:31:11pm

re: #148 Petero1818

Never met a dumpling I didn’t enjoy.

Now I am hungry…

People who didn’t start out as religious Jews but became observant, all have their tales of things they miss now that they are kosher.

For many it is cheeseburgers or bacon or even bacon cheeseburgers.

For me it is potstickers and Shumai and Kanom Jeeb.

Though, with beef and lamb (and beef, duck and lamb bacon) it is possible to make some seriously yummy kosher variations on the above.

160 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:31:31pm

re: #153 Decatur Deb

S&P and DJIA both closed at 5 year highs today. The Dow’s gain was fueled by GE beating earnings, but that gain was tempered by poor showing by Intel.

Yeah, that Obama is a real socialist. /

161 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:31:54pm

I hate working with idiots.

I get up with them first thing this morning, spend 20 minutes going over the steps, telling them to start a report process. The first stage takes about 10 minutes, the second and third part takes 4-5 hours each, so start step 2 as soon as you can so you can so you can start part 3 before you leave and just wrap it up Tuesday. The stages don’t need to be monitored, so you can start the process and come back to it later, doing whatever other work you need to do during the day.

4 hours later, the guy calls to let me know he’s just getting started with part 1.

Fucking moron.

162 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:32:31pm

re: #147 Interesting Times

What a coincidence. Every time I hear a leaf-blower, I find myself experiencing homicidal urges toward its wielder :P Why can’t we just ban the disgusting gas-burning abominations and either sweep/rake the leaves, or (depending where they are to begin with) let them be so they can decompose and provide natural nourishment for the soil?

As much as I despise the noise and agree with the pollution issue, I have to feel some empathy for the landscape guys here at the park. Cleaning up the mowed grass, leaves, acorns, etc. is a massive job that would be never ending if all they had was rakes and brooms. I appreciate that they clean off my patio, clear the drives, and sidewalks as beautifully as they do. The blasted noise just makes me craaaaaaazyyyyyy!!

163 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:33:16pm

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

re: #154 Petero1818

I understand that some of our people continue the cycle of abuse even to the extent of making gefilte fish in their own homes… It is a terrible cycle and I know you have convinced yourself that you like it… but think of the children!!!

////

I know that many of the Tribe love the stuff. I am not one of them. We can still be friends.

164 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:34:11pm

re: #155 erik_t

It is, in part, a water quality issue.

From that link:

Compost leaves in your yard if possible. A mulching mower can handle light leaf cover, placing it right back into your lawn. Or, a compost pile can be used to create new soil for your garden. Save money on the bags of fertilizer you won’t need to buy!

The mulching mower probably doesn’t sound that great either, but at least it doesn’t blow the leaves all the fuck over the place (which may make them more likely to wind up in storm drains, depending on how bad the leaf-blower-wielder’s aim is)

(to tie this all together, I wonder if leaf-blower nuts and gun nuts are one and the same? “Yee-haw, loud metallic phallic device!”)

165 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:34:40pm

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

The Pentateuch is the first 5 books of the Bible (also called “Five Books of Moses”). After that comes the books of the Prophets, then the Writings.

The Talmud is not part of the scriptural canon, it contains discussions of laws based on the scriptures.

Of course that is true, but I think we need to be careful in how it is phrased because the oral law carries the same weight as the written law.

166 Interesting Times  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:36:43pm

re: #162 allegro

As much as I despise the noise and agree with the pollution issue, I have to feel some empathy for the landscape guys here at the park. Cleaning up the mowed grass, leaves, acorns, etc. is a massive job that would be never ending if all they had was rakes and brooms. I appreciate that they clean off my patio, clear the drives, and sidewalks as beautifully as they do. The blasted noise just makes me craaaaaaazyyyyyy!!

The ultimate solution is landscaping that works with nature rather than against it, but that’s about as likely as sensible policy from the GOP House :(

167 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:39:24pm

re: #163 Mad Prophet Ludwig

re: #154 Petero1818

I understand that some of our people continue the cycle of abuse even to the extent of making gefilte fish in their own homes… It is a terrible cycle and I know you have convinced yourself that you like it… but think of the children!!!

////

I know that many of the Tribe love the stuff. I am not one of them. We can still be friends.

OH NOES! I FORGOT TO MAKE THE BROILED RAINBOW TROUT FOR SHABBOS!

I just put it in the oven. Now I’ll take a shower.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:39:58pm

re: #164 Interesting Times

From that link:

The mulching mower probably doesn’t sound that great either, but at least it doesn’t blow the leaves all the fuck over the place (which may make them more likely to wind up in storm drains, depending on how lousy the leaf-blower-wielder’s aim is)

(to tie this all together, I wonder if leaf-blower nuts and gun nuts are one and the same? “Yee-haw, loud metallic phallic device!”)

Shh. Or someone will come up with an explosives based leaf moving/removing device.

169 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:41:02pm

re: #164 Interesting Times

(to tie this all together, I wonder if leaf-blower nuts and gun nuts are one and the same? “Yee-haw, loud metallic phallic device!”)

Can we turn the leafblower’s into Rock-It Launchers?

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:41:12pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

The ultimate solution is landscaping that works with nature rather than against it, but that’s about as likely as sensible policy from the GOP House :(

Cue Wisconsin Ice Sheet. Tree and soil removal for low, low, prices!
(Just takes a few centuries to complete the job.)
;)

171 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:44:03pm

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

Shh. Or someone will come up with an explosives based leaf moving/removing device.

FAE

172 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:45:51pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

FAE

[Embedded content]

It’s already nitrates! Fertilizes as it mulches!

173 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:48:08pm
174 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:01:26pm

Must sign off. See u all Saturday nite!

175 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:02:55pm

re: #174 Vicious Babushka

Must sign off. See u all Saturday nite!

Good Shabbos, and I must sign off as well.

176 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:43:43pm

re: #110 Mad Prophet Ludwig

I am not familiar with Islamic tradition, but I know enough European/Christian history to confirm that Christian rage against the Jews for not accepting Christianity was a potent force for centuries, and certainly cannot be regarded as having been completely stamped out by recent changes for the better (e.g., Vatican II).

The virulent anti-semitism of many of the Church Fathers has to be seen to be believed.

177 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:51:00pm

re: #128 jaunte

Dems to GOP: Thanks, but the debt ceiling is still your problem

Who are they and what have they done with the Democratic Party? I am liking this.

178 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:37:19pm

re: #57 Kragar

My family tree is German and Italian, my wife is Japanese.

I figure my kids will end up annexing the Sudetanland and Manchuria at some point.

It also shows the right wing’s racist underpinnings that genes = political destiny or some such.


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