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More ‘Gun Appreciation Day’ Sponsors: Birthers and Anti-Immigrant Militias

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The more we look into the groups sponsoring “Gun Appreciation Day,” the more kooks and disturbing connections we find. LGF contributor Freetoken points out another sponsor with an unassuming name: the “Eidsness Community of Safety,” an Arizona survivalist-militia group.

Their Facebook page links to a “sister group,” American Civil Sentinels, where they’re heavy into Birtherism.

One of the guys behind this is a crackpot preacher named Dean C. Trivandian of the “Christian Party of America,” who runs a Yahoo group called God’s Vigilant Minutemen:

We are an autonomous, faith-based, grassroots, transpartisan, volunteer cooperative that exists to defend, inform, mobilize, and serve all God-fearing and patriotic Americans in matters regarding atheistic secularism, cosmic humanism, cultural Marxism, economic globalism, illegal immigration, jihadic Islamofascism, liberal socialism, moral relativism, Orwellian statism, and other encroachments of NWO/OWO tyranny.

I know, we’re getting pretty deep into the weeds here, but this is by no means an unusual set of connections; every time you start tracing one of these extreme right wing gun-obsessed groups you find these loons, preaching the imminent end of civilization and teaching members to stockpile their own private arsenals. Hundreds of heavily armed budding Branch Davidians yearning for civil war and violent revolution.

That’s who’s behind “Gun Appreciation Day:” Birthers, antisemites, religious fanatics, white supremacists, militias, neo-Nazis … and CNN contributor Erick Erickson’s Red State.

Related:
‘Gun Appreciation Day’ Sponsored by White Supremacists
More White Supremacists Sponsoring ‘Gun Appreciation Day’

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224 comments

1 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:47:30pm

I”m afraid there are going to be a few like Crazy Pam who figure the enemy of their enemy is their friend and throw their lot in with the haters over the gunzissues.

Whackos™ are going to be coming out of the woodwork, up thru the cracks in the sidewalk and oozing out of the sewers.

2 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:48:55pm
Hundreds of budding Branch Davidians yearning for civil war and violent revolution.

Not to mention Waco and Ruby Ridge.

I think that’s what’s freaking me out right now. These people are spoiling for a gunfight, and are drunk on a lethal mix of high power weapons, testosterone, religion, and a grasp of the Constitution that is beyond childish.

NJ has its problems, but when it comes to this kind of stuff, we’ve got it easy.

3 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:49:40pm

I anxiously await the forthcoming denouncement of this even and these groups by the relatively saner members of the Republican Party.

(crickets)

4 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:54:05pm
… transpartisan…

Yeah, bet they’ve got a lot of Democrats and Green Party members in their ranks.

//

5 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:54:43pm

I just remind myself that the younger generations in this country overwhelmingly reject this insanity, and thus are depriving these loons of the stormtroopers they would need for a violent revolution.

I’m not naive enough to think these loons are incapable of violence, but it’s hard to launch a guerrilla insurgency on the backs of a bunch of overweight 65-year-olds on lipitor.

6 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:54:44pm

Fischer: ‘It Was Evangelical Christians Like You and Me’ Who Ended Slavery

On today’s “Focal Point” broadcast, Bryan Fischer made a passing reference to the PBS series “The Abolitionists,” citing it as evidence that Christians did not support slavery and, in fact, it was conservative “evangelical Christians like you and me” that lead the fight to abolish it:

Horseshit.

7 erik_t  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 1:57:48pm

In other news, the lol-what-privacy backscatter x-ray systems loathed in all circles are no more.

8 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:00:01pm

re: #2 Mattand

I think that’s what’s freaking me out right now. These people are spoiling for a gunfight, and are drunk on a lethal mix of high power weapons, testosterone, religion, and a grasp of the Constitution that is beyond childish.

Related:

9 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:01:03pm

My shock, let me show you it:

10 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:01:11pm

OT:

Pauline Phillips, known affectionately to the nation by her pen name Abigail Van Buren, died Wednesday at age 94. Her columns never failed to hit the mark, with quips to spare. Here are her most clever pieces of advice.

Best of her best:

Dear Abby:

About four months ago, the house across the street was sold to a “father and son”—or so we thought.

We later learned it was an older man about 50 and a young fellow about 24.

This was a respectable neighborhood before this “odd couple” moved in. They have all sorts of strange-looking company. Men who look like women, women who look like men, blacks, whites, Indians. Yesterday I even saw two nuns go in there! They must be running some sort of business, or a club. There are motorcycles, expensive sports cars and even bicycles parked in front and on the lawn. They keep their shades drawn so you can’t see what’s going on inside but they must be up to no good, or why the secrecy?

We called the police department and they asked if we wanted to press charges! they said unless the neighbors were breaking some law there was nothing they could do.

Abby, these weirdos are wrecking our property values! How can we improve the quality of this once-respectable neighborhood?

Up in Arms

Dear UP: You could move.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:04:29pm

Have an awesome weekend all.

I must sign off.

And to the wingnuts who are screeching about guns… I take great comfort in the fact the my president is a big black man who is in command of an army with even bigger guns.

12 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:04:58pm
13 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:06:42pm

Well, apparently my phone inteview, which ended about an hour ago, went well. Just got a call from the internal recruiter and I’m booked for an in-person follow up the last week in January when the hiring manager’s in town.

Fuckin’ a.

14 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:09:24pm

re: #10 allegro

There are motorcycles, expensive sports cars and even bicycles parked in front and on the lawn.

Nefarious!

15 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:11:32pm

re: #13 darthstar

Well, apparently my phone inteview, which ended about an hour ago, went well. Just got a call from the internal recruiter and I’m booked for an in-person follow up the last week in January when the hiring manager’s in town.

Fuckin’ a.

Didn’t you very recently start a new job? Looking again?

16 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:12:40pm

I’m gonna go right on ahead and Godwin, and point out that their slogan “Our Oath Is Our Honor” is uncomfortably similar to “Meine Ehre heißt Treue” (“My Honor is Loyalty”), which you may recognize as the official slogan of the SS. But maybe it’s a stretch.

17 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:12:43pm

The WND derp of the day:

I dont trust vaccines PERIOD. Its all just a bunch of MORE LIES, just like psychotic drugs!

Do us all a favor. Catch something and go die in a cave.

18 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:13:48pm

re: #16 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

It’s a huge stretch. There’s tons of variations on honor and oath and loyalty in various military credos.

19 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:14:45pm

The Cat Overlord just sneezed.

Should I be worried?

20 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:15:30pm

re: #18 Obdicut

It’s a huge stretch. There’s tons of variations on honor and oath and loyalty in various military credos.

More oaths are needed to stress that my life, my love and my lady is the sea.

21 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:15:46pm

re: #19 FemNaziBitch

The Cat Overlord just sneezed.

Should I be worried?

YOU GONNA DIE!

22 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:17:06pm
23 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:17:39pm

Horrible, devastating news here. A good friend’s tiny 4 day old baby girl died suddenly this afternoon. She was a beautiful baby and seemed to be doing quite well for a month premature. I will do whatever I can for them, but I don’t think there is much I can do, which makes it that much worse. I probably won’t be around much for a few days.

24 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:17:40pm

re: #21 Kragar

YOU GONNA DIE!

But when? Can I brew another pot of fresh coffee?

25 dragonath  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:01pm
transpartisan

Why yes, I’ve got a donkey’s head and an elephant’s…

26 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:14pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Nothing sadder. Take care of yourself and yours.

27 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:34pm

re: #17 Kragar

Anti-vax people are morons. And they don’t understand science.

28 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:42pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Horrible, devastating news here. A good friend’s tiny 4 day old baby girl died suddenly this afternoon. She was a beautiful baby and seemed to be doing quite well for a month premature. I will do whatever I can for them, but I don’t think there is much I can do, which makes it that much worse. I probably won’t be around much for a few days.

Sorry to hear that.

29 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:49pm

Considering this man’s corruption and incompetence are in large part responsible for the deaths of over 1,300 in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, I approve the shit out of this:

Ray Nagin, the former Mayor of New Orleans, Louisiana, is indicted on 21 different counts including fraud, embezzlement, money laundering, bribery, and tax evasion.

30 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:50pm

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

Can We Talk Calmly About Obama’s ‘Executive Orders’?

good luck with that.

Well, sometimes we can. Especially here.

Applying scientific research to reducing violence. Treat violence like an epidemic? From Wired, just Paged.

31 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:18:55pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Horrible, devastating news here. A good friend’s tiny 4 day old baby girl died suddenly this afternoon. She was a beautiful baby and seemed to be doing quite well for a month premature. I will do whatever I can for them, but I don’t think there is much I can do, which makes it that much worse. I probably won’t be around much for a few days.

(((shiplord kirel and friends))))

):::::(:::::

(those are suppossed to be tears)

32 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:19:08pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

:-(((((

33 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:19:34pm

re: #22 FemNaziBitch

There’s every reason to think that there will be more of these serious executive-power issues in Obama’s second term. It’s possible that, for the next two years at least, Obama will have to try to govern without a functioning legislative branch. It’s a challenge, to say the least, and one that few presidents have faced. History suggests that the result will be increased executive power, simply because some things — including paying the debts of the United States — must be done no matter what.

If Obama isn’t a tyrant, we’re going to force him to become one!!!

34 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:19:40pm

re: #32 Stan the Demanded Plan

Same here.

I got nothing to say.

35 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:19:42pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

Considering this man’s corruption and incompetence are in large part responsible for the deaths of over 1,300 in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, I approve the shit out of this:

Yet, he was re-elected right after Katrina……

I don’t understand.

Glad, they finally got him.

36 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:20:02pm

re: #23 Shiplord Kirel

Horrible, devastating news here. A good friend’s tiny 4 day old baby girl died suddenly this afternoon. She was a beautiful baby and seemed to be doing quite well for a month premature. I will do whatever I can for them, but I don’t think there is much I can do, which makes it that much worse. I probably won’t be around much for a few days.

Oh so sorry to hear that. It’s so awful with the very young.

37 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:20:59pm

re: #27 Lidane

Anti-vax people are morons. And they don’t understand science.


What The Daily Beast’s Absurd Vaccine Truther Screed Tells Us About Journalism

What’s particularly galling about The Daily Beast‘s vaccine “debate” is that it treats science criticism like punditry. Political writing is plagued by a consensus of bores, commentators who all have opinions within the same narrow band of “acceptable” views. The online journalism revolution opened this up a bit, but not nearly enough. Hence, as a matter of inclination, I’m reflectively skeptical about claims that editors should refuse to publish authors with certain political opinions simply because they’re “out of the mainstream.” More often than not, such arguments serve more to defend staid political views from challenge than anything else.

Science journalism has, if anything, the opposite problem. The basic task of a science journalist is to explain complicated scientific findings to people who don’t have the time or the expertise to learn it from primary sources. Increasingly, science journalists are acting as science critics as well as science expositors, but that doesn’t undermine the need to fully understand and embrace scientific methodology (if anything, it intensifies it). Science journalism, sadly, often fails in both of these roles. This generally happens when writers lack the time or background knowledge necessary to properly digest and explain the research in question.

By setting up vaccination as an issue up for debate in the same way that political questions are, the Beast articles can leave a reader who isn’t aware of the overwhelming scientific consensus might simply throw up their hands (as happens in the climate debate) and say “who knows whose research is right?” But that’s not how it is. People who conclude that there’s a real case that the flu vaccine might do more harm than good are less likely to get flu vaccines, for them or their family. That makes people more likely to get sick and, possibly, die. There isn’t any real debate about this among epidemiologists. This should be settled.

38 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:21:05pm

re: #29 ProBosniaLiberal

I want one year in prison for every person who died in New Orleans as a result of Hurricane Katrina.

39 dragonath  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:24:12pm

re: #16 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I’m gonna go right on ahead and Godwin, and point out that their slogan “Our Oath Is Our Honor” is uncomfortably similar to “Meine Ehre heißt Treue” (“My Honor is Loyalty”), which you may recognize as the official slogan of the SS. But maybe it’s a stretch.

Not really, I just think it’s something inherent on the right. Nothing against D_F, but sometimes I feel the same way when he talks about “honor” to a political party.

40 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:25:28pm

re: #39 dragonath

Not really, I just think it’s something inherent on the right. Nothing against D_F, but sometimes I feel the same way when he talks about “honor” to a political party.

Because there is some sort of special express line to get to heaven if you go down with a sinking ship.

41 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:26:11pm

That’s a whole lot of “isms” to be upset about.

If you’re to the point where that many “isms” are keeping you awake at night… You probably need psychological help.

42 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:29:27pm

I went to the Facebook page of the “Eidsness Community of Safety,” and it said it was started in the fall of 2011. In Jan. 2012, a young man named Peter Anthony Eidsness, age 27, died in that part of Arizona. The only others I found with that name were his parents. Doesn’t sound so safe. Here’s a letter that appeared in the local paper a few days before he died. It’s about a candidate forum put on by the Mohave County Republicans. The part that mentions him:

A confident Wyatt Brooks, constitutional candidate for one of the two seats of the Arizona State Legislature spoke on the dangers, restrictions and problems that the globalists Agenda 21 causes. Newcomer Peter Eidsness showed, with much self-assurance and local knowledge, that he too is a constitutional candidate who can be counted on for one of the seats of the Arizona State Legislature.

That’s a weird part of Arizona, and that’s saying something.

43 Randall Gross  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:30:08pm

Set your phaser (and stolen prescription pad) for Rohypnol….

[Link: www.geekologie.com…]

44 dragonath  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:30:12pm

I can’t believe no one’s said anything about that classy logo. I mean, you can’t spell appReciation without a handgun.

Handguns are vital.

45 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:30:55pm

I’m beginning to wonder if we won’t do more to lessen violence if we focus on the non-gun issues —like with unplanned pregnancy. Focusing on the hot button issue of abortion is counterproductive and just enriches the opportunists.

If we’d focus on contraception, we might have fewer unhappy people causing violence in the first place … .

Ah, circular reasoning and I don’t want to combine the issues.

Young testosterone fueled ill-adjusted men will always exist —we need to reduce their access to weapons that cause massive death.

46 gwangung  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:34:48pm

re: #37 Kragar


What The Daily Beast’s Absurd Vaccine Truther Screed Tells Us About Journalism

Hey, they learned their lessons well from creationists.

Now, most of the country thinks science is a he-said, she-said DEBATE.

47 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:35:21pm
There’s every reason to think that there will be more of these serious executive-power issues in Obama’s second term. It’s possible that, for the next two years at least, Obama will have to try to govern without a functioning legislative branch.

ya think?

48 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:39:04pm

re: #47 FemNaziBitch

It’s possible that, for the next two years at least, Obama will have to try to govern without a functioning legislative branch.

He’s been governing without a funcitoning legislative branch since the teabagger revolution in 2010. What else is new?

49 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:40:07pm

re: #45 FemNaziBitch

I’m beginning to wonder if we won’t do more to lessen violence if we focus on the non-gun issues —like with unplanned pregnancy. Focusing on the hot button issue of abortion is counterproductive and just enriches the opportunists.

If we’d focus on contraception, we might have fewer unhappy people causing violence in the first place … .

Ah, circular reasoning and I don’t want to combine the issues.

Young testosterone fueled ill-adjusted men will always exist —we need to reduce their access to weapons that cause massive death.

$.02 worth
Thing is there are dozens of right things to do. Trouble is finding those things in among the hundreds of thousands of wrong things to do.

50 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:46:46pm


From TPM Reader PH …

“…So yeah, I don’t really want to be surrounded by people carrying guns. And it isn’t just that I had a terrible experience with guns. I also don’t want them around because I grew up with the Gun “Tribe”. Many of the loudest, baddest, sharpshot, ninja, gun-owners (and part-time Constitutional Scholars) I know are the biggest knuckleheads of my past:

- There is the Facebook “friend” from high school who huffed a lot of gas and never got higher than a C in any class (especially history/social studies)? Yep, he is now an (unofficial) sniper in the anti-fascist militia and a legal expert. He changed his avatar to an AR-15. Now watch this Sandy Hook Truther video he just posted!

- There is the uncle who has held like 80 different jobs, thought that removing lead from gasoline was Communism, and used to send me every paranoid conspiracy theory chain-email ever made until my mocking responses finally made him stop? Yep, finally got an (unpaid) job as Constitutional Scholar, varmit-destroyer, and protector of free society.

- There is the cousin-in-law who got a job as a cop and then was quietly let go like two weeks later for reasons no one will tell me, and who now plays shoot-em up video games all day. His new milita-member duty is mocking people who call a “magazine” a “clip” and informing them that if they can’t name all the parts of weapon correctly, they have no business having opinions about it.

51 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:49:57pm

re: #5 Ian G.

I just remind myself that the younger generations in this country overwhelmingly reject this insanity, and thus are depriving these loons of the stormtroopers they would need for a violent revolution.

I’m not naive enough to think these loons are incapable of violence, but it’s hard to launch a guerrilla insurgency on the backs of a bunch of overweight 65-year-olds on lipitor.

If I may interject a cautionary point: not all the younger generation. It’s hard to track down, but young (18-30) whites voted slightly against Obama. Filter that further for male and/or south and delete the word slightly.

I’ve got this suspicion, just from polling indications, that southern white males are going to be a problem on these issues for a long, long time.

52 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:51:02pm

re: #49 Political Atheist

$.02 worth
Thing is there are dozens of right things to do. Trouble is finding those things in among the hundreds of thousands of wrong things to do.

The first one being to make it harder to get guns and unlimited ammo.

53 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:52:24pm

re: #50 jaunte

That’s heartbreaking. Jesus.

54 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:53:01pm

re: #51 kirkspencer

If I may interject a cautionary point: not all the younger generation. It’s hard to track down, but young (18-30) whites voted slightly against Obama. Filter that further for male and/or south and delete the word slightly.

I’ve got this suspicion, just from polling indications, that southern white males are going to be a problem on these issues for a long, long time.

nah, they are being outbred (and they are skeerd)

55 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 2:54:09pm

The dogs want their dinner.

the nerve!

later all.

56 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:07:11pm
57 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:12:50pm

Armed man arrested near Cutten elementary school

From the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office:
On 01-18-2013, approximately 10:30 a.m. the Humboldt County Sheriff’s Office received multiple 911 calls regarding a man with a gun, described as a rifle walking on Walnut Drive towards the Cutten Elementary School. Initial reports were the man was wearing a Camo colored backpack. Deputies were immediately dispatched to the area and arrived within three minutes. Deputies located the man who at that point had walked past the front of the elementary school. The man was holding a 12 gauge Remington 870 shotgun above his head as deputies arrived. The man was wearing a camouflaged tactical vest loaded with sixteen rounds of 12 gauge buck shot and slugs. The shotgun was unloaded. The deputies immediately detained the man and asked him what he was doing. The 18 year old male told the deputies, “I am on the way to the courthouse to make a point that law enforcement can not protect kids and I am going to protect the kids.” The 18 year old male was taken into custody for a mental health evaluation and his weapon was seized.

Expect to see even more of this insanity in the next few weeks.

58 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:18:35pm

re: #57 Shvaughn

Armed man arrested near Cutten elementary school

Expect to see even more of this insanity in the next few weeks.

Like these guys? No arrests or nothing on account of it’s perfectly legal to walk around Portland streets with military rifles freaking people out. No problem. Carry on.

59 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:19:45pm

I’m shocked. Shocked that there’s craziness among the extreme right wing groups backing this ‘gun appreciation day’.

60 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:21:28pm

re: #59 lawhawk

I’m shocked. Shocked that there’s craziness among the extreme right wing groups backing this ‘gun appreciation day’.

That it’s scheduled for MLK weekend is surely a mere coincidence.

61 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:21:46pm
62 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:23:22pm

re: #61 jaunte

Sheesh, I think I’m more offended by the women’s responses.

63 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:24:35pm

re: #57 Shvaughn

Armed man arrested near Cutten elementary school

Expect to see even more of this insanity in the next few weeks.

I’m sure law enforcement loves it when some heavily armed douchebag shows up on a school campus or somewhere to try and pull a Helen Lovejoy:

You know, just like how they love it when heavily armed hero wannabes try to intervene during a crime.

64 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:26:02pm
65 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:26:55pm
66 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:28:43pm

Photos of man shopping with rifle at Utah J.C. Penney go viral

On Thursday, 22-year-old Joseph Kelley identified himself as the man in Yorgason’s pictures. Kelley described himself as a firm believer in Second Amendment rights and said he decided to bring the guns to the store to demonstrate that they are not dangerous in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

According to Kelley, the rifle was an unloaded AR-15 and the handgun was a loaded Glock 19C. He said he has a concealed-carry permit, is a former member of the military and contacted police dispatch before leaving his home to tell them about his plans. Kelley also said he was told that he was “well within his rights” and that bystanders’ reactions were positive.

“I felt no negative vibes from anyone,” Kelley said. “I think it went rather surprisingly well.”

Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from “criminals, cartels, drug lords” and other “evil men.”

67 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:29:36pm
68 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:30:24pm

re: #42 wrenchwench

I went to the Facebook page of the “Eidsness Community of Safety,” and it said it was started in the fall of 2011. In Jan. 2012, a young man named Peter Anthony Eidsness, age 27, died in that part of Arizona. The only others I found with that name were his parents. Doesn’t sound so safe. Here’s a letter that appeared in the local paper a few days before he died. It’s about a candidate forum put on by the Mohave County Republicans. The part that mentions him:

That’s a weird part of Arizona, and that’s saying something.

Started pulling threads from that org, and it took me into some very weird places. The key is to find one patriot who just loves to blog about his ‘hobby’. Might follow it up, but the paranoia is chin deep.

69 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:30:33pm
Kelley added that he carries weapons to protect children and other people from “criminals, cartels, drug lords” and other “evil men.”

So join the military or law enforcement and get paid to do it.

What a wanker.

70 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:30:57pm

re: #66 Shvaughn

Watch out for the cartels at J. C. Penney’s.

71 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:31:07pm

re: #65 Lidane

This is Fox News. They are probably arguing internally right now over whether or not to use clips from movies showing Nazi rallies in their coverage of Obama’s 2nd inauguration.

72 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:31:15pm

re: #66 Shvaughn

Photos of man shopping with rifle at Utah J.C. Penney go viral

Oh yeah, this is great, such a positive development. Make us so comfortable with having guys walking around with these weapons that we’re even more easily picked off by RWNJs. Makes so much sense.

73 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:31:23pm

Man charged in connection with statements made at Jefferson Co. school

A Jefferson County man has been arrested and is facing charges in connection with statements he allegedly made as students were being dismissed from Buckeye North Elementary School on Thursday.

Officials with the Buckeye Local School District and the Wells Township Police Department said the suspect, Dale Dollison, was criticizing security and talking about taking a gun in the school just to show that he could.

Dollison never threatened to fire a weapon or hurt anyone, which is why officials said parents were never informed about the incident.

School and police officials took the threat seriously, however. They said parents were waiting for their children to dismiss when Dollison allegedly talked about trying to get a gun inside the school to show how ineffective security was.

74 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:32:24pm

re: #66 Shvaughn

re: #73 Shvaughn

Please proceed, gun nuts.

75 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:34:33pm
76 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:35:15pm

re: #73 Shvaughn

Man charged in connection with statements made at Jefferson Co. school

TYRANNY! OBUMMER’S AMERICA INFRINGING ON HIS RIGHTS! ELEVENTY!

77 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:36:30pm

re: #75 jaunte

Free from the heavy burdens of screwing up the state legislature, CA Republicans are now free to following their true calling: baying at the moon and pissing on fire hydrants.

78 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:37:15pm

At risk of MBFing myself, here’s someone on our side who had a really wrong idea.

BB Gun Leads to Arrest of 86-Year-Old at Gun Debate

An 86-year-old Westport woman who brought a BB rifle and a box of .45-caliber ammunition to the Representative Town Meeting (RTM) tonight to make a statement about the easy accessibility of firearms was arrested and charged with misdemeanor breach of peace, police said.

Estelle Margolis, a town activist who for years has held anti-war demonstrations on the Ruth Steinkraus Cohen Bridge, had brought the weapon and ammunition to the very meeting at which the town’s legislative body was discussing guns.

Police said on Wednesday that Margolis, who also had a box of BB gun pellets, was issued a summons to appear in Norwalk Superior Court on Jan. 18.

“Regardless of what her reasoning was to bring the BB gun rifle to the meeting, it was a poor decision that created alarm and concern to the public,” said Capt. Sam Arciola. “This incident could have clearly escalated into a tragedy.”

79 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:39:04pm

re: #78 Shvaughn

At risk of MBFing myself, here’s someone on our side who had a really wrong idea.

BB Gun Leads to Arrest of 86-Year-Old at Gun Debate

NRA should provide her a lawyer.

80 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:41:02pm

re: #64 Lidane

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If only the bald eagles had guns.

81 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:42:11pm

re: #75 jaunte

California lawmaker: Guns are ‘essential to living the way God intended’

Why did God make hips if not to shoot from?

When did Jesus take a vacation and let Khorne serve as a stand in?

82 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:43:14pm

re: #72 allegro

Oh yeah, this is great, such a positive development. Make us so comfortable with having guys walking around with these weapons that we’re even more easily picked off by RWNJs. Makes so much sense.

Here’s the thing that gets me. Say I’m a bad guy with an urge to shoot someone. Who gets my first bullet?

There are a lot of cliches about it, but the simple is that if you stand out you get attention. Good, bad, doesn’t matter; you get it. All he’s doing is making sure that in the unlikely event something goes down while he’s around, someone gets his life insurance benefit.

83 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:44:24pm

re: #78 Shvaughn

At risk of MBFing myself, here’s someone on our side who had a really wrong idea.

BB Gun Leads to Arrest of 86-Year-Old at Gun Debate

he’s not the only one

A Richmond-area lawmaker brandished an AK-47 on the floor of the Virginia House of Delegates on Thursday in a wild stunt aimed at rallying support for tougher gun laws.
Del. Joe Morrissey, D-Highland Springs, pulled the weapon out shortly after the day’s session got underway

84 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:46:00pm

People worried about spree killers want to arm teachers and everyone else on the face of the planet to prevent the next nut from shooting up who know where. I have an idea. Lets start walking around with an AR-15. Better yet everyone will and we’ll all have to be ready because it’ll be the norm and we won’t know who’ll be the next spree killer is so get your trigger finger ready.

85 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:46:05pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

Fools are common enough. Wake me when they are running the Democratic Party.

86 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:47:06pm

re: #84 Gus

People worried about spree killers want to arm teachers and everyone else on the face of the planet to prevent the next nut from shooting up who know where. I have an idea. Lets start walking around with an AR-15. Better yet everyone will and we’ll all have to be ready because it’ll be the norm and we won’t know who’ll the next spree killer is so get your trigger finger ready.

Future headline: “Car backfires. Resulting gun battle kills dozens.”

Paradise.

87 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:47:44pm

re: #86 EPR-radar

Future headline: “Car backfires. Resulting gun battle kills dozens.”

Paradise.

As God intended.

88 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:48:30pm

re: #87 Gus

Praise Jayzus, and pass me the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch, already.

89 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:49:02pm

A nation of hillbillies.

90 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:49:53pm

When everyone is armed, the only way to stay safe is to make sure you shoot first.
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91 jaunte  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:51:16pm

How Republicans and the NRA Kneecapped the ATF

“…The organization’s strategists came to worry that if gun law enforcement was handed to the Secret Service, one of the few federal agencies with a reputation for competence, gun owners might actually have something to fear. And, they feared, that if the agency did become part of the Secret Service, they’d lose an easy target.”

92 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:52:13pm

re: #82 kirkspencer

Here’s the thing that gets me. Say I’m a bad guy with an urge to shoot someone. Who gets my first bullet?

There are a lot of cliches about it, but the simple is that if you stand out you get attention. Good, bad, doesn’t matter; you get it. All he’s doing is making sure that in the unlikely event something goes down while he’s around, someone gets his life insurance benefit.

Lies! Everyone knows that an armed hero will scare away the bad guys!

Why do you hate America?

93 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:53:11pm

What an ASS!!

Florida Creep Pleads Guilty To Enema Tampering
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

As detailed by prosecutors in a January 16 court filing, Robinson’s tampering occurred between April and June 2012 and involved his repeated purchase of enemas (six to a box) from a CVS in Jacksonville.

After using the enemas, Robinson (seen in the above mug shot) placed them back into their boxes, resealed the containers, and returned the products for refunds.

94 Kragar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:53:54pm

re: #93 sattv4u2

What an ASS!!

Florida Creep Pleads Guilty To Enema Tampering
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com…]

As detailed by prosecutors in a January 16 court filing, Robinson’s tampering occurred between April and June 2012 and involved his repeated purchase of enemas (six to a box) from a CVS in Jacksonville.

After using the enemas, Robinson (seen in the above mug shot) placed them back into their boxes, resealed the containers, and returned the products for refunds.

What a douchebag.

95 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:54:36pm

re: #94 Kragar

What a douchebag.

No

That would be his wifes scam!!
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96 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:57:14pm

re: #92 Lidane

And when everyone’s shooting everyone else, the real bad guy who started it just walks away saying “Hey! I was protecting the children!”

97 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 3:57:26pm

Shocka!

98 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:01:40pm

re: #97 Lidane

It’s an echo chamber where they wanted to hear what they wanted to hear. Weekly Standard blog post said 11 armed guards at Sidwell (A Quaker School btw), and the NRA incorporates it into their ad campaign against the president.

No armed guards, and only armed personnel on campus are the USSS who protect the President’s daughters.

Oh, and the other “news” site that picked it up was Breitbart, which aggregated the WS post and spread it accordingly.

99 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:06:57pm

No way !!!
Former New Orleans mayor Nagin charged with corruption

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

100 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:06:59pm

Here’s a shocker — this guy is a Breitbart writer.

101 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:07:55pm

re: #100 Lidane

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Here’s a shocker — this guy is a Breitbart writer.

Blech.

102 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:08:45pm

re: #101 b_sharp

BleAch.

Thanks for reminding me

Have to put a load of undies in the washer!!
/

103 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:10:53pm
104 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:14:30pm

re: #64 Lidane

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I used to see flocks of bald eagles flying in that area. It’s still egregious to shoot ‘em.

105 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:15:45pm

re: #104 wrenchwench

I used to see flocks of bald eagles flying in that area. It’s still egregious to shoot ‘em.

Isn’t it illegal?

106 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:15:51pm

re: #68 Decatur Deb

Started pulling threads from that org, and it took me into some very weird places. The key is to find one patriot who just loves to blog about his ‘hobby’. Might follow it up, but the paranoia is chin deep.

It really is a weird place. Even by teabagger/militia-wannabe standards, it’s way out there.

107 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:17:56pm

re: #105 b_sharp

Isn’t it illegal?

Big time. From the link:

In the United States, the bald eagle and the golden eagle are protected under multiple federal laws, according to the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service. Per the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, felony convictions can lead to a maximum fine of $250,000 or two years in prison. Civil penalties are also subject to thousands in fines and imprisonment. Bald eagles are also protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act and the Lacey Act. The bald eagle was removed from the Endangered Species federal list in 2007.

The act is also a misdemeanor under Washington state law, according to The Seattle Times.

The Stillaguamish Tribe, a Native American group based in Arlington, Wash., has pledged $10,000 toward the reward fund.

“The Tribe is shocked and offended at the wanton wastage of wildlife and supports the efforts of state authorities to investigate and prosecute this case,” the tribe said in a statement Friday.

You don’t want to offend the Stillaguamish…

108 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:18:31pm

re: #105 b_sharp

Isn’t it illegal?

Yes

But I’ve heard stories about how the eagle wasn’t the target (collateral damage as a hunter was shooting buck shot at another bird) or while targeting the other smaller bird an eagle was at the same time swooping in on it

109 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:19:10pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Yes

But I’ve heard stories about how the eagle wasn’t the target (collateral damage as a hunter was shooting buck shot at another bird) or while targeting the other smaller bird an eagle was at the same time swooping in on it

Sounds like bullshit.

110 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:19:16pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Yes

But I’ve heard stories about how the eagle wasn’t the target (collateral damage as a hunter was shooting buck shot at another bird) or while targeting the other smaller bird an eagle was at the same time swooping in on it

There were four dead eagles.

111 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:19:37pm

re: #101 b_sharp

Blech.

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:21:09pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

There were four dead eagles.

I was answering the general question about the legality of shooting them (and how at times they are shot by accident) Not about this specific instance

One can be an accident. Four is a pattern!

113 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:21:19pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

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Like shooting someone in that case would be a good choice. Likely result: dead neighbor.

114 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:21:25pm

re: #78 Shvaughn

At risk of MBFing myself, here’s someone on our side who had a really wrong idea.

BB Gun Leads to Arrest of 86-Year-Old at Gun Debate

Let’s be honest; if this woman was a Tea Bagger and not a life long anti-war demonstrator, she’d have walked. I’d be willing to bet she’s probably been a thorn in the side of the local police, and they were more than willing to teach her a “lesson.”

115 allegro  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:21:37pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Yes

But I’ve heard stories about how the eagle wasn’t the target (collateral damage as a hunter was shooting buck shot at another bird) or while targeting the other smaller bird an eagle was at the same time swooping in on it

Total bullshit. Bald Eagles eat fish.

116 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:22:24pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

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Uh oh. Riot. Hmmm. Wonder what that’s code for.

117 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:22:24pm

re: #115 allegro

Total bullshit. Bald Eagles eat fish.

Or

[Link: www.baldeagleinfo.com…]

Even though they are fish eaters, they will take ducks and birds or whatever prey is available and easiest to obtain.

118 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:23:07pm

re: #66 Shvaughn

Photos of man shopping with rifle at Utah J.C. Penney go viral

One of these days, some open-carry advocate is gonna get shot by someone who thinks, “Holy shit, that guys walking into a mall with a gun! Mass shooter!” and take the guy out, thinking that in so doing, he or she is preventing a massacre.

119 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:23:18pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Like shooting someone in that case would be a good choice. Likely result: dead neighbor.

Oh, but didn’t you know? You’ve got a moral obligation to carry a gun and be armed. Otherwise you’re a gutless coward who hates your spouse and children and would stand by while Kitty Genovese got raped and killed again.

120 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:23:36pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

So @joshtpm, can you answer what you would do if you neighbor was being raped during a riot. No cops. No one else. Just you. What do you do?

That’s right up there with a recent justification of AR15s here where D_F was asked what ‘good’ one of those guns could do, and he replied ‘protect yourself against armed gangs.’

They have to create extreme hypothetical situations to justify their guns. That’s a tell.

121 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:24:03pm

re: #115 allegro

re: #117 sattv4u2

Or

[Link: www.baldeagleinfo.com…]

Even though they are fish eaters, they will take ducks and birds or whatever prey is available and easiest to obtain.

AND

For a scavenger like the bald eagle, a seal or deer carcass would be an unexpected large food supply. Rich in protein, the bodies will feed a group of eagles for days. Though many calories will be obtained, they will be lost in fighting over the food
.

122 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:24:45pm

re: #113 wrenchwench

Like shooting someone in that case would be a good choice. Likely result: dead neighbor.

Not sure that’s the best position against, since someone being gang raped is already facing the likelihood of death.

123 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:24:57pm

re: #119 Lidane

Oh, but didn’t you know? You’ve got a moral obligation to carry a gun and be armed. Otherwise you’re a gutless coward who hates your spouse and children and would stand by while Kitty Genovese got raped and killed again.

And worse yet, chicks won’t dig you.

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124 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:25:04pm

Yes. Typically when I’m sitting in my living room I’m wondering about what would I do if my neighbor was being raped… during a riot. Yep.

125 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:25:16pm

re: #115 allegro

Total bullshit. Bald Eagles eat fish and other things.

ftfy

126 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:25:32pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

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127 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:25:32pm

re: #111 Lidane

Oh, his whole timeline gets better:

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What would you do if your foot was stuck between two fallen trees, no axe, and a meteor was heading straight for your head?

128 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:26:06pm

re: #120 makeitstop

That’s right up there with a recent justification of AR15s here where D_F was asked what ‘good’ one of those guns could do, and he replied ‘protect yourself against armed gangs.’

They have to create extreme hypothetical situations to justify their guns. That’s a tell.

@joshtpm is retweeting all the best ones. They’re convinced that societal collapse happens all the time and that the only response is to be armed.

It’s like Red Dawn, but more pathetic.

129 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:26:25pm

re: #126 Mattand

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No cops… no one else. Hmmm, sounds like a one man riot.

130 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:27:16pm

re: #129 Gus

No cops… no one else. Hmmm, sounds like a one man riot.

A rather quiet riot.

//

131 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:27:30pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Not sure that’s the best position against, since someone being gang raped is already facing the likelihood of death.

But how would you feel if it was by your bullet?

132 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:27:32pm

re: #116 Gus

Uh oh. Riot. Hmmm. Wonder what that’s code for.

The wife’s bridge club after running out of wine.

133 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:27:46pm

re: #118 Dr Lizardo

One of these days, some open-carry advocate is gonna get shot by someone who thinks, “Holy shit, that guys walking into a mall with a gun! Mass shooter!” and take the guy out, thinking that in so doing, he or she is preventing a massacre.

I never got used to it in Phoenix. People just walk around with guns, nobody seems to notice. In some places it’s not a big deal.

134 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:28:40pm

re: #120 makeitstop

That’s right up there with a recent justification of AR15s here where D_F was asked what ‘good’ one of those guns could do, and he replied ‘protect yourself against armed gangs.’

They have to create extreme hypothetical situations to justify their guns. That’s a tell.

Agreed that it is a tell. The alternative explanation that the big, black scary weapons are fulfilling deep-seated urges is much more plausible.

Hunting I get. Handgun/shotgun for home defense, I get (but am skeptical of in most cases).

Fantasies of fighting off multiple armed attackers with your trusty cock substitute assault weapon are ludicrous on their face.

135 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:28:57pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

A rather quiet riot.

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136 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:29:11pm

re: #119 Lidane

Oh, but didn’t you know? You’ve got a moral obligation to carry a gun and be armed. Otherwise you’re a gutless coward who hates your spouse and children and would stand by while Kitty Genovese got raped and killed again.

If it’s your neighbor then there’s no obligation to carry. The gun can be in your safe when you decide to take action.

The whole Kitty Genovese thing kind of hits home to me since I actually did once stop a vicious, drunken assault on a woman by waving a rifle at the assailant. I had already called 911. My apartment building was kind of shaped like a capital H so I could see other people in their apartments looking down on the assault in the parking lot. Later, when I was being prepared to testify, the Prosecutor told me that I was the only witness, nobody else in the building called 911 or agreed to be witnesses.

137 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:29:20pm

re: #127 b_sharp

What would you do if your foot was stuck between two fallen trees, no axe, and a meteor was heading straight for your head?

Major lulz. You should tweet that to ol’ Kurt if you have an account.

138 Lidane  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:30:03pm

re: #126 Mattand

You just earned an RT from @joshtpm with that. Heh.

139 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:30:12pm

re: #137 Mattand

Major lulz. You should tweet that to ol’ Kurt if you have an account.

He’s got two!

140 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:30:52pm

re: #127 b_sharp

What would you do if your foot was stuck between two fallen trees, no axe, and a meteor was heading straight for your head?

“Save me, Jebus!”

//

141 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:31:29pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

But how would you feel if it was by your bullet?

Probably about the same if it was by my complete and total inaction.

I’m seeing a lot of complex reality being reduced to abject simplism.

142 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:31:37pm

re: #127 b_sharp

What would you do if your foot was stuck between two fallen trees, no axe, and a meteor was heading straight for your head?

SHOOT THE METEOR QUICK!!

143 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:32:34pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

I never got used to it in Phoenix. People just walk around with guns, nobody seems to notice. In some places it’s not a big deal.

I just don’t get the desire to be strapped 24/7. I could understand maybe if you live an area prone to violence. This need to go full metal Punisher in shopping malls is just fucked up.

I honestly wonder if these morons are trying to provoke someone into shooting at them, accidentally or otherwise, to prove how “dangerous” society is.

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:32:57pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

the Prosecutor told me that I was the only witness, nobody else in the building called 911 or agreed to be witnesses.

Reminds me of the scene in On The Waterfront when the guy gets thrown off the roof of the building

145 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:32:59pm

re: #124 Gus

Yes. Typically when I’m sitting in my living room I’m wondering about what would I do if my neighbor was being raped… during a riot. Yep.

Wouldn’t a high voltage cattle prod work?

146 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:33:07pm

re: #138 Lidane

re: #139 wrenchwench

Thanks to Josh and Gus!

147 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:33:51pm

re: #145 b_sharp

Wouldn’t a high voltage cattle prod work?

Why are we talking about your sex life?
/

148 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:34:01pm

re: #66 Shvaughn

What an idiot. It’s no secret here that I own firearms. Some that are regarded as Assault Weapons. But this sort of shit isn’t “responsible” ownership or use.

It’s a flagrant, in your face example of “The Law allows me to do this, so I will attitude”. It does nothing to further the discussion about private ownership of firearms and in fact has a negative effect on those of us who do.

149 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:34:44pm

re: #148 Bubblehead II

What an idiot. It’s no secret here that I own firearms. Some that are regarded as Assault Weapons. But this sort of shit isn’t “responsible” ownership or use.

It’s a flagrant, in your face example of “The Law allows me to do this, so I will attitude”. It does nothing to further the discussion about private ownership of firearms and in fact has a negative effect on those of us who do.

Bing
Go!

150 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:34:48pm

re: #145 b_sharp

Wouldn’t a high voltage cattle prod work?

What if there’s a home invasion going on at your neighbors… during a riot.

151 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:35:20pm

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

Probably about the same if it was by my complete and total inaction.

I’m seeing a lot of complex reality being reduced to abject simplism.

It’s Twittertown, Jake.

I better go build a bike. It would do more good for society, and my customer, who has already paid for it.

152 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:35:30pm

re: #137 Mattand

Major lulz. You should tweet that to ol’ Kurt if you have an account.

Done.

153 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:35:55pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

He’s got two!

Tattletale.

154 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:36:41pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Why are we talking about your sex life?
/

Bored stiff.

155 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:37:33pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

I never got used to it in Phoenix. People just walk around with guns, nobody seems to notice. In some places it’s not a big deal.

That’s true. Here in the Czech Republic, I’ve seen soldiers and civilians alike open-carry long rifles. I’ve seen civilian hunters walking down the road in smaller villages with shotguns to go pheasant hunting (and I was one of them).

Hell, I’ve even seen people open-carry swords.

Yes, there is registration and licensing here, but it’s not a big deal, nor costly. Ex-cons can also have guns, even concealed carry permits, all quite legally.

156 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:37:33pm

re: #150 Gus

What if there’s a home invasion going on at your neighbors… during a riot.

Drive a herd of cattle through the neighbours living room.

157 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:37:52pm

re: #154 b_sharp

Boared stiff.

Thats a good thing, no !?!?!

158 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:38:25pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

It’s Twittertown, Jake.

I better go build a bike. It would do more good for society, and my customer, who has already paid for it.

Make sure you put the front wheel in backwards.

159 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:40:36pm

Security guard leaves gun unattended in restroom at Lapeer charter school

A security officer at a Lapeer charter school left a firearm unattended in a school bathroom on Monday, Jan. 14, a school official said.

The security officer “made a breach in security protocol” and left an unloaded weapon in a restroom “for a few moments,” said Chatfield School Director Matt Young.

Young said the school has been in contact with local authorities about the matter and wouldn’t discuss any possible repercussion for the officer, calling it “a personnel matter.” Young also declined to name the security officer.

Raw Story has more on the guard’s background:

Chatfield School co-directors Matt Young and Bill Kraly announced last week that they had hired retired Lapeer County Sheriff’s Dept. firearms instructor Clark Arnold as a security guard in response to the December mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut.

“It’s a tremendous asset to the safety of our students,” Young told WNEM in a report that aired on Tuesday.

But by Wednesday, the school had admitted to The Flint Journal that the retired firearms instructor had made a “made a breach in security protocol” and left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

160 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:40:52pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

This is an excellent example of how culture can make a big difference. In your examples, guns are being treated as the weapons/tools that they are.

In the US, someone open carrying in ID or AZ is rather too likely to be acting out some kind of dangerous nuttiness.

161 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:42:59pm

re: #127 b_sharp

What would you do if your foot was stuck between two fallen trees, no axe, and a meteor was heading straight for your head?

Ummm.. Hit ctrl-alt-delete and reboot? /

162 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:46:02pm

re: #158 b_sharp

Make sure you put the front wheel in backwards.

No can do. Disc brakes.

163 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:46:23pm

re: #15 allegro

Didn’t you very recently start a new job? Looking again?

Company had financial woes and I was expensive. Got laid off in December. Started looking on Monday…not a bad start to the job search, I must say.

164 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:47:12pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

This is an excellent example of how culture can make a big difference. In your examples, guns are being treated as the weapons/tools that they are.

In the US, someone open carrying in ID or AZ is rather too likely to be acting out some kind of dangerous nuttiness.

Very true. For me, a firearm is a tool/weapon, and it is to be treated appropriately. It’s not a visible substitute or extension for my manhood.
And I’ve never seen anyone here treat in that fashion. A friend of mine, Eva, she owns a shotgun for bird hunting and she’s very responsible with it. Her boyfriend owns a shotgun as well, and I’ve gone pheasant hunting with both of them. No problems, they never acted stupid with the guns, or anything.

The firearms owners I’ve encountered here are “responsible” by any definition.

165 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:47:17pm

Oh, neat, my one-year lizardversary is coming up on January 24.

166 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:47:42pm

re: #165 Shvaughn

Oh, neat, my one-year lizardversary is coming up on January 24.

Will there be cake?

167 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:48:28pm

re: #166 sattv4u2

Will there be cake?

Cake, lie.

/in a hurry

168 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:48:28pm

re: #160 EPR-radar

This is an excellent example of how culture can make a big difference. In your examples, guns are being treated as the weapons/tools that they are.

In the US, someone open carrying in ID or AZ is rather too likely to be acting out some kind of dangerous nuttiness.

Wasn’t always that way. In the Forties and Fifties it was common for American schoolchildren to belong to target shooting clubs. My Dad remembers taking his rifle to and from school on public transportation, and shooting at the old range hidden beneath the Seattle Center.

Before being converted for the 1962 World’s Far, the Seattle Center House building was a National Guard Armory. This picture was taken in 1939, the year it opened. (Seattlepi.com file)

Today from the seattlepi.com archives, we share photos of a Seattle Center building that most Seattleites have never seen.

The Center House, which was converted for the Century 21 Exposition in 1962, was built in 1939 as a National Guard Armory. The center’s website states that it housed the 146th Field Artillery and half-ton tanks. Initially the armory also was home to the 66th Field Artillery Brigade.

Deep in the basement — off-limits to the public on most occasions — is the former shooting range, where walls are still splattered with bullet marks. A photo of that range, taken in 2008, is shown below.

169 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:48:53pm

re: #158 b_sharp

Make sure you put the front wheel in backwards.

I’ll put the back wheel in frontwards.

170 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:49:59pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

I’ll put the back wheel in frontwards.

During a riot?

171 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:50:31pm

re: #164 Dr Lizardo

A new organization for sensible gun owners might want to dust off the “silent majority” story line. Here it would be true —- the NRA is certainly not sensible, and the GOA tries to be even worse.

172 Mattand  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:55:33pm

I realize I’m courting a banning, but my God, even for a Breitbart writer, this guy is fucking stupid:

173 EmmaAnne  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:57:25pm

re: #150 Gus

What if there’s a home invasion going on at your neighbors… during a riot.

And you’re the only one there.

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:57:50pm

re: #151 wrenchwench

It’s Twittertown, Jake.

I better go build a bike. It would do more good for society, and my customer, who has already paid for it.

Hope the customer is not a GOP House rep. You may have to appeal to Obama then to actually get a check that you can cash without bouncing.
///

175 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:57:58pm

re: #155 Dr Lizardo

That’s true. Here in the Czech Republic, I’ve seen soldiers and civilians alike open-carry long rifles. I’ve seen civilian hunters walking down the road in smaller villages with shotguns to go pheasant hunting (and I was one of them).

Hell, I’ve even seen people open-carry swords.

Yes, there is registration and licensing here, but it’s not a big deal, nor costly. Ex-cons can also have guns, even concealed carry permits, all quite legally.

I’ve read them - as a gun owner there is nothing horrible about Germany’s or the Czech Republic’s rules that I have seen. Heck, it’s downright easy to own full automatic weapons in Belgium.

176 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 4:58:30pm

re: #173 EmmaAnne

And you’re the only one there.

No cops, nobody else. Just you.

177 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:00:54pm

So wait. Now married men have to own a gun just in case they need to defend their wives?

178 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:01:36pm

re: #177 Gus

The white man’s burden, part 647.

179 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:03:20pm

Anyone have a spare minute or two? Listen to this StoryCorps

180 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:03:40pm

What could possibly go wrong.?

Security officer hired by school in response to sandy hook shooting forgets to take handgun with him when exiting student restroom?

[Link: gawker.com…]

181 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:04:05pm

re: #165 Shvaughn

Oh, neat, my one-year lizardversary is coming up on January 24.

Bahhhhh. You should have here back here in the day. The Ban stick was flying and the Lizards were at each others throats on a daily basis.

Not mention the horrors of the 9600 BPS dial-up, both directions, really slowed things down

You kids have it easy today.

Now get off my lawn!

Damn whippersnappers.

:-)

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:06:50pm

re: #180 Tigger2

What could possibly go wrong.?

Security officer hired by school in response to sandy hook shooting forgets to take handgun with him when exiting student restroom?

[Link: gawker.com…]

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

183 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:07:47pm

re: #181 Bubblehead II

were at each others throats on a daily basis.
Ah baloney
You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about! And turn that damn music down!
//

184 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:09:17pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

Didn’t see that but unloaded is just as bad, what good is he going to be.

185 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:09:52pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

Doesn’t matter. He left a weapon behind. Fire his ass.

186 SteveMcG  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:09:56pm

These guys who think it’s a good idea to carry a weapon around with them on their daily business have no idea what they’re doing. I told a story about two weeks ago, about the time I took the gun away from a policeman. I still look at police officers to this day and they are way too casual about letting people into their personal space. One of these civilian knuckleheads carrying a gun in a holster or even something heavier will be careful for a while, but there is a limit how long an untrained person will remain vigilant about their immediate security. I think of that soccer mom bringing her holstered weapon to her kids’ game, watching the game instead of who might be standing next to her. Any number of things can go wrong.
I got control of myself in the nick of time (I hope I wasn’t really a maniac, but once I had that gun in my hand, tragedy could only have been a split second away, even by accident).

187 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:10:33pm

re: #185 Bubblehead II

Doesn’t matter. He left a weapon behind. Fire his ass.

I said that!

188 SteveMcG  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:11:45pm

re: 182

Doesn’t matter in it’s unloaded. Where there is a gun, bullets can’t be too far away.

189 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:13:09pm
191 Gus  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:16:02pm

Your eyes are brain tissue!

192 darthstar  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:16:04pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

Anyone who says a gun is ‘unloaded’ doesn’t deserve to own one.

193 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:17:13pm

re: #190 Gus

In any other country, he would have been hauled off to the funny farm long ago.

194 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:17:31pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

What’s the point of carrying around an unloaded gun?

195 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:17:43pm

re: #181 Bubblehead II

Bahhhhh. You should have here back here in the day. The Ban stick was flying and the Lizards were at each others throats on a daily basis.

I was watching back in the day. I used to think of this site as a bunch of dicks, and I was amazed when someone said that Charles had taken a drastic turn away from the Right.

Amazed and pleased, too.

196 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:19:28pm

re: #181 Bubblehead II

Bahhhhh. You should have here back here in the day. The Ban stick was flying and the Lizards were at each others throats on a daily basis.

Not mention the horrors of the 9600 BPS dial-up, both directions, really slowed things down

You kids have it easy today.

Now get off my lawn!

Damn whippersnappers.

:-)

I thought of that today too with all the reminders of 3rd Position, white supremacists, JBS nuts, and other radicals and apologists in the early stages of the Tea Party. Who would have thought making excuses for radicals at protests could cause a problem?
I will give some of the old wingnuts some credit, there were folks who got involved with their local Tea Parties and tried to marginalize the nuts. Not nearly enough but at least some of them tried.

197 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:20:07pm

re: #183 sattv4u2

were at each others throats on a daily basis.
Ah baloney
You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about! And turn that damn music down!
//

Actually, we were. And since the batteries in my hearing aids have failed, no, I will not turn the music down.

Crank It Lizards!

198 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:20:28pm

re: #191 Gus

Your eyes are brain tissue!

I just looked into his eyes and saw nothing. Figures.

199 freetoken  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:20:37pm

On a totally different topic, these days lots of interesting discoveries are being made about us humans and how we got to where we are today:


First, an Oxford PR (and always take PR with a grain of salt) about how Eastern European Jewry descends primarily from those who ancestors were in Khazaria:

New study sheds light on the origin of the European Jewish population


Next up about Eastern Europe:
The History of Slavs Inferred from Complete Mitochondrial Genome Sequences

And finally we return to Africa and the tale of an ancient population which survives in the genomes of the current residents:

Genetic admixture in southern Africa - Ancient Khoisan lineages survive in contemporary Bantu groups


We all come from somewhere.

And, we’re all just passing through.

200 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:21:31pm

re: #186 SteveMcG

These guys who think it’s a good idea to carry a weapon around with them on their daily business have no idea what they’re doing. I told a story about two weeks ago, about the time I took the gun away from a policeman. I still look at police officers to this day and they are way too casual about letting people into their personal space. One of these civilian knuckleheads carrying a gun in a holster or even something heavier will be careful for a while, but there is a limit how long an untrained person will remain vigilant about their immediate security. I think of that soccer mom bringing her holstered weapon to her kids’ game, watching the game instead of who might be standing next to her. Any number of things can go wrong.
I got control of myself in the nick of time (I hope I wasn’t really a maniac, but once I had that gun in my hand, tragedy could only have been a split second away, even by accident).

That soccer Mom was killed, by her husband. In her house. With their 3 children present.

If there’s EVER a story about yee-haws and their “protection” and their “rights” THIS IS IT.

[Link: www.pennlive.com…]

201 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:23:26pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

I said that!

Yes, you did. but you qualified that it was unloaded. Doesn’t matter.

202 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:24:12pm

re: #201 Bubblehead II

Yes, you did. but you qualified that it was unloaded. Doesn’t matter.

Would have to a kid that picked it up!

203 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:24:13pm

re: #196 Killgore Trout

I thought of that today too with all the reminders of 3rd Position, white supremacists, JBS nuts, and other radicals and apologists in the early stages of the Tea Party. Who would have thought making excuses for radicals at protests could cause a problem?
I will give some of the old wingnuts some credit, there were folks who got involved with their local Tea Parties and tried to marginalize the nuts. Not nearly enough but at least some of them tried.

Shut up Kilgore. You are a joke.

204 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:24:41pm

re: #203 Stan the Demanded Plan

wow

:(

205 SteveMcG  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:25:25pm

re: 203

I wish my downding button worked.

206 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:26:14pm

Don’t worry about it. It bothers me not at all.

207 SteveMcG  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:28:17pm

re: 206

We’re all grownups here (the things I take for granted), but stuff like that is an affront to all of us.

208 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:28:29pm

re: #206 Killgore Trout

Don’t worry about it. It bothers me not at all.

I know, and when it’s directed at me, neither do I

but still,,,, wow!

209 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:28:45pm

re: #205 SteveMcG

re: 203

I wish my downding button worked.

No worries

mine does

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:29:37pm

re: #207 SteveMcG

re: 206

We’re all grownups here (the things I take for granted), but stuff like that is an affront to all of us.

Geez , and he got TWO for 206!!!!

{sigh}

211 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:30:10pm

Haha. Result achieved.

He defends assholes every single day. I’ve become extremely adept at the scroll when I see his name, but once and awhile something flashes on the screen. Like defending LGF assholes.

Oh new thread! I swear Charles has a wonderful sense of knowing when KT is going to fuck it up.

212 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:32:39pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

He keeps his bullet in his pants pocket.

213 SteveMcG  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:32:44pm

re:211

Why don’t you keep an eye on this one just in case.

214 palomino  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:33:23pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

It’s terrible and he should be fired, but from 159 left his unloaded handgun unattended in the school restroom “for a few moments.”

Loaded or not, for a few moments or more, it’s still a major Barney Fife fuck-up. Job #1 for a security guard, in a school or anywhere else, is DON’T LOSE TRACK OF YOUR FUCKING GUN!

215 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:33:40pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

Would have to a kid that picked it up!

It only takes a but few seconds.

216 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:37:35pm

re: #190 Gus

Alex Jones Says TVs and Light Bulbs Are Programmed to Kill Everyone

[Embedded content]

He also thinks nerds are dangerous.

217 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:39:41pm

re: #203 Stan the Demanded Plan

Shut up Kilgore. You are a joke.

Not cool.

218 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:43:12pm

re: #217 b_sharp

Not cool.

Sorry. Contrarian Lasagna is sometimes way too filling. I hit my limit.

219 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:43:30pm

re: #211 Stan the Demanded Plan

Haha. Result achieved.

Man, I argue with him a lot but you’re just being really dickish here.

220 Stanghazi  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:44:29pm

Sorry again.

221 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:52:19pm

re: #220 Stan the Demanded Plan

Sorry again.

No worries

222 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:55:12pm

re: #171 EPR-radar

A new organization for sensible gun owners might want to dust off the “silent majority” story line. Here it would be true —- the NRA is certainly not sensible, and the GOA tries to be even worse.

The GOA is for people who think the NRA is run by a bunch of commies.

223 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Jan 18, 2013 5:57:10pm

re: #175 William Barnett-Lewis

I’ve read them - as a gun owner there is nothing horrible about Germany’s or the Czech Republic’s rules that I have seen. Heck, it’s downright easy to own full automatic weapons in Belgium.

There’s nothing at all horrible about the rules regarding firearms in the Czech Republic or Germany. The Czech Republic’s rules are arguably more liberal than Germany.

224 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 10:39:49am

re: #210 sattv4u2

Geez , and he got TWO for 206!!!!

{sigh}

And I got TWO for that one!!

LOL


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