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NRA Cites #Breitbart.com to Falsely Claim School Attended by Obama’s Daughters Has ‘11 Armed Guards’

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The National Rifle Association’s ugly ad targeting President Obama’s children accuses him of being a “hypocrite” because the school his daughters attend has “11 armed guards.” The ad also attacks NBC journalist David Gregory for the same alleged “hypocrisy.”

And to back up this claim they cite the right wing attack dogs of breitbart.com.

Here’s that article at breitbart.com, by A.W.R. Hawkins: SCHOOL OBAMA’S DAUGHTERS ATTEND HAS 11 ARMED GUARDS!

Some interesting news has broken in the wake of the latest push for gun control by President Obama and Senate Democrats: Obama sends his kids to a school where armed guards are used as a matter of fact.

The school, Sidwell Friends School in Washington, DC, has 11 security officers and is seeking to hire a new police officer as we speak.

If you dismiss this by saying, “Of course they have armed guards — they get Secret Service protection,” then you’ve missed the larger point.

The larger point is that this is standard operating procedure for the school, period. And this is the reason people like NBC’s David Gregory send their kids to Sidwell, they know their kids will be protected from the carnage that befell kids at a school where armed guards weren’t used (and weren’t even allowed).

Shame on President Obama for seeking more gun control and for trying to prevent the parents of other school children from doing what he has clearly done for his own. His children sit under the protection guns afford, while the children of regular Americans are sacrificed.

Notice that there’s no link, and no source quoted for this claim by A.W.R. Hawkins.

That’s because the claim is totally false. Made up. Bogus. An outright lie. A rancid howler.

According to the Washington Post, in the real world Sidwell Friends School has exactly zero armed guards on duty.

The National Rifle Association is airing a television ad (and has on its website this four-minute video) that says the private school that President Obama’s daughters attend, Sidwell Friends School, has 11 armed guards. It doesn’t.

In fact, it has no armed guards. My Post colleague Glenn Kessler, who writes The Fact Checker column, wrote about the issue here and quoted Ellis Turner, associate head of Sidwell Friends, as saying: “Sidwell Friends security officers do not carry guns.”

Parents and students say they have never seen one either.

The president’s children are protected by Secret Service agents, which is required by federal law, but that is not the same thing as armed school resource officers.

The Fact Checker, who hands out “Pinocchios” depending on how accurate — or inaccurate — a particular story is, gave the NRA and its ad the worst possible rating, four Pinocchios. Whereas three Pinocchios are given for “significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions,” four Pinocchios are given for “whoppers.”

This is a great example of the counter-factual closed loop echo chamber of the right. A Breitbart hack just makes up a false accusation out of thin air, and from there it propagates throughout the right wing universe with no regard whatsoever for the truth, ending up in an attack ad by one of the most powerful right wing lobbies in the country.

Also see:
The NRA and Breitbart: Unprecedented Epistemic Closure in Action

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331 comments

1 darthstar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:27:46am

Jesus fucking Christ…you mean to tell me these assholes think Breitbart.com is a reliable source for information? They should call Orly Taitz…she can give them some information on the President’s lineage they could use.

2 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:29:20am

re: #1 darthstar

For the NRA if it supports their view it is valid.

3 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:30:10am

NRA = Not Really Accurate.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:30:30am

Itis accepted that the President and his family are protected by armed guards. It is not accepted, nor is it acceptable to a lot of Americans - that our schoolchildren should be protected by armed guards at all times.

5 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:30:40am

re: #3 Iwouldprefernotto

lol. That is a good one. :)

6 darthstar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:31:16am

re: #2 PhillyPretzel

The circle of stupidity is getting ever tighter, like a vortex. Eventually, they’ll reach critical density and we’ll just hear a tiny “Pop!” and they’ll be gone…or we will.

7 darthstar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:32:43am

Isn’t today Gun Masturbation Day? Everyone oil your barrels!

8 Awea  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:35:33am

My take is, who cares if they did have armed guards employed by the school.
It is a private school, that costs 30K a year per student.

9 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:36:52am

brb

10 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:39:33am

Repost from last night:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Challengers from the Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far-Right

From the Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
148 pages, well worth reading and saving for reference, especially for an examination of:

“What are the social and political factors associated with the level of far-right violence? Are there political or social conditions that foster or discourage violence?”

11 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:39:35am

re: #5 PhillyPretzel

lol. That is a good one. :)

Thanks.

Isn’t Sidwell a Quaker School?

12 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:41:00am

re: #11 Iwouldprefernotto

I believe it is. Isn’t that what the article states?

13 bluecheese  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:43:06am

the proposal to have armed guards in every school in the nation isn’t a serious one. The NRA knows this.

Calling attention to the Obama daughters is trolling of the highest order.

14 Awea  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:43:29am

I want to know, why do these elitist kids get to go to a school completely surrounded an Armored Division?

[Link: www.am.dodea.edu…]

15 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:44:23am

simple

all americans should have their own secret service protection, just like the president and his family

this will eliminate unemployment, and also require that we hire the entire adult population of several other countries

16 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:44:39am

Sounds good to me.

17 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:48:02am

Dixie Gun and Knife and Wound Show

Accidental shooting at Raleigh gun show

An eyewitness told ABC11 that a person brought a loaded semi-automatic pistol to a security check-in area around 1 p.m. Saturday. The gun owner reportedly removed the gun’s slide out magazine, but there was still a round in the gun’s chamber.

When a law enforcement officer went to secure the weapon with a zip tie through the trigger area and around the grip, the gun went off as the zip tie was pulled tight.

Two or three people were injured. Varying accounts said a person was shot in the hand, another in the arm and possibly a third.

18 allegro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:52:41am

re: #17 jaunte

Dixie Gun and Knife and Wound Show

Accidental shooting at Raleigh gun show

All of these responsible gun owners sure make me feel more secure.

//

19 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:52:51am

re: #17 jaunte

This never would have happened if people were just allowed to carry loaded weapons wherever they want, no questions asked. Security check ins are for French and gay hippies.
////////

20 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #17 jaunte

::: rolls eyes ::: When securing any weapon point the darn gun at the ground. That is what my dad taught me when I got my SP-101.

21 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:57:02am

re: #20 PhillyPretzel

::: rolls eyes ::: When securing any weapon point the darn gun at the ground. That is what my dad taught me when I got my SP-101.

Wasn’t the guy that brought it
When a law enforcement officer went to secure the weapon with a zip tie through the trigger area and around the grip, the gun went off as the zip tie was pulled tight.

That stated, the guy that DID bring it shouldn’t have had the gun loaded

22 122 Year Old Obama  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:57:25am

Where is my unrestricted access to an RPG-7!? TYRANNY!!11ty

23 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 11:59:40am

re: #21 sattv4u2

Wasn’t the guy that brought it
When a law enforcement officer went to secure the weapon with a zip tie through the trigger area and around the grip, the gun went off as the zip tie was pulled tight.

That stated, the guy that DID bring it shouldn’t have had the gun loaded

Looks like the cop set it off. I’m pretty sure it’s common practice to check the chamber when someone hands you a weapon.

24 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:02:56pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Looks like the cop set it off. I’m pretty sure it’s common practice to check the chamber when someone hands you a weapon.

Should be SOP

2nd incident this week (that I’ve seen) of a law enforcement officer having a case of the OOPPSSS!!

(1st one yesterday being the cop that left the gun in the mens room at a school)

25 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:03:43pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Looks like the cop set it off. I’m pretty sure it’s common practice to check the chamber when someone hands you a weapon.

Should be SOP for you to check the weapon’s chamber before you hand it over as well.

26 allegro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:04:31pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Should be SOP for you to check the weapon’s chamber before you hand it over as well.

How about people just not carry around weapons needlessly in the first place?

27 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:05:13pm

re: #25 Feline Fearless Leader

Should be SOP for you to check the weapon’s chamber before you hand it over as well.

#21

28 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:05:53pm

re: #26 allegro

How about people just not carry around weapons needlessly in the first place?

It’s a gun show

What are they supposed to carry, light sabres!?!?!

//

29 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:06:02pm

re: #26 allegro

How about people just not carry around weapons needlessly in the first place?

Better still.

But when you are handling them (hunting for instance) there are a whole set of things you should related to picking them up, putting them down, etc. in order to minimize risk.

30 allegro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:06:39pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

It’s a gun show

What are they supposed to carry, light sabres!?!?!

//

Did the guy feel unsafe at a gun show? Unprotected?

The irony, it burns.

31 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:07:58pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

Last time I went they made me check my FTL Com. Her Grace did not like that one. She was really pissed.

32 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:08:29pm

On Gun Appreciation Day we Appreciate both the light and the dark sides of the Force Gun.

33 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:09:27pm

re: #30 allegro

Did the guy feel unsafe at a gun show? Unprotected?

The irony, it burns.

Could have been there to sell his piece

34 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:10:26pm

As I just posted in the last thread, this combination of utterly insane incitement over guns and racist hysteria has me wondering if the President is going to be assassinated over this.

As Jon Stewart pointed out in his expose of anti-enforcement laws there’s real legislative work to be done on guns, but the gun sellers, the Nazis and other racists have all been inciting that the scary black man is about to take away your guns, destroy the constitution and rape your… never mind they’re not against rape … they’ve been at this for 4 years.

Hell they probably started before Obama was even elected the first time.

By now they’ve taken it so far that the demand for guns outstrips the supply! They can’t PRODUCE guns fast enough to supply the hysterical, crazed, racist derps in this country.

Has that ever happened before?

I’m worrying that we’re well past the point where racist nuts will be shooting at the president and his aides.

35 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:11:28pm

re: #30 allegro

re: #33 sattv4u2

Could have been there to sell his piece

or trade, or get it appraised, or serviced, or buy a holster for it (take it along to insure a good natch/ fit)

All of the above happen at those shows

As I stated in #21,, the guy that DID bring it shouldn’t have had the gun loaded

36 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:13:08pm

what i am googling today:

how long will it take for the ‘agile development process’ to die?

37 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:13:34pm

My Dad taught me that every time you touch your gun, regardless if you’re just picking it back up after sitting it down, you check the chamber. Over and over again.

We have extremely inexperienced people handling deadly weapons.

Anyone remember the father who killed his son in the car after going to the gun shop to try to sell it?

38 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:14:01pm

re: #36 engineer cat

Your enterprise Journey to The Cloud!

39 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:14:35pm

re: #28 sattv4u2

It’s a gun show

What are they supposed to carry, light sabres!?!?!

//

“What the hell is this?”

“It’s a glow rod…it’s what we got.”

40 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:15:18pm

Laterz taterz

41 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:15:52pm

re: #33 sattv4u2

Could have been there to sell his piece

…to anybody at random without a background check…

42 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:16:03pm

Anger, violent thoughts: Are you too sick to own a gun?

But as lawmakers rush to restrict that access in the wake of recent mass shootings, mental health experts warn of unintended consequences: from gun owners avoiding mental health treatment to therapists feeling compelled to report every patient who expresses a violent thought.

“Many patients express some idea of harm to other people, everything from, ‘I wish I could rip my boss limb from limb,’ to, ‘I have a gun and want to blow that guy away,’” said Paul Applebaum, director of the Division of Law, Ethics, and Psychiatry at Columbia University.

finally, americans are waking up to the realization that homo sapiens sapiens is too emotionally immature to be trusted with technology

43 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:16:20pm
44 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:16:44pm
45 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:17:59pm

re: #43 jaunte

Two accidentally shot at NC gun show safety check-in. In related news, The Onion announces going-out-of-business sale.

It has come to the point that between the GOP and the NRA, there is not much The Onion can come up with to top them.

46 Major Tom  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:18:03pm

I was duped. It sounded legit.

Maybe those weren’t intended to be factual statements… //

47 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:18:48pm

re: #36 engineer cat

what i am googling today:

how long will it take for the ‘agile development process’ to die?

:/ I had to google for that
I used to be a programmer.

Iterative development is a good idea. It’s never going away.

I deleted some pontificating. No doubt you don’t want any unsolicited lecture on software development.

48 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:19:42pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

TGDN:
We’ll build a world of our own
that no one else can share.
All our sorrows we’ll leave far behind us there.
And I know you will find
there’ll be peace of mind
when we live in a world of our own.

49 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:20:14pm

here is the ‘agile manifesto’:


Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan

in practice, the agile process rules individuals, your every hour of work is subjected to comprehensive documentation, and, as you can see in the last point, the idea of having anything so old fashioned as a ‘plan’ is looked on with disdain

50 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:21:00pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

IIRC, Twitter administration looks for coordinated abuses like this. If so the cries of terror as a few thousand twits are suddenly silenced will not be disturbing.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:21:17pm

re: #48 jaunte

TGDN:
We’ll build a world of our own
that no one else can share.
All our sorrows we’ll leave far behind us there.
And I know you will find
there’ll be peace of mind
when we live in a world of our own.

A more fitting song for TGDN

52 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:21:49pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

Wow, they’ve evolved into the conspiracy that they hallucinated that other people were committing.

That’s a parable for everything the conservatives have done in the past decade. Just read places like PJ Media, they complain endlessly that Democrats are pure evil cheaters and that therefore they must cheat back, commit to total warfare so that the good guys can win.

53 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:22:02pm

re: #47 stabby

:/ I had to google for that
I used to be a programmer.

Iterative development is a good idea. It’s never going away.

I deleted some pontificating. No doubt you don’t want any unsolicited lecture on software development.

iterative development is what i have been doing for 27 years

one of the biggest lies promoted by agile is that the only alternative to agile is waterfall or cowboys

the last time i encountered anybody stupid enough to attempt waterfall was in about the year of 1996

54 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:22:27pm

re: #48 jaunte

TGDN:
We’ll build a world of our own
that no one else can share.
All our sorrows we’ll leave far behind us there.
And I know you will find
there’ll be peace of mind
when we live in a world of our own.

They got that epistemic closure down, now they’re branching out to other kinds of closure.

55 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:26:16pm
56 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:26:51pm

re: #49 engineer cat

here is the ‘agile manifesto’:

Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan

Oh god, that’s pure evil

I wouldn’t work in a company that did that.

In my last company we were working on a high volume/optimistic/multi processor/compiling database engine that would likely be used for important things like financial transactions.


so they had kids straight out of college who were totally incompetent (when I got there they used NUMBERS instead of field ie *(aPointer+48) instead of pointer->field) working in an extreme team on the core…

They pretty much had to rewrite from scratch 4 times to get rid of the bugs

I would stand up in meetings and say “when are we going to document the code”

Eventually we got new management and the bosses had the guts to say “never” “we will never document the code”
Then they fired me.

57 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:28:07pm

re: #37 Stan the Demanded Plan

My Dad taught me that every time you touch your gun, regardless if you’re just picking it back up after sitting it down, you check the chamber. Over and over again.

We have extremely inexperienced people handling deadly weapons.

Anyone remember the father who killed his son in the car after going to the gun shop to try to sell it?

My father taught me anytime you pick up a firearm assume it’s loaded and treat it accordingly. Check the chamber etc. Especially at gun shows (which I’ve been going to since I was five).

58 allegro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:28:10pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

Yup, feeling more and more secure with these sane and responsible gun owners every minute.

//

59 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:28:56pm

re: #47 stabby

:/ I had to google for that
I used to be a programmer.

Iterative development is a good idea. It’s never going away.

I deleted some pontificating. No doubt you don’t want any unsolicited lecture on software development.

agile:
every two weeks our team must spend half a day creating an hour-by-hour breakdown of everything we propose to do in the next two weeks. we spend 20 minutes to an hour every morning accounting for every hour we spent the day before and discussing how we will spend every hour that day. when the actual tasks, inevitably, get out of synch with the ‘tickets’ we’ve created to predict our every move, there is wailing and gnashing of teeth

60 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:30:04pm
61 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:30:49pm

re: #56 stabby

they used NUMBERS instead of field ie *(aPointer+48) instead of pointer->field

heh

well is guess they were trying to write C code like it was assembler

62 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:31:40pm

In my opinion you should do iterative development by building on bases of complete, documented, rock solid tools. You work on coming up with solid tools and abtractions and languages/apis that express your problem space elegantly and readably and build from there.

You spend significant time documenting code before you check anything in.

No one should ever have to read code.

No code should ever be written without a plan on how it will be finished.

The plan “how do we get from here to complete” should be in writing.

The algorithms and all of the pitfalls should be in writing.

63 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:32:11pm

12 Year Old Shoots Home Intruder

BRYAN COUNTY, OK—A day off for fall break was anything but relaxing for a 12-year old Bryan County girl, when an intruder broke into her home on Michael Avenue.

Deputies say, the girl was home alone when a man she’d never seen before, rang the front doorbell. They say when no one answered the door, the man went around to the back of the house and kicked a door open. That’s when authorities say, the girl grabbed a gun and hid in a bathroom closet.

“He had worked his way all the way through the house and into the bathroom. And from what we understand, he was turning the doorknob when she fired through the door.” Says Bryan County Under sheriff, Ken Golden.

After the man was shot, The 12- year old ran out of the closet and called for help. Authorities say she kept her cool despite the potential danger. “She was very brave, she stayed on the phone with the dispatcher the whole time - talked all the way through it and was still on the phone with dispatch when we got into the house.” Says Golden.

Deputies tell KTEN, the man was taken by helicopter to a hospital in Plano, Texas and he’s expected to survive.

64 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:32:35pm

re: #61 engineer cat

yeah except that it was c++

eventually they made it all templates, but that wasn’t great either.

65 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:32:57pm

We won’t let the 600 people killed by guns this month ruin our party

if charles dickens was writing it the ghosts of the dead children would be hovering over the march drowning out the nra speeches

66 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:33:25pm

re: #61 engineer cat

Also even in assembler there’s never an excuse for having an unnamed offset.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:33:29pm

Repeat from yesterday. Gun Appreciation Day (GAD) is not enough time to express our admiration and our debt of gratitude for guns toward keeping America free and safe.

We need to make all of 2013 Gun Appreciation Year (GAY)

68 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:34:21pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

12 Year Old Shoots Home Intruder

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

69 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:34:43pm

re: #59 engineer cat

creating an hour-by-hour breakdown of everything we propose to do in the next two weeks

Oh fuck.

That’s impossible and it’s an insult to your intelligence to be asked to do it. I would quit.

70 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:36:34pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

It’s an implied non-sequitur. As if, those of us concerned about having high capacity weaponry in the hands of the public somehow also want to see little girls not being able o defend themselves.

71 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:37:16pm

re: #66 stabby

Also even in assembler there’s never an excuse for having an unnamed offset.

magic numbers

i have my compiler editor syntax highlighting set to display all numbers in red

72 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:38:34pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

I can deal with the concept of having guns to defend oneself at home.

problem comes when it comes to guns being carried in public ostensibly to defend other people. it takes a lot of training, experience, sound judgement and nerves of steel to pull a gun in a situation like that and not cause even more problems.

73 engineer cat  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:40:26pm

re: #69 stabby

creating an hour-by-hour breakdown of everything we propose to do in the next two weeks

Oh fuck.

That’s impossible and it’s an insult to your intelligence to be asked to do it. I would quit.

at this point in time, this is considered ”agile” and the process is at its apogee. it’s nearly universal

by the way, it also requires a parallel management team of ‘scrum masters’ to keep the pgmrs on track with it

that’s why i am wondering how long it will take for mgmt to figure out how much money they are tossing into the bonfire with this crapola, and kill it

74 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:40:27pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

We don’t know for a fact that things wouldn’t have worked out OK if she hadn’t had the gun. The intruder might have been scared off by the presence of anyone in the home. Having gone to the front door first, he thought the house was empty. Since the house obviously featured both front and back doors she might well have been able to simply leave by the front door when the back door was kicked in, and have called the police.

The fact that one person might have been saved by a gun is great for that one person, but looking at statistics that gun could easily have hurt or killed an innocent person as well.

75 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:42:39pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

I can understand your conflicted feeling. In my personal experience, I have this anecdote.

When I was 11, my folks trusted me enough to leave me at home alone while they went out to the Moose Lodge for an evening of whatever frivolity Moose Lodge members get up to. My father instructed me that if someone should break into the house, I was to:

a) procure his pistol (a .44 AutoMag)
b) call the police
c) hide
and
d) if the intruder happened upon me before five-oh arrived, if the intruder was unarmed, detain him at gunpoint until the police showed up or if the intruder was armed, shoot him.

My father taught me to shoot starting at the age of five. He himself was a superb marksman, and he passed those skills on to me by teaching me. I can honestly say that I knew what at “double-tap” was by the age of nine. I started off shooting with long rifles, then worked up to shotguns, then finally handguns.

I always knew where my father had his guns…..in his closet. I knew where the ammo was; also in the closet. I knew where the AutoMag was…in his nightstand. It never occurred to me once, in my youth or since, to pick up a gun and start blasting. That’s murder.

That’s from my experience. Your mileage may vary.

76 gwangung  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:43:26pm

re: #72 Sol Berdinowitz

I can deal with the concept of having guns to defend oneself at home.

problem comes when it comes to guns being carried in public ostensibly to defend other people. it takes a lot of training, experience, sound judgement and nerves of steel to pull a gun in a situation like that and not cause even more problems.

Precisely this. In the home, you KNOW all the variables (or should know). You have more control over the variable. You DON’T have that control out in the open or public….and too many gun advocates confuse the two situations.

77 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:46:40pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

That’s the way it should be and I hope that girl has smart parents like yours. It’s the guns accessible to kids don’t know how to use them properly that is a big problem involving accidents.

78 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:47:07pm

Nutbag radio personality Janet Mefferd upset with ‘politically correct’ West Point report:

79 Mattand  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:48:44pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

I’m glad she’s okay, and I have no sympathy for the intruder; but I think we have a new meme for the “All Americans must be armed to the teeth at all times” crowd.

I can think of three regulars here who are going to use this as their fallback story, and I consider them rational for the most part. I don’t even want to think about the Freepers, Tea Baggers, McVeigh wannabes, etc., will embrace this.

80 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:51:35pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

It was lucky he wasn’t able to turn the gun on her.

81 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:53:15pm

re: #73 engineer cat

1) I’m terrible at predicting how long it will take me to write something
2) I have a tendency to keep weighing different approaches (mostly to the unwritten parts) in my mind while I’m working and changing my mind often.
3) That doesn’t mean that I’m not a good programmer. I’ve gotten rather good at avoiding bugs.

82 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:54:32pm

re: #55 wrenchwench

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What was once the monopoly of the La Rouche crowd is now mainstream conservatism: Godwins.

83 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:55:05pm

re: #60 Lidane

[Embedded content]

“Gun Appreciation Day.” Or as I like to think of it, “White Peoples’ Day.” //

84 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:55:44pm

re: #79 Mattand

For every story like that there’s a half a dozen or more where someone gets hurt or dead. I’d like to see stats on how many people are saved by using their own gun in situations like this. I don’t know if the data has been gathered for that,but it would be interesting to know what the real numbers are for intruders stopped by the homeowner’s gun.

85 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:55:45pm

Dey tuk er jobs gunz!

86 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:56:02pm

re: #59 engineer cat

agile:
every two weeks our team must spend half a day creating an hour-by-hour breakdown of everything we propose to do in the next two weeks. we spend 20 minutes to an hour every morning accounting for every hour we spent the day before and discussing how we will spend every hour that day. when the actual tasks, inevitably, get out of synch with the ‘tickets’ we’ve created to predict our every move, there is wailing and gnashing of teeth

So you code the way my SIL tries to run her life. Have you been buying up stock in whoever makes Tums and does ulcer treatments?

87 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:56:27pm

re: #82 Gus

One of the losers at PJ Media threw the La Rouche epithet “little man” at me after being pwnd the other day. I thought to myself “are the Roaches going birth-racist etc now? Have they merged with the Birchers and tea party and GOP now? Thought they were left”

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:56:35pm

My mother tells me that she once scared off an intruder with a dog in our home by holding a gun-shaped piece of piping with a rag draped over it while standing at the end of a darkened hallway.

89 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:57:49pm

re: #49 engineer cat

here is the ‘agile manifesto’:

Individuals and interactions over processes and tools
Working software over comprehensive documentation
Customer collaboration over contract negotiation
Responding to change over following a plan

in practice, the agile process rules individuals, your every hour of work is subjected to comprehensive documentation, and, as you can see in the last point, the idea of having anything so old fashioned as a ‘plan’ is looked on with disdain

Agile process is designed more for the QA/Testing phase than for the programming side, because it allows for greater flexibility than a static process does, which is invaluable for eliminating software defects.

90 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:07pm

re: #67 Sol Berdinowitz

Repeat from yesterday. Gun Appreciation Day (GAD) is not enough time to express our admiration and our debt of gratitude for guns toward keeping America free and safe.

We need to make all of 2013 Gun Appreciation Year (GAY)

re: #83 Gus

“Gun Appreciation Day.” Or as I like to think of it, “White Peoples’ Day.” //

I didn’t get a chance to see if anyone else thought about this in the other “Gun Appreciation Day” threads, but I think that the timing of this is awfully suspect, considering who’s signed on as sponsors.

I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that it was set by these people to be two days before this year’s observance of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

91 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:21pm
92 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:25pm

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

That’s the way it should be and I hope that girl had smart parents like yours. It’s the guns accessible to kids don’t know how to use them properly that is a big problem involving accidents.

Now, let me tell you (and all other lizards) the story of how I learned guns aren’t toys.

Prior to letting me actually handle a real firearm, my father arranged with a buddy of his, Al, to take a little tour of the L.A. County Morgue (mind you, this was in the 70s when things were a little…..wackier). Al worked there as an M.E. So, Al and my dad showed me five corpses of people who had died of firearms injuries; homicide, accidental death, of course suicide, and a little kid about my age who took it in the head from a .12 gauge.

After I finished puking and crying, I had a lot of respect for what a firearm can do the human body. And I’ve always treated them accordingly. You can argue my father perhaps needlessly traumatized me….however, I would call it a valuable and instructive lesson. When a person sees what a firearm can do, the sheer damage a bullet can wreak, that person will never, ever forget that memory, and consequently be far less likely to use a firearm in an inappropriate fashion in the future.

That’s the dark side of firearms instruction - seeing the consequences with your own eyes of what death by the gun looks like. And once you’ve seen it, I can assure, you will never forget it.

93 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:35pm

re: #75 Dr Lizardo

My father taught me to shoot starting at the age of five. He himself was a superb marksman, and he passed those skills on to me by teaching me. I can honestly say that I knew what at “double-tap” was by the age of nine. I started off shooting with long rifles, then worked up to shotguns, then finally handguns.

The little girl in this case, it was her first time firing a weapon.

94 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:36pm
95 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:39pm

re: #84 A Mom Anon

For every story like that there’s a half a dozen or more where someone gets hurt or dead. I’d like to see stats on how many people are saved by using their own gun in situations like this. I don’t know if the data has been gathered for that,but it would be interesting to know what the real numbers are for intruders stopped by the homeowner’s gun.

Stats are very hard come by in this area since it is often said that “the suspicious-looking guy suspected/saw that I had a gun so the crime never was even begun.” Impossible to prove or disprove.

96 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:52pm
97 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:53pm

The idea that you have to preplan your time precludes the idea that the problem will become clearer while you’re working on it, and you’ll come up with a better approach.

If programming iterative on the level of weeks, so is thinking and so is working on the level of hours and minutes.

98 Mattand  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:58:56pm

Speaking of guns:

I was going to go all Mr. Burns and ask him if there were any Bolsheviks hiding under his chamber pot, but I should probably end this. Arguing with armed crazy people isn’t probably a good idea.

99 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:59:13pm

re: #88 Sol Berdinowitz

And one of my great great great grandfathers died young as a result of a shotgun accident.

There are no end of gun stories in America because guns are ubiquitous, and there exists a gun story for just about any purpose.

100 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 12:59:23pm

re: #90 TedStriker

I didn’t get a chance to see if anyone else thought about this in the other “Gun Appreciation Day” threads, but I think that the timing of this is awfully suspect, considering who’s signed on as sponsors.

I don’t think that it’s a coincidence that it was set by these people to be two days before this year’s observance of Martin Luther King Jr. Day.

… and the inauguration.

101 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:01:04pm

… the idea that time is documented rather than code, apis, algorithms, uses of code, plans to expand code is a mere insult

They’re not trying to make code that can be finished, they’re trying to make you prove that you’re not cheating them by sleeping, listening to music or masturbating in your cubicle.

102 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:01:53pm

re: #100 kirkspencer

… and the inauguration.

That’s a feature too, not a bug.

103 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:03:00pm

re: #98 Mattand

Speaking of guns:

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I was going to go all Mr. Burns and ask him if there were any Bolsheviks hiding under his chamber pot, but I should probably end this. Arguing with armed crazy people isn’t probably a good idea.

Better dead than red!

/Frank Burns

104 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:03:09pm

re: #93 Shvaughn

The little girl in this case, it was her first time firing a weapon.

The family has a loaded gun lying around? What could possibly go wrong?
And if there are any doubts about the judgement of 12 year olds-someone is breaking into the house and she calls her parents, not 911.

105 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:03:34pm

re: #102 TedStriker

That’s a feature too, not a bug.

Considering when the idea started getting kicked around, I suspect it is actually the primary reason. The MLK connection is the bonus feature.

106 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:04:30pm

Ok, here’s a clip from AlJazeera (yes, I know) that looks into one little corner of what is happening in Syria:

Syrians decimate forests to survive winter

The story is nominally about deforestation ( a problem that is itself of great importance), but it covers more than that. In the last segment the reporter covers how this little village is trying to fend off government forces, and shows the weaponry the village has.

It would seem to be an argument in favor of the gun nuts and their “appreciation” of weapons, but then one has to scrutinize exactly what those weapons the Syrian villagers are trying to use - rockets and rocket launchers. That’s because real military these days are not afraid of hand guns or rifles (even automatic). When militaries have armored personnel carriers and aircraft any citizen with a little gun is not going to be able to fend off said government.

107 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:04:57pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

Meh!

When the Islamists in London put on a celebration of Islam, they held it on 7/7 the actual anniversary of the London bus bombing.

That’s the gold standard. Two days before is very timid indeed.

108 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:05:12pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

Considering when the idea started getting kicked around, I suspect it is actually the primary reason. The MLK connection is the bonus feature.

Yeah, I could see that.

RWNJs like this are fucked in the head.

109 gwangung  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:06:00pm

re: #95 calochortus

Stats are very hard come by in this area since it is often said that “the suspicious-looking guy suspected/saw that I had a gun so the crime never was even begun.” Impossible to prove or disprove.

And the NRA has been trying to suppress any such research.

110 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:06:02pm

re: #99 freetoken

And one of my great great great grandfathers died young as a result of a shotgun accident.

There are no end of gun stories in America because guns are ubiquitous, and there exists a gun story for just about any purpose.

That was in Gary, Indiana in 1969. At a time when we used to leave our doors unlocked, some fellow wandered in.

We learned to start locking our doors.

111 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:06:49pm

re: #109 gwangung

And the NRA has been trying to suppress any such research.

QFT

112 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:06:56pm

re: #68 Shvaughn

I’m kind of conflicted about this story. I’m glad the girl is okay and that things worked out for her, but I am also sort of concerned that a 12 year old has that easy of access to a gun.

But if she didn’t, things wouldn’t have worked out okay.

Thoughts, fellow lizards?

Insufficient details if you think it through.

Had the girl been trained at all about home defense by her parents?
How was the weapon secured, and what kind of weapon was it? (note that the article did not specify it was a pistol, shotgun, etc.)
Would the child have been better off fleeing the house and seeking assistance rather than hiding in a closet with a gun?

It’s also unclear whether the intruder suspected there was anyone in the house, therefore if he actually encountered the girl, the result could have simply been him fleeing.

113 andres  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:07:18pm

re: #53 engineer cat

iterative development is what i have been doing for 27 years

one of the biggest lies promoted by agile is that the only alternative to agile is waterfall or cowboys

the last time i encountered anybody stupid enough to attempt waterfall was in about the year of 1996

For me, the last time I saw the waterfall method was on my last year of Computer Engineering (2005). The professor that lectured the Software Engineering class swore by waterfall, and we had to make our projects following that methodology. My project in particular was going to be a great FUBAR if it was done following the waterfall method, because, more due to our curiosity, we found out we didn’t have the expertise to complete the project because it required a very expensive library[1] to make it work. When we argued that we had to add this to the expectations, the professor said that it wasn’t necessary at that stage. That when we’d gotten to implementation (!!!), then we’d have to go back and amend everything to include this.

I personally didn’t like his “solution”. It was going to inflate the costs, everyone will be blind-sighted, and we’d lose valuable time learning the library. Plus having to go over the gazillion pages of documentation to force this in.

——
[1] IIRC, the license was over $1,000. It was really worth every penny tho.

114 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:07:36pm

re: #96 Gus

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Wait, how can the Second Amendment have a gravestone if it will never die?

115 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:08:06pm

re: #114 Shvaughn

Wait, how can the Second Amendment have a gravestone if it will never die?

Paranoia never sleeps.

116 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:09:02pm

Obama gets to eat cake made by a celebrity chef:

“Ace of Cakes” bakes the Obama inauguration cake

But what about your children? Shouldn’t you and your children also get to eat cakes made by famous bakers?

How elitist of the Obamas.

117 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:09:05pm

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Insufficient details if you think it through.

Had the girl been trained at all about home defense by her parents?
How was the weapon secured, and what kind of weapon was it? (note that the article did not specify it was a pistol, shotgun, etc.)
Would the child have been better off fleeing the house and seeking assistance rather than hiding in a closet with a gun?

It’s also unclear whether the intruder suspected there was anyone in the house, therefore if he actually encountered the girl, the result could have simply been him fleeing.

There’s more details elsewhere. The gun was apparently somewhere the daughter could get at it, and she hadn’t ever been trained to use it. It was a .40 caliber Glock.

118 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:09:21pm

re: #104 calochortus

The family has a loaded gun lying around? What could possibly go wrong?
And if there are any doubts about the judgement of 12 year olds-someone is breaking into the house and she calls her parents, not 911.

Hell, the story is from October.

119 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:10:18pm

re: #118 Stan the Demanded Plan

Hell, the story is from October.

The Second Amendment was not under attack in October, Obama was still running for President and concealing his agenda.

/

120 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:10:38pm

re: #81 stabby

1) I’m terrible at predicting how long it will take me to write something
2) I have a tendency to keep weighing different approaches (mostly to the unwritten parts) in my mind while I’m working and changing my mind often.
3) That doesn’t mean that I’m not a good programmer. I’ve gotten rather good at avoiding bugs.

You can have your code good, cheap, or quickly. Pick two.
;)

121 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:10:56pm

re: #113 andres

heh heh, so his plan was “manipulate management and spring costs on them later”

That method was too advanced for students. You weren’t cynical enough and experienced enough to know that they screw you all the time, you have to screw them back occasionally. :p

122 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:14:09pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

I really like what i said above. Agile sounds wrong because it says “iterative” but doesn’t trust iterative processes to happen DURING actual coding rather than DURING MEETINGS

It’s still “plan everything to excess before hand” but in smaller chunks

I think iterative should be bottom up, and “document everything to death as you check it in”. Planning in meetings is good, I’ve seen people refuse to do that and cripple projects but it should be less extreme than described.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:14:51pm

re: #93 Shvaughn

The little girl in this case, it was her first time firing a weapon.

Seeing that I see some of my earlier questions answered. And also think she was damn lucky - and that her mother was an idiot for telling her to get the gun and hide rather than telling her to go out the front door and get shelter while the mother called the police.

124 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:15:00pm

re: #112 Feline Fearless Leader

Insufficient details if you think it through.

Had the girl been trained at all about home defense by her parents?
How was the weapon secured, and what kind of weapon was it? (note that the article did not specify it was a pistol, shotgun, etc.)
Would the child have been better off fleeing the house and seeking assistance rather than hiding in a closet with a gun?

It’s also unclear whether the intruder suspected there was anyone in the house, therefore if he actually encountered the girl, the result could have simply been him fleeing.

From that and the other articles I’ve seen:
No, she wasn’t trained in home defense by her parents.
The weapon, a Glock 40, was in the parents’ bedroom in an unlocked location.
Given she called her parents after he’d broken in, I’d suggest trying to flee wasn’t in the options. Mom’s the one who told her to grab the gun and hide in the closet.

I’ve got some niggling concerns about this, but will wait to see what develops.

125 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:16:38pm

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

Seeing that I see some of my earlier questions answered. And also think she was damn lucky - and that here mother was an idiot for telling her to get the gun and hide rather than telling her to go out the front door and get shelter while the mother called the police.

I agree. If the guy was breaking in the back door, she probably should have run out the front door.

126 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:16:55pm

re: #91 Gus

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That hammer’s unsafe, the head’s on upside down.

127 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:16:57pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

Considering when the idea started getting kicked around, I suspect it is actually the primary reason. The MLK connection is the bonus feature.

Also agreed. This feels like an attempt to get a big chunk of the nation as amped up on hate as the nut jobs were in Dallas, 1962.

128 Shvaughn  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:18:16pm

re: #124 kirkspencer

I’ve got some niggling concerns about this, but will wait to see what develops.

It probably won’t “develop” any, it’s a story from last year.

129 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:18:20pm

Ok, I’m out to get breakfast

130 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:19:05pm

re: #120 Feline Fearless Leader

You can have your code good, cheap, or quickly. Pick two.
;)

In bicycles, it’s, ‘Strong, light, or cheap. Pick two.’

131 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:22:34pm

re: #128 Shvaughn

It probably won’t “develop” any, it’s a story from last year.

Yeah, I noticed that after I posted. And when I went digging, I ran across stuff I recalled.

This is the girl in Oklahoma who was on the phone with dispatch when she shot the intruder. At the time the flogging was about how she shot because police hadn’t gotten to the scene yet.

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:22:54pm

re: #130 wrenchwench

In bicycles, it’s, ‘Strong, light, or cheap. Pick two.’

Back in the 80s had a friend who I biked with now and then. Since he was 6’ 4” and sort of hefty he had a heavier frame bicycle that weighed a ton. I also noticed that the bike my niece used when she was 9 weighed as much as the bicycle I rode (a Cannondale M300 from 1995 or so.)

I started paying more attention to bicycle weight after I had to start hauling them up and down a few flights of stairs to use. ;)

133 webevintage  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:23:10pm

re: #63 NJDhockeyfan

and if they had had a dog he would have never even gone though the back door.

134 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:23:12pm

re: #81 stabby

1) I’m terrible at predicting how long it will take me to write something
2) I have a tendency to keep weighing different approaches (mostly to the unwritten parts) in my mind while I’m working and changing my mind often.
3) That doesn’t mean that I’m not a good programmer. I’ve gotten rather good at avoiding bugs.

That was me when I was a programmer. But the “I don’t care if it’s good! Have it ready by Tuesday!” crowd generally ran the companies I worked for. Then of course it was my fault the program was buggy.

Eventually I couldn’t get a job because I couldn’t get a reference.

So I left the field. Too bad. I liked computer programming.

135 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:24:53pm

re: #133 webevintage

Heeeeeey!!!

136 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:26:05pm

re: #76 gwangung

Precisely this. In the home, you KNOW all the variables (or should know). You have more control over the variable. You DON’T have that control out in the open or public….and too many gun advocates confuse the two situations.

Especially when idiots enact stand your ground laws that encourage vigilante wannabes to act out their fantasies with lethal results in public.

137 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:30:33pm

re: #116 freetoken

Ace of Cakes sounds like a name for an Ace of Spades parody site

138 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:33:54pm

re: #134 Romantic Heretic

Start a business with another good programmer and avoid having bosses that can’t handle software development and derpy co-workers who mess up the code.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:34:09pm

OT: But I think some Lizards might find this interesting.

I was digging through some boxes sorting out a closet and came across some old jewelry. Some of it mine, but some obviously my father’s or more likely grandfather’s. Took some pictures and figured I would post a few just for discussion - and possible identification since my jewelry knowledge is minimal and I figure some of this stuff is “rose gold” or something like that.

First:
Image: Cameo_ring_front.jpg

Image: Cameo_ring_back.jpg

140 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:34:52pm

I have a business that’s sort of failing through lack of advertising (a fixable problem)… I may start a programming one too >.>

141 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:35:37pm

ok that food i mentioned…

142 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:36:04pm

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

OT: But I think some Lizards might find this interesting.

I was digging through some boxes sorting out a closet and came across some old jewelry. Some of it mine, but some obviously my father’s or more likely grandfather’s. Took some pictures and figured I would post a few just for discussion - and possible identification since my jewelry knowledge is minimal and I figure some of this stuff is “rose gold” or something like that.

First:
Image: Cameo_ring_front.jpg

Image: Cameo_ring_back.jpg

Pretty cool!!

143 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:38:00pm

re: #137 dragonath

Quick, intrepid programmers, whip up a cake with a couple of bread knives and a skull on the front of it.

144 andres  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:40:04pm

re: #121 stabby

heh heh, so his plan was “manipulate management and spring costs on them later”

That method was too advanced for students. You weren’t cynical enough and experienced enough to know that they screw you all the time, you have to screw them back occasionally. :p

That’s something I learned later. ;-)

But still, it left me a bad taste, because, theoretically speaking, I was going to be blind-sighted about this issue until at least the implementation. Identifying the core issue early (the need of an expensive and complicated library) had several benefits for me: getting the team to start learning the tool early without the “OMG!!1 WE HAVE A DEADLINE TO MEET!!1” pressure on us, securing the money for the library ahead of time, and have an understanding that there may be additional issues.

There are ways to screw back if needed, but holding back on researching the needed tools is unnecessary.

145 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:42:03pm

re: #144 andres

There are ways to screw back if needed, but holding back on researching the needed tools is unnecessary.

Everything that people do wrong is unnecessary. But most of what people do is wrong, regardless.

146 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:44:01pm

Jewelry continued:

Turquoise ring and tie tack that I know belonged to my maternal grandfather. They retired to Arizona around 1970 or so.

Image: Turquoise_Ring_front.jpg

Image: Turquoise_Ring_back.jpg

Image: Turquoise_tie_tack.jpg

147 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:44:28pm

re: #139 Feline Fearless Leader

Very nice. Does the ring have any marks (i.e. 14k) on the inside of the band? From the pictures it looks like a stone cameo.

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:47:36pm

re: #147 PhillyPretzel

Very nice. Does the ring have any marks (i.e. 14k) on the inside of the band? From the pictures it looks like a stone cameo.

I thought that’s what they got when Keith Richards appeared in Pirates of the Carribean part III

(har har)

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:49:15pm

re: #147 PhillyPretzel

Very nice. Does the ring have any marks (i.e. 14k) on the inside of the band? From the pictures it looks like a stone cameo.

Checked and it and another ring (not yet shown) have “14K” markings. Hard for me to read!

150 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:52:10pm

re: #149 Feline Fearless Leader

That is okay. If I recall D Atlas is still on Sansom St. They are very reliable appraisers (they have GIA certification). They can identify and give you a dollar value for insurance purposes.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:52:31pm

Another couple of rings. One is a plain silver band that I suspect is a rhodium plated white gold band that was probably my grandfather’s. The other one I am not sure who it belonged to.

Image: Plain_Band.jpg

Image: D_Ring_front.jpg

Image: D_Ring_back.jpg

Aside: My knowledge on the jewelry and such and pretty minimal since I do not wear any. Minimal use of tie tacks and lapel pins and beyond that pretty much nothing.

152 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:55:01pm

re: #150 PhillyPretzel

[Link: www.datlasestates.com…]

D Atlas and Co.

153 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:56:13pm

re: #17 jaunte

Dixie Gun and Knife and Wound Show

Accidental shooting at Raleigh gun show

If armed people keeps you safe why are they disarmed at gun shows? Don’t the gun dealers feel safe with all those armed people?

154 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:56:36pm

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

The initial ring does have what appears to be a mark on the inside. I cannot make it out from the photo.

155 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:57:36pm
156 jaunte  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:57:40pm

re: #153 Destro

It’s a gunundrum.

157 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:58:10pm

And last a few oddities. Lapel pins and a penny with a readily identified design impressed into it.

Image: Lightning_bolt_lapel_pin.jpg

Image: Gold_and_blue_pin.jpg

Image: masonic_penny_-_1.jpg

All my grandfather’s I believe. The blue and gold pin is probably Masonic. Not sure what the lightning bolt lapel pin was symbolic of.

158 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:58:32pm
159 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:59:14pm
160 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 1:59:33pm

BTW, if you do a reverse image search on the Breitbart stock image, it’s a useful way to see how (and where) the story spread virally through the internet.

Sites like:

“Tea Party Tribune”
“Secrets of the Fed”
“Black and Right”

That’ll show the MSM

161 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:01:39pm

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

Interesting. I sold jewelry many years ago. I do recognize that the rose gold (copper is used in the smelting process) and the stone cameo. They do look very interesting. That is why I suggested D Atlas.

162 Destro  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:05:20pm

re: #159 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Regarding blacks and slaves - I am pretty sure the slaves brought to America were those that were defeated in wars where guns were used in Africa. In fact gun trades fueled the slave trade.

163 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:07:35pm

Look where else this story got linked

“Radical Survivalism Webzine”

Holy shit, look at THAT site

Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. I mean there are many things wrong there, and first reports are fast disappearing. The narrative is being changed. Look, there is something wrong with Sandy Hook, but if you write it, you’ll be called a kook or worse.

But Sandy Hook, there’s something very wrong there. But I am hearing that won’t be the final straw. There will be another if they think it’s necessary.

…and the NRA logo in the sponsor sidebar! Is that for real?

164 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:13:32pm

re: #163 dragonath

Facts are completely irrelevant. The only things that matter are what they can get a sufficient number of people to believe.

This is deeply ironic, since right wingers that are familiar with the post-modern critique of objectivity completely reject it, while by their actions they completely deny reality on a scale undreamed of in philosophy.

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:16:11pm

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

And last a few oddities. Lapel pins and a penny with a readily identified design impressed into it.

Image: Lightning_bolt_lapel_pin.jpg

Image: Gold_and_blue_pin.jpg

Image: masonic_penny_-_1.jpg

All my grandfather’s I believe. The blue and gold pin is probably Masonic. Not sure what the lightning bolt lapel pin was symbolic of.

Ah ha!
Lightning Bolt pin is the 78th Infantry Division insignia.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

My grandfather was a Sgt in the 309th Infantry in that division in World War I.

166 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:18:31pm

re: #163 dragonath

Yes. Count on the criminalization to possess just about every gun you can think of. Not only restrictions, but actual criminalization of possessing a banned firearm. I heard this directly from the highest of my sources. Plans were made in the 90′s but were withheld. Now, it’s a new day, a new time, and they are riding the wave of emotion from Sandy Hook., which, by the way and as tragic as it was, well, it stinks to high heaven. (bolding mine)

His sources are high? That explains a lot.

167 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:19:30pm

re: #157 Feline Fearless Leader

And last a few oddities. Lapel pins and a penny with a readily identified design impressed into it.

Image: Lightning_bolt_lapel_pin.jpg

Image: Gold_and_blue_pin.jpg

Image: masonic_penny_-_1.jpg

All my grandfather’s I believe. The blue and gold pin is probably Masonic. Not sure what the lightning bolt lapel pin was symbolic of.

The gold and blue pin is girl scouts. It’s a “World Trefoil” pin.

168 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:22:02pm

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

Ah ha!
Lightning Bolt pin is the 78th Infantry Division insignia.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

My grandfather was a Sgt in the 309th Infantry in that division in World War I.

re: #167 kirkspencer

The gold and blue pin is girl scouts. It’s a “World Trefoil” pin.

Was your grandfather a Girl Scout too?

169 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:23:24pm
170 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:23:31pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

re: #167 kirkspencer

Was your grandfather a Girl Scout too?

Hehehe. Given that identification that would make that pin my mother’s. That it got mixed in with my maternal grandfather’s pins and such does not surprise me.

Silly me, assuming a connection between the Masons and the Girl Scouts…
;)

171 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:24:23pm
172 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:25:54pm

re: #171 Stan the Demanded Plan

Duh. How else are you supposed to show your appreciation on Gun Appreciation Day? They were just being festive, not stupid.

///

173 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:29:06pm

re: #166 calochortus

Ha. Well, I didn’t realize that story came from an even deeper well of crazy.

The gold ticker. Israeli flag GIFs. The Gadsen flag. And a complete and utter contempt of muslims!

Still, I’m curious about that first site- does the NRA really sponsor those guys or are they just trying to look good?

174 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:30:20pm

Oh look. Another accident.

175 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:30:59pm

re: #173 dragonath

One hates to even think about that. I used to be pretty neutral about the NRA, but lately they’ve been pretty eager to let everyone know they’re batshit crazy.

176 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:32:10pm

re: #174 Gus

You just know all these incidents are a false flag operation by the Obama administration, right?

177 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:33:23pm

re: #176 freetoken

You just know all these incidents are a false flag operation by the Obama administration, right?

Pretty much.

178 Four More Tears  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:34:10pm

re: #176 freetoken

You just know all these incidents are a false flag operation by the Obama administration, right?

Actors!

179 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:35:17pm

re: #173 dragonath

I just took a look at the site and I’m guessing the NRA is not a sponsor (as much as the person running the site wishes they were) The ads for food and such say they are sponsors and the NRA logo doesn’t-although it is a link.

180 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:35:19pm

WTF, Buck?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

181 calochortus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:37:42pm

I suppose I’d better go get something done. Later, all.

182 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:38:54pm

re: #179 calochortus

Yeah, it’s hard to tell because his sponsor link is broken up into 3 pieces. I’d hate to say, but it wouldn’t really surprise me either. They’ve been cultivating this audience for years now.

183 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:39:16pm

OFFS. My idiot sister just posted some dumbass “joke” on her Facebook page about Obama being visited in his dreams by 3 past presidents. Obama asks each one what he could do to make the country better. Washington tells him to always be honest. Jefferson tells him to study and follow the Constitution and Lincoln tells him to spend the evening at the theater. Hahaha, so very fucking hilarious. She’s also on a tear about guns. Um, she has MS and cannot handle a gun, she’s NEVER owned a firearm.

Yeah, but I’m the family asshole. Nice. I am seriously afraid of Obama being assassinated by one of these fucking morons in DC for the weekend to “protect their gun rights”. I know he has top notch protection,but shit, these people have lost their fucking minds entirely.

184 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:47:24pm

UPDATED: 4 People Shot At 3 Different Gun Shows On Gun Appreciation Day

Two similar incidents occurred at entirely separate gun shows in the Midwest, one in the Cleveland suburb of Medina, Ohio and the other at the state fairgrounds in Indianapolis, Indiana. In Ohio, the local ABC affiliate reports that one individual was brought to a hospital by EMS, and in Indiana Channel 8 WISH says that an individual shot himself in the hand while trying to reload his gun in the show parking lot. That brings the tally to 4 victims of gun violence so far at three different gun shows during the country’s first Gun Appreciation Day.

Morons.

185 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:47:49pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

WTF, Buck?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I think it’s pretty damn clear that Buck just doesn’t give a fuck anymore; I think he’s just angling for a particular flavor of martyr cookie at this point.

Buck is just gonna have to try harder, because I think Charles is keeping him around like cats that play with mice they catch.

186 Tigger2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:50:08pm

re: #184 Varek Raith

UPDATED: 4 People Shot At 3 Different Gun Shows On Gun Appreciation Day

Morons.

I sure feel a lot safer with all those responsible gun owners around. /

187 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:50:46pm

re: #186 Tigger2

I sure feel a lot safer with all those responsible gun owners around./

This comment made me chuckle;

The Right Wing: Constantly demonstrating the need for Gun control in the name of SAFETY…

188 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:55:16pm

re: #174 Gus

Oh look. Another accident.

[Embedded content]

He was walking back to his car, was loading his semi-automatic pistol and accidentally shot himself in the hand, Varner says.

Parking lots, where terrorists dwell.

189 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:57:09pm

re: #174 Gus

Oh look. Another accident.

[Embedded content]

These are the type of idiots who should never own a gun.

190 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:57:48pm

Haw haw!
[Link: www.newschannel5.com…]

191 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 2:59:28pm

Chappell Hill bank welcomes concealed handguns

“We’ve been robbed five times,” said Smith, “All of them by Yankees.”


By the baseball team or War of Northern Agressioners???
/Facepalm.

192 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:00:39pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

These are the type of idiots who should never own a gun.

Last night I was watching a video of some guy that modified the trigger mechanism on his Glock to make it easier to fire. In this video he takes the Glock from his holster and drops it to the ground twice just to show that his modification still provides the Glock safety feature. Anyway, the gun didn’t go off the two times he dropped it. It was loaded with live ammo. Another accident waiting to happen.

193 kirkspencer  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:01:55pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Chappell Hill bank welcomes concealed handguns


By the baseball team or War of Northern Agressioners???
/Facepalm.

No true southerner?

194 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:03:10pm
195 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:05:14pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Chappell Hill bank welcomes concealed handguns


By the baseball team or War of Northern Agressioners???
/Facepalm.

What? They wore blue uniforms?

196 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:06:53pm

Typical day for gun nuts: guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.

197 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:07:00pm

How is the evening going?

198 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:07:33pm

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

How is the evening going?

I’m at work till 2200, so there’s that.

199 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:08:28pm

re: #196 Gus

If the Vikings had had guns they could have gotten all the spam they wanted!
/

200 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:09:55pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

That guy should really invest in a nice precision level. I was totally expecting the second shell to fire after it rolled off like the first one.

I guess we can thank dopes like this for first hand documentation of their stupidity.

201 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:11:00pm

re: #196 Gus

I thought it was guns, guns, fap, fap, MOAR GUNZ!, Aaahhh.

202 sattv4u2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:11:13pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

…to anybody at random without a background check…

I’ve stated here a number of times I would like to see that “loophole” closed

Always have!

203 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:11:42pm

re: #198 TedStriker

I’m at work till 2200, so there’s that.

Congrats on having work!

:)

ggt, trying to be positive

204 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:11:58pm

re: #199 Feline Fearless Leader

If the Vikings had had guns they could have gotten all the spam they wanted!
/

But still couldn’t win a playoff game.
/

205 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:12:48pm

I am an object and a person?

how does that work?

206 Ming  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:13:04pm

For years, I’ve heard of Sidwell Friends as the place where the wealthy and powerful send their kids to school. Dan and Marilyn Quayle sent their kids there. In terms of wealth and political power, we can say that the Sidwell Friends parents, many of them, are in the upper 1% or .1% or whatever. In the wake of the recent arguments about armed guards in the schools, are these Sidwell Friends parents clamoring for Sidwell to hire armed guards? If they are, they’ve been awfully quiet about it; I haven’t noticed anything in the news.

Could it be that these powerful, connected people are happy with Sidwell as it is today, with no armed guards? I have to wonder if some of these parents are also Republican politicians.

I wonder what these Sidwell parents think of Sheriff Joe Arpaio and his armed volunteers in the Arizona schools. I suspect they’re glad their kids aren’t there.

207 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:15:42pm

re: #206 Ming

For years, I’ve heard of Sidwell Friends as the place where the wealthy and powerful send their kids to school. Dan and Marilyn Quayle sent their kids there. In terms of wealth and political power, we can say that the Sidwell Friends parents, many of them, are in the upper 1% or .1% or whatever. In the wake of the recent arguments about armed guards in the schools, are these Sidwell Friends parents clamoring for Sidwell to hire armed guards? If they are, they’ve been awfully quiet about it; I haven’t noticed anything in the news.

Could it be that these powerful, connected people are happy with Sidwell as it is today, with no armed guards? I have to wonder if some of these parents are also Republican politicians.

considering the amount of Secret Service attention the facility gets, armed guards are probably not needed. I’m not sure where Sidwell is located. I do know that the Secret Service takes responsibility for a large are of the D.C area.

208 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:15:57pm

re: #196 Gus

Typical day for gun nuts: guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns, guns.

Sadly the start code doesn’t work. The part I meant was at 2 minutes 40 seconds

209 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:16:38pm

re: #188 dragonath

Parking lots, where terrorists dwell.

Parking lots can be dangerous places.

210 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:16:54pm

re: #206 Ming

Sidwell Friends is a Quaker school, so armed guards are probably not something they’d consider.

211 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:17:02pm

Nope the time code fails. I tried to get it start at 2 min 40 sec

212 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:17:12pm

Lizards, one and all, in honor of Gun Appreciation Day, I ask you to behold the proud defenders of ‘Merica!

These are the people who are going to defend us against the evil tyrant currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. These are the noble Patriots standing tall for freedom and liberty! These are the fearless men and women of the 101st Chairborne Division.

These are the “real ‘Mericans”!

WOLVERINES!1!!

213 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:21:24pm

re: #211 stabby

Nope the time code fails. I tried to get it start at 2 min 40 sec

You have to use seconds so it should be &start=280

Edit: Oops. 120 + 40 or 160 seconds. Derp.

214 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:21:59pm

re: #213 Gus

You have to use seconds so it should be &start=280

What happens if the time code doesn’t fail?

215 Tigger2  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:22:28pm

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Lizards, one and all, in honor of Gun Appreciation Day, I ask you to behold the proud defenders of ‘Merica!

[Embedded content]

These are the people who are going to defend us against the evil tyrant currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. These are the noble Patriots standing tall for freedom and liberty! These are the fearless men and women of the 101st Chairborne Division.

These are the “real ‘Mericans”!

Well I see how they could be affective you would be laughing at them to hard to shoot back. lol

216 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:22:42pm

Note what I linked above, that CEO of a tactical training company who said he’d start murdering people if they took his guns away got his handgun license suspended for that.

They were uhm safer but less effective in that they merely emailed him that he no longer has a license rather than show up and take the guns. So he still has the guns he promised he’d kill everyone with if they messed with him..

Can’t someone go to jail for saying that he’d will kill policemen who try to make him comply with the law?

They may be wise for avoiding the confrontation, but it’s still not justice

217 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:22:52pm

Oops. 120 + 40 or 160 seconds. Derp.

218 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:22:54pm

re: #212 Dr Lizardo

Lizards, one and all, in honor of Gun Appreciation Day, I ask you to behold the proud defenders of ‘Merica!

[Embedded content]

These are the people who are going to defend us against the evil tyrant currently residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. These are the noble Patriots standing tall for freedom and liberty! These are the fearless men and women of the 101st Chairborne Division.

These are the “real ‘Mericans”!

That is one huge pile of stupidity. Unreal. (I disagree that it’s filed under comedy)

Especially the people who cannot HOLD their gun correctly.

This is what the gun culture is.

219 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:24:14pm

re: #213 Gus

I did it properly and it works as a link in firefox.

It’s just that the embed in little green footballs DOESN’T start at the embed point. I think the code is stripped off
I used #t=160s

220 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:25:02pm
221 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:25:27pm

re: #217 Gus

ah lgf can handle it as &t instead of #t

222 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:26:12pm

I’m fine with realpolitik but I really wish someone would eventually forgo this unnecessary and gross ritual.
For top donors, inauguration means access, influence and angling for next big job

This year, the sky’s the limit on gifts, corporations are good people and the official roster of donors won’t include addresses or amounts for up to 90 days. The list includes companies such as AT&T, Microsoft and Southern Co., a utility that says it gave $100,000. Individual supporters include donors such as Irwin Jacobs, founder of the tech company Qualcomm, who had already given more than $2 million to groups supporting Obama.

Administration officials have said the loosened donation rules were designed to reach out to businesses whose executives felt spurned in the first term and to ease pressure on Democratic donors who feel squeezed dry after the campaign. After the inaugural celebration’s expenses are paid, the remaining money could be used for an Obama foundation that would support his presidential library and other projects after he leaves office.

“It is just the wrong thing to do,” said Fred Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, a nonprofit group that pushes for transparency in government and campaign finance reform. “This is symbolic of doing business as usual in Washington, from an administration that has said it did not want to follow that path. It doesn’t make sense.”

Is there really a need to do this? I can’t think of one.

223 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:26:14pm

which it thinks is a twitter hashtag. facepalm

224 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:26:52pm

re: #221 stabby

ah lgf can handle it as &t instead of #t

Yeah. It’s “&start=time” with time in seconds. I tried the one from YT here before and it didn’t work.

225 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:30:46pm

Well, I guess even the Dali Lama don’t fly coach. So it goes.

226 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:32:28pm

re: #215 Tigger2

re: #218 Stan the Demanded Plan

I was laughing watching that video. These are the fearless Patriots? The defenders of hearth and home, the representatives of “Real America”? Gimme a break. These imbeciles would be slaughtered en masse in a firefight with a mere SWAT team. An Al-Qaeda combat unit would cut them to pieces in short order.

These are the people who are going to “restore America to her Constitutional principles”?

Yeah, right. Delusional nutcases who’ve seen “Red Dawn” one too many times.

227 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:34:15pm

That video reminds PJ media had an article the other day where they had some expert explain that mass murderers don’t come from the sort of background that conservatives like to blame on everything. They’re not disadvantaged, not black, not from single parents families. Oh the mystery.

Conservatives really are obsessed with blaming everything on sluts and blacks and trying to get everyone who isn’t white and rich to stop breeding.

… anyway their theory was that mass murderers and serial killers have something emotionally or mentally wrong, and if they WERE black or something they’d act out in smaller ways when they were kids and end up in jail as troublemakers instead of stewing under good conditions till they go off all at once.

:/

228 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:36:55pm

i don’t link the site for the pictures, really. I find the articles interesting.

229 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:38:25pm

re: #227 stabby

That video reminds PJ media had an article the other day where they had some expert explain that mass murderers don’t come from the sort of background that conservatives like to blame on everything. They’re not disadvantaged, not black, not from single parents families. Oh the mystery.

Conservatives really are obsessed with blaming everything on sluts and blacks and trying to get everyone who isn’t white and rich to stop breeding.

… anyway their theory was that mass murderers and serial killers have something emotionally or mentally wrong, and if they WERE black or something they’d act out in smaller ways when they were kids and end up in jail as troublemakers instead of stewing under good conditions till they go off all at once.

:/

So, we should start “controlling” young white men the way the system is attempting to control young brown men?

MILITARY DRAFT! 11ty!

230 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:40:58pm

re: #229 FemNaziBitch

The guy who wrote the article didn’t have any suggestions.

No doubt his audience said that the answer is more Jesus. Or more guns. Or Jesus with guns.

231 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:42:21pm

re: #230 stabby

The guy who wrote the article didn’t have any suggestions.

No doubt his audience said that the answer is more Jesus. Or more guns. Or Jesus with guns.

Or more guns with Jesus…

232 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:44:07pm

re: #230 stabby

The guy who wrote the article didn’t have any suggestions.

No doubt his audience said that the answer is more Jesus. Or more guns. Or Jesus with guns.

Image: Badass_jesus.jpg

233 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:52:00pm

GHANDI JESUS II

HE’S BACK

AND THIS TIME HE’S MAD

234 efuseakay  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:52:46pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Looks like the cop set it off. I’m pretty sure it’s common practice to check the chamber when someone hands you a weapon.

Armed cops in every school!!!

235 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:54:30pm

re: #233 dragonath

GHANDI JESUS II

HE’S BACK

AND THIS TIME HE’S MAD

The essential nature of much US evangelical theology in seven words. Bravo!

236 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:55:09pm

Latest news on the debt ceiling

We have had no budget since Obama was elected because House Republicans would never agree to fund medicare, secular public education, the EPA or I don’t know, any government agency started after humanity discovered that viruses cause disease (late 18th century).

Sooo the Republicans are saying that they will only raise the debt ceiling (and only 3 months worth) if the senate makes a real budget.

They’re trying to force actual monetary control into the granny-choking hands of the House Republican killers.

237 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:56:41pm

re: #236 stabby

More than that, the GOP wants the Senate Dems to go on the hook for making the GOP’s cuts for them.

238 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:58:23pm

If the Punisher doesn’t do it for you, there’s always Magnus of the Danes

239 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 3:58:43pm

re: #237 EPR-radar

That has always been the game

The public won’t accept the kinds of cuts that the Republicans insist on, so they refuse to actually propose any cuts and will blackmail the whole country and destroy our economy unless the Democrats take the fall for the cuts that only Republican tea party creeps want.

240 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:00:09pm

re: #239 stabby

And for now, it looks like the Democrats aren’t going to play that game. Amazing and gratifying.

241 Interesting Times  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:00:49pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

WTF, Buck?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

LOL at the passive-aggressive upding of that comment.

242 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:04:56pm

re: #208 stabby

Sadly the start code doesn’t work. The part I meant was at 2 minutes 40 seconds

[Embedded content]

Add ‘&start=xxx’ to the YouTube URL, where xxx is the number of seconds.

243 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:05:27pm

re: #180 Varek Raith

WTF, Buck?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

That rhymes if you say it right.

244 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:05:29pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

Politicians of all persuasions must keep the rich happy. Anyone care to argue we are not in (or at least rapidly approaching) a plutocracy?

245 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:06:09pm

re: #202 sattv4u2

I’ve stated here a number of times I would like to see that “loophole” closed

Always have!

I didn’t say anything to the contrary.

246 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:07:21pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

That rhymes if you say it right.

In related news, Eclectic Infidel finally got the martyr cookie they were looking for in that thread, apparently.

247 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:08:41pm

re: #232 Dr Lizardo

Image: Badass_jesus.jpg

Oh, one of the guys that Sheriff Joe and his boys would hassle or try to arrest on sight!
///

248 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:10:11pm

re: #241 Interesting Times

LOL at the passive-aggressive upding of that comment.

Buck misfired a bit but Max Blumenthal is indeed a hateful bigot and a crackpot. Although he doesn’t contribute much anymore he was a writer for the anti-Israel hatesite Mondoweiss and invented the bogus conspiracy theory last year that the Israeli government was training US law enforcement to crack down on OWS protests. Alternet (much like Examiner.com) is a junk site with little or no editorial oversight or quality control. Any crackpot can post anything, it’s part of their business model.

249 stabby  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:12:24pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

We’ve been there a long time.

most of the money going into politics is from large donations.

Therefore the opinions of non-wealthy people don’t count because it’s not their money

250 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:12:35pm

re: #244 EPR-radar

Politicians of all persuasions must keep the rich happy. Anyone care to argue we are not in (or at least rapidly approaching) a plutocracy?

I’m not usually one to gripe about such things but it does seem the direction things are headed. Let’s hope the Randian fantasy about corporate interest being beneficial is at least partially true. Our fate is in their hands.

251 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:13:00pm

re: #247 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, one of the guys that Sheriff Joe and his boys would hassle or try to arrest on sight!
///

They’d probably shoot him on sight.

252 wrenchwench  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:13:41pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Buck misfired a bit but Max Blumenthal is indeed a hateful bigot and a crackpot. Although he doesn’t contribute much anymore he was a writer for the anti-Israel hatesite Mondoweiss and invented the bogus conspiracy theory last year that the Israeli government was training US law enforcement to crack down on OWS protests. Alternet (much like Examiner.com) is a junk site with little or no editorial oversight or quality control. Any crackpot can post anything, it’s part of their business model.

I don’t like Blumenthal, but that sure was a good article he wrote. Buck didn’t ‘misfire a bit’. He completely reversed himself from a position he had taken earlier on the same thread.

All you have is an ad hominem attack and name-calling.

Would anyone like to refute the author’s argument?

253 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:18:49pm

re: #252 wrenchwench

I don’t like Blumenthal, but that sure was a good article he wrote. Buck didn’t ‘misfire a bit’. He completely reversed himself from a position he had taken earlier on the same thread.

Both sides in that debate seem to have reversed themselves on the issue of dismissing an article based on it’s source. Geller’s a hateful idiot, Blumenthal’s a crackpot bigot, and the PA is fucked up and probably broken beyond repair. There are enough reliable sources for each one of those opinions without linking to other idiots as source material.

254 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:20:05pm

What pisses me off is Buck proclaiming he’s the the arbiter of who is and isn’t a friend of Israel.
EI does the same.

255 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:20:48pm

Latest bigfuck Birther Conspiracy bombshell: Barack Obama is an alias for Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890.


So that means Obama is 113 years old! He must be a vampire!

256 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:21:41pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

What pisses me off is Buck proclaiming is the the arbiter of who is and isn’t a friend of Israel.
EI does the same.

EI finally got their ticket to ride for martyrdom today, BTW, so that’s one less person putting words in people’s mouths about that.

257 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:22:24pm

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Latest bigfuck Birther Conspiracy bombshell: Barack Obama is an alias for Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890.

[Embedded content]

What.The.Fuck?!?

258 blueraven  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:22:53pm

re: #250 Killgore Trout

I’m not usually one to gripe about such things but it does seem the direction things are headed. Let’s hope the Randian fantasy about corporate interest being beneficial is at least partially true. Our fate is in their hands.

This is what happens when corporations are people, unlimited money with not much, if any oversight, super pacs rule, special interest groups write our laws…

The inauguration is the thing you choose to take a stand on?

259 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:29:03pm

We should all be grateful that the Republicans took a principled stand on corporate funding… and the skillful way they marginalized the birther movement!

260 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:30:15pm

ALL CREATURES WILL MAKE MERRY

UNDER PAIN OF DEATH.

:)

Watching _Flash Gordon_. Cheesy, but entertaining to watch Brian Blessed and Max Von Sydow chew scenery.

261 Varek Raith  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:30:37pm

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Latest bigfuck Birther Conspiracy bombshell: Barack Obama is an alias for Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890.

[Embedded content]

Goddamn Twilight.

262 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:32:02pm

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Latest bigfuck Birther Conspiracy bombshell: Barack Obama is an alias for Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890.

[Embedded content]

He has aged well.

263 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:32:57pm
264 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:34:13pm

Well, I just got thru a month’s worth of shredding, sorted the left overs and put them in their appropriate piles

Yes, it is Saturday night and I am old.

265 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:34:31pm

re: #255 Vicious Babushka

Latest bigfuck Birther Conspiracy bombshell: Barack Obama is an alias for Harrison J. Bounel, born in 1890.

[Embedded content]

Wow.

266 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:37:36pm

I thought Obama’s original alias was Annatar, Lord of Gifts.

267 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:37:53pm

Remember the man that carried the rifle into JC Penneys the other day? Yeah…..here’s a link to his MySpace. It’s been inactive/ignored since 2009. Check out the photos under “Guns/Gear/Shooting”.

Yeah, this guy has some…………issues.

[Link: www.myspace.com…]

268 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:38:03pm

I want to know how that guy got into a database to look up random socials. He’s got to be breaking some laws.

269 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:38:55pm

re: #266 dragonath

I thought Obama’s original alias was Annatar, Lord of Gifts.

I thought it was The Necromancer of Dol Goldur.

270 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:39:00pm

re: #266 dragonath

I thought Obama’s original alias was Annatar, Lord of Gifts.

Handing out Obamaphones, no doubt.

/

271 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:40:02pm

re: #267 Dr Lizardo

Remember the man that carried the rifle into JC Penneys the other day? Yeah…..here’s a link to his MySpace. It’s been inactive/ignored since 2009. Check out the photos under “Guns/Gear/Shooting”.

Yeah, this guy has some…………issues.

[Link: www.myspace.com…]

Hell, MySpace as a whole has been inactive/ignored since 2009.

272 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:41:19pm

Well, I’m off to book-land.

Have a good evening all!

273 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:43:49pm

re: #271 Dark_Falcon

Hell, MySpace as a whole has been inactive/ignored since 2009.

Heh. Fair enough.

But if you remember, he said to the media he was a veteran. However, this is a quote from his MySpace page:

About me:
My name is joesph kelley…..im 6’1, i have black hair,brown eyes,and average build. I like guns……i own many of them, and hope to acquire many more in the future. My hobbies include; shooting guns, cleaning guns, reading about guns, holding guns, playing xbox along with paintball and airsoft. I also love to read books about various wars. At some point, i plan on going into the marines. All of that pretty much sums me up…..so message me if ud like to learn more, and btw OBAMA WILL FAIL! (But I hope he doesn’t fuck us to badly when he does.)

I bolded the relevant portion. If he was in the Marines (or armed forces) I would presume he would’ve posted some photos from his time there. It makes me wonder if he was a veteran at all.

274 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:50:21pm

re: #258 blueraven

The inauguration is the thing you choose to take a stand on?

I think for me it’s the gross display of wealth combined with it being completely wasteful. I guess you could make the argument that catering businesses, waiters and hookers make some trickledown money but it’s just a crass indulgence. I could understand a first term party but I just think it would be an epic gesture for a President to skip the whole thing. $50 million ain’t chump change, it could really change some lives. It’s just a shame to waste it on a party.

275 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:50:33pm

re: #273 Dr Lizardo

§ 502. Enlistment oath: who may administer
(a) Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:
“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”

OMG OBAMA IS EVERYWHERE

276 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:53:21pm

re: #275 dragonath

OMG OBAMA IS EVERYWHERE

LOL.

Seriously though, I wonder if that Joseph Kelley fellow really ever did serve in the armed forces, or if he just made that up, thinking that the media would just take his word for it.

277 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:58:03pm

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

It’s possible that he may have enlisted but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had raised some red flags. Obviously he isn’t in the Marines now. Too much gun control, I guess.

278 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 4:59:00pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

50 million ain’t chump change, it could really change some lives. It’s just a shame to waste it on a party.

OMG, Socialism

279 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:03:51pm

re: #276 Dr Lizardo

re: #277 dragonath

It appears he lied about contacting police prior.

[Link: www.standard.net…]

280 freetoken  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:07:52pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

A non-trivial portion of the greater DC metro area economy is hospitality. Yes, it’t “trickle down” if you will, but it is important.

The fact is Obama chose to have only two official receptions, one of which is as Commander in Chief party, and he if would have ignored socializing with the military you’d be hearing all the wingnuts whining about how Obama hates America because he hates the military.

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:08:42pm

re: #279 Stan the Demanded Plan

re: #277 dragonath

It appears he lied about contacting police prior.

[Link: www.standard.net…]

It would also appear that he wears his ass as a hat.

282 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:08:45pm

re: #277 dragonath

It’s possible that he may have enlisted but I wouldn’t be surprised if he had raised some red flags. Obviously he isn’t in the Marines now. Too much gun control, I guess.

Good point.

283 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:09:11pm

re: #279 Stan the Demanded Plan

re: #277 dragonath

It appears he lied about contacting police prior.

[Link: www.standard.net…]

Interesting. Not good.

284 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:11:36pm

re: #279 Stan the Demanded Plan

lol, at that site there’s a get off mah lawn letter to the editor titled “Roaming Cats Should be Euthanized”

285 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:14:22pm

Dear Gun Nuts:

Please stop mentioning Rosa Parks.

KTHXBYE

Gus

286 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:15:03pm

re: #285 Gus

Dear Gun Nuts:

Please stop mentioning Rosa Parks.

KTHXBYE

Gus

Yeah it’s a stupid example. But these are people who see themselves as constant martyrs so it’s not going to change.

287 gwangung  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:16:17pm

re: #286 HappyWarrior

Yeah it’s a stupid example. But these are people who see themselves as constant martyrs so it’s not going to change.

Neither will the constant laughter at a dumb comparison.

288 blueraven  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:17:20pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

I think for me it’s the gross display of wealth combined with it being completely wasteful. I guess you could make the argument that catering businesses, waiters and hookers make some trickledown money but it’s just a crass indulgence. I could understand a first term party but I just think it would be an epic gesture for a President to skip the whole thing. $50 million ain’t chump change, it could really change some lives. It’s just a shame to waste it on a party.

You gotta fight,
For your right,
to party!

289 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:17:34pm

re: #287 gwangung

Neither will the constant laughter at a dumb comparison.

True that. Though it does po me since I find it insensitive as hell.

290 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:17:46pm

re: #284 dragonath

lol, at that site there’s a get off mah lawn letter to the editor titled “Roaming Cats Should be Euthanized”

And the answer to that should be the following graphic:

Image: 3182029-close-up-of-a-domestic-cat-yawning-with-mouth-wide-open.jpg

291 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:17:57pm

re: #284 dragonath

lol, at that site there’s a get off mah lawn letter to the editor titled “Roaming Cats Should be Euthanized”

Somebody shot a roaming cat!

Geeze, wouldn’t want to live anywhere near Riverdale or Ogden, UT.

292 gwangung  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:18:28pm

re: #289 HappyWarrior

True that. Though it does po me since I find it insensitive as hell.

Oh, that’s true, but pissing off liberals is part of their game.

293 Gus  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:18:41pm

re: #287 gwangung

Neither will the constant laughter at a dumb comparison.

Yes, because as you know we never laugh at any stupidity over here.

294 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:18:42pm

re: #285 Gus

Dear Gun Nuts:

Please stop mentioning Rosa Parks.

KTHXBYE

Gus

On SS’s linked article, the gun nuts are really making themselves look rational by yelling in all caps and saying that if you’re against guns you’re a murderer

295 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:19:29pm

re: #292 gwangung

Oh, that’s true, but pissing off liberals is part of their game.

Yeah well they amuse me more than they anger me at this point.

296 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:20:29pm

re: #294 dragonath

On SS’s linked article, the gun nuts are really making themselves look rational by yelling in all caps and saying that if you’re against guns you’re a murderer

I see. Fox News and the NRA are giving us pro-gun arguments that have been carefully selected for (relative) rationality and sanity.

297 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:23:56pm

re: #291 Stan the Demanded Plan

Somebody shot a roaming cat!

Geeze, wouldn’t want to live anywhere near Riverdale or Ogden, UT.

Yeah, I’m not really a fan of cats roaming around free (killing birds, breaking into gardens and spreading parasites), but shooting someone’s pet is an ultradick move.

298 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:23:58pm
299 Lidane  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:24:51pm
300 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:25:08pm

hey. hope y’all are well. just checkin’ in.

301 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:26:04pm

re: #299 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Yeah but armed school children prevent shootings.

302 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #294 dragonath

On SS’s linked article, the gun nuts are really making themselves look rational by yelling in all caps and saying that if you’re against guns you’re a murderer

Which one?

303 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:26:43pm

re: #300 Wozza Matter?

hey. hope y’all are well. just checkin’ in.

Good to see you. How are things going?

304 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:26:52pm

re: #298 Stan the Demanded Plan

[Embedded content]

I just heard. Him and Weaver within 24 hours. Very sad day for baseball. Stan was one of my grandmother’s favorites.

305 dragonath  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:28:40pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Which one?

freewill2 Rosa • 11 hours ago
you are 100% in favor of The high crime rate like the City of Chicago. Chicago has the Dream you Desire, 100% gun control! And the highest rate of Homicide.

Wingnut Standard Capitalization®

306 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:29:44pm

re: #304 HappyWarrior

I just heard. Him and Weaver within 24 hours. Very sad day for baseball. Stan was one of my grandmother’s favorites.

Did you see the video on the Weaver page? One of his epic rants.

307 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:30:54pm

If wingnuts think Sandy Hook was fake, that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, why do they think Benghazi was real?

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:32:59pm

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

If wingnuts think Sandy Hook was fake, that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, why do they think Benghazi was real?

Sandy Hook Truthers are far less numerous than Birthers.

309 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:33:32pm

re: #306 Stan the Demanded Plan

Did you see the video on the Weaver page? One of his epic rants.

Watching it now. This is great. My favorite Earl story involves the late Mike Flanagan. Flanny balked and Earl comes out and asks Flanny straight out if he balked or not. Flanny nods in the affirmative but Earl still argues with the umpire. He was a great manager. I am glad he got to see one last Orioles playoff team this past year.

310 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:34:47pm

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

If wingnuts think Sandy Hook was fake, that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, why do they think Benghazi was real?

Is this a trick question?

Propositions that are politically useful for the GOP are deemed to be true.

Propositions that are not politically useful for the GOP are deemed to be false.

311 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:36:42pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

doin ok. been working hard since april.busy busy.

312 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:37:27pm

Sandy Hook whatever ya wanna call them are the weirdest birds I’ve seen out there. I swear some people want to find a conspiracy in every last goddamned thing.

313 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:37:48pm

Can’t get laid? Must be the Freemasons!

314 TedStriker  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:39:19pm

re: #307 Vicious Babushka

If wingnuts think Sandy Hook was fake, that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, why do they think Benghazi was real?

Boggles the mind, doesn’t it?

///

315 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:39:48pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Can’t get laid? Must be the Freemasons!

It’s the JOOOOOOOOS, man! ///

*headdesk*

316 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:41:28pm

re: #315 Dr Lizardo

It’s the JOOOOOOOOS, man! ///

*headdesk*

Don’t be so ignorant man. They’re watching us always. They were behind New Coke!

317 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:43:00pm

re: #316 HappyWarrior

Don’t be so ignorant man. They’re watching us always. They were behind New Coke!

New Coke? I could swear that was all part of the preliminary groundwork for the U.N.’s Agenda 21. ///

It’s so hard to keep the conspiracy theories straight anymore.

318 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:44:46pm

re: #317 Dr Lizardo

New Coke? I could swear that was all part of the preliminary groundwork for the U.N.’s Agenda 21. ///

It’s so hard to keep the conspiracy theories straight anymore.

Nah the Masons dude. They’re also why the Star Wars sequels were so bad. I mean I’ve got like no proof of this man but isn’t that the proof? I’m just asking the tough questions that everyone else is too much of a sheep to ask.

319 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:45:57pm

re: #311 Wozza Matter?

doin ok. been working hard since april.busy busy.

I just started a new job on Tuesday, so I’m glad to be busy again.

320 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:48:29pm

re: #298 Stan the Demanded Plan

[Embedded content]

RIP Stan

321 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:48:56pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Nah the Masons dude. They’re also why the Star Wars sequels were so bad. I mean I’ve got like no proof of this man but isn’t that the proof? I’m just asking the tough questions that everyone else is too much of a sheep to ask.

And hats off to you for doing so!

It’s well known that the lack of proof of gigantic evil schemes is the clearest indication that something nefarious is afoot. //

And with that, goodnight Lizards.

322 Stanghazi  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:50:06pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

I just started a new job on Tuesday, so I’m glad to be busy again.

Missed that. Good going!

323 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:51:00pm

re: #321 Dr Lizardo

And hats off to you for doing so!

It’s well known that the lack of proof of gigantic evil schemes is the clearest indication that something nefarious is afoot. //

And with that, goodnight Lizards.

Haha. Seriously, night dude. Have a good one.

324 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:51:42pm

re: #322 Stan the Demanded Plan

Missed that. Good going!

Thanks.

325 EPR-radar  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:52:16pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

Nah the Masons dude. They’re also why the Star Wars sequels were so bad. I mean I’ve got like no proof of this man but isn’t that the proof? I’m just asking the tough questions that everyone else is too much of a sheep to ask.

Hexapods! Hexapods, I say !!11ty!! Hexapods from Neptune coming to regulate health insurance companies!!!

326 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:54:07pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

good on ya’

327 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 5:55:36pm

[heading upstairs]

328 HappyWarrior  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 6:03:31pm

re: #325 EPR-radar

Lizard people planting chips man.

329 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 6:10:09pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Can’t get laid? Must be the Freemasons!

Via the Girl Scouts?
;)

330 palomino  Sat, Jan 19, 2013 10:58:41pm

re: #253 Killgore Trout

Both sides in that debate seem to have reversed themselves on the issue of dismissing an article based on it’s source. Geller’s a hateful idiot, Blumenthal’s a crackpot bigot, and the PA is fucked up and probably broken beyond repair. There are enough reliable sources for each one of those opinions without linking to other idiots as source material.

I’m not that familiar with Blumenthal…what has he done to deserve being lumped in with demented paranoid racist slime like Geller?

331 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 20, 2013 10:46:06am

re: #330 palomino

I’m not that familiar with Blumenthal…what has he done to deserve being lumped in with demented paranoid racist slime like Geller?

Nothing. This is Killgore doing his false equivalence thing again.

I don’t agree with everything Blumenthal writes, but comparing him to Pamela Geller is stupid.


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They could've called this article "Look at how 'supply-side' economics, anti-environmentalism, and all-around pro-oligarch legislation and ideology has destroyed some of the most iconic, classic Americana." cracked.com Oh, and gentrification-based laws are also robbing us of the classic ice-cream truck ...

2 days, 3 hours ago
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_RememberTonyC
Qatar, Bergdahl, and Hamas
One thing we have learned in the current conflict is that Hamas has three main sponsors: Turkey, Iran, and Qatar. So when Bergdahl was released and the five taliban bigs were released into the "custody" of Qatar, we basically handed ...

2 days, 21 hours ago
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Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

4 days, 7 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
Washington, D.C., Handgun Carry Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional
I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

5 days, 3 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

1 week ago
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FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

1 week ago
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Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

1 week, 2 days ago
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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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 Frank says:

Consider for a moment any beauty in the name Ralph. -- In an interview with Joan Rivers who had just asked him why he gave his children such odd names, Frank gave the reply above.