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1 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 9:17:36pm

The 2012 “Cycle Slam” was a success:

Dallaglio Flintoff Cycle Slam raises over £2m for charity

2013 with “Killstrong” could easily outdraw 2012!

2 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 9:20:03pm

I refuse to pay for the whole seat when I’m only going to use the edge.

3 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 10:03:57pm
4 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 10:13:42pm

re: #3 goddamnedfrank

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5 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 10:15:02pm

I guess everyone is ready to sleep.. I need to take my sleeping pill.
So what is the only fruit that has it’s seeds on the outside?
Strawberry

6 engineer cat  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 10:19:23pm

what’s all this i hear about this villain “Half-Penis”?

and why is he so important that the constitution guarantees americans the right to pursue him?

7 Tars Tarkas  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:15:25pm

I hear he’s also going on tour with Chris Gaines

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:28:02pm

There was a time when the notion of Tour de France cyclists using drugs and alcohol was as commonplace and taken for granted as rock musicians using drugs and alcohol.

Then came the War on Drugs and the unpleasant realization that drugs are drugs, whether they are being used for recreation or to enhance sporting performance.

And unlike going to a Grateful Dead concert, where nobody really cares how stoned you get, there is a lot of pressure on athletes to perform.

9 freetoken  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:51:05pm

Monk:

10 Kragar  Mon, Jan 21, 2013 11:53:42pm

Twitter down all day: No worries
Adult entertainment site is down: THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!

11 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 12:05:32am

re: #8 Sol Berdinowitz

There was a time when the thought of Tour de France cyclists using drugs and alcohol was as commonplace and taken for granted as rock musicians using drugs and alcohol.

Then came the War on Drugs and the unpleasant realization that drugs are drugs, whether they are being used for recreation or to enhance sporting performance.

And unlike going to a Grateful Dead concert, where nobody really cares how stoned you get, there is a lot of pressure on athletes to perform.

The story of drugs in athletics is complex and wide spread with controversy over the years. It’s use for healing the body faster was ground breaking. Then they developed PED’s they cheating the sport.

Each Athlete strives for excellence.
That can be the down fall

12 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 12:32:45am

Well it’s 2:30am and I’m watching the Pacer game.. I have to keep up on my teams. I record a lot.
For years I have mocked the Lakers here. I was born in Nor Cal and always hated the Lakers. I feel pity for them and can’t mock them this year..It’s like kicking a man when he is down.
Oh the good old days of talking about Jack Nicholson being bummed out at daybreak sitting in his kitchen, naked, with an empty bottle of Vodka staring out the window. Those were the days Jack
/

13 freetoken  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 12:50:12am
14 freetoken  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 1:08:03am

Some Villa-Lobos:

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 2:11:53am

re: #11 HoosierHoops

The story of drugs in athletics is complex and wide spread with controversy over the years. It’s use for healing the body faster was ground breaking. Then they developed PED’s they cheating the sport.

Each Athlete strives for excellence.
That can be the down fall

And it ws generally ignored or accepted until people started to point out the utter hypocricy of condemning the use of recreational drugs while ignoring abuse of performance enhancing substances.

16 andres  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 3:01:53am

Just saw on my FB timeline that the Daily Caller is frothing about Lupe Fiasco being thrown offstage for making anti-Obama sentiments. (I ain’t touching that with a 10 foot pole).

Here’s what happened, from NPR.

As Politico reports, the Grammy-nominated rapper stayed on the anti-war song “Words I Never Said” for 30 minutes. Video posted by Now This News shows Fiasco dropping lines critical of President Obama, before the lights go off and men in black suits escort him off the stage.

“Limbaugh is a racist, Glenn Beck is a racist,” he raps. “Gaza Strip was getting bombed, Obama didn’t say [expletive]. That’s why I ain’t vote for him, next one either. I’m a part of the problem; my problem is I’m peaceful.”

The Washington Post reports that the party was meant to celebrate Internet start-ups and that StartUp RockOn, the party organizer, denies Fiasco was booted for political reasons.

17 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 3:04:04am

re: #16 andres

Just saw on my FB timeline that the Daily Caller is frothing about Lupe Fiasco being thrown offstage for making anti-Obama sentiments. (I ain’t touching that with a 10 foot pole).

Here’s what happened, from NPR.

Sounds like there’s enough outrage for both sides in that story to power several mega-rants worth of derping.

18 compound_Idaho  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 3:40:15am

re: #11 HoosierHoops

The baseball hall of fame has a real dilemma on their hands. Not so much what to do with the likes of Bonds, Clements et. al., known users, but what about suspected users and those that just got away with it.

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 3:42:19am

re: #18 compound_Idaho

The baseball hall of fame has a real dilemma on their hands. Not so much what to do with the likes of Bonds, Clements et. al., known users, but what about suspected users and those that just got away with it.

Reminds me again of why I have almost no interest in professional sports…

20 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 3:44:29am

re: #16 andres

He was booted for being a fiasco.

21 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:29:47am
22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:39:38am

GFY Bryan

23 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 4:51:47am

Good Morning Lizards!

A cozy 19 F in Center City Philadelphia this morning along with a dusting of snow. Colder to the west and northwest of course, but still 15 degrees colder than yesterday.

And I see that the derp from places unthinking and unfeeling* continues unabated as the sun rises on the 2nd term of Barack Obama as President of the United States of America.

* - Well, maybe not that unfeeling. They appear to get butthurt.

24 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 5:03:06am

“Jim Gray” is the Japanese word for “Thank You” which they got from Portuguese shadow people with sleep paralysis.

25 Mattand  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 5:53:22am

re: #23 Feline Fearless Leader

Good Morning Lizards!

A cozy 19 F in Center City Philadelphia this morning along with a dusting of snow. Colder to the west and northwest of course, but still 15 degrees colder than yesterday.

And I see that the derp from places unthinking and unfeeling* continues unabated as the sun rises on the 2nd term of Barack Obama as President of the United States of America.

* - Well, maybe not that unfeeling. They appear to get butthurt.

Word.

26 Mattand  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 5:55:48am

re: #16 andres

Just saw on my FB timeline that the Daily Caller is frothing about Lupe Fiasco being thrown offstage for making anti-Obama sentiments. (I ain’t touching that with a 10 foot pole).

Here’s what happened, from NPR.

Well, on the bright side, Fiasco sees Limbaugh and Beck for what they are. Plus, he lives up to his name, based on that performance.

27 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:04:38am
28 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:07:45am

Greets and saluts from the quite cold NYC metro area. It’s about time we’re seeing the temps we are. We’ve been at or above normal for most of the winter, so this Arctic blast is cold even for those folks who are accustomed to cold weather.

None of this will mean a bit of difference to the Bryan Fischer types who think that global warming is a conspiracy (just not the one they are party to - shilling willingly or unwillingly for the oil hacks and corporatists who think that they can make coin on the unwitting masses).

Global temps don’t lie.

29 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:16:30am

re: #27 Lidane

That nicely overturns the “Latinos are natural GOP voters” meme (not that it had any grounding in reality to start with).

30 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:16:35am

Morning, Lizards! So how are the brave, patriotic souls at #TGDN coping today with a second Obama term? Have a look:

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:16:42am

but it’s snowing here!

32 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:18:16am

Total Bullshit alert:

33 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:21:50am

re: #30 Lidane

These people are fucked.






34 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:22:42am

So,why is the

#National

#Guard
hiring”Internment/Resettlement Specialists?”Is martial
#law
imminent?
examiner.com/article/is-mar…

#tgdn

#tcot

#pjnet

I’m confused. I thought the #tgdn’s liked internment camps and things like that. /

35 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:24:04am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

I’d argue that these people have always been out there, but the Internet now gives them an outlet and pulpit to literally preach to the like-minded. It’s sad and unfortunate that so many of them have so many followers - though that could be as much for following the crazy as believing in the crazy.

36 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:27:03am

re: #33 Vicious Babushka

These people are fucked.

Somewhere out there, Bryan is twitching and he doesn’t know why:

37 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:27:48am

re: #34 Bulworth

I’m confused. I thought the #tgdn’s liked internment camps and things like that. /

They like internment for brown people and liberals.

38 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:27:54am

re: #35 lawhawk

I’d argue that these people have always been out there, but the Internet now gives them an outlet and pulpit to literally preach to the like-minded. It’s sad and unfortunate that so many of them have so many followers - though that could be as much for following the crazy as believing in the crazy.

#TGDN is definitely a scam for adding followers as well as being an echo chamber for the samethinkers.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:30:06am

Remember the central imagery of the Tea Party. armed uprising against a usurpatios tyrant.

Without a tyrant to rise up againse, their message makes no sense. And since they do not like Obama (for various reasons, personal and political) they are open to any argument or potrayal that depicts him as a tyrant.

40 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:32:32am

Birtherism is rampant in #TGDN.

41 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:35:17am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

Birtherism is rampant in #TGDN.

So are Benghazi-gate, Sandy Hook trutherism, DEY TAKIN’ YER GUNZ, and people still obsessing about ACORN.

It’s weird. And depressing. And makes me realize just how dangerous the RWNJ echo chamber is. These people exist in their own separate reality.

42 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:36:30am

Gratitude:

43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:38:18am

Yes, but more than 61 million people voted FOR Obama, that’s why he won and Romney lost.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:40:27am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Yes, but more than 61 million people voted FOR Obama, that’s why he won and Romney lost.

Obama knows that 61 million Americans voted against him, right? How does he plan to silence our voices?

One must assume that he wants to silence you. A good leader would continue to listen to those who opposed his election.

(But he is not going to listen to anyone who is not making sense)

45 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:42:04am

Also, they complain about the unemployment rate, but at the same time they hate unemployed people, who they think are choosing to not work because Obama gives them FREE STUFF!1!

The cognitive dissonance is deafening.

46 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:44:11am

re: #43 Vicious Babushka

Facts are a rough thing. Romney didn’t crack 60m. Obama had 61m, and a landslide in the EC. 332-206. [Link: www.politico.com…]

47 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:44:17am

Feels like 6 outside.
I think I’ll stay inside today.

48 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:44:46am

*headdesk*

49 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:45:25am

re: #48 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Uh….
Yeah.
Nevermind.

50 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:46:14am

re: #35 lawhawk

I’d argue that these people have always been out there, but the Internet now gives them an outlet and pulpit to literally preach to the like-minded. It’s sad and unfortunate that so many of them have so many followers - though that could be as much for following the crazy as believing in the crazy.

Of course they have. The Founders could no more imagine the internet & Facebook or Twitter than they could the AK-47. What we see there is an abuse of the right to free speech. Fortunately, despite the *deaths the abuse has caused, almost nobody calls for any change in the amendment of passage of hate speech law. That amendment is not ever going to get amended or removed.

*Looking at you Nakoula Basseley Nakoula

So how do we best discourage these abusers? Have and enforce strong Terms Of Service. Twitter and FB could take some hints from the rules around here. The guy that pays for the place to speak can take it away.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:46:37am

re: #48 Lidane

*headdesk*

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Do we count that as a Godwin?

52 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:47:21am

That Breitbart thread has gone to comparing stormfront to La Raza and the NAACP.
Also, I’m a commie apparently.

53 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:47:55am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Do we count that as a Godwin?

I’m not sure. It looks like more of an Obama = Neville Chamberlin tweet.

54 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:47:58am
55 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:48:39am

re: #52 Varek Raith

That Breitbart thread has gone to comparing stormfront to La Raza and the NAACP.
Also, I’m a commie apparently.

Yes, because La Raza and the NAACP are exactly like a bunch of violent skinheads and Klan members.

Morons.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:49:27am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Do we count that as a Godwin?

Neville Chamberlain constitutes a metagodwin.

57 Destro  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:52:24am

How about everyone is allowed to take performance enhancing drugs as long as they are honest and upfront about it?

58 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:52:26am

re: #54 Varek Raith

Lol.
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Michelle looks like she’s thrilled to be sitting next to Mr. Orange.

59 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:54:11am

Mornin’ everyone. Welcome to the second term.

60 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:54:15am

BTW, #tcot isn’t any better.

Aside from repeating the same bullshit about Obama wanting troops that will fire on US citizens, there are a lot of current tweets mourning the loss of Gates of Vienna. I won’t embed them here, but shutting down GoV was apparently a victory for jihad or some shit.

61 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:54:50am

re: #57 Destro

How about everyone is allowed to take performance enhancing drugs as long as they are honest and upfront about it?

I get the blue pill!

62 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:55:23am

re: #57 Destro

I think liability worries will prevent that. Hate to see people die to win.

63 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:55:31am

re: #61 darthstar

I get the blue pill!

Oh, wait…he meant athletic performance…

64 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:56:11am

Ah. That explains the idiotic Neville Chamberlin mention:

65 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:56:38am

re: #50 Political Atheist

Of course they have. The Founders could no more imagine the internet & Facebook or Twitter than they could the AK-47. What we see there is an abuse of the right to free speech. Fortunately, despite the *deaths the abuse has caused, almost nobody calls for any change in the amendment of passage of hate speech law. That amendment is not ever going to get amended or removed.

That’s a bad analogy, since the first amendment doesn’t begin with something like “An independent press being necessary to the freedom of the state…” the way the 2nd begins with “A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state”.

edit: And if it did, the wording wouldn’t be archaic in the modern day, it’d still be highly relevant, unlike the 2nd.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:57:28am

re: #62 Political Atheist

I think liability worries will prevent that. Hate to see people die to win.

The amount of emulation that will occur if PEDs are openly allowed and encouraged is in my opinion not a good thing. Enough crops up now about high school kids using steroids for a perceived advantage and that would only get worse.

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:59:37am

They blame Obama for unemployment, but then they blame unemployed people for not having a job. You see how that works?

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:59:46am

re: #64 Lidane

Ah. That explains the idiotic Neville Chamberlin mention:

I guess that is from Obama negotiating with himself. And since Obama = Hitler that means it’s a valid comparison. Not.
///

And Bolton is educated enough to know that he’s making a false and spurious comment. Which arguably is worse than being ignorant - like if Bryan Fischer said it.

69 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:00:31am

re: #57 Destro

How about everyone is allowed to take performance enhancing drugs as long as they are honest and upfront about it?

Depends what you mean by performance-enhancing drug. I bet a linebacker on PCP would perform well.

Performance-enhancing drugs should be a medical issue. If they’re medically safe to use— and in some cases, the drugs would actually be medically beneficial— then allow them.

Atheletes often destroy their bodies while playing sports. Sure, they’re highly compensated, but a large percentage of athletes in America’s favorite sports wind up bankrupt shortly after their career ends. They’re used to having a huge income, they don’t learn how to invest, and they’re often taken advantage of. So you get a lot of cases of guys with blown-out knees, cognitive difficulty from concussions, bankrupt at the age of thirty-five. Sure, they had a nice life while they were playing, but now they’re fucking screwed.

If there’s anything that’ll help them heal while they’re playing, we should promote it, not ban it. Most of these drugs have bad side-effects, but playing football has a fucking terrible side effect too. It should be a medical decision, not a ‘purity of the game’ argument.

70 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:01:00am
71 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:01:09am

re: #64 Lidane

You know who else uses words like ‘place’? Pat Sajak,,,and he’s a wingnut.

72 andres  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:02:56am

re: #17 Sol Berdinowitz

Sounds like there’s enough outrage for both sides in that story to power several mega-rants worth of derping.

If only we could harness that outrage into electricity… we’d be self-sustainable!

re: #20 Obdicut

He was booted for being a fiasco.

The organizers can’t say they weren’t warned. It’s right there in his name.

73 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:03:21am
74 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:04:04am

re: #69 Obdicut

Depends what you mean by performance-enhancing drug. I bet a linebacker on PCP would perform well.

Performance-enhancing drugs should be a medical issue. If they’re medically safe to use— and in some cases, the drugs would actually be medically beneficial— then allow them.

Atheletes often destroy their bodies while playing sports. Sure, they’re highly compensated, but a large percentage of athletes in America’s favorite sports wind up bankrupt shortly after their career ends. They’re used to having a huge income, they don’t learn how to invest, and they’re often taken advantage of. So you get a lot of cases of guys with blown-out knees, cognitive difficulty from concussions, bankrupt at the age of thirty-five. Sure, they had a nice life while they were playing, but now they’re fucking screwed.

If there’s anything that’ll help them heal while they’re playing, we should promote it, not ban it. Most of these drugs have bad side-effects, but playing football has a fucking terrible side effect too. It should be a medical decision, not a ‘purity of the game’ argument.

There’s also a lot of athletes who are not in a sport that leads to a professional career, and also a lot who never get that far in the system. The blown-out knees, concussions, etc. happen in high school or college. And often with less talented medical care and trainers than the pros have.

75 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:04:32am

re: #72 andres

The organizers can’t say they weren’t warned. It’s right there in his name.

The organizers were stupid to book him in the first place. He’s been openly railing against Obama for ages. I think he even went on Bill O’Reilly’s show to keep ranting.

76 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:05:25am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

So, we’ve got every angle covered. Obama’s perceived as being the next coming of Hitler by the nutters as well as being so incompetent and accommodating that he’s going to allow the next Hitler to take power?

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:06:27am

SEEKRITZ!

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:07:14am

re: #76 lawhawk

So, we’ve got every angle covered. Obama’s perceived as being the next coming of Hitler by the nutters as well as being so incompetent and accommodating that he’s going to allow the next Hitler to take power?

Yep. He is going to be so wimpy in a tyrannic sense so as to allow himself to take over as an iron-fisted tyrant. It was the best of times. It was the worst of times.
//

79 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:07:46am

re: #76 lawhawk

So, we’ve got every angle covered. Obama’s perceived as being the next coming of Hitler by the nutters as well as being so incompetent and accommodating that he’s going to allow the next Hitler to take power?

I don’t think he was all that accommodating in his speech yesterday. Sorry wingnuts, but to paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, you have to fight the president you have, not the president you wish you had.

80 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:09:05am

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

There’s also a lot of athletes who are not in a sport that leads to a professional career, and also a lot who never get that far in the system. The blown-out knees, concussions, etc. happen in high school or college. And often with less talented medical care and trainers than the pros have.

Absolutely. We should really take a long hard look at the sports that we encourage kids to play. I mean, right now, the biggest health problem for children in the US is obesity, so now is not really the time to discourage activity of any kind, but really, if you’ve got a kid, don’t encourage them to do soccer, or football, and if they do do baseball, no head-first slides— encourage them to do a sport without the concussion risk. There are all sports where concussions are pretty much inevitable, and concussions are really, really bad for you. There’s a reason our skulls are so damn thick and our flinch reactions are meant to get our head out of the way more than any other part of our body.

I have no idea how much damage I did to myself long-term by being a boxer. I hope it’s not much, I only had a few matches, but I probably took a couple of years off my life and I probably will get dementia or other cognitive problems sooner than I would have if I hadn’t been a boxer. I also got an enormously bad hernia from it, so any health benefits it had really got destroyed by that injury.

Please note I’m not talking about banning anything.

81 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:09:34am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

SEEKRITZ!

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Tell me one of these secret laws.

Oh, right. Secret.

What the fuck.

82 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:09:42am

So, away from the politics for a moment. Made a kosher chicken pot pie yesterday for the first time. Texture was almost there, probably needed to add more flour to thicken the sauce. Maybe a bit more thyme, but otherwise a good first attempt to build on. Downside is that this particular recipe relies on margarine and non dairy creamer to get the texture. Wish I could find something a wee bit more natural than that.

83 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:09:44am

re: #80 Obdicut

Absolutely. We should really take a long hard look at the sports that we encourage kids to play. I mean, right now, the biggest health problem for children in the US is obesity, so now is not really the time to discourage activity of any kind, but really, if you’ve got a kid, don’t encourage them to do soccer, or football, and if they do do baseball, no head-first slides. There are all sports where concussions are pretty much inevitable, and concussions are really, really bad for you. There’s a reason our skulls are so damn thick and our flinch reactions are meant to get our head out of the way more than any other part of our body.

I have no idea how much damage I did to myself long-term by being a boxer. I hope it’s not much, I only had a few matches, but I probably took a couple of years off my life and I probably will get dementia or other cognitive problems sooner than I would have if I hadn’t been a boxer. I also got an enormously bad hernia from it, so any health benefits it had really got destroyed by that injury.

Please note I’m not talking about banning anything.

SARCASTABALL!

84 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:12:33am

re: #82 lawhawk

A friend of mine was complaining about the troubles of finding Kosher margarine these days. A lot of them have a small amount of milk by-products in them.

85 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:14:29am

re: #82 lawhawk

So, away from the politics for a moment. Made a kosher chicken pot pie yesterday for the first time. Texture was almost there, probably needed to add more flour to thicken the sauce. Maybe a bit more thyme, but otherwise a good first attempt to build on. Downside is that this particular recipe relies on margarine and non dairy creamer to get the texture. Wish I could find something a wee bit more natural than that.

Kudzu - it’s a natural cornstarch. Also, you can make a bechamel using soy milk and thicken with that.

86 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:14:58am

re: #84 Obdicut

A friend of mine was complaining about the troubles of finding Kosher margarine these days. A lot of them have a small amount of milk by-products in them.

Fleischmann’s green label is available in most supermarkets around here.

I really try to avoid using margarine and non-dairy creamer if I can avoid it, prefer to use olive oil and soy/almond/rice milk.

87 Sionainn  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:15:32am

re: #76 lawhawk

So, we’ve got every angle covered. Obama’s perceived as being the next coming of Hitler by the nutters as well as being so incompetent and accommodating that he’s going to allow the next Hitler to take power?

Yeah, that’s about it.

88 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:16:08am

*face palm*

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:16:50am

re: #80 Obdicut

Absolutely. We should really take a long hard look at the sports that we encourage kids to play. I mean, right now, the biggest health problem for children in the US is obesity, so now is not really the time to discourage activity of any kind, but really, if you’ve got a kid, don’t encourage them to do soccer, or football, and if they do do baseball, no head-first slides. There are all sports where concussions are pretty much inevitable, and concussions are really, really bad for you. There’s a reason our skulls are so damn thick and our flinch reactions are meant to get our head out of the way more than any other part of our body.

snip

Just about any sport is going to carry its share of risk. Key is educating about those risks, use of proper equipment and preparation (like stretching), and having good supervision and proper priorities; e.g. safety and sportsmanship > winning.

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:17:20am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

SEEKRITZ!

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How does he know if they are secret???

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:19:18am

re: #90 Varek Raith

How does he know if they are secret???

Same conundrum. It’s a secret conspiracy involving thousands, but somehow only they know/care about it. At the same time that the government is totally incompetent at just about everything else.

92 Jolo5309  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:21:24am

re: #91 Feline Fearless Leader

Same conundrum. It’s a secret conspiracy involving thousands, but somehow only they know/care about it. At the same time that the government is totally incompetent at just about everything else.

And others that have talked about it always seem to disappear, but never this brave soul.

93 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:21:52am

re: #84 Obdicut

Finding a parve margarine wasn’t the problem. I’d prefer using something else entirely. I saw a couple of recipes that use white wine and corn starch as thickeners, so I might play around with that approach next time.

94 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:22:04am

re: #89 Feline Fearless Leader

Just about any sport is going to carry its share of risk.

Football and soccer have far, far, far higher risks than many other sports. You’re right that any sport that has collisions is going to have these risks, but there are tons of sports that don’t. Running, swimming, tennis— basically, any sport where you don’t collide with other people or have something collide with your head— are much, much, much safer. It’s an entirely different category, especially since the injuries you get in those sports aren’t ones that affect your brain.

There is no comparison of the average damage from playing football to the average damage from being a runner.

95 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:22:23am

re: #93 lawhawk

Arrowroot is my favorite thickener. Expensive, worth it.

96 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:22:35am

re: #86 Vicious Babushka

Fleischmann’s green label is available in most supermarkets around here.

I really try to avoid using margarine and non-dairy creamer if I can avoid it, prefer to use olive oil and soy/almond/rice milk.

Oh, snap. I hadn’t even thought about the butter/margarine thing wrt keeping kosher. I know you can’t mix meat with dairy products, but until you guys just mentioned margarine it had never occurred to me that all the things we typically use butter for would be a no-no for you.

It’s hard enough sticking to halal. Keeping kosher is wayyy more complicated.

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:24:31am

re: #93 lawhawk

Finding a parve margarine wasn’t the problem. I’d prefer using something else entirely. I saw a couple of recipes that use white wine and corn starch as thickeners, so I might play around with that approach next time.

I bought a cookbook on Amazon called “How to Veganize Anything!” but they were recommending all kinds of artificial shit like margarine, Coffee rich, that fake cheese they sell at Whole Foods.

98 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:24:53am

re: #95 Obdicut

Arrowroot is my favorite thickener. Expensive, worth it.

I have some in the pantry, gotta try it.

99 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:25:42am

re: #98 Vicious Babushka

I have some in the pantry, gotta try it.

It’s only downside is that it doesn’t mix with dairy.

100 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:26:10am

re: #97 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, I’ve tried to kosher some recipes I’ve seen in various cookbooks, but didn’t think to try rice/almond/soy milk. I’ll have to try that next time.

101 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:26:30am

re: #99 Obdicut

It’s only downside is that it doesn’t mix with dairy.

Thanks for the heads up. But I could use it to thicken a chicken stir-fry sauce?

102 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:27:23am

re: #96 CuriousLurker

It’s hard enough sticking to halal. Keeping kosher is wayyy more complicated.

You mean that Allah grades easier than Yahweh?

103 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:28:02am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

Thanks for the heads up. But I could use it to thicken a chicken stir-fry sauce?

Yes. Oh, and don’t use high temperature. I mean, it’ll still work, but it starts to break down. You can put it in at any time, though, so you can just thicken it at the end over low heat if you need high-heat for the sauce.

104 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:28:15am

re: #96 CuriousLurker

Oh, snap. I hadn’t even thought about the butter/margarine thing wrt keeping kosher. I know you can’t mix meat with dairy products, but until you guys just mentioned margarine it had never occurred to me that all the things we typically use butter for would be a no-no for you.

It’s hard enough sticking to halal. Keeping kosher is wayyy more complicated.

Did you see my page on the lawsuit against McDonald’s for advertising halal and then serving Muslim customers haraam?

105 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:29:22am

re: #99 Obdicut

It’s only downside is that it doesn’t mix with dairy.

Back when I had access to the Food Channel I remember hearing arrowroot was good, but not for everything. Just Googled it:

Compared to corn starch, arrowroot:

• Results in a clearer, shinier texture;
• Survives the freezing process much better; and
• Works better in acidic liquids (certain sauces, soups, etc.)

Where it doesn’t work so well is in many fruit pies and some other baked goods (because it tends to break down under high heat), and in dairy dishes (you’ll end up with a “gooey” texture).

Use arrowroot in place of corn starch whenever your needs match the above.

P.S. Many people are also allergic to corn, and this is probably one of the most common reasons to use arrowroot. If this applies to you, and you’re making a dish that is not suited to arrowroot, tapioca flour/starch is another great thickener and actually thickens better than corn starch.

[Link: cooking.stackexchange.com…]

106 Jolo5309  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:29:36am

re: #102 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean that Allah grades easier than Yahweh?

Well, as you know, Allah’s symbol is the crescent, Yahweh’s is a star, therefore Allah grades on a curve…

107 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:30:40am

re: #106 Jolo5309

Well, as you know, Allah’s symbol is the crescent, Yahweh’s is a star, therefore Allah grades on a curve…

Yellow card.

108 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:30:52am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

Did you see my page on the lawsuit against McDonald’s for advertising halal and then serving Muslim customers haraam?

No, I just got here and haven’t gone thru the Pages yet. I’ll have to go look. Thanks for the heads-up, sounds interesting. Pam must be freaking out. LOL

109 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:31:45am

Speaking of accidental kosher meals…we cooked a whole leg of lamb (bone in) yesterday…threw it in a bath of coconut milk and onions and let it roast at 225 most of the day. Fell off the bone. Took about a pound of that meat and made a Rendang curry, added some saffron potatoes with peas on the side, and steamed some rice. Lovely dinner. Still have about 2-3 lbs of meat. Going to make a shepherd’s pie with some of that.

110 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:32:24am

re: #102 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean that Allah grades easier than Yahweh?

Heh, seems like we all get different rules….

111 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:33:24am

re: #110 CuriousLurker

Heh, seems like we all get different rules….

And some of us get bacon!

112 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:33:50am

re: #109 darthstar

ZOMG, that sounds fantastic.

113 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:34:14am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

SEEKRITZ!

Don’t worry Chipper, the Patriot Act will help keep close tabs on you. If you haven’t done anything wrong you don’t have anything to worry about, right?

114 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:34:51am

re: #111 darthstar

And some of us get bacon!

Hey, I get my halal beef bacon. It’s expensive as hell, but it beats living without it.

115 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:34:51am

re: #113 Eventual Carrion

Don’t worry Chipper, the Patriot Act will help keep close tabs on you. If you haven’t done anything wrong you don’t have anything to worry about, right?

I love using that argument against them.

116 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:35:24am

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Hey, I get me halal beef bacon. It’s expensive as hell, but it beats living without it.

There is kosher pastrami bacon, but it sucks.

117 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:39:27am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

There is kosher pastrami bacon, but it sucks.

The halal beef bacon is pretty good, so is the beef pepperoni & turkey ham, but the beef pastrami they sell in the halal shops is awful, which sucks because I love pastrami on rye. I guess Muslims just don’t do pastrami well.

118 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:42:07am

re: #94 Obdicut

Football and soccer have far, far, far higher risks than many other sports. You’re right that any sport that has collisions is going to have these risks, but there are tons of sports that don’t. Running, swimming, tennis— basically, any sport where you don’t collide with other people or have something collide with your head— are much, much, much safer. It’s an entirely different category, especially since the injuries you get in those sports aren’t ones that affect your brain.

There is no comparison of the average damage from playing football to the average damage from being a runner.

I concur. Just pointing out that the injuries do crop up in other sports. (I have bad ankles from basketball. Friend of mine bad shoulders from playing volleyball.) And even in these non-contact sports* if PEDs were not frowned upon there would be more use of them and thus a much larger exposure of young adults to their effects.

* - I have commented repeatedly that anyone who calls basketball a non-contact sport has probably not played it much. Then again I was taught as a center that if anyone came into the paint while playing defense they were to know that I was there. ;)

119 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:42:26am

re: #117 CuriousLurker

The halal beef bacon is pretty good, so is the beef pepperoni & turkey ham, but the beef pastrami they sell in the halal shops is awful, which sucks because I love pastrami on rye. I guess Muslims just don’t do pastrami well.

There is really no point in having kosher pepperoni since we can’t put it on pizza. :(

120 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:42:28am

re: #117 CuriousLurker

Even the kosher pastrami isn’t as good as it was only a few years ago. With lots of kosher delis going out of business, there are fewer places that take the time to brine and season the pastramis the way they used to - it takes time and money to do them right, and most would rather just deal with the prepackaged varieties that are a fraction of the flavor.

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:43:30am

re: #120 lawhawk

Even the kosher pastrami isn’t as good as it was only a few years ago. With lots of kosher delis going out of business, there are fewer places that take the time to brine and season the pastramis the way they used to - it takes time and money to do them right, and most would rather just deal with the prepackaged varieties that are a fraction of the flavor.

I reissed kriyah and sat shiva when Marky’s in Toronto closed. :(

122 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:43:57am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

There is really no point in having kosher pepperoni since we can’t put it on pizza. :(

Oh darn, right. Because of the cheese.

123 Varek Raith  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:44:28am

I’m hungry now.
I blame you all.

124 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:46:00am

My favorite pizza toppings: mushrooms, green pepper, hot pepper, olives, green onion.

There is a kosher pizza parlor here but I like to make my own because it’s so much better.

125 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:46:25am

Is it lunch time yet?

126 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:49:14am

re: #123 Varek Raith

I’ll accept all the blame. I started it with a comment about chicken pot pie.


mmmmm…. pie…

127 darthstar  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:51:04am

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

There is really no point in having kosher pepperoni since we can’t put it on pizza. :(

Soy cheeses aren’t bad. And I make pizzas without cheese all the time - one of my favorite (not exactly kosher) is bacon and egg on bechamel sauce with a whole wheat crust.

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:51:38am

re: #126 lawhawk

I’ll accept all the blame. I started it with a comment about chicken pot pie.

mmmmm…. pie…

Never cared much for pot pie. For years and years, I tried to get the kids to eat the chicken from the soup. Made pot pie, chicken chow mein, chicken patties, chicken salad, NO FREAKING WAY WOULD THEY EAT “used chicken.”

My mother-in-law always tried to shame me because she fed her kids “used chicken” all week long. It didn’t help the cause that Zedushka also refused to eat “used chicken” once his mother wasn’t serving it.

129 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:52:12am

re: #126 lawhawk

I’ll accept all the blame. I started it with a comment about chicken pot pie.

mmmmm…. pie…

Did someone say Chicken Pot Pie?

130 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:52:43am

re: #120 lawhawk

I’ve never had the opportunity to try kosher pastrami in NY, esp. since I was already Muslim when I moved up here, but back in TX there were a couple of really good Jewish delis, so I had some great hot pastrami sandwiches. And the cheesecake, OMG, the NYC style cheesecake was to die for.

We also had one tiny little pizzeria run by a Sicilian father & son from NYC. They had the best pizza EVER, as good as any you’d find in NYC. Is was perfect just as it was: perfect crust, tomato sauce, fresh mozzarella, then add a dusting of oregano. Heaven on earth.

I was a woman with the soul of a New Yorker trapped in South Texas. If only I’d realized it, I’d have moved up this way years earlier.

131 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:54:14am

Sigh. If only the wife had access to a gun, she could have protected herself and her child, right? RIGHT?

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:55:15am

re: #126 lawhawk

I’ll accept all the blame. I started it with a comment about chicken pot pie.

mmmmm…. pie…

No blame. This is a better discussion that watching derp explosions in Twitter.

I guess you could put pepperoni on white pizza and remain kosher. But that sort of defeats the usual purpose of white pizza (pizza bianca).

133 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:55:34am

re: #89 Feline Fearless Leader

Just about any sport is going to carry its share of risk. Key is educating about those risks, use of proper equipment and preparation (like stretching), and having good supervision and proper priorities; e.g. safety and sportsmanship > winning.

My first thought on reading the bolded part was, “In America? Good luck with that.”

134 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:56:04am

re: #114 CuriousLurker

Hey, I get my halal beef bacon. It’s expensive as hell, but it beats living without it.

I might have to try something like that, sounds good.

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:56:25am

re: #132 Feline Fearless Leader

No blame. This is a better discussion that watching derp explosions in Twitter.

I guess you could put pepperoni on white pizza and remain kosher. But that sort of defeats the usual purpose of white pizza (pizza bianca).

White pizza is still dairy, isn’t it? Just without the tomato sauce.

136 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:57:50am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

I’ve got no issues with eating leftovers. And if I can find a creative way, so much the better.

I make a pretty mean leftover chicken or turkey salad - dried cranberries, walnuts (or any other nut I’ve got in the pantry), onions, celery, and mayo. No complaints :)

137 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:57:55am

Israeli election for dummies: How votes become seats

It’s not that hard: the Bader-Ofer method for distributing Knesset seats.

138 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 7:59:23am

re: #136 lawhawk

I’ve got no issues with eating leftovers. And if I can find a creative way, so much the better.

I make a pretty mean leftover chicken or turkey salad - dried cranberries, walnuts (or any other nut I’ve got in the pantry), onions, celery, and mayo. No complaints :)

I never had a problem getting the kids to eat leftover roast chicken or fried chicken. It was just the chicken from the soup they refused to touch.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:00:06am

re: #133 Romantic Heretic

My first thought on reading the bolded part was, “In America? Good luck with that.”

Heh. You find it here and there. And unfortunately it seems less and less as you move up the age and community scale. Thus the apparent exceptions getting publicity when seen. Combination of parenting factors and the US culture embracing Leo Durocher’s quip of “Nice guys finish last”.

140 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:00:23am

I pretty much facepalmed myself out of bed when this came on the radio this morning.

NPR. Texas. Sigh.

Die-Hard Republicans Rankled By Obama’s 2nd Term

All the greatest hits, including “Socialist State”, “Where’s the Birth Certificate?”, and “Shut That Whole Thing Down”, a stirring power ballad extolling the natural appeal of the Republican party to women voters.

141 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:00:37am

re: #134 Eventual Carrion

I might have to try something like that, sounds good.

They sell non-halal beef bacon up here too. It’s more expensive than pork bacon, but not as expensive as halal. I never saw any kind of beef bacon back in Texas, but things may have changed in the 15 years or so since I left.

Holy crap! I didn’t realize it had been so long since I left… O_o I still feel a little bit like a newbie up here sometimes, but I’ll bet if I ever went back to TX for a visit I’d have a severe case of culture shock.

142 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:00:58am

Wingnuts complain about the eyeroll.

143 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:02:04am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

“Used chicken”—that one’s a keeper. LOL

144 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:02:51am

re: #142 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts complain about the eyeroll.

At this point, my eyes roll involuntarily every time I hear Boehner speak at all, so I certainly can’t hold it against her.

145 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:03:01am

re: #142 Vicious Babushka

But of course. If not that, they would’ve found something else.

146 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:03:40am

My wife’s car (2005 Mustang) had to go into the shop today. The ice on our street was so bad I had to push the car nearly three blocks to get her to a salted road because she was getting zero traction. What would usually take us about 15 seconds took nearly 20 minutes today.

Be careful out there if you’re driving on LI. Or maybe just stay home if you can.

147 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:04:27am

re: #137 Killgore Trout

And there are folks at Likud worried that they’re going to lose more seats. And given the way the Israeli government is set up, it means that Bibi will have to court the right wing to stay in power if he wants to fend off the religious parties - or even cobble together a unity government with Labor or Kadima.

148 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:04:29am

Good morning lizards!

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:04:35am

re: #128 Vicious Babushka

Never cared much for pot pie. For years and years, I tried to get the kids to eat the chicken from the soup. Made pot pie, chicken chow mein, chicken patties, chicken salad, NO FREAKING WAY WOULD THEY EAT “used chicken.”

My mother-in-law always tried to shame me because she fed her kids “used chicken” all week long. It didn’t help the cause that Zedushka also refused to eat “used chicken” once his mother wasn’t serving it.

The approach in our family is to serve the roast chicken, and then make the soup or whatever with the “used chicken” from that.

;)

150 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:04:35am

Militants luring children into Mali fight

Islamist militants in Mali are using candy and money to recruit young children to fight against government and French troops, say villagers and rights groups.

French troops that have intervened in the fighting are very popular in Mali, but the militants, who are not, have taken steps to improve their image among the young, McClatchy Newspapers reported Tuesday.

Witnesses say the militants invite children to join them for tea and give them candy. They tell the youths they are free to walk around town.

They also give the boys money and ask for information about people in the village to learn who are government soldiers or officials, who are then executed.

The gestures to the youth have had results, the McClatchy report said.

Fousseni Traore, a 19-year-old resident in the town of Diabaly, said he saw children as young as 13 fighting with the militants.

“There were more than a hundred of them my age,” said Saidou Berte, 14.

Hundreds of children have been trained by the militants since April 2012, when the rebels took over northern Mali, says Human Rights Watch. Witnesses say they have seen fighters as young as 12 in the rebels’ ranks.

151 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:05:38am

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

White pizza is still dairy, isn’t it? Just without the tomato sauce.

The white pizza recipe I was given is mainly dough and using olive oil. No cheese.

152 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:05:52am

That whole eye roll thing is stupid. Figures that Gawker would be promoting it. We have no idea what she was rolling her eyes at. It also wasn’t exactly a full eye roll. Anyway, she could have been rolling her eyes at both of the them. It’s stupid to try and make anything of it in either direction.

153 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:07:14am

re: #151 Feline Fearless Leader

The white pizza recipe I was given is mainly dough and using olive oil. No cheese.

Because I Googled “white pizza” and got a bunch of recipes for pizza with cheese, without the tomato sauce.

154 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:08:19am

OH NOES! TEH SEEKRIT INVISIBLE EGGZECUTIF ORDERZ TO TAEK URR GUNZ!1!

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:08:40am

re: #147 lawhawk

And there are folks at Likud worried that they’re going to lose more seats. And given the way the Israeli government is set up, it means that Bibi will have to court the right wing to stay in power if he wants to fend off the religious parties - or even cobble together a unity government with Labor or Kadima.

My understanding is that he should be able to easily put together a coalition. Even though there may be a shift to the right it looks like there won’t be much of a change in polices from what we’ve seen the past few years. Is that correct?

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:08:57am

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

Because I Googled “white pizza” and got a bunch of recipes for pizza with cheese, without the tomato sauce.

[Link: wegottaeat.com…]

Here’s an example. I use the recipe from my America’s Test Kitchen book, but the on-line one is blocked I think.

157 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:09:30am

BENGHAZI II

158 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:09:32am

Pizza without cheese isn’t pizza, it’s bread. Or focaccia.

159 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:09:41am

Last executive order.

December 27, 2012
Executive Order — Adjustments of Certain Rates of Pay

160 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:11:44am

re: #158 lawhawk

Pizza without cheese isn’t pizza, it’s bread. Or focaccia.

To a New Yorker like you a hero is some kind of weird sandwich!
;)

161 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:12:45am

re: #147 lawhawk

Israeli politics, oy. I looked into it once naively thinking I might be able to at least wrap my head around the basics. I was quickly disabused of that notion, heh. It’s like trying to get a grip on mercury the way the parties are created, split, form coalitions, etc. O_o

162 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:12:48am

re: #157 Vicious Babushka

BENGHAZI II

While Bryan Fischer blames Canada.
/

163 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:12:54am

re: #141 CuriousLurker

They sell non-halal beef bacon up here too. It’s more expensive than pork bacon, but not as expensive as halal. I never saw any kind of beef bacon back in Texas, but things may have changed in the 15 years or so since I left.

[snip]

I’m over here on the PA/OH border. I’ll have to look around and see what I can find. I bet I could get the Amish country store out by my dads place to do something up for me. They do some great cheeses and meats.

164 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:15:47am

re: #163 Eventual Carrion

I’m over here on the PA/OH border. I’ll have to look around and see what I can find. I bet I could get the Amish country store out by my dads place to do something up for me. They do some great cheeses and meats.

Are they still training the carp in Pymatuning for aiding the amphibious invasion of West Virginia across the Ohio River?
:)

165 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:16:01am

re: #163 Eventual Carrion

I’m over here on the PA/OH border. I’ll have to look around and see what I can find. I bet I could get the Amish country store out by my dads place to do something up for me. They do some great cheeses and meats.

Lucky you! nom, nom, nom. Sadly, there’s not even so much as a weekly farmer’s market where I currently live. I really miss that.

166 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:16:20am

re: #158 lawhawk

Pizza without cheese isn’t pizza, it’s bread. Or focaccia.

I thought this fact was a long-established pillar of civilization. Evidently, there are still evil pizza barbarians running around with their weird ideas.

167 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:16:27am

re: #161 CuriousLurker

Israeli politics, oy. I looked into it once naively thinking I might be able to at least wrap my head around the basics. I was quickly disabused of that notion, heh. It’s like trying to get a grip on mercury the way the parties are created, split, form coalitions, etc. O_o

I thought it was a lot like the UK.

168 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:19:46am

*FACE PALM*

169 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:19:52am

re: #164 Feline Fearless Leader

Are they still training the carp in Pymatuning for aiding the amphibious invasion of West Virginia across the Ohio River?
:)

My son and his wife came up from TX this past summer. We went out to feed the carp at Pymatuning spillway. His wife just stood there laughing at the fish and gulls fighting over the bread we threw. That is a great way to spend a couple hours.

If you know where pymie is then you know where I live. About 12 miles south. Most weekends in spring and summer my son and I can be found fishing the banks of pymie lake.

170 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:22:03am

Ya Know, sometimes, you just want to slap people.

“I really fell in love with the scientific method as a way of establishing knowledge about the world. It eventually dawned on me … that I was actually being anti-science in the way I was talking about GMOs, and that there are many ways a stronger scientific consensus on the safety of GMOs than there is about the reality of climate change.”

Ya think? Did this guy not learn anything abou the scientific method in school?
WTF? Another one of those college graduates … .:0

And what you have you read this morning?

171 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:22:26am

re: #169 Eventual Carrion

My son and his wife came up from TX this past summer. We went out to feed the carp at Pymatuning soillway. His wife just stood there laughing at the fish and gulls fighting over the bread we threw. That is a great way to spend a couple hours.

If you know where pymie is then you know where I live. About 12 miles south. Most weekends in spring and summer my son and I can be found fishing the banks of pymie lake.

I know a little bit about the area. Cousins living up around Cleveland. My brother went to Allegheny in the late 70s. And my mother lived in Meadville for a few years as well in late 90s.

172 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:22:46am

re: #167 Gus

I thought it was a lot like the UK.

Kind of. It’s a parlimentary system but there’s only one house (not an upper and lower house). The complication comes from the rule that parties can agree to take their surplus votes in a district and give them to another party.

173 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:22:51am

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Lucky you! nom, nom, nom. Sadly, there’s not even so much as a weekly farmer’s market where I currently live. I really miss that.

Our farmers market days are Wed. and Sat. mornings at Central Park (our small towns Central Park that is :-))

174 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:23:15am

re: #167 Gus

I thought it was a lot like the UK.

Beyond knowing that they have a parliamentary government, I know nothing about their system either. Never bothered to look into it—my interest in politics mostly stops at the edge of our shores. The only reason I even attempted to understand Israeli politics was because it crops up here so often and has an effect on the I-P conflict, which obviously also comes up here a lot

175 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:24:15am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Ya Know, sometimes, you just want to slap people.

Better late than never, I guess.

(Dumbass)

176 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:24:37am

I was recalling when we were taught about the concept of an Executive Order in 10th-grade civics, and about the scientific method in the sixth grade.

And I have to ask, has education gone that far down hill, or were these guys all just too busy playing pocket pool and starting at the cheerleaders’ tits?

177 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:24:53am

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Beyond knowing that they have a parliamentary government, I know nothing about their system either. Never bothered to look into it—my interest in politics mostly stops at the edge of our shores. The only reason I even attempted to understand Israeli politics was because it crops up here so often and has an effect on the I-P conflict, which obviously also comes up here a lot

The Israeli political system is so fucked up it’s impossible to explain to anyone. Took me years and I still don’t understand it.

178 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:25:09am

re: #150 Killgore Trout

Militants luring children into Mali fight

Unfortunately it’s been no secret that terrorists have been using children to launch terrorist attacks for years. Hamas, Taliban, al-Qaeda, etc…they all are doing it.

179 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:25:32am

re: #176 Sol Berdinowitz

I was recalling when we were taught about the concept of an Executive Order in 10th-grade civics, and about the scientific method in the sixth grade.

And I have to ask, has education gone that far down hill, or were these guys all just too busy playing pocket pool and starting at the cheerleaders’ tits?

I suspect the answer is behind Door #3: you recall those things, but a great many of your former classmates do not.

180 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:26:38am

Mmmm beef bacon. Even better than corned beef for hash. Dice some potatoes, some onion & the beef bacon, fry together in olive oil then scramble some egg in at the end. Serve with toast & hot coffee while watching your favorite NFL team. Best Sunday morning hangover remedy I ever found :)

181 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:27:32am

re: #180 William Barnett-Lewis

It’s, um, Tuesday… that must have been one hell of a Sunday hangover!

182 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:27:55am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

His current coalition is Likud 27, Yisrael Beiteinu 15, Shas 11, Jewish Home 3, Independence (barak’s party) 5, and UTJ 5.

National Union and Jewish Home are the big gainers (getting around 12-15 seats) expected along with Yesh Atid (new party led by Yair Lapid and likely to get around 8-13 seats). Likud/Yisrael Beiteinu are expected to get around 31-34 seats.

It takes 61 to form a majority government. No party in Israeli history has accomplished that. A coalition government is inevitable.

Watch Bibi court Lapid and National Union/Jewish Home to get to 61, with a continued presence of Shas and UTJ. Complicating matters is ongoing issues with trying to get some form of the Tal Law passed (addressing religious exemptions to military/government/public service in some form).

183 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:28:16am

re: #173 Eventual Carrion

Our farmers market days are Wed. and Sat. mornings at Central Park (our small towns Central Park that is :-))

There’s a pretty large one at Union Square in NYC that I used to love going to. I miss it, but it’s just not worth the hassle of getting there from where I live now. :(

184 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:29:24am

re: #167 Gus

It is generally a British style of governance, but the way seats are apportioned in the Knesset is slightly different (Bader-Ofer system).

185 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:29:55am

re: #182 lawhawk

His current coalition is Likud 27, Yisrael Beiteinu 15, Shas 11, Jewish Home 3, Independence (barak’s party) 5, and UTJ 5.

National Union and Jewish Home are the big gainers (getting around 12-15 seats) expected along with Yesh Atid (new party led by Yair Lapid and likely to get around 8-13 seats). Likud/Yisrael Beiteinu are expected to get around 31-34 seats.

It takes 61 to form a majority government. No party in Israeli history has accomplished that. A coalition government is inevitable.

Watch Bibi court Lapid and National Union/Jewish Home to get to 61, with a continued presence of Shas and UTJ. Complicating matters is ongoing issues with trying to get some form of the Tal Law passed (addressing religious exemptions to military/government/public service in some form).

What’s the projection for Am Shalem? Are they any kind of competition to Shas and UTJ?

186 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:31:22am

Okay, I’m off to go read the Pages then get some work done. BBL

187 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:31:50am

These guys were on my drive-time NPR this am. Their version “That little light of mine” was so beautiful, I had to share their site.

188 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:31:58am

Whodathunkit that the FLOTUS might have sparked a trend in bangs. I wonder what hole some of these people live in.

189 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:32:35am

BREATHTAKING FAIL


How’d that “Whisky Rebellion” work out for ya?

190 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:32:38am

How the Vatican built a secret property empire using Mussolini’s millions

Papacy used offshore tax havens to create £500m international portfolio, featuring real estate in UK, France and Switzerland

191 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:33:44am

re: #188 Gus

Whodathunkit that the FLOTUS might have sparked a trend in bangs. I wonder what hole some of these people live in.

Lady Diana —Pearls
Michelle Obama -Bangs

192 calochortus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:33:47am

re: #188 Gus

Whodathunkit that the FLOTUS might have sparked a trend in bangs. I wonder what hole some of these people live in.

Finally, after wearing bangs for the last 30 years of my life, I am on the leading edge of a trend. I’m not sure I’ve ever been in that position before. ;-)

193 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:34:05am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

How’d that “Whisky Rebellion” work out for ya?

Not supportin’ teh troops financially is an interesting definition of ‘patriotic’.

194 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:34:53am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

How the Vatican built a secret property empire using Mussolini’s millions

Vatican has been under scrutiny lately for “transparency” issues.

I keep wondering how far back auditors are willing to go …

195 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:35:44am
How many are patriotic enough for an organized tax strike?

Not a good idea. How did that work out for Wesley Snipes?

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:35:51am

re: #193 erik_t

Not supportin’ teh troops financially is an interesting definition of ‘patriotic’.

They’re only not supporting those troops that Obama is selecting to be willing to shoot at civilians.
//// (massive)

197 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:36:36am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

BREATHTAKING FAIL

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How’d that “Whisky Rebellion” work out for ya?

Wasn’t that the original issue for the Tea Party?

;)

198 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:36:52am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

More to the point, Israeli politics is so personality driven. A doesn’t like B in an existing party? They can quit and form their own new party. They take their followers with them and presto - new political force.

It’s how Kadima came into being, and it’s how it’s all but eviscerated now.

Yair Lapid wants to form new party? Done deal. Now he’s gone from being a journalist to being a potential kingmaker with 8+ seats (depending on the polling and outcome today).

Livni gets ousted from her slot in Kadima and is sidelined. Tries to form political party, but she’s all but an afterthought now.

Barak? Same story - after being associated with Labor, quit to form his own political party.

Only a handful of parties have persisted in Israeli politics and even then, the parties have changed names, merged, or split more than one can count.

199 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:37:33am

May I just say that feet and inches (imperial units) has to be the most annoying form of measurement ever.

200 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:39:23am

BUT CAN HE FORGIVE DEBT?

201 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:39:43am

re: #199 Gus

May I just say that feet and inches (imperial units) has to be the most annoying form of measurement ever.

Young whippersnappers of the last hundred years have no idea how good they have it.

202 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:39:57am

I won’t hold my breath though. Half of America is still tending to their still and going coon hunting when they’re not sitting on their porch playing the banjo.

203 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:40:00am

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

The Israeli political system is so fucked up it’s impossible to explain to anyone. Took me years and I still don’t understand it.

See, now I don’t feel so bad for not understanding Israeli politics when they come up around here. If you’d have a hard time explaining it to someone, then it must be a total Gordian knot.

204 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:40:59am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

BUT CAN HE FORGIVE DEBT?

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Matthew 9:6 should make Fischer wipe his brow with relief, considering all his sins against his fellow man (and reality).

205 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:41:20am

WHAT A FREAKING DRAMA QUEEN


Worse than the Civil War?
Worse than Pearl Harbor?
Worse than the Great Depression?
Worse than 9/11?

Get over your little self.

206 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:41:36am

re: #65 Obdicut

That’s a bad analogy, since the first amendment doesn’t begin with something like “An independent press being necessary to the freedom of the state…” the way the 2nd begins with “A well-regulated militia being necessary for the security of a free state”.

edit: And if it did, the wording wouldn’t be archaic in the modern day, it’d still be highly relevant, unlike the 2nd.

I don’t see why the analogy does not work based on consequences, rather than the details of the language. Besides that language has a ruling that specifies it’s use now. Militia is out.

207 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:41:56am

re: #185 Vicious Babushka

Am Shalem might eke out a seat. Maybe. I’m seeing reports on Twitter saying that Likud’s turnout is bad - may crack 30 seats total. Not good for them at all. Lapid’s party is exceeding expectations.

Shas and UTJ are probably going to maintain their current seat totals. No real competition among the religious parties.

208 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:42:11am

re: #191 FemNaziBitch

Lady Diana —Pearls
Michelle Obama -Bangs

Barbara Bush - Quaker Oats

209 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:42:17am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

BUT CAN HE FORGIVE DEBT?

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The Lord’s Prayer can be translated as “forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors”. True fact. Read it on the internet.

210 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:43:26am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

I’d love a tax rebellion. I, for one, am sick of working hard only to have my tax dollars pay for medicare and SS for elderly Republican voters.

Not really, as being a liberal, I understand the necessity of the welfare state, but this knucklehead probably wouldn’t care for the unintended consequences of a tax strike.

211 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:44:23am

re: #210 Ian G.

I’d love a tax rebellion. I, for one, am sick of working hard only to have my tax dollars pay for medicare and SS for elderly Republican voters.

Not really, as being a liberal, I understand the necessity of the welfare state, but this knucklehead probably wouldn’t care for the unintended consequences of a tax strike.

Increased tariffs on piss and vinegar?
;)

212 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:45:15am

re: #199 Gus

May I just say that feet and inches (imperial units) has to be the most annoying form of measurement ever.

Gills, drams, and hogsheads.

213 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:45:55am

re: #212 Obdicut

Gills, drams, and hogsheads.

Bushel and a peck

214 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:46:19am

re: #206 Political Atheist

I don’t see why the analogy does not work based on consequences, rather than the details of the language. Besides that language has a ruling that specifies it’s use now. Militia is out.

The 2nd amendment is different from every other amendment, because it asserts a reason for its existence— that militias are responsible for the security of a free state.

Doesn’t it bother you that there’s an assertion in the 2nd amendment that is completely untrue?

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:46:39am

Ouch. That’s a rude awakening.

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com…]

Saw something similar to that in Malaysia. School at the base of a bukkit that had a large boulder embedded into one of the walls.

216 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:47:42am

re: #212 Obdicut

Gills, drams, and hogsheads.

Rods. Poles. Perches. Pecks.

BBL

217 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:48:09am
218 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:48:17am

re: #214 Obdicut

The 2nd amendment is different from every other amendment, because it asserts a reason for its existence— that militias are responsible for the security of a free state.

Doesn’t it bother you that there’s an assertion in the 2nd amendment that is completely untrue?

Why militias could have held back a potential invasion by the Soviet Union.

Wolverines!

219 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:48:28am

re: #213 Vicious Babushka

Bushel and a peck

And a hug around the neck?

220 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:48:51am

OUTRAGE!

221 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:49:14am

The constitution is super important and means whatever we want it to mean!

*waves hands impressively*

BBL for real this time.

222 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:50:04am

The metric system is superior and there is no equal.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:50:22am

State school-board president defends Hitler post on Facebook

Seriously, leave Hitler out of our politics. Sheesh. Are these people insane?

224 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:50:29am

Now imagine bringing up the metric system around these Teabillies.

225 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:50:53am

re: #222 Gus

The metric system is superior and there is no equal.

Football is a game of inches.

226 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:51:02am

re: #222 Gus

The metric system is superior and there is no equal.

Those French revolutionaries were such jokers in their enlightened attitudes towards measurement.

227 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:51:13am

re: #222 Gus

The metric system is superior and there is no equal.

Except Celcius.

228 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:51:17am

If this is against LGF rules, Charles, please delete.

This is the disorder I have, there is a link to a White House Petition to get it added as a Disability. Please click and sign.

Thank you sooooo much!

229 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:51:51am

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Football is a game of inches.

That’s fine. Football is a hobby.

230 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:53:18am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

Except Celcius.

Why?

231 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:53:27am

re: #222 Gus

The metric system is superior and there is no equal.

I retweeted your Tweet. That’ll giter done!

232 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:54:18am

re: #225 NJDhockeyfan

Football is a game of inches.

an inch being the length of three barleycorns, taken from the middle of the ear and laid end to end.

How much more scientific can you get?

A “corn” is also a unit of Anglo-Saxon measurement, being, of course, one third of an inch…

233 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:55:04am

re: #231 wrenchwench

I retweeted your Tweet. That’ll giter done!

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Thanks. Speaking of which. All of the crappy bikes are made using imperial units. Come to think of it. The same is true with cars.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:55:34am

re: #232 Sol Berdinowitz

an inch being the length of three barleycorns, taken from the middle of the ear and laid end to end.

How much more scientific can you get?

A “corn” is also a unit of Anglo-Saxon measurement, being, of course, one third of an inch…

Football is a game of three barleycorns just doesn’t sound right.

235 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:56:36am

re: #214 Obdicut

The 2nd amendment is different from every other amendment, because it asserts a reason for its existence— that militias are responsible for the security of a free state.

Doesn’t it bother you that there’s an assertion in the 2nd amendment that is completely untrue?

Regardless of what anyone believes, the Second Amendment has been adjudicated an Individual Right by the Supreme Court. They also declared it is a right that can be Regulated.

That is law, as interpreted, that we have to work with.

236 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:56:49am

re: #233 Gus

Thanks. Speaking of which. All of the crappy bikes are made using imperial units. Come to think of it. The same is true with cars.

Even that is going away, since the crappy bikes as well as the good bikes are all made in China now.

237 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:57:31am

Why feet and inches are a Constitutional right even though I don’t know how to use that either. USA! USA! USA!

238 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:57:41am

Harvard geneticist suggests cloning Neanderthals for diversity

A genetics professor at Harvard University says scientists have developed the technology to clone long extinct Neanderthals. He says the only obstacles are laws prohibiting cloning and finding a human female who is willing to carry the baby.

Uh, okey dokie.

239 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 8:59:28am

re: #236 wrenchwench

Even that is going away, since the crappy bikes as well as the good bikes are all made in China now.

I used to have a Bob Jackson frame. 531 tubing and all that. It was all metric except for the wheels which were 27 inch.

240 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:00:57am

re: #232 Sol Berdinowitz

an inch being the length of three barleycorns, taken from the middle of the ear and laid end to end.

How much more scientific can you get?

A “corn” is also a unit of Anglo-Saxon measurement, being, of course, one third of an inch…

Image: funny-pictures-hamster-has-small-corn.jpg

241 Destro  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:01:05am

re: #69 Obdicut

Depends what you mean by performance-enhancing drug. I bet a linebacker on PCP would perform well.

Performance-enhancing drugs should be a medical issue. If they’re medically safe to use— and in some cases, the drugs would actually be medically beneficial— then allow them.

Atheletes often destroy their bodies while playing sports. Sure, they’re highly compensated, but a large percentage of athletes in America’s favorite sports wind up bankrupt shortly after their career ends. They’re used to having a huge income, they don’t learn how to invest, and they’re often taken advantage of. So you get a lot of cases of guys with blown-out knees, cognitive difficulty from concussions, bankrupt at the age of thirty-five. Sure, they had a nice life while they were playing, but now they’re fucking screwed.

If there’s anything that’ll help them heal while they’re playing, we should promote it, not ban it. Most of these drugs have bad side-effects, but playing football has a fucking terrible side effect too. It should be a medical decision, not a ‘purity of the game’ argument.

I was thinking of an old SNL skit about the “all drug Olympics”

[Link: www.hulu.com…]

242 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:01:29am

re: #239 Gus

I used to have a Bob Jackson frame. 531 tubing and all that. It was all metric except for the wheels which were 27 inch.

Your bike snob credential has just been validated.

243 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:01:59am

re: #189 Vicious Babushka

BREATHTAKING FAIL

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How’d that “Whisky Rebellion” work out for ya?

Accept any form of government assistance == lazy deadbeat lowlife victim 47%
Conspiracy to avoid paying taxes == brave heroic patriotic upstanding citizen

244 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:02:18am

re: #241 Destro

I was thinking of an old SNL skit about the “all drug Olympics”

[Link: www.hulu.com…]

If there’s anything that’ll help them heal while they’re playing, we should promote it,

Prolotherapy

245 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:03:21am

FAKE FAKE FAKE (just look at the area where Detroit & Chicago are)

246 dragonath  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:04:22am

re: #224 Gus

Now imagine bringing up the metric system around these Teabillies.

You’ll have to pry the acre from our cold, dead hands!

247 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:04:51am

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

That sounds like the plot of a bad sci-fi/horror movie.

248 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:05:49am

These people really need to punch their cultural references forward a few decades. Communism is so 1980’s.

249 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:06:25am

re: #244 FemNaziBitch

Prolotherapy

250 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:06:39am

Oh, wait.

251 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:06:53am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

FAKE FAKE FAKE (just look at the area where Detroit & Chicago are)

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Or freakin’ Vermont. Based on that graphic, the entire state of Vermont would be as dangerous as the worst parts of Detroit or Memphis or Oakland.

252 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:07:09am

re: #246 dragonath

43,560 square feet. Hang on. I need to vomit now. //

253 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:07:59am

re: #247 Ian G.

That sounds like the plot of a bad sci-fi/horror movie.

Yes, we should regulate free thought.

254 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:08:20am

OUTRAGE!

255 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:09:03am

Breaking: LIBERAL SCIENTIST AT ELITIST HARVARD UNIVERSITY WANTS TO IMPREGNATE WOMENS TO CREATE NEANDERTHAL MAN TO PROMOTE LIBTARDIAN DIVERSITY!!11TY

256 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:09:29am

re: #251 Ian G.

Or freakin’ Vermont. Based on that graphic, the entire state of Vermont would be as dangerous as the worst parts of Detroit or Memphis or Oakland.

And Upper Minnesota. Why is Upper Minnesota so dangerous? Must be them gun-running Canadians.

257 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:09:56am
258 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:10:13am
259 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:10:18am

re: #235 FemNaziBitch

Regardless of what anyone believes, the Second Amendment has been adjudicated an Individual Right by the Supreme Court. They also declared it is a right that can be Regulated.

That is law, as interpreted, that we have to work with.

That’s not my fucking point. My point is that we have a Constitution, the law of our land, that has an assertion in it that’s absolutely untrue. I don’t get why this doesn’t bug people, I don’t get why it doesn’t bug gun enthusiasts especially.

The 2nd amendment states that the purpose of people having the right to carry arms is because militias are necessary for the protection of a free state. I absolutely know that legally, that doesn’t mean that it invalidates the amendment, that it’s ‘flavor text’ as it were. It is still an absolutely untrue statement and it’s in our most important document, and that’s not trivial.

I really feel that gun enthusiasts don’t want to have this conversation because it makes them uncomfortable to deal with the fact that the 2nd amendment clearly states the reason for its existence, and that that reason is not something that’s true any more.

260 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:10:23am

*sigh*

Let them try. They’ll be in for a rude awakening when law enforcement and the military don’t take kindly to their opening fire.

261 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:10:41am

re: #248 Lidane

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These people really need to punch their cultural references forward a few decades. Communism is so 1980’s.

“I disowned my Lesbian-Daughter” Alan Keyes

can kiss my ass.

262 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:10:46am

Uhhhh, no. That’s not what he’s talking about.

263 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:11:35am

Derp.

264 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:12:17am

re: #259 Obdicut

That’s not my fucking point. My point is that we have a Constitution, the law of our land, that has an assertion in it that’s absolutely untrue. I don’t get why this doesn’t bug people, I don’t get why it doesn’t bug gun enthusiasts especially.

The 2nd amendment states that the purpose of people having the right to carry arms is because militias are necessary for the protection of a free state. I absolutely know that legally, that doesn’t mean that it invalidates the amendment, that it’s ‘flavor text’ as it were. It is still an absolutely untrue statement and it’s in our most important document, and that’s not trivial.

I really feel that gun enthusiasts don’t want to have this conversation because it makes them uncomfortable to deal with the fact that the 2nd amendment clearly states the reason for its existence, and that that reason is not something that’s true any more.

My point that is is a waste of time to engage them in any such conversation. Let’s work with the law as it is currently interpreted and move on.

265 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:13:15am

re: #260 Lidane

*sigh*

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Let them try. They’ll be in for a rude awakening when law enforcement and the military don’t take kindly to their opening fire.

Russia today, Huffington post and the Anonymous logo? That preview is just too good to pass up.

266 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:14:05am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

FAKE FAKE FAKE (just look at the area where Detroit & Chicago are)

Lake County MN, population about 10,000, is allegedly a high contributor to gun violence. 2010 data, since it’s the year I happened to find: zero murders, zero robbery, two aggravated assaults.

Houston, TX, metro population around six million, is a low contributor. 16.3 murders per 100,000.

Seems legit.

267 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:14:20am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

I’m sorry, I’m not seeing it. It looks like the voting map correctly assigns them blue— democratic votes— and the gun violence one assigns them red— high incidence of gun violence.

However, they got the colors inverted on the gun violence section of it, like idiots.

268 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:14:55am

ahhhhhh! My interent time has been curtailed.

Have a great morning all!

269 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:15:18am

The firing squad is getting a bit circular:

270 jaunte  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:15:25am

re: #262 Gus

I see from the Bloomberg piece that Church never said he was looking for an adventurous woman, but somehow now that’s the story.

“Scientist seeks ‘adventurous woman’ to have Neanderthal baby”

Fox News, spinning golden hits from nada.

271 dragonath  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:16:45am

re: #269 Lidane

The firing squad is getting a bit circular:

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Is this what CHAOS feels like?

Moar plz.

272 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:18:46am

re: #270 jaunte

I see from the Bloomberg piece that Church never said he was looking for an adventurous woman, but somehow now that’s the story.

Fox News, spinning golden hits from nada.

That’s because he helped start the human genome project. So, they’re using it as an excuse for a broader based attack on science. His book is about something he calls “regenisis.” It seems rather futuristic. But yes, there’s creationists behind this and the usual anti-science, and anti-academia crowds. It reminds me of the attacks on John Holdren; Folsom Street Fair voyeur, Zombietime; et al.

273 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:19:18am

re: #264 FemNaziBitch

My point that is is a waste of time to engage them in any such conversation. Let’s work with the law as it is currently interpreted and move on.

I don’t feel it is a waste of time. I reject that entirely. Why is asking people to consider the origin of the 2nd amendment, and to consider whether the language is hopelessly archaic, a waste of time?

It seems like people want to only talk about what we can do next week. Screw that. That’s what gets us into these fucking messes in the first place. We need to honestly address the biggest problem in our laws not just here with gun control but across the board— archaism. I’m not just talking about the stupid laws about horses not being able to sleep in bathtubs in Kentucky and stuff like that, but regulations being based on twenty-year old information, taxes still being in existence whose purpose was to pay for the Spanish American war, and shit like that.

This is not just academic. This is civics. This matters. We can’t just be lawyers about the law. We have to be citizens about it.

With the GOP in their current derpfest, you might as well say we can’t get anything passed and so there’s no point in trying much. Or because global warming is going to come kick our asses there’s no use in doing much of anything. Short-term goals are great, but that doesn’t mean that we can’t think about things and talk about things outside. Separate the idea of what we can achieve and what we can think about, because far too fucking often we let what we can achieve also limit our thought.

274 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:19:45am

re: #247 Ian G.

That sounds like the plot of a bad sci-fi/horror movie.

Job security - GEICO.

275 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:20:11am

re: #269 Lidane

The firing squad is getting a bit circular:

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America is definitely in chaos. The busboys at the Argentinian restaurant across the street haven’t smoked a joint yet today. something must be wrong.

276 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:20:16am

So Joe Q. Redneck should have access to the same level of firepower as the government?

Thanks, but no.

277 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:20:54am

re: #267 Obdicut

I’m sorry, I’m not seeing it. It looks like the voting map correctly assigns them blue— democratic votes— and the gun violence one assigns them red— high incidence of gun violence.

However, they got the colors inverted on the gun violence section of it, like idiots.

I think the “gun violence” map is just the same as the voting map, and they faded the colors on the “voting map” to make them look different.

278 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:21:14am

A lot of the new people missed this. But here’s Zombietime who used to be an LGF member:

John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, says: Forced abortions and mass sterilization needed to save the planet

Forced abortions. Mass sterilization. A “Planetary Regime” with the power of life and death over American citizens.

The tyrannical fantasies of a madman? Or merely the opinions of the person now in control of science policy in the United States? Or both?

These ideas (among many other equally horrifying recommendations) were put forth by John Holdren, whom Barack Obama has recently appointed Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, Assistant to the President for Science and Technology, and Co-Chair of the President’s Council of Advisors on Science and Technology — informally known as the United States’ Science Czar. In a book Holdren co-authored in 1977, the man now firmly in control of science policy in this country wrote that:

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation’s drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who “contribute to social deterioration” (i.e. undesirables) “can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility” — in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational “Planetary Regime” should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans’ lives — using an armed international police force.

Continues.

279 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:21:35am

re: #214 Obdicut

The 2nd amendment is different from every other amendment, because it asserts a reason for its existence— that militias are responsible for the security of a free state.

Doesn’t it bother you that there’s an assertion in the 2nd amendment that is completely untrue?

Not much because we have a ruling that finally sorts that out. The fact is such a belated ruling is a darn shame. I’ll tell you what always bugged me-And still does. This individual right is still being treated as some kind of proverbial ugly stepchild in the family.

280 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:22:08am

Dr. Holdren has yet to take over the USA let alone the universe.

281 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:22:17am

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

I think the “gun violence” map is just the same as the voting map, and they faded the colors on the “voting map” to make them look different.

Ohhh, maybe, yeah, I see what you mean.

Anyway, without an actual citation, it’s worthless.

282 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:23:10am

re: #276 Lidane

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So Joe Q. Redneck should have access to the same level of firepower as the government?

Thanks, but no.

Crap. You mean to tell me that the Denver PD has more firepower than I ever will? That’s freaking unreal!!

//

283 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:23:19am

re: #281 Obdicut

Ohhh, maybe, yeah, I see what you mean.

Anyway, without an actual citation, it’s worthless.

Yeah, because “Upper Minnesota” has so much more gun violence than Chicago and Detroit. FAIL.

284 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:23:35am

Hey, VB — looks like the “MLK was a Zionist!” thing is still going on Twitter.

I won’t embed the tweet I just found since it goes to a site called Barenaked Islam which looks like a hate site, but it’s on the current #TGDN feed.

285 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:23:57am

re: #277 Vicious Babushka

I think the “gun violence” map is just the same as the voting map, and they faded the colors on the “voting map” to make them look different.

Obviously cities are going to contribute highly to gun violence, and we know that cities trend Democratic. One could probably make a map (properly weighted demographically, of course) to try to make this point in a technically correct albeit disingenuous manner (since it doesn’t control for so many relevant variables).

I think this map is just fucking fake.

286 jaunte  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:24:20am

re: #280 Gus

Dr. Holdren has yet to take over the USA let alone the universe.

FEMA coffins being stockpiled as we speak.

287 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:24:55am

re: #286 jaunte

FEMA coffins being stockpiled as we speak.

Remember that shit? I can’t believe we tolerated that creep.

288 dragonath  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:25:59am

re: #278 Gus

Oh, goody, I haven’t heard much about the CZARS lately amidst the communist revolution.

289 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:26:17am

re: #284 Lidane

Hey, VB — looks like the “MLK was a Zionist!” thing is still going on Twitter.

I won’t embed the tweet I just found since it goes to a site called Barenaked Islam which looks like a hate site, but it’s on the current #TGDN feed.

Saw that, I did not click on the link, thought it went to Jihadwatch. Pam removed the link to my site and then did some frantic drunken Googling to find some other sites that were still relying on that email CAMERA sent out 14 years ago.

290 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:28:04am

re: #283 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, because “Upper Minnesota” has so much more gun violence than Chicago and Detroit. FAIL.

It might, actually, as a percentage of the population. It’s entirely possible.

This is from the Atlantic, showing the reverse of what’s being claimed is true.


[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

The highest correlation between gun violence and anything was a vote for McCain.

Holy crap, did I misread that. I thought it was the claim that the places that voted more for Romney had higher gun crime. Because, well, that’s reality.

291 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:29:15am

re: #290 Obdicut

It might, actually, as a percentage of the population. It’s entirely possible.

This, from the Atlantic, backs it up, actually:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

The highest correlation between gun violence and anything was a vote for McCain.

So it’s actually entirely possible that map is correct.

The map at TheAtlantic is nothing like the map on Twitter.

292 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:29:20am

re: #284 Lidane

Hey, VB — looks like the “MLK was a Zionist!” thing is still going on Twitter.

I won’t embed the tweet I just found since it goes to a site called Barenaked Islam which looks like a hate site, but it’s on the current #TGDN feed.

Assholes they are.

293 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:31:11am

re: #291 Vicious Babushka

The map at TheAtlantic is nothing like the map on Twitter.

Yeah, I was reading the twitter map exactly backwards, I’m an idiot.

Anyway, upper Minnesota might have a higher incidence of gun crime per capita than Chicago. That’s entirely within the bounds of reason.

And the highest correlation between anything and gun violence, even higher than poverty, is a vote for the GOP.

And areas with the assault weapon ban have lower incidences of gun crime.
Correlation is not causation, of course.

294 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:31:23am

Looks like TGDN is “infested” with a lot of Constitutional Party lunatics.

295 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:31:39am

Burn the books! Anyone remember that?

296 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:31:50am

re: #285 erik_t

Maps I’ve seen showing gun violence are typically in per capita form and statewide, not down to county/district levels. See this map for example.

FBI crime map is by region - and the South fares poorly for violent crime compared to other regions.

This FBI data sheet could be used to create a map, but it wouldn’t result in that map.

297 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:31:51am

re: #290 Obdicut

It might, actually, as a percentage of the population. It’s entirely possible.

This, from the Atlantic, backs it up, actually:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com…]

The highest correlation between gun violence and anything was a vote for McCain.

Again, my spot-check finds essentially zero gun violence in Lake County, which went 60/40 for Obama yet is alleged on the above map to be a ‘high violence’ region.

It’s just a flat-out lie.

298 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:32:03am

re: #292 Gus

Assholes they are.

Don’t know the site, but the brief glimpse I got told me they weren’t pleasant people. That’s why I didn’t embed the Tweet which links to them.

299 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:33:28am

re: #297 erik_t

Again, my spot-check finds essentially zero gun violence in Lake County, which went 60/40 for Obama yet is alleged on the above map to be a ‘high violence’ region.

It’s just a flat-out lie.

Yeah, again, I was reading it backwards. Refresh page for my updated comments.

They basically probably just inverted the reality, because that’s what you have to do in GOP-land these days in order to have a defensible position.

300 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:34:17am

re: #257 Gus

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Without even Googling it…I’m assuming the FLOTUS’ middle name starts with an A.

301 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:34:48am

Socialism!

302 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:35:19am

re: #299 Obdicut

Yeah, again, I was reading it backwards. Refresh page for my updated comments.

They basically probably just inverted the reality, because that’s what you have to do in GOP-land these days in order to have a defensible position.

No, they just took THE EXACT SAME FREAKING MAP and faded the colors on one of them to make it look “different”

303 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:36:46am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

No, they just took THE EXACT SAME FREAKING MAP and faded the colors on one of them to make it look “different”

All twitter linking is borked for me. Does anyone still have it cached? Can they take a snapshot?

304 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:37:44am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

No, they just took THE EXACT SAME FREAKING MAP and faded the colors on one of them to make it look “different”

Either explanation would work perfectly well, given the data from the Atlantic. The voting map and the gun deaths map would tend to look highly similar.

305 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:38:03am

re: #303 erik_t

All twitter linking is borked for me. Does anyone still have it cached? Can they take a snapshot?

Image: twittergunmap.jpg

306 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:38:42am

Jake McNiece, Ponca City WWII veteran and ‘Dirty Dozen’ inspiration, dies at 93

PONCA CITY - James “Jake” McNiece, the leader of a World War II group that came to be known as the “Dirty Dozen,” died Monday, relatives said. He was 93.

Funeral arrangements are pending with Trout Funeral Home.

McNiece, a retired Ponca City postal worker, commanded a group of rough men nicknamed “The Filthy 13” who served as the inspiration for the 1967 movie “The Dirty Dozen.”

Hours before the June 6, 1944, D-Day invasion, McNiece led 18 paratroopers behind enemy lines to destroy two bridges and control a third to prevent German reinforcements from moving into Normandy and to cut off retreating German troops.

307 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:38:43am

re: #279 Political Atheist

Not much because we have a ruling that finally sorts that out. The fact is such a belated ruling is a darn shame. I’ll tell you what always bugged me-And still does. This individual right is still being treated as some kind of proverbial ugly stepchild in the family.

The stepchild may not be ugly, but some ugly things are being done in its name.

308 jaunte  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:38:43am

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time
with faked gun violence maps.

—Thomas Jefferson

309 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:39:28am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Image: twittergunmap.jpg

I’m sorry for reading it backwards at first, but the fucking idiocy of what they’re suggesting is just bizarre. That map suggest there’s a high incidence of gun violence in Marin County, the hippiest douchebag wildlife preserve for granola-crunching nutburgers (many of whom are my friends and who I deeply adore) in California.

310 erik_t  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:39:50am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Image: twittergunmap.jpg

Sure enough, I cannot find a single region that runs contrary to the alleged national trends. To say that this doesn’t pass the smell test is incredibly generous.

SMITHERS, ENGAGE THE BIG LIE

311 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:41:09am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

Image: twittergunmap.jpg

The map on the left looks like this map:

Image: BushCountry04Map.jpg

312 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:41:15am

re: #307 wrenchwench

Agreed. Hence we need to work to a consensus on the limits of that right. Arguing against it’s existence at this point is not helpful to that need. “Bearable” arms of a (yet to be determined) reasonable power capacity and conceal ability.

313 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:42:47am

Gun crimes will include robberies. Obviously you’re going to have higher concentrations of gun robberies in metropolitan areas which are by and large Democratic strongholds. Also obvious is that you’re not going to see many people getting mugged at gun point in the middle of a corn field.

314 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:43:24am

re: #311 Gus

The map on the left looks like this map:

Image: BushCountry04Map.jpg

It’s not even worth the trouble of responding to this tweet that it’s a FAKE, in an ocean of fakes that is #TGDN.

315 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:43:51am

re: #312 Political Atheist

Agreed. Hence we need to work to a consensus on the limits of that right. Arguing against it’s existence at this point is not helpful to that need. “Bearable” arms of a (yet to be determined) reasonable power capacity and conceal ability.

I don’t believe in ‘consensus’. I believe in ‘politically feasible’. I also believe in the amendability of the Constitution, though that would be a long-term thing, and we need something done much more quickly.

316 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:45:15am

re: #279 Political Atheist

Not much because we have a ruling that finally sorts that out.

It doesn’t sort it out. It says that, legally, the part about militias, the purpose of the law, doesn’t invalidate the law itself. That doesn’t sort out the fact that the reason the 2nd amendment exists, the reason it is there, is because the founding fathers believed militias were necessary for the existence of a free state. This is not true. So, philosophically, does the 2nd amendment have relevance? What is the reason for it, since the original reason is gone?

The fact is such a belated ruling is a darn shame. I’ll tell you what always bugged me-And still does. This individual right is still being treated as some kind of proverbial ugly stepchild in the family.

That may be because the 2nd amendment clearly states the reason for its existence, and that reason isn’t true.

Again: I am not arguing from a legal perspective. I’m not saying that because there are no militias anymore and because the reasoning given in the amendment is completely untrue that therefore the amendment is invalid. That is absolutely not how the law works and I know it.

What I’m saying is that the 2nd amendment does not provide a philosophical justification for gun ownership being prized above all other rights to own dangerous shit, and so if you want to actually put a convincing argument together about why— not about the legality of it, but about why— then the 2nd is a broken reed.

If you would rather just take the freebie and ignore the glaring fact that the 2nd amendment is completely archaic, and not make an argument based on actual reason and philosophical values, comparable to how we argue for the right of citizens to posses other dangerous things, feel free. Right now, there is no chance of the 2nd amendment going away or the law being reinterpreted. But a future Supreme Court could very well reinterpret that— it was a 5:4 decision— so if you really want to support your cause stop relying on that broken reed.

317 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:45:17am

re: #245 Vicious Babushka

FAKE FAKE FAKE (just look at the area where Detroit & Chicago are)

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First, I’d love to know how the “gun violence” numbers were extracted from the FBI report since that’s not a category they use.

Second, I know because I’ve run the numbers myself that they’re using absolute instead of proportional measure. (total count, not incidents per 100,000 population.)

318 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:46:17am

If all these anti-abortion protestors want to “save the little babies” then they should extract all the babies out of women’s wombs and secure them in their own safe little cabbages.//

WIMMENZ IZ TEH CABBAGEZ!1!

319 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:46:25am

re: #313 Gus

Gun crimes will include robberies. Obviously you’re going to have higher concentrations of gun robberies in metropolitan areas which are by and large Democratic strongholds. Also obvious is that you’re not going to see many people getting mugged at gun point in the middle of a corn field.

It’s not necessarily true, actually, according to the research the Atlantic did. But they just did gun deaths, not gun violence— gun deaths would include suicide, but I feel that it’s very fair to talk about suicide in the context of gun control because access to guns very definitely raises suicide risk and lowers suicide survivability.

320 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:46:36am
321 Mattand  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:46:37am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

BUT CAN HE FORGIVE DEBT?

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322 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:48:26am

re: #319 Obdicut

It’s not necessarily true, actually, according to the research the Atlantic did. But they just did gun deaths, not gun violence— gun deaths would include suicide, but I feel that it’s very fair to talk about suicide in the context of gun control because access to guns very definitely raises suicide risk and lowers suicide survivability.

Ah, I was thinking gun violence which would include all forms. Gun deaths would include gun accidents. In which case you would see more accidental gun deaths in rural areas due to the obvious such as higher levels of gun ownership, hunting accidents, etc, etc.

323 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:49:44am

re: #315 wrenchwench

I’m pretty comfortable with the Biden/Obama initiative. It’s an excellent start. passage of course will require a greater consensus / political feasibility than we have seen. It is shameful that this did not start as soon as the big SCOTUS rulings came out. That was the time to start. Two years ago.
The courts have been doing their part since.
United States Courts of Appeals decisions since Heller
Sorry I do not know the HTML to have that link start at the right part of the page.

324 Shvaughn  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:52:13am

About the map things, this XKCD comic seems relevant:

[Link: xkcd.com…]

325 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:53:33am

re: #323 Political Atheist

I’m pretty comfortable with the Biden/Obama initiative. It’s an excellent start. passage of course will require a greater consensus / political feasibility than we have seen. It is shameful that this did not start as soon as the big SCOTUS rulings came out. That was the time to start. Two years ago.
The courts have been doing their part since.
United States Courts of Appeals decisions since Heller
Sorry I do not know the HTML to have that link start at the right part of the page.

Go to that page, go to the box that says ‘Contents’, click on the title of the part to which you are referring, and the address in the bar at the top will be changed to the one that goes directly to that part.

326 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:55:11am

re: #316 Obdicut

It doesn’t sort it out. It says that, legally, the part about militias, the purpose of the law, doesn’t invalidate the law itself. That doesn’t sort out the fact that the reason the 2nd amendment exists, the reason it is there, is because the founding fathers believed militias were necessary for the existence of a free state. This is not true. So, philosophically, does the 2nd amendment have relevance? What is the reason for it, since the original reason is gone?

That may be because the 2nd amendment clearly states the reason for its existence, and that reason isn’t true.

Again: I am not arguing from a legal perspective. I’m not saying that because there are no militias anymore and because the reasoning given in the amendment is completely untrue that therefore the amendment is invalid. That is absolutely not how the law works and I know it.

What I’m saying is that the 2nd amendment does not provide a philosophical justification for gun ownership being prized above all other rights to own dangerous shit, and so if you want to actually put a convincing argument together about why— not about the legality of it, but about why— then the 2nd is a broken reed.

.

Other kinds of “dangerous shit” don’t support self defense. The winning interpretation by the court combined with the obvious strength of the human right to protect yourself and others like family are no “broken reed”.

Archaic language is what we have. We just have to deal with it.

327 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:55:54am

Work beckons….


BBL

328 gwangung  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:56:20am

re: #312 Political Atheist

Agreed. Hence we need to work to a consensus on the limits of that right. Arguing against it’s existence at this point is not helpful to that need. “Bearable” arms of a (yet to be determined) reasonable power capacity and conceal ability.

My reasoning is that if, in the course of normal function, you are going to cause collateral damage, then that right has to be regulated. You can’t expect superhuman marksmanship, so if your misses are likely to cause damage, then, as a responsible gun owner, you must expect to be regulated (and if you DO hit your target, but your ammunition is likely to continue onward and cause damage, then expect to be regulated).

329 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:56:38am

I don’t get it. Seems like a case of rather silly finger pointing. Pull out a map and say “see conservatives have a higher rate of gun deaths” or “see liberals have a higher rate of gun deaths.” It’s pointless. I think the goal is to lower gun deaths for EVERYBODY.

330 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:57:56am

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

Today’s good news: “The Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”

bad news:

he didn’t authorize you to speak for him

331 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:58:23am

You know, fringe issues like poverty, education, and helping people in need.

These people are totally batshit. When did it become fringe to help those who need it?

332 Mattand  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:58:23am

re: #326 Political Atheist

Archaic language is what we have. We just have to deal with it.

I’m sure the parents of the Sandy Hook murder victims will understand.

333 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:58:35am

*HEAD DESK*

334 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:59:44am

HOLY CRAP, IT’S GOT LEGS

335 Lidane  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 9:59:54am

re: #323 Political Atheist

It is shameful that this did not start as soon as the big SCOTUS rulings came out. That was the time to start. Two years ago.

Tell me again how Obama could have gotten any gun control legislation passed with a teabagger House bent on making him a one-term President.

336 Mattand  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:00:04am

re: #331 Lidane

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You know, fringe issues like poverty, education, and helping people in need.

These people are totally batshit. When did it become fringe to help those who need it?

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:01:39am

re: #276 Lidane

Taxpayers are paying huge sums of money to arm our EMPLOYEES (i.e. government) with better weapons than their employers.

So Joe Q. Redneck should have access to the same level of firepower as the government?

Thanks, but no.

We hired these “employees” to go off and fight terrorists and foreign armies. If you wanna take that task on by yourself, I guess you are welcome to…

338 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:02:38am

BREAKING: Teen Shooting Suspect Had Contemplated Killings for ‘At Least A Week’

Bernalillo County Sheriff Dan Houston and one of his top investigators said during a news conference this morning that 15-year-old Nehemiah Griego had been planning violence for “at least a week.”

Investigators are still trying to determine who, if anyone, he told about his plans. Among those detectives are considering as someone who may have known is Griego’s 12-year-old girlfriend.

Shortly after he allegedly shot his mother while she slept — around 1 a.m. Saturday — Griego texted a picture of his mother’s body to his girlfriend, Houston told reporters.

[…]

Other new details that came out during the news conference:

Covington said Nehemiah was fond of playing video games, including Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto.

Houston said that although he has numerous arrests in his past, it does not appear Greg Griego was a convicted felon.

Covington said it appears some of the guns owned by Greg Griego — including possibly those used in the killings — had been purchased by Greg Griego’s friends and then either sold or given to the pastor. BCSO is working with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to trace the history of those guns, as well as the two pistol-grip 12-gauge shotguns that were found in the Griegos’ home on the 2800 block of Long Lane SW.

Not determined: whether playing video games has any relevance whatsoever.

339 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:03:35am

re: #326 Political Atheist

Other kinds of “dangerous shit” don’t support self defense.

There you go, you’re beginning to make an argument that’s not just pointing to the 2nd. However, you’re wrong: There’s lots of other self-defense shit, like retractable batons, tazers, dogs, etc that are for self defense.

The winning interpretation by the court combined with the obvious strength of the human right to protect yourself and others like family are no “broken reed”.

Hanging your hat on a 5-4 supreme court decision and expecting it to last forever is very foolish.

340 Gus  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:08:43am

Just because I can…

Douche.

Nozzle.

341 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:09:56am

re: #339 Obdicut

Dred Scott was a 7-2 decision. Plessy v. Ferguson was 7-1. They was overturned. It’s not inconceivable that other clear majority decisions could be overturned/repudiated despite a long history of stare decisis, let alone one that was by a 5-4 margin.

342 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:12:38am

re: #326 Political Atheist

Other kinds of “dangerous shit” don’t support self defense.

Guns don’t support self defense either. Owning a gun makes you less safe than you would be if you didn’t own one.

343 efuseakay  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:13:49am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

WHAT A FREAKING DRAMA QUEEN


Worse than the Civil War?
Worse than Pearl Harbor?
Worse than the Great Depression?
Worse than 9/11?

Get over your little self.

Key phrase “that I can remember” ie. OMGZ A BLACK PRESDUNT!

344 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:18:36am

re: #284 Lidane

Hey, VB — looks like the “MLK was a Zionist!” thing is still going on Twitter.

I won’t embed the tweet I just found since it goes to a site called Barenaked Islam which looks like a hate site, but it’s on the current #TGDN feed.

Barenaked Islam is a hate site. Some articles there advocate the violent suppression of Muslims, and there are links to places like Gates of Vienna and the EDL.

I also found a link to Rev. Terry Jones’ (of Koran-burning fame) website who has on his main page something that I personally think should get him a visit from the Secret Service.

Linked (via Google Cache) so you can judge for yourselves:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com…]

345 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:19:56am

re: #342 iossarian

Guns don’t support self defense either. Owning a gun makes you less safe than you would be if you didn’t own one.

In certain specialized circumstances, they can support self-defense, and if we had much higher standards of training and regulation, those numbers would change too.

346 iossarian  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 10:25:03am

re: #345 Obdicut

In certain specialized circumstances, they can support self-defense, and if we had much higher standards of training and regulation, those numbers would change too.

True. I’m talking about the statistical aggregate.

347 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:03:30am

re: #338 wrenchwench

BREAKING: Teen Shooting Suspect Had Contemplated Killings for ‘At Least A Week’

Covington said Nehemiah was fond of playing video games, including Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto.

The above quote is interesting, because I linked to the newspaper page (the one I believe you recommended) where it said the father didn’t allow any violent video games or TV in the house. I guess he could have played them elsewhere, but that info directly contradicts what was previously reported.

348 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 22, 2013 11:06:55am

re: #347 makeitstop

The above quote is interesting, because I linked to the newspaper page (the one I believe you recommended) where it said the father didn’t allow any violent video games or TV in the house. I guess he could have played them elsewhere, but that info directly contradicts what was previously reported.

Yeah, I saw somewhere that he played them despite his father’s ban on having them in the house.


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