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Insane New Republican Bill Would Send Women to Jail for Having Abortions After Rape

What the hell is wrong with these people?
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Last week we saw a flurry of news articles about Republicans being taught how to talk about rape, because the victim-blaming thing just wasn’t working out as they’d hoped.

Well, they’ve still got a lot of work to do if they plan to hide their sickness; case in point, New Mexico Republican Rep. Cathrynn Brown (yes, a woman), who is introducing a bill that would send women to jail if they get an abortion after being raped.

And the rationale for this insane bill is even worse. The same Republicans who preach about the “sanctity of life” are calling terminating a rape-caused pregnancy “tampering with evidence.”

These people are really not right in the head.

House Bill 206, introduced by state Rep. Cathrynn Brown (R), would charge a rape victim who ended her pregnancy with a third-degree felony for “tampering with evidence.”

“Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime,” the bill says.

Third-degree felonies in New Mexico carry a sentence of up to three years in prison.

Rep. Brown explained further that her only intention — really, honest — is to “protect” women.

Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

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99 comments

1 Four More Tears  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:01:27am
What the hell is wrong with these people?

I think we need a bigger blog.

2 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:02:30am

What a load of utter and complete horseshit.

3 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:03:53am

This nitpick feels important: can the title be changed from ‘will’ to ‘would’? Both New Mexico houses are controlled by the Democratic Party and this bill stands functionally no chance of passage.

*EDIT* Also holy shit, this is the new standard-bearer for the most viciously hateful insane bill I recall ever seeing.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:05:02am

Now that the GOP is being stymied in the polls, in elections and by the courts, it is turning to “creative governmance”; gerrymandering and coming up with laws like this to in reaction to the fact that they cannot push their agenda through any other way.

5 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:05:15am

What the hell is wrong with New Mexico? Are they challenging Arizona for the craziest state in the southwest award?

6 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:05:52am

Next on the agenda: the law will also require that all rape trials be postponed until the fetus has been born, grown up and reached the age of 18 so that it can be deposed and testify as a material witness.//

7 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:06:24am

Catholic hospital chain beats malpractice suit by saying fetuses aren’t people

A chain of Catholic Hospitals has beaten a malpractice lawsuit by saying that fetuses are not equivalent to human lives. According to the Colorado Independent, in the death of a 31-year-old woman carrying twin fetuses, Catholic Health Initiatives’ attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term “person” only applies to individuals born alive, and not to those who die in utero.

8 andres  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:06:34am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

Don’t give them any more ideas. They might think it’s serious…

9 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:07:02am

re: #8 andres

Don’t give them any more ideas. They might think it’s serious…

That’s why I included the sarc slashes//

10 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:07:11am

re: #6 Vicious Babushka

Next on the agenda: the law will also require that all rape trials be postponed until the fetus has been born, grown up and reached the age of 18 so that it can be deposed and testify as a material witness.//

Were you or were you not, on the night of April 27th 1987, represented genetically in part or in whole at the site of the alleged rape?

11 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:07:45am

Stay classy, TGDN

12 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:09:32am

Interesting group portrait of the family. I’m not exactly sure what style is supposed to be.

Image: cathrynnbrown.20130109T195404.3jj3l2k.jpeg

13 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:11:02am

Lets hear it for Dee Snider

‘Twisted Sister’ reminds Republicans of the time Ted Nugent pooped his pants to dodge Vietnam

In an interview with music website Noisecreep, “Twisted Sister” frontman Dee Snider said he doesn’t know why most Republicans who seem to love fellow rocker Ted Nugent cannot seem to recall him dodging the draft during the Vietnam war in the most revolting way possible: by pooping and vomiting on himself for a week, and doing hard drugs.

“Ted’s always been a gun-toting conservative,” he said after being asked to opine on Nugent’s claim that he’s prepared to launch an armed revolt against the U.S. government over the reelection of Presidnet Barack Obama. “But what gets me is that he was actually a draft dodger! I mean, to the point where he didn’t bathe for a week, and vomited on himself to deliberately avoid the draft.”

It wasn’t all criticism, though: “I totally understand why he did that,” Snider added, “but all of these Republicans who love Ted don’t seem to know or remember that too well. It’s crazy that he’s become one of the voices of conservative America even though he was a draft dodger. If you don’t believe me, Google it.”

Nugent lashed back at Snider on Twitter, saying he had fallen “for the big lie” and adding: “I challenge u to man up to the truth We xpected btr.”

How dare Dee repeat a claim that Nugent made himself!!!

14 andres  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:11:02am

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

That’s why I included the sarc slashes//

Sarcasm is too difficult for them to understand, I’m afraid.

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:11:26am

re: #12 Skip Intro

Interesting group portrait of the family. I’m not exactly sure what style is supposed to be.

Image: cathrynnbrown.20130109T195404.3jj3l2k.jpeg

I think they are trying to imitate some painting.

16 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:11:49am

re: #14 andres

Sarcasm is too difficult for them to understand, I’m afraid.

That’s why I posted it here and not at TGDN.

17 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:12:23am

re: #11 Vicious Babushka

Stay classy, TGDN

And Craig’s thought process makes him a Neanderthal.

18 subterraneanhomesickalien  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:13:25am

I suppose next scorn suitors will be allowed without legal retribution to throw sulfuric acid into the face of the women that rejected them?

Seems like the next logical step.

19 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:14:24am

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM/SEXISM?


(Also, this is the CREEPIEST poster at TGDN)

20 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:16:35am

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

I think they are trying to imitate some painting.

Reminds me of this for some reason.

Image: 27473_encoding_jpg_size_300_fallback_defaultImage.jpg

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:17:24am

re: #13 Kragar

Lets hear it for Dee Snider

‘Twisted Sister’ reminds Republicans of the time Ted Nugent pooped his pants to dodge Vietnam

How dare Dee repeat a claim that Nugent made himself!!!

Nuge tried to dodge that by saying that was just outrageous stuff he made up to f*ck with the stoner rock and roll journalists who came to interview him.

There was a time when I had a bit of begrudging respect form him as an uncompromising individualist, but he has gone massively off the deep end over the past years.

22 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:17:27am

re: #12 Skip Intro

Interesting group portrait of the family. I’m not exactly sure what style is supposed to be.

Image: cathrynnbrown.20130109T195404.3jj3l2k.jpeg

Generic dress-up. She’s from Eddy County. ‘Eddy’ is a fancy word meaning ‘backwater’.

23 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:18:21am

Wall Street Journal: Women Shouldn’t Be In Combat Because Men Poop

After Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta’s surprise announcement on Wednesday that women would be free to serve in most or all combat roles by 2016, the Wall Street Journal published an op-ed by former Marine infantryman Ryan Smith. Smith argued that since soldiers had to “defecate inches from his seated comrade’s face” during his tour in Iraq, women could not be permitted in combat because it would “humiliate” men:

Societal norms are a reality, and their maintenance is important to most members of a society. It is humiliating enough to relieve yourself in front of your male comrades; one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.

Despite the professionalism of Marines, it would be distracting and potentially traumatizing to be forced to be naked in front of the opposite sex, particularly when your body has been ravaged by lack of hygiene. In the reverse, it would be painful to witness a member of the opposite sex in such an uncomfortable and awkward position. Combat effectiveness is based in large part on unit cohesion. The relationships among members of a unit can be irreparably harmed by forcing them to violate societal norms.

8+ years in the Marines, lost count of how many times I copped a squat in the field. Never felt guilty or shamed about it once. Someone has some personal issues they need to deal with it.

24 JRCMYP  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:19:36am

Maybe she’s angling for a “Ripped From The Headlines” moment on Law and Order SVU.

25 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:19:46am

re: #23 Kragar

Wall Street Journal: Women Shouldn’t Be In Combat Because Men Poop

8+ years in the Marines, lost count of how many times I copped a squat in the field. Never felt guilty or shamed about it once. Someone has some personal issues they need to deal with it.

“one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex”

Never been camping, I take it.

Christ.

26 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:19:54am

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

Nuge tried to dodge that by saying that was just outrageous stuff he made up to f*ck with the stoner rock and roll journalists who came to interview him.

There was a time when I had a bit of begrudging respect form him as an uncompromising individualist, but he has gone massively off the deep end over the past years.

Yeah, I see he claimed he actually got deferments, but someone tracked down his records and he was marked as 4f, no mention of any deferments.

27 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:21:08am

re: #25 erik_t

“one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex”

Never been camping, I take it.

Christ.

The biggest worry about pooping in the field was making sure you did it with a wingman to cover you in case someone started chucking rocks at you.

28 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:21:29am

re: #26 Kragar

Yeah, I see he claimed he actually got deferments, but someone tracked down his records and he was marked as 4f, no mention of any deferments.

I never got any lower them 1-H
But then I never tried to prove I was nuts.

29 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:21:50am

re: #19 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM/SEXISM?

Say, Jeeves, let us point at and mock the poors! Why, I daresay she might not even be fully in control of her mental and emotional faculties!

30 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:25:15am

re: #29 erik_t

Say, Jeeves, let us point at and mock the poors! Why, I daresay she might not even be fully in control of her mental and emotional faculties!

Smithers, release some Food Stamps amongst the crowd of poor, it’s so jolly to watch them swarm for scraps!

31 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:26:06am

Nuge is a little bitch. Snider, his music has never been my cup of tea but he fights hard for what he believes in and isn’t a whackjob either. So, Dee 1, Ted 0. And Snider’s absolutely right how it’s funny that the wingnuts who think Ted is awesome ignore his draft dodging. I mean as Snider put it, I really don’t blame him but of course now Ted is acting like Mr. Tough Guy.

32 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:26:11am

re: #13 Kragar

Lets hear it for Dee Snider

‘Twisted Sister’ reminds Republicans of the time Ted Nugent pooped his pants to dodge Vietnam

How dare Dee repeat a claim that Nugent made himself!!!

That’s mah boss!

33 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:26:52am

re: #28 Tigger2

I never got any lower them 1-H

I was actually given the option to get out during my enlistment physical because the doctors noticed I was flatfooted. I’ve got absolutely no arch on my feet.

34 allegro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:29:13am

This proposed law is a terrific way to insure that no rape gets reported. It essentially legalizes rape. Nice going Repubs.

35 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:29:40am

re: #33 Kragar

I was actually given the option to get out during my enlistment physical because the doctors noticed I was flatfooted. I’ve got absolutely no arch on my feet.

I could have gotten a sole surviving sons deferment but I sat out my year of 1-A and second year of 1-H while I was working saving up the money I needed to start collage.

36 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:29:55am

I can’t even express the levels of stupid this is.

37 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:30:50am

re: #31 HappyWarrior

Nuge is a little bitch. Snider, his music has never been my cup of tea but he fights hard for what he believes in and isn’t a whackjob either. So, Dee 1, Ted 0. And Snider’s absolutely right how it’s funny that the wingnuts who think Ted is awesome ignore his draft dodging. I mean as Snider put it, I really don’t blame him but of course now Ted is acting like Mr. Tough Guy.

Dee is just a great guy. Saw an interview of him a few years back.

“My son ran up to me and asked ‘Dad, is it true you used to be a transexual?’ I said ‘No son, because then you wouldn’t be here. I was a transvestite.’”

38 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:31:02am

re: #13 Kragar

Lets hear it for Dee Snider

‘Twisted Sister’ reminds Republicans of the time Ted Nugent pooped his pants to dodge Vietnam

How dare Dee repeat a claim that Nugent made himself!!!

Dee is awesome, does loads of charity work around these parts, especially things pertaining to children. What the fuck has Ted done for anybody but Ted?

39 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:31:08am
40 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:31:41am

Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)

Cathrynn Brown refused to tell citizens where she stands on any of the issues addressed in the 2012 Political Courage Test, despite repeated requests from Vote Smart, national media, and prominent political leaders.
[Link: votesmart.org…]

41 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:32:06am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

I can’t even express the levels of stupid this is.

I could try, but I’d end up giving myself an aneurysm.

42 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:33:01am

Todd Kincannon ‏@ToddKincannon
Little Green Footballs is too stupid to understand what #TGDN is. Read this: [Link: is.gd…] It’s hilarious!

Todd Kincannon ‏@ToddKincannon
When Daily Kos and Little Green Footballs attack you, you’re doing something right!

43 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:33:06am

re: #37 Kragar

Dee is just a great guy. Saw an interview of him a few years back.

“My son ran up to me and asked ‘Dad, is it true you used to be a transexual?’ I said ‘No son, because then you wouldn’t be here. I was a transvestite.’”

Yeah I remember seeing that. He’s a good dude. His music just isn’t my cup ofo tea but hey anyone who stands up for free speech like he did in the 80’s is one of the good guys in my book and I like him pointing out how ridiculous Nugent is being and has been.

44 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:34:08am

re: #18 subterraneanhomesickalien

I suppose next scorn suitors will be allowed without legal retribution to throw sulfuric acid into the face of the women that rejected them?

Seems like the next logical step.

Yes, the whole “I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee” and tossing dog poop on their shoes thing was just not working out.
;p

45 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:34:32am

re: #39 Lidane

Stupid as hell decision.

46 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:34:50am

re: #38 Ghost of Tom Joad

Dee is awesome, does loads of charity work around these parts, especially things pertaining to children. What the fuck has Ted done for anybody but Ted?

TS, as a band and individually, really walk it like they talk it when it comes to charity. Everything from supporting cops (A.J.) to March of Dimes (Mark & Dee) to Uveitis (Jay Jay) to Sandy Relief (the entire band).

Right after 9/11, they raised $90,000 for the FDNY/NYPD Widows & Orphans Fund.

Ted? Not so much. Porbably because TS can still draw a crowd and Ted can’t.

47 Tigger2  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:34:57am

re: #39 Lidane

Wow talk about dumbing down the kids.

48 Sionainn  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:35:06am

Oh, brother. She sponsored Enduring Greatness of U.S. Constitution.

49 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:35:56am
50 ProBosniaLiberal  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:36:45am

re: #13 Kragar

He actually held back:

In that little commentary by Snyder, he only talked about the vomiting. Not the Pants-Shitting.

51 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:36:47am

re: #13 Kragar

Lets hear it for Dee Snider

‘Twisted Sister’ reminds Republicans of the time Ted Nugent pooped his pants to dodge Vietnam

How dare Dee repeat a claim that Nugent made himself!!!

I like Dee Snider. Always have. I remember being in middle school when he and Frank Zappa testified at the PMRC hearings. I thought it was awesome of him to stand up for artists like that.

Also, screw Ted Nugent.

52 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:37:13am

re: #48 Sionainn

Oh, brother. She sponsored Enduring Greatness of U.S. Constitution.

Too bad she doesn’t understand anything about it because she wouldn’t have introduced this stupid bill if she had even the slightest understanding of it.

53 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:38:21am

re: #51 Lidane

I like Dee Snider. Always have. I remember being in middle school when he and Frank Zappa testified at the PMRC hearings. I thought it was awesome of him to stand up for artists like that.

Also, screw Ted Nugent.

I like how artists like John Denver whose music obviously wouldn’t be censored testified at the PMRC hearings. Pretty sure Denver was among those who testified anyhow.

54 Ming  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:38:43am

OT but really scary. From [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…] “Despite a solid popular vote victory in 2012, an apportionment of Virginia’s electoral vote would have given Obama only four votes to 9 for Republican nominee Mitt Romney.”

According to the article, the Virginia State Legislature is completely serious about this.

55 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:40:07am

Stay classy, TGDN

56 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:40:46am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I like how artists like John Denver whose music obviously wouldn’t be censored testified at the PMRC hearings. Pretty sure Denver was among those who testified anyhow.

He did indeed…and knocked it out of the park:

Folk rock musician John Denver stated he was “strongly opposed to censorship of any kind in our society or anywhere else in the world”, and that in his experience censors often misinterpret music, as was the case with his song “Rocky Mountain High”. In addition, Denver expressed his belief that censorship is counterproductive: “That which is denied becomes that which is most desired, and that which is hidden becomes that which is most interesting. Consequently, a great deal of time and energy is spent trying to get at what is being kept from you.” When Denver came up to give his speech, many on the PMRC board expected him to side with them, thinking he would be offended by the lyrics as well.

57 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:41:13am

re: #54 Ming

OT but really scary. From [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…] “Despite a solid popular vote victory in 2012, an apportionment of Virginia’s electoral vote would have given Obama only four votes to 9 for Republican nominee Mitt Romney.”

According to the article, the Virginia State Legislature is completely serious about this.

Not terribly OT, it is all about the way the GOP is trying to cling to power any way it can, either by gerrymandering or by trying to pass ridiculous legislation like the fetal evidence bill.

58 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:41:16am

re: #54 Ming

OT but really scary. From [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…] “Despite a solid popular vote victory in 2012, an apportionment of Virginia’s electoral vote would have given Obama only four votes to 9 for Republican nominee Mitt Romney.”

According to the article, the Virginia State Legislature is completely serious about this.

Yep and I am sure McDonnell being the right wing tool he is would sign it with that shit eating grin he always has on his face. I really think there could be some backlash against the Republicans here though. I mean I admit part of it is wishful thinking but here me out, the GOP Lt Governor who was McDOnnell’s heir presumptive as governor nominee is upset because Cuccinnelli will obviously be the nominee and Bolling, while he is conservative I think is genuinely disgusted with Cooch’s nutbattery.

59 Slap  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:41:39am

re: #53 HappyWarrior

I like how artists like John Denver whose music obviously wouldn’t be censored testified at the PMRC hearings. Pretty sure Denver was among those who testified anyhow.

Actually, and strangely, he caught quite a lot of flak for “Rocky Mountain High”, because of that pesky H word.

Them was some strange times. The prude-rube brigade is always over-reaching….

60 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:41:47am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Stay class, TGDN

Ah, yes, the President’s children, and now the former President’s children. Just when you think these people couldn’t become any worse, they surprise you.

61 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:42:18am

re: #56 TedStriker

He did indeed:

Good man. He is missed.

62 erik_t  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:43:06am

re: #55 Vicious Babushka

Stay class, TGDN

@junmoore Let me be clear if Chelsea Clintons’ ass had been in #benghazi, #whatdifferencedoesitmake #tcot #twisters #tgdn #lnyhbt #teaparty #ocra

LOL.

“Let me be clear, [completely unintelligible series of glyphs]

63 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:43:36am

re: #59 Slap

Actually, and strangely, he caught quite a lot of flak for “Rocky Mountain High”, because of that pesky H word.

Them was some strange times. The prude-rube brigade is always over-reaching….

I’ve read about some of the songs that have been censored in the past. Read that Clear Channel censored “Walk Like an Egyptian” in the Iraq War and that I think the song is “Killing An Arab” was censored in Gulf War I. Obviously the censors had never read Camus but that just proves Denver’s point about censorship being counterproductive.

64 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:44:15am

re: #62 erik_t

LOL.

“Let me be clear, [completely unintelligible series of glyphs]

What was it about the more hashtags one puts in their tweets, the crazier they are?

65 Dr. Matt  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:44:49am

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

66 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:45:50am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

“We’re going to have to check you in to the evidence locker, miss.”

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:46:19am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

They had to redefine it to save it, you see. If it keeps women from getting abortions, then it is a victory for them.

68 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:46:50am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

Fetuses are only “people” when it is convenient to RWNJ political goals, when it can be used to subjugate and discriminate.

69 allegro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:46:57am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

And to be used as a deterrent against sexual assault. Riiiiiight. I continue to marvel at the kind of sick mind that can come up with this stuff and contort itself enough to believe it makes any kind of sense.

70 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:47:45am

re: #69 allegro

And to be used as a deterrent against sexual assault. Riiiiiight. I continue to marvel at the kind of sick mind that can come up with this stuff and contort itself enough to believe it makes any kind of sense.

Logic be damned! This is about winning in Jesus’ name!

71 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:47:49am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

Check post #7.

A fetus is a person until it becomes a legal liability to a pro-lifer.

72 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:47:49am

But forcing pregnant women to carry to term after rape? Totally the government solution that works!

73 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:48:18am

re: #69 allegro

And to be used as a deterrent against sexual assault. Riiiiiight. I continue to marvel at the kind of sick mind that can come up with this stuff and contort itself enough to believe it makes any kind of sense.

Since an abortion is otherwise legal, it means fewer rapists would be charged with a crime. I can’t believe what an incredible moron this woman is.

74 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:49:35am

re: #72 Lidane

Except when it comes to treating rape victims like criminals. Seriously, why do people buy that Republicans are for small government? They’re not and they really have never ever been. Just because they say they are doesn’t mean they are.

75 allegro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:50:04am

re: #72 Lidane

Been thinking … “Government might be part of the equation, but it is hardly ever the solution.”. Cathrynn N. Brown
— Cathrynn Brown (@CathrynnBrown) January 19, 2013

So I’ll become a lawmaker and see to it!

76 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:50:58am

re: #66 jaunte

“We’re going to have to check you in to the evidence locker, miss.”

Taxpayers, among others, are gonna be pissed when rape/incest victims are put into “protective custody” for nine months, if one takes this bullshit proposed law to its logical conclusion.

Never mind the fact that it would be completely against the Due Process Clause, especially when the victims are not guilty of any crime, but you know there are some RWNJs that would love the idea if it meant that said RWNJs get their way.

77 allegro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:53:11am

re: #76 TedStriker

Taxpayers, among others, are gonna be pissed when rape/incest victims are put into “protective custody” for nine months.

Never mind the fact that it would be completely against the Due Process Clause, but you know there are some RWNJs that would love the idea if it meant that said RWNJs get their way.

It appears to me that the GOP wants all women placed under lock and key… for our own protection, of course.

78 Lidane  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:53:44am

re: #65 Dr. Matt

So, they are defining a fetus “evidence” and not a human life. Check.

Why not? a Catholic-run hospital claims that fetuses aren’t people because they’re involved in a malpractice suit.

79 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:53:48am

Dear Brown, thanks for embarrassing the entire state. Now when people think of us they aren’t going to be thinking of the top notch research labs, the spaceport, etc. Instead they will think this is a place they can come to see real live neanderthals.

80 TedStriker  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:54:16am

re: #77 allegro

It appears to me that the GOP wants all women placed under lock and key… for our own protection, of course.

Or easier access for the basest desires of the RWNJ menfolk, if one goes in another direction.

81 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:54:56am

re: #72 Lidane

There should be a law - if you are not a woman of child-bearing age, you don’t get shit to say about it.

82 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:57:08am

re: #75 allegro

So I’ll become a lawmaker and see to it!


The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn’t work and then they get elected and prove it.
P.J. O’Rourke

83 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:00:15pm
84 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:00:27pm

re: #78 Lidane

Why not? a Catholic-run hospital claims that fetuses aren’t people because they’re involved in a malpractice suit.

Nice little corner they’ve all painted themselves into.

85 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:10:39pm
UPDATE: 1 pm Rep. Brown just told me that the intent of her bill is not to go after rape and incest victims but to prosecute rapists and incest perpetrators who coerce women into having abortions. She said the current version of the bill is incorrect — apparently a drafting error — and it is in the process of being fixed.

I can’t wait to see how she ‘fixes’ it.

86 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:21:01pm

re: #64 TedStriker

What was it about the more hashtags one puts in their tweets, the crazier they are?

#I #have #no #idea #, #it #must #be #an #affectation.

87 Jimmah  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:22:22pm

This could be the most disgusting thing I’ve seen from the GOP yet in their war on women. Yeah, keep talking about rape.

What’s annoying and disgusting to us is suicidal for you as a party and a political force. Welcome to the dustbin of history, fucktards.

88 Skip Intro  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:23:34pm

re: #85 wrenchwench

I can’t wait to see how she ‘fixes’ it.

Drafting error, huh?

“Her House Bill 206 says “Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime.”

Brainfart error, more likely. The intent reads pretty clearly to me. CYA time at the Brown office.

89 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:41:05pm

re: #23 Kragar

“one can only imagine the humiliation of being forced to relieve yourself in front of the opposite sex.”

Don’t you just KNOW that there’s a very expensive pro dominatrix in DC that has him on her clientele list.

90 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:44:54pm

This tampering with evidence bit, falls into what I always felt was fertile ground for this debate. If a fetus is not a person (and I do not ascribe to the belief that it is) than an unwanted pregnancy (in particular in the case of rape but potentially in any instance where the pregnancy is unwanted) is essentially a trespass on the person or property of a woman. Particularly in the case of rape it is essentially something left by the perpetrator of a trespass on one’s property. Moreover, if that is the case, a woman should be able to use almost any means required to remove the perpetrator of the trespass and / or the object of the trespass on the person. Republicans are ok with shooting a human being that unlawfully enters his or her home (even if unarmed - but if there is an apprehension of harm) but does not want to extend that same right to a woman over her own body even when no person would be harmed by her action.

91 iceweasel  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:45:16pm
UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. — Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.

“New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders,” said Brown. “By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state.”

She’s obviously a liar. Because if the goal really was to protect women, the law would have been written differently— there wouldn’t have been this clause about procuring an abortion. She’s a liar and hater of women.

Tampering with evidence shall include procuring or facilitating an abortion, or compelling or coercing another to obtain an abortion, of a fetus that is the result of criminal sexual penetration or incest with the intent to destroy evidence of the crime,” the bill says.

92 Petero1818  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:55:17pm

re: #91 iceweasel

She’s obviously a liar. Because if the goal really was to protect women, the law would have been written differently— there wouldn’t have been this clause about procuring an abortion. She’s a liar and hater of women.

An abortion would in no way destroy the evidence. You could put whatever evidence there is following the abortion into evidence. The Doctor could sign medical report that they in fact did perform the abortion, and if required, DNA tests could be perfomed.
Its like telling a stabbing victim that under no circumstances can the knife be removed from their leg prior to trial as we wouldn’t want to destroy the evidence of the stabbing.

93 iceweasel  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:57:10pm

That “or” is crucial.

under this law as written, a mother who took her 12 year old daughter to get an abortion after a rape would be guilty.

94 iceweasel  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:57:56pm

re: #92 Petero1818

Its like telling a stabbing victim that under no circumstances can the knife be removed from their leg prior to trial as we wouldn’t want to destroy the evidence of the stabbing.

Exactly!

95 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 12:59:31pm

re: #72 Lidane

Been thinking …
— Cathrynn Brown (@CathrynnBrown) January 19, 2013

Oh, I doubt that very much.

96 wrenchwench  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 1:00:44pm

re: #95 BongCrodny

Oh, I doubt that very much.

If I just wait long enough, every comment I think of eventually gets posted.

97 Tigger2005  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 3:03:37pm
Been thinking … “Government might be part of the equation, but it is hardly ever the solution.”. Cathrynn N. Brown

Don’t make me laugh…she hasn’t been “thinking.” Just regurgitating canned wingnut crap.

98 Fortitudine  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 4:01:11pm

Cognitive dissonance, thy name is Cathrynn Brown.

(Who the hell spells “Catherine” that way, anyhow?).

99 teleskiguy  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:24:07pm

I’ve been reading about this kind of stuff for a while now at LGF, and this post just took my breath away. These people have no sense of logic. I’m at a loss of further words.


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