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1 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 6:51:24pm

A long road to travel yet in this country:

Atheists applaud Rep. Holt for Darwin Day resolution, fight to protect evolution in public schools

The Secular Coalition for America joins the American Humanist Association in commending Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) for his introduction of a resolution to recognize February 12 as Darwin Day, and encouraging additional representatives to sponsor the resolution.

The resolution would recognize the anniversary of Charles Darwin’s birth as an annual worldwide celebration of science and humanity. Darwin proposed the scientific theory of evolution by natural selection and detailed the scientific theory in his book “On the Origin of Species.”

Rep. Holt worked with the American Humanist Association to introduce the resolution. The American Humanist Association is one of the Secular Coalition’s 11 member organizations.

[…]

For reference: Welcome to the International Darwin Day Foundation website

2 BongCrodny  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:02:48pm

re: #1 freetoken

A long road to travel yet in this country:

Atheists applaud Rep. Holt for Darwin Day resolution, fight to protect evolution in public schools

For reference: Welcome to the International Darwin Day Foundation website

I don’t think I’m going very far out on a limb here by saying that I doubt there are going to be very many House (R)’s on that co-sponsor list.

3 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:12:37pm

The appearance of LGF has changed quite a bit lately. Charles has been a busy man.

4 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:15:08pm

re: #2 BongCrodny

Or indeed much of the country.

The History Channel, ahem, is going to broadcast yet another series on…. (insert drumroll)… The Bible!

In fact, it’s called “The Bible” and here is the trailer:

The production is pretty much religiously oriented, even if the producers did tap a few Bible scholars to try and fill in some historical details of the alleged time periods.

The American populace believe the stories of the Bible are “history”, that’s why half of them are creationists.

5 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:17:50pm

Warren Zevon - Piano Fighter

6 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:20:40pm
7 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:21:17pm

Speaking of stunning, if you never visited the “Panorama” website it’s worth at least a gander:

[Link: www.panoramas.dk…]

8 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:24:01pm

re: #4 freetoken

Or indeed much of the country.

The History Channel, ahem, is going to broadcast yet another series on…. (insert drumroll)… The Bible!

In fact, it’s called “The Bible” and here is the trailer:

[Embedded content]

The production is pretty much religiously oriented, even if the producers did tap a few Bible scholars to try and fill in some historical details of the alleged time periods.

The American populace believe the stories of the Bible are “history”, that’s why half of them are creationists.

Some of the dirtiest looks I ever got was when I made the mistake of talking about the use of sappers at the Battle of Jericho in front of some Born Again Evangelicals, and how the army beating drums and playing horns was meant to cover up the sounds of the digging

You would have thought I had just plopped my dick down in their soup.

9 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:25:15pm

re: #6 jaunte

Wingnuts look at the election results map and they think “Romney totally won with the most red spaces! TEH ELEKSHUN WUZ STOLE!1!”

10 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:26:10pm

re: #8 Kragar

Some of the dirtiest looks I ever got was when I made the mistake of talking about the use of sappers at the Battle of Jericho in front of some Born Again Evangelicals, and how the army beating drums and playing horns was meant to cover up the sounds of the digging

You would have thought I had just plopped my dick down in their soup.

To be fair, you were reaching for your zipper.

//

11 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:26:29pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts look at the election results map and they think “Romney totally won with the most red spaces! TEH ELEKSHUN WUZ STOLE!1!”

Republicans do best in places where there is no else around for miles to tell people how dumb they are.

12 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:27:13pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

To be fair, you were reaching for your zipper.

//

I was wearing button fly trousers at the time.

13 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:27:37pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

The better maps of these kind use not two colors but a spectrum between two colors - usually red and blue, and when done so most counties turn up looking awfully purple, which kind of totally deflates the whole point that wingnut tweeting you is trying to make.

14 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:28:14pm

re: #9 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts look at the election results map and they think “Romney totally won with the most red spaces! TEH ELEKSHUN WUZ STOLE!1!”

Ayep, that’s all I heard back in ‘04, when they starting showing those sorts of maps. “If it wasn’t for those dots of blue in islands of red, Bush woulda won by a landslide!”

15 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:30:48pm

re: #13 freetoken

The better maps of these kind use not two colors but a spectrum between two colors - usually red and blue, and when done so most counties turn up looking awfully purple, which kind of totally deflates the whole point that wingnut tweeting you is trying to make.

Something like this?

16 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:31:48pm

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

Something like this?

Yeah, send that to your twitter admirer and see if he can comprehend more than two colors.

17 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:32:04pm

Or this:
2012 Electoral Map Population Adjusted

“As in the past, Republicans do well in red states with lots of land, but elections are won and lost where people actually live even under the Electoral College.”

18 Political Atheist  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:33:17pm

Ever wish you were answering the talking heads questions because the people being asked just don’t have the fast mind to answer well, and calmly and smartly?
*sigh*

Piers tonight…

19 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:34:07pm

How villagers in Mali helped drive out the occupying Islamists

The French beat back the sudden Islamist advance south into Diabaly with heavy air power, but it turns out they had some help: a spontaneous network of residents who responded to the capture of their farming community by risking their lives to channel intelligence out of the town.

“Everyone was calling,” said the mayor, Oumar Diakite, who was out of town when Diabaly was attacked and then was summoned by the governor. Diakite compiled the reports in real time — working next to detailed computer grids of the area that had been saved from U.S. development projects in the area’s complex canal system — and reported the co-ordinates to the military, which relayed them to the French command.

The townspeople’s response will pose a serious problem for the rebels if it is replicated elsewhere. Fighting an insurgency against a more powerful force is hard, but it’s even harder without local complicity.

20 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:34:15pm

The joys of watching classic movies with my youngest.

She was talking to her friend about a club for some toy kids in their school are collecting.

“The first rule of Moshling club is you do not talk about Moshling club.”

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:36:22pm

re: #20 Kragar

The joys of watching classic movies with my youngest.

She was talking to her friend about a club for some toy kids in their school are collecting.

“The first rule of Moshling club is you do not talk about Moshling club.”

Make sure she doesn’t tell a friend to punch her in the ear as hard as she can.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:36:44pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

“They tried to be nice to be people. They said they are just here to preach Islam,” Zerbo said.

“We told them we are Muslims already, so if it is just about Islam, please leave and let us be,” he said.

Heh

23 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:37:49pm

re: #21 Targetpractice

Make sure she doesn’t tell a friend to punch her in the ear as hard as she can.

Or as least make sure the friend is real.

24 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:42:28pm

U.S. drought expands in top wheat-growing state of Kansas

Roughly 57.64 percent of the contiguous United States was in at least “moderate” drought as of January 22, an improvement from 58.87 percent a week earlier, according to the Drought Monitor. But the worst level of drought, dubbed “exceptional,” expanded slightly to 6.36 percent, up from 6.31 percent of the country.

25 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:47:25pm

re: #18 Political Atheist

Ever wish you were answering the talking heads questions because the people being asked just don’t have the fast mind to answer well, and calmly and smartly?
*sigh*

Piers tonight…

All the time. The only problem is I would be worse in a face to face encounter. I think better when writing than when speaking I’m afraid.

I’m in awe of people who can think quickly while speaking.

26 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:47:28pm

Speaking of Kansas, apparently the GOP there are the latest boarders of the newest bandwagon to sweep through the party: abolishing state-level income taxes and “making up” the revenue by dumping it all on the poor through regressive taxation.

27 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:48:43pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

How villagers in Mali helped drive out the occupying Islamists

It goes to show that there are people who will refuse to bend down to terrorist assholes in that dangerous part of the world. Great story.

28 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:51:06pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Speaking of Kansas, apparently the GOP there are the latest boarders of the newest bandwagon to sweep through the party: abolishing state-level income taxes and “making up” the revenue by dumping it all on the poor through regressive taxation.

Part of their new and improved “FUCK THE POOR!” plan

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:51:20pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

It goes to show that there are people who will refuse to bend down to terrorist assholes in that dangerous part of the world. Great story.

Such uprisings are always inspiring to read about when they succeed. When they fail, the totalitarian response typically kills 10-20% of the area’s population.

30 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:52:55pm

Triple derp play: Rubin to Kudlow to Hannity.

31 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:55:27pm

Allen West slams female soldiers: Why aren’t women in the NHL?

“I have to tell you, if this is the case, then why do we have separate hockey leagues?” West said on CNN. “Women should be out there playing ice hockey with the guys in the NHL. We should not have a WNBA. I can’t shoot a three-pointer, but there are ladies who could certainly take me to the hoop. Maybe they should be competing with Kobe Bryant.”

The former congressman and Iraq veteran blasted the “social experiment” earlier in the day on his Facebook page, suggesting that women could not be as effective soldiers as men. He warned that opening front-line positions to women “could potentially lead to the demise of our military.”

“GI Jane was a movie and should not be the basis for a policy shift,” he wrote on Facebook. “I know Martha McSally, have known women who are Apache and Cobra helicopter pilots, and served with women who were MPs, but being on the ground and having to go mano y mano in close combat is a completely different environment.”

War criminal says what?

32 b_sharp  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:58:00pm

re: #31 Kragar

Allen West slams female soldiers: Why aren’t women in the NHL?

War criminal says what?

I take it he hasn’t heard of Hayley Wickenheiser. Not the NHL but close.

33 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:59:02pm

Varek has been moonlighting I think.

[Link: xkcd.com…]

34 SpaceJesus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 7:59:37pm

re: #31 Kragar

I don’t know Allen. Why aren’t you in The Hague?

35 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:01:37pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

I don’t know Allen. Why aren’t you in The Hague?

Or rather, why isn’t he in Ft. Leavenworth?

36 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:02:10pm

re: #31 Kragar

Allen West slams female soldiers: Why aren’t women in the NHL?

War criminal says what?

What is it about the media in recent years and glomping onto any loser that the Republican Party produces? Why do they feel a need to keep extending their 15 minutes?

37 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:03:07pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

The scriptwriters are lazy.

It’s the same reason why SyFy shows are all mind numbingly the same these days.

38 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:03:55pm

re: #37 freetoken

The scriptwriters are lazy.

It’s the same reason why SyFy shows are all mind numbingly the same these days.

And why they keep some of their series going long after the shark has been jumped?

39 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:04:42pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

It goes to show that there are people who will refuse to bend down to terrorist assholes in that dangerous part of the world. Great story.

We tried something similar in Afghanistan but it didn’t work nearly as well. People started using the system to settle family/tribal disputes by calling in tips to US forces reporting their rivals as Taliban. It seems there are encouraging signs that the Mailians are taking things more seriously. Even their religious leaders are speaking up
Top Mali imam denounces northern Islamists, Mursi comments

40 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:06:46pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

And why they keep some of the their series going long after the shark has been jumped?

Because they ran out of ideas a long time ago.

That’s why they have WWE running on the Friday night prime time slot. In this case an outside production company can produce two hours weekly for them and get them twice the audience as one of SyFy’s typically lame “SciFi” (but these days mostly fantasy) series.

41 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:13:35pm

re: #40 freetoken

Because they ran out of ideas a long time ago.

That’s why they have WWE running on the Friday night prime time slot. In this case an outside production company can produce two hours weekly for them and get them twice the audience as one of SyFy’s typically lame “SciFi” (but these days mostly fantasy) series.

‘course, to be fair, Scifi has never really been known for its freshness. Growing up, I can remember finding various scifi series from the 90s, 80s, and even late 70s. And those were interspersed with a generous helping of old scifi films and the odd original production, like the one year I remember that having a show about video game tournaments. You know, back when when multiplayer usually meant big honking game booths wired into each other with more cable than the Golden Gate Bridge.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:16:29pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

We tried something similar in Afghanistan but it didn’t work nearly as well. People started using the system to settle family/tribal disputes by calling in tips to US forces reporting their rivals as Taliban. It seems there are encouraging signs that the Mailians are taking things more seriously. Even their religious leaders are speaking up
Top Mali imam denounces northern Islamists, Mursi comments

I hope this spreads around the whole area. The jihadists groups out there are growing and it’s becoming a Wild West with the civilians being caught in the crossfire.

43 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:17:03pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

My view is that most of the Science Fiction themes were already introduced to the American public in the 1960’s TV series, or maybe the early 70’s if you want to include concepts as found in the Six Million Dollar Man.

Since then American TV has been mostly reworking old material. Oh, there are a few new ideas thrown out here or there every decade, but the innovations in stories are surprisingly few.

44 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:19:44pm

re: #35 freetoken

Or rather, why isn’t he in Ft. Leavenworth?

Making big rocks into little rocks for the rest of his life?

45 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:22:49pm

And now Ronnie James Dio - The Early Years

46 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:23:51pm

re: #34 SpaceJesus

I don’t know Allen. Why aren’t you in The Hague?

Because the officers of large powerful nations don’t get sent there.

47 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:24:31pm

re: #43 freetoken

My view is that most of the Science Fiction themes were already introduced to the American public in the 1960’s TV series, or maybe the early 70’s if you want to include concepts as found in the Six Million Dollar Man.

Since then American TV has been mostly reworking old material. Oh, there are a few new ideas thrown out here or there every decade, but the innovations in stories are surprisingly few.

Reworking the concepts, but accounting for the advances in technology and science that have come along since.

48 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:25:05pm

Europeans Warned to Evacuate Benghazi

Several European governments urged their citizens to evacuate the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi in response to what the U.K. described as “a specific and imminent threat to Westerners,” highlighting jitters in the region after last week’s deadly hostage siege at a natural-gas facility in Algeria.

The U.K. Foreign Office didn’t provide further detail as to the nature of the threat in Benghazi. The U.K., like the U.S., had advised its nationals against all travel to the city after the Sept. 11, 2012, attacks on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, which killed four Americans, including the ambassador to Libya.

The Foreign Office, in its alert Thursday, advised any British nationals who remain to leave immediately. Germany and the Netherlands later also urged their citizens to leave the Libyan city.

The U.S. reiterated a previous warning against all travel to Benghazi

.

49 prairiefire  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:26:35pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

And why they keep some of their series going long after the shark has been jumped?

I tried “Ripper Street” on BBC America. Far too gruesome for me.

50 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:29:56pm

re: #49 prairiefire

I tried “Ripper Street” on BBC America. Far too gruesome for me.

I’ve had that reaction to The Walking Dead. For my taste it just got to be too much gore for gore’s sake, rather than an exploration of a post-apocalyptic America.

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:31:41pm

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

Europeans Warned to Evacuate Benghazi

.

This warning should have been issued on September 10th of last year!!1 COVERUP!!!11

52 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:36:04pm

re: #50 freetoken

I’ve had that reaction to The Walking Dead. For my taste it just got to be too much gore for gore’s sake, rather than an exploration of a post-apocalyptic America.

In many ways, I see it as a deconstruction of the traditional zombie story, focusing more on the human element and just how easy it is for people to become monsters when there is no authority and resources are slim. Survival of the fittest ceases to be a quip and starts becoming a way of life.

53 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:40:58pm

Mmm hmm.

54 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:41:05pm


North Korea slams Kim Jong Un plastic surgery reports

SEOUL – North Korea has finally responded to persistent rumors that leader Kim Jong Un had plastic surgery to look like his revered grandfather, issuing an angry denial criticizing what it called “sordid” media reports.

…“The false report … released by enemies is a hideous criminal act that the party, state, army and people can never tolerate,” the official Korean Central News Agency said Wednesday. Insisting that the very idea of Kim, who is in his late 20s, undergoing plastic surgery is “unimaginable,” KCNA flatly rejected what it described as the “sordid hackwork by rubbish media.”

While the focus of the commentary’s fury was the South Korean media, it seems Pyongyang’s anger was triggered by a report by China’s Shenzhen TV last week that cited a diplomatic source who had spoken to a North Korean official, who confirmed the plastic surgery rumors

.

Heh.

55 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:45:51pm

Missouri Republican proposes bill to require teaching of ‘intelligent design’

The Missouri Standard Science Act states the theory of evolution must be taught side-by-side with intelligent design in public elementary and secondary schools. The bill also requires any textbook that discusses evolution to “give equal treatment to biological evolution and biological intelligent design.”

Proponents of intelligent design, a variant of creationism, believe the complexity of life cannot be adequately explained by natural processes such as biological evolution.

The bill was introduced by State Rep. Rick Brattin, and cosponsored by State Reps. Andrew Koenig and Kurt Bahr. All three lawmakers are Republicans.

Brattin introduced a nearly identical bill last year. He told local media outlets the bill was “just good science” and promoted “objectivity in the science room.”

My theory is that Republican politicians are a bunch of small dick, small brained theocrats who can go fuck themselves.

56 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:52:40pm

re: #54 NJDhockeyfan


North Korea slams Kim Jong Un plastic surgery reports

.

Heh.

Oh how fantastic it would be if China were to step on this little shit. Won’t happen, but I can dream.

57 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:57:48pm

re: #55 Kragar

Missouri Republican proposes bill to require teaching of ‘intelligent design’

My theory is that Republican politicians are a bunch of small dick, small brained theocrats who can go fuck themselves.

“Intelligent design,” the way you sneak creationism past that whole “church/state” business.

58 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:57:51pm

re: #55 Kragar

Missouri Republican proposes bill to require teaching of ‘intelligent design’

My theory is that Republican politicians are a bunch of small dick, small brained theocrats who can go fuck themselves.

Image: RickBrattin.jpg

59 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:58:30pm

re: #56 Girth

Oh how fantastic it would be if China were to step on this little shit. Won’t happen, but I can dream.

The problem with getting rid of the Kims is that whoever does it would then have the thankless, long, and expensive task of getting North Korea at least partially out of a very deep hole.

60 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 8:59:56pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

The problem with getting rid of the Kims is that whoever does it would then have the thankless, long, and expensive task of getting North Korea at least partially out of a very deep hole.

And the Chinese government most definitely has enough on its plate without taking that on.

61 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:00:16pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

The problem with getting rid of the Kims is that whoever does it would then have the thankless, long, and expensive task of getting North Korea at least partially out of a very deep hole.

That’s why I nominate China.

62 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:01:09pm

re: #61 Girth

That’s why I nominate China.

They don’t want it any more than we want it.

63 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:03:23pm

re: #58 Gus

Image: RickBrattin.jpg

I’ll take “Smarmy Gits” for $300, Alex

64 danarchy  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:03:28pm

re: #43 freetoken

My view is that most of the Science Fiction themes were already introduced to the American public in the 1960’s TV series, or maybe the early 70’s if you want to include concepts as found in the Six Million Dollar Man.

Since then American TV has been mostly reworking old material. Oh, there are a few new ideas thrown out here or there every decade, but the innovations in stories are surprisingly few.

You are certainly forgetting about such visionary 80s programming as Manimal and Automan…

65 makeitstop  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:04:14pm

re: #49 prairiefire

I tried “Ripper Street” on BBC America. Far too gruesome for me.

I actually liked that one. Good characters, after watching just one episode.

66 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:04:29pm

re: #63 Kragar

I’ll take “Smarmy Gits” for $300, Alex

And the answer is “Plasticman”.

67 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:05:33pm

re: #63 Kragar

I’ll take “Smarmy Gits” for $300, Alex

Rick was born in July 1980 and grew up in Greenwood, Missouri where he graduated from Lee’s Summit High School. After graduating, he worked in the construction industry until September 11, 2001. He then joined the United States Marine Corps where he served for six years as a Noncommissioned Officer. Since then, Rick has been owner and operator of a family construction company and tends a 40-acre farm in central Cass County north of Harrisonville.

He is blessed to have a wonderful family with beautiful wife Lauren herself a Cass County Deputy Sheriff, and three children… He and his family are devoted Christians as members of the Strasburg Baptist Church. Rick is active throughout the District from Raymore to Peculiar to Garden City. He stands firm on conservative values and faith and will never waiver on these principles.

68 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:06:41pm

re: #67 Gus

Rick is active throughout the District from Raymore to Peculiar to Garden City.

I’d like him to expand on that a bit.

69 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:08:39pm

re: #67 Gus

Guy’s only 4 years older than me. Yegods, I feel old now.

70 Jalal bin Smokin?  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:10:43pm

re: #69 Targetpractice

Guy’s only 4 years older than me. Yegods, I feel old now.

You’re only 9 years older than my daughter. I feel really old now.

71 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:11:55pm

re: #64 danarchy

You are certainly forgetting about such visionary 80s programming as Manimal and Automan…

Intentionally. Though I do notice that Automan devotees can get a rare DVD version via Amazon:
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

72 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:12:43pm

re: #68 jaunte

I’d like him to expand on that a bit.

Yeah, that caught my eye too. Did a double take… hence Peculiar, MO.

73 jaunte  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:14:12pm

re: #72 Gus

“Welcome to Peculiar, where the “odds” are with you.”

74 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:20:06pm

Hell, you can believe in creationism if you want. It just doesn’t belong in science class. A lot of people study and pass math classes and still hate math. Don’t ask me why.

75 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:20:35pm

If ID belongs anywhere other than the trash bin, it’s in a philosophy class. But of course these people are afraid of that too. If we teach kids logic and critical thinking then they might start thinking for themselves, and we certainly can’t have that.

76 Gus  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:21:58pm

re: #75 Girth

If ID belongs anywhere other than the trash bin, it’s in a philosophy class. But of course these people are afraid of that too. If we teach kids logic and critical thinking then they might start thinking for themselves, and we certainly can’t have that.

It’s not that easy putting the breaks on nearly half of Americans.

77 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:27:54pm

re: #71 freetoken

Intentionally. Though I do notice that Automan devotees can get a rare DVD version via Amazon:
[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Any Manimal?

78 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:48:38pm

Let’s see if some gossip and baby pictures can revive this thread:

EXCLUSIVE: Former call girl Ashley Dupré whose trysts with New York Governor Eliot Spitzer ruined his political career is pictured for the first time with new baby

Ashley Dupré, 27, had baby girl Izabel Jagger Earle on November 10
last year
A friend told MailOnline: ‘Izabel is one of the best things that’s ever happened to Ashley’

These are the first photographs of former call girl Ashley Dupré’s adorable baby girl taken on Thursday as she visited her own clothing store.

Izabel Jagger Earle was born at Jersey Shore Medical Center on November 10, 2012 at 4.11pm and is the 27-year-old’s first child. The baby girl, whose father is Dupré’s fiancé TJ Earle, weighed 7lbs and was 21 inches.

Miss Dupré visited her store, Femme by Ashley which sells swimwear and lingerie, with her daughter on Thursday afternoon in Red Bank, New Jersey.

79 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:52:19pm

I think I’ve gotten more play out of Minecraft than most of the other games I’ve ever played, with the possible exception of the Fallout series.

80 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 9:55:25pm

re: #77 Kragar

Any Manimal?

Oh, certainly:

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

81 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:00:55pm

re: #74 Gus

Hell, you can believe in creationism if you want. It just doesn’t belong in science class. A lot of people study and pass math classes and still hate math. Don’t ask me why.

ID is essentially the same thing as Greek Mythology, which is taught in HS and appears as a topic on Jeopardy too.

Alex, I’ll take Biblical Harlots for $200.

82 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:01:01pm

Two American TV shows, of different eras, both of which proved to be quite popular and enduring, I offer up as, to use a mathematical term, eigenvectors, from which we can construct the space-fabric of American commercial, fiction-story television:

In other words, any American tv series episode story can be represented as a combination of some subset of the super-set of those two show’s episodes.

83 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:03:48pm

re: #82 freetoken

What is Bonanza and The X Files?

84 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:03:54pm

re: #81 Mich-again

ID is essentially the same thing as Greek Mythology, which is taught in HS and appears as a topic on Jeopardy too.

Alex, I’ll take Biblical Harlots for $200.

I blame the Bible for violence in the media.

85 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:05:46pm

re: #84 Kragar

I blame the Bible for violence in the media.

I blame the media for violence in the Bible..

86 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:07:02pm

re: #83 Mich-again

What is Bonanza and The X Files?

$200! (Was not the daily double, though).

87 Mich-again  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:10:59pm

re: #86 freetoken

I was half afraid this is what I would hear when I clicked your link..

88 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:12:00pm

Well, this should go over well. Seems that J.J. Abrams is in talks to direct the next Star Wars film.

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:21:11pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Well, this should go over well. Seems that J.J. Abrams is in talks to direct the next Star Wars film.

The LA Times says its a done deal.

90 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:22:25pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

The LA Times says its a done deal.

What I’ve always wanted: Star Wars with more lens flare.

91 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:24:55pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

What I’ve always wanted: Star Wars with more lens flare.

Abrams is excellent, but he’s too much his own man for the job, IMO.

92 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:25:19pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

What I’ve always wanted: Star Wars with more lens flare.

Look on the bright side: Abrams might have his characters be actual people interacting with each other, rather than a solo of a guy talking to a blue screen.

93 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:25:48pm

I was pretty pumped about Abrams and Star Wars at first, but upon reflection, I’m not sure if I like having the same guy direct Star Wars and Star Trek. Seems almost like a conflict of interest.

94 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:26:12pm

What Star Wars needs to have successful reboot:

Bad ass Romulans!

95 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:26:33pm

re: #92 freetoken

Look on the bright side: Abrams might have his characters be actual people interacting with each other, rather than a solo of a guy talking to a blue screen.

Heh, first scene of new Star Wars film: The Gungan genocide.

//

96 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:31:41pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

Heh, first scene of new Star Wars film: The Gungan genocide.

//

Heck, that would guarantee a good first week, because I fully believe there are that many Star Wars fans who’d pay $15-$20 to see Jar-Jar Binks die in some novel and bloody way.

97 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:33:35pm

All I want is one live action 40k movie. Just one.

98 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:34:28pm

re: #97 Kragar

All I want is one live action 40k movie. Just one.

Too depressing. “No Hope” is not a theme that sells well in the US.

99 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:34:35pm

re: #97 Kragar

All I want is one live action 40k movie. Just one.

I want the live-action Bioshock movie they promised me!

100 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:34:47pm

I’d like a few good Dune movies. Lots of material from Herbert.

101 stabby  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:35:23pm

I really hurt my back this morning coughing.
I FINALLY had time just now to buy some cough suppressant
Also Ricola is the weakest cough drop ever…

102 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:37:53pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

Too depressing. “No Hope” is not a theme that sells well in the US.

There is plenty of hope in 40k.

I hope the commissar doesn’t shoot me.

I hope I don’t piss off the Inquisition.

I hope the Dark Eldar don’t take me alive.

Hope springs eternal.

103 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:43:20pm

Once you accept the fact that “Event Horizon” was a movie based on the test of the first warp capable ship in the 40k universe, all you need to do is move the timeline ahead a few dozen millennia to get to the Age of the Imperium.

104 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:43:57pm

Oh dear God, Warner Brothers is actually going forward with a live-action Robotech film.

Just kill me now.

105 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:48:32pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Oh dear God, Warner Brothers is actually going forward with a live-action Robotech film.

Just kill me now.

Are they still making Akira? I’m too scared to look myself

106 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:50:03pm

re: #105 Kragar

Are they still making Akira? I’m too scared to look myself

No, apparently that one sunk back into the mire again, where it belongs. Think it was a case of the director backing out.

107 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:50:57pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

No, apparently that one sunk back into the mire again, where it belongs. Think it was a case of the director backing out.

Scratch that, not a director backing out, the studio shut down production due to budgetary matters.

108 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:53:32pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Oh dear God, Warner Brothers is actually going forward with a live-action Robotech film.

Just kill me now.

As long as it’s not a Michael Bay joint I’ll probably see that. I loved Robotech when I was a kid.

109 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:55:47pm

re: #108 Girth

As long as it’s not a Michael Bay joint I’ll probably see that. I loved Robotech when I was a kid.

Oh no, apparently he’s wrapped up in the evisceration of what’s left of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise.

110 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 10:58:38pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Scratch that, not a director backing out, the studio shut down production due to budgetary matters.

Thank Crom

111 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:01:21pm

Robotech got me into the Palladium RPGs. Robotech, TMNT, Heroes Unlimited, Ninjas and Superspies…

112 Targetpractice  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:04:06pm

I hold a grudge against Robotech, or rather against Harmony Gold, because of the bullshit way they’ve spent decades arguing a copyright they don’t have to prevent any of the Macross series from being brought over.

113 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:09:13pm

re: #111 Girth

Robotech got me into the Palladium RPGs. Robotech, TMNT, Heroes Unlimited, Ninjas and Superspies…

Paladium Fantasy, The Wolfen Empire, Beyond the Supernatural, Rifts

114 freetoken  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:14:33pm

re: #103 Kragar

Once you accept the fact that “Event Horizon” was a movie based on the test of the first warp capable ship in the 40k universe, ….

From IMDB:

According to the DVD documentary, the first cut of the film had a longer “Visions from Hell” sequence, more blood, and a different, though similar, ending. The test audience didn’t like it, so it was re-cut with an alternate ending involving what director Paul W.S. Anderson called “The Burning Man Sequence.” The second test audience didn’t like that version, and the film was edited again. The final cut is a less-intense hybrid of both test screenings, with significantly less gore.

According to the DVD commentary, sequences deleted from the “Visions of Hell” include orgies and sadomasochism killing the Event Horizon’s original crew.

115 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:17:27pm

re: #114 freetoken

From IMDB:

So Slaanesh was involved is what you’re telling me.

116 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:18:35pm

Shadowrun Online coming in 2013?

117 Kragar  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:20:21pm

re: #116 Girth

Shadowrun Online coming in 2013?

I heard the new Cyberpunk was coming, nothing about Shadowrun

118 Girth  Thu, Jan 24, 2013 11:24:31pm

re: #117 Kragar

I heard the new Cyberpunk was coming, nothing about Shadowrun

They’re working on it, shooting for closed beta in May looks like.

[Link: www.shadowrun.com…]

And at least Mr. Plinkett is on board with JJ Abrams:

119 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:07:02am

Silvestrov:

120 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:16:42am

According to Eric son of Erick, we’ll just “have to get used to” this:

Munich Re Says World Crop Insurance Costs Top Record on Drought

Global crop insurance claims were the highest ever last year after drought cut yields in the U.S., historically the biggest grower of corn and soybeans.

Claims worldwide were worth about $23 billion in 2012, with $15 billion going to growers in the U.S., said Karl Murr, who heads the agriculture unit at Munich Re, the world’s biggest reinsurance company. About 85 percent of farmland is insured in the U.S., compared with 20 percent globally. U.S. corn and soybean harvests slid to a six-year low in the past season after the most severe dry spell since 1956.

[…]

121 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:05:48am
122 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:15:55am

Saint-Saens opus 62:

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:56:46am

ping…ping…ping…

drip…drip…drip…

124 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:12:52am

re: #123 Sol Berdinowitz

First the drip, then the ping.

125 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:15:50am

Bryan is derpin’ early

126 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:17:08am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is derpin’ early

What Bryan calls the “Underground Railroad” is some pastor kidnapped a kid from a lesbian mother after the ex-partner “prayed away the gay.”

127 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:23:06am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

What Bryan calls the “Underground Railroad” is some pastor kidnapped a kid from a lesbian mother after the ex-partner “prayed away the gay.”

Whereas the real underground railroad would be an organization that helped gay teens escape from the areas where their rights are not protected, like the states that have implemented the “Bullying is awesome” laws.

128 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:06:54am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

No Bryan, the moron pastor went to jail for freaking kidnapping.
Does this guy ever sleep? I suspect he has trouble sleeping. Hmm. Wonder why? Guilt? Too much meth? Dirty little secrets hidden in the basement? Hey if he can speculate half the damned day what liberals think and what gay people do in the privacy of their own homes, I can have an enquiring mind too.

What a dick.

129 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:16:58am

Why do these idiots keep Tweeting a FAKE QUOTE when the real one is so easy to look up?

130 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:17:44am

re: #128 A Mom Anon

No Bryan, the moron pastor went to jail for freaking kidnapping.
Does this guy ever sleep? I suspect he has trouble sleeping. Hmm. Wonder why? Guilt? Too much meth? Dirty little secrets hidden in the basement? Hey if he can speculate half the damned day what liberals think and what gay people do in the privacy of their own homes, I can have an enquiring mind too.

What a dick.

Bryan will be caught with little boys. It’s only a matter of time.

131 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:24:21am

re: #130 Vicious Babushka

Honest to god, someone needs to search his and Glenn Beck’s basements for bodies. If I was a wealthy person, I swear I’d hire a PI to follow both these assholes around for awhile. There’s something really ugly buried inside these guys, there’s no way all that nasty doesn’t come out in their personal lives.

132 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:27:10am

re: #113 Kragar

Paladium Fantasy, The Wolfen Empire, Beyond the Supernatural, Rifts

When Palladium RPG first came out I almost always ran Wolfen Longbowman characters. What’s wrong with being a greater than human-sized bipedal wolf with teeth and claws and capable of using a longbow?

133 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:28:56am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Bryan is derpin’ early

Oh, the Christians are smuggling each other into Canada in order to get “FREEDOM!”?

More power to ‘em, though I will start pitying Canada as well.
///

134 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:30:38am

So desperately wants to be a victim…

135 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:33:09am

First Godwin of the day, though I have to admit there were very few Godwins during the Benghazi meltdown of the last few days

136 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:40:53am

More Godwin

137 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:00:01am

I see the lawyers are going to get a nice profit. Multiple suits against Armstrong about his books. I suspect these get nowhere fast since there is no requirement for the books to be fully factual. So the lawyers get their fees for both sides and nothing eventually comes of it.

138 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:03:40am

These assholes have fantasies about violent revolution. WOLVERINES!

139 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:08:17am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

Bob @NarniaDad

Two facts that will make a Patriot smile & make your day! Please RT! #tgdn #tcot pic.twitter.com/StTCC1H8

140 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:10:50am
141 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:12:37am

This is the same guy I was having a conversation with last night:

142 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:14:13am

re: #138 Vicious Babushka

These assholes have fantasies about violent revolution. WOLVERINES!

They DO realize that the moment they open fire, they’d have the full weight of the US government standing on their necks, right?

They wouldn’t be going up against Buford T. Justice. They’d be going up against Seal Team Six and against a military that’s spent the better part of a decade at war.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:17:34am

re: #141 Vicious Babushka

Just tell him to keep lying, maybe someday even he will believe it. No one sane, mind you, but he will.

144 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:19:44am

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

Just tell him to keep lying, maybe someday even he will believe it. No one sane, mind you, but he will.

We (b_sharp and I) had a civil conversation with him, he didn’t tweet an insult and then block me. He’s dumb, but maybe deep down he will remember he once talked to a Democrat from Detroit who isn’t on welfare or in jail.

145 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:20:23am
146 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:21:15am

re: #142 Lidane

They DO realize that the moment they open fire, they’d have the full weight of the US government standing on their necks, right?

They wouldn’t be going up against Buford T. Justice. They’d be going up against Seal Team Six and against a military that’s spent the better part of a decade at war.

Oh, they won’t rate the military coming after them any more than we needed anything other that the state patrol to wipe the floor with the Posse Commitatus up here. 90% of them are cowardly loudmouths like Nugent and the rest only have small arms. They forget that, thanks to Tim McVay, no one can go out and just buy a ton of fertilizer anonymously.

147 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:22:01am

Morning all!

I still haven’t found any patience, I may not be here for long.

you?

148 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:23:30am
149 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:25:34am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

What Bryan calls the “Underground Railroad” is some pastor kidnapped a kid from a lesbian mother after the ex-partner “prayed away the gay.”

That is disturbing and proof that I will find no patience today.

150 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:26:58am

re: #148 Lidane

This drives me up-the-wall.

Coal is ON THE WAY OUT. Coal Miners and other workers —MAKE PLANS TO GET OUT NOW. Face reality, get retrained, move and deal with it.

But, of course, most won’t and when the mines close and they are out of work, they’ll whine and whine.

THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL,,

READ IT!

151 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:28:19am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

This drives me up-the-wall.

Coal is ON THE WAY OUT. Coal Miners and other workers —MAKE PLANS TO GET OUT NOW. Face reality, get retrained, move and deal with it.

But “The Hunger Games” takes place in the far future and they totally have a bunch of coal mining!1!

152 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:30:06am

re: #151 Vicious Babushka

ARGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

153 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:30:55am

If I go to Colorado, will Tancredo get me high?

154 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:31:00am

TGDN is pouring out a tsunami of seething outrage about 4 government employees who agreed to work in a dangerous region, but totally nothing about 20 first-graders gunned down in their kindergarten room.

155 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:31:33am

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is pouring out a tsunami of seething outrage about 4 government employees who agreed to work in a dangerous region, but totally nothing about 20 first-graders gunned down in their kindergarten room.

WHY do you subject yourself to this?

156 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:34:33am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

WHY do you subject yourself to this?

Fun.

157 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:38:26am

Inside Mississippi’s Last Abortion Clinic

I was found in a shoebox,” says McMillan. “Abandoned at birth, naked, in the middle of the night in Alexandria, Louisiana.” A young couple adopted him.

McMillan, 69, is known at the clinic as the guy who throws the plastic babies into your car window. He’s clad in bright yellow rain pants not because of the weather, but because the owner of the house behind him turns the sprinkler on him each morning.

“I call myself a peacemaker. What did Jesus say in the Beatitudes? He said, ‘Blessed are the peacemakers.’ Who are we trying to make peace between? A mother and a child. The No. 1 instinct is that between a mother and child. If you don’t believe me, go to the zoo.”

Four years ago, McMillan, who says he has been arrested 69 times at abortion clinics, threatened one of the clinic’s doctors. Since then, a court order has kept him 50 feet away from the clinic door. “I said, ‘Your days are numbered, just like mine,’” McMillan says. “They said it was a threat. I said that was a religious liberty, a point of view I had.” Still, some clinic staffers are worried about harassment from protesters; one of the clinic’s doctors dons an alien mask each time he comes in.

“We’re telling government this has got to end and we’re willing to suffer to change it,” McMillan says. “We’re not going to shoot anybody.”

158 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:40:09am

re: #150 FemNaziBitch

Coal is on the way out for eminently sensible environmental and economic reasons.

Natural gas is cheaper - significantly so. It’s less polluting at the smokestack, so it’s cleaner burning and results in less pollution of all kinds. Substituting natural gas for coal means cheaper energy costs and lower costs to the energy generators who pay for the raw energy materials and the equipment to try and clean them through the smokestack.

A coal burning plant has to expend significant coin to try and reduce emissions to a comparable level for a similar natural gas plant. Building a natural gas plant becomes cheaper. Fracking means that natural gas sources are more plentiful and further reduces the costs (though the long term environmental costs are still being figured out due to potential pollution to aquifers, etc.) though it may still be less than the costs due to coal mining (either strip mining or deep mining).

159 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:40:24am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

Weird idea of fun, that.

160 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:40:47am

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is pouring out a tsunami of seething outrage about 4 government employees who agreed to work in a dangerous region, but totally nothing about 20 first-graders gunned down in their kindergarten room.

Because at this point in time there’s a better chance that they can blame Obama for Benghazi than Sandy Hook. That’s about the gist of it. I can damn-near guarantee that if the Sandy Hook shooter had been a person who lost his job because his employer made cutbacks due to Obamacare (even though it would be complete bullshit), then we’d hear nothing of Benghazi. Everything would be focused on blaming PBO for the shooting.

161 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:41:48am

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

On top of old smokey….
all covered with hemp…

162 andres  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:43:33am

re: #149 FemNaziBitch

That is disturbing and proof that I will find no patience today.

My question is: why wasn’t Miller (and everyone involved in the kidnapping) jailed earlier?

163 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:45:12am

re: #162 andres

My question is: why wasn’t Miller (and everyone involved in the kidnapping) jailed earlier?

I have no patience for questions other than my own.

:0

Actually, I didn’t sleep last night and can’t think coherently enough to do anything but rant. I shant subject you-all to it for much longer.

164 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:45:19am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

Fun.

…You call that fun? You don’t happen to be into BDSM and the like, do you? Figured I’d ask. Don’t read too much of their insanity lest you go insane yourself.

165 andres  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:47:28am

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

I have no patience for questions other than my own.

:0

Actually, I didn’t sleep last night and can’t think coherently enough to do anything but rant. I shant subject you-all to it for much longer.

Don’t worry.

It was more of a rhetorical question. No need to answer it. :)

166 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:49:55am

Hilarious watching people flip-flop on filibuster reform and bend over backwards to accept what’s essentially no filibuster reform.

167 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:51:00am
168 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:51:17am

re: #165 andres

Don’t worry.

It was more of a rhetorical question. No need to answer it. :)

Thanks, you are a doll.

169 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:51:54am

I’m off,

Have a good one all!

170 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:56:12am

OK Lizards, this mommy lizard is about to say goodbye to her baby lizard tommorrow. He’s going off to be evaluated at a vocational rehabilitation school for 18-24 yr olds with disabilities. For a month. He’ll be 19 soon, this is the longest he’s ever been away from home. I’m doing my best not to cry or show too much emotion because, well, I want him to feel like this is new adventure, a pathway to adulthood and independance. But wow is this harder than I thought. I’m a mess,lol.

After the month is over, he comes home and we wait for word on when he goes back and for how long, what they will (and won’t ) be able to do for him, etc. I guess I should hold back the tears for when he’s actually gone for the long term, yes?

171 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:01:47am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

Yes, Christians are the new blacks. For example, I saw a drinking fountain the other day that said “secularists only”. There was also a lynch mob that formed after a Christian guy whistled at an atheist woman walking down the street. His body is still hanging from the lamppost. And I recently discovered that it’s against the law for me, an atheist, to marry my Catholic girlfriend.

172 Sionainn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:03:43am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

More Godwin

People like her make me furious.

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:06:27am

Look! A polite wingnut!

174 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:08:00am

Heh.

175 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:09:17am

Please refresh #173, by mistake I embedded the wrong Tweet.

176 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:10:11am

Deregulation is bad! Deregulation is bad!

Well, Jack Lew was for deregulation.

Well, deregulation isn’t really that bad. Besides, he was talking about deregulation that started under Jimmy Carter.

Take me to your leader! Olmmm.

177 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:14:18am
178 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:14:27am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

I wish him luck. If I may, don’t cry or be too emotional around him if you can avoid it. I’m not sure if it’s been said, nor will I ask what disability he has, but I think a parent being too emotional around a child over something that is very new and difficult will have a negative reinforcement. Especially for a cognitive or learning disability where a parent’s emotional response may be construed as fear; “Mom is crying, therefore this can’t be good.”

I have a good friend and a distant family relation (one of those sister’s husband’s uncle’s brothers deals) who have autistic children in their early teens. Doesn’t take much to change their whole disposition, especially the emotional state of a parent. It’s tough on them to keep themselves at a pretty neutral state of mind, but it helps the kid keep an even keel.

Good luck.

179 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:14:30am
180 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:16:17am

re: #179 Gus

Jobs at Wal-Mart just don’t pay like they used to.//

181 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:18:59am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

Best of luck to you & your son. {{A Mom Anon}}

182 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:19:15am

re: #178 Ghost of Tom Joad

He’s high functioning autistic/Asperger Syndrome. And you’re right. When we first found out he was accepted to be evaluated, he was scared and didn’t want to go. But over the last few months my husband and I have worked really hard to show him what an adventure it will be. Once he saw the place and took a tour, it was much easier for all of us to be optimistic. It worked, he’s excited and ready to go, mostly. I’m the one who’s a mess now,lol. This is why the husband is driving, so I can cry on the way home after we drop him off.

183 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:19:55am

Yeehaw. Another dog and pony show at Davos.

184 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:22:15am
185 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:22:43am

re: #183 Gus

Yeehaw. Another dog and pony show at Davos.

Ah, the annual ritual of rich people deciding how to divvy up the rest of the world.

186 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:23:00am

Outrage!

187 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:23:48am
188 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:28:46am
189 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:31:34am

Oy. Weird.

Roll Up Your Sleeves, Get Involved, and Get Civic-Hacking

…Civic Hacking Day is an opportunity for software developers, technologists, and entrepreneurs to unleash their can-do American spirit by collaboratively harnessing publicly-released data and code to create innovative solutions for problems that affect Americans. While civic hacking communities have long worked to improve our country and the world, this summer will mark the first time local developers from across the Nation unite around the shared mission of addressing and solving challenges relevant to OUR blocks, OUR neighborhoods, OUR cities, OUR states, and OUR country…

Riiight. O_o

190 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:42:21am

I can think of a few people in recent history that would take issue with the US Government suddenly looking upon “hacking” as a positive thing that helps our nation. Andrew Auernheimer, a man who is currently awaiting sentencing for releasing information that AT&T left on a public facing webserver, probably isn’t terribly amused by the idea of a National Day of Civic Hacking. Aaron Schwartz, who recently took his own life as a result of the prosecution that followed what many considered to be real civic hacking, would probably not be willing to join in the festivities on June 1-2 at his local hackerspace were he still alive today.

191 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:44:08am

re: #190 Gus

I don’t get it. What do they want instead, a government anti-hacking day?

192 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:45:30am

re: #191 Obdicut

I don’t get it. What do they want instead, a government anti-hacking day?

I don’t know. In any event, it’s pretty goofy. That’s not really “hacking” that they’re talking about and most people can see it for what it is. Just some event put together by politicians.

193 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:45:34am

re: #189 Gus

Comedy. On the same day, slashdot reports that it’s now illegal to unlock your phone.

Hack away, future jailbirds of America!

194 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:46:12am

re: #193 iossarian

Comedy. On the same day, slashdot reports that it’s now illegal to unlock your phone.

Hack away, future jailbirds of America!

35 years! God bless America.

195 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:46:25am

re: #192 Gus

I don’t know. In any event, it’s pretty goofy. That’s not really “hacking” that they’re talking about and most people can see it for what it is. Just some event put together by politicians.

“hacking”, in actual programming parlance, just means a clever way of doing stuff. Hacking into stuff is different from just hacking. And hacking of either sort is different from hacking at MIT, which means climbing around areas of buildings you’re not supposed to be in and is hella fun.

Ask for the Orange tour.

196 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:46:55am

Thou shall not question the White House!

197 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:50:09am

re: #196 Gus

Thou shall not question the White House!

According to whom?

198 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:52:10am

re: #197 Obdicut

According to whom?

A lot of people I follow on Twitter. Funny, some of them flip-flopped on filibuster reform after they got their marching orders from Harry Reid. Was kind of funny to watch. So, they started calling all these people that were complaining about about this, emoprogs and such. Anyway, these same people that complaining about the emoprogs pee in their pants over Zero Dark Thirty.

199 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:52:37am

A strong political party is well policed.

//

200 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:54:51am

Bryan, when are you going to get you ass out of here? Please leave now.


Also: TT has been living abroad since 1995. FAIL.

201 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:55:20am

re: #198 Gus

The filibuster reform isn’t really much of a reform, it’s a tiny incremental step. However, since there’s an actual threat of the Democrats becoming a minority in the senate, I’m not certain right now is the time to completely undercut filibuster ability, either. I think filibuster shit needs reform, but the actual problem is the GOP itself, not the process.

I’m kind of in the middle about it. It’s nice they got a little something pushed forwards, I wish they’d gotten more but then I’d be much more worried about the senate flipping.

And I don’t think Obama is happy with the filibuster reform stuff, probably. So I’m not getting the connection to ‘don’t question the whitehouse’.

202 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Bryan, when are you going to get you ass out of here? Please leave now.


Also: TT has been living abroad since 1995. FAIL.

Also, Switzerland has high personal tax rates, higher taxes on dividends and capital gains than we do, and a microtax on securities transactions, so…

203 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:03:32am

re: #202 Obdicut

Also, Switzerland has high personal tax rates, higher taxes on dividends and capital gains than we do, and a microtax on securities transactions, so…

That’s sort of true but also sort of not true. I’ve lived in Switzerland and there are various tax system details that make it attractive to high-wealth individuals.

204 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:03:52am

re: #171 Ian G.

Yes, Christians are the new blacks. For example, I saw a drinking fountain the other day that said “secularists only”. There was also a lynch mob that formed after a Christian guy whistled at an atheist woman walking down the street. His body is still hanging from the lamppost. And I recently discovered that it’s against the law for me, an atheist, to marry my Catholic girlfriend.

Is it considered bad form to use the word “Jesus freak” in your reality?

205 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:04:40am

Oh, and even though Tina Turner may be becoming a Swiss citizen (after living there since 1995), she may still have US tax obligations on US source income (eg sales from records, royalties, copyright, movies, performances, etc.).

206 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:05:09am

re: #203 iossarian

That’s sort of true but also sort of not true. I’ve lived in Switzerland and there are various tax system details that make it attractive to high-wealth individuals.

But they do indeed have a pretty robust welfare state, helped by the national income from their somewhat shady financial system and other oddities, such as their role in greasing the skids for international art trading/theft.

207 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:06:19am

re: #206 iossarian

But they do indeed have a pretty robust welfare state, helped by the national income from their somewhat shady financial system and other oddities, such as their role in greasing the skids for international art trading/theft.

Not to mention all the money they looted from Holocaust victims by denying their account to survivors.

208 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:06:48am
209 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:08:21am

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

Not to mention all the money they looted from Holocaust victims by denying their account to survivors.

There’s an interesting situation ongoing, where a descendant in California is suing the Hungarian govt for some valuable artwork that was seized in the run-up to WWII.

Seems quite obvious morally until you start thinking abou direct reparations for slavery etc.

210 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:10:59am

re: #209 iossarian

There’s an interesting situation ongoing, where a descendant in California is suing the Hungarian govt for some valuable artwork that was seized in the run-up to WWII.

Seems quite obvious morally until you start thinking abou direct reparations for slavery etc.

Survivors in Switzerland requested access to their family’s bank accounts since the end of the war, only to be refused because they lacked official death certificates. It is not like there is a class action suit brought many years later.

211 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:14:01am

re: #203 iossarian

That’s sort of true but also sort of not true. I’ve lived in Switzerland and there are various tax system details that make it attractive to high-wealth individuals.

Sure, but there are various tax systems in the US that do the same. People use swiss banks in the US to dodge taxes, not because Switzerland has some no-taxing rule or something.

212 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:16:55am

re: #211 Obdicut

Sure, but there are various tax systems in the US that do the same. People use swiss banks in the US to dodge taxes, not because Switzerland has some no-taxing rule or something.

This is what most people are interested in:

It is possible to agree to pay a fixed annual sum to the Swiss tax authorities, which is normally fixed for life.

[Link: www.sykesanderson.com…]

213 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:19:35am

It’s called the “forfait fiscal” in French. More details here:

[Link: www.isyours.com…]

214 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:23:36am

re: #212 iossarian

Oh right, I remember a Swiss friend of mine telling me about the sad case of a woman applying to change the amount she paid because all her children had died in an accident, and she’d been paying with the assumption they’d all be going to school, etc.

Anyway, rich people in the US can get away with paying very little too; her husband is a Swiss resident, Switzerland is a nice place, and I’m going to guess she’s becoming a citizen for those reasons rather than as an elaborate tax dodge. Swiss citizenship is also very good for international travel, if you’re into that sort of thing.

215 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:27:21am

Speaking of Switzerland, there’s a photo that the wingnuts are spamming around, that shows two girls riding bikes, with rifles strapped to their backs, with the claim these are “typical Swiss girls.” I know that Switzerland has high gun ownership, but is this photo real or a stock photo taken somewhere else?

I don’t have the photo but you can google “Swiss girls with rifles” it’s not pr0n.

216 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:27:43am

re: #214 Obdicut

It also has a rather good state-supported health insurance system!

217 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:32:07am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Tin Eye is your friend in trying to get to the origin of the image.

218 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:33:20am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of Switzerland, there’s a photo that the wingnuts are spamming around, that shows two girls riding bikes, with rifles strapped to their backs, with the claim these are “typical Swiss girls.” I know that Switzerland has high gun ownership, but is this photo real or a stock photo taken somewhere else?

I don’t have the photo but you can google “Swiss girls with rifles” it’s not pr0n.

I will preface this by saying that I don’t know much about the specific laws regarding how weapons are allowed to be *transported* in Switzerland, but here’s my take on it:

Everyone (well, not everyone, but most men and now quite a few women since they extended voluntary military service to women) has a military-style rifle, keeps it at home and maintains it.

The kicker is that you can’t have any ammunition at home. That is kept at the depot and there are pretty strict penalties when people get hold of it, because that’s inevitably when accidents happen.

Personal gun ownership I know nothing about but I don’t think it’s any more or less than in other European countries, so I guess it’s pretty low. People aren’t “into guns” particularly (apart from the nutters of course - there are nutters everywhere).

Basically, people in military service own rifles and train with them every so often, but don’t have any bullets at home unless someone fucks up. If there were ever a national emergency requiring a military response, people would assemble at their local depots and load up, as regulated by the (fully professional) army leadership.

219 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:33:29am
220 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:35:36am

re: #218 iossarian

I will preface this by saying that I don’t know much about the specific laws regarding how weapons are allowed to be *transported* in Switzerland, but here’s my take on it:

Everyone (well, not everyone, but most men and now quite a few women since they extended voluntary military service to women) has a military-style rifle, keeps it at home and maintains it.

The kicker is that you can’t have any ammunition at home. That is kept at the depot and there are pretty strict penalties when people get hold of it, because that’s inevitably when accidents happen.

Personal gun ownership I know nothing about but I don’t think it’s any more or less than in other European countries, so I guess it’s pretty low. People aren’t “into guns” particularly (apart from the nutters of course - there are nutters everywhere).

Basically, people in military service own rifles and train with them every so often, but don’t have any bullets at home unless someone fucks up. If there were ever a national emergency requiring a military response, people would assemble at their local depots and load up, as regulated by the (fully professional) army leadership.

Sounds like a very well-regulated militia.

221 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:35:41am

re: #218 iossarian

Just to finish off that point, when I was living in Switzerland, there was zero culture of “guns for self-defense”, but that’s partly because it’s a country with a lot of money and a pretty comfortable social safety net. Geneva is a city of 300K people and I would definitely let my kids travel around it alone at night as soon as they were old enough not to get lost.

222 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:36:02am

re: #219 Lidane

Jindal’s going to present himself should he run for president (totally expect him to) as being a new kind of Republican and the media will probably cosign on his bullshit because his youth and son of immigrant background will make for a good story. The guy is just as extreme and hell I’d say more extreme than much of the guys who ran last year. Jindal’s idea of reform is raising the sales tax, a tax that if increased would hurt the middle and poor hard.

223 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:36:16am

re: #220 Vicious Babushka

Sounds like a very well-regulated militia.

Well exactly. It’s the polar opposite of what the gun lobby actually promotes.

224 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:38:41am

re: #223 iossarian

Well exactly. It’s the polar opposite of what the gun lobby actually promotes.

Sounds like the Swiss really believe in the regulated part. The gun lobby in the US seems hellbent on making buying a gun as simple as ordering a pizza. Anyhow, I’d point out that Switzerland is a different country than us and what works in Switzerland would not work here. I mean if they get to call Scandinavian style welfare states tyrannical, that’s fair to point out too.

225 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:41:54am

re: #224 HappyWarrior

Sounds like the Swiss really believe in the regulated part. The gun lobby in the US seems hellbent on making buying a gun as simple as ordering a pizza. Anyhow, I’d point out that Switzerland is a different country than us and what works in Switzerland would not work here. I mean if they get to call Scandinavian style welfare states tyrannical, that’s fair to point out too.

The key thing in Switzerland is that if someone discharges a weapon in any other circumstance than a highly regulated range or training exercise, then it’s because something has gone wrong.

Try selling that to GunGrlInGeorgia.

226 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:43:33am

re: #225 iossarian

The key thing in Switzerland is that if someone discharges a weapon in any other circumstance than a highly regulated range or training exercise, then it’s because something has gone wrong.

Try selling that to GunGrlInGeorgia.

Sounds like they realize their guns are in fact guns. Anyhow, I’ve always wanted to go to Switzerland. Student tour I did of Central Europe moved Geneva into the cities on the itinerary the year after. Meh :).

227 iossarian  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:45:57am

re: #226 HappyWarrior

Sounds like they realize their guns are in fact guns. Anyhow, I’ve always wanted to go to Switzerland. Student tour I did of Central Europe moved Geneva into the cities on the itinerary the year after. Meh :).

I’ve got to say, it’s a great place to live but not necessarily all that interesting to visit, especially the cities. (The scenery is stunning.)

Similar-sized cities in France and Italy tend to have a bit more going on and also more high culture (if you’re into that). Switzerland can be a bit provincial.

228 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:46:07am

MOAR FAIL from “the persecuted Christian”

229 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:48:08am

re: #221 iossarian

Just to finish off that point, when I was living in Switzerland, there was zero culture of “guns for self-defense”, but that’s partly because it’s a country with a lot of money and a pretty comfortable social safety net. Geneva is a city of 300K people and I would definitely let my kids travel around it alone at night as soon as they were old enough not to get lost.

When I was in Stockholm, I asked the front desk clerk if there were any neighborhoods I needed to avoid. He said “Well, some of them are very boring?” and looked puzzled. I explained I meant for safety and he looked thoughtful, said as a tourist I might possibly get pickpocketed or mugged in the bar districts but if I used common sense I should be fine. He said he’d never really thought about it in terms of his own safety.

230 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:49:41am

re: #183 Gus

Yeehaw. Another dog and pony show at Davos.

I’m not following that, but this came across my Twitter feed:


George Soros backs Guatemalan president’s call to end war on drugs

Billionaire philanthropist George Soros said the war on drugs had endangered political stability and security in many countries

[…]

“Drug policy has endangered political stability and security in many countries, and not just in Latin America,” he said, citing Mali as one of several African countries to suffer.

Soros told a press conference that austerity was encouraging politicians, even in the US, to rethink the war on drugs. “Incarceration is hugely expensive … The cost of alternatives is smaller than the cost of incarceration,” he said.

The billionaire philanthropist was speaking alongside the Guatemalan president, Pérez Molina, who announced that he would host a meeting of Latin American leaders to discuss the issue in June. The gathering will involve several groups including the Beckley Foundation and Soros’s own organisation. “Prohibition, this war on drugs, has seen cartels grow and the results are not what we looked for,” Molina said. “There is a new trend towards drugs now – not war, but a new perspective and a different way of dealing with the problem.”

Molina is determined to use Davos to shift the focus of the drugs debate from morality to science. He told the Observer last week that drug money had penetrated Guatemala’s judicial system and security forces, and that he favoured a regulatory approach to drugs, rather than the extremes of a full-blown war on drugs or a policy of liberalisation.

[…]

231 efuseakay  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:50:00am
232 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:50:45am

Oh, I forgot to add,

SOOORRRRROOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

233 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:51:36am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

You’re good at the debunking here, so what’s the reality of the situation? Did McDonalds hire someone to check to see if their Dearborn locales were conforming to Halal standards?

234 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:56:26am

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

Switzerland also didn’t give women the right to vote until the 70’s, and are infamously anti-Muslim, as evidenced by the Anti-Minaret thing.

235 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 8:59:45am

re: #233 Ian G.

You’re good at the debunking here, so what’s the reality of the situation? Did McDonalds hire someone to check to see if their Dearborn locales were conforming to Halal standards?

McD advertised that the sandwiches at 2 of their Dearborn locations were halal, but served customers non-halal when they ran out.

Kosher establishments are prohibited from serving non-kosher on their premises, and they have a supervisor on site while food is being stored, prepared and served. I do not think that Halal is that stringent.

236 kirkspencer  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:00:07am

re: #233 Ian G.

You’re good at the debunking here, so what’s the reality of the situation? Did McDonalds hire someone to check to see if their Dearborn locales were conforming to Halal standards?

(Yeah, not VB, but will throw my words in the pot anyway.) They’re not saying. Officially, no. But rather than take it through the courts they agreed to the settlement of $700,000.

So officially,
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

237 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:00:28am

re: #234 ProBosniaLiberal

Switzerland also didn’t give women the right to vote until the 70’s, and are infamously anti-Muslim, as evidenced by the Anti-Minaret thing.

Switzerland did not allow Jews to live there OR EVEN VISIT until the 1860’s I believe.

238 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:01:43am

Refresh #237, 1860’s, not 1890’s.

239 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:02:04am

re: #170 A Mom Anon

OK Lizards, this mommy lizard is about to say goodbye to her baby lizard tommorrow. He’s going off to be evaluated at a vocational rehabilitation school for 18-24 yr olds with disabilities. For a month. He’ll be 19 soon, this is the longest he’s ever been away from home. I’m doing my best not to cry or show too much emotion because, well, I want him to feel like this is new adventure, a pathway to adulthood and independance. But wow is this harder than I thought. I’m a mess,lol.

After the month is over, he comes home and we wait for word on when he goes back and for how long, what they will (and won’t ) be able to do for him, etc. I guess I should hold back the tears for when he’s actually gone for the long term, yes?

Good luck, Mom. :-)

240 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:02:32am
241 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:02:59am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

They are very backwards in a number of regards.

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Yep, that’s a bad on McD’s part.

Thought, I don’t like how McD’s prepares their food. Prefer Wendy’s, Burger King, and Popeyes. A&W if I can find one in that area.

242 makeitstop  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:04:02am

Really, Mississippi? Really??

Mississippi GOPers Pushing Bill To ‘Assert The Sovereignty Of The State’

This quote about sums it up:

Numerous experts and historians consulted by the newspaper ridiculed the measure.

“The Neutralization of Federal Law’?” Robert McElvaine, professor of history at Millsaps College, said. “I am astounded to see such a measure introduced in the 21st century. Do the authors of the bill see Mississippi as part of the United States?”

Indeed.

Hey, Mississippi douche canoes - you can pass your stupid law, provided you give up all claims to any federal aid of any sort.

Deal? Thought not.

243 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:04:45am

re: #241 ProBosniaLiberal

They are very backwards in a number of regards.

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

Yep, that’s a bad on McD’s part.

Thought, I don’t like how McD’s prepares their food. Prefer Wendy’s, Burger King, and Popeyes. A&W if I can find one in that area.

I do not eat at any franchise fast food place anywhere, ever. Not even in Israel (except for my favorite falafel stands)

244 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:05:39am

re: #235 Vicious Babushka

McD advertised that the sandwiches at 2 of their Dearborn locations were halal, but served customers non-halal when they ran out.

Kosher establishments are prohibited from serving non-kosher on their premises, and they have a supervisor on site while food is being stored, prepared and served. I do not think that Halal is that stringent.

You’re correct, halal isn’t as strict. No one is required to be on premises to monitor things, and it’s okay to serve other food as long as no non-halal items (or utensils that have been used to prepare them) comes in contact with the halal ones.

245 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:06:23am

re: #237 Vicious Babushka

Switzerland did not allow Jews to live there OR EVEN VISIT until the 1860’s I believe.

Sheesh, I didn’t know that.

246 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:06:55am

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

I have an extremely rapid Metabolism, so I eat whatever. And A&W is awesome.

Speaking of which……

247 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:08:22am

re: #133 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, the Christians are smuggling each other into Canada in order to get “FREEDOM!”?

More power to ‘em, though I will start pitying Canada as well.
///

Great, so we are going to have to put a barbed wire fence across our border now, create the Northern Arizona militia to guard it and start talking about illegal immigrants.

248 Jolo5309  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:10:01am

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

WHY do you subject yourself to this?

An excuse to drink?

249 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:10:41am
250 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:11:41am

re: #245 CuriousLurker

Sheesh, I didn’t know that.

Here is an article from 1851, describing how Jews are excluded from Switzerland. Archaic 19th-century language, but you should get the general idea.

251 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:14:45am

re: #250 Vicious Babushka

Here is an article from 1851, describing how Jews are excluded from Switzerland. Archaic 19th-century language, but you should get the general idea.

I think the concentration on the Nazis as the big enemies of the Jews have kind of lulled people into thinking their antisemtism was unusual in Europe at that time. It wasn’t. Luther’s antisemitism was especially virulent, but you can find virulent antisemitism in other countries, too. If Germany had ‘won’ WWI and imposed crippling sanctions on France, then France might have been the one to get all fascist, scapegoat Jews, and produce some Hitler-type.

Mass murder and persecution of Jews in Europe wasn’t new; the Nazis industrialized it. That was the only real difference.

252 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:17:48am

re: #251 Obdicut

I think the concentration on the Nazis as the big enemies of the Jews have kind of lulled people into thinking their antisemtism was unusual in Europe at that time. It wasn’t. Luther’s antisemitism was especially virulent, but you can find virulent antisemitism in other countries, too. If Germany had ‘won’ WWI and imposed crippling sanctions on France, then France might have been the one to get all fascist, scapegoat Jews, and produce some Hitler-type.

Mass murder and persecution of Jews in Europe wasn’t new; the Nazis industrialized it. That was the only real difference.

yep. Just read up on the Dreyfus Affair to see it active in France pre-WW I. (Not mass murder mind you, but rampant anti-Semetism coming out in the military, media, etc.)

253 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:17:56am

Can’t say that I’m gonna miss him when he’s gone.

Sen. Saxby Chambliss Will Not Seek Re-Election (FULL STATEMENT)

IIRC, he is supposedly one of the Tea Party’s primary targets in 2014 for voting to prevent the ‘fiscal cliff’.

254 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:19:24am

re: #252 Feline Fearless Leader

yep. Just read up on the Dreyfus Affair to see it active in France pre-WW I.

The Dreyfus affair was what fueled Zionism. Jews realized that they could be well-assimilated and integrated and still be targeted.

255 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:20:30am

re: #242 makeitstop

Really, Mississippi? Really??

Mississippi GOPers Pushing Bill To ‘Assert The Sovereignty Of The State’

What do you expect from a state with a majority slave population before the Civil War? There are still a bunch of ignorant rednecks there who pine for the days of Jim Crow.

Dear Mississippi,

Andrew Jackson called. He wanted me to remind you about his thoughts on nullification:

“I consider, then, the power to annul a law of the United States, assumed by one State, incompatible with the existence of the Union, contradicted expressly by the letter of the Constitution, unauthorized by its spirit, inconsistent with every principle on which It was founded, and destructive of the great object for which it was formed.”

In short, stop trying to nullify laws you don’t like while pretending you’re a patriot, you treasonous, ass-backwards douchecanoes.

No love,
Me

256 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:27:10am

I wonder if David Barton ever gets dizzy from all the spin:

David Barton: Hey, I Was Just ‘Passing on Information’!

*headdesk*

257 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:30:19am

WHINY ASS VICTIM

258 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:31:48am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

Because the people who lost their homes and had their lives turned upside down don’t matter as much as the churches in the area.

Also, aren’t people like Fischer big on charity over government aid? If you think the churches there should get money, donate. Simple as that.

259 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:32:04am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

WHINY ASS VICTIM

Tell you what, Bryan. Your so-called churches start paying taxes and then they can apply for aid paid for BY THOSE TAXES!

260 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33:40am

Er, what?

261 erik_t  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33:56am

re: #257 Vicious Babushka

@BryanJFischer Christian is the new black. Obama gives FEMA aid to all Sandy victims but churches.

Ah. I trust then, Bryan, that synogogues and mosques and whathaveyou did get aid. Because surely you are not implicitly suggesting that Christian places of worship are the only ones that matter and, indeed, the only ones that exist.

…right?

262 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:34:45am

re: #258 Lidane

Because the people who lost their homes and had their lives turned upside down don’t matter as much as the churches in the area.

Also, aren’t people like Fischer big on charity over government aid? If you think the churches there should get money, donate. Simple as that.

Yeah, Bryan is soooo charitable. But he would deny that bowl of gruel to non-Christians, gays, women pregnant out of wedlock.

263 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:37:56am

Godwin

264 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:37:59am

What right wing sexism?

Also, they call Sarah Palin a feminist. WTF?

265 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:40:57am

Morning Lizardim. What’s new from the front lines of the war on derp?

266 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:42:29am

So says the front group for Koch Bros. & Matty Moroun:

267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:43:03am

re: #262 Vicious Babushka

Yeah, Bryan is soooo charitable. But he would deny that bowl of gruel to non-Christians, gays, women pregnant out of wedlock.

This is one thing that really bothers me about my fellow Christians. They don’t seem to grasp the concept of “love thy neighbor” very well. I imagine Bryan Fischer’s head would asplode rather spectacularly if you told him that Jesus hung out with prostitutes.

268 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:43:36am

What right-wing racism?

From Family Security Matters:
Barack Obama: Our Orc-in-Chief

And a bonus Godwin from the article itself:

How true. Of course, a man who is nothing but who seeks to be something by pursuing political power is, root and branch, a nihilist. And that is what Obama is, at core. Down deep, he knows he is nothing. But in the eyes of his worshipping electorate, he is something. He is a leader. A Messiah. A Führer. The Thirteenth Imam. The Mahdi. The Prophet. The savior of the ages, the man on horseback who comes to save a nation from itself. Because he is nothing, he must work miracles, and turn gold into lead. He must prove that he is something.

269 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:43:44am

re: #267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

This is one thing that really bothers me about my fellow Christians. They don’t seem to grasp the concept of “love thy neighbor” very well. I imagine Bryan Fischer’s head would asplode rather spectacularly if you told him that Jesus hung out with prostitutes.

And that thing about the camel and the needle’s eye.

270 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:44:28am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

And that thing about the camel and the needle’s eye.

The Good Samaritan was too charitable. He needed to reserve his kindness only for God’s Chosen People. Stupid communists.

271 erik_t  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:45:17am

re: #267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

This is one thing that really bothers me about my fellow Christians. They don’t seem to grasp the concept of “love thy neighbor” very well. I imagine Bryan Fischer’s head would asplode rather spectacularly if you told him that Jesus hung out with prostitutes.

Frankly, they pretty much ignore the Jesus thing entirely. It’s all fire and brimstone and Angry Old Testament God.

272 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:46:38am

re: #251 Obdicut

I think the concentration on the Nazis as the big enemies of the Jews have kind of lulled people into thinking their antisemtism was unusual in Europe at that time. It wasn’t. Luther’s antisemitism was especially virulent, but you can find virulent antisemitism in other countries, too. If Germany had ‘won’ WWI and imposed crippling sanctions on France, then France might have been the one to get all fascist, scapegoat Jews, and produce some Hitler-type.

Mass murder and persecution of Jews in Europe wasn’t new; the Nazis industrialized it. That was the only real difference.

Indeed. And to add to your point about Luther, I believe Hitler heavily referenced Luther in Mein Kempf. I believe it was only fairly recently that the Lutheran Church explicitly denounced the Anti-Semitism of his work. And that’s scary to think about with France but considering Petain and Vichy, you’re probably right. Poor economic conditions and a demoralized country are the perfect breeding grounds for fanatics like Hitler and countless others.

273 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:47:38am

re: #271 erik_t

Frankly, they pretty much ignore the Jesus thing entirely. It’s all fire and brimstone and Angry Old Testament God.

If that’s what they want, they can keep it. I’d rather spend my time trying to make the world a better place. I don’t need to intimidate anyone into believing in God, I’m hoping they’ll want to after seeing how I interact with the world.

274 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:47:41am

re: #267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

This is one thing that really bothers me about my fellow Christians. They don’t seem to grasp the concept of “love thy neighbor” very well. I imagine Bryan Fischer’s head would asplode rather spectacularly if you told him that Jesus hung out with prostitutes.

What weirds me out is how they sound more like Ayn Rand than Jesus Christ when it comes to charity.

275 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:49:57am

TGDN, where the Birther shit never ends

276 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:50:29am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

What weirds me out is how they sound more like Ayn Rand than Jesus Christ when it comes to charity.

I’m hoping that the younger generations, like my own, will adopt more liberal lines when they come into church leadership. The only problem is that the indoctrination machines of many churches are incredibly strong, and they are working hard to “groom for leadership” those who swallow the party line unthinkingly.

277 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:50:38am

re: #267 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

This is one thing that really bothers me about my fellow Christians. They don’t seem to grasp the concept of “love thy neighbor” very well. I imagine Bryan Fischer’s head would asplode rather spectacularly if you told him that Jesus hung out with prostitutes.

Image: tumblr_m1gcz1UFv31qzz78po1_500.jpg

278 lawhawk  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:50:42am

Newsworthy for Bryan Fischer tweets is that he says something nonderpy, coherent, or factual. It isn’t news that he’s an ignorant, misogynistic fool.

279 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:51:08am

re: #278 lawhawk

Newsworthy for Bryan Fischer tweets is that he says something nonderpy, coherent, or factual. It isn’t news that he’s an ignorant, misogynistic fool.

Well then we would know his Twitter feed has been hacked.

280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:51:15am

re: #277 William Barnett-Lewis

Image: tumblr_m1gcz1UFv31qzz78po1_500.jpg

I am so taking this. That was awesome.

281 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:51:42am

re: #251 Obdicut

I generally don’t subscribe to ideas about “American Exceptionalism”, as I think it’s poisonous jingoism to think there’s something inherently better about us vs. the rest of humanity. That being said, we are one of the few places without much of a history of anti-semitism (Leo Frank’s lynching is noted, of course). I suppose being a nation of immigrants makes it less likely that Jews would be singled out as “foreign”.

282 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:52:16am

re: #275 Vicious Babushka

TGDN, where the Birther shit never ends

That’s also a veiled comment regarding Lincoln’s assassination (he died on April 15, 1865).

Of course, the link from that tweet goes to Orly Taitz’s website.

283 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:54:45am

re: #280 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I am so taking this. That was awesome.

I found it yesterday while following up on a church sign that read:
“Live so fully that Westboro Baptist Church will picket your funeral.”

284 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:54:49am

re: #282 RadicalModerate

That’s also a veiled comment regarding Lincoln’s assassination.

Yeah I noticed that. Hopefully SS did too.

285 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:55:13am
286 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:55:17am

re: #283 William Barnett-Lewis

I found it yesterday while following up on a church sign that read:
“Live so fully that Westboro Baptist Church will picket your funeral.”

As they say in the Guinness commercials: Brilliant! Seriously awesome sign.

287 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:55:49am

re: #285 Lidane

Paul Broun for Senate: Because Rand Paul and Ted Cruz need a poker buddy.

288 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:56:12am

Truth:

289 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:56:56am

MOAR GODWIN

In their little echo bubble, they really believe all the sick shit they keep repeating. Like all this constant frenzy over 4 adult government employees who agreed to a post in a dangerous region.

290 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:57:28am

re: #283 William Barnett-Lewis

I found it yesterday while following up on a church sign that read:
“Live so fully that Westboro Baptist Church will picket your funeral.”

That quote and the preceding picture seriously just made my day. Thank you for making this impromptu visit to LGF worthwhile.

291 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:58:02am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

MOAR GODWIN

In their little echo bubble, they really believe all the sick shit they keep repeating. Like all this constant frenzy over 4 adult government employees who agreed to a post in a dangerous region.

Yet I bet he thinks the “damned hippies” at Kent State had it coming.

292 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:58:57am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

Yet I bet he thinks the “damned hippies” at Kent State had it coming.

And the 20 little kids at Sandy Hook were just a necessary sacrifice 2 PRESERV OUR GUN FREEDOMZ

293 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:59:41am

re: #289 Vicious Babushka

Where are these morons getting the whole “ZOMG OBUMMER WANTS MILITARY 2 FIRE ON REAL MURICANS!” fail? I keep seeing them bleat about it but it makes no damn sense.

294 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:00:39am

re: #293 Lidane

Where are these morons getting the whole “ZOMG OBUMMER WANTS MILITARY 2 FIRE ON REAL MURICANS!” fail? I keep seeing them bleat about it but it makes no damn sense.

They just make shit up all the time, and then keep retweeting it like its HOALEY BIBEL.

295 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:00:42am

Cue the ‘splodey heads:

296 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:01:22am

Like this sick shit:

297 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:01:36am

re: #281 Ian G.

We have a history of anti-semitism, plenty of it, just not generally of the mass-killing variety. My grandpa wasn’t hired at UC Berkeley post-WWII explicitly because he was Jewish. We didn’t let in Jewish refugees during WWII. The KKK targeted Jews too. Etc. etc.

298 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:04:10am

re: #297 Obdicut

We have a history of anti-semitism, plenty of it, just not generally of the mass-killing variety. My grandpa wasn’t hired to at UC Berkeley post-WWII explicitly because he was Jewish. We didn’t let in Jewish refugees during WWII. The KKK targeted Jews too. Etc. etc.

I noticed that a lot of the RWNJ’s on TGDN have little Israeli flags on their avi’s, but they like to co-opt the Holocaust victimology for themselves.

299 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:05:44am

re: #297 Obdicut

Not dismissing that at all, but those kind of things don’t seem any worse than what the Irish and Italians went through, and far less than what African-Americans went through.

And while non-admission to “exclusive” universities is of course repugnant bigotry, it’s nowhere near the pogroms, expulsions, and genocide that was common in Europe for centuries.

300 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:08:19am

re: #298 Vicious Babushka

The right-wing Christian obsession with Israel is really creepy, especially since it seems to be based on some fairy-tale idea of Israel as some Biblical fantasy land. I never get tired of mentioning to nutters that Israel has a left-wing, allows openly gay people to serve in the IDF, and has universal healthcare (which Romney dimwittedly praised on his trip there last summer).

301 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:08:37am

re: #299 Ian G.

Not dismissing that at all, but those kind of things don’t seem any worse than what the Irish and Italians went through, and far less than what African-Americans went through.

Well, sure. As well as antisemitism we had anti-Italianism and anti-Irishism. You said we didn’t have much of a history of antisemitism. We do. Which makes sense, since most of the immigrants to the US came from places with histories of antisemitism.

And while non-admission to “exclusive” universities is of course repugnant bigotry, it’s nowhere near the pogroms, expulsions, and genocide that was common in Europe for centuries.

But I didn’t say it was equivalent. It’s still antisemitism. You’re basically just saying what I said back to me now:

We have a history of anti-semitism, plenty of it, just not generally of the mass-killing variety.

302 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:10:12am

So sick of this Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi shit.

303 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:11:39am

re: #300 Ian G.

The right-wing Christian obsession with Israel is really creepy, especially since it seems to be based on some fairy-tale idea of Israel as some Biblical fantasy land. I never get tired of mentioning to nutters that Israel has a left-wing, allows openly gay people to serve in the IDF, and has universal healthcare (which Romney dimwittedly praised on his trip there last summer).

Part of it could be the fact that Bibi and Obama aren’t exactly chummy but I always thought it was weird given what you’ve mentioned. I think I’ve read that Tel Aviv is one of the most gay friendly cities in the world before too. I do always point out though that they allow gays to serve to people who claim it would ruin our military.

304 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:11:40am

re: #301 Obdicut

You’re right. I guess what I should have said is that the American brand of anti-semitism is nowhere near as horrific as the European and Middle Eastern versions.

305 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:13:17am

re: #299 Ian G.

Not dismissing that at all, but those kind of things don’t seem any worse than what the Irish and Italians went through, and far less than what African-Americans went through.

And while non-admission to “exclusive” universities is of course repugnant bigotry, it’s nowhere near the pogroms, expulsions, and genocide that was common in Europe for centuries.

In the Southern US, antisemitism was very close to the level of that subjected to African-Americans, and were specifically targeted by racist organizations like the KKK - this was one of the reasons that Jewish people rode side-by-side with other Civil Rights activists, and were assaulted (and in many cases, murdered) because of it.

306 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:15:13am

re: #304 Ian G.

You’re right. I guess what I should have said is that the American brand of anti-semitism is nowhere near as horrific as the European and Middle Eastern versions.

Yeah, but that’s definitely damning with faint praise there.

307 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:15:59am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

I heart you. LOL. You are relentless. A veritable Tenacious Pit Bull of Fake Quote Slaying. Tenacious B(for babushka). Hee.

308 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:17:58am

re: #305 RadicalModerate

In the Southern US, antisemitism was very close to the level of that subjected to African-Americans, and were specifically targeted by racist organizations like the KKK - this was one of the reasons that Jewish people rode side-by-side with other Civil Rights activists, and were assaulted (and in many cases, murdered) because of it.

Indeed and to be honest with you, that’s why I am skeptical of many Southern evangelicals who claim to love Israel. I mean the doomsday crap I think is bad enough but you can’t forget what happened to people like Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Scary to think that wasn’t even 50 years ago. Jews were and to a degree still are portrayed in this country as the driving force behind left wing movements. Anti-Communism(and leftism as a whole) in this country always had a very not so subtle Anti-Semitic edge to it.

309 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:20:48am

re: #304 Ian G.

You’re right. I guess what I should have said is that the American brand of anti-semitism is nowhere near as horrific as the European and Middle Eastern versions.

Could that be in part attributed to the fact that those societies are older? I mean I see nothing unique about American society that suggests that it would have been immune from the very violent Anti-Semtiism of the Middle Ages had there been European-American civilization in the Americas at that time. In some ways, we are better, I agree. I think we as a whole do a better job integrating immigrants than many societies do.

310 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:21:05am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Indeed and to be honest with you, that’s why I am skeptical of many Southern evangelicals who claim to love Israel. I mean the doomsday crap I think is bad enough but you can’t forget what happened to people like Andrew Goodman and Michael Schwerner. Scary to think that wasn’t even 50 years ago. Jews were and to a degree still are portrayed in this country as the driving force behind left wing movements. Anti-Communism(and leftism as a whole) in this country always had a very not so subtle Anti-Semitic edge to it.

Even so, there is a long history of Jewish settlement in the South, many did find a home and established communities.

311 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:21:13am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Jews were and to a degree still are portrayed in this country as the driving force behind left wing movements. Anti-Communism(and leftism as a whole) in this country always had a very not so subtle Anti-Semitic edge to it.

A lot of the nutters still talk about the Bilderbergs and “the bankers” (i.e., DA JOOZ) as being driving forces of every conspiracy known to man.

They’re not subtle about it at all.

312 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:22:50am

Keep repeating a lie over and over and people will start to believe it. (Totally not Godwining here, just pointing out an observable fact)

313 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:25:28am

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

Even so, there is a long history of Jewish settlement in the South, many did find a home and established communities.

Yeah I believe New Orleans has had a vibrant Jewish community since its founding.

314 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:27:02am

re: #311 Lidane

A lot of the nutters still talk about the Bilderbergs and “the bankers” (i.e., DA JOOZ) as being driving forces of every conspiracy known to man.

They’re not subtle about it at all.

Shit whenever I hear Bill Donahue of the Catholic League, it’s obvious what he’s doing especially because he’s not exactly subtle in blaming Jewish studio heads, filmmakers, entertainers, etc for Anti-Catholicism. Drives me nuts. I’m very sensitive when it comes to Anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry because I’ve seen the prejudice first hand from relatives.

315 A Mom Anon  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:27:21am

re: #312 Vicious Babushka

Bet that if you asked this dipshit what Marxism or communism actually is he couldn’t even begin to form a coherent answer. Oh and if they shut down DC then what? Another thing that would leave him babbling in a corner.

316 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:32:14am

re: #315 A Mom Anon

Bet that if you asked this dipshit what Marxism or communism actually is he couldn’t even begin to form a coherent answer. Oh and if they shut down DC then what? Another thing that would leave him babbling in a corner.

They know that Obama is one and that’s all you need to know. Have many of them actually read Marx? No, because they’re not reading commie babel! The fact of the matter is Obama is more closer to being a centrist than a liberal even.

317 stabby  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 11:25:34am

re: #218 iossarian

I will preface this by saying that I don’t know much about the specific laws regarding how weapons are allowed to be *transported* in Switzerland, but here’s my take on it:

Everyone (well, not everyone, but most men and now quite a few women since they extended voluntary military service to women) has a military-style rifle, keeps it at home and maintains it.

The kicker is that you can’t have any ammunition at home. That is kept at the depot and there are pretty strict penalties when people get hold of it, because that’s inevitably when accidents happen.

Personal gun ownership I know nothing about but I don’t think it’s any more or less than in other European countries, so I guess it’s pretty low. People aren’t “into guns” particularly (apart from the nutters of course - there are nutters everywhere).

Basically, people in military service own rifles and train with them every so often, but don’t have any bullets at home unless someone fucks up. If there were ever a national emergency requiring a military response, people would assemble at their local depots and load up, as regulated by the (fully professional) army leadership.

Someone point out the other day that it isn’t like that anymore.

Now they keep guns in depots like everyone else.

318 BeenHereAwhile  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:58:17pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

re: #310 Vicious Babushka

“Even so, there is a long history of Jewish settlement in the South, many did find a home and established communities.”

Yeah I believe New Orleans has had a vibrant Jewish community since its founding.

Judah P. Benjamin, served as Confederate Attorney-General, Secretary of War, and then Secretary of State.


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