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Fly Lands on Obama’s Face, World Net Daily Raves About Satan - Update: Satan Discovered Writing for WND

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Today at the craziest of the crazy right wing sites, ace reporter Aaron Klein is covering an issue that the mainstream media are too afraid to touch: Is Obama Biblical ‘Lord of the Flies’?

Yes, in addition to being a socialist, a Marxist, Hitler, an angry black radical, a secret Muslim, and a tyrant, President Barack Obama can also lay claim to the title of His Nibs, the Horned One. The Prince of Darkness. The King of Hell. The malignant arch-fiend Beelzebub.

Those reaching to connect Obama’s fly troubles with the darkest biblical references won’t have much difficulty.

One name commonly used to refer to Satan is Beelzebub, which translates from Hebrew into “Lord of the Flies.”

A posting at the popular Free Republic Web forum discusses Beelzebub and asks, “Is the White House fly infestation evidence of demonic presence and influence there?”

The End Times blog named Obama the “Lord of the Flies.”

The blog connects Obama to Beelzebub, writing, “This really isn’t an academic question. The Lord of the Flies is real.”

Over at RevalationNow.net, a posting by “editorial staff” muses about whether Obama is possessed by a demonic entity.

“I feel like I am watching a horror movie and the secret evil character is revealed by the evil signs around him,” the post reads.

Klein concludes his investigative piece with several paragraphs of citations from the Bible and Torah, helpfully explaining the many ways in which Satan has been linked to flies.

Some of World Net Daily’s super-smart commenters suggest an alternate explanation, however.

Flies are a very good judge of excrement.

[…]

Well as a dog owner I’ve seen a lot of dog poop in the yard through the years over the course of 4 dogs & as an eye witness I can say poop usually has lots of flies swarming around it & sitting on it. Maybe we should start calling obammie the BigTurd-in-Chief. ;-)

[…]

HAHAHAHA! That was funny. :)

UPDATE at 1/25/13 1:58:06 pm

World Net Daily may have a huge, no, an apocalyptic problem much closer to home, though. The signs are undeniable. One of their own columnists is also attracting flies.

Lucifer is among them.

The Dark Lord has many faces. (Photoshop by Gus.)

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368 comments

1 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:28:02pm

Never before in 6000 years of creation has a fly ever landed on a person. This is irrefutable proof Obama is a demon.
/

2 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:30:03pm

Well this is a good time as ever to get right wingers to read William Golding’s “Lord of the Flies”.

3 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:30:29pm

The Onion (1988-2013)

4 erik_t  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:30:55pm

Please. Anyone been up north for blackfly season?

The most evil creature in the universe is in that picture, but it’s the lander, not the landed-upon.

5 AntonSirius  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:31:54pm

I guess Satan’s previous incarnation as Belloq didn’t go so well for him.

6 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:32:07pm

re: #4 erik_t

I don’t think these people have ever spent much time outdoors.

7 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:32:44pm

re: #2 dragonath

Well this is a good time as ever to get right wingers to read “Lord of the Flies”.

Be careful what you wish for. They will interpret it as an action plan.

See also The Handmaid’s Tale .

8 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:36:07pm

Barflytom is back?

9 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:36:27pm

Sorry for the early OT, but I posted my first page!

Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Plans to Use Super Bowl to Promote Same-Sex Marriage

10 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:36:59pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

Barflytom is back?

Yep, I already had a run in with him/her.

11 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:37:08pm

moar pruf black people are bad

12 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:37:46pm

re: #9 Geoff with a G

Sorry for the early OT, but I posted my first page!

Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Plans to Use Super Bowl to Promote Same-Sex Marriage

Congrats, You broke your cherry!

:0

13 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:38:04pm

Oy.

14 erik_t  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:38:05pm

re: #6 jaunte

I don’t think these people have ever spent much time outdoors.

Blackfly v. 2.0: Now in Ma’s basement!

15 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:38:36pm

Fly Lands on Obama’s Face, World Net Daily Starts Raving About Satan Stan

16 nines09  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:38:37pm

Whiled Nut Daily should get a good dog shit diviner. They could probably portend a future only thought of by the insane. What a pack of drooling jackals.

17 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:39:20pm
18 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:39:41pm
RevelationNow: “We all can admit this is very strange and if this was a horror movie it would make sense. I worked at a stable and I was never harassed like this by the fly kingdom.”

Wholly horseless stable!

19 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:09pm

I knew WND was batshit dumb but, damn!

20 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:17pm

Catholic Encyclopedia

Beelzeboul (Beelzebub) is used, then, merely as another name for Satan (Matthew 12:24-29; Luke 11:15-22) by whom the enemies of Our Lord accused Him of being possessed and by whom they claimed He cast out demons. Their charge seems to have been that the good Our Lord did was wrought by the Evil One in order to deceive, which Jesus showed to be absurd and a wilful blindness. If the New Testament name be considered a transformation of the old, the question arises as to how the god of the little town of Accaron came to give a name to the Prince of Darkness. The mission on which Ochozias sent his followers seems to show that Beelzebub already had a wide renown in Palestine.

See, Obumzebull’s been cavorting with Palestinians.

21 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:27pm
Today at the craziest of the crazy right wing sites, ace reporter Aaron Klein is covering an issue that the mainstream media are too afraid to touch: Is Obama Biblical ‘Lord of the Flies’?

Left wing media bi-ass. //

22 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:33pm

re: #17 FemNaziBitch

shoo fly

Shoofly pie

23 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:37pm

Paul Freeman is Evil….proof:

24 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:40:49pm

re: #1 Kragar

25 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:41:30pm

re: #24 The Mountain That Blogs

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jinx!

26 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:41:44pm

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

ty ty!

27 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:42:10pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

I knew WND was batshit dumb but, damn!

It was fun yesterday. They said Obama only won the election because he faced no opposition during the election.

28 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:42:11pm

You didn’t mention #TGDN but they’re all gloating about it, it hasn’t stopped the crazed Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi seething, though.

SCAMMER GOTTA SCAM!

29 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:43:02pm

And now, the Scottie pinwheel.

30 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:45:03pm
But
#TGDN
will always be free and supported by donations. I hate asking for money but the workload is simply too much:
is.gd/1Hrpgj

— Todd Kincannon (@ToddKincannon)
January 25, 2013

I thought TGDN was a Twitter hashtag, not some kind of new political action committee with a ‘leader’.

31 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:45:29pm
32 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:45:34pm

Also, the wingnut speculation about “demonic possession” sounds like the stuff I’ve heard in southern churches.

Who knew Satan liked Al Green?

33 Petero1818  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:45:49pm

He is a sekrit Hindooo//

34 erik_t  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:46:05pm

re: #30 Bulworth

I thought TGDN was a Twitter hashtag, not some kind of new political action committee with a ‘leader’.

What ‘work’, exactly, is associated with a hashtag? I mean, aside from typing it.

35 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:46:30pm

Satan sure is lame.
A fly?
Really?
That’s all he’s got??
Pansy.

36 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:47:06pm
I hate asking for money but the workload is simply too much:

He needs money to bribe the Gulag buards to let him out? He needs the money for cigarettes? Is the Aryan Brotherhood active in the Twitter Gulag? I hear they’re pretty rough.

37 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:47:19pm

re: #28 Vicious Babushka

You didn’t mention #TGDN but they’re all gloating about it, it hasn’t stopped the crazed Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi seething, though.

SCAMMER GOTTA SCAM!

First you give the junkies a taste, then you tell them sorry, but you can’t really give them anymore unless they pay you.

38 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:47:30pm

re: #34 erik_t

What ‘work’, exactly, is associated with a hashtag? I mean, aside from typing it.

STOP IT. SCAMMING IS HARD.

39 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:47:46pm

re: #34 erik_t

What ‘work’, exactly, is associated with a hashtag? I mean, aside from typing it.

EVERYONE BAN THIS GUY! #TGDN!!!

40 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:47:55pm
41 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:48:07pm

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

42 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:48:15pm

re: #35 Varek Raith

Satan’s greatest trick was convincing people he didn’t exist was only a fly.

43 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:48:39pm

FLIES ARE BLACK

LIKE YOU KNOW WHO

44 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:48:58pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

Yeah, I can see that working out well.

45 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:49:09pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

{{{Stanley}}}

46 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:49:10pm

re: #43 dragonath

Hitler?

47 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:49:22pm
48 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:49:45pm

Southern Culture on the Skids: “Greenback Fly”

49 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:49:45pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

Satan has many faces.

There it is! I seem to have misplaced that.

50 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:50:06pm

re: #46 Kragar

Hitler?

Obama = Hitler

so yes

51 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:51:18pm

re: #50 dragonath

Obama = Hitler

so yes

May the schwartz be with you!

Luke, I am your father.

52 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:52:12pm

re: #34 erik_t

What ‘work’, exactly, is associated with a hashtag? I mean, aside from typing it.

He has to build the Twitter Gulag set. Barbed wire is expensive.

53 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:52:56pm

re: #51 Gus

May the schwartz be with you!

Luke, I am your father.

Speaking of Schwartz’s AND flies,,, yours is down

((umm,, your fly,,, and well, your schwartz too!! ))

54 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:53:01pm

re: #49 Gus

There it is! I seem to have misplaced that.

Saved a copy a while back in the LGF Image Library and gave it the tag ‘santorum’. Popped right up when I searched for that tag.

55 Geoff with a G  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:53:35pm

Bad News: I have to navigate the Boston Public Schools website/enrollment process for child #1 tonight. Deadline fast approaching for the lottery.

Good News: There is beer in the fridge!

56 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:53:47pm

re: #51 Gus

May the schwartz be with you!

Luke, I am your father.

WRONG!

He never used Luke’s name.

57 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:53:50pm

re: #29 Charles Johnson

And now, the Scottie pinwheel.

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OMG!

58 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:53:50pm

re: #34 erik_t

What ‘work’, exactly, is associated with a hashtag? I mean, aside from typing it.

The mere fact you are asking that question means you are putting him and every #TCOT and #TGDN in Twitter Gulag.

59 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:54:04pm

re: #44 Kragar

Yeah, I can see that working out well.

I know! Really?

60 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:54:14pm

re: #56 Kragar

WRONG!

He never used Luke’s name.

Picky, picky. //

61 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:54:38pm

LOL, I have nothing.

62 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:54:53pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

Oh, shit. So sorry to hear that, Sea. :(

63 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:55:10pm

re: #61 Tigger2

LOL, I have nothing.

Could be worse

You could have an open fly and a deflated schwartz!!

64 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:55:21pm
65 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:55:34pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

{SS}

Sorry to hear

66 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:56:18pm

re: #49 Gus

There it is! I seem to have misplaced that.

YOU MISPLACED a fly?

67 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:56:39pm

re: #59 Stanghazi

I know! Really?

About 7 years ago, out of the blue, I got laid off. 3 days later, we got told we still had our jobs and they were just as safe as they had been before.

“You mean as safe as they were before we got laid off with no notice?”

The manager didn’t have an answer for that.

We were all laid off within the month.

68 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:56:46pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

That sucks.

69 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:56:56pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

they want us back Monday - Thurs

Trying to see how many will come back at under 30 hrs/ week??

70 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:57:06pm

Dinah Shore
Shoofly Pie and Apple Pan Dowdy

71 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:57:19pm

{{{{Stan}}}}}

72 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:58:36pm
73 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:58:49pm

WTF? Suddenly I’m having issues viewing some YouTube videos here. It started the other day—they worked in one thread, but not the other. Now the one Chrles just posted won’t play, but jaunte’s plays fine.

Maybe logging out and clearing my cache will help…

74 Tigger2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:59:07pm

re: #63 sattv4u2

Could be worse

You could have an open fly and a deflated schwartz!!

I’m over 60 it’s always deflated and whats worse I don’t give a shit anymore. lol

75 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:59:30pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

{{{Stanghazi}}}

76 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:59:36pm

THANKS YOU LIZARDS. hate to create a pity party, but FUCK, I am in a place of shock.

I think everything will work out.

77 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:59:39pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

they want us back Monday - Thurs

Trying to see how many will come back at under 30 hrs/ week??

Trying to see how many people will steal the staplers and office chairs so they can order a smaller dumpster at the end of the week.

78 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 1:59:59pm

re: #67 Kragar

Corporations seemed not to have had this scam going while I was in the private sector. Must be new. “You’re laid off. OK, not really, but you can only work on certain days.”

79 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:00:19pm

haha THANK(S) ima wreck.

80 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:01:00pm

re: #77 Killgore Trout

Trying to see how many people will steal the staplers and office chairs so they can order a smaller dumpster at the end of the week.

idjits

81 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:01:32pm

re: #72 Kragar

It’s the Paul Ryan Bobby Jindal Recovery. /

82 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:02:29pm

I just finished a seltzer water making setup earlier this week at my house. I have been making seltzer all week, pushing it in everyone’s face I see. My wife just walked in the door from grocery shopping. 4 bottles of seltzer in tow. He he.

83 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:03:17pm

Virginia Republican senators to kill electoral college change

A plan to alter the winner-takes-all Electoral College rules in the state of Virginia is on the chopping block after two Republican state senators on a key committee said they would oppose it, according to The Associated Press.

84 Ian G.  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:03:56pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

That sucks, I’ve been there, and it’s about as much fun as a repeated kick in the nuts.

I guess the only upside is that, despite the best efforts of the Communist America-Hater in the White House, the job market seems to be picking up steam a bit, so hopefully it will be a short duration of unemployment.

85 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:02pm

I had an employer do something like that to me once. I thought it was hilarious how they begged everybody to come back because in less than a month, everything turned to shit.

86 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:02pm
87 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:36pm

CNN?

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:44pm

re: #49 Gus

Couldn’t resist using the pic for an update - credited you.

89 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:49pm

re: #76 Stanghazi

THANKS YOU LIZARDS. hate to create a pity party, but FUCK, I am in a place of shock.

I think everything will work out.

I’m so sorry. Losing a job can change your life. Right now..The world is before you with opportunities.
Best wishes!

90 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:04:57pm

re: #86 Gus

hadn’t realized she was still in. Or on. Can’t watch crazy anyway.

91 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:05:16pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Couldn’t resist using the pic for an update - credited you.

Cool. Thanks.

92 Varek Raith  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:05:34pm
93 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:06:15pm

re: #83 Kragar

Just read an Atlantic article about two GOPers wanting to take the CD-plan national because FREEDOM. Or something. Let’s see where this goes.

94 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:06:20pm

re: #86 Gus

Shock!
Not!

95 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:06:41pm

re: #91 Gus

Cool. Thanks.

A happy shwartz!!

96 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:06:41pm

re: #73 CuriousLurker

WTF? Suddenly I’m having issues viewing some YouTube videos here. It started the other day—they worked in one thread, but not the other. Now the one Chrles just posted won’t play, but jaunte’s plays fine.

Maybe logging out and clearing my cache will help…

Works every time. ZOMG, the scotties are soooo cute!

97 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:06:43pm

re: #94 b_sharp

Shock!
Not!

The nation mourns.

98 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:07:49pm

Some day people will ask, “where were you when Sarah Palin was cut from Fox News?”

99 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:08:00pm

re: #76 Stanghazi

THANKS YOU LIZARDS. hate to create a pity party, but FUCK, I am in a place of shock.

I think everything will work out.

Is it an attempt at union busting?

100 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:08:40pm

Via TPM, a picture of the Monopoly Man cosplaying as a Republican state rep.

101 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:09:45pm

re: #97 Gus

No worries. Surely Family Radio or Concerned Women or some other moneyed conservative media establishment/think tank will throw $$ at her.

102 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:10:23pm

re: #101 Bulworth

No worries. Surely Family Radio or Concerned Women or some other moneyed conservative media establishment/think tank will throw $$ at her.

CNN.

103 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:10:46pm

re: #98 Gus

Some day people will ask, “where were you when Sarah Palin was cut from Fox News?”

ANSWER

I was looking at a picture of the President with a fly on his face!

104 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:11:09pm

re: #83 Kragar

Interesting. It all depends on whether or not the GOP State legislatures actually have the nerve to do this

The VA plan was worse than most CD plans because it would give the at-large EVs (i.e., the two EVs that correspond to the VA Senators) to the party that won the largest number of congressional districts (which would be the GOP).

105 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:11:16pm

re: #86 Gus

“She remains focused on broadening her message of common-sense conservatism across the country and will be expanding her voice in the national discussion.”

I was wondering what that high pitched keening was.

106 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:11:20pm

re: #90 Bulworth

hadn’t realized she was still in. Or on. Can’t watch crazy anyway.

hal a fucking lulia. (however spelled)

Saw a vid of her at a gun show or something. MESS.

She has been, and continues to be a disgrace to women (with brains) that have to make their way in the world.

Cute idiot going places. yah.

107 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:12:45pm

re: #90 Bulworth

Sarah Palin out at Fox News.

Back to the Nation’s Attic.

108 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:12:58pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

Bummer. I haven’t been laid off (yet), but have had my hours cut back to 4 days a week. Thankfully, I have vacation time that I can use to make up for the lost hours.

109 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:13:14pm

re: #93 Bulworth

Just read an Atlantic article about two GOPers wanting to take the CD-plan national because FREEDOM. Or something. Let’s see where this goes.

The thing is, if the plan goes National it undermines what the GOP is trying to accomplish. It only works if they can cut votes in half in Democratic majority states while they keep all the votes in GOP majority states.

Fucking idiots.

110 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:13:24pm

re: #107 jaunte

Back to the Nation’s Attic.

Alaska, Canada’s appendix. //

111 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:13:26pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

ANSWER

I was looking at a picture of the President with a fly on his face!

Oh, gawd. Now my brain will forever associate that pic of POTUS with Sarah Palin.

112 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:13:45pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

Oh, gawd. Now my brain will forever associate that pic of POTUS with Sarah Palin.

You’re welcome

113 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:15:07pm

re: #89 HoosierHoops

Thanks Hoops. I just got it together. Now another challenge. But realistically my life would be pretty damn boring without this. Oh the days of wishing for a earthquake!

114 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:16:17pm

re: #98 Gus

Some day people will ask, “where were you when Sarah Palin was cut from Fox News?”

re: #103 sattv4u2

ANSWER

I was looking at a picture of the President with a fly on his face!

And sadly, there in a nutshell, we have the state of American Politics

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio!!

115 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:17:38pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

re: #103 sattv4u2

And sadly, there in a nutshell, we have the state of American Politics

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio!!

lol

116 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:17:41pm

ABOUT THAT OBAMA FLY…

117 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:17:48pm

re: #113 Stanghazi

Thanks Hoops. I just got it together. Now another challenge. But realistically my life would be pretty damn boring without this. Oh the days of wishing for a earthquake!

Well, you could always go through the Bottom Comments list and down-ding people. Might make you feel better for 5-10 minutes, heh.

118 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:18:03pm

re: #83 Kragar

Good.

119 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:18:21pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

ABOUT THAT OBAMA FLY…

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Oh dear.

120 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:18:33pm

Feds: ‘Ex-Marine’ with ‘right-wing’ manifesto built bombs for cocaine, hoarded assault weapons

A Colorado man, who said that he was an ex-Marine and claimed a “right-wing declaration of independence/constitutionalist political manifesto,” built improvised explosive devices (IEDs) to trade for cocaine and hoarded several military-style assault weapons that may have been converted to machine guns, the Department of Justice said on Thursday.

According to an affidavit, federal agents with the Bureau of Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) raided the home of Richard Lawrence Sandberg in Jefferson County on Thursday after he provided an undercover agent with homemade bombs.

After receiving a tip from a Denver Police Department detective, ATF Special Agent Shane Abraham contacted Sandberg and told him he needed an explosive device to protect a building. Sandberg, who claimed to be “former Special Ops Recon SS Marine Corps,” allegedly said that he was in possession of “incendiary” or “napalm” explosives, but the devices were wrong for the job. The suspect then recommended a “frag” — or fragmentation device — and suggested that he could provide something that was also waterproof.

“former Special Ops Recon SS Marine Corps”? How many fucking more tactical words could dipshit string together?


FALSE FLAG! CRISIS ACTOR! OBAMA PLANT!!!

121 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:18:41pm

re: #114 sattv4u2

re: #103 sattv4u2

And sadly, there in a nutshell, we have the state of American Politics

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio!!

Not sure where The Yankee Clipper went, but I do know where Tina Turner wound up!!

[Link: www.france24.com…]
Tina Turner ‘to become Swiss, give up US passport’

Proud Mary !!

122 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:19:09pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Oh no! I’m sorry for your bad news.

123 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:19:31pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

ABOUT THAT OBAMA FLY…

[Embedded content]

About SEVEN ANGELS

The theme of this channel is to honor those who have died under oppressors (REPTILIANS - JESUS CALLED THEM SNAKES AND SERPENTS) and those who continue the fight against evil forces (SATAN’S SERPENT BLOODLINE) running rampant on our Earth. LOOK AROUND YOU - ‘THEY LIVE’!

WE ARE IN A TIME OF GREAT ‘REVEALING’… THE EARTH AND ALL LIVING THINGS ARE UNDER ATTACK BY DARK FORCES - LIKE NEVER BEFORE!

REVELATION 11:18 - “THE NATIONS WERE ANGRY, BUT THE TIME FOR YOUR WRATH HAS COME. IT IS TIME FOR THE DEAD TO BE JUDGED - TO REWARD YOUR SERVANTS, THE PROPHETS, THE SAINTS, AND ALL WHO FEAR YOUR NAME, BOTH UNIMPORTANT AND IMPORTANT, AND TO DESTROY THOSE WHO DESTROY THE EARTH.”

GOD WILL RESTORE OUR EARTH ONE DAY.

THE PHOTOS: GENETIC SCIENTISTS BROUGHT BACK A WHITE ‘ICE AGE’ FLOWER. WHAT ELSE HAVE THEY BROUGHT BACK? THE PHOTO IN MY ICON SHOWS A SUNFLOWER WHICH HAS BEEN MUTATED FROM FUKUSHIMA RADIATION.

124 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:19:38pm

re: #119 Gus

Oh dear.

No deer.

Ass too high, runs too fast.

125 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:12pm

re: #124 Kragar

No deer.

Ass too high, runs too fast.

Damn deer flies.

126 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:24pm

“He actually talks to a fly.”

127 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:31pm

“He knew it was probably a very powerful demon…”

128 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:32pm

Tropical flow of air here, with rain, ahead of a cold front…. no flies though. I guess we should appreciate the rain. I also appreciate the lack of flies.

129 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:51pm

“This is at the top of Drudge Report raht now.”

130 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:20:58pm

re: #127 jaunte

“He knew it was probably a very powerful demon…”

That’s the only possible conclusion.

131 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:21:08pm
132 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:21:48pm

re: #116 Charles Johnson

ABOUT THAT OBAMA FLY…

[Embedded content]

Okay, I had to stop when I got to the part about the magician that had a visitation by a giant fly that glared at him…the crazy is…excuse me while I…*thud*

133 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:22:12pm

“I like to read the comments, you can really learn a lot.”

134 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:22:17pm

“Get out of here.”

Speaking to a demon. Literally.

135 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:22:21pm
136 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:22:43pm

The fly glared at him!!!

137 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:23:23pm

Lots of flies in Alaska. I’m just sayin.

138 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:23:56pm

Found that video at one of the links in Aaron Klein’s article.

139 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:24:00pm

Off topic… unless the flies also care about this… I notice several climate change “stories”, including press releases, lately that are really misleading, obfuscatory, or just plain confusing.

I suspect the President mentioning climate change in his last speech has set off the machinery of magic.

140 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:24:16pm

We laugh but these people are actually serious. That’s the scary part.

141 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:24:35pm

OMG he’s taking orders from the fly!!!!11!!!Tyy

142 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:25:50pm

So if Obama is a demon, how long before someone tries to wrestle him?

When Demon-Inspired Believers Lay Hands On You

physical assault gives a literal meaning to wrestling principalities and powers, rulers of the darkness of this age, and spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places (Eph. 6:12).

Indeed, when a demon physically attacks you through a believer, a wrestling match with the flesh and blood that’s hosting the foul spirit can ensue.

I’ve had several “wrestling matches” with people seeking deliverance and I’ve witnessed many more. Some of these precious people manifested with strength that far surpassed their human stature. On one occasion, a spirit of fear manifested so strongly through a 110-pound woman that it took five people—including two full-grown men—to restrain her while commanding the spirit to bow in the name of Jesus (Phil. 2:10).

Despite many years of participating in deliverance ministry, though, I’ve never experienced anything quite like what I’m about to share.

143 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:26:21pm

re: #41 Stanghazi

Hello LGF. Why are you seeing my name in the middle of the day?

Because today I was laid off. Our whole office. Carnage.

Just digesting it now. I’m trying to just enjoy my early Friday off. Oh, they want us back Monday - Thurs. I’m waiting for the email that that is a bad idea.

Oh hell, so sorry to hear that!!
(((Stanley)))

144 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:26:25pm

re: #123 Gus

About SEVEN ANGELS

Total whack job. Almost 4,000 subscribers at YouTube, more than 8M video views.

145 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:26:34pm

I never figured Obama as a servant of Nurgle. I thought Tzeentch for sure.

146 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:27:16pm

re: #41 Stanley Sea

That really stinks. Best of luck finding a better job.

147 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:29:16pm

Are we sure that fly isn’t actually Jeff Goldblum / Brundlefly?

148 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:29:38pm

re: #140 Gus

We laugh but these people are actually serious. That’s the scary part.

Tens of millions of people in this country believe in those things.

I wonder how many in positions of authority?

149 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:30:03pm

re: #147 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Are we sure that fly isn’t actually Jeff Goldblum / Brundlefly?

Positive

This fly showed some emotion and has stage chops!!
/

150 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:30:23pm

re: #139 freetoken

Off topic… unless the flies also care about this… I notice several climate change “stories”, including press releases, lately that are really misleading, obfuscatory, or just plain confusing.

I suspect the President mentioning climate change in his last speech has set off the machinery of magic.

Press releases about science are generally full of shit.

151 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:31:03pm

re: #148 freetoken

Tens of millions of people in this country believe in those things.

I wonder how many in positions of authority?

At least half of the Missouri House and Senate. :O

152 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:33:50pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

Total whack job. Almost 4,000 subscribers at YouTube, more than 8M video views.

(from the profile bio)

The theme of this channel is to honor those who have died under oppressors (REPTILIANS - JESUS CALLED THEM SNAKES AND SERPENTS) and those who continue the fight against evil forces (SATAN’S SERPENT BLOODLINE) running rampant on our Earth. LOOK ARO…

Uh oh

153 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:35:36pm
154 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:37:28pm

re: #148 freetoken

Tens of millions of people in this country believe in those things.

I wonder how many in positions of authority?

During the “Satanic Panic” of the 80s, there were several traveling church groups and ministers who would go around to the types of places where people are more likely to be receptive to their nonsense and give “seminars” to local law enforcement and Concerned Parents Groups on how to recognize evidence of satanic cults and how to identify their members (spoiler: always teenagers / young adults, and anything that vaguely resembled a heavy metal-oriented poster in their room was a sure sign that they were secretly part of an infanticidal Satanic cannibal sex cult).

Several of those idiots came through town, including my absolute favorites: Revs. Dan and Steve Peters. They had a few books they were hawking, one of which was “Why Knock Rock?” It purported to explain how almost every musical artist from the 50s onward was deeply involved in serious heavy-duty occult activity. If you can think of a recording artist, they had A Serious Problem with him/her/them. If you ever happen to find a copy of that book at a flea market or something, pick it up. It’s a hoot, although it seriously infuriated me at the time. People ate it up.

155 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:38:13pm

re: #153 Shvaughn

Back in 2009, Obama got in trouble with PETA because he killed a housefly.

,,,,,calling it an “execution,”
heh,, they sure as hell ain’t gonna like what I did to those fire ant hills in my yard

Gasoline
Lighter
REPEAT!

156 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:38:14pm

Results for Obama fly #TGDN

157 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:38:57pm

re: #154 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Barry Manilow is into Satan?

I can… believe it.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:39:31pm

re: #157 dragonath

Barry Manilow is into Satan?

I can… believe it.

ftfy

159 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:40:43pm

re: #157 dragonath

Barry Manilow is into Satan?

I can… believe it.

Is Barry Manilow a Tool of Satan?

This shocking video will answer all your questions!

160 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:40:45pm

My Goals:

Now remember, the goal is that these women have to be independent. The goal is lots and lots of birth control. The goal is lots and lots and lots of fornication. The goal is abortion. The day-after pill will help. And it will help a lot. Remember, the goal is to get that girl a job because she needs no stinkin’ husband, she’s got the fascist corporation and government-mandated insurance programs and socialist welfare that will take care of her womb to tomb. Who needs a cotton-pickin’ husband? Who needs a family? That’s pretty much the worldview that’s dominating, my friends. That’s what the college is all about.

Yes, I paged it and there is more for the Friday Humor Thread.

161 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:40:57pm

Freaking Telegraph. Figures.

162 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:41:24pm

re: #161 Gus

Freaking Telegraph. Figures.

People still send telegraphs!?!?
/

163 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:41:59pm

re: #154 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

During the “Satanic Panic” of the 80s, there were several traveling church groups and ministers who would go around to the types of places where people are more likely to be receptive to their nonsense and give “seminars” to local law enforcement and Concerned Parents Groups on how to recognize evidence of satanic cults and how to identify their members (spoiler: always teenagers / young adults, and anything that vaguely resembled a heavy metal-oriented poster in their room was a sure sign that they were secretly part of an infanticidal Satanic cannibal sex cult).

Several of those idiots came through town, including my absolute favorites: Revs. Dan and Steve Peters. They had a few books they were hawking, one of which was “Why Knock Rock?” It purported to explain how almost every musical artist from the 50s onward was deeply involved in serious heavy-duty occult activity. If you can think of a recording artist, they had A Serious Problem with him/her/them. If you ever happen to find a copy of that book at a flea market or something, pick it up. It’s a hoot, although it seriously infuriated me at the time. People ate it up.

In the Way Back Times, when I subscribed to Rolling Stones (when Hunter S was alive and contributing), there was an article about the Satanic Cult phenom. I remember it stated that the FBI stats showed NOT ONE instance of a crime involving a Satanic Cult.

164 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:42:09pm

re: #161 Gus

re: #162 sattv4u2

People still send telegraphs!?!?
/

I think I have one of these around if you need it

Image: telegraph1.jpg

165 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:42:13pm

Thanks all. So much!

166 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:42:43pm

re: #153 Shvaughn

Back in 2009, Obama got in trouble with PETA because he killed a housefly.

… which was obviously a false flag operation.

Or a black flag operation?

167 allegro  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:44:43pm

re: #113 Stanghazi

Thanks Hoops. I just got it together. Now another challenge. But realistically my life would be pretty damn boring without this. Oh the days of wishing for a earthquake!

Oh man, SS, that entirely blows. Here’s my recommendation:

1) Call friends and invite them over for a party at your place tonight. Tell them to bring food and booze.

2) In between your calls and their arrival, get online and apply for unemployment NOW.

3) Enjoy your friends, food, and booze. Your friends will support you, let you blow off steam and get righteously pissed off with you, and you’ll know they’re there for you.

168 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:45:51pm

Yeah, I might be changing my moniker to “narcissistic-bad-spelling-family destroying-whore”

What do you think?

169 BongCrodny  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:47:02pm

re: #86 Gus

Too dumb for Fox, perhaps?

How is that even possible?

170 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:47:02pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I might be changing my moniker to “narcissistic-bad-spelling-family destroying-whore”

What do you think?

That I’m in love!?!?
/

171 jaunte  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:47:28pm

Sen. Johnson Blasts WaPo For Awarding Him ‘Worst Week In Washington’

Sen. Ron Johnson: not just dumb, but thin-skinned.

172 Bubblehead II  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:48:17pm

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I might be changing my moniker to “narcissistic-bad-spelling-family destroying-whore”

What do you think?

Doesn’t your current NIC already imply that?

173 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:48:28pm
174 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:48:57pm
175 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:49:09pm

re: #153 Shvaughn

Back in 2009, Obama got in trouble with PETA because he killed a housefly.

Oh, FFS. I mean, really. Whadda buncha idjits.

176 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:49:27pm

Ron Paul would not approve:

Gold upstaged by equities

177 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:52:08pm

My dogs think they should be fed.

And some people would consider me narcissistic …

178 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:52:46pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

You want to marry your cousin?

So in 6 states not only can you marry your 1st cousin, but they can be of the same sex!!

179 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:53:39pm

re: #176 freetoken

Another Obamummer-Benghazi fiat money plot. /

180 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:54:00pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

So in 6 states not only can you marry 1st your cousin, but they can be of the same sex!!

No, that would be 4 states. IA and NH does not allow first cousin marriage.

181 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:54:17pm

These poor poor people!

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

Google Earth exposes North Korea’s secret prison camps

182 Bulworth  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:54:21pm

re: #171 jaunte

A bad combination.

“Son, fat and stupid is no way to go through life.”

183 sattv4u2  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:54:39pm

re: #180 freetoken

No, that would be 4 states. IA and NH does not allow first cousin marriage.

Ah,, thanks. Looked too quickly

184 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 2:58:54pm

re: #166 Shvaughn

… which was obviously a false flag operation.

Or a black flag operation?

You rang?
Image: 1.jpg

185 allegro  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:02:55pm

re: #174 FemNaziBitch

You want to marry your cousin?

Reminds me of a funny family story. Many years ago my aunt (or should say my uncle’s wife) created a serious family furor at a family reunion by saying that she hoped her son and I were let’s say, hooking up, when we disappeared for a few hours together (we were both in our 20s and we were very good buddies). I mean, all hell broke loose with family expressing horror at the suggestion of first cousins getting romantic. The thing is, there was no blood relationship since my cousin was a cousin by adoption (her son who my uncle adopted). Those who were horrified never did get the difference.

186 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:03:04pm

re: #151 Gus

At least half of the Missouri House and Senate. :O

How about Bobby ‘The Exorcist” Jindal?

187 Decatur Deb  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:05:05pm

re: #163 FemNaziBitch

In the Way Back Times, when I subscribed to Rolling Stones (when Hunter S was alive and contributing), there was an article about the Satanic Cult phenom. I remember it stated that the FBI stats showed NOT ONE instance of a crime involving a Satanic Cult.

Remember that—it was “No Satanic Murders”. By now a few deluded kids have broken that stat.

188 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:06:05pm

re: #183 sattv4u2

Ah,, thanks. Looked too quickly

Now you know!

189 stabby  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:08:45pm

re: #185 allegro

Liberals are evil people who think that rules are supposed to have reasons.

190 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:09:10pm

re: #109 Kragar

The thing is, if the plan goes National it undermines what the GOP is trying to accomplish. It only works if they can cut votes in half in Democratic majority states while the keep all the voted in GOP majority states.

Fucking idiots.

Actually, if the GOP were to propose to do this nationwide, it would be a superficially fair proposal (all states treated equally) that would still have resulted in a GOP victory in 2012.

With EVs going by congressional district, the House and the presidency would pretty much always go the same way.

Thus, this nationwide idea is more dangerous than the nakedly opportunistic business of splitting the EVs only in GOP-run blue and swing states.

191 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:09:50pm

Judge Dredd may be gay, writers hint

Uh oh, there goes the last person right wingers could look up to.

192 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:10:04pm

It’s Friday. A client just sent me three new projects he wants translated, including a 171 page government guide. We charge by the word.

This is me right now:

:D

193 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:13:04pm

re: #167 allegro

Oh man, SS, that entirely blows. Here’s my recommendation:

1) Call friends and invite them over for a party at your place tonight. Tell them to bring food and booze.

2) In between your calls and their arrival, get online and apply for unemployment NOW.

3) Enjoy your friends, food, and booze. Your friends will support you, lp et you blow off steam and get righteously pissed off with you, and you’ll know they’re there for you.

You are so right. Well progress so far….I’m gonna be alone tonight. I’ve talked to more people in one day than I have in months. Word is out. I’m older so my experience matrix is great. We’ll see if the older fucks me up.

Working on an old craigslist post about QUICKBOOKS, YOU NEED IT NOW! 1099’S DUE ON THURSDAY posting.

::::::))))))) To all of you that responded, I needed it, and thanks.

194 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:15:09pm

Well I guess this is the reql deal, a separation of powers fight courtesy the GOP

Washington (CNN) - President Obama’s recess appointments to a federal agency– made without Senate confirmation– have been struck down by a federal appeals court as an unconstitutional use of executive power.

The three-judge panel unanimously concluded Friday three people named to the National Labor Relations Board lacked authority, because the presidential appointments were made while the Senate was technically in a “pro forma” session during the winter holiday break.

The case sets up a potential high-stakes Supreme Court fight between the executive and legislative branches.

Republican and Democratic lawmakers in the past have used the “virtual Congress” tactic to block unilateral appointments by the President when the Senate is away.

195 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:16:53pm

re: #194 Political Atheist

Well I guess this is the rel deal, a separation of powers fight courtesy the GOP
Washington (CNN) - President Obama’s recess appointments to a federal agency- made without Senate confirmation- have been struck down by a federal appeals court as an unconstitutional use of executive power.

The three-judge panel unanimously concluded Friday three people named to the National Labor Relations Board lacked authority, because the presidential appointments were made while the Senate was technically in a “pro forma” session during the winter holiday break.

The case sets up a potential high-stakes Supreme Court fight between the executive and legislative branches.

Republican and Democratic lawmakers in the past have used the “virtual Congress” tactic to block unilateral appointments by the President when the Senate is away.

Just heard about this from Hubby. The Drama never ends. . .

196 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:16:58pm

re: #190 EPR-radar

With EVs going by congressional district, the House and the presidency would pretty much always go the same way.

It’s also a breakdown of heretofore unbroken political barriers. It’s bad enough Citizens United allows PACs of a national stature to spend money in local races.

197 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:18:26pm

re: #171 jaunte

Sen. Johnson Blasts WaPo For Awarding Him ‘Worst Week In Washington’

Sen. Ron Johnson: not just dumb, but thin-skinned.

How many fallacies can you guys find in Johnson’s two paragraphs of I-such-a-victim outrageous outrage?

“The Washington Post – the poster child of Washington status quo - said I had the ‘Worst Week in Washington,’” said Johnson in a statement. “Benghazi was a failure of leadership by Secretary Clinton: before, during and after the terrorist attack. I dared to actually demand that Secretary Clinton explain why she refused to debrief her own staff and then provide truthful information to the American people.

Johnson continued: “In Washington, demanding the truth is apparently a sin. Every week that Washington leadership continues to sweep its dirt under the carpet, ignore America’s economic plight and turn a blind eye to its own out of control spending is a bad week for me, the people of Wisconsin and every American.”

198 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:18:59pm

re: #194 Political Atheist

When I came across that I had wondered if the wingnuts will ride it or if the GOP will try to bury the whole story, because if it becomes too well known then so will be the Senate GOP’s plan to derail the Obama administration.

Too much light and the cockroaches become skittish.

199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:19:03pm

Kansas’ Governor and G.O.P. Seek to End Income Tax

President Obama stood on the steps of the Capitol in Washington on Monday afternoon and laid out an expansive liberal agenda for the nation. Inside the Kansas State Capitol here this week, Gov. Sam Brownback and Republican legislators have been drafting what could be a blueprint for the other side.

On Wednesday, lawmakers received a bill to inch the state closer to eliminating income taxes, a centerpiece of a broad legislative vision that many in the Republican Party here hope will serve as a model of conservative governance for other states, if not the nation, to follow.

While Republican principles of small government and low taxes have holds on large swaths of the country, Kansas provides perhaps the starkest view of the crimson ideology that could challenge Mr. Obama’s Inauguration Day rallying cry.

200 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:20:02pm

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

Kansas’ Governor and G.O.P. Seek to End Income Tax

And what is their solution for eliminating the income tax? Sales taxes?

201 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:22:01pm

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

Well, Koch Industries is headquartered in Wichita. Now, we wouldn’t want those good folks having to give up some of their money, would we?

202 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:22:50pm
203 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:25:22pm

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

Kansas’ Governor and G.O.P. Seek to End Income Tax

i allus wanted to bring back th’ tariffs

204 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:25:41pm

re: #196 dragonath

It’s also a further breakdown of heretofore unbroken political barriers. It’s bad enough Citizens United allows PACs of a national stature to spend money in local races.

There’s really nothing sacred about winner take all in statewide votes for presidential electors. In fact, having citizens directly vote for president is optional.

[Link: www.fairvote.org…]

E.g., in 1876, CO was the last state to have its electors chosen by the state legislature.

205 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:26:02pm

Kansas ranked 29 in iVillage’s report on the Best and Worst States for Women.

I have a feeling it is going to drop.

206 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:26:31pm

re: #200 Lidane

And what is their solution for eliminating the income tax? Sales taxes?

Probably forcing the Federal Government to pick-up the tab for any necessary expenditures.

207 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:26:59pm

re: #200 Lidane

And what is their solution for eliminating the income tax? Sales taxes?

bitching and moaning

208 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:27:22pm

re: #206 FemNaziBitch

Probably forcing the Federal Government to pick-up the tab for any necessary expenditures.

All while calling themselves patriots and patting themselves on the back for slashing gubmint.

Morons.

209 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:27:50pm

Why is the United States paying for its ally’s adventures in Africa?

For years, Republicans and Democrats alike have asked our allies (particularly those in NATO) to shoulder more of the cost for providing security in our interconnected world. To their credit, many allies — including the French, Germans, British, Italians, Canadians, Australians, and Poles — maintain robust ground forces and have provided significant numbers of troops in Afghanistan. However, these same countries have largely refrained from the types of long-term investment in their defense capabilities necessary to secure their interests (and ours) in places like Mali, Libya, or Syria. And, for better or worse, the United States enables this behavior by continuing to backstop these missions, whether with precision-guided munitions for the Libya campaign, or strategic airlift for the Mali offensive.
….
At some point the United States must force this issue with its allies, lest we create a moral hazard by allowing France and other friends to construct a foreign policy that’s built on a foundation of U.S. military capability and funded by U.S. taxpayers. We need a new business model for NATO, one in which our allies share their security burdens more smartly, with greater complementarity and collaboration between allies than we have today. To date our allies have resisted this model, largely because they think it will diminish their sovereignty. This must change, and only a “tough love” policy, such as the one being pushed by the White House on France now, will incentivize our allies to shoulder their share of the task, whether in Mali or the next place where we act in the world.

210 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:29:12pm

The following paper published in Science today:

Can We Name Earth’s Species Before They Go Extinct?

Some people despair that most species will go extinct before they are discovered. However, such worries result from overestimates of how many species may exist, beliefs that the expertise to describe species is decreasing, and alarmist estimates of extinction rates. We argue that the number of species on Earth today is 5 ± 3 million, of which 1.5 million are named. New databases show that there are more taxonomists describing species than ever before, and their number is increasing faster than the rate of species description. Conservation efforts and species survival in secondary habitats are at least delaying extinctions. Extinction rates are, however, poorly quantified, ranging from 0.01 to 1% (at most 5%) per decade. We propose practical actions to improve taxonomic productivity and associated understanding and conservation of biodiversity.

Has gotten all sorts of media stories written on it, with headlines that do their best to raise controversy, e.g.:
Study slams ‘alarmist’ species extinction fears

The real problem wrt biology is “what is a species” and how do we know?

Listen to one of the participants, starts at 10:45 in today’s Science podcast:

Listen to the broadcast, then compare to what the headline I copied above implies.

211 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:29:20pm

The referrers page tells me that the administrator of RevelationNow.net is aware of this post.

212 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:31:44pm
213 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:31:45pm

From the “No Shit. Really?” files:

214 Kragar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:33:38pm

Erik Rush: Obama Emulating Stalin to Pursue his ‘Totalitarian End Game’

Conservative writer Erik Rush writes today that President Obama’s press conference on gun violence was actually a way to distract the public so he could confiscate guns, provoke “civil unrest,” and train the military to kill U.S. citizens in order to justify “his move of declaring martial law” and to pursue his “totalitarian end game.” He claims Obama wants to copy “Mao, Lenin , Stalin and Castro – men who murdered hundreds of millions in their ascent to total dominion over their respective nations,” and establish a dictatorship.

Except for holding and winning popular elections, failing to round up his opponents and undesirables and placing them in death camps and not doing countless other things conservatives say they would do to liberals if they were running thing, Obama is just like every other totalitarian dictator.

215 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:34:14pm

re: #204 EPR-radar

Yeah, I knew about South Carolina too. It says a lot that most states figured out that deciding elections via arbitrary statewide boundaries were a bad idea way back in 1824.

216 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:36:25pm

re: #211 Charles Johnson

The referrers page tells me that the administrator of RevelationNow.net is aware of this post.

Getting malicious URL blocks with Kaspersky AV over at that site:

buttons.js Blocked: widgets.givealink.com/buttons.js (analysis using the database of malicious URLs) 1/25/2013 4:34:16 PM widgets.givealink.com/

217 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:36:55pm

re: #194 Political Atheist

Well I guess this is the reql deal, a separation of powers fight courtesy the GOP

The result of this ruling, assuming the Supreme’s don’t strike it down, will be worse than simply Obama’s appointees being ruled invalid. The Judiciary has basically just overturned over a century’s worth of practice with regards to recess appointments. Any actions taken by past appointees which are still valid today could be challenged in court as the result of an unconstitutional appointment.

218 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:39:43pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

The result of this ruling, assuming the Supreme’s don’t strike it down, will be worse than simply Obama’s appointees being ruled invalid. The Judiciary has basically just overturned over a century’s worth of practice with regards to recess appointments. Any actions taken by past appointees which are still valid today could be challenged in court as the result of an unconstitutional appointment.

And activist judges are supposedly a liberal problem. Feh. I’ve seen a lot of conservative activism from the judiciary lately. Whatever it takes to advance the RW cause of the day.

I’m still surprised that health care reform didn’t get struck down at the Supreme Court on a party line vote.

219 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:40:31pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

The result of this ruling, assuming the Supreme’s don’t strike it down, will be worse than simply Obama’s appointees being ruled invalid. The Judiciary has basically just overturned over a century’s worth of practice with regards to recess appointments.

wiki:

Presidents since George Washington have made recess appointments. Washington appointed South Carolina judge John Rutledge as Chief Justice of the United States during a congressional recess in 1795.

According to the Congressional Research Service, President Bill Clinton made 139 recess appointments. President George W. Bush made 171 recess appointments, and as of January 5, 2012, President Barack Obama had made 32 recess appointments.

220 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:40:37pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

The Judiciary has basically just overturned over a century’s worth of practice with regards to recess appointments. Any actions taken by past appointees which are still valid today could be challenged in court as the result of an unconstitutional appointment.

We ended gubmint tyranny! Hooray!

At least until the next GOP president gets elected and they realize what a dumb fucking decision this was.

221 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:40:49pm

Also in today’s Science is an article about the creeping creationism in Turkey:

Turkish Science Agency’s Book Selections Prompt Questions

222 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:41:22pm

re: #218 EPR-radar

And activist judges are supposedly a liberal problem. Feh. I’ve seen a lot of conservative activism from the judiciary lately. Whatever it takes to advance the RW cause of the day.

I’m still surprised that health care reform didn’t get struck down at the Supreme Court on a party line vote.

We have Robert’s conscience to thank for that. He was ready to strike down the individual mandate, but the Scalia faction wanted to kill the entire law dead. Roberts disagreed with that, so he finagled a last-minute saving throw.

223 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:43:17pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

Why is the United States paying for its ally’s adventures in Africa?

That’s pretty much a bullshit argument. Moral hazard is created by bailing my drunk half brother out of jail when he’s clearly guilty of the DUI that got him there. Backing allies in their advancement of our own preferred foreign policy is win win, it uses them as a force multiplier, gets them to take on the bulk of the risk while simultaneously sharing blame and spreading out any blowback.

224 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:43:26pm

Interesting.

Council Meeting in the Oak Harbor, Washington regarding CCW

going around fb

I rather enjoyed watching the attorney ad lib his way thru the questions he was asked.

225 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:44:02pm

re: #220 Lidane

At least until the next GOP president gets elected and they realize what a dumb fucking decision this was.

Ayep, because the Judiciary didn’t just say “Congress can fuck around with when it considers itself in recess,” it also said that the only positions that can be filled are those that open during the recess. So the minority party can simply keep any position it wants vacant for an entire presidential term, so long as it holds proforma sessions.

226 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:46:25pm

It’s funny how Obama has issued less pardons, made less recess appointments, and taken less vacation days than Bush but he is, literally, compared to Satan.

Hmm, I wonder why //

227 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:47:52pm
228 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:48:04pm

seems there is an update to the Marry Your Cousin Map.

229 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:50:46pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

I’ve always wanted to visit “Main”

230 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:51:25pm

re: #229 dragonath

I’ve always wanted to visit “Main”

Remember the Main! //

231 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:53:09pm

re: #216 Gus

Imagine my shock. I replaced the link with a Google cache link to be on the safe side.

232 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:54:08pm
233 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:54:18pm

re: #228 FemNaziBitch

seems there is an update to the Marry Your Cousin Map.

i wouldn’t mind marrying my cousin’s wife

but there seem to be obstacles to that

234 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:54:24pm

Please find the Obama quote when he went & talked directly to the Repubs at their summit. During healthcare debates.

when he said paraphrase “you make me so much worst than I actually am, you are painting yourselves into a corner:

meep meep

235 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:54:37pm

re: #231 Charles Johnson

Imagine my shock. I replaced the link with a Google cache link to be on the safe side.

Yep. Was going to make that suggestion. Other pages require a special certificate.

236 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:55:14pm

On my creationism (actually, “Adam and Eve”) watch I check out Peter Enns’ blog, now long known for being a rebel against enforced orthodoxy in Evangelicalism, who in today’s post The Deeper Scandal of the Evangelical Mind: We Are Not Allowed to Use It makes this terse and very precise comment:

The real scandal of the Evangelical mind is that we are not allowed to use it.

That one sentence pretty much sums up the entire mess that evangelicalism has wrought in American polity these past 40 years or so.

One of his commenters writes:

ScottnJxn says:
January 25, 2013 at 12:24 pm

Growing up gay in the Southern Baptist religion in Mississippi, I saw and continue to see first hand what happens when folks approach life and faith from a place of fear – it absolutely leads to psychopathology and maladaptation. Everything is a war against them, paranoia runs deep and wide, and victimhood is always conveniently close by after they feign outrage or deliberately persecute. Their ability to absolve themselves from any and all wrongdoing fascinates and infuriates me. What they have done and continue to do to my lgbt brothers and sisters is conduct unbecoming a true follower of Christ and it breaks my heart. There is no turning back for these folks – the evangelical mind has atrophied and in my opinion, it is incapable of evolution or recovery.

237 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:55:36pm
238 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:55:39pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Cathrynn Brown Hastily Revises Her Awful Bill

the gop is already awful enough without requiring legislation for it

239 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:56:54pm
240 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:57:51pm

Gallup Poll. Jan. 24, 2013. N=513 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 6.

“Next, suppose that on Election Day you could vote on key issues as well as candidates. Would you vote for or against a law that would allow women to serve in combat?”

women have been serving in combat ever since the first marriage

241 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:57:53pm

re: #224 FemNaziBitch

Interesting.

Council Meeting in the Oak Harbor, Washington regarding CCW

going around fb

I rather enjoyed watching the attorney ad lib his way thru the questions he was asked.

Interesting to see a city attorney actually acknowledge the state pre emption, usualyy cities walk all over it and fight in court. LA must have a couple dozen ordinances subject to that kind of legal argument.

242 Lidane  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 3:59:33pm

re: #239 Gus

OBUMMER GETS EXPOSED AS SATAN RIGHT AROUND THE TIME AUSCHWITZ WAS BUILT!

PROOF THAT HE’S SATAN AND HITLER! ELEVENTY!

////

243 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:00:28pm

re: #239 Gus

well, what a motherfucking awful anniversary today is.

peace

244 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:01:54pm

re: #242 Lidane

Today in Russian History:

The Council for Mutual Economic Assistance (Comecon)
was formally established as an alternative to the Marshall Plan
64 years ago today…January 25, 1949.

OMG STALIN TOO

245 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:02:25pm

re: #232 wrenchwench

Why am I not surprised? I’d heard earlier today that she’d “revised” the bill so now, instead of the victim, she wants to prosecute the doctor performing the abortion.

Yegods, when are these nutters going to learn that The Handmaid’s Tale was a work of fiction, not a prophecy?

246 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:02:25pm

re: #243 Stanghazi

well, what a motherfucking awful anniversary today is.

peace

My 2013 Lalo Alcaraz Good Luck Cartoon Calendar says it’s Squirrel Appreciation Day.

:)

247 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:04:10pm

On a lighter note…

58 minutes.

248 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:05:08pm

re: #236 freetoken

On my creationism (actually, “Adam and Eve”) watch I check out Peter Enns’ blog, now long known for being a rebel against enforced orthodoxy in Evangelicalism, who in today’s post The Deeper Scandal of the Evangelical Mind: We Are Not Allowed to Use It makes this terse and very precise comment:

That one sentence pretty much sums up the entire mess that evangelicalism has wrought in American polity these past 40 years or so.

One of his commenters writes:

The link from your post is worth reading as well.

249 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:05:36pm

re: #240 engineer cat

Gallup Poll. Jan. 24, 2013. N=513 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 6.

“Next, suppose that on Election Day you could vote on key issues as well as candidates. Would you vote for or against a law that would allow women to serve in combat?”

women have been serving in combat ever since the first marriage

{{{{{{engineer cat}}}}}}}}

250 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:07:30pm

re: #241 Political Atheist

Interesting to see a city attorney actually acknowledge the state pre emption, usualyy cities walk all over it and fight in court. LA must have a couple dozen ordinances subject to that kind of legal argument.

The council member that left seems kind of a petulant chickenshit. It’s not like the guy with the CCW was engaging in any inflammatory rhetoric or threatening behavior, and police are always present during such meetings.

Basically, the Supremes have ruled that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, the same Court that ruled the Affordable Care Act constitutional. Either we live under a rule of law and both sides accept these kinds of judgement calls no matter which side of them we’re on, or we all just admit to being partisan hacks.

251 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:08:09pm

Hmm. Both David Brooks and Mark Shields basically say that Clinton made the GOP Senators look like a bunch of children. And then have to immediately turn around and say that while she was an effective SoS, she really did not clearly impose any sort of strategy in foreign policy that was “hers”.

I wasn’t aware that being a good SoS required having some sort of signature effect as well.

Enough foreign policy and politics for the day. Time to sit with the cats and watch ice hockey.

Oh, and the commuter panic in Philly is still going on. Snow still failing, sticking to the streets, and cars are still backed up all over. Going out tomorrow for various items might be delayed depending on how messy things are.

252 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:10:07pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Both David Brooks and Mark Shields basically say that Clinton made the GOP Senators look like a bunch of children. And then have to immediately turn around and say that while she was an effective SoS, she really did not clearly impose any sort of strategy in foreign policy that was “hers”.

I wasn’t aware that being a good SoS required having some sort of signature effect as well.

Enough foreign policy and politics for the day. Time to sit with the cats and watch ice hockey.

Oh, and the commuter panic in Philly is still going on. Snow still failing, sticking to the streets, and cars are still backed up all over. Going out tomorrow for various items might be delayed depending on how messy things are.

As I understand it, she outranks them as SoS. I don’t think any of them are in the top 5 or 10 line-up for the Oval Office.

That just makes them seeth

253 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:15:41pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

Why am I not surprised? I’d heard earlier today that she’d “revised” the bill so now, instead of the victim, she wants to prosecute the doctor performing the abortion.

Yegods, when are these nutters going to learn that The Handmaid’s Tale was a work of fiction, not a prophecy?

She doesn’t specifically mention the doctor, but it says

Tampering with evidence consists of destroying,
changing, hiding, placing or fabricating any physical evidence
with intent to prevent the apprehension, prosecution or
conviction of any person or to throw suspicion of the
commission of a crime upon another.

which has to make a doctor rather reluctant to get involved if there’s even a chance that rape or incest was involved.

254 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:16:34pm

re: #251 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm. Both David Brooks and Mark Shields basically say that Clinton made the GOP Senators look like a bunch of children. And then have to immediately turn around and say that while she was an effective SoS, she really did not clearly impose any sort of strategy in foreign policy that was “hers”.

Reminds me of this story that someone linked to earlier today, a good example of conservative thinking:

Fox News military analyst Lt. Col. Ralph Peters (ret.) — who has certainly not been known for his affection for progressives and liberalism — praised Clinton’s performance. “I came away with deeper respect for Hillary Clinton’s bureaucratic lawyerly brilliance,” Peters said. “I mean she was just tough and good and the Republicans looked like weenies:”

Yeah, that’s right. All of it due to her “bureaucratic lawyerly brilliance” meaning that the Republicans were right all along and she’s a big meanie who knows how to use words.

255 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:16:46pm

re: #247 Gus

On a lighter note…

58 minutes.

God I love him.. I think it was years ago I heard birds of fire. And it changed my whole outlook on music.
I know Charles for a fact listened to John and it opened up scales never heard before.
Fusion and jazz exploded with inspiration. .Sure Charles may deny he was influenced by John but we know that isn’t true.
*wink*

256 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:19:43pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

The council member that left seems kind of a petulant chickenshit. It’s not like the guy with the CCW was engaging in any inflammatory rhetoric or threatening behavior, and police are always present during such meetings.

Basically, the Supremes have ruled that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, the same Court that ruled the Affordable Care Act constitutional. Either we live under a rule of law and both sides accept these kinds of judgement calls no matter which side of them we’re on, or we all just admit to being partisan hacks.

Yeah, I didn’t get his behavior. If he thinks he is any safer by leaving a room with a CCW in just because he knows about it? I’d venture to say that in WA state, he is constantly surrounded by CCW and has no clue.

Ignorance makes you safer?

257 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:20:00pm

re: #255 HoosierHoops

God I love him.. I think it was years ago I heard birds of fire. And it changed my whole outlook on music.
I know Charles for a fact listened to John and it opened up scales never heard before.
Fusion and jazz exploded with inspiration. .Sure Charles may deny he was influenced by John but we that isn’t true.
*wink*

It changed my outlook that was for sure. This was the album.

Image: Love_Devotion_Surrender.jpg

258 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:25:02pm

Seems this is the night to take down the Xmas Tree.

259 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:25:28pm

re: #246 wrenchwench

My 2013 Lalo Alcaraz Good Luck Cartoon Calendar says it’s Squirrel Appreciation Day.

:)

YES!

260 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:25:33pm

re: #85 dragonath

I had an employer do something like that to me once. I thought it was hilarious how they begged everybody to come back because in less than a month, everything turned to shit.

I had one that moved over the weekend, and neglected to tell me or anybody else in the office about it.

262 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:28:07pm

re: #257 Gus

It changed my outlook that was for sure. This was the album.

Image: Love_Devotion_Surrender.jpg

I love fusion but I’ve never been able to translate it to the songs I played as a kid. I’m still old fashion and those that have received my CD’s can relate to it. I’m old school that would love to be new school.. We dream.

263 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:28:49pm

Hmmm….

As some of you might remember, last week I brought up TFN’s latest report about Bible studies in Texas schools - and I think one or two Pages were posted by others, linking to a few blogs - and it sort of bothers me that this story has not caught on more widely in the American media.

Not that I expect much out of corporate media, but I did think the TFN report would have gotten a little bit more attention, outside of the creationist/evolution culture war blogs.

Anyway, one blogger, who writes on occasion in some big name outlets, Adam Laats, has put down some thoughts:

Teaching the Bible, Texas Style

Laats himself is not a creationist, at least in the Ken Ham style, but I’ve got to wonder if not unlike so many media writers on other topics (especially climate change, or any other sufficiently esoteric subject) the real goal is simply pushing the peanut, as the phrase goes.

Consider what Laats writes:

[…] As [TFN] points out, these doctrines are intensely sectarian. They teach a specific interpretation of the Bible as eternally true. Students in these public school classes would be told that the doctrines of conservative evangelical Protestantism are the correct and only interpretation of the Bible.

Are we shocked?

We shouldn’t be.

Here’s why not:

First of all, the numbers of schools and students involved is very small. […]

Second, the practice of teaching sectarian religion in public-school Bible classes has a long and surprisingly uncontroversial history. As I explored in my 1920s book, while public attention was focused on anti-evolution laws, between 1919 and 1931 eleven states quietly passed mandatory Bible-reading laws for public schools.

Finally, even after the anti-Bible SCOTUS ruling in 1963, many public schools simply continued the practice. As political scientists Kenneth Dolbeare and Philip Hammond found in their survey of schools in a Midwestern state, the Supreme Court rulings against public-school Bible reading made absolutely no difference in school practice. Where students had read the Bible before, they continued to do so, without raising any controversy.

So Professor Chancey’s findings that a few students in a few public schools in Texas learn a sectarian interpretation of the Bible should come as no surprise. […] Moreover, as political scientists Michael Berkman and Eric Plutzer have convincingly argued, public school teachers usually teach ideas that are locally uncontroversial. In some places, that means teaching creationism as science. In others, it means teaching the Bible as history.

On the whole I find Laats’ acquiescence disquieting (and read his CoHE article for more). In the comments he demonstrates that even if he is not a YEC he is under the influence of some serious misunderstandings about the Bible:

[…] I personally believe that the Bible is often historically accurate. To pick just one example (I opened up my Scofield at random), the nativity story told in Luke 2:1 bases the story on Caesar Augustus’ tax policy. Seems like a reasonable part of both Biblical and non-Biblical history to me. […]

Frankly, the nativity portion of Luke has long been a problem for Synoptic Gospel studies because it is in direct conflict with the story in Matthew - and thus at least one of them is wrong. That Laats picked one of the most controversial parts of the gospels as “history” tells me something.

Maybe I’ll need to turn this into a Page… there’s too much to write…

264 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:30:53pm

It’s still raining… so I doubt I’ll make it to the gym (I walk most of the way)… perhaps it is a good day to make a Page.

265 Gus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:32:38pm

re: #262 HoosierHoops

I love fusion but I’ve never been able to translate it to the songs I played as a kid. I’m still old fashion and those that have received my CD’s can relate to it. I’m old school that would love to be new school.. We dream.

I like music as long as it’s good music — to my ears. From A to Z.

266 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:36:55pm

Obama to discuss immigration reform Tuesday

Cue the racism in the comments

267 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:38:27pm

re: #266 dragonath

I see he’s out to annihilate the GOP, again.

268 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:39:19pm

re: #266 dragonath

That will keep things exciting. Immigration reform is an issue that causes internal trouble for both Democrats and Republicans

269 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:44:10pm

re: #265 Gus

I like music as long as it’s good music — to my ears. From A to Z.

I love music..I mess with it but never have been that good.
I was working on a song called I’m over the edge, A little stupid project on Youtube for a Tuesday..
Charles updinged it! I was in heaven.. Thrilled to say the least, and to get a ding From someone who really knows music was awesome.

270 Stanley Sea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:47:41pm

re: #258 FemNaziBitch

Seems this is the night to take down the Xmas Tree.

l o l

271 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:48:06pm

re: #263 freetoken

Maybe I’ll need to turn this into a Page… there’s too much to write…

Yes please.

272 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:49:08pm

re: #270 Stanghazi

l o l

Ornaments are in their safety boxes and accutrements are removed from around the house. Now, I watching the lights come off the tree.

273 labman57  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:49:42pm

Conservatives who admire and respect the delusional diatribes posted by the vacuous minds at WND are either in denial or are simply cowards, and they cannot bring themselves to publicly admit their racist hatred of Obama, so they mask their malice by referring to him as an elitist, or socialist, or communist, or fascist, or foreign-born Muslim, or even the anti-Christ.

274 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:49:43pm

re: #256 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, I didn’t get his behavior. If he thinks he is any safer by leaving a room with a CCW in just because he knows about it? I’d venture to say that in WA state, he is constantly surrounded by CCW and has no clue.

Ignorance makes you safer?

Something to keep in mind is that the Council might have a by-law in place forbidding the carrying of weapons, etc. in their meetings.

I know my fraternity had such a by-law regarding the fraternity house; banning guns, drugs, etc. to be brought into or stored in the house. There was an alumni officer attending grad school who did CCW due to where he was living at the time. He probably was violating the rule on numerous occasions (and definitely at least once since I asked him before a meeting once if he was carrying at the time), but since he wasn’t an asshole about it no one ever brought it up.

275 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:52:25pm

Ah, Yahoo comments:

All you progressive like the idea of communist Cuba, banana republic Nicaragua why the #$%$ don’t you move your stupid slave #$%$ down there instead of #$%$ up this country with you #$%$ illegal swarm you support.

Obama is going to use Mexicans as a form of biological warfare on American citizens.

It seems pretty clear that this racist subhuman parasite is pretty bent on totally destroying the country.

STOP MEXICAN ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. STOP BLACKS MURDERING AND RAPING/ REVOLVING PRISON TERMS. STOP IMPORTING MUSLIMS…I #$%$ you not, people are about to show you who is in charge, and it ain’t you Obama.

QUESTION to POSTERS: After America Collapses …. Should Obama be put on Trial ?

All upvoted of course. I think the “Angry White Man” rebranding is running into some snags.

276 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:52:37pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Basically, the Supremes have ruled that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, the same Court that ruled the Affordable Care Act constitutional. Either we live under a rule of law and both sides accept these kinds of judgement calls no matter which side of them we’re on, or we all just admit to being partisan hacks.

This3

277 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:55:00pm

Here’s another story that came out yesterday, got scant notice, and while it might not be the revelatory big bang The Independent had hoped for, one would think it would have drawn a few more notices:

Exclusive: Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science

A secretive funding organisation in the United States that guarantees anonymity for its billionaire donors has emerged as a major operator in the climate “counter movement” to undermine the science of global warming, The Independent has learnt.

The Donors Trust, along with its sister group Donors Capital Fund, based in Alexandria, Virginia, is funnelling millions of dollars into the effort to cast doubt on climate change without revealing the identities of its wealthy backers or that they have links to the fossil fuel industry.

However, an audit trail reveals that Donors is being indirectly supported by the American billionaire Charles Koch who, with his brother David, jointly owns a majority stake in Koch Industries, a large oil, gas and chemicals conglomerate based in Kansas.

Millions of dollars has been paid to Donors through a third-party organisation, called the Knowledge and Progress Fund, with is operated by the Koch family but does not advertise its Koch connections.

[…]

The Knowledge and Progress Fund, whose directors include Charles Koch and his wife Liz, gave $1.25m to Donors in 2007, a further $1.25m in 2008 and $2m in 2010. It does not appear to have given money to any other group and there is no mention of the fund on the websites of Koch Industries or the Charles Koch Foundation.

[…]

Robert Brulle, a sociologist at Drexel University in Philadelphia, has estimated that over the past decade about $500m has been given to organisations devoted to undermining the science of climate change, with much of the money donated anonymously through third parties.

The trust has given money to the Competitive Enterprise Institute which is currently being sued for defamation by Professor Michael Mann of Pennsylvania University, an eminent climatologist, whose affidavit claims that he was accused of scientific fraud and compared to a convicted child molester.

Dr Brulle said: “We really have anonymous giving and unaccountable power being exercised here in the creation of the climate countermovement. There is no attribution, no responsibility for the actions of these foundations to the public.

[…]

278 calochortus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 4:57:24pm

re: #275 dragonath

QUESTION to POSTERS: After America Collapses …. Should Obama be put on Trial ?

By whom? After the collapse practically by definition, there won’t be a government. Oh. Kangaroo Court.

279 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:01:11pm

re: #276 Political Atheist

Criticism of Supreme Court decisions is legitimate. The Supreme Court has flatly contradicted itself within a relatively short period of time (Lawrence and Bowers). They couldn’t have been right on both occasions.

The Supreme Court has also issued decisions that were flat-out appalling (Dred Scott). Bush v. Gore and Citizens United are also a legitimate target of criticism. I’m sure there are other recent supreme court decisions that sensible people on the right disagree with.

280 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:03:41pm

Arizona never quits.

281 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:04:45pm
15-701.03. Graduation requirement; constitutional oath

Beginning in the 2013‑2014 school year, In addition to fulfilling the course of study and assessment requirements prescribed in this chapter, before a pupil is allowed to graduate from a public high school in this state, the principal or head teacher of the school shall verify in writing that the pupil has recited the following oath:

I, _________, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge these duties; So help me God.

How can the oath be taken freely if they withhold your diploma without it?

282 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:04:51pm

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Something to keep in mind is that the Council might have a by-law in place forbidding the carrying of weapons, etc. in their meetings.

I know my fraternity had such a by-law regarding the fraternity house; banning guns, drugs, etc. to be brought into or stored in the house. There was an alumni officer attending grad school who did CCW due to where he was living at the time. He probably was violating the rule on numerous occasions (and definitely at least once since I asked him before a meeting once if he was carrying at the time), but since he wasn’t an asshole about it no one ever brought it up.

They asked the lawyer about that, he said no.

283 freetoken  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:06:24pm

Oh, look, here’s another interesting bit about “The Donors Trust”:

In a November 15, 2012 article in The Washington Spectator,” Lou Dubose, the writer, introduces us to the crusader who wants to undo many of the civil rights laws: “Edward Blum’s campaign to dismantle statues and case law that provide advantages to minority groups began in 1992. After Blum, who is white and ran as a Republican, failed to unseat a black Democratic congressman, he filed his first lawsuit.” Blum is the behind-the-scene backer of the Fisher case. Although what Blum does is legal, one wonders why he believes hundred of years of preferential treatment favoring European American is acceptable and need not be changed when we witness the results of years of injustice in education every day. Dubose notes that “Blum confirmed that his litigation is funded by Donors Trust and that the names of contributors to the fundraising collective are not available to the public.” Dubose does mention that there might be some connection with the Koch brothers via the Donors Trust.

You mean the Kochs are secretly funding racists as well as climate change deniers? It can’t be, can it?

284 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:06:35pm

re: #277 freetoken

Here’s another story that came out yesterday, got scant notice, and while it might not be the revelatory big bang The Independent had hoped for, one would think it would have drawn a few more notices:

Exclusive: Billionaires secretly fund attacks on climate science

I’m actually afraid that in the future, the United States will be viewed as having exported creationism and climate denial similar to how we view Saudi Arabia for fostering religious extremism.

285 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:07:54pm

re: #277 freetoken

As always, follow the money

Big Oil doesn’t like to be challenged—facts or no facts.

286 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:08:40pm

re: #278 calochortus

By whom? After the collapse practically by definition, there won’t be a government. Oh. Kangaroo Court.

How are we going to collapse?

Is Missouri going to turn into a big sink/black whole into which the rest of the continent will just collapse?

287 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:09:28pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

Criticism of Supreme Court decisions is legitimate. The Supreme Court has flatly contradicted itself within a relatively short period of time (Lawrence and Bowers). They couldn’t have been right on both occasions.

The Supreme Court has also issued decisions that were flat-out appalling (Dred Scott). Bush v. Gore and Citizens United are also a legitimate target of criticism. I’m sure there are other recent supreme court decisions that sensible people on the right disagree with.

Yet, we must live under the law as adjudicated while using the system to change it.

We are a nation of laws, not men.

288 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:10:16pm

Of course it’s legitimate for debate/discussion, but the point isn’t the conversation. It’s about living with the law, and acting upon the law as it is not as we wish it was. Have the stones to live with the tough calls. The ones that we don’t like. It’s ridiculously easy to live with the decisions that go our way.

Present company excluded-My impression is a great deal of the criticism is nothing more than partisan sour grapes. Losers whining. Like after Roe V Wade. Wah, wah, waaah. IMO-Dred Scott does nothing to undermine the rulings on medical reform or the 2nd. Given Scalias admission/encouragement to well regulate the guns, I think it’s one of the best decisions, as are all the affirmative decisions on the bill of rights and how it plays out as technology changes. Every right we have is far more powerful than in the founders day. I’m not sorry about that one darn bit.

289 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:10:43pm

re: #284 dragonath

I’m actually afraid that in the future, the United States will be viewed as having exported creationism and climate denial similar to how we view Saudi Arabia for fostering religious extremism.

We also export anti-gay bigotry as well.

290 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:11:12pm

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

How are we going to collapse?

Electing a black man as president.

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291 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:11:27pm

re: #283 freetoken

Oh, look, here’s another interesting bit about “The Donors Trust”:

You mean the Kochs are secretly funding racists as well as climate change deniers? It can’t be, can it?

There are sekrit conspiracies everywhere.

EVERYWHERE, I tell you.

I have to take it with a grain of salt because of the human tendency toward Whackoism™

Is it a sekrit conspiracy or just business-as-usual in politics/money land?

292 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:11:33pm

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Something to keep in mind is that the Council might have a by-law in place forbidding the carrying of weapons, etc. in their meetings.

They didn’t though. That’s why the councilman tried to enact such a rule on the spot, in direct response to a citizen simply voicing their support for the 2nd Amendment and stating that they were a CCW holder. The councilman didn’t want to study the issue, and when he lost he left like a petulant child taking his ball home. After the vote the City Attorney advised that such a rule would be unconstitutional and unenforceable. The councilman also thought it was his business to question the CCW holder in spite of the City Attorney pointing out that it was inappropriate because the time was set aside for the public to question the council, not the other way around.

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Something to keep in mind is that the Council might have a by-law in place forbidding the carrying of weapons, etc. in their meetings.

I know my fraternity had such a by-law regarding the fraternity house; banning guns, drugs, etc. to be brought into or stored in the house.

Your fraternity house was private property, a member’s only club, not open to members of the public.

I’m not saying that the council couldn’t have enacted such a policy if they wanted to, personally I tend to think that the City Attorney’s position was overly deferential to the 2nd Amendment. That if weapons can be banned from courtrooms that they can legally be banned from council meetings if that’s the policy. However the behavior of the councilman betrayed a reactionary unthinking emotional absolutism that is completely unbecoming of any public servant.

293 calochortus  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:11:51pm

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

How are we going to collapse?

Is Missouri going to turn into a big sink/black whole into which the rest of the continent will just collapse?

Maybe the country will break off along the San Andreas fault and everything to the east will slide into the Atlantic Ocean.

294 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:11:55pm

re: #287 FemNaziBitch

Yet, we must live under the law as adjudicated while using the system to change it.

We are a nation of laws, not men.

Of course, with the rare exception of civil disobedience for which one is prepared to pay the price. (Few things irritate me more than people who engage in a civil disobedience exercise that move heaven and earth to avoid actually being arrested.)

295 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:13:35pm

re: #290 Shvaughn

Electing a black man as president.

///

Just wait until Hillary runs…

296 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:14:40pm

has your fb been hinky lately.

297 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:15:32pm

re: #295 dragonath

Just wait until Hillary Elizabeth Warren runs…

FTFMe.

298 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:15:56pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

has your fb been hinky lately.

No hinkier than usual.

299 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:16:13pm

re: #293 calochortus

Maybe the country will break off along the San Andreas fault and everything to the east will slide into the Atlantic Ocean.

Just export all the extremists, fundies, bigots/racists, tea baggers to Somalia to see how well their ideology works in truly difficult conditions.

300 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:17:09pm

re: #298 wrenchwench

No hinkier than usual.

I don’t do FB. Too many people keep poking me.

301 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:17:32pm

re: #300 b_sharp

I don’t do FB. Too many people keep poking me.

You don’t like being poked?

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:17:56pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

has your fb been hinky lately.

Nope.

Of course, I logged in yesterday for the first time in six months to delete my account & that worked just fine ;)

303 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:18:40pm

re: #288 Political Atheist

Of course it’s legitimate for debate/discussion, but the point isn’t the conversation. It’s about living with the law, and acting upon the law as it is not as we wish it was. Have the stones to live with the tough calls. The ones that we don’t like. It’s ridiculously easy to live with the decisions that go our way.

Present company excluded-My impression is a great deal of the criticism is nothing more than partisan sour grapes. Losers whining. Like after Roe V Wade. Wah, wah, waaah. IMO-Dred Scott does nothing to undermine the rulings on medical reform or the 2nd. Given Scalias admission/encouragement to well regulate the guns, I think it’s one of the best decisions, as are all the affirmative decisions on the bill of rights and how it plays out as technology changes. Every right we have is far more powerful than in the founders day. I’m not sorry about that one darn bit.

Pretty much agreed, here. There’s a reason I left Heller off my list.

More generally, it seems troublesome that the Supreme Court is called on to decide so much.

304 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:19:45pm

re: #292 goddamnedfrank

They didn’t though. That’s why the councilman tried to enact such a rule on the spot, in direct response to a citizen simply voicing their support for the 2nd Amendment and stating that they were a CCW holder. The councilman didn’t want to study the issue, and when he lost he left like a petulant child taking his ball home. After the vote the City Attorney advised that such a rule would be unconstitutional and unenforceable. The councilman also thought it was his business to question the CCW holder in spite of the City Attorney pointing out that it was inappropriate because the time was set aside for the public to question the council, not the other way around.

re: #274 Feline Fearless Leader

Your fraternity house was private property, a member’s only club, not open to members of the public.

I’m not saying that the council couldn’t have enacted such a policy if they wanted to, personally I tend to think that the City Attorney’s position was overly deferential to the 2nd Amendment. That if weapons can be banned from courtrooms that they can legally be banned from council meetings if that’s the policy. However the behavior of the councilman betrayed a reactionary unthinking emotional absolutism that is completely unbecoming of any public servant.

Concur. And I should take the time to read the subject further before commenting. Mea culpa since it is obvious the articles and event covered what was talked about.

305 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:22:44pm

re: #279 EPR-radar

Criticism of Supreme Court decisions is legitimate. The Supreme Court has flatly contradicted itself within a relatively short period of time (Lawrence and Bowers). They couldn’t have been right on both occasions.

The Supreme Court has also issued decisions that were flat-out appalling (Dred Scott). Bush v. Gore and Citizens United are also a legitimate target of criticism. I’m sure there are other recent supreme court decisions that sensible people on the right disagree with.

Disagreeing with a decision one thing, ignoring it as the rule of the land or arrogating yourself to the arbiter of what is constitutional and what is not is quite another. It’s been a long time since anything as objectively evil as Dred Scott has passed SC muster, and if you can’t accept such a decision then I suggest embracing the idea and consequences of rebelling against the laws of your own government. Otherwise, deal with them. Bush was President no matter how much you disagree with the decision that made him one.

306 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:22:55pm

re: #299 b_sharp

Just export all the extremists, fundies, bigots/racists, tea baggers to Somalia to see how well their ideology works in truly difficult conditions.

Paradise on Earth. The heavens will open up and thousand-dollar bills will rain down upon the true believers like manna. He who is righteous with the Lord has no need of trifles such as education, infrastructure, or a functioning legal system. Where we are going, we don’t need roads.

307 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:23:11pm

Amgen Gets a Gift From Congress

For a disheartening example of how intense lobbying and financial contributions can distort the legislative process in Washington, consider what happened to the “fiscal cliff” bill approved three weeks ago by Congress.

Senators who play a major role in federal health care financing were happy to help Amgen, the world’s largest biotechnology company, evade Medicare cost-cutting controls by delaying price restraints on a class of drugs used by kidney dialysis patients, including Sensipar, a drug made by Amgen. That provision was inserted into the final fiscal bill by Senate aides. Many members of Congress did not know it was in the bill until just hours before it was approved.

Although other companies will benefit financially from that delay, Amgen, which has 74 lobbyists in Washington, was the only company to lobby aggressively for the provision. The delay will cost the Medicare program up to $500 million over a two-year period.

Oops. That’s the opinion piece. Here’s the investigative one:
Fiscal Footnote: Big Senate Gift to Drug Maker

308 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:23:31pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

The council member that left seems kind of a petulant chickenshit. It’s not like the guy with the CCW was engaging in any inflammatory rhetoric or threatening behavior, and police are always present during such meetings.

Basically, the Supremes have ruled that the 2nd Amendment guarantees an individual right, the same Court that ruled the Affordable Care Act constitutional. Either we live under a rule of law and both sides accept these kinds of judgement calls no matter which side of them we’re on, or we all just admit to being partisan hacks.

There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with hoping a future court decides differently.

309 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:24:07pm

Tennessee state senator Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville), who brought us the “Don’t Say Gay” school bill and claims that hetero sex can’t give you AIDS, is back with a bill to strip families of TANF assistance based on the children’s grades in school.

Saying his intention is to try a new way to “break the cycle of poverty,” Knoxville Sen. Stacey Campfield has introduced sure-to-be-controversial legislation tying a low-income child’s educational progress to the aid his or her parents receive from the state.

A member of the Senate Education Committee, Campfield told TNReport.com recently that his aim is to place “more accountability on people who are on government benefits.”

Senate Bill 132 would establish mechanisms for reducing Temporary Assistance to Needy Families payments for TANF recipients whose children fail to maintain satisfactory progress in school. According to the Tennessee Legislature’s website, the bill doesn’t yet have a House sponsor.

310 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:24:57pm

re: #236 freetoken

To be fair to Evangelicals, the Mormons are even worse on this.

Ever hear of the September 6? Not to mention that Evangelicals have a history of being Loyal Americans.

311 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:25:14pm

re: #305 goddamnedfrank

Disagreeing with a decision one thing, ignoring it as the rule of the land or arrogating yourself to the arbiter of what is constitutional and what is not is quite another. It’s been a long time since anything as objectively evil as Dred Scott has passed SC muster, and if you can’t accept such a decision then I suggest embracing the idea and consequences of rebelling against the laws of your own government. Otherwise, deal with them. Bush was President no matter how much you disagree with the decision that made him one.

Yes, but to some the idea of a black man in the Oval Office is so mind - shattering, they refuse to deal with reality. It’s as if they’ve created some quantum alternative bubble universe and live within in it—and think that’s just fine.

312 Political Atheist  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:25:29pm

re: #308 Obdicut

There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with hoping a future court decides differently.

Depends.

Roe V Wade?

313 austin_blue  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:25:54pm

re: #281 wrenchwench

How can the oath be taken freely if they withhold your diploma without it?

So you have to swear to God you’ll support a document that doesn’t mention God?

Fancy that!

314 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:26:13pm

re: #301 FemNaziBitch

You don’t like being poked?

By invitation only.

315 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:26:41pm

re: #309 Shvaughn

Tennessee state senator Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville), who brought us the “Don’t Say Gay” school bill and claims that hetero sex can’t give you AIDS, is back with a bill to strip families of TANF assistance based on the children’s grades in school.

I hope George Takei comes out of the woodwork and calls him a douchebag again.

Oh wait, that guy was from Arkansas.

316 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:26:48pm

re: #305 goddamnedfrank

Disagreeing with a decision one thing, ignoring it as the rule of the land or arrogating yourself to the arbiter of what is constitutional and what is not is quite another. It’s been a long time since anything as objectively evil as Dred Scott has passed SC muster, and if you can’t accept such a decision then I suggest embracing the idea and consequences of rebelling against the laws of your own government. Otherwise, deal with them. Bush was President no matter how much you disagree with the decision that made him one.

Of course. There is a difference between saying an act of partisan hackery by the Supreme Court put GW Bush into office, and advocating militia based resistance to Federal authority during the Bush administration because Bush was not a legitimate office holder.

I embrace the former and reject the latter.

317 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:27:13pm

re: #309 Shvaughn

WHAT???????

318 engineer cat  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:28:13pm

re: #300 b_sharp

I don’t do FB. Too many people keep poking me.

in ancient times trs BASIC had ‘pokes’ and ‘peeks’ so you could pretend to be a C pgmr

319 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:28:17pm

re: #309 Shvaughn

Tennessee state senator Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville), who brought us the “Don’t Say Gay” school bill and claims that hetero sex can’t give you AIDS, is back with a bill to strip families of TANF assistance based on the children’s grades in school.

How does this level of industrial grade stupidity bubble to the top?

320 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:28:34pm

re: #315 dragonath

Douchebag doesn’t go far enough with this guy.

He is a demonic little shit.

321 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:28:48pm

Hmmph.

Image: hall_cat.jpg

New cat ate the last of my fresh basil right out of the pot. :(

322 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:29:59pm

re: #318 engineer cat

in ancient times trs BASIC had ‘pokes’ and ‘peeks’ so you could pretend to be a C pgmr

As did the Atari OS.

323 Targetpractice  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:30:09pm

re: #309 Shvaughn

Tennessee state senator Stacey Campfield (R-Knoxville), who brought us the “Don’t Say Gay” school bill and claims that hetero sex can’t give you AIDS, is back with a bill to strip families of TANF assistance based on the children’s grades in school.

Since when did “controversial” come to be media speak for “stupid fucking proposal”? In what sane universe does linking your child’s school performance to financial aid make any sort of sense?

324 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:31:01pm

re: #323 Targetpractice

Because the media have gotten obsessed with the “Both Sides are Equal” fallacy.

325 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:31:26pm

re: #323 Targetpractice

Since when did “controversial” come to be media speak for “stupid fucking proposal”? In what sane universe does linking your child’s school performance to financial aid make any sort of sense?

In a world where the poor are that way due to some moral failing that means they should not get aid at all. Of course.
/

326 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:31:53pm

re: #323 Targetpractice

Since when did “controversial” come to be media speak for “stupid fucking proposal”? In what sane universe does linking your child’s school performance to financial aid make any sort of sense?

In no sane universe, of course.

In the insane universe of the RW nut jobs, where being poor is an act of defiance against benevolent prosperity gospel Jesus, any and all measures to increase the earthly misery of the poor are simply in accordance with the will of god.

327 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:32:03pm

Kin liabilty is so medieval and teutonic

Knowing Tennessee, it’ll probably pass their Senate.

328 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:32:35pm

re: #307 The Force Ghost of a Flea

Amgen Gets a Gift From Congress

Oops. That’s the opinion piece. Here’s the investigative one:
Fiscal Footnote: Big Senate Gift to Drug Maker

Page it, so I don’t have to!

329 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:33:27pm

re: #308 Obdicut

There’s also absolutely nothing wrong with hoping a future court decides differently.

No, but there is something wrong about actively denying the current decision on the basis of wishful thinking alone, especially by a legislator when the make up of the court hasn’t changed.

I think that arresting people for violation of victimless marijuana laws is morally identical to kidnapping. However, you don’t see me advocating the murder of policemen in defense of such kidnapping victims. I wait for either the Court or Congress to come to their senses and in the meantime acknowledge that in such matters the police are simply doing their (highly unethical) job.

330 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:34:18pm

re: #324 ProBosniaLiberal

Because the media have gotten obsessed with the “Both Sides are Equal” fallacy.

every viewpoint is valid AND sound. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but not the right to be heard. (or taken seriously)

331 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:36:07pm

re: #330 FemNaziBitch

every viewpoint is valid AND sound. Everyone has the right to an opinion, but not the right to be heard. (or taken seriously)

I’m not sure someone with an opinion based on ignorance has even the right to be acknowledged.

332 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:37:25pm
333 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:37:29pm

re: #331 b_sharp

I’m not sure someone with an opinion based on ignorance has even the right to be acknowledged.

Acknowledging those and responding to them sometimes can be educational for other parties though.

334 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:38:58pm

re: #331 b_sharp

I’m not sure someone with an opinion based on ignorance has even the right to be acknowledged.

Well, I wouldn’t be rude, that person is a human being.

“Thanks for sharing” or “Have you read (insert intelligence level appropriate text) about that?”

if they are Southern:

“Wel, Bless your Heart.”

335 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:39:48pm

re: #333 Feline Fearless Leader

Acknowledging those and responding to them sometimes can be educational for other parties though.

That often doen not work as well in practice as one would hope. See, e.g., “debates” between creationist liars and naive scientists that think being honest and having the facts on their side are sufficient preparation.

336 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:40:27pm

re: #334 FemNaziBitch

Well, I wouldn’t be rude, that person is a human being.

“Thanks for sharing” or “Have you read (insert intelligence level appropriate text) about that?”

if they are Southern:

“Wel, Bless your Heart.”

As a Canadian I have no qualms about being rude. I’d just roll my eyes and walk away.

337 wrenchwench  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:42:31pm

Image: hAE0F76D4.jpg

Later, lizards.

338 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:44:39pm

1st period over.

Winnipeg: 0
Sidney Crosby: 2

339 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:49:46pm

re: #338 Feline Fearless Leader

1st period over.

Winnipeg: 0
Sidney Crosby: 2

SC — best hockey player on the ice.

340 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 5:54:03pm

re: #312 Political Atheist

Depends.

Roe V Wade?

Obviously it depends, for fuck’s sake.

But I’m not foolish enough to think Roe V. Wade can’t be overturned. A lot of the people celebrating Heller seem confident it’s set in stone and will never, ever go away, and so they don’t bother making coherent arguments that don’t depend on it.

That’s why my arguments for allowing the legality of abortion aren’t just saying “Well, Roe v. Wade already settled that”.

341 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:04:55pm

re: #310 ProBosniaLiberal

I should note, the reason I do have an issue with the LDS church is one of cognitive dissonce.

Essentially Muslims in the US are treated poorly by some because people think we are “unloyal,” and hate the US. But most of us are loyal and support our nation.

Contrast this with the history of Mormonism. And they are accepted as full Americans? Even with the whole “Oath of Vengeance” thing, and the 1st September 11th Attack?

342 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:06:15pm

re: #340 Obdicut

Another way of making the same point is that for a great many people in this country, their civil rights depend to a disturbing degree on Anthony Kennedy’s opinion on the subject at hand.

Not exactly settled for all time.

People on both sides of the political spectrum have a certain tendency to confuse rights as expressed in law (a political process and subject to change, e.g., by constitutional amendment), with rights as they ought to be (using arguments based on various principles to advocate change or preservation of legal rights).

As a matter of principle, we should have free speech in the US. However, it is a circular argument to say we should have free speech “because the first amendment says so”.

343 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:06:16pm

re: #341 ProBosniaLiberal

Contrast this with the history of Mormonism. And they are accepted as full Americans? Even with the whole “Oath of Vengeance” thing, and the 1st September 11th Attack?

What the fuck is this shit?

344 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:08:14pm

re: #343 Obdicut

Which one?

The first September 11th Attack was the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Which occurred on September 11th.

345 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:08:34pm

re: #341 ProBosniaLiberal

I should note, the reason I do have an issue with the LDS church is one of cognitive dissonce.

Essentially Muslims in the US are treated poorly by some because people think we are “unloyal,” and hate the US. But most of us are loyal and support our nation.

Contrast this with the history of Mormonism. And they are accepted as full Americans? Even with the whole “Oath of Vengeance” thing, and the 1st September 11th Attack?

You’re doing it again.

346 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:11:08pm

re: #345 b_sharp

Why are we treated with suspicion? We have a better history with this nation.

That ticks me off. Not to mention that, when they are attacked or criticized, they will often use us to make a point about tolerance.

Then, when we are being bashed, they join in.

That is my frustration.

347 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:13:19pm

re: #341 ProBosniaLiberal

I should note, the reason I do have an issue with the LDS church is one of cognitive dissonce.

Essentially Muslims in the US are treated poorly by some because people think we are “unloyal,” and hate the US. But most of us are loyal and support our nation.

Contrast this with the history of Mormonism. And they are accepted as full Americans? Even with the whole “Oath of Vengeance” thing, and the 1st September 11th Attack?

The proposition that most Mormons are disloyal and do not support the US requires more support than some rather musty historical incidents to be taken seriously.

If you do not want Muslims to be convicted in the court of public opinion on flimsy charges, it is best to not go there first.

348 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:15:20pm

re: #346 ProBosniaLiberal

Why are we treated with suspicion? We have a better history with this nation.

That ticks me off. Not to mention that, when they are attacked or criticized, they will often use us to make a point about tolerance.

Then, when we are being bashed, they join in.

That is my frustration.

That’s fine, I would expect you to feel frustration and anger at that. However, trying to transfer that to Mormons, or to make another group look more deserving of prejudice as a way to reduce those feelings is counter productive and frankly a form of bigotry.

349 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:20:05pm

re: #348 b_sharp

Yes, I shouldn’t take it out on the individuals following the Church. Many of them are sweet people, albeit they may have massive blinders.

But the theology there is nuts. Far beyond what eventually would push me out of Christianity two years ago (that being the Trinity, with a side of Paul being contradictory on things.)

350 Shvaughn  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:22:50pm

re: #349 ProBosniaLiberal

But the theology there is nuts.

You sound just like the people who bash Islam. Except, y’know, it’s Mormons.

351 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:24:11pm

re: #349 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, I shouldn’t take it out on the individuals following the Church. Many of them are sweet people, albeit they may have massive blinders.

I wish you wouldn’t keep rationalizing this. People here have told you to knock this stuff off but you continually ignore their advice.

That tends to piss people off, you know.

352 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:24:31pm

re: #343 Obdicut

What the fuck is this shit?

What the fuck, indeed.

353 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:24:47pm

re: #351 dragonath

I’ll drop the Mormon thing then.

354 b_sharp  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:24:59pm

re: #349 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, I shouldn’t take it out on the individuals following the Church. Many of them are sweet people, albeit they may have massive blinders.

But the theology there is nuts. Far beyond what eventually would push me out of Christianity two years ago (that being the Trinity, with a side of Paul being contradictory on things.)

Why do you need a religion?

355 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:25:32pm

re: #349 ProBosniaLiberal

Yes, I shouldn’t take it out on the individuals following the Church. Many of them are sweet people, albeit they may have massive blinders.

But the theology there is nuts. Far beyond what eventually would push me out of Christianity two years ago (that being the Trinity, with a side of Paul being contradictory on things.)

Everybody’s theology (or lack thereof) is nuts to non-believers or believers in a different tradition.

Therefore, it is most unwise to get up on an absolutist high horse about someone else’s alleged theological issues.

356 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:28:05pm

re: #344 ProBosniaLiberal

Which one?

The first September 11th Attack was the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Which occurred on September 11th.

Who gives a shit? That’s ancient damn history. And linking it to September 11th is pathetic. Stop this dumbass group blame crap that you always try to pull. It’s fucking asinine and scary.

357 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:28:23pm

re: #354 b_sharp

It makes sense to me. Science and religion don’t have to be in conflict, and those who attempt to reject science, like the Theory of Evolution, are in my view, too small minded to accept that Theistic Evolution is there as well.

358 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:28:38pm

re: #349 ProBosniaLiberal

But the theology there is nuts. Far beyond what eventually would push me out of Christianity two years ago (that being the Trinity, with a side of Paul being contradictory on things.)

Your theology is nuts too. Who gives a crap?

359 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:32:33pm

re: #358 Obdicut

From the Atheistic and Agnostic point of view, we all probably look a little weird. And that was the point you were trying to make.

360 Obdicut  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:34:43pm

re: #359 ProBosniaLiberal

From the Atheistic and Agnostic point of view, we all probably look a little weird. And that was the point you were trying to make.

Why do you over and over and over and over again do this scary group blame crap? Group blame is not defensible in any way shape and form, but you fucking love it. Most of the worst excesses of human history have been perpetrated by people engaging in group blame.

You give anything you’re associated with a bad name by your behavior. You want to help Muslim’s image in the US? Don’t engage in group blame like a bigot.

361 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:35:49pm

re: #353 ProBosniaLiberal

I’ll drop the Mormon thing then.

It’s the China thing, the Russia thing, and whatever group that you don’t like. You keep temporizing in the short term but always return to the same themes of collective blame.

362 ProBosniaLiberal  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:44:02pm

re: #361 dragonath

Thinking on, I seem to have a stumbling block with the fact that I seem to fall for the Ecological Fallacy quite a bit.

Now, would me reversing the positions between me and a hypothetical person in another group before saying something be enough of a stoppage?

363 dragonath  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:48:46pm

re: #362 ProBosniaLiberal

Uh, what?

Just don’t do it.

364 EPR-radar  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 6:53:13pm

re: #362 ProBosniaLiberal

I don’t see the relevance of the Ecological fallacy here (incorrectly inferring individual characteristics from group characteristics).

However, a golden rule exercise is usually a good idea.

In general, how do you feel about a small handful of incidents being used to smear Muslims as a group? If you think this would be unfair, then don’t do it yourself to any other group.

The fact that bigots like Bryan Fischer et al. smear Muslims every day in this manner is no justification for doing it yourself.

365 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:40:51pm

re: #341 ProBosniaLiberal

{…] Contrast this with the history of Mormonism. And they are accepted as full Americans? Even with the whole “Oath of Vengeance” thing, and the 1st September 11th Attack?

WTF?? Are you out of your everloving mind? You’re starting to sound like that asshat over in the Pages with your group blame, and you’re probably within about a millimeter of getting the ban stick. Stop coming here to act out; get help OFFLINE.

366 stabby  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 10:51:30pm

re: #322 b_sharp

can you place LOAD “$”,8,1

367 Citizen Bob  Fri, Jan 25, 2013 11:06:41pm
368 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Jan 26, 2013 10:46:52pm

Charles Johnson,

As if the fly on Obama’s forehead actually meant something. I imagine Satan looking at the people saying that fly proves obama is the antichrist and laughing. Assuming the devil was real, he’d think it was ridiculous as well.


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