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Montana GOP Creationist Lawmaker: It’s a “Monumental Leap” to Believe in Evolution

The hoary old “teach the controversy” dodge is resurrected again
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Republicans across the nation simply never stop trying to find ways to reintroduce creationism into public school science classes.

The latest example is in Montana, where Rep. Clayton Fiscus (R-Billings) is hauling out the old “teach the controversy” canard for another spin. According to Rep. Fiscus, “It’s been about 150 years now since the evolution theory came out, and there’s a lot of evidence came out since then that would indicate we have to think a little bit wider.”

These guys are always a hoot when they try to pretend they’re all about science. It’s almost cute, in a sick way, and Rep. Fiscus is no exception; his bill, introduced yesterday, is titled “Emphasize critical thinking in science education.”

They’re so tricky and clever when they’re in disguise! Who wouldn’t vote for such a wonderful-sounding thing? Well, the Montana House Education Committee, for starters.

HELENA - A lawmaker’s proposal protecting “alternative viewpoints” during the teaching of evolution and science in schools came under fire Friday from opponents who argued it would pave the way for teaching of creationism.

Rep. Clayton Fiscus, R-Billings, said evolution isn’t settled science and called it a “monumental leap” to believe it is true. His bill would allow teachers - if they want - to address perceived weaknesses in evolution studies in the classroom.

“This is just a bill to instruct what we have presently in the science on the origins of life,” Fiscus said. “We should teach what we do know. We should also teach what we don’t know.”

The House Education Committee didn’t take immediate action on the proposal. There were no supporters, and roughly two dozen opponents.

The bill says it does not promote the teaching of religious doctrine, and “only protects the teaching of scientific information.”

An early draft version of the bill sought to teach “intelligent design,” but the suggestion was dropped during the drafting process. Courts over the years have struck down similar legislative demands for the teaching of creationism.

Rep. Fiscus just keeps coming back with ever more watered-down versions of his original “intelligent design” bill, but he’s being denied again.

Denied! It’s a crime! If you can’t teach creationism to kids in Montana, where in tarnation can you teach it? Besides Turkey, I mean.

(By the way, Rep. Clayton Fiscus has an excellent website that hasn’t evolved much since about 1997.)

Related:
A Stealth Antiscience Bill in Indiana
New Creationist Bill in Colorado

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427 comments

1 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:31:11pm

If evolution being true is a ‘monumental leap’, then ID is a quantum singularity.
/SCIENCE!

2 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:33:37pm

He thinks evolution is a giant leap? How about gravity?

We need the ID theory of gravity to be discussed along side the “scientific” one, because gravity isn’t settled science either, and when you look into it, the anti-God version really doesn’t make any sense to real Americans.

3 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:34:31pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

He thinks evolution is a giant leap? How about gravity?

We need the ID theory of gravity to be discussed along side the “scientific” one, because gravity isn’t settled science either, and when you look into it, the anti-God version really doesn’t make any sense to real Americans.

Intelligent Falling.

4 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:35:11pm

re: #3 Varek Raith

Water goes where it wants to!

5 Lidane  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:36:00pm
6 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:37:06pm

Perhaps he should visit the Statue of Liberty and take a monumental leap himself.

7 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:38:00pm

So what other ancient beliefs shall we teach as scientific fact? Teach modern astronomy next to the Ptolemaic view of the universe? Reintroduce the teaching of the four humors to medical textbooks as an “alternative theory”?

8 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:38:35pm

re: #4 stabby

Water goes where it wants to!

FISCUS ON WATER RIGHTS: Montana is the headwater state of 4 major rivers with 14 Trillion Gallons of snow and rainwater leaving our borders every year. I will oppose all regulations that restrict our rights to that water and our domestic well rights.
….
“And as human beings, you and I need fresh, pure water to replenish our precious bodily fluids.”

9 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:39:21pm
10 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:39:56pm

Before they hyperventilate and try to undermine evolutionary science, maybe they should spend 30 minutes actually learning about what evolution is and what it isn’t. There isn’t an agreed upon scientific explanation for the origin of life, instead there is an assortment of theories, none of which are very convincing. So it would already be acceptable to teach that science does not know how life began.

Evolution is more about how life changed over time.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:40:04pm

It’s a “monumental leap” to accept the scientific evidence for evolution, but believing in a magical garden at the beginning of time, with an apple tree and an evil snake in it — no problem.

12 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:40:15pm

re: #9 stabby

Image: waterfall.jpg

Sorcery.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:41:36pm

Frank says:

I want a garden!

Don’t we all, Frank. Don’t we all.

14 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:42:04pm

re: #9 stabby

Image: waterfall.jpg

That’s unpossible! Rotten Dutchmen…

15 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:42:06pm

Starting to get over the flu.

It’s a doozy this year. Get your flu shots!

16 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:42:14pm

Frank says:

A prune isn’t really a vegetable…
CABBAGE is a vegetable…

17 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:42:51pm

Let me guess: It’s a 5000 year leap isn’t it?

18 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:43:02pm

Even the skin on my head hurt. How can your skin get the flu?

19 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:43:44pm

MY EYES!

20 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:44:17pm

re: #19 b_sharp

MY EYES!

I see you just visited Rep. Fiscus’s fine website.

21 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:44:42pm

His website hurts my eyes. I’d wager anything one of his grandkids designed it.

22 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:44:57pm

re: #2 Skip Intro

Until gravitational waves are directly detected, than its just a case of Intelligent Orbiting dude.

TEACH THE FUCKING CONTROVERSY!!!!!!!!!!/

23 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:45:04pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I see you just visited Rep. Fiscus’s fine website.

Needs moar gifs.
And midis.
And…

24 Lidane  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:45:26pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I see you just visited Rep. Fiscus’s fine website.

As hideous as that site is, it’s a damn sight more evolved than Free Republic.

25 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:45:29pm

This is his site, right?

26 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:45:36pm

His “Pledge” page:
[Link: www.fiscusforthepeople.com…]

is a dictionary entrance under “parochialism”.

27 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:46:08pm
These guys are always a hoot when they try to pretend they’re all about science. It’s almost cute, in a sick way, and Rep. Fiscus is no exception; his bill, introduced yesterday, is titled “Emphasize critical thinking in science education.”

They do that because the Constitution (you know, the one they worship so much) bans them from being direct about what they want to do.

28 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:48:06pm

re: #26 freetoken

His “Pledge” page:
[Link: www.fiscusforthepeople.com…]

is a dictionary entrance under “parochialism”.

Sorry, can’t get past the color contrasts to even read his site.
;)

29 Sionainn  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:48:33pm

I can’t see after looking at his website.

30 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:52:02pm

re: #29 Sionainn

I can’t see after looking at his website.

If you look at his web page for 60 seconds and then stare at a blank sheet of white paper you will see Jeebus.

31 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:52:19pm

re: #15 stabby

Starting to get over the flu.

It’s a doozy this year. Get your flu shots!

It moved on to me dammit.

32 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:52:50pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Sorry, can’t get past the color contrasts to even read his site.
;)

I’ll summarize:

GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU #@$@! KIDS

33 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:06pm

It’s actually encouraging that this idiotic bill had no supporters and two dozen opponents at the hearing.

34 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:10pm

re: #30 Mich-again

If you look at his web page for 60 seconds and then stare at a blank sheet of white paper you will see Jeebus.

No, that’s an aneurysm.

35 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:13pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

I see you just visited Rep. Fiscus’s fine website.

I couldn’t see the monitor clearly for several minutes after.

36 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:43pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

Needs moar gifs.
And midis.
And…

Moar RED!

37 Lidane  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:53pm

re: #15 stabby

Starting to get over the flu.

It’s a doozy this year. Get your flu shots!

Got the flu shot for the first time ever this year. TOTALLY glad I did. So many people know have gotten sick lately.

38 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:53:59pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Stealth creationism has worn out it’s welcome in American politics?

39 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:54:25pm

I am not familiar with the diamond shaped symbol with the question mark in the middle that adorns his web page. And no kidding, a minute after leaving his web page my vision is not yet back to normal.

40 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:55:02pm

re: #38 freetoken

Stealth creationism has worn out it’s welcome in American politics?

One can hope, can’t one?

41 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:55:49pm

re: #30 Mich-again

If you look at his web page for 60 seconds and then stare at a blank sheet of white paper you will see Jeebus.

I don’t want to get high intraocular pressure.

42 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:56:05pm

BTW, online Scientific American has a brief article today on fossils and Lyell’s role introducing the idea of great age antiquity of humans and such things, as well as other key players:

Men among prediluvian Beasts

43 Lidane  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:56:11pm

re: #38 freetoken

Stealth creationism has worn out it’s welcome in American politics?

LOL no. His bill just happened to be too stupid for the rest of the Creationists in Congress.

44 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:56:33pm

re: #38 freetoken

Stealth creationism has worn out it’s welcome in American politics?

Fuck, I hope so.

45 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 3:59:28pm

re: #37 Lidane

You’re missing the chance to make bubbling and squeaky toy sounds when you breath.

Imagine how excited your dog will be!

46 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:02:27pm

someone posted a pic the other day that showed “trust that the bible is accurate” ranges from 53% to 9% in American cities..

That high end is scary.

I wonder if you were to take similar surveys about other religions in the rest of the world.

Trust that the Koran is accurate… probably Muslims would be afraid to say anything but “Sir, yes sir!” I mean “it’s accurate”

47 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:04:50pm

also I want you to know that if you google “sir, yes sir!” there are two entire images before the porn starts :/

48 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:07:39pm

re: #42 freetoken

BTW, online Scientific American has a brief article today on fossils and Lyell’s role introducing the idea of great age antiquity of humans and such things, as well as other key players:

Men among prediluvian Beasts

Charles Lyle was brilliant. His Principles of Geology was fundamental to the science. a sampling:

Principles of Geology, Lyell’s first book, was also his most famous, most influential, and most important. First published in three volumes in 1830–33, it established Lyell’s credentials as an important geological theorist and propounded the doctrine of uniformitarianism.[8] It was a work of synthesis, backed by his own personal observations on his travels.

The central argument in Principles was that the present is the key to the past – a concept of the Scottish Enlightenment which David Hume had stated as “all inferences from experience suppose … that the future will resemble the past”, and James Hutton had described when he wrote in 1788 that “from what has actually been, we have data for concluding with regard to that which is to happen thereafter.”[9] Geological remains from the distant past can, and should, be explained by reference to geological processes now in operation and thus directly observable. Lyell’s interpretation of geologic change as the steady accumulation of minute changes over enormously long spans of time was a powerful influence on the young Charles Darwin.

Lyell asked Robert FitzRoy, captain of HMS Beagle, to search for erratic boulders on the survey voyage of the Beagle, and just before it set out FitzRoy gave Darwin Volume 1 of the first edition of Lyell’s Principles. When the Beagle made its first stop ashore at St Jago, Darwin found rock formations which seen “through Lyell’s eyes” gave him a revolutionary insight into the geological history of the island, an insight he applied throughout his travels.

49 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:08:30pm

Obfuscation, courtesy of the Qataris Al Jazeera:

Are humans created or evolved?

Sounds like an ok question… but then you realize what the actual subject is:

Intolerant atheism refuses to acknowledge the possibility that science and religion can coexist.

50 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:09:29pm

The problem isn’t so much that this lawmaker is mentally-challenged, but that this kind of idiocy gets political traction with a stunningly ignorant half of the population.

People just aren’t very bright in general.

51 RealityBasedSteve  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:12:02pm

I had to go look at the site, it’s worse than we imagined. I checked the source HTML and it’s FRONTPAGE!!!! I do think the page could use more animated gifs, and maybe even some award pictures, like “Top 98% of the Web Award” and “Content Free For Protection”

And FWIW, stealth creationism is still alive and well, look at Louisiana, and what’s being taught in the private schools, (Paid for by government vouchers).

RBS

52 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:14:35pm

speaking of … I was gonna say porn, that search also brought up this pic Image: 3322591223_91871a0748_z.jpg

If I’m not mistaken that’s a commodore pet and a commodore vic 20

I remember both of those machines. I even remember seeing the older version of the PET at the Lawrence Hall of Science in Berkeley when i was a little kid Image: pet2001-black.jpg

53 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:15:05pm

If you are on the east coast or in the CTZ, you are probably watching the 60 Minutes interview with Obama and Hillary. No spoilers from me, but the Wingnuts are going to go apeshit over it.

54 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:19:53pm

YES, THEY ARE FREAKING REVOLTING

55 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:20:31pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

YES, THEY ARE FREAKING REVOLTING

Who wants popcorn?

56 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:20:54pm

re: #52 stabby

I wanted a PET so badly. At the time, that thing looked like the future.re:

#54 Vicious Babushka

I wonder how many of these yahoos will actually rise up and be put down like rabid dogs. I hope they’re all talk.

57 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:21:09pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

YES, THEY ARE FREAKING REVOLTING

“Sire, the peasants are revolting!”
“You said it! They stink on ice!”

58 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:21:18pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

YES, THEY ARE FREAKING REVOLTING

They keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

59 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:22:42pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

“Sire, the peasants are revolting!”
“You said it! They stink on ice!”

You beat me to it.

60 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:23:08pm
61 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:24:11pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

YES, THEY ARE FREAKING REVOLTING

Why would you want that? The last you Sith faced a Rebellion the rebels blew up the Death Star you’d spent so much time and money on. That ought to motive you to take rebels seriously.

/Stay on Target!

62 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:24:44pm

re: #56 JeffFX

My step dad bought me a TRS80 model 1
A year later my dad and my mom’s ex boyfriend then bought me an Atari 800 with 64k of ram >.>

My family sounds a little complicated eh?

63 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:25:25pm

You have to fall in love with the ATARI and a Star Raiders cart

64 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:25:40pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Why would you want that? The last you Sith faced a Rebellion the rebels blew up the Death Star you’d spent so much time and money on. That ought to motive you to take rebels seriously.

/Stay on Target!

Well, clearly we learned our lesson, since we are not going to construct a Death Star this time around. Maybe we could put the cost savings into basic marksmanship training for our stormtroopers.

65 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:26:44pm

re: #62 stabby

My step dad bought me a TRS80 model 1
A year later my dad and my mom’s ex boyfriend then bought me an Atari 800 with 64k of ram >.>

My family sounds a little complicated eh?

My mother married my dad’s cousin after she divorced my dad.

66 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:28:07pm

re: #65 b_sharp

My mother married my dad’s cousin after she divorced my dad.

Thanksgiving must rock.
/

67 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:30:23pm

I’m reading the interview but it’s boring to not HEAR them. You don’t get much feeling for people like that just reading the words. I’m gonna wait for the video.

68 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:30:24pm

I have never seen a post at TGDN denouncing the Birthermania. NOT ONE.

69 BongCrodny  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:30:32pm

Without ever having seen him before, if I’d been shown a random set of 10 names and a picture of that yahoo, and if one of them had said “Clayton Fiscus,” I would have said “That’s him.”

70 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:31:35pm

re: #68 Vicious Babushka

I have never seen a post at TGDN denouncing the Birthermania. NOT ONE.

Of course not. Birtherism is one of the prerequisites of membership. You have to check your brain at the door.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:32:55pm

re: #64 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Well, clearly we learned our lesson, since we are not going to construct a Death Star this time around. Maybe we could put the cost savings into basic marksmanship training for our stormtroopers.

Some of it will go there, but the Grand Admiral also plans to invest in more Imperial II-class Star Destroyers. With a larger fleet, the Empire can patrol and control more territory. And unlike a single massive battle station, a larger fleet can also reduce piracy and smuggling. The populace will be less concerned about Imperial laws when they don’t have to worry about being captured by slavers.

72 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:32:57pm

re: #70 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

You have to have checked your brain at the door in 2008.

I mean, you opened your mouth when you saw a n***** running for president, your brain fell out, and you never noticed it missing!

73 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:33:22pm

re: #63 stabby

You have to fall in love with the ATARI and a Star Raiders cart

I bought the Atari for DS game solely for Star Raiders. My son, alas, doesn’t get it.

I need to find a cheap used netbook to make into an Amiga laptop via UAE.

74 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:36:05pm

re: #73 William Barnett-Lewis

heh, what was cool about that game (at the time) was the 3d-ish shooting that wasn’t 3d. It was totally fake, yet it worked in that it was fun. You fly by someone, shoot them at the bottom of the screen where they’re close to the guns and the fireball hit’s instantly toward the left and right, as opposed to when they’re in the middle…

75 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:36:54pm

Here’s the first anti-Birther post. Watch wingnut heads explode, block moi!

76 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:37:11pm

But let’s face it, 3D has improved!

77 erik_t  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:39:24pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

Here’s the first anti-Birther post. Watch wingnut heads explode, block moi!

You better watch out, you’re going to be sent to the Twitter Gulag Defense Network Gulag.

78 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:39:35pm

re: #62 stabby

My family sounds a little complicated eh?

Very.

My first was a TRS-80 Color Computer. I had to solder RAM on-top of the existing RAM (less 1 data line to another chip) to double the memory and run more advanced programs.

That little computer set me on my career path.

79 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:40:13pm

If I had a DS I’d want this:

which I’m sure is already nostalgia

80 Bubblehead II  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:41:01pm

Night Lizards. The Derpularity has not only been reached, but broached.

Ice, Jimah, you are now up.

81 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:41:08pm

re: #63 stabby

You have to fall in love with the ATARI and a Star Raiders cart

I always wanted one of those. Never got it, though.

82 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:41:41pm

I looked up the Japanese lyrics. It’s one of the few times when the English is good and the Japanese isn’t

83 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:41:47pm

re: #78 JeffFX

Very.

My first was a TRS-80 Color Computer. I had to solder RAM on-top of the existing RAM (less 1 data line to another chip) to double the memory and run more advanced programs.

That little computer set me on my career path.

I had Trash-80 monochrome with a cassette tape deck.

84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:44:00pm

I have known dog breeders, horse breeders, and cattle breeders that intuitively and experientially understand how physical and behavioral traits can be passed down from one generation to the next, but at the same time are utterly hostile to the idea of evolution. I can’t understand why they think that way, and I am also no good at persuading them (I gave up trying years ago).

85 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:44:19pm

I worked for a company making video games on those old computers

Apparently it was a real bitch programming TRS 80 color computer carts.

They had a nicer processor than the rest, but the cart wasn’t really ROM. It was some odd serial devices that could be read a byte at a time to be interpreted…

86 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:45:08pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I had Trash-80 monochrome with a cassette tape deck.

Ever see a Model II? Two eight inch floppies, and if you were really flush you could get a hard drive the size of a VCR for around $20,000. I’m thinking they were 5 Gig, but I’m not sure there were drives that large back then.

87 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:47:37pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

I’m sure it wasn’t GIG

Our company spent plenty on back then on a hard drive measured in megabytes

Remember floppies were only measured in kbytes back then

88 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:48:13pm

yeah I think our whole company had one 5 meg hard drive.

89 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:48:42pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I had Trash-80 monochrome with a cassette tape deck.

My best friend’s parent bought him one of the first gen 4 kb ones. We were ecstatic when we jury rigged his tape recorder into working with it so we didn’t have to type in everything again and again…

Almost as much fun was the IBM PC-XT I got from a pawn shop - Hercules graphics, 640 kb & a 10 MB 5 1/4” full height MFM hard drive. If you understand what that means, you have my sympathy… :lol:

90 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:48:58pm

re: #84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I have known dog breeders, horse breeders, and cattle breeders that intuitively and experientially understand how physical and behavioral traits can be passed down from one generation to the next, but at the same time are utterly hostile to the idea of evolution. I can’t understand why they think that way, and I am also no good at persuading them (I gave up trying years ago).

I met a woman who said there were no differences other than the obvious physical ones between human men and women. Five minutes later she told me male cats make better pets than female ones.

Ignorant people force their beliefs onto the facts more than they insert facts into their beliefs.

91 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:49:06pm

My own compile time (well it was an assember) was cut down to something like an hour by using a 128k ram disk that a friend of mine made from scratch.

92 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:49:47pm

I found my Windows 98 disc during my desk cleaning. It’s on the wall now.

93 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:50:27pm

re: #86 Skip Intro

8 inch floppy drives, 360k IIRC.

5 1/4 were the big advance over cassette tapes, and then came the 3.5 720k diskettes. and then 1.44mb hd 3.5’s.

94 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:50:31pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I had Trash-80 monochrome with a cassette tape deck.

I had one of those. TRS-80 Model III with 48k of RAM. Cassette tapes for programs and some games. Including one that essentially did AI for an Avalon Hill tank combat board game; e.g. you had the boardgame and counters, input your initial positions and moves and it gave you information as you encountered things.

95 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:50:41pm

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

My best friend’s parent bought him one of the first gen 4 kb ones. We were ecstatic when we jury rigged his tape recorder into working with it so we didn’t have to type in everything again and again…

Almost as much fun was the IBM PC-XT I got from a pawn shop - Hercules graphics, 640 kb & a 10 MB 5 1/4” full height MFM hard drive. If you understand what that means, you have my sympathy… :lol:

We got our first PC, an IBM PC-AT, in 1986. It came with a 10MB HD, and Zedushka spent $500 to upgrade to a 50MB HD.

96 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:50:52pm
97 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:51:40pm

re: #73 William Barnett-Lewis

I bought the Atari for DS game solely for Star Raiders.

This exists?!? Is it Atari 800 Star Raiders, or the stripped-down Atari 2600 version?

98 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:51:55pm

re: #84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I have known dog breeders, horse breeders, and cattle breeders that intuitively and experientially understand how physical and behavioral traits can be passed down from one generation to the next, but at the same time are utterly hostile to the idea of evolution. I can’t understand why they think that way, and I am also no good at persuading them (I gave up trying years ago).

My take: They believe in “faith above all”. The Bible says that what happened is ‘A’ and the Bible is the Word of God, therefore any explanation that contradicts it is automatically unacceptable.

99 lawhawk  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:51:56pm

re: #89 William Barnett-Lewis

I remember upgrading a model 3, from 16k to 48k. It was like $200 to do that - crazy at the time, but a huge improvement in processing power. Now? You can get a 4tb drive for that.

100 Sionainn  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:51:56pm

My dad’s first computer was a KayPro that he bought in 1982 or 1983. It was considered a portable computer…thing weighed a ton!

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:52:41pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

I found my Windows 98 disc during my desk cleaning. It’s on the wall now.

I just cleaned out my computer stuff and dumped old Win95, WinME, Win2K, and other CDs that I’ll never use again. Plus some old games that required MS-DOS to run.

102 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:54:22pm

Latest fucktarded conspiracy bouncing all over TGDN (WeirdNutzDrooling, what else?)

103 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:55:18pm

re: #84 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I have known dog breeders, horse breeders, and cattle breeders that intuitively and experientially understand how physical and behavioral traits can be passed down from one generation to the next, but at the same time are utterly hostile to the idea of evolution. I can’t understand why they think that way, and I am also no good at persuading them (I gave up trying years ago).

I think the obvious thing would be that they’re religious, and in a more backward sect.

I haven’t seen anyone reject evolution who wasn’t trying to replace it with the absurd teachings of a particular group of religious people.

104 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:56:01pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

turn your volume down before hitting start… [Link: dagobah.net…]

The little girl who falls on her face at the beginning represents Windows ME (the version after 98) right before Microsoft threw out the non-NT code and went with windows 2000. The falling on her face is pretty much what windows pre-NT did a lot.

105 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:56:59pm

re: #94 Feline Fearless Leader

I had one of those. TRS-80 Model III with 48k of RAM. Cassette tapes for programs and some games.

The early days of software piracy involved our sound-systems, rather than our computers, for this reason.

106 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:57:03pm

re: #62 stabby

My step dad bought me a TRS80 model 1
A year later my dad and my mom’s ex boyfriend then bought me an Atari 800 with 64k of ram >.>

My family sounds a little complicated eh?

Thirty six years ago this Easter I bought an Apple II. I splurged for the 48K RAM model.

I still have the motherboard. My dad built a display case for it.

107 erik_t  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:57:19pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

Latest fucktarded conspiracy bouncing all over TGDN (WeirdNutzDrooling, what else?)

@GulfDogs  Rand Paul: Was Benghazi op running guns?: WASHINGTON – The Obama administration appears to b… [Link: bit.ly…] #TCOT #CCOT #TGDN

BY YOUR DERPS COMBINED, I AM… FASTGAZI.

108 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:58:09pm

ooh I loved the old Apple II which is odd because I never owned one.

One of my high schools had a couple though.

109 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:59:28pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

My own little brother lost his mind over conservative Christianity, and believes that Benghazi gun-runner horseshit.

Obama killed the ambassador to cover it up.

It’s very depressing.

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 4:59:50pm

re: #97 JeffFX

This exists?!? Is it Atari 800 Star Raiders, or the stripped-down Atari 2600 version?

Atari Greatest Hits Volume 2. It has a number of arcade games & 2600 games on it. Plus an Atari 400 emulator with Basic. Unfortunately all the good arcade games are on Volume 1 and I haven’t found a copy of it yet.

I never played the 800 version so this fits my memory just fine.

111 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:00:01pm

re: #104 stabby

turn your volume down before hitting start… [Link: dagobah.net…]

The little girl who falls on her face at the beginning represents Windows ME (the version after 98) right before Microsoft threw out the non-NT code and went with windows 2000. The falling on her face is pretty much what windows pre-NT did a lot.

.swf files on my current rig, which is not very current, just open a bunch of blank tabs. Flash and Win XP do not work together any more.

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:00:09pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

Latest fucktarded conspiracy bouncing all over TGDN (WeirdNutzDrooling, what else?)

Counter Question: Given his complete lack of credible evidence, why would anyone take Rand Paul seriously on this or any other matter?

113 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:01:14pm

re: #109 JeffFX

My own little brother lost his mind over conservative Christianity, and believes that Benghazi gun-runner horseshit.

It’s very depressing.

Sorry to hear that.

114 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:01:26pm

re: #110 William Barnett-Lewis

I never played the 800 version so this fits my memory just fine.

That is absolutely what really matters! It’s all about the nostalgia. I liked Star Master on the 2600 better than Star Raiders, but liked the 800 version of Star Raiders.

I still have a 2600 somewhere around here.

115 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:01:37pm

I have a bunch of liberals in my family and guess what: THEY WERE RIGHT ALL ALONG.

116 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:01:42pm
It’s a crime! If you can’t teach creationism to kids in Montana, where in tarnation can you teach it? Besides Turkey, I mean.

Well, there’s Louisiana! Creationism not required to be taught of course; but it is allowed to be taught.

117 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:02:17pm

re: #93 lawhawk

8 inch floppy drives, 360k IIRC.

5 1/4 were the big advance over cassette tapes, and then came the 3.5 720k diskettes. and then 1.44mb hd 3.5’s.

Ah.. Memory lane.. I was a computer enthusiast that loved going through the stages of technology. It was an exciting time for many.
My career took a right angle to all things scanguns. Hardware, software, 3rd party add-ons to connect to Dbases, Security ( I started when open air was the standard for wireless connections ) from code 39 and hundreds of other codes to 2d scanning. I love it.

118 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:04:23pm

France’s little sidequest in Mali seems to be doing well. And they seem to have brought most of Sub-Saharan Africa to the party.

They are now quickly advancing on Timbuktu, after taking Gao in the last 24 hours.

119 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:04:30pm

Chat Noir says ‘hi’ to the Lizards. He’s sitting here next to the laptop pawing at the keyboard.

120 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:04:43pm

WOW, TGDN HAS PSYCHICS WHO CAN READ THE MINDS OF DEAD PEOPLE

121 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:05:19pm

re: #113 Vicious Babushka

Sorry to hear that.

Thanks.

He’s not a stupid person otherwise, so there’s always hope that he’ll see through the nonsense one day. He just fell in with a bad crowd at a vulnerable time in his life, and has now raised a family based on an archaic worldview.

They at least don’t hate on gay people like a lot of evangelicals, and do help the underprivileged, so it’s not really toxic so much as foolish. They also have four beautiful, talented children.

I’m feeling much more positive now.

122 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:05:24pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

that’s kind of appropriate considering the content of the flash.

Which is a bunch of japanese fan drawings about characters representing different versions of windows…. Not that I understand any of it.

By the way people who can run it should click at random and make artwork pop up and random things happen.

You got to love the “Microsoft keyboard” that has only control alt and delete…

here’s a poor quality youtube with translations:

and a higher quality one without

123 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:05:59pm

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

WOW, TGDN HAS PSYCHICS WHO CAN READ THE MINDS OF DEAD PEOPLE

Yes, Washington was all for taking up arms against the US government. Which is why, within years of the Constitution being signed and his being elected president, he used the new military powers he advocated for in the wake of Shay’s Rebellion to put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

124 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:06:07pm

re: #94 Feline Fearless Leader

I had one of those. TRS-80 Model III with 48k of RAM. Cassette tapes for programs and some games. Including one that essentially did AI for an Avalon Hill tank combat board game; e.g. you had the boardgame and counters, input your initial positions and moves and it gave you information as you encountered things.

Tanktics

Avalon Hill did a bunch of computer games in the late 70s. I had most and I remember them fondly, especially Planet Miners.

My favorite AH game is and always willl be Squad Leader.

125 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:06:30pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

Well, there’s Louisiana! Creationism not required to be taught of course; but it is allowed to be taught.

**waves howdy**

126 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:07:37pm

re: #109 JeffFX

bengazi gun runner?

How does that work?

also how does conservative Christianity lead to thinking that the president is… … Does the bible say “don’t trust dem blackies” in it somewhere?

127 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:07:52pm

Could have sworn there was something called the Scopes Trial in 1925. Sad thing, we still have people walking on Earth refusing to accept the science and living in a mental state not even worthy of the early part of the 20th century. It’s not just a refusal to accept evolution either and includes the refusal to accept geology, plate tectonics, radio carbon dating, astronomical dating of stars, lights, etc. They believe the Earth came about in an almost cartoon version of Adam and Even and Noah and his ark.

128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:08:39pm

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I had Trash-80 monochrome with a cassette tape deck.

“Texas Instruments Professional”, which was TI’s approximation to the IBM XT. Dual 360K floppies, no hard drive. Monitor was green phosphor CRT.

DOS 1.12 came on a 5.25-inch floppy, and you had to boot a DOS disk so you could run Zork.

You should play Zork. Really.

129 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:10:05pm

Tonight’s episode of The Simpson’s contains a funny evolution reference wherein God sprinkles a bag of “Dinosaur Fossils” on the Southwestern United States.

130 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:10:57pm

re: #125 wrenchwench

**waves howdy**

howdy!

I’m not sure where to put this, because I’m not around much.

But here, for your enjoyment, is the take a good, conservative, Republican friend of mine has on Bobby Jindal. The entire essay is funny, but I prolly shouldn’t post it. This, however, is true:

“After being forced out into the working work Bobby tried his learned methodology of change every chance he had leaving behind him a legacy of one disaster after another. You have to hand it to him, he is persistent and consistent; after watching his actions fail time after time he has never given up nor has he admitted his mistakes. He still uses the original methodology of change that he learned back at Harvard. He breaks things and expects the elves to come in at night and fix them.”

131 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:11:29pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

So happy to “see” you back!
*smooches*

132 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:11:47pm

re: #118 ProBosniaLiberal

France’s little sidequest in Mali seems to be doing well. And they seem to have brought most of Sub-Saharan Africa to the party.

They are now quickly advancing on Timbuktu, after taking Gao in the last 24 hours.

Taking Timbuktu is the easy part. Holding it after Al Qaeda starts in with the suicide bombers and IEDs is the hard part.

133 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:12:09pm

re: #128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

A friend of mine had a system for writing text adventures that she named BTZ for the obvious Better Than Zork.

134 Sionainn  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:12:18pm

re: #108 stabby

ooh I loved the old Apple II which is odd because I never owned one.

One of my high schools had a couple though.

It’s what I learned word processing on in high school.

135 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:12:22pm

re: #130 reine.de.tout

This page is the perfect spot for that.

136 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:12:34pm

re: #131 Dancing along the light of day

So happy to “see” you back!
*smooches*

Hey, Hon!
*smooch* back atcha.

137 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:13:14pm

You people are all philistines who cannot comprehend the mighty power of the Commodore 64 (with Epyx Fast Load cartridge)

138 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:13:22pm

re: #116 reine.de.tout

Well, there’s Louisiana! Creationism not required to be taught of course; but it is allowed to be taught.

Reine! How’s the Roi?

140 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:14:39pm

re: #134 Sionainn

It’s what I learned word processing on in high school.

Ah, word processing! There’s my opening. I love this thing. It won’t work on this rig, ‘cause it needs Flash, but I’m going home soon to the new laptop with Windows 8. It does everything!

Be sure to click on “launch ‘Word Perhect’” and try it out.

141 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:14:47pm

re: #137 dragonath

Oh yes we do.

I knew the guy who wrote the fast load cart… though by now I’ve forgotten every damn thing about that…

142 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:16:02pm

re: #124 Romantic Heretic

Tanktics

Avalon Hill did a bunch of computer games in the late 70s. I had most and I remember them fondly, especially Planet Miners.

My favorite AH game is and always willl be Squad Leader.

Ah, I still have Squad Leader, Panzer Leader & Bitter Woods from AH. Almost all of the rest of my war games are from The Gamers though.

143 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:16:13pm

Hmm, Millitary Channel must be low on programming today.

“Biblical Mysteries Explained” is running right now.

144 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:16:54pm

re: #138 austin_blue

Reine! How’s the Roi?

:( The Roi is unable to work at the moment. Hasn’t been able to since last July; and we are not sure when (or even if) he will ever be able to return. Permanent spinal cord damage. The last surgery (the 3rd one) probably prevented additional damage from being done; but the current level of damage is such that he doesn’t even enough muscle strength to climb a flight of stairs.

So…. we are waiting - and fighting weekly with MetLife, which is supposed to be paying him disability pay, but keeps cutting it off for no reason that anyone has been able to discern. Well, except, apparently to make us jump through hoops and give him something to do.

145 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:17:33pm

Also I have the distinction of having broken TWO count them TWO commodore 64s by not having the power plug twisted correctly when I plugged them in (pieces of shit).

God that computer was so cheap that if you picked it up by the ends it sagged.

Also it fucked my reputation because a game I wrote used a mode switch part way down the screen which turns out to cause crashes in SOME c64s!

So it worked on MY c64, but not on OTHERS and I never found out till they gave me a bad reference to my next job, they’d released the game.

146 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:18:41pm

Yeah my memory of the fast-load guy is coming back. But it’s mostly stuff too personal to print :/

147 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:19:06pm

re: #132 Dark_Falcon

The citizens of this area are not liking these fuckers. They aren’t going to find safe haven.

Should note the number of French troops causing this major turmoil amongst the nutcases in Mali are just 2,500 Troops.

By way of Comparison, our smallest deployments recently (Haiti & Japan after their Earthquakes) were 16,000 troops and 24,000 troops respectfully.

A single regiment is carving through the nutcases like a knife through butter. The total number of troops from everyone is just 23,500. Much smaller than the Force in Afghanistan. Probably not even a third its size.

148 Mattand  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:19:08pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, Millitary Channel must be low on programming today.

“Biblical Mysteries Explained” is running right now.

Given the amount of godbots in our military, I don’t think this choice is accidental.

149 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:19:34pm

re: #142 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, I still have Squad Leader, Panzer Leader & Bitter Woods from AH. Almost all of the rest of my war games are from The Gamers though.

Tanktics is what it was.

I still have a decent pile of boardgames and even older wargames. Not many of the old AH classics, but stuff from the 80s like Victory Games “Carrier”, “Ambush” which are solitaire as well as 2-player games.

I have stuff from The Gamers as well. Mainly Civil War Brigade series as compared to the WW2 and later period TCS and SCS series.

150 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:19:56pm

re: #137 dragonath

You people are all philistines who cannot comprehend the mighty power of the Commodore 64 (with Epyx Fast Load cartridge)

I had a C128 for awhile. It was fun to go from Wordstar to a C64 copy of “Pool of Radiance”. In some ways I miss it more than my Amiga 500.

151 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:20:04pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

Reine, I’m very sorry to hear that.

152 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:21:14pm

re: #151 jaunte

Reine, I’m very sorry to hear that.

Well - we knew it was going to happen sooner or later; we were hoping for “later”. But apart from that - life is grand! How are you doing?

153 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:21:25pm

Just contemplating all the bad things I could say about the c64 and Jack Tramiel makes me too tired to type.

154 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:22:27pm

re: #152 reine.de.tout

Pretty good; one of my daughters decided to settle nearby, so lately I have regular visits with small energetic people.

155 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:23:08pm

re: #148 Mattand

Given the amount of godbots in our military, I don’t think this choice is accidental.

Or that they think the Venn diagram overlap between Godbots, Warbots, and Hitlerbots is quite high.
;)

Though their “Officer and a Movie” series is pretty good for seeing classics like “The Bridges at Toko-Ri” and sometimes their guest commentator has some interesting observations.

156 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:23:25pm

He put one company i worked for out of business by getting millions of $ units of a popular product from us… then not paying.

He preferred to screw anyone who he didn’t think he’d need a second time, companies and people.

He was consistent.

157 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:23:29pm

re: #126 stabby

bengazi gun runner?

How does that work?

also how does conservative Christianity lead to thinking that the president is… … Does the bible say “don’t trust dem blackies” in it somewhere?

They’re not racist. She teaches a class full of African American kids and puts in a ton of extra hours and money. I literally thought they were modern, liberal people until my brother started saying weird things that touch on wingnut conspiracy stuff I read here.

The cognitive breakdown is pretty simple really. You start with one hilariously wrong belief, in this case: Evolution is a liberal hoax to discredit Christianity, because the preacher-man said so.

At that point, the Liberals are obviously making things up to try to mislead god-fearing people into HELL, and the people screaming about it on the Internet must be the good, smart guys. These new peers you’ve found happen to have a lot of other ridiculous beliefs, and while fearing the liberal conspiracy together they discuss these beliefs in serious tones.

People who are afraid, often choose their allies poorly.

All that stands between anyone and a total crackup is adopting one really dumb idea and not letting go. For an example here, if someone thinks Occupy Wall Street was rapey-stabby, and couldn’t update that bizarre belief, they’ll experience a complete breakdown in social interaction and fall from a place of respect to ridicule. Some might even fall into the company of the stalkers for comfort due to their loss of prestige.

People are rationalizing apes, and react badly when their peers think they’re idiots. This is especially true for actual idiots.

158 TedStriker  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:23:39pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

:( The Roi is unable to work at the moment. Hasn’t been able to since last July; and we are not sure when (or even if) he will ever be able to return. Permanent spinal cord damage. The last surgery (the 3rd one) probably prevented additional damage from being done; but the current level of damage is such that he doesn’t even enough muscle strength to climb a flight of stairs.

So…. we are waiting - and fighting weekly with MetLife, which is supposed to be paying him disability pay, but keeps cutting it off for no reason that anyone has been able to discern. Well, except, apparently to make us jump through hoops and give him something to do.

Damn, Reine…sorry to hear about all that.

Is he able to do any rehab at all?

159 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:24:05pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

:( The Roi is unable to work at the moment. Hasn’t been able to since last July; and we are not sure when (or even if) he will ever be able to return. Permanent spinal cord damage. The last surgery (the 3rd one) probably prevented additional damage from being done; but the current level of damage is such that he doesn’t even enough muscle strength to climb a flight of stairs.

So…. we are waiting - and fighting weekly with MetLife, which is supposed to be paying him disability pay, but keeps cutting it off for no reason that anyone has been able to discern. Well, except, apparently to make us jump through hoops and give him something to do.

I am so sorry to hear that. How are you doing under the stress?

160 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:24:15pm

re: #154 jaunte

Pretty good; one of my daughters decided to settle nearby, so lately I have regular visits with small energetic people.

oooh, way cool! I know you enjoy that, eh?

161 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:24:59pm

re: #147 ProBosniaLiberal

The citizens of this area are not liking these fuckers. They aren’t going to find safe haven.

Should note the number of French troops causing this major turmoil amongst the nutcases in Mali are just 2,500 Troops.

By way of Comparison, our smallest deployments recently (Haiti & Japan after their Earthquakes) were 16,000 troops and 24,000 troops respectfully.

A single regiment is carving through the nutcases like a knife through butter. The total number of troops from everyone is just 23,500. Much smaller than the Force in Afghanistan. Probably not even a third its size.

Like I said, let’s see how things are a few months down the road. Getting your troops there is the easy part of asymmetric warfare.

162 Skip Intro  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:25:18pm

re: #87 stabby

I’m sure it wasn’t GIG

Our company spent plenty on back then on a hard drive measured in megabytes

Remember floppies were only measured in kbytes back then

I’m sure you’re right. It had to be 5 meg.

I remember the thrill I got the first time I bought a 20 meg Hardcard that plugged into the EISA? slots on my MB. 20 goddamn megabytes! I never thought I’d be able to fill it.

163 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:25:22pm

re: #159 b_sharp

I am so sorry to hear that. How are you doing under the stress?

hahahaha.
Doing OK. I try to find a lot of things to laugh about every day, so that I don’t shoot him. (NOT REALLY, I WOULD NOT SHOOT MY HUSBAND!!!).

164 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:25:26pm

re: #157 JeffFX

That was very thought provoking.

Also, what’s this gun runner conspiracy theory?

165 austin_blue  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:25:41pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

:( The Roi is unable to work at the moment. Hasn’t been able to since last July; and we are not sure when (or even if) he will ever be able to return. Permanent spinal cord damage. The last surgery (the 3rd one) probably prevented additional damage from being done; but the current level of damage is such that he doesn’t even enough muscle strength to climb a flight of stairs.

So…. we are waiting - and fighting weekly with MetLife, which is supposed to be paying him disability pay, but keeps cutting it off for no reason that anyone has been able to discern. Well, except, apparently to make us jump through hoops and give him something to do.

My deepest condolences. I got blown off a rig floor in 1988 (flashover after a horribly managed kick by an idiot of a Company Man- 3 dead) and had to have a lumbar laminectomy. That was the end of my wellhead geologist days. I scuttled around until I got a job as an environmental geologist/hydrologist.

There are always options that open up in the oddest ways and times, My Queen. Please know that I am hoping for the best for you and yours.

Damn.

166 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:25:51pm

re: #154 jaunte

Pretty good; one of my daughters decided to settle nearby, so lately I have regular visits with small energetic people.

I keep trying to pin my little grandkid to the couch so I don’t have to run so fast. He sees grandpa and he crawls away at lightning speed.

167 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:27:00pm

re: #166 b_sharp

I like to stick them up on the wall. Then it’s “do it again” for an hour workout.

168 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:27:16pm

re: #163 reine.de.tout

hahahaha.
Doing OK. I try to find a lot of things to laugh about every day, so that I don’t shoot him. (NOT REALLY, I WOULD NOT SHOOT MY HUSBAND!!!).

{{{reine}}}

169 wrenchwench  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:27:21pm

re: #157 JeffFX

I hope they try to sort out the inherent conflicts and figure some stuff out. Could happen.

170 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:28:19pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

((Hugs for both of you!))

171 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:28:46pm

re: #158 TedStriker

Damn, Reine…sorry to hear about all that.

Is he able to do any rehab at all?

No. he went to physical therapy, and got worse. So.. they stopped it. He was taking a huge dose of 2 different muscle relaxers every day for some reason - and was simply drugged all the time, so he has weaned off of those and is no worse - no better, but no worse, so they must not have been doing him any good.

All of his muscles are tight, and ‘firing’ all the time. So he loses strength within a few minutes of starting to do anything, because his muscles are exhausted. They can’t figure out how to stop it.

172 ProBosniaLiberal  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:28:53pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Asymmetric warfare requires sympathizers that will help in hiding, and housing said nutcases. After the show they have made, they will have very, very few of those.

And most everyone bordering Mali hates these fuckers too. Maybe not Algeria, but Algeria knows they can’t give much, if any support, lest they bring a NATO already tweaked with them over their support for Qaddafi during the Libyan Civil War, on their heads. Which would take all of an afternoon, considering how close they are to Spain, France, and Italy.

173 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:29:04pm

re: #168 b_sharp

{{{reine}}}

re: #170 Dancing along the light of day

((Hugs for both of you!))

Merci!

174 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:30:07pm

re: #166 b_sharp

I keep trying to pin my little grandkid to the couch so I don’t have to run so fast. He sees grandpa and he crawls away at lightning speed.

Seriously? My daughter used to see my Dad, and start crying. So at least he’s playing a game, and isn’t scared of you!

175 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:30:40pm

re: #167 jaunte

I like to stick them up on the wall. Then it’s “do it again” for an hour workout.

You have velcro on your wall?
And little velcro suits?

176 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:31:41pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

No, just manual labor.

177 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:32:16pm
178 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:32:17pm

re: #157 JeffFX

The cognitive breakdown is pretty simple really. You start with one hilariously wrong belief, in this case: Evolution is a liberal hoax to discredit Christianity, because the preacher-man said so.

Also, (and don’t miss my previous comments to you), that’s amazingly dumb. It’s not hard at all to reconcile religion and evolution. And you don’t even have to believe in evolution in order to understand that others believe in its truth sincerely.

… why choose to be paranoid?

179 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:32:19pm

re: #174 reine.de.tout

Seriously? My daughter used to see my Dad, and start crying. So at least he’s playing a game, and isn’t scared of you!

When I catch him it’s tickle time. He loves his grandpa.

180 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:32:50pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

Velcro wall

I would love to have one of these.

181 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:33:36pm

re: #179 b_sharp

I always hated being tickled but it was probably obvious.

182 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:34:52pm

re: #165 austin_blue

My deepest condolences. I got blown off a rig floor in 1988 (flashover after a horribly managed kick by an idiot of a Company Man- 3 dead) and had to have a lumbar laminectomy. That was the end of my wellhead geologist days. I scuttled around until I got a job as an environmental geologist/hydrologist.

There are always options that open up in the oddest ways and times, My Queen. Please know that I am hoping for the best for you and yours.

Damn.

{{{Austin Blue}}}
Thanks.

183 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:35:35pm

re: #164 stabby

That was very thought provoking.

Also, what’s this gun runner conspiracy theory?

Obama was running guns to the Muslim Brotherhood in Libya to overthrow the local dictator, but the ambassador found out and had to be killed.

You see Reagan illegally ran guns, so it’s likely our government is still doing it, so therefore Benghazi was a cover-up. Or something.

Our government really has done that sort of thing, so it’s easy to assume they are now, especially if you hate and fear the party in power. It also has scary Muslims for added punch.

184 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:35:39pm

re: #181 stabby

I always hated being tickled but it was probably obvious.

I only tickle him for a couple of seconds. It just makes him giggle.

185 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:36:43pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

I find that rubber cement works well, if you can hold them still until they dry!
Bonus is they giggle when it gets rubbed off!

186 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:36:49pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

I hope they try to sort out the inherent conflicts and figure some stuff out. Could happen.

If their conservative peers keep getting worse, they’ll have to. They are well-meaning people, and do see through a lot of the conservative hate.

187 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:38:03pm

re: #183 JeffFX

The reasoning is so good that I’m reminded of the fake former-Islamist on the fundie circuit who said “abortion is Sharia!”

188 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:38:33pm

reine.de.tout


So sorry to hear what you’re going through. I’ll be sending positive thoughts your way. It doesn’t actually do anything, but I hear it’s the thought that counts.

189 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:39:30pm

re: #185 Dancing along the light of day

I find that rubber cement works well, if you can hold them still until they dry!
Bonus is they giggle when it gets rubbed off!

I was wondering the other day if anybody ever used mucilage anymore? I haven’t seen it or heard of it in ages.

190 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:39:59pm

re: #188 JeffFX

reine.de.tout

So sorry to hear what you’re going through. I’ll be sending positive thoughts your way. It doesn’t actually do anything, but I hear it’s the thought that counts.

appreciate it, nonetheless. And you never know…

191 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:40:20pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

stop reminding me of my flu.

I think i got to get up for a while

192 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:41:01pm

been in bed all day for 3 days

193 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:41:17pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

I was wondering the other day if anybody ever used mucilage anymore? I haven’t seen it or heard of it in ages.

Reminds me of those old red rubber tipped applicators that looked like snail feet. Creepy.
Image: 3.png

194 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:41:37pm

re: #187 stabby

The reasoning is so good that I’m reminded of the fake former-Islamist on the fundie circuit who said “abortion is Sharia!”

It’s also why we’re overrun with these Muslim atheists. ;>

People believe what they want to believe. The rest is all rationalization.
The dangerous ones are the ones who can come up with smart rationalizations for their bullshit. The goofy stuff is easy to spot if your IQ is higher than room temperature.

195 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:07pm

re: #175 reine.de.tout

You have velcro on your wall?
And little velcro suits?

Just hammer and nails.

196 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:09pm

re: #191 stabby

stop reminding me of my flu.

I think i got to get up for a while

Oh, Sorry. I hope you feel better soon.

197 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:26pm

Hey Reine, hope your situation improves and you can get MetLife to smarten up.

I am wondering, being in the Deep South how many wingnuts you encounter on a daily basis. It seems several times a week at work I get stuck listening to anti-Obama discussions sprinkled with Fox News talking points. It’s frustrating to say the least but for the most part I keep my mouth shut as I don’t want to risk my job.

198 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:28pm

re: #192 stabby

been in bed all day for 3 days

Oh man, I feel for you. I’ve been well for about 4 days now after a week of the flu, and am still coughing up horrors.

199 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:34pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

You can still get it on amazon.

200 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:39pm

re: #189 reine.de.tout

I was wondering the other day if anybody ever used mucilage anymore? I haven’t seen it or heard of it in ages.

It still comes out of your nose when the weather gets cold.

201 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:42:48pm

re: #193 jaunte

Reminds me of those old red rubber tipped applicators that looked like snail feet. Creepy.
Image: 3.png

ick. They were creepy. And once they got sticky, there was no getting them unsticky. ick.

202 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:43:26pm

re: #198 JeffFX

when do you stop being contagious I wonder?

I work with people :(

203 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:44:37pm

re: #197 dragonfire1981

Hey Reine, hope your situation improves and you can get MetLife to smarten up.

I am wondering, being in the Deep South how many wingnuts you encounter on a daily basis. It seems several times a week at work I get stuck listening to anti-Obama discussions sprinkled with Fox News talking points. It’s frustrating to say the least but for the most part I keep my mouth shut as I don’t want to risk my job.

Oh, gosh, well, you know I myself am a wingnut, so on a DAILY basis, I encounter at least one.

I live in Baton Rouge, a city, and among my friends, there is a good sprinkling of people on BOTH sides. I love them all.

204 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:44:49pm

Obama says struggling over whether to intervene in Syria

Obama’s comments come as world leaders gathered in Davos, Switzerland, said they wished the United States were more engaged in geopolitical issues such as the conflicts in Syria and Mali, where France is attacking al Qaeda-affiliated militants.

In an interview with CBS television program “60 Minutes,” Obama bristled when asked to respond to criticism that the United States has been reluctant to engage in foreign policy issues like the Syrian crisis.

Obama said his administration put U.S. warplanes into the international effort to oust Muammar Gaddafi in Libya, and led a push to force Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak from office.

But in Syria, his administration wants to make sure U.S. action would not backfire, he said.

“We do nobody a service when we leap before we look, where we … take on things without having thought through all the consequences of it,” Obama told CBS.

“We are not going to be able to control every aspect of every transition and transformation” in conflicts around the world, he said. “Sometimes they’re going to go sideways.”

205 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:45:41pm

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

It still comes out of your nose when the weather gets cold.

gee - it THAT what my grandmother had in that bottle? Ick. Good thing I never knew…

206 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:46:45pm

re: #202 stabby

when do you stop being contagious I wonder?

I work with people :(

I’m lucky that I was able to work from home (I did no work, I couldn’t think).

I went back to work as soon as the flu symptoms subsided into that of a cold. I think if you don’t feel awful anymore you’ve defeated the infection.

207 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:47:09pm

re: #196 reine.de.tout

Oh, Sorry. I hope you feel better soon.

Yo!
How ya doing???

208 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:48:35pm

re: #207 Varek Raith

Yo!
How ya doing???

Yo, back!
Doing fine, thank you!

209 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:51:15pm

OK. Downton Abbey is my latest addiction, and it’s about to come on. It was good “seeing” y’all - I’ll be back!

210 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:54:17pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

OK. Downton Abbey is my latest addiction, and it’s about to come on. It was good “seeing” y’all - I’ll be back!

Glad to have had you here today. All the best to you and yours.

211 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 5:55:33pm

re: #197 dragonfire1981

In the past I’ve had to work for extremely religious people but never for right wingers >.>

Left wing pentacostals will put their hand over your shoulder and invite you to church just as much as right wing ones will.

212 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:02:00pm

re: #211 stabby

Left wing pentacostals will put their hand over your shoulder and invite you to church just as much as right wing ones will.

They’re all well-meaning, but wrong. They don’t know how awkward that can be for non-or-different-believers.

I watched a liberal service a couple of months ago, I don’t remember how or why, as I don’t channel surf, but I was struck by how kind and loving the preacher was. It was the polar opposite of what I’ve been exposed to from the right in recent years, and I stuck around for the rest of the service despite not being religious myself.

213 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:02:02pm

re: #146 stabby

Yeah my memory of the fast-load guy is coming back. But it’s mostly stuff too personal to print :/

You’re making my Fast Load cartridge feel illicit, man.

214 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:03:16pm

re: #209 reine.de.tout

Heh, Fox is saying that the popularity of Downton Abby is a threat to Obama because it portrays the rich in a positive light…

I just saw Colbert say that..

215 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:08:25pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s a “monumental leap” to accept the scientific evidence for evolution, but believing in a magical garden at the beginning of time, with an apple tree and an evil snake in it — no problem.

PREACH it, brother!
Oh wait…you’re being…what’s that word…ummm…sarcastic.

Tricksy atheist.

216 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:09:11pm

re: #213 dragonath

The point of fastload was that …
look, half way through designing the c64, Tramiel or someone fired the engineers

So the machine HAD a chip to run the floppy but they couldn’t figure out how to get it working, so instead they kernalled the CPU to directly read the stream of data. But with the CPU being stalled periodically for the video chip it couldn’t read the stream full speed. I think it was something like 3 rotations of the disk to read one sector.

So the fastload cart turned off the screen so you could read the disk at a more reasonable speed.

There was a mod by someone who understood the disk chip that was sitting there unused. By putting in a few wires or something, you could get reasonable disk access without turning off the screen.

217 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:10:31pm

A wonder of the c64, it had two ports for the joysticks:
Port 1 and Port A

They didn’t even have the excuse of not being native English speakers.

218 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:11:49pm

re: #127 Gus

Could have sworn there was something called the Scopes Trial in 1925. Sad thing, we still have people walking on Earth refusing to accept the science and living in a mental state not even worthy of the early part of the 20th century. It’s not just a refusal to accept evolution either and includes the refusal to accept geology, plate tectonics, radio carbon dating, astronomical dating of stars, lights, etc. They believe the Earth came about in an almost cartoon version of Adam and Even and Noah and his ark.

Hold on there Gus, they are perfectly OK with the part of science that originated DNA testing to solve crimes.

219 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:14:17pm

re: #218 Mich-again

Hold on there Gus, they are perfectly OK with the part of science that originated DNA testing to solve crimes.

They only like DNA testing to prosecute people and not when it’s used to exonerate people.

220 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:14:39pm

re: #212 JeffFX

They’re all well-meaning, but wrong. They don’t know how awkward that can be for non-or-different-believers.

I watched a liberal service a couple of months ago, I don’t remember how or why, as I don’t channel surf, but I was struck by how kind and loving the preacher was. It was the polar opposite of what I’ve been exposed to from the right in recent years, and I stuck around for the rest of the service despite not being religious myself.

I’m not a believer anymore in ANY traditional sense…Stephen Hawking pretty much put it to bed for me when he demonstrated that you can in fact get the Universe from “nothing” since the sum total of energy and matter in the Universe is actually zero. Yet I continue to work happily for a New Thought religious organization because it is just filled with amazing, loving and open-minded people, and actively works to eliminate discrimination on any basis, and to promote diversity and peace.

221 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:15:55pm

Evolution denialism is the truist form of patriotism.

//

222 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:16:46pm

re: #218 Mich-again

Hold on there Gus, they are perfectly OK with the part of science that originated DNA testing to solve crimes.

They’re fine with science when it’s used to make weapons, too.

223 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:17:08pm

re: #220 Tigger2005

You are a good person!

224 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:17:55pm

I might be moving to Montana soon.

225 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:18:05pm

re: #221 Gus

Evolution denialism is the truist form of patriotism.

//

If your political leaders tell you not to believe in evolution, and you obey, it kind of is.

226 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:18:22pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, Millitary Channel must be low on programming today.

“Biblical Mysteries Explained” is running right now.

Don’t tell me they have run out of shows about Hitler or the civil war!

227 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:21:34pm

re: #225 JeffFX

If your political leaders tell you not to believe in evolution, and you obey, it kind of is.

I didn’t come from no monkey. — George Washington #TGDN

//

228 Jalal bin Smokin?  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:23:12pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

I might be moving to Montana soon.

[Embedded content]

Just you and the pygmy pony out by the dental floss bush?

229 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:25:10pm

re: #216 stabby

Uh, that’s it…? I always assumed there was some kind of hardware inside that thing.

Tell me more about Tramiel, he sounds like a combination of R.K. Maroon and Chainsaw Al.

230 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:25:41pm

re: #203 reine.de.tout

Oh, gosh, well, you know I myself am a wingnut, so on a DAILY basis, I encounter at least one.

I live in Baton Rouge, a city, and among my friends, there is a good sprinkling of people on BOTH sides. I love them all.

Sorry but I don’t see it. Right wing you may be, but wingnut is not a description that fits in any sense. I’ve known you since 2009 and you have never come anywhere near that label.

231 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:27:21pm

Montana state fossil: Duck-billed Dinosaur

Maiasaura (from the Greek “μαία + σαύρα”, meaning “caring mother lizard”) is a large duck-billed dinosaur genus that lived in the area currently covered by the state of Montana in the Upper Cretaceous Period (mid to late Campanian), about 74 million years ago.

Better get cracking Fiscus to get this changed because something don’t look right. It’s a “monumental leap” to see you get discombobulated about evolution while your state has an official fossil dating back 74 million years ago.

232 jamesfirecat  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:28:43pm

re: #214 stabby

Heh, Fox is saying that the popularity of Downton Abby is a threat to Obama because it portrays the rich in a positive light…

I just saw Colbert say that..

I still loved the previous skit Colbert did where he had the actual cast of downtown abbey act out scenes from breaking bad….

“As lord Byron once postulated, more money more quandaries….”

233 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:29:06pm

re: #229 dragonath

Well there might have been a little more. The Floppy itself had a cpu, there might have been a little program on there for the floppy side too.

Another friend of mine had a program so that the C64 could read and write IBM format disks. We used that inside of a very tough looking industialish video tape quality assessing machine that no one suspected had a c64 in it, sans case.

234 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:29:58pm

TGDN is so dumb, they tweet snopes articles marked FALSE as “true”

235 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:31:31pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

It’s a “monumental leap” to accept the scientific evidence for evolution, but believing in a magical garden at the beginning of time, with an apple tree and an evil snake in it — no problem.

They accepted the snake when they were three years old, and have believed it since. Now we want them to discard all that deep-seated “knowledge” for something completely different that’s way above their ability to understand themselves, so they would also have to accept on faith.

It’s a really bad situation, and I’m not smart enough to know how to educate them out of their absurd worldview.

236 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:31:59pm

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is so dumb, they tweet snopes articles marked FALSE as “true”

I can’t begin to define just how sick I’ve gotten of the “Christians are an oppressed minority!” bit.

237 b_sharp  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:37:11pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to define just how sick I’ve gotten of the “Christians are an oppressed minority!” bit.

Poor oppressed majority. Christians, whites, and men (even though they hold power majority, not numeric majority) are all subjected to horrible restrictions by everybody else.

Can you imagine what it must be like for a Christian white male?

238 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:38:02pm

re: #143 Feline Fearless Leader

Hmm, Millitary Channel must be low on programming today.

“Biblical Mysteries Explained” is running right now.

Those shows never do seem to address the REAL mysteries, like:

Why do Paul and the other epistle writers NEVER unambiguously speak of Jesus as if he was a person from recent history?

Why is the gospel of Mark constructed almost entirely out of scripture?

Why do the other gospels all copy large sections of Mark and adopt his narrative structure?

If Jesus was so famous, why can no contemporary references to him be found? Josephus is about it, and it can be demonstrated that those references are most likely later interpolations.

Isn’t it interesting that beliefs and philosophies concerning divine intermediaries and descending redeemers—products of neo-Platonist philosophy and Hellenistic Jewish thought and interpretation of scripture (not to mention dying rising savior god mystery religions, reform movements and apocalyptic cults)—were all over the religious map of the Empire at the time Christianity emerged on the scene? One might think Christianity simply developed out of this bubbling mass of religious expression rather than being a reaction to some historic personage.

239 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:39:05pm

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is so dumb, they tweet snopes articles marked FALSE as “true”

“Chrysler’s moving Jeep production to China! Obama has betrayed America by letting the company he bailed out do this!”

In reality, of course, the only Jeeps to built in China are to be for sale in China. But that didn’t keep Mitt Romney from beclowning himself be insisting otherwise, nor does the way Romney got his ass headed to him for telling that lie seem to have made any impression on the Twitter Goobers DERP Network.

240 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:39:17pm

}?re: #236 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to define just how sick I’ve gotten of the “Christians are an oppressed minority!” bit.

They’re actually the exact opposite of oppressed with their massive tax breaks from the government.
We don’t have to keep allowing these poor oppressed christian organizations to skip paying taxes. We can start treating them fairly like any business.

If they continue to act oppressed when not allowed to oppress others, one day people of good will will snap and stop putting up their poor behavior.

241 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:40:17pm

re: #239 Dark_Falcon

“Chrysler’s moving Jeep production to China! Obama has betrayed America by letting the company he bailed out do this!”

In reality, of course, the only Jeeps to built in China are to be for sale in China. But that didn’t keep Mitt Romney from beclowning himself be insisting otherwise, nor does the way Romney got his ass headed to him for telling that lie seem to have made any impression on the Twitter Goobers DERP Network.

If anything, they’ve taken the recent announcement that Jeeps will be built in China for local consumption as “proof” that Romney was some sort of modern Nostradamus.

242 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:42:26pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

I can’t begin to define just how sick I’ve gotten of the “Christians are an oppressed minority!” bit.

Don’t they even read the Gospels??

Luke 6: 22-23

Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.
“Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their ancestors treated the prophets.

243 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:43:32pm

re: #231 Gus

Don’t you know, Satan totally has a thing for funny looking dinosaurs. He probably planted it there on a drunken bender back in 1983.

244 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:43:39pm

re: #238 Tigger2005

Those shows never do seem to address the REAL mysteries,

It’s fluff to get eyeballs and ad-dollars without offending anyone. If you address the real mysteries, people will get mad.

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:44:10pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

If anything, they’ve taken the recent announcement that Jeeps will be built in China for local consumption as “proof” that Romney was some sort of modern Nostradamus.

I know, i got into it with someone on Twitter over that. She was civil, but seemed sworn and determined to prove the media sandbagged Romney. The exchange petered out with her saying it didn’t matter much now, which i agreed to as a way to end things gracefully. Facts always matter, of course, but my mother did teach me to always be polite and gracious with a lady.

246 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:45:33pm

re: #234 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is so dumb, they tweet snopes articles marked FALSE as “true”

Got one for ya.

Not Mark Twain. That was actually Herman Melville who said:

Mr. Widmer, a former speechwriter for President Bill Clinton, takes his title from “White-Jacket” (1850), an adventure novel by Herman Melville. “We Americans are the peculiar, chosen people,” Melville wrote, “the Israel of our time; we bear the ark of liberties of the world.”

Full context:

Escaped from the house of bondage, Israel of old did not follow after the ways of the Egyptians. To her was given an express dispensation; to her were given new things under the sun. And we Americans are the peculiar, chosen people—the Israel of our time; we bear the ark of the liberties of the world. Seventy years ago we escaped from thrall; and, besides our first birthright—embracing one continent of earth—God has given to us, for a future inheritance, the broad domains of the political pagans, that shall yet come and lie down under the shade of our ark, without bloody hands being lifted. God has predestinated, mankind expects, great things from our race; and great things we feel in our souls. The rest of the nations must soon be in our rear. We are the pioneers of the world; the advance-guard, sent on through the wilderness of untried things, to break a new path in the New World that is ours. In our youth is our strength; in our inexperience, our wisdom. At a period when other nations have but lisped, our deep voice is heard afar. Long enough, have we been skeptics with regard to ourselves, and doubted whether, indeed, the political Messiah had come. But he has come in us, if we would but give utterance to his promptings. And let us always remember that with ourselves, almost for the first time in the history of earth, national selfishness is unbounded philanthropy; for we can not do a good to America but we give alms to the world.

Bunch of flapdoodle regardless.

247 calochortus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:45:59pm

re: #244 JeffFX

It’s fluff to get eyeballs and ad-dollars without offending anyone. If you address the real mysteries, people will get mad.

Or bored. You know, getting all professorial and stuff.

248 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:46:41pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

I know, i got into it with someone on Twitter over that. She was civil, but seemed sworn and determined to prove the media sandbagged Romney. The exchange petered out with her saying it didn’t matter much now, which i agreed to as a way to end things gracefully. Facts always matter, of course, but my mother did teach me to always be polite and gracious with a lady.

That really is the last refuge now of the wingnuts, “The media’s totally in the tank for Obama/Democrats!” How do they reach that conclusion? Because the media doesn’t resemble WND or NewsMax, which they’re sure are reporting the real news about just how evil Obama is and how Democrats are destroying America.

249 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:47:36pm

lol

ACTUAL TWAIN QUOTE

“This nation is like all the others that have been spewed upon the earth—ready to shout for any cause that will tickle its vanity or fill its pocket. What a hell of a heaven it will be when they get all these hypocrites assembled there!”

250 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:47:42pm

re: #235 JeffFX

They accepted the snake when they were three years old, and have believed it since. Now we want them to discard all that deep-seated “knowledge” for something completely different that’s way above their ability to understand themselves, so they would also have to accept on faith.

It’s a really bad situation, and I’m not smart enough to know how to educate them out of their absurd worldview.

I started reading pretty young, and I remember picking up one of those children’s Bible storybooks with all those mawkish illustrations of beatific-looking people and reading through it. At no point did it even occur to me to take those stories literally. It was so easy for me to tell the difference between a fictional story, a myth or legend, and a literal, historical account. When I learned people actually took those stories literally I was like “Whaaattt?”

251 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:48:07pm

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

but my mother did teach me to always be polite and gracious with a lady.

I think we can be a little more modern and hold people who spread falsehoods accountable,and not even consider whether or not they have a vagina. People are people.

252 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:49:18pm

re: #237 b_sharp

Poor oppressed majority. Christians, whites, and men (even though they hold power majority, not numeric majority) are all subjected to horrible restrictions by everybody else.

Can you imagine what it must be like for a Christian white male?

I was at Walmart this afternoon, they were auctioning off Christian White Males and even with a 10% markdown, nobody was buying.

253 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:52:52pm

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

Well now we get to see how people act when they’re brought down a rung by no longer being totally in control.

Oh the whining.

So this is a lesson, when people say that they’re victims, there’s a good chance that that ISN’T what’s going on.

254 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:53:21pm

re: #249 dragonath

lol

ACTUAL TWAIN QUOTE

And it’s not Twain. It’s Melville.

255 TedStriker  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:54:13pm

re: #241 Targetpractice

If anything, they’ve taken the recent announcement that Jeeps will be built in China for local consumption as “proof” that Romney was some sort of modern Nostradamus.

All while moving at warp speed to distance themselves from him, because Romney (the GOP establishment candidate) lost what was, in their minds, a sure thing.

256 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:54:20pm

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

I was at Walmart this afternoon, they were auctioning off Christian White Males and even with a 10% markdown, nobody was buying.

Walmart does have a large surplus right now, but I did actually pick up a couple. They help minimize my own flaws by providing a sharp contrast to someone much worse. Everyone should have one or two around.

257 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:55:02pm

re: #256 JeffFX

:/

258 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:55:25pm

re: #254 Gus

And it’s not Twain. It’s Melville.

Good thing Fake Quote Slayer is not reading this thread. :)

259 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:55:49pm

re: #256 JeffFX

Walmart does have a large surplus right now, but I did actually pick up a couple. They help minimize my own flaws by providing a sharp contrast to someone much worse. Everyone should have one or two around.

Do they come with ammo or do you have to buy that separately?

260 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:56:08pm

re: #257 stabby

:/

LOL

261 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:57:27pm

re: #251 JeffFX

I think we can be a little more modern and hold people who spread falsehoods accountable,and not even consider whether or not they have a vagina. People are people.

Uh uh, not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. For a man to call a woman out as wrongheaded isn’t the same as when another woman does it.

262 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:57:29pm

re: #259 Vicious Babushka

Well they do require periodic ammo.

Also you could consider getting some of your own so you can return fire.

263 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:58:08pm

re: #254 Gus

And it’s not Twain. It’s Melville.

Ken Burns would never steer me wrong… or would he?

264 Tigger2005  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:58:42pm

re: #259 Vicious Babushka

Do they come with ammo or do you have to buy that separately?

The assault rifle accessory model is exclusive to JCPenney:

[Link: www.rawstory.com…]

265 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:58:46pm

re: #263 dragonath

Ken Burns would never steer me wrong… or would he?

See #246.

266 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:59:01pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Uh uh, not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. For a man to call a woman out as wrongheaded isn’t the same as when another woman does it.

I think the people around me are a lot more modern than the people around you. I trust your judgement on your own environment.

267 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:59:02pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

hallelujah, I’m a nerd
hallelujah, nerd again!

268 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 6:59:15pm

LOL

269 calochortus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:00:31pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Uh uh, not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. For a man to call a woman out as wrongheaded isn’t the same as when another woman does it.

Seriously? You can’t really debate a woman because she is… well what? Why can’t you tell a woman she’s wrong? We aren’t a separate, incredibly delicate (physically or mentally) species.

270 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:00:50pm

re: #268 Vicious Babushka

But act crazy with your guns, and the police will take them, reinforcing your paranoid delusions. It’s not pretty.

271 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:01:25pm

*face palm*

272 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:02:21pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Uh uh, not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. For a man to call a woman out as wrongheaded isn’t the same as when another woman does it.

You’re GHW Bush and I claim my £5

273 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:02:31pm

re: #259 Vicious Babushka

Do they come with ammo or do you have to buy that separately?

They come with 40 rounds of 5.56x45mm, the good stuff with a 69-grain Sierra Matchking bullet. The 40-rounds box is inside a larger box that also includes a 40-round magazine, which mocks Barack Obama by being built in Cook County*. So once you get to the range you can have your White Christian Male celebrate freedom by pouring gunfire downrange.

///

*: The new type of ammo I reference really does exist, as do the 40 rounds mags made in Elk Grove Village, IL.

274 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:03:24pm

re: #269 calochortus

Seriously? You can’t really debate a woman because she is… well what? Why can’t you tell a woman she’s wrong? We aren’t a separate, incredibly delicate (physically or mentally) species.

He knows his environment. We don’t, and may be used to much more progressive people. It’s also possible that he projects his own more historical views onto others. I try to remind myself that everyone’s experience is not my own.

275 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:03:52pm

re: #269 calochortus

Seriously? You can’t really debate a woman because she is… well what? Why can’t you tell a woman she’s wrong? We aren’t a separate, incredibly delicate (physically or mentally) species.

No, because a man verbally smacking down a woman risks coming across as an asshole.

276 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:04:56pm

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

*face palm*

[headdesk]

277 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:06:02pm

re: #271 Vicious Babushka

*face palm*

Well here is the case for that. As soon as someone commits a crime with their gun, the gun is no longer legally owned. Gun nuts took the No True Scotsman argument and ran with it.

278 sagehen  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:08:16pm

re: #235 JeffFX

They accepted the snake when they were three years old, and have believed it since. Now we want them to discard all that deep-seated “knowledge” for something completely different that’s way above their ability to understand themselves, so they would also have to accept on faith.

It’s a really bad situation, and I’m not smart enough to know how to educate them out of their absurd worldview.

When I was three years old and asked my mommy where babies came from, she gave me a story suitable for a three-year-old. It most certainly wasn’t medically, physically true, although I suppose there was some metaphorical truth to it. Years later, when I was capable of understanding and needed to know, I was given more accurate information.

279 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:08:31pm

re: #261 Dark_Falcon

Uh uh, not gonna do it. Wouldn’t be prudent. For a man to call a woman out as wrongheaded isn’t the same as when another woman does it.

So if you’re a passenger in a vehicle being driven by a woman and you suddenly noticed that she’s making a beeline for a concrete wall at 100 MPH you wouldn’t start screaming at her about being slightly wrongheaded?

280 calochortus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:09:03pm

re: #274 JeffFX

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

I favor being civil to virtually everyone, so I wouldn’t like to be out and out rude in an argument, regardless of whom I was debating. The problem is that chivalry has been used far too often to exclude women from positions of authority, power or respect. I’m not suggesting that Dark is trying to do this, but as the intellectual equal of men, I don’t want to be treated as something different and delicate. I can take it, and so can most women.

281 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:09:44pm

re: #277 Mich-again

Well here is the case for that. As soon as someone commits a crime with their gun, the gun is no longer legally owned. Gun nuts took the No True Scotsman argument and ran with it.

They want to believe that gun-nuts like themselves are heroes, so anyone who becomes violent is obviously an out-group.

The mental leaps we take to feel good about ourselves are truly fascinating.

282 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:10:09pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

No, because a man verbally smacking down a woman risks coming across as an asshole.

The most protected class at least in my FB page are the wingnut veterans. They can say anything they like and no can ever question them because they speak for all veterans who all hate Obama because he is the worstest president ever. If someone disagrees with them they go into the victim mode and accuse people of hating the military.

283 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:10:38pm

re: #265 Gus

Haha, I know. Just wanted to get in a word from the real Twain himself.

284 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:10:47pm

LOL WIN

285 sagehen  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:11:42pm

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

I was at Walmart this afternoon, they were auctioning off Christian White Males and even with a 10% markdown, nobody was buying.

Were they guaranteed heterosexual?

286 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:11:42pm

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

LOL WIN

Favorited and Retweeted.

287 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:11:51pm

re: #282 Mich-again

Can you draw some sane vets into the conversation? I would think that would undermine their attempt to project their idiocy onto all veterans.

288 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:12:12pm

re: #285 sagehen

Were they guaranteed heterosexual?

I don’t know, maybe that’s why the markdown. :)

289 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:13:15pm

re: #282 Mich-again

The most protected class at least in my FB page are the wingnut veterans. They can say anything they like and no can ever question them because they speak for all veterans who all hate Obama because he is the worstest president ever. If someone disagrees with them they go into the victim mode and accuse people of hating the military.

Sounds like the old LGF.

290 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:14:08pm

BWAHAHA Cause that worked out so well the first time!

291 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:14:41pm

re: #279 Gus

So if you’re a passenger in a vehicle being driven by a woman and you suddenly noticed that she’s making a beeline for a concrete wall at 100 MPH you wouldn’t start screaming at her about being slightly wrongheaded?

If there were others in the vehicle, yes I’d scream. If it were just me and her, probably not.

292 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:14:45pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

Wow. Slow learners.

293 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:15:41pm

re: #284 Vicious Babushka

LOL WIN

That’s nasty, divisive, and really, really funny.

294 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:15:56pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

If there were others in the vehicle, yes I’d scream. If it were just me and her, probably not.

What about Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi? :D

295 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:16:07pm

re: #279 Gus

So if you’re a passenger in a vehicle being driven by a woman and you suddenly noticed that she’s making a beeline for a concrete wall at 100 MPH you wouldn’t start screaming at here about being slightly wrongheaded?

When I die, I want to pass away quietly in my sleep, like Grandpa. Not screaming and crying like the passengers in the car he was driving.

296 Jalal bin Smokin?  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:16:43pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHA Cause that worked out so well the first time!

That’s kinda the problem with the EU. A bunch of strong states all doing their own thing, tied together by a weak central government. It wreaks havoc on their monetary unit.

297 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:16:46pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHA Cause that worked out so well the first time!

Yeah, right up until the next state over is dumping toxic sludge into your drinking water. Who do you whine to then?

298 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:16:50pm

re: #287 JeffFX

Can you draw some sane vets into the conversation? I would think that would undermine their attempt to project their idiocy onto all veterans.

Nope. Not worth the effort. There is an old saying about arguing with fools.. I try to steer clear of overtly political stuff there. More for family stuff.

299 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:17:35pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

If there were others in the vehicle, yes I’d scream. If it were just me and her, probably not.

Yikes, thanks for the honesty, but you’re now officially wound so tight that you’re at physical risk!

300 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:17:36pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

No, because a man verbally smacking down a woman risks coming across as an asshole.

Yeah, that is an incredibly bad argument.

You can either stand on your own two feet or not.

If you are that worried about how you are perceived, perhaps you need some training in effective communication skills.

It may not be What you are Saying, but How you are saying it.

301 calochortus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:17:37pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

If there were others in the vehicle, yes I’d scream. If it were just me and her, probably not.

So you’d rather let her die than warn her? Remind me not to drive you anywhere.

302 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:17:55pm

re: #297 Targetpractice

Yeah, right up until the next state over is dumping toxic sludge into your drinking water. Who do you whine to then?

WHINING IS 4 LIBRULZ!1! WE TAEK ARE GUNZ AND INVADE THEM POLLUTIN SUMBITCHES!1!

303 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:19:37pm

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

Yet, that’s probably exactly what they’d do. 25 little civil wars flaring across the country, as old rivalries and modern disagreements turned into armed conflicts.

304 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:19:47pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

If there were others in the vehicle, yes I’d scream. If it were just me and her, probably not.

When my wife is driving I find myself saying these two words a lot.. Green light. For some reason, she never seems to notice that the red light has turned green till either I inform her or the car behind us beeps the horn.

305 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:19:47pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

His “Thinkin” is stinkin’.

306 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:20:14pm

This solicitation on FedBizOps (www.fbo.gov) has a number of wingnuts in a snit. The DHS is planning to buy 7,000 ‘personal defense weapons’ in 5.56x45mm caliber for the federal government. As with DHS ammunition orders, the wingnuts are convinced the guns are to be used on them.

307 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:20:24pm
308 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:21:30pm

re: #293 JeffFX

I thought divisive meant “black”… Maybe I got confused trying to understand that word in context.

309 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:22:19pm

Dark, I don’t say this to be mean, but because I consider you a neighbor and I like you.

I really think you could benefit from therapy. I think it’s critical to your leading a healthy, happy, emotionally-balanced life.

You have so much to gain, please consider my words.

310 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:22:38pm

re: #303 Targetpractice

Yet, that’s probably exactly what they’d do. 25 little civil wars flaring across the country, as old rivalries and modern disagreements turned into armed conflicts.

Yeah because nothing says “necessary to the security of a free state” like lardbutt wingnut militias waging insurrections all over the backwoods of the country.

311 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:22:56pm

re: #301 calochortus

So you’d rather let her die than warn her? Remind me not to drive you anywhere.

Good point. Given that, I’d have to act.

312 sagehen  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:23:01pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

This solicitation on FedBizOps (www.fbo.gov) has a number of wingnuts in a snit. The DHS is planning to buy 7,000 ‘personal defense weapons’ in 5.56x45mm caliber for the federal government. As with DHS ammunition orders, the wingnuts are convinced the guns are to be used on them.

of course.

It’s not like weapons are ever issued to FBI agents, or park rangers, or Marshalls — an even if they are, there can’t possibly be 7000 of them, right?

313 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:23:16pm

re: #308 stabby

I thought divisive meant “black”… Maybe I got confused trying to understand that word in context.

You’re right, blacks are also divisive with their having a different skin-tone and all.

314 engineer cat  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:24:09pm

“as bad as ten slaughterhouses is one oil-presser’s wheel, as bad as ten oil presser’s wheels is one inn sign, as bad as ten inn signs is one harlot, as bad as ten harlots is one king”

- the mahabharata

not sure what they had against the oil pressers…

315 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:24:38pm

Obama is the most divisive president ever. Why does Obama have to be so divisive? The gridlock in Washington is Obama’s fault for being so divisive.

See how that works? I was so SURE it meant “black”!

316 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:24:55pm

re: #310 Mich-again

Yeah because nothing says “necessary to the security of a free state” like lardbutt wingnut militias waging insurrections all over the backwoods of the country.

Thing that scares me more is, without a centralized government, who exactly is providing our military? Even the National Guard answers to the federal government. If we split up into 50 quarreling nation-states, do we divvy up the Armed Forces amongst the states?

317 sagehen  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:25:50pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

Thing that scares me more is, without a centralized government, who exactly is providing our military? Even the National Guard answers to the federal government. If we split up into 50 quarreling nation-states, do we divvy up the Armed Forces amongst the states?

Each Colonel decides for his unit.

318 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:27:06pm

re: #316 Targetpractice

Thing that scares me more is, without a centralized government, who exactly is providing our military? Even the National Guard answers to the federal government. If we split up into 50 quarreling nation-states, do we divvy up the Armed Forces amongst the states?

Red Fuddrich, sovereign protector of MontanablueskyCo!

319 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:27:39pm

re: #315 stabby

Obama is the most divisive president ever. Why does Obama have to be so divisive? The gridlock in Washington is Obama’s fault for being so divisive.

See how that works? I was so SURE it meant “black”!

I agree, he really is of African descent and not rednecky at all. This is an OUTRAGE!

320 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:28:05pm

You know that militia thing worries me in this sense. If all the old paranoid, racist, born again nuts get guns, start patrolling George Zimmerman style, then all of the sane people like me will have to run screaming!

Why can’t militias just fucking be illegal like they are in any sane fucking country?

A Dutch friend of mine was talking about the US this morning (we were on skype) and he said he was happy to be in a country that has a lot fewer crazy people. Am I going to have to move to the Netherlands?

321 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:30:29pm

re: #320 stabby

I wouldn’t worry so much. As soon as any of them act-out, law enforcement will put them down. The state rightly holds a monopoly on legal violence, and won’t tolerate vigilantes for long.

322 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:32:46pm

The black and white, “either/or”, worldview of the fundamentalist Christians in this country is what drives them to the conclusion that they are being victimized.

To them, in their view, either you are “for them or against them”. The idea that peaceful co-existence requires all in a group to accept that any subset of them cannot absolutely rule over all the others doesn’t fit with the concept of a “kingdom” where their “king” is supposed to be absolute.

Secularism by nature refutes the contemporary American fundamentalist idea of “Kingdom of God” as a manifested, Earthly political entity. The fundamentalists in this country have over the past 40 years increasingly moved away from the older view that separated politics from their ecclesiastical organizations, just as the rest of society has become even less “Christian” in the old Protestant sense. This is essentially the phenomenon of “Dominionism”.

That one American political party is now tied to this Dominionist worldview will spell doom for it, as I think the majority of Americans at heart still embrace the older, secular view of government. Only through careful manipulation (advertising theory and practices) have the wealthy GOP backers manipulated the fine line between employing an army of dominionists on the ground vs. saving their own, often libertine, lifestyles.

323 dragonath  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:34:46pm

re: #320 stabby

A Dutch friend of mine was talking about the US this morning (we were on skype) and he said he was happy to be in a country that has a lot fewer crazy people. Am I going to have to move to the Netherlands?

The Netherlands …or the Netherworld?

324 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:35:20pm

This country is so raw.. When I was a kid writing video games I might have tried to make shooting games to mock this crap, but I wouldn’t do that now.

A “how many 5 year olds can you shoot before the cops get you” game could be played with large clips or small clips >.>

Or a stalk and shoot the black kid carrying tea and skittles and on the phone with his girlfriend game…

If you shoot any other little kid walking by it will tell you you’re ok as long as he’s black and point out that the real Zimmerman called 911 once on an 8 year old

325 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:37:40pm

By the way it’s amazing how the Zimmerman fans didn’t lose a beat when during the arraignment hearing a neighbor girl said that he’d molested her…

326 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:37:45pm
327 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:38:06pm

.. I sure couldn’t put THAT part in a game.

328 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:38:30pm

re: #323 dragonath

The Netherlands …or the Netherworld?

Beetlejuice!

329 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:39:51pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Beetlejuice!

x2 —Beetlejuice!

330 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:41:01pm

re: #325 stabby

By the way it’s amazing how the Zimmerman fans didn’t lose a beat when during the arraignment hearing a neighbor girl said that he’d molested her…

Eh?

331 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:43:03pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

google for it…

332 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:43:57pm

re: #329 FemNaziBitch

x2 —Beetlejuice!

[smiles] It’s showtime.

333 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:45:12pm

re: #325 stabby

By the way it’s amazing how the Zimmerman fans didn’t lose a beat when during the arraignment hearing a neighbor girl said that he’d molested her…

A violent authoritarian molested a powerless child? Say it ain’t so!

This shit is never a surprise.

334 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:45:18pm

re: #290 Vicious Babushka

BWAHAHA Cause that worked out so well the first time!


The first request of these rugged individualists is that someone else begin the festivities.

335 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:46:25pm

re: #333 JeffFX

A violent authoritarian molested a powerless child? Say it ain’t so!

This shit is never a surprise.

That’s not how I interpreted it at all.

More like a retarded man who liked to play cop like his dad but couldn’t be one picked on a girl who didn’t threaten him, ie closer to his own mental age.

336 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:46:43pm

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

337 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:47:26pm

re: #306 Dark_Falcon

This solicitation on FedBizOps (www.fbo.gov) has a number of wingnuts in a snit. The DHS is planning to buy 7,000 ‘personal defense weapons’ in 5.56x45mm caliber for the federal government. As with DHS ammunition orders, the wingnuts are convinced the guns are to be used on them.

Post corrected to link to the solicitation.

338 Varek Raith  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:47:42pm

re: #334 jaunte

Please proceed, wingnut.

339 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:48:19pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

I’m really sorry to hear about; hope things turn out well.

340 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:48:56pm

Regarding communication skills:

I want a new ring.” Emphasizing the word “I” in the sentence puts the focus on the subject. I am the one who wants a new ring. It’s all about me.
“I want a new ring.” Stressing the word “want” puts the focus on the verb. A new ring is what I want, even if I don’t need it.
“I want a new ring.” Stressing the word “a” puts the focus on a single item. Now it means that I want only one single new ring.
“I want a new ring.” Emphasizing the word “new” places the focus on a particular feature of the ring. The ring I want has to be a new one. Nothing else will do.
“I want a new ring.” The important thing now is what I want, the object. The only thing I want is a new ring; nothing else.

Now, I think most people get this and work to use the skills effectively in business. I found it most difficult to translate those skills into my most valued personal relationships. That took therapy. Why? I don’t know.

I just know it’s an ongoing challenge and I I’m never sorry I continue to try.

341 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:49:40pm

For God’s sake, this idiot cruised neighborhoods, with a gun, yes. And he called 911 whenever he saw a black child.

[Trayvon Martin, by the way, was at that point going to his father’s fiance’s house that was in Zimmerman’s gated community. The wingnuts never admit that.]

Anyway, my point is who the fuck calls 911 whenever they see a black boy? HE IS RETARDED.

342 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:49:54pm

re: #336 Gus

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

naw, you are always guilty

:0

343 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:50:20pm

re: #332 Dark_Falcon

[smiles] It’s showtime.

need one more.

344 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:50:32pm

re: #334 jaunte

The first request of these rugged individualists is that someone else begin the festivities.

It’s not just the conservatives. An associate who self-identifies as an anarchist once told me that he can’t wait to see it all burn. I told him “so, start setting fires,” knowing damn well that other people were supposed to tear it all down.

Most destructive idiots love to talk, but fortunately are incapable of action.

345 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:51:22pm

Beatlejuice!

346 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:51:50pm

re: #345 stabby

Beatlejuice!

[Embedded content]

Nothing happened on my end.

347 jaunte  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:51:58pm

“Any One? I’m Thinkin we’d do ALOT better with a new ring.”

348 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:53:24pm

re: #346 FemNaziBitch

Nothing happened on my end.

oh, wait, you spelled it wrong.

Doesn’t count. :(

349 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:53:31pm

re: #335 stabby

That’s not how I interpreted it at all.

More like a retarded man who liked to play cop like his dad but couldn’t be one picked on a girl who didn’t threaten him, ie closer to his own mental age.

That’s very charitable of you. Zimmerman seems as dumb as any wingnut, but I’ve seen no indication that he’s retarded.

350 Mich-again  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:53:58pm

re: #320 stabby

Am I going to have to move to the Netherlands?

Why wooden shoe stay here with us and beat back the orcs?

351 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:53:59pm

wrong scene anyway. She doesn’t say it 3 times.

352 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:55:46pm

re: #331 stabby

google for it…

The only molestation accusations I know of involving Zimmerman were those from a family friend who’s two years younger than he.

353 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:56:31pm

re: #336 Gus

Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat.

瓜田李下

354 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:56:37pm

re: #347 jaunte

“Any One? I’m Thinkin we’d do ALOT better with a new ring.”

This is a nice one.

355 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:56:43pm

re: #347 jaunte

“Any One? I’m Thinkin we’d do ALOT better with a new ring.”

Well, you could use this one. It was taken from a dwarf. Didn’t do too much for him, but its said to have more power on a Man’s finger.

//

356 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:57:05pm

re: #349 JeffFX

That’s very charitable of you. Zimmerman seems as dumb as any wingnut, but I’ve seen no indication that he’s retarded.

socially???

357 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:58:28pm

re: #352 Targetpractice

ah, I didn’t pay any attention to details.

so it was molestation in terms of action rather than age.

358 Gus  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:59:12pm

re: #353 freetoken

瓜田李下

That’s why we have courts. Not really in the mood for any heavy breathing hysteria right now either.

359 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 7:59:35pm

re: #357 stabby

ah, I didn’t pay any attention to details.

so it was molestation in terms of action rather than age.

It was a woman calling into the police with no direct connection to the case, making accusations to which she has no evidence, and accusing him of being a racist because he stated he doesn’t like Obama.

Thin gruel.

360 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:00:54pm

We can argue about the specifics . ..

I am willing to say that Zimmerman has an “issues” with violence.

He is also very good at making sure nothing he does crosses the line into “technical” criminal behavior.

Personally, I think that is a very scary combination.

361 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:01:10pm

re: #359 Targetpractice

It was a woman calling into the police with no direct connection to the case, making accusations to which she has no evidence, and accusing him of being a racist because he stated he doesn’t like Obama.

Thin gruel.

Must concur. Unless such a charge can be substantiated by something other than her word, its grossly prejudicial and should have no bearing whatsoever on Zimmerman’s trial.

362 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:02:01pm

re: #358 Gus

That’s why we have courts. Not really in the mood for any heavy breathing hysteria right now either.

The Japanese phrase means literally: melon field, under plum tree.

The idea being that appearances of guilt matter. In the Japanese case the implication of someone who practices wandering in melon fields and hanging around under fruit trees are also stealing some of the food.

363 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:02:38pm

It is pretty amazing. I was in arguments about Trayvon Martin on PJ media back when this broke.

That’s when I saw how DEEPLY racist the crowd there was.

Cause then it wasn’t “black man has the most powerful position in the entire world” which will unmask the the most hidden racism.

It was “can I shoot any black boy who walks into my block?”

You ask “what did Trayvon Martin do wrong?” and the answer is “be in the wrong neighborhood” but he WASN’T in the wrong neighborhood. So what did he do wrong again? He was being stalked by some creepy man in a truck? Didn’t he have the right to defend himself?

Well no.. he was black and they hate blacks… all of them.

364 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:05:10pm

re: #363 stabby

It is pretty amazing. I was in arguments about Trayvon Martin on PJ media back when this broke.

That’s when I saw how DEEPLY racist the crowd there was.

Cause then it wasn’t “black man has the most powerful position in the entire world” which will unmask the the most hidden racism.

It was “can I shoot any black boy who walks into my block?”

You ask “what did Trayvon Martin do wrong?” and the answer is “be in the wrong neighborhood” but he WASN’T in the wrong neighborhood. So what did he do wrong again? He was being stalked by some creepy man in a truck? Didn’t he have the right to defend himself?

Well no.. he was black and they hate blacks… all of them.

Why did Zimmerman get out of the truck?

365 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:05:56pm

re: #360 FemNaziBitch

I’m not sure he’s good. I think there was talk that his magistrate dad helped cover for him.

366 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:08:02pm

re: #359 Targetpractice

I see. When you feel up a girl, how much evidence do you leave?

367 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:09:37pm

re: #366 stabby

I see. When you feel up a girl, how much evidence do you leave?

How old were they when these events allegedly happened?

368 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:10:04pm

re: #341 stabby

Anyway, my point is who the fuck calls 911 whenever they see a black boy? HE IS RETARDED.

He’s stupid, not retarded.

I’m going to share my weird belief with you. I don’t often take the time to explain this to people, as it’s only going to get me an odd look from most people.

I’m actually somewhat sympathetic to what I think you’re saying, because I’m a strict materialist that won’t believe in free-will until someone either demonstrates a mechanism to create free will in a meat machine that’s just a small part of a mechanistic universe of causes and effects that started with the Big Bang, or I go supernaturalist in my old age. Quantum randomness doesn’t help me, because that places the degree of freedom in a random factor, rather than my consciousness, and just results in a universe with no free-will that can play out in more than one way if a god ran the process multiple times.

I think we’re all effects of that first cause, conscious matter that believes it’s making choices when acting the only way it could based on existing inputs, so no one can actually help what they are, their life just plays out as it always would have.

I also believe that behaving as if this is true makes for a shitty life, so I act as if I have free-will, but my beliefs enable me to see myself in any other person’s shoes if I’d received their DNA, nutrition and upbringing, because that’s all we are.

369 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:10:41pm

re: #364 FemNaziBitch

I would assume he got out of the truck to confront the boy on his blatant and disrespectful skittles eating, tea drinking and phone talking.

Or was it is for being black.

I forget what the bad thing was.

370 Political Atheist  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:12:06pm

re: #144 reine.de.tout

(((RDT)))

May the Roi gain strength and some ability to get around. Your clear deep love and loyalty will make all the difference no matter what the outcome.

371 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:12:46pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

Must concur. Unless such a charge can be substantiated by something other than her word, its grossly prejudicial and should have no bearing whatsoever on Zimmerman’s trial.

The thing is that criminals who commit such crimes are sure to leave no evidence, no witness.

The victim is them scrutinized.

I’ve known a few assholes in my life. I have little doubt that some self-proclaimed vigilante who drives around a gated-community with a gun looking for “suspicious” people instead of locking his own doors and staying home and minding his own business is the kind of asshole would “take” what he wants from a girl/women if he thought he could get away with it.

372 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:13:33pm

re: #369 stabby

I would assume he got out of the truck to confront the boy on his blatant and disrespectful skittles eating, tea drinking and phone talking.

Or was it is for being black.

I forget what the bad thing was.

:)

373 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:13:40pm

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

socially???

Sure, all wingnuts have personality disorders, but I don’t know if we can define it as retardation if half the population has it, even if it’s the slower half of the population.

374 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:13:45pm

re: #368 JeffFX

shorter jeff, there is no free will therefor really stupid people aren’t retarded….

all i can do is nod and wonder what’s on tv.

375 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:15:40pm

re: #373 JeffFX

Sure, all wingnuts have personality disorders, but I don’t know if we can define it as retardation if half the population has it, even if it’s the slower half of the population.

“retardation” is an archaic term and Yes, I agree it shouldn’t be used in conversation.

Perhaps in scientific journals where it’s meaning is clear. (“x” plant growth was retarded by the toxins introduced … )

376 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:16:52pm

re: #375 FemNaziBitch

I would agree with you if I thought that avoiding offense was a good thing.

In fact I think it’s a bad thing, so we disagree.

377 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:17:58pm

That’s why my avatar is so cute with her knives!

378 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:18:21pm

re: #371 FemNaziBitch

I understand how that could be true, but it would still be inadmissible. In our system of justice guilt must be proven, and the young lady who leveled the accusation cannot supply evidence to support her claim. As such, its prejudicial nature outweighs any possible probative value it might have in a court. That’s why it can’t be allowed in.

379 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:18:28pm

re: #376 stabby

I would agree with you if I thought that avoiding offense was a good thing.

In fact I think it’s a bad thing, so we disagree.

I seem to have missed something in this line of the thread.

I’m not sure it’s worth backtracking.

Can we just agree there is a mis-connect here?

380 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:19:24pm

re: #378 Dark_Falcon

I understand how that could be true, but it would still be inadmissible. In our system of justice guilt must be proven, and the young lady who leveled the accusation cannot supply evidence to support her claim. As such, its prejudicial nature outweighs any possible probative value it might have in a court. That’s why it can’t be allowed in.

Yes, of course.

Guys like Zimmerman are savvy that way.

Eventually he will make a mistake.

381 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:20:07pm

re: #374 stabby

shorter jeff, there is no free will therefor really stupid people aren’t retarded….

all i can do is nod and wonder what’s on tv.

I’m sorry I wasted my time if that’s what you got out of it. Are you drunk? Stupid people aren’t retarded whether there’s free will or not. Words mean things.

382 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:20:59pm

re: #381 JeffFX

I’m sorry I wasted my time if that’s what you got out of it. Are you drunk? Stupid people aren’t retarded whether there’s free will or not. Words mean things.

Naw, it’s just stabby.

best to just let it go.

383 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:21:18pm

re: #380 FemNaziBitch

Yes, of course.

Guys like Zimmerman are savvy that way.

Eventually he will make a mistake.

It is your belief that there is something to the allegations?

384 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:21:24pm

Or I may have skipped a few points in my thinking.

Shorter stabby, I think we should feel as free to offend as people in the 70’s did. Don’t complain that society is too rigid now, ignore society.

385 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:21:30pm

Completely off topic: Does anyone have experience with Genealogical numbering systems?

386 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:22:20pm

re: #380 FemNaziBitch

Yes, of course.

Guys like Zimmerman are savvy that way.

Eventually he will make a mistake.

I must say that I do not assume his guilt as you do. I find his contention of self defense plausible at this time. But ‘plausible’ doesn’t cut it in court either. The standard for a ‘stand-your-ground’ hearing is ‘Preponderance of the Evidence’ and the burden of proof is on the defendant.

387 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:23:21pm

re: #383 Targetpractice

It is your belief that there is something to the allegations?

I think there is a lot of smoke.

Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

Maybe not 10 fires, but at least one.

I think Zimmerman is a criminal who is very good at not being caught.

388 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:23:54pm

re: #384 stabby

Or I may have skipped a few points in my thinking.

Shorter stabby, I think we should feel as free to offend as people in the 70’s did. Don’t complain that society is too rigid now, ignore society.

So, you are big on following the Golden Rule?

389 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:23:58pm

re: #384 stabby

Or I may have skipped a few points in my thinking.

Shorter stabby, I think we should feel as free to offend as people in the 70’s did. Don’t complain that society is too rigid now, ignore society.

Do people tend to avoid you? I find that’s often the case with insensitive, offensive people. They then wind up bitter and lash out at people on blogs, rather than furthering their agenda.

390 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:24:01pm

re: #381 JeffFX

Yes words mean things, and “retarded” means supremely stupid.

391 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:24:07pm

re: #385 freetoken

Completely off topic: Does anyone have experience with Genealogical numbering systems?

Does it involve Math?

392 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:24:48pm

re: #387 FemNaziBitch

I think there is a lot of smoke.

Where there is smoke, there is usually fire.

Maybe not 10 fires, but at least one.

I think Zimmerman is a criminal who is very good at not being caught.

I notice that tends to be the refrain whenever the media demonizes someone for weeks, yet can never go past rumor and coincidence.

393 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:25:01pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

I must say that I do not assume his guilt as you do. I find his contention of self defense plausible at this time. But ‘plausible’ doesn’t cut it in court either. The standard for a ‘stand-your-ground’ hearing is ‘Preponderance of the Evidence’ and the burden of proof is on the defendant.

Ok, now are we talking about guilt as far as molestation or guilt as in Martin’s murder?

394 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:25:09pm

re: #389 JeffFX

What make you think I asked for your approval?

395 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:26:17pm

re: #392 Targetpractice

I notice that tends to be the refrain whenever the media demonizes someone for weeks, yet can never go past rumor and coincidence.

It’s just not a normal or rational to patrol a gated community with a firearm when you have no authority to do so.

Why did he get out of the truck?

396 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:26:27pm

re: #393 FemNaziBitch

Ok, now are we talking about guilt as far as molestation or guilt as in Martin’s murder?

The latter.

397 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:06pm

re: #390 stabby

Yes words mean things, and “retarded” means supremely stupid.

retard

— vb
1. ( tr ) to delay or slow down (the progress, speed, or development) of (something)

— n
2. offensive ( US ) a retarded person
3. offensive ( US ) a foolish person

[Link: dictionary.reference.com…]

For the record, I don’t think you’re retarded, but I do think you’re being stupid and offensive.

398 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:07pm

re: #396 Dark_Falcon

The latter.

I think he is guilty.

I doubt he will be adjudicated as such.

Time will tell.

399 freetoken  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:08pm

re: #391 FemNaziBitch

Does it involve Math?

And writing.

400 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:27pm

re: #394 stabby

What make you think I asked for your approval?

Nothing. I see what you are.

401 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:42pm

re: #395 FemNaziBitch

It’s just not a normal or rational to patrol a gated community with a firearm when you have no authority to do so.

Why did he get out of the truck?

He was appointed head of the neighborhood watch, and he wasn’t on patrol, he was on his way home from the store.

And no, his getting out of his truck was not a criminal act, despite every effort made to characterize it as such.

402 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:27:47pm

re: #399 freetoken

And writing.

Writing I can do.

And, no, I have no experience in that area of research.

:)

403 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:28:00pm

re: #388 FemNaziBitch

I promise not to throw a hissy fit if you use the word “retarded” to mean what it means.

Isn’t that golden rule enough?

404 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:28:25pm

re: #397 JeffFX

Fine, fuck off.

405 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:29:10pm

re: #401 Targetpractice

He was appointed head of the neighborhood watch, and he wasn’t on patrol, he was on his way home from the store.

And no, his getting out of his truck was not a criminal act, despite every effort made to characterize it as such.

I seem to be behind on my facts. It was my understanding he was not an official part of the neighborhood watch.

he called the cops, yes.

He didn’t need to get out of the truck.

as I said, Time will tell.

406 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:29:54pm

re: #397 JeffFX

By the way, retard, you looked up the wrong word.

I used the word “retarded” not the word “retard”

Look the right word up.

407 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:30:13pm

re: #403 stabby

I promise not to throw a hissy fit if you use the word “retarded” to mean what it means.

Isn’t that golden rule enough?

What exactly is a “hissy fit” ?

Never mind, I’m not googling it.

I don’t care.

408 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:30:51pm

re: #404 stabby

Fine, fuck off.

Don’t mind if I do. Have a good night all.

Stabby, go ahead and let the hate consume you, there’s no helping you.

409 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:31:31pm

I’m not full of hate at all, I just don’t like being pushed around for nothing.

410 JeffFX  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:31:42pm

re: #406 stabby

By the way, retard, you looked up the wrong word.

I used the word “retarded” not the word “retard”

Look the right word up.

You’re still just stupid and angry, just like the wingnuts, and not actually retarded.

411 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:31:46pm

Have a great evening all!

412 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:32:54pm

re: #410 JeffFX

Oh really, I’m stupid because I don’t respect you and your PCness?

Aww.

413 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:33:08pm

re: #405 FemNaziBitch

I seem to be behind on my facts. It was my understanding he was not an official part of the neighborhood watch.

he called the cops, yes.

He didn’t need to get out of the truck.

as I said, Time will tell.

He didn’t need to, but he did. Again, not a criminal act. The events that truly matter in all this is the confrontation itself. The state alleges that Zimmerman chased down Martin and then attacked him, the defense alleges that Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman and ultimately was the aggressor.

Right now, the state’s case is thin as wax paper.

414 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:40:41pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

He didn’t need to, but he did. Again, not a criminal act. The events that truly matter in all this is the confrontation itself. The state alleges that Zimmerman chased down Martin and then attacked him, the defense alleges that Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman and ultimately was the aggressor.

Right now, the state’s case is thin as wax paper.

The case may still go to trial though, because Zimmerman is relying on a affirmative defense.

415 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:40:51pm

Hi Lizariods..
The only thing great with the pro bowl was the show Train put on. It was outstanding!
I’m having a guilty pleasure right now.. I’m watching extreme houseboats and yachts..Freaking awesome boats!
The only irritating part is when the owners talk about their houseboat. But I grew up in Napa Valley with most snobs around the world living there, So I’m used to being around the rich and famous..

416 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:44:00pm

re: #414 Dark_Falcon

The case may still go to trial though, because Zimmerman is relying on a affirmative defense.

“Preponderance of evidence” is met by just reading his testimony into the record, as well as witness statements that place Martin atop him at the time of the shot.

417 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:45:52pm

re: #416 Targetpractice

“Preponderance of evidence” is met by just reading his testimony into the record, as well as witness statements that place Martin atop him at the time of the shot.

Not necessarily. The state does have evidence of its own to present. We’re going to have to wait and see.

418 Targetpractice  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:49:02pm

re: #417 Dark_Falcon

Not necessarily. The state does have evidence of its own to present. We’re going to have to wait and see.

Due to Florida “Sunshine” laws, the bulk of the state’s evidence is available for public perusal. Nothing I’ve seen has indicated that Zimmerman’s testimony is in danger of being invalidated.

419 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 8:53:59pm

re: #415 HoosierHoops

You are rich in many ways, famous, well….

420 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:05:02pm

re: #419 Dancing along the light of day

You are rich in many ways, famous, well….

Hi you! Luv ya girl…Hope you are well.

421 Kaessa  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:06:11pm

re: #282 Mich-again

The most protected class at least in my FB page are the wingnut veterans. They can say anything they like and no can ever question them because they speak for all veterans who all hate Obama because he is the worstest president ever. If someone disagrees with them they go into the victim mode and accuse people of hating the military.

I love being able to counter that with my own military service.

422 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:43:31pm

re: #412 stabby

Oh really, I’m stupid because I don’t respect you and your PCness?

Aww.

I think of it this way.
I don’t call people like George Zimmerman retarded because of it being an insult to him - it is an insult to the Trisomy 21 disability sufferers, who shouldn’t have to bear the indignity of being compared to Zimmerman.

423 RadicalModerate  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:49:13pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

He didn’t need to, but he did. Again, not a criminal act. The events that truly matter in all this is the confrontation itself. The state alleges that Zimmerman chased down Martin and then attacked him, the defense alleges that Martin circled back to confront Zimmerman and ultimately was the aggressor.

Right now, the state’s case is thin as wax paper.

I wouldn’t call it as thin as waxed paper, because Zimmerman DID initiate the confrontation, while armed.
There are two undeniable facts here. One: if George Zimmerman did not exit his vehicle, — or Two: If he was not brandishing a handgun when the altercation occurred, Trayvon Martin would very likely be alive today.

424 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 9:50:28pm

re: #422 RadicalModerate

Except that I actually think that the word legitimately applies to someone as off-the-wall, surprisingly stupid as George Zimmerman.

Can you give me any explanation for George Zimmerman calling emergency services when he saw a boy walk out of a convenience store other than severe mental impairment?

How about some point in the past where he called 911 while watching a 1st grade child?

425 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 10:00:45pm

Sigh started searching for that. He wasn’t even ashamed to tell the cops he was watching young children:

36. April 22, 2011 – 7:09 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Suspicious activity
Report: Juvenile black male “apprx 7–9” years old, four feet tall “skinny build short blk hair” last seen wearing a blue t-shirt and blue shorts

TEL means non-911 police number

I actually got a sad seeing what pathetic things he called the police about.

19. Aug. 21, 2009 – 6:57 p.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Conflict
Report: “Landlord is trying to take [Zimmerman’s] money for rent … and home in foreclosure”

13. Nov. 25, 2007 – 12:40 a.m.
Type: TEL
Subject: Disturbance
Report: “Ex roommate is letting people that [Zimmerman] don’t like in the” house

Apparently he called the police about a lot…

426 stabby  Sun, Jan 27, 2013 10:11:03pm

How many crimes do 7 year olds commit anyway? I mean that’s your first thought when you see a 7 year old in your neighborhood “how do I protect people from that evil child!”

Or does George have a screw loose?

427 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jan 28, 2013 10:17:04am

re: #426 stabby

You’d better start dialing back the insults and slurs, or your account will be blocked (again).


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A motion was proposed at the Goldsmiths Students' Assembly yesterday to commemorate Holocaust Memorial Day and victims of genocide.Education officer Sarah El-alfy urged students to vote against the proposal, rejecting it as "eurocentric".This comes a day after it emerged ...

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MichaelJ
Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater’s 540 Air
More: Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater's 540 Air There's a reason why people refer to 11-time world champ Kelly Slater as "the king". This clip/maneuver is yet another ground-breaking moment in the history of surfing.

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Rightwingconspirator
1934 Had Worst Drought of Last Thousand Years-We Made It Worse
"It was the worst by a large margin, falling pretty far outside the normal range of variability that we see in the record," said climate scientist Ben Cook at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. Cook ...

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The Scablands: A scarred landscape as strange as fiction
arstechnica.com

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I Stand With Big Sodomy!
Daniel Johnston-True Love Will Find You In The End.
A simple, imperfect, brilliant song, by a fascinating man. Link

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Bubblehead II
High Court Lifts Hold on Gay Marriage in Idaho
[large]YES![/large] WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court says same-sex marriage can go ahead in Idaho. More: High Court Lifts Hold on Gay Marriage in Idaho [large]YES![/large]

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 Frank says:

This is the exciting part.
This is like the Supremes...
See the way it builds up?
Feel it?