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In Newtown, Gun Nuts Heckle Father of Murdered Child

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In a hearing at the Connecticut state capitol yesterday, pro-gun demonstrators actually heckled the father of a 6-year old boy killed in the Newtown school massacre.

There are no words.

The sometimes boisterous public hearing — after nearly four hours of testimony from State Police, parents of slain Newtown first-graders and city mayors — seemed dominated by gun owners, who railed at more than 90 proposed bills.

“The Second Amendment!” was shouted a couple of times by as many as a dozen gun enthusiasts in the meeting room as Neil Heslin, holding a photo of his slain 6-year-old son, Jesse Lewis, asked why Bushmaster assault-style weapons are allowed to be sold in the state.

“There are a lot of things that should be changed to prevent what happened,” said Heslin, who said he grew up using guns and was undisturbed by the interruption of his testimony.

“That wasn’t just a killing, it was a massacre,” said Heslin, who recalled dropping off his son at Sandy Hook Elementary school shortly before Lanza opened fire. “I just hope some good can come out of this.”

UPDATE at 1/29/13 1:46:44 pm

NBC has video (edited to remove long pauses):

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1 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 5:50:00am

Because these maniacs are convinced that Newtown was a “hoax” engineered to take attention away from BENGHAZI!1!

I wish I was making this up.

2 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 5:55:00am

Every day, the gun nuts more and more resemble 9/11 truthers, down the mocking of victims’ families.

3 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 5:59:40am

Continued investment in fear and anger.

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:06:23am

re: #2 Ian G.

Every day, the gun nuts more and more resemble 9/11 truthers, down the mocking of victims’ families.

The 9/11 truthers were seen by most everyone as marginalized whack jobs. The Newton Truthers have an agenda and national organizations giving them tacit support.

But I see these recent gun tragedies as a powerful emetic, bringing up the wretched bile that has been sloshing about in America’s stomach. Now the GOP has to distance itself from this sort of rhetoric or plant its policies in the midst of a fetid puddle of green puke.

5 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:06:52am

Heckling the father of a dead child who is seeking better protection for other kids. Fan fracking tastic.

6 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:06:56am

“Everyone knows he’s not a grieving father. He’s just one of Obummer’s paid crisis actors. Sandy Hook didn’t happen.”

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7 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:09:59am

The tactic of shouting down the opposition has always worked in the past, these guys are clueless as to why it is not working any more.

8 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:11:30am

re: #4 Sol Berdinowitz

The Newtown truthers are coming out of the woodwork and revealing themselves to be vested in multiple conspiracies (whether it’s birtherism, troofers, or others) - such as the professor who thinks that school shooting are a plot to take your guns away.

Then again, paranoia runs deep in American politics. Fear of government action was a driving force in the nation’s creation, the establishment of the Bill of Rights, and it’s a driving factor in the opposition to even the most benign and sensible firearms regulations (like universal background checks).

9 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:14:46am

I don’t know about you folks, but for me, this is turning into some very scary stuff.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:19:14am

re: #8 lawhawk

The Newtown truthers are coming out of the woodwork and revealing themselves to be vested in multiple conspiracies (whether it’s birtherism, troofers, or others) - such as the professor who thinks that school shooting are a plot to take your guns away.

Then again, paranoia runs deep in American politics. Fear of government action was a driving force in the nation’s creation, the establishment of the Bill of Rights, and it’s a driving factor in the opposition to even the most benign and sensible firearms regulations (like universal background checks).

I understand that people back then were wary of government, Democracy eas a new and untetsed concept. But as far as I know, our government was freely and fairly elected.

The only way to paint our government as tyrannical or as usurpers is to subscribe to birther conspiracy theories and all the other ridiculous postulates of the wingnut worldview.

11 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:22:03am

If you want an example of this lunacy, when I mentioned the shooting to my gun-nut relative, it was replied to with a haughty /sigh followed by “Great! now Obama’s going to come after gun owners!”

Yes, the mind of the enemy. Rotten and soulless, just like those people who would scream at a man who just lost his 6 year-old child. Some asshole shouting “2nd amendment” sounds a lot like a paid NRA plant of some sort.

Some warned that gun ownership is a check on governmental tyranny and charged that Obama has an agenda to disarm them and take away rights guaranteed under the state Constitution and the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

Read more: [Link: www.ctpost.com…]

Again, it’s always the extremes. It’s never “properly regulate weapons so that criminals and crazies can’t access them.” It’s either unfettered access or complete banishment. These fucking people already possess weapons-grade stupidity, that should be enough.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:23:51am

re: #9 RadicalModerate

I don’t know about you folks, but for me, this is turning into some very scary stuff.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

These delusional freaks are hell-bent on forcing a violent showdown, with amoral profiteers like Limbaugh and Jones focusing and inciting their rage at every opportunity. In my darker moments I think it might be best if it did happen. The pathology these people represent would be exposed for what it is, their illusions destroyed, and their dire influence over such things as public education consigned to the dustbin of history. There would be many, many innocent victims, though, and heavy costs in other ways. It would probably cost us our position of world leadership, for example. I do not therefore advocate such a thing, but I think it becomes more likely with each passing day.

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:25:25am

re: #11 Ghost of Tom Joad

If you want an example of this lunacy, when I mentioned the shooting to my gun-nut relative, it was replied to with a haughty /sigh followed by “Great! now Obama’s going to come after gun owners!”

Yes, the mind of the enemy. Rotten and soulless, just like those people who would scream at a man who just lost his 6 year-old child. Some asshole shouting “2nd amendment” sounds a lot like a paid NRA plant of some sort.

Again, it’s always the extremes. It’s never “properly regulate weapons so that criminals and crazies can’t access them.” It’s either unfettered access or complete banishment. These fucking people already possess weapons-grade stupidity, that should be enough.

Probably not a paid plant. The NRAs paid opinion leaders have done a very effective, efficient, job of harnessing volunteer True Believers.

14 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:25:52am

re: #9 RadicalModerate

I don’t know about you folks, but for me, this is turning into some very scary stuff.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

They’re going to goad one of their own into trying something extremely stupid, then scatter like cockroaches when the shit hits the fan.

15 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:27:43am

re: #14 makeitstop

They’re going to goad one of their own into trying something extremely stupid, then scatter like cockroaches when the shit hits the fan.

I think most of them are harmless, just blowing off steam, but all it takes is one unstable personality to be shoved off the edge.

16 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:30:31am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

These delusional freaks are hell-bent on forcing a violent showdown, with amoral profiteers like Limbaugh and Jones focusing and inciting their rage at every opportunity. In my darker moments I think it might be best if it did happen. The pathology these people represent would be exposed for what it is, their illusions destroyed, and their dire influence over such things as public education consigned to the dustbin of history. There would be many, many innocent victims, though, and heavy costs in other ways. It would probably cost us our position of world leadership, for example. I do not therefore advocate such a thing, but I think it becomes more likely with each passing day.

The ‘armed citizenry’ shtick cuts both ways. I want these idiots to be worried about their liberal citizens down the street and across the tracks. Alabama went for Obama around 35%. That’s more than the black population for an anti-confederate 5th column.

17 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:32:01am

re: #15 Vicious Babushka

I think most of them are harmless, just blowing off steam, but all it takes is one unstable personality to be shoved off the edge.

And that’s what worries me most. This sedition talk is becoming more and more comfortable for them, and in their little echo chambers an extreme act will begin to seem more and more acceptable.

The crazy has really ramped up since the election. The unthinkable is now the subject of open discussion. Someone’s going to take it completely the wrong way and try something they shouldn’t.

18 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:38:07am

And the nuts are coming out of the woodwork. Here’s a guy who only wanted to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights in public…but still freaked the fuck out of everyone at the grocery store.

[Link: www.nbc29.com…]

Police say he was cooperative and did nothing illegal. Officers did find a note in his pocket spelling out his intent to express his 2nd Amendment rights. Police say they could not release man’s name because he was not arrested.

National Rifle Association (NRA) instructor Bill Davis says the gun incident was inappropriate and could have turned violent.

“I think it reflects on all gun owners in a bad way,” Davis said. “I’ve talked to six NRA instructors this morning about it. Why did he have that note in his pocket? I think - this is my personal opinion - I think he expected to be shot, so they would have found the note and said he wasn’t doing nothing.”

I call it a dry run to see what it felt like to walk into a soft target loaded to kill. The guy’s got no criminal record, but he’s not well.

19 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:38:35am

This is part of why I caution reasonable gun owners to avoid making arguments which are just “The second amendment!” or “Heller!”. It’s not an actual argument about the topic.

20 Destro  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:43:09am

re: #1 Vicious Babushka

Because these maniacs are convinced that Newtown was a “hoax” engineered to take attention away from BENGHAZI!1!

I wish I was making this up.

I thought that was like an Onion type bad joke being made on here - yet I looked it up and it turned out to be true and almost mainstream for right wing forums to float it about.

Either they are crazy to believe it or they embrace this fantasy because the lie allows them to justify their gun worship position (and no one is taking your guns away with the new proposals)/

21 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:43:34am

re: #14 makeitstop

They’re going to goad one of their own into trying something extremely stupid, then scatter like cockroaches when the shit hits the fan.

That’s the plan. And then when the next tragedy prompts a new round of discussion and subsequent government action, they’ll turn it around and say “look, the government is trying to take away freedoms again!” Rinse, repeat. The NRA and the weapons market see a huge boon in donations and income, a bunch of folks are dead, we get a bunch of useless regulations enacted that won’t do anything to actually limit gun violence.

22 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:44:27am
23 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:45:08am

re: #19 Obdicut

This is part of why I caution reasonable gun owners to avoid making arguments which are just “The second amendment!” or “Heller!”. It’s not an actual argument about the topic.

Indeed.

The Supreme Court has upheld firearms regulations, and even Heller indicated that reasonable regulations can be enacted by Congress and the states. (That was Scalia writing the opinion too - so it’s not as though it’s some liberal gun confiscator).

24 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:46:24am

re: #19 Obdicut

This is part of why I caution reasonable gun owners to avoid making arguments which are just “The second amendment!” or “Heller!”. It’s not an actual argument about the topic.

At this point I think yelling “2nd amendment” is pretty much in the realm of going Godwin in this issue. The longer an argument about guns goes on, the greater chance somebody will mention the 2nd amendment, and it can then be assumed that person has lost said argument.

25 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:48:17am

re: #22 Vicious Babushka

None of the proposed changes would result in gun confiscation other than the problematic provision relating to the mentally ill who possess firearms and who pose a danger to others. No one is going to be taking the guns away, least of all handguns - handguns that are the weapon of choice in over half of all homicides and suicides.

Background checks wont deprive someone of firearms they already have, but could prevent someone who shouldn’t have them from getting them - like felons and could reduce straw/sham sales that allow firearms to get into the hands of those who shouldn’t have them (minors, felons, etc.)

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:51:23am

re: #18 darthstar

And the nuts are coming out of the woodwork. Here’s a guy who only wanted to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights in public…but still freaked the fuck out of everyone at the grocery store.

[Link: www.nbc29.com…]

I call it a dry run to see what it felt like to walk into a soft target loaded to kill. The guy’s got no criminal record, but he’s not well.

NJDHF brought that one up yesterday - and mentioned that he’d been in that very store an hour earlier.

27 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:53:29am

re: #18 darthstar

The guy’s got no criminal record, but he’s not well.

In other words, he has something in common with the majority of the other mass murderers.

28 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:54:05am

So they print the name of the father who lost his son and got heckled by assholes, but they don’t print the name of the assholes who heckled him? If I was a reporter, I would have gotten their names (as defenders of the Second Amendment) then put into the article, “Such local visionaries as Bob Jones, John Smith, etc. took it on themselves to mock Sandy Hook victims in person last night…”

Name them and shame them. See how many of those idiots show up at the next town hall.

29 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:55:11am

re: #28 darthstar

They’d take it as a badge of honor. But I agree that they too should have been identified beyond merely being called hecklers.

30 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:56:44am

re: #28 darthstar

….but they don’t print the name of the assholes who heckled him? .

That would be librul biased reporting. You betcha! *wink*

31 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:58:19am

re: #27 Dr. Matt

In other words, he has something in common with the majority of the other mass murderers.

My point exactly. And the note in his pocket adds a touch of martyr fantasy to his actions. He’s in Virginia…where’s he going to find 72 virgins? Oh, wait…wingnuts don’t believe in that part…yet…thankfully.

32 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:59:33am

re: #29 lawhawk

They’d take it as a badge of honor. But I agree that they too should have been identified beyond merely being called hecklers.

At the least, a reporter asking their names so they could be properly cited for mocking a grieving father would have shut them up on the spot.

33 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:02:58am

re: #16 Decatur Deb

The ‘armed citizenry’ shtick cuts both ways. I want these idiots to be worried about their liberal citizens down the street and across the tracks. Alabama went for Obama around 35%. That’s more than the black population for an anti-confederate 5th column.

One of the nuts’ favorite “take over” fantasies involves seizing the local National Guard armory to prevent the Guard from coming to the aid of any police or citizens who haven’t come over to the nuts’ side. Ironically, this would represent a genuine, literal attempt to disarm a well-regulated militia. It is not absolutely impossible that a gang might seize an armory, they are not heavily guarded after all, but getting to the weapons would be something else again, since physical security is very heavy indeed. This would not keep the guard from mobilizing in any case. Most guardsmen, being members of a well-regulated militia, have privately owned weapons. They would simply meet somewhere else with these weapons in hand, grab more from the local Big Box if necessary (paying with a state check of course), and move forward from there. Even a lightly armed force has many, many advantages when it is properly trained and led and its members are used to working together. I’ve also heard of nuts who think they could hold off federal reinforcements simply by closing the local airport, an easy enough task for an armed mob. In reality, this would probably delay reinforcement for a couple of hours at most, until a helicopter lift and road convoys could be organized.

34 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:04:32am

re: #31 darthstar

My point exactly. And the note in his pocket adds a touch of martyr fantasy to his actions. He’s in Virginia…where’s he going to find 72 virgins? Oh, wait…wingnuts don’t believe in that part…yet…thankfully.

Note in his pocket??? I missed that part of the story……

I’ll hit google.

35 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:08:43am

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

One of the nuts’ favorite “take over” fantasies involves seizing the local National Guard armory to prevent the Guard from coming to the aid of any police or citizens who haven’t come over the nuts’ side. Ironically, this would represent a genuine, literal attempt to disarm a well-regulated militia. It is not absolutely impossible that a gang might seize an armory, they are not heavily guarded after all, but getting to the weapons would be something else again, since physical security is very heavy indeed. This would not keep the guard from mobilizing in any case. Most guardsmen, being members of a well-regulated militia, have privately owned weapons. They would simply meet somewhere else with these weapons in hand, grab more form the local Big Box if necessary (paying with a state check of course), and move forward from there. Even a lightly armed force has many, many advantages when it is properly trained and led and its members are used to working together. I’ve also heard of nuts who think they could hold off federal reinforcements simply by closing the local airport, an easy enough task for an armed mob. In reality, this would probably delay reinforcement for a couple of hours at most, until a helicopter lift and road convoys could be organized.

*yawn* A squadron of drones would easily and efficiently squash their little militia up-rising/hissy fit. Good luck trying to shoot down something they can’t see coming. Hilarity ensues.

36 drool  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:08:50am

I heard the “exchange” in full context on the radio today. It’s a minute or two long. It was being presented by a left leaning news person and even he couldn’t consider it heckling. Mr Heslin twice asked why should people be allowed to have these weapons. It was not until the second time he asked that question that people actually gave him an answer…it was not done disrespectfully…just loud enough to be heard.

37 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:09:52am

re: #33 Shiplord Kirel

The Threeper fantasy depends a lot on ‘Oathkeeper’ defections from the DoD and LE. As long as that is a pipedream, and it is for now, things will be cool. The day a bunch talk themselves into testing the theory will be worth a couple news cycles.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:10:17am

I keep remembering the kook who thought a Barrett .50 rifle could literally knock an APC on its side. Even this fool realized that the super-gun would not stop actual tanks but he postulated that knocking out their infantry support would allow the tanks to be isolated and finished off with molotov cocktails. I guess he thinks the Iraqi insurgents were just too dumb to have thought of this.

39 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:13:20am
40 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:14:06am

re: #36 drool

I heard the “exchange” in full context on the radio today. It’s a minute or two long. It was being presented by a left leaning news person and even he couldn’t consider it heckling. Mr Heslin twice asked why should people be allowed to have these weapons. It was not until the second time he asked that question that people actually gave him an answer…it was not done disrespectfully…just loud enough to be heard.

So you’re confident this story is false?

41 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:14:10am
Georgia man guns down immigrant after GPS sends him to wrong driveway

And yet the gun nuts will continue to believe that more guns is the answer.

42 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:14:53am

re: #34 Dr. Matt

Note in his pocket??? I missed that part of the story……

I’ll hit google.

It’s in the original story. He had a note explaining that he was only expressing his 2nd Amendment rights just in case he didn’t survive his stunt.

43 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:16:49am

re: #42 darthstar

It’s in the original story. He had a note explaining that he was only expressing his 2nd Amendment rights just in case he didn’t survive his stunt.

Thanks. Just read that. I thought he verbally expressed that notion.

44 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:18:16am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

knocking out their infantry support would allow the tanks to be isolated and finished off with molotov cocktails. I guess he thinks the Iraqi insurgents were just too dumb to have thought of this.

I don’t think the insurgents drink alcohol. But finishing off a tank with a cocktail does sound quite civilized.

45 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:19:07am

re: #41 Dr. Matt

And yet the gun nuts will continue to believe that more guns is the answer.

The kid was Cuban. I wonder if the homeowner would have shot at a carload of white kids who arrived in his driveway?

46 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:21:15am

re: #41 Dr. Matt

And yet the gun nuts will continue to believe that more guns is the answer.

Neighborly behavior has turned into paranoia I see. And when I miss turns going places I occasionally turn-around using a convenient driveway. I might have to re-think doing that in the future.

47 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:22:09am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

The kid was Cuban. I wonder if the homeowner would have shot at a carload of white kids who arrived in his driveway?

The shocker is that someone went for murder charges within a day of the shooting. Guy should have moved to Florida.

48 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:22:13am

re: #44 darthstar

I don’t think the insurgents drink alcohol. But finishing off a tank with a cocktail does sound quite civilized.

So when Obama invades Long Island the resistance will bombard the tanks with gin and tonics?
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49 Dr. Matt  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:22:20am

re: #45 Shiplord Kirel

The kid was Cuban. I wonder if the homeowner would have shot at a carload of white kids who arrived in his driveway?

Here is a pic of the murder victim: Rodrigo Abad Diaz. What a fucking travesty.

50 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:23:17am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

So when Obama invades Long Island the resistance will bombard the tanks with gin and tonics?
//

Fuck no…Long Island Tea Party, dude(tte)!

51 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:24:12am

re: #48 Feline Fearless Leader

So when Obama invades Long Island the resistance will bombard the tanks with gin and tonics?
//

3 days at FEMA camp for that.

52 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:24:19am

In all seriousness, I could see myself joining the Long Island Tea Party just for the t-shirt.

53 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:27:51am

Good morning lizards!

My dishwasher broke this morning. It’s the second time in 5 months and it’s only a couple years old. My old one lasted 15 years before it died.

Grrrrrr

54 prairiefire  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:28:25am

re: #52 darthstar

I have not drank one of those in 30 years. They are the “end up sitting on the bathroom floor” kind of cocktails.

55 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:32:18am

re: #54 prairiefire

I have not drank one of those in 30 years. They are the “end up sitting on the bathroom floor” kind of cocktails.

Next time you’re out to a fancy dinner with friends, order one..just for the reactions…then change your mind and have your normal cocktail. I do that sometimes when I’m out with my parents, “Yes, I think I’d like a draft beer with a shot of rootbeer schnapps dropped into it…no…make it a Manhattan”

56 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:33:54am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

My dishwasher broke this morning. It’s the second time in 5 months and it’s only a couple years old. My old one lasted 15 years before it died.

Grrrrrr

Get a Kitchen Aid. GE sucks. (How do I know you have a GE? I used to have 1)

57 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:34:17am

OT:

Severe storms are expected across the Central US and into the Southeast. Tornado outbreak possible, and damaging straight line winds likely as a front moves through ushering in colder air.

Areas affected: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, northern Louisiana, southeastern Missouri, western Mississippi and southwestern Tennessee.

As these storms are likely to produce significant damage, sufficient enough to warrant disaster declarations, I can’t wait for their Congressional representatives in the House and Senate to get up and demand disaster aid right after they just got through voting against it for Sandy victims. Watch as they go into full pretzel logic mode about how they shouldn’t be constrained by offsetting cuts for their disaster aid, while demanding the same with Sandy aid and voting against because it didn’t have that provision. The hypocrisy and irony will be palpable.

And yes, I’m looking at the likes of John Cornyn and James Inhofe in particular.

58 jaunte  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:36:17am

re: #8 lawhawk

Then again, paranoia runs deep in American politics. Fear of government action was a driving force in the nation’s creation, the establishment of the Bill of Rights, and it’s a driving factor in the opposition to even the most benign and sensible firearms regulations (like universal background checks).

The conspiracy-minded in Texas have been freaking out overnight over this story:
Army drill scares residents on Houston’s south side

From comments at TheBlaze:

It appears most of this is activity is happing in the south. Maybe Obama is afraid the south will rise again and he well be placed in chains. Someone knows what this is all about but is not talking.

59 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:37:43am

re: #56 Vicious Babushka

Get a Kitchen Aid. GE sucks. (How do I know you have a GE? I used to have 1)

It’s a Kenmore. I love it when it works. I am disappointed that it breaks easy. In august I replaced the Control panel. Now this. I think it’s the thermal fuse this time but i’m still investigating. It’s not expensive to fix but it’s a pain in the ass.

60 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:38:07am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

I have a Kenmore, and it required a repair within 6 months of purchase - a loose fitting caused the thing to flood out. Otherwise, I’ve been very happy with it - super quiet and does a great job washing dishes.

Brands with good repair records from best to worst (via CR): Bosch, Whirlpool Miele, Kenmore, and then GE. Maytag and LG are at the bottom of the heap. GE towards the middle.

61 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:40:17am

re: #55 darthstar

Next time you’re out to a fancy dinner with friends, order one..just for the reactions…then change your mind and have your normal cocktail. I do that sometimes when I’m out with my parents, “Yes, I think I’d like a draft beer with a shot of rootbeer schnapps dropped into it…no…make it a Manhattan”

Long Island Ice Tea is the lowest of the low. “Let’s put all these different liquors in a glass and then try to hide the crappy taste with coke.”

When I’m trying to get hammered (which is vanishingly rare nowadays) it’s gin martinis all the way.

62 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:41:47am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

It’s a Kenmore. I love it when it works. I am disappointed that it breaks easy. In august I replaced the Control panel. Now this. I think it’s the thermal fuse this time but i’m still investigating. It’s not expensive to fix but it’s a pain in the ass.

Kenmore is made by any of several manufacturers, incl GE and Whirlpool. Sears has them rebranded. Used to make them night shift while going to UofL.

63 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:42:07am

re: #61 iossarian

Opposite end of the spectrum: Sweet tea vodka mixed with lemonade. Quite tasty, very addictive, and I’d recommend the Firefly brand (outside Charleston SC).

64 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:42:54am

Video showing the multi-agency drill in Houston.

65 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:43:11am

re: #60 lawhawk

I have a Kenmore, and it required a repair within 6 months of purchase - a loose fitting caused the thing to flood out. Otherwise, I’ve been very happy with it - super quiet and does a great job washing dishes.

Brands with good repair records from best to worst (via CR): Bosch, Whirlpool Miele, Kenmore, and then GE. Maytag and LG are at the bottom of the heap. GE towards the middle.

We bought a Fisher-Paykel washer/dryer set and fridge. No problems with any of it, except being missing feet for the fridge when it came in, and we got those in two days.

Not bad service for a company out of Australia.

66 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:43:53am

re: #57 lawhawk

OT:

Severe storms are expected across the Central US and into the Southeast. Tornado outbreak possible, and damaging straight line winds likely as a front moves through ushering in colder air.

Areas affected: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, northern Louisiana, southeastern Missouri, western Mississippi and southwestern Tennessee.

As these storms are likely to produce significant damage, sufficient enough to warrant disaster declarations, I can’t wait for their Congressional representatives in the House and Senate to get up and demand disaster aid right after they just got through voting against it for Sandy victims. Watch as they go into full pretzel logic mode about how they shouldn’t be constrained by offsetting cuts for their disaster aid, while demanding the same with Sandy aid and voting against because it didn’t have that provision. The hypocrisy and irony will be palpable.

And yes, I’m looking at the likes of John Cornyn and James Inhofe in particular.

This winter has had some wild weather swings throughout the midwest, to go with some record high temperatures. For example, when the swings have occurred around here, we get phenomena like hail followed by sleet and snow.

67 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:44:28am

So it’s January 29th, and it looks like a strong tornado outbreak is possible across much of the Mississippi delta region up to Missouri.

Funny, Bryan Fischer was trolling twitter about “global warming is a myth!” when OKC got snow over Christmas. Where is he now that typical springtime violent weather is showing up 2 months early?

68 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:45:40am

re: #65 makeitstop

Getting Fisher-Paykel fixed in the US can be a major problem.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:46:14am

re: #57 lawhawk

OT:

Severe storms are expected across the Central US and into the Southeast. Tornado outbreak possible, and damaging straight line winds likely as a front moves through ushering in colder air.

Areas affected: Oklahoma, Texas, Arkansas, northern Louisiana, southeastern Missouri, western Mississippi and southwestern Tennessee.

As these storms are likely to produce significant damage, sufficient enough to warrant disaster declarations, I can’t wait for their Congressional representatives in the House and Senate to get up and demand disaster aid right after they just got through voting against it for Sandy victims. Watch as they go into full pretzel logic mode about how they shouldn’t be constrained by offsetting cuts for their disaster aid, while demanding the same with Sandy aid and voting against because it didn’t have that provision. The hypocrisy and irony will be palpable.

And yes, I’m looking at the likes of John Cornyn and James Inhofe in particular.

God hunting for a single sinner with a sledgehammer again I see.
//

70 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:46:37am

re: #66 RadicalModerate

This winter has had some wild weather swings throughout the midwest, to go with some record high temperatures. For example, when the swings have occurred around here, we get phenomena like hail followed by sleet and snow.

We’ll hit 80 today in Baja Alabama, with a low of 66. Then that stuff comes through tomorrow. One of our idiot senators voted against Sandy aid yesterday.

71 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:47:30am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

My dishwasher broke this morning. It’s the second time in 5 months and it’s only a couple years old. My old one lasted 15 years before it died.

Grrrrrr

Try calling the home office and writing letters to the CEO. We had some success with that when our Whirlpool washer conked out 3 times after it went out of warranty.

My letters stated in part that I felt it was unacceptable to spend that much money on an appliance that apparently had such a tiny window for use. Be polite but direct. Try posting something to Twitter with the appropriate hashtags. That seems to get people’s attention.

We still had to pay for some repairs, but the overall cost was reduced by interacting with Whirlpool. The build quality and lifespan of today’s appliances is frustrating beyond belief.

72 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:48:03am

re: #60 lawhawk

I have a Kenmore, and it required a repair within 6 months of purchase - a loose fitting caused the thing to flood out. Otherwise, I’ve been very happy with it - super quiet and does a great job washing dishes.

Brands with good repair records from best to worst (via CR): Bosch, Whirlpool Miele, Kenmore, and then GE. Maytag and LG are at the bottom of the heap. GE towards the middle.

I have a Kenmore washing machine too. It is awesome. No agitator in the middle and it figures out how much water to use. Amazing technology. I hope it lasts longer than my dishwasher.

73 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:48:06am

re: #65 makeitstop

We bought a Fisher-Paykel washer/dryer set and fridge. No problems with any of it, except being missing feet for the fridge when it came in, and we got those in two days.

Not bad service for a company out of Australia.

Do all the moving parts spin the other way?
;)

74 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:48:39am

Oh for Petes sake is that Buck thread still going on?

75 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:49:06am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

We’ll hit 80 today in Baja Alabama, with a low of 66. Then that stuff comes through tomorrow. One of our idiot senators voted against Sandy aid yesterday.

On behalf of most New Jersey residents, please tell him/her to pleasure themselves in a most unnatural manner.

Ah, screw it. I’ll Google it and leave a message on his FB page.

76 jaunte  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:49:08am

re: #69 Feline Fearless Leader

God hunting for a single sinner with a sledgehammer again I see.
//

Keeps trying to hit that guy watching porn in Tennessee.

77 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:49:13am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

We’ll hit 80 today in Baja Alabama, with a low of 66. Then that stuff comes through tomorrow. One of our idiot senators voted against Sandy aid yesterday.

I love the smell of freshly-roasted hypocrisy (or should that be freshly-washed?).

78 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:50:40am

re: #60 lawhawk

I have a Kenmore, and it required a repair within 6 months of purchase - a loose fitting caused the thing to flood out. Otherwise, I’ve been very happy with it - super quiet and does a great job washing dishes.

Brands with good repair records from best to worst (via CR): Bosch, Whirlpool Miele, Kenmore, and then GE. Maytag and LG are at the bottom of the heap. GE towards the middle.

Maytag doesn’t exist.

They were bought by whirlpool and all their products are now whirpools in a redesigned box with more rounded corners to look more maytagish.

Kenmore makes nothing. For laundry, 99% of Kenmores are whirlpool or Frigidaire. And my experiences with GE are not good at all. Half of GE laundry equipment is made by Frigidaire, with a large extra markup on parts, the other half is GE only. I’ve seen GE coin-op dryers that look identical on the outside, but one has Frigidaire parts on the inside and the other GE parts. And I don’t know LG well, but they are highly rated. Better to look for Amazon ratings on popular machines than to trust anything else.

79 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:50:55am

re: #73 Feline Fearless Leader

Do all the moving parts spin the other way?
;)

No. We had to install them all upside down, though. :)

80 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:51:24am

re: #75 Mattand

On behalf of most New Jersey residents, please tell him/her to pleasure themselves in a most unnatural manner.

Ah, screw it. I’ll Google it and leave a message on his FB page.

That’s Senator Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third. (Love that name.)
Shelby (marginally brighter) voted for Sandy aid, at least the last time.

81 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:51:37am

No self respecting gun owner would heckle the father of a shooting victim, especially a child for Gods sake!

Those people do no represent the majority of gun owners, I should know, I am one and there is no f-ing way those people should be there going after the father of a victim of the New Town shooting! I’m sadly ashamed and sincerely pissed off enough to say these people aren’t thinking clearly, all they see is “GUN BAN”.

They don’t see the big picture, which is, only people who want to harm large numbers of people want those types of firearms. And if they have children in their home they blasted well shouldn’t own them! My God, the thought of a pissed off and hormonal teenager getting hold of one and using it makes my hair stand on end! If I had a child my firearms would be sold in a heart beat!

I, as a responsible hand gun owner, fail to under stand why any Joe Schmoe off the street should need to own a firearm that can shoot off over 100 rounds in 20 seconds! Those types of firearms belong in the hands of the military, not under a law abiding citizens bed where anyone can get to them!

If you cant defend your home with a ten round magazine then you shouldn’t own a gun! There’s no need to spray bullets around endangering your neighbors if a burglar is in your home, and the ammo those firearms use will pierce brick walls as well as any host of things and just keep going! I have frangible ammo in my home firearm which will break apart upon impact with any solid object, including glass thus no innocent bystander would be in the danger of being injured or killed!

We have a rule in our home, if there’s a burglar in the house, barricade yourself in the back bedroom, hide in the closet, call 911 and let them take anything they want with one exception! That exception being if they try to break into the room I’m in it has become personal eminent danger to me and anyone else with me and if they get in, then and only then shoot!

Those idiot hecklers make the rest of us look really bad and I personally resent them with every fiber of my being!

And, just for the record, I haven’t belonged to the NRA for more than 10 years due to their short sighted and misguided broad sweeping rejection of the control of assault type firearms, not to mention they deserted the gun owners of California when we needed them the most!

I’m not posting this to start a fight, but I just feel that I needed to state my position on this subject.

82 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:51:53am

Note:
Maytag is whirlpool
Kitchenaid is whirlpool
Roper is whirlpool
Estate is whirlpool
Capri is whirlpool

83 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:52:02am

re: #71 Mattand

Try calling the home office and writing letters to the CEO. We had some success with that when our Whirlpool washer conked out 3 times after it went out of warranty.

My letters stated in part that I felt it was unacceptable to spend that much money on an appliance that apparently had such a tiny window for use. Be polite but direct. Try posting something to Twitter with the appropriate hashtags. That seems to get people’s attention.

We still had to pay for some repairs, but the overall cost was reduced by interacting with Whirlpool. The build quality and lifespan of today’s appliances is frustrating beyond belief.

I am almost at that point of contacting the home office. The repairs are simple. I did the last one myself and this one I can do too. It’s the fact that it is breaking so soon that is pissing me off. I might send them an email later today.

84 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:52:16am

re: #67 Ian G.

There have already been tornado outbreaks earlier this month centered on Louisiana, Kentucky, Tennessee and Mississippi. Some scattered damage, but no major tornados (EF-3 or higher). But so far this month has witnessed fewer tornadoes than last year and below 3 year average for January.

Today could change all that.

We’re seeing more storms, and more that are further afield from the traditional tornado alleys (Southeast early in the year, moving towards the traditional tornado alley later in the year).

85 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:52:38am

Oh and NOW, old brands that Maytag bought are whirlpool:
Admiral is whirlpool

86 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:53:37am

re: #74 Vicious Babushka

Oh for Petes sake is that Buck thread still going on?

I didn’t realize that Scarfe was the guy who did the artwork for Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”.

87 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:53:44am

I am so confused. Are their any appliance companies still making their own products?

88 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:54:27am

To the surprise of nobody, from the state that Never Learns Jack Diddly Shit And Is Damned Proud Of It:

89 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:55:27am

WTF?

90 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:55:40am

Back to the original thread: I just can’t wrap my head around the mindset that makes you scream at a grieving father, because you love your gun more than he loves his dead son.

What frustrates me is that this kind of behavior never seems to make a dent in the public consciousness. It’s always “There’s nuts out there, whaddya gonna do?”ds

I being to think the Sandy Hook Truthers are worse than the 9/11 ones, in some ways. I guess it boils down to that for the most part, the 9/11 truthers brand of paranoia is potentially less lethal than the Sandy Hook vermin.

91 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:56:28am

re: #78 stabby

I get that the brands are rebadged products, but there are differences and CR does the testing across brands/badged products so the distinctions are quite real.

It could be that a particular Kenmore was made by Whirlpool in factory X, while other Whirlpools are made in factory Y. The Kenmore quality is better (or worse) than the Whirlpool, even though both made by same company.

Put another way, we know GM makes a whole range of autos, Chevy, Buick, GMC, etc., but some do better on quality and reliability than others (across brands and specific offerings).

But this much is certain - stay away from LG. Bad jobu.

92 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:57:50am

re: #91 lawhawk

Kenmore may pick what models they want, but the same models are available without the Kenmore name on them.

93 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:00:00am

re: #91 lawhawk

I get that the brands are rebadged products, but there are differences and CR does the testing across brands/badged products so the distinctions are quite real.

It could be that a particular Kenmore was made by Whirlpool in factory X, while other Whirlpools are made in factory Y. The Kenmore quality is better (or worse) than the Whirlpool, even though both made by same company.

Put another way, we know GM makes a whole range of autos, Chevy, Buick, GMC, etc., but some do better on quality and reliability than others (across brands and specific offerings).

But this much is certain - stay away from LG. Bad jobu.

Our assembly line made several refrigerator brands. We were GE, and made Hotpoint, a GE subsidiary. The difference, besides the trim, was that the GEs ran down the line at around 1200 per hour while the Hotpoints went at 1500. Line speed=quality.

94 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:00:44am

re: #83 NJDhockeyfan

Absolutely do it. You’ll be surprised with the results.

A few things I like to do:

1. Always remember that the person you’re talking to didn’t cause the problem. Treat them well. Don’t curse, but be blunt in the fact that the company should be ashamed of the product failing like that.

2. I try to acknowledge that I’m not trying to scam them. When dealing with Whirlpool, I mentioned that if the washer was 10 years old and being used 80 time a day, they’d have every right to hang up on me. But for a product to fall apart so soon after warranty is a disgrace.

Good luck.

95 Kaessa  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:00:45am

re: #82 stabby

Note:
Maytag is whirlpool
Kitchenaid is whirlpool
Roper is whirlpool
Estate is whirlpool
Capri is whirlpool

And Bosch is Bosch, and their stuff is built like tanks. I have a Bosch front-loading washer and dryer, and the build quality is light years above similar products by Maytag/Whirlpool/Kenmore/LG.

96 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:00:53am

Wait, what?

97 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:00:59am

re: #91 lawhawk

I get that the brands are rebadged products, but there are differences and CR does the testing across brands/badged products so the distinctions are quite real.

It could be that a particular Kenmore was made by Whirlpool in factory X, while other Whirlpools are made in factory Y. The Kenmore quality is better (or worse) than the Whirlpool, even though both made by same company.

Put another way, we know GM makes a whole range of autos, Chevy, Buick, GMC, etc., but some do better on quality and reliability than others (across brands and specific offerings).

But this much is certain - stay away from LG. Bad jobu.

The only problems I am having are electronic. There are only like 3 or 4 parts that need to be replaced and are easily accessible in the front. The rest of it works fine. I wonder who makes the electronics?

98 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:01:34am

re: #94 Mattand

Thanks, will do!

99 Ian G.  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:01:37am

re: #84 lawhawk

And there was also the Super Tuesday outbreak in 2008:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Not January, but still the dead of winter, and a weird time for a tornado outbreak. But I’m sure it’s not a sign of a warming planet at all. No sireee….

100 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:02:43am

re: #91 lawhawk

Also about LG.

I remember someone I knew wanted to replace a small ventless, washes-then-dries machine.

Her original was Ariston (or some rebranded Ariston) - she went on Amazon and looked at the ratings for similar machines. The LG cost twice what an Ariston did, but it was significantly higher rated and she went with it.

What can I say about the Aristons? The controls are confusing, and if you dry towels in them a lot, then you’ll need to find someone who knows how to clean out the fan after a few years because it will fill up with lint.

101 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:02:54am

*face palm*

102 jaunte  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:03:00am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Fischer has no self-control.

103 JoyP  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:03:06am

Why doesn’t the media find these jerks and ask them to speak on the record, full name given, instead of hiding in the background and yelling in an open hearing. Let their neighbors and co-workers know how they treat a grieving father. On the other hand, their neighbors and co-workers probably already know they are complete dickheads.

104 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:03:40am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

We’ll hit 80 today in Baja Alabama, with a low of 66. Then that stuff comes through tomorrow. One of our idiot senators voted against Sandy aid yesterday.

You live on that little nut-sack that sticks out on the bottom of the state? That’s cool.

105 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:04:27am

re: #82 stabby

Note:
Maytag is whirlpool
Kitchenaid is whirlpool
Roper is whirlpool
Estate is whirlpool
Capri is whirlpool

And whirlpools suck.

106 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:05:13am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

*face palm*

Will look it up, but it will not surprise me that said ex-NASA scientist has zero experience in climatology.

107 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:05:15am

re: #88 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Who is this Un Decided, and how did he get such a big following with no press and no campaign to speak of? /

108 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:06:17am
In a hearing at the Connecticut state capitol today, pro-gun demonstrators actually heckled the father of a 6-year old boy killed in the Newtown school massacre.

There are no words.

I would like a ticket off of this planet, please.

109 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:06:48am

re: #93 Decatur Deb

Our assembly line made several refrigerator brands. We were GE, and made Hotpoint, a GE subsidiary. The difference, besides the trim, was that the GEs ran down the line at around 1200 per hour while the Hotpoints went at 1500. Line speed=quality.

Wow!

I saw a fascinating GE Hotpoint washer and dryer the other day.

It was the smallest thing you’ve ever seen.

I think it was made in the 70s

It was made in Japan.

The washer didn’t have an agitator, instead it had something that made a powerful whirlpool action in the water using a powerful motor….
The dryer was unusual because it vented out into the room through a grating.

110 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:06:51am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

Cal Beisner. Part of Cornwall Alliance and creationist (go figure). Oh, and his doctorate was in Scottish history, not a physical science (climatology, physics, astronomy, meteorology, etc.).

111 Ming  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:07:20am

re: #5 lawhawk

Heckling the father of a dead child who is seeking better protection for other kids. Fan fracking tastic.

For anyone who encourages such deranged, hateful behavior, there is the issue of MORAL RESPONSIBILITY.

Mitt Romney said that millions of Americans “don’t care to take responsibility for their own lives.” Part of “responsibility” is “moral responsibility”. Any politician who may have encouraged deranged hatred in the past, and who has a public voice (e.g. Mitt Romney) has a moral responsibility to speak out against hatred and in favor of sanity.

Of course, anyone who currently encourages such hateful behavior has a moral responsibility to stop doing so, at the very least.

112 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:08:37am

re: #102 jaunte

Fischer has no self-control.

And an apparently unhealthy obsession.

113 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:09:11am

re: #110 lawhawk

Cal Beisner. Part of Cornwall Alliance and creationist (go figure).

Well, I wouldn’t expect Bryan Fischer to have an actual sciency scientist on his program.

114 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:09:29am

re: #111 Ming

How much moral responsibility did Mitt take for his stunt of talking in front of the NAACP in order to tell them that they’re a bunch of freeloaders who should vote for Obama?

This is the GOP in the 2010’s

ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly ugly

115 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:10:10am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

*face palm*

116 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:10:44am

re: #108 Bulworth

I would like a ticket off of this planet, please.

Here you go.

117 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:10:57am

re: #109 stabby

My mistake on that—make it 1200 per shift. Still, all three lines in our building came together near my station, and flowed out to the giant warehouse like a river.

118 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:10:58am

re: #101 Vicious Babushka

You need to stop following him…I know, I know…he’s just so fucking crazy it’s hard not to look. But the guy is a twitter addict…nearly 13,000 tweets and most of them just angry, crazed rants.

119 erik_t  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:11:12am

re: #115 Mattand

People who reject academic thought entirely have no real concept of relevant credentials. Who’d have thunk it?

120 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:11:32am
121 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:12:06am

re: #104 darthstar

You live on that little nut-sack that sticks out on the bottom of the state? That’s cool.

Not quite that ‘Baja”. I did cleanup work down there (Bayou Le Batre) after Katrina.

122 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:12:38am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Hes just spouting the rhetoric that all homosexuals are pedophiles. He has no concept that most homosexuals are people too and 99.9999% of are good decent people and they wouldn’t hurt a fly let alone a child. What a maroon. ///

123 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:12:41am

Anyone care to guess which state(s) will nominate an actual firearm in the 2014 midterms?

124 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:12:43am

Cue the ‘splodey heads:

Gay rights AND immigration in the same sentence? The bigots are going to go even more nuts than usual.

125 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:12:45am

re: #115 Mattand

126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:14:48am

re: #118 darthstar

You need to stop following him…I know, I know…he’s just so fucking crazy it’s hard not to look. But the guy is a twitter addict…nearly 13,000 tweets and most of them just angry, crazed rants.

He actually seems sane compared to TGDN.

127 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:14:49am
128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:15:39am

Stay classy assholes. Heckling a man who just lost his son in a tragedy like this really says a lot about your lack of character.

129 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:16:09am

re: #123 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Three states already have an official firearm, some more are looking at choosing one.

130 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:16:16am

re: #127 Lidane

Well Bryan, Reagan was white and actually signed an amnesty bill and conservatives like you think he was the best evah.

131 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:16:45am

re: #125 lawhawk

Yeah huge fail. What the fuck is this garbage?

132 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:17:09am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Well Bryan, Reagan was white and actually signed an amnesty bill and conservatives like you think he was the best evah.

Oh, the revisionists are now saying that St. Ronald of Reagan was forced to sign that amnesty bill by the mean Democratic majority in Congress.

133 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:17:55am

re: #129 lawhawk

Three states already have an official firearm, some more are looking at choosing one.

Oh..I hope we get the Potato Gun, but I guess Idaho gets first dibs.

134 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:18:15am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Yeah huge fail. What the fuck is this garbage?

It’s called Tuesday in Greater Wingnuttia.

135 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:18:39am

Hahahaha:

136 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:19:04am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Stay classy assholes. Heckling a man who just lost his son in a tragedy like this really says a lot about your lack of character.

At the same time they are hyper-sensitive to anything they do not deem sufficiently respectful to victims of Benghazi-ghazi-ghazistan.

137 Decatur Deb  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:20:05am

Off to plant some kale before tomorrow’s storms. BBL

138 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:20:27am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

At the same time they are hyper-sensitive to anything they do not deem sufficiently respectful to victims of Benghazi-ghazi-ghazistan.

They only care about Benghazi because they want to use it to make Obama look bad. You point out that other presidents had similar incidents and it’s shut up and Benghazi is worse than Watergate.

139 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:20:39am

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Delaware has dibs on the pumpkin chunkin (air cannon, trebuchet, or catapult).

140 erik_t  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:20:52am

re: #136 Vicious Babushka

At the same time they are hyper-sensitive to anything they do not deem sufficiently respectful to victims of Benghazi-ghazi-ghazistan.

“Respectful” really isn’t the right word. I don’t know what is, but it’s more akin to cargo cultism.

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:20:53am

re: #134 Lidane

It’s called Tuesday in Greater Wingnuttia.

Is Tuesday pancake or waffle day?

142 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:21:23am

re: #132 Lidane

Oh, the revisionists are now saying that St. Ronald of Reagan was forced to sign that amnesty bill by the mean Democratic majority in Congress.

Yeah, I’ve heard that one. He was tricked by Tip O’Neill’s Irish charm. He got lost in his Irish eyes!

143 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:21:35am

GOP getting new talking points on immigration.

When addressing securing our borders:

Do use the wording “enforcement of our borders includes more border patrol, technology, and building a fence where it makes sense”

Don’t use phrases like “send them all back”, “electric fence”, “build a wall along the entire border”

When talking about immigrants:

Do use “undocumented immigrant” when referring to those here without documentation

Don’t use the word “illegals” or “aliens”

Don’t use the term “anchor baby”

Far more don’ts than dos on that list. It’s going to be a steep learning curve for the GOP.

144 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:22:09am

re: #68 stabby

Getting Fisher-Paykel fixed in the US can be a major problem.

They used to have a deal with Kitchen-Aid for service but I think it expired. No issue servicing them in Canada at least in major cities. I have been very happy with ours.

145 dragonath  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:22:39am

re: #129 lawhawk

Three states already have an official firearm, some more are looking at choosing one.

So, is that the gun that they wiped out the Passenger Pigeon with?

/

146 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:22:42am

re: #143 darthstar

“When addressing securing our borders, don’t be yourselves. “

147 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:23:16am

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Reagan was grandfathered in. Also he was really successful.

Now they want the success without actually having any of Reagan’s principles. And they’ve convinced themselves that God has decided their new platform, so it can never be improved on, can never be at fault. It can only be failed, it can never fail.

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:24:05am

re: #143 darthstar

GOP getting new talking points on immigration.

Far more don’ts than dos on that list. It’s going to be a steep learning curve for the GOP.

I am surprised, there’s not “Don’t claim Latino immigration is part of a conspiracy for Mexico to reconquer American lands.”

149 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:24:13am

re: #135 Lidane

You mean they started?

150 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:26:41am

re: #148 HappyWarrior

I am surprised, there’s not “Don’t claim Latino immigration is part of a conspiracy for Mexico to reconquer American lands.”

Ooops. They forgot that one. Houston, we still have a problem.

151 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:27:10am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Is Tuesday pancake or waffle day?

Waffle.

152 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:27:16am
.@tedcruz has some advice for the GOP: “Stop reading the New York Times.” [Link: ow.ly…]

He stretched that a little.
What he meant was:
Stop reading, we can’t afford to lose any more people. Also, drink, do drugs and hit your head against the pavement to keep your brain from growing.

153 dragonath  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:27:43am

I wonder if any states have an official cigarette. Massachusetts could have the Parliament… Idaho, the Spud, and naturally, in Virginia, the Slims.

154 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:28:23am

re: #150 Bulworth

Ooops. They forgot that one. Houston, we still have a problem.

They also should have been told stop assuming all undocumented immigrants are Latino or non-white.

155 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:28:39am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

Stay classy assholes. Heckling a man who just lost his son in a tragedy like this really says a lot about your lack of character.

There’s an article today in the NYT about the first responders in Newtown. Obviously it has left many of them shaken. Sounds like it would have been good for those hecklers to have seen the carnage.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:30:08am

re: #155 Bulworth

There’s an article today in the NYT about the first responders in Newtown. Obviously it has left many of them shaken. Sounds like it would have been good for those hecklers to have seen the carnage.

I can’t imagine. What’s made Newtown so tough to think about really is just how young much of those victims were.

157 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:30:23am

re: #128 HappyWarrior

It’s the video games’ fault those gun nuts heckled the victim’s father. //

158 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:31:15am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

Is Tuesday pancake or waffle day?

Today is French Freedom Toast Day.

159 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:31:41am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

160 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:34:15am

What he means is

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

If i were gay, you’d have to keep me away from young boys

161 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:35:07am

re: #159 Geoff with a G

I’ll say it again but fuck Bryan Fischer. He needs to find a better hobby than smearing all gay people as pedophiles.

162 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:35:18am

re: #160 stabby

What he means is

Bryan Fischer @BryanJFischer

If i were gay, you’d have to keep me away from young boys

FTFY

163 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:35:40am

re: #159 Geoff with a G

If I were going for snark, couldn’t the same be said for any number of priests who have been brought up on charges of sexual misconduct, entire archdiocese sued for their complicity in such matters, and similar actions around the world that have nothing to do with the sexuality of the perpetrator, but everything to do with the religious order covering up the crimes.

164 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:36:56am

re: #163 lawhawk

If I were going for snark, couldn’t the same be said for any number of priests who have been brought up on charges of sexual misconduct, entire archdiocese sued for their complicity in such matters, and similar actions around the world that have nothing to do with the sexuality of the perpetrator, but everything to do with the religious order covering up the crimes.

True, that.

165 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:44:25am

NM has a state fossil, a state cookie, a state guitar, a state necklace, a state poem (in English and Spanish), five state songs, a state question, a state tie, plus the usual flower, mammal, bird, amphibian, etc., but no state gun.

New Mexico Blue Book (.pdf)

166 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:45:50am

People that see things in black and white never cease to amaze me. In many cases, they wind being similar to that which they oppose.

167 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:49:30am

How long will bronchitis after the flu last?
I make awful sounds just breathing, if I’m lying down.

168 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:55:17am

*headdesk*

McCain: ‘We’ve got to use drones’ to secure the U.S.-Mexico border

An hour after expanding on a bipartisan immigration proposal on Monday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) called for an increase in security technology at the U.S.-Mexico border, including unmanned drones in a Fox News interview.

“We have to use a lot of high-tech — we’ve got to use drones,” McCain told “Your World with Caputo” guest host Eric Bolling. “We’ve got to do a lot of things to get that border secure, but that must be done.”

According to The Hill, the plan, crafted by McCain and seven other U.S. senators, calls for border security standards to be set by a group of officials from border states, who would have the ability to stall a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants if they are not satisfied by security efforts.

So not only does he want to use drones on the border, but these geniuses want to give Jan Brewer and Rick Perry veto power over immigration policy? WTF.

169 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:55:27am

Shorter Rubio: ‘We won’t have time to sabotage gun legislation, we’re going to be too busy trying to sabotage immigration reform.’

170 Obdicut  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:57:48am

re: #167 stabby

How long will bronchitis after the flu last?
I make awful sounds just breathing, if I’m lying down.

It can last months.

171 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:59:16am

re: #168 Lidane

*headdesk*

McCain: ‘We’ve got to use drones’ to secure the U.S.-Mexico border

So not only does he want to use drones on the border, but these geniuses want to give Jan Brewer and Rick Perry veto power over immigration policy? WTF.

We’ve been using drones on the border for years. We even gave (or loaned, maybe) some to Mexico to use on their side.

The border has never been as ‘insecure’ as they are claiming it is now.

172 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:00:37am

re: #171 wrenchwench

The border has never been as ‘insecure’ as they are claiming it is now.

Black Kenyan Marxist Nazi President King! Eleventy!

We’re being invaded by terror babies!

////

173 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:00:47am

re: #167 stabby

My Advise? Get to a Doctor, now! I had bronchitis for 3 weeks and ended up with asthma for the rest of my life! It scars the lungs and makes it difficult to do all kinds of things, sharp smells and even laughter sets it off. According to my doctor bronchitis is a secondary bacterial infection that has set in due to the flu lowering your immune system. I always have to go to the doctor for an antibiotic when I get bronchitis, once you’ve had it you’re prone to it. Take care of yourself, okay?

174 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:02:31am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Wait, what?

A homosexual does not belong in the same tent with young boys any more than a man belongs in a tent full of Girl Scouts.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) January 29, 2013

My den leader when I was in the scouts was the mother of one of my scout mates. I think she had sex with a male at least on one occasion.

175 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:04:30am

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

My den leader when I was in the scouts was the mother of one of my scout mates. I think she had sex with a male at least on one occasion.

I think Mr. Fischer is projecting his own lack of self-control around children onto others.

176 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:05:08am

re: #167 stabby

How long will bronchitis after the flu last?
I make awful sounds just breathing, if I’m lying down.

If it is only congestion without a bacterial infection (ie Sinusitis) involved, drinking LOTS of fluids and taking an over-the-counter expectorant (Mucinex, etc) will typically clear you up in a few days. I would advise against taking antihistamines when trying to clear your lungs - it will only prolong the congestion. If you do have a sinus infection, then you’re going to need to get a antibiotic prescription in all likelyhood. Otherwise it might take weeks to clear up, and you run further risk of pneumonia.

177 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:05:12am
178 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:05:30am

re: #173 Donna Ballard

ok.

179 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:05:44am

Wonder what sort of turd the aigle bot is going to drop today? It just logged in.

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:05:58am

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

My den leader when I was in the scouts was the mother of one of my scout mates. I think she had sex with a male at least on one occasion.

This is the Santorum approach, based on the statement that earned him the less-than-savory new definition attached to his name: Homosexuality, child abuse, bestiality, wife beating, etc., are all abominations unto the Lord.

If you practice one, you are the moral equivalent of a practioner of any or all of the above, and in his views, entirely likely to be one.

Don’t try and reason with these guys, just find ways to defuse, distract or humililate them in public.

181 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:06:23am

re: #168 Lidane

*headdesk*

McCain: ‘We’ve got to use drones’ to secure the U.S.-Mexico border

So not only does he want to use drones on the border, but these geniuses want to give Jan Brewer and Rick Perry veto power over immigration policy? WTF.

And McCain ladies and gents is a quote on quote moderate on immigration within the senate GOP caucus. Really, what a pathetic joke this guy is.

182 Donna Ballard  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:07:48am

Well kids, its been fun but I gotta go get ready to take my Dad to the doctors office for his pre-op exam. If all is well he’s going to have his right eye cataract taken out in a few days. Have a great day and keep laughing everybody!

183 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:09:36am
184 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:09:46am

Turd dropped and aigle has left the building.

185 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:10:14am
186 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:10:20am

re: #179 Bubblehead II

Wonder what sort of turd the aigle bot is going to drop today? It just logged in.

It had one earlier regarding Ha’aretz’s reporting of Israeli doctors injecting Depo-Provera (long-term contraceptive drug) into Ethiopian women without their knowledge.

187 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:10:44am

re: #171 wrenchwench

We’ve been using drones on the border for years. We even gave (or loaned, maybe) some to Mexico to use on their side.

The border has never been as ‘insecure’ as they are claiming it is now.

I never seen one there. My cousin Don Ralph seen a UFO once though. We know it was a ufo cause we know nobody else is a flyin’ down there.

Historical note: General Atomics, whose subsidiary General Atomics Aeronautical makes the predator drones, was the prime contractor for Project Orion.

188 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:10:47am

re: #184 Bubblehead II

Turd dropped and aigle has left the building.

WHERE’S THE COVERAGE?

189 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:11:50am

re: #185 Charles Johnson

Image: Jesus_facepalm.jpg

190 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:12:08am

re: #185 Charles Johnson

I don’t think this person knows what either exploit or socialist means. But yeah victims’ relatives talking about gun access in the wake of Newtown is “exploiting” but the NRA blaming the tragedy on anything but guns is just great.

191 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:12:39am

U.S., Yemen forces seize Iranian weapons

SANAA, Yemen, Jan. 29 (UPI) — Yemeni and U.S. military forces intercepted a boat carrying explosives, weapons and money believed to have originated in Iran, U.S. officials said.

Unnamed U.S. officials briefed on the incident off the Yemeni coast, said Monday there were indications that Iran was smuggling weapons and explosives to insurgents in Yemen, The New York Times said.

A boarding party from the U.S. Navy destroyer USS Farragut accompanied Yemeni forces in the raid Jan. 23, the Times said.

Weapons were reportedly found in three cargo sections of the 130-foot boat. The weapons included air-to-surface missiles, C4 military-grade explosives, 122-mm shells, rocket-propelled grenades and bomb making equipment, a statement from the Yemeni government Monday said.

U.S. officials said the weapons were made in Iran and is an attempt by the Islamic Republic to reach out to rebels and other political figures in Yemen, the Times said.

192 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:13:33am

re: #186 RadicalModerate

It had one earlier regarding Ha’aretz’s reporting of Israeli doctors injecting Depo-Provera (long-term contraceptive drug) into Ethiopian women without their knowledge.

Saw that one.Iirc, Buck was trying to say that it didn’t/couldn’t happen and if it did, it was with the full consent of the women.

This new one is about the Washington Journal.

193 Geoff with a G  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:15:42am

Happy Birthday to Me!! Wife just surprised me with a delivery of Kickass Cupcakes!

194 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:16:32am
195 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:16:52am

re: #185 Charles Johnson

196 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:17:55am
197 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:18:59am

re: #196 Lidane

Yeah, no kidding. These fuckwads were behind the least productive Congress in ages and they’re telling Obama he needs to get to work. Physicians heal thy-selves!

198 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:19:57am

re: #193 Geoff with a G

Happy Birthday to Me!! Wife just surprised me with a delivery of Kickass Cupcakes!

Looks like you have enough to share.

Damn, my browser is only set for cookies.

199 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:19:59am

re: #193 Geoff with a G

Happy Birthday to Me!! Wife just surprised me with a delivery of Kickass Cupcakes!

Awesome. Reminds me of a shouting match I had back in the day with a departed Lizard over whether junk food was a drug.

Cupcakes == Crack

200 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:20:29am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

They want Obama to ‘get to work’? Then they’ll cry that Obama is “shoving big government down our throats”! Waah

201 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:21:06am

re: #196 Lidane

This is a very shrill quote. Which I love.

202 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:22:50am

re: #200 Bulworth

They want Obama to ‘get to work’? Then they’ll cry that Obama is “shoving big government down our throats”! Waah

Pretty much. Kind of like if Obama had proceeded more slowly on HCR, they would have accused him of not taking it seriously but when he did take it seriously, he was shoving it down our throats. He can’t win with them. God I hope this coming midterm is a huge ass kicking for these dolts.

203 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:23:46am
204 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:25:38am

crap

205 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:25:42am

re: #185 Charles

Dude’s doing damage control. He’s apologized for his tweet after getting a few WTF replies - some from his own friends apparently.

206 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:26:07am

Change of plan. I just fell on my ass.

207 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:26:08am

Get to work: Brought to you by the same people who threaten to shut down the government whenever they don’t get their way.

208 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:26:35am

Fucking ice. I sprained my freaking ankle. Hurts like an SOB and I can’t stand on it.

209 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:26:37am

re: #205 darthstar

Dude’s doing damage control. He’s apologized for his tweet after getting a few WTF replies - some from his own friends apparently.

Glad he apologized but dayum what a stupid fucking thing to say.

210 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:27:06am

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Get to work: Brought to you by the same people who threaten to shut down the government whenever they don’t get their way.

Get to work: Brought to you by the same corporations that cut their employees’ hours just in order to not pay “Obamacare”

211 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:28:21am

re: #209 HappyWarrior

Glad he apologized but dayum what a stupid fucking thing to say.

It was, and he acknowledged that. It can’t be easy trying to be a witty conservative echoing right wing talking points without sounding like an ignorant fool.

212 nines09  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:28:23am

The NRA and the so called “nuts” are anything but second amendment supporters. The NRA is a sock puppet for the continuing money to be made by fear and loathing. The Nuts are those whose love of America go all the way to wanting to be able to take down a cop with body armor. It’s not about the right to own a gun, it’s about the right to have a semi automatic assault rifle that can be customized with military style options and sometime with the right gunsmith, turned full auto. Remember that the NRA pushed for cop killer bullets. So when the nuts, who in this case are creeps and worse, heckle a father who lost a son thanks to the insanity that the NRA supports, I think you’ve seen the true intent of both. I have looked at vehicles with NRA membership stickers on them for years and my only thought was “Dipshit idiot sucker. That sticker allows him to park in a handicapped spot.” Fuck these people. And I own guns and am not anti gun. I am anti stupid, anti insane and anti NRA Bull Shit.

213 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:28:33am

re: #208 Gus

Fucking ice. I sprained my freaking ankle. Hurts like an SOB and I can’t stand on it.

Bummer.

214 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:30:03am

re: #208 Gus

Fucking ice. I sprained my freaking ankle. Hurts like an SOB and I can’t stand on it.

Get an X-Ray.

10 years ago I fell and broke my ankle. I thought it was just “sprained,” dragged myself home limping on the BROKEN ANKLE and wrapped it in an ace bandage. I did not have health insurance at the time.

Years later (by the time I finally did get insurance), developed arthritis in both ankles. Orthopedist ordered xrays and noticed the remodeled broken ankle.

215 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:31:10am

Heh…

216 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:31:42am

re: #205 darthstar

Dude’s doing damage control. He’s apologized for his tweet after getting a few WTF replies - some from his own friends apparently.

Whaddya know. He has some semblance of a conscience.

217 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:31:48am

Wingnuts are now seething about the President saying that he shoots clay birds.

218 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:32:11am

re: #208 Gus

Fucking ice. I sprained my freaking ankle. Hurts like an SOB and I can’t stand on it.

What VB said. Or Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation. Do you have an ace bandage?

219 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:32:33am

HOW DID THAT WHISKY REBELLION TURN OUT?

220 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:35:38am

CNN Parts Ways With Major Contributors

Pundit power couple James Carville and Mary Matalin will not be continuing their contracts with CNN, according to FishbowlDC sources. In addition, Bill Bennett and Maria Cardona are also parting ways with the network, although CNN Espanol will keep Cardona on board.

In other news, RedState‘s Erick Erickson will be foregoing his CNN contract and sources say he will be heading to Fox News.

As reported by TVNewser, CNN Executive VP and Managing Editor Mark Whitaker has resigned.

221 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:35:51am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

HOW DID THAT WHISKY REBELLION TURN OUT?

I believe Washington personally led the troops in that rebellion.

222 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:36:29am

Erickson leaving CNN for Fox…Shit really does run down hill.
[Link: www.politico.com…]

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:36:55am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are now seething about the President saying that he shoots clay birds.

They’re always seething about something. If it wasn’t this, it would be that it’s January 29th, 2013, 12:36 EST, and Barack Obama is still the 44th president of these United States.

224 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:37:26am

re: #222 darthstar

Erickson leaving CNN for Fox…Shit really does run down hill.
[Link: www.politico.com…]

His insightful commentary will be missed.//

225 darthstar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:37:46am

Okay…time to run the dogs on the beach then head to the club for a swim. Job interview at 2pm today. Wish me luck.

226 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:38:39am

re: #222 darthstar

Erickson leaving CNN for Fox…Shit really does run down hill.
[Link: www.politico.com…]

Caribou Barbie, meet your replacement.

227 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:38:50am

re: #205 darthstar

Dude’s doing damage control. He’s apologized for his tweet after getting a few WTF replies - some from his own friends apparently.

As far as I’m concerned, that’s the kind of sick statement that an apology can’t fix. That was his real, honest opinion. The apology came when he realized how fucked up he looked.

He’s far from the only conservative who responded like that on Twitter.

228 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:39:20am

re: #170 Obdicut

It can last months.

I contracted a bad case of bronchitis when I was 20 or so, and I still get flareups from time to time. Of course, it’s likely not a help that I smoke as well.

One of these days, I really need to quit. I’ve “quit” about three times now, the longest being eight months. Then I got together with a friend, and watching her smoke made me grab her pack and light one up.

Dammit.

229 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:39:33am
230 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:39:40am

re: #223 HappyWarrior

They’re always seething about something. If it wasn’t this, it would be that it’s January 29th, 2013, 12:36 EST, and Barack Obama is still the 44th president of these United States.

The Benghazi seething has turned into a freaking cult.

231 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:42:44am

What right wing racism?

232 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:44:04am

Thanks for clearing that up, Senator:

233 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:45:07am

Cue the Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboaters:

234 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:45:26am

re: #231 Lidane

What right wing racism?

He’s honest, I’ll give him that but then again it’s because of people like him in the first place. I remember hearing about Baretta because he was the sheriff of Hazleton, Pa and he made his name being a Sheriff Joe like figure in that city.

235 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:51:48am

re: #38 Shiplord Kirel

I keep remembering the kook who thought a Barrett .50 rifle could literally knock an APC on its side. Even this fool realized that the super-gun would not stop actual tanks but he postulated that knocking out their infantry support would allow the tanks to be isolated and finished off with molotov cocktails. I guess he thinks the Iraqi insurgents were just too dumb to have thought of this.

Knowing a couple of folk who own a Barrett .50, you have to wonder why anyone would want spend $12,000+ for one gun.

Yea, I know the real answer, but it’s so stupid.

236 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:51:51am

re: #217 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are now seething about the President saying that he shoots clay birds.

The biggest asshole at PJ Media (now seemingly in charge - he writes most of the posts some weeks) put up an article titled:

WH Spokesman Can’t Produce Any Evidence that Obama has Ever Been Skeet Shooting:
Chuckling at lies.
by Bryan Preston

It’s really not possible to be more of an asshole than Preston, so I wouldn’t ever link to him. He’s the ultimate Republican party toady.

237 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:54:06am

I put in the colon myself to make it clear that “chuckling at lies” is sort of part of the title. He always does that. Those little asides in the titles are always so ugly that I don’t bother clicking through.

There’s never much there anyway. The title was the point.

238 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:55:58am

Everyone else posting articles at PJ has started copying Preston’s method of having asshole asides.

Can’t be out-assholed.

239 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:56:19am

re: #232 Lidane

No, ownership isn’t a disease, but use of firearms most certainly is. It has a real and tangible medical cost that adds up and tests the health care delivery system.

The health care and economic costs of gun violence in the US are equally staggering. According to the Public Services Research Institute in 2008, firearm homicide and assault cost federal, state and local governments $4.7 billion annually including costs for medical care, mental health, emergency transport, police, criminal justice and lost taxes. They also state that when lost productivity, lost quality of life, and pain and suffering are added to medical costs, estimates of the annual cost of firearm violence range from $20 billion to $100 billion. According to the National Center for Disease Control, the cost of firearm fatalities is the highest of any injury-related death. In fact, the average cost of a gunshot related death is $33,000, while gun-related injuries total over $300,000 for each occurrence. Unlike car crash victims who are privately insured, roughly 80% of gunshot victims are uninsured. In the Journal of the American Medical Association (June 14, 1995), researchers found that private health insurance pays for the majority of the treatment of firearm-related injuries though it may cover only about one-fourth of the total injury victims. As a result taxpayers and insurance holders are unfairly burdened by the enormous and largely preventable health care cost associated with firearm violence.

Going back further, a rigorous study from 1999 (so the dollar figures need to be adjusted to present value - meaning they’d be much higher now), found that the “… mean medical cost per injury of about $17,000, the 134,445 (95% confidence interval [CI], 109,465-159,425) gunshot injuries in the United States in 1994 produced $2.3 billion (95% CI, $2.1 billion–$2.5 billion) in lifetime medical costs (in 1994 dollars, using a 3% real discount rate), of which $1.1 billion (49%) was paid by US taxpayers. Gunshot injuries due to assaults accounted for 74% of total costs.”

It might not be a disease, but doctors are sure seeing a whole lot of it in their emergency rooms nationwide.

240 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:56:20am

re: #236 stabby

He’s the Malkin Beast’s buddy from way back in the early days of that stupid Hot Air website. I see he’s not, ahem, evolved since then.

Wonder how Michelle feels about the push from some of her wingnut buddies to eliminate the citizen status of “anchor babies”….

241 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:56:29am

re: #219 Vicious Babushka

HOW DID THAT WHISKY REBELLION TURN OUT?

So you’re on the same sheet of music, they’re going to point to the Battle of Athens. (August 1, 1946. See here and scroll down to chronology of the battle for full details.) Understand that in some ways it’s a compelling argument.

Simple overview: a political machine had been running McMinn county, TN, for many years. In 1946 a host of veterans were home and had decided to run against the machine. The machine did what the machine does but the veterans objected. The machine had 75-100 or so armed forces (police, temporary and full-time deputies, and a state patrolman), and they tried to force the election (after promising open). The vets who fought numbered around 500. The vets won.

Yeah, look again at the number of participants on each side. Then consider what the current so-called patriots number. Notice which side had combatants with recent combat experience.

But every time you talk whiskey rebellion they’re going to think battle of athens. Just a point to keep in mind.

242 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:58:39am

re: #240 A Mom Anon

He’s the Malkin Beast’s buddy from way back in the early days of that stupid Hot Air website. I see he’s not, ahem, evolved since then.

Wonder how Michelle feels about the push from some of her wingnut buddies to eliminate the citizen status of “anchor babies”….

Considering she writes for VDARE. I doubt she cares. (Hey, that rhymes)

243 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:59:20am

re: #239 lawhawk

No, ownership isn’t a disease, but use of firearms most certainly is. It has a real and tangible medical cost that adds up and tests the health care delivery system.

Going back further, a rigorous study from 1999 (so the dollar figures need to be adjusted to present value - meaning they’d be much higher now), found that the “… mean medical cost per injury of about $17,000, the 134,445 (95% confidence interval [CI], 109,465-159,425) gunshot injuries in the United States in 1994 produced $2.3 billion (95% CI, $2.1 billion-$2.5 billion) in lifetime medical costs (in 1994 dollars, using a 3% real discount rate), of which $1.1 billion (49%) was paid by US taxpayers. Gunshot injuries due to assaults accounted for 74% of total costs.”

It might not be a disease, but doctors are sure seeing a whole lot of it in their emergency rooms nationwide.

There you go again bringing facts in to the conversation. Don’t you know that Charles Grassley is allergic to them?

244 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:59:58am

re: #236 stabby

I won’t believe PBO went skeet shooting until he submits his skeet shooting long form. //

245 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:01:11am

re: #242 HappyWarrior

Her parents immigrated here and she was born not long after. By her own definition she is an anchor baby. She’d care if a law passed(not likely) that had a direct effect on her. But then again she’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer either, she also seems to have selective amnesia.

246 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:01:26am

Is there any proof that Preston doesn’t beat up puppies while singing showtunes?*
* Meant to be absurd.

247 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:01:29am

re: #240 A Mom Anon

The lie he posted right before that is:

Barack Obama Doesn’t Care About Unemployed People
by Bryan Preston

Disbanding his jobs council.

The only point of that (other than slanderous lies) was to use
this picture of Obama that, out of context, looks fatuous

248 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:02:14am

re: #245 A Mom Anon

Her parents immigrated here and she was born not long after. By her own definition she is an anchor baby. She’d care if a law passed(not likely) that had a direct effect on her. But then again she’s not the sharpest knife in the drawer either, she also seems to have selective amnesia.

I know but this is a woman who came to many’s popular attention when she wrote a piece called “In defense of internment.” She’s got yeah selective amnesia and isn’t exactly smart.

249 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:02:14am

re: #241 kirkspencer

One could then point to the Bonus Army and how President Hoover ended that when Gen. MacArthur crushed the encampment, burned the belongings despite being outnumbered by the veterans and their families.

250 A Mom Anon  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:02:35am

re: #247 stabby

He is a whirling derpish.

251 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:04:08am

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I wonder if her parents are proud of her.

252 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:04:42am

re: #251 stabby

I wonder if her parents are proud of her.

I dunno. I know little about her outside her craziness.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:05:12am

[Facepalm]

Berlusconi defends Mussolini for backing Hitler

Former Italian Premier Silvio Berlusconi praised Benito Mussolini for `’having done good” despite the Fascist dictator’s anti-Jewish laws, immediately sparking expressions of outrage as Europe on Sunday held Holocaust remembrances.

Berlusconi also defended Mussolini for allying himself with Hitler, saying he likely reasoned that it would be better to be on the winning side.

The media mogul, whose conservative forces are polling second in voter surveys ahead of next month’s election, spoke to reporters on the sidelines of a ceremony in Milan to commemorate the Holocaust.

254 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:05:39am
255 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:05:42am

Bryan Fischer Explodes: ‘Not One Loving Father’ Should Entrust Son to the Boy Scouts if Gays Are Included

Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association said that a change in the Boy Scouts’ ban on gay members would be a “suicide mission” and lead to pedophilia. While speaking to AFA news director Fred Jackson yesterday on Focal Point, Fischer said that gay men are “ten times” more likely than heterosexuals to molest children, and it would be “insanity” to have them “bunking down with your kid at jamboree.”

“To me it’s just suicidal, they are finished, they are done,” Fischer told Jackson, “There is not one loving father in America that ever, ever, ever ought to entrust his son to the Boy Scouts of America.”

256 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:06:47am

re: #253 NJDhockeyfan

[Facepalm]

Berlusconi defends Mussolini for backing Hitler

This isn’t new for Silvio. He’s always loved him some Mussolini.

257 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:07:51am

re: #255 Kragar

Bryan Fischer Explodes: ‘Not One Loving Father’ Should Entrust Son to the Boy Scouts if Gays Are Included

Funny, I wouldn’t trust my son being in an organization that bans members just because of sexuality and or religious lack of belief.

258 stabby  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:09:27am

re: #257 HappyWarrior

If I had a son I would never leave him alone in any institution that has religious fanatics.

It’s not his butt i’d be worried about.

259 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:11:00am

Rush Limbaugh Is Accusing President Obama Of Orchestrating Media Boycotts

As The Hollywood Reporter explains:

Rush Limbaugh told his radio audience Monday that President Obama is promoting a “secondary boycott” against those he disagrees with and that the mainstream media is on board with the strategy.

“I would love to take credit for this,” Limbaugh said Monday. “I’d love to say that I find myself here because of a brilliantly conceived and flawlessly executed strategy, but one of the reasons that Fox News and I stand out like sore thumbs here is because the rest of the media is gone. The rest of the media is in the tank. The rest of the media has long ago ceased doing their job. They’re not reporting, they’re not curious, they’re not holding Obama accountable. They are on board. They are part of the agenda-advancement team.”

260 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:11:52am

re: #258 stabby

If I had a son I would never leave him alone in any institution that has religious fanatics.

It’s not his butt i’d be worried about.

Yep.

261 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:13:27am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

Get an X-Ray.

10 years ago I fell and broke my ankle. I thought it was just “sprained,” dragged myself home limping on the BROKEN ANKLE and wrapped it in an ace bandage. I did not have health insurance at the time.

Years later (by the time I finally did get insurance), developed arthritis in both ankles. Orthopedist ordered xrays and noticed the remodeled broken ankle.

I’m kind of up now. Hurts. Gotta use a crutch to walk on it. Dreading going to the ER but I may end up doing that. I can move it around and such.

262 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:15:31am
263 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:16:04am
264 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:16:20am

re: #255 Kragar

Bryan Fischer Explodes: ‘Not One Loving Father’ Should Entrust Son to the Boy Scouts if Gays Are Included

But for sure, keep entrusting them to the Roman Catholic church as altar boys…..//

265 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:16:39am

Well, at least I didn’t hit my head. //

266 erik_t  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:16:57am

re: #262 Lidane

@joshtpm Scalia: The Constitution Is ‘Dead, Dead, Dead’ [Link: livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com…] … via @sahilkapur

Then I encourage him to retire, as I don’t see what purpose he thinks he can serve.

267 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:17:14am

re: #259 Kragar

So, his big bile spewing mouth, that is loosing him sponsors, is somehow PBO’s fault?

*derp*

268 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:17:41am

re: #208 Gus

I turned my ankle a few years back - walked home and toughed it out, but then when I tried to walk a few hours later, I couldn’t put any weight on it - and it was a nondisplaced avulsion fracture. Better that than torn ligaments that would have required surgery to repair.

I’d suggest a trip to the ER to rule out anything more serious. In the meantime, RICE it.

269 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:18:03am

OT: Lenny Kravitz hears kids’ choir in New Orleans doing one of his songs, joins in. Cool.

270 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:18:47am

GOP Senator Doubles Down On Benghazi Gun-Running Conspiracy After Admitting Lack Of Proof

In an interview with WND, the senator said his “suspicion, although I don’t have any proof, is that guns were being smuggled out of Libya, through Turkey and into Syria.”

“And that may be what the CIA annex was doing there,” Paul said, “and the coverup was an attempt to massage and get over this issue without getting into the gun trade.”

271 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:19:03am

re: #262 Lidane

The Reagan-appointed jurist, who shared the stage with his co-author Bryan Garner, argued that good jurisprudence is about sidelining one’s personal beliefs.

“The judge who always likes the results he reaches is a bad judge,” Scalia said.

We seem to have reached a whole new level of hypocrisy.

272 Jalal bin Smokin?  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:19:04am

Graham Says ‘Clinton Got Away With Murder’ On Benghazi, Will Hold Hagel Unless Panetta Testifies

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is still searching for the silver bullet, that one piece of testimony that will prove once and for all that the Obama administration lied during the aftermath of the Benghazi attack.

Appearing on Fox News last night, Graham made clear that he was unsatisfied with Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s testimony last week, saying, “I haven’t forgotten about Benghazi. Hillary Clinton got away with murder, in my view.” Graham’s quest for the truth has now led him to current Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta.

[sigh] It’s going to be a long 4 years.

273 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:19:22am

re: #264 Petero1818

But for sure, keep entrusting them to the Roman Catholic church as altar boys…..//

To be fair, Bryan Fischer probably doesn’t trust the Catholics either.

274 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:20:46am

Scalia: Whiny baby. I look forward to the day where this guy is no longer a Supreme Court justice.

275 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:20:49am

re: #249 lawhawk

One could then point to the Bonus Army and how President Hoover ended that when Gen. MacArthur crushed the encampment, burned the belongings despite being outnumbered by the veterans and their families.

They do it already. And what they point out is that the veterans of the bonus army weren’t armed.

(And I tend to think how Hoover dealt with the bonus army was a significant nail in his upcoming electoral defeat.)

276 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:21:08am

re: #262 Lidane

when people place historical documents above reasoned intellectual thought they negate all the progress we have made as a civilization since that time. Treating the constitution as dead, is no better than those assholes calling for sharia law.

277 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:23:18am

Fox News contributor frets Obama planning to ban Fox News

Reacting to President Barack Obama’s criticism of the role the conservative Fox News Channel plays in U.S. politics, network contributor Peter Johnson, Jr. said Monday night that the president might just find a way to ban watching Fox News.

Johnson appeared on the network’s nightly opinion show “Hannity” on Monday, where he and host Sean Hannity took Obama’s recent critique of right-wing media — wherein he told The New Republic that Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are a key stumbling block to compromise in Congress — as some sort of forthcoming policy mandate to revoke the First Amendment.

“In other words, forget about that little thing called freedom of speech, differing views,” Hannity said. “Instead, he wants any, all opposing voices to be, what, silenced? That includes the opinions that you hear on this program and watch every single night.”

278 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:23:24am

re: #263 Lidane

Dear Mr. Scalia, Article V says you’re wrong.

279 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:23:50am

re: #271 Targetpractice

We seem to have reached a whole new level of hypocrisy.

I have no problem with this part of the quote actually.
“The judge who always likes the results he reaches is a bad judge,”

It is true. But one can reach the same conclusion applying reason to a decision rather than merely accepting the constitution as dead. There are countless reasons why tough decisions need to be made that apply sound logic and reasoning yet reach “unfair” or less desirable results.

280 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:23:52am

re: #276 Petero1818

when people place historical documents above reasoned intellectual thought they negate all the progress we have made as a civilization since that time. Treating the constitution as dead, is no better than those assholes calling for sharia law.

It’s also Scalia’s way of distancing himself from his shitty opinions. “Hey, it’s not that I’m an unfeeling bastard: the Constitution makes me do it.”

Fucker.

281 Petero1818  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:26:53am

re: #280 iossarian

It’s also Scalia’s way of distancing himself from his shitty opinions. “Hey, it’s not that I’m an unfeeling bastard: the Constitution makes me do it.”

Fucker.

His document is dead unless you have enough votes for a constitutional amendment. In which case it is alive. Which is of course absurd, and renders his precious document as merely the will of the masses at any particular point in time.

282 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:30:40am

re: #277 Kragar

#gettowork

//

283 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:31:06am

re: #274 HappyWarrior

I fear we will never be Scalia-free.

284 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:32:05am

re: #272 Jalal bin Smokin

“I haven’t forgotten about Benghazi. Hillary Clinton got away with murder, in my view.”

Seriously?

285 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:33:21am

re: #284 Bulworth

Seriously?

That’s the meme on TGDN.

286 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:35:29am

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

That’s the meme on TGDN.

That makes perfect and complete logical sense once you take into account the average TGDN troglodyte is a complete fucking idiot.

287 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:36:58am

re: #277 Kragar

Fox News contributor frets Obama planning to ban Fox News

If he wanted to do that idiot, he would have done that when he had a majority in both houses of Congress. Sheesh does Fox like seek out paranoid idiots to work for them?

288 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:37:21am

Okay, archivist job with NARA submitted. Fingers crossed for an interview.

289 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:37:24am

There needs to be a word to describe the sadness one feels when they realize they are out of delicious wheat crackers but still have a significant amount of cheese left.

290 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:37:44am

re: #270 Kragar

GOP Senator Doubles Down On Benghazi Gun-Running Conspiracy After Admitting Lack Of Proof

For pity’s sake. I don’t have any proof but I suspect that Paul’s suburban residence is a secret birthing center for fourth dimensional lizardoid females who are here to have terror babies whose eventual mission is to bring about the final triumph of gay rights and make the worship of Aqua Buddha our established religion. Since Rand’s father is an obstetrician, I actually have more evidence for this than the senator does for his suspicions.

291 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:38:47am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

Okay, archivist job with NARA submitted. Fingers crossed for an interview.

Good luck!

292 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:39:03am

re: #290 Shiplord Kirel

For pity’s sake. I don’t have any proof but I suspect that Paul’s suburban residence is a secret birthing center for fourth dimensional lizardoid females who are here to have terror babies whose eventual mission is to bring about the final triumph of gay rights and make the worship of Aqua Buddha our established religion. Since Rand’s father is an obstetrician, I actually have more evidence for this than the senator does for his suspicions.

Its a theory. It needs to be given equal time to balance the argument.

293 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:39:36am

re: #287 HappyWarrior

If he wanted to do that idiot, he would have done that when he had a majority in both houses of Congress. Sheesh does Fox like seek out paranoid idiots to work for them?

No,it seeks out paranoid idiot viewers to watch them. They know that this will go down with their target audience and even get more of them as word will spread that Obama is going to shut them down right after he takes away your guns, so buy more ammo, too!!!

294 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:40:00am

re: #293 Sol Berdinowitz

No,it seeks out paranoid idiot viewers to watch them. They know that this will go down with their targetaudience and even get more of them as word will spread that Obama is going to shut them down right after he takes away your guns, so buy more ammo, too!!!

True enough.

295 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:41:06am

Rep. Pearce killed my twitter feed.

Check out the folded arms. I detect skepticism.

296 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:41:34am

re: #293 Sol Berdinowitz

No,it seeks out paranoid idiot viewers to watch them. They know that this will go down with their targetaudience and even get more of them as word will spread that Obama is going to shut them down right after he takes away your guns, so buy more ammo, too!!!

Obama to release tigers in rural areas. Be sure to buy a supply of Tiger-B-Gone, as seen on Hannity and O’Reilly!

297 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:42:23am

re: #296 Kragar

Obama to release tigers in rural areas. Be sure to buy a supply of Tiger-B-Gone, as seen on Hannity and O’Reilly!

Are Tigers proof that President Obama wants to introduce Tiger law? You know who also liked tigers!

298 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:42:46am

So, where was Senator Grassley after Dec 6, 2004? (Jeddah, Saudi Arabia)

Oh, wait, the staff that died there were just local employees. Obviously then it wasn’t such a big deal.

(spit)

299 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:42:55am

re: #297 HappyWarrior

Are Tigers proof that President Obama wants to introduce Tiger law? You know who also liked tigers!

Golf groupies

300 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:42:57am

re: #295 wrenchwench

Rep. Pearce killed my twitter feed.

Check out the folded arms. I detect skepticism.

Yeah, I suck at reading body language and it looks pretty obvious to me that they’re not buying whatever he’s talking about.

301 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:43:09am

re: #299 Kragar

Golf groupies

tigers not Tigers.

302 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:44:49am

re: #289 Kragar

There needs to be a word to describe the sadness one feels when they realize they are out of delicious wheat crackers but still have a significant amount of cheese left.

Are you cheesed off?

Overcheesed?

Cracked up?

303 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:44:49am

Ha define irony, Artur Davis the former Alabama Democratic Congressman is thinking about running for state senate here in NoVa against Dave Marsden, a Republican turned Democrat. Would love to hear Davis claim that Marsden’s ideas are “too out of touch” from a guy who moved up here because he knows he’s too moderate liberal for the Alabama GOP but just enough for Virginia GOP. And Marsden I can tell you from personal experience is one of the good guys. Really cares about young people and actually likes to listen to us rather than just be a condescending jerk.

304 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:46:03am

re: #302 wrenchwench

Are you cheesed off?

Overcheesed?

Cracked up?

Not gouda nuff.

305 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #304 Kragar

Not gouda nuff.

Then I got Jack.

306 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:48:32am

re: #304 Kragar

Not gouda nuff.

EDAM YOU KRAGAR

EDAM YOU TO HELL

307 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:49:02am

I cheddar to think where this thread is going to go…

308 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:49:33am

re: #307 iossarian

I cheddar to think where this thread is going to go…

Cheesy puns? No pun intended.

309 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:50:19am

re: #304 Kragar

Not gouda nuff.

What, you think you’re a munster? No, Kragar, urda top cheese.

310 iossarian  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:51:36am

Brie back later…

311 lawhawk  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:52:23am

re: #307 iossarian

I’m paneering around the corner and aura gonna be in trouble with the Murcian(s).

312 erik_t  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:54:08am

re: #309 kirkspencer

What, you think you’re a munster? No, Kragar, urda top cheese.

Charles Havarti warned you guys a few times, cut it the hell out with the stupid puns!

313 makeitstop  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:54:55am

That swissing sound you heard was the cheese jokes going over my head.

314 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:55:23am

re: #96 Vicious Babushka

Wait, what?

Spews a man that is apparently ignorant of the BSA’s youth protection policies…and is just plain ignorant.

315 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:55:35am

Well, got to get horizontal and get this thing elevated. Ouch, ouch, ouch. Later.

316 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:55:37am

re: #261 Gus

I’m kind of up now. Hurts. Gotta use a crutch to walk on it. Dreading going to the ER but I may end up doing that. I can move it around and such.

Go to the doctor. Damn it, we NEED you here!

317 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:55:58am

re: #313 makeitstop

That swissing sound you heard was the cheese jokes going over my head.

I thought it was more of a whizzing sound, like the guitar track on a Velveeta Underground album

318 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:58:40am

re: #295 wrenchwench

Rep. Pearce killed my twitter feed.

Check out the folded arms. I detect skepticism.

Because nothing says “Treating minorities with respect” like a modern Republican.

319 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:59:25am

re: #314 TedStriker

Spews a man that is apparently ignorant of the BSA’s youth protection policies…and is just plain ignorant.

Yeah, I remember having to help my Dad study for that when he was my kid brother’s assistant den leader. As I recall, no adults of any gender are allowed to share any tent with a scout.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:59:26am

No-Go Zones: Map Will Detail Germany’s Neo-Nazi Hotspots

A German nonprofit organization is set to launch an interactive map that will show where neo-Nazi activities are concentrated across the country. Designed as a research tool, it also has relevance for the broader public, who may use it in a manner similar to crime map websites.

321 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 10:59:52am

re: #261 Gus

I’m kind of up now. Hurts. Gotta use a crutch to walk on it. Dreading going to the ER but I may end up doing that. I can move it around and such.

If you have a doctor and insurance, call him/her about it. Many can get you into an x-ray and treatment as fast as you can get through the ER, and since it will be ordered by your physician it’ll be easier on your pocketbook.

But get it x-rayed. Seriously.

322 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:00:40am

NRA’s LaPierre: Universal Background Checks A Waste Of Time

LaPierre is among those scheduled to tesify at the Senate Judiciary Committee’s gun violence hearing Wednesday. The NRA sent out his testimony Tuesday. LaPierre once again plans to tout the NRA’s call for armed guards in every school as well as the group’s call for loosen privacy laws the group says keep mental health records from being included in the extisting background check system. But when it comes to expanding background checks to cover all firearms transactions, LaPierre will tell the Senate there’s little point.

“When it comes to the issue of background checks, let’s be honest – background checks will never be ‘universal’ – because criminals will never submit to them,” LaPierre’s testimony reads.

Because none of the guns used in any of the recent shootings were obtained legally.

Wait a sec…

323 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:01:10am

re: #322 Kragar

NRA’s LaPierre: Universal Background Checks A Waste Of Time

Because none of the guns used in any of the recent shootings were obtained legally.

Wait a sec…

Says the man who blames 1990’s films for a 2012 shooting.

324 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:01:50am

re: #319 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I remember having to help my Dad study for that when he was my kid brother’s assistant den leader. As I recall, no adults of any gender are allowed to share any tent with a scout.

Except for parents and their own kids.

325 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:02:05am

re: #322 Kragar

NRA’s LaPierre: Universal Background Checks A Waste Of Time

Because none of the guns used in any of the recent shootings were obtained legally.

Wait a sec…

The usual meme at The Godwinning Derp Nuts is

But OBUMA NEVER PAST A BACKGROUND CHECK!1!

326 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:03:07am

Dafuq?

327 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:03:55am

re: #324 TedStriker

Except for parents and their own kids.

Right. Thanks.

328 jaunte  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:04:18am

re: #326 Lidane

Camp Lemonniere begs to differ.

329 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:04:31am

re: #322 Kragar

NRA’s LaPierre: Universal Background Checks A Waste Of Time

Because none of the guns used in any of the recent shootings were obtained legally.

Wait a sec…

What do you want to bet he believes that there’s a 100% reliable way to determine if one is mentally ill?

330 TedStriker  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:04:36am

re: #324 TedStriker

Except for parents and their own kids.

As a matter of fact, the reason why the BSA has these policies in place is because of (mostly) married “family men” who liked to diddle little kids. Pedophilia is not about sex, though that is a means to an end and a bonus for the pervs; it’s about control and power over others.

No gay folks in all of those leader abuse scandals, AFAIK.

331 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:04:59am
Last week, Gov. Susana Martinez announced that New Mexico’s 2012 four-year high school graduation rate jumped to 70 percent just a year after federal data showed the state’s 63 percent rate was one of the worst in the nation.

This week we find out they didn’t have to take the exit exam for the first time.

332 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:05:03am

re: #326 Lidane

Dafuq?

Heh, his foreign policy is anything but isolationist. You can’t rag on him for Libya and then say his foreign policy is isolationist especially if you also believe the American apology tour nonsense.

333 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:05:45am

re: #331 wrenchwench

This week we find out they didn’t have to take the exit exam for the first time.

Is there going to be serious opposition for her in 2014?

334 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:06:13am

re: #329 Targetpractice

What do you want to bet he believes that there’s a 100% reliable way to determine if one is mentally ill?

I’d place good odds on it.

335 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:07:00am

BECUZ GOIN 2 VEGAS IZ EXPENSIVE U GUYZ:

336 Mattand  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:07:30am

Regarding the BSA change of heart: It’s great that they might be changing their tune regarding LGBT folks, but are atheists/non-believers still on their shit list?

337 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:07:59am

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Is there going to be serious opposition for her in 2014?

I’m guessing the office will go Democrat, but I don’t know who’s going to run. Probably Gary King, whose father was governor three times. He’s the Attorney general now.

338 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:08:22am

re: #329 Targetpractice

What do you want to bet he believes that there’s a 100% reliable way to determine if one is mentally ill?

One easy test:

1) Are you a member of the NRA?

339 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:08:40am

A deep thinker expresses himself:

340 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:10:52am

re: #339 Lidane

A deep thinker expresses himself:

I think therefore, I don’t. Okay, let’s say we do that. People like shit for brains oppose policies that make it easier to emigrate easier and they decry legislation like Hart-Cellar that got rid of quotas on immigration from certain parts of the world. I specifically remember Bachmann bitching about that one at the debates.

341 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:11:10am

re: #338 Kragar

One easy test:

1) Are you a member of the NRA?

heh.

More seriously, he’s got some magical thinking. See, he thinks it should be easier to get people involuntarily committed for evaluation, that people determined to be mentally ill should be held till they’re stable and controlled, that repeat offenders (people who are fine on drugs but who don’t take their drugs) should be highly restricted even though they’re stable and controlled. And do this, somehow, with no increase of taxes or government services. Somehow private industry will do it just fine.

342 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:11:13am

re: #339 Lidane

A deep thinker expresses himself:

Moron.

343 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:11:21am

re: #339 Lidane

A deep thinker expresses himself:

He wants to say that 11 million times, more power to him. Keep a camera handy for when the first one either spits in his face, cracks his jaw, or starts screaming at him.

344 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:11:52am

re: #337 wrenchwench

I’m guessing the office will go Democrat, but I don’t know who’s going to run. Probably Gary King, whose father was governor three times. He’s the Attorney general now.

Gotcha. Terry McAuliffe’s looking like the likely nominee for governor here against Crazy Ken Cuccinnelli and Suddenly somewhat sane Bill Bolling, the current AG and Lt Governor respectively, both Republicans.

345 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:13:12am

Michael Moon @Moondizog

#immigrationreform should be. Oh you are here illegally? Leave. Come back when you do it legally. There…I reformed it.

so you’ll be cleaning the toilets in the bar yourself from now on?

346 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:13:41am

re: #341 kirkspencer

heh.

More seriously, he’s got some magical thinking. See, he thinks it should be easier to get people involuntarily committed for evaluation, that people determined to be mentally ill should be held till they’re stable and controlled, that repeat offenders (people who are fine on drugs but who don’t take their drugs) should be highly restricted even though they’re stable and controlled. And do this, somehow, with no increase of taxes or government services. Somehow private industry will do it just fine.

Yep. And then there’s his genius idea to ban video games and movies he doesn’t like because banning bazookas is a threat to our liberties but banning free speech is great. Of course, his moronic organization released a shooter game directed at kids not long after Newtown happened so Wayne obviously isn’t the smartest tool in the shed.

347 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:13:47am

The same people who scream about illegal immigrants killing the country are the same ones who scream bloody murder when the price of their groceries, clothes or gadgets go up a dime.

348 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:13:52am

re: #338 Kragar

One easy test:

1) Are you a member of the NRA?

I’d look him in the face and ask “Mr. LaPierre, if its your belief that criminals will avoid background checks, why help them by increasing the number of people who will sell them a gun?”

349 jaunte  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:13:57am

re: #343 Targetpractice

One week of picking his own produce and he’ll change his mind.

350 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:14:09am

re: #347 Kragar

The same people who scream about illegal immigrants killing the country are the same ones who scream bloody murder when the price of their groceries, clothes or gadgets go up a dime.

DAMNED UNIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

351 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:14:20am

re: #345 engineer cat

Michael Moon @Moondizog

#immigrationreform should be. Oh you are here illegally? Leave. Come back when you do it legally. There…I reformed it.

so you’ll be cleaning the toilets in the bar yourself from now on?

Sewing his own clothes, harvesting crops, the whole deal.

352 erik_t  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:15:02am

re: #326 Lidane

Dafuq?

@ClaySikes American isolationism: Obama’s unfolding signature policy [Link: www.issacharianpost.com…] … #tcot, #sgp, #lnyhbt, #TGDN, #TIP, #GOP, #teaparty, #cot

How much you wanna bet this dumbshit is a LUAP NOR disciple?

I thought an isolationist foreign policy was supposed to be a good thing.

353 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:15:02am

re: #347 Kragar

The same people who scream about illegal immigrants killing the country are the same ones who scream bloody murder when the price of their groceries, clothes or gadgets go up a dime.

I work in a sub shop, and folks don’t really grasp just how much the price of a box of tomatoes has gone up in the wake of Mississippi’s immigration “reform.”

354 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:16:08am

Bad twitter juxtaposition:

355 kirkspencer  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:16:33am

re: #340 HappyWarrior

I think therefore, I don’t. Okay, let’s say we do that. People like shit for brains oppose policies that make it easier to emigrate easier and they decry legislation like Hart-Cellar that got rid of quotas on immigration from certain parts of the world. I specifically remember Bachmann bitching about that one at the debates.

I’ve been in favor of removing immigration caps for a long time. There are legitimate problems with that position, but it also removes a lot of problems I think are worse.

Notice I said caps. Not restrictions on things like criminal history and such, nothing on the category of deportation of immigrants not yet citizens for various actions. Just remove the cap on how many can enter the country with the intent of immigrating.

I think it’d be tumultuous for about four years, then a new stability would develop. And incidentally the nation would probably be rejuvenated.

356 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:16:48am

re: #354 wrenchwench

Bad twitter juxtaposition:

Bad… or better?

357 Jalal bin Smokin?  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:17:12am

re: #339 Lidane

A deep thinker expresses himself:

M O O N , that spells ‘deep thinker’.

358 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:17:16am

re: #326 Lidane

Dafuq?

Note the fairly high Hashtag Insanity Indicator Index.

359 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:18:19am

re: #350 HappyWarrior

That and all the gubmit tyranny and regulashuns.

360 Bulworth  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:18:54am

re: #357 Jalal bin Smokin?

I see what you did there, Stephen King.

361 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:19:49am

re: #355 kirkspencer

I’ve been in favor of removing immigration caps for a long time. There are legitimate problems with that position, but it also removes a lot of problems I think are worse.

Notice I said caps. Not restrictions on things like criminal history and such, nothing on the category of deportation of immigrants not yet citizens for various actions. Just remove the cap on how many can enter the country with the intent of immigrating.

I think it’d be tumultuous for about four years, then a new stability would develop. And incidentally the nation would probably be rejuvenated.

I’m strongly in favor of easing and streamling immigration, just so people who are here who want to live productive lives free of fear are allowed to do so, while Law Enforcement can focus on finding real criminals, not a gardener who overstayed their visa or a spouse who married an American without filling out the right forms first.

362 engineer cat  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:19:56am

what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander

all the executives who’ve mandated that the ‘agile’ development process be followed in the pgming shops should be required to observe it themselves

that means having a planning session for every two week period where you ‘break down’ all the ‘tasks’ you plan on doing in the next two weeks, write them down on sticky notes, and put hour estimates on all of them

then every day you get to stand up in front of your managers and account for every hour you spend the previous day, and mark the time off on the sticky notes. if the actual tasks get out of synch with your sticky notes, you can explain why you failed to plan properly

but somehow i tend to think that executives would feel that they shouldn’t be required to work this way

363 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 11:26:54am

re: #361 Kragar

I’m strongly in favor of easing and streamling immigration, just so people who are here who want to live productive lives free of fear are allowed to do so, while Law Enforcement can focus on finding real criminals, not a gardener who overstayed their visa or a spouse who married an American without filling out the right forms first.

Definitely, this.

364 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 12:10:20pm

re: #296 Kragar

Obama to release tigers in rural areas. Be sure to buy a supply of Tiger-B-Gone, as seen on Hannity and O’Reilly!

Can’t afford to. Busy stocking up on high-capacity water bottles for my bike before they get banned.
/

365 Lidane  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 12:17:12pm
366 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 12:18:08pm

re: #339 Lidane

A deep thinker expresses himself:

Why, oh why has this man not been elected President! Just think how easy law enforcement will be when the police could just walk up and ask one if they were a criminal? Or a representative of the EPA asking industrialists about pollution? Or even the results in a simple Congressional hearing!
///

367 greenmamba  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 1:56:05pm

I don’t think anyone’s posted this yet. Once again NBC editing has entirely changed the meaning of what happened here. Here’s the full video - releveant bit around 15:00:

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

368 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:01:28pm

re: #367 greenmamba

I don’t think anyone’s posted this yet. Once again NBC editing has entirely changed the meaning of what happened here. Here’s the full video - releveant bit around 15:00:

[Link: tinyurl.com…]

It’s people like you that give the Class of 2004 a bad name.

369 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:01:44pm

Class of 04 no less.

370 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:02:33pm

re: #369 Bubblehead II

Class of 04 no less.

Hey…

371 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:04:17pm

re: #370 wrenchwench

Hey…

Complete asshole, right?

372 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:05:11pm

I watched both videos of the hearing, and the accusation that the NBC clip was “deceptively edited” is just more idiotic bullshit from the Daily Caller’s head moron, “Jim Treacher.”

The unedited video has a lot of dead air. Long pauses. They edited it to remove the long pauses. End of story.

The chair specifically admonished the gun nuts to stop interrupting Neil Heslin’s testimony. They were completely out of order, and “heckling” is a good word for it. The excuse that they were just “answering his question” is laughable.

The unedited video does not make these cretins who interrupted his testimony look one bit better.

373 Bubblehead II  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:05:27pm

What can I say? A large number from that year did implode. But admittedly, so did a large number of the class of 07.

374 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:05:30pm

re: #371 Kragar

Complete asshole, right?

It’s the June 15ers you gotta watch out for.

375 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:06:21pm

re: #374 wrenchwench

It’s the June 15ers you gotta watch out for.

Yeah, they’re the real assholes.

376 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:06:53pm

re: #375 Kragar

Yeah, they’re the real assholes.

Oh, hi Charles!

377 Targetpractice  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:07:14pm

re: #374 wrenchwench

It’s the June 15ers you gotta watch out for.

OI!

378 Kragar  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:07:56pm

re: #377 Targetpractice

OI!

Case in point.
/

379 Political Atheist  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:15:27pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Antonio Villagairosa for one.

380 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 2:17:44pm

re: #379 Political Atheist

Antonio Villagairosa for one.

He’s going to run for governor of New Mexico? He better get his ass over here now.

381 greenmamba  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 3:08:11pm

re: #372 Charles Johnson

Fair enough if you see it that way Charles, although the words, “heckling” and “interrupting” mean that there are no pauses at all; those activities involve cutting a speaker off. Heslin challenged the audience and only then got a couple of answers.

My intention was simply to supply updated information and I see I was wrong to do so.

382 wrenchwench  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 3:12:36pm

re: #381 greenmamba

Fair enough if you see it that way Charles, although the words, “heckling” and “interrupting” mean that there are no pauses at all; those activities involve cutting a speaker off. Heslin challenged the audience and only then got a couple of answers.

My intention was simply to supply updated information and I see I was wrong to do so.

You weren’t wrong to supply updated information, you were wrong to supply bogus information.

383 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 3:16:06pm

re: #381 greenmamba

To me, this is just amazingly crappy behavior, and watching the whole video makes it worse, because you can see this poor guy struggling to say what was on his mind, devastated by the loss of his child.

Anyone who thinks the proper answer to his grief-stricken question “Why does anyone need these assault weapons?” is “The Second Amendment!” has a big chunk of their soul missing.

384 Gus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:22:55pm

Judging by the nasally voices of the hecklers, they sounded like a bunch of truthers. No wait. They’re no doubt truthers since the guns nuts have now morphed into a bunch of PrisonPlanet, Infowars watching, Alex Jones nuts.

385 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:28:59pm

re: #384 Gus

There were at least a dozen of these loons in the room, probably sitting there seething while Mr. Heslin spoke.

386 Photios  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 6:57:35pm

From Slate, there was no heckling. They have the unedited video.

Was the Sandy Hook Dad Really “Heckled”? The Video Suggests Otherwise.

At around the 15-minute mark in the video below you’ll hear an untold number of gun-rights supporters shout out a variety of Second Amendment-related remarks, just as the the Connecticut Post originally reported occurred in a story headlined “Father of Newtown victim heckled at hearing.” But the video also shows that those who interjected were responding to a question posed by Heslin.
“Is there anybody in this room that can give me one reason or challenge this question, why anybody in this room needs to have one of these assault-style weapons or military weapons or high-capacity clips?” Heslin said before pausing and looking around the room. He then continued: “And not one person can answer that question or give me an answer.” It was at that point that the cries of “Second Amendment” can be heard.

Now it’s worth pointing out that the audience members aren’t supposed to interrupt a witness—a lawmaker running the hearing can be heard asking for the crowd to be quiet—and it’s possible that Heslin’s question was a rhetorical one, and his pause was simply for dramatic effect. But regardless, it’s fairly clear that those gun-rights advocates who spoke up were doing so in response to what they heard as a question. Even if such actions represent an interruption they nonetheless appear to fall well short of heckling, an act that most often comes with an air of harassment associated with it.

If the exchange between Heslin and the pro-gun audience members was noteworthy at all, it’s likely because of how relatively civil the whole thing was. The gun-rights advocates quickly quiet down after their short responses; Heslin appears largely unfazed by the shouts.

We should be careful about demonizing those with whom we disagree.

+Photios

387 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:15:41pm

re: #386 Photios

From Slate, there was no heckling. They have the unedited video.

Was the Sandy Hook Dad Really “Heckled”? The Video Suggests Otherwise.

We should be careful about demonizing those with whom we disagree.

+Photios

I today old lizards Cone out of hybernation day or something? This makes two members of the class of 2004 who just about never post suddenly showing up….

Also I am with Charles “second amendment” as written may give you the right to own an assault weapon, but it does not give you a reason to own one.

388 Photios  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:34:58pm

re: #387 jamesfirecat

Also I am with Charles “second amendment” as written may give you the right to own an assault weapon, but it does not give you a reason to own one.

I agree. I will not now argue about what constitutes an “assault weapon”, but it is true that having the right to own one does not mean that there is a reason to own one.

However, I would really enjoy taking an AR15 to the range. I have never fired one. I understand that they are fun to shoot and are often used in competitions. In fact, I have only shot with the weapons required for my watch qualifications in the Submarine Force.

I also agree with those who call for more control over who can own weapons. Clearly not everyone should be permitted to own a gun. No right is absolute.

Going to dinner with my wife, so good night.

+Photios

389 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 7:38:31pm

re: #388 Photios

I agree. I will not now argue about what constitutes an “assault weapon”, but it is true that having the right to own one does not mean that there is a reason to own one.

However, I would really enjoy taking an AR15 to the range. I have never fired one. I understand that they are fun to shoot and are often used in competitions. In fact, I have only shot with the weapons required for my watch qualifications in the Submarine Force.

I also agree with those who call for more control over who can own weapons. Clearly not everyone should be permitted to own a gun. No right is absolute.

Going to dinner with my wife, so good night.

+Photios

My solution to this problem is have the ranges loan guns to people who go there, people can shoot those guns, but they can also be more safely locked up when not in use.

390 jlapidus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:22:55pm

I had believed the heckling story too, which apparently had originated with the Connecticut Post and was picked up by the blogosphere.

This evening, however, I watched the entire, unedited video.
The was no heckling.

The audience was respectful throughout Mr. Heslin’s testimony. When he challenged attendees with a question, to which he seemingly wanted an answer, a few gun advocates briefly responded. When the chairman called for order, they quickly obeyed.

391 jlapidus  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:26:39pm

re: #7 Sol Berdinowitz

I had believed the heckling story too, first reported in the Connecticut Post.
This evening, however, I watched the entire, unedited video.
I urge everyone to do the same.

You may come to a different conclusion.

392 JeffFX  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:38:25pm

re: #174 Eventual Carrion

My den leader when I was in the scouts was the mother of one of my scout mates. I think she had sex with a male at least on one occasion.

Cub Scouts have Den Mothers. In my experience the Boy Scouts always have male leadership.

SO not defending Mr Fischer’s outburst in any way.

393 JeffFX  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 8:40:02pm

re: #383 Charles Johnson

Anyone who thinks the proper answer to his grief-stricken question “Why does anyone need these assault weapons?” is “The Second Amendment!” has a big chunk of their soul missing.

And a big chunk of their brain of course.

394 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:22:39pm

The gun cult is out in force on this story.

395 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:23:34pm

We even have long-inactive LGF accounts suddenly popping up to promote the gun lobby’s lies.

396 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jan 29, 2013 9:27:04pm

The Attack of the Dead Thread Heroes.


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