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Arizona Group Seeks to Ban Destruction of Guns Turned in by Owners

A bill sponsored by 16 Republicans and one Democrat
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Last month’s destruction of hundreds of guns turned in at a [Tucson] city buyback event may be the last.

A gun-rights group is pressing the Legislature to block municipalities from destroying guns voluntarily turned in to police departments.

The Arizona Citizens Defense League requested a change in the law adding guns “surrendered” willfully by the owner to the list of firearms police departments must recirculate back into the market.

[…]

Heller said if another “buy-up” occurs, the new language would make it clear the weapons must be sold to a licensed dealer.

“What that does is, it takes them out of the hands of a person who doesn’t want it, and puts it in the legitimate hands of someone who does,” Heller said.

Councilman Steve Kozachik said the bill underscores an inconsistency among folks who would normally champion property rights.

“This bill clearly illustrates that some people don’t view guns like toasters. When it comes to guns, it’s as though they hold some magical or sacred designation in their lives,” Kozachik said. “They go around proclaiming to be for private property, but civil liberties are out the window when it comes to guns. I guess the message is, we can’t do what we want with our property in this state if that property is a firearm.”

[…]

The practical impact of the law is unclear. No more gun buybacks are planned, and TPD spokeswoman Sgt. Maria Hawke said the department doesn’t currently tally or track other guns that are voluntarily turned in.

She said they are logged into evidence under the classification of “safekeeping,” which is similar to guns found by officers or citizens and turned in to the evidence section.

Hawke said once those guns are cleared, they are turned over to a local company TPD contracts with where the guns are destroyed. She said she couldn’t reveal the company’s information for security reasons.

[…]

More: Group Seeks to Ban Destruction of Guns That Owners Turn In

Links to the bill and its sponsors can be found here.

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111 comments

1 KiTA  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:29:58am

Won’t someone think of the children guns?!

2 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:40:52am

Wow. Completely nuts. These people have turned guns into fetish objects.

3 jaunte  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:45:14am

Some relevant passages:

A. A state, county, city or town agency shall dispose of all property that was used as evidence and that remains unclaimed in the hands of the agency, after final disposition of the cause in which so used, or that was seized by a peace officer as being used unlawfully or for an unlawful purpose and that was held unclaimed from the date of seizure, or that came into the hands of the agency as unclaimed or contraband. A law enforcement agency may retain and use those items that have a useful value to that law enforcement agency.

…snip…

B. Notwithstanding subsection A of this section, if the property is a firearm, the court shall order the firearm to be sold AGENCY SHALL SELL THE FIREARM to any business that is authorized to receive and dispose of the firearm under federal and state law and that shall sell the firearm to the public according to federal and state law, unless the firearm is otherwise prohibited from being sold under federal and state law. A law enforcement agency may trade a firearm that it has retained to a federal firearms licensed business for ammunition, weapons, equipment or other materials to be exclusively used for law enforcement purposes.

Thou Shalt Never Destroy the Holy Objects (even if it means less profit for the gun makers).

4 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:48:45am

WTF?

“It’s already in the law. The problem is they’re misconstruing the law. So we’re changing the words so their perfidy is made very clear,” Heller said. […]

Perfidy? Seriously?

This isn’t about individual rights, Heller said, but the role of government.

Heller said the purpose of government as defined by Arizona’s Constitution is to protect people’s rights, not destroy firearms. […]

So….um…. does not compute. People shouldn’t have the option to voluntarily turn in their firearms knowing they’ll be destroyed? It’s not about their individual rights, it’s about government not having the right to destroy firearms because…

I can’t seem to twist my brain around the logic of this. Let me try again: If people are tuning in their firearms knowing they’ll be destroyed, it’s probably safe to assume it’s because they don’t want them and feel good knowing they can’t end up back on the street. But according to this group that is a bad thing and the government should forbid itself the power to destroy those firearms because…? Why? Do the firearms have the right not to be destroyed? Or is it, “Because SHUT UP, that’s why.” I’m at a total loss here…

5 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 11:50:41am

re: #1 KiTA

re: #2 Charles Johnson

re: #3 jaunte

Phew! So it IS stupid. There for a minute I thought the problem was me.

6 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:00:56pm

re: #5 CuriousLurker

re: #2 Charles Johnson

re: #3 jaunte

Phew! So it IS stupid. There for a minute I thought the problem was me.

The problem is Arizona. Keep that in mind when you attempt to make sense of what comes out of there.

7 Skip Intro  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 12:10:24pm
A gun-rights group is pressing the Legislature to block municipalities from destroying guns voluntarily turned in to police departments.

The Arizona Citizens Defense League requested a change in the law adding guns “surrendered” willfully by the owner to the list of firearms police departments must recirculate back into the market.

My guess is that the NRA is going to hate that idea. The whole reason the NRA exists is to enable gun manufacturers to sell more guns. Recycling existing guns undercuts the market.

8 Political Atheist  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 1:41:21pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

Caveat-Not defending anything the GOP said here, okay?

Chiming in because we went through this in L.A. 20 years ago. Just policy, not legislation then though.

As was pointed out elsewhere, there will be historic/museum collectible guns from time to time.

As long as the guns are sold only through a dealer, there is no registration loophole to deal with. B/g checks and all. Can be a good little revenue stream for the Police department. There will be good L.E. approved model guns, and young cops will gladly take a good deal to buy their own firearms.

By and large anyone who buys one of these would just buy another gun, maybe a new one. Not much of a net gain really.

Maybe given a revenue stream, more gun buys can happen taking more guns from people that do not want them around, and keeping those people from selling off book. Without the b/g check.

Guns are not hard to destroy. So anyone that wants the surety of it’s destruction can see to it with a simple hacksaw or big mallet. An ordinary welding torch will make short work of any gun. Or the PD can have a checkbox on the tag on the gun-Destroy/Not For Resale.

9 efuseakay  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:17:00pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Wow. Completely nuts. These people have turned guns into fetish objects.

Ya think?

Free Republic has this image all over their site

10 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:17:30pm
11 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:18:43pm

re: #7 Skip Intro

My guess is that the NRA is going to hate that idea. The whole reason the NRA exists is to enable gun manufacturers to sell more guns. Recycling existing guns undercuts the market.

It would probably be a push for them. After all, the gun dealers who would be buying those redistributed weapons would be reselling them for a profit.

12 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:23:02pm

re: #9 efuseakay

Ya think?

Free Republic has this image all over their site

Ugh, yeah, I’ve seen that over there. It always reminds me of this kind of stuff. Same mentality, different religion.

13 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:24:43pm

Okay, let’s look at this a slightly different way.

Someone chooses to sell the rifle to another person. Completely without any kind of coercion - it’s a straight sale for consideration. Inarguably, the purchaser has the right to do whatever they want with the firearm.

If the buyer wanted to take the gun and strip it down for parts, they could do it. If they wanted to bend the barrel all the way around to make a hoop, they could do that too.

But when the buyer is a government? How exactly is that different? No one is forcing the seller to sell to the government in these buybacks. Seller is getting consideration. Buyer just happens to be the seller.

14 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:26:38pm

re: #8 Political Atheist

Those are all good points, but I still think legislating an outright ban on the destruction of guns voluntarily turned in is kind of ridiculous.

15 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:27:26pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

*SIGH*

16 Kragar  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:28:20pm

re: #9 efuseakay

Ya think?

Free Republic has this image all over their site

Fucking hell

17 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:28:59pm

The capitalist in me cringes when I read these things. I think, “no, no, you can sell them”.

Rare and Collectible could be donated for the tax write-off.

I know, we don’t need them all, but at least you could sell them for the cost of scrap. then melt them down.

But, to, to , just give them away????

*shiver* (cue Michael J. Fox’s character in Family Ties)

:0

18 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:29:53pm

I’m a Tweeting fool this afternoon.

I’m trying to convince someone from TGDN that they’re being taken advantage of by grifters, and they agreed that there are a lot of grifters, but then told me Obama is a Marxist, with no awareness that that’s part of the grift. I still might get through, but won’t be disappointed if I don’t.

If we could cut the less-deranged TGDNers out of the pack, and offer them some grounding in reality, that would be great. I think VB will probably have more success with that than I will.

The reality is that we’d all be shoulder to shoulder with them if the government actually became tyrannical, so we’re not enemies, they don’t need to be afraid, and they’re just very confused.

It is not easy to communicate anything of depth on Twitter.

19 bratwurst  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:30:01pm

Won’t SOMEONE think of the GUNS?!?!?!

Edit: Obviously, bad reading on my part…was beaten to this in post #1!

20 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:30:08pm

re: #11 RadicalModerate

It would probably be a push for them. After all, the gun dealers who would be buying those redistributed weapons would be reselling them for a profit.

Yes, it is pure profit for the government if people just turn them in.

My bank account just screams at this idea.

21 RadicalModerate  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:30:08pm

I can already see how this is going to play out in the derposphere:

Report: Obama leaving the Oval Office, for another

Real Clear Politics reported Friday that President Barack Obama will vacate the Oval Office for a major West Wing renovation project but will take up a desk in a “nearly identical replica.”
[…]
The office as it is known today was built under President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1934, though it was initially constructed in 1909 and rebuilt after a fire 20 years later.

Presidential historian Martha Joynt Kumar - a political science professor at Towson University and director of the non-partisan White House Transition Project - said the West Wing has been renovated in a “patchwork” way over the decades but major and necessary “electrical work … restructuring of office space … [and other] structural work” would not be feasible while the Oval and surrounding offices are in use.

22 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:31:13pm

re: #1 KiTA

Won’t someone think of the children guns?!

#gunsoverpeople

23 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:31:30pm

re: #18 JeffFX

I’m a Tweeting fool this afternoon.

I’m trying to convince someone from TGDN that they’re being taken advantage of by grifters, and they agreed that there are a lot of grifters, but then told me Obama is a Marxist, with no awareness that that’s part of the grift. I still might get through, but won’t be disappointed if I don’t.

If we could cut the less-deranged TGDNers out of the pack, and offer them some grounding in reality, that would be great. I think VB will probably have more success with that than I will.

The reality is that we’d all be shoulder to shoulder with them if the government actually became tyrannical, so we’re not enemies, they don’t need to be afraid, and they’re just very confused.

It is not easy to communicate anything of depth on Twitter.

Just ask if their “source” accepts Visa, Mastercard, American Express and PaPal.

24 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:32:10pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

I can already see how this is going to play out in the derposphere:

Report: Obama leaving the Oval Office, for another

Now I want to drug Obama and put him in the duplicate office to freak him out when he opens the door to the wrong hallway.

25 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:32:10pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

I can already see how this is going to play out in the derposphere:

Report: Obama leaving the Oval Office, for another

Oh boy, here we go again… *headdesk*

26 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:32:27pm

I oppose the destruction of perfectly good marijuana. //

27 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:32:55pm

re: #26 Gus

I oppose the destruction of perfectly good marijuana. //

You best not be kidding about that!

28 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:33:06pm

re: #26 Gus

I oppose the destruction of perfectly good marijuana. //

Yes, you see my point!!

:0

29 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:34:01pm

re: #21 RadicalModerate

I can already see how this is going to play out in the derposphere:

Report: Obama leaving the Oval Office, for another

Lies! It’s not related to construction… IT’S A PLOT!!11ty #TGDN

30 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:34:13pm

re: #26 Gus

I oppose the destruction of perfectly good marijuana. //

Now there’s something they could make money off of. //

31 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:35:01pm

re: #30 CuriousLurker

Now there’s something they could make money off of. //

You don’t get down off of a joint.

:0

32 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:37:36pm

You kids, all hopped up on your mary jane.

33 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:38:49pm

Godwin:

34 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:39:09pm

Introducing Upside Downton Abbey, from the Geniuses at Sesame Street

The ultimate sign of success, being parodied on Sesame Street!

35 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:39:31pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

You kids, all hopped up on your mary jane.

We wish

*sigh*

36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:41:21pm

re: #32 Charles Johnson

You kids, all hopped up on your mary jane.

let’s hear it for med cards!

37 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:42:08pm

re: #35 FemNaziBitch

We wish

*sigh*

Yep, clean living here these days. Gained a few IQ points in the process, but I still miss it.

38 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:42:10pm

re: #26 Gus

I oppose the destruction of perfectly good marijuana. //

Not me I destroy my share.

39 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:43:04pm

The Church of the Holy Implement demands that all guns never ever be destroyed as to appease the Great Gods of Firearms.

40 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:44:16pm

Worshiped like idols. What if they are melted down to make a bigger idol.. er gun?

41 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:44:24pm

Are any of you guys watching Copper? It freaking ROCKS. I’m about halfway through the first season. Here’s the season 1 trailer:

42 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:46:22pm

re: #37 JeffFX

Yep, clean living here these days. Gained a few IQ points in the process, but I still miss it.

Same here. Haven’t touched the stuff in 20 years, but I still enjoy smelling it when someone walk by on the street toking on one, heh.

43 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:47:57pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

Haven’t touched the stuff in 20 years

35+ for me

Ahh, the joys of a proper Vodka Martini though!!

44 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:48:04pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

I never did that sort of thing. Science Fiction is my thing and best of all it cannot be detected by any drug test.

45 jaunte  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:50:07pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

Hari Seldon knew you would say that.

46 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:50:46pm

re: #43 sattv4u2

Haven’t touched the stuff in 20 years

35+ for me

Ahh, the joys of a proper Vodka Martini though!!

I don’t drink either.

:)

That I don’t miss.

47 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:50:57pm

Cue the fauxtrage!

48 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:50:59pm

re: #44 PhillyPretzel

I never did that sort of thing. Science Fiction is my thing and best of all it cannot be detected by any drug test.

I did both, now just Sci-Fi.

49 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:51:25pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

Same here. Haven’t touched the stuff in 20 years, but I still enjoy smelling it when someone walk by on the street toking on one, heh.

I’d probably ask for a toke, but this does not happen to me.

50 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:52:15pm

re: #46 FemNaziBitch

I don’t drink either.

:)

That I don’t miss.

Same here. I never really liked alcohol much, especially anything fermented like beer or wine. Blech.

51 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:52:47pm

re: #48 FemNaziBitch

I did both, now just Sci-Fi.

Marijuana is essential to getting through the first season of Babylon 5 (Bongalong 5), and it’s so worth getting through the weak season for the great 3 to follow.

52 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:53:05pm

re: #45 jaunte

Hari Seldon knew you would say that.

Unless the Mule has already come.

Asimov was some of the first fiction I read, and it is a bit alarming how well I remember it compared to how poorly I remember most more recent reading.

53 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:53:16pm

re: #50 CuriousLurker

Same here. I never really liked alcohol much, especially anything fermented like beer or wine. Blech.

That leaves Sci-Fi and Yoga.

Now, with the War on Yoga, you just don’t know…

54 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:53:45pm

re: #53 FemNaziBitch

That leaves Sci-Fi and Yoga.

Now, with the War on Yoga, you just don’t know…

And SyFy being wrestling. Nothing is left!

55 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:54:06pm

re: #46 FemNaziBitch

I don’t drink either.

:)

That I don’t miss.

I don’t drink anymore

Nor any less!!!

56 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:54:09pm

re: #54 JeffFX

And SyFy being wrestling. Nothing is left!

audio fiction

57 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:54:27pm

re: #55 sattv4u2

I don’t drink anymore

Nor any less!!!

just keep that steady buzz going, heh?

58 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:54:54pm

re: #56 FemNaziBitch

audio fiction

Good point. That’s something we have more of than we used to.

59 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:55:32pm

re: #57 FemNaziBitch

just keep that steady buzz going, heh?

My parents never knew I drank,,,,,
till one night I came home sober!!!!

60 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:55:40pm

Speaking of which, I’m listening to the LibriVox version of Vanity Fair. Not too bad.

61 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:56:48pm

hahaha. So, I’m sitting around the house for day 2 of unem. Seen enough of my neighbors in 2 days than I have in a month. One of them gave me a case of Fat Tire beer, because her husband isn’t into it. wtf?

I took it of course.

62 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:57:47pm

re: #45 jaunte

Hari Seldon knew you would say that.

Another way that Asimov’s psycho-history could fall apart is if the collective rationality of humanity changes significantly. E.g., a wingnut take over in the US would scupper any predictions based on assumptions of behavior comparable to past US behavior.

63 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:58:38pm

re: #61 Stanley Sea

hahaha. So, I’m sitting around the house for day 2 of unem. Seen enough of my neighbors in 2 days than I have in a month. One of them gave me a case of Fat Tire beer, because her husband isn’t into it. wtf?

I took it of course.

You could just get in your car and go to the library to avoid them —:0

64 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 3:59:06pm

re: #62 EPR-radar

Another way that Asimov’s psycho-history could fall apart is if the collective rationality of humanity changes significantly. E.g., a wingnut take over in the US would scupper any predictions based on assumptions of behavior comparable to past US behavior.

I think we’ve seen that already.

65 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:01:34pm

I have an extra ticket to this event next Thursday. My friend that was going to go with me is unable to go. I hate going into the City at night alone.

None of my family or other friends is interested.

What to do, what to do.

66 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:01:43pm

re: #63 FemNaziBitch

You could just get in your car and go to the library to avoid them —:0

I know. I need to go grocery shopping etc. I’m kinda feeling lazy/uninspired/sorry for myself. blah blah blah.

67 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:02:28pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

I know. I need to go grocery shopping etc. I’m kinda feeling lazy/uninspired/sorry for myself. blah blah blah.

I’ve been hibernating. Sending the kid out for milk etc.

68 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:03:16pm
69 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:03:24pm

re: #65 FemNaziBitch

I have an extra ticket to this event next Thursday. My friend that was going to go with me is unable to go. I hate going into the City at night alone.

None of my family or other friends is interested.

What to do, what to do.

I would go in a second. Damn, it will be worth it for you to battle the city alone. Hey! have Dark meet you!

70 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:03:48pm

re: #69 Stanley Sea

I would go in a second. Damn, it will be worth it for you to battle the city alone. Hey! have Dark meet you!

Yeah, he’d probably be into it.

71 Amory Blaine  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:04:05pm

Fat Tire is delicious. A lovely gift.

72 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:04:21pm

re: #66 Stanley Sea

I know. I need to go grocery shopping etc. I’m kinda feeling lazy/uninspired/sorry for myself. blah blah blah.

Go buy a bunch of comfort/junk food and have yourself a good old fashioned pity party. {{Sea}}

73 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:04:42pm

re: #71 Amory Blaine

Fat Tire is delicious. A lovely gift.

It is! I was shocked. And in time for the game this weekend.

74 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:06:20pm

re: #68 FemNaziBitch

Nearly one year ago.

Where in the hell does the time go? It’s scary how fast it flies by.

75 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:06:29pm

re: #72 CuriousLurker

Go buy a bunch of comfort/junk food and have yourself a good old fashioned pity party. {{Sea}}

Sounds like a plan. Hopefully will have peeps over on Sunday. Cook up some crock pot stuff and of course guacamole. I’ll be fine, I’m just taking my sweet time.

76 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:07:21pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

Where in the hell does the time go? It’s scary how fast it flies by.

and it just gets worse every year.

77 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:14:35pm

Just noticed Black History Month is trending.

I will never click. It must suck to want to honor it and then click and see the hate.

Maybe a battle be raging? Not going to check.

78 Lidane  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:15:41pm

These days, I rarely drink. At best, I buy a bottle of wine after a long work week and split it with the boyfriend.

Alcohol just lost its appeal for me, really. I’m not interested in being hungover and feeling like shit the next day.

79 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:15:55pm

re: #4 CuriousLurker

I can’t seem to twist my brain around the logic of this. Let me try again: If people are tuning in their firearms knowing they’ll be destroyed, it’s probably safe to assume it’s because they don’t want them and feel good knowing they can’t end up back on the street. But according to this group that is a bad thing and the government should forbid itself the power to destroy those firearms because…? Why?

Because the Guns are too precious.

Seriously, as if any further proof was needed that Guns are the most sacred objects in the US.

“This bill clearly illustrates that some people don’t view guns like toasters. When it comes to guns, it’s as though they hold some magical or sacred designation in their lives,” Kozachik said. “They go around proclaiming to be for private property, but civil liberties are out the window when it comes to guns. I guess the message is, we can’t do what we want with our property in this state if that property is a firearm.”

Like I wrote it myself.

80 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:17:05pm

re: #78 Lidane

I too do not drink. Ever since my cousin Mark died I have had no interest in any alcohol.

81 Mr.Boots  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:19:21pm

We have now run the gamut from personhood bills to gunsonhood bills.

82 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:19:31pm

re: #79 Renaissance_Man

Because the Guns are too precious.

Seriously, as if any further proof was needed that Guns are the most sacred objects in the US.

Like I wrote it myself.

I still the think the wallet is linked to this outrage. Guns = money

83 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:23:18pm

Well, I’m off to make t-shirts.

bbl, maybe, maybe not.

enjoy!

84 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:25:41pm

It looks like we are seeing the wing nut version of the Great Chain of Being (from highest to lowest):

1) Almighty Gawd
1.001) Jesus of the AK-47
1.01) The Dollar
2) Gunz
3) Straight, white wingnut men
4) All other white men
7) Fetuses
10) White women
11) Non-white men
20) Non-white women

85 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:26:32pm

re: #36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

let’s hear it for med cards!

Hip Hip, pass it this way!

86 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:26:32pm

OK, it’s gotta be worth something, we usually give avocados.

Actually I would love it if the the 9ers edit: (lost - I guess you pay when you lose) won he sent a kick ass Mexican food truck. That’s the real Cali. And a damn good thing.

87 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:28:38pm

re: #86 Stanley Sea

I like what some former mayors have bet when Philly has a championship. Steak sandwiches. Yum.

88 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:30:21pm

Story of Chester: Journey to A Full Recovery

When Chester the ginger cat was adopted from the shelter, his new family realized there was still much work to be done to help the little ginger get back on his paws. They found out that Chester needed a lot of medical treatment and surgery, but they never gave up on Chester no matter what. It changed his life forever. This is Chester’s journey to a full recovery…

89 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:31:54pm

re: #87 PhillyPretzel

I like what some former mayors have bet when Philly has a championship. Steak sandwiches. Yum.

You know what’s great? Those sandwiches were not just fed-exed. I’m sure they sent the chef’s and the cook tops to fill the bet.

90 Skeetghazi  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:39:10pm
91 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:40:25pm

Dammit, you guys are ALWAYS talking about food. Now I’ve ordered a pizza and it ALL YOUR FAULT. Gonna go make a fresh pot of coffee and wait for it. Later, lizards.

92 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:41:08pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

OMG. tears, thanks.

One tough little kitty. I like this pic.

Image: JKhKHLrh.jpg

And the last one.

Image: LAdgZesh.jpg

93 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:43:18pm
94 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:45:09pm

State Senator Jason Rapert racial language

95 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:46:36pm
96 dragonath  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:51:54pm

Zardoz speaks to you, His chosen ones.

We are the chosen ones!

You have been raised up from Brutality, to kill the Brutals who multiply, and are legion. To this end, Zardoz your God gave you the gift of the Gun. The Gun is good!

The Gun is good!

The P…pppft I can’t finish this

97 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 4:59:45pm
98 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:02:35pm

Pro Sports Derive All Their Profits from Taxpayers

99 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:04:18pm
100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:09:29pm

re: #97 Gus

Heh pretty much.

101 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:13:10pm

You know if Republicans cared half about people as they seem to care about guns. Maybe we’d have better health care, schools, roads, etc. This is really sad.

102 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:19:45pm
103 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:21:32pm

re: #102 Gus

Swanson: I’m beginning to get some evidence from certain doctors and certain scientists that have done research on women’s wombs after they’ve gone through the surgery, and they’ve compared the wombs of women who were on the birth control pill to those who were not on the birth control pill. And they have found that with women who are on the birth control pill, there are these little tiny fetuses, these little babies, that are embedded into the womb. They’re just like dead babies. They’re on the inside of the womb. And these wombs of women who have been on the birth control pill effectively have become graveyards for lots and lots of little babies.

104 HappyWarrior  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:23:08pm

Swanson. I said this earlier but this really is the best case for mandatory sex ed in school. I mean if you seriously think that the wombs of birth control using women are filled with dead babies. I don’t even know what to say. I’ve probably heard more intelligent talk about sex from the sixth graders I coach in basketball.

105 EPR-radar  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:24:25pm

re: #103 Gus

I know the Onion has already been pronounced dead and buried, so this must be the part where it is exhumed to confirm that parody is now truly impossible.

106 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:34:48pm

Cool. I just saw Chinese lion dancers. A little early for the new year, but it got me out of my funk.

107 The Spectre of the Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:34:57pm

re: #103 Gus

What?
What?
What?

108 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:44:30pm

re: #103 Gus

W. T. F.

Now that’s some seriously creepy shit there.

109 Gus  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:46:34pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

W. T. F.

Now that’s some seriously creepy shit there.

Bad craziness.

110 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 1, 2013 5:59:11pm

re: #103 Gus

Dafuq? Seriously. What dafuq.

111 ihateronpaul  Sat, Feb 2, 2013 7:40:58am

I hate dumb republicans so the past few years have been very mentally taxing


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