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Arkansas House Passes 20-Week Abortion Ban With No Exceptions

The Republican Party’s total war on reproductive rights continues
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You know the “war on women” that right wing blogs and the Republican Party furiously deny they’re waging? Well, since the election, the reactionary cavemen of the right have not even slowed down their efforts to drag women by their hair back into the Stone Age, and today the Arkansas House passed a bill that would ban all abortions after 20 weeks, with no exceptions for rape or incest victims.

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1 iossarian  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:49:06am

Laser-like focus etc.

2 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:49:20am

For people who keep saying they love freedom, they sure love pissing all over the rights of other people.

3 erik_t  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:52:14am

No finer Republican tradition than trying and failing over and over and over and over to contravene the sometimes-holy-writ document on which the Republic is founded.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:54:07am

Ever Classy, FRC Says VAWA’s Cost to Taxpayers Is the ‘Real Abuse’

In an email alert last night, the FRC denied the positive impact of VAWA, which has contributed to a dramatic decrease in intimate partner violence, and said that the “real abuse” is VAWA’s cost to taxpayers.

Last year, when it first came up for reauthorization, Democrats intentionally loaded the bill with provisions the GOP cannot support—like millions more in spending and special rights based on certain sexual behavior. Their goal was to make the legislation so objectionable that Republicans would be forced to oppose it and fuel the lie that the GOP is anti-woman. Sen. Pat Leahy’s (D-Vt.) version, which leaders will vote on this week, is a five-year extension of the Act. Among the bill’s most egregious parts is a provision that would ban funds to grantees who may have religious objections to homosexuality—even if no documented case of refused services has been found. It also includes special assistance for homosexual victims.

Although Sen. Leahy promises to have a 60-vote block of support, FRC has warned the Senate that we will be scoring the vote. You can help by contacting your Senators and urging them to vote against VAWA and end the real abuse of taxpayer dollars.

They really, really hate women.

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:55:44am

BTW, why do cavemen always drag women back to their caves by the hair?

-Because if they drag them by the feet, they fill up with sand!

6 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:56:18am

re: #2 Kragar

For people who keep saying they love freedom, they sure love pissing all over the rights of other people.

Except they’re pissing on the rights of women, who they don’t consider people.

Remember, women are to be subservient to their husbands, etc., etc.

7 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:57:10am

re: #5 Sol Berdinowitz

BTW, why do cavemen always drag women back to their caves by the hair?

-Because if they drag them by the feet, they fill up with sand!

My wife is looking for you, and she doesn’t look happy. You better hide.

8 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:59:14am

OT. President Obama to visit Israel in Spring. No date set yet.

9 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:59:24am

re: #6 Lidane

Except they’re pissing on the rights of women, who they don’t consider people.

Remember, women are to be subservient to their husbands, etc., etc.

Freedom is the freedom of their tiny cross-section to inflict their belief on all the non-people. And these folks have a lot of categories of non-people.

10 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 10:59:40am

I’m sure this is just a coincidence, but in the Washington Post article I referenced today in my page on the healthcare exchanges, there is this little bit of information:

Arkansas has adopted the same strategy to hire about 535 in-person assisters, whom officials plan to train by midsummer — albeit for a different reason.

The state is one of 32 that has chosen to let the federal government run its exchange. In these cases, the Obama administration is in charge of setting up the state’s navigator program. But Cynthia Crone, Arkansas’s director of planning for the exchange, said state officials worried that the administration wasn’t moving quickly enough.

Our population has a lot of uninsured, not a lot of Internet use, and is very rural and very diverse,” Crone said. “We felt like we couldn’t wait.”

Like I said, I’m sure just a coincidence.

Not sure if /

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:01:32am

Jobs huh.

12 Ghost of Sionainn  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:01:32am

For people who loudly proclaim that they are fiscally conservative, they sure don’t have a problem wasting taxpayer money to defend clearly unconstitutional bullshit that they continue to pass.

13 mr.fusion  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:03:03am

CNN

AP headline: “Jindal: GOP should change ‘just about everything.’”

Still, Jindal’s not advocating changing policy or the party moderating its views. “We do not need to change what we believe as conservatives — our principles are timeless,” he said.

See, because it’s the message not the policies. That’s why Hispanics, women, African Americans, anyone under 60 years old, etc etc refuse to vote for you.

Good luck with that

14 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:04:13am

re: #13 mr.fusion

CNN

Good luck with that

What he does he want changed exactly? If he wants them not to sound like idiots, he’s not exactly the best spokesman for that considering his education program in his state. Of course, this will mean he’ll be seen as a RINO.

15 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:06:19am

re: #8 Gus

OT. President Obama to visit Israel in Spring. No date set yet.

16 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:07:03am

From the FRC on the VAWA:

Last year, when it first came up for reauthorization, Democrats intentionally loaded the bill with provisions the GOP WE cannot support—like millions more in spending and special rights based on certain sexual behavior. Their goal was to make the legislation so objectionable that WE Republicans would be forced to oppose it and fuel the lie that WE the GOP is are anti-woman.

I think that was how the original memo read, since the FRC and the GOPteabag party are essentially one and the same.

Also a special reference to the wingnut butthurt over the VAWA’s funding; “millions (of dollars) more in spending”. Millions. Billions spent in Iraq, OK. Millions here at home: Not OK. //

17 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:07:19am

re: #15 Lidane

Sure enough. Complain, complain, complain. Freaking right wingers are unreal.

18 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:08:06am

re: #14 HappyWarrior

What he does he want changed exactly? If he wants them not to sound like idiots, he’s not exactly the best spokesman for that considering his education program in his state. Of course, this will mean he’ll be seen as a RINO.

Shorter Jindal: “We need more articulate idiots!”

He doesn’t want any policy changes. He wants better messaging. As if the problem the GOP has is that people are too stupid/sensitive to understand what they’re saying.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:08:25am

re: #15 Lidane

Yeah because Obama visiting Israel makes it “suffer.” Another wingnut idiot who thinks he speaks for Israel when he really speaks for the wonderful new nation of Talkingouttamyass.

20 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:09:01am

re: #15 Lidane

WTF!

I’m just amazed by the cognitive dissonance or just plain dumbassness of TGDN that have little Israel flags on their avi but don’t mind the Anti-Semites and racists showcased on this thread.

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:09:07am

re: #18 Lidane

Shorter Jindal: “We need more articulate idiots!”

He doesn’t want any policy changes. He wants better messaging. As if the problem the GOP has is that people are too stupid/sensitive to understand what they’re saying.

So he wants polished shit. Well you know the old saying- polished turd is still a turd and that’s GOP policies.

22 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:15:06am

Not sure if serious or just trolling:

23 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:16:13am

Breaking.

24 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:16:55am

re: #15 Lidane

Israel hasn’t suffered during Obama’s term in office.

Obama might not have a great personal relationship with Israeli PM Netenyahu, but that hasn’t meant that Obama’s prevented arms shipments or stopped development work with the Israelis on the Iron Dome (which deployed faster than the IDF thought due to US assistance) - and which was helpful during the most recent round of fighting in Gaza.

Obama hasn’t forced Israel to cut a deal with the Palestinians.

He hasn’t changed US policy re: the peace process. He hasn’t changed US policy towards development of housing in disputed territories or recognized Hamas as anything other than a terror group.

The differences between Obama and Bush on Israel-US relations is miniscule but that isn’t stopping the nutters from claiming that the relationship has gone to poop.

Obama doesn’t have the cozy relationship with Netenyahu that Bush did, but that doesn’t mean they don’t have a working relationship. They do. They see Iran as the kind of regional threat that can cause all kinds of trouble for both Israel and the US interests in the region. They’re far more in agreement than the nutters would care to understand.

25 nines09  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:17:30am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

What he is really saying is they have to bullshit better and keep the mouths shut about the true intent and the true results of the “message”. Like convincing you to cut your own throat. Simpler that way. You know. You know? You know. 2014 is a very important year.

26 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:18:40am

re: #22 Lidane

Who or what is Wong Kim Ark?

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:19:10am

re: #23 Gus

Breaking.

Good on them. What about Scotland and Northern Ireland? I imagine Northern Ireland would be the most difficult.

28 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:19:26am

re: #22 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just trolling:

It seems to be a serious Birthermaniac.

29 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:20:13am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

Good on them. What about Scotland and Northern Ireland? I imagine Northern Ireland would be the most difficult.

House of Lords vote is next.

30 Mattand  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:20:58am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Yeah because Obama visiting Israel makes it “suffer.” Another wingnut idiot who thinks he speaks for Israel when he really speaks for the wonderful new nation of Talkingouttamyass.

Weren’t these the same mouth breathers who were whining last year that Obama was an anti semite because, like Ronald Reagan, he never visited Israel?

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:21:34am

re: #30 Mattand

Weren’t these the same mouth breathers who winning last year that Obama was an anti semite because, like Ronald Reagan, he never visited Israel?

The same.

32 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:21:41am

re: #24 lawhawk

It’s actually interesting how little it matters that Bibi is such an asshole to Obama and Likud has even gone as far in openly taking sides in US politics as they have, or Obama’s coolness towards Bibi and the right-wing government of Israel as a whole. The relations between Israel and the US aren’t based on shit-fits and snubs, they’re based on actual politics and policy and they have a lot more to do with how Clinton and her staff interact with Moshe Ya’alon and his staff. (It would be how she interacted with Lieberman but he’s such an enormous corrupt insane fucking asshole that the Israeli government actually does what they can to restrict his power, which is part of why he acts like more and more of an asshole.)

33 gwangung  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:21:45am

re: #26 Bulworth

Who or what is Wong Kim Ark?

Name of a Chinese American gentleman who was born in the US, and sued under the 14th Amendment to obtain his citizenship. ANd got it.

34 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:21:57am

re: #29 Gus

House of Lords vote is next.

Ah okay.

35 gwangung  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:22:16am

re: #22 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just trolling:

Anyone who believes this is literally unAmerican.

36 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:22:18am
37 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:22:32am

re: #30 Mattand

Weren’t these the same mouth breathers who winning last year that Obama was an anti semite because, like Ronald Reagan, he never visited Israel?

Yeah, except that Obama totally DID VISIT ISRAEL, just not an official visit as POTUS. The media even snatched his little note out of the Western Wall.

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:24:42am

re: #36 Gus

That’s over half the Members of Parliament. Wow wonder what the numbers would be in the House. I know not anywhere near that percentage.

39 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:25:21am

And I’d note that Moshe Ya`alon is a 100% a-grade bugnut himself, so it’s probably more his staff that are important.

Yeesh, I just read more background on him. He and Lieberman could hold each other’s coats.

40 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:25:32am

re: #32 Obdicut

There’s a ton of coordination and interaction between the US and Israel on matters of diplomacy and defense. And the relationship isn’t defined solely by how the PM and President interact, but how the different staffs work and interact.

For the most part, those are jobs by career staffers, except at the highest levels, and they too understand the importance of preserving the relationship (particularly Israel’s relationship with the US).

Far more stuff goes on in back channels and behind closed doors than anyone would ever know. And that includes talking with regimes and groups that are officially considered threats - by and through intermediaries.

41 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:25:52am

From the link at the top:

Although a 20-week ban would be unconstitutional under the viability standard set in Roe, the governor is currently more invested in deciding whether a different ban, which would make abortion illegal after the point in which an embryonic heartbeat could be found, is worth potentially signing into law if it reaches his desk. Today he announced that his office’s preliminary research into the bill says it would be unlikely to survive a court challenge.

There should be a way to sue legislators for malpractice when they spend a bunch of time passing bills they know are unconstitutional.

42 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:26:53am

re: #22 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just trolling:

sigh.

§ 2.
(1) A citizen of the Reich is only that subject who is of German or kindred blood and who, through his conduct, shows that he is both willing and able to faithfully serve the German people and Reich.
(2) The right to citizenship is acquired by the granting of Reich citizenship papers.
(3) Only the citizen of the Reich enjoys full political rights in accordance with the provision of the law.

43 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:28:33am

re: #32 Obdicut

And Bibi has to work with a limited caucus or else face an election or a vote of no confidence. So he has to pander to those who wield sufficient power - extremists within Likud or Yisrael Beitenu or the religious parties that comprise his current coalition. And as the most recent election showed, the Israelis are pretty tired of his nonsense and want definite action on the Tal Law and improving the economy - both of which are interrelated.

44 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:29:48am

re: #41 wrenchwench

They’re hoping to challenge Roe, leading to it being overturned. Or at a minimum, a roll back of the reasoning in Penn v. Casey that set out the current schema. They figure to get at least a couple of cases into the appellate level agreeing with curtailing Roe, and that forces the Supreme Court to rule - and they hope in their favor.

It would be bad news for women across the country, particularly the fact that it doesn’t provide any health/safety/rape exemptions (but not surprising since this kind of proposal is proffered by the Akin wing).

45 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:30:26am

I like how Obama is accused of alienating allies but these are the same people who basically said fuck France and Germany when they opposed the invasion of Iraq.

46 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:31:37am

re: #45 HappyWarrior

Situational politics substituting for a rational worldview.

48 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:35:26am

Robertson prays for Boy Scouts, warns that gay pedophiles ‘will come in as scoutmasters’

Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday said that he was praying for the Boy Scouts of America because “predators” and “pedophiles” could infiltrate the organization if the ban on LGBT members and leaders was dropped.

During his 700 Club television show, Robertson incorrectly stated that Congress was behind the Boy Scouts of America national board’s decision to consider a proposal that would allow local organizations to have control over whether they accept gay scouts.

“Congress gets involved and they have no business fooling with the Boy Scouts, and the Boy Scouts ought to be free to do what they want to do,” he explained. “And the board should feel free to do what it wants to do, and that’s just the way it is.”

49 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:36:32am

One thing I want to add is the so-called rape/incest exception, even when it’s allowed, is far, far, far from any kind of genuine protection for women:

How do rape exceptions work?

Stephanie Poggi is the executive director of the National Network of Abortion Funds, which coordinates groups that subsidize abortions for low-income women. She tells me that many states require that women submit police reports. In Iowa, for example, women must submit a police report of a rape within 45 days of it occurring and give the report to their abortion provider so she can include it in the Medicaid claim; you can see the specific paperwork here (pdf). Given that most rapes — 54 percent, according to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN) — are never reported to police, that rules out funding for a majority of women right off the bat.

This describes trying to get Medicaid funding for an abortion under the Hyde Amendment. Imagine how much worse it would be a victim were subject to these burdens in order to get the abortion at all?

50 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:36:35am

Sanity break! Someone made a parody of the “God Made a Farmer” ad and applied it to radio:

[Link: jonesy101861.tumblr.com…]

I’m crying with laughter at this, just because everything he says is so true.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:37:14am

If this was really the “dictatorship” that wingnuts are seething over, this guy’s ass would be in a FEMA death camp instead of crapping all over Twitter.

52 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:37:47am

re: #47 Gus

Glenn Beck calls Obama ‘full-fledged woman’ over concern about football concussions

Image: Glenn-Beck-questions-Obamas-masculinity-615x345.png

Not that I like playing this middle school like game but Glenn Beck who’s cried on TV over non-existent totalitarianism really shouldn’t be questioning any dude’s masculinity. And honestly, the president had a legitimate concern. Has Beck ever seen any of these old football players? Poor Earl Campbell has the body of a man much older than him.

53 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:38:37am

re: #50 Lidane

Sanity break! Someone made a parody of the “God Made a Farmer” ad and applied it to radio:

[Link: jonesy101861.tumblr.com…]

I’m crying with laughter at this, just because everything he says is so true.

That’s great. I know a few DJs who will really like this.

54 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:38:49am

re: #48 Kragar

Robertson prays for Boy Scouts, warns that gay pedophiles ‘will come in as scoutmasters’

Yeah because the scouts have been completely free of pedophiles and sexual predators until now. But thanks Pat, I had forgotten that you were just as mentally deranged as Bryan Fischer.

55 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:39:42am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

If this was really the “dictatorship” that wingnuts are seething over, this guy’s ass would be in a FEMA death camp instead of crapping all over Twitter.

The only logical explanation would be that Terry Jones is a croney of the Obama regime who is being paid to make conservatives look bad.

56 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:40:02am

re: #55 Kragar

The only logical explanation would be that Terry Jones is a croney of the Obama regime who is being paid to make conservatives look bad.

False flag, no true conservative!

57 Mattand  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:40:31am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Not that I like playing this middle school like game but Glenn Beck who’s cried on TV over non-existent totalitarianism really shouldn’t be questioning any dude’s masculinity. And honestly, the president had a legitimate concern. Has Beck ever seen any of these old football players? Poor Earl Campbell has the body of a man much older than him.

Plus, there’s the whole “women are emotional, helpless weaklings” dig when you make comments like this.

58 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:41:36am

re: #49 Interesting Times

Fuck. I didn’t realize it was already the case that we were making women actually claim the police reports to get an abortion. That’s fucking despicable.

59 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:43:16am
60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:44:55am

re: #57 Mattand

Plus, there’s the whole “women are emotional, helpless weaklings” dig when you make comments like this.

Yeah. That’s why I am content to let him play this stupid gender stereotyping game. Only makes him look more stupid.

61 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:45:29am

re: #58 Obdicut

Fuck. I didn’t realize it was already the case that we were making women actually claim the police reports to get an abortion. That’s fucking despicable.

Only poor women.

That’s the Hyde Amendment, which needs to be, and has been, reenacted every year.

62 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:45:34am

re: #23 Gus

63 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:46:14am

re: #22 Lidane

Not sure if serious or just trolling:

From his other tweets and his follows, he appears to be serious, and from all appearances is another hardcore racist for Babushka’s TGDN list.

Between the birther posts, his retweeting of Council of Conservative Citizens and Christian Identity links, and follows of those as well as his lamenting that Obama might somehow infringe his right to violently overthrow the government, it’s a pretty safe call.

64 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:46:36am

re: #59 Gus

I vote we send Kai to sort out North Korea. He’s a diplomatic/military complete package.

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:46:57am

re: #62 Lidane

Yep but to many demented minds in this country, somehow marriage equality is not only tyranny but it’s the same tyranny we fought to free ourselves from the Brits. Because two guys marrying is exactly the same of not having representation.

66 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:48:42am

re: #62 Lidane

So much for “teh Sharia law has taken over the UK.” Still has to pass the House of Lords. Haven’t seen a prediction on that yet.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:50:34am

re: #66 Gus

So much for “teh Sharia law has taken over the UK.” Still has to pass the House of Lords. Haven’t seen a prediction on that yet.

Half of them are gay, but seriously closeted. Ergo, no chance.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:50:51am

re: #66 Gus

So much for “teh Sharia law has taken over the UK.” Still has to pass the House of Lords. Haven’t seen a prediction on that yet.

No, it’s worse than that. It’s gay Shariah law. But yeah. I imagine it will pass the HoL. Man, it was neat hearing Cameron say once that he’s not pro gay marriage in spite of his conservatism, it’s because of his conservatism. Imagine that from a prominent and influential American conservative? I can’t.

69 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:50:55am

How stupid can liberal women be that after being pregnant for 20 weeks they can’t yet decide if they’re going to keep the end product of their rape or incestuous relationship?

70 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:51:00am

re: #30 mattand

Weren’t these the same mouth breathers who were whining last year that Obama was an anti semite because, like Ronald Reagan, he never visited Israel?

It’s not about truth or consistent positions, it’s about hating the black man in the white house at all costs.

71 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:51:42am

re: #59 Gus

I like that kid.

72 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:52:02am

re: #66 Gus

So much for “teh Sharia law has taken over the UK.” Still has to pass the House of Lords. Haven’t seen a prediction on that yet.

The same people who complain about Sharia will complain about this.

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:53:00am

re: #72 Obdicut

The same people who complain about Sharia will complain about this.

Yeah, because they think it’s one and the same. Remember Gingrich talking about the alliance of secularists and Shariah? Yeah because secularists will embrace a religion’s laws being coded into secular law.

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:53:32am

re: #66 Gus

So much for “teh Sharia law has taken over the UK.” Still has to pass the House of Lords. Haven’t seen a prediction on that yet.

First you get the gay marriage, then you get the Sharia.
/

75 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #69 jackw33

How stupid can liberal women be that after being pregnant for 20 weeks they can’t yet decide if they’re going to keep the end product of their rape or incestuous relationship?

Just as stupid as conservative women can be. Or completely apolitical women. Or girls, for that matter.

Just as stupid as you, I might add.

76 GunstarGreen  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:53:54am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Yeah, because they think it’s one and the same. Remember Gingrich talking about the alliance of secularists and Shariah? Yeah because secularists will embrace a religion’s laws being coded into secular law.

“Secular” means “Non-WASP” in Republicanese.

77 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:53:55am

re: #69 jackw33

How stupid can liberal women be that after being pregnant for 20 weeks they can’t yet decide if they’re going to keep the end product of their rape or incestuous relationship?

So only a “liberal woman” would want to do this? Ergo, all conservative women will carry a child that is a result of rape or insist, regardless, according to you.

78 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:54:38am

Oh, yeah. Where are my manners.

Greetings, hatchling.

79 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:54:49am

re: #68 HappyWarrior

No, it’s worse than that. It’s gay Shariah law. But yeah. I imagine it will pass the HoL. Man, it was neat hearing Cameron say once that he’s not pro gay marriage in spite of his conservatism, it’s because of his conservatism. Imagine that from a prominent and influential American conservative? I can’t.

Oops. I forgot about that. Gay marriage is part of the Grand Sharia-Atheist-Homosexual take over of the world.

80 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:55:41am

re: #79 Gus

Oops. I forgot about that. Gay marriage is part of the Grand Sharia-Atheist-Homosexual take over of the world.

Ha, what’s crazy is some actually believe that.

81 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:55:44am

re: #69 jackw33

STFU and go crawl back under whatever rock you came from.

82 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:56:36am

re: #75 wrenchwench

I think you’re wrong therere: #77 Gus

I don’t know what they’d do, but I do know that in 5 months a “fetus” is a baby and if you haven’t made a decision in that amount of time maybe you’re mentally deficient

83 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:58:01am

re: #81 Lidane

A synopsis of Obama’s second term

84 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:58:18am

re: #82 jackw33

I think you’re wrong therere: #77 Gus

I don’t know what they’d do, but I do know that in 5 months a “fetus” is a baby and if you haven’t made a decision in that amount of time maybe you’re mentally deficient

And I think you’re a young moron who is unfamiliar with the realities of the subject.

Shouldn’t mentally deficient women and girls be allowed to get an abortion if they need one?

85 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:58:29am

re: #82 jackw33

Let me guess — you’re one of those enlightened souls who thinks he can predict everything about a pregnancy from Day 1, and who’s enough of a dumb fuck to think that the only reason a woman gets an abortion is because she can’t decide if she wants to be a mom or not.

Again, please go crawl back under your rock and STFU. The adults are talking.

86 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:58:52am

re: #83 jackw33

A synopsis of Obama’s second term

You are not going to last long here, I think.

87 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 11:59:52am

re: #86 wrenchwench

You are not going to last long here, I think.

Much less than 20 weeks, I suspect.

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:00:01pm

re: #82 jackw33

I think you’re wrong therere: #77 Gus

I don’t know what they’d do, but I do know that in 5 months a “fetus” is a baby and if you haven’t made a decision in that amount of time maybe you’re mentally deficient

You’re an obvious troll so all I can say is your stay here will be rather limited. Why don’t you crawl back to The Blaze and go back to circle jerking with the rest of the Glenn Beck fans.

89 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:00:06pm

re: #69 jackw33

Oh, here we go.

90 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:00:15pm

re: #69 jackw33

How stupid can liberal women be that after being pregnant for 20 weeks they can’t yet decide if they’re going to keep the end product of their rape or incestuous relationship?

It’s not a case of stupidity. It’s a case of fear, misery, and denial.

What, you think every girl that gets raped by her father just trots right down to the police and goes through the process that starts with the father being called and told to pick up his daughter? You think that rohypnol and drunk-rapes don’t happen?

You’ve not been hearing when some woman who tries to claim rape gets told it’s because she went to a party or dressed that way or took a walk in the wrong neighborhood or any of that crap, and the other women who’ve seen it desperately try to avoid dealing with the hatespew?

Have you walked through a protest line with a woman? Have you thought about how hard it might be to do so when you’re already hurt and confused and afraid?

Yeah, thought not. The word for what you’re lacking is empathy. You might want to read up on it.

91 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:01:12pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Sure. In Arkansas it’s 20 weeks or less.

92 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:01:33pm

re: #69 jackw33

How stupid can liberal women be that after being pregnant for 20 weeks they can’t yet decide if they’re going to keep the end product of their rape or incestuous relationship?

Here’s a serious answer, even though you’re clearly not looking for them.

Many women, after rape, especially after incest, have a truamatic avoidance reaction. They don’t want to deal with what’s just happened to them, especially since most rapes come from people they know. Especially since there’s generally no legal recourse— most rapes don’t have enough evidence for a conviction, and only between two and eight rapists out of a hundred ever go to jail— a lot of women are overcome with a feeling of hopelessness.

Scheduling an abortion, especially in a GOP-controlled state, is hard. There are often not many doctors around who do them, the scheduled are often booked, and the GOP has enacted laws purposefully to make it take longer and be harder for a woman to get to the doctor, for the doctor to have a clinic that can provide the care, etc. Things like requiring two separate appointments separated by 24 hours mean that if the woman is poverty-level, that’s a very large economic burden on her if the doctor is any distance away.

And of course it’s not just liberal women who get abortions, but you were just trolling with that.

So there, an honest answer to your dishonest question, because the underlying concept does seem to escape a lot of people. Some women immediately seek contraception after rape— some want, need to shut themselves mentally off from what happened to them.

93 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:02:29pm

re: #69 jackw33

So the government would know better than the woman and her doctor in this case? Usually wingnuts are quite certain that the government never knows better than the taxpayer, or business owner, or person. Except in cases of abortion apparently.

94 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:02:37pm

re: #90 kirkspencer

have some empathy for the 5 month old baby that is going to get chopped to pieces

95 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:02:54pm

re: #91 jackw33

Sure. In Arkansas it’s 20 weeks or less.

It passed in the house. It is not law.

96 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:03:31pm

The shark, it has been jumped.

97 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:03:48pm

re: #92 Obdicut

what a crock of crap. call planned Parenthood in any state and see how long it takes to get a table

98 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:03:51pm

re: #82 jackw33

I think you’re wrong therere: #77 Gus

I don’t know what they’d do, but I do know that in 5 months a “fetus” is a baby and if you haven’t made a decision in that amount of time maybe you’re mentally deficient

No, it isn’t yet a baby.

A baby is viable. A 20 week old fetus is not.

99 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:04:00pm

re: #94 jackw33

have some empathy for the 5 month old baby that is going to get chopped to pieces

A 5 month old baby is what you call a baby that was born 5 months ago.

100 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:04:17pm

re: #94 jackw33

Nobody is chopping up babies.

Do you know anything about human reproduction? Or any mammal, for that matter.

101 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:04:51pm

re: #96 Kragar

The shark, it has been jumped.

The shark called. He said next time, the troll trying to jump him should aim higher.

102 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:05:21pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

Nobody is chopping up babies.

Do you know anything about human reproduction? Or any mammal, for that matter.

I don’t think this person has evolved past the stork story.

103 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:05:25pm

re: #97 jackw33

what a crock of crap. call planned Parenthood in any state and see how long it takes to get a table

Some states are very large and have few if any PP offices.

104 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:05:58pm

re: #102 Ghost of Tom Joad

I don’t this this person have evolved past the stork story.

I think they took the Kia “space babies” ad literally.

105 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:06:20pm

re: #97 jackw33

Go back to TGDN.

106 klys  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:07:34pm

re: #103 wrenchwench

Not to mention that not all PP offices offer those particular services. A lot of them focus more on making general women’s healthcare available - trying to do the things that reduce the demand for abortion in the first place, like access to contraception.

107 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:08:09pm

re: #92 Obdicut

Here’s a serious answer, even though you’re clearly not looking for them.

And here’s an actual case to illustrate the scenario you laid out:

He also tells the story of two of his patients. One was a 32-year-old successful lawyer who found out in her 21st week that she was pregnant with a baby who had a lethal developmental abnormality. She didn’t abort until the 23rd week because she wanted the diagnosis to be absolutely confirmed before she proceeded. The other was a 13-year-old girl who was very shy and well behaved. It turned out she was being molested by her uncle, who was staying with her family, but she didn’t tell her parents until well after he’d left. She’d hid her pregnancy until 19 weeks, and she terminated it when she was at 20 weeks. He describes these as “typical circumstances” in the patients that seek second-trimester abortions—not exactly the terrible, irresponsible people that anti-abortion activists are so fond of using as examples.

108 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:09:45pm

Well, I was wondering when the TGDN troopers would pay us a visit.

109 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:09:47pm
110 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:09:48pm

re: #97 jackw33

what a crock of crap. call planned Parenthood in any state and see how long it takes to get a table

Planned Parenthood doesn’t do abortions, they do referrals to health centers. so you’d have to call those health centers.

Here’s a good, in depth article showing the stories of a couple women and how they came to need abortions later than 20 weeks. Again, I know you’re trolling, but in case you at least want to troll more originally, go ahead and read them. Who knows, it might strike some long-buried vein of empathy in you.

[Link: www.rhrealitycheck.org…]

111 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:16:33pm

re: #100 wrenchwench

Yeah. The babies just magically disappear from the womb and ride off on the unicorns

112 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:19:14pm

re: #111 jackw33

Yeah. The babies just magically disappear from the womb and ride off on the unicorns

OH HAI, IS THIS YOU?

113 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:21:23pm

re: #111 jackw33

We used to get smarter trolls. Maybe we shouldn’t have driven them away with our facts and logic, if this is what’s left of trolldom.

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:22:42pm

re: #110 Obdicut

Who knows, it might strike some long-buried vein of empathy in you.

Not gonna happen.

115 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:27:02pm

re: #48 Kragar

Robertson prays for Boy Scouts, warns that gay pedophiles ‘will come in as scoutmasters’

What has congress or any other federal agency do to make this happen? I thought is was backlash from, you know, real people.

116 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:27:06pm

re: #111 jackw33

Yeah. The babies just magically disappear from the womb and ride off on the unicorns

No, they go into my Pepsi. Stop trying to regulate the free markets for abortion./

117 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:31:59pm

re: #48 Kragar

Robertson prays for Boy Scouts, warns that gay pedophiles ‘will come in as scoutmasters’

Televangelist Pat Robertson on Tuesday said that he was praying for the Boy Scouts of America because “predators” and “pedophiles” could infiltrate the organization if the ban on LGBT members and leaders was dropped.

Pardon me if I’m wrong, but it’s pretty damn ironic for him to say that considering the Catholic Church’s bans and spiteful rhetoric against LGBTs haven’t done anything to keep the pedophiles and predators out of their own organizations.

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:36:24pm

re: #117 Ghost of Tom Joad

Pardon me if I’m wrong, but it’s pretty damn ironic for him to say that considering the Catholic Church’s bans and spiteful rhetoric against LGBTs haven’t done anything to keep the pedophiles and predators out of their own organizations.

What does the RCC have to do with Robertson? Robertson’s a Baptist minister. Not defending him but he has no association with the RCC. What makes this is a ridiculous statement is this kind of stuff was still happening within the BSA while they hate the bans and spiteful rhetoric against GLBT people. Ironic isn’t really the word but to me it is telling that two very anti gay organizations have had much more problems with child molestation than any group that I know of involving homosexuals.

119 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:41:46pm

Anne France has returned. Ding away.

120 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:45:03pm

re: #111 jackw33

Yeah. The babies just magically disappear from the womb and ride off on the unicorns

You keep using this word “babies”.

The earliest surviving premature birth was 21 weeks 6 days. It’s still described as a miracle.

The earliest sustained survival point is 23 weeks. It require an advanced NICU (Natal Intensive Care Unit) and a lot of luck, and still a large proportion don’t survive. The current survival rate (source: March of Dimes, Quint Boenker Preemie Survival Foundation, see [Link: www.preemiesurvival.org…] for 23 weeks is 17%. 5 out of six born at that age will die, which is better than the ~1% survival rate of a mere week earlier. BTW, NICUs cost money. A lot of money, of which insurance companies pay only a part.

It takes till 27 weeks for premature birth survival rates to reach 90%.

If it isn’t viable, it isn’t a baby.

121 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:45:42pm

re: #118 HappyWarrior

Eh, I’m always mixing them all up. But yeah, you stated it better than I did; they spew hateful garbage about the LGBT community like they’re all evil and letting them in will cause every boy scout to get molested, yet those same groups have massive problems with actual pedophiles etc. The hypocrisy is mind-numbing.

122 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:46:58pm

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

This thread’s troll isn’t trying very hard. Three more posts would likely give it 100% of the bottom comments, rather than just the bottom 7.

123 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:48:23pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

You keep using this word “babies”.

The earliest surviving premature birth was 21 weeks 6 days. It’s still described as a miracle.

The earliest sustained survival point is 23 weeks. It require an advanced NICU (Natal Intensive Care Unit) and a lot of luck, and still a large proportion don’t survive. The current survival rate (source: March of Dimes, Quint Boenker Preemie Survival Foundation, see [Link: www.preemiesurvival.org…] for 23 weeks is 17%. 5 out of six born at that age will die, which is better than the ~1% survival rate of a mere week earlier. BTW, NICUs cost money. A lot of money, of which insurance companies pay only a part.

It takes till 27 weeks for premature birth survival rates to reach 90%.

If it isn’t viable, it isn’t a baby.

It’s an entirely moot point regardless. No one can coerce another into using their bodies or body parts to treat or save the life of another. It’s known as body autonomy and it is absolute. We cannot even be required to donate blood under any circumstances. Unless a blastocyst/embryo/fetus is elevated in rights above any other human being in the US, no woman can be required to allow the use of her body. The end.

124 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 12:52:37pm

re: #123 allegro

Agreed. By now, I think there is no need for any laws regulating abortion at all. Anything that is allowable under a reasonable standard of medical ethics (i.e., assuming these standards are not politically twisted) should not be legally impeded.

Laws are not needed to address the mythical RW talking point of the awful woman who wants a late-term abortion for the hell of it.

125 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:04:36pm

A karma score of -106 in less than an hour. Impressive!

126 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:18:06pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

If it isn’t a baby, why are you worried about it being born?

127 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:19:00pm

re: #126 jackw33

If it isn’t a baby, why are you worried about it being born?

Now you’re not even making sense. That works better as a pro-choice argument than an anti-choice one.

128 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:19:50pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

A karma score of -106 in less than an hour. Impressive!

It is fun to watch the chew toy get mauled in the spy.

129 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:21:24pm

re: #120 kirkspencer

You keep using this word “babies”.

The earliest surviving premature birth was 21 weeks 6 days. It’s still described as a miracle.

The earliest sustained survival point is 23 weeks. It require an advanced NICU (Natal Intensive Care Unit) and a lot of luck, and still a large proportion don’t survive. The current survival rate (source: March of Dimes, Quint Boenker Preemie Survival Foundation, see [Link: www.preemiesurvival.org…] for 23 weeks is 17%. 5 out of six born at that age will die, which is better than the ~1% survival rate of a mere week earlier. BTW, NICUs cost money. A lot of money, of which insurance companies pay only a part.

It takes till 27 weeks for premature birth survival rates to reach 90%.

If it isn’t viable, it isn’t a baby.

It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if I learned that jackwtrollytroll was also one of the first people yelling incoherently about having to pay for the medical care needed to keep such premature babies alive.

130 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:24:35pm

re: #127 Obdicut

Now you’re not even making sense. That works better as a pro-choice argument than an anti-choice one.

Making sense is not the point, being an attention whore is the point.

131 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:28:29pm

re: #129 BongCrodny

You take my tax dollars, without my consent, to kill babies and wonder if I mind paying for them to live? Hypocrite.

132 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:31:20pm

re: #94 jackw33

have some empathy for the 5 month old baby that is going to get chopped to pieces

You could always take it home and take care of it. What is the life expectancy of a 20 month old fetus outside the womb? A baby can live outside the womb, a fetus cannot. Therefore a fetus is not a baby.

133 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:31:32pm

re: #131 jackw33

You take my tax dollars, without my consent, to kill babies and wonder if I mind paying for them to live? Hypocrite.

Even if the Hyde amendment didn’t exist, everyone’s tax money is taken for things they don’t morally or practically approve of. That’s how this whole representational democratic republic thing works.

If you don’t consent to paying taxes, just give up US citizenship.

134 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:31:47pm

re: #131 jackw33

You take my tax dollars, without my consent, to kill babies and wonder if I mind paying for them to live? Hypocrite.

Wait a second, that’s where all that money goes? Man, I’m in the wrong business. Maybe I should see if Amazon has any deals on “Abortion for Dummies” so I can get in on this./

135 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:33:28pm

re: #131 jackw33

You take my tax dollars, without my consent, to kill babies and wonder if I mind paying for them to live? Hypocrite.

Name these programs that tax dollars are paying for abortions. Be specific.

136 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:36:15pm

re: #135 Eventual Carrion

Name these programs that tax dollars are paying for abortions. Be specific.

The same ones that sluts demand free birth control from like… oh wait, that would be insurance companies that include contraception in their policies that women PAY for…

137 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:36:39pm

re: #135 Eventual Carrion

Name these programs that tax dollars are paying for abortions. Be specific.

Obummer Care. Page: Eleventy, Section: Shove It!!!!!111ty

138 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:38:11pm

re: #135 Eventual Carrion

Planned Parenthood - 524M in government grants 2012

139 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:38:49pm

re: #138 jackw33

Planned Parenthood - 524M in government grants 2012

That do not include abortion services. Next?

140 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:39:24pm

Ah, here comes the “fungible dollars” argument.

141 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:39:25pm

re: #138 jackw33

Planned Parenthood - 524M in government grants 2012

Which go towards health screenings and other services. They’re prohibited by law to use those funds for abortions.

142 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:40:09pm

re: #20 Vicious Babushka

WTF!

I’m just amazed by the cognitive dissonance or just plain dumbassness of TGDN that have little Israel flags on their avi but don’t mind the Anti-Semites and racists showcased on this thread.

Just proves what I always knew to be true. They love the land of Israel because it fulfills their end times nonsense. They never have and never will love the Jews as a people.

143 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:40:17pm

re: #126 jackw33

If it isn’t a baby, why are you worried about it being born?

I’m not worried about it being born. If a woman wants to continue to carry it, more power to her. If she doesn’t, same wish.

Here’s a silly question (because I suspect I know your answer). How do you feel about Danielle Deaver’s case?

In case that didn’t register at all, Danielle Deaver’s fetus was diagnosed in the 22d week as being non-viable - that as soon as it was born it would die. She was denied an abortion (Nebraska law) and was required to wait till she actually had the contractions and expelled it. It died approximately 15 minutes after birth.

What about anencephaly? It’s often undiagnosed till around the 20th or 22d week. There have been three babies in records that survived more than 15 minutes after birth. Of the unaborted, about half die stillborn, the remainder are in the less-than-15 minute zone. Do you think women should be forced to carry the fetus they know is going to die immediately?

144 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:40:39pm

re: #119 Vicious Babushka

Anne France has returned. Ding away.

167!

145 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:40:51pm

re: #139 allegro

PP doesn’t do abortions? Is that what you’re saying? Next.

146 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:41:19pm

re: #145 jackw33

PP doesn’t do abortions? Is that what you’re saying? Next.

That’s right. PP doesn’t do abortions.

(edited to add: Yep, Targetpractice, there’s the fungible money argument.)

147 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:42:03pm

re: #145 jackw33

PP doesn’t do abortions? Is that what you’re saying? Next.

It doesn’t. Even if it did, taxes don’t pay for them. Can’t. Hyde Amendment.

148 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:42:11pm

Using Jackass’s argument, I should be entitled to stop paying taxes because I think the US military spent millions of my taxpayer dollars on camouflage uniform patterns that didn’t work.

149 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:43:18pm

re: #143 kirkspencer

No. But we’re not talking about delivering dead babies. The AL law cuts abortions off at 20 weeks. If you can’t make up your mind whether or not you are going to have a baby after 5 months then something is seriously, seriously wrong with you

150 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:43:53pm

re: #138 jackw33

And now you have complete ownership of the bottom comments.

FYI, equating fetus and baby is only convincing to people who are already on your side on this issue.

151 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:44:33pm

re: #148 Kragar

Using Jackass’s argument, I should be entitled to stop paying taxes because I think the US military spent millions of my taxpayer dollars on camouflage uniform patterns that didn’t work.

We should at least get a full refund of little jackie’s public education and probably his parent’s tax subsidies to raise him. It clearly did not take and give us back a thinking member of society.

152 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:45:02pm

re: #149 jackw33

No. But we’re not talking about delivering dead babies. The AL law cuts abortions off at 20 weeks. If you can’t make up your mind whether or not you are going to have a baby after 5 months then something is seriously, seriously wrong with you

If want to throw out every conceivable reason why a woman might not be able to receive proper medical attention or care, then something is seriously, seriously wrong with you.

153 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:45:50pm

re: #147 allegro

Right. I forgot. They spend the money on “mammograms”

154 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:46:36pm

re: #149 jackw33

No. But we’re not talking about delivering dead babies. The AL law cuts abortions off at 20 weeks. If you can’t make up your mind whether or not you are going to have a baby after 5 months then something is seriously, seriously wrong with you

You’re right, we’re not talking about delivering dead babies. We’re talking about a pair of conditions where the fetus was determined to be non-viable (not dead yet, but cannot survive after birth) after the 5 month cut. At that point the choice is - or should be - continue to carry knowing it’s going to die (before or shortly after birth) or get an abortion.

Abortions are not birth control.

155 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:46:53pm

re: #153 jackw33

Right. I forgot. They spend the money on “mammograms”

I know. Awful, isn’t it? Providing health care for worthless women. I tell ya.

//

156 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:46:55pm

re: #153 jackw33

Right. I forgot. They spend the money on “mammograms”

Breast cancer is a liberal trick!

You’re boring. Would you mind using the wingnut tag for your posts? It’d make them more pleasant.

157 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:47:06pm

re: #151 allegro

We should at least get a full refund of little jackie’s public education and probably his parent’s tax subsidies to raise him. It clearly did not take and give us back a thinking member of society.

I think the chew toy’s many issues relate more to indoctrination than to deficiencies in education, so it might not be fair to go after public education here.

158 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:47:08pm

Republicans have tried for years to get proof that PP is using government funds to provide abortions, and has yet to come up with anything besides the argument that funds going to screenings and health care “frees up” money from other sources for abortions.

159 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:47:14pm

re: #153 jackw33

This, ladies and gentlemen, is why the GOP is losing.

160 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:47:58pm

It is because of people like Jack’s desire to make this an all or nothing question that many rational people who might otherwise be willing to discuss serious options have decided that anti-choicers don’t deserve a chance.

161 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:48:13pm

re: #157 EPR-radar

I think the chew toy’s many issues relate more to indoctrination than to deficiencies in education, so it might not be fair to go after public education here.

Good point. We can just settle for the tax subsidies - his parents and tax free churches.

162 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:48:33pm

re: #153 jackw33

Right. I forgot. They spend the money on “mammograms”

Scare quotes? Really?

Mammograms, pap smears, pregnancy testing, pre-natal care for those who decide to carry to term, counseling, and a host of other things considered women’s health.

163 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:49:19pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

329,445. That’s the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood claims it performed. Source: PP’s OWN FACT SHEET
Read it
[Link: cnsnews.com…]

164 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:49:21pm

re: #162 kirkspencer

Scare quotes? Really?

Mammograms, pap smears, pregnancy testing, pre-natal care for those who decide to carry to term, counseling, and a host of other things considered women’s health.

All women need is more Jesus.
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165 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:49:42pm

re: #162 kirkspencer

and …abortions

166 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:50:00pm

re: #160 Kragar

It is because of people like Jack’s desire to make this an all or nothing question that many rational people who might otherwise be willing to discuss serious options have decided that anti-choicers don’t deserve a chance.

Bingo. A choice between a total abortion ban, and no laws regulating abortion at all is a no-brainer for a great many people.

167 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:50:13pm

re: #163 jackw33

329,445. That’s the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood claims it performed. Source: PP’s OWN FACT SHEET
Read it
[Link: cnsnews.com…]

And? What proof do you have that federal funds paying for even one of those?

168 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:50:33pm

re: #165 jackw33

and …abortions

Tell us about AGW.

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:50:39pm

re: #163 jackw33

329,445. That’s the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood claims it performed. Source: PP’s OWN FACT SHEET
Read it
[Link: cnsnews.com…]

CNS News has PP’s ‘own fact sheet’?

170 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:50:56pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

Tell us about AGW.

And the age of the earth.

171 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:51:03pm

re: #163 jackw33

329,445. That’s the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood claims it performed. Source: PP’s OWN FACT SHEET
Read it
[Link: cnsnews.com…]

Which is 3% of all services rendered. Sound like regular old “abortion factory” to me.

172 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:51:26pm

re: #163 jackw33

329,445. That’s the number of abortions that Planned Parenthood claims it performed. Source: PP’s OWN FACT SHEET
Read it
[Link: cnsnews.com…]

1) link doesn’t work.
2) Citing CNS? Why not just cite the Weekly World News while you’re at it?

173 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:52:16pm

re: #171 Geoff with a G

But what about the 20 story planned parenthood abortionplex? I read about it on the internet, so it must be true.

174 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:52:30pm

re: #154 kirkspencer

Abortions are, in fact, birth control for many women

175 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:52:58pm

re: #172 Kragar

1) link doesn’t work.
2) Citing CNS? Why not just cite the Weekly World News while you’re at it?

Or, yo know, maybe go to the damned source!

[Link: www.plannedparenthood.org…]

176 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:53:15pm

re: #169 wrenchwench

CNS News has PP’s ‘own fact sheet’?

Fair dinkum, it is a copy of PP’s fact sheet.

177 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:54:03pm

re: #174 jackw33

Abortions are, in fact, birth control for many women

Really?

How many is “many” and what’s your source?

178 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:54:43pm

re: #177 kirkspencer

Really?

How many is “many” and what’s your source?

Many? As in all.
Source? From ass.

179 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:01pm

re: #174 jackw33

Abortions are, in fact, birth control for many women

Because Cthulhu knows they can’t get access to anything like actual health eduction or birth control in most of the shitholes working to ban abortions

180 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:12pm

re: #171 Geoff with a G

So now you agree. PP DOES do abortions! Congratulations! Someone learned something today!

181 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:48pm

re: #131 jackw33

Two words: Hyde Amendment.

Now kindly fuck off and go crawl under a rock again. Your lame talking points are lame.

182 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:55:59pm

re: #174 jackw33

Abortions are, in fact, birth control for many women

So what. If other methods of birth control fail, for whatever reason, abortion is the remedy.

That is what personal autonomy for women requires.

183 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:56:25pm

re: #160 Kragar

Abortions are, in fact, birth control for many women

Because abortions are just so much easier than a condom, or not getting raped. Women are just lining up to get knocked-up so they can wait for 5 months just to get a late-term abortion. I’m sure they also just love the various issues their bodies go through being pregnant.

184 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:56:25pm

re: #180 jackw33

So now you agree. PP DOES do abortions! Congratulations! Someone learned something today!

I learned anti-choicers are dangerously unhinged and must be shouted down at every opportunity.

185 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:56:44pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

Many? As in all.
Source? From ass.

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

186 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:08pm

re: #180 jackw33

So now you agree. PP DOES do abortions! Congratulations! Someone learned something today!

Unfortunately, you didn’t.

187 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:26pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

So what? Who the fuck died and gave you moral authority over the bodies of all women?

188 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:35pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

The reason then being?

189 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:45pm

re: #182 EPR-radar

Well, at least almost all anti-abortioners favor contraception.

Oh wait….

190 Ghost of Sionainn  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:50pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

It’s none of your business whether a woman chooses to abort or carry a pregnancy to term. None.of.your.business.

191 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:57:56pm

Hey, Jackie, I need to use your body for awhile to filter my blood and provide nutrients while I recover from an illness. Should be well in about 9 months. If you don’t, I will DIE. It will be MURDER.

Help me formulate a law to make it illegal to refuse, ‘k?

192 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:58:10pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

I got Bob Menendez’ credit card statement

193 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:58:14pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

So what? Who the fuck died and gave you moral authority over the bodies of all women?

All those orphans who were aborted that he would have adopted and taken care of because he’s just like Jesus, that’s who.//

194 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:58:18pm

OMG what do we have here?

195 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:13pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Touchy little douchebag when presented with an argument, huh?

196 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:20pm

re: #191 allegro

Hey, Jackie, I need to use your body for awhile to filter my blood and provide nutrients while I recover from an illness. Should be well in about 9 months. If you don’t, I will DIE. It will be MURDER.

Help me formulate a law to make it illegal to refuse, ‘k?

Don’t worry. If this is not medically supervised, your chances of dying are a fraction of a percent, or so. With modern medical supervision, your risk should be much lower.

197 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:30pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

Nope, most of us have abortions because we don’t choose to be pregnant. We don’t choose to parent a(nother) child at that particular time. That’s just fine and it isn’t any of your business.

198 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:35pm

re: #192 jackw33

I got Bob Menendez’ credit card statement

Oh look, he’s a walking bullshit factory. Which asylum did you escape from, little boy? Free Republic? Breitbart? Hotair?

199 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:58pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

So what? Who the fuck died and gave you moral authority over the bodies of all women?

Didn’t you know? Women give up all their autonomy and all their agency the moment they get pregnant. They no longer control their own body or have any free will at all.

Oh, and don’t go getting any ideas about giving her birth control pills or any way to control her reproductive rights. She’ll just abuse those rights and go off and have sex without the possibility of being pregnant.

///////

200 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 1:59:58pm

re: #195 jackw33

Touchy little douchebag when presented with an argument, huh?

What argument, besides ye olde “moral authority” bit?

201 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:00:39pm

re: #194 Professional Poo Flinger

OMG what do we have here?

A troll-shaped punching bag that Charles is letting us keep for a while.

202 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:00:42pm

re: #180 jackw33

So now you agree. PP DOES do abortions! Congratulations! Someone learned something today!

Straw man. I never didn’t agree (or disagree for that matter).

203 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:01:10pm

re: #190 Sionainn

Well - take your argument to any of the 50 State houses in the country cause they all have laws setting parameters for when und under what circumstances abortions can be performed

204 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:01:16pm

re: #195 jackw33

Touchy little douchebag when presented with an “argument”, huh?

FTFY

205 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:01:32pm

re: #197 allegro

then close. your. legs.

206 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:01:33pm

Conservatives are for less government.

Conservatives trust people over government.

Tyranny.

//

207 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:01:33pm

re: #194 Professional Poo Flinger

OMG what do we have here?

Chew toy. Needs more variety in its responses to improve entertainment value.

208 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:01pm

re: #195 jackw33

Touchy little douchebag when presented with an argument, huh?

Oh, you were looking for an argument? I thought you were looking for abuse, YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

209 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:12pm

And they wonder why women think the gop are sexist pigs…

210 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:12pm

re: #203 jackw33

Well - take your argument to any of the 50 State houses in the country cause they all have laws setting parameters for when und under what circumstances abortions can be performed

Because they can’t overturn Roe v Wade on their own, they’ll instead undermine it by making it virtually impossible to legally obtain an abortion. No surprises there.

211 Ghost of Sionainn  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:17pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

Keep your dick in your pants. Problem solved.

212 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:19pm

re: #202 Geoff with a G

you said it’s only 3%.

213 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:02:32pm

re: #208 Kragar

Oh, you were looking for an argument? I thought you were looking for abuse, YOU VACUOUS TOFFEE-NOSED MALODOROUS PERVERT!!!

He won’t get it.

214 Lidane  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:03:11pm

re: #205 jackw33

Better idea: treat women like human beings.

Also: keep your dick in your pants. And go fuck yourself while you’re at it.

215 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:03:35pm

re: #203 jackw33

Well - take your argument to any of the 50 State houses in the country cause they all have laws setting parameters for when und under what circumstances abortions can be performed

There were also states which had laws about who could and couldn’t own slaves , or who could attend what schools based on their skin color, until the Federal government stepped in with laws.

216 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:03:44pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

There we go. I just knew the “slutty sluts want to have abortions because they can’t keep their legs closed” steaming load of shit was just waiting to come out.

Did you take Ex-Lax before registering today?

217 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:04:12pm

re: #212 jackw33

you said it’s only 3%.

So you are using my post as proof that I previously agreed/or disagreed prior to making my post?

218 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:04:25pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

And there we go. The whole argument revolves around Jack hating women.

219 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:04:35pm

I’m waiting to hear how many people Jackie has MURDERED by not donating blood, bone marrow, or organs.

220 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:04:37pm

re: #59 Gus

Oh I love Kai!

221 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:05:00pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

He won’t get it.

Judging from his views on women, I can’t ever see him getting any.

222 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:05:04pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

1: not PP. The guttmacher institute and the journal Obstetrics and Gynecology.
2: not a brag. Statement of facts. (That particular number is citations 4 and 5.)

223 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:05:57pm

re: #215 Kragar

oops, here comes the “racist”, “slave” bullshit you always fall back on as a last resort

224 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:06:32pm

re: #218 Kragar

And there we go. The whole argument revolves around Jack hating women.

Now, now, he probably only hates the ones who won’t fuck HIM… well OK, that would be pretty much all of them considering his attitude displayed here.

Neverrrrrr mind.

225 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:06:43pm

re: #223 jackw33

oops, here comes the “racist”, “slave” bullshit you always fall back on as a last resort

You probably think AGW is a hoax.
Obama wasn’t born here.
Benghazi was a coverup.

No?

226 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:07:51pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

Then keep. it. zipped.

227 allegro  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:08:12pm

Hey, Jackie, seriously. How many people have you MURDERED by not donating blood, marrow, or organs?

228 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:09:37pm

Why do the only trolls who gather up the balls to actually register are usually walking cliches?

229 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:09:37pm

re: #223 jackw33

oops, here comes the “racist”, “slave” bullshit you always fall back on as a last resort

You see, there are these things called rights, which people are entitled to, even if you don’t like them. They aren’t just for heterosexual Christian White Men anymore.

I know that might come as quite a shock.

230 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:09:52pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

Why don’t you go find somebody’s slave and ask them what they think?

231 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:10:12pm

re: #230 jackw33

Why don’t you go find somebody’s slave and ask them what they think?

Nope, I asked you.

232 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:10:47pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

Nope, I asked you.

NO U!
///

233 jackw33  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:11:02pm

re: #229 Kragar

And nobody has them but white Christian heterosexuals, right? Poor depraved population. I wonder when someone will invent the electric light bulb

234 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:13:03pm

re: #233 jackw33

And nobody has them but white Christian heterosexuals, right?

Says the guy arguing to remove the rights a woman has to her own body.

What do you think about marriage equality?

235 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:13:28pm

4000000 births in 2011.

236 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:14:02pm

re: #235 Professional Poo Flinger

4000000 births in 2011.

The anti choicers only care about the pre-born.

237 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:14:34pm

Wooh boy, Exhausted from another day of carryin’ around all these embedded dead babies in me.
Was a little bored. Thought I might go have an abortion, ya’ know, for fun like women do. Instead decided to come on here and praise Obama while I prayed to the Atheist God and counted all my welfare checks.

/////

238 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:15:21pm

If only there was as much concern and passion for caring for the children who are ALREADY HERE. The ones sitting in foster care and orphanages, the ones in poverty, the ones living in places with little education funding, the ones in abusive homes, the ones whose families cannot afford their care for illnesses and disabilities, the ones thrown away by families who do not want them. If only all that vitriol being spewed here could somehow be redirected into loving care for those who need it so much…..

At the very least it would be nice to see that much energy directed into making sure our young people had sexual education and access to birth control so that the need for abortion becomes rare. If only…

239 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:15:51pm

re: #233 jackw33

And nobody has them but white Christian heterosexuals, right? Poor depraved population. I wonder when someone will invent the electric light bulb

Have you tried the rational approach using logic?

240 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:16:08pm

re: #237 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown(New Dance Craze)

Wooh boy, Exhausted from another day of carryin’ around all these embedded dead babies in me.
Was a little bored. Thought I might go have an abortion, ya’ know, for fun like women do. Instead decided to come on here and praise Obama while I prayed to the Atheist God and counted all my welfare checks.

/////

But how are you supposed to bleed the economy dry as a single mom if you don’t have kids?
///

241 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:17:29pm

re: #185 jackw33

PP brags 1 in 3 women have an abortion. I’m willing to stick my neck out and say that 1 in 3 pregnancies don’t need to be terminated for medical reasons, or incest or rape

Wait. I just looked at this again. You dishonest little …

1 in 3 women have an abortion by the age of 45. That is NOT 1 in 3 pregnancies.

242 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:18:02pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

The anti choicers only care about the pre-born.

Of course. The ‘pro-life’ crowd has a definite tendency to only care about life between conception and birth.

243 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:19:22pm

New York City’s Teen Pregnancy Rate Plummeted After High Schools Expanded Access To Plan B

The teen pregnancy rate in New York City dropped by 27 percent over the last decade, a statistic that city officials credit to teens’ expanded access to contraception.

The city’s health commissioner, Tom Farley, told the New York Daily News that the data shows two concurrent trends: more adolescents are choosing to use birth control, and more of them are also delaying sexual intercourse. That’s partly because New York is one of the 21 states that allows all minors to have access to contraceptive services — and two years ago, the public school system began a pilot program to provide Plan B to public school students in districts with high rates of unintended pregnancy:

244 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:19:47pm

re: #241 kirkspencer

Wait. I just looked at this again. You dishonest little …

1 in 3 women have an abortion by the age of 45. That is NOT 1 in 3 pregnancies.

YOU MEAN JACK LIED!?!?!?

245 klys  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:19:55pm

re: #238 A Mom Anon

At the very least it would be nice to see that much energy directed into making sure our young people had sexual education and access to birth control so that the need for abortion becomes rare. If only…

The problem with that, of course, is that it acknowledges that young people might want to have sex outside of the only morally allowed occasion (you know, in a married heterosexual relationship for the purpose of having children). Or any people, really.

Because we all know that God made sex uncomfortable/boring/painful* and something you only do when absolutely necessary. //

* I feel like I should acknowledge that it can be this way for women (and perhaps men, I don’t know) even if they are otherwise interested in it and am more remarking on the general attitude that sex is only done because it “feels good.”

246 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:21:09pm

re: #240 Kragar

That’s where my plan has always seemed to hit a wall. So, I was thinking, as a sleazy lefty, I will get Canadian Citizenship then ILLEGALLY come back to America and then have a bunch of illegal babies then sit back and suck off sweet Sam’s teat!!!

247 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:22:18pm

re: #246 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown(New Dance Craze)

That’s where my plan has always seemed to hit a wall. So, I was thinking, as a sleazy lefty, I will get Canadian Citizenship then ILLEGALLY come back to America and then have a bunch of illegal babies then sit back and suck off sweet Sam’s teat!!!

Any chance you can maim yourself along the way so you can get disability to?

248 jamesfirecat  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:23:33pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

What does that have to do with anything? Do you feel that women do not have a right to the possibility of consiquences free sex before they go barren?

249 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:23:47pm

re: #247 Kragar

I like the way you think.

250 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:24:48pm

re: #245 klys

It’s all about making sure women have little choice in how many children they have and who fathers them. If it was about the awfulness of abortion then they would actually give a damn about making sure that there was scientifically accurate sexual education and birth control available for everyone. They’d also actually give a damn about the actual issues and problems facing the kids who are already here. If Jack really was involved in those sorts of things he sure as hell wouldn’t have time to sit here and tell us ladies to keep our legs closed.

251 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:24:56pm

re: #244 Kragar

YOU MEAN JACK LIED!?!?!?

Actually, thinking about it I think it more likely he (she?) just doesn’t pay attention to statistics. Doesn’t think about what he or she is reading, rejects contradictory evidence, misreads material, etc.

252 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:26:12pm

re: #248 jamesfirecat

EXACTLY. Men yes. Women NO! Shut those legs!

253 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:27:08pm

re: #250 A Mom Anon

It’s all about making sure women have little choice in how many children they have and who fathers them. If it was about the awfulness of abortion then they would actually give a damn about making sure that there was scientifically accurate sexual education and birth control available for everyone. They’d also actually give a damn about the actual issues and problems facing the kids who are already here. If Jack really was involved in those sorts of things he sure as hell wouldn’t have time to sit here and tell us ladies to keep our legs closed.

Needed to repost this. Just cause.

254 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:27:21pm

Did Jackie disappear?

255 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:28:22pm

re: #252 Goosestepping Obama Tina Brown(New Dance Craze)

EXACTLY. Men yes. Women NO! Shut those legs!

They same guys pitching fits about having to pay for a woman’s birth control are the same ones demanding viagra gets covered as a medical necessity.

JESUS MADE YOUR DICK STOP WORKING FOR A REASON, YOU ASSHOLES!

256 Ghost of Sionainn  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:28:45pm

re: #241 kirkspencer

Wait. I just looked at this again. You dishonest little …

1 in 3 women have an abortion by the age of 45. That is NOT 1 in 3 pregnancies.

…and how many miscarriages are there a year? Why does God hate the little babies?
//

257 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:30:04pm

There’s too much government. Government always trying to tell us what to do. Government violating our Freedom. The individual is more important than government or the group. Get government off our backs. Too much government bureaucracy. Government is incompetent. Too much regulation.

Except for abortion. In the case of abortion, all the above statements don’t apply.

///

258 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:30:47pm

re: #254 Professional Poo Flinger

Did Jackie disappear?

He’ll be back once this thread is dead.
;)

259 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:31:29pm

re: #258 Varek Raith

He’ll be back once this thread is dead.
;)

Prediction: “You’ve all left, making me the winner!”

260 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:32:49pm
…and how many miscarriages are there a year? Why does God hate the little babies?

All those are the womenz fault too because shut up that’s why.

261 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:33:04pm

re: #259 Kragar

Prediction: “You’ve all left, making me the winner!”

So, let’s leave another hanging question.

Abstinence only or full spectrum sex education? Should high schoolers be taught about contraceptives and their effectiveness rates?

262 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:34:12pm

re: #261 kirkspencer

So, let’s leave another hanging question.

Abstinence only or full spectrum sex education? Should high schoolers be taught about contraceptives and their effectiveness rates?

The obvious solution is church regulated chastity devices.
/

263 klys  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:34:36pm

re: #250 A Mom Anon

I try, sometimes, to give people arguing against safe, legal access to abortion the benefit of the doubt, that they haven’t really thought through all of the implications of policies such as these. That this can really be an extremely nuanced issue, like so many others, and the political climate doesn’t allow nuance these days. And I like to believe that there is in fact common ground that can be achieved with a lot of people, and we might not see eye to eye on everything but we can all work to empower women to make responsible choices about when they want to bring a child into this world and have the resources needed in order to do that - because it benefits everyone when it is the woman’s (and hopefully the family’s) choice. Not just the family and the child, but also society as a whole.

And then I read arguments like those presented here and it’s very hard to maintain that benefit of the doubt.

264 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:35:12pm

Arkansas is also trying to pass another idiotic law allowing guns in churches.
Priorities people,priorities. I’m sure there’s no poverty or crumbling infrastructure in Arkansas, no schools in need of teachers or repairs, no people who need decent jobs. I’m guessing of course because certainly those righteous warriors of the people and decency have all that covered already since they have time for uterus patrol and gun fetishes.

265 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:35:13pm

re: #205 jackw33

then close. your. legs.

then shut. your. mouth.

266 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:36:08pm

Looks like I don’t have to go to TGDN anymore to look for nutbags, TGDN comes here!

267 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:36:51pm

re: #266 Vicious Babushka

For your shopping convenience and dining and dancing pleasure!!

268 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:38:30pm

re: #267 A Mom Anon

For your shopping convenience and dining and dancing pleasure!!

This chew toy gets a C (nothing other than the usual talking points).

269 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:43:03pm

re: #268 EPR-radar

These aren’t even new talking points either, this shit is from the 70’s.

270 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:44:26pm

re: #269 A Mom Anon

These aren’t even new talking points either, this shit is from the 70’s.

The 1870s.

271 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 2:51:45pm

I’m guessing Jack’s keeper showed up and wondered how Jack got out of the cage.

272 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:37:40pm

re: #158 Targetpractice

Republicans have tried for years to get proof that PP is using government funds to provide abortions, and has yet to come up with anything besides the argument that funds going to screenings and health care “frees up” money from other sources for abortions.

Hence their “starve the beast” tactics.

273 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:47:10pm

re: #254 Professional Poo Flinger

Did Jackie disappear?

Hopefully, Stinky sent him to the glue factory.

274 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:49:51pm

Jackie only has -328 karma.

Come on Lizardim, I know you can do better than that!

275 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:33:04pm

re: #205 jackw33

Then keep it in your pants. Better yet, get a vasectomy so the chances of you reproducing are eliminated. It’s a win/win for the Human race. You don’t reproduce another moronic idiot to take your place and the gene pool gets cleaned up at the same time.

276 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:39:41pm

re: #274 Ghost of Alouette

He down to a -428 now. Going to be interesting to see what he is down to tomorrow morning.

277 chadu  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:11:56pm

re: #126 jackw33

If it isn’t a baby, why are you worried about it being born?

What if it were an “anchor baby”? Should it still be born, thus gaining American citizenship and helping illegal aliens stay in the country? Or is abortion okay in that case?

Curious minds would like to know.

278 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:45:26pm

A couple of days ago I looked at the bottom comments, and there were two, both only at -2. How times change.

279 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:05:57pm

What difference a troll makes.

280 biorabbi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:44:18pm

I live in Arkansas and have since ‘98. This is also the state that produced Bill Clinton and we currently have a democratic head of state in Arkansas.

But…the abortion story is not surprising as the one planned parenthood I’m aware of looks like some sort of world war II Japanese pill-box bunker with multiple points of egress.

I’m ashamed of this story and wish Charles would pick on Mississippi or Alabama for a change and leave us razorbacks alone =).

281 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 5:47:32pm

re: #6 Lidane

So how many women vote for Republicans in Arkansas? I would guess well over 50% (among the White population). I don’t understand that at all.


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