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1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:52:27pm

THERE ARE TOO MANY MOTHER FUCKING SNAKES IN THAT MOTHER FUCKING BAG!

2 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:53:17pm

I think they used some kind of special effects. No way there were 4 snakes in that bag.

3 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:54:35pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I think they used some kind of special effects. No way there were 4 snakes in that bag.

We should freeze frame it and count the pixels.

Someone needs to starts a heat map.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:55:54pm

re: #1 Kragar

THERE ARE TOO MANY MOTHER FUCKING SNAKES IN THAT MOTHER FUCKING BAG!

Damn you, taking the good jokes first!

/

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:57:26pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

Damn you, taking the good jokes first!

/

6 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 3:58:02pm

4 snakes in that bag?

Nope—Chuck Testa.

7 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:00:16pm

I love reptiles in all their various guises.

8 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:03:44pm

re: #7 EdDantes

I love reptiles in all their various guises.

They were in a bag, not a guise.

9 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:05:02pm

re: #1 Kragar

THERE ARE TOO MANY MOTHER FUCKING SNAKES IN THAT MOTHER FUCKING BAG!

I was hoping for something like that —- the bag opens up, then it is like the snake scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Mass panic ensues.

10 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:07:16pm

re: #8 Ghost of a Poo Flinger


You are in a bag, guy’s.

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:07:42pm

re: #9 EPR-radar

I was hoping for something like that —- the bag opens up, then it is like the snake scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark. Mass panic ensues.

Snakes…why’d it have to be snakes?

12 OtterQueen  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:10:41pm

Pfffft. I once knew a guy with five snakes in a bag.

13 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:11:13pm

re: #12 OtterQueen

Pfffft. I once knew a guy with five snakes in a bag.

I just have two balls in a bag.

14 OtterQueen  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:11:55pm

re: #13 Ghost of a Poo Flinger

I hear that’s enough.

15 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:21:03pm

re: #12 OtterQueen

Pfffft. I once knew a guy with five snakes in a bag.

Funny…I knew a guy with a six demon bag!

/you know what ol’ Jack Burton says at a time like this?

16 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:21:19pm

Oh look, America’s Scariest Ghost Costumes!

17 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:21:54pm

re: #13 Ghost of a Poo Flinger

I just have two balls in a bag.

re: #14 OtterQueen

I hear that’s enough.

Except for Dr. Evil…he had three.

18 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:23:57pm

re: #17 TedStriker

re: #14 OtterQueen

Except for Dr. Evil…he had three.

I could have been a shark.

19 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:30:20pm

re: #15 TedStriker

Funny…I knew a guy with a six demon bag!

/you know what ol’ Jack Burton says at a time like this?

You know, wind, fire, that kind of thing.

20 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:30:50pm

re: #19 Ghost of a Dopefish

You know, earth, wind, fire, that sort of thing.

Precisely!!!

21 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:31:44pm

re: #18 b_sharp

I could have been a shark.

Did you want a laser mounted to your head?

22 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:36:58pm

why do all my days lately seem like a long list of tasks that must be performed as quickly as possible, lasting from the time i haul my ass out of bed in the morning until midnight?

poo

23 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:40:13pm

i’m afraid i have no scrotological contribution at this moment

24 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:40:21pm

I saw this posted elsewhere and just thought I’d share it for the edification of the Lizardim. Something for one of us to bust out any time another #TGDN troll shows up to play.

Wickety-Wack land!

25 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:40:41pm

re: #21 TedStriker

Did you want a laser mounted to your head?

2 penises.
Laser would be good too.

26 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:44:32pm

Good evening, all.

27 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:51:09pm

Evening Lizards. What’s up with the ghost meme?

28 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:51:51pm

re: #27 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. What’s up with the ghost meme?

We had a troll visit in the previous thread, the Ghost of Hugo Chavez. As a result, we had a bit of a ghost infestation.

29 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:52:34pm

re: #27 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. What’s up with the ghost meme?

What ghosts?

30 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 4:59:29pm

troll visit

what was the nym of this pestilential manifestation? i don’t see any comments marked by large negative comment numbers…

31 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:01:03pm

re: #30 engineer cat

what was the nym of this pestilential manifestation? i don’t see any comments marked by large negative comment numbers…

See Comments, Bottom.

32 engineer cat  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:02:45pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

See Comments, Bottom.

ah

33 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:02:52pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

See Comments, Bottom.

Then go ding it down.

34 darthstar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:03:55pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

See Comments, Bottom.

Whoo! That was one fucked up individual.

35 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:08:57pm

re: #34 darthstar

Whoo! That was one fucked up individual.

Still is. It’s too unbanned to roast it yet.

36 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:10:11pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Still is. It’s too unbanned to roast it yet.

The Lizardim do so enjoy their punching bags. It’s a nice form of stress relief, especially for those of you who wage war in the fetid trenches of the Twitterverse.

37 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:10:32pm

We need a good troll or two every once in a while to keep the reflexes sharp.

39 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:10:58pm

re: #37 Charles Johnson

We need a good troll or two every once in a while to keep the reflexes sharp.

To sharpen our claws, as it were.

40 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:11:48pm

re: #39 TedStriker

To sharpen our claws, as it were.

Or fangs. “Chew toy” seemed to be an appropriate description.

41 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:12:14pm

re: #40 EPR-radar

Or fangs. “Chew toy” seemed to be an appropriate description.

And it fits well with the practice of roasting their gamey buttocks on the troll barbecue after we’re finished with them.

42 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:12:47pm
43 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:13:30pm

Watch a TGDN TwitterLynch go down in realtime.

44 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:20:04pm

re: #38 Gus

These zero tolerance rules have gotten out of hand. I can understand having some of them (illicit drugs,etc) , but when they get taken to extremes (imaginary weapons and such)) and are enforced, they only make the Schools look foolish.

45 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:20:16pm

re: #43 Ghost of Alouette

Watch a TGDN TwitterLynch go down in realtime.

The irony is completely lost on these people.

46 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:22:08pm

Braaaaiiinnnssssss.

47 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:22:16pm

re: #44 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

These zero tolerance rules have gotten out of hand. I can understand having some of them (illicit drugs,etc) , but when they get taken to extremes (imaginary weapons and such)) and are enforced, they only make the Schools look foolish.

Big time. I guess playing war or cowboys and Indians is no longer in the picture.

“Bang! You’re dead!”

“ARREST THAT CHILD!”

[Faints.]

48 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:22:34pm

re: #46 Ghost of Stinky Beaumont

Braaaaiiinnnssssss.

OH GOD THEY GOT CHARLES. WE’RE ALL DOOMED.

49 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:24:28pm

re: #47 Gus

Big time. I guess playing war or cowboys and Indians is no longer in the picture.

“Bang! Your dead!”

“ARREST THAT CHILD!”

[Faints.]

Between the over-the-top rules and restrictions and the increasingly popular phenomenon of helicopter parenting, I pity the upcoming generations. My wife tells me she’s already been asked by well-meaning “others” why she doesn’t helicopter more. Err, I don’t know, perhaps because we’re raising him the same way WE were raised? I note with some satisfaction that neither of us has died yet…

50 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:25:36pm

Why would a ghost want brains?

51 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:26:17pm

re: #50 Kragar

Why would a ghost want brains?

To feed the pet zombies.

52 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:28:47pm

Oh boy, expect more howling.

AP sources: Pentagon extending benefits for gays

The military is poised to extend some benefits to the same-sex partners of service members, U.S. officials said Tuesday, about 16 months after the Pentagon repealed its ban on openly gay service.

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta has not made a final decision on which benefits will be included, the officials said, but the Pentagon is likely to allow same-sex partners to have access to the on-base commissary and other military subsidized stores, as well as some health and welfare programs.

Panetta must walk a fine, legal line. While there has been increased pressure on the Pentagon to extend some benefits to same-sex partners, defense officials must be careful not to violate the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, or DOMA. The federal law forbids the federal government from recognizing any marriage other than those between a man and a woman.

All the more reason DOMA needs to be tossed.

53 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:29:53pm

re: #50 Kragar

Why would a ghost want brains?

Piiiiiicky piiiiicky.

54 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:31:18pm

We are home from St. Louis, it was snowing when we got closer to Chicagloland. The dogs are home from overnight camp. While walking into the doctor’s office this am, I got a call from the nurse where my Mom lives. I couldn’t talk and cut her off. I called back and found they took her to the hospital on a non-emergency basis for an evaluation (she was dizzy and may have lost consciousness).

Everyone I’ve talked to is saying she is very forgetful, which is a new thing. Now I have to figure-out if I have to move her to an assisted living facility or keep going as we are with additional nursing check-ins.

I’m dazed and confused.

you?

55 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:31:36pm

re: #53 Ghost of Stinky Beaumont

Piiiiiicky piiiiicky.

C’mon, Charles, we are the Lizardim. Attention to detail is what separates us from the vast unwashed.

56 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:31:57pm

re: #53 Ghost of Stinky Beaumont

Piiiiiicky piiiiicky.

You’ve got to understand the curse before you can break it.

57 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:32:08pm

re: #52 Kragar

Oh boy, expect more howling.

AP sources: Pentagon extending benefits for gays

All the more reason DOMA needs to be tossed.

No it doesn’t need to be tossed. Because if it’s tossed, some asshole may pick it up and bring it back. It needs to squashed flatter than a pancake so it can’t be brought back.

58 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:32:25pm

re: #54 FemNaziBitch

We are home from St. Louis, it was snowing when we got closer to Chicagloland. The dogs are home from overnight camp. While walking into the doctor’s office this am, I got a call from the nurse where my Mom lives. I couldn’t talk and cut her off. I called back and found they took her to the hospital on a non-emergency basis for an evaluation (she was dizzy and may have lost consciousness).

Everyone I’ve talked to is saying she is very forgetful, which is a new thing. Now I have to figure-out if I have to move her to an assisted living facility or keep going as we are with additional nursing check-ins.

I’m dazed and confused.

you?

{ggt}

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:32:32pm

re: #55 Ghost of a Dopefish

C’mon, Charles, we are the Lizardim. Attention to detail is what separates us from the vast unwashed.

We’re supposed to wash now?

60 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:32:35pm

re: #49 Ghost of a Dopefish

Between the over-the-top rules and restrictions and the increasingly popular phenomenon of helicopter parenting, I pity the upcoming generations. My wife tells me she’s already been asked by well-meaning “others” why she doesn’t helicopter more. Err, I don’t know, perhaps because we’re raising him the same way WE were raised? I note with some satisfaction that neither of us has died yet…

They probably ban certain forms of onomatopoeia. Pow, pow! [Faints]

61 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:33:25pm

Physicist Lawrence Krauss on teaching creationism: It’s a form of child abuse

Krauss noted that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) recently declined to say how old the Earth was, insisting it was “one of the great mysteries.” Krauss blasted the idea of teaching the Earth was 6,000 years old — as some Christians believe — rather than 4.55 billion years old.

“If you think about that, somehow saying that, well, anything goes, we shouldn’t offend religious beliefs by requiring kids to know – to understand reality; that’s child abuse,” he said. “And if you think about it, teaching kids – or allowing the notion that the earth is 6,000 years old to be promulgated in schools is like teaching kids that the distance across the United States is 17 feet. That’s how big an error it is.”

Krauss added the “purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it.”

62 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:33:44pm

re: #57 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

No it doesn’t need to be tossed. Because if it’s tossed, some asshole may pick it up and bring it back. It needs to squashed flatter than a pancake so it can’t be brought back.

Burn it with fire then?

63 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:33:54pm

Hello, all

In for a few

64 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:33:55pm
65 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:09pm

re: #61 Kragar

Krauss added the “purpose of education is not to validate ignorance, but to overcome it.”

Texas immediately posted guards on all borders.

66 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:17pm

re: #57 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

No it doesn’t need to be tossed. Because if it’s tossed, some asshole may pick it up and bring it back. It needs to squashed flatter than a pancake so it can’t be brought back.

what about quashing it?

67 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:27pm

re: #61 Kragar

Physicist Lawrence Krauss on teaching creationism: It’s a form of child abuse

Perhaps rhetorically. If people start talking child abuse people will start thinking “what are they going to arrest me for teaching my kid creationism.” Not exactly a good way of bringing people from the other side.

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:33pm

re: #65 jaunte

Texas immediately posted guards on all borders.

“Get a rope.”

69 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:44pm

re: #64 Ghost of a Dopefish

And on the topic of Teh Ghey (tm)…

Duff Goldman offers free wedding cake to gay couple tossed out by another pastry chef

Yep, in business to turn a profit that one.

70 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:35:45pm

re: #63 researchok

Needed a break from familial duties.

Not only can’t you go home…you don’t want to.

71 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:36:05pm

re: #62 Kragar

Burn it with fire then?

Yep. I really hope the SCOTUS not only overturns this Law, but rips it to shreds.

72 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:36:05pm

Sorry, I meant “posses.”

73 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:36:18pm

Big Gay™

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:36:22pm

re: #67 Gus

Perhaps rhetorically. If people start talking child abuse people will start thinking “what are they going to arrest me for teaching my kid creationism.” Not exactly a good way of bringing people from the other side.

They already think they’re going to be arrested for homeschooling once Obama gets around to implementing Agenda 21.

75 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:38:02pm

re: #73 Gus

Don’t know what you are referring to, but when you only need two words I know the universe is back in alignment.

76 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:38:18pm

HUZZAH!!! Dragonborn is available today! I was thinking tomorrow for some reason.

77 Ghost of Archangelus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:38:38pm

re: #71 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Yep. I really hope the SCOTUS not only overturns this Law, but rips it to shreds.

Amen to that, though you know the pitch of the howling from amongst RWNJs will reach new all-time height when that day comes…

78 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:39:22pm

re: #57 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Upding for the Nic!

79 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:39:29pm

re: #75 researchok

Don’t know what you are referring to, but when you only need two words I know the universe is back in alignment.

Bryan Fischer…. big gay is coming for your house!

80 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:39:35pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

what about quashing it?

That works too. But squashing not only requires a lot of downward force, but a slight twist of the foot or hand to insure the total destruction of the offending object.

81 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:39:44pm

re: #74 Kragar

They already think they’re going to be arrested for homeschooling once Obama gets around to implementing Agenda 21.

It’s probably because I am who I am and spent so much time in the Montessori world that I’ve never met a homeschooler who did it because of religious reasons. Usually because they had a child whom the local school district couldn’t properly education and they couldn’t afford or find a private school that could.

My one friend refused to join a homeschool group because they all seemed to have “rules” of some sort or another she couldn’t agree with. One did have a “I will not say the word Evolution around my children” pledge that had to be signed by both parents. HA!

82 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:40:27pm

re: #80 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

That works too. But squashing not only requires a lot of downward force, but a slight twist of the foot or hand to insure the total destruction of the offending object.

True, much easier than quashing, which (IIRC) requires an attorney.

83 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:40:33pm

It’s like Big Oil or Big Pharma but with gays instead. :D

84 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:41:09pm

re: #79 Gus

Apprently there are at least two alternate universes…the one I’m in now and Fischer’s.

85 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:41:32pm

So, what is it we are tossing, squashing and quashing?

86 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:41:52pm

re: #84 researchok

Apprently there are at least two alternate universes…the one I’m in now and Fischer’s.

three—mine.

87 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:42:02pm

re: #85 FemNaziBitch

So, what is it we are tossing, squashing and quashing?

DOMA

88 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:42:36pm

My butt hurts.

89 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:42:43pm

re: #86 FemNaziBitch

Welcome to the family.

90 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:43:03pm

re: #88 Gus

My butt hurts.

more than the foot?

91 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:43:04pm

re: #88 Gus

I’m not touching that

92 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:43:09pm

What’s under the “friendly new face” of the GOP:

93 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:43:24pm

re: #77 Ghost of Archangelus

Amen to that, though you know the pitch of the howling from amongst RWNJs will reach new all-time height when that day comes…

If we are lucky enough, it will go ultrasonic and drive dogs mad enough to start bitting them.

94 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:43:39pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

more than the foot?

Ankle. Nah.

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:44:09pm

Zack Wahls: Defenders of Boy Scout’s gay ban rely on ‘biblical literalist fundamentalism’

“A lot of folks are trying to fall back on these, quote-unquote, ‘traditional moral American values,’ by which they’re actually referring to this biblical literalist fundamentalism that has become popular in America over the last 40 years or so,” Wahls said on Democracy Now.

“If I think about what are truly American traditional values, I think there’s probably nothing more American than the idea of ‘live and let live,’” he continued. “It’s really why we founded this country, had the revolution in the first place. And so, when I think about what these folks are trying to talk about, I simply have a hard time believing that this is really what is most important here.”

96 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:44:12pm

Bryan Fisher and the GOP are playing by the Iran Mullah’s playbook and the xenophobic think that’s just fine.

Sadly, they have a lot of money behind them.

97 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:44:23pm

re: #91 researchok

I’m not touching that

You missed the fun. Fractured my fibula and tore a Deltoid ligament.

98 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:44:59pm

…quick smoke…

99 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:45:18pm

re: #97 Gus

Arrrgh!

You will be on your butt for a while.

100 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:45:36pm

re: #81 FemNaziBitch

Reminds me of a long ago conversation I had with my grandmother (Missouri Synod Lutheran) when I was in 4th grade. Somehow we got onto the subject of evolution, and I was a science-geeky kid without an ounce of diplomacy.

As I recall, I was a bit bemused by the whole conversation, since I couldn’t imagine anyone taking such fabulous tales seriously. My parent were appalled when they heard the story (by my lack of diplomacy more than anything else).

101 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:45:38pm

re: #97 Gus

You missed the fun. Fractured my fibula and tore a Deltoid ligament.

Crikey, mate. I don’t think I’d heard the full diagnosis. That’s gonna set you back a bit.

102 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:46:03pm

re: #88 Gus

My butt hurts.

////// Then you are doing it wrong.

103 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:46:41pm

I can’t see the clip in the OP. Just blank.

104 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:48:40pm
105 researchok  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:48:57pm

later all…

Pain in ass brother to deal with

106 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:49:15pm

re: #99 researchok

Arrrgh!

You will be on your butt for a while.

That’s where I typically sit. Patch of ice. Fell on it.

107 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:49:44pm

re: #101 Ghost of a Dopefish

Crikey, mate. I don’t think I’d heard the full diagnosis. That’s gonna set you back a bit.

Yep.

OK, next topic please! :O

108 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:49:50pm

Pennsylvania Republicans To Introduce New Election-Rigging Plan

…Unlike the plan Priebus backs, the New Republican Plan would not tie electoral votes to congressional districts. Instead, it would award the overwhelming majority of Pennsylvania’s electoral votes proportionally according to the popular vote, with two additional electoral votes going to the winner of the state as a whole.

…The problem with the New Republican Plan is that it would only be enacted in blue states such as Pennsylvania — the Democratic candidate for presidential won Pennsylvania in every single election for the past two decades — while red states would continue to award all of their electoral votes to the Republican.

109 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:49:51pm

re: #104 FemNaziBitch

Undisputed, scientifically proven!

It explains Kai.

110 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:52:32pm

re: #109 Kragar

It explains Kai.

eh?

111 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:52:39pm

re: #108 jaunte

Reason #13,457 to not vote for Republicans for any office, anywhere, ever if one opposes their agenda. Not even for cesspool cleaner.

112 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:54:31pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

eh?

Homeless Hitchhiker(Kai) Saves Woman From Jesus Attack W Hatchet

113 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:54:44pm
114 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:55:03pm

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115 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:55:40pm

re: #114 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

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He can do it!

116 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:55:43pm

I forgot to ask if snakes in a bag was anything like snakes on a plane?

117 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:56:24pm

re: #114 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

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I thought buck was worse—no?

118 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:57:15pm

What happened to researchok? I seemed to have missed it.

119 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:57:27pm

re: #83 Gus

It’s like Big Oil or Big Pharma but with gays instead. :D

I was picturing a 50-foot-tall Big Gay Al.

/

120 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 5:58:35pm

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

I thought buck was worse—no?

That linked annfrance comment is a doozy: -482 karma for a crude attack on Sarah Palin.

Buck does not seem to reach such depths.

121 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:01:40pm

Ok, help me out here.

What logical fallacy heading does this fall under?

122 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:02:05pm

re: #120 EPR-radar

That linked annfrance comment is a doozy: -482 karma for a crude attack on Sarah Palin.

Buck does not seem to reach such depths.

True, no one pays that much attention to him.

123 chadu  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:03:37pm

re: #15 TedStriker

Funny…I knew a guy with a six demon bag!

/you know what ol’ Jack Burton says at a time like this?

Jack Burton: Terrific, a six-demon bag. Sensational. What’s in it, Egg?
Egg Shen: Wind, fire, all that kind of thing!

124 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:03:44pm

Whenever the subject of ghosts comes up, I think of Joe Lansdale’s short story “By Bizarre Hands.”

125 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:03:54pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Looks like a simple case of assuming a bunch of false premises. I don’t think there is a fancy name for that.

126 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:03:57pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

I think that falls under “analogy so weak it becomes a joke.”

127 chadu  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:04:16pm

re: #19 Ghost of a Dopefish

You know, wind, fire, that kind of thing.

That was Egg!

Revoke your geek card./

128 Ghost of a Dopefish  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:05:20pm

re: #127 chadu

That was Egg!

Revoke your geek card./

Tbh, never seen it.

129 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:05:35pm

re: #125 EPR-radar

Looks like a simple case of assuming a bunch of false premises. I don’t think there is a fancy name for that.

I’m thinking it is just plain ole’ “alcoholic thinking”.

no?

130 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:06:25pm

re: #117 FemNaziBitch

I thought buck was worse—no?

Not really. annefrance got -482 for a single comment. I don’t know of anyone else who racked up a score quite as fast as that one.

131 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:06:27pm

re: #114 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Karma: -498

jackw33
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Still hasn’t hit annefrance territory. Yet.

Karma: -619

annefrance
This user is blocked.

Registered since: Feb 3, 2008 at 9:20 am
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Buck’s negative karma dwarfs them both (-13,192), but annefrance’s claim to infamy lies in the fact that most of her negative karma was on one comment.

132 chadu  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:07:30pm

re: #128 Ghost of a Dopefish

Tbh, never seen it.

O_O

Hie yourself to Netflix! STAT!

133 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:08:15pm

What is the deal with Piers Morgan?

Does anyone like him?

134 Skeetghazi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:08:20pm

re: #122 FemNaziBitch

Did you watch the Kai video?

135 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:08:20pm

re: #131 TedStriker

Buck’s negative karma dwarfs them both (-13,192), but annefrance’s claim to infamy lies in the fact that most of her negative karma was on one comment.

Yeah, you have to look at the karma-to-comment ratio.

136 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:09:13pm

re: #134 Skeetghazi

Did you watch the Kai video?

NO, was it posted. I am missing everything today.

Brain is on overload.

137 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:10:09pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Ok, help me out here.

What logical fallacy heading does this fall under?

Smoking is good for you?

Lights up a cigarette.

138 Skeetghazi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:10:23pm

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

NO, was it posted. I am missing everything today.

Brain is on overload.

Kragar posted #112

139 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:10:57pm

#112 has no video when I click it.

140 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:11:40pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Ok, help me out here.

What logical fallacy heading does this fall under?

Plain old false analogy. Brain cells don’t reproduce and replenish the “herd.” Also, alcohol targets the entire brain, not just the slowest cells, so even the fastest functioning, most robust cells are functioning more poorly than before.

141 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:13:03pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

Plain old false analogy. Brain cells don’t reproduce and replenish the “herd.” Also, alcohol targets the entire brain, not just the slowest cells, so even the fastest functioning, most robust cells are functioning more poorly than before.

False Analogy. THANKS!

Now, does anyone think I”ll remember that?

142 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:13:48pm

Image: hFD39CC85.jpg

Later, lizards.

143 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:14:14pm

re: #131 TedStriker

Buck’s negative karma dwarfs them both (-13,192), but annefrance’s claim to infamy lies in the fact that most of her negative karma was on one comment.

Haven’t checked his lately. Hey Buck. Hows it feel to be outstripped by a Bot?

Karma: 1,301

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144 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:14:42pm

re: #114 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Still hasn’t hit annefrance territory. Yet.

It’s like a litmus test frozen in amber.

145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:15:03pm

re: #142 wrenchwench

Image: hFD39CC85.jpg

Later, lizards.

That cat is very thirsty.

146 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:16:03pm
147 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:16:46pm

re: #143 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Haven’t checked his lately. Hey Buck. Hows it feel to be outstripped by a Bot?

Karma: 1,301

Aigle (aigle)
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Registered since: Aug 20, 2009 at 11:22 am
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I seriously don’t think that Buck gives a shit; he obviously enjoys being the LGF gadfly too much

148 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:17:53pm

So Fast and Furious 6 is in the works.

Should I be excited?

149 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:19:07pm
150 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:21:36pm

I have one alcoholic family member who seems to share everything from everyone else on facebook. One post will be “Why I’m a Liberal” and the next will be some picture of Charlton Heston talking about why we need moar gunz.

I just shakes my head.

151 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:24:02pm
152 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:26:45pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Does it look like he/she is having a big blue poop?

Or carrying a purse.

153 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:27:52pm

I’m going to zone-out with William Makepeace Thackeray.

Have a good one all.

154 chadu  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:27:55pm

re: #152 TedStriker

Or carrying a purse.

The dude with the four snakes was carrying a purse! False flag!

155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:36:47pm

Finally got the Kai video to load.

OMG!!!

156 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:41:19pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Finally got the Kai video to load.

OMG!!!

BAN HATCHETS!!!

157 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:43:25pm

I am not responsible for the ads.

158 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:44:03pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Finally got the Kai video to load.

OMG!!!

“Would you do it again?”
“I would have hit the fucker earlier.”

159 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:44:38pm

So maybe O’Reilly is really an anarchist.

160 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:46:05pm

re: #159 jaunte

So maybe O’Reilly is really an anarchist.

Advice on how to marry underage girls and how to soil yourself out of military service?

161 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:46:52pm

re: #160 Kragar

Advice on how to marry underage girls and how to soil yourself out of military service?

It’s OK if you are a right wing nut job?

162 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:48:25pm

Hi Lizards.. Part of our SB wrap-up report. It was a great game and party.
I asked one of our great lizards and cutie to call me at half-time at the Party with some stars of the NFL. Once in a lifetime chance.
I forgot.. She Called.. It was funnier than hell..I was saying, maybe I should call you later…
Oh. No..I’m staying right here with you..Whoops.. I think these guys are going to embarrass me in front of the cute girl from California on the cell during half time. It was a great time had by all. Sorry about the locker room Floral! *wink*

163 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:49:08pm

re: #158 Kragar

“Would you do it again?”
“I would have hit the fucker earlier.”

Right after admitting to the rape of a 14 yr old girl.

Sick.

164 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:49:49pm

Maybe Obama will cave on this like he did on Birth Control and make an exception for cake makers to discriminate based on religious beliefs!

165 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:51:35pm

re: #163 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Right after admitting to the rape of a 14 yr old girl.

Sick.

We need more Kais and fewer Bryan Fischers

166 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:53:58pm

re: #112 Kragar

Homeless Hitchhiker(Kai) Saves Woman From Jesus Attack W Hatchet

[Embedded content]

Kai! Kai! How could I have forgotten about Kai!

167 jaunte  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:55:34pm

Kai definitely deserves some time in Hawaii.

168 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 6:57:10pm

re: #167 jaunte

Kai definitely deserves some time in Hawaii.

I’d chip in to buy him a wetsuit and a board.

169 dragonath  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:00:28pm
170 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:00:31pm

re: #130 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Not really. annefrance got -482 for a single comment. I don’t know of anyone else who racked up a score quite as fast as that one.

That was back in the day before there were time limits on dinging comments. That comment stayed active for months to accumulate such a high ding count. Now comments and threads expire after about a week.

171 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:06:10pm

re: #170 Ghost of Alouette

That was back in the day before there were time limits on dinging comments. That comment stayed active for months to accumulate such a high ding count. Now comments and threads expire after about a week.

I seem to remember that annefrance’s “score” rolled up pretty quick, maybe within a week or two, if that.

172 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:07:40pm

Karma: -552
jackw33

173 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:08:14pm

re: #171 TedStriker

I seem to remember that annefrance’s “score” rolled up pretty quick, maybe within a week or two, if that.

We need a breakdown on Dings per Day.

174 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:09:23pm

annefrance got massively downdinged for saying that Sarah Palin should have had an abortion because she was carrying a Down Syndrome child.

I don’t care what anybody thinks of Sarah Palin, but that was a hideously shitty thing to say and deserved every last downding.

175 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:09:23pm

re: #173 Kragar

We need a breakdown on Dings per Day.

LGF needs a color analyst?

///

176 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:10:33pm

re: #175 TedStriker

LGF needs a color analyst?

///

TO THE HEAT MAPS!!!

177 PT Barnum  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:10:43pm

re: #174 Ghost of Alouette

annefrance got massively downdinged for saying that Sarah Palin should have had an abortion because she was carrying a Down Syndrome child.

I don’t care what anybody thinks of Sarah Palin, but that was a hideously shitty thing to say and deserved every last downding.

I would agree. Sarah Palin is a boil on the ass of the body politic, but that was beyond the pale.

178 PT Barnum  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:12:13pm

re: #173 Kragar

We need a breakdown on Dings per Day.

I dunno, that comes too close to making the ding system more like a scoring system than it already is.

179 Skeetghazi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:12:41pm

In what city did the Kai incident happen?

(one of the best parts was his knowing that if you get pinned while hopping rails you don’t move or you’ll bleed out)

180 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:17:58pm

re: #179 Skeetghazi

In what city did the Kai incident happen?

(one of the best parts was his knowing that if you get pinned while hopping rails you don’t move or you’ll bleed out)

Fresno

181 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:18:13pm

re: #130 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

Not really. annefrance got -482 for a single comment. I don’t know of anyone else who racked up a score quite as fast as that one.

She asked for it: the comment in question was a hideous one about Sarah Palin to the effect that Palin should have aborted her son Trig. That one wouldn’t have gotten that many downdings today, but it would still be -100.

182 Skeetghazi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:19:20pm

re: #180 Gus

Fresno

Thanks.

Oh, and the reference twice to the pole-icy enforcers. Not the pole-icy enforcers, the sheriff.

183 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:19:50pm

Kai shouldn’t have attacked that man without due process. He took extrajudicial action and should have at least waited for the authorities showed up.

Drones!

//

184 Skeetghazi  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:21:03pm

re: #180 Gus

Fresno

In an exclusive update with KMPH reporter, Jessob Reisbeck, “Kai” says he hitchhiked to Northern California and has only recently learned of his Internet fame.

He tells Reisbeck that he is “overwhelmed by the support.”

Meanwhile, the driver behind the attack, 54-year-old Jett Simmons McBride of Tacoma, Wash., was booked into Fresno County Jail on suspicion of attempted murder on a $1 million-bail.

185 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:22:14pm

re: #183 Gus

Kai shouldn’t have attacked that man without due process. He took extrajudicial action and should have at least waited for the authorities showed up.

Drones!

//

I know it is a joke, but Kai does have to justify himself to the authorities.

The US executive branch is accountable to nobody for some of its wet work.

186 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:22:38pm

re: #178 PT Barnum

I dunno, that comes too close to making the ding system more like a scoring system than it already is.

Not for everyone, just specific comments for special cases.

187 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:23:42pm

re: #185 EPR-radar

I know it is a joke, but Kai does have to justify himself to the authorities.

The US executive branch is accountable to nobody for some of its wet work.

Awlaki lost his rights when he decided to become a terrorist. He got what he deserved. Fuck him.

188 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:24:34pm

re: #177 PT Barnum

I would agree. Sarah Palin is a boil on the ass of the body politic, but that was beyond the pale.

I agree but as many may recall. The Downdings became at first a sprinkle on a warm evening to a down pour of biblical proportions when It was pointed out She was posting as a true blooded American somewhere in Canada somewhere. When she couldn’t deny it here it was then Boom! I rarely downding but that was fun!

189 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:25:48pm

re: #187 Gus

Awlaki lost his rights when he decided to become a terrorist. He got what he deserved. Fuck him.

I’ll shed no tears for the likes of Awlaki or OBL. However, not all targets of this are going to be such clear cut cases.

190 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:27:02pm

Evening all!

David Brooks has an interesting OpEd that should be in todays Science Times:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Meanwhile, *in* the Science Times, it turns out that Darwin was fascinated by… pigeons. Evolution in action!

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

And the Monterey Shale in Socal and the central Valley may be becoming economically viable. All you really is a shitpot of..umm…er…water:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Hope all are well!

191 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:28:16pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

I’ll shed no tears for the likes of Awlaki or OBL. However, not all targets of this are going to be such clear cut cases.

This has been the only case so far and no, Obama is not going to be “droning” Americans like some people have been hysterically saying.

192 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:28:52pm

re: #187 Gus

Awlaki lost his rights when he decided to become a terrorist. He got what he deserved. Fuck him.

It’s like WWII: The man openly sided with our enemies, his actions plainly treasonous. We had no real way to arrest him, and his actions were getting Americans killed, so we had to kill him.

193 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:30:38pm

And tonight the far-left is starting to sound like far-right WRT to drones. In fact, some of the hysteria sounds a lot like the gun nuts saying they’re going to be killed by Obama “death squads.”

194 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:34:35pm

re: #193 Gus

And tonight the far-left is starting to sound like far-right WRT to drones. In fact, some of the hysteria sounds a lot like the gun nuts saying they’re going to be killed by Obama “death squads.”

I can’t say I’m shocked. Just wait until the next Republican president. The circle of derp is balanced by laws of physics, not magic.

195 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:35:26pm

re: #193 Gus

And tonight the far-left is starting to sound like far-right WRT to drones. In fact, some of the hysteria sounds a lot like the gun nuts saying they’re going to be killed by Obama “death squads.”

The far sides of the political spectrum always specialize in hysteria, because the people who in habit them are prone to that sort of craziness.

196 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:36:01pm

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

re: #193 Gus

And we couldn’t even try Awliki in absentia? Yemen apparently managed that much, at least. Get some evidence, run it by a judge and jury, and get your death sentence if warranted. Then carry it out with drones or whatever. It shouldn’t be hard to do.

I agree that the drones aren’t going to be flying like mayflies in the US, but the idea that in a basically perpetual war, enemies of the state can be put onto a kill list without judicial oversight is a problem.

197 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:36:42pm

re: #194 Killgore Trout

I can’t say I’m shocked. Just wait until the next Republican president. The circle of derp is balanced by laws of physics, not magic.

Whew. Don’t remind me. I was having nightmares about what the left would become with a Romney win. That’s why it was imperative for Obama to be re-elected. I would die of embarrassment or maybe have a relapse into righty-dom.

198 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:38:54pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

re: #193 Gus

And we couldn’t even try Awliki in absentia? Yemen apparently managed that much, at least. Get some evidence, run it by a judge and jury, and get your death sentence if warranted. Then carry it out with drones or whatever. It shouldn’t be hard to do.

I agree that the drones aren’t going to be flying like mayflies in the US, but the idea that in a basically perpetual war, enemies of the state can be put onto a kill list without judicial oversight is a problem.

He was probably considered a clear and present danger. An eminent and immediate threat already said to be behind the Christmas Bomber attempt which could have killed at least 290 people. Why take that chance?

199 gwangung  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:40:20pm

re: #189 EPR-radar

I’ll shed no tears for the likes of Awlaki or OBL. However, not all targets of this are going to be such clear cut cases.

That’s gonna be the case for ANY military tactic.

200 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:40:37pm

re: #193 Gus

And tonight the far-left is starting to sound like far-right WRT to drones. In fact, some of the hysteria sounds a lot like the gun nuts saying they’re going to be killed by Obama “death squads.”

Sure. But the far left are having a drum circle, and the far right are sitting in congress.

201 gwangung  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:41:18pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

re: #193 Gus

And we couldn’t even try Awliki in absentia?

I don’t believe we’re able to do that.

202 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:43:03pm

re: #195 Dark_Falcon

The far sides of the political spectrum always specialize in hysteria, because the people who in habit them are prone to that sort of craziness.

So stop electing them.

203 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:43:40pm

re: #197 Gus

Whew. Don’t remind me. I was having nightmares about what the left would become with a Romney win. That’s why it was imperative for Obama to be re-elected. I would die of embarrassment or maybe have a relapse into righty-dom.

I think I feel safe from being sucked into bullshit for the time being. The gimmicks are easy and transparent. Nothing more than simple marketing techniques but once enough people figure it out the BS peddlers will find a new strategy.

204 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:44:18pm

re: #196 EPR-radar

re: #193 Gus

And we couldn’t even try Awliki in absentia? Yemen apparently managed that much, at least. Get some evidence, run it by a judge and jury, and get your death sentence if warranted. Then carry it out with drones or whatever. It shouldn’t be hard to do.

I agree that the drones aren’t going to be flying like mayflies in the US, but the idea that in a basically perpetual war, enemies of the state can be put onto a kill list without judicial oversight is a problem.

That poses problems under the Confrontation Clause in the 5th Amendment, which the current Supreme Court tends to take fairly literally, the dominant view on the Court on the matter being Mr. Justice Scalia.

205 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:46:41pm

re: #201 gwangung

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Good points. However, I think an argument could be made that in some cases, it might be better to have an imperfect trial in absentia where at least someone outside the executive branch looks at the evidence, than to proceed with no oversight at all.

206 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:47:32pm

NY Daily news has put up a fairly detailed, possibly even accurate, story on the FBI action to rescue the Midland City hostage. Answers some questions on timing.

[Link: www.nydailynews.com…]

207 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:49:18pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

I think I feel safe from being sucked into bullshit for the time being. The gimmicks are easy and transparent. Nothing more than simple marketing techniques but once enough people figure it out the BS peddlers will find a new strategy.

Yeah. It’s a minority opinion. Most Americans are in the center and realize that Anwar al-Awlaki had it coming. He had a chance to turn himself in. I don’t think people understand the gravity of the threat. Would these same people have been screaming had OBL been assassinated?

208 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:51:42pm

re: #207 Gus

Yeah. It’s a minority opinion. Most Americans are in the center and realize that Anwar al-Awlaki had it coming. He had a chance to turn himself in. I don’t think people understand the gravity of the threat. Would these same people have been screaming had OBL been assassinated?

I’ve basically been assuming ever since I heard the news that OBL was assassinated. I have no problem at all with that state of affairs.

209 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:51:52pm

re: #205 EPR-radar

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

Good points. However, I think an argument could be made that in some cases, it might be better to have an imperfect trial in absentia where at least someone outside the executive branch looks at the evidence, than to proceed with no oversight at all.

That argument can be made, but the judges needed to oversee such a trial are bound by Supreme Court jurisprudence.

210 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:51:56pm

Obama won’t change his “drone policy.” They’re beating on a dead horse.

211 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:53:13pm

re: #210 Gus

Obama won’t change his “drone policy.” They’re beating on a dead horse.

It would be nice to have a better resolution than “The bastard had it coming”.

212 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:54:06pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

It would be nice to have a better resolution than “The bastard had it coming”.

That’s my interpretation. I’m sure the administration worded it differently.

213 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:55:34pm

re: #212 Gus

That’s my interpretation. I’m sure the administration worded it differently.

Sorta backwoods. We need to bring our legal justification in line with our technology.

214 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:55:50pm

I voted for this dick
Wyden Statement on DOJ Memo on the Killing of Americans During Counterterrorism Operations

Every American has the right to know when their government believes that it is allowed to kill them.

Sorry, moonbat. Terrorist leaders do not need to be notified before killed overseas while plotting terrorist attacks.
I’ll be taking a closer look at his opponents next election.

215 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:58:19pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

I voted for this dick
Wyden Statement on DOJ Memo on the Killing of Americans During Counterterrorism Operations

Sorry, moonbat. Terrorist leaders do not need to be notified before killed overseas while plotting terrorist attacks.
I’ll be taking a closer look at his opponents next election.

We’re probably going to have to let perps know this during the next hostage situation.

“You there holding those people hostages. You a right to remain silent. You have a right to an attorney… but we’re also going to shoot you in the head when we get a clear shot.” //

216 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:58:28pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

She asked for it: the comment in question was a hideous one about Sarah Palin to the effect that Palin should have aborted her son Trig. That one wouldn’t have gotten that many downdings today, but it would still be -100.

Actually, I think it would. You sell the Lizard Nation short if you believe that.

217 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:59:20pm

re: #214 Killgore Trout

I voted for this dick
Wyden Statement on DOJ Memo on the Killing of Americans During Counterterrorism Operations

Sorry, moonbat. Terrorist leaders do not need to be notified before killed overseas while plotting terrorist attacks.
I’ll be taking a closer look at his opponents next election.

There is a difference between sending a terrorist suspect a helpful note saying “We’ve put you on the list, if you use your cell phone you’ll die.” and setting forth the general policies under which people can be put on the kill list.

As indicated upthread, “the bastard had it coming” is an unsatisfactory legal standard.

218 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 7:59:22pm

The Taliban should have let her know they were trying to kill her.

219 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:00:05pm

Osama bin Laden should have let us know they were going to attack the WTC.

220 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:00:49pm

re: #215 Gus

We’re probably going to have to let perps know this during the next hostage situation.

“You there holding those people hostages. You a right to remain silent. You have a right to an attorney… but we’re also going to shoot you in the head when we get a clear shot.” //

“We are required to inform you that your hat is insufficient to deflect the bullet that’s about to enter your skull. Please update your headgear and inform us when you are sufficiently protected.”

221 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:02:09pm

re: #216 Ghost Of The Mare Island Mud Puppy

I hope you’re right. But we agreed that anyone posting something that bad would still be downdinged by pretty much everyone who was active on LGF during the time the comment could be downdinged. Heck we’d probably have lurkers logging in just to downding it.

222 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:04:13pm

re: #217 EPR-radar

As indicated upthread, “the bastard had it coming” is an unsatisfactory legal standard.

What is required is a serious conversation. “The Bastard Had it Coming” is a strawman. Go ahead and challenge the administration’s memo with the supreme court. The justification is not as simple as you claim.

223 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:06:10pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

What is required is a serious conversation. “The Bastard Had it Coming” is a strawman. Go ahead and challenge the administration’s memo with the supreme court. The justification is not as simple as you claim.

I don’t make International Lawyer money. Lots of people do. As a general rule, Americans have been sort of shy about Star Chambers.

224 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:11:54pm

Here’s the white paper: [Link: msnbcmedia.msn.com…]

225 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:13:38pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

I don’t make International Lawyer money. Lots of people do. As a general rule, Americans have been sort of shy about Star Chambers.

Of course they are but there’s a little litmus test I learned from Michael Moore propaganda. Ever wonder why Bush wasn’t prosecuted to stealing Florida in 200? It never happened. Ever wonder why the Orwelian Patriot Act was never overturned? Or why the “un Constitutional” healthcare reform bill hasn’t been thrown out? The courts still work, there’s no cabal, no conspiracy. Mostly just overblown claims.

226 Gus  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:13:42pm

Drone warfare and the extrajudicial killing of Anwar al-Awlaki are two different things. The white paper isn’t about the use of drones in normal combat operations against AQ and Taliban.

227 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:16:37pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

Of course they are but there’s a little litmus test I learned from Michael Moore propaganda. Ever wonder why Bush wasn’t prosecuted to stealing Florida in 200? It never happened. Ever wonder why the Orwelian Patriot Act was never overturned? Or why the “un Constitutional” healthcare reform bill hasn’t been thrown out? The courts still work, there’s no cabal, no conspiracy. Mostly just overblown claims.

Just because I tend to trust the judgment of the administration I just re-elected, doesn’t mean this is an acceptable precedent. Some day the Ashcrofts and Cheneys will be back.

228 Bubblehead II  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:18:26pm

Night Lizards. I am actually going to obey the I.F. rule for a change.

Before I lose it.

Sleep well and may the dirty of your choice smile down upon you

229 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:19:07pm

re: #222 Killgore Trout

What is required is a serious conversation. “The Bastard Had it Coming” is a strawman. Go ahead and challenge the administration’s memo with the supreme court. The justification is not as simple as you claim.

From the DOJ memo, it appears that the three elements needed are 1) a high level US official determines that the target poses an imminent threat, 2) capture is infeasible, and 3) operation conforms to applicable laws of war.

To put it crudely, if a high level US official decides “the bastard had it coming”, the operation can proceed, so I don’t really see a straw man here.

Since there is no apparent non-executive oversight, this is unsatisfactory on its face (see e.g., Star Chamber in England). This cannot reasonably be viewed as being due process of law.

230 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:23:08pm

re: #229 EPR-radar

We don’t need to let active citizen-combatants slide, but must develop a process that inspires a high degree of national consensus and confidence.

231 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:25:30pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

We don’t need to let active citizen-combatants slide, but must develop a process that inspires a high degree of national consensus and confidence.

A high degree of national consensus is currently impossible due to severe political polarization.

232 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:26:25pm

re: #231 Dark_Falcon

A high degree of national consensus is currently impossible due to severe political polarization.

We could probably get more than 47%.

233 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:28:44pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

We don’t need to let active citizen-combatants slide, but must develop a process that inspires a high degree of national consensus and confidence.

Agreed. I think it would be best to get the judiciary involved somehow, despite the difficulties of trial in absentia. It is not helpful for the issue of due process to become a political football, especially with the level of polarization we presently have.

The last thing we need is for paranoids on both extremes of the spectrum to have their ravings about US assassinations and lawless behavior supported in part by real due process/civil liberties concerns.

234 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:31:24pm

re: #233 EPR-radar

Agreed. I think it would be best to get the judiciary involved somehow, despite the difficulties of trial in absentia. It is not helpful for the issue of due process to become a political football, especially with the level of polarization we presently have.

The last thing we need is for paranoids on both extremes of the spectrum to have their ravings about US assassinations and lawless behavior supported in part by real due process/civil liberties concerns.

We should look at a modernized version of the now-unfashionable “Outlawry”. Fugitives were given the opportunity to surrender for defense, before being formally deprived of the protection of the law. It survived in parts of the US into the 19th cent.

235 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:33:55pm

re: #234 Decatur Deb

We should look at a modernized version of the now-unfashionable “Outlawry”. Fugitives were given the opportunity to surrender for defense, before being formally deprived of the protection of the law. It survived in parts of the US into the 19th cent.

That’s an interesting point. The legal history of piracy is also a possible source of inspiration —- many of the issues there were similar, such as pirates being surreptitiously backed by nation-states, being able to disguise themselves as honest shipping, etc.

236 Decatur Deb  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:35:18pm

re: #235 EPR-radar

No fun being a pirate if you don’t drink rum.

237 EPR-radar  Tue, Feb 5, 2013 8:36:25pm

re: #236 Decatur Deb

No fun being a pirate if you don’t drink rum.

“Avast ye scurvy dogs, the Bank of America is about to go belly up” remains one of my favorite Bloom County lines.


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