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1 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:24:11pm

Goodnight, All.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 8:26:48pm

It’s the damndest thing thinking about it. When you’re a kid. Your dreams are glamorous. I can be a fireman, astronaut, etc. One of the kids on the basketball team I’m coaching told me in no certain terms he wanted to be a basketball player, then a football player, then a cop, and then he’d retire a playboy. Gotta admit sometimes I miss that childhood idealism as I try to find the right job.

3 chadu  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:01:50pm

Lovely!

G’nite, bro-hams and sis-hams, and everyone in between!

…Oh, wait, I had one more idea. Okay, I’ll page sometings and go away.

Laters!

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:05:46pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

It’s the damndest thing thinking about it. When you’re a kid. Your dreams are glamorous. I can be a fireman, astronaut, etc. One of the kids on the basketball team I’m coaching told me in no certain terms he wanted to be a basketball player, then a football player, then a cop, and then he’d retire a playboy. Gotta admit sometimes I miss that childhood idealism as I try to find the right job.

My 9 year old wants to be a tank commander.

5 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:08:07pm

re: #4 Kragar

My 9 year old wants to be a tank commander.

I want to be a 9 year old.

Oh, wait. Been there, done that, the t-shirt no longer fits.

6 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:09:53pm
7 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:11:27pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

It’s the damndest thing thinking about it. When you’re a kid. Your dreams are glamorous. I can be a fireman, astronaut, etc. One of the kids on the basketball team I’m coaching told me in no certain terms he wanted to be a basketball player, then a football player, then a cop, and then he’d retire a playboy. Gotta admit sometimes I miss that childhood idealism as I try to find the right job.

LOL, I know. Now, my dream is a lounge chair and Lake Superior.

8 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:27:10pm

Dick Morris: Obama won because of Hurricane Sandy

The conservative pundit had repeatedly claimed that Romney was going to achieve an overwhelming victory over Obama. Morris confidently predicted that Romney would win by 325 electoral votes. On election day, however, Romney lost with only 206 electoral votes.

Morgan noted that Obama “cleaned Romney’s clock” and doubted Hurricane Sandy was completely responsible.

“Well, I prefer to believe that CNN’s polling was accurate, wouldn’t you?” Morris shot back.

Morgan responded that polls should be taken with “a grain of salt.” He noted that Nate Silver of the New York Times, who analyzed the polls, corrected predicted the outcome of the election.

Morris, changing the subject, said Obama won because of a “fundamental demographic shift” in the United States.

9 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:30:39pm

Have a good one all!

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:36:19pm

re: #8 Kragar

Dick Morris: Obama won because of Hurricane Sandy

Man really has no choice, he dug a hole so deep in his EV prediction that he has to keep trying to sell the lie.

11 Gus  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:37:39pm

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

12 stabby  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:42:25pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I think he’d do better by showing better judgement.

Saying “I was wrong” shows better judgement than pretending that he wasn’t a bullshit artist. It’s time for him realize that he has to take the lumps and start over way down the food chain.

Using his last bit of fame to advertize that he has better judgement than this would have been a better choice.

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:43:55pm

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

“You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.”

I was sure I missed 2, did better than I thought.

I must be one of those low information voters.

14 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:44:44pm

re: #13 Kragar

“You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.”

I was sure I missed 2, did better than I thought.

I must be one of those low information voters.

Another low-information voter here. We should really be ashamed of ourselves.

//

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:48:02pm

re: #12 stabby

I think he’d do better by showing better judgement.

Saying “I was wrong” shows better judgement than pretending that he wasn’t a bullshit artist. It’s time for him realize that he has to take the lumps and start over way down the food chain.

Using his last bit of fame to advertize that he has better judgement than this would have been a better choice.

Thing about it is that Morris broke the cardinal rule, he got high on his own supply. By the time Election Night had rolled around, he’d gotten himself so convinced that a Romney landslide was assured that he would not entertain the idea that he could be wrong. He still refuses to acknowledge that he was ever wrong. If he stands up tomorrow and says he was wrong about predicting a Romney landslide, he’ll be admitting that he’s not a very good bullshit artist.

16 stabby  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:50:10pm

I got all of them except the flag.

I wasn’t sure between 2 and picked Japan’s flag instead. :

17 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:51:19pm

re: #7 FemNaziBitch

LOL, I know. Now, my dream is a lounge chair and Lake Superior.

they would make a cute couple but their kids wouldn’t be able to decide whether they wanted to fold up or flow to the atlantic

18 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:51:30pm

I got all 13, though I admit only because the first things that came to mind weren’t an option on some of them. Had to pick Chris Christie because “Jabba the Hutt” wasn’t an option.

19 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:54:33pm

I got the demographic questions wrong.

20 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 9:59:46pm

I got a rock.

21 stabby  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:02:47pm

re: #20 BongCrodny

I got a rock.

Press the white on white button on the little shade in the middle of the screen:

[Link: badgods.com…]

22 stabby  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:04:01pm

You may want to turn down the volume a little first.

23 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:04:28pm

Rifftrax: Turning one of the most poignant death scenes in scifi history into a chucklefest.

“The Force runs strong in your family.”
“‘As does fear of sand.’”

24 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:14:18pm

re: #23 Targetpractice

Rifftrax: Turning one of the most poignant death scenes in scifi history into a chucklefest.

“The Force runs strong in your family.”
“‘As does fear of sand.’”

Watching the KTMO episodes this week.

25 klys  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:16:49pm

Failed at the photo of Elizabeth Warren, since most of my news consumption comes from reading news online. I’m originally an NJ girl, so Christie wasn’t hard, and I’ve had 4 years to see a photo for Holder and 8 years for Kerry, so.

26 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:19:31pm

11/13, which can’t be too bad for a goddam foreigner. Pretty sure I got Elizabeth Warren wrong, and Holder’s job title. (Oddly enough, I guessed it was him. Should have been able to remember what he did.)

27 stabby  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 10:21:35pm

[Link: badgods.com…]

28 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 11:04:39pm

Tonight’s 40k trivia

Cadian Shock Troop

The Cadian Shock Troops, also sometimes called Cadian Shock Troopers, are the highly disciplined Imperial Guard soldiers conscripted in large numbers from the Fortress World of Cadia, which stands sentinel as the preeminent bastion of the Imperium of Man in the fight against the Emperor’s ancient Archenemy, Chaos. Cadia is one world amongst many thousands in the Imperium of Man, and has an honoured and violent place in its history, for Cadia stands upon the edge of the Eye of Terror within the Segmentum Obscurus, within a narrow corridor of navigable space known as the Cadian Gate. As a result, for 10,000 standard years Cadia has endured the constant assaults of the Forces of Chaos from within the Eye and has remained unbowed and unconquered. This history of unending threat from the Archenemy has bred a world of warriors who are known to possess unsurpassed discipline and skill, and whose Imperial Guard regiments stand as examples to the rest of the Guard and Mankind.

The entire population of Cadia is destined for a military life and the birth rate and the recruitment rate are essentially synonymous. Possessing a well-deserved reputation for being excellent shots, Cadian Shock Troopers are known for being highly disciplined and well-organised Imperial Guard soldiers. Cadian children are taught from a very young age how to field-strip, reassemble and shoot a Lasgun before they can even read or write. Cadians are also known for the manufacture of excellent military equipment for their regiments which are equipped with only the finest weapons. Cadian regiments traditionally march to war in uniforms with camouflage patterns in a manner most suited to the mixed terrain of the Cadian wilderness, though they will also don specialised gear for different environments, including frigid environment survival suits, desert environment survival suits, and even more advanced gear for combat operations in vacuum or toxic zones. The Cadian Shock Troop regiments have a special and honoured place in the history of Mankind as they stand upon the edge of the Eye of Terror, serving as the Imperium’s first line of defence against the encroachment of the forces of the Ruinous Powers.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 6, 2013 11:19:02pm

I got 13 out of thirteen although I had to guess at a couple of them.

Internet is my main source of news, almost neveer watch TV news and rarely read a newspaper or news magazine any more.

30 freetoken  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:16:27am

Ramsey Lewis trio:

31 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:17:43am

[Link: badgods.com…]

NSFW

32 freetoken  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:40:51am

re: #31 stabby

Speaking of mis-understandings and confusion about statistics, after reading many posts on ancestry and genetics forums it is so obvious that many, many Americans don’t really grasp either statistics or probability.

It’s not just Americans of course - all people are like this.

The modern world with its modern ideas - genetics being an excellent example - requires something of us who live in the modern world. Yet many don’t want to spend the time and struggle (and quantitative learning often involves struggle) with the hill to climb to reach the point where “understanding” is achieved, at least to an extent where one can start to make valuable judgements that can add to knowledge, either one’s own or for someone else.

This is one reason why I’m rather pessimistic these days - we just aren’t able as animals to learn enough and learn fast enough to keep up with the boundaries we are pushing. If we’re going to progress I suspect we’re going to have to re-engineer our genome to give us a longer life, better memories, and increased abstract thinking capabilities.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:03:30am

re: #32 freetoken

We are pretty hard-wired to live in small groups, anything outside that circkle of known faces requires a lot of work to overcome our instinctive reactions and employ abstract thought.

34 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:07:54am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

me too!

What do we win?

35 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:13:35am

re: #32 freetoken

Speaking of mis-understandings and confusion about statistics, after reading many posts on ancestry and genetics forums it is so obvious that many, many Americans don’t really grasp either statistics or probability.

It’s not just Americans of course - all people are like this.

The modern world with its modern ideas - genetics being an excellent example - requires something of us who live in the modern world. Yet many don’t want to spend the time and struggle (1) and quantitative learning often involves struggle) with the hill to climb to reach the point where “understanding” is achieved, at least to an extent where one can start to make valuable judgements that can add to knowledge, either one’s own or for someone else.

This is one reason why I’m rather pessimistic these days - we just aren’t able as animals to learn enough and learn fast enough to keep up with the boundaries we are pushing. 2) If we’re going to progress I suspect we’re going to have to re-engineer our genome to give us a longer life, better memories, and increased abstract thinking capabilities.

1-so dies qualitative learning :)
2-yes, I talked about this with my doctor. He said we just have to carve an area out of it all and do what we can with it—while keeping a general and current finger on the rest of things.

Which is all well and good. I think I can do that and remain functional in the years left to me. What I think will be interesting is how we are going to do this and remain a democratic society. It seems will will have to fragment somehow to trust those who can do math to do math and those who can think globally to do so, and so on.

I don’t see that happening while not treading on individual civil rights. The allure of power and wealth is too great and as we discussed previously, we are flawed beings (although not necessarily born sinful ;)

I fear more and more religious enclaves like we saw with the LDS in Texas. People who wall themselves from the world.

36 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:15:51am

So, I hope you don’t mind that I share these little tidbits I hear on my audio books. Sometimes, they are so good, I don’t want to forget them.

considering the book was published in 1903 and the time period described is the earlier part of the 19th century … .and describes a part of England of the time. . . I’m not feeling hopeful.

37 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:16:37am

night all

38 freetoken  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 2:13:50am

Working hard to live outside my own circle of well-known faces - here’s a composer with whom I was not familiar - Otto Emanuel Olsson’s “Requiem in G moll”:

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 2:29:49am

re: #38 freetoken

I only know his cousin Olli Olsson and his polka band…

40 freetoken  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:11:00am

re: #39 Sol Berdinowitz

You must mean “Leon”:

41 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:11:15am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

Took it. Got all correct.

Your score is better than 92% of responders.

KNEEL BEFORE ZOD!

42 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:22:24am

re: #39 Sol Berdinowitz

I only know his cousin Olli Olsson and his polka band…

Olli is a bit more edgy and underground, his tuba plyer uses a wah-wah pedal.

They are rarely heard in clubs outside of the Greater Minneapolis-St-Paul Mosquito-Control Area…

43 Dire Straits  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:48:23am

re: #29 Sol Berdinowitz

11 out of 13 here.

44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 3:57:08am

re: #43 Dire Straits

What’d you miss?

I find the facial recognition parts mildly idiotic. It’s not like we’re going to have to meet these people at the airport.

45 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:06:58am

re: #44 Obdicut

What’d you miss?

I find the facial recognition parts mildly idiotic. It’s not like we’re going to have to meet these people at the airport.

Yeah, it’s pretty silly.

46 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:18:16am

13 out of 13, but the map with the gold states stumped me. I guessed they were all Obama states, which turned out to be correct.

47 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:37:41am

re: #4 Kragar

My 9 year old wants to be a tank commander.

Take her to Knox and show her the fun part:

Image: tank-recovery.jpg

48 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:42:02am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

Yep. Same here.

49 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:49:32am
50 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 4:58:31am

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Take her to Knox and show her the fun part:

Image: tank-recovery.jpg

Way to get a tank stuck, chief!

51 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:00:28am
52 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:01:49am
53 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:03:03am

Another TGDN meme of Bad Craziness is the Piers Morgan Derangement. I mean WTF? Just because he is from the UK? It’s right up there along with the Birther derangement, the Benghazi derangement, and the POTUS derangement.

54 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:07:26am

re: #53 Vicious Babushka

Another TGDN meme of Bad Craziness is the Piers Morgan Derangement. I mean WTF? Just because he is from the UK? It’s right up there along with the Birther derangement, the Benghazi derangement, and the POTUS derangement.

Piers Morgan Derangement comes down to one thing:

“DIRTY REDCOAT ATTACKING MAH GUNZ”

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:08:01am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

Good morning. Talk about a basic knowledge test. Yes 13 of 13 but gah, that should be what 92% get not the reverse.

56 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:10:52am

Chevy Paranoia runs deep:

57 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:13:21am

re: #54 Lidane

Piers Morgan Derangement comes down to one thing:

“DIRTY REDCOAT ATTACKING MAH GUNZ”

The whole WE KICKED UR ASS 200 YRS AGO is really lame. The US did not defeat the British Empire, the British Empire chose to withdraw.

Look what happened 87 years later. The US chose not to withdraw, but to pound the rebels into squashed submission.

58 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:16:45am

re: #56 Lidane

Chevy Paranoia runs deep:

It’s funny how wingnuts reject the President’s Birth Certificate as FAKE, claim Benghazi and Chris Kyle’s murder are “cover ups” but yet accept without question the “Founding fathers Quotes” and “Gun Violence Election Maps” they see on Teh Interwebz.

59 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:21:31am

GAH. Another white racist shows up. They found a home where they can feel warm and welcome.

60 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:22:04am

re: #47 Decatur Deb

Take her to Knox and show her the fun part:

Image: tank-recovery.jpg

Looks like fun! My favorite one was the time the tank was going down the autobahn and a link in the right hand track broke unrolling behind them, then the roadwheels dug into the road, spinning the tank sideways to the road and throwing the left hand track to the inside while totally blocking traffic. Ever managed to block both lanes of the Autobahn during morning commute? They had to drag the tank out of the road, as well as it’s busted track, to a place where the road side was wide enough to repair both tracks and do it while lots of German commuters are whizzing by at full speed and angry with even the slightest delay. Oh and this was during Reforger too.

61 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:27:20am

re: #60 William Barnett-Lewis

Looks like fun! My favorite one was the time the tank was going down the autobahn and a link in the right hand track broke unrolling behind them, then the roadwheels dug into the road, spinning the tank sideways to the road and throwing the left hand track to the inside while totally blocking traffic. Ever managed to block both lanes of the Autobahn during morning commute? They had to drag the tank out of the road, as well as it’s busted track, to a place where the road side was wide enough to repair both tracks and do it while lots of German commuters are whizzing by at full speed and angry with even the slightest delay. Oh and this was during Reforger too.

Used to the a famous photo of a Bradley that toppled inverted off an embankment, followed by the next, that landed directly on top of it. We had an 11x14 framed in our office, titled “Two Bradleys Mating in a Ditch”. Cant find it on the Intertubes.

62 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:29:22am

Well, no. The government our Founders created still had slavery. There are clauses in original text of the Constitution about the extradition of escaped slaves. It took a war to fix that.

The government our Founders created didn’t allow women or minorities the vote. It didn’t allow for the direct election of Senators, or presidential term limits, or set clearly defined rules about Presidential succession. We had to fix those things over time.

Funny how that works.

63 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:30:31am

re: #62 Lidane

Well, no. The government our Founders created still had slavery. There are clauses in original text of the Constitution about the extradition of escaped slaves. It took a war to fix that.

The government our Founders created didn’t allow women or minorities the vote. It didn’t allow for the direct election of Senators, or presidential term limits, or set clearly defined rules about Presidential succession. We had to fix those things over time.

Funny how that works.

And it had no standing army. That would have worked well in 1941.

64 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:31:15am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

And it had no standing Army. That would have worked well in 1941.

No Air Force either. That would have been a bit of a problem in trying to fight a World War.

65 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:32:23am

This asshole feels REAL WELCOME over at TGDN.

66 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:36:06am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

I knew 10 of them outright. Guessed wrong on the 50-50 of 2 of the other three. :p

67 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:41:38am

re: #64 Lidane

No Air Force either. That would have been a bit of a problem in trying to fight a World War.

They’d handle that by just making it part of the Army.
;)

68 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:42:13am

Cognitive dissonance: blame Obama for unemployment, and then blame unemployed people for being lazy and taking food stamps.

69 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:51:37am
70 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:57:07am
71 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:58:23am

Greets and saluts from the soon to be socked with snow NYC metro area. Folks to the north and east are gonna get hammered with blizzard conditions as the storm tracks firm up and it looks like New England will be in for one of the heaviest snows seen in the last couple of years. Around these parts, the concern is coastal flooding and further erosion along areas badly affected by Sandy and the nor’easter that followed.

For most of the NYC metro area, it looks like 6-10 inches is expected. Much higher amounts expected into Connecticut and Massachusetts.

It’s winter, so these storms are expected. What’s not expected is the fact that we’ve had below normal precipitation and the only thing keeping water levels anywhere approaching normal are severe weather events - getting a whole bunch of rain or snow in short bursts. That’s not exactly normal.

As if that wasn’t enough, but January ended with the third highest tornado tally since 1950 as a result of the January 29-30 outbreak across the southeast. The three highest tallies have all been since 1999 (1999, 2008, and 2013).

72 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:00:44am
The Sony World Photography Awards, an annual competition hosted by the World Photography Organisation, has recently announced its shortlist of winners. This year’s contest attracted more than 122,000 entries from 170 countries. The photographs are being judged in six different competition categories, including Professional, Open, and Student Focus. The organizers have been kind enough to share some of their shortlisted images with In Focus, gathered below. Winners are scheduled to be announced in March and April. [40 photos]

Image: s_w04_johnmatz.jpg

Image: s_w35_danielet.jpg

73 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:01:46am

Heh:

74 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:15:04am

Morning all….coffee is on

That’s a @flatblackcoffee Ethiopian in the aeropress

75 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:15:35am

re: #11 Gus

The News IQ Quiz
Do you know more about the news than the average American?

I got all 13 right. Funny considering my “reading comprehension” deficit. //

Same here.

You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.

Wasn’t much of a quiz/poll

76 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:17:03am

re: #75 Bubblehead II

Same here.

You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.

Wasn’t much of a quiz/poll

I think the average Lizard is better educated and aware of foreign and domestic politics and information than the average bear.

77 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:18:03am

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

I think the average Lizard is better educated and aware of foreign and domestic politics and information than the average bear.

I think the average bear is better educated and aware of foreign and domestic politics and information than the average wingnut.

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:20:33am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

I think the average bear is better educated and aware of foreign and domestic politics and information than the average wingnut.

It’s those classes in pic-a-nic basket identification and ranger evasion.

79 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:22:11am

re: #34 FemNaziBitch

me too!

What do we win?

Acknowledgement that we are all a bunch of News Junkies?

80 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:22:50am

re: #75 Bubblehead II

Same here.

You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.

Wasn’t much of a quiz/poll

13/13 here, too. It was way too easy.

81 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:23:24am

re: #79 Bubblehead II

Acknowledgement that we are all a bunch of News Junkies?

It’s all pretty basic information.

82 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:23:25am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

I think the average bear is better educated and aware of foreign and domestic politics and information than the average wingnut.

That’s what makes bears such effective soulless, godless killing machines.

/Colbert

83 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:24:05am

re: #82 Lidane

That’s what makes bears such effective soulless, godless killing machines.

/Colbert

I thought Bryan Fischer said that?

84 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:24:22am

re: #76 Feline Fearless Leader

Then again, consider that the quiz results are based on those who self-selected to take the quiz.

These are people who thought they could take the quiz and be successful, or wanted to see just how much they knew.

And for the record - 13 of 13 (though I did take a millisecond to figure out who was Elizabeth Warren).

85 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:28:27am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I thought Bryan Fischer said that?

86 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:29:00am

re: #85 Lidane

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Should have included teh sarc slashes//

87 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:38:51am

re: #75 Bubblehead II

Same here.

You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.

Wasn’t much of a quiz/poll

Me too…but they made me look at pictures of Boehner and Christie. I see they’ve given up on polls that require actual words.

88 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:40:42am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

I thought Bryan Fischer said that?

Put Bryan Fischer in a room with a bear and you can guess who will be converted first.

89 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:42:19am

re: #88 darthstar

Put Bryan Fischer in a room with a bear and you can guess who will be converted first.

Never mind…you’re talking about Colbert bears…not a good idea to lump those into talk of Fischer.

90 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:44:32am

re: #88 darthstar

Put Bryan Fischer in a room with a bear and you can guess who will be converted first.

Bryan Fischer was in a room alone with a bear, and the bear dropped to its knees, put its hands together and began to pray.

Bryan thought “My very presence in this room has caused the bear to accept Jesus!”

The bear finished its prayer, “For this food which we are about to eat, we thank you O Lord, amen.”

91 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:46:51am

So now the twitter pornbots that follow me for 24 hours before getting booted all want to give me a diploma. Can’t tell if this one is a person or a Japanese anime character.

WTF?

92 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:50:58am

Good morning lizards!

93 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:52:23am

Great, two of the stupidest egos on the planet are teaming up again…this time to use the Sandy Hook tragedy as a PR stunt for their own reality TV show.

“Instructors from the Sheriff’s Office SWAT division as well as certified instructor/actor/posse volunteer Steven Seagal will lead the all-day training exercises on various aspects on shooting scene management including room entry tactics and hand to hand tactics.”

94 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:53:19am

The guilty plea by FRC/Chik-fil-A terrorist Floyd Corkins (may he rot) will have the wingnuts stirred up today. Something has them stirred up every day though, so it will probably be nothing special.

95 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:57:38am

re: #94 Shiplord Kirel

The guilty plea by FRC/Chik-fil-A terrorist Floyd Corkins (may he rot) will have the wingnuts stirred up today. Something has them stirred up every day though, so it will probably be nothing special.

Bryan is blaming SPLC for the shooting.

96 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 6:59:02am

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com…]

Now there’s a fun little sect.

97 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:00:44am

Another white racist shows up

98 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:01:05am

Oh, brother.

The Latest Lunacy: Virginia Considering Its Own Currency

If at first you can’t secede, you can at least create your own currency.

In the latest lunacy among states which are losing faith in the union—or at least, the leadership of the union—Virginia is considering having its own metallic currency. The Virginia House of Delegates has passed a bill calling for a study (which would cost Virginia taxpayers more than $17,000) to assess the value of a state-issued coin. Several other states are considering similar plans. The idea is that Americans can’t trust the Fed to operate monetary policy, and that the vaunted U.S. dollar might one day become worthless.

I need to move out of this state.

99 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:02:57am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, brother.

The Latest Lunacy: Virginia Considering Its Own Currency

I need to move out of this state.

Yep, Bob Marshall.
He’s a nutter.

100 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:04:24am

re: #74 geoffm33

I love our aeropress. It’s satisfying.

We just got some Blue Bottle coffee so we’re living the high life.

101 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:04:55am

re: #93 darthstar

Great, two of the stupidest egos on the planet are teaming up again…this time to use the Sandy Hook tragedy as a PR stunt for their own reality TV show.

They would be better off with Leo Johnson, the building manager and security guard at FRC headquarters in DC. Mr. Johnson managed to disarm and subdue nutcase Floyd Corkins even after Corkins had shot him. Johnson was not armed, though, so the kooks probably wouldn’t want him around.
Odd numbers in this case: Corkins had a pistol with 15 rounds, two spare mags with 15 rounds each, and 15 Chik-fil-A sandwiches. Maybe he will get 15 years (max is 20).

102 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:08:23am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, brother.

The Latest Lunacy: Virginia Considering Its Own Currency

I need to move out of this state.

It’s funny, but I’m pretty sure I remember something in the Constitution about the federal government being the one with the power to coin and issue currency in this nation. Odd that.

103 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:08:53am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

As if the Virginia currency will be accepted or acceptable anywhere other than in Virginia? Do they even have the capability to mint the coins in state? Or will they have to outsource to someone else? And how about transaction fees, and currency exchange rates? How will those work?

As if anyone will accept this tripe?

What a waste of time and effort, but it’s nice to see that the VA legislators behind the move are keeping their eye on the ball - jobs. /

104 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:10:17am

re: #102 Targetpractice

It’s funny, but I’m pretty sure I remember something in the Constitution about the federal government being the one with the power to coin and issue currency in this nation. Odd that.

It was not until the 1860’s that feds standardized all currency. Before that, any bank could issue its own scrip.

105 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:10:33am

New Facebook app…what could possible go wrong?

Facebook developing app that will track your every move – even when it’s turned off

Facebook is developing a new smartphone app to track the location of users in an effort to target them with localised adverts, according to reports.

The app will help users to find friends who are nearby, alert them when it detects one in close proximity even when the app is not open on the handset, it is claimed.

It will be just one of a whole suite of mobile apps Facebook is building up to help it profit from the increasing proportion of its users who access the social network on the go.

But privacy campaigners warned it was another example of ‘profit trumping privacy’ and called the function ‘intrusive’.

106 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:12:10am

re: #100 Obdicut

I love our aeropress. It’s satisfying.

We just got some Blue Bottle coffee so we’re living the high life.

I laughed when I saw how many paper filters came with it. “I’ll never use that many!”. They are almost gone. I use it 3-4 times a day!

107 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:12:56am

re: #106 geoffm33

I laughed when I saw how many paper filters came with it. “I’ll never use that many!”. They are almost gone. I use it 3-4 times a day!

We got the little metal filters, and I like ‘em. P.s. you can reuses the paper ones, just wash em off a little they can take it. Not for purists, obviously.

108 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:13:12am

re: #102 Targetpractice

Article 1, Section 8, clauses 1, 3, and 5 in particular:

SECTION 8.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

To borrow money on the credit of the United States;

To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;

To establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and uniform laws on the subject of bankruptcies throughout the United States;

To coin money, regulate the value thereof, and of foreign coin, and fix the standard of weights and measures;

109 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:14:29am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

It was not until the 1860’s that feds standardized all currency. Before that, any bank could issue its own scrip.

History of the United States dollar

The history of the United States dollar covers more than 200 years.

Early History The history of the dollar in North America pre-dates American independence.[1] It began with the issuance of early American currency called the colonial scrip. Even before the Declaration of Independence, the Continental Congress had authorized the issuance of dollar denominated coins and currency, since the term ‘dollar’ was in common usage referring to Spanish colonial eight-real coin or Spanish dollar. Though several monetary systems were proposed for the early republic, the dollar was approved by Congress in a largely symbolic resolution on August 8, 1785. After passage of the Constitution was secured, the government turned its attention to monetary issues again in the early 1790s under the leadership of Alexander Hamilton, the secretary of the treasury at the time. Congress acted on Hamilton’s recommendations in the Coinage Act of 1792, which established the dollar as the basic unit of account for the United States. The word dollar is derived from Low Saxon cognate of the High German Thaler, an abbreviation of Joachimsthaler – (coin) from Joachimsthal (St. Joachim’s Valley, now Jáchymov, Bohemia, then part of the Holy Roman Empire, now part of the Czech Republic; for further history of the name, see dollar.) – so called because it was minted from 1519 onwards using silver extracted from a mine which had opened in 1516 near Joachimstal, a town in the Ore Mountains of northwestern Bohemia.

Because gold and silver in the open marketplace vary independently, the production of coins of full intrinsic worth under any ratio will nearly always result in the melting of either all silver coins or all gold coins. In the early 19th century, gold rose in relation to silver, resulting in the removal from commerce of nearly all gold coins, and their subsequent melting. Therefore, in 1834, the 15:1 ratio of silver to gold was changed to a 16:1 ratio by reducing the weight of the nation’s gold coinage. This created a new U.S. dollar that was backed by 1.50 g (23.22 grains) of gold. However, the previous dollar had been represented by 1.60 g (24.75 grains) of gold. The result of this revaluation, which was the first devaluation of the U.S. dollar, was that the value in gold of the dollar was reduced by 6%. Moreover, for a time, both gold and silver coins were useful in commerce.

In 1853, the weights of U.S. silver coins (except, interestingly, the dollar itself, which was rarely used) were reduced. This had the effect of placing the nation effectively (although not officially) on the gold standard. The retained weight in the dollar coin was a nod to bimetallism, although it had the effect of further driving the silver dollar coin from commerce. Foreign coins, including the Spanish dollar, were also widely used[2] as legal tender until 1857.

With the enactment of the National Banking Act of 1863, during the American Civil War and its later versions that taxed states’ bonds and currency out of existence, the dollar became the sole currency of the United States and remains so today.

110 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:14:37am

re: #108 lawhawk

Article 1, Section 8, clauses 1, 3, and 5 in particular:

It only applies to minting coins. Currency was not standardized until the 1860’s.

111 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:20:43am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, brother.

The Latest Lunacy: Virginia Considering Its Own Currency

I need to move out of this state.

They already have a currency…it’s called coal.

112 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:21:14am

Early American currency

Early American currency went through several stages of development in the colonial and post-Revolutionary history of the United States. Because few coins were minted in the thirteen colonies that became the United States in 1776, foreign coins like the Spanish dollar were widely circulated. Colonial governments sometimes issued paper money to facilitate economic activity. The British Parliament passed Currency Acts in 1751, 1764, and 1773 that regulated colonial paper money.

During the American Revolution, the colonies became independent states; freed from British monetary regulations, they issued paper money to pay for military expenses. The Continental Congress also issued paper money during the Revolution, known as Continental currency, to fund the war effort. Both state and Continental currency depreciated rapidly, becoming practically worthless by the end of the war.

To address these and other problems, the United States Constitution, ratified in 1788, denied individual states the right to coin and print money. The First Bank of the United States, chartered in 1791, and the Coinage Act of 1792, began the era of a national American currency.

Interesting history about our money. I feel a little smarter this morning.

113 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:21:25am

re: #107 Obdicut

We got the little metal filters, and I like ‘em. P.s. you can reuses the paper ones, just wash em off a little they can take it. Not for purists, obviously.

As my stock gets lower, I’m sure i’ll reuse them. I have the S Filter (when it was a kickstarter project) but stopped using it for some reason. I’ll dust it off and give it another shot.

114 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:22:13am

re: #111 darthstar

They already have a currency…it’s called coal.

I can’t walk into a store and buy anything with a bag of coal.

115 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:22:50am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

I can’t walking into a store and buy anything with a bag of coal.

Isn’t that what Santa left in your Christmas stocking?

116 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:25:05am

re: #115 Vicious Babushka

Isn’t that what Santa left in your Christmas stocking?

No, I got an iPhone 5!

117 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:25:19am

I’m finding Nemo to be a little annoying even before he gets here…and since when did we start naming winter storms?

[Link: www.weather.com…]

Send that shit to the west coast. We can handle it.

118 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:27:26am

re: #62 Lidane

Well, no. The government our Founders created still had slavery. There are clauses in original text of the Constitution about the extradition of escaped slaves. It took a war to fix that.

The government our Founders created didn’t allow women or minorities the vote. It didn’t allow for the direct election of Senators, or presidential term limits, or set clearly defined rules about Presidential succession. We had to fix those things over time.

Funny how that works.

Borrowed/stole one of your lines. Hope you don’t mind. I may remind him of women’s suffrage in a later tweet.

EDIT: On top of that, this guy says he teaches elementary school kids. One can only imagine what his reaction to Sandy Hook was (“We need to arm the teachers AND the children!”)

119 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:31:08am

re: #117 darthstar

I’m finding Nemo to be a little annoying even before he gets here…and since when did we start naming winter storms?

[Link: www.weather.com…]

Send that shit to the west coast. We can handle it.

We’ll get through it. I’ll be honest and say I’m really not looking forward to it, though.

120 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:31:08am

re: #118 Mattand

Borrowed/stole one of your lines. Hope you don’t mind. I may remind him of women’s suffrage in a later tweet.

Noble act, but it’ll fall on deaf ears.

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:32:25am

re: #118 Mattand

Borrowed/stole one of your lines. Hope you don’t mind. I may remind him of women’s suffrage in a later tweet.

EDIT: On top of that, this guy says he teaches elementary school kids. One can only imagine what his reaction to Sandy Hook was (“We need to arm the teachers AND the children!”)

If he’s an actual elementary school teacher I doubt he wants the children armed.

122 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:34:12am

Another politician going to spend time in a cell for corruption…

Report: Jackson Jr. Plea Deal Includes ‘Significant Jail Time’

A plea deal now on the table between former Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. (D-IL) and federal authorities includes “significant jail time,” a source told The Chicago Sun-Times on Wednesday.

“Significant jail time is now definitely a part of the deal,” the source said.

…Previous reports have suggested several times that a plea deal between Jackson and investigators was in the works. The latest news came a day after a Sun-Times report said the Jackson investigation had spawned a separate investigation into the finances of his wife, former Chicago Ald. Sandi Jackson.

A second source told the Sun-Times on Wednesday that “I think [Jackson’s wife] Sandi, feels like she was thrown under the bus by her husband.”

This might throws a wrench into their marriage.

123 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:34:34am

re: #118 Mattand

Let’s hold a seance and find out.

They’d probably be pretty happy with how the country’s turned out. Happy that we’re still going strong. Unhappy that we needed a civil war to get rid of slavery and adhere to the principle that all men are created equal bit.

Since so many of the founders were Federalists, they’d be okay with a strong central government.

They’d be amazed at the military prowess of the country, and the vast industrial capacity that came into existence as well as the technological sophistication now in place.

Seeing how the nation was a social experiment in a new form of governance, I’d say that they’d be happy that we’re still around more than 230 years later.

124 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:34:38am

Seen on Facebook:

Behold: The Power Of Reality.

125 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:35:21am

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

If he’s an actual elementary school teacher I doubt he wants the children armed.

I remember a little ditty we used to sing as kids:

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the burning of the school
We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule
(it gets worse, you can Google it)

A kid would get expelled for singing it today.

126 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:35:41am

re: #117 darthstar

I’m not one for the winter storm names either, but the NWS isn’t doing that. It’s a Weather Channel thing.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:37:58am

re: #126 lawhawk

I’m not one for the winter storm names either, but the NWS isn’t doing that. It’s a Weather Channel thing.

Dumb. What’s next, naming tornadoes?

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:38:50am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

I remember a little ditty we used to sing as kids:

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the burning of the school
We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule
(it gets worse, you can Google it)

A kid would get expelled for singing it today.

Familiar with it.

There was an old western comedy with Dean Martin in it on last night. (Encore Westerns channel or something like that.)

The Comanches attack and at one point their flaming arrows set the schoolhouse on fire. The children run out of the schoolhouse - but are celebrating that it is burning down.

Film and literature is such an interesting way to see what the mores and attitudes are of the culture at the time the media is written/filmed regardless of the period being presented.

129 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:41:32am

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

If he’s an actual elementary school teacher I doubt he wants the children armed.

Of course not, the children’s job is to make a pile of corpses for the teacher to hide behind while exchanging gunfire with the shooter.

130 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:41:36am

re: #126 lawhawk

I’m not one for the winter storm names either, but the NWS isn’t doing that. It’s a Weather Channel thing.

Meh…I’ll bet they trademark it too so they can charge anyone who tries to sell “I found Nemo annoying” T-shirts.

131 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:42:25am

re: #121 Feline Fearless Leader

If he’s an actual elementary school teacher I doubt he wants the children armed.

I know. I’m being sarcastic.

I’m just kind of fed up with the conservative reaction to Sandy Hook. About the only thing we haven’t seen is demanding the kids have weapons.

132 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:43:35am

re: #131 Mattand

I know. I’m being sarcastic.

I’m just kind of fed up with the conservative reaction to Sandy Hook. About the only thing we haven’t seen is demanding the kids have weapons.

Seen that too. David Barton, I think.

133 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:44:22am

re: #123 lawhawk

Let’s hold a seance and find out.

They’d probably be pretty happy with how the country’s turned out. Happy that we’re still going strong. Unhappy that we needed a civil war to get rid of slavery and adhere to the principle that all men are created equal bit.

Since so many of the founders were Federalists, they’d be okay with a strong central government.

They’d be amazed at the military prowess of the country, and the vast industrial capacity that came into existence as well as the technological sophistication now in place.

Seeing how the nation was a social experiment in a new form of governance, I’d say that they’d be happy that we’re still around more than 230 years later.

I’d hope so. I’d love to know what the reaction would be to an African American President, though. I would imagine more than a few of them would be less than thrilled with the idea.

134 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:44:53am

re: #133 Mattand

I’d hope so. I’d love to know what the reaction would be to an African American President, though. I would imagine more than a few of them would be less than thrilled with the idea.

Thomas Jefferson would want to know if he is a descendant.

135 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:48:16am

re: #132 Vicious Babushka

Seen that too. David Barton, I think.

“Christian Historian” David Barton actually got his “historical example” of armed kids in school stopping a criminal from a Louis L’Amour novel. Fucking idiot.

136 dragonath  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:48:23am

Privatization Of Greek Assets Runs Behind Schedule

In exchange for multibillion-euro bailouts, Greece was required to sell state-owned assets. But the sweeping privatization process is behind schedule. In addition, European governments are nervous that Chinese, Russian and Arab companies are lining up to take advantage of the Greek fire sale.

The list of what’s up for sale is long: banks, utilities, the national lottery, ports, airports, motorways and other infrastructure. But the vast bulk is real estate, including prime beachfront land.

I think Republicans have more of a vested interest in turning America into Greece, no matter what they say.

137 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:50:00am

re: #132 Vicious Babushka

Seen that too. David Barton, I think.

Yep. This came up in a thread yesterday. The incident he quoted of the School kids defending their teacher turns out to have come from a Louis L’Amour book. I think Bendigo Shafter was quoted as the source.

///David Barton, the historians historian

138 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:50:12am

re: #135 darthstar

“Christian Historian” David Barton actually got his “historical example” of armed kids in school stopping a criminal from a Louis L’Amour novel. Fucking idiot.

I don’t remember Huck Finn or Tom Sawyer carrying pistols to school. If it was that commonplace you would think Mark Twain would have mentioned it.

139 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:50:26am
140 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:51:10am

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Oh, brother.

The Latest Lunacy: Virginia Considering Its Own Currency

I need to move out of this state.

This again is the sort of idiotic political grandstanding that has become part and parcel fo the GOP brand.

141 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:51:54am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

It was not until the 1860’s that feds standardized all currency. Before that, any bank could issue its own scrip.

Well, not really.

OK, prior to the 1860s US federal currency was coin. Paper was for notes - promissory notes, basically. And banks could (and do) issue such, notionally backed by their reserves. Note that banks had to be approved if not partially owned by states - a loophole that some states made into through-ways.

But the notes weren’t scrip - at least not nominally.

142 dragonath  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:53:38am

re: #140 Sol Berdinowitz

This again is the sort of idiotic political grandstanding that has become part and parcel fo the GOP brand.

What are these states without any natural resources going to do? Are they going to mint their coins out of coal or something?

143 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:54:28am

re: #142 dragonath

What are these states without any natural resources going to do? Are they going to mint their coins out of coal or something?

Bitcoins!

144 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:54:35am

Chris Christie: ‘Shut Up’ to Doctor Worried About His Weight

Updated: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie took on a former White House doctor Wednesday who said he was at risk of dying in office because of his weight, calling her a “hack” and telling her to “shut up” unless she examines him.

Dr. Connie Mariano, who was President Clinton’s doctor in the White House, went on CNN and said, “I’m worried about this man dying in office” after Christie confronted his own weight issue head-on at a press conference Tuesday.

“I find it fascinating that a doctor in Arizona who has never met me, never examined me, never reviewed my medical history or records, knows nothing about my family history, could make a diagnosis from 2400 miles away,” the traditionally tough-talking governor said. “She must be a genius. She should probably be the surgeon general of the United States, I suspect, because she must be a genius.”

Christie, who has not ruled out a 2016 presidential bid, also said his children watched the CNN segment, and his 12-year-old son asked him, “Dad, are you going to die?”

“This is just another hack who wants five minutes on TV,” Christie said. “And it’s completely irresponsible, completely irresponsible … and people who have a medical license, who have the privilege of having a medical license, should in my view conduct themselves more responsibly than that. If she wants to get on a plane and come here to New Jersey and asks me if she wants to examine me and review my medical history, I’ll have a conversation with her about that. Until that time she should shut up.”

Heh. Good for him.

145 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:58:30am

Mmmm, warm blueberry Danish.

146 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:58:44am

re: #123 lawhawk

Let’s hold a seance and find out.

[snip]

They’d be amazed at the military prowess of the country, and the vast industrial capacity that came into existence as well as the technological sophistication now in place.

[snip]

No, both federalist and anti-federalist would be aghast at the military prowess of the country. That’s the one piece that nobody notices.

Large and powerful standing armies are discussed frequently. The risks and dangers of such are described, and the certainty that those risks and dangers are likely lead every one of the writers to condemn the thought of a large and powerful standing military in the US.

And what’s somewhat frightening is that they were right. Many of the things they dreaded are here.

Thing is, I’m not sure what sort of nation we’d have, if any, if we hadn’t formed that military. The ACW was the last “militia” type army, and even then it was larger than the founders intended. Possibly WWI and certainly WWII would have been quite different had we not been involved.

But they wrote against a large standing military, and many of their fears turn out to be valid.

147 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:58:48am

I just emailed the chinese company I bought my chinese android tablet from to ask for a replacement. Apparently you can’t do that by chat or on the phone.

Hopefully they’ll respond.

I think they’ll do it, I gave them a tutorial on how to root the thing, which is one service they sell (even though they couldn’t figure out how to do mine).

These things are an odd mixture of super advanced technology and cheap shit.

The camera on the back of mine is fake, doesn’t have the resolution it claims and is really poor quality. The battery in it was defective or fake. The thing was so cheap that the charge connector came broken and it has a bad connection internally, sometimes you have to shake it for the screen to work.

But the screen is much higher quality than a laptop screen, can be seen from any angle. It has a great keyboard dock that you can set it on (unusual for a tablet). Like all tablets, it’s great at playing movies…

148 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:59:10am

re: #143 Vicious Babushka

Bitcoins!

Brain-coins in preparation for the zombie apocalypse. And since all states have populations about to trade with.

149 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 7:59:58am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

I remember a little ditty we used to sing as kids:

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the burning of the school
We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule
(it gets worse, you can Google it)

A kid would get expelled for singing it today.

Shouldn’t that be “glory” rather than “horror”?

That’s how we sang it.

Also “great green gobs of greasy, grimy, gopher guts…”

I grew up in Canada by the way.

150 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:00:11am

re: #139 lawhawk

There are reports that there have been two mistaken identity shootings by police at people in similar vehicles to the suspects.

Anyone in SoCal/OC/San Bernardino who drives a Nissan Titan of similar color should just park it. At this point even being spotted on the freeway is going to be a mess. News choppers, cops all over the freeways down there.

151 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:01:27am

re: #148 Feline Fearless Leader

Isn’t that the opposite of stocking up on gold?

Bitcoins won’t work after the apocalypse that wipes out the internet and computer manufacturing.

152 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:02:17am

re: #150 Political Atheist

There are reports that there have been two shootings by police at people in similar vehicles to the suspects.

Anyone in SoCal/OC/San Bernardino who drives a Nissan Titan of similar color should just park it. At this point even being spotted on the freeway is going to be a mess. News choppers, cops all over the freeways down there.

There are probably 8,000 of those in the area you described.

153 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:02:48am
154 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:03:08am

re: #149 stabby

Shouldn’t that be “glory” rather than “horror”?

That’s how we sang it.

Also “great green gobs of greasy, grimy, gopher guts…”

I grew up in Canada by the way.

I think every region had its own variation.

155 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:03:26am

Heh, even though some people say it costs more in electricity to make a bitcoin than the coin is worth (even using advanced GPUs to generate them), I remember one guy who said he makes a profit:
1) he lives in Quebec where electricity is cheap and used to heat homes in the winter
2) so the electricity his gpus use just turn into cheap heat he’d need anyway
3) he said he’s saving about $300 per year on heating by getting it back in bitcoins.

156 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:04:31am

I am so fucking sick of these Godwinning asshats co-opting the Holocaust for themselves and making themselves into the victims.

157 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:05:45am

Of course I suspect that they only things people buy directly with bitcoins (other than dollars) are drugs and child porn :/

158 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:05:56am

re: #146 kirkspencer

No, both federalist and anti-federalist would be aghast at the military prowess of the country. That’s the one piece that nobody notices.

Large and powerful standing armies are discussed frequently. The risks and dangers of such are described, and the certainty that those risks and dangers are likely lead every one of the writers to condemn the thought of a large and powerful standing military in the US.

And what’s somewhat frightening is that they were right. Many of the things they dreaded are here.

Thing is, I’m not sure what sort of nation we’d have, if any, if we hadn’t formed that military. The ACW was the last “militia” type army, and even then it was larger than the founders intended. Possibly WWI and certainly WWII would have been quite different had we not been involved.

But they wrote against a large standing military, and many of their fears turn out to be valid.

Revolutionary France doing mass conscription changed the game somewhat. And most of the Founders were around for that and may have realized that no professional force was not going to cut it in the long run. Though we essentially got by with a minimal professional army until 1900 or so.

(The UK also did so to a degree - a relatively small professional force that was a cadre for home defense and could be a frontier and expeditionary force. And in both cases a fairly large professional navy was in existence since sea power was the key to national security in any case.)

The US Civil War was also a militia war due to the scope of the contest in relation to the previous military needs of the country.

159 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:06:30am

re: #150 Political Atheist

Yeah, it’s a mess. Two were shot by police in Torrance in mistaken identity cases:

…when police came across vehicles similar to the one sought by authorities in a massive manhunt for an ex-LAPD officer suspected of shooting three other officers.

Neither incident actually involved the suspect, said Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase. The suspect, Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, was at large Thursday morning.

The first Torrance incident occurred about 5:20 a.m. in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue in Torrance, Chase said. That incident involved Los Angeles police detectives from the Hollywood division, sources said.

Two people were struck by gunfire and transported to an area hospital with unknown injuries, Chase said. No officers were injured.

The second incident, which involved Torrance police, occurred at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street about 5:45 a.m. No injuries were reported in that incident.

Chase said both incidents involved vehicles matching the description of the one sought in connection with Dorner.

“Now it appears neither of them are directly related,” Chase said. “In both of them, officers believed they were at the time.”

It was not immediately clear if occupants of the vehicles matched Dorner’s description, Chase said.

One really has to wonder what the police were thinking when they opened fire in both of these instances without having a good id on the people in the vehicles. Vehicle stops are the most dangerous part of any cop’s job. I don’t envy them when they’re dealing with an ex-cop who apparently is going and targeting cops in revenge for being fired from the position. It means that they’re going to be on a hair-trigger because the next guy pulled over in a vehicle matching that description might open fire on them first. That’s unbelievably stressful, but it doesn’t mean that the cops can just open fire on anyone in a vehicle matching the description.

160 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:07:03am

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ALL UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE ARE MOOCHERS WHO WOULD RATHER COLLECT WELFARE THAN WORK.

161 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:07:17am

re: #154 Vicious Babushka

I think every region had its own variation.

It was “glory” in New Jersey ~50 years ago. But IIRC we trampled on the teachers and broke the Golden Rule.

162 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:07:45am

re: #144 NJDhockeyfan

Chris Christie: ‘Shut Up’ to Doctor Worried About His Weight

Heh. Good for him.

Good for him? Oh, for God’s sake.

Look, I can understand being sick of being badgered about his weight. But you know what? Lose the goddamn weight.

The woman’s a doctor who worked with a President. And she’s right. More of that unique brand of American “We’ve got to stand up to the experts” stupidity that many of us are so collectively and inexplicably proud of.

163 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:07:50am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ALL UNEMPLOYED PEOPLE ARE MOOCHERS WHO WOULD RATHER COLLECT WELFARE THAN WORK.

“givin speaches”

164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:09:14am

re: #162 Mattand

Good for him? Oh, for God’s sake.

Look, I can understand being sick of being badgered about his weight. But you know what? Lose the goddamn weight.

The woman’s a doctor who worked with a President. And she’s right. More of that unique brand of American “We’ve got to stand up to the experts” stupidity that many of us are so collectively and inexplicably proud of.

Hated the “House” episode where the 500-lb (or whatever it was) man insisted on no evidence whatsoever that whatever was wrong with him had nothing to do with his weight - and he was right.

165 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:09:35am

re: #161 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

It was “glory” in New Jersey ~50 years ago. But IIRC we trampled on the teachers and broke the Golden Rule.

In Detroit, kids sang
Glory glory hallelujah
Teacher hit me with a ruler
I met her at the door with a Colt 44
And she don’t teach no more!

While in Philadelphia:
Glory glory what’s it to ya
Teacher hit me with a ruler
I bopped him on the bean with a rotten tangerine
Just because he was so mean!

166 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:11:50am

The Detroit version is very Detroity.

167 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:12:03am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

A government should never be more heavily armed than the governed. Ask the Jews, circa the 1930s #tcot #tgdn

I think Somalia is the only country where the government isn’t more heavily armed than the populace.

168 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:12:46am

re: #162 Mattand

Good for him? Oh, for God’s sake.

Look, I can understand being sick of being badgered about his weight. But you know what? Lose the goddamn weight.

The woman’s a doctor who worked with a President. And she’s right. More of that unique brand of American “We’ve got to stand up to the experts” stupidity that many of us are so collectively and inexplicably proud of.

Christie’s point about getting diagnosed by a doctor who has only seen video of him is a valid point though. It’s half-assed for the doctor to make statements with only that information. Smacks of the Terri Schiavo case in that regard.

169 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:14:12am

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

I think Somalia is the only country where the government isn’t more heavily armed than the populace.

Speaking of which, I misplaced the keys to my aircraft carrier. Last time this happened, the AAA guy about shit himself when he got here.

170 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:14:30am

re: #164 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Hated the “House” episode where the 500-lb (or whatever it was) man insisted on no evidence whatsoever that whatever was wrong with him had nothing to do with his weight - and he was right.

I’m a little sensitive to the issue, as I’ve got family members who are in the Christie zone. Shit, I need to shed about 40 lbs. myself.

I know how hard it is to lose weight. I don’t want to come off like it’s as easy as eating a salad and drinking water for 10 days.

But despite his protestations, the guy wants to be POTUS. It’s an issue. He’s most likely in danger of having some kind of coronary, given his weight and age.

I also find it a little amusing that so many of the people who are villifying the First Lady for promoting a healthy life style are often pushing for Christie to run for POTUS.

171 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:14:45am

re: #169 darthstar

Speaking of which, I misplaced the keys to my aircraft carrier. Last time this happened, the AAA guy about shit himself when he got here.

My other car is an Apache attack helicopter.

172 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:15:04am

I think I found a way to lose a little weight.

The flu this year is horrible. I had it 2 weeks ago and I still have trouble digesting.

I’ve gone down one belt hole size.

173 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:15:26am

Surface to air missile? WTF?

174 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:15:31am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

I am so fucking sick of these Godwinning asshats co-opting the Holocaust for themselves and making themselves into the victims.

@freelancer91 bio:

Gadget aficionado, computer science major, DIY PC Builder, PC gamer, not very tall, voted for Romney so #notMyFault, #tcot #nightshift
Illinois, where shadow lie….

He voted for the other guy. Not his fault.

And he’s a big fan of Henry Winkler #nightshift

175 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:15:53am

I’m living on soup.

I just started tuna sandwiches as my first solid food.

176 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:16:35am

re: #172 stabby

I think I found a way to lose a little weight.

The flu this year is horrible. I had it 2 weeks ago and I still have trouble digesting.

I’ve gone down one belt hole size.

You know what a great way to lose weight fast?
METHAMPHETAMINE

3rd degree burns are also awesome for weight loss!

177 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:16:42am

I love that two alternate snow prediction models are claiming that we’ll either get 3 or 30 inches of snow here.

[Link: gawker.com…]

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:16:57am

re: #173 darthstar

Surface to air missile? WTF?

He’s got a MPADS? Oh hell, this could get real interesting real quick.

179 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:17:12am

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

Christie’s point about getting diagnosed by a doctor who has only seen video of him is a valid point though. It’s half-assed for the doctor to make statements with only that information. Smacks of the Terri Schiavo case in that regard.

Yeah, this is true. One difference from the Schiavo case, though, is that you had a cardiologist (Sen. Frist) trying to diagnose a brain injury through video.

180 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:18:37am

re: #173 darthstar

Scary drama in LA: former cop on murder spree, he is a sniper and has surface-to-air missile, too.

He has every right to be as well armed as his government, remember?

181 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:19:15am

re: #152 wrenchwench

There are probably 8,000 of those in the area you described.

Could be. Me, I’d just park it. The reports of mistaken shootings by cops are firming up. A bad cop/multiple murderer hunting 3 LAPD cops. Bad scene.

182 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:19:27am

re: #172 stabby

I think I found a way to lose a little weight.

The flu this year is horrible. I had it 2 weeks ago and I still have trouble digesting.

I’ve gone down one belt hole size.

I’m down 12 lbs since I got laid off Dec 4th. First job interview went really well and I thought I had it, but they called last Friday to say they went with another candidate and it’s back to the drawing board. I did have another phone screen this week and according to the recruiter I should have a face to face next week. Cool company. I’ll share details if it moves forward.

But back to the weight thing…cut one drink a night out and have been exercising pretty much every day. Feels really good and I’m hoping to drop another 10lbs before the end of spring.

183 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:20:18am

re: #172 stabby

I think I found a way to lose a little weight.

The flu this year is horrible. I had it 2 weeks ago and I still have trouble digesting.

I’ve gone down one belt hole size.

I am not as bad off as you, I dropped 3 lbs on Monday, but am feeling a lot better now

184 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:20:29am

re: #173 darthstar

Bet ya lunch that launcher is a lot like the one LAPD got in the gun buy. Inert.

185 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:20:37am

re: #167 Shiplord Kirel

I think Somalia is the only country where the government isn’t more heavily armed than the populace.

For a really extreme example of private vs. government armament, see British Armed Forces and Gun politics in the United Kingdom. As every wingnut no doubt knows, the oppressed people of Britain are groaning under a monstrous tyranny they would instantly overthrow if they only had enough assault rifles and handguns.

Hey, we saw it in that documentary about Richard III, it must be true. That dude Shakespeare should learn some better English, though. I could barely understand it.

186 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:22:27am

re: #184 Political Atheist

Bet ya lunch that launcher is a lot like the one LAPD got in the gun buy. Inert.

Hope you’re right. Though I am looking forward to the NRA sending someone out to say rocket launchers are favored by young women protecting their brood because they collapse neatly into a convenient carrying case.

187 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:22:57am

re: #173 darthstar

He claims to have both a Barrett 50 cal and SA-7 launcher.

How the heck did he get his hands on a SA-7? That’s a surface to air missile, which if he has, puts those LAPD choppers trying to track him down in serious danger.

There are specifically named officers in his manifesto. They’ve got additional security, but this guy seems determined to go out with a blaze of glory. He’s targeting those he claims responsible for his firing. A couple murdered last week were related to one of the officers implicated by Dorner in his firing.

188 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:23:25am

re: #181 Political Atheist

Could be. Me, I’d just park it. The reports of mistaken shootings by cops are firming up. A bad cop/multiple murderer hunting 3 LAPD cops. Bad scene.

If he’s got his wits about him, he’ll be switching vehicles frequently. But, yeah, I’d park it, especially if I were a black man.

189 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:23:37am

re: #182 darthstar

Your idea of exercizing is better than mine.

I’m clearly weaker than I was. I’m finding it hard to carry my tools now. (Idk, maybe they weigh 50 lbs).

Sorry about your job. What kind of job are you looking for?

190 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:25:15am
191 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:25:58am

re: #173 darthstar

Surface to air missile? WTF?

Sounds derpy to me.

192 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:27:23am

re: #190 darthstar

Can’t they find a neo-nazi to hire?

What’s with these second string bigots on tv?

193 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:27:57am

re: #190 darthstar

Fox News just posted its lowest ratings in 12 years, yet the CNN is still trying to edge in on its market. Yegods.

194 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:28:57am

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

Better stay away from that tweeter. Some serious intellectual genius going on there. /

195 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:29:08am

re: #185 Shiplord Kirel

For a really extreme example of private vs. government armament, see British Armed Forces and Gun politics in the United Kingdom. As every wingnut no doubt knows, the oppressed people of Britain are groaning under a monstrous tyranny they would instantly overthrow if they only had enough assault rifles and handguns.

I like that version of Richard III a lot. Interesting variation to pull the background into the 1930s.

196 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:29:18am

re: #189 stabby

Your idea of exercizing is better than mine.

I’m clearly weaker than I was. I’m finding it hard to carry my tools now. (Idk, maybe they weigh 50 lbs).

Sorry about your job. What kind of job are you looking for?

Mid-level IT management. I’m done being a code monkey…I can write code, but it bores me. I like managing other engineers.

197 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:29:49am

re: #156 Vicious Babushka

I am so fucking sick of these Godwinning asshats co-opting the Holocaust for themselves and making themselves into the victims.

American civilians will never be more heavily armed than the American government. Ever.

These morons need to get rid of their Red Dawn fantasies ASAP. They’d get squished like ants in real life if they tried to take on the American military.

198 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:29:55am

re: #196 darthstar

Mid-level IT management. I’m done being a code monkey…I can write code, but it bores me. I like managing other engineers.

Where you located?

199 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:30:04am

re: #170 Mattand

I’m a little sensitive to the issue, as I’ve got family members who are in the Christie zone. Shit, I need to shed about 40 lbs. myself.

I know how hard it is to lose weight. I don’t want to come off like it’s as easy as eating a salad and drinking water for 10 days.

But despite his protestations, the guy wants to be POTUS. It’s an issue. He’s most likely in danger of having some kind of coronary, given his weight and age.

I also find it a little amusing that so many of the people who are villifying the First Lady for promoting a healthy life style are often pushing for Christie to run for POTUS.

William Taft (27th President) was the largest one so far, over 330 pounds. He also is the only person to hold office for both POTUS and Chief Justice of the United States. I can’t find anything saying his weight affected his job performance.

200 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:30:14am

re: #193 Targetpractice

Fox news is still the source with the highest number of people saying “most trusted”

What is it, 35% overall, 65% of Republicans? PBS is only at 10%

201 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:30:58am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

William Taft (27th President) was the largest one so far, over 330 pounds. He also is the only person to hold office for both POTUS and Chief Justice of the United States. I can’t find anything saying his weight affected his job performance.

First President to ride in an automobile to his Inauguration! Probably because they couldn’t find a horse that would carry him.

202 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:31:31am

re: #196 darthstar

Sounds good.
I like writing software for myself, but most companies are managed to make writing code a ring of hell.

203 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:32:24am

re: #177 Obdicut

Ah, the models. GFS has refined that model significantly since it was posted. The current model is boosting the totals in the immediate NYC metro area, but no where near the levels in the other model. The HPC model (precip only) shows significant precip over New England, and that the NYC metro area is on the shoulder of the major storm.

This seems to be the latest estimation for snow totals in the NYC metro. The early AM NWS forecast still has NYC metro for 6-10 inches. Should be updated this afternoon. If the tracks firm up the way they have, they might increase the storm totals, especially on Long Island. The snow totals will depend on the temps, and it seems that it will stay colder than first expected, meaning that the changeover to rain might not happen, or wont be for as long as those early models suggested.

204 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:33:30am

Dante would have software managers whipped by teenage managers of their own, driven for 100 hours a week, told to preplan and document their time in 5 minute intervals, and given nonsense rules that make programming impossible.

205 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:34:03am

OK, so it’s from this nutjob’s manifesto.

The Violence of action will be HIGH. I am the reason TAC alert was established. I will bring unconventional and asymmetrical warfare to those in LAPD uniform whether on or off duty. ISR is my strength and your weakness. You will now live the life of the prey. Your RD’s and homes away from work will be my AO and battle space. I will utilize every tool within INT collections that I learned from NMITC in Dam Neck. You have misjudged a sleeping giant. There is no conventional threat assessment for me. JAM, New Ba’ath party, 1920 rev BGE, ACM, AAF, AQAP, AQIM and AQIZ have nothing on me. Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting. As you know I also own Barrett .50′s so your APC are defunct and futile.

206 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:34:20am

Snow storms coming from the south are notoriously hard to predict. 1 degree west, feet of snow. 1 degree east, rain.

207 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:34:23am

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

First President to ride in an automobile to his Inauguration! Probably because they couldn’t find a horse that would carry him.

10 Interesting Facts About William Taft

10. Play ball!

Taft was the first president to throw the first ball of baseball season, beginning a tradition that continues today. The game was a 1910 game between the Washington Senators and the Philadelphia Athletics. The Senators won 3-0.

9. Tone deaf

Taft was tone deaf and had to be nudged whenever the national anthem was played.

8. First to own a car

Taft was the first president to own a car. He converted the stables into a garage.

7. Last to have a cow

Taft was the last president to keep a cow at the White House to provide fresh milk. Her name was Pauline.

6. The loneliest place

Once, when commenting about the White House, Taft called it “the loneliest place in the world”.

5. A new courthouse

Taft successfully argued for the construction of the U.S. Supreme Court building. He felt that the Supreme Court should distance itself from Congress since it was a separate branch of the government. Prior to then, the Supreme Court heard cases in the Capitol building.

4. A big man

At over 330 pounds, Taft was the heaviest president. Once, he got stuck in the White House bath tub and required six aides to pull him free. The tub was replaced with a new one large enough to hold four men.

3. First in Arlington

William Taft was the first president to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery. President John Kennedy is the only other president to be buried there.

2. Chief Justice Taft

Taft is the only president to ever serve as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, making him the only person to have ever lead both the Executive and Judicial branches of the United States government. Taft considered his time as Chief Justice to be the highest point of his career, higher than that of being president.

1. The only president to swear

Taft is the only former president to ever have sworn in a president. While serving as Chief Justice, Taft administered the Oath of Office to President Calvin Coolidge in 1925 and President Herbert Hoover in 1929.

208 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:34:59am

Also they’d be given a family that they’re never allowed to go home to see.

They’d just get hourly letters from their wives saying that they’re filing divorce papers.

Their beds would be under their desks.

209 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:37:08am

And every day they’d be forced to go to a meeting with a upper executive who would praise his ability to get contracts by promising everything in 1/4 the time it would take normal programmers to deliver it, but he’d assure you that he trusts that no one HERE is merely normal.

210 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:38:11am

re: #205 Gus

Is there an English translation of this somewhere?

/

211 Mattand  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:38:26am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

William Taft (27th President) was the largest one so far, over 330 pounds. He also is the only person to hold office for both POTUS and Chief Justice of the United States. I can’t find anything saying his weight affected his job performance.

He got lucky he didn’t die in either office. Pure and simple.

212 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:39:33am

re: #210 Bulworth

Is there an English translation of this somewhere?

/

I think it says “derpity, derpy, derp-a-derp, shoot me in the head.”

213 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:40:20am

Of course you’d get to borrow THIS laptop to carry with you at all times:

214 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:41:12am

Here is his manifesto which ends in:

“You better have all your officers radio/phone muster (code 1) on or off duty every hour, on the hour.
Do not attempt to shadow or conduct any type of ISR on me. I have the inventory listing of all UC vehicles at Piper Tech and the home addresses of any INT analyst at JRIC and detachment locations. My POA is always POI and always true. This will be a war of attrition and a Pyrrhic and Camdean Victory for myself. You may have the resources and manpower but you are reactive and predictable in your op plans and TTP’s. I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.”

Major creepy and dangerous.

215 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:42:54am

Not exactly dumped but “moved to an adjacent field.” Still creepy but that’s India.

216 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:43:33am
217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:43:43am

re: #176 Vicious Babushka

You know what a great way to lose weight fast?
METHAMPHETAMINE

3rd degree burns are also awesome for weight loss!

David Letterman:

There’s this headline in the National Enquirer that says, ‘How to Lose Weight without Diet or Exercise.’ So I think to myself, ‘That leaves disease.’

218 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:43:51am

re: #214 NJDhockeyfan

He’s ex-military, too.

219 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:45:19am

re: #215 Gus

wtf?

Why are there “mass sterilizations”?

They make it sound voluntary.

220 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:46:53am

Oh come on, #213 is so wonderful it deserves some comment!

221 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:47:38am

re: #219 stabby

wtf?

Why are there “mass sterilizations”?

They make it sound voluntary.

However given its billion-plus population, local governments often offer incentives such as cars and electrical goods to couples volunteering for sterilisation.

222 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:48:13am

Come for the sterilization, get a free toaster.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:49:14am

Holy shit! He hates everyone.

I am here to change and make policy. The culture of LAPD versus the community and honest/good officers needs to and will change. I am here to correct and calibrate your morale compasses to true north.

Those Caucasian officers who join South Bureau divisions (77th,SW,SE, an Harbor) with the sole intent to victimize minorities who are uneducated, and unaware of criminal law, civil law, and civil rights. You prefer the South bureau because a use of force/deadly force is likely and the individual you use UOF on will likely not report it. You are a high value target.

Those Black officers in supervisory ranks and pay grades who stay in south bureau (even though you live in the valley or OC) for the sole intent of getting retribution toward subordinate caucasians officers for the pain and hostile work environment their elders inflicted on you as probationers (P-1′s) and novice P-2’s. You are a high value target. You perpetuated the cycle of racism in the department as well. You breed a new generation of bigoted caucasian officer when you belittle them and treat them unfairly.

Those Hispanic officers who victimize their own ethnicity because they are new immigrants to this country and are unaware of their civil rights. You call them wetbacks to their face and demean them in front of fellow officers of different ethnicities so that you will receive some sort of acceptance from your colleagues. I’m not impressed. Most likely, your parents or grandparents were immigrants at one time, but you have forgotten that. You are a high value target.

Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.

Those Asian officers who stand by and observe everything I previously mentioned other officers participate in on a daily basis but you say nothing, stand for nothing and protect nothing. Why? Because of your usual saying, ” I……don’t like conflict”. You are a high value target as well.

They need to catch or kill this guy fast.

224 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:50:02am

re: #197 Lidane

American civilians will never be more heavily armed than the American government. Ever.

These morons need to get rid of their Red Dawn fantasies ASAP. They’d get squished like ants in real life if they tried to take on the American military.

All y’all gotsta do is drop a .22 round down a tank turret from 1,000 yurds and it dun goes boomy! No sweat! Cletus, gimme a mag!

225 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:50:31am

re: #222 Gus

In this case, come for the sterilization. Stay for the fresh air recuperation.

226 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:50:55am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Sorry I came in the middle of this. WTF is going on? Did some ex-military guy with PTSD snap or something and start killing or something? Is there a base story anybody can link to? This sounds pretty scary.

227 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:51:00am

re: #217 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Tapeworm. Works all the time. /

228 Slap  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:51:16am

re: #168 Feline Fearless Leader

Christie’s point about getting diagnosed by a doctor who has only seen video of him is a valid point though. It’s half-assed for the doctor to make statements with only that information. Smacks of the Terri Schiavo case in that regard.

I’d agree with this — he did also say:

If she wants to get on a plane and come here to New Jersey and asks me if she wants to examine me and review my medical history, I’ll have a conversation with her about that. Until that time she should shut up.”

To my eyes, this is the key point. I have to agree with him, we have too many “experts” in the world (despite unassailable CVs) who weigh in based on observation through the teevee. Not responsible, IMO.

229 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:51:17am

re: #218 Obdicut

He’s ex-military, too.

By less than a week.

[…]

Dorner is a former U.S. Navy Reserve lieutenant who worked with river warfare units and a mobile inshore undersea warfare unit, among other assignments, according to Pentagon records obtained by CNN. He also provided security on oil platforms in Iraq.

He was rated as a rifle marksman and pistol expert, according to the records.

His last day in the Navy was Feb. 1, according to the records.

230 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:51:30am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

They need to catch or kill this guy fast.

Absolute weapons-grade crazy terrorist shitbird.

231 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:52:08am

re: #226 Ghost of Tom Joad

This guy, a former cop, was fired. He’s got military training and is now targeting anyone and everyone he believes responsible for his being fired. He claims to have heavy weapons like 50 cal guns, and even surface to air missiles.

He’s already killed at least two people, and shot and injured three cops.

232 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:52:39am

re: #226 Ghost of Tom Joad

Sorry I came in the middle of this. WTF is going on? Did some ex-military guy with PTSD snap or something and start killing or something? Is there a base story anybody can link to? This sounds pretty scary.

LAPD Launches Manhunt For Ex-Cop Suspected In Multiple Shootings

233 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:19am

re: #231 lawhawk

This guy, a former cop, was fired. He’s got military training and is now targeting anyone and everyone he believes responsible for his being fired. He claims to have heavy weapons like 50 cal guns, and even surface to air missiles.

He’s already killed at least two people, and shot and injured three cops.

I heard one cop was killed this morning. Not true?

234 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:28am

re: #219 stabby

wtf?

Why are there “mass sterilizations”?

They make it sound voluntary.

It’s at least semi-voluntary. The article actually explains it, if you want to, you know, read the article or something dumb like that.

235 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:32am

re: #225 lawhawk

In this case, come for the sterilization. Stay for the fresh air recuperation.

1997. The disassembly lines: Indian Women sterilized under industrial conditions…

Now if you’ll excuse me I need to throw up.

236 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:52am

re: #228 Slap

I’d agree with this — he did also say:

If she wants to get on a plane and come here to New Jersey and asks me if she wants to examine me and review my medical history, I’ll have a conversation with her about that. Until that time she should shut up.”

To my eyes, this is the key point. I have to agree with him, we have too many “experts” in the world (despite unassailable CVs) who weigh in based on observation through the teevee. Not responsible, IMO.

Life in the soundbyte world. His rather reasonable statement turns into “Christie tells doctor to ‘shup up’ about his weight problem”

237 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:55am

re: #231 lawhawk

One thing the government is good at, it’s killing/crushing cop-killers.

We understand that need to project “no one fucks with us” like any mafia.

This guy is toast.

238 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:53:59am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Holy shit! He hates everyone.

They need to catch or kill this guy fast.

An equal opportunity nutter that’s armed, dangerous, and highly trained.

Oh joy. =P

239 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:54:11am

re: #223 NJDhockeyfan

Holy shit! He hates everyone.

They need to catch or kill this guy fast.

Yup. And righties will have no problem if he’s killed on sight. But an American who runs to the Middle East to wage war against the US military? Oh, where’s his due process!!!!

240 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:54:11am

re: #231 lawhawk

This guy, a former cop, was fired. He’s got military training and is now targeting anyone and everyone he believes responsible for his being fired. He claims to have heavy weapons like 50 cal guns, and even surface to air missiles.

He’s already killed at least two people, and shot and injured three cops.

Zoinks. I read a few pieces of the manifesto he posted. He sounds like one of those lucid-crazy people, the real scary type that are actually functional enough to do some real damage. Did it say why he was fired (I mean, he’s obviously off the reservation, but…)

241 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:54:33am

re: #233 NJDhockeyfan

I heard one cop was killed this morning. Not true?

TPM’s report did say that one of the cops shot this morning died.

242 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:55:05am

re: #240 Ghost of Tom Joad

Did it say why he was fired (I mean, he’s obviously off the reservation, but…)

He alleges it is for reporting excessive force by a fellow officer.

243 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:55:21am

re: #235 Gus

Reminds me of my friend who had his cat sterilized and they fucked up.

Poor cat was sent home with badly handled, infected wounds. Would have died if he didn’t bring her back.

244 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:55:41am

re: #239 efuseakay

Yup. And righties will have no problem if he’s killed on sight. But an American who runs to the Middle East to wage war against the US military? Oh, where’s his due process!!!!

It’s really not just ‘righties’ who are complaining about that. Not by a long shot.

245 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:56:03am

re: #228 Slap

I’d agree with this — he did also say:

To my eyes, this is the key point. I have to agree with him, we have too many “experts” in the world (despite unassailable CVs) who weigh in based on observation through the teevee. Not responsible, IMO.

Shades of Frist diagnosing Terry Sciavo from video clips.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:57:08am

re: #241 makeitstop

TPM’s report did say that one of the cops shot this morning died.

Yup. LA Times:

The three shootings early Thursday morning occurred in Riverside County.

One LAPD officer was grazed in the Corona area, law enforcement sources said. Then sometime later, two Riverside Police Department officers were shot in Riverside. One of those officers died, sources said. That shooting occurred at Magnolia and Arlington avenues. The officers were taken to Riverside Community Hospital.

Officials warned that the suspect, Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33. is armed and dangerous. Law enforcement sources said police have placed security at the homes of LAPD officials named in the online documents and believe that Dorner has numerous weapons.

Hundreds of officers were swarming around the Riverside shooting scene looking for the gunman.

The California Highway Patrol issued a “blue alert” to law enforcement:

*THE SUSPECT IS CONSIDERED ARMED AND EXTREMELY DANGEROUS*

A BLUE ALERT HAS BEEN ACTIVATED IN THE FOLLOWING COUNTIES: KERN, SANTA BARBARA, VENTURA, LOS ANGELES, SAN BERNARDINO, ORANGE, RIVERSIDE, SAN DIEGO, AND IMPERIAL.

ON FEBRUARY 7, 2013, AT APPROXIMATELY 0122 HOURS, THE SUSPECT WAS INVOLVED IN MULTIPLE SHOOTINGS WITH MULTIPLE AGENCIES IN THE RIVERSIDE CHP AREA.

THE SUSPECT IS CHRISTOPHER JORDAN DORNER, A 33 YEAR OLD, BLACK MALE, 6 FEET TALL, 270 POUNDS, WITH BLACK HAIR, BROWN EYES, WITH AN UNKNOWN CLOTHING DESCRIPTION.

THE SUSPECT WAS LAST SEEN DRIVING A 2005 BLUE OR GRAY NISSAN TITAN, WITH A CA LICENSE PLATE OF 8D83987 or 7X09131 - THE SUSPECT MAY BE SWTICHING BETWEEN THE TWO LICENSE PLATES.
THE VEHICLE ALSO HAS SKI RACKS ON ITS ROOF.

247 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:57:59am

re: #198 Vicious Babushka

Where you located?

California…there are tons of opportunities out there. I’m just being really selective. Would like to work in San Francisco or San Mateo since they’re both about 20 miles from me.

248 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:58:16am

re: #232 makeitstop

re: #231 lawhawk

Thanks for the info.

249 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:58:30am

re: #244 Obdicut

It’s really not just ‘righties’ who are complaining about that. Not by a long shot.

Libertarians are righties too. ;)

250 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 8:59:47am

re: #246 NJDhockeyfan

Yup. LA Times:

THE SUSPECT WAS LAST SEEN DRIVING A 2005 BLUE OR GRAY NISSAN TITAN, WITH A CA LICENSE PLATE OF 8D83987 or 7X09131 - THE SUSPECT MAY BE SWTICHING BETWEEN THE TWO LICENSE PLATES.
THE VEHICLE ALSO HAS SKI RACKS ON ITS ROOF.

Stuff like this seems a little discouraging; as posited above, this guy seems brilliantly nasty enough to, y’know, think to change these sorts of obvious features. Racks come off, plates are stolen. The only feature that can be trusted is the man himself.

251 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:00:11am

re: #247 darthstar

California…there are tons of opportunities out there. I’m just being really selective. Would like to work in San Francisco or San Mateo since they’re both about 20 miles from me.

I get calls from recruiters every day, but they’re almost all auto industry opportunities in Detroit area. Occasionally get calls for CA but there are more than enough local candidates.

252 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:00:56am

re: #250 erik_t

Stuff like this seems a little discouraging; as posited above, this guy seems brilliantly nasty enough to, y’know, think to change these sorts of obvious features. Racks come off, plates are stolen. The only feature that can be trusted is the man himself.

He could get jack another car and get himself a hostage.

253 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:01:01am

re: #239 efuseakay

Yup. And righties will have no problem if he’s killed on sight. But an American who runs to the Middle East to wage war against the US military? Oh, where’s his due process!!!!

Are you feeling ok?

It’s only Islamists who complain about that.

I remember being on the blog of one guy who was praising his terrorist friend (helped Lashkar e Taiba), also trained American muslim youth in paintball sessions.

He took that stuff down after realizing that it’s dangerous to praise convicted American terrorists. He’s also a paranoid, confuses being a Muslim with being a victim of racism weirdo. He campaigned for Obama.

Doesn’t sound RIGHT to me.

I argued with some Jew hater on his site who’s blog name is a joke on Mein Kampf. Something about sitting around Mein Kampfire! Beautiful people.

254 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:01:32am

re: #250 erik_t

Stuff like this seems a little discouraging; as posited above, this guy seems brilliantly nasty enough to, y’know, think to change these sorts of obvious features. Racks come off, plates are stolen. The only feature that can be trusted is the man himself.

He needs a place to store all those weapons he claims to have. Changing vehicles often perhaps?

255 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:01:49am

I’m now seeing some folks on Twitter trying to claim that Dorner’s manifesto is somehow pro gun control, pro Obama, etc.

Here’s the manifesto. I don’t think you can claim any such thing.

256 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:02:06am

Fark headline:

Former LAPD cop shoots cops, on the hunt for more cops while creating perpetual gun debate loop

257 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:02:18am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

He could get jack another car and get himself a hostage.

He seems pretty focused on harming only police, doesn’t he? A civilian (non-police-related) hostage seems relatively unlikely.

This may be the thinnest silver lining I have ever seen in anything ever.

258 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:02:32am

I’ll read that some time after hell freezes over. They should just kill him and forget him.

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:02:50am

re: #255 lawhawk

I’m now seeing some folks on Twitter trying to claim that Dorner’s manifesto is somehow pro gun control, pro Obama, etc.

Here’s the manifesto. I don’t think you can claim any such thing.

I was wondering how long it would take before this guys was linked to/blamed on Obama…

260 Slap  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:03:26am

re: #231 lawhawk

This guy, a former cop, was fired. He’s got military training and is now targeting anyone and everyone he believes responsible for his being fired. He claims to have heavy weapons like 50 cal guns, and even surface to air missiles.

He’s already killed at least two people, and shot and injured three cops.

This situation is pretty depressing: black LAPD cop accuses LAPD cop of excessive force, gets fired, loses all appeals, levying charges of racism and antisemitism, goes on fine-tuned rampage, and is on the run being chased by an LAPD whose tendency towards violence is well-known and whose short fuse regarding minorities is legend.

I sure hope otherwise, but it doesn’t look like this will be anything but ugly. I fervently wish it ends with as little collateral damage as possible, and my thoughts are with his victims’ families.

261 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:03:43am

I wonder if Obama has been blamed for teen pregnancy yet.

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:05:21am

re: #261 stabby

I wonder if Obama has been blamed for teen pregnancy yet.

TGDN has blamed Obama for everything except Global Warming, but that’s only because they don’t believe it exists.

263 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:05:24am

re: #261 stabby

I wonder if Obama has been blamed for teen pregnancy yet.

Directly or indirectly? Probably yes to both.

264 chadu  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:07:54am

re: #13 Kragar

“You answered 13 of 13 questions correctly along with 8% of responders.”

Me too.

266 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:08:35am

morning all!

Mom’s getting out of the hospital today. As to whether she goes home with home health care or to rehab is still being discussed.

you?

267 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:09:11am

Laser-like focus, etc. —

GOP Lawmakers In Iowa Introduce Bill To Define Abortion As Murder

Nine Republicans in the Iowa state House of Representatives on Wednesday put forward a bill that would define abortion as murder, the Ames Tribune reported.

The legislation would change the definition of someone involved in a murder case to “an individual human being, without regard to age of development, from the moment of conception, when a zygote is formed, until natural death.”

State Rep. Rob Bacon (R), one of the legislators to introduce the bill, said that the bill is an effort to “protect the life of the unborn” but conceded that it has no chance of becoming law.

“There’s still some of us that believe life begins at conception,” Bacon told the Tribune.

What GOP war on women?

268 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:09:53am

re: #267 Lidane

Laser-like focus, etc. —

GOP Lawmakers In Iowa Introduce Bill To Define Abortion As Murder

What GOP war on women?

OMG! It’s like Whack-A-Mole with these guys.

269 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:10:26am

re: #255 lawhawk

I’m now seeing some folks on Twitter trying to claim that Dorner’s manifesto is somehow pro gun control, pro Obama, etc.

Here’s the manifesto. I don’t think you can claim any such thing.

Nothing about it that I can see. It’s really just a matter of him going the full vigilante. He’s taken every slight against him and what he believes in as a reason to just take life without any due process. He seems like more of a blaze-of-glory type which is even worse.

Hopefully he has a change of heart and stops what he’s doing, or kills himself before causing more harm; an “oh god what have I done” moment. Hopefully it’ll draw attention to the corruption he obviously was a victim of. Doesn’t justify what he’s done in any way.

270 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:10:38am

Idiot.

271 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:11:19am

re: #261 stabby

I wonder if Obama has been blamed for teen pregnancy yet.

Only of white virginal girls, those others were tramps and just asking for it

272 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:11:36am

re: #270 Gus

Idiot.

Two idiots.

273 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:11:55am

Funny, I was able to easily find his manifesto.
Morons.

274 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:12:03am

re: #249 efuseakay

Libertarians are righties too. ;)

It’s not just libertarians, dude. A lot of the anti-war left is really against these strikes, too. Hell, I’m against them.

275 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:12:05am

re: #255 lawhawk

I’m now seeing some folks on Twitter trying to claim that Dorner’s manifesto is somehow pro gun control, pro Obama, etc.

Here’s the manifesto. I don’t think you can claim any such thing.

It looks like they didn’t post the rest of it after “I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.”

There is much more. The entire manifesto is here. He goes on and on about various politicians and celebrities. Fucking weird shit.

276 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:12:40am

Fricking conspiracy theorists. They went after Newtown victims’ families. They’re going after victims from the Aurora massacre - impersonating victims, seeking information, mapping where victims live, etc.

[deleted]

277 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:13:00am

re: #270 Gus

Idiot.

@mxkied News Media Scrub Cop Murderer’s Manifesto of Pro-Obama, Hillary, MSNBC, CNN, Gay, and Anti-Gun Comments http://bit.ly/VJYRxE @SOOPerMexican!

I honestly want to know what else he would have crammed in there if he hadn’t run out of characters.

Guesses: Benghazi, contraception, immigration reform

278 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:13:09am

Circular firing squad, Part Derpity Derp:

CNS News’ Terence Jeffrey: ‘Rove Is No Conservative’

279 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:13:26am

re: #243 stabby

Reminds me of my friend who had his cat sterilized and they fucked up.

Poor cat was sent home with badly handled, infected wounds. Would have died if he didn’t bring her back.

You could use an editor between your brain and your typing fingers. I’m sure that hearing about dozens of women being sterilized in horrific conditions reminded you about your friend’s cat, but that doesn’t make it an appropriate comment.

280 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:13:29am

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

It looks like they didn’t post the rest of it after “I have the strength and benefits of being unpredictable, unconventional, and unforgiving. Do not waste your time with briefs and tabletops.”

There is much more. The entire manifesto is here. He goes on and on about various politicians and celebrities. Fucking weird shit.

I think the whole idea of writing a manifesto is kinda weird. WTF cares?

281 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:13:38am

re: #268 FemNaziBitch

OMG! It’s like Whack-An-Mole Ungodly slut baby killer!! with these guys.

In their minds, anyway.

If they put as much thought into fixing real problems as they did abortion, this country would be a fucking utopia.

282 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:14:08am

re: #274 Obdicut

You’re moving the goalposts.

Originally the quote was “waging war on the US military”

If you’re doing that you’re a combatant. Period.

283 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:14:47am

re: #280 FemNaziBitch

I think the whole idea of writing a manifesto is kinda weird. WTF cares?

Inspired by the Uni-bomber?

284 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:14:58am

re: #279 wrenchwench

shrug

285 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15:19am

re: #284 stabby

shrug

That’s what I’m talking about.

286 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15:31am

One of the scarier things about this whole ex-cop thing is that the police are on edge so much now that there have been at least two incidents of the cops opening fire on a truck that looked like the suspect’s — but wasn’t, injuring innocent civilians in the process.

287 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15:39am

re: #276 lawhawk

Fricking conspiracy theorists. They went after Newtown victims’ families. They’re going after victims from the Aurora massacre - impersonating victims, seeking information, mapping where victims live, etc.

[deleted]

These people got too much time on their damn hands. Seriously. People ain’t got better shit to do in the 21st century?

288 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:15:52am

re: #285 wrenchwench

That’s what I’m talking about.

Maturity has been judged and found wanting.

289 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:16:03am

re: #270 Gus

Idiot.

The beginnings of the effort to paint the guy as a “liberal terrorist.”

290 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:16:03am

re: #285 wrenchwench

when you say something I care about, I’ll let you know

291 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:16:42am

re: #282 stabby

What goddamn goalposts? What orginal quote?

292 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:17:08am

He’s a fan of Anthony Bourdain.

Anthony Bourdain, you’re a modern renaissance man who epitomizes the saying “too cool for school”.

That must make Tony feel better.
//

293 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:17:22am

re: #289 Targetpractice

The beginnings of the effort to paint the guy as a “liberal terrorist.”

TGDN is silent on this topic.

294 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:17:31am

re: #286 Shvaughn

One of the scarier things about this whole ex-cop thing is that the police are on edge so much now that there have been at least two incidents of the cops opening fire on a truck that looked like the suspect’s — but wasn’t, injuring innocent civilians in the process.

Could you imagine if everybody was armed? Somebody who supposedly “looked” like that guy would be shot every 5 minutes.

295 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:17:35am

re: #290 stabby

when you say something I care about, I’ll let you know

Since Ludwig is gone, can you explain exactly what you get out of being an asshole when you argue on here? Is it just cathartic for you or do you honestly think being an abrasive jackass helps you get your argument across and convince others?

296 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:18:51am

re: #281 Ghost of Tom Joad

In their minds, anyway.

If they put as much thought into fixing real problems as they did abortion, this country would be a fucking utopia.

Yeah, but if you think it’s all a punishment from god for aborting babies, while ignoring the children in need that are already here, then it makes sense.

297 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:20:00am

re: #295 Obdicut

Since Ludwig is gone, can you explain exactly what you get out of being an asshole when you argue on here? Is it just cathartic for you or do you honestly think being an abrasive jackass helps you get your argument across and convince others?

He doesn’t give a shit.

298 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:20:09am

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is silent on this topic.

For the moment.

299 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:20:11am

re: #291 Obdicut

I was responding to #239. Didn’t sound like talking about drone strikes against random terrorists, it said “wage ware against the US Military”.

re: #239 efuseakay

Yup. And righties will have no problem if he’s killed on sight. But an American who runs to the Middle East to wage war against the US military? Oh, where’s his due process!!!!

300 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:20:24am

Dorner’s actual quip about Obama is that the right needs to treat him with respect, the same respect given to his predecessor. And he also states that his candidate of choice was Huntsman (a GOPer). Not exactly a pro-Obama leftist.

You disrespect the office of the POTUS/Presidency and Commander in Chief. You call him Kenyan, mongroid, halfrican, muslim, and FBHO when in essence you are to address him as simply, President. The same as you did to President George W. Bush and all those in the highest ranking position of our land before him. Just as I always have. You question his birth certificate, his educational and professional accomplishments, and his judeo-christian beliefs. You make disparaging remarks about his dead parents. You never questioned the fact that his former opponent, the honorable Senator John McCain, was not born in the CONUS or that Bush had a C average in his undergrad. Electoral Candidates children (Romney) state they want to punch the president in the face during debates with no formal repercussions. No one even questioned the fact that the son just made a criminal threat toward the President. You call his wife a Wookie. Off the record, I love your new bangs, Mrs. Obama. A woman whose professional and educational accomplishments are second to none when compared to recent First wives. You call his supporters, whether black, brown, yellow, or white, leeches, FSA, welfare recipients, and ni$&er lovers. You say this openly without any discretion. Before you start with your argument that you believe I would vote for Obama because he has the same skin color as me, fuck you. I didn’t vote in this last election as my choice of candidate, John Huntsman, didn’t win the primary candidacy for his party. Mr. President, I haven’t agreed with all of your decisions but of course I haven’t agreed with all of your predecessors decisions. I think you’ve done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. I shed a tear the night you were initially elected President in 2008. I never thought that day would occur. A black man elected president in the U.S. in my lifetime. I cracked a smiled when you were re-elected in 2012 because I really didn’t think you were going to pull that one off. Romney, stop being a sore loser. You could’ve exited graciously and still contributed significantly to public service, not now. Mr. President, get back to work. Many want to see you fail as they have stated so many times previously. Unfortunately, if you fail, the U.S. fails but your opponents do not concern themselves about the big picture.

301 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:21:18am
302 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:21:45am

TGDN = Grifters ‘R Us, Part Eleventy:

303 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:22:25am

re: #283 NJDhockeyfan

Inspired by the Uni-bomber?

or Brevik.

or (insert Godwin here).

304 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:22:56am

re: #300 lawhawk

Dorner’s actual quip about Obama is that the right needs to treat him with respect, the same respect given to his predecessor. And he also states that his candidate of choice was Huntsman (a GOPer). Not exactly a pro-Obama leftist.

They think Huntsman a RINO, so no stopping them there.

305 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:03am

And they’re off!

306 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:17am

re: #302 Lidane

TGDN = Grifters ‘R Us, Part Eleventy:

Is he even a plumber?

307 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:18am

re: #290 stabby

when you say something I care about, I’ll let you know

Don’t bother.

308 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:22am

re: #295 Obdicut

I don’t respond respond well to people trying to control me though their “offense”. I don’t come here to be approved of, to join a group, to be manipulated and bullied. You don’t like what I say, it’s not my problem. I’m not here to bow to you.

309 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:33am

re: #300 lawhawk

Dorner’s actual quip about Obama is that the right needs to treat him with respect, the same respect given to his predecessor. And he also states that his candidate of choice was Huntsman (a GOPer). Not exactly a pro-Obama leftist.

He goes all around the political landscape of people he likes.

Mr. Vice President, do your due diligence when formulating a concise and permanent national AWB plan. Future generations of Americans depend on your plan and advisement to the president. I’ve always been a fan of yours and consider you one of the few genuine and charismatic politicians. Damn, sounds like an oxymoron calling you an honest politician. It’s the truth.

Hillary Clinton. You’ll make one hell of a president in 2016. Much like your husband, Bill, you will be one of the greatest. Look at Castro in San Antonio as a running mate or possible secretary of state. He’s (good people) and I have faith and confidence in him. Look after Bill. He was always my favorite President. Chelsea grew up to be one hell of an attractive woman. No disrespect to her husband.

Gov. Chris Christie. What can I say? You’re the only person I would like to see in the White House in 2016 other than Hillary. You’re America’s no shit taking uncle. Do one thing for your wife, kids, and supporters. Start walking at night and eat a little less, not a lot less, just a little. We want to see you around for a long time. Your leadership is greatly needed.

…The honorable President George H.W. Bush, they never give you enough credit for your successful Presidency. You were always one of my favorite Presidents (2nd favorite). I hope your health improves greatly. You are the epitome of an American and service to country.

General Petraeus, you made a mistake that the majority of men make once, twice, or unfortunately many times in a lifetime. You are human. You thought with your penis. It’s okay.I personally believe you should have never resigned and told your critics to shove it. You only answer to two people regarding the affair, your wife and children, period. I hope you return to government service to your country as it is visibly in your DNA.

General Colin Powell, your book “My American Journey” solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.

310 Gus  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:23:36am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

And they’re off!

Houston, we’ve got ourselves a conspiracy theory.

311 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:24:24am

re: #305 Vicious Babushka

And they’re off!

That didn’t take long.

312 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:25:46am

re: #308 stabby

I don’t respond respond well to people trying to control me though their “offense”. I don’t come here to be approved of, to join a group, to be manipulated and bullied. You don’t like what I say, it’s not my problem. I’m not here to bow to you.

Hopefullly, you are here to communicate, which means compromise in conversational style.

Tact.

314 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:27:11am

re: #299 stabby

I was responding to #239. Didn’t sound like talking about drone strikes against random terrorists, it said “wage ware against the US Military”.

re: #239 efuseakay

And I was talking about drone strikes against random terrorists?

315 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:27:44am

This guy seems reasonable enough when he writes his manifesto, not a whole lot that’s particularly crazy — until he goes off the rails entirely and starts talking about murdering cops.

316 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:27:48am

re: #311 Targetpractice

That didn’t take long.

They are mostly ignoring it in favor of Benghazi, droneghazi, and Obamacare DETH PANELZ.

317 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:28:00am

re: #308 stabby

I don’t respond respond well to people trying to control me though their “offense”. I don’t come here to be approved of, to join a group, to be manipulated and bullied. You don’t like what I say, it’s not my problem. I’m not here to bow to you.

That doesn’t make any sense as an answer to my question.

I asked you what you feel you gain by being this abrasive. In a way, I’m asking what you are here for.

318 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:28:04am

re: #308 stabby

I don’t respond respond well to people trying to control me though their “offense”. I don’t come here to be approved of, to join a group, to be manipulated and bullied. You don’t like what I say, it’s not my problem. I’m not here to bow to you.

I hope you don’t retain that attitude when you leave the basement. It’s not a good way to get ahead in life.

319 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:28:34am

I’ve been ignoring the drone about the drones.

Is the argument for targeting American Citizens any different than Bush’s.?

IIRC, American Citizens on foreign soil acting as terrorists are fair game.

320 darthstar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:31:04am

re: #302 Lidane

TGDN = Grifters ‘R Us, Part Eleventy:

Joe’s website reads like a crazy man’s manifesto.

321 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:31:19am

Unless you’re already really my friend and or unless you’ve given me some reason to deeply respect you, don’t expect me be open to being manipulated by your disapproval.

322 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:32:18am

re: #316 Vicious Babushka

They are mostly ignoring it in favor of Benghazi, droneghazi, and Obamacare DETH PANELZ.

Waiting to see which way it goes, I think. Needs moar sensationalism.

323 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:32:22am

By the way, I found a piece of data that may help to explain the Ethopian-Jews-Depo-Provera thing:

The usage of all forms of contraception among Israelis in general is 68%. The usage right now among Ethiopian Jews in Israel is 30%. In the camps, it was reported at 5%, for Ethiopia in general it was 17%. So even after this ‘eugenics’ program, Ethiopians have a much lower usage of contraception than average Israelis. In general, it would be considered a good thing to promote contraception usage in that population.

I think that what’s likely to have happened is that there was a directive to increase contraception usage among Ethiopian Jews, and that this was done unethically, without full informed consent, by doctors with not unusual doctor’s arrogance combined with a culture clash and a ‘we’re doing it for their own good anyhow’. There are certainly tinges of racism and paternalism, but it’s very different from the “Israel is trying to sterilize all the Ethiopians” meme.

324 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:32:26am

I’m kind of offended by the assumption that I’m that easy to control.

325 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:32:38am

re: #321 stabby

Unless you’re already really my friend and or unless you’ve given me some reason to deeply respect you, don’t expect me be open to being manipulated by your disapproval.

I think it’s sad that you see civility as “manipulation”.

326 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:32:49am

Ex-LAPD cop tried to steal boat, flee to Mexico, authorities say

The disgruntled ex-LAPD officer suspected of shooting three police officers Thursday morning and killing a couple in Irvine earlier this week tried to steal a boat in San Diego and flee to Mexico, authorities said.

Police officials said they believed Christopher Jordan Dorner, 33, attempted to steal a 47-foot boat from an elderly man about 10:30 p.m. Wednesday at the Southwestern Yacht Club in Point Loma, hours before the police shootings in Riverside.

The 81-year-old boat owner reported being accosted and tied up by a burly man dressed in black who threatened him with a gun and said he wanted the boat to flee to Mexico.

But while the assailant was trying to start the boat, a rope became fouled in the propeller and the boat was inoperable, authorities said.

The suspect took the boat owner’s cell phone and fled the scene and the boat owner was unharmed.

About 2 a.m., a citizen reported finding property belonging to Dorner on a street near Lindbergh Field, not far from the scene of the attempted boat theft. The property included a briefcase and Dorner’s LAPD badge.

327 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:33:04am

re: #321 stabby

Unless you’re already really my friend and or unless you’ve given me some reason to deeply respect you, don’t expect me be open to being manipulated by your disapproval.

I’m not actually trying to manipulate you. I’m honestly interested in whether you’re this abrasive as some sort of tactic, or because it feels good, or what. I’m curious as to the reasoning, if any, behind it.

328 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:33:39am

Someone’s cranky today.

329 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:34:06am

re: #328 makeitstop

Someone’s cranky today.

It’s been a recurring theme.

330 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:34:24am

re: #327 Obdicut

Telling me that you’re offended by my word choice is not “civility” it’s manipulation.

The only reason I don’t use harsher words to respond to that is a wish to avoid being banned. In future I won’t respond at all other than to say “I don’t care” once.

331 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:34:26am

re: #328 makeitstop

Someone’s cranky today.

Pretty much every day.

332 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:34:29am

There will be a news conference from LAPD chief about the Dorner situation at 10 a.m. PST (25 minutes from now).

333 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:35:41am

re: #321 stabby

Unless you’re already really my friend and or unless you’ve given me some reason to deeply respect you, don’t expect me be open to being manipulated by your disapproval.

Because its all about you?

If you are not willing to communicate (which means putting your emotions to the side and trying to understand another’s words while figuring how how best to get them to understand yours) you will not be effective.

No on is going to take the time to try to gain your respect unless they see the same effort on your part.

334 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:35:43am

re: #315 Shvaughn

This guy seems reasonable enough when he writes his manifesto, not a whole lot that’s particularly crazy — until he goes off the rails entirely and starts talking about murdering cops.

What I was thinking. Seems like he had a good grasp of the political landscape, some well-thought out analysis of people, and then poof! it all went to shit.

I see his grievances, I see his motive, but I don’t see anything resembling justification for what he’s done. This isn’t eye-for-an-eye. Like a lot of folks who just “snap”, they just don’t have the mental capacity to deal with internal conflict that doesn’t end with other people dieing (which is weird here because this guy seemed like he had his shit in a pile).

Terrible shame.

335 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:36:19am

I have a feeling he made it to Mexico. A drug cartel will welcome him with open arms.

336 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:36:43am

That manifesto is something else. I don’t have time this year to read the whole thing, but he addressed cyclists, which caught my eye.

Cyclist, I have no problem sharing the road with you. But, at least go the fucking speed limit posted or get off the road!!! That is a feasible request. Livestrong you fraudulent assholes.

337 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:37:26am

re: #333 FemNaziBitch

Because its all about you?

If you are not willing to communicate (which means putting your emotions to the side and trying to understand another’s words while figuring how how best to get them to understand yours) you will not be effective.

No on is going to take the time to try to gain your respect unless they see the same effort on your part.

He doesn’t care, so there! Very reasonable, adult attitude. //

338 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:37:28am

re: #330 stabby

Telling me that you’re offended by my word choice is not “civility” it’s manipulation.

The only reason I don’t use harsher words to respond to that is a wish to avoid being banned. In future I won’t respond at all other than to say “I don’t care” once.

Wow, that’s a new definition for me.

Being honest is manipulation. Who knew?

339 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:37:39am

re: #302 Lidane

TGDN = Grifters ‘R Us, Part Eleventy:

WTF, this guy hasn’t gone away yet?

God dammit John McCain, why the fuck do your machinations all have to come back to haunt us.

340 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:38:39am

re: #336 wrenchwench

That manifesto is something else. I don’t have time this year to read the whole thing, but he addressed cyclists, which caught my eye.

He quoted that favorite wingnut slogan about the “Tree of Liberty must be refreshed” etc.

341 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:39:02am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

I have a feeling he made it to Mexico. A drug cartel will welcome him with open arms.

I don’t think so. This guy doesn’t want to be taking orders from anyone. He’s taking control from here on out. And he’s anticipating the ‘out’ to be coming soon. He talks about what TV shows he’s sorry he’ll be missing.

342 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:40:10am

re: #341 wrenchwench

I don’t think so. This guy doesn’t want to be taking orders from anyone. He’s taking control from here on out. And he’s anticipating the ‘out’ to be coming soon. He talks about what TV shows he’s sorry he’ll be missing.

Yeah, he doesn’t seem to be in this to survive.

His manifesto makes it pretty clear that he’s expecting to die.

343 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:40:25am

re: #341 wrenchwench

I don’t think so. This guy doesn’t want to be taking orders from anyone. He’s taking control from here on out. And he’s anticipating the ‘out’ to be coming soon. He talks about what TV shows he’s sorry he’ll be missing.

Who does? Learning it isn’t possible if one wants to be functional in society is one of the greatest disappointments of adulthood.

344 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:40:33am

re: #340 Vicious Babushka

He quoted that favorite wingnut slogan about the “Tree of Liberty must be refreshed” etc.

And he kind of turned it on its head by expressly saying he wasn’t applying it to the government.

Maybe that’s what’s got some of these RWNJs all worked up.

345 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:41:11am

re: #343 FemNaziBitch

Who does? Learning it isn’t possible if one wants to be functional in society is one of the greatest disappointments of adulthood.

I didn’t mean Stabby, despite the parallels.

346 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:41:47am

re: #345 wrenchwench

I didn’t mean Stabby, despite the parallels.

Heh.

347 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:42:11am

So, Mom is going home with Home Health Care.

They are going to give me an hour lead time.

348 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:42:37am

re: #345 wrenchwench

I didn’t mean Stabby, despite the parallels.

I thought you meant the manifesto writer.

349 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:43:09am

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

So, Mom is going home with Home Health Care.

They are going to give me an hour lead time.

I wasn’t aware your mom was ill. I hope she recovers soon.

350 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:44:01am

re: #344 makeitstop

And he kind of turned it on its head by expressly saying he wasn’t applying it to the government.

Maybe that’s what’s got some of these RWNJs all worked up.

They are really not worked up at all, certainly not to the level of Benghazi! or Piers Morgan Sux!

351 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:44:09am

re: #349 CuriousLurker

I wasn’t aware your mom was ill. I hope she recovers soon.

She’s not ill as much as she is old and getting older.

She’s not happy about it.

thx

352 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:44:56am

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

So, Mom is going home with Home Health Care.

They are going to give me an hour lead time.

My wife is a home health care nurse. She loves it.

353 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:45:31am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

I remember a little ditty we used to sing as kids:

Mine eyes have seen the horror of the burning of the school
We have tortured every teacher, we have broken every rule
(it gets worse, you can Google it)

A kid would get expelled for singing it today.

Makes me think of the old Richard Bachman/Stephen King book, Rage

354 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:45:49am

re: #350 Vicious Babushka

They are really not worked up at all, certainly not to the level of Benghazi! or Piers Morgan Sux!

Give ‘em an hour or so.

355 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:46:13am

re: #351 FemNaziBitch

She’s not ill as much as she is old and getting older.

She’s not happy about it.

Ah, I see. Getting old isn’t for sissies. I’m not real thrilled with it myself, but I guess it beats the alternative (for now, at least).

356 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:46:42am

re: #347 FemNaziBitch

Sounds about right. Had a similar situation where relative was released from rehab facility with minimal warning, and little ability to get necessary services lined up in a timely fashion.

357 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:47:02am

This is awesome. First, the story about the Phelps graddaughter who defected from the WBC. Now this:

Former WBC Member Speaks Out

Image: noh8wbc.jpg

358 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:47:07am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

I thought you meant the manifesto writer.

I thought so, but wasn’t certain. The parallels were popping out as I typed.

359 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:47:10am

re: #330 stabby

Telling me that you’re offended by my word choice is not “civility” it’s manipulation.

I didn’t claim it was civility.

The only reason I don’t use harsher words to respond to that is a wish to avoid being banned. In future I won’t respond at all other than to say “I don’t care” once.

Do you understand I’m asking you why you do it? Is there some reason why you think telling me why you choose to be this abrasive is counterproductive or something?

You’re kinda baffling.

360 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:47:36am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

My wife is a home health care nurse. She loves it.

Gotta hand it to her. It takes a special kind of person to do that—I wouldn’t last a day.

361 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:47:44am

re: #352 NJDhockeyfan

My wife is a home health care nurse. She loves it.

Yeah, the kind she is getting isn’t covered by Medicare-because she doesn’t want to to to a rehab facility. So, she is really unhappy about it. :)

Some things are covered, some aren’t.

I think I”m going to have to move her soon to assisted living, but one-step-at-a-time.

After going thru it all with my Dad two years ago, I think I’ve used my life-time allotment of adrenaline.

362 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:48:52am

re: #353 Romantic Heretic

I was in 5th grade when I learned that.. I mean that’s young enough that you care about bubble gum trading cards.

You think they’d expel a little kid for traditional kid songs? Hell some places they even TEACH little kids cute/naughty songs.

363 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:49:05am

re: #356 lawhawk

Sounds about right. Had a similar situation where relative was released from rehab facility with minimal warning, and little ability to get necessary services lined up in a timely fashion.

Luckily she is in a facility which offers many services. Everyone there is coordinating what is going to happen. Thank Goodness! Because I couldn’t begin to do it. I’m totally burned-out after my Dad’s illness and passing.

364 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:49:11am

re: #360 CuriousLurker

Gotta hand it to her. It takes a special kind of person to do that—I wouldn’t last a day.

We were lucky enough to find an amazing home nurse for my grandmother, allowing her to stay in her house up until the last couple of weeks of her life. This made her last years much, much, much happier than they would have been otherwise.

And this was my mean gramma too. That nurse was a saint. She often said “I like Eleanor, I wish Eleanor liked me.”

365 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:49:45am

re: #360 CuriousLurker

Gotta hand it to her. It takes a special kind of person to do that—I wouldn’t last a day.

Me either. I don’t have the patience for nursing, teaching or social work.

366 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:50:22am

re: #365 FemNaziBitch

Me either. I don’t have the patience for nursing, teaching or social work.

The edit sums me up :)

367 Lidane  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:50:34am

re: #360 CuriousLurker

Gotta hand it to her. It takes a special kind of person to do that—I wouldn’t last a day.

Yeah, same here. I would NOT last as a nurse or caregiver. It takes a special person to be able to do it day in, day out.

368 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:50:59am

re: #302 Lidane

TGDN = Grifters ‘R Us, Part Eleventy:

You can rearrange the letters of “JoeForAmerica” to spell “I Jeer Macro Oaf.”

369 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:52:10am

re: #359 Obdicut

I don’t think it’s healthy for people to be open to being forced into conformity by shallow social pressure. I’ve seen bad results of that.

I rather disapprove of the whole process on principle.

In short, I don’t think that sort of pressure deserves the respect it gets, and I refuse to play along with it.

:) Maybe I’m a good example for a change in society.

Anyway I’m sure we will get nowhere discussing this.

370 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:52:19am

re: #367 Lidane

Yeah, same here. I would NOT last as a nurse or caregiver. It takes a special person to be able to do it day in, day out.

I’m good for about an hour.

371 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:52:22am

re: #361 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, the kind she is getting isn’t covered by Medicare-because she doesn’t want to to to a rehab facility. So, she is really unhappy about it. :)

Some things are covered, some aren’t.

I think I”m going to have to move her soon to assisted living, but one-step-at-a-time.

After going thru it all with my Dad two years ago, I think I’ve used my life-time allotment of adrenaline.

Medicare has some fucked up rules. One of her elderly patients needed a machine in her house at the cost of around $300 and they wouldn’t cover it. However if she went to the hospital for $1000s until she was healed they covered that. Fucking backwards.

372 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:53:02am

re: #309 NJDhockeyfan

General Colin Powell, your book “My American Journey” solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.

You see? He supports Powell, who supported Obama, ergo:
HE LOVES OBAMA!!!

Case closed.

/

373 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:53:09am

re: #369 stabby

In short, I don’t think that sort of pressure deserves the respect it gets, and I refuse to play along with it.

:) Maybe I’m a good example for a change in society.

Rebel without a clue.

374 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:54:01am

re: #369 stabby

Possibly the most childish thing I have ever seen posted here.

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:54:32am

re: #325 erik_t

I think it’s sad that you see civility as “manipulation”.

Civility is a hostile concept to a lot of people, and a sign of weakness when directed at anyone who does not share your views and/or ethnicity.

376 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:55:25am

re: #374 erik_t

Well you should be able to figure out how much I respect your disapproval that comes with no attempt at argument whatsoever.

I can be convinced by reason, not attitude.

Try again.

377 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:55:34am

re: #371 NJDhockeyfan

Medicare has some fucked up rules. One of her elderly patients needed a machine in her house at the cost of around $300 and they wouldn’t cover it. However if she went to the hospital for $1000s until she was healed they covered that. Fucking backwards.

I don’t have any complaints other than the paperwork. Since moving my parents to Illinois, everything has been so much easier. It seems the whole network up her is designed to work —not so much in Ohio. That’s my experience anyway.

My Dad got much better care up here. They just HATE spending their own money. I ask “Why did you save and save and save?” That’s what the money is for—no? Not that there is much left as they lived longer than they thought they might, but there is enough to make sure she get’s what she needs.

378 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:55:35am

re: #375 Sol Berdinowitz

Civility is a hostile concept to a lot of people, and a sign of weakness when directed at anyone who does not share your views and/or ethnicity.

I think Stabby may be a Klingon.

379 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:55:49am

re: #372 Sol Berdinowitz

General Colin Powell, your book “My American Journey” solidified my decision to join the military after college. I had always intended to serve, but your book and journey motivated me. You are an inspiration to all Americans and influenced me greatly.

You see? He supports Powell, who supported Obama ergo, HE LOVES OBAMA!!!

Case closed.

/

I am expecting “He served under George W Bush, who supported George HW Bush ergo, HE LOVES GWB!!!”

380 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:56:08am

re: #376 stabby

Well you should be able to figure out how much I respect your disapproval that comes with no attempt at argument whatsoever.

I can be convinced by reason, not attitude.

Try again.

YOU NEED THERAPY.

381 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:56:25am

re: #374 erik_t

Possibly the most childish thing I have ever seen posted here.

LVQ jr.

382 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:57:10am

re: #379 NJDhockeyfan

I am expecting “He served under George W Bush, who supported George HW Bush ergo, HE LOVES GWB!!!”

This sort of logic only works to incriminate Obama and to link him to every bad thing that has ever happened.

383 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:59:50am

re: #369 stabby

I don’t think it’s healthy for people to be open to being forced into conformity by shallow social pressure. I’ve seen bad results of that.

I rather disapprove of the whole process on principle.

In short, I don’t think that sort of pressure deserves the respect it gets, and I refuse to play along with it.

Your parents must be proud. Do you treat them the same way you treat people here?

:) Maybe I’m a good example for a change in society.

The general consensus seems to indicate otherwise.

384 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:00:25am

re: #382 Sol Berdinowitz

This sort of logic only works to incriminate Obama and to link him to every bad thing that has ever happened.

Up to 2 years ago GWB had that honor. Once Obama is gone another President will fill in the void for moonbats & wingnuts to bitch about.

385 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:01:26am

re: #383 CuriousLurker

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

386 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:02:13am

re: #385 stabby

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

How would you define “A meeting of minds” ?

387 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:02:53am

re: #385 stabby

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

Keep fucking that chicken.

388 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:03:04am

re: #381 NJDhockeyfan

LVQ jr.

At least LVQ was intelligent and had some useful knowledge to impart when he wasn’t being obnoxious. Stabby McDerpsalot, not so much.

389 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:03:25am

re: #369 stabby

I don’t think it’s healthy for people to be open to being forced into conformity by shallow social pressure. I’ve seen bad results of that.

I rather disapprove of the whole process on principle.

What whole process? What are you even talking about?

:) Maybe I’m a good example for a change in society.

Anyway I’m sure we will get nowhere discussing this.

We’ll get nowhere as long as you just refuse to explain. Unless your explanation is that it’s good for you to be an abrasive asshole not because it actually helps you communicate— which it doesn’t, stuff you say gets lost in people being annoyed with how dickishly you say it, often— but because it sets some philosophical standard for non-conforming which is good?

Kinda abstract, but okay.

390 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:03:44am

re: #385 stabby

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

Go fuck yourself.

391 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:03:46am

re: #385 stabby

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

You creep me out.

392 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:04:54am

You people don’t actually have an argument that supports the various sorts of controls on word choice and context that you’ve started these arguments about in the past do you?

We’re just going around and around with you saying “you should conform because we all say so” and me saying “that’s not a dynamic I approve of”

This will go nowhere unless you have actual reasons for your demands.

Anyway there must be something better to spend our time on.

See ya in the funny papers.

393 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:05:56am

re: #392 stabby

You people don’t actually have an argument that supports the various sorts of controls on word choice and context that you’ve started these arguments about in the past do you?

We’re just going around and around with you saying “you should conform because we all say so” and me saying “that’s not a dynamic I approve of”

This will go nowhere unless you have actual reasons for your demands.

Anyway there must be something better to spend our time on.

See ya in the funny papers.

Flounce?

394 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:06:28am

re: #385 stabby

Consensus is just conformity and pressure.

I think I already explained that I disagree with the assumption that people should be open to that and conform.

You really don’t have anything else?

LOL <— How’s that?

395 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:06:45am

“go fuck yourself”
“you creep me out”

Yep, that’s narcissistic rage. You assumed that I should be under your control when you demanded it, and you rage when you realize that I’m not.

There’s the unhealthy core of this.

396 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:06:55am

re: #394 CuriousLurker

LOL <— How’s that?

Strange world view, IMHO.

397 erik_t  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:07:27am

re: #395 stabby

My irony meter just exploded.

398 gwangung  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:08:08am

re: #392 stabby

We have an argument. You don’t want to accept it as valid.

399 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:08:16am

re: #395 stabby

“go fuck yourself”
“you creep me out”

Yep, that’s narcissistic rage. You assumed that I should be under your control when you demanded it, and you rage when you realize that I’m not.

There’s the unhealthy core of this.

When you reject efforts to communicate with you, you’ll get rebuffed.

If you can’t play with the big dogs, quit trying.

400 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:08:37am

re: #392 stabby

Anyway there must be something better to spend our time on.

… and then you continue on digging your hole deeper in your next comment.

I think you should step back from the computer for a while, maybe take a nice walk outdoors.

401 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:09:19am

re: #395 stabby

The original question is why you act so abrasively, what you feel you gain out of it. That’s not an attempt to control you. I don’t know why you think it is. Can you explain how that’s trying to control you?

402 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:10:29am

In short, disapproval is not communication of an idea, it’s an attempt to control.

I approve of communication, but that’s not what control is.

403 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:11:45am

There is a fundamental difference between communicating ideas and trying to manipulate people’s behavior.

404 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:11:56am

re: #402 stabby

In short, disapproval is not communication of an idea, it’s an attempt to control.

I approve of communication, but that’s not what control is.

You have a source for that? It’s not something I’ve heard before.

405 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:12:25am

re: #403 stabby

There is a fundamental difference between communicating ideas and trying to manipulate people’s behavior.

and you seem to have difficultly with it.

406 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:12:37am

I don’t need to appeal to authority for my observations. I have my own mind.

407 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:13:13am

re: #403 stabby

There is a fundamental difference between communicating ideas and trying to manipulate people’s behavior.

Put on a tin foil cap. That will prevent your behavior from being manipulated ;)

408 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:14:12am

re: #395 stabby

“go fuck yourself”
“you creep me out”

Yep, that’s narcissistic rage. You assumed that I should be under your control when you demanded it, and you rage when you realize that I’m not.

There’s the unhealthy core of this.

Are you quoting shit from the “Libertarians Guide to Internet Etiquette for Dummies” or some crap? You said something somebody didn’t like, they called you out on it, and you’re acting like you’ll get banned if you don’t ‘conform to the hive mind’ or some stupid shit.

You sound like Sarah Palin. Really.

409 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:14:22am

Stabby, you really think a lot of yourself. NO one here gives enough of a shit about you to try to manipulate you.

Get over yourself.

410 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:15:12am

Off to get Mom’s stuff ready.

Have fun all!

411 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:18:11am

re: #395 stabby

“go fuck yourself”
“you creep me out”

Yep, that’s narcissistic rage. You assumed that I should be under your control when you demanded it, and you rage when you realize that I’m not.

There’s the unhealthy core of this.

Playing the victim is unhealthy.

412 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:18:47am

I think one of these arguments started because I said that someone in the news seemed literally “retarded” (I even argued that in detail) and I was told that using that word, ever, was no longer acceptable.

That was an attempt to control me by taking a word out of my vocabulary. Not through convincing and argument but through disapproval, then insult ie. direct control. The assumption was that “no” could not be taken as an answer. That I have no freedom at all in the matter, it was decided for me.

You don’t call that an attempt at control? Of course it’s the demand for control.

413 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:19:39am

re: #411 makeitstop

I don’t care enough to feel the victim.

:)

That’s why they’re raging. I’m supposed to care deeply so I can be controlled.

414 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:20:22am

re: #413 stabby

I don’t care enough to feel the victim.

:)

That’s why they’re raging. I’m supposed to care deeply so I can be controlled.

Keep fucking that chicken.

415 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:20:50am

Aww 412 was an answer to FemNaziBitch who left while I was typing

416 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:21:08am

re: #414 Shvaughn

Lol, bye.

417 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:21:08am

re: #402 stabby

In short, disapproval is not communication of an idea, it’s an attempt to control.

I approve of communication, but that’s not what control is.

Yet you disapprove of people telling you “go fuck yourself” and “you creep me out” because you claim it’s “narcissistic rage” and the “unhealthy core of this”. That’s you trying to exert the very same type control you whine about.

So let me get this straight: Everyone should be forced to go by your rules, which are essentially that you and only you shouldn’t be bound by any rules, lest you get all self-righteous. That’s an amazing level pretzel logic and lack of self-awareness.

Grow the fuck up.

418 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:21:16am

re: #413 stabby

I don’t care enough to feel the victim.

:)

That’s why they’re raging. I’m supposed to care deeply so I can be controlled.

So, you’re here so you can display your indifference?

419 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:22:17am

re: #418 makeitstop

Sadly my other work this morning is a bit hard. I think I’m procrastinating.

420 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:22:52am

re: #418 makeitstop

So, you’re here so you can display your indifference?

I DON’T CARE I DON’T CARE HERE I AM NOT CARING LA LA LA YOU CAN’T CONTROL ME CUZ I DON’T CARE

repeat for another 20 comments…

421 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:23:02am

re: #412 stabby

I think one of these arguments started because I said that someone in the news seemed literally “retarded” (I even argued that in detail) and I was told that using that word, ever, was no longer acceptable.

That was an attempt to control me by taking a word out of my vocabulary. Not through convincing and argument but through disapproval, then insult ie. direct control. The assumption was that “no” could not be taken as an answer. That I have no freedom at all in the matter, it was decided for me.

You don’t call that an attempt at control? Of course it’s the demand for control.

Why do you assume it’s an attempt to control YOU?

Take a sampling of 100 random people and ask them is it appropriate to use the term “retarded”.

It’s an attempt to curb the use of the word, not an attempt to control you.

422 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:23:15am

re: #417 CuriousLurker

Everyone has their own theory about how we’re supposed to treat each other. We disagree and we clash.

423 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:23:23am

re: #418 makeitstop

So, you’re here so you can display your indifference?

Yes, he apparently cares deeply that we understand HE DOESN’T CARE.

424 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:24:46am

re: #421 geoffm33

It’s presumptuous. I never granted anyone here authority over my vocabulary. Who made you god?

425 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:25:00am

re: #421 geoffm33

Why do you assume it’s an attempt to control YOU?

Take a sampling of 100 random people and ask them is it appropriate to use the term “retarded”.

It’s an attempt to curb the use of the word, not an attempt to control you.

Why does he assume that? Well, he tipped his hand when started accusing his critics of “narcissistic rage.”

426 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:26:06am

re: #402 stabby

In short, disapproval is not communication of an idea, it’s an attempt to control.

I approve of communication, but that’s not what control is.

But you’re doing almost nothing but disapproving at this point. Every post of yours is disapproving of what other people are doing.

So… yeah.

427 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:26:15am

re: #422 stabby

Everyone has their own theory about how we’re supposed to treat each other. We disagree and we clash.

No, society has come up with a pretty good set of rules about civility. Perhaps you’d prefer living in a Libertarian paradise where anything goes, like, say, Somalia. //

428 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:26:31am

re: #425 Shvaughn

Why does he assume that? Well, he tipped his hand when started accusing his critics of “narcissistic rage.”

Tipped my hand? I have no idea what you’re talking about. Do YOU even know what you’re trying to say?

429 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:27:29am

re: #426 Obdicut

We don’t live in one society from one neighborhood to the next, and I doubt we even grew up in the same country.

Presumption!

430 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:28:56am

re: #424 stabby

It’s presumptuous. I never granted anyone here authority over my vocabulary. Who made you god?

answer the fcking question. I’ll repeat it:

Why do you assume it’s an attempt to control YOU?

Take a sampling of 100 random people and ask them is it appropriate to use the term “retarded”.

It’s an attempt to curb the use of the word, not an attempt to control you.

In your mind, the consensus of those 100 random people would be. “Use ‘retarded’ all you want, they are just trying to control your mind.”

431 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:29:53am

re: #429 stabby

We don’t live in one society from one neighborhood to the next, and I doubt we even grew up in the same country.

Presumption!

Your post has nothing at all to do with mine. Did you mean to address it to CL or something?

432 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:30:51am

Okay, I’m bored with watching stabby pee on the carpet like a puppy that hasn’t yet been house trained and can’t figure out why its nose keeps getting stuck in its own piss puddle. Time to stop encouraging his derp and move on. BBL.

433 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:31:14am

re: #430 geoffm33

I’m sure it would depend which people you surveyed, which country, city, college, level of education, class, age.

Lots of people have no trouble with that word.

You’ll have to live with the fact that I’m one of them because I never gave you control over my fingers.

434 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:31:52am

re: #432 CuriousLurker

Okay, I’m bored with watching stabby pee on the carpet like a puppy that hasn’t yet been house trained and can’t figure out why its nose keeps getting stuck in its own piss puddle. Time to stop encouraging his derp and move on. BBL.

Aww you disapprove.

that’s amusing.

435 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #431 Obdicut

Your post has nothing at all to do with mine. Did you mean to address it to CL or something?

You figured it out. I hit “reply” on the wrong post. Sorry.

436 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:33:55am

re: #435 stabby

You figured it out. I hit “reply” on the wrong post. Sorry.

No problem. Care to address the point I made? You’re being massively disapproving of everyone else’s behavior here, so… aren’t you kind of railing against yourself?

437 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:35:23am

re: #365 FemNaziBitch

Me either. I don’t have the patience for nursing, teaching or social work.

I think it requires a special balance of empathy for understanding the patient’s needs better, combined with a degree of antipathy in order to allow certain things to just “wash off” or at least be bearable.

I don’t fit the proper mindset at all.

438 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:35:29am

re: #433 stabby

I’m sure it would depend which people you surveyed, which country, city, college, level of education, class, age.

Lots of people have no trouble with that word.

You’ll have to live with the fact that I’m one of them because I never gave you control over my fingers.

But do you understand why a lot of people *do* have a problem with that word? And can you grasp the concept that people wanting you to use a different word are doing so for reasons other than trying to control you?

439 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:38:48am

re: #436 Obdicut

There are lots of paradoxes that work like that.

For instance in “The Open Society and Its Enemies” Popper argued that a society can’t survive as a tolerant society while simultaneously be tolerant of people who oppose tolerance.

I’m not going to worry about principles being consistently followed to the nth degree because that’s a kind of fallacious trap. I’ll stick to my actual beliefs.

440 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:39:19am

re: #424 stabby

It’s presumptuous. I never granted anyone here authority over my vocabulary. Who made you god?

That’s classic Walter there. :)

441 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:41:52am

re: #439 stabby

There are lots of paradoxes that work like that.

For instance in “The Open Society and Its Enemies” Popper argued that a society can’t survive as a tolerant society while simultaneously be tolerant of people who oppose tolerance.

I’m not going to worry about principles being consistently followed to the nth degree because that’s a kind of fallacious trap. I’ll stick to my actual beliefs.

Congrats, that actually made a small amount of sense. You’re against anyone ‘controlling’ what anyone else says unless they’re doing it to stop someone being ‘controlling’. Fine.

My original question still stands. It’s a question, not a request that you change your behavior. I’m asking you what you get out of acting in this manner. I completely accept there may be some benefit, either to you or society, or what have you. I’m just wondering what you think the benefit of being this abrasive is, why you do it.

Is there some reason for you to avoid that question?

442 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:44:15am

re: #441 Obdicut

I think I’m being fair. Your society’s presumption that you have the authority to dictate is also abrasive. You get back what you give me. You try to train me, I try to train you back.

May the best manipulator win!

443 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:48:09am

re: #442 stabby

Yeah, that answer didn’t make any sense. I don’t think I have the authority to dictate. I’m not trying to dictate. I find you being this hyped-up little aggressive stabby thing kind of funny, and I don’t mind if you keep doing it. It livens up a thread, and it’s not like anyone is going to start imitating you or anything.

I’m just honestly curious as to why you do it, and, from my perspective, you don’t actually have an answer. You might not even know yourself.

444 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:51:14am

re: #443 Obdicut

… I don’t think I have the authority to dictate. I’m not trying to dictate

You probably weren’t one of the people who said that it’s inappropriate to ever speculate that someone (in this case George Zimmerman) is literally retarded. Nor one who raged when I said that my vocabulary isn’t open to public amendment.

But a few people did. They presumed that authority.

445 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:53:28am

I think in that case you may have supported the people who were raging. Supporting OTHER people’s authority to dictate, and claiming it yourself might be a distinction without a difference.

446 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 10:56:02am

Stick to making actual arguments and keep away from attacking the person or the words and we won’t have these meta discussions anymore

447 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:00:32am

re: #446 stabby

Stick to making actual arguments and keep away from attacking the person or the words and we won’t have these meta discussions anymore

There’s a difference between attacking the person and attacking the words. Attacking the words may indeed be part of attacking the argument.

448 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:00:40am

re: #444 stabby

None of that explains why you’re refusing to tell me what you think you gain by being this abrasive.

449 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:02:09am

re: #445 stabby

I think in that case you may have supported the people who were raging. Supporting OTHER people’s authority to dictate, and claiming it yourself might be a distinction without a difference.

You do know this is an example of attacking him and not his words. He asked a specific question. What do you get out of being abrasive.

450 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:06:20am

re: #449 Jolo5309

I’ve answered that a few times.

I guess you don’t like my reasons well enough to even notice that I’ve given a few already.

Shrug.

451 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:08:09am

re: #450 stabby

I’ve answered that a few times.

I guess you don’t like my reasons well enough to even notice that I’ve given a few already.

Shrug.

I must be slow, can you repeat them for me please?

452 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:13:49am

re: #451 Jolo5309


#369
#442

I think those are the closest to reasons. I could quote me being offended by presumption too, but this page is too slow to search.

453 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:18:26am

re: #450 stabby

You haven’t actually answered it, beyond a very vague and abstract idea that behaving in a contrarian way is inherently good.

I’m starting to think you’re just a sophist.

454 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:22:20am

re: #453 Obdicut

We’re not acting differently. You’re actually one of the most abrasive people on this forum.

The only difference is that you have a posse at your back.

455 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:22:53am

re: #452 stabby

#369
#442

I think those are the closest to reasons. I could quote me being offended by presumption too, but this page is too slow to search.

You are abrasive because others are trying to be abrasive by dictating how you should act?

456 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:23:25am

re: #455 Jolo5309

That’s about right. Yes.

457 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:23:27am

re: #454 stabby

We’re not acting differently. You’re actually one of the most abrasive people on this forum.

The only difference is that you have a posse at your back.

Why do you think he has a posse and you don’t?

458 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:24:09am

re: #454 stabby

We are acting differently. I don’t say things like this:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

459 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:24:14am

But I’m also trying to reserve myself some rights that offend people, such as the right to disapprove of religion and cut it down, fundamentally.

460 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:25:29am

One can’t make deep critiques without offending a lot of people, so what’s the point in me trying for avoiding offense? I couldn’t say half of the idea I want to communicate.

461 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:26:09am

re: #459 stabby

But I’m also trying to reserve myself some rights that offend people, such as the right to disapprove of religion and cut it down, fundamentally.

I actually try to help you out with that, like when I point out your Robert Spencer-style “Islam is worse than all other religions!” idiocy actually gets in the way of a general criticism of religion.

I just backtracked to what started this, and it’s funny, it’s the other thing you do that mystifies me, your livejournal-esque posting.

462 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:26:48am

re: #459 stabby

But I’m also trying to reserve myself some rights that offend people, such as the right to disapprove of religion and cut it down, fundamentally.

You mean like “religion poisons everything”, or “throw the RC priests in jail, revoke their tax free status and sell the church to pay for their repeated continual raping of children”?

463 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:27:06am

re: #458 Obdicut

That was because I want to discourage the sort of manipulation that attempts to control with: “never say anything that can offend”

464 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:29:03am

re: #462 Jolo5309

Those aren’t as fundamental as my critiques.

Yesterday we had one of those discussions.

I claimed that “belief in hell” was a cause of deep psychological changes in people’s minds, is crippling both intellectually and emotionally, that imposing it is a kind of abuse and that its effects poison politics.

465 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:30:56am

re: #463 stabby

That was because I want to discourage the sort of manipulation that attempts to control with: “never say anything that can offend”

But wench wasn’t talking about being offensive. Your post was creepy, bizarre and inappropriate and weirdly self-centered, but she just called it ‘inappropriate’. I don’t think you meant to be offensive— I don’t think she did, either, which is why she suggested you need an editor.

466 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:31:01am

re: #464 stabby

Those aren’t as fundamental as my critiques.

Yesterday we had one of those discussions.

I claimed that “belief in hell” was a cause of deep psychological changes in people’s minds, is crippling both intellectually and emotionally, that imposing it is a kind of abuse and that its effects poison politics.

I thought that was common knowledge

467 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:31:39am

re: #461 Obdicut

Sigh the problem is that I do agree that Islam is worse.

I’d rather be right than hide the truth for the sake of being more convincing or because it’s socially expected.

468 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:32:06am

re: #466 Jolo5309

Well a lot of people were offended, of course.

But I guess we agree.

469 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:32:46am

re: #465 Obdicut

I see.

470 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:33:53am

re: #468 stabby

Well a lot of people were offended, of course.

But I guess we agree.

Being offensive by pointing out how evil religion can be and being abrasive by calling people retards are two different things.

471 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:35:07am

re: #467 stabby

Sigh the problem is that I do agree that Islam is worse.
.

I know you do. I know that you think that Muslims have to take it literally, therefore it’s worse. I know that you ignore Christian and Muslim history in order to make this claim. I know you think you’re really brave for sticking to your guns— or you’re a sophist, that’s still possible.

And don’t worry about being convincing; your argument, as an old Robert Spencer one, has been trashed years and years ago and you’ve brought absolutely nothing new to the table.

But this isn’t about your extremely blinkered and bigoted views that raise Christianity above Islam, it’s about your choice to be aggressively abraisive— like telling people you don’t give a crap what they say. It’s really pointless behavior, especially since you immediately disprove that.

472 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:35:58am

re: #470 Jolo5309

I was calling George Zimmerman “retarded” not “a retard” and I did so because he acts seriously weird.

He’s a man who called emergency services when he saw a “7 to 9” year old black boy walking in his neighborhood and stalks the child with a gun in his pocket. That’s not normal behavior.

473 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:38:29am

re: #472 stabby

It’s also not normal to respond to a story about people getting sterilized with a story about your friend’s cat being sterilized and then getting infected wounds.

474 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:38:53am

re: #472 stabby

If we are back to this, can you answer my #438

475 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:39:20am

re: #471 Obdicut

What Islam is vs. what Christianity is is a statistical question not a question of principle. It’s a question about the real world and what people’s actual attitudes are. It’s also a question about the dynamics of the books and teachings that lead to this real world situation.

Claiming that the religions are equal is sophistry, it’s a statement of principle and wishful thinking that doesn’t accurately describe the situation in reality.

476 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:39:57am

re: #467 stabby

Sigh the problem is that I do agree that Islam is worse.

I’d rather be right than hide the truth for the sake of being more convincing or because it’s socially expected.

Good to know that you’re an unapologetic bigot and defender of Robert Spencer’s ideas about Islam.

477 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:44:32am

re: #438 geoffm33

But do you understand why a lot of people *do* have a problem with that word? And can you grasp the concept that people wanting you to use a different word are doing so for reasons other than trying to control you?

It’s because the word got corrupted from the clinical “retarded” to the epithet “retard”

I don’t think it’s reasonable to throw out a word just because there’s another word that corrupts it. And I think that a lot of people agree with me that the word is not a problem when used correctly.

478 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:44:43am

re: #475 stabby

What Islam is vs. what Christianity is is a statistical question not a question of principle. It’s a question about the real world and what people’s actual attitudes are. It’s also a question about the dynamics of the books and teachings that lead to this real world situation.

Yep. It’s also a question of history, too, since both these religions have been around for a long time.

Claiming that the religions are equal is sophistry, it’s a statement of principle and wishful thinking that doesn’t accurately describe the situation in reality.

I didn’t claim they were equal. Historically, Christianity has been worse, but not by a ton. Arguably, a lot of what was wrong with Christian countries was actually a holdover from Roman society, and not directly attributable to Christianity. In the present day, there’s not a lot to choose between them— Islam currently has a lot more violent and dangerous radicals, but Christians, specifically Christians in the US, are following policies that are literally dooming human civilization, and directly using religion to defend their actions. I don’t have any illusions that if the religions of the countries of the West and the Middle East were reversed that the Christian Middle East wouldn’t use Christianity to justify terrorism.

479 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:47:10am

re: #477 stabby

There is basically no chance Zimmerman is clinically retarded, since the definition of that was sub-70 IQ, and he clearly has more than that.

480 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:50:00am

re: #479 Obdicut

There is basically no chance Zimmerman is clinically retarded, since the definition of that was sub-70 IQ, and he clearly has more than that.

Exactly. Plus, when every 15 year old in America thinks something is ‘Gay’ or ‘Retarded’ when they mean something entirely different, it’s not unreasonable to request that we curb it’s use.

481 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:52:58am

re: #478 Obdicut

Yep. It’s also a question of history, too, since both these religions have been around for a long time.

I didn’t claim they were equal. Historically, Christianity has been worse, but not by a ton. Arguably, a lot of what was wrong with Christian countries was actually a holdover from Roman society, and not directly attributable to Christianity. In the present day, there’s not a lot to choose between them— Islam currently has a lot more violent and dangerous radicals, but Christians, specifically Christians in the US, are following policies that are literally dooming human civilization, and directly using religion to defend their actions. I don’t have any illusions that if the religions of the countries of the West and the Middle East were reversed that the Christian Middle East wouldn’t use Christianity to justify terrorism.

That’s a lot to digest.

I certainly don’t see this: “I don’t have any illusions that if the religions of the countries of the West and the Middle East were reversed that the Christian Middle East wouldn’t use Christianity to justify terrorism.” If the “religions were reversed”? In what way is the situation NOT determined by the religions?

As for the history of one being worse than the other, you DO realize that Islam started out with the genocide in Medina, and with Mohammad killing his critics and killing and enslaving their families. That’s not the history of the religion, that’s the example of the prophet at the root of the religion. You’ll note the lack of Jews around Medina, despite the fact that it was a Jewish city. Who do you think killed the Jews over that whole area, way back then?

We just had a genocide in Bangladesh in the 70s, one that no one is apologizing for. We had another in Turkey/Armenia, one where yet again, if you criticize that genocide in Turkey, you’ll be arrested. I suspect that centuries back there was a massive genocide around India that people don’t want to talk about because the result of talking would be more violence, not contrition.

Are you SURE that the history of Christianity is worse?

482 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:53:53am

re: #481 stabby

If the “religions were reversed”? In what way is the situation NOT determined by the religions?

Holy shit.

You think the reason the Middle East is the way it is, and the West is the way it is, is because the West has Christianity and the Middle East had Islam?

That’s your actual no-shit position?

483 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:54:50am

re: #482 Obdicut

Well because we could recover from Christianity and they can’t recover from Islam. Close enough.

484 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:55:26am

re: #481 stabby

Are you SURE that the history of Christianity is worse?

Oh, absolutely. Except, unlike you, I don’t actually think it was because of Christianity. But yeah, the history of the Christian countries has a much higher death toll than that of the Muslim ones. Much much higher. And much higher in terms of genocides, too.

485 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:56:29am

re: #483 stabby

Well because we could recover from Christianity and they can’t recover from Islam. Close enough.

Wow. You actually think religion is that ovverridingly important, and you really are that bigoted against Muslims.

Enlightening. The good news is I don’t think you’re a sophist anymore. I believe that you’re honestly this way.

486 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 11:59:29am

In Malaysia, the outgoing president Mahathir Mohamad made a speech saying that the concept of “human rights” was a Jewish conspiracy so that people could be manipulated into thinking that killing [all of the] Jews was wrong.

He said that in a country that has no Jews, where people have never met a Jew, simply because Jew-hatred is super popular. Because he, (and many Muslims) believe Hadiths (saying of Mohammad) that make genocide against the Jews a duty that God is waiting for Muslims to fulfill.

487 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:01:20pm

re: #485 Obdicut

Blaming Islam is not the same thing as being “bigoted against Muslims.”

488 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:02:39pm

re: #483 stabby

Well because we could recover from Christianity and they can’t recover from Islam. Close enough.

re: #486 stabby

In Malaysia, the outgoing president Mahathir Mohamad made a speech saying that the concept of “human rights” was a Jewish conspiracy so that people could be manipulated into thinking that killing [all of the] Jews was wrong.

He said that in a country that has no Jews, where people have never met a Jew, simply because Jew-hatred is super popular. Because he, (and many Muslims) believe Hadiths (saying of Mohammad) that make genocide against the Jews a duty that God is waiting for Muslims to fulfill.

Go fuck yourself, you bigoted POS. You’re every bit as foul & ignorant as the assholes you’re railing against.

489 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:03:15pm

re: #488 CuriousLurker

re: #486 stabby

Go fuck yourself, you bigoted POS. You’re every bit as foul & ignorant as the assholes you’re railing against.

How do you figure?

490 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:04:29pm

re: #489 stabby

How do you figure?

Fuck off, hater.

491 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:04:39pm

Obdicut, I’d like you to explain how the situation between the Middle East and west could, hypothetically, be reversed without reversing the religions.

492 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:04:59pm

re: #490 CuriousLurker

Fuck off, hater.

Argument isn’t your forte.

493 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:05:23pm

re: #492 stabby

Argument isn’t your forte.

Fuck off, hater.

494 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:06:04pm

re: #483 stabby

Well because we could recover from Christianity and they can’t recover from Islam. Close enough.

Something that works against your position, Muslims are rebelling against their governments, who are being supported by the Western governments.

495 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:06:35pm

re: #493 CuriousLurker

You’re projecting.

It was Mahathir Mohamad’s speech that was full of hatred because hatred made him popular. It wasn’t my speech, it wasn’t my hatred.

496 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:06:59pm

re: #495 stabby

You’re projecting.

It was Mahathir Mohamad’s speech that was full of hatred because hatred made him popular. It wasn’t my speech, it wasn’t my hatred.

Fuck off, hater.

497 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:07:10pm

re: #487 stabby

Blaming Islam is not the same thing as being “bigoted against Muslims.”

Yeah, Pam Gellar doesn’t hate Muslims, she just hates Islam. I don’t get why people don’t understand. Why, you just think Islam is an irresistibly corruptive influence that explains why the Middle East is a war-wracked country, whereas the supposed superiority of Christianity— not, say, the Enlightenment or WWII or anything— is why Europe, after a horrifically war-torn and very Christian past, has very, very, very, very, very recently stopped being a hellscape battleground.

That makes total sense, dude, we’re all just idiots who are jealous of how brave you are.

498 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:10:29pm

re: #491 stabby

Obdicut, I’d like you to explain how the situation between the Middle East and west could, hypothetically, be reversed without reversing the religions.

Easy. The west, with Islam, has the same people born into it, and the same guys— the Enlightenment thinkers— cause a massive reformation of Islam to deal with this secularism. Since Islam often had secular flowerings before, this is obviously possible. Meanwhile, the center of intellectual activity in Christianity gets sacked, and most of the major kingdoms destroyed in a gigantic invasion. After that, Christianity gets neo-colonized a lot and the Muslim world, after hundreds of years of bloody war in Europe, culminates in WWII, and in the aftermath, nuclear deterrence holds a fragile peace over Europe. etc. etc.

499 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:11:15pm

re: #494 Jolo5309

I am deeply proud of the rebellion in Iran, though it hasn’t succeeded.

I’m less happy with the toothless rebellion in Egypt where the secular, non-regime citizens came out into the streets but never gained any power.

Tunisia was an improvement, though oppression of the Jews who live there is part and parcel of the new regime.

Saudi Arabia sits on a sea of oppressed Shiites the way Iraq did.

I’m not sure how this all contradicts my problem with the religion. I hope for the best, but for instance don’t believe that peace with Israel is possible, and don’t believe that Jews and non-ruling-elite Muslim sects will ever be treated as human in most Middle Eastern countries

500 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:11:28pm

I think its the 30 years war that really shows Christianity’s superiority to me.

501 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:12:03pm

re: #497 Obdicut

Yeah, Pam Gellar doesn’t hate Muslims, she just hates Islam. I don’t get why people don’t understand. Why, you just think Islam is an irresistibly corruptive influence that explains why the Middle East is a war-wracked country, whereas the supposed superiority of Christianity— not, say, the Enlightenment or WWII or anything— is why Europe, after a horrifically war-torn and very Christian past, has very, very, very, very, very recently stopped being a hellscape battleground.

That makes total sense, dude, we’re all just idiots who are jealous of how brave you are.

No, she’s a paranoid hater.

So?

502 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:15:18pm

re: #501 stabby

So the difference between the Middle East and Europe can better be explained by the history of the Enlightenment— which still didn’t stop radical Christians from enacting the Holocaust— and the political history of the post-WWII period than it can some ginned up fundamental difference in the religions based on a stupid idea that Muslims have to take the Koran ‘literally’— an idea that’s shown to be facile from the sheer existence of the disparate branches of the Muslim faith.

503 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:16:31pm

re: #501 stabby

No, she’s a paranoid hater.

So are you, you mental fucking midget.

504 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:18:37pm

re: #503 CuriousLurker

Come back when you’re capable of making an argument.

505 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:20:56pm

re: #504 stabby

Come back when you’re capable of making an argument.

Go fuck yourself, bigot.

506 Jolo5309  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:23:36pm

re: #499 stabby

I am deeply proud of the rebellion in Iran, though it hasn’t succeeded.

Iran might not have been an Islam controlled nation if not for the West.

507 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:29:20pm

Well in the current situation almost everyone in the Middle east plays the same game that Mahathir Mohamad did.

Iran courts popularity/acceptance among Sunnis by emphasizing their Jew hatred. The Syrian regime tried the same trick. Hezbollah does the same.

I’ve seen the same in Jordan and Lebanon. Only the Kurds are exempt.

The situation is that hatred of a scapegoat is the only glue that holds the societies in a whole region together. And sectarian violence and oppression between everyone else is the major factor driving all politics, in all decisions. And there is a lack of concept that there is a common humanity.

Whatever the history, that’s the current situation.

It may not get better. It could even deteriorate.

508 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:30:36pm

re: #507 stabby

Go fuck yourself, bigot.

509 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:30:47pm

re: #506 Jolo5309

Iran might not have been an Islam controlled nation if not for the West.

And yet, a majority of Egyptians may crave making the same mistake: an unforced error.

510 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:31:14pm

re: #509 stabby

Go fuck yourself, bigot.

511 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:38:45pm

You know, if I wrote “fuck off” 1/10 as many times as CuriousLurker and for 10 times more reason I’m sure I’d be banned.

512 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:42:37pm

re: #511 stabby

You know, if I wrote “fuck off” 1/10 as many times as CuriousLurker and for 10 times more reason I’m sure I’d be banned.

And if I spouted asinine, bigoted crap 1/10 as many times as you did and expressed support for Robert Spencer’s positions on Islam, I’m sure I’d be banned. So go fuck yourself, bigot.

513 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:43:50pm

re: #512 CuriousLurker

I don’t think I’m talking about Robert Spencer.

He’s a sectarian himself, just of the Catholic variety.

514 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:43:50pm

re: #511 stabby

You know, if I wrote “fuck off” 1/10 as many times as CuriousLurker and for 10 times more reason I’m sure I’d be banned.

There are really good reasons why that’s true, and not one chance that you would understand them.

515 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:46:42pm

re: #514 wrenchwench

Do you feel like throwing a tantrum in defense of Mahathir Mohamad as well?

516 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:49:20pm

re: #515 stabby

Do you feel like throwing a tantrum in defense of Mahathir Mohamad as well?

If you would consider me telling you to fuck off a tantrum, then yes, but not in defense of anyone else. It would merely be my attempt to coercivly control your behavior by expressing my disapproval.

/

517 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:51:20pm

re: #513 stabby

I don’t think I’m talking about Robert Spencer.

Go fuck yourself, lying bigot.

re: #461 Obdicut

I actually try to help you out with that, like when I point out your Robert Spencer-style “Islam is worse than all other religions!” idiocy actually gets in the way of a general criticism of religion.

I just backtracked to what started this, and it’s funny, it’s the other thing you do that mystifies me, your livejournal-esque posting.

re: #467 stabby

Sigh the problem is that I do agree that Islam is worse.

I’d rather be right than hide the truth for the sake of being more convincing or because it’s socially expected.

518 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:53:37pm

re: #517 CuriousLurker

I have a single point of agreement with Spencer? Proving?

Spencer also told an interviewer that Catholicism is the solution to all of the world’s problems and would bring peace to the planet.

I don’t think our agreement goes very deep.

519 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:56:07pm

re: #518 stabby

I have a single point of agreement with Spencer? Proving?

Spencer also told an interviewer that Catholicism is the solution to all of the world’s problems and would bring peace to the planet.

I don’t think our agreement goes very deep.

How deep it goes is irrelevant when the agreement goes to the nature of your bigotry.

520 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 12:57:07pm

re: #518 stabby

I have a single point of agreement with Spencer? Proving?

Proving that you’re an ignorant bigot when it comes to Islam & Muslims. That’s deep enough for me to tell you to go fuck yourself, bigot.

521 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:00:35pm

re: #519 wrenchwench

Modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art, even sexual rights, these things are only possible after the power and assumptions of religion are broken.

Christianity has been partially tamed.

Islam has not and thus it is mostly a source of oppression, bigotry and death.

The world can not have peace, modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art and sexual rights until religion is broken.

Thus criticizing religion is not bigotry, it’s our duty to humanity.

522 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:03:52pm

re: #521 stabby

Modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art, even sexual rights, these things are only possible after the power and assumptions of religion are broken.

Christianity has been partially tamed.

Islam has not and thus it is mostly a source of oppression, bigotry and death.

The world can not have peace, modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art and sexual rights until religion is broken.

Thus criticizing religion is not bigotry, it’s our duty to humanity.

Bigotry against religion is certainly not a duty. I am an atheist, but I respect religious people as I respect all people. You for some reason feel free to disrespect people, and at the same time feel like you are doing them some kind of favor. You are the kind of person I have the least respect for.

523 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:04:33pm

And besides that, I don’t think you’re very smart.

524 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:05:44pm

re: #522 wrenchwench

And if those people’s beliefs are going to bring misery, hatred, oppression, war and death for generations, you still find respecting those beliefs preferable?

What of the future?

525 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:09:55pm

re: #521 stabby

Modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art, even sexual rights, these things are only possible after the power and assumptions of religion are broken.

Christianity has been partially tamed.

Islam has not and thus it is mostly a source of oppression, bigotry and death.

The world can not have peace, modernity, meaningful democracy, science, women’s rights, tolerance, art and sexual rights until religion is broken.

Thus criticizing religion is not bigotry, it’s our duty to humanity.

Oh, I see, your bigotry is humanitarian, like Pamela Geller’s. Paranoid, delusional bigots, both of you.

re: #524 stabby

And if those people’s beliefs are going to bring misery, hatred, oppression, war and death for generations, you still find respecting those beliefs preferable?

What of the future?

If your brand of ignorant hubris is “the future”, we’re hopelessly screwed. Go fuck yourself, bigot.

526 klys  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:10:53pm

re: #524 stabby

Do you really think the future would be a utopia if all religion disappeared?

527 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:12:25pm

re: #526 klys

There would be peace, rationality and hatred would die out.

Ask yourself why we are not seeing “the end of history” why there is war and genocide in our future.

528 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:12:51pm

re: #526 klys

Do you really think the future would be a utopia if all religion disappeared?

Or that new ones wouldn’t be invented to take the place of the old.

529 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:15:26pm

Can anyone even imagine how to make a peaceful outcome in Syria?

no

530 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:15:57pm

re: #524 stabby

And if those people’s beliefs are going to bring misery, hatred, oppression, war and death for generations, you still find respecting those beliefs preferable?

What of the future?

You are bringing misery, hatred, and oppression right now, and you didn’t need religion to do it. You seem to be enjoying it too, which I find unforgivable.

You are not smart enough to see that religion is not needed to prosecute war and genocide. You’re using religion as a scapegoat to avoid seeing the hate in yourself.

531 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:16:53pm

re: #527 stabby

There would be peace, rationality and hatred would die out.

Ask yourself why we are not seeing “the end of history” why there is war and genocide in our future.

ROFL, riiiiight. I guess this chart is all wrong. The stupid, it burns.

532 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:17:13pm

re: #530 wrenchwench

You are bringing misery, hatred, and oppression right now, and you didn’t need religion to do it. You seem to be enjoying it too, which I find unforgivable.

Now that’s projection.

You don’t want to consider my point of view, so you project all the worlds problems on me.

533 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:18:22pm

re: #532 stabby

Now that’s projection.

You don’t want to consider my point of view, so you project all the worlds problems on me.

No, you project all the world’s problems onto Islam, you fucking bigot.

534 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:18:41pm

re: #527 stabby

There would be peace, rationality and hatred would die out.

Ask yourself why we are not seeing “the end of history” why there is war and genocide in our future.

FFS, this is ridiculous. Religion is not the source of all the world ills. It is not 100% negative either.

535 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:19:51pm

re: #534 EPR-radar

FFS, this is ridiculous. Religion is not the source of all the world ills. It is not 100% negative either.

It’s just another part of culture and society. I don’t get why there are atheists who treat religion like it’s something special. It’s kind of the reverse of the point.

536 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:20:49pm

re: #532 stabby

Now that’s projection.

You don’t want to consider my point of view, so you project all the worlds problems on me.

I considered your point of view and found is repellant. You think you’re the first person to rail against religion like you do? Far from it. I’ve been thinking about this much longer than just today.

I held up a mirror, and you don’t want to look.

537 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:22:19pm

Religious hatred isn’t abating in the Islamic world, not yet. The reason there’s such a push back against criticizing the Armenian genocide, the reason few criticize the Bangledesh one is that Islamists want to protect their privilege to commit genocide.

On the other side Nazism is dead. Stalinism is dead.
It’s easier for secular culture to adapt and learn.

Isn’t genocide and war more likely from those people who are currently protecting their moral privilege to commit it?

538 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:22:46pm

re: #536 wrenchwench

I considered your point of view and found is repellant. You think you’re the first person to rail against religion like you do? Far from it. I’ve been thinking about this much longer than just today.

I held up a mirror, and you don’t want to look.

Anti-religion views have been put into practice by force (e.g., French Revolution, Russian Revolution) with dismal results.

539 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:23:08pm

re: #536 wrenchwench

saying that you have an opinion is not an argument for that opinion

540 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:25:23pm

re: #538 EPR-radar

The ultimate result of the French revolution was the end of the power of aristocracy in Europe and the invention of modern liberal democracy. It just didn’t happen in a single step.

541 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:26:06pm

re: #537 stabby

On the other side Nazism is dead. Stalinism is dead.
It’s easier for secular culture to adapt and learn.

It is strange to assume that the evils of the 20th century cannot recur in a secular setting. If Europe falls apart due to the debt issues, we may see how this plays out for real. Already, extremist politics is on the rise in Europe, and much of it is more nationalist than religious.

542 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:28:34pm

re: #540 stabby

The ultimate result of the French revolution was the end of the power of aristocracy in Europe and the invention of modern liberal democracy. It just didn’t happen in a single step.

The suppression (violent or otherwise) of religion is not necessary to attain these ends.

543 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:30:00pm

re: #539 stabby

saying that you have an opinion is not an argument for that opinion

You don’t have any facts to back up your opinions either. You have some stupid preconceptions you picked up from somewhere and regurgitated here without identified sources, and I am rejecting your bullshit.

By the way, you haven’t let me know yet whether I’ve said something you’re interested in.

544 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:32:54pm

re: #543 wrenchwench

I mentioned a few massacres, genocides, attitudes toward genocide, the politics of scapegoating and hatred, the politics of sectarian oppression, I mentioned the oppression of women, the thwarting of modernity. You responded to none of those salient facts. But facts they are.

545 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:34:33pm

re: #541 EPR-radar

It is strange to assume that the evils of the 20th century cannot recur in a secular setting. If Europe falls apart due to the debt issues, we may see how this plays out for real. Already, extremist politics is on the rise in Europe, and much of it is more nationalist than religious.

I repeat “Isn’t genocide and war more likely from those people who are currently protecting their moral privilege to commit it?”

546 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #544 stabby

Too bad you aren’t able to pull your bigoted head out of your ass for long enough to realize that Muslims are far more likely to die from Islamist attacks than non-Muslims, but by all means please keep clinging to your bigotry and ignoring the facts.

[Link: www.ctc.usma.edu…]

Next you’ll be claiming that your “concern” is for Muslims. Your ignorance and capacity for self-deception is appalling. I can’t stand the sight of you for one more second. I’m out of there, somebody DM or me when this fucking concern troll logs off.

547 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:38:05pm

re: #538 EPR-radar

Anti-religion views have been put into practice by force (e.g., French Revolution, Russian Revolution) with dismal results.

I have only supported oppose religion by argument, and even that is too much for you.

You leave no options open at all!

548 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:38:06pm

re: #544 stabby

I mentioned a few massacres, genocides, attitudes toward genocide, the politics of scapegoating and hatred, the politics of sectarian oppression, I mentioned the oppression of women, the thwarting of modernity. You responded to none of those salient facts. But facts they are.

You claim this litany is due to religion. Where’s your evidence? Where’s your evidence that this is how it will be in the future with religion, and it will be very different without religion? Those are the claims I’m rejecting.

Bring links or some kind of citations.

549 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:38:48pm

re: #545 stabby

I repeat “Isn’t genocide and war more likely from those people who are currently protecting their moral privilege to commit it?”

Why are you assuming that the only justification that genociders and war mongers can/will use is religion?

Yes, religion is commonly used for that purpose. So what. If I wave my magic wand and get rid of all religion, war and genocide will not thereby be eliminated.

Other justifications will be called upon. Tribe, class, nationality, grudges from earlier wars etc.

550 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:39:20pm

re: #547 stabby

I have only supported oppose religion by argument, and even that is too much for you.

You leave no options open at all!

?

551 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:41:28pm

re: #546 CuriousLurker

Too bad you aren’t able to pull your bigoted head out of your ass for long enough to realize that Muslims are far more likely to die from Islamist attacks than non-Muslims

I’ve always said that, so the hell what?

The major oppression is between neighbors. Muslims of different sects, or even the same sect.

The BIG showy hatred, the Antisemitism etc. is mostly for show, it’s the far away, civilized safe target. It’s the escape valve.

You assume that I’m naive in ways that are irrelevant to my actual points.

552 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:43:58pm

re: #550 wrenchwench

Isn’t your whole argument that insulting religion is unacceptable bigotry?

How are you going to reduce the power of religion if no one is allowed to criticize it, to insult its assumptions, its authority?

553 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:47:56pm

re: #552 stabby

Isn’t your whole argument that insulting religion is unacceptable bigotry?

How are you going to reduce the power of religion if no one is allowed to criticize it, to insult its assumptions, its authority?

No, disrespecting people is unacceptable. I didn’t say anything about reducing the power of religion. If you think I’m on your side in some way just because I’m an atheist, you are wrong.

554 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:49:08pm

re: #551 stabby

You assume that I’m naive in ways that are irrelevant to my actual points.

You are naive in ways that are pertinent to your actual points.

555 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:54:05pm

re: #553 wrenchwench

No, disrespecting people is unacceptable. I didn’t say anything about reducing the power of religion. If you think I’m on your side in some way just because I’m an atheist, you are wrong.

Merely calling opposition to religion “disrespecting people” doesn’t negate a single argument I made about your position or about religion.

Pretending to be too dumb to follow an argument isn’t a meaningful argument.

556 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:55:25pm

re: #549 EPR-radar

Why are you assuming that the only justification that genociders and war mongers can/will use is religion?

Yes, religion is commonly used for that purpose. So what. If I wave my magic wand and get rid of all religion, war and genocide will not thereby be eliminated.

Other justifications will be called upon. Tribe, class, nationality, grudges from earlier wars etc.

As far as I know, the only currently widely popular ideology that is calling for genocide is Islamism.

“The only currently widely popular ideology” See, this is about reality. It’s about what’s going on out in the real world right now. What is here now is here now. What only could be, doesn’t exist now and would take time to arise.

If you ask, “why is the future likely to have wars,” I think “Islam” is the answer.

557 EPR-radar  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:55:26pm

re: #552 stabby

Isn’t your whole argument that insulting religion is unacceptable bigotry?

How are you going to reduce the power of religion if no one is allowed to criticize it, to insult its assumptions, its authority?

How is the goal of reducing the power/influence of radical Islamists (which is a goal I agree with) advanced by broad-brushing Islam/religion as the essential root of the problem?

Less radical measures, like promoting the notion of separation of church and state in the Islamic world, discrediting the extremists as being unfaithful to the better aspects of the own tradition, and aiding Islamic moderates, would surely be more effective.

558 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:56:42pm

Later, stabby. I’ll let you know if you say something I care about.

559 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 1:57:44pm

re: #557 EPR-radar

Ok how about a two pronged approach.

The polite people can try to work inside the Muslim system, and the secular radicals can try to force subversive ideas into these cultures which will destroy the foundations of Islamism and bring much deeper freedom, eventually.

560 stabby  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 2:00:56pm

Time for me to take a break.

561 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 5:31:54pm

Good freaking grief.

562 CuriousLurker  Thu, Feb 7, 2013 9:12:19pm

re: #561 Charles Johnson

Good freaking grief.

I apologize for my part in contributing to letting this drag on & on. I should know better by now than to engage certain people—I do know better, but there are some days when I go honey badger because… I. Can’t. Take. One. More. Slur.


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