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The creation fable from the viewpoint of man’s best friend
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Nominated for an Academy Award for Best Animated Short Film
Winner of the 2012 Annie Award for Best Animated Short Subject

“Watching director Minkyu Lee’s painterly vision of the dawn of man and first bond forged with man’s best friends puts you in a musing museum state of mind. Lee captures the unfettered joy of discovery and how that feeling changes and expands when you’re no longer alone.”
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172 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:06:45pm

I love how all the action in the Bible version takes place offstage in this.

2 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:18:02pm

Meanwhile, back in the land of London derrieres, Killgore is still making up random shit.

3 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:24:22pm

re: #2 Shvaughn

The LAPD just announced that they’re going to reopen Dorner’s case.

That’s what I predicted. Some of what Dorner wrote in his whacked out manifesto sounded like it could very well be true, and the bureaucracy is now leaping into action.

BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) — The hunt in the snowy mountains for a former Los Angeles police officer suspected in three killings continued Saturday as police announced they will reopen the disciplinary proceedings that led to the fugitive’s firing.

Officials will particularly re-examine Christopher Dorner’s allegations that his law enforcement career was undone by racist colleagues, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck told KCBS-TV. He also urged Dorner to surrender.

“If he was to give himself up, we’d be happy to hear what he has to say,” Beck said.

4 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:26:28pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The LAPD just announced that they’re going to reopen Dorner’s case.

That’s what I predicted. Some of what Dorner wrote in his whacked out manifesto sounded like it could very well be true, and the bureaucracy is now leaping into action.

Obviously the LAPD is in on the kos kidz conspiracy theorizing.

5 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:38:13pm

re: #4 Shvaughn

Obviously the LAPD is in on the kos kidz conspiracy theorizing.

He might be wrong about labeling Daily Kos with this but he is right about the moonbats eating this shit up.

6 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:39:11pm

The most chilling, godawful thing about the Dorner case so far is that threatening people’s children appears to have been an effective strategy. One man has put the entire LAPD and other regional agencies into an abject panic. They’re shooting up innocent people in trucks, you can’t find motorcycle cops anymore, they put them all in cars. One man, and he’s got them, on a systemic institutional / organizational level, absolutely terrified.

7 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:39:40pm

re: #5 Gus

He might be wrong about labeling Daily Kos with this but he is right about the moonbats eating this shit up.

I haven’t seen anyone say he’s a hero. Some facebook pages were reported but I don’t think we can really tell their political leanings all that well, not enough to generalize to “moonbats” as a group.

8 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:40:53pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

The most chilling, godawful thing about the Dorner case so far is that threatening people’s children appears to have been an effective strategy. One man has put the entire LAPD and other regional agencies into an abject panic. They’re shooting up innocent people in trucks, you can’t find motorcycle cops anymore, they put them all in cars. One man, and he’s got them, on a systemic institutional / organizational level, absolutely terrified.

He’s a very effective terrorist. And it’s also why Superman doesn’t reveal his secret identity — for fear that people near him will get attacked.

Dorner is basically the closest thing we have to supervillain. It’s scary.

9 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:41:24pm

re: #7 Shvaughn

I haven’t seen anyone say he’s a hero. Some facebook pages were reported but I don’t think we can really tell their political leanings all that well, not enough to generalize to “moonbats” as a group.

Yeah, I know. We should only criticize wingnuts but moonbats get a free pass.

10 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:44:10pm
11 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:44:19pm

re: #9 Gus

Yeah, I know. We should only criticize wingnuts but moonbats get a free pass.

I didn’t say that, did I?

You and Trout are both free to link to examples of moonbats hero-worshiping Dorner. I’ll happily criticize them for it — I’ve already posted in a thread here about being horrified by the pro-Dorner facebook pages.

But to try to make this about “wingnuts vs moonbats” is pointless. Nobody sane supports what this guy is doing, regardless of their political views.

12 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:46:16pm

re: #4 Shvaughn

Obviously the LAPD is in on the kos kidz conspiracy theorizing.

I cringe when I read the oh I’m so superior “koz kidz” opening. Those were the ole days, when torture was good.

13 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:49:15pm

re: #5 Gus

He might be wrong about labeling Daily Kos with this but he is right about the moonbats eating this shit up.

Two-thirds moonbat, here, and I’m not lapping anything up.

For your personal enjoyment—a beautiful Moonbat:

14 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:49:26pm

Here’s a story with links to people supporting/rooting for/hero worshiping Dorner. They don’t seem to be to be the typical moonbats we criticize here.

I wonder how many of them are trolling, as well.

15 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:51:42pm

re: #14 Shvaughn

Here’s a story with links to people supporting/rooting for/hero worshiping Dorner.

One of the twitter guys quoted in that story who supported Dorner retracted his statement when he got more facts on the case:

16 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:52:03pm

re: #14 Shvaughn

Here’s a story with links to people supporting/rooting for/hero worshiping Dorner. They don’t seem to be to be the typical moonbats we criticize here.

I wonder how many of them are trolling, as well.

It’s another social media (blog comment, twitter, facebook) push of misinfo. Many people will repeat the ‘fact’ that demoncrats like Dorner, it goes on and on and on.

pitiful, hateful, anti people bullshit.

17 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:53:16pm

re: #16 Skeetghazi

It’s another social media (blog comment, twitter, facebook) push of misinfo. Many people will repeat the ‘fact’ that demoncrats like Dorner, it goes on and on and on.

pitiful, hateful, anti people bullshit.

and KT brought it to LGF. Gracias, once again.

18 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:53:33pm

re: #8 Shvaughn

He’s a very effective terrorist. And it’s also why Superman doesn’t reveal his secret identity — for fear that people near him will get attacked.

Dorner is basically the closest thing we have to supervillain. It’s scary.

The Koch brothers are supervillians. Dorner is just a case study in why giving cops private purchase rights unavailable to civilians is a bad idea. All equipment should be provided by and taken back by the agencies that employ cops. There’s no reason to give them enhanced rights like Feinstein’s bill does, exempt their private purchases from compliance with the law, allow retired cops to hold onto toys that civilians can’t otherwise possess. In my opinion this kind of worship of power is antithetical to a properly functioning democracy.

19 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:53:46pm

re: #15 Shvaughn

One of the twitter guys quoted in that story who supported Dorner retracted his statement when he got more facts on the case:

If you don’t want people to think you’re a fucking retarded asshole, don’t tweet shit that makes you sound like a retarded asshole.

20 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:54:37pm

re: #19 darthstar

If you don’t want people to think you’re a fucking retarded asshole, don’t tweet shit that makes you sound like a retarded asshole.

Oh, I think the guy’s a fucking asshole for tweeting that. But I don’t think it’s part of a case of widespread moonbat hero worship of a murderer.

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:54:39pm

re: #15 Shvaughn

One of the twitter guys quoted in that story who supported Dorner retracted his statement when he got more facts on the case:

How is deciding to kill people’s whole families to “get even” with them not psycho?

22 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:55:49pm

re: #21 Kragar

How is deciding to kill people’s whole families to “get even” with them not psycho?

Because it’s evil, not psycho.

If Dorner were truly psycho, he wouldn’t really be responsible for his actions, would he? He seems fully sane, fully rational, and fully evil to me.

23 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:56:17pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The LAPD just announced that they’re going to reopen Dorner’s case.

That’s what I predicted. Some of what Dorner wrote in his whacked out manifesto sounded like it could very well be true, and the bureaucracy is now leaping into action.

The problem now with this bizarro-Serpico scenario is that any of Dorner’s allegations that institutional racism and bigotry in the LAPD ultimately cost him his job is going to be tempered by his terrorist, murderous actions against his former colleagues and their families. That’s not only going to give those with a vested interest in sweeping those allegations under the rug reason the shoot the messenger (as it were), they’re gonna blow the messenger up with a cement truck full of ANFO and say that Dorner’s accusations have little/no credibility.

My prediction is that Dorner won’t be taken alive; either by his own hand or by the cops pursuing him, he’ll likely end up on a slab, because, at this point, he’s got nothing else to lose.

24 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:56:32pm

re: #21 Kragar

How is deciding to kill people’s whole families to “get even” with them not psycho?

Not a shrink. There is a line between psycho and very pissed, and I’ll let his court-appointed doctors find it. If he ever gets to court.

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:57:30pm

re: #9 Gus

Yeah, I know. We should only criticize wingnuts but moonbats get a free pass.

The circle of derp only runs clockwise or counter clockwise. Both is unpossible.

26 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:58:17pm

re: #22 Shvaughn

Because it’s evil, not psycho.

If Dorner were truly psycho, he wouldn’t really be responsible for his actions, would he? He seems fully sane, fully rational, and fully evil to me.

I was unaware there was a legal term for psycho.

The fucker is a batshit insane nutball who happens to be able to focus his insanity enough to operate as an efficient killer.

27 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 6:59:53pm

re: #25 Killgore Trout

The circle of derp only runs clockwise or counter clockwise. Both is unpossible.

Hi Trout. Here to misrepresent people again?

I’d love to see a link to someone on Dkos who declares Dorner his hero.

28 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:00:31pm

re: #20 Shvaughn

Oh, I think the guy’s a fucking asshole for tweeting that. But I don’t think it’s part of a case of widespread moonbat hero worship of a murderer.

Like I said earlier in another thread, the number of people supporting this guy is microscopic in proportion of the number of people who want him caught and prosecuted.

29 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:00:50pm

re: #26 Kragar

I was unaware there was a legal term for psycho.

The fucker is a batshit insane nutball who happens to be able to focus his insanity enough to operate as an efficient killer.

We go to tremendous institutional effort to make our killers efficient. Sometimes we train the wrong one.

30 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:02:26pm

re: #27 Shvaughn

Hi Trout. Here to misrepresent people again?

I’d love to see a link to someone on Dkos who declares Dorner his hero.


LAPDs culture of corruption still needs reform (3+ / 0-)

You are correct that none of his grievances can ever justify, either morally or legally, his killing spree. The question I raise is whether the LAPD has a culture of corruption that drives principled officers from its ranks. Whatever insanity was unleashed by the loss of his reputation and career, at one point Dorner was a principled, socially conscious LAPD officer; an rare entity in very short supply.

31 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:03:39pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout


LAPDs culture of corruption still needs reform (3+ / 0-)

KT, you’re arguing against yourself. Let this one go.

32 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:03:50pm

re: #13 Decatur Deb

Two-thirds moonbat, here, and I’m not lapping anything up.

For your personal enjoyment—a beautiful Moonbat:

[Embedded content]

“Decision Before Dawn” (1951) which was on earlier on TCM included a flight of P-47s making an attack on a troop column including one of the movie characters. Also older US equipment such as M-46 and M-26 tanks doubling for German equipment as well as samples of actual German WW2 equipment - usually AT or AA guns. Also appears to have been shot in Germany given the bombed out ruins shown. (Takes place around Mannheim, so possibly filmed there I guess.)

33 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:04:06pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

We go to tremendous institutional effort to make our killers efficient. Sometimes we train the wrong one.

See also: Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitman, Timothy McVeigh, Nidal Hasan, and others.

34 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:04:46pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

That person isn’t supporting Dorner…they’re simply saying that he didn’t turn into a psychopath without some kind of external stimulation, whether it be real or imagined.

Please try again. You have two more lives before you have to put in another quarter.

35 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:05:06pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout


LAPDs culture of corruption still needs reform (3+ / 0-)

… how is that declaring him a hero?

36 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:05:34pm

Because we need a beautiful fucking song right now.

37 darthstar  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:07:24pm

re: #35 Shvaughn

… how is that declaring him a hero?

Killgore is quickly becoming the Michele Bachmann of internet discussion (or maybe he was already there and we just didn’t see it because he was kind to frogs).

38 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:08:27pm

re: #33 TedStriker

See: Lee Harvey Oswald, Charles Whitman, Timothy McVeigh, Nidal Hasan, and others.

2LT Calley, who is probably retired from the jewelry business in Columbus, about now.

39 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:09:50pm

Steven Seagal joins Arpaio’s ‘posse’ for training on school shootings

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s volunteer “posse” had a special guest on Saturday, as actor and reality show “Lawman” Steven Seagal joined in as it tackled training scenarios in the event of a school shooting.

KPNX-TV reported that members of the group conducted their training at a shuttered elementary school, with students volunteering to play the roles of victims to further simulate conditions of an attack like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut last December. Arpaio had already been deploying some of his volunteers to patrol schools around Maricopa County.

“Remember: Aggressiveness,” one trainer said while preparing for an exercise. “We have to find the threat and end it. That’s the only goal of any kind of active shooter training.”

40 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:10:21pm

How was Dorner allowed to purchase silencers I hear you not asking:

12501. Section 12520 shall not apply to, or affect, any of the following:
(a) The sale to, purchase by, or possession of silencers by agencies listed in Section 830.1, or the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States for use in the discharge of their official duties.
(b) The possession of silencers by regular, salaried, full-time peace officers who are employed by an agency listed in Section 830.1, or by the military or naval forces of this state or of the United States when on duty and when the use of silencers is authorized by the agency and is within the course and scope of their duties.
(c) The manufacture, possession, transportation, or sale or other transfer of silencers to an entity described in subdivision (a) by dealers or manufacturers registered under Chapter 53 (commencing with Section 5801) of Title 26 of the United States Code, and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.

Yet he rails against suppressors. He even lies about the requirements of purchase, ignoring that it’s the kind of exemption that people like Feinstein and CA law carve out that made it possible for him to buy them. And people are eating it up. There are NFA tax stamp owners all over the country who’ve paid $200 for each suppressor they own, regardless of whether they bought them as an individual or through a trust, who were intensely investigated by the ATF for upwards of eight months or more before permission was granted to pick up or manufacture their suppressor.

Finland, France, Norway and New Zealand don’t regulate suppressors at all, yet here I am, in a country with a constitutional right to bear arms, watching people advocate and approve of public policy as articulated by an abjectly evil, manipulative multiple murderer.

I’m all for making sure extensive background checks get done on every purchase or transfer, even between family and for inheritances. I’m all for heavily restricting compact handguns, the weapons used in the vast majority of firearms crime. I’m all for sensible safe storage and transport requirements. What I’m absolutely against is the current focus on cosmetic features and attempts to address symptoms instead of the disease, along with the demonization of gun owners in general as inherently irresponsible, compensating, wannabe superheroes.

41 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:11:24pm

re: #39 Kragar

Steven Seagal joins Arpaio’s ‘posse’ for training on school shootings

Sort of glad Sheriff Joe wasn’t in charge of digging our kidnapper and his victim out of our bunker.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:11:55pm

re: #36 darthstar

Because we need a beautiful fucking song right now.

[Embedded content]

Once again, you make me unleash my dogs of war…

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:13:42pm

Now up to 86% support from Koskiz claiming that he’s a truth telling martyr.

44 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:13:57pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Sort of glad Sheriff Joe wasn’t in charge of digging our kidnapper and his victim out of our bunker.

I can totally see Arpaio authorizing a thermobaric drone strike.

Eggs / Omelettes, amiright?

45 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:14:15pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout


LAPDs culture of corruption still needs reform (3+ / 0-)

You really see an issue with that particular comment? To me, it seems spot on, especially if his service record was satisfactory before the supposed events that led to his dismissal from the LAPD.

However, just in case you missed it, I’ll say it again: whatever the LAPD and his fellow officers may have done to Dorner in the course of his dismissal from the department DOES NOT justify his current course of action.

46 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:15:00pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

Sort of glad Sheriff Joe wasn’t in charge of digging our kidnapper and his victim out of our bunker.

Oh yeah, definitely, considering the man wants fully automatic weapons to gun down fleeing suspects.

47 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:16:31pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

I can totally see Arpaio authorizing a thermobaric drone strike.

Bunker busters, Frank, bunker busters….

48 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:17:02pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Now up to 86% support from Koskiz claiming that he’s a truth telling martyr.

I.e., two more people voted in this VERY REPRESENTATIVE, FULLY SCIENTIFIC POLL.

And the word “martyr” appears nowhere in the poll of course.

Did Christopher Dorner Get a Raw Deal From the LAPD?

Yes. Dorner told the truth and was fired for reporting police misconduct.
85% 59 votes

No. Dorner filed a false police report, lied under oath, and should have been fired
14% 10 votes

49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:17:21pm

My favorite boy and dog movie is A Boy and his Dog
A Boy And His Dog (1975) trailer


Holy fuckaroni, was that really the official trailer?
Yes, that is Kevin Kosner. Good movie for those who haven’t seen it before.
50 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:17:24pm

It struck me last week how the L.A. law enforcement press conferences sounded like something out of a Batman movie.

Good fictional villains hold up a mirror to the meanest desires of the audience, and they strike such a chord because there’s something about them that people like. They’re designed that way by creative minds. The bad guy sometimes does something you wish YOU could do, otherwise he wouldn’t entertain.

Evidently some people are confusing admiration of The Joker with admiring a real-life murderer, who didn’t kill “just cops”…

51 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:18:00pm

re: #46 Kragar

Oh yeah, definitely, considering the man wants fully automatic weapons to gun down fleeing suspects.

It’s really great that the case was managed as well as it was, both local and Fed. Still would like to have had him out alive, for science.

52 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:18:52pm

re: #47 TedStriker

Bunker busters, Frank, bunker busters….

Joe strikes me as a good ole fashioned flamethrower kind of guy.

53 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:19:53pm

Did we ever find out more about the metal thing on Mars?

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:19:58pm

re: #48 Shvaughn

Let it go. KT hasn’t cared about the truth since OWS scared him.

55 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:20:33pm

re: #51 Decatur Deb

It’s really great that the case was managed as well as it was, both local and Fed. Still would like to have had him out alive, for science.

Well, science can still study him, or at least his brain…in little slices.

He made a bunch of bad choices and wound up rolling craps; I’m just glad that no apparent harm came to his hostage during the ordeal.

56 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:22:41pm

re: #26 Kragar

I was unaware there was a legal term for psycho.

The fucker is a batshit insane nutball who happens to be able to focus his insanity enough to operate as an efficient killer.

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

57 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:23:51pm

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

58 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:25:00pm

So this got a downding?!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

59 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:25:02pm

re: #57 Skeetghazi

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

Before you do, ask yourself this question: “Am I ready to be the servant of a four-legged furball with a god-complex?”

//

60 Lidane  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:25:21pm

re: #37 darthstar

Killgore is quickly becoming the Michele Bachmann of internet discussion

That started back during the OWS protests. These days, we’re starting to get near Gohmert territory.

61 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:25:33pm

re: #34 darthstar

That person isn’t supporting Dorner…they’re simply saying that he didn’t turn into a psychopath without some kind of external stimulation, whether it be real or imagined.

Please try again. You have two more lives before you have to put in another quarter.

The game gives continues for only 25 cents? That’s a bargain in this day and age!

///

62 Bear  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:25:49pm

re: #57 Skeetghazi

If you do get one Please make it an indoor cat.

63 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:26:32pm

re: #58 Political Atheist

So this got a downding?!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

It’s the new LGF.

64 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:26:45pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

Not enough data to say, and we won’t ever get it if he’s splattered all over the mountainside. I counted more than 35 bulletholes in one photo of the news deliverers’ vehicle.

65 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:26:57pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Before you do, ask yourself this question: “Am I ready to be the servant of a four-legged furball with a god-complex?”

//

fucking purpose. Yeah.

66 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:27:09pm

re: #57 Skeetghazi

You get 6 cuddles for every cat box cleaning. It’s a good deal.

67 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:27:41pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

My favorite boy and dog movie is A Boy and his Dog
A Boy And His Dog (1975) trailer

[Embedded content]


Holy fuckaroni, was that really the official trailer?
Yes, that is Kevin Kosner. Good movie for those who haven’t seen it before.

I don’t upding Kevin Kostner movies. Sorry, but the memory of The Postman still rankles.

68 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:27:45pm

re: #57 Skeetghazi

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

Easier than a dog in my opinion. Cat goes and does business without your involvement; no need to hurry home to let dog out, can do a day trip without worrying about letting the dog out, etc.

Caring for a litter box is scooping it every day (or two), putting the balls in a small garbage bad, and dumping. And adding more litter as needed. There is even the equivalent of the “Diaper Genie” for cat litter now.

69 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:27:54pm

re: #56 Dark_Falcon

I don’t agree. He’s sane. His actions mark him as evil, but he knows the difference between right and wrong. But he egotistically believes that the wrong done to him justifies the wrong he does to others.

I think he’s a nutty fruitcake. Sure, there’s some political stuff in his manifesto but I don;t think he’s politically motivated. An ex cop would be in favor of gun control measures, it’s just common sense. The dude’s a nut, he’s lost his marbles. I think it’s a mistake to take an insane murderer and use him as a political tool. Leave him as the nut that he is.

70 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:28:31pm

re: #62 Bear

If you do get one Please make it an indoor cat.

Has to be here. Coyote’s and all that. I found a rescue place. Looking at the not too old, but the older ones who are love.

71 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:28:42pm

re: #58 Political Atheist

So this got a downding?!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I’d suspect a watercolorist.

72 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:28:50pm

re: #59 Targetpractice

Before you do, ask yourself this question: “Am I ready to be the servant of a four-legged furball with a god-complex?”

//

You had GOD in the title?

73 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:29:30pm

re: #66 Political Atheist

You get 6 cuddles for every cat box cleaning. It’s a good deal.

awwwww. a-ok.

74 jaunte  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:30:18pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

I don’t upding Kevin Kostner movies. Sorry, but the memory of The Postman still rankles.

Why do you hate Tom Petty?
//

75 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:30:33pm

re: #68 Feline Fearless Leader

Feline, I posted just for your input!! I will report tomorrow.

76 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:30:57pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I think he’s a nutty fruitcake. Sure, there’s some political stuff in his manifesto but I don;t think he’s politically motivated. An ex cop would be in favor of gun control measures, it’s just common sense. The dude’s a nut, he’s lost his marbles. I think it’s a mistake to take an insane murderer and use him as a political tool. Leave him as the nut that he is.

He has no political value. Whatever truth is in his accusations has been overwritten by his actions. LAPD can shrug and say they were obviously right to dump him.

77 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:31:33pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

He has no political value. Whatever truth is in his accusations has been overwritten by his actions. LAPD can shrug and say they were obviously right to dump him.

Yep. You kinda lose the right to make your case when you start killing people.

78 ninja cat  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:31:53pm

re: #70 Skeetghazi

Rescue cats are great. I have one, they think he is about 7 or 8. He only has a couple of teeth. He’s learning nonchalance from the other cats but I think he’s still pretty damn grateful.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:32:18pm

re: #74 jaunte

Why do you hate Tom Petty?
//

I don’t:

80 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:33:16pm

I live in southern California; a helicopter just flew over.

I find that since the Dorner thing started, I’ve been more aware of police presence. It’s kind of scary knowing that Dorner could be anywhere — and that trigger-happy cops could be too.

81 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:33:29pm

re: #72 Skeetghazi

You had GOD in the title?

Wrong post response. Sorry!

To Political Atheist and why his page was downdinged.

82 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:33:49pm

re: #76 Decatur Deb

He has no political value. Whatever truth is in his accusations has been overwritten by his actions. LAPD can shrug and say they were obviously right to dump him.

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

83 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:34:52pm

re: #63 Gus

It’s the new LGF.

No “new LGF”, it’s just a fairly new turd that generally resides in the Pages, never commenting on articles.

84 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:35:12pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

Concur. Though they might just be trying to draw him out.

85 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:35:19pm

re: #80 Shvaughn

I live in southern California; a helicopter just flew over.

I find that since the Dorner thing started, I’ve been more aware of police presence. It’s kind of scary knowing that Dorner could be anywhere — and that trigger-happy cops could be too.

You had better not ever get a scanner, it will make you absolutely paranoid. ( listened to Oakland Bomber surveillance the night it happened)

86 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:35:34pm

Maybe they’re trying to lure him out, getting him to give himself up by promising to hear his grievances.

87 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:36:12pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

So his best chance is to be dead and vindicated.

88 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:36:21pm

re: #80 Shvaughn

I live in southern California; a helicopter just flew over.

I find that since the Dorner thing started, I’ve been more aware of police presence. It’s kind of scary knowing that Dorner could be anywhere — and that trigger-happy cops could be too.

I was away from my condo night before last. I came home, opened the door very carefully. It was weird.

But, like I said before this guy is not an easy blend in-er. I’d hate to be an overweight black male today.

89 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:36:22pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

My guess is that the LAPD is scared shitless that the DoJ may have something on this and steps in to investigate them.

90 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:38:06pm

re: #88 Skeetghazi

But, like I said before this guy is not an easy blend in-er. I’d hate to be an overweight black male today.

No shit!

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:38:22pm

re: #83 TedStriker

No “new LGF”, it’s just a fairly new turd that generally resides in the Pages, never commenting on articles.

[taps aluminum cluebat on the ground]

Thrazidun, come out and play!

92 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:38:24pm

And my guess is he’s buried in a snow pile up there. Big Bear is a dead end.

93 HoosierHoops  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:38:28pm

re: #57 Skeetghazi

Seriously thinking about getting a cat. I’m lonely and bored. I think a kit will be great. My only blah is the box, that damn litter box.

Go ahead and get a spoiled Beverly Hills dog… You’ll love it..
In 29 min. Winston will demand his nightly grooming.. He brings joy to me cause he is so crazy and fun. And every night he crawls under the covers and snuggles his daddy. He is a good pet and friend..
I walk Winston across the OU campus all the time. He meets 100’s of Co-eds that love him. He is the luckiest doggy in the world..Charlie Sheen has nothing over Winston.

94 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:39:35pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

They’re not doing that, though - they’re reopening his hearing. There’s something going on behind the scenes here, and it’s not looking good for the LAPD.

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

95 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:41:29pm

re: #93 HoosierHoops

Go ahead and get a spoiled Beverly Hills dog… You’ll love it..
In 29 min. Winston will demand his nightly grooming.. He brings joy to me cause he is so crazy and fun. And every night he crawls under the covers and snuggles his daddy. He is a good pet and friend..
I walk Winston across the OU campus all the time. He meets 100’s of Co-eds that love him. He is the luckiest doggy in the world..Charlie Sheen has nothing over Winston.

You hit the jackpot with that pup.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:41:52pm

re: #94 Political Atheist

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

Agreed. Even worse: This guy has the police publicly running scared. I don’t even want to think about how this is being seen by the Islamists or the cartels.

97 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:43:42pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Even worse: This guy has the police publicly running scared. I don’t even want to think about how this is being seen by the Islamists or the cartels.

oh geeze. be more worried about Americans and how they see their police force shoot up 2 Hispanic women delivering newspapers.

Islamists? Cartels? hoo boy.

98 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:43:59pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Even worse: This guy has the police publicly running scared. I don’t even want to think about how this is being seen by the Islamists or the cartels.

You have a strange pathology where you worry instantly about how people you hate and fear see things.

It’s very paranoid.

99 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:44:32pm

re: #94 Political Atheist

Be that as it may nothing LAPD might have done validates this vendetta that includes family. That is beyond the pale by any and every rational measure. Fuck this guy, life is what you make of it when things go bad or good. Contemptible a tactic as there is.

…And the LAPD is bullshitting him about reopening the investigation to try to bring him in peacefully. It’s an obvious ruse. you can’t set the precedent that if someone goes on a murder spree that their complaints will be taken seriously.

100 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:46:17pm

re: #99 Killgore Trout

…And the LAPD is bullshitting him about reopening the investigation to try to bring him in peacefully. It’s an obvious ruse. you can’t set the precedent that if someone goes on a murder spree that they’re complaints will be taken seriously.

Yay, Trout and I actually agree about something.

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:46:27pm

re: #98 Renaissance_Man

You have a strange pathology where you worry instantly about how people you hate and fear see things.

In this particular case, I’d say he has a point in that it points out an institutional vulnerability. “Social Engineering” is often the single most effective form of hacking. This points out that it remains the soft underbelly of us all. And, no, I have no clue how to deal with that problem.

102 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:46:38pm

re: #98 Renaissance_Man

You have a strange pathology where you worry instantly about how people you hate and fear see things.

It’s very paranoid.

Instantly? This story been going for days now. Instant reactions are long past. Get in the game, man.

103 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:46:40pm

re: #97 Skeetghazi

oh geeze. be more worried about Americans and how they see their police force shoot up 2 Hispanic women delivering newspapers.

Let me tell you, two Hispanic women in a royal blue Toyota Tacoma can look an awful lot like a 6 foot 270 pound black man in a grey Nissan Titan. That’s a mistake I’ve made tons of times.

104 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:49:40pm

re: #92 Skeetghazi

And my guess is he’s buried in a snow pile up there. Big Bear is a dead end.

Heh. Might not show up until the snow melts. He does strike me as a suicide by cop profile big time. I can only hope the last life has been lost at his hand.

BTW thanks to you and all those who took a kind look at that Page.

105 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:50:49pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Let me tell you , two Hispanic women in a royal blue Toyota Tacoma can look an awful lot like a 6 foot 270 pound black man in a grey Nissan Titan. That’s a mistake I’ve made tons of times.

Bet this took a lot of work.

106 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:52:00pm

re: #100 Shvaughn

Yay, Trout and I actually agree about something.

It’s not a surprise to me. If you peal away the bullshit we’re probably on the same side of many issues. This guy is probably just a nut without any serious political motivation. Using his mental illness and resulting killing spree as a political fulcrum is a bad idea for our side but I’m afraid the momentum of political instincts is not in our favor on this one. Idiots will be idiots.

107 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:52:37pm

re: #98 Renaissance_Man

You have a strange pathology where you worry instantly about how people you hate and fear see things.

The LAPD’s reaction probably should frighten people, it’s pretty disconcerting how quickly and thoroughly one man has been able to unravel them.

108 freetoken  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:53:19pm

re: #6 goddamnedfrank

The military term “force multiplier” comes to mind.

Because one man (Dorner) has both the motivation-to-use and the access to the required weaponry, and by targeting the very means society has to police itself, his effect seems quite magnified compared to what a single person normally can accomplish.

109 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:53:32pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Let me tell you , two Hispanic women in a royal blue Toyota Tacoma can look an awful lot like a 6 foot 270 pound black man in a grey Nissan Titan. That’s a mistake I’ve made tons of times.

Their newspapers might have had detachable magazines.

110 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:54:12pm

re: #103 goddamnedfrank

Let me tell you , two Hispanic women in a royal blue Toyota Tacoma can look an awful lot like a 6 foot 270 pound black man in a grey Nissan Titan. That’s a mistake I’ve made tons of times.

And one of them was my 70 year old Mother!

GAH

111 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:54:16pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

So his best chance is to be dead and vindicated.

Pretty much, with caveats.

If he’s taken alive, Dorner’s actions have discredited him. If he commits suicide, either directly by his own hand or in suicide-by-cop, then the LAPD won’t have the direct pressure it does right now to “do something”, so they probably won’t, unless the DoJ starts breathing down their necks again.

112 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:55:26pm

re: #109 Decatur Deb

Their newspapers might have had detachable magazines.

Threadwinnah!!

113 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:55:29pm

Still stuck in my head

114 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:56:49pm

re: #108 freetoken

The military term “force multiplier” comes to mind.

Because one man (Dorner) has both the motivation-to-use and the access to the required weaponry, and by targeting the very means society has to police itself, his effect seems quite magnified compared to what a single person normally can accomplish.

I’m reminded that Timothy McVeigh’s alternate plan was to organize a sniping campaign.

As I said before, imagine if Dorner hadn’t yet published his manifesto, if the LAPD had no suspects, nothing to go on.

115 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 7:59:21pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

I’m reminded that Timothy McVeigh’s alternate plan was to organize a sniping campaign.

As I said before, imagine if Dorner hadn’t yet published his manifesto, if the LAPD had no suspects, nothing to go on.

That would have been terrifying. The “good” news is that Dorner wanted the LAPD to know who its foe is because he has what he sees as direct grievance with them.

116 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:02:04pm
117 Gus  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:02:28pm

LOL

118 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:05:08pm

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

Ballsy call.

119 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:06:00pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

I’m reminded that Timothy McVeigh’s alternate plan was to organize a sniping campaign.

As I said before, imagine if Dorner hadn’t yet published his manifesto, if the LAPD had no suspects, nothing to go on.

Don’t have to imagine, most folks in Virginia and Maryland lived it during the Beltway Sniper shootings.

120 Bear  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:07:33pm

I have been on training ranges where one person mistakenly fires a shot and that sets off a chain reaction and others fire though there was no command (or reason) to do so. This might have been the case with the ladies in the blue pickup.

121 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:07:39pm

re: #118 Political Atheist

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

Ballsy call.

Think the “public interest perspective” kinda lays it out. They’re not trying to draw him out so much as ensure that his allegations gain no hold in the event that he ends up dead when this is all over. Put to rest the idea that the LAPD killed him to hide any skeletons in its closet.

122 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:08:15pm

re: #118 Political Atheist

Just watched our Chief Of Police explain his re opening of the case that started all this. He explains this as an increased transparency for the public interest perspective. In other words he has enough confidence to have another set of eyes lay it out.

Ballsy call.

Sounds legit, he should have a Simi Valley jury check it out.

123 Decatur Deb  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:08:34pm

re: #120 Bear

I have been on training ranges where one person mistakenly fires a shot and that sets off a chain reaction and others fire though there was no command (or reason) to do so. This might have been the case with the ladies in the blue pickup.

I’m sure they were chided by their RSO.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:11:22pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

Sounds legit, he should have a Simi Valley jury check it out.

Is that a Rodney King reference?

125 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:12:09pm

re: #122 goddamnedfrank

P.S. I currently live in Simi Valley. It’s still really white. However apparently not white enough because I’m applying for a job up in north Idaho, where the women are translucent.

126 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:12:39pm

re: #120 Bear

I spent a lot of years as an RSO or Rangemaster. But always ran lots of bays with one SRO per shooter. i never ran strings or lines of shooters. That’s way harder. *tips hat*

127 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:12:56pm

re: #124 Dark_Falcon

Is that a Rodney King reference?

Was the Pope a nazi?

Yes, cheap, but funny.

128 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:18:09pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Was the Pope a nazi?

Yes, cheap, but funny.

The Pope has fucked up enough on his own without bringing Nazi jokes into it.

129 Political Atheist  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:20:23pm

re: #123 Decatur Deb

I’m sure they were chided by their RSO.

“Chided”? Yeah right.

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:20:49pm

re: #128 Kragar

The Pope has fucked up enough on his own without bringing Nazi jokes into it.

I’d agree. I updinged Frank because his line was clever, and because he updinged me first.

131 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:23:00pm

re: #128 Kragar

The Pope has fucked up enough on his own without bringing Nazi jokes into it.

I get it, the comparison is unfair to the other Nazi Youth.

132 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:24:41pm

Don’t make me start throwing down sarc tags, y’all know how they chafe.

133 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:25:12pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

I get it, the comparison is unfair to the other Nazi Youth.

Being in the Hitler Youth wasn’t his choice.

His actions in the Church are.

134 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:32:14pm

night all

135 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:32:43pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

Was the Pope a nazi?

Yes, cheap, but funny.

OH IT WAS MANDATORY TO BE IN THE HITLERJUGEND LOL THOSE WERE THE DAYS BUT MEANWHILE EVERYTHING I SAY IS THE SAME AS IF IT CAME FROM GOD.

Sincerely yours, Pope “Ratzo” Ratzinger Benedict XVI

P.S. No fucking.

136 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:37:05pm

This is kind of awesome:

That was the MO of one Willie Sutton, a celebrated American bank robber known as “the Actor” and “Slick Willie” because of his proclivity for disguises. He frequently posed as a Western Union messenger and arrived at a target bank or store just as it was opening. Other favorite getups included a maintenance man, a policeman, a diplomat and a window cleaner. Once, in 1947, Sutton escaped the Philadelphia County Prison in Homesburg, Pa., in the guise of a prison guard. When searchlights caught him trying to scale the prison wall, he yelled, “It’s OK,” which fooled the real guards and allowed Sutton to escape.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:38:07pm

re: #135 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

He didn’t originate the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and that doctrine is misunderstood. It only applies in cases where the pope is making a ruling “from the throne”. What he says in a normal sermon is not considered infallible.

138 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:38:51pm

re: #136 goddamnedfrank

139 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:40:36pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

He didn’t originate the doctrine of Papal Infallibility, and that doctrine is misunderstood. It only applies in cases where the pope is making a ruling “from the throne”. What he says in a normal sermon is not considered infallible.

Oh, so he only sometimes says things that are considered to be the words of God. That clarifies things.

140 dragonath  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:42:17pm
141 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:45:05pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

I see Destro hasn’t been back in a bit.

I should note that the Bosnian SS dude is more or less the exception. The Bosnians where being burned at both ends in WWII.

I stand by my assertion that he is coming from an Eastern Orthodox point of view. It would explain his hate of the West, a seeming Antisemitism, and a now clear anti-Muslim viewpoint, along with his constant parroting of Serbia as the eternal victim.

He is likely a Putin-ist, or some sort of Sinn Finn-er.

142 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:46:04pm

re: #139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Oh, so he only sometimes says things that are considered to be the words of God. That clarifies things.

It’s part of Catholic doctrine, proclaimed at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870 (the same year as the Franco-Prussian War, BTW). It could not be be done away with without another council of the Church.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:46:59pm

re: #141 ProBosniaLiberal

I see Destro hasn’t been back in a bit.

I should note that the Bosnian SS dude is more or less the exception. The Bosnians where being burned at both ends in WWII.

I stand by my assertion that he is coming from an Eastern Orthodox point of view. It would explain his hate of the West, a seeming Antisemitism, and a now clear anti-Muslim viewpoint, along with his constant parroting of Serbia as the eternal victim.

He is likely a Putin-ist, or some sort of Sinn Finn-er.

Legit points. But best placed on the relevant thread as well as here.

144 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:49:07pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

True. But that thread must be getting close to being old enough to be archived.

I honestly did not know he was going to go full fascist. That was a shock.

145 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:51:24pm

Here is the information on that “Muslim” SS Unit:

During the war, and following the massive deterioration of internal security under the incompetent Ustaše regime, the Nazis tried to create a quisling Waffen-SS unit in Bosnia called the 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian) in February 1943. Imam Halim Malkoć was the only Muslim to earn the German Iron Cross during World War II. The formation was not very successful, and many men deserted to the Communist partisans. But the existence of this unit served as very useful anti-Muslim propaganda after 1945.

146 dragonath  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:51:31pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Now, if you want to talk about long term ticking time bombs, Gerry Adams is planning to run for Irish President in 2016- the hundredth anniversary of the Irish Revolution.

Just saying.

148 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:58:20pm

re: #145 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is the information on that “Muslim” SS Unit:

Nazi efforts to recruit for “ethnic” Waffen SS units had just become much less successful at that time. Following the surrender of the German 6th Army at Stalingrad, many who otherwise might have joined the Nazi cause now saw that cause as lost.

149 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:58:26pm

re: #146 dragonath

It’s likely the Irish Republic will use its alleged Ace in the Hole then.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:58:45pm

re: #147 dragonath

Not now, I’m eating.

151 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:59:41pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

It’s part of Catholic doctrine, proclaimed at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870 (the same year as the Franco-Prussian War, BTW). It could not be be done away with without another council of the Church.

“If it walks like bullshit and quacks like bullshit, it’s probably bullshit.” - Doug “Tex” Dostoyevsky

152 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 8:59:59pm

re: #148 Dark_Falcon

Not to mention the Bosnians had brutally suffered at the hands of Nazi’s client state, Ustashe Croatia.

As well as Serbians from the other side. Bosnians have not had a good century.

153 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:02:57pm

re: #145 ProBosniaLiberal

Here is the information on that “Muslim” SS Unit:

You might want to post that info and your other points on this older main thread as well, where Destro left another turd.

154 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:03:36pm

re: #152 ProBosniaLiberal

Not to mention the Bosnians had brutally suffered at the hands of Nazi’s client state, Ustashe Croatia.

As well as Serbians from the other side. Bosnians have not had a good century.

A lesser known fact about that particular theater of war is that the Italian troops assigned to Yugoslavia committed their share of ‘reprisal’ murder as well, sometimes executing dozens at a time. Unlike the Germans, though, the Italians did not specifically target Jews. But they were ruthless enough as it was.

155 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:06:18pm

re: #153 Interesting Times

His hate of America is just sick. It’s not criticism at this point, just a full-on hate geyser.

156 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:07:05pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I find it funny that Albania has always been resistant to superpowers or great powers intruding.

Well, until us. Now, they are likely our most loyal ally.

157 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:11:55pm

I also just did the number crunching, what with the war crimes trials in Bangladesh.

Depending on when you put the starting and ending date of the Holocaust, I found that, even with the highest possible figures, the Bengali Genocide killed more people per day, at 6,000-12,000 people per day for 260 days in 1971

158 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:12:02pm

re: #95 Skeetghazi

You hit the jackpot with that pup.

And the pup hit the jackpot with his Daddy!

159 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:12:20pm
160 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:13:25pm

re: #158 Dancing along the light of day

And the pup hit the jackpot with his Daddy!

Got something for you, Floral.

161 dragonath  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:17:51pm
162 Lidane  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:20:29pm
163 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:21:19pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

What a cutie!

164 Sionainn  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:30:15pm

re: #107 goddamnedfrank

The LAPD’s reaction probably should frighten people, it’s pretty disconcerting how quickly and thoroughly one man has been able to unravel them.

It wouldn’t surprise me if Dorner killed himself in an area where he wouldn’t be found in a long time, just to fuck with the LAPD and make them sweat.

165 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 9, 2013 9:48:14pm

Good Night, All.

166 Inner Partisan  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 4:29:51am

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

It’s part of Catholic doctrine, proclaimed at the 1st Vatican Council in 1870 (the same year as the Franco-Prussian War, BTW). It could not be be done away with without another council of the Church.

You know, I might be a severely lapsed Catholic, but it still irritates me somewhat when people get “our” doctrines wrong. Papal infallibility is probably the second-most misunderstood concept, after the immaculate conception.

As for Papa Ratzi being a Nazi…. look, I really don’t like the guy, but he was fucking 14. And yes, membership in the Hitler Youth was indeed mandated by law.

167 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:23:41am

re: #166 Inner Partisan

You know, I might be a severely lapsed Catholic, but it still irritates me somewhat when people get “our” doctrines wrong. Papal infallibility is probably the second-most misunderstood concept, after the immaculate conception.

As for Papa Ratzi being a Nazi…. look, I really don’t like the guy, but he was fucking 14. And yes, membership in the Hitler Youth was indeed mandated by law.

It’s NB(F)D that the pope was a Nazi kid. It’s more telling that he was chosen from among 209 cardinals by a conclave that largely lived through the Nazi era.

168 Inner Partisan  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:39:49am

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Well, many of them are Italian.
But seriously: maybe it just didn’t matter. Again, as bad as his other political/religious opinions might be, I see no indication that Ratzinger ever expressed even the slightest hint of sympathy for National Socialism.
And damn, I can’t believe I’m defending this mischpoke of bigoted, geriatric virgins.

169 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:44:53am

re: #168 Inner Partisan

Well, many of them are Italian.
But seriously: maybe it just didn’t matter. Again, as bad as his other political/religious opinions might be, I see no indication that Ratzinger ever expressed even the slightest hint of sympathy for National Socialism.
And damn, I can’t believe I’m defending this mischpoke of bigoted, geriatric virgins.

I’m a lot more impressed by the Catholic kids of the White Rose. (I’ve taken white roses to Munich, and twisted them through the wrought-iron gate of the University.)

Since the Nazi era, the Italian domination of the consistories has dropped by about half, to around 30%.

170 Inner Partisan  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:54:03am

re: #169 Decatur Deb

I’m a lot more impressed by the Catholic kids of the White Rose. (I’ve taken white roses to Munich, and twisted them through the wrought-iron gate of the University.)

Oh yes. I guess one question every one of us (Germans) inevitably asks ourselves, when confronted with our country’s past is “What would I have done”? And while I’d like to pretend otherwise, I don’t think I would have had the courage those White Rose kids had; even if my political convictions were the same then as they are now (which isn’t a given, naturally).
“Gnade der späten Geburt”, we call it.

re: #169 Decatur Deb

Since the Nazi era, the Italian domination of the consistories has dropped by about half, to around 30%.

It was just a stupid joke ;-)

171 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:00:24am

re: #170 Inner Partisan

Oh yes. I guess one question every one of us (Germans) inevitably asks ourselves, when confronted with our country’s past is “What would I have done”? And while I’d like to pretend otherwise, I don’t think I would have had the courage those White Rose kids had; even if my political convictions were the same then as they are now (which isn’t a given, naturally).
“Gnade der späten Geburt”, we call it.

re: #169 Decatur Deb

It was just a stupid joke ;-)

That’s OK, it was just a stupid factoid. (A classmate from my tiny highschool/college will vote for the next pope, conceivably be the first American pope.)

172 Tigger2005  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:18:50am

So God created Dog for Man, and Man discovered Beer, and his life was perfect, but he was too stupid to realize that.


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