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1 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:47:18pm

Walking Dead HELL YEAH

2 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:49:57pm

I’m watching old Bond movies. “Thunderball” currently on. Not a Grammy’s fan, and I have not been following The Walking Dead.

3 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:51:11pm

The current paper is an oldie, titled “Borosilicate Glasses” by Tosio Abe in 1952.

4 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:51:30pm

Zombies at the Grammies…would that be such a bad thing?

/

5 Lidane  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:51:45pm

Is this the thread where I can up my hipster cred and claim I was a Norman Reedus fan years before he was Daryl Dixon? Boondock Saints FTW, yo. Heh.

Also, I have seasoned chicken in the oven and the veggies simmering on the stove. Dinner + zombies? You betcha.

6 darthstar  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:52:34pm

Didn’t some asshole shoot his girlfriend for saying the Walking Dead wasn’t realistic?

7 darthstar  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:53:20pm

re: #2 Feline Fearless Leader

I’m watching old Bond movies. “Thunderball” currently on. Not a Grammy’s fan, and I have not been following The Walking Dead.

Thunderball? Love that movie…what channel?

8 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:53:58pm
9 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:54:05pm

I went to Nordstrom today, bought myself a new fragrance and told Zedushka “This is your Valentine’s Day present to me.”

10 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:54:26pm

Just had a weird problem with the Internet tubes, they got all spastic on me.

Looks like a router went bad in the Time Warner/Road Runner network, and I couldn’t get into LGF or several other sites for about 90 minutes. Traceroute stopped at an rr.com host.

Fixed now, obviously, or I wouldn’t be posting this comment.

11 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:55:05pm

re: #8 Interesting Times

Er…WTF is a “mislim”? o_O

Drunk pamela typing.

12 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:55:08pm

Things old papers make me appreciate: a section where the experimental protocol is clearly laid out.

Things old papers make me miss: when you could get away with not citing 40+ papers per paper.

13 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:55:57pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Just had a weird problem with the Internet tubes, they got all spastic on me.

Looks like a router went bad in the Time Warner/Road Runner network, and I couldn’t get into LGF or several other sites for about 90 minutes. Traceroute stopped at an rr.com host.

Fixed now, obviously, or I wouldn’t be posting this comment.

ITZ A CONSPIRiCY!1!

14 darthstar  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:56:17pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson
rr.com…maybe it was just a passing train.

15 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:56:44pm

One Eyed Governor

16 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:58:04pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

Just had a weird problem with the Internet tubes, they got all spastic on me.

Looks like a router went bad in the Time Warner/Road Runner network, and I couldn’t get into LGF or several other sites for about 90 minutes. Traceroute stopped at an rr.com host.

Fixed now, obviously, or I wouldn’t be posting this comment.

Oooh, scary. I just coached the home crew through, ‘turn the modem off, wait a minute, then turn the modem back on.’ Fortunately it worked, because I’d exhausted my technical know-how.

17 darthstar  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 5:58:15pm

re: #14 darthstar

rr.com…maybe it was just a passing train.

Never mind…that’s roadrunner networks…I see your problem now.

18 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:00:50pm

I’m leaving for awhile.

Have a great evening all!

19 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:01:02pm

and away we go

20 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:01:16pm

re: #7 darthstar

Thunderball? Love that movie…what channel?

REELZ

21 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:09:08pm

contemplating possible new nyms:

‘beat raven’

‘aether mermaid’

prizes for decoding the first one. the 2nd is too obvious…

22 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:09:15pm

Wow, great opening scene.

OK, I’ll try not to post spoilers.

23 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:10:23pm

I am irrevocably hooked on this show. Not like me. My wife likes it too so we we finally have some TV compatibility.

Oh, and here’s some Whiny Conservatism.

24 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:11:11pm

We are stalled at watching the final show of the second season. My wife is upset/annoyed at Dale’s death so she doesn’t want to watch any more, even though we’ve PVRed the entire 3rd season up til now.

25 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:11:39pm

I always knew the Merle/Darryl saga would come back to spice things up. Both actors are really good in their roles.

26 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:11:58pm

re: #21 engineer cat

contemplating possible new nyms:

‘beat raven’

‘aether mermaid’

prizes for decoding the first one. the 2nd is too obvious…

B Traven, the author?

27 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:12:42pm

re: #24 b_sharp

We are stalled at watching the final show of the second season. My wife is upset/annoyed at Dale’s death so she doesn’t want to watch any more, even though we’ve PVRed the entire 3rd season up til now.

I dropped a spoiler but removed it, sorry.

28 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:13:56pm

re: #27 Kronocide

I dropped a spoiler but removed it, sorry.

I already knew about Lori and the baby. The wife doesn’t.

29 efuseakay  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:14:24pm

re: #17 darthstar

Never mind…that’s roadrunner networks…I see your problem now.

30 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:19:43pm

re: #28 b_sharp

I already knew about Laurie and the baby. The wife doesn’t.

Losing Dale was pretty epic. Laurie will make her bawl.

31 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:20:21pm

I watched a couple episodes of Walking Dead, just couldn’t get into it.

I liked “Zombie Land” and “Shaun of the Dead”

32 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:23:57pm

What I like about The Walking Dead: it’s following the graphic novels. With some differences but nothing that derails the overall story.

33 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:24:23pm

re: #30 Kronocide

Losing Dale was pretty epic. Laurie will make her bawl.

Yup. That’s kind of why I haven’t pushed it. I may just hook it up when she doesn’t have some other show to watch and go with it. She’ll kill me later, but hey, she isn’t a zombie.

34 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:25:25pm

Glenn: done with it

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:26:05pm

Whoa, Glenn.

36 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:27:31pm

re: #26 wrenchwench

B Traven, the author?

you win!

i have deposited 7 zagillion quatloos in your name in the intergalactic bank of ferengi

37 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:29:47pm

re: #34 Skeetghazi

Glenn: done with it

They killed Glenn?

38 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:31:53pm

re: #36 engineer cat

you win!

i have deposited 7 zagillion quatloos in your name in the intergalactic bank of ferengi

Do they require photo ID?

39 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:32:05pm

re: #37 b_sharp

They killed Glenn?

No, they got him a chalkboard.

40 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:35:20pm

LA Archdiocese used cemetery funds to pay for abuse settlements

In order to help pay for a $660 million settlement for the victims of molestation by Catholic priests, the Archdiocese of Los Angeles moved $115 million from the fund for cemetery maintenance, reported the Los Angeles Times.

The money in the cemetery fund comes from the families of those buried by the church or kept in church mausoleums — families who “have contributed to a dedicated account for the perpetual care of graves, crypts and grounds since the 1890s,” reported the LAT.

Those families were not notified that 88 percent of the fund was being used for the settlements, and the church did not mention the funding source in public statements.

41 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:35:30pm

They kill Glenn, I ain’t watching.

42 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:36:47pm

re: #40 Kragar

LA Archdiocese used cemetery funds to pay for abuse settlements

Dead people can’t complain.//

43 engineer cat  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:37:34pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Do they require photo ID?

and the signatures of 12 of your personal slaves or 6 interplanetary merchants you have swindled

44 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:39:32pm

Is it wrong to judge trolls on their inability to use punctuation, spelling, spacing, and the enter key properly?

45 erik_t  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:40:25pm

re: #44 klys

Is it wrong to judge trolls on their inability to use punctuation, spelling, spacing, and the enter key properly?

If we mix up our there/their/they’re and use quotation marks as emphasis marks, we might as well be the lesser apes.

46 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:41:35pm

re: #45 erik_t

If we mix up our there/their/they’re and use quotation marks as emphasis marks, we might as well be the lesser apes.

Guess I’m going to hell then.

47 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:43:15pm

re: #45 erik_t

If we mix up our there/their/they’re and use quotation marks as emphasis marks, we might as well be the lesser apes.

Ook Ook

48 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:45:00pm

re: #44 klys

Is it wrong to judge trolls on their inability to use punctuation, spelling, spacing, and the enter key properly?

Punctuation is important..

“Let’s eat Grandma.”
“Let’s eat, Grandma.”

49 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:49:32pm

re: #48 Mich-again

IMO, improper punctuation use (etc.) is like the bad handwriting of the Internet world. It may or may not change your message or my opinion of it, but it’ll be a hell of a lot harder for me to figure out what you’re saying and I may stop bothering to try.

51 erik_t  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:52:14pm

re: #49 klys

IMO, improper punctuation use (etc.) is like the bad handwriting of the Internet world. It may or may not change your message or my opinion of it, but it’ll be a hell of a lot harder for me to figure out what you’re saying and I may stop bothering to try.

Conservatives: UR IN ‘MURRICA, SPEAK ENGLISH

Liberals: I DON’T CARE WHAT LANGUAGE YOU SPEAK OR TYPE, BUT FOR GOD’S SAKES PLEASE DO IT PROPERLY

52 garzooma  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:54:53pm
53 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:56:49pm

re: #52 garzooma

Speaking of the Grammies, Kim Kashkashian won the Grammy Award for Best Classical Instrumental Solo

That is a fantastic doubletake. Well done.

54 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 6:56:56pm

re: #52 garzooma

Speaking of the Grammies, Kim Kashkashian won the Grammy Award for Best Classical Instrumental Solo

OK, how many of you thought this was about KIM KARDASHIAN and thought WTF!

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:04:41pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

OK, how many of you thought this was about KIM KARDASHIAN and thought WTF!

Or the Onion was getting a bit rude.

56 BongCrodny  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:12:27pm

re: #39 Feline Fearless Leader

No, they got him a chalkboard.

One Glenn kills zombies, the other makes ‘em.

57 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:13:53pm

I’d watch the Grammys if there were any decent music being produced today. But sadly, nobody wants to pay for music, so nobody’s making any.

58 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:14:09pm

re: #57 ReamWorks SKG

I’d watch the Grammys if there were any decent music being produced today. But sadly, nobody wants to pay for music, so nobody’s making any.

Tom Waits is.

59 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:16:15pm

Oh! Paul Barton posted a great tutorial on Chopin Opus 10/1 “Waterfall”

I learned a different technique but I like this method, a la Cortot, too.

60 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:19:18pm

re: #57 ReamWorks SKG

I’d watch the Grammys if there were any decent music being produced today. But sadly, nobody wants to pay for music, so nobody’s making any.

I disagree, there is a ton of great music coming out these days. You need to turn on the radio and scan once in a while..

61 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:19:59pm

re: #60 Mich-again

Sorry! Sometimes my sarcasm isn’t apparent! I’m all about music.

62 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:20:31pm

re: #57 ReamWorks SKG

I’d watch the Grammys if there were any decent music being produced today. But sadly, nobody wants to pay for music, so nobody’s making any.

There’s lots of great music being made. It’s just not coming out of the labels/Grammy machine anymore. Go to the clubs, see the indies & buy the disks there and their files online without giving the middle-thieves a share. That’s the model music is moving to and radio & the Grammys got left behind with the rest of the 20th century.

63 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:22:02pm

I think we need another 25 posts telling Reuven to go see some indie bands.

Reuven, have you checked out the shotegazing scene? It’s very very.

64 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:22:22pm

re: #61 ReamWorks SKG

Sorry! Sometimes my sarcasm isn’t apparent! I’m all about music.

Ha. Well that sort of opinions is on FB all the time so it didn’t surprise me to see it.

65 ninja cat  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:23:41pm

Well if you’re not watching the Grammy’s you missed the Bob Marley tribute. Damn, I’m watching them and I missed it. Bruno Mars came out to sing one his own songs, Sting came out to sing a Police song, then they permitted Ziggy & Damien to come out for like 2 minutes to sing an actual Marley song. WTH was the point?

66 Mich-again  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:29:06pm

Jack White and his band killed it!

67 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:39:57pm
68 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:40:14pm

re: #58 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

69 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:43:06pm

re: #67 Single-handed sailor

KILLER nic pic!

70 Lidane  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:43:12pm

Oh, Walking Dead. How I’ve missed you.

Glenn is a badass. Also, Rick needs sleep, meds, and some alone time to get his shit together, in that order. And I’d ask a question about something I thought I saw in this episode, but it might be spoilery.

71 Single-handed sailor  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:51:23pm

re: #69 Dancing along the light of day

KILLER nic pic!

Thank you, although I can’t take any credit. I stole it :(

72 bratwurst  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:56:12pm

re: #70 Lidane

Lidane, your Twitter appears to have been hacked! Just got a direct message from you with a link to a phishing site.

73 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 7:56:31pm
74 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:04:04pm
75 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:15:00pm

Pelosi is one sharp tack.

76 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:17:23pm

Getting pissed with Skyrim. Out of the blue, one of the quest NPCs stopped working. Tried reloading, restarting, console commands to reenable, even tried forcing the story to complete and it won’t work.

77 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:24:57pm

re: #48 Mich-again

Punctuation is important..

“Let’s eat Grandma.”
“Let’s eat, Grandma.”

“Private? No! Swimming allowed!”

78 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:30:23pm

re: #72 bratwurst

Lidane, your Twitter appears to have been hacked! Just got a direct message from you with a link to a phishing site.

Me too.

79 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:30:31pm

re: #73 Gus

The experts who’ve studied the issue for much of their lives tend to come to a different conclusion. It’s a fact that past generations of soldiers were much less willing to pull the trigger on the battlefield with another human being in their sights. The idea that video games, first person shooters especially, either simply can’t or don’t act as operant conditioning is kind of ridiculous.

In 1992, the national body of the American Psychological Association said, “The scientific debate is over.” In 1999, the American Psychological Association said, to argue [that media violence does not cause real violence], is like arguing against gravity. So, for the man to stand up, in front of this—the New Jersey Psychological Association—and claim it, is like standing up at B’nai B’rith and claiming that you can’t prove that the Holocaust happened, and it never happened.

Lt. Col. David Grossman

The next point he makes is hard to dismiss, except it seems by those with a vested political or commercial interest in maintaining denial.

“This concept of these things being fantasy is interesting,” Grossman said, “because the Holy Grail of this industry is realism, seeking ever greater levels of realism. And, when the child spends more waking hours playing the game than he does anything else, what becomes fantasy and what becomes reality?

People tell me, ‘you can’t tell me that a 6-year-old in Flint, Mich., couldn’t tell the difference between fantasy and reality.’” Grossman said, recalling the Feb. 29 shooting in which a 6-year-old boy shot and killed a classmate. “And I say, ‘Well, you know, how many adults do you know who think professional wrestling is real?”

Anyway, the Supreme Court has determined that video games are protected speech, even though the founders who wrote the constitution couldn’t have possibly conceived of them at the time the it was written. This pretty much destroys the argument that semi automatic rifles can’t be protected because the contemporary state of the art arms were muzzle loaders. Either the Constitution is a living document or it isn’t.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:30:48pm

re: #76 Kragar

Getting pissed with Skyrim. Out of the blue, one of the quest NPCs stopped working. Tried reloading, restarting, console commands to reenable, even tried forcing the story to complete and it won’t work.

She’s just not into you, man.

81 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:41:44pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

That’s a terrible analogy, Frank. The Founders were well aware of the power of propaganda, which is every bit as powerful as some putative effect which Grossman has not done any actual clinical research to support.

If you come with some peer-reviewed papers demonstrating this supposed desensitization effect, I’ll be happy to change my position. And not bullshit papers like this:

[Link: psychcentral.com…]

Where they equate having a relatively lower heart rate and galvanic skin response on seeing real violence after having just played a violent video game with being ‘desensitized’ to it.

Here is a report on a metareview of the literature— most of the ‘research’ done on it has been supremely shitty.

[Link: www.gamepolitics.com…]

82 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:41:56pm

Lidane, a spambot or something took over your twitter account

83 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:42:38pm

re: #79 goddamnedfrank

It’s possible that excess playing of extremely realistic games could have a desensitizing effect in some cases, but to make the leap that they cause gun violence? If that’s the case, how on Earth does one explain this?

Image: Video-games-and-gun-violence-Washington-Post-1.jpg

Note the position of the United States vs. just about every other country on the chart. Moral of the story? A shitload of other factors contribute far more to gun violence.

84 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:42:53pm

re: #82 Kronocide

Lidane, a spambot or something took over your twitter account

And Lidane, if you use that password for anything else, change all of them. Probably just change all your passwords, fuck it.

85 Interesting Times  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:47:24pm

Speaking of Pelosi (the younger, in this case):

86 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:48:03pm

Holy shit. It killed my ability to send Tweets.

87 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:50:06pm

Nevermind. Seems OK.

88 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:50:49pm

Any news on Sergey?

89 Lidane  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:51:55pm

re: #82 Kronocide

Lidane, a spambot or something took over your twitter account

Yeah. I changed the password and revoked all the apps that had access except for a couple that I trust.

Now I have to go change all my other passwords. Dammit.

90 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:55:33pm

re: #89 Lidane

It’s like penance, or a decontamination shower.

91 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:58:38pm
92 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 8:58:50pm

Clicked on it for shits and giggles. I trust Kaspersky. Otherwise, hackers are idiots.

93 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:00:43pm

re: #88 Kronocide

Any news on Sergey?

? Is there a problem? I missed this! I hope all is well for him!

94 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:09:16pm
95 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:13:41pm

re: #92 Gus

Clicked on it for shits and giggles. I trust Kaspersky. Otherwise, hackers are idiots.

Are you out of you mind?? Don’t EVER trust any antivirus 100%.

That link redirects to a server in China that appears to screw with people’s session token in a way that probably makes it look like you logged out and then sends you to a phishing site with a fake Twitter login screen. Once there people will undoubtedly have their passwords stolen and get infected with some kind of nasty malware.

Check out what the link I got looks like when decoded via longurl.org.

Here’s the whois info on the domain.

96 Lidane  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:16:01pm

re: #90 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s like penance, or a decontamination shower.

Keeps you on your toes, if nothing else.

I’ve done my part to warn people, telling my FB list that if they got a message from me not to click the link because it’s a scam and I got hacked. And I definitely tweeted about the hack, too. And all my major social passwords, my bank, and PayPal are all changed. Now I have to do the rest of them.

Blah.

97 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:16:47pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Are you out of you mind?? Don’t EVER trust any antivirus 100%.

That link redirects to a server in China that appears to screw with people’s session token in a way that probably makes it look like you logged out and then sends you to a phishing site with a fake Twitter login screen. Once there people will undoubtedly have their passwords stolen and get infected with some kind of nasty malware.

Check out what the link I got looks like when decoded via longurl.org.

Here’s the whois info on the domain.

Only way that I would knowingly click a link like that is in a VM.

98 erik_t  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:18:05pm

re: #97 TedStriker

Only way that I would knowingly click a link like that is in a VM.

Things that shit in VM sandboxes: dubious links and cats.

99 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:21:03pm

نهاية التسرع ( انصحك لاتعيش الجو ) THE MIST

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Are you out of you mind?? Don’t EVER trust any antivirus 100%.

That link redirects to a server in China that appears to screw with people’s session token in a way that probably makes it look like you logged out and then sends you to a phishing site with a fake Twitter login screen. Once there people will undoubtedly have their passwords stolen and get infected with some kind of nasty malware.

Check out what the link I got looks like when decoded via longurl.org.

Here’s the whois info on the domain.

It created a wall. Didn’t go beyond that.

100 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:22:14pm

re: #97 TedStriker

Only way that I would knowingly click a link like that is in a VM.

I won’t click any link unless I know for sure where it goes, and I run NoScript in Firefox just to be on the safe side. Ditto email attachments; if someone didn’t tell me to expect one, I won’t open it till they confirm it’s legit.

101 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:24:01pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Cognitive dissonance in a nutshell.

Advertising, say, a certain kind of beer isn’t going to make people who drink wine likely to drink beer, at all. It is, however, slightly likely to make someone who was planning on drinking beer already drink beer. It’s also likely to make children think that drinking beer is acceptable in society— the last part is the only possible link I see, and games are a bad fit for that crossover since they have their own self-justified realities.

Some things can’t be covered by an internet meme. Sometimes a series of gifs is the bare minimum of proof for a hypothesis.

Seriously, take a look at what I posted above about the metareview of the literature.

102 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:24:28pm

re: #99 Gus

نهاية التسرع ( انصحك لاتعيش الجو ) THE MIST

It created a wall. Didn’t go beyond that.

You were lucky. Don’t do that again PLEASE. *scowls at Gus*

103 erik_t  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:25:09pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

I won’t click any link unless I know for sure where it goes, and I run NoScript in Firefox just to be on the safe side. Ditto email attachments; if someone didn’t tell me to expect one, I won’t open it till they confirm it’s legit.

I include a subject statement. eg: [ blablablasubject, (2 attachments, ~480kb) ].

This has served me well and I’ve never seen a nefarious spambot emulate it.

104 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:26:45pm

re: #103 erik_t

I include a subject statement. eg: [ blablablasubject, (2 attachments, ~480kb) ].

This has served me well and I’ve never seen a nefarious spambot emulate it.

Cool. Sounds like a pretty good policy.

105 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:28:03pm

re: #102 CuriousLurker

You were lucky. Don’t do that again PLEASE. *scowls at Gus*

Oops. Sorry. I didn’t post the video at least. It’s the bad part.

106 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:28:46pm
A look at history might help illustrate what I am talking about. In World War Two, it is a fact that only 15-20 percent of the soldiers fired at the enemy. That is one in five soldiers actually shooting at a Nazi when he sees one. While this rate may have increased in desperate situations, in most combat situations soldiers were reluctant to kill each other. The Civil War was not dramatically different or any previous wars.

In WW2 only one percent of the pilots accounted for thirty to forty percent of enemy fighters shot down in the air. Some pilots didn’t shoot down a single enemy plane.

In Korea, the rate of soldiers unwilling to fire on the enemy decreased and fifty five percent of the soldiers fired at the enemy. In Vietnam, this rate increased to about ninety five percent but this doesn’t mean they were trying to hit the target. In fact it usually took around fifty-two thousand bullets to score one kill in regular infantry units! It may be interesting to not that when Special Forces kills are recorded and monitored this often includes kills scored by calling in artillery or close air support. In this way SF type units could score very high kill ratios like fifty to a hundred for every SF trooper killed. This is not to say these elite troops didn’t score a large number of bullet type kills. It is interesting to note that most kills in war are from artillery or other mass destruction type weapons.

If one studies history and is able to cut through the hype, one will find that man is often unwilling to kill his fellow man and the fighter finds it very traumatic when he has to do so. On the battlefield the stress of being killed and injured is not always the main fear.

If these mass shootings, especially at schools are becoming a problem now, and that’s kind of an assumption to begin with since the overall rate has been more or less steady for a while, shouldn’t we ask why. If you argue that it’s the ubiquity of guns, then try to explain this against the steadily decreasing number of US households with guns. The number of US households with guns have decreased as the US population has become more and more urban, and the US intentional homicide rate is at the lowest point it’s been in 40 years. If it’s the guns why wasn’t it always the guns, and why was the intentional homicide rate higher when the total number of guns manufactured was lower but more US households had them?

107 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:31:59pm

re: #105 Gus

Oops. Sorry. I didn’t post the video at least. It’s the bad part.

E gad. Just be careful. If you pull a Houdini due to malware when everyone is already worried about you ‘cause of your leg, then we’re gonna be double worried. // scolding over

Okay, time to get ready for Monday. Later, y’all.

108 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:32:35pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

There is really unlikely to ever be a single factor that acts in a purely linear fashion.

But this sentence confuses me:

If it’s the guns why wasn’t it always the guns, and why was the intentional homicide rate higher when the total number of guns manufactured was lower but more US households had them?

Isn’t that an option to explain that right there, if you want to look for something simple?

109 Gus  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:33:30pm

re: #107 CuriousLurker

E gad. Just be careful. If you pull a Houdini due to malware when everyone is already worried about you ‘cause of your leg, then we’re gonna be double worried. // scolding over

Okay, time to get ready for Monday. Later, y’all.

Night CL.

110 klys  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:35:35pm

re: #106 goddamnedfrank

If these mass shootings, especially at schools are becoming a problem now, and that’s kind of an assumption to begin with since the overall rate has been more or less steady for a while, shouldn’t we ask why. If you argue that it’s the ubiquity of guns, then try to explain this against the steadily decreasing number of US households with guns. The number of US households with guns have decreased as the US population has become more and more urban, and the US intentional homicide rate is at the lowest point it’s been in 40 years. If it’s the guns why wasn’t it always the guns, and why was the intentional homicide rate higher when the total number of guns manufactured was lower but more US households had them?

From your quote:

In WW2 only one percent of the pilots accounted for thirty to forty percent of enemy fighters shot down in the air.

One could extrapolate that this means that some percentage of the population is …more comfortable with being willing to fire. With better availability of guns that have higher firing rates in the hands of more of the general populace (and I suspect that rate may have increased somewhat since, say, the 1940s), that could potentially put guns capable of higher kill totals in the hands of more people willing to pull the trigger.

This is all theoretical, of course.

There are other countries that enjoy video games. They don’t have the same rate of gun violence the US does. There have to be other factors involved.

111 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:39:27pm
112 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:40:59pm

re: #108 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There is really unlikely to ever be a single factor that acts in a purely linear fashion.

But this sentence confuses me:

Isn’t that an option to explain that right there, if you want to look for something simple?

If more US households had guns then a greater percentage of children had access to them in the past. If the theory that these mass / school shootings are a relatively new phenomena because of the availability of guns in society, the ubiquity of guns in homes when the boomers were growing up should have been reflected in the earlier bumps in the homicide rate. Anyway, most criminologists I’ve read have tended to explain that second bump in the homicide rate by the disproportionate number of young males dumped on society by the baby boom, the first bump is usually attributed to Prohibition.

113 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:44:22pm

re: #111 Kragar

GOP strategist: We need Rubio because ‘he knows who Tupac is’

[Embedded content]

Wow.

Patronizing, with a hint of bigotry thrown in.

114 Mattand  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:48:53pm

re: #91 goddamnedfrank

Cognitive dissonance in a nutshell.

I like how the Einstein depicted is the elderly version from the 40’s and 50’s, but is dressed like an accountant from 1905.

115 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 9:56:00pm

re: #112 goddamnedfrank

If more US households had guns then a greater percentage of children had access to them in the past. If the theory that these mass / school shootings are a relatively new phenomena because of the availability of guns in society, the ubiquity of guns in homes when the boomers were growing up should have been reflected in the earlier bumps in the homicide rate. Anyway, most criminologists I’ve read have tended to explain that second bump in the homicide rate by the disproportionate number of young males dumped on society by the baby boom, the first bump is usually attributed to Prohibition.

I didn’t think the theory was school shootings were new because of the availability of guns. I didn’t really think school shootings were new, I thought they’d just gotten deadlier. I could be totally wrong on that, of course.

I don’t think we should construct gun laws focused on stopping mass shootings, but one that will help in a broader way.

116 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:04:40pm

If you look at the US intentional homicide rate chart, you’ll notice that the lowest decade plus dip corresponds to the time period that the government allowing its surplus “assault rifles” to be sold at below cost via mail order. I can’t find any stories of school shootings from this period, though one could argue that the end of the era was marked by the Charles Whitman incident in 1966.

re: #115 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t think we should construct gun laws focused on stopping mass shootings, but one that will help in a broader way.

This I completely agree with. Which is why I think it’s perfectly reasonable to target compact handguns, even though if my policy were enacted a good chunk of the guns I own would suddenly be heavily restricted. Even if the intentional homicide rate is low, the fact that concealable handguns are responsible for the vast majority of gun crime is a compelling reason for them to be much more heavily regulated.

117 Lidane  Sun, Feb 10, 2013 10:11:38pm
118 freetoken  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 2:12:49am
119 freetoken  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 2:58:35am
120 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:07:05am

OH SAY CAN YOU SEE, BY THE DAWN’S EARLY AUUUUGGGGHHH

121 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:15:28am

The pope is stepping down.

122 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:18:15am

Whoa! Has that ever happened before, I wonder?

123 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:19:00am

Okay- 600 years ago.

124 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:42:07am

re: #121 Shvaughn

The pope is stepping down.

[Link: ca.news.yahoo.com…]

125 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 3:42:21am

re: #122 dragonath

Whoa! Has that ever happened before, I wonder?

Pope Benedict said on Monday he will resign on Feb 28 because he no longer has the strength to fulfill the duties of his office, becoming the first pontiff since the Middle Ages to take such a step.

126 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:20:10am

re: #125 sattv4u2

Let’s see if the Catholic church blows another chance at reform.

127 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:20:56am

I’m waiting for il Papa to announce that he is resigning in order to be with “the woman (or the man) I love”

128 Shvaughn  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:21:45am

re: #126 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Let’s see if the Catholic church blows another chance at reform.

You say that as if there’s a chance they won’t blow it.

129 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:22:47am

FTA
In a statement, the pope said in order to govern “…both strength of mind and body are necessary, strength which in the last few months, has deteriorated in me to the extent that I have had to recognize my incapacity to adequately fulfill the ministry entrusted to me.

130 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:28:46am

AP story

[Link: hosted.ap.org…]

the pontiff had been advised by his doctor not to take any more transatlantic trips and had been considering stepping down for months.

131 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:34:46am

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

132 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:35:48am

re: #129 sattv4u2

The weird political part is that in saying that, there’s an implicit criticism of John Paul II for not stepping down.

133 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:36:51am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

I knew an old parish priest who would have been great, but he died.

Probably my friend Marge, otherwise known as Sister Mary Clemente. Though she’s quite old, she’s sharp as a tack.

134 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:37:09am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

Michel Piccoli

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

135 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:37:39am

re: #132 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The weird political part is that in saying that, there’s an implicit criticism of John Paul II for not stepping down.

And many prior

136 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:40:02am

I actually think it would be a good precedent for popes to step down before they keel over, but that’s just me.

I’d nominate the San Diego Chicken

137 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:43:23am

I agree
I don’t think there should be a retirement ‘age” per se, but some self awareness (coupled with advice from staff and physicians) shouold come in to play

138 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:43:26am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

I dunno, but I’d kinda like to see somebody start a rumor that Obama would like to be Pope, if only to see the googly eyes from certain news commentators.

139 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:44:13am

re: #138 BongCrodny

I dunno, but I’d kinda like to see somebody start a rumor that Obama would like to be Pope, if only to see the googly eyes from certain news commentators.

140 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:45:15am
141 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:45:23am

re: #136 dragonath

I actually think it would be a good precedent for popes to step down before they keel over, but that’s just me.

Popes, judges, doctors, acrobats, baseball managers, William Shatner.

142 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:45:23am
143 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:46:36am

Hey, wait, Colbert is Catholic.

There we go.

144 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:47:34am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

Glenn Beck: “Obama to make himself Pope and hand the Papal crown over to the new Muslim Caliphate.”

Man, you can’t even make a joke these days without having some nutball already beat you to the punch.

145 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:48:15am

re: #143 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Hey, wait, Colbert is Catholic.

There we go.

That works.

146 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:48:46am

Speaking about Pope Obama, here’s a lame cartoon from the Investor’s Business Daily.

Image: pope%20obama.jpg

So, yeah, this is what right wingers think about, I guess

147 Usually refered to as anyways  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:50:58am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

Narayanan Krishnan

148 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:53:16am

re: #146 dragonath

Speaking about Pope Obama, here’s a lame cartoon from the Investor’s Business Daily.

Image: pope%20obama.jpg

So, yeah, this is what right wingers think about, I guess

I love Ramirez’s art, but his ideas are strictly Wingnut 101.

My local rag has taken to running Glenn McCoy’s cartoons, and seeing just one of those stupid things puts me in a fouler mood than any 20 editorials-I-don’t-agree-with.

149 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:55:05am

re: #146 dragonath

Speaking about Pope Obama, here’s a lame cartoon from the Investor’s Business Daily.

Image: pope%20obama.jpg

So, yeah, this is what right wingers think about, I guess

We can expect that to be reTweeted by TGDN like about a million gazillion times.

150 freetoken  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:55:23am

re: #126 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Let’s see if the Catholic church blows another chance at reform.

Time for a female Pope?

151 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:55:53am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

Now that I think of it, instead of an old, white male let’s go in the completely opposite direction.

I’ll nominate Malala Yousafzai.

152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:55:55am

re: #141 BongCrodny

Popes, judges, doctors, acrobats, baseball managers, William Shatner.

Shatner seems to be still going strong. Hey, maybe he could be pope.

153 freetoken  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:56:48am

re: #152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Shatner seems to be still going strong. Hey, maybe he could be pope.

Free-verse sermons - that could set a trend.

154 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:56:52am

Hey, what’s wrong with George Takei?

155 BongCrodny  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:57:05am

re: #152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Shatner seems to be still going strong. Hey, maybe he could be pope.

Pope Tiberius?

156 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 4:58:45am

Did Nicodemus predict the whole line of Popes? So who’s up next in Nico’s batting order?

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:01:41am

The first Pope to use Twiltter, and the first Pope in centuries to step down…more than a coincidence?

158 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:01:53am

Oh it was some guy named Malachy who predicted the popes, not Nicodemus.

159 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:02:25am

re: #157 Sol Berdinowitz

The first Pope to use Twiltter, and the first Pope in centuries to step down…more than a coincidence?

Megan Phelps-Roper also quit Westboro after using Twitter.

160 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:04:31am

Just checked the wiki for Malachy’s batting order. Peter the Roman is up next. Looks like a power hitter. Then the World Series is over.

161 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:06:33am

Sandra Fluke for Pope.

162 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:10:15am

Derp:

163 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:11:07am

It actually seems kind of fitting for this pope to go out in such a medieval fashion. He’s a traditionalist!

164 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:19:55am

re: #163 dragonath

It actually seems kind of fitting for this pope to go out in such a medieval fashion. He’s a traditionalist!

You mean he’s gettin’ all medieval on us?

165 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:20:44am

re: #131 Vicious Babushka

Who should be the next Pope? If you could nominate ANYBODY, regardless of race, gender or even being Catholic, who would you choose?

My dorm mate, (Sean) Patrick O’Malley, who will be one of the voting cardinals.

166 ProBosniaLiberal  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:26:41am

I see the Pope is resigning. The first since 1415. So, who is it now?

167 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:27:03am

re: #165 Decatur Deb

My dorm mate, (Sean) Patrick O’Malley, who will be one of the voting cardinals.

My old high school friend, Katie McLean, who once dragged me into a church so that we could get a glimpse of her favorite opera star Renata Tebaldi.

168 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:27:19am

re: #166 ProBosniaLiberal

I see the Pope is resigning. The first since 1415. So, who is it now?

We’re accepting nominations.

169 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:28:44am

re: #166 ProBosniaLiberal

I see the Pope is resigning. The first since 1415. So, who is it now?

Pope Kanye or GTFO. The Twitter meltdowns will be hilarious.

170 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:29:11am

Justin Bieber. Let the destruction begin.

171 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:31:15am

Interesting observation from a commenter over at Commonweal:

The Pope used the expression ingravescentem aetatem which echoes Paul VI’s decision about retirement ages for clerics of lower than papal status; suggesting that Popes may henceforth retire at a certain age.

172 darthstar  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:32:51am

Who the fuck does this guy think he is? Sarah Palin? He can’t just quit.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Benedict XVI announced Monday that he would resign Feb. 28 — the first pontiff to do so in nearly 600 years. The decision sets the stage for a conclave to elect a new pope before the end of March.

173 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:34:07am

re: #171 dragonath

Interesting observation from a commenter over at Commonweal:

At a frequency of 1:30 years, they could probably manage it on a case-by-case basis.

174 darthstar  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:43:33am

“I’m 85 years old…this celibacy vow is bad enough, but after seeing Beyonce during the superbowl I just can’t take it anymore!”
—Benedict XVI

175 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:44:24am

re: #174 darthstar

“I’m 85 years old…this celibacy vow is bad enough, but after seeing Beyonce during the superbowl I just can’t take it anymore!”
—Benedict XVI

Why are you so sure that he swings that way? Maybe he is totally into Justin Bieber.

176 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:45:35am

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Why are you so sure that he swings that way? Maybe he is totally into Justin Bieber.

Can’t prove he’s straight, but I’m sure he has better taste in music.

177 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:45:38am

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Why are you so sure that he swings that way? Maybe he is totally into Justin Bieber.

hehehehe. OK, let’s make Ozzy Osbourne the next Pope. Many ‘plodey heads.

178 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:47:31am
179 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:48:26am
180 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 5:53:09am

Ripped from Gawker:

TOTALLY on topic music:

[Link: kotaku.com…]

181 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:10:58am
Benedict XVI ‏@Pontifex

Ex cathedra, omnibus vobis. Pontifex? Pontifutuis vos. #TGDN #Phallus_Dei #Ad_Undus

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182 Flounder  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:11:06am

I nominate Nathan Lane for Pope.

183 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:19:53am

re: #179 Lidane

That explains all the ongoing vacancies on the Council of Trent as well.
/

184 HappyWarrior  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:24:42am

re: #182 Flounder

I nominate Nathan Lane for Pope.

Joe Pesci. In thinking about what George Carlin always said about him. Seriously though, what shocking news as this hasn’t happened in nearly 700 years.

185 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:26:13am

Greets and saluts from the soggy NYC metro area. Freezing rain made for a miserable commute in, but it’s still rough going from Long Island and Connecticut where they’re still clearing snow off roads.

And then the Pope announced that he’s retiring. Well, he’s leaving on his own terms, rather than on a stretcher. I’ve read that he’s always considered himself to be a caretaker pope until his successor could be arranged. This may play into that, but who knows.

If the College of Cardinals were thinking about a long-term shift in policy, they ought to consider someone from outside Europe for the next pope, but I think they’ll stick with what’s got them to this point.

186 sagehen  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:26:52am

re: #175 Vicious Babushka

Why are you so sure that he swings that way? Maybe he is totally into Justin Bieber.

Isn’t Justin Bieber a little too old for him?

187 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:27:18am
188 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:30:12am

re: #187 dragonath

Quite possibly the most misanthropic comment section ever

Yahoo comments are always sickening. These people were all caught on the road because they could not leave work any sooner.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:30:27am

re: #185 lawhawk

If the College of Cardinals were thinking about a long-term shift in policy, they ought to consider someone from outside Europe for the next pope, but I think they’ll stick with what’s got them to this poin
t.

Prediction (based on nothing but gut instinct) The next Pope will come from (be currently based in) South America

190 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:32:33am

re: #189 sattv4u2


If the College of Cardinals were thinking about a long-term shift in policy, they ought to consider someone from outside Europe for the next pope, but I think they’ll stick with what’s got them to this poin
t.

Prediction (based on nothing but gut instinct) The next Pope will come from (be currently based in) South America

Malachy’s prediction says that he will be a Roman.

191 Decatur Deb  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:37:22am

Going into the Low-Fi Zone for a week or so, if we can get around the roads that are flooding from last night’s storms. BBE (Be Back Erratically)

192 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:39:08am

re: #174 darthstar

My kingdom for more updings to give…

193 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:39:17am

re: #189 sattv4u2

Prediction (based on nothing but gut instinct) The next Pope will come from (be currently based in) South America

I doubt it. After John Paul II’s death, there were expectations that the next Pope would be from South America or Africa because of the resurgence of the Church there, but the Vatican went with Ratzinger.

I’m sure they’ll find another European cardinal to go with.

194 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:40:33am

re: #193 Lidane

I doubt it. After John Paul II’s death, there were expectations that the next Pope would be from South America or Africa because of the resurgence of the Church there, but the Vatican went with Ratzinger.

I’m sure they’ll find another European cardinal to go with.

Most likely, but as stated, just a gut feeling (and yes, partially based on the expectations from last conclave)

195 dragonath  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:40:45am

Hasn’t the college ever felt the urge to stick it to Malachy? Roman Schmoman, we’re gonna choose a left handed Mongolian ex-Communist, that’s what.

196 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:40:56am
197 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:42:40am
198 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:43:15am
199 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:47:11am

re: #195 dragonath

Hasn’t the college ever felt the urge to stick it to Malachy? Roman Schmoman, we’re gonna choose a left handed Mongolian ex-Communist, that’s what.

Saw a commercial last night for some restaurant chain espousing their new “Mongolian Stir-fry - with beef and shrimp”. I never quite associated seafood with Mongolia.
:p

200 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:48:54am

re: #194 sattv4u2

Most likely, but as stated, just a gut feeling (and yes, partially based on the expectations from last conclave)

I’m just thinking that Ratzinger’s time as Pope has been even more conservative than usual. Plus he surrounded himself with cardinals who were highly traditionalist as well. I can’t see such an insular group going with anyone who isn’t another old white guy from Europe.

201 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:49:07am

Peter the Roma, the first Gypsy Pope

202 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:49:54am

re: #193 Lidane

I doubt it. After John Paul II’s death, there were expectations that the next Pope would be from South America or Africa because of the resurgence of the Church there, but the Vatican went with Ratzinger.

I’m sure they’ll find another European cardinal to go with.

It’s a shame Cardinal Sin is no longer available.

203 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:51:35am

So Pope Bennie is hanging it up? That’s rather sudden. Always thought this was sort of a “‘til death do us part” sort of deal.

204 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:52:12am

re: #203 Targetpractice

So Pope Bennie is hanging it up? That’s rather sudden. Always thought this was sort of a “‘til death do us part” sort of deal.

No longer “fun to be the Pope”

205 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:52:52am

re: #196 Vicious Babushka

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” - Gandhi (attributed)

206 Mattand  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:53:10am

re: #137 sattv4u2

I agree
I don’t think there should be a retirement ‘age” per se, but some self awareness (coupled with advice from staff and physicians) shouold come in to play

Given the Church’s handling of their little child molestation issues, I would not hold my breath on the self-awareness thingy.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:53:18am

re: #203 Targetpractice

So Pope Bennie is hanging it up? That’s rather sudden. Always thought this was sort of a “‘til death do us part” sort of deal.

Generally has been. However, if his medical staff advised him to not travel, and so forth, he might have decided that stepping down was better for the Church than its leadership being hampered by having a immobile husk sitting on the throne.

208 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:53:26am

re: #204 Vicious Babushka

No longer “fun to be the Pope”

Strange days indeed.

209 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:54:34am

re: #206 Mattand

Given the Church’s handling on their little child molestation issues, I would not hold my breath on the self-awareness thingy.

There has to be some muttering on the fringe that the various scandals have a lot to do with this. Pressure to step down due to fostering cover ups, or perhaps not fostering them enough.

210 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:57:17am

re: #206 Mattand

Given the Church’s handling off their little child molestation issues, I would not hold my breath on the self-awareness thingy.

211 Mattand  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 6:59:19am

re: #209 Feline Fearless Leader

There has to be some muttering on the fringe that the various scandals have a lot to do with this. Pressure to step down due to fostering cover ups, or perhaps not fostering them enough.

I don’t know how “fringe” it is, given the enormity of the problem.

From everything I read about Ratzinger, he was old school to the core, to the point of making JP2 look like a hippie. Generally, you don’t retire from being the pope.

I’m sure health issues are playing a problem, but you have to wonder if some major shit is going to hit the fan, and soon.

212 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:00:04am

re: #210 Lidane

Indeed, makes one wonder if this isn’t part of an effort on the Church’s behalf to plow this particular story under with the election of a new pontiff.

213 lawhawk  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:00:14am

Developing: Carnival Triumph engine fire has left ship drifting without propulsion. Tugboat is on route but it will take days to bring it back to a port. The ship will be brought in to a port in the Yucatan and [passengers] will be flown back to Houston where the cruise originated.

214 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:03:17am

re: #211 Mattand

but you have to wonder if some major shit is going to hit the fan, and soon.

Maybe, but I don’t think so.

At his age (and failing health) it would be better for the churches future that if something was imminent it came while he was still Pope so the new one could come in without that being one of the 1st things on his plate

215 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:05:37am

re: #211 Mattand

I don’t know how “fringe” it is, given the enormity of the problem.

From everything I read about Ratzinger, he was old school to the core, to the point of making JP2 look like a hippie. Generally, you don’t retire from being the pope.

I’m sure health issues are playing a problem, but you have to wonder if some major shit is going to hit the fan, and soon.

Well, the Los Angeles diocese robbing various funds earmarked for other purposes to pay off lawsuits is certainly raising a stir. But you’d expect that to happen in an organization facing sudden financial challenges.

And any fundraising effort by them is essentially going to that purpose as well - regardless of how they sell it to the laity. Any funds raised are simply allowing them to divert regular income to the payoffs.

216 Gus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:06:59am
217 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:07:16am

re: #213 lawhawk

Developing: Carnival Triumph engine fire has left ship drifting without propulsion. Tugboat is on route but it will take days to bring it back to a port. The ship will be brought in to a port in the Yucatan and will be flown back to Houston where the cruise originated.

“flown back”?

I would think it would be cheaper to tow it back

218 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:08:03am

re: #217 sattv4u2

“flown back”?

I would think it would be cheaper to tow it back

Think he meant passengers will be flown back…I hope.

219 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:08:10am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons!

220 Gus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:08:58am
221 Gus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:09:12am

hmmmm.

222 Bulworth  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:09:13am

re: #216 Gus

Did the Pope change the talking points for the Sunday talk shows? Was the Pope sleeping or watching the attack in real time video? The people of the world demand more answers and more information. /

223 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:12:14am

Good morning lizards!

224 Mattand  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:12:22am

re: #214 sattv4u2

but you have to wonder if some major shit is going to hit the fan, and soon.

Maybe, but I don’t think so.

At his age (and failing health) it would be better for the churches future that if something was imminent it came while he was still Pope so the new one could come in without that being one of the 1st things on his plate

It would be better for the church’s future if they cleaned up their fucking act over their treatment of children. And as someone else alluded above, the new boss is most likely going to be the same as the old one.

225 EmmaAnne  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:12:27am

Hillary Clinton for pope. She’d sort them out in short order.

226 kirkspencer  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:12:54am

re: #215 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, the Los Angeles diocese robbing various funds earmarked for other purposes to pay off lawsuits is certainly raising a stir. But you’d expect that to happen in an organization facing sudden financial challenges.

And any fundraising effort by them is essentially going to that purpose as well - regardless of how they sell it to the laity. Any funds raised are simply allowing them to divert regular income to the payoffs.

Sorta. Funds accounting is interesting (sorta), and there are some legal issues that could give the LA diocese problems. Things that taxable corporations can do with moneys are specifically prohibited by tax exempts, and more than a few have to do with if and when you can move money earmarked ‘here’ to ‘there’.

Simplistically the only way it would allow diversion of regular income to the payoffs is if the regular income were originally going whatever the fundraising is now covering.

227 Gus  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:22:06am

In other news. Whew.

228 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:24:04am

re: #217 sattv4u2

“flown back”?

I would think it would be cheaper to tow it back

I presume he meant the passengers.
;)

229 Flounder  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:25:14am

Catholic Church could make some money off this, Survivor Pope Island!?

230 erik_t  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:26:35am

I’m voting for Cardinal Glick.

231 darthstar  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:27:06am

Roses are red,
Violets are bluish,
A leprechaun told me
The next pope will be jewish.

232 Killgore Trout  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 7:28:34am

The Washington Times takes a giant step—backwards

But while some conservative leaders are courting minority groups, one of the movement’s ideological lodestars is taking a hard turn in the other direction. Last month, The Washington Times tapped Wesley Pruden, its one-time editor in chief, who was pushed out amid allegations that he allowed racism to fester in the newsroom, to run its Commentary section. Pruden’s return—part of a wide-ranging shakeup following the death of the Times’s founder—is a troubling sign for the opinion pages, long a key pipeline for conservative ideas and a training ground for right-of-center pundits.

Under Pruden’s leadership, from 1992 to 2008, the Times became a forum for the racialist hard right, including white nationalists, neo-Confederates, and anti-immigrant scare mongers (all of which the Southern Poverty Law Center and The Nation magazine have documented at length). Pruden’s own column, Pruden on Politics, was occasionally tinged with racial animus, too. In 2005, for instance, he lambasted the Senate for succumbing to “manufactured remorse” and passing a resolution of apology for blocking anti-lynching laws during the Jim Crow era.

233 Lidane  Mon, Feb 11, 2013 8:14:26am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

When did the Moonie Times ever take a step forward?


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