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Wingnut Blogs Raving About Non-Existent ‘Obamaphones’ Again

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The rabid partisan shills of the right wing blogosphere never stop parroting their assigned talking points, and one of the stupidest talking points of them all is the “Obamaphone.” The entire wingnut universe just keeps repeating this idiotic falsehood, even though it was debunked long ago.

The Lifeline program that provides phones to low-income Americans (so they won’t be cut off from emergency services) was actually started in 1984, as this Wall Street Journal article points out: Millions Improperly Claimed U.S. Phone Subsidies.

The U.S. government spent about $2.2 billion last year to provide phones to low-income Americans, but a Wall Street Journal review of the program shows that a large number of those who received the phones haven’t proved they are eligible to receive them.

The Lifeline program—begun in 1984 to ensure that poor people aren’t cut off from jobs, families and emergency services—is funded by charges that appear on the monthly bills of every landline and wireless-phone customer. Payouts under the program have shot up from $819 million in 2008, as more wireless carriers have persuaded regulators to let them offer the service.

Nevertheless, the right wingers keep squawking “Obamaphone! Obamaphone!” Notice that they’re all linking to this WSJ article that explicitly says the program started in 1984, under Ronald Reagan for Pete’s sake, yet they just ignore that troublesome fact and keep ranting.

Do they know they’re lying, or are they so locked into their closed loop that they really don’t know the difference between reality and fantasy? I think a lot of them are deliberately telling lies, but some, like Jim Hoft, are genuinely that dim-witted.

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177 comments

1 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:06:44am

SURE ENOUGH



2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:07:06am

There’s always an outrage somewhere. Honestly, I don’t see why this is a bad program. Poor people not being cut off from emergency services? How Stalinist!//

3 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:08:29am

It’s time for the president and other hateful leftist liberal secular humanists who hate America to reach across the aisle to work with true American patriot Republicans to get things done, like banning the billion dollar wasting Obamaphone program. //

4 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:08:33am

Would people really do that? Just go on the internet and tell lies?

5 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:08:38am

re: #2 HappyWarrior

There’s always an outrage somewhere. Honestly, I don’t see why this is a bad program. Poor people not being cut off from emergency services? How Stalinist!//

These are people who would let other starve to death because feeding them might destroy their work ethic.

6 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:09:21am

They keep harping on it because it fits with their belief system, namely that Obama’s fleecing hard-working folks to give stuff away to the welfare queens and lazy, shiftless blahs of America. Remember these are the folks who think having A/C and cable TV in 2012 is “proof” that the poor “have it too good.”

7 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:10:03am
Do they know they’re lying, or are they so locked into their closed loop that they really don’t know what’s real and what’s not?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

In all seriousness, though, I would say it’s the latter, at least for the average nutter. They’re so tightly enclosed in their alternate reality bubble that they legitimately think everything they hear and read is true. The people manipulating the nutters, however, damn well know better.

8 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:10:15am

Teh DERP is especially toxic today.

9 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:10:48am
$2.2B in Obamaphone program includes MILLION$ in fraud (BTW all US phone customers fund this thru fees)
on.wsj.com/YSUQUI
#TCOT
#TGDN
— Matthew King (@MJKing1)
February 12, 2013

Yeah, I’m sure the fraction of a cent or so tacked on this teabagger’s bill is going to break him. TYRANNY!

10 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:11:27am

Uh, Bob, FYI, JOBS contains 4 letters.

11 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:11:40am
“A review of five top recipients of Lifeline support conducted by the FCC for the Journal showed that 41% of their more than six million subscribers either couldn’t demonstrate their eligibility or didn’t respond to requests for certification.”

There’s a big difference between “couldn’t demonstrate eligibility”’ and “didn’t respond,” but why let it get in the way of the conservative narrative.

12 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:11:57am

re: #8 Vicious Babushka

Teh DERP is especially toxic today.

It’s also especially stupid:

Yes, because women haven’t been fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan the entire fucking time we’ve been there.

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:11:59am

What I find hilarious is that they’re somehow “shocked” by fraud in a government program. That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. One that’s as old as the concept of government itself.

14 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:12:32am

What right-wing white supremacism?

15 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:13:35am
Payouts under the program have shot up from $819 million in 2008, as more wireless carriers have persuaded regulators to let them offer the service

Why are more true blue American phone company services trying to expand this communistic service of free stuff?

//

16 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:13:37am

An unemployed grifter says what?

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:13:55am

re: #13 Targetpractice

What I find hilarious is that they’re somehow “shocked” by fraud in a government program. That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. One that’s as old as the concept of government itself.

What bugs me is everytime there’s fraud in a program which as you point out is old as government itself, they’re like GET RID OF IT. Yeah because that’s the solution. You actually will end up making people more government dependent by cutting programs just for the sake of cutting programs.

18 gwangung  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:14:13am

re: #13 Targetpractice

What I find hilarious is that they’re somehow “shocked” by fraud in a government program. That’s not a bug, it’s a feature. One that’s as old as the concept of government itself.

Or private corporations. Or any large organization.

Conservatives are so aflutter about “waste” that they’ll spend more on preventing “waste” than what they lose in it.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:14:20am

re: #16 Lidane

An unemployed grifter says what?

She needs to get over her pathetic grudge against Obama. It borders on creepy.

20 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:15:06am

re: #16 Lidane

An unemployed grifter says what?

The whole swarm believe in a Chris Kyle CONSPIRIACY

BECAUZ U CAN’T KILL A GOOD GUY IN A PLACE WHERE THEIR R SO MENY GOOD GUYS WITH GUNZ!1!

21 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:15:41am

I bet you can make an awesome tin-can telephone with a bootstrap.

Just sayin’.

22 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:15:55am
“The U.S. government spent about $2.2 billion last year to provide phones to low-income Americans, but a Wall Street Journal review of the program shows that a large number of those who received the phones haven’t proved they are eligible to receive them.”

It’s estimated that annual oil, gas and coal subsidies total between $10 and $52 billion annually. Those industries may not need them, but the WSJ needs to go after the poors’ telephone access.

23 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:16:02am

Speaking of the RWNJ alternate reality bubble:

24 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:16:46am

The Lifeline Phone program began in 1985 under President Reagan. Eligibility is as follows:

The Lifeline program is available to eligible low-income consumers in every state, territory, commonwealth, and on Tribal lands. Consumers with proper proof of eligibility may be qualified to enroll. To participate in the program, consumers must have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines or participate in a qualifying state, federal or Tribal assistance program.

To participate in the program, consumers must either have an income that is at or below 135% of the federal Poverty Guidelines or participate in one of the following assistance programs:


Medicaid;
Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps or SNAP);
Supplemental Security Income (SSI);
Federal Public House Assistance (Section 8);
Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP);
Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF);
National School Lunch Program’s Free Lunch Program;
Bureau of Indian Affairs General Assistance;
Tribally-Administrered Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TTANF);
Food Distribution Program on Indian Reservations (FDPIR);
Head Start (if income eligibility criteria are met); or
State assistance programs (if applicable).
Federal rules prohibit eligible low-income consumers from receiving more than one Lifeline discount per household. An eligible consumer may receive a discount on either a wireline or wireless service, but not both. A consumer whose household currently is receiving more than one Lifeline service must select a single Lifeline provider and contact the other provider to de-enroll from their program. Consumers violating this rule may also be subject to criminal and/or civil penalties.

Legislation passed in 2012 updates the program to reduce fraud and waste, and to make sure that only those who are eligible are utilizing the program as well as to expand the program to include broadband in selected states and Puerto Rico.

The program has two related components. An eligible user can get a $10 discount (though the Universal Service site below says $9.25) from a wireless or landline phone line per month. They can also get a discount of up to $30 towards the initial connection costs.

The program is accessible directly through the telecommunications carriers offering the program.

25 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:17:05am

re: #14 Vicious Babushka

That’s one thing you can say about true patriotic conservative God-fearing American teapatriots: they don’t harbor any resentment or hatred of other Americans, even of the no-good treasonous free stuff wanting unAmericans in university ivory towers in Hollywood who don’t love Jesus. No resentment whatsoever. //

26 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:17:12am

re: #7 Lidane

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

In all seriousness, though, I would say it’s the latter, at least for the average nutter. They’re so tightly enclosed in their alternate reality bubble that they legitimately think everything they hear and read is true. The people manipulating the nutters, however, damn well know better.

It seems to vary. I got in a mild exchange with a few FB friends who were pretty honest about things once I challenged the accuracy of a link they both used. One dropped it and the other added a comment thanking me for the correction.

Hasn’t stopped them from continuing a tendency to link or feature stuff that is at a minimal Tea Party-lite. It fits their current mindset* and thus they continue to echo it.

* - As a secondary example one FB friend who is a PSU alumni has taken to the new report commissioned by Paterno’s widow that challenges the Freeh Report as completely exonerating Paterno of any wrong-doing. It fits what he wants, so he will flog it. And said new report has carried out its primary purpose - the waters have been muddied now and everyone can decide to believe what they want to about things and carry on with establishing the new status quo of working back towards the old status quo. Until the next time someone gets caught being protected by Big Time College Football.

27 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:17:39am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

Math wasn’t one of his strong suits. Or spelling. Or the English language. /don’t stop, he’s on a roll.

28 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:18:02am

re: #18 gwangung

Or private corporations. Or any large organization.

Conservatives are so aflutter about “waste” that they’ll more on preventing “waste” than what they lose in it.

Yet that’s what always gets me. The defense budget is so convoluted and full of “waste” that the Pentagon had to launch an effort just to make said budget “audit-ready.” They had no clue where money was going, what was being done with it, and what that money was actually paying for. But if you suggest cutting the defense budget to encourage them to deal with that “waste,” you’ll get flayed alive by an army of Congress critters who rely upon that “waste” for jobs in their districts.

29 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:18:16am

re: #23 Lidane

Speaking of the RWNJ alternate reality bubble:

FUCK TEH YOONYUNZ. PEOPLE SHUD WURK 4 BOWL OF RICE & A GRUEL & B GREATFUL!1!

30 Robur  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:18:26am

If I’m not mistaken this gov. subsidized phone program was first initiated by none other than Richard Milhouse Nixon way the hell back in 197? and has been expanded and voted on to the retention of the program until this day. Funny that now that it is a Black Democrat as POTUS that it is some sort of parasitic welfare program that is somehow reprehensible. There seems to be no bottom to the right wing sump of hypocricy.

31 CarleeCork  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:19:21am

re: #16 Lidane

An unemployed grifter says what?

I wondered why she didn’t call out Gov. Goodhair for failing to lower the flags?

Wah, it’s all Obama’s fault.

32 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:19:48am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Borders? If she believes what she says, she’s insane, otherwise a gritter. Creepy either way.

33 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:19:50am

re: #16 Lidane

And should Obama ‘pay his respects’ as they’re demanding the unemployed grifter and the TGDN will claim that PBO is shamelessly exploiting his death, etc.

34 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:20:40am

re: #23 Lidane

Speaking of the RWNJ alternate reality bubble:

Heh. And Postmaster jobs were the classic government patronage handout job of a new administration coming in. Took decades and the whole Civil Service thing to essentially uproot it.

These people have such ignorance about history. Perhaps the only thing about them that amuses me - their ability to say things that are so completely and utterly stupid in the face of historical context.

35 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:20:44am

Cruise ship news: the riches on the drifting Carnival ship have run out of steerage immigrants low-wage crew members to eat.

36 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:21:43am

re: #23 Lidane

The mail should obviously deliver itself, or barring that, be delivered by people dressed in rags who live in underfunded shelters. /

37 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:22:06am

re: #23 Lidane

Speaking of the RWNJ alternate reality bubble:

Yeah, the announcement the other day about the ending of Saturday deliveries has unleashed two of the more predictable feral children: “Bust the union!” and “Run it like a business!”

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:22:29am

re: #7 Lidane

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

In all seriousness, though, I would say it’s the latter, at least for the average nutter. They’re so tightly enclosed in their alternate reality bubble that they legitimately think everything they hear and read is true. The people manipulating the nutters, however, damn well know better.

In the words of the late Dr. Barney Childs: half of one and six dozen of the other.

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:22:49am

re: #32 JeffFX

Borders? If she believes what she says, she’s insane, otherwise a gritter. Creepy either way.

True, true. Seriously though it is creepy. I am glad Fox pretty much let her go. Sick of her being treated like she has any credibility on politics. She doesn’t.

40 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:23:12am

re: #34 Feline Fearless Leader

These people have such ignorance about history. Perhaps the only thing about them that amuses me - their ability to say things that are so completely and utterly stupid in the face of historical context.

Case in point:

41 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:23:55am

re: #40 Lidane

Good example of the ‘dismantling of American thought.’

42 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:23:58am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

True, true. Seriously though it is creepy. I am glad Fox pretty much let her go. Sick of her being treated like she has any credibility on politics. She doesn’t.

FTFY

43 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:24:08am

I know a guy that is on disability and got an Obamaphone for free.
Here is the problem..They give you phones from trade-ins from phone customers. They are shit phones. My friend is on his 6th phone now after starting the program and this phone is crap too. It randomly dials numbers from his phone directory at all hours of the day and night. He needs to go get another phone again. It’s not exactly a gold plated Government program we are offering the poor. It’s more like good luck and we hope this works for you program.

44 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:24:59am

re: #40 Lidane

Case in point:

Yes, The Communist Dictatorship has seized & nationalized all the industries of the Koch brothers, put them on televised show trial and their execution will be broadcast following the SOTU.//

45 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:25:08am

Yes, American thought is being dismantled brick by brick.

But enough about Fox news and talk radio.

46 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:25:21am

Obama should zing Palin with this: “I was going to pay my respects to Mr.Kyle, but then I learned Mrs. Palin was already on her way to do so, and I certainly didn’t want to take any publicity away from her.”

47 gwangung  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:25:50am

re: #43 HoosierHoops

I know a guy that is on disability and got an Obamaphone for free.
Here is the problem..They give you phones from trade-ins from phone customers. They are shit phones. My friend is on his 6th phone now after starting the program and this phone is crap too. It randomly dials numbers from his phone directory at all hours of the day and night. He needs to go get another phone again. It’s not exactly a gold plated Government program we are offering the poor. It’s more like good luck and we hope this works for you program.

Hey! No fair using facts from reality!

48 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:26:13am

re: #43 HoosierHoops

I’m guessing he wouldn’t spend a lot of time responding to a WSJ flunky who called to ask him if he could prove he was eligible for the phone.

49 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:26:24am

re: #40 Lidane

Case in point:

Yes, American thought is being dismantled, which is why the wingnuts can only regurgitate the same shit they heard Rush saying the day before.

50 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:26:26am

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

Would anyone rich be on a carnival cruise. It seems very middle class to me.

51 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:26:40am

WTF.

52 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:27:20am

re: #50 JeffFX

Would anyone rich be on a carnival cruise. It seems very middle class to me.

Sux 2 b them right now.

53 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:27:45am

Yes, American thought is being dismantled.

But enough about grifters masquerading as Christians on religious TV networks.

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:28:10am
55 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:28:15am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

WTF.

What is this, I don’t even…?

56 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:29:12am

Yes, American thought is being dismantled.

But enough about TGDN idiots on Twitter.

57 Tigger2005  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:29:45am

Yes, American thought is being dismantled.

But enough about GOP leaders and members of Senate science committees who dodge basic science questions by saying “I’m not a scientist, man.”

58 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:30:06am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

@RARETWEET4U WITH SO MANY WORSHIPING HIM FORGET IMPEACHMENT CRUCIFIXION SEEM MORE APPROPRIATE ON THE UPSIDE DOWN CROSS #TEAPARTY #PJNET #TGDN #CCOT

Relevant.

59 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:30:15am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

At least that one knows what he is.

60 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:31:00am

It really is unbelievable to me to hear the same people who wanted anyone who so much as had a question for Bush’s handling of 9-11 making Benghazi out to be the worst thing ever to happen on a president’t watch. It was a terrible tragedy. And you know damn well that it pains Obama personally since he personally knew those who died. Even more maddening to see a bunch of assholes who only care about this as a means of attacking Obama. They should be mad tat the people who did the attack not Obama but wait all they have ot live for is their pathetic hatred.

61 Joanne  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:31:21am

re: #10 Vicious Babushka

Bob @NarniaDad

Obama memo to speechwriters: For #SOTU speech, don’t forget to throw the three-letter word, JOBS, in there. #tgdn #tcot

Uh, Bob, FYI, JOBS contains 4 letters.

Could we say the same thing to the GOP who refuses to vote on any Jobs bills, Bob?

62 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:32:20am

TEH OBAMA DERANGEMENT APPROACHING MAXIMUM OVERLOAD. ABORT! ABORT!

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:32:33am

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

64 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:33:24am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

Gay marriage threatens “life” by, um, ?

65 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:33:34am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

Obama’s a meanie is it.

66 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:33:42am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

Which one will make the tyrant/antichrist Obama look worse?

67 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:33:43am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

First response:

Image: Jesus_facepalm.jpg

Second response:

These dipshits do realize that the upside down cross is a Christian symbol, correct? It’s the Petrine Cross, since the story goes that Peter had himself crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die in the same manner that Jesus did.

68 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:33:55am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

TEH OBAMA DERANGEMENT APPROACHING MAXIMUM OVERLOAD. ABORT! ABORT!

Yeah my cousin and his husband having their marriage official by law really threatens humanity’s future. Right wingers are fucking drama queens. Let’s not worry about real things like global warming but let’s get our panties bunched up because two people of the same gender who love each other are having their love officially sanctioned. It’s just terrible except it’s not terrible at all.

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:34:03am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

OBAMAPHONE!

70 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:34:20am

re: #69 Charles Johnson

OBAMAPHONE!

Win.

71 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:34:39am

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

Tweeters who tweet in ALL CAPS are thought to be of special interest to scientists studying deranged behavior.

72 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:34:41am

re: #64 Bulworth

Gay marriage threatens “life” by, um, ?

GAY PEOPLE DON’T MAKE BAYBEEZ! LIFE AS WE KNOW IT WILL END!

73 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:35:10am

re: #67 Lidane

First response:

Image: Jesus_facepalm.jpg

Second response:

These dipshits do realize that the upside down cross is a Christian symbol, correct? It’s the Petrine Cross, since the story goes that Peter had himself crucified upside down because he felt unworthy to die in the same manner that Jesus did.

I guess that means they think Obama should be the new Pope.

74 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:35:21am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

All 3!!!!

/

75 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:35:25am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Jobs. It’s okay when the job producers do it, but bad when the government does it. That’s the logic, even though government spending can produce job growth (spending on bridge and road construction for instance can bring jobs in construction, manufacturing and retail in and around the area of construction for instance, plus long term benefits from more efficient transportation flow).

Except that the current employment picture shows private sector job growth, and the current unemployment rates are due in part to a reduction in the government jobs available (fed/state/local) due to budget constriction.

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:35:37am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

He’s not cutting taxes enough to encourage job cretors. Because it worked so well under Bush.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:36:26am

Teh Bad Crazee has achieved superpowers. NORK radiation?

78 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:37:27am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

Which ever appears to stick to Obama and the Democrats and hurts them more politically. Of course.
//

79 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:37:36am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Thing is about jobs. First we hear from Romney and the others that government shouldn’t create jobs and then we hear in the same breath more less that Obama isn’t doing enough on jobs. So which is it?

It’s the “confidence fairy,” don’t ya know? When the government gets “serious” about gutting the budget of all those things that help the poor and the working class, then the private sector will see they’re “serious” about bringing the deficit and debt under control and will start investing in America again. Only when there’s nowhere for the poor to turn but McJobs does America prosper.

///

80 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:37:52am

re: #40 Lidane

Apparently, this is one of the children that got left behind in public schools:

81 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:38:49am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

TEH OBAMA DERANGEMENT APPROACHING MAXIMUM OVERLOAD. ABORT! ABORT!

Gays say “changing the way people see current gender roles within marriage to secure our equality will upset traditional views”.

They hear “We’re being attacked!”

82 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:39:33am

Heart Attack Grill Spokesman Dies of Apparent Heart Attack

Founded in 2005, the unapologetically unhealthy restaurant employs waitresses dressed as nurses and serves butterfat milkshakes, “flatliner” fries and 9,982-calorie “quadruple bypass burgers.” (Patrons who are able to finish them are escorted to their cars in wheelchairs.) Customers who weigh over 350 pounds eat free.

Never in a hundred billion years could I have predicted that a guy who eats regularly at the Heart Attack Grill would die of a heart attack.

83 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:39:34am

re: #80 Lidane

Not even the Cold War and possible Nucleur War compares to the loss of all Liberty, like the liberty to tweet nonsense about losing liberty.

84 iossarian  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:39:57am

re: #75 lawhawk

A part fell off my car yesterday because the roads around here are potholed to shit.

SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ON FIXING THE ROADS SO I DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY CAR TO THE FUCKING SHOP

Fucking low-tax loser idiots.

/rant off

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:41:01am

re: #80 Lidane

Apparently, this is one of the children that got left behind in public schools:

Isn’t Liberty some underdressed harlot leading French commies in the overthrow of the proper industrial and aristocratic order?
;P

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

86 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:41:39am

re: #82 BongCrodny

Heart Attack Grill Spokesman Dies of Apparent Heart Attack

Never in a hundred billion years could I have predicted that a guy who eats regularly at the Heart Attack Grill would die of a heart attack.

Would you like ten liters of cola to wash that burger down with, sir?

87 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:42:00am

re: #84 iossarian

Fucking low-tax loser idiots.

According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), the federal government is projected to spend less money in the next decade on non-defense discretionary programs than at any point since at least 1962.

Tyranny!

88 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:42:25am

re: #80 Lidane

I’m sure he went to school. Just a school! that loved them some exclamation! points! Using lots of exclamation! points! is helpful for rationale conversation!

89 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #79 Targetpractice

It’s the “confidence fairy,” don’t ya know? When the government gets “serious” about gutting the budget of all those things that help the poor and the working class, then the private sector will see they’re “serious” about bringing the deficit and debt under control and will start investing in America again. Only when there’s nowhere for the poor to turn but McJobs does America prosper.

///

Only when wages in America hit the same level as those is China will massive investment in US manufacturing be rekindled.

90 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:42:26am

re: #84 iossarian

A part fell off my car yesterday because the roads around here are potholed to shit.

SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ON FIXING THE ROADS SO I DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY CAR TO THE FUCKING SHOP

Fucking low-tax loser idiots.

/rant off

The free market will provide!!

91 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:44:42am

re: #87 jaunte

According to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), the federal government is projected to spend less money in the next decade on non-defense discretionary programs than at any point since at least 1962.

Per the piece I’m reading in another window…

“Let’s consider taxes and revenue. It is not only “mostly true” that CEO’s and hedge-fund managers are paying the lowest effective tax rates since the 1950’s (a period before Medicare and Medicaid), but it’s true about everyone else, too. As a percentage of GDP, only South Korea, Turkey, Chile, and Mexico raise less revenue than the United States. Simply put, we are taxing at a historically low level. It seems to me, then, that we have a revenue problem.

We have a revenue problem and we have a medical inflation problem, and we spend too much on defense. So, should we start slashing the earned benefits people have paid into in Medicare and Social Security? I would argue that we ought to raise taxes before we even think about doing that. But we also need to do more to address the rising cost of health care. That has been the Obama administration’s approach. Yet, cognizant of political realities, they also know that the must make compromises if they want Republican votes. That is why Obama has talked about taking a balanced approach. That’s what the American people basically voted for, and they continue to support it (at least in general terms) in the polling data.

So, the GOP can keep saying that we have a spending problem, but we have a much more clear-cut and inarguable revenue problem. And if you ask people what spending they want to cut, they do not say that we ought to ravage people’s retirement security.”
[Link: www.boomantribune.com…]

92 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:44:44am
93 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:44:46am

After the Commuter Wars all roads are toll roads. Praise Ron Paul!

94 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:45:13am

Perhaps that’s what Obama should declare tonight, that as of tomorrow, the federal highway fund and all federal funds that go to building and maintaining America’s roads will be axed. See how quickly that all those who declare that the government doesn’t create jobs whine that this will lead to millions of jobs lost due to construction projects being canceled by lack of funds.

95 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:45:26am

Jesus Christ who pissed in their Cheerios?

96 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:47:39am

Manufacturing jobs moving out of the US to Asia is a direct result of the Magic Free Market having its way.

97 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:47:52am

re: #92 Vicious Babushka

OK, so apparently “Luke” doesn’t want PBO to reach out to Republicans in Congress to get stuff done for the economy and jobs, etc. //

98 Big Steve  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:48:49am

This kind of stuff wouldn’t happen if the phones had guns.
/

99 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:48:57am

re: #95 Vicious Babushka

Jesus Christ who pissed in their Cheerios?

I think he must have.

100 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:49:02am

re: #96 b_sharp

Manufacturing jobs moving out of the US to Asia is a direct result of the Magic Free Market having its way.

I imagine that will (again) be part of the SOTU tonight, calls to reform the tax code such that companies are not rewarded for offshoring jobs. But like wishing for commercial nuclear fusion, it’s not likely to happen because the GOP would sooner gnaw off their own arms than vote to fuck over their biggest constituency these days (rich fat pricks).

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:49:31am

re: #98 Big Steve

This kind of stuff wouldn’t happen if the phones had guns.
/

Hard to fit a 30-round clip in a mobile phone…

102 iossarian  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:49:34am

re: #93 Feline Fearless Leader

After the Commuter Wars all roads are toll roads. Praise Ron Paul!

Grr. The even dumber thing is that I bike to work every day (even in the dark and frozen midwestern winter) so I *should* be one of the last people calling for more spending. What people think who have to commute on our patched up freeways every day must think is beyond me.

But I’ve been in Europe recently and it’s amazing how good it feels to drive on smooth roads. It’s like a whole different experience.

103 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:52:09am

re: #101 Sol Berdinowitz

Hard to fit a 30-round clip in a mobile phone…

That’s why I carry a fully loaded, semi-auto Nerf Phone.

104 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:52:40am

re: #41 jaunte

Good example of the ‘dismantling of American thought.’

‘Dismantling of American thought’ indeed. The irony is astounding.

105 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:53:12am

re: #84 iossarian

A part fell off my car yesterday because the roads around here are potholed to shit.

SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY ON FIXING THE ROADS SO I DON’T HAVE TO TAKE MY CAR TO THE FUCKING SHOP

Fucking low-tax loser idiots.

/rant off

It’s a bitch when the wind-up handle falls off.

106 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:53:37am

LOL

107 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:53:56am
108 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:54:04am

Heh:

109 gwangung  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:55:01am

re: #107 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ex-Rep. Joe Walsh Plans To Sue Chicago Sun-Times This Week Over ‘Hit Piece’

Wouldn’t the legal fees for this be better served for child sup—

Oh, wait. I get it.

110 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:55:12am

re: #107 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ex-Rep. Joe Walsh Plans To Sue Chicago Sun-Times This Week Over ‘Hit Piece’

Glad to know that the deadbeat who can’t pay child support still has plenty of money to pursue pointless lawsuits against newspapers.

111 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:57:34am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Yet that’s what always gets me. The defense budget is so convoluted and full of “waste” that the Pentagon had to launch an effort just to make said budget “audit-ready.” They had no clue where money was going, what was being done with it, and what that money was actually paying for. But if you suggest cutting the defense budget to encourage them to deal with that “waste,” you’ll get flayed alive by an army of Congress critters who rely upon that “waste” for jobs in their districts.

I once heard that the Pentagon loses $1 billion a year. Not wasted, not through fraud, just gone as if swallowed by a black hole.

112 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:58:18am

Heh.

113 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:58:44am

re: #111 Romantic Heretic

I once heard that the Pentagon loses $1 billion a year. Not wasted, not through fraud, just gone as if swallowed by a black hole.

Would not surprise me. Hell, I’d probably consider that a low-ball figure. The DoD hasn’t a fucking clue where all the money is going, but it knows for sure that if you cut a single dollar from its budget, the terrorists win.

114 freetoken  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:59:18am

What’s old… is out:

Wrestling Body Reacts to Olympic Rejection

Wrestling officials called Tuesday’s decision to drop the sport from the Olympic program an “aberration” against a founding event.

Known by its French initials FILA, the sport’s governing body said it was “greatly astonished” by the IOC executive board decision.

[…]

That’s right, the IOC is dropping one of the original Olympic sports. Evidently wrestling isn’t hip enough to draw in the big television audiences. Maybe the IOC will replace it with competitive cooking contests?

115 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:59:20am

re: #110 Targetpractice

Glad to know that the deadbeat who can’t pay child support still has plenty of money to pursue pointless lawsuits against newspapers.

He made $175k a year for two years, knowing he had obligations to his kids, and pretends to have saved nothing. What a creep.

116 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 10:59:58am

re: #36 Bulworth

The mail should obviously deliver itself, or barring that, be delivered by people dressed in rags who live in underfunded shelters. /

Leaves UPS and FedX out then. I think they are both union shops.

117 simoom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:01:31am

McCain, Graham, Ayotte, Issa, Rogers, Rohrabacher, Cole and umm… Duncan?

118 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:01:58am

re: #114 freetoken

What’s old… is out:

Wrestling Body Reacts to Olympic Rejection

That’s right, the IOC is dropping one of the original Olympic sports. Evidently wrestling isn’t hip enough to draw in the big television audiences. Maybe the IOC will replace it with competitive cooking contests?

They’ll replace it with Professional Wrestling!

119 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:02:51am

re: #80 Lidane

Apparently, this is one of the children that got left behind in public schools:

For ‘Liberty!’ substitute ‘white, conservative power.’

120 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:02:54am

re: #114 freetoken

What’s old… is out:

Wrestling Body Reacts to Olympic Rejection

That’s right, the IOC is dropping one of the original Olympic sports. Evidently wrestling isn’t hip enough to draw in the big television audiences. Maybe the IOC will replace it with competitive cooking contests?

Maybe if they had a cage match.

121 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:03:27am

1. They lie all over Teh Interwebz
2. Don’t even need to drop a hat or pants

122 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:03:33am

re: #115 jaunte

The kids are clearly Marxist freeloaders

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:05:02am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

1. They lie all over Teh Interwebz
2. Don’t even need to drop a hat or pants

Because Conservatives never lie, they’re dumb enough to actually believe the shit they say is true.

124 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:05:43am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

1. They lie all over Teh Interwebz
2. Don’t even need to drop a hat or pants

That one just makes me laugh. I love the delusions of grandeur that conservatives have about themselves and their ideology that they’re little angels going about their business but mean old liberals are lying and being mean to them. Bunch of whiners.

125 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:06:00am

re: #113 Targetpractice

Would not surprise me. Hell, I’d probably consider that a low-ball figure. The DoD hasn’t a fucking clue where all the money is going, but it knows for sure that if you cut a single dollar from its budget, the terrorists win.

No, no, they sometimes tell Congress that they don’t want to get money to buy certain systems. Congress then responds by telling the DoD that they’re lying.

126 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:06:20am

*headdesk*

127 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:06:59am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

Texas Bill has apparently never attended a hearing of the Texas State Board of Education.

128 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:07:08am

re: #102 iossarian

But I’ve been in Europe recently and it’s amazing how good it feels to drive on smooth roads. It’s like a whole different experience.

For a couple of years I took the bus to visit friends in Ohio. I could always tell whether I was on an American road.

129 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:07:26am

re: #125 erik_t

No, no, they sometimes tell Congress that they don’t want to get money to buy certain systems. Congress then responds by telling the DoD that they’re lying.

True. Congress then rams the money down their throat, because the major sponsors of the money are scared shitless of what would happen at reelection time if those defense jobs left their district/state.

130 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:08:00am

re: #124 HappyWarrior

That one just makes me laugh. I love the delusions of grandeur that conservatives have about themselves and their ideology that they’re little angels going about their business but mean old liberals are lying and being mean to them. Bunch of whiners.

And we only win elections because we cheat. And they only lose because their candidate is not conservative enough. Like trying to understand the mind of a worm.

131 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:08:42am

re: #126 Lidane

*headdesk*

Here, let’s try a different thought experiment: Saddle UPS and FedEx with a legal obligation to prefund 75 years worth of pension payments, meaning they’re putting money aside for workers they haven’t even hired yet.

Let’s see how profitable they are then.

132 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:08:48am

re: #130 leftynyc

Like trying to understand the mind of a worm.

Worms are much more grounded in reality.

133 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:08:48am

re: #121 Vicious Babushka

Obamaphones! Death Panels!

134 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:08:58am

re: #111 Romantic Heretic

Well, some of that money goes into black budget items - projects that may see light of day years later (spycraft like U2, SR71, or aircraft like F117 or B2). The procurement isn’t through standard channels, so tracking where and how the money was appropriated isn’t always clear.

Making the DoD budget audit-ready would increase transparency on where and how it is spending on procurement of new systems, etc.

135 iossarian  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:10:00am

re: #131 Targetpractice

Here, let’s try a different thought experiment: Saddle UPS and FedEx with a legal obligation to prefund 75 years worth of pension payments, meaning they’re putting money aside for workers they haven’t even hired yet.

Let’s see how profitable they are then.

Ditto Walmart.

136 freetoken  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:10:42am

re: #127 jaunte

Texas Bill has apparently never attended a hearing of the Texas State Board of Education.

Speaking of which, this floated across the transom earlier:

Education board leader grilled on religion, evolution


I assume the TX senate will re-approve.

137 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:10:53am

re: #125 erik_t

No, no, they sometimes tell Congress that they don’t want to get money to buy certain systems. Congress then responds by telling the DoD that they’re lying.


Conservative warns The Daily Show: U.S. will invade ‘entire continent of Africa’ due to Muslims

Al Madrigal of The Daily Show mocked an anti-Islam conservative activist on Thursday night amid a report on the M1 Abrams tank.

More than 100 members of Congress have called on the Pentagon to build 300 more of the massive tanks at a cost of $3 billion. But the Army has said it has no need for them.

“Well, we need more tanks for the simple reason that we may have to use them,” conservative author Alan Caruba explained.

Retired Major General Paul Eaton disagreed emphatically. He noted the U.S. military already had 3,000 tanks “sitting in a boneyard near Reno,” causing Madrigal to wonder if Nevada had ever been attacked.

“To my knowledge, Nevada has never been attacked,” Eaton replied.

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:12:21am

re: #137 Kragar (Antichrist )


Conservative warns The Daily Show: U.S. will invade ‘entire continent of Africa’ due to Muslims

That really is the extent of their thought process. “If all the weapons are sitting in a place that’s never been attacked, then that just proves that the weapons are effective at deterring attacks.”

139 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:12:22am

The Lost Tribe: Jewish Democrats Back Hagel

…Leave aside the fact that any decent American ought to recognize the value of the State of Israel to the security of the United States, and to the growth of liberty around the world. These Jewish Democrats in particular don’t deserve the label. They’re Democrats, but they’re Jews in name only. If their religion and community mean anything to them, they’re casting them aside by expressing support for Chuck Hagel simply to please their party overlord.
— Ben Shapiro

140 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:12:24am

re: #137 Kragar (Antichrist )

PBO taking away our nuklur power and weakening Amercia!

141 Mattand  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:13:47am

re: #80 Lidane

Apparently, this is one of the children that got left behind in public schools:

I really don’t understand how these people can dress themselves in the morning.

I am asking the guy for evidence, but not holding my breath. It’s like poking a paramecium with a prod; they sense the stimulus, but can’t do anything with it.

142 Coracle  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:13:50am

It strikes me that there is one true benefit to #tgdn. It makes those tweets 6 characters shorter. Max screed length becomes 128 characters if they include #tcot also (and spaces, natch).

143 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:14:26am

re: #139 Gus

The Lost Tribe: Jewish Democrats Back Hagel

Holy crap! Ben Shapiro gets to decide who and who is not Jewish? You learn something new every day! ///

144 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:14:47am

re: #142 Coracle

Derp, abbreviated.

145 Coracle  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:16:19am

re: #144 jaunte

Derp, abbreviated.

Yes, but then we’ll have their tweets look like those of tweens. Have the message match the mentality finally.

146 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:16:21am

re: #139 Gus

The Lost Tribe: Jewish Democrats Back Hagel

The “value” of Israel to the security of the US? Hasn’t there been a good deal of debate in the last couple years about how deep of a pit the US will find itself in if Israel decides to go ahead with air strikes on Iran?

147 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:17:05am

re: #102 iossarian

It goes to how we spend on road construction - and in some instances, it’s self interested construction businesses that help set the standards. Rather than building roads with a deeper base that resists cracking and movement, make a less substantial base and repair more frequently. That way, instead of building new roads, you’re spending more time and effort fixing roads already built.

You might have a higher initial cost due to higher material costs (and concrete roads will last longer than asphalt on average), but longer lifespan and reduced need for regular repair or resurfacing should more than make up for the initial cost.

But it’s the higher initial costs that will scare people off using the more substantial materials necessary for longevity.

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:17:22am

Here: #139 Gus

The Lost Tribe: Jewish Democrats Back Hagel

Shapiro channeling his inner Pam Geller telling other Jews they can’t be true Jews because they support an Obama nominee.

149 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:17:58am

re: #114 freetoken

What’s old… is out:

Wrestling Body Reacts to Olympic Rejection

That’s right, the IOC is dropping one of the original Olympic sports. Evidently wrestling isn’t hip enough to draw in the big television audiences. Maybe the IOC will replace it with competitive cooking contests?

Damn that sucks. I for one really like the wrestling events. My youngest has been wrestling for 7 years now and it is a very enjoyable sport.

150 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:19:37am

Oh geez. A friend of mine is derping about this on FB, saying the media is glossing over the CA shooter’s manifesto:

Alleged Cop Killer Pens Manifesto Applauding Obama, Gun Control Efforts (Townhall link)

*sigh*

I like my friends. I really do. But some of them are stuck in the wingnut bubble.

151 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:19:48am

Okay…just put some aerolite elbow rests on my road bike…think I’ll scoot on down the coast for about 20 miles or so to see if I like them. Gorgeous day here ( [Link: www.weather.com…] ) so it seems a shame to waste it.

152 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:20:02am

re: #149 Eventual Carrion

Rather than dump the pentathlon, which was invented by the creator of the modern Olympics and modeled on the skills needed by military officers at the time, we’re going to dump wrestling, which dates back to the original Games.

Outstanding.

Wrestling might still make it in, but it’s got to compete with a bunch of other sports for the final slot for the games of 2020. Golf is among them. I say dump golf and keep wrestling.

153 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:21:02am

Top comment thus far.

SigFan, For God, Family and Country - in that order.

Just goes to show you how far American liberal Jews have drifted from their historical past and the faith of their fathers. Hagel is an idiot and a disgrace, but unless the Republicans grow a spine he will probably get the job. And Obama wants him for one reason - to oversee the dismantling of the military.

That’s right Jewish Democrats. Listen to your Christian gentile overlords.

154 freetoken  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:21:22am

re: #149 Eventual Carrion

You can read more here:

NO WRESTLING IN OLYMPICS? UNREAL

In a bureaucratic decision that ranks right up there on the “stupid and unneeded mistake” scale, along with New Coke and Napoleon invading Russia, the International Olympic Committee voted on Tuesday to drop wrestling from the Olympic program in the 2020 Summer Games, tossing away a constant of the modern Olympics since the ancient Greek Games were revived in 1896.

[…]

But deeper down, there’s a stench of something unsavory here. It feels like another politically motivated decision by the most political organization in sports.

Consider the factors that went into the IOC voting wrestling out from a final group that included modern pentathlon, taekwondo and field hockey, according to The Associated Press:

• The vote was held by secret ballot.

• IOC president Jacques Rogge did not vote.

• Modern pentathlon, the sport considered most at risk of being dropped from the Games (and a far less popular sport than wrestling), had a huge lobbying effort to keep its sport. “We have promised things and we have delivered,” the president of modern pentathlon’s governing body, Klaus Schormann, said Tuesday.

• Juan Antonio Samaranch Jr., the son of the former IOC president, lobbied to keep modern pentathlon over wrestling. He also happens to be the vice president of the international governing body for modern pentathlon, and a member of the IOC board.

Add all those factors up and the IOC’s decision to drop wrestling feels more like a Tammany Hall decision made in a smoky back room than a decision by an organization that pretends to stand for everything right and pure in the sports world.

[…]

155 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:07am

re: #150 Lidane

The manifesto contains shout outs to guns and gun control, respecting Obama, giving props to Hillary Clinton and Chris Christie. Thinks the world of Huntsman. Among others.

IOW, he’s all over the map before delving into conspiracies and allegations against the LAPD before declaring war on the LAPD and anyone who might be related to those involved in his case.

156 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:14am

re: #153 Gus

Top comment thus far.

That’s right Jewish Democrats. Listen to your Christian gentile overlords.

Christian fundamentalists know what’s best for Israel!

157 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:20am

re: #150 Lidane

Oh geez. A friend of mine is derping about this on FB, saying the media is glossing over the CA shooter’s manifesto:

Alleged Cop Killer Pens Manifesto Applauding Obama, Gun Control Efforts (Townhall link)

*sigh*

I like my friends. I really do. But some of them are stuck in the wingnut bubble.

I’ve got a few of those. All seemingly bright people, until they post of FB and I come to the realization that they’ll willingly swallow whatever Fox, Limbaugh or WND (or worse) will feed them.

I don’t get it.

158 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:23am

re: #153 Gus

Top comment thus far.

That’s right Jewish Democrats. Listen to your Christian gentile overlords.

Because they’ve never steered you wrong. Just look at the Inqusition…er, okay, bad example.

159 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:35am

Silly moonbats are still silly
Michael Moore and journalist Hedges: Obama drone memo to ‘legally justify what they’re already doing’

“I was very happy to hear about this lawsuit that these guys initiated,” Moore said. “And Chris, of course, I’ve been a huge fan of his for a long time. Please read his books. Pass his books around. This man is our… He’s our 21st century Noam Chomsky. Not that Noam isn’t still in the 21st century.”

Moore also said he’s “proud to be part” of the lawsuit, “And I’m very — of course, I’ve been very supportive of Bradley Manning from the beginning, helping to fund the fight. And I put up some of Julian Assange’s bail money.”

The audience erupted into cheers. “Thank you, Michael!” one man yelled.

160 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:45am

Tea Party Nation: ‘Stalinist’ and ‘Hitlerian’ Obama Building ‘A One Party State’

He claims that liberals, especially those in the Obama administration and the gay rights movement, “are looking more and more like Nazis every day” and seek “to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.”

Unfortunately with the left having achieved its goal of political dominance, liberals are looking more and more like Nazis every day.

How could those “tolerant” liberals be so Nazi like?

Liberals love authoritarian governments. And with authoritarians and liberals, there is one thing in common. There can be no dissent.

Disagree with the liberal orthodoxy and liberals will destroy you. In fact, it is the goal of liberals to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

At the national level, Barack Obama is trying to destroy the Republican Party. In Obama’s world, a one party state is a desirable goal. If he destroys the GOP, he gets his Stalinist wish.

It is not just Obama that wants to destroy all opposition. The examples of components of the great liberal axis of evil going after conservatives are replete.

The Boy Scouts are another good example of what happens to groups that dare to defy the liberal orthodoxy. The Boy Scouts, for very good reasons, exclude gays as scoutmasters and volunteers. For two decades the left has been engaged in a full frontal assault against the Boy Scouts for their position of not allowing homosexual scoutmasters. The left has pressured private groups not to support the Boy Scouts and pressured government entities not to allow the Boy Scouts to use their property for scouting events.

This is the tyranny of the left. There is no room for disagreement. If liberals disagree with the Boy Scouts’ policy they could start their own group. They could create the gay scouts or the diversity scouts or what ever [sic] else they wanted to call it.

But no, liberals do not want to do that. They want to destroy anyone or anything that dares to offer a contrary opinion.

Tonight Barack Obama will deliver an address to a joint session of Congress. The address is no longer the State of the Union address. Instead it will be a Hitlerian screed attacking Republicans, Conservatives, The Tea Party and anyone who dares to disagree with him. If the Republicans had any courage, they would walk out en mass [sic] to make a statement. Unfortunately they will not. Obama will stand in front of Congress and blame the Republicans and Bush for all of his failures. He will demand that America double down on his failed policies.

Republicans should blame him for the Great Obama Depression, but they won’t. They should blame him for all of his failures. They won’t.

161 freetoken  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:22:50am

Maybe if the IOC made the wrestlers wrestle nekkid, like in good ol’ days, then their ratings might improve?

162 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:23:29am

re: #151 darthstar

Okay…just put some aerolite elbow rests on my road bike…think I’ll scoot on down the coast for about 20 miles or so to see if I like them. Gorgeous day here ( [Link: www.weather.com…] ) so it seems a shame to waste it.

First thing to practice is transitioning from the aero position to the position where you can reach the brakes. And, nobody takes a corner in the aero position!

163 leftynyc  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:24:24am

re: #139 Gus

The Lost Tribe: Jewish Democrats Back Hagel

Mr. Shapiro and all these other cretins who think they get to decide who and who is not representative of whatever religion they are can go fuck themselves.

164 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:25:00am
Disagree with the liberal orthodoxy and liberals will destroy you. In fact, it is the goal of liberals to destroy anyone who disagrees with them.

Can’t you see all the destroyed peeple?

165 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:25:04am

Authoritarian regimes which tell you you can’t discriminate people based on their religious beliefs or sexual preferences are truly Hitlerian.
/

166 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:25:23am

jen

Hagel is not the ‘most problematic’ for decades as article says - that is inaccurate. Hillary and Kerry are by far worse - beyond comments, they have a long record of actual voting record and other actions that have been detrimental!!! Equivalent and more out in the open is Brennan - who has openly made pro-Islamic speeches and WND reports he is a Muslim convert.

Hence, an actual muslim like Brennan is more problematic than Hagel by far. Breitbart #1 and only criteria for problematic is if they alway spew 100% love for Israel politicians.

167 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:25:33am

re: #128 Romantic Heretic

For a couple of years I took the bus to visit friends in Ohio. I could always tell whether I was on an American road.

I think the Ohio Turnpike is just as good as the 401!

The 402 sucks, though.

168 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:26:21am

re: #160 Kragar (Antichrist )

It’s long past time for Obama and all the hateful leftists to stop all the name-calling and demonizing of conservatives who keep calling Obama and the Democrats Nazis. //

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:27:28am

re: #165 Kragar (Antichrist )

Authoritarian regimes which tell you you can’t discriminate people based on their religious beliefs or sexual preferences are truly Hitlerian.
/

Well, it works if you keep believing that the Nazis were all homosexuals. You know, the leather and the marching, all stereotypically gay.

///

170 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:27:36am

WND reports he is a Muslim convert.

What need have we of any more witnesses?

/

171 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:29:28am

re: #170 Bulworth

What need have we of any more witnesses?

/

Apparently saying nice things about Islam from a personal experience equals “pro-Islamic.” Well, if that’s the case then George W. Bush was pro-Islamic.

172 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:35:14am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

I think the Ohio Turnpike is just as good as the 401!

The 402 sucks, though.

Not sure if I took that road. (Checks map)

Route was 401, I-190, I-90, OH-8. If OH-8 is the Ohio Turnpike I agree. Good road. The interstates, as I recall, not so much. The bus did a bit of wandering through Niagara Falls and Buffalo. Those roads? Not fun.

173 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:35:17am

REAGANPHONE!!!! REAGANPHONE!!!

You haven’t seen that one yet, huh?

174 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:49:20am

re: #147 lawhawk

It goes to how we spend on road construction - and in some instances, it’s self interested construction businesses that help set the standards. Rather than building roads with a deeper base that resists cracking and movement, make a less substantial base and repair more frequently. That way, instead of building new roads, you’re spending more time and effort fixing roads already built.

You might have a higher initial cost due to higher material costs (and concrete roads will last longer than asphalt on average), but longer lifespan and reduced need for regular repair or resurfacing should more than make up for the initial cost.

But it’s the higher initial costs that will scare people off using the more substantial materials necessary for longevity.

Good, Cheap, or Fast. Choose two!
;)

175 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:54:06am

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

Not sure if I took that road. (Checks map)

Route was 401, I-190, I-90, OH-8. If OH-8 is the Ohio Turnpike I agree. Good road. The interstates, as I recall, not so much. The bus did a bit of wandering through Niagara Falls and Buffalo. Those roads? Not fun.

Used to be if you were driving/riding I-90 you knew when you were in PA since that short stretch was some of the worst 4-lane highway in the entire US. It’s since been rebuilt though and is now passable without a requirement for all-terrain capability.

176 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 11:56:35am

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

Not sure if I took that road. (Checks map)

Route was 401, I-190, I-90, OH-8. If OH-8 is the Ohio Turnpike I agree. Good road. The interstates, as I recall, not so much. The bus did a bit of wandering through Niagara Falls and Buffalo. Those roads? Not fun.

402 goes from Sarnia to London, where it merges with the 401.

I-80/90 is the Ohio Turnpike. It really sucks when you enter Pennsylvania on the I-80.

177 They Once Called Me Moonbat  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 12:29:47pm

Former San Diego mayor and current right wing hate-talk idiot Roger Hedgecock likes mentioning “Obamaphones” every chance he gets.
For a review of Hedgecock and the campaign against him, see http://www.dailykos.com/blog/WCWatch


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