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Breaking: Ex-Cop Dorner in Shootout at Big Bear Lake

Apparently used smoke grenades
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KTLA 5 in Los Angeles is reporting that ex-cop Christopher Dorner has been involved in a shootout with police in Big Bear. One or two police officers have been reported wounded; the situation is rapidly developing…

BIG BEAR, Calif. — Christopher Dorner was engaged in a shootout with federal authorities in the Big Bear area Tuesday, a law enforcement source told The Times.

The shooting occurred after Dorner burglarized a home, tied up a couple and stole their car, the source said.

It was not immediately clear whether Dorner was in custody.

A second source said there was an active crime scene but did not have details.

Law enforcement officials were swarming the area.

UPDATE at 2/12/13 2:40:23 pm

Police have confirmed that Dorner is holed up in the cabin at lower right of the image above. Two policemen have been shot and medevac’ed out.

UPDATE at 2/12/13 2:56:51 pm
UPDATE at 2/12/13 3:19:10 pm
UPDATE at 2/12/13 3:50:17 pm

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568 comments

1 HoosierHoops  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:48:44pm

Wow.. Big firefight in SoCal by Big Bear..

2 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:48:48pm
3 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:49:40pm

re: #2 Lidane

Well, this should be interesting.

4 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:51:02pm

If he’s surrounded and there are no hostages (It sounds like he stole the couple’s car and ended up where he’s at now?), his time is short.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:51:55pm

re: #4 efuseakay

If he’s surrounded and there are no hostages (It sounds like he stole the couple’s car and ended up where he’s at now?), his time is short.

Ayep, it’s just a question of how safe they think it will be to breach.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:52:21pm

re: #4 efuseakay

If he’s surrounded and there are no hostages (It sounds like he stole the couple’s car and ended up where he’s at now?), his time is short.

I don’t think he’s going to let himself be arrested.

7 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:53:02pm

re: #6 Kragar (Antichrist )

I don’t think he’s going to let himself be arrested.

No loss.

8 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:53:10pm

$10 says he doesn’t live to see the end of today.

9 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:53:40pm

re: #6 Kragar (Antichrist )

I don’t think he’s going to let himself be arrested.

I won’t lose sleep over it.

10 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:53:49pm

re: #8 dragonfire1981

$10 says he doesn’t live to see the end of today.

$3.50 says it’s not even him.

11 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:54:31pm

I am surprised he stayed around Big Bear, I figured he would be longs gone by now.

12 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:55:23pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I am surprised he stayed around Big Bear, I figured he would be longs gone by now.

I am too. I figured he would’ve been outta there awhile ago.

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:55:45pm

Now they’re saying they believe he’s on foot.

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14 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:55:55pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I am surprised he stayed around Big Bear, I figured he would be longs gone by now.

Escape was never the goal.

15 dragonfire1981  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:56:14pm

re: #10 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

$3.50 says it’s not even him.

You think someone else at Big Bear would be hurling smoke grenades at police?

16 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:56:14pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I am surprised he stayed around Big Bear, I figured he would be longs gone by now.

Aren’t too many ways out of Big Bear, I’m sure all paved routes were covered, and it was pretty snowy for a cross-country escape.

17 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:56:31pm

I was trying to get the LA County Sheriffs office dispatch scanner on the internet. Nothing.

18 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:57:01pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I am surprised he stayed around Big Bear, I figured he would be long gone by now.

I’m not surprised at all. His beef is with the LAPD. Why would he leave?

19 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:57:10pm

Here’s my ride for today…The new aerolite elbow rests aren’t bad on the flats, but they’ll take some getting used to.

20 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:57:13pm

re: #17 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I was trying to get the LA County Sheriffs office dispatch scanner on the internet. Nothing.

Try San Bernardino County.

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:57:33pm

re: #15 dragonfire1981

You think someone else at Big Bear would be hurling smoke grenades at police?

Its not like its Arizona or anything.
/

22 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:57:36pm
23 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:58:13pm

Apparently a smoke grenade just went off:

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24 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:58:53pm

re: #19 darthstar

Here’s my ride for today…The new aerolite elbow rests aren’t bad on the flats, but they’ll take some getting used to.

I think you took off before my helpful (apparently unnecessary) tips.

25 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 1:59:09pm

re: #20 wrenchwench

Try San Bernardino County.

ok.

26 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:00:11pm

I’m glad the couple he stole the truck from were not hurt. They are going to get the $1 mil for calling the police, right?

27 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:00:26pm

re: #14 erik_t

Escape was never the goal.

Yeah, this. He was either going to succeed in killing the people he believes wronged him or he’s going to die trying. There’s no middle ground.

28 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:01:01pm

re: #24 wrenchwench

I think you took off before my helpful (apparently unnecessary) tips.

Yeah…transitioning at speed gave me a little butt-pucker. But I did pack a steak and avocado sandwich and had a nice picnic lunch at the summit.

Image: 17642_10151447850018024_1051236040_n.jpg

29 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:02:38pm

re: #28 darthstar

Yeah…transitioning at speed gave me a little butt-pucker. But I did pack a steak and avocado sandwich and had a nice picnic lunch at the summit.

Image: 17642_10151447850018024_1051236040_n.jpg

What’s that green stuff on the ground?

30 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:02:39pm

re: #28 darthstar

Yeah…transitioning at speed gave me a little butt-pucker. But I did pack a steak and avocado sandwich and had a nice picnic lunch at the summit.

Image: 17642_10151447850018024_1051236040_n.jpg

Be careful of your riding conditions and visibility or some trigger happy hunter will take it down and that rack will be mounted on the wall of his den.
;)

31 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:03:18pm

IF ONLY THAT COUPLE HAD AN AR-15!1!

32 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:03:29pm

14-12, Hagel voted out of committee to the full Senate.

33 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:03:31pm

re: #28 darthstar

Yeah…transitioning at speed gave me a little butt-pucker. But I did pack a steak and avocado sandwich and had a nice picnic lunch at the summit.

Image: 17642_10151447850018024_1051236040_n.jpg

Why is there no white stuff (snow) on the ground? WHERE IS THIS MAGICAL PLACE?!

34 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:04:00pm

re: #30 Feline Fearless Leader

Be careful of your riding conditions and visibility or some trigger happy hunter will take it down and that rack will be mounted on the wall of his den.
;)

Heh…there were two deer where I stopped. I think they thought it was a gun rack mounted on my bike because they didn’t stay long after I stopped.

35 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:04:22pm

re: #33 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Why is there no white stuff (snow) on the ground? WHERE IS THIS MAGICAL PLACE?!

The boring land known as CA.

What I wouldn’t give for actual weather. And seasons. Or even a storm with wind, at this point.

36 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:04:46pm

re: #29 b_sharp

What’s that green stuff on the ground?

Coastal snow.

37 richardf  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:04:47pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

I think the smoke grenades are being set off by the police to give cover as their men get closer to the cabin. I have a nephew who’s a SWAT supervisor with LAPD and is in the area. We’re hoping that he gets out safe.

38 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:05:08pm

re: #28 darthstar

Yeah…transitioning at speed gave me a little butt-pucker. But I did pack a steak and avocado sandwich and had a nice picnic lunch at the summit.

Image: 17642_10151447850018024_1051236040_n.jpg

Nice.

Some people say to angle the extensions up and close the gap between your hands and your chin. Some people say to turn the saddle so it points slightly to one side. Whatever makes you comfortable, because that’s what’s most efficient.

39 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:06:26pm

re: #35 klys

The boring land known as CA.

What I wouldn’t give for actual weather. And seasons. Or even a storm with wind, at this point.

I’m sick of winter. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow.

GAAHH!

I miss the monoseason of Los Angeles from time to time. I’m hoping (and praying to any and all deities that might have the inclination to listen to me) that this year I’ll be able to go to Uganda. Which has one season. Warm.

Well, and malaria. But warm.

40 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:06:29pm

If you’re not already up there, I don’t think they’re going to let you go in.

41 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:07:19pm

re: #39 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I’m sick of winter. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow. Snow.

GAAHH!

I miss the monoseason of Los Angeles from time to time. I’m hoping (and praying to any and all deities that might have the inclination to listen to me) that this year I’ll be able to go to Uganda. Which has one season. Warm.

Well, and malaria. But warm.

I grew up with actual seasons. I miss it.

42 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:07:51pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

If you’re not already up there, I don’t think they’re going to let you go in.

All roads in or out are closed to all except LEO.

Most likely, that includes the press as well.

43 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:08:24pm
44 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:08:25pm

re: #38 wrenchwench

Nice.

Some people say to angle the extensions up and close the gap between your hands and your chin. Some people say to turn the saddle so it points slightly to one side. Whatever makes you comfortable, because that’s what’s most efficient.

I put the elbow pads as close to center as possible and they’re just out of my way when I’m holding the ends of the bars. Nice little 90 minute loop though…when I knock another 10 minutes off of it (used to take me 1:40…now takes me 1:30), I’ll add another 5 mile spur with some more rollers to keep the ride around an hour and a half.

45 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:08:43pm

re: #41 klys

I grew up with actual seasons. I miss it.

Heh. I grew up in Los Angeles, in Pasadena, specifically. There are seasons, actually. Dry and moderately damp.

46 OtterQueen  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:09:20pm

I really hope this guy doesn’t have a bunch of explosives. It wouldn’t surprise me if he tried to take some cops with him on his way out.

47 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:10:08pm

Charlie Sheen is asking the police for the phone number of the cabin.

48 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:10:13pm
49 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:11:13pm

In the picture at the top of the thread, the cabin at lower right is where Dorner is apparently holed up.

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50 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:11:19pm

re: #45 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Heh. I grew up in Los Angeles, in Pasadena, specifically. There are seasons, actually. Dry and moderately damp.

We have seasons here too, too hot and too cold.

51 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:12:04pm

re: #44 darthstar

I put the elbow pads as close to center as possible and they’re just out of my way when I’m holding the ends of the bars. Nice little 90 minute loop though…when I knock another 10 minutes off of it (used to take me 1:40…now takes me 1:30), I’ll add another 5 mile spur with some more rollers to keep the ride around an hour and a half.

Here’s your next adjustment:

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52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:12:17pm

They’ve dispatched 40 SWAT members to the scene.

53 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:13:22pm

Just had an LTE SIMM put in my phone. Seems to speed up LGF a good bit.

54 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:15:19pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

They’ve dispatched 40 SWAT members to the scene.

[Link: www.radioreference.com…] San Bernardino County Sheriffs Office live scanner feed.

55 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:15:30pm
56 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:16:22pm
57 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:16:36pm
58 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:17:37pm

re: #52 Charles Johnson

They’ve dispatched 40 SWAT members to the scene.

40? Dorner isn’t coming out alive.

59 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:18:07pm

You can’t say you have him pinned down and then say you don’t know if he is inside or outside…

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:18:31pm
61 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:19:03pm

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

They told the press to have their helicopters to leave the area in case he has a TV in the cabin.

62 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:19:37pm

If he is in that cabin he’s pretty well trapped.

63 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:20:40pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Here’s your next adjustment:

Image: 13_xenitht2.jpg

When I get down closer to 200lbs I’m getting an all carbon bike. don’t know if I want to spend the money on a Jamis…think I’ll try to keep it around $2500 when I buy one. Bought my wife a carbon Scott bike last year and she loves it. I’ve still got about 35 lbs to go though (but I’m down 32 from last March).

64 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:20:45pm
65 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:21:01pm

Got to figure “take the shot if you have it” is the standing order up there right now.

66 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:21:18pm

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

They told the press to have their helicopters to leave the area in case he has a TV in the cabin.

If he has a police scanner unit, then he could still be listening in, at least in theory.

67 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:21:22pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

If he is in that cabin he’s pretty well trapped.

Bugs bunny would be digging a tunnel right about now.

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:22:24pm

Any live feeds up?

69 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:22:31pm

I’m sure the LAPD are out shooting up a few random cabins just to be sure he’s not in them.

70 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:22:43pm

re: #66 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

If he has a police scanner unit, then he could still be listening in, at least in theory.

Maybe but highly doubtful that he has one in his pocket.

71 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:22:47pm
72 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:23:27pm

re: #67 b_sharp

Bugs bunny would be digging a tunnel right about now.

I knew I shouldn’t have taken that left at Albuquerque.

73 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:23:59pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe but highly doubtful that he has one in his pocket.

I hope they are operating on the assumption that he does.

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:24:01pm

re: #68 Kragar (Antichrist )

Any live feeds up?

[Link: ktla.com…]
You’ll have to disable your script blocker if you’re running one

75 thecommodore  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:24:03pm

You can watch online coverage here:


[Link: cp41488.live.edgefcs.net…]

76 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:24:20pm

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Maybe but highly doubtful that he has one in his pocket.

True. If he has a laptop, and internet access, he could listen in as well. I don’t know what the status of internet access is up in Big Bear.

77 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:24:43pm

Yep, they’ve confirmed that he’s in the cabin now.

78 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:25:32pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

True. If he has a laptop, and internet access, he could listen in as well. I don’t know what the status of internet access is up in Big Bear.

Wouldn’t a portable wi-fi hotspot solve any connection problems?

79 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:25:36pm

re: #76 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

True. If he has a laptop, and internet access, he could listen in as well. I don’t know what the status of internet access is up in Big Bear.

If its like where I live he has dial up.

80 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:25:50pm

This is going to screw up his career options.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:25:59pm

If he has supplies he could hold out for a while, unless SWAT is being authorized to level the cabin.

82 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:26:36pm

Gee, ya think?

83 Major Tom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:26:59pm

he’s in the cabin, they’re taking up armored vehicles, the media has been ordered away, the police are ready to “escalate” the situation, and the internet, a sizable chunk of it anyway, is transfixed, in real time.

84 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:27:05pm

Know it’s weird to bring up now, but I do hope all those secessionist nutbars are paying close attention to what’s happening right now. Because this is very likely how their “war” against the federal government is going to end.

85 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:27:06pm

re: #79 NJDhockeyfan

If its like where I live he has dial up.

Wow. There’s still dial-up left? I remember that from my youth.

86 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:27:24pm
87 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:28:08pm

I don’t think waving a white flag on a stick out the window will do him any good at this point.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:28:55pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Wow. There’s still dial-up left? I remember that from my youth.

Don’t rub it in!

89 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:29:08pm
90 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:29:09pm

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

I don’t think waving a white flag on a stick out the window will do him any good at this point.

It would let the SWAT team know where to shoot.

91 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:29:29pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

It’s happened before. White Supremacist Robert Matthews in or near Seattle back in the 80’s.

92 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:29:31pm

Oh hey. Look! #TeamDorner

93 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:30:24pm

re: #85 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Wow. There’s still dial-up left? I remember that from my youth.

*sigh*

94 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:30:27pm

Is he dead yet?

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:30:33pm

KTLA feed keeps dying. Must be getting hammered right now.

96 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:30:44pm

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

Don’t rub it in!

Sorry. Actually, I think the last dial-up here in the Czech Republic was phased out sometime in 2005. It’s all high-speed here. Cable internet is popular if you have UPC cable over here. Not the fastest, though. 25 Mbps.

97 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:31:26pm

re: #93 FemNaziBitch

*sigh*

Dialup?

What’s that?

98 richardf  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:31:26pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

Every SWAT team member from LAPD or nearby agencies is there or on the way. I think that LAPD is waiting for the entire contingent to get there before they initiate an action. They are not going to wait him out

99 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:31:29pm

re: #51 wrenchwench

Here’s your next adjustment:

Image: 13_xenitht2.jpg

No pedals, because the bolts will be surgically implanted into your ankles at that point?

100 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:31:34pm

re: #96 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

You’re in the Czech Republic? I’ve been there. One of the few overseas trips I’ve been able to make.

101 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:31:58pm

re: #95 Kragar (Antichrist )

KTLA feed keeps dying. Must be getting hammered right now.

NBCLA has no problems.

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:32:19pm

re: #98 richardf

Every SWAT team member from LAPD or nearby agencies is there or on the way. I think that LAPD is waiting for the entire contingent to get there before they initiate an action. They are not going to wait him out

With no hostages? They’re gonna level that cabin, there will not be standoff.

103 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:32:24pm

re: #92 Gus

Oh hey. Look! #TeamDorner

Fucking bastards.

And he would shoot you in the head to make sure you didn’t betray him later.

104 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:32:25pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

If he has supplies he could hold out for a while, unless SWAT is being authorized to level the cabin.

Wondering if he has a hostage or not.


re: #84 Targetpractice

Know it’s weird to bring up now, but I do hope all those secessionist nutbars are paying close attention to what’s happening right now. Because this is very likely how their “war” against the federal government is going to end.

They may get the wrong message. “look what one guy can do, tied up hundreds of cops… Just one guy!”

105 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:32:37pm

re: #89 darthstar

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Is that Iceweasel?

//

106 Ming  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:33:19pm

I must put a big disclaimer here. I don’t want to forget for a minute the pain of Dorner’s victims. Chris Dorner is obviously very very mentally-ill, and extremely dangerous.

Anyway, I would like to say that I found Dorner’s manifesto to be very interesting. His accusations against the LAPD ring true to me. I realize I could be wrong; the manifesto may well be filled with half-truths and un-truths. But it’s one of the most interesting, heartrending statements I’ve read in some time.

107 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:34:09pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

With no hostages? They’re gonna level that cabin, there will not be standoff.

I think that would set a rather terrible precedent.

If you thought the age of no-knock warrants was bad, now we’ll just preemptively bomb a house we think has somebody inside.

108 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:34:15pm

re: #100 Bulworth

You’re in the Czech Republic? I’ve been there. One of the few overseas trips I’ve been able to make.

Yep. Been living here since 2001. I got to miss all of Bush’s Presidency, and thus far, all of President Obama’s as well. I get to experience the wingnuttery only second-hand. Thank heavens for small favors that we don’t have Fox News over here.

Well, we do have Nova TV, which is a teeny bit like Fox News. Right-populist, but nowhere near as wacked out. Glenn Beck would be committed to a madhouse over here.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:34:38pm

Totally off the wall but I just started remembering the house shoot up in the old Clint Eastwood flick “The Gauntlet”.

110 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:34:51pm

re: #99 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

No pedals, because the bolts will be surgically implanted into your ankles at that point?

They sell high end bikes without pedals now because everybody already has their favorite shoe/pedal setup. One company sells ‘em without saddles too.

111 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:35:15pm

Anyone remember the SLA debacle?

112 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:35:48pm

re: #111 Political Atheist

Only via the History Channel. The Patty Hearst kidnappers?

113 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:35:58pm

re: #111 Political Atheist

Anyone remember the SLA debacle?

I remember my dad talking about it.

114 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:36:23pm

Dorner is a freak magnet.

115 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:36:25pm

re: #113 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I remember my dad talking about it.

Way to make us feel old….

116 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:36:33pm

WTF?

117 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:36:59pm

re: #110 wrenchwench

They sell high end bikes without pedals now because everybody already has their favorite shoe/pedal setup. One company sells ‘em without saddles too.

I guess it makes sense… even when I was riding BMX bikes, the pedals were almost always the first things to get customized. Then grips.

118 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:37:28pm

re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis

Totally off the wall but I just started remembering the house shoot up in the old Clint Eastwood flick “The Gauntlet”.

Rambo come to mind too.

119 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:37:49pm

From Wiki

The next day, an anonymous phone call to the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) stated that several heavily armed people were staying at the caller’s daughter’s house. That afternoon, more than 400 LAPD officers, under the command of Captain Mervin King, along with the FBI, California Highway Patrol, and Los Angeles Fire Department surrounded the neighborhood. The leader of a SWAT team used a bullhorn to announce, “Occupants of 1466 East 54th Street, this is the Los Angeles Police Department speaking. Come out with your hands up!” A young child walked out, along with an older man. The man stated that no one else was in the house, but the child intervened stating that several people were in the house with guns and ammo belts. After several more attempts to get anyone else to leave the house, a member of the SWAT team fired tear gas projectiles into the house. This was answered by heavy bursts of automatic gunfire, and a battle began.

Two hours later, the house caught fire. Two women left from the rear of the house and one came out the front (she had come in drunk the previous night, passed out, and woken up in the middle of the siege); all were taken into custody, but were found not to be SLA members. Automatic weapons fire continued from the house. At this point, Nancy Ling Perry and Camilla Hall came out of the house. Investigators working for their parents would claim that they walked out intending to surrender and that they were unarmed but police later stated that Hall was shot in the head by police as she charged towards them and Perry was providing covering fire.[14] After Hall’s body fell to the ground, it was pulled back inside the burning house by Angela Atwood. Perry followed Hall out of the house and was shot twice in the back. Her body remained outside the house.[15]

The rest died inside, from smoke inhalation, burns and gunshot wounds. According to the coroner’s report, it was concluded that Donald DeFreeze committed suicide, although family members inspecting his remains noticed that DeFreeze had been decapitated.[5] After the shooting stopped and the fire was extinguished, 19 firearms—including rifles, pistols, and shotguns—were recovered. Several thousands of rounds had been fired out of the house by the SLA and police in response had fired several thousands of rounds into the house. This remains one of the largest police shootouts in history with a reported total of over 9,000 rounds being fired. Every round fired by SLA members at the police missed the officers.

The SLA dead were: Nancy Ling Perry (“Fahizah”), Angela Atwood (“General Gelina”), Camilla Hall (“Gabi”), Willie Wolfe (“Kahjoh”, misspelled by the media at the time as “Cujo”,[16] who was reported to be Patricia Hearst’s lover), Donald DeFreeze (“Cinque”), and Patricia Soltysik (“Mizmoon,” “Zoya”). Most of the bodies were found huddled in a crawl space under the house, which had burned down around them.

New broadcasting technology (smaller portable cameras and more nimble and versatile mobile units that made it easier to cover unfolding news events) had recently been acquired by area TV stations, so Hearst and the Harrises were able to watch the televised siege live from their hotel room in Anaheim.

120 OtterQueen  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:38:03pm

re: #111 Political Atheist

Yes.

I’m heading out to my rocker on the porch to get those damn punks offa my lawn now…

121 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:38:49pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Way to make us feel old….

Heh.

Interesting….San Berdoo Sherriff scanner just said Code 33 has been lifted. Code 33 is emergency comm only.

122 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:39:23pm

Update on the Hagel nod:

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:39:33pm

re: #116 NJDhockeyfan

WTF?

How does murdering the family of his defense council achieve that?

124 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:40:59pm

re: #121 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Heh.

Interesting….San Berdoo Sherriff scanner just said Code 33 has been lifted. Code 33 is emergency comm only.

They’re settling in. The tweeters I’ve been following have gone quiet.

125 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:41:17pm
126 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:42:25pm
127 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:42:45pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

They’re settling in. The tweeters I’ve been following have gone quiet.

That’s what it seems like. A standoff, a siege.

128 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:43:02pm
129 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:43:18pm

He has hostages according to LATimes.

130 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:43:20pm

re: #106 Ming

You should read more.

131 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:43:54pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

He has hostages according to LATimes.

Shit.

132 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:44:03pm

re: #128 Lidane

“Embrace” them as in holding them until the immigration officials show up to haul them off for deportation.

133 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:44:37pm
134 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:46:47pm
135 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:47:04pm

All the #TeamDorner shit is a predictable extension of / variation on the Cult of the Rugged Individual that ‘Merica values so highly.

Just imagine Don LaFontaine saying:

IN A WORLD where blah blah blah….

ONE MAN blah blah blah..

Doesn’t make any difference that Dorner is a murderer. That’s beside the point. People see him as ONE MAN with a grievance standing up against THE SYSTEM that wronged him. People project their own sense of identity as defined by their grievances onto him, and project whoever they imagine their own oppressors to be onto THE SYSTEM. So for every wannabe anarchist who sees him as fighting the cops, there’s a delusional Teahadi survivalist type who sees him as fighting “The Government.”

136 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:49:41pm

I believe this is the truck he hijacked, driven into a ditch:

Image: ZZ7A0CE751.jpg

137 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:49:50pm

re: #133 Kragar (Antichrist )

#TeamDorner kill all them crackers its black history month lmao!

Right, you mean like these two crackers? Idiot. Asshole.

138 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:50:47pm

Internet wonked out on me for a while.

What did I miss?

139 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:51:12pm

re: #136 Charles Johnson

I believe this is the truck he hijacked, driven into a ditch:

Image: ZZ7A0CE751.jpg

I think driving skill was the weakest part of his preparation.

140 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:51:53pm

re: #125 Kragar (Antichrist )

People should not be shocked people are rooting for #TeamDorner. Compared to da LAPD, he maybe the lesser to two evils….

Yeah, he’d be the lesser of two evils till about 5 seconds after he showed up on your doorstep and jammed a gun in your face, then you’d be screaming for the police to come save your stupid ass.

141 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:52:23pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

I think driving skill was the weakest part of his preparation.

It looks like he attempted some serious off-roading, but the truck wasn’t capable of it.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:52:45pm

I don’t think this person is a MENSA member.

143 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:53:11pm

Time to start unfollowing people on Twitter.

144 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:53:24pm
145 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:53:52pm

re: #128 Lidane

You mean the Rand Paul that didn’t vote for VAWA? The version that included expanding the legislation to immigrant women?

146 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:53:55pm
147 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:53:56pm

Wow, they’re playing audio of the earlier gun battle on KCAL 9. A lot of shots.

148 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:54:13pm

Evening Lizardim. Looks like I missed all the action in California, but have no fear - one of my cow-orkers, in fact one of the ones that sits at my desk group, has a son who went to school with the boy who was killed in the St. Paul shooting earlier. So I haven’t been entirely free from retarded pointless gun violence.

149 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:54:14pm

Good grief, the Dorner “supporters” on Twitter. What an embarrassing disgrace.

150 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:54:25pm

Sounds like a war.

151 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:54:41pm
152 Major Tom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:55:17pm

That definitely was a gun battle.

153 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:55:20pm

Sanity:

154 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:06pm
155 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:29pm

They are calling a BearCat to Big Bear.

:0

156 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:33pm

re: #151 Kragar (Antichrist )

There’s scads of these antigovernment guys. That’s not the first time this guy got pissed off at the government.

157 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:45pm

re: #153 Kid Skeeter

progressive fail?

not sanity

158 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:52pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

Sounds like a war.

That’s effectively what it is. And this is the sort of thing the rabid right wing craves. They all want to be That Guy who holes up in a remote cabin and guns down the ebil gubmint officers.

159 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:56:56pm

re: #153 Kid Skeeter

Except for the ‘progressivefail’ bit.

160 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:57:17pm

re: #151 Kragar (Antichrist )

Translation: There are a lot of fucking morons on teh intertubes.

He’s not a hero. He’s not a martyr to The Man. You know, he might have gotten screwed by the LAPD, but as soon as he killed someone over it, he lost whatever moral high ground he might have claimed. Now he’s just a murderer.

I won’t lose any sleep at all if he dies. No one else should either.

161 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:57:38pm

re: #158 Ghost of a Dopefish

That’s effectively what it is. And this is the sort of thing the rabid right wing craves. They all want to be That Guy who holes up in a remote cabin and guns down the ebil gubmint officers.

I don’t think many peoples fantasies end with their own death.

162 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:58:14pm
163 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:58:18pm

re: #161 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t think many peoples fantasies end with their own death.

Because in their fantasies they can’t possibly lose.

164 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:58:34pm

re: #161 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t think many peoples fantasies end with their own death.

You know, you’d be surprised. An awful lot of conservative types I hang out with romanticize the idea of going out in a blaze of glory, “if I’m going down I’m takin’ as many of them with me as I can.” But you’re also right in that most of them do believe they would be victorious.

165 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:58:48pm

re: #161 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t think many peoples fantasies end with their own death.

martyrs —I think there are more of them than we’d like to think.

People who think if that if their life has no meaning, then, at least, their death can.

166 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:59:11pm

re: #164 Ghost of a Dopefish

You know, you’d be surprised. An awful lot of conservative types I hang out with romanticize the idea of going out in a blaze of glory, “if I’m going down I’m takin’ as many of them with me as I can.” But you’re also right in that most of them do believe they would be victorious.

“I die Free”

??

167 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:59:31pm

re: #164 Ghost of a Dopefish

You know, you’d be surprised. An awful lot of conservative types I hang out with romanticize the idea of going out in a blaze of glory, “if I’m going down I’m takin’ as many of them with me as I can.” But you’re also right in that most of them do believe they would be victorious.

Because if there’s anything we’ve learned in the long and depressing history of people killing cops, it’s that if you kill enough of them they’ll give up and stop trying to get you.

168 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:59:49pm
169 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 2:59:54pm

re: #162 Kid Skeeter

oh good, team twitchy has checked in. //

170 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:00:07pm

re: #164 Ghost of a Dopefish

Heh. I’ve never lived anywhere with enough crazy conservatives. To me, the kind of person doing this would be an anarchist. I’ve met a few of those for whom this’d be considered, y’know, good.

171 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:00:23pm

re: #160 Lidane

Translation: There are a lot of fucking morons on teh intertubes.

He’s not a hero. He’s not a martyr to The Man. You know, he might have gotten screwed by the LAPD, but as soon as he killed someone over it, he lost whatever moral high ground he might have claimed. Now he’s just a murderer.

I won’t lose any sleep at all if he dies. No one else should either.

Seconded.

172 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:01:05pm

re: #170 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Heh. I’ve never lived anywhere with enough crazy conservatives. To me, the kind of person doing this would be an anarchist. I’ve met a few of those for whom this’d be considered, y’know, good.

Basically, it’s people who have watched too many gun-porn action movies and want to be the action hero who kills all the corrupt guys and the Big Bad finally gives up and leaves him alone with the smoking hot chick.

173 steve_davis  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:02:45pm

Uhm….if he’s engaged in a shootout with federal authorities, I think it’s safe to say he isn’t in custody.

174 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:03:06pm

re: #172 Ghost of a Dopefish

Basically, it’s people who have watched too many gun-porn action movies and want to be the action hero who kills all the corrupt guys and the Big Bad finally gives up and leaves him alone with the smoking hot chick.

You just drop your cigar on the gasoline puddle and walk unflinchingly away from the explosion in slow motion. The FBI agent suddenly realizes you were right all along and it’s Miller Time.

175 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:03:22pm

re: #172 Ghost of a Dopefish

And that’s not to say that movies are the cause of it, only that they romanticize the notion of the heroic last stand because, well, it works in the movies, dunnit?

176 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:03:41pm

After this, the LAPD better take a good, long look at itself and their idiotic actions during this manhunt.

177 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:03:45pm
178 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:04:14pm

re: #160 Lidane

Yeah, the idiots will be idiots. Twitter has more than 500 million members - if even 0.05% of them are complete fucking morons, that’s still a lot of complete fucking morons.

179 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:04:29pm

Even Benghazi makes an appearance:

180 steve_davis  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:04:37pm

re: #10 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

$3.50 says it’s not even him.

LOL!! “Authorities later discovered that they were in a shoot-out with an elderly woman and her daughter who were just delivering papers in the area.” Yeah, sadly, the current track record suggests this could be a possibility.

181 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:05:14pm

The gun battle occurred after he was already barricaded in the cabin.

182 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:05:21pm

re: #179 Kid Skeeter

Even Benghazi makes an appearance:

Silly wingnut.

183 Christopher's Bitchins  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:05:45pm

The “Team Dorner” people are whacked in the head for sure, but I don’t really think the people supporting Dorner have anything to do with “rugged individualism”. The LAPD has been OVER THE TOP with their policing for decades and it has pushed some people into crazy reactionary mode.

184 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:06:00pm

It doesn’t sound like he has hostages.

185 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:06:36pm

re: #172 Ghost of a Dopefish

The Matrix is pretty fucking ethically lousy, when you think about it. Their excuse for murdering all the cops they do is that they’re so invested in the system they can’t be broken free. What kind of bullshit is that? Why would cops be more invested in the system? It makes no sense.

This has bugged me for a long time.

186 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:07:45pm

re: #185 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The Matrix is pretty fucking ethically lousy, when you think about it. Their excuse for murdering all the cops they do is that they’re so invested in the system they can’t be broken free. What kind of bullshit is that? Why would cops be more invested in the system? It makes no sense.

This has bugged me for a long time.

The cops ARE the system, man. Here, just have a puff of this and it’ll all make sense.

187 Major Tom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:07:58pm

re: #185 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The Matrix is pretty fucking ethically lousy, when you think about it. Their excuse for murdering all the cops they do is that they’re so invested in the system they can’t be broken free. What kind of bullshit is that? Why would cops be more invested in the system? It makes no sense.

This has bugged me for a long time.

What bugs you more, the fact that they gloss over the murder of cops, or that no one ever talks about it, or seem bothered by it?

188 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:08:15pm

Peak derp.

189 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:08:30pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

It doesn’t sound like he has hostages.

I think they’re saying he had some before but not right now.

190 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:08:43pm

re: #188 Gus

Peak derp.

Dornghazi!

191 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:08:58pm

re: #188 Gus

Peak derp.

You NEVER go full wingnut.

192 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:09:14pm

re: #179 Kid Skeeter

Even Benghazi makes an appearance:

No surprise there. No surprise with this one linking it to comments POTUS made after the thing with Henry Louis Gates Jr. nearly 4 years ago either:

193 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:09:31pm

re: #187 Major Tom

What bugs you more, the fact that they gloss over the murder of cops, or that no one ever talks about it, or seem bothered by it?

The former. The movie is such escapist silliness that I don’t expect people to actually treat it as a narrative with lessons to be learned or anything.

194 Kid A  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:09:40pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Yeah, the idiots will be idiots. Twitter has more than 500 million members - if even 0.05% of them are complete fucking morons, that’s still a lot of complete fucking morons.

Yep. 50,000 complete fucking morons is a lot of complete fucking morons.

195 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:09:43pm

re: #98 richardf

re: #183 Christopher’s Bitchins

Welcome, hatchlings.

196 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:09:50pm

re: #191 Ghost of a Dopefish

You NEVER go full wingnut.

Wingnut. Right.

197 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:10:20pm

re: #193 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The former. The movie is such escapist silliness that I don’t expect people to actually treat it as a narrative with lessons to be learned or anything.

I’ll have to re watch it now that you’ve mentioned it.

198 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:10:23pm

re: #183 Christopher’s Bitchins

The “Team Dorner” people are whacked in the head for sure, but I don’t really think the people supporting Dorner have anything to do with “rugged individualism”. The LAPD has been OVER THE TOP with their policing for decades and it has pushed some people into crazy reactionary mode.

I’m sure most of these people haven’t been anywhere near LA in their lives, though.

199 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:10:25pm

Wow. I’m out of here for a while.

O_o

200 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:10:48pm

To be honest, I rarely look at popular hashtag threads on Twitter - they almost always turn into idiotfests. That’s not how I usually use Twitter.

201 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:10:52pm

re: #199 Gus

Wow. I’m out of here for a while.

O_o

Take it easy, Gus. It’s a hard day to be a Twitterer.

202 BongCrodny  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:11:16pm

re: #128 Lidane

Sen. Rand Paul will call on GOP to “embrace” immigrants in Tea Party #SOTU response:”

The huddled masses in Whiteistan leap for joy.

203 Major Tom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:11:28pm

“We still don’t have confirmation that this is Dorner…” If there is another wingnut, with an arsenal, fighting the cops on that mountain, and this is a coincidental encounter… I don’t even… What the…

204 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:11:49pm

I’m sure, if I looked, I’d find people defending pedophilia on twitter.

205 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:12:04pm

Just send the #teamdorner moonbats to the #tgdn wingnuts and let them get each other banned into oblivion.

206 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:12:58pm

re: #193 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The former. The movie is such escapist silliness that I don’t expect people to actually treat it as a narrative with lessons to be learned or anything.

I can’t watch it once I realized the One was nothing more than a honeypot in the DMZ put in place by antivirus techs.

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:13:12pm

re: #202 BongCrodny

The huddled masses in Whiteistan leap for joy.

Eh, based upon the snippet I saw, Aqua Budda’s not saying anything the rest of the GOP isn’t saying, namely “We’re all for legal immigration, but we all them illegals run out on a rail.”

208 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:13:26pm

re: #191 Ghost of a Dopefish

You NEVER go full wingnut.

Obligatory:

209 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:14:42pm
210 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:15:19pm

It’s amazing that there are people who are idolizing what Dorner’s doing, or excusing his actions because of whatever “truths” he told in his manifesto (which happens to be all over the political spectrum and is a pu pu platter of psycho, to say nothing of the cavalcade of crazy).

I wonder how much overlap there is between the Dorner supporters and the sovereign citizen movement, to say nothing of the anti-government types out on the fringes. This is the outcome that they are expecting - to go out in a blaze of gunfire that they initiate so as to fulfill their belief that the government is indeed out to get them.

211 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:15:29pm

re: #209 wrenchwench

Yeah, no LAPD.
You stand aside.

212 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:16:20pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

Eh, based upon the snippet I saw, Aqua Budda’s not saying anything the rest of the GOP isn’t saying, namely “We’re all for legal immigration, but we all them illegals run out on a rail.”

“We don’t count undocumented people as people, furthermore we won’t spend one red cent for anything for these people other than deportation or law enforcement purposes. They can be exploited, raped, beaten, worked to death and even murdered, and we won’t life one finger to protect them regardless of age. Praise Jesus” !!!

213 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:18:59pm

re: #211 Varek Raith

Yeah, no LAPD.
You stand aside.

They’ve screwed this up enough. LAPD needs to go back to the police academy. I never thought I’d say this, but even Chicago police are better than that.

214 Christopher's Bitchins  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:20:30pm

re: #210

Zero overlap IMO. I really think most of the Dorner fans are inner city people who probably feel victimized by the police and are taking out their fury on the LAPD. I think most of the sovereign citizens and anti gubmint types think Dorner is a “librul”.

215 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:21:04pm

Please sign the petition to get VAWA thru the House.

216 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:23:19pm

And nothing is happening because they’re letting this old fart ramble on for at least 5 minutes on NBC

217 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:23:39pm
The National Organization for Women lauds today’s Senate vote to pass an inclusive and long-overdue reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Act (VAWA). Despite efforts by a handful of misguided Republicans to undermine the bill’s important provisions, the Senate reauthorized the act with a bipartisan vote of 78-22, sending it to the House for immediate action.

Like the version passed by the Senate in the last Congress, S. 47 extends its protections and improved access to services to students, those in need of housing, immigrant women, LGBT individuals and Native American women living on tribal lands. These underserved victims experience sexual assault, domestic and dating violence and stalking at similar if not higher rates than other survivors, and they often struggle to obtain services, legal protections and basic justice.

VAWA faces tougher opposition in the House, where a radical fringe still controls the Republican leadership. All indications are that majority leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) and others will continue their shameful efforts to delay passage of the bill, or will try to push through a measure that would leave Native American and immigrant women, LGBT victims and others at risk. These lawmakers need to stop ignoring the daily shootings, burnings, druggings, beatings, rapes and assaults, and recognize the need for improving VAWA to help law enforcement, community service providers and public officials do their jobs.

We call on the House to take up and pass Rep. Gwen Moore’s (D-Wis.) bill (H.R. 11), which mirrors the bipartisan Senate bill and already has nearly 200 sponsors.

The time for delay is over. Let’s recognize that all women matter, and pass the inclusive version of VAWA now.

218 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:23:44pm

re: #214 Christopher’s Bitchins

re: #210

Zero overlap IMO. I really think most of the Dorner fans are inner city people who probably feel victimized by the police and are taking out their fury on the LAPD. I think most of the sovereign citizens and anti gubmint types think Dorner is a “librul”.

I disagree. Some Dorner fans (as seen on Twitter) are anti-government libertarian types. The ‘inner city’ folks are more amused at seeing cops feeling helpless, but are not rooting for Dorner.

219 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:24:01pm

re: #193 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The former. The movie is such escapist silliness that I don’t expect people to actually treat it as a narrative with lessons to be learned or anything.

Well. I did learn something. I learned that there is no spoon.

220 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:24:13pm
221 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:25:52pm

re: #193 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The former. The movie is such escapist silliness that I don’t expect people to actually treat it as a narrative with lessons to be learned or anything.

The Matrix = the cinematic version of those late night bull sessions you had in college when you and your friends smoked too much weed and had too much cheap beer and you were trying to sound enlightened.

222 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:26:46pm
223 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:27:11pm

re: #214 Christopher’s Bitchins

That fancy button marked ‘reply’ can be used to ‘reply’ to posts.

224 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:28:13pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

I disagree. Some Dorner fans (as seen on Twitter) are anti-government libertarian types. The ‘inner city’ folks are more amused at seeing cops feeling helpless, but are not rooting for Dorner.

There are gangsta types and associated idiots who are rooting for Dorner in a fuck the police way. There’s not actually very many tweets under teamdorner, it’s pretty much just the ass-corner of the internet, and doesn’t really deserve this much attention.

225 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:28:23pm

uh-huh

Claiming that the reauthorization would expand the definition of domestic violence to include “emotional distress,” Heritage [Action] declared that the “expansive and vague language will increase fraud and false allegations, for which there is no legal recourse.”

Under VAWA, men effectively lose their constitutional rights to due process, presumption of innocence, equal treatment under the law, the right to a fair trial and to confront one’s accusers, the right to bear arms, and all custody/visitation rights,” the group wrote. “It is unprecedented, unnecessary and dangerous.”

FreedomWorks also worried that the legislation would be unfair to men.

226 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:28:53pm

re: #218 wrenchwench

I disagree. Some Dorner fans (as seen on Twitter) are anti-government libertarian types. The ‘inner city’ folks are more amused at seeing cops feeling helpless, but are not rooting for Dorner.

Yeah, to me it seems like a whole lot of projection & confirmation bias going on.

227 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:29:14pm
228 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:30:03pm
229 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:30:40pm

re: #224 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

…There’s not actually very many tweets under teamdorner, it’s pretty much just the ass-corner of the internet, and doesn’t really deserve this much attention.

It’s like Christmas for trolls. They’re loving it.

230 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:30:44pm

Sorry if I seem less concerned with the thread topic than current legislation. Wingnut neanderthals in the House are probably very happy the nation is distracted right now.

Please show them we are not so easily amused.

231 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:30:50pm

re: #227 Kragar (Antichrist )

A sentiment that Bryan is all too familiar with when saying it towards those supporting “amnesty.”

232 jaunte  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:31:25pm

re: #227 Kragar (Antichrist )

Political opponent facing eternal damnation? Inconceivable!

233 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:31:43pm

If you wanted to knock over a bank in Barstow, now would be the time.

Just sayin’.

234 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:31:43pm

If he can keep this up for another four hours, Fox won’t have to air the POTUS’ SOTU address.

235 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:31:49pm

re: #225 FemNaziBitch

uh-huh

Of course they don’t agree with it. To them, domestic violence is when hubby hits her too hard or too often for the bruises to be easily covered up and explained away as “clumsiness.”

236 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:32:05pm

re: #225 FemNaziBitch

My snarky response is unhelpful here, so I signed the petition instead.

237 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:32:06pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

If you wanted to knock over a bank in Barstow, now would be the time.

Just sayin’.

Yeah, but you’d be in Barstow.

238 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:33:25pm

re: #233 goddamnedfrank

If you wanted to knock over a bank in Barstow, now would be the time.

Just sayin’.

No shit, if the LAPD’s goal is to send all the wrong lessons on gun control to the public, then mission accomplished.

239 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:33:52pm

re: #227 Kragar (Antichrist )

Because it’s all about Bryan and he knows everything… .

*spit*

240 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:34:13pm

re: #230 FemNaziBitch

Call your congresscritter’s offices. Both local and the DC offices. Enough pissed off constituents calling and calling will help. At this point every little bit helps. It’s insane we even have to have this be an issue at this point.

And unfair to men? Really,that’s where they’re going with this? Unfair how, that it won’t be QUITE as easy to be an abusive shitheel?

241 Christopher's Bitchins  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:34:14pm

re: #223 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Thank you. :)

242 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:37:06pm

email Boehner

“Pass VAWA NOW!”

243 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:39:25pm

Holy shit when did Magnum PI get added to Netflix.

There goes tomorrow.

244 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:40:14pm

Personal Big Bear history:

I was invited by a friend when I was about 11 to spend a weekend up there with a couple of other friends. Turned out to be a recruiting thing for her evangelical church. That’s where I found out that Catholics aren’t considered Christians by some other Christians. One of my other friends ended up getting married in that church (many years later), so it wasn’t a complete waste for the recruiters.

I was enchanted by the mountains, forest, snow, etc., and now I live in a town that’s kind of like Big Bear was then (in the 60s) only a lot farther away from LA.

245 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:40:21pm

I get very upset that the Wingnut Congress Critters don’t seem concerned about the little boys (well, all children) being raised in abusive situations. They seem to be focused on the male of the species, but only the ones that can vote.

Perhaps they are wise to the fact that the rest of us would like a world in which little boys don’t grow-up to be Assholes like them.

246 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:40:32pm

Anon is planning on disrupting live streams of the SOTU speech tonight.

247 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:40:40pm

Why is the LAPD wasting manpower at San Bernadino airport?

248 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:40:45pm

re: #243 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Holy shit when did Magnum PI get added to Netflix.

There goes tomorrow.

A long time ago.

249 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:41:16pm

Oh, shit.

250 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:42:04pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Oh, shit.

Oh, no.

251 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:42:38pm

One SBCS deputy reported dead. Just in.

252 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:42:39pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Oh, shit.

Damn.

253 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:43:30pm

re: #249 wrenchwench

Oh, shit.

Oh, no. No, no, no. Although that does, at least, guarantee that Dorner will be coming out of this in a body bag.

254 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:44:02pm

re: #253 Ghost of a Dopefish

Oh, no. No, no, no. Although that does, at least, guarantee that Dorner will be coming out of this in a body bag.

And he knows it.

255 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:45:33pm

CONTACT You Representative. Urge them to Pass VAWA with the current changes to protect immigrants, undocumented people, LGBT individuals and Native American Women. No changes to the Senate Version.

256 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:45:35pm

re: #240 A Mom Anon

It’s insane we even have to have this be an issue at this point.

Image: protest.jpg

257 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:45:40pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

And he knows it.

It wasn’t likely that he’d survive even at the beginning of this, but that effectively seals his fate.

258 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:46:01pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

And he knows it.

Well, it was his plan.

259 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:46:51pm

re: #256 Lidane

Image: protest.jpg

It’s about the money. They don’t want to spend money on the “special interest” groups that are added to the legislation. Especially the undocumented people.

because, the Constitution doesn’t protect them

260 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:48:36pm
261 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:48:36pm

This is what makes him that much more dangerous.
He knows, and knew before he started, that he was not going to survive this.

262 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:50:00pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

This is what makes him that much more dangerous.
He knows, and knew before he started, that he was not going to survive this.

An elaborate suicide by cop.

263 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:50:23pm

CONTACT ERIC CANTOR

Who, BTW, doesn’t have “Women” listed as a Topic in his Drop-down list.

264 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:50:51pm

re: #260 wrenchwench

Yeah, I heard that on the TV. The reporter asked everyone to “stop tweeting” because it was interfering with the sheriff department’s activities.

I find it hard to believe, and even harder to believe that it would work.

265 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:52:59pm

Indiana bigot gets the Billy Madison treatment.

266 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:54:52pm

re: #253 Ghost of a Dopefish

Oh, no. No, no, no. Although that does, at least, guarantee that Dorner will be coming out of this in a body bag.

Probably better that way. If he was to survive and go to prison, he’d end up being viewed as a hero by a bunch of screwed up people who’d be building websites and signing petitions trying to get him freed. There’d probably also be some seriously messed up women wanting to marry him. Ugh.

And the trial? 100X more of a circus than OJ’s.

267 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:56:17pm

re: #265 darthstar

Indiana bigot gets the Billy Madison treatment.

[Embedded content]

Good one. Win.

268 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:56:31pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

It could still happen.

269 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:57:04pm

re: #265 darthstar

Indiana bigot gets the Billy Madison treatment.

[Embedded content]

Winnar! I like that. :D

270 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:57:05pm

I tried emailing the Majority Whip, Kevin McCarthy, but it seems he only accepts letters from people in his state.

His drop-down box also doesn’t include Women as a topic. (or children or Family)

So much for those Christian GOP Family Values.

271 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:57:36pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Probably better that way. If he was to survive and go to prison, he’d end up being viewed as a hero by a bunch of screwed up people who’d be building websites and signing petitions trying to get him freed. There’d probably also be some seriously messed up women wanting to marry him. Ugh.

And the trial? 100X more of a circus than OJ’s.

Look at Richard Ramirez, the Night Stalker. Women went cuckoo for him; some women considered him the modern Rudolph Valentino.

Go figure.

272 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 3:59:23pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Probably better that way. If he was to survive and go to prison, he’d end up being viewed as a hero by a bunch of screwed up people who’d be building websites and signing petitions trying to get him freed. There’d probably also be some seriously messed up women wanting to marry him. Ugh.

And the trial? 100X more of a circus than OJ’s.

Fry Free Mumia!

*spit*

273 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:00:28pm

re: #272 Ghost of a Dopefish

That’s one of the ones I was thinking about.

274 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:01:12pm
275 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:02:17pm

re: #272 Ghost of a Dopefish

Fry Free Mumia!

*spit*

Free Mumia…with every purchase.

//

276 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:02:53pm

Fucking Drudge.

277 Joanne  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:02:56pm

re: #153 Kid Skeeter

Sanity:

Really? ProgressiveFail is sanity? Ooooookay.

278 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:04:40pm

There are numerous articles out there on why VAW is so bad for men. None, of whose sites I will link here. The DKos (#225) one above is only one example. Feel free to google yourself “VAWA bad for Men” if you aren’t yet up to the level of frustration I am.

279 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:05:25pm

Just heard a report they think Dorner might have some police uniforms, so they’re worried he might try to blend in and escape in a breach.

280 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:05:44pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

There are numerous articles out there on why VAW is so bad for men.

And so fucking what if it were? We judge things on the balance.

281 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:06:49pm

Credit where credit is due. There are 17 GOP Reps who are urging passage of VAWA.

282 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:07:06pm

re: #279 Kragar (Antichrist )

Just heard a report they think Dorner might have some police uniforms, so they’re worried he might try to blend in and escape in a breach.

Not good. They already have the circular firing squad set up.

283 Major Tom  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:08:42pm

I just heard on Fox he may have acquired an additional weapon from the couple he held hostage earlier.

284 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:09:03pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

There are numerous articles out there on why VAW is so bad for men. None, of whose sites I will link here. The DKos (#225) one above is only one example. Feel free to google yourself “VAWA bad for Men” if you aren’t yet up to the level of frustration I am.

Why in the HELL would an act discouraging violence against women be BAD for men?!

285 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:09:24pm

Yeah well, I’ve been watching CNN and MSNBC and they sure as hell don’t idolize him back. Dumbfuck.

286 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:09:34pm

re: #284 Ghost of a Dopefish

Why in the HELL would an act discouraging violence against women be BAD for men?!

Because men’s rights. Or something.

287 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:12pm

Dumbass just said he’s not scared of Dorner because he’s only going after cops.

Fucktard. He’s killed 2 civilians already and took 2 women hostage.

288 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:15pm

re: #280 erik_t

And so fucking what if it were? We judge things on the balance.

NO, I don’t agree. It’s not a zero-sum game. We can’t approve legislation that would put either on the side-line. It’s a matter of criminal activity and not gender-issues.

289 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:16pm

I will shortly be changing my focus from this to the SotU. This assbag wants the entire world’s eyes on him in his blaze of glory.

Denied. I’ll read about your final moments over Thursday coffee, Dorner.

290 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:34pm

re: #283 Major Tom

I just heard on Fox he may have acquired an additional weapon from the couple he held hostage earlier.

LIBRUL LIES!1! MOAR GUNZ MEANZ MOAR GUD GUYS SHOOTS TEH BAD MENZ!1!

291 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:36pm

re: #285 Vicious Babushka

Yeah well, I’ve been watching CNN and MSNBC and they sure as hell don’t idolize him back. Dumbfuck.

He’s also a fan of conservative talk radio hosts John and Ken, local assholes.

292 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:10:43pm

*sigh*

My state, y’all:

293 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:11:05pm

re: #286 Lidane

Because men’s rights. Or something.

I’m a man. I don’t have the right to beat my wife (or any other woman).

294 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:11:16pm

re: #286 Lidane

Because men’s rights. Or something.

Money and Power, they are so afraid of losing both.

295 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:11:36pm

re: #286 Lidane

Because men’s rights. Or something.

They seem to be under the impression that rights are a zero sum game. If you give women the right to not be raped and murdered, then you gotta take something away from the menz.

296 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:12:01pm

re: #293 Ghost of a Dopefish

I’m a man. I don’t have the right to beat my wife (or any other woman).

You know, it wasn’t very long ago that, by law, you did.

Some people see this as the natural order.

297 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:12:45pm

re: #284 Ghost of a Dopefish

Why in the HELL would an act discouraging violence against women be BAD for men?!

It prevents us from physically disciplining misbehaving wives and girlfriends.

Our privileged position is being eroded by all these new laws.

298 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:13:19pm

re: #296 FemNaziBitch

You know, it wasn’t very long ago that, by law, you did.

Some people see this as the natural order.

I have a hard as hell time swatting a bug.
Hitting another person?
Nope. I can’t do it.
/Badass undead :)

299 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:13:33pm

re: #293 Ghost of a Dopefish

I’m a man. I don’t have the right to beat my wife (or any other woman).

Ah, but you used to have those rights. Then women had to get all uppity and feminist and demand things like the vote, and the right to divorce and the right to control their bodies and their lives.

That’s a bad thing, don’tcha know. Men are somehow harmed by that. =P

300 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:14:46pm

re: #276 wrenchwench

Fucking Drudge.

Drudge can try all he wants, but a crazed murderer isn’t going to get the Rodney King kind of reaction wingnuts pray for.

301 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:14:51pm

re: #288 FemNaziBitch

NO, I don’t agree. It’s not a zero-sum game. We can’t approve legislation that would put either on the side-line. It’s a matter of criminal activity and not gender-issues.

Without engaging in a discussion on what isn’t an important point to me, saying that X legislation would be bad for group A doesn’t mean, in a vacuum, that X cannot be passed. It’s just illogical; the entire point of civilized society is an intelligent balance between limiting the ability of some people to dictate to others.

302 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:14:54pm

re: #295 Shvaughn

They seem to be under the impression that rights are a zero sum game. If you give women the right to not be raped and murdered, then you gotta take something away from the menz.

Some would make the argument that a man should be able to defend himself against a woman attacking him - and yes, it does happen. Without having read the text of the bill, I’m guessing that’s probably already been covered, and if not, a jury would probably rule self-defense if it truly was a case of aggression.

304 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:15:40pm

KTLA just reported that perhaps Dorner stole a police cruiser and boogied outta there. Just cop rumors they’re hearing right now. But some deputies pulled out of the area where Dorner is thought to be, and blew out of there like a bat out of hell.

305 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:17:14pm

re: #303 FemNaziBitch

In Minnesota, it was not until 1979 that any type of law was established with a penalty for beating a spouse.

Funny how far we’ve come; in my karate classes, I’ve been taught that I have to be extremely cautious when defending myself with my skills, as I could be arrested and convicted for assault even if I am not the aggressor in a conflict, because I am a “large and intimidating man” and I should be able to deter a smaller attacker using other means than violence.

306 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:17:16pm
307 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:17:31pm

re: #304 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

KTLA just reported that perhaps Dorner stole a police cruiser and boogied outta there. Just cop rumors they’re hearing right now. But some deputies pulled out of the area where Dorner is thought to be, and blew out of there like a bat out of hell.

Nothing about that on NBC or CNN

309 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:18:42pm

re: #307 Kragar (Antichrist )

Nothing about that on NBC or CNN

It was just on KTLA a couple of minutes ago.

310 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:19:32pm

re: #308 FemNaziBitch

British Common Law stated a man could beat his wife with a stick no thicker than his thumb

Interesting. That’s identical to various fiqh rulings from the four schools of Islamic jurisprudence.

311 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:20:22pm

OK, got two medium pizzas and other things so I can settle down now. Haven’t eaten all day until now. As far as this situation is concerned I’m not going to believe anything until the dust settles. 24 hour rule at the very least.

312 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:20:54pm

re: #311 Gus

OK, got two medium pizzas and other things so I can settle down now. Haven’t eaten all day until now. As far as this situation is concerned I’m not going to believe anything until the dust settles. 24 hour rule at the very least.

What kind of pizza? Does it have pineapple?

313 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:21:23pm

Well, looks like this might be over soon.

314 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:21:23pm

Looks like the cabin is on fire.

315 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:21:49pm

re: #312 Shvaughn

What kind of pizza? Does it have pineapple?

If it does, the Grand Inquisitor will have a few words with Gus.

///

316 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:21:52pm

re: #311 Gus

OK, got two medium pizzas and other things so I can settle down now. Haven’t eaten all day until now. As far as this situation is concerned I’m not going to believe anything until the dust settles. 24 hour rule at the very least.

Pizza sounds good. I had a pretty good dinner, though, so I doubt the Mrs. Fish would let me fire one up.

317 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:22:10pm

re: #312 Shvaughn

What kind of pizza? Does it have pineapple?

Eek! Nah. One has sausage and extra cheese and the other is a pepperoni with extra cheese.

318 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:22:16pm

…listening to the scanner. Building engulfed, fire staging, one shot fired inside building.

319 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:22:50pm

re: #318 Single-handed sailor

…listening to the scanner. Building engulfed, fire staging, one shot fired inside building.

One shot? That don’t sound good.

320 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:22:52pm
Towards the middle of the 19th century in England, Queen Victoria came into power, and the Brits began enacting many laws protecting women, even allowing them to file for divorce on the grounds of abuse, for perhaps the first time in western history. While Europe was moving forward, however, America was still stuck in the Stone Age. In 1911, a NY court ruled that domestic violence issues were best left to psychiatrists and mediators, who would use only discussion to ‘solve’ the issues at home. Sometimes only one spouse had to be present. This set domestic violence legislation back for many years to come. In fact, the Association for the Protection of Animal Welfare AND the Association for the Protection of Children were both established decades before most domestic violence and spousal rape laws were even regarded as legal issues.

Anti-Violence Policy Comes to Life in the 20th Century (Finally…)

The 1994 Violence Against Women Act was one of the first federal programs which outlined programs to prevent and address violence against women, and even established a domestic violence hotline. Despite the many advancements women made in society, such as obtaining the right to vote, receiving equal pay at work, and having a voice in politics, domestic violence laws were enacted differently from state-to-state. This act, however, not only established federal funding for domestic violence outreach programs, but also extended protection to women who were not permanent legal citizens of the US. VAWA was considered the most comprehensive legislation for victims of domestic violence in US history at the time, and has since been expanded and edited many times, in 1996 and 2002.

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321 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:23:02pm

re: #318 Single-handed sailor

…listening to the scanner. Building engulfed, fire staging, one shot fired inside building.

Sounds like he killed himself then, most likely.

322 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:23:07pm
323 CuriousLurker  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:23:10pm

KCAL says cabin on fire. Police shot tear gas, but unknown how fire started (could have been suspect). Police doing nothing; keeping guns trained on cabin.

Live feed. Other deputy shot is in surgery, but should be fine.

324 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:23:51pm

It also sounds like SWAT lit the cabin on fire with flares.

325 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:24:40pm

Waco!!11ty

326 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:24:51pm

re: #324 Single-handed sailor

It also sounds like SWAT lit the cabin on fire with flares.

Tear gas cannister’s get hot (so people can’t pick them up and throw them back). It could have set something on fire.

327 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:24:53pm

re: #324 Single-handed sailor

It also sounds like SWAT lit the cabin on fire with flares.

Seems like it would have been easier to just bludgeon the thing down with a D9.

328 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:25:32pm

SWAT team has breached according to CNN

329 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:25:37pm
330 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:26:08pm

Dorner shootout was an inside job man! //

331 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:26:18pm

re: #326 Kragar (Antichrist )

Tear gas cannister’s get hot (so people can’t pick them up and throw them back). It could have set something on fire.

A little more prosaic than that. The tear gas is essentially a form of smoke. The thing’s burning inside; it’d be quite a trick to keep it cool on the outside.

332 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:27:04pm

re: #325 Gus

Waco!!11ty

Rubyghazi!

333 Joanne  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:27:17pm

re: #270 FemNaziBitch

I tried emailing the Majority Whip, Kevin McCarthy, but it seems he only accepts letters from people in his state.

His drop-down box also doesn’t include Women as a topic. (or children or Family)

So much for those Christian GOP Family Values.

To the Christian GOPers, women are to be owned. No drop down for selecting “property”.

334 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:27:28pm

re: #291 Shvaughn

He’s also a fan of conservative talk radio hosts John and Ken, local assholes.

Yeah, but he also likes liked Bill Handel, who I think is awesome.

335 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:28:31pm

re: #332 Varek Raith

Rubyghazi!

People already know how the fire started because that’s how science works! It was the LAPD!!!ty

336 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:29:05pm

Sounds like its just about over. Are they still looking for his friend?

337 blueraven  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:31:58pm

re: #292 Lidane

*sigh*

My state, y’all:

Yeah, its an embarrassment. He represents the newly created 36th district which includes Jasper TX….infamous for the James Byrd killing.

338 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:32:02pm

re: #335 Gus

People already know how the fire started because that’s how science works! It was the LAPD!!!ty

No, see if it was the LAPD the house next door would be on fire.
/

339 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:32:05pm
340 KiTA  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:33:24pm

Waco 2.0? Apparently they’ve blocked him in and the place is now on fire.

341 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:34:15pm

re: #338 Varek Raith

No, see if it was the LAPD the house next door would be on fire.
/

So the LAPD got there already and decided to set the place on fire and we’ve already got the forensics reports which we can’t trust because it’s just going to be written up to the protect the man!

//

342 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:34:45pm

re: #341 Gus

So the LAPD got there already and decided to set the place on fire and we’ve already got the forensics reports which we can’t trust because it’s just going to be written up to the protect the man!

//

Also, it was aliens.

343 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:35:02pm

re: #340 KiTA

Waco 2.0? Apparently they’ve blocked him in and the place is now on fire.

OK, I’ll bite. How are we able to come to this conclusion already?

344 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:35:19pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

Also, it was aliens.

Scientologists!

345 Single-handed sailor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:35:31pm

re: #341 Gus

So the LAPD got there already and decided to set the place on fire and we’ve already got the forensics reports which we can’t trust because it’s just going to be written up to the protect the man!

//

I hear them on the scanner say they deployed 7 flares, and then were looking for signs of flames.

346 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:36:34pm

re: #340 KiTA

Waco 2.0? Apparently they’ve blocked him in and the place is now on fire.

Watching live video…there is no fire.

347 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:36:44pm

Towards the bottom is the bit about beating wives. The page doesn’t seem to want me to copy and paste anything.

“other than lawfully and reasonably pertains to the husband for the rule and correction of his wife”

Well, it is certainly the usual clear and understandable legalese we are so used to :)

348 KiTA  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:36:50pm

So that was meant as snark. Can’t go back and edit cause the website doesn’t really work well with mobile browsers.

349 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:36:57pm

re: #343 Gus

OK, I’ll bite. How are we able to come to this conclusion already?

BENGHAZI!

350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:37:10pm

re: #343 Gus

OK, I’ll bite. How are we able to come to this conclusion already?

It’s inevitable. We all know where this is headed and what some people are going to believe. This is all as predictable as the sunrise.

351 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:37:32pm

re: #349 darthstar

BENGHAZI!

I love it. It’s amazing to see the turnabout of sorts.

352 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:37:37pm

re: #343 Gus

OK, I’ll bite. How are we able to come to this conclusion already?

Drones.

353 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:38:54pm

re: #346 darthstar

Watching live video…there is no fire.

Video here shows flames:

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com…]

354 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:39:05pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

Drones.

Two drones walk into a bar… oh wait, there’s black smoke coming out of the area right now…maybe he decided burning some tires will help. The smoke isn’t from the cabin itself, but from a wooded area near by.

355 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:39:16pm

re: #352 Varek Raith

Drones.

DRONE NAPALM

WE’RE ALL GONNA DIE

356 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:39:31pm

re: #343 Gus

OK, I’ll bite. How are we able to come to this conclusion already?

How is that a conclusion? He is blocked in, and the place appears to be on fire. Am I missing something?

357 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:40:08pm

re: #354 darthstar

Two drones walk into a bar… oh wait, there’s black smoke coming out of the area right now…maybe he decided burning some tires will help. The smoke isn’t from the cabin itself, but from a wooded area near by.

It looked like the building was on fire. It’s more of long shot from the helicopter now.

358 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:40:16pm

Okay…90 minutes until the SOTU speech…time to let law enforcement do their job and focus on the bigger picture…

359 austin_blue  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:40:35pm

re: #286 Lidane

Because men’s rights. Or something.

They’re just like them gays, asking for special privileges and such.

360 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:40:54pm

All the ammo inside the cabin must be going off right now.

361 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:02pm

re: #356 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

How is that a conclusion? He is blocked in, and the place appears to be on fire. Am I missing something?

Is he even inside? Have the identified a body? Was there a fire investigation? Was there a police investigation? Forensics? Coroners report?

362 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:03pm

re: #357 Sionainn

It looked like the building was on fire. It’s more of long shot from the helicopter now.

Who is this woman on MSNBC that sounds like Greta “I just bit into a turd” Van Susteren?

363 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:10pm

re: #345 Single-handed sailor

I hear them on the scanner say they deployed 7 flares, and then were looking for signs of flames.

If they are shooting flares into a wood structure there really isn’t much room for interpretation other than they wanted to burn the building down around him. It also complicates the crime scene by burning away any evidence that may be present.

Just on the surface, it appears that the local authorities had no intention whatsoever of having a resolution that resulted in Dorner’s survival to stand trial.

364 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:33pm

re: #360 NJDhockeyfan

All the ammo inside the cabin must be going off right now.

Except the fire is not in the cabin itself.

365 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:47pm
366 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:41:49pm

re: #363 RadicalModerate

If they are shooting flares into a wood structure there really isn’t much room for interpretation other than they wanted to burn the building down around him. It also complicates the crime scene by burning away any evidence that may be present.

Just on the surface, it appears that the local authorities had no intention whatsoever of having a resolution that resulted in Dorner’s survival to stand trial.

Can you prove this?

367 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:42:04pm

re: #363 RadicalModerate

If they are shooting flares into a wood structure there really isn’t much room for interpretation other than they wanted to burn the building down around him. It also complicates the crime scene by burning away any evidence that may be present.

Just on the surface, it appears that the local authorities had no intention whatsoever of having a resolution that resulted in Dorner’s survival to stand trial.

The only evidence they need are his teeth.

368 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:42:48pm

re: #346 darthstar

Watching live video…there is no fire.

I’m watching the live CNN/KABC video right now. The cabin is very much engulfed in flames.

369 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:42:49pm

re: #365 Interesting Times

I like his tweets, but I wish he wouldn’t use a pic of my package as his profile image.

370 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:43:00pm

re: #362 darthstar

Who is this woman on MSNBC that sounds like Greta “I just bit into a turd” Van Susteren?

I don’t know…I’ve got it on CBS Los Angeles online.

371 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:43:12pm

re: #361 Gus

Is he even inside? Have the identified a body? Was there a fire investigation? Was there a police investigation? Forensics? Coroners report?

No, and I’m not sure what that has to do with saying that apparently he’s blocked in and the cabin is on fire.

Maybe it’s not even Dorner in there. Who knows. I don’t see much point in speculation but there’s not a lot of harm either unless the speculation itself is whackjob in some way.

372 richardf  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:43:48pm

Its going to be dark in one hour. There is no way the police were going to let this thing go through the night. So it would make great sense to start a fire to force him out. If he chooses not to come out and instead get burned to death, its his choice.

373 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:44:02pm

re: #363 RadicalModerate

You can run out of a burning building, you know.

There is a weird idea from a lot of people that the plan is to simply shoot him. If he came out with his arms over his head and complied with all instructions, he wouldn’t get shot.

Probably.

374 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:44:33pm

Oh crap, just saw a deputy is dead. Now it does look like the cabin is burning down. They are speculating a lone shot that was heard after the fire started was his suicide. They being CBS2

Tear gas grenades start fires sometimes.

375 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:45:38pm

re: #368 RadicalModerate

I’m watching the live CNN/KABC video right now. The cabin is very much engulfed in flames.

Okay, maybe they’ve got recycled tape they’re looping in with the live video of the smoke.

Honestly, I don’t need to watch this live. I’m happy talking about the POTUS and what he has to say…it has far more impact on my life. I really hope that 5pm brings us Rachel Maddow and the end of this crisis coverage. We’re gaining nothing from all this crap.

376 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:45:47pm

I feel sorry for the owner of the cabin that just burned to the ground. My family has a cabin in the mountains too.

377 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:46:42pm

re: #376 Shvaughn

When people are dying, property is a distinctly secondary concern.

Anyway, I’m checking out of the live coverage. Feels too ghoulish.

378 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:46:55pm

Derp:

379 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:47:33pm

re: #366 Gus

Can you prove this?

Just speculation on my part, which is why I stated that it was an on-the-surface observation. If someone else can explain a logical reason for firing flares into a building (as documented on #345) other than to set the structure ablaze, I’m willing to entertain those.

380 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:48:01pm

I see lots of angry people on Twitter. I hope this doesn’t make the LAPD targets from some crazy Dorner supporters.

381 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:48:51pm

re: #376 Shvaughn

I feel sorry for the owner of the cabin that just burned to the ground. My family has a cabin in the mountains too.

Insurance doesn’t cover such types of burning, IIRC. City or Dorner’s estate will have to be sued to get renumeration, I think.

382 darthstar  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:49:41pm

They’re called Klieg Lights! Shit. Fucking amateurs.

383 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:49:46pm

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

I see lots of angry stupid people on Twitter.

Twitter has somewhere in the neighborhood of 500 million people using it. The chances of a good chunk of them being complete fucking morons is pretty good.

384 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:50:30pm
385 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:51:09pm

re: #383 Lidane

Twitter has somewehre in the neighborhood of 500 million people using it. The chances of a good chunk of them being complete fucking morons is pretty good.

That’s what I’m worried about. Lets hope they come to their senses after this is over.

386 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:51:33pm
387 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:52:52pm

re: #377 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

When people are dying, property is a distinctly secondary concern.

Anyway, I’m checking out of the live coverage. Feels too ghoulish.

Oh, i agree.

But I’ve been in a situation when I’ve watched on TV as my family’s property burned to the ground, so I know how the owner may be feeling.

388 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:53:02pm

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

That’s what I’m worried about. Lets hope they come to their senses after this is over.

I’m more worried about the anti-government prepper and survivalist imbeciles than I am the dipshits who think that Dorner is a martyr to The Man.

389 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:53:30pm

Because crazy people have never place accelerants in or around a building before. Just speculating. Of course.

390 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:54:22pm

re: #350 Killgore Trout

It’s inevitable. We all know where this is headed and what some people are going to believe. This is all as predictable as the sunrise.

I know what you’re thinking. Better keep mum about it tonight. ;)

391 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:55:17pm

re: #389 Gus

Because crazy people have never place accelerants in or around a building fire before. Just speculating. Of course.

Hell’s bells, some of us do that on purpose.

392 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:55:32pm

They went all Waco on his ass.

393 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:56:05pm

Some people will probably compare the LAPD to the IDF any minute now over in Twitter nut land.

394 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:57:30pm

re: #391 Ghost of a Dopefish

Hell’s bells, some of us do that on purpose.

Nah. It’s all the cops fault. I can tell because my magic moon ball tells me so.

//

395 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:58:43pm

re: #394 Gus

Nah. It’s all the cops fault. I can tell because my magic moon balls tells me so.

//

Cover them up before they freeze.

396 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:59:07pm

Ok, I confess.
I fired a laser at the cabin.

397 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:59:20pm

re: #367 darthstar

The only evidence they need are his teeth.

Given the LAPD’s recent track record of identifying suspects (or suspicious vehicles) is “kill the guy and hope we got the right one” a truly acceptable course of action?

Let me be clear. I want Dorner apprehended and made to face the criminal acts he’s committed, alive if at all possible.

398 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:59:38pm

Tear gas is all about taking a man alive. Force him out. If he is willing. if he is not, the fire will force his hand one way or another. We can see our police tried every way to take him alive. In the end it may well be suicide by cop. Too bad this bastard had to take so many first.

399 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 4:59:38pm

re: #395 b_sharp

Cover them up before they freeze.

Damn you! I had to fix that.

400 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:00:11pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

If he has supplies he could hold out for a while, unless SWAT is being authorized to level the cabin.

What you said, man.

401 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:00:12pm

NBC showing police briefing at the road block at the ranger station right on the corner of Hwy 38 and Bryant street at the edge of Yucaipa. My folks live about 4 miles from there. I used to drive around that corner every day to go to work up at Forest Falls. Freaky shit.

402 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:00:21pm

The cabin owner says there’s a basement there. Could he survive that fire?

403 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:01:05pm

re: #396 Varek Raith

Ok, I confess.
I fired a laser at the cabin.

My Dark Angels Nephilim fighter hosed it with a lascannon and a couple of Dark Talon missiles, just to be sure…

404 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:01:27pm

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

The cabin owner says there’s a basement there. Could he survive that fire?

Maybe, but doubt it.

405 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:01:54pm

I think this guy shot himself. Should have started with himself the fuck. I don’t care how wrong his firing might have been.

406 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:02:01pm

Very possible that he shot himself and set the cabin on fire.

407 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:02:22pm
408 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:02:28pm

re: #402 NJDhockeyfan

The cabin owner says there’s a basement there. Could he survive that fire?

Gut says no. Assuming an equally-sized basement, and knowing it takes a lot less CO2 to kill you than it takes O2 to keep you alive.

409 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:02:49pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

Very possible that he shot himself and set the cabin on fire.

Not necessarily in that order.

410 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:03:03pm

re: #366 Gus

Can you prove this?

48 holes in the back of another pick up truck that was the wrong make and model and occupied by two women suggests that the local LE may not be too picky about getting him alive.

411 RadicalModerate  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:03:18pm

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

They went all Waco on his ass.

The Branch Davidians self-immolated in the Waco standoff. The conspiracy theorists on that are completely off base.

412 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:03:28pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

Very possible that he shot himself and set the cabin on fire.

Reports are that the cabin had propane tanks

413 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:03:52pm

re: #410 celticdragon

48 holes in the back of another pick up truck that was the wrong make and model and occupied by two women suggests that the local LE may not be too picky about getting him alive.

So all cops are the same?

414 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:04:05pm

re: #401 celticdragon

NBC showing police briefing at the road block at the ranger station right on the corner of Hwy 38 and Bryant street at the edge of Yucaipa. My folks live about 4 miles from there. I used to drive around that corner every day to go to work up at Forest Falls. Freaky shit.

Very close to last weeks big bus crash.

415 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:04:54pm

Predicted wingnut conspiracy theory: Obama told the police to burn down the cabin so the standoff wouldn’t interfere with the SOTU speech. That’s just how narcissistic he is.

416 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:04:55pm

re: #412 Kragar (Antichrist )

Reports are that the cabin had propane tanks

One bullet aimed at a propane tank, the next aimed at himself.

417 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:05:03pm

re: #413 Gus

So all cops are the same?

Aaaand follow that up with another pick up truck getting shot up in a similar fashion about twenty minutes later and two blocks away (by another department, though)

That constitutes a pattern.

418 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:05:21pm

re: #415 Charles Johnson

Predicted wingnut conspiracy theory: Obama told the police to burn down the cabin so the standoff wouldn’t interfere with the SOTU speech. That’s just how narcissistic he is.

Saw that already.

419 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:05:48pm

Ah, geez… Four people dead now because this asshole couldn’t handle a layoff, not to mention the victims of skittish PD this past week.

This country makes my head hurt.

420 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:05:57pm

re: #416 Lidane

One bullet aimed at a propane tank, the next aimed at himself.

Really hard to actually blow up a propane tank with handgun rounds according to Mythbusters, although he is reported to have a .50 cal sniper rifle. That would do it.

421 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:02pm

re: #412 Kragar (Antichrist )

Reports are that the cabin had propane tanks

Well, there you go, then. Wouldn’t take much.

422 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:05pm

re: #411 RadicalModerate

The Branch Davidians self-immolated in the Waco standoff. The conspiracy theorists on that are completely off base.

There are a lot of reasons there are conspiracy theories about Waco, but an awful lot of them are because the ATF and FBI couldn’t have fucked it up — every step along the way — any more spectacularly if they had been actively trying.

423 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:33pm

re: #412 Kragar (Antichrist )

Reports are that the cabin had propane tanks

That would cause a huge explosion of it gets hot enough.

424 Bear  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:35pm

re: #416 Lidane

I doubt the propane tank was inside.

425 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:35pm

Cop killer apparently kills one more. Then the place where he holes up is now aflame. Well, if he was going for suicide by cop, he quite possibly has succeeded.

If his intention was to kill or injure more cops, he’s succeeded.

If he’s managed to get someone to buy into his manifesto, he’s probably succeeded on that front too by the looks of those twitter feeds.

But he’s still a cop killer, and no one should be condoning his actions. Justice wasn’t what he was sought despite his claims. It was revenge.

426 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:06:52pm

re: #419 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ah, geez… Four people dead now because this asshole couldn’t handle a layoff, not to mention the victims of skittish PD this past week.

This country human beings makes my head hurt.

my version

:0

427 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:07:29pm

re: #417 celticdragon

Aaaand follow that up with another pick up truck getting shot up in a similar fashion about twenty minutes later and two blocks away (by another department, though)

That constitutes a pattern.

This has been going on for some time now with the LAPD especially in the Latino and black communities. What has LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the LAPD police unions been doing about it?

428 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:07:38pm

re: #420 celticdragon

Really hard to actually blow up a propane tank with handgun rounds according to Mythbusters, although he is reported to have a .50 cal sniper rifle. That would do it.

Heh. I saw the same episode of Mythbusters.

I was thinking more along the lines of bullets in that firefight he had with the cops hitting the propane and then this guy taking himself out when the flames started.

429 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:08:14pm

re: #408 erik_t

Gut says no. Assuming an equally-sized basement, and knowing it takes a lot less CO2 to kill you than it takes O2 to keep you alive.

The basement might spare him the flames, but not the heat or the heavier-than air gases. It wouldn’t take too long for a basement to become an oven.

I hope this is done. I would rather have seen him tried, but I’ll settle for him…stopped. His complaints never justified his actions.

430 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:08:16pm

No need to invoke propane, in tanks or otherwise. Elevently million houses burn down every year without any help from propane.

431 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:08:23pm

re: #427 Gus

This has been going on for some time now with the LAPD especially in the Latino and black communities. What has LA Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the LAPD police unions been doing about it?

Very good question, I think.

432 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:08:34pm

re: #422 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Classic clusterfark.

433 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:10:14pm

re: #422 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

There are a lot of reasons there are conspiracy theories about Waco, but an awful lot of them are because the ATF and FBI couldn’t have fucked it up — every step along the way — any more spectacularly if they had been actively trying.

When you look in the acronym dictionary for FUBAR, it says: “See: Waco siege.”

434 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:10:46pm

Look, if he wanted to set the place aflame, all he had to do was let the propane run via the stove but without flame, so that if they tossed in the tear gas canisters, it could spark the gas into a conflagration that takes out the cabin.

If he went into the basement, he’d probably die of asphyxiation before the flames killed him.

435 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:11:59pm

re: #426 FemNaziBitch

my version

:0

Sorry, I spent all day helping co-workers field calls from people who suddenly conjured up the money to pay their car bills when the repo truck showed up in their yard, or who wanted to “make payment arrangements” after not having paid for three years, or whatever… Got texted by the girlfriend at work re: a fugitive who broke away from his handlers not too far from here today, turns out he stole a truck that apparently had a handgun in it (!), local schools were on lockdown… Then this guy kills again… Also spent too long dicking around with Chase automated customer “service” (term used loosely) this evening trying to close my HSA that I never use…

Stressful day, but I’m not dead, nor am I holed up in a cabin with several murders to my name. But I am a cranky monkey and disappointed in how things are going.

And, you know, my girlfriend (who is in a Ch13 Bankruptcy which she filed to give up her home, and who is a single mom) was laid off two weeks for basically no reason at all, yet she isn’t murdering anybody because her life got fucked up by The Man.

Funny how having a penis seems to correlate with “crazy” these days. Just a thought.

436 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:12:36pm

KTLA 5 now showing the scene - that cabin is totally gone.

437 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:13:13pm

Just the chimney still standing.

438 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:13:56pm

I am honestly aghast that he allowed himself to get stuck in a corner this way. Big Bear has very few roads in and out. You can go down the front to San Bernardino. You can go via Rim of The World hwy to Blue Jay and Fawnskin by Lake Arrowhead and then go down. You can go down 38 to Yucaipa and then Redlands, or you can go down the back to Apple Valley and the high desert via one paved road or a graded dirt road that may not be passable in the winter. That means he had 4 real ways in and out, and 5 at the very best. He was never going to get out of the mountains.

439 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:14:05pm

re: #406 Charles Johnson

Very possible that he shot himself and set the cabin on fire.

Perhaps he saw he is surrounded and the tear gas was the last straw. If he killed himself the tear gas is very likely to start a fire from carpet, drapes or a wood floor.

This is a good time to remind the critics of the police that officers lost their lives via ambush or an arrest attempt. I’d like the critics to remember who puts their lives at risk and who just drives a keyboard to talk about it.

440 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:14:39pm

According to a reporter on CNN he tried to escape out the back door as the fire started but was ‘pushed back’ inside. Not sure what pushed back means.

441 Mattand  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:15:19pm

re: #425 lawhawk

Cop killer apparently kills one more. Then the place where he holes up is now aflame. Well, if he was going for suicide by cop, he quite possibly has succeeded.

If his intention was to kill or injure more cops, he’s succeeded.

If he’s managed to get someone to buy into his manifesto, he’s probably succeeded on that front too by the looks of those twitter feeds.

But he’s still a cop killer, and no one should be condoning his actions. Justice wasn’t what he was sought despite his claims. It was revenge.

Not just a cop killer, but a cold blooded murderer. He shot an innocent woman and her fiancé to death simply because she was related to a police captain on his bullshit enemies list.

I’m not a death penalty guy, but if Dorner is somehow taken alive, I will not cry one tear if he gets the needle.

442 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:15:30pm

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

According to a reporter on CNN he tried to escape out the back door as the fire started but was ‘pushed back’ inside. Not sure what pushed back means.

By a solid wall of lead, I’d imagine.

443 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:15:42pm

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

According to a reporter on CNN he tried to escape out the back door as the fire started but was ‘pushed back’ inside. Not sure what pushed back means.

I can’t think of a plausible interpretation other than by a hailstorm of incoming bullets.

444 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:15:43pm

From CNN:

[Updated at 7:57 p.m. ET] The cabin is indeed on fire, but authorities aren’t sure whether Dorner is inside, a San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department spokeswoman said.

Authorities also aren’t certain that Dorner was the person they chased to the cabin and fatally shot a sheriff’s deputy, but that the suspect has been described as looking like Dorner and “we have reason to believe that it is him,” she said.

She added that she’s not aware of any hostages at the cabin.

Seriously? Now I’m not sure it’s him…

445 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:15:57pm

So he’s dead or he escaped.

446 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:16:05pm

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

According to a reporter on CNN he tried to escape out the back door as the fire started but was ‘pushed back’ inside. Not sure what pushed back means.

i.e., pushed back by a hail of bullets aimed at his direction

447 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:21pm

I’m surprised they didn’t just machine-gun the whole house, honestly. I figured he wasn’t coming out of there without a lot of .223-sized holes in his important parts. I think he probably figured the same.

448 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:23pm

re: #439 Political Atheist

this is a good time to remind the critics of the police that officers lost their lives via ambush or an arrest attempt. I’d like the critics to remember who puts their lives at risk and who just drives a keyboard to talk about it.

Also a good time to mention that those two women are real fucking lucky to have survived being shot at by 6 officers who expended 100 plus rounds in a neighborhood without actually bothering to find out who they were shooting at in the first place…in violation of every procedure you can think of. It easily could have been two dead women in the truck and a pile of excuses from officers who somehow thought they would be the heroes who brought down Dorner.

449 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:40pm

re: #444 efuseakay

From CNN:

Seriously? Now I’m not sure it’s him…

That’s saying it’s him but they can’t confirm it yet.

450 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:42pm
451 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:44pm

re: #443 erik_t

I can’t think of a plausible interpretation other than by a hailstorm of incoming bullets.

I’m going to go with: suspect news stories are getting conflated, as it was earlier reported that he tried to escape out the back and was pushed back well before the fire (when the second deputy was injured) and having watched the live coverage this afternoon… yeah.

452 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:17:59pm

re: #442 Ghost of a Dopefish

By a solid wall of lead, I’d imagine.

That is what I was thinking.

453 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:18:53pm

re: #435 Pawn of the Oppressor

Sorry, I spent all day helping co-workers field calls from people who suddenly conjured up the money to pay their car bills when the repo truck showed up in their yard, or who wanted to “make payment arrangements” after not having paid for three years, or whatever… Got texted by the girlfriend at work re: a fugitive who broke away from his handlers not too far from here today, turns out he stole a truck that apparently had a handgun in it (!), local schools were on lockdown… Then this guy kills again… Also spent too long dicking around with Chase automated customer “service” (term used loosely) this evening trying to close my HSA that I never use…

Stressful day, but I’m not dead, nor am I holed up in a cabin with several murders to my name. But I am a cranky monkey and disappointed in how things are going.

And, you know, my girlfriend (who is in a Ch13 Bankruptcy which she filed to give up her home, and who is a single mom) was laid off two weeks for basically no reason at all, yet she isn’t murdering anybody because her life got fucked up by The Man.

Funny how having a penis seems to correlate with “crazy” these days. Just a thought.

{{{{Pawn}}}}}

454 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:18:59pm

re: #446 Lidane

i.e., pushed back by a hail of bullets aimed at his direction

So most likely, he was holed up, a fire started in the cabin (from what to be determined), he tried to escape but ran into a wall of bullets, went back into the cabin, said, “Fuck it”, ate a bullet and that’s that.

455 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:19:44pm

re: #447 Pawn of the Oppressor

I’m surprised they didn’t just machine-gun the whole house, honestly. I figured he wasn’t coming out of there without a lot of .223-sized holes in his important parts. I think he probably figured the same.

Any bullet that will reliably penetrate one wall cannot be trusted not to overpenetrate and go somewhere else. Thank goodness, police (even the LAPD) are generally more responsible with their bullets than those they oppose.

456 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:19:53pm

re: #454 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

So most likely, he was holed up, a fire started in the cabin (from what to be determined), he tried to escape but ran into a wall of bullets, went back into the cabin, said, “Fuck it”, ate a bullet and that’s that.

I think you are right.

457 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:20:46pm

Speculation is fun, but don’t treat it as being accurate.

458 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:20:57pm

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

I think you are right.

Except reports from the scene indicate that only one shot was fired after the fire started.

More likely to me: people repeat stories and get wires crossed.

459 Mattand  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:21:00pm

re: #448 celticdragon

Also a good time to mention that those two women are real fucking lucky to have survived being shot at by 6 officers who expended 100 plus rounds in a neighborhood without actually bothering to find out who they were shooting at in the first place…in violation of every procedure you can think of. It easily could have been two dead women in the truck and a pile of excuses from officers who somehow thought they would be the heroes who brought down Dorner.

This. I can’t imagine what the LAPD are going through right now, with a highly skilled ex-cop literally gunning for anyone wearing an uniform, as well as their families.

However, nearly killing a middle aged woman and her elderly mother only exacerbates the already shaky rep the LAPD has with the minority community.

460 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:21:18pm

re: #422 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

There are a lot of reasons there are conspiracy theories about Waco, but an awful lot of them are because the ATF and FBI couldn’t have fucked it up — every step along the way — any more spectacularly if they had been actively trying.

How so? You think they should have made the Wacos sane?

461 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:21:44pm

re: #454 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

So most likely, he was holed up, a fire started in the cabin (from what to be determined), he tried to escape but ran into a wall of bullets, went back into the cabin, said, “Fuck it”, ate a bullet and that’s that.

That would make sense, but until we know what caused the fire and until the full police reports come out, there’s no way to tell for sure.

462 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:22:23pm
463 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:22:56pm

re: #458 klys

Except reports from the scene indicate that only one shot was fired after the fire started.

More likely to me: people repeat stories and get wires crossed.

The details will become clear in time. Light speculation is bound to occur, but let’s not let it get out of hand.

464 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:08pm

re: #458 klys

Except reports from the scene indicate that only one shot was fired after the fire started.

More likely to me: people repeat stories and get wires crossed.

True enough. That one shot may have been Dorner offing himself; maybe he realized he had no way out.

465 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:10pm

re: #448 celticdragon

Also a good time to mention that those two women are real fucking lucky to have survived being shot at by 6 officers who expended 100 plus rounds in a neighborhood without actually bothering to find out who they were shooting at in the first place…in violation of every procedure you can think of. It easily could have been two dead women in the truck and a pile of excuses from officers who somehow thought they would be the heroes who brought down Dorner.

Yup. The Mother of all Lawsuits is in the wings there. And it’s just proof for me that police and “armed guards” aren’t a magic solution. Even guys who we hypothetically trust to carry serious firepower with their badges, didn’t kill their targets after punching all kinds of holes in that truck (I saw those photos and if I didn’t intellectually know how weird things can get when bullets start flying, I’d have thought for sure that no survival was possible). That particular fuster-cluck would be worth a week of news alone if it wasn’t for the bigger related story.

466 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:24pm

re: #448 celticdragon

It easily could have been two dead women in the truck and a pile of excuses from officers who somehow thought they would be the heroes who brought down Dorner.

Why we should assume they were in some hero mode instead of shooting to stop a stone cold killer (if by mistake) completely escapes me. I don’t think they pulled the trigger thinking hero, or reward or promotion or accolades. I think what was in their heads was to stop a killer. Sadly they were wrong. Tragic, wrong, but not craven.

467 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:43pm

Why the downding, Stanley? I really hope you are not one of the types who blames the women for getting shot at by incompetent officers. I see that bullshit over at Policeone, and some of it has real nasty racial overtones about gold digging bitches from the bario getting lucky.

Tell me you are not doing that kind of bullshit.

468 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:51pm

re: #462 FemNaziBitch

Today is Darwin Day,

Who knew?

I’m learning a lot today about people. Sadly it involves a lot of head shaking and unfollowing.

469 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:23:59pm

Media was saying that he fired 500 rounds at officers while holed up in that cabin. Also that he got there after jacking a truck while running out of the woods.

500 rounds means he would have had at least 20 high-capacity clips, carrying all that and running around in the woods. Must have been festooned with bandoliers like Yosemite Sam.

470 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:24:21pm

re: #459 Mattand

This. I can’t imagine what the LAPD are going through right now, with a highly skilled ex-cop literally gunning for anyone wearing an uniform, as well as their families.

However, nearly killing a middle aged woman and her elderly mother only exacerbates the already shaky rep the LAPD has with the minority community.

FTFY.

471 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:24:38pm

re: #461 Lidane

That would make sense, but until we know what caused the fire and until the full police reports come out, there’s no way to tell for sure.

I was just speculating. It seems rather logical to me that he would kill himself under the circumstances.

472 William of Orange  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:25:00pm

LA times reporting Dorner is dead!

(Saw that flash by on the chyron at CNBC)

473 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:25:27pm

re: #463 Ghost of a Dopefish

The details will become clear in time. Light speculation is bound to occur, but let’s not let it get out of hand.

Yep. I listened to the scanner feed until the site went down and have multiple live streams going, but the biggest takeaway has been that the news organizations have kind of lousy filters when it comes to reporting things that haven’t been verified well.

474 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:25:36pm

Rush Hold (NJ-12) supporting Darwin in Congress.

HIs article on HuffPost

In light of the frequent criticism that science, and especially evolution, are inhumane, materialistic and profane, it is worth noting that the work of Darwin was not simply about finches or apes. He was especially motivated to understand and appreciate the almost incredible diversity in the family of man. Throughout his life he sought to relate this appreciation and understanding of human diversity to God’s plan for the world. Maybe it is not surprising that Darwin would become a central symbol in the human struggle to find religious meaning in life, but there is an irony that his work would become Exhibit A and Darwin himself the bête noir for those people who hope to find meaning by rejecting science and scientific thought.

475 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:26:12pm

re: #472 William of Orange

LA times reporting Dorner is dead!

They ID’d his teeth already?

476 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:26:24pm

re: #471 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

It seems rather logical to me that he would kill himself under the circumstances.

I’m pretty sure he’s known all along he wasn’t going to come out of this alive.

There just wasn’t any other realistic option.

477 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:26:33pm

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

Media was saying that he fired 500 rounds at officers while holed up in that cabin. Also that he got there after jacking a truck while running out of the woods.

500 rounds means he would have had at least 20 high-capacity clips, carrying all that and running around in the woods. Must have been festooned with bandoliers like Yosemite Sam.

That is an insane amount of ammo to carry.

478 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:26:56pm

re: #475 Vicious Babushka

They ID’d his teeth already?

Science!

479 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:26:58pm

re: #473 klys

Yep. I listened to the scanner feed until the site went down and have multiple live streams going, but the biggest takeaway has been that the news organizations have kind of lousy filters when it comes to reporting things that haven’t been verified well.

We here at LGF have more cause than most to know this. We’re the fact-checkers the media wish they had.

480 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:27:13pm

re: #477 celticdragon

That is an insane amount of ammo to carry.

Or maybe he didn’t fire 500 rounds out of the cabin.

481 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:27:22pm

re: #469 Vicious Babushka

Media was saying that he fired 500 rounds at officers while holed up in that cabin. Also that he got there after jacking a truck while running out of the woods.

500 rounds means he would have had at least 20 high-capacity clips, carrying all that and running around in the woods. Must have been festooned with bandoliers like Yosemite Sam.

He’d have to have been running from window to window, shooting for minutes at a time. It would have been a warzone, and plainly visible (and audible) from helicopters or news trucks.

I think maybe dividing that number by ten, or even 100, would be more accurate. Let’s just say I’m *extremely* skeptical of those reports…

482 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:27:27pm

re: #474 FemNaziBitch

I am proud to say that’s the rep from where I grew up! I think I even got to vote for him once or twice, before I changed residence to CA.

He came to my sister’s Gold Award day where she was promoting science to young girls.

483 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:00pm

re: #479 Ghost of a Dopefish

We here at LGF have more cause than most to know this. We’re the fact-checkers the media wish they had.

I suspect a fair number of us are also news junkies. >.>

484 Mattand  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:11pm

re: #472 William of Orange

LA times reporting Dorner is dead!

Where are you seeing that? I’ve been on their site for the last 10 minutes. Nothing’s come up.

485 William of Orange  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:16pm

re: #475 Vicious Babushka

They ID’d his teeth already?

Well, the do report a lot better than Foxnews….

486 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:17pm

LA Times reporter now on CNN talking about previous cases in which wooden structures have caught fire from tear gas grenades.

487 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:26pm

re: #476 Lidane

I’m pretty sure he’s known all along he wasn’t going to come out of this alive.

There just wasn’t any other realistic option.

What else could he do under the circumstances, given his particular frame of mind? His ‘manifesto’ clearly implied he wasn’t going to be taken alive. So one way or another, either at the hands of the police or by his own, he considered himself a dead man walking.

488 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:27pm

YES IT’S RACIST & YOU ARE A DUMBASS RACIST.

489 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:52pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

LA Times reporter now on CNN talking about previous cases in which wooden structures have caught fire from tear gas grenades.

What to talk about when you have nothing real to report!

490 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:28:59pm

re: #486 Charles Johnson

LA Times reporter now on CNN talking about previous cases in which wooden structures have caught fire from tear gas grenades.

Did I read that it was a brick structure, or just see the color and internally reinforce my initial gut feeling?

I thought I’d read it was brick.

491 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:29:00pm

re: #478 Gus

Science!

[Link: xkcd.com…]

492 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:29:29pm

Rubio to deliver the rebuttal in both English and Spanish.

Yeah, that will help the GOP with minority voters. Good strategy, Mr. Rubio!

/

493 William of Orange  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:29:34pm

re: #484 Mattand

Where are you seeing that? I’ve been on their site for the last 10 minutes. Nothing’s come up.

I don’t know which one you’re looking at, I saw that on CNBC over here in the Netherlands. (Yeah, I should have been in bed by now, it’s 2:30AM over here…)

494 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:30:22pm

re: #490 erik_t

Did I read that it was a brick structure, or just see the color and internally reinforce my initial gut feeling?

I thought I’d read it was brick.

We don’t really do brick buildings in southern California.

495 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:30:23pm

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

Rubio to deliver the rebuttal in both English and Spanish.

Yeah, that will help the GOP with minority voters. Good strategy, Mr. Rubio!

/

Read the transcript of his speech on TPM earlier. The short version: “The GOP has nothin’.”

496 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:30:35pm

re: #492 FemNaziBitch

Rubio to deliver the rebuttal in both English and Spanish.

Yeah, that will help the GOP with minority voters. Good strategy, Mr. Rubio!

Thus forcing him to do one of them first, rather than having the same canned speech going out simultaneously in both languages from two different speakers.

Smrt, GOP. Smrt.

497 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:30:49pm

re: #491 celticdragon

[Link: xkcd.com…]

It forgot the running 5 more samples to confirm the initial conclusion and then the 6+ month wait for publication.

498 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:30:59pm

A better picture of what happened is emerging now - he crashed that truck into a ditch, then attempted to bail out and run into the woods, but was driven back by that hail of bullets I heard the audio recording of, earlier. Fleeing the police, he holed up in the cabin, and may have been wounded.

499 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:31:00pm

re: #494 Shvaughn

We don’t really do brick buildings in southern California.

Oh. Christ, I knew that. My thinkmeat isn’t working so well today.

500 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:31:10pm

re: #494 Shvaughn

We don’t really do brick buildings in southern California.

Earthquakes and bricks do not play well together.

501 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:31:35pm

re: #494 Shvaughn

We don’t really do brick buildings in southern California.

I can’t recall seeing a brick structure in the Big Bear area, though I was only a wee little kid at the time. My parents had a cabin close to Big Bear Lake.

Good times. They sold it in the late 70s.

502 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:32:27pm

re: #496 erik_t

Thus forcing him to do one of them first, rather than having the same canned speech going out simultaneously in both languages from two different speakers.

Smrt, GOP. Smrt.

Or they’ll have him speaking in Spanish with English subtitles.

503 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:32:28pm

re: #490 erik_t

Did I read that it was a brick structure, or just see the color and internally reinforce my initial gut feeling?

I thought I’d read it was brick.

Check out the picture above - I’m pretty sure it was wood.

504 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:32:33pm

re: #497 klys

It forgot the running 5 more samples to confirm the initial conclusion and then the 6+ month wait for publication.

Not to mention peer reviews and edits…

505 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:32:40pm

re: #500 celticdragon

Earthquakes and bricks do not play well together.

Not like I grew up in Washington or anything…

(rolls eyes @ self)

506 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:33:04pm

re: #503 Charles Johnson

Check out the picture above - I’m pretty sure it was wood.

Everything up in Angelus Oaks is wood. I have been there dozens of times.

507 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:33:26pm

re: #502 Targetpractice

Or they’ll have him speaking in Spanish with English subtitles.

Either way, the “Make English the National Language League” won’t be happy.

508 erik_t  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:34:05pm

re: #507 FemNaziBitch

Either way, the “Make English the National Language League” won’t be happy.

Every possibility makes someone absolutely spitting mad. I am gleeful.

509 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:34:25pm

re: #498 Charles Johnson

A better picture of what happened is emerging now - he crashed that truck into a ditch, then attempted to bail out and run into the woods, but was driven back by that hail of bullets I heard the audio recording of, earlier. Fleeing the police, he holed up in the cabin, and may have been wounded.

I didn’t listen to the recording as I doubt the Mrs. Fish would want to hear it, but I can imagine that had to be some firefight. The guy is TRYING to go out in a blaze of glory and he turns tail and runs.

510 Mattand  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:35:21pm

re: #493 William of Orange

I don’t know which one you’re looking at, I saw that on CNBC over here in the Netherlands. (Yeah, I should have been in bed by now, it’s 2:30AM over here…)

I’m on latimes.com and CNN. I’m sure it’s pretty hard to get a straight story right now.

511 William of Orange  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:35:24pm

re: #501 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I can’t recall seeing a brick structure in the Big Bear area, though I was only a wee little kid at the time. My parents had a cabin close to Big Bear Lake.

Good times. They sold it in the late 70s.

You mean that “good times” were for sale in the 70s? Must have run out of that stuff…

512 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:35:34pm

Rubio’s Spanish rebuttal will be an encoded secret message to his Reconquista minions to begin the attack and overthrow white America.

VIVA AZTLAN!

//

513 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:35:55pm

re: #504 celticdragon

Not to mention peer reviews and edits…

I’m in the process of getting my fourth paper through my advisor’s review and edit process so I can submit to a journal for their review and edit process.

On the bright side, I am 3/3 on acceptances so far.

514 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:37:08pm
515 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:37:27pm

re: #511 William of Orange

You mean that “good times” were for sale in the 70s? Must have run out of that stuff…

Yes, they did run out of it, sad to say.

I meant my memories of the area from my childhood. It was nice. Growing up in the 70s in L.A. wasn’t so bad, really.

516 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:38:05pm

re: #512 Shvaughn

Rubio’s Spanish rebuttal will be an encoded secret message to his Reconquista minions to begin the attack and overthrow white America.

VIVA AZTLAN!

//

If it looks anything like this, I am all for it!

517 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:38:07pm

My congresscritter is not attending the SOTU.

Rep. Steve Pearce, the delegation’s only Republican, will not attend the State of the Union speech because he will be in Roswell for a rally in opposition of the Obama administration’s listing of the lesser prairie chicken under the Endangered Species Act. A public hearing on the issue will follow the rally this afternoon.

“The Obama Administration’s Fish and Wildlife Service scheduled the public hearing on the lesser prairie chicken for the same day as the President’s State of the Union address,” according to a news release from Pearce’s office. “Pearce has chosen to attend the public hearing, in order to stand with his constituents in defense of New Mexico’s jobs, communities, and education funding oil and gas interests.”

518 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:38:25pm

re: #511 William of Orange

You mean that “good times” were for sale in the 70s? Must have run out of that stuff…

Easy credit rip-offs…

519 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:38:33pm

It is hysterical to hear the news organizations try to blame their willingness to report incorrect information on Twitter.

520 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:39:03pm

re: #513 klys

I’m in the process of getting my fourth paper through my advisor’s review and edit process so I can submit to a journal for their review and edit process.

On the bright side, I am 3/3 on acceptances so far.

Hell, I still have to get into grad school. One of my friends is just about done with peer review on her first published paper, though. :)

521 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:39:03pm

re: #515 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Yes, they did run out of it, sad to say.

I meant my memories of the area from my childhood. It was nice. Growing up in the 70s in L.A. wasn’t so bad, really.

Heh. Maybe we knew each other.

522 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:39:44pm

re: #520 celticdragon

Hell, I still have to get into grad school. One of my friends is just about done with peer review on her first published paper, though. :)

RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. RUN. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200. RUN.

Ahem. Year 6.

523 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:39:51pm

re: #519 klys

It is hysterical to hear the news organizations try to blame their willingness to report incorrect information on Twitter.

News organizations have a responsibility to double- and triple-check their sources and information before reporting it, because anything they say can and will be repeated endlessly on teh Internets.

524 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:40:12pm

re: #517 wrenchwench

My congresscritter is not attending the SOTU.

At Area 51?

525 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:40:20pm

re: #523 Ghost of a Dopefish

News organizations have a responsibility to double- and triple-check their sources and information before reporting it, because anything they say can and will be repeated endlessly on teh Internets.

Agreed. If only they would.

526 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:41:14pm

re: #523 Ghost of a Dopefish

News organizations have a responsibility to double- and triple-check their sources and information before reporting it, because anything they say can and will be repeated endlessly on teh Internets.

Have a responsibility…or rather had, before news became entertainment and the race to be the first to report on new information became the name of the game.

527 thedopefishlives  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:41:43pm

re: #526 Targetpractice

Have a responsibility…or rather had, before news became entertainment and the race to be the first to report on new information became the name of the game.

No, they still have the responsibility. They just refuse to acknowledge it.

528 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:41:53pm

I have to admit. That sure was a cluster fuck. How many cops did they send in for this?

529 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:42:00pm

re: #390 Gus

I know what you’re thinking. Better keep mum about it tonight. ;)

Yeah, there’s not much to be gained anyways. This script writes itself.

530 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:42:37pm

re: #524 FemNaziBitch

At Area 51?

No, that’s Steven Chu.

531 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:42:42pm

re: #518 Shvaughn

Easy credit rip-offs…

[Embedded content]

Huh. Jay Leno on “Good Times”

532 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:43:28pm

re: #522 klys

RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. RUN. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200. RUN.

Ahem. Year 6.

I spent 6 years in university and all I got was a stupid t-shirt.

533 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:43:48pm

re: #528 Gus

I have to admit. That sure was a cluster fuck. How many cops did they send in for this?

I’m not sure LAPD ever got there. I think it was all San Bernardino Sheriff’s Dept.

534 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:44:54pm

re: #533 wrenchwench

I’m not sure LAPD ever got there. I think it was all San Bernardino Sheriff’s Dept.

That’s what I was thinking.

535 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:44:55pm

re: #532 b_sharp

I spent 6 years in university and all I got was a stupid t-shirt.

I will get my third piece of paper still unrelated to what I think I want to do long term. In part because I have changed what I think I want to do long term. But.

If we start from the beginning of higher education I am on year 10. The prospective grad student out to visit yesterday graduated high school in 2009. I wanted to cry.

536 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:45:04pm

NBC is saying law enforcement reporting a single shot from the cabin as it caught fire.

537 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:45:38pm

re: #515 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Yes, they did run out of it, sad to say.

I meant my memories of the area from my childhood. It was nice. Growing up in the 70s in L.A. wasn’t so bad, really.

Southern California in the 70’s was pretty damned awesome. Then, the LAPD and Daryl Gates decided to have Apocalypse Now…but New and Improved Urban Setting! and big chunks of LA became absolute no-go areas if you were black or Latino. (Like the beaches, most of the malls, lots of movie theaters. There are numerous incidents concerning overt racial profiling and ridiculous police abuses around that time. African American church youth groups getting jacked and searched at public venues…even an African American off duty cop and some youths he took with him to an upscale shopping center could not escape being put on the ground and arrested. He was actually charged with some nonsense for having the nerve to go where his kind wasn’t wanted and then not shutting up about it.)

538 Charles Johnson  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:45:40pm

Our State of the Union thread #1 will open up at 5:55 pm Pacific time, with live video from the White House via YouTube, enhanced with graphs and illustrations to accompany the speech.

539 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:47:08pm

re: #521 Political Atheist

Heh. Maybe we knew each other.

Well, I went to Lincoln Elementary (later Arroyo Seco) in South Pasadena. The parents and I went up to Oregon in 1981.

I still recall the 3rd stage smog alerts. I can still remember the taste of smog in the back of my throat. Disco was king. I remember seeing my first shark off the Santa Monica Pier.

Once a year, in February, my parents and I made the trek to South Central, to see my dad’s accountant to do the taxes. My dad knew the guy from way back when. I used to play with his son while all that jazz was being done.

540 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:47:38pm

re: #538 Charles Johnson

Our State of the Union thread #1 will open up at 5:55 pm Pacific time, with live video from the White House via YouTube, enhanced with graphs and illustrations to accompany the speech.

I better get home where I can see that!

Later, lizards.

541 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:48:07pm

They just gave the OK for the Fire Dept to go in.

542 Lidane  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:48:34pm

re: #522 klys

RUN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION. RUN. DO NOT PASS GO. DO NOT COLLECT $200. RUN.

Ahem. Year 6.

Which is precisely why I’ve stopped at a Master’s degree. I couldn’t imagine the process of getting a PhD.

543 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:48:38pm

re: #535 klys

I will get my third piece of paper still unrelated to what I think I want to do long term. In part because I have changed what I think I want to do long term. But.

If we start from the beginning of higher education I am on year 10. The prospective grad student out to visit yesterday graduated high school in 2009. I wanted to cry.

I got two pieces of paper, but I made paper airplanes of them.

544 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:48:47pm

re: #539 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Well, I went to Lincoln Elementary (later Arroyo Seco) in South Pasadena. The parents and I went up to Oregon in 1981.

I grew up in Alhambra, so not far from you. And probably close to the same age.

545 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:48:50pm

Gonna go finish some dinner and paint some warhammer scenery.

546 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:49:22pm

re: #537 celticdragon

Southern California in the 70’s was pretty damned awesome. Then, the LAPD and Daryl Gates decided to have Apocalypse Now…but New and Improved Urban Setting! and big chunks of LA became absolute no-go areas if you were black or Latino. (Like the beaches, most of the malls, lots of movie theaters. There are numerous incidents concerning overt racial profiling and ridiculous police abuses around that time. African American church youth groups getting jacked and searched at public venues…even an African American off duty cop and some youths he took with him to an upscale shopping center could not escape being put on the ground and arrested. He was actually charged with some nonsense for having the nerve to go where his kind wasn’t wanted and then not shutting up about it.)

My dad’s opinion of Gates was pretty low. Called him a “thug with a badge”.

547 Achilles Tang  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:49:57pm

OT, but if anyone is curious about what kind of assholes send them spam, this anti-Semite German takes the cake.

domain: cb3rob.net
owner: CB3ROB Hostmaster
organization: CB3ROB Ltd. & Co. KG
email: hostmaster@cb3rob.net
address: Koloniestrasse 34
address: -
city: BERLIN
postal-code: D-13359
country: DE
phone: +31.878747479

Disclaimer: Even this data, allowed by ineffectual ICANN, may be fake.

548 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:50:08pm

re: #545 celticdragon

Gonna go finish some dinner and paint some warhammer scenery.

Getting my stuff together for a swap meet. Going to be selling off 3 of my armies.

549 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:50:46pm

My head still hurts.

I’m going to get off-line.

Have a great evening all!

550 klys  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:50:49pm

re: #543 b_sharp

I got two pieces of paper, but I made paper airplanes of them.

I approve.

551 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:51:44pm

NBC saying cops were taking down the wall with a bearcat when a fire started inside and they heard the shot.

552 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:52:54pm

re: #544 Shvaughn

I grew up in Alhambra, so not far from you. And probably close to the same age.

I remember going to “The Hat”, one of my dad’s favorite eateries in Alhambra, on Garfield if I remember correctly. He loved the pastrami there. Also, “Phillipe’s”, which I introduced my ex-wife to one time, and of course, “Tommy’s”.

553 Gus  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:54:12pm

OK. This is pathetic.

554 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:54:24pm

re: #552 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I remember going to “The Hat”, one of my dad’s favorite eateries in Alhambra, on Garfield if I remember correctly. He loved the pastrami there. Also, “Phillipe’s”, which I introduced my ex-wife to one time, and of course, “Tommy’s”.

I love all those places. The Hat has the best pastrami. Philippe’s is nice, I ate there last week when I picked up a family member from the train station.

555 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:56:19pm

re: #546 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

My dad’s opinion of Gates was pretty low. Called him a “thug with a badge”.

Yep. Read up about the things that happened during Operation Hammer, and you start to understand what actually led to the Rodney King riots. Apartment buildings utterly destroyed by police searches with orders to “rip the carpets up and the wallboard down”, toilets and sinks smashed apart by sledgehammers, clothing piled up and doused with raw bleach, police grafitti left on the remaining walls, doors torn off the hinges and so on. In at least one case, the Red Cross intervened to give emergency shelter to families whose dwellings were literally made uninhabitable by LAPD searches. This is how they got the reputation as a gang with badges at that time, and why they still are hated widely today.There are people in LA actually cheering for a murderous paranoiac, and all because they despise the LAPD as an occupying army. Sad as hell.

556 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:56:54pm

re: #548 Kragar (Antichrist )

Getting my stuff together for a swap meet. Going to be selling off 3 of my armies.

Which armies?

557 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:57:20pm

re: #554 Shvaughn

I love all those places. The Hat has the best pastrami. Philippe’s is nice, I ate there last week when I picked up a family member from the train station.

Nice. Philippe’s is great. Of course, there’s In-N-Out Burger, and that was my ex-wife’s favorite fast food joint that she tried. She’s Czech; all we have here is McDonald’s, Pizza Hut, and KFC. The occasional Burger King.

But nothing like what’s in So Cal.

558 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:58:11pm

re: #556 celticdragon

Which armies?

Selling off Cadians, Tau, and Tyranids. Keeping Space Wolves, Night Lords and standard Marines.

559 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 5:59:03pm

re: #558 Kragar (Antichrist )

Selling off Cadians, Tau, and Tyranids. Keeping Space Wolves, Night Lords and standard Marines.

I don’t want to violate any rules here, but I might be interested in some Cadian stuff.

560 celticdragon  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:00:14pm

re: #558 Kragar (Antichrist )

Selling off Cadians, Tau, and Tyranids. Keeping Space Wolves, Night Lords and standard Marines.

Anyways, I gotta run, but let me know if possible. :)

561 Stanley Sea  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:00:20pm

Looking at those with green ribbons (Sandy Hook) & those without.

562 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:02:24pm

re: #559 celticdragon

I don’t want to violate any rules here, but I might be interested in some Cadian stuff.

I think you’ve got my email. Shoot me a message. I can shoot you a list of what I got. A few command sections, 2 platoons of infantry with weapon teams, a few squads of Storm Troops/Grenadiers, Chimeras, 2 Valkyrie,a few Leman Russ with turret swaps, 9 sentinels, a Baneblade, plus miscellaneous stuff. All painted in Urban camouflage.

563 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:03:52pm

re: #539 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

I’m a valley guy. Grew up in Woodland Hills, worked downtown all my adult life. I love my hometown. LA is the best.

564 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:04:08pm

So…
Did they get him???

565 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:04:59pm

re: #555 celticdragon

Yep. Read up about the things that happened during Operation Hammer, and you start to understand what actually led to the Rodney King riots. Apartment buildings utterly destroyed by police searches with orders to “rip the carpets up and the wallboard down”, toilets and sinks smashed apart by sledgehammers, clothing piled up and doused with raw bleach, police grafitti left on the remaining walls, doors torn off the hinges and so on. In at least one case, the Red Cross intervened to give emergency shelter to families whose dwelling were literally made uninhabitable by LAPD searches. This is how they got the reputation as a gang with badges at that time, and why they still are hated widely today.There are people in LA actually cheering for a murderous paranoiac, and all because they despise the LAPD as an occupying army. Sad as hell.

Done by the C.R.A.S.H. unit, I read.

Wasn’t the TV series “The Shield” based on that and the Rampart Scandal?

Also, I think the movie “Training Day” drew some inspiration from it as well.

566 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:07:58pm

re: #563 Political Atheist

I’m a valley guy. Grew up in Woodland Hills, worked downtown all my adult life. I love my hometown. LA is the best.

I love L.A. as well. One of my students had a chance to visit L.A. in 2010. She was simply overwhelmed by it all. There’s more people in the Greater Los Angeles Metropolitan Area than there are in the entire Czech Republic. Even my ex-wife was pretty flabbergasted by it, especially the sheer size of it - that blew her away.

567 Hippocracy (rule by horses)  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:10:41pm

re: #557 Dr Lizardo (The Manchurian Muslim)

Nice. Philippe’s is great. Of course, there’s In-N-Out Burger, and that was my ex-wife’s favorite fast food joint that she tried.

There’s a relatively new In-N-Out next to Twohey’s restaurant now.

568 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Feb 12, 2013 6:14:52pm

re: #567 Shvaughn

There’s a relatively new In-N-Out next to Twohey’s restaurant now.

Cool. Whenever I’m back in L.A., I always go to an In-N-Out first thing. There’s one right next to LAX.


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