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Marco Rubio’s PAC Markets $25 Water Bottle to Wingnut Masses

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The Reclaim America PAC is actually the Marco Rubio PAC (nudge nudge, wink wink, Citizens United, say no more), and tonight they’re marketing a new product to the rubes: the official Marco Rubio Water Bottle.

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198 comments

1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:30:25pm

There is a sucker born every minute

2 jaunte  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:32:41pm

“Get ready to wander in the wilderness for 40 years.”

3 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:33:01pm

Pitiful.

NPR had the best report (from memory)

By the time Rubio found his water bottle, Twitter had left the room.

4 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:34:27pm

Well you have to admit, it IS a smart marketing move in a turning Lemons into Lemonade sort of way.

5 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:35:05pm

I give ‘em credit for at least trying to make lemonade out of the incident.

6 Bubblehead II  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:37:07pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

about 38 seconds slow :-)

7 Mongo only pawn... in game of life.  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:38:29pm

He’s not selling it, it’s a donation. Sure. Dollars to donuts it’s made in the Peoples Republic Of China.

8 andres  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:45:34pm

Someone got the ad music already. :P

9 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:45:35pm

re: #4 Bubblehead II

Well you have to admit, it IS a smart marketing move in a turning Lemons into Lemonade sort of way.

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

I give ‘em credit for at least trying to make lemonade out of the incident.

You felliw lovers of the old sayings

10 freetoken  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:46:05pm

When fear live gives you a dry mouth lemons, beg for money make lemonade?

11 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:48:14pm

this “i will wear it as a badge of honor thing” is ripe for manipulation

12 SpaceJesus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:48:44pm

I’m going to fill it with winger tears in 2016 the night Hillary wins

13 andres  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:49:03pm

re: #5 goddamnedfrank

I give ‘em credit for at least trying to make lemonade out of the incident.

Isn’t that what the SuperPACs try to do at every opportunity?

14 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:49:12pm

Fellow. Damn. Impossible to correct from phone :-)

15 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:49:40pm

re: #6 Bubblehead II

about 38 seconds slow :-)

I’ll just note then that one shouldn’t put lemonade in an aluminum container, which is why the classy drunk opts for a titanium flask.

16 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:49:53pm

re: #14 Skeetghazi

Fellow. Damn. Impossible to correct from phone :-)

but what about us felliws?

17 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:50:46pm
18 Tigger2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:50:48pm

A big ATM is the only thing the Republican voters are to their politicians.

19 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:51:01pm

25 bucks?!
Good gravy.

20 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:53:02pm

re: #1 Kragar (Antichrist )

There is a sucker born every minute

The bottle comes with a nipple?

21 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:53:18pm

re: #13 andres

Isn’t that what the SuperPACs try to do at every opportunity?

True, I remember well the Larry Craig “wide stance” doormat.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:53:58pm

Team Dorner:
LAPD vs. Chris Dorner: The real state of the union

Incendiary devices, drones, racism, tanks, occupation, solidarity!

23 jaunte  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:56:10pm

Rubio: new package, old contents from the same old gang.

Marco Rubio’s Reclaim America PAC raising Miami coin

Big Miami-Dade names are lining up behind Sen. Marco Rubio’s Reclaim America PAC: Super-lobbyist Brian Balard, American Conservative Union chief Al Cardenas, Pepe Fanjul of Florida Crystals, Newt Gingrich’s new Florida campaign chief, Jose Mallea; Florida House Republican leader Carlos Lopez-Cantera, Jorge and Aleyda Mas of MasTech…

Read more here: [Link: miamiherald.typepad.com…]


Reclaim America PAC

Treasurer: LISKER, LISA
[Link: www.sourcewatch.org…]

The Louisiana Federation for Children PAC

The Louisiana PAC’s website touts “core” Louisiana values, such as school choice. Eddie Rispone, a Baton Rouge contractor, is chairman but the Louisiana Federation’s headquarters are in suburban Washington. Its treasurer, Lisa Lisker, was a partner in a political accounting firm that worked for Republican candidates and groups, according to disclosures.

24 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:56:12pm

re: #16 engineer cat

but what about us felliws?

Ya’ll own it. Correctly.

25 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:58:52pm

Oh for fscking crying out loud…

With this, the GOP unequivocally means “Grift Other People”. Or maybe “Grift Old People”. (probably not much difference there, but you get the idea….)

26 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 6:59:22pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Team Dorner:
LAPD vs. Chris Dorner: The real state of the union

Incendiary devices, drones, racism, tanks, occupation, solidarity!

Moonbats still being moonbats.

27 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:00:16pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Team Dorner:
LAPD vs. Chris Dorner: The real state of the union

Incendiary devices, drones, racism, tanks, occupation, solidarity!

That is one creepy website.

28 austin_blue  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:02:07pm

Speaking of Tea Baggers, I met Ms. Heidi Cruz, wife of Ted Cruz (RWNJ-TX) tonight.

A completely nice woman. Kids, 4 and 2. It was at a fundraiser for the new Texas chapter of the Children’s Heart Foundation, which funds peeds cardiology research.

Visited with her for twenty minutes or so. I came away thinking that Ted’s positions during the recent campaign have nothing to do with his mindset and everything to do with beating David Dewhurst. He rode the TP wave, but if his spousal unit is any indication, he’s WAY to the center of his avowed positions.

Which makes me go hmmm…

29 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:02:59pm

re: #26 Gus

I blame the Internet (and, maybe, the X-Files). That’s what got those conspiracy theories propelled to the outer fringes of the almost-mainstream.
Or the mainstream, if you’re right-wing.

30 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:03:11pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

That is one creepy website.

Lots of “antizionist” but they haven’t managed to tie it into the Dorner assassination case yet.

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:03:35pm

Yep, the Workers World Party website is really creepy, and that’s why it’s the fringiest of the left wing fringe sites. Read by almost nobody.

On the other hand, infowars.com gets millions of visitors a month by pandering to the loony right.

Which one is worse?

32 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:06:32pm

re: #4 Bubblehead II

Well you have to admit, it IS a smart marketing move in a turning Lemons into Lemonade sort of way.

I am sure if Dan Qualye had a superPAC it would be selling over costed potatoes…

33 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:07:55pm

I just spent a few minutes looking at Rand’s version of Objectivism and Rational Self-interest. Her ideas of consciousness and perception of reality do not reflect the reality of how the brain works, the impact of genetics and the evolution of our social structures. It seems those who adopt her philosophy are not being objective about what cognitive science is telling us about how we think.

34 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:10:19pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Yep, the Workers World Party website is really creepy, and that’s why it’s the fringiest of the left wing fringe sites. Read by almost nobody.

On the other hand, infowars.com gets millions of visitors a month by pandering to the loony right.

Which one is worse?

Since the far moonbat left is more marginalized than the wingnut right, the impact of inforwars makes it worse. IMHO.

35 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:11:22pm

WTF?

36 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:12:03pm

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

WTF?

That would be….
No one.
WTF indeed.

37 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:13:00pm

re: #33 b_sharp

I just spent a few minutes looking at Rand’s version of Objectivism and Rational Self-interest. Her ideas of consciousness and perception of reality do not reflect the reality of how the brain works, the impact of genetics and the evolution of our social structures. It seems those who adopt her philosophy are not being objective about what cognitive science is telling us about how we think.

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but: Duh!

38 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:13:25pm

re: #28 austin_blue

Speaking of Tea Baggers, I met Ms. Heidi Cruz, wife of Ted Cruz (RWNJ-TX) tonight.

A completely nice woman. Kids, 4 and 2. It was at a fundraiser for the new Texas chapter of the Children’s Heart Foundation, which funds peeds cardiology research.

Visited with her for twenty minutes or so. I came away thinking that Ted’s positions during the recent campaign have nothing to do with his mindset and everything to do with beating David Dewhurst. He rode the TP wave, but if his spousal unit is any indication, he’s WAY to the center of his avowed positions.

Which makes me go hmmm…

That is the most frustrating part of politics.

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:13:51pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

That would be….
No one.
WTF indeed.

They are living in an alternative universe. One in which up is down, cold is hot, wrong is right, fantasy is fact, stupid is smart. It must suck to be them.

40 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:14:07pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Team Dorner:
LAPD vs. Chris Dorner: The real state of the union

Incendiary devices, drones, racism, tanks, occupation, solidarity!

Will there be popcorn?

41 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:14:46pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Team Dorner:
LAPD vs. Chris Dorner: The real state of the union

Incendiary devices, drones, racism, tanks, occupation, solidarity!

Some described him as a modern-day Django, after the semi-fictional character in Quentin Tarrantino’s controversial film.

Semi-fictional character? I don’t know why, but that actually makes my brain hurt.

42 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:14:49pm

re: #37 Inner Partisan

Please don’t take this the wrong way, but: Duh!

That’s what I do, I check into things I’m not sure of.

43 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:09pm

Has Palin derped in on Dorner yet?

44 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:11pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Yep, the Workers World Party website is really creepy, and that’s why it’s the fringiest of the left wing fringe sites. Read by almost nobody.

On the other hand, infowars.com gets millions of visitors a month by pandering to the loony right.

Which one is worse?

They’re all nuts.

45 Stanley Sea  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:40pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Yep, the Workers World Party website is really creepy, and that’s why it’s the fringiest of the left wing fringe sites. Read by almost nobody.

On the other hand, infowars.com gets millions of visitors a month by pandering to the loony right.

Which one is worse?

Our peeps like their porn. So much that they share.

46 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:43pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

Infowars is, in spades-their ‘trade’ on UN documents as if they’re diktats that must be obeyed ignoring the reality that every government is beholden to their own special interests.


Just try to listen to Alex Jones’s so-called “show” (he has a show, sadly, on SiriusXM)-it’s mostly littered with ads that cater to preppers and gold bugs-and like a stopped clock, they’re right-but only twice a day.

Alex Jones needs to direct his anger and angst against the right targets-but he keeps missing the target.

I don’t know if Jones has been a target of South Park yet-if he hasn’t, he should be-then again, if Stone/Parker is unwilling to take Jones on, perhaps they agree with him….

47 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:15:48pm

Fun game on ESPN. North Carolina is beating Duke right now 38-31.

48 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:16:12pm

re: #44 Gus

They’re all nuts.

Yeah, but my nuts are worse than your nuts

wait ,,,, lemme rephrase that!!
/

49 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:17:07pm

re: #48 sattv4u2

Yeah, but my nuts are worse than your nuts

wait ,,,, lemme rephrase that!!
/

I have brass nuts. Acorns really.

50 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:17:27pm

re: #45 Skeetghazi

Our peeps like their porn. So much that they share.

Don’t kid yourself lady, everyone likes porn, especially the people who hate it.

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:17:37pm

re: #34 b_sharp

Since the far moonbat left is more marginalized than the wingnut right, the impact of inforwars makes it worse. IMHO.

The impact of Infowars and the Paulians cross borders at the moronic convergence. Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Ron Paul, Anon, 9-11 truthers, etc. The political compass gets fuzzy around the edges.

52 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:18:00pm

re: #49 b_sharp

I have brass nuts. Acorns really.

That must be tough on your squirrels teeth!!

54 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:18:59pm

re: #44 Gus

They’re all nuts.

The existence of conspiracy theorists is weird and sad, but it’s just one of those things. Giving them credibility and power is where things start to go off the rails— that’s why the GOP has turned into such a bizarre formation. It’s not any coincidence that their whackaloon policies are matched with conspiracy theories throughout.

55 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:20:10pm

re: #48 sattv4u2

Yeah, but my nuts are worse than your nuts

wait ,,,, lemme rephrase that!!
/

I know what you’re saying. The way I see it though is I hate seeing nuts that are close to my side of the aisle. Not that I’m a communist or anything. True story, I hate communists other than the academic sorts. I didn’t end up unfollowing half a dozen people on Twitter for nothing last night and it was because of the ambivalence or feelings of empathy about Dorner from people whom I normally agree with. So in the end. Sure, the right has their nuts but that’s them. When I see nuts from close to my side, it bothers me even more. Make sense?

56 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:20:55pm

re: #42 b_sharp

That’s what I do, I check into things I’m not sure of.

That’s really quite admirable.
When I checked into The Collected Writing of Ayn Rand, I gave up after about 50 pages.

57 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:21:17pm

re: #55 Gus

When I see nuts from close to my side, it bothers me even more. Make sense?

I’m exactically the same way!

58 efuseakay  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:22:07pm

$25. That’s almost 4 hours of work on today’s minimum wage.

59 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:22:41pm

re: #55 Gus

And here’s the other thing. We all think the “other” side is way nuttier because they are further away from our beliefs to start with! (I hope that was clear)

60 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:22:45pm

My point is that the Workers World Party and their ilk have been completely marginalized on the left. But Alex Jones, World Net Daily, Breitbart.com, etc. etc., are part of daily mainstream political discourse on the right.

It’s not even close to being comparable.

61 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:23:21pm

Both edges lie lie lie, so I can’t think of either as closer to MY side.

62 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:23:46pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

And here’s the other thing. We all think the “other” side is way nuttier because they are further away from our beliefs to start with! (I hope that was clear)

Uh, the moonbat crazies are marginalized by the Dems.
The wingnut crazies are in charge of the GOP.
See the difference?
;)

63 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:24:25pm

re: #51 Killgore Trout

The impact of Infowars and the Paulians cross borders at the moronic convergence. Glenn Greenwald, Andrew Sullivan, Ron Paul, Anon, 9-11 truthers, etc. The political compass gets fuzzy around the edges.

Since most Americans cluster around an arbitrary centre somewhat more conservative than other countries like Canada, the place they converge is less important than the distance that centre is from the point of convergence. The political compass seem to me to be more of a sphere.

64 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:24:37pm

re: #61 stabby

Both edges lie lie lie, so I can’t think of either as closer to MY side.

There is a difference between a group that is marginalized and one that is embraced.

65 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:24:54pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

My point is that the Workers World Party and their ilk have been completely marginalized on the left. But Alex Jones, World Net Daily, Breitbart.com, etc. etc., are part of daily mainstream political discourse on the right.

It’s not even close to being comparable.

I’m not comparing.

66 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:25:00pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Uh, the moonbat crazies are marginalized by the Dems.
The wingnut crazies are in charge of the GOP.
See the difference?
;)

My point exactly

The right think the people in charge of the Dems are crazies

(again, the further away you start from a position, the “crazier” the opposite position seems)

67 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:25:04pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

That must be tough on your squirrels teeth!!

I tell them to look, but not to touch.

68 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:26:09pm

re: #56 Inner Partisan

That’s really quite admirable.
When I checked into The Collected Writing of Ayn Rand, I gave up after about 50 pages.

Her writing isn’t the clearest.

69 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:26:15pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

My point is that the Workers World Party and their ilk have been completely marginalized on the left. But Alex Jones, World Net Daily, Breitbart.com, etc. etc., are part of daily mainstream political discourse on the right.

It’s not even close to being comparable.

Which reminded me of how wrong Dick Armey was to say about the birthers, “they might be nuts, but they’re our nuts.” See, I think that’s wrong. But that’s what’s good about the Dem side is that they don’t accept that sort of nonsense.

70 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:26:29pm

re: #67 b_sharp

I tell them to look, but not to touch.

What about the blind squirrels!?!?!

71 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:27:25pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

My point is that the Workers World Party and their ilk have been completely marginalized on the left. But Alex Jones, World Net Daily, Breitbart.com, etc. etc., are part of daily mainstream political discourse on the right.

It’s not even close to being comparable.

Isn’t that what I said?

72 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:27:56pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

My point is that the Workers World Party and their ilk have been completely marginalized on the left. But Alex Jones, World Net Daily, Breitbart.com, etc. etc., are part of daily mainstream political discourse on the right.

It’s not even close to being comparable.

To be fair: Alex Jones is maybe one or two steps on the wingnut ladder below Breitbart.com.
I think there are one or two people left in the Republican Entertainment-Industrial Complex who still can comprehend the concept of “plausible deniability”.

73 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:28:14pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

What about the blind squirrels!?!?!

I’ll ask the squirrels (if they can speak with your brass nuts in their mouths!!)
/

74 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:28:45pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

My point exactly

The right think the people in charge of the Dems are crazies

(again, the further away you start from a position, the “crazier” the opposite position seems)

The people in charge of the Republican Party twenty years ago would think the people now in charge of the GOP are crazy.

75 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:29:01pm

I only read one work by Ayn Rand, Anthem, which I read in 9th grade. It was all cutesy with the plural pronouns but the story was so freaking lame.

The ending is very unsatisfying for the female character. I believe that Ayn Rand was really a sexual submissive in spite of her alleged notions of sexual freedom and pro-choice.

76 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:29:06pm

re: #69 Gus

Which reminded me of how wrong Dick Armey was to say about the birthers, “they might be nuts, but they’re our nuts.” See, I think that’s wrong. But that’s what’s good about the Dem side is that they don’t accept that sort of nonsense.

Exactly.

77 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:29:06pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

I haven’t run across too many blind squirrels. White squirrels, OTOH, I’ve actually seen two of ‘em in the last 3 years.

78 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:29:13pm

re: #46 Cap’n Magic

I don’t know if Jones has been a target of South Park yet-if he hasn’t, he should be-then again, if Stone/Parker is unwilling to take Jones on, perhaps they agree with him….

See “The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce”.

Alex Jones isn’t a typical Republican/Democrat, Conservative/Liberal etc. partisan. Name any American power structure, be it individual, governmental, or corporate, and I guarantee you he can six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon that entity into some Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory that has its roots with the Illuminati and/or Freemasons and/or Knights Templar, etc. In his world, nothing is what it seems (literally everything is a false flag operation), and everyone who seems to hold power is merely a puppet for the REAL masters of reality. Sure Obama is a bloodthirsty fiend, but so was Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, et al. They’re all Literally Hitler, but even Hitler was just a puppet of _________.

If Mitt Romney had won the 2012 election, right now Alex Jones would have nine 45-minute videos out showing how the entire Romney family is all part of the Scary Omnipotent Cabal that controls everything flawlessly yet is so inept at concealing this fact that only the pathetic sleeping sheeple are fooled. Certainly he’s not fooled, nor are the people whose eyes are open wide enough to buy DVDs and T-shirts from his website.

79 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:29:46pm

re: #74 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

The people in charge of the Republican Party twenty years ago would think the people now in charge of the GOP are crazy.

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

80 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:30:46pm

re: #68 b_sharp

Her writing isn’t the clearest.

I admire your placidity.

81 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:30:58pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

Why would he mind them?

82 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:31:23pm

re: #68 b_sharp

Her writing isn’t the clearest.

That’s a kind way of saying it sucks.

83 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:31:35pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

“Who are these Republicans?”

84 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:31:44pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

I only read one work by Ayn Rand, Anthem, which I read in 9th grade. It was all cutesy with the plural pronouns but the story was so freaking lame.

The ending is very unsatisfying for the female character. I believe that Ayn Rand was really a sexual submissive in spite of her alleged notions of sexual freedom and pro-choice.

Lets be fair in theory you can totally be sexually submissive and be pro choice. You can also be sexually submissive and preach sexual freedom since sexual freedome should include the right to whatever sort of sexual interaction both parties agree upon and find enjoyable.

That said given the amount of quasi rapes which I have heard show up in Raynds work I have few doubts that you are right about her views on females being sexually submissive.

85 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:32:00pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

Are you implying you think he’d call them crazy? Can you articulate why?

86 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:32:28pm

re: #80 Inner Partisan

I admire your placidity.

I’m Canadian.

87 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:32:50pm

re: #85 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Are you implying you think he’d call them crazy? Can you articulate why?

Not crazy, just not within the framework of his vision of the party

((ask not ,,,, ))

88 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:33:04pm

re: #86 b_sharp

I’m Canadian.

We don’t hold that against you ,,,, much

89 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:33:22pm

re: #78 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

See “The Mystery of the Urinal Deuce”.

Alex Jones isn’t a typical Republican/Democrat, Conservative/Liberal etc. partisan. Name any American power structure, be it individual, governmental, or corporate, and I guarantee you he can six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon that entity into some Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory that has its roots with the Illuminati and/or Freemasons and/or Knights Templar, etc. In his world, nothing is what it seems (literally everything is a false flag operation), and everyone who seems to hold power is merely a puppet for the REAL masters of reality. Sure Obama is a bloodthirsty fiend, but so was Bush 43, Clinton, Bush 41, et al. They’re all Literally Hitler, but even Hitler was just a puppet of _________.

If Mitt Romney had won the 2012 election, right now Alex Jones would have nine 45-minute videos out showing how the entire Romney family is all part of the Scary Omnipotent Cabal that controls everything flawlessly yet is so inept at concealing this fact that only the pathetic sleeping sheeple are fooled. Certainly he’s not fooled, nor are the people whose eyes are open wide enough to buy DVDs and T-shirts from his website.

Very true. We saw the conversion happen after Bush left office. However, Alex Jones was never embraced by the mainstream left while the mainstream right has embraced Alex Jones thanks to Drudge and other venues.

90 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:33:49pm

re: #69 Gus

Which reminded me of how wrong Dick Armey was to say about the birthers, “they might be nuts, but they’re our nuts.” See, I think that’s wrong. But that’s what’s good about the Dem side is that they don’t accept that sort of nonsense.

You’re on to something there but it’s not the whole story. There’s Jimmy Carter who invited Michael Moore to the DNC convention. There’s nuts like Bill Ayers who’s still well accepted. Who’s doing the rejection in this relationship? I’m sure the Dems would have loved to adopt OWS as a political tool but the fringe left isn’t interested in participating in the system and the Dems are smart enough to keep the toxic radicals at arms length. It’s a long distance relationship and I think it’s important to keep it that way.

91 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:33:56pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

He would be freaked out because we not only openly admit there are gay people but preech equality with them. The same way that Lincoln would be freaked out by the fact that LBJ said that legally blacks and whites should be treated exactly the same.

It is the nature of each generations if progressives to freak out the prior one by what they push society to accept.

92 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:34:03pm

If the measure of success with the right wing base is web traffic, infowars.com is WAY ahead of breitbart.com.

93 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:13pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

Your left is not left. Even Pelosi is right of our parties of the left.

94 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:24pm

re: #86 b_sharp

I’m Canadian.

Ah! :D

95 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:27pm

re: #87 sattv4u2

Not crazy, just not within the framework of his vision of the party

((ask not ,,,, ))

I’ll admit I don’t know a lot about JFK’s domestic agenda (I was 5 when he died). Yet just 10 years before his presidency, another Democrat tried to get universal health care enacted, and before that we had FDR. How does the New Deal fit into the “ask not” paradigm?

And what the hell is it with all those damn commas ,,,,,,,,,?

96 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:28pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Your left is not left. Even Pelosi is right of our parties of the left.

Yup

97 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:35:45pm

re: #82 Vicious Babushka

That’s a kind way of saying it sucks.

You know me too well.

98 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:36:13pm

re: #86 b_sharp

I’m Canadian.

Pass the poutine, please.

99 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:36:59pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

We don’t hold that against you ,,,, much

I noticed.

You’re all afraid that if you treated me poorly I send a beaver to get you.

100 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:37:24pm

re: #95 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

How does the New Deal fit into the “ask not” paradigm?

the 1st one (1933-34) or the 2nd one (35ish to 38)???

101 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:37:50pm

re: #99 b_sharp

I noticed.

You’re all afraid that if you treated me poorly I send a beaver to get you.

must
resist
urge
to
comment

102 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:38:37pm

re: #86 b_sharp

I want you to know I’m not prejudiced against your flappy little head.

103 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:39:12pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Pass the poutine, please.

Just finished it off last night.

104 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:39:18pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

My point exactly

The right think the people in charge of the Dems are crazies

(again, the further away you start from a position, the “crazier” the opposite position seems)

No, the GOP is crazy by any standards.
No way around it.

105 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:39:40pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

You’re on to something there but it’s not the whole story. There’s Jimmy Carter who invited Michael Moore to the DNC convention. There’s nuts like Bill Ayers who’s still well accepted. Who’s doing the rejection in this relationship? I’m sure the Dems would have loved to adopt OWS as a political tool but the fringe left isn’t interested in participating in the system and the Dems are smart enough to keep the toxic radicals at arms length. It’s a long distance relationship and I think it’s important to keep it that way.

I don’t know. Michale Moore is tough to figure out. He says some pretty stupid things sometimes but in the end he finally fell in line during last years campaign and turned out to be rather pragmatic on many issues. Now that the election is over he may go back to his old familiar ways which are rather questionable. But I really was surprised to see how he changed, at least for the duration, last year. He’s still not mainstream however and he will receive an occasional dose of criticism from the “pragmatic Obots.” Sadly though, I saw those very same “pragmatic Obots” go emoprog over Dorner last night. People are complicated I guess. I went emoprog on Obama over Operation Pillar of Cloud yet remain on Israel’s side. Weird, ain’t it?

106 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:39:53pm

[actually I grew up in Canada]

107 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:40:08pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

must
resist
urge
to
comment

Come on, a set up like that? There is no way you can resist for long.

108 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:40:38pm

re: #106 stabby

[actually I grew up in Canada]

oh,, we were still waiting!!

//

109 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:41:21pm

re: #105 Gus

Weird, ain’t it?

We all have our little peccadillo’s

110 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:41:32pm

re: #106 stabby

[actually I grew up in Canada]

There are several Canucks here. I’m just the oldest.

111 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:41:51pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

what you on about?

112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:42:04pm

re: #105 Gus

Carter inviting Moore to the convention isn’t even comparable to the shit the GOP pulls on a regular basis. Like inviting phony lord Monkton to speak before congress.

The GOP— not the fringes, but actual elected people— actively spout conspiracy theories like pea soup from Linda Blair. Every time Issa or King open their mouths, they’re spewing another conspiracy story.

113 Varek Raith  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:42:17pm

re: #111 stabby

what you on aboot?

Eh?
;)

114 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:42:29pm

re: #111 stabby

what you on about?

I’m on aboot a nice office chair

115 jaunte  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:42:38pm
116 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:43:40pm

re: #111 stabby

what you on about?

Satt has a twisted sense of humour (similar to mine) and he used sarcasm tags in his comment. In other words he was joking.

117 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:44:29pm

re: #116 b_sharp

Satt has a twisted sense of humour (similar to mine) and he used sarcasm tags in his comment. In other words he was joking.

Translation for one Canadian to another??

Thanks!
/

118 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:46:05pm

Best Google image search ever: Pile of Puppies.

119 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:47:33pm

re: #116 b_sharp

Satt has a twisted sense of humour

I played a lot of hockey before helmets were mandatory!!

120 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:47:59pm

re: #78 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Oh yeah-I remember seeing pictures of Hitler being depicted as a puppet for Thyssen/Krupp back in the day.

121 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:48:08pm

re: #117 sattv4u2

Translation for one Canadian to another??

Thanks!
/

tu êtes les bienvenus

122 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:48:09pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

Best Google image search ever: Pile of Puppies.

While “sheep in the dark” remains on the edge of terror.

Image: tumblr_mdfk77u1aQ1rt4cdpo1_500.jpg

123 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:49:21pm

re: #118 Charles Johnson

I’ll see your puppies, and raise you kittens.

124 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:49:38pm

re: #121 b_sharp

tu êtes les bienvenus

You either just said “you’re welcome” or “would you like my sister”!

125 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:50:09pm
126 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:51:09pm

re: #124 sattv4u2

You either just said “you’re welcome” or “would you like my sister”!

I already showed you a pic of my sister didn’t I?

That was the familiar form of ‘you’re welcome’.

127 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:51:19pm

Suddenly cuteness is rampant.

128 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:51:21pm

re: #125 Gus

Man’s best friend forever and ever. Awwwwww.

129 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:52:05pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

Suddenly cuteness is rampant.

It has become an acute problem.

130 Cap'n Magic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:52:08pm

re: #26 Gus

Which is more dangerous: wingnuts or moonbats?

131 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:52:47pm

re: #105 Gus

*A lot of shit about Michael Moore*

Yeah, but did you happen to notice that he’s fat?

Seriously, though - I sincerely believe that Michael Moore is one of those rare animals: A left-wing pragmatist.
He’s full of populism when the other side is in power; but he’s well aware of what he can get when his side is.

132 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:53:08pm

re: #126 b_sharp

I already showed you a pic of my sister didn’t I?

That was the familiar form of ‘you’re welcome’.

Yup. I recall that (I spent the summer between my junior and senior years of High School playing for a summer Junior B league team based outside of Montreal)

133 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:53:51pm

re: #130 Cap’n Magic

Which is more dangerous: wingnuts or moonbats?

One collects guns, the other collects crystals, pyramids and uses homeopathy.

134 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:55:07pm

re: #105 Gus

I don’t know. Michale Moore is tough to figure out. He says some pretty stupid things sometimes but in the end he finally fell in line during last years campaign and turned out to be rather pragmatic on many issues. Now that the election is over he may go back to his old familiar ways which are rather questionable. But I really was surprised to see how he changed, at least for the duration, last year. He’s still not mainstream however and he will receive an occasional dose of criticism from the “pragmatic Obots.” Sadly though, I saw those very same “pragmatic Obots” go emoprog over Dorner last night. People are complicated I guess. I went emoprog on Obama over Operation Pillar of Cloud yet remain on Israel’s side. Weird, ain’t it?

It is a complicated picture and some people are hard to figure out. It’s always been fascinating to me. There are true believer ideologues (Ron Paul, Code Pink, Noam Chomsky), there are partisan shills for personal profit/attention (Breitbart, Michael Moore), corporate shills for profit and selling advertizing (MSNBC, FOX). Most of the population is susceptible to their political instincts, thus becoming prey to the above mentioned predators. Not everybody is easy to categorize but some people are more transparent than others.

135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:55:57pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

How does the New Deal fit into the “ask not” paradigm?

the 1st one (1933-34) or the 2nd one (35ish to 38)???

Why don’t you expound on both?

136 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:56:21pm

re: #130 Cap’n Magic

Which is more dangerous: wingnuts or moonbats?

I plead a 5th. Well, given that wingnuts have more power through current state legislatures? Wingnuts. That being said if moonbats were to have that same power they would be equally dangerous.

137 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:57:51pm

G’night dudes and dudettes. I have wire to pull tomorrow so I have to rest up.

138 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:58:17pm

re: #135 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Why don’t you expound on both?

Because my fingers would fall off
Here

I’ll cheat

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Most pertinent paragraphs (imho)

Many historians distinguish between a “First New Deal” (1933–34) and a “Second New Deal” (1935–38), with the second one more liberal and more controversial. The “First New Deal” (1933–34) dealt with diverse groups, from banking and railroads to industry and farming, all of which demanded help for economic survival. The Federal Emergency Relief Administration, for instance, provided $500 million for relief operations by states and cities, while the short-lived CWA (Civil Works Administration) gave localities money to operate make-work projects in 1933-34.[3]

The “Second New Deal” in 1935–38 included the Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program (which made the federal government by far the largest single employer in the nation),[4] the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The final major items of New Deal legislation were the creation of the United States Housing Authority and Farm Security Administration, both in 1937, and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers.[5]

I think Kennedy would have been opposed to the 2nd

139 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:58:52pm

re: #137 b_sharp

G’night dudes and dudettes. I have wire to pull tomorrow so I have to rest up.

Is that why your balls are brass??

140 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:59:01pm

re: #137 b_sharp

G’night dudes and dudettes. I have wire to pull tomorrow so I have to rest up.

Sounds fun.

141 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 7:59:29pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Sounds fun.

Trust me

It’s not

142 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:01:01pm

re: #137 b_sharp

G’night dudes and dudettes. I have wire to pull tomorrow so I have to rest up.

You pull the wire with your left hand or right?

143 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:01:56pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

You pull the wire with your left hand or right?

yes

144 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:03:33pm

I’m still reeling from the shock of finding out that “EdDantes” is actually “BatGuano.”

145 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:04:49pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

I’m still reeling from the shock of finding out that “EdDantes” is actually “BatGuano.”

What?

146 Inner Partisan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:05:32pm

re: #133 b_sharp

One collects guns, the other collects crystals, pyramids and uses homeopathy.

Like that’s harmless! Pyramids shoot out Tachyon Energy - that’ll travel back in time and hit you before you can even think about firing your God-Given-Gun!
Clearly, moonbats are a national threat, and the NRA would do well to address them in their next press conference!

///

147 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:05:36pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

I’m still reeling from the shock of finding out that “EdDantes” is actually “BatGuano.”

Did you ban him? (I was here for his swan song earlier)

148 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:05:43pm

re: #144 Charles Johnson

I’m still reeling from the shock of finding out that “EdDantes” is actually “BatGuano.”

i think the daily show will have a item about it tonite

149 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:06:23pm

BatGuano

i can’t hear this without wanting to say “if that’s your real name”

150 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:06:45pm

re: #145 Kragar (Antichrist )

What?

See: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

151 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:06:50pm

re: #147 sattv4u2

Did you ban him? (I was here for his swan song earlier)

Where was this?

152 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:08:24pm

re: #151 Kragar (Antichrist )

Where was this?

Starts here

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

153 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:09:21pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

See: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

I am disappoint.

154 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:10:53pm

I saw that earlier. What a strange flounce. Or was that a semi-flounce?

155 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:11:50pm

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that earlier. What a strange flounce. Or was that a semi-flounce?

It was off the low platform, not the high dive board.

The Russian judge only gave him a 4.2!

156 BongCrodny  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:18:13pm

That’s quite a Marco mark-up.

157 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:19:55pm

re: #150 Charles Johnson

See: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

If that’s a flounce, it’s the strangest damned one I’ve ever seen. Usually when they flounce, they douse themselves in napalm and strike a match. First time I can remember seeing a sock come clean and then show themselves the door.

158 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:22:02pm

Hmm. That was weird. Freaking hamsters.

159 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:24:21pm

re: #156 BongCrodny

That’s quite a Marco mark-up.

Lets say its a standard screw top, you’re 3 to 4 times more than a regular bottle just because it says “Rubio” on it.

160 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:25:13pm

re: #159 Kragar (Antichrist )

Lets say its a standard screw top, you’re 3 to 4 times more than a regular bottle just because it says “Rubio” on it.

So, you’ve never been to Disney Land/ World huh !?!?!?

// (kinda)

161 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:25:53pm

re: #159 Kragar (Antichrist )

re: #160 sattv4u2

So, you’ve never been to Disney Land/ World huh !?!?!?

// (kinda)

Or for that matter, a local movie theatre!!

162 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:31:45pm

Great John Wayne movie on TCM.

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

163 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:32:38pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

Great John Wayne movie on TCM.

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

I once knew a stripper that wore just a yellow ribbon

No,, wait ,, I knew her twice!!

164 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:36:03pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

Great John Wayne movie on TCM.

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

One of my absolute favorites. Ford was the master of the western and anti-western simultaneously.

165 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:37:38pm

re: #162 NJDhockeyfan

Great John Wayne movie on TCM.

She Wore a Yellow Ribbon

166 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:39:28pm

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

You guys made me read that. How oddly pointless. If he’s really BatGuano then his parents have very cruel taste.

167 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:41:01pm
168 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:44:27pm
169 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:54:36pm

Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin commercial for “The Caddy:”

170 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:56:00pm

re: #33 b_sharp

I just spent a few minutes looking at Rand’s version of Objectivism and Rational Self-interest. Her ideas of consciousness and perception of reality do not reflect the reality of how the brain works, the impact of genetics and the evolution of our social structures. It seems those who adopt her philosophy are not being objective about what cognitive science is telling us about how we think.

In my opinion, if you want to understand Rand, understand Marx. Her whole worldview is Marxist, but inverted so bad is good and good is bad.

She’s the Marxist equivalent of a Satanist.

171 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 8:57:34pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

Jerry Lewis and Dean Martin commercial for “The Caddy:”

[Embedded content]

Fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck. //

172 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:04:21pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

I only read one work by Ayn Rand, Anthem, which I read in 9th grade. It was all cutesy with the plural pronouns but the story was so freaking lame.

The ending is very unsatisfying for the female character. I believe that Ayn Rand was really a sexual submissive in spite of her alleged notions of sexual freedom and pro-choice.

As a dominant, I know a sub when I see one, and I’ve seen Ms. Rand.

However, I’ll disagree that D/s means being against sexual freedom and choice. My wife is a sub and she’s fiercely pro-choice. So am I for that matter. We’re very pro-LGBT as well.

173 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:06:26pm

re: #88 sattv4u2

We don’t hold that against you ,,,, much

174 mr.fusion  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:08:46pm

re: #69 Gus

Which reminded me of how wrong Dick Armey was to say about the birthers, “they might be nuts, but they’re our nuts.” See, I think that’s wrong. But that’s what’s good about the Dem side is that they don’t accept that sort of nonsense.

Just to drive that point home:

175 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:12:45pm

re: #174 mr.fusion

Just to drive that point home:

[Embedded content]

Fucking aye. Stupid truthers.

176 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:13:12pm

martin and lewis, ayn rand

i’m beginning to think of the 20th century as a long distant era

i see people opining on the teevee machine these days that weren’t even born until after madonna had her last hit record

177 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:20:57pm

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

178 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:21:07pm

re: #170 Romantic Heretic

I think she may be an empathy-free sociopath who resents people who don’t have her deficits. And she’s built up an abstract philosophy to try to compensate for lacking normal human connection and empathy.

179 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:22:59pm

As for being a sub, yes and I don’t think I’ve ever seen someone make being a sub look that unattractive.

180 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:23:19pm
181 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:26:42pm

re: #180 Gus

Them welfare walmart employees are bleeding us dry

182 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:27:20pm

re: #176 engineer cat

martin and lewis, ayn rand

i’m beginning to think of the 20th century as a long distant era

i see people opining on the teevee machine these days that weren’t even born until after madonna had her last hit record

I’da waited ‘til after too, given the option.

183 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:27:54pm

re: #180 Gus

Shocker. Though one of the county’s mentioned is a particularly small one. Still though, there’s a lot of evidence that the Red States and their voters are more “takers” than Blue state voters. I really don’t care but I resent the living hell out of Republican politicians like Romney implying that I vote Democratic mostly because I’m “dependent” and “want free stuff.”

184 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:35:49pm

Jerry Lewis is a trip.

185 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:38:45pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

I’da waited ‘til after too, given the option.

heh

speaking of which, the difference i notice most between the end of the 20th century and the beginning of this one is that that great font of creativity that was american popular music - manufactured products like madonna aside - has finally run dry

186 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:39:29pm

re: #183 HappyWarrior

The ironic thing was that Romney’s 47% whine was part of a sentence where he complained that the “takers” weren’t responsive to his message of lowering taxes.

So his complaint that Obama won by “giving away free stuff” was a complaint that he was giving free stuff to a lower class than Romney said he was building his whole campaign on.

So basically Romney’s campaign message was “if you’re upper class, THEN I HAVE FREE STUFF FOR YOU!”

And somehow THAT’s good, but health care for the poor is theft.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:43:40pm

re: #186 stabby

The ironic thing was that Romney’s 47% whine was part of a sentence where he complained that the “takers” weren’t responsive to his message of lowering taxes.

So his complaint that Obama won by “giving away free stuff” was a complaint that he was giving free stuff to a lower class than Romney said he was building his whole campaign on.

So basically Romney’s campaign message was “if you’re upper class, THEN I HAVE FREE STUFF FOR YOU!”

And somehow THAT’s good, but health care for the poor is theft.

Yeah fucked up message by an even more fucked up candidate.

188 austin_blue  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:45:18pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

And what would JFK think of the Nancy Pelosis, the Howard Deans, etc

Oops.

189 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:45:32pm

re: #185 engineer cat

heh

speaking of which, the difference i notice most between the end of the 20th century and the beginning of this one is that that great font of creativity that was american popular music - manufactured products like madonna aside - has finally run dry

Cynic.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:52:13pm

re: #170 Romantic Heretic

In my opinion, if you want to understand Rand, understand Marx. Her whole worldview is Marxist, but inverted so bad is good and good is bad.

She’s the Marxist equivalent of a Satanist.

Yet, if there’s one thing Marx and Rand agreed upon, it’s that they both took a very dim view of religion. Which is what makes it so hilarious when so many who supposedly pray at the Altar of Rand fail to realize that she’d laugh her ass off if they came to her whining that the government was encroaching on their religious freedoms. Or declared that religious morals should guide society and its laws.

191 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:18pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Yet, if there’s one thing Marx and Rand agreed upon, it’s that they both took a very dim view of religion. Which is what makes it so hilarious when so many who supposedly pray at the Altar of Rand fail to realize that she’d laugh her ass off if they came to her whining that the government was encroaching on their religious freedoms. Or declared that religious morals should guide society and its laws.

Yeah, it is pretty funny to see. Happens a lot too.

192 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:10:49pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

There’s nuts like Bill Ayers who’s still well accepted.

LOL Bill Ayers, really, Trout?

You’re shittin’ us, right?

193 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:13:57pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

There are true believer ideologues (Ron Paul, Code Pink, Noam Chomsky), …

Surely you aren’t comparing the influence of Ron Paul within the Republican party to that of Code Pink or Chomsky within the Democratic party?

I mean, cuz that would be stupid.

194 gwangung  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:22:18pm

re: #178 stabby

I think she may be an empathy-free sociopath who resents people who don’t have her deficits. And she’s built up an abstract philosophy to try to compensate for lacking normal human connection and empathy.

Well, Rand specifically stated that her idea of the perfect man was a man who actually was a sociopathic killer.

195 gwangung  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:24:30pm

re: #192 Shvaughn

LOL Bill Ayers, really, Trout?

You’re shittin’ us, right?

Once again swallowing the party line about someone who WAS and STILL IS part of the Establishment in Illinois (which includes Republicans).

196 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:02:34am

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

As a dominant, I know a sub when I see one, and I’ve seen Ms. Rand.

However, I’ll disagree that D/s means being against sexual freedom and choice. My wife is a sub and she’s fiercely pro-choice. So am I for that matter. We’re very pro-LGBT as well.

Well, I really don’t know all that much about that life style. I didn’t even read 50 Shades. I just thought her portrayal of the woman in Anthem as totally subservient to the man, as being in contradiction to the ideals of feminism.

197 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:59:09am
198 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:49:05am

I know Hilary Clinton is probably buying some bottles of that water right now. She would love to face off with Rubio in 2016. Fun times!


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