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Arctic ‘Death Spiral’ Leaves Climate Scientists Shocked and Worried

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A “radical shift” is plunging the Arctic Ocean towards an ice-free state for the first time in millions of years. One of the world’s foremost ice experts, Professor Peter Wadhams of Cambridge University, calls it a “global disaster” that will cause such a big boost in global temperatures that even such extreme measures as geo-engineering need to be considered urgently.

Climate science has long understood that disappearance of summer sea ice in the Arctic would be a “tipping point” in the Earth’s climate system, accelerating global temperatures and causing extreme weather and other climate changes far beyond the Arctic. Yet nearly every expert has been shocked by just how rapidly this “continent of ice” has been vanishing, and how dramatic the impacts have been already.

Climate scientists and ice experts are now using phrases like “unprecedented”, “amazing”, “extreme”, “hard to exaggerate”, “incredibly fast”, “death spiral” and “heading for oblivion”.

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273 comments

1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:48:08pm

It’s a good thing that this issue is taken seriously on both sides of the aisle. Oh wait………………….

2 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:51:03pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

It’s a good thing that this issue is taken seriously on both sides of the aisle. Oh wait………………….

But its snowing in _____!

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:51:50pm

re: #2 Kragar (Antichrist )

But its snowing in _____!

Russia therefore Al Bore is a liar.

4 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:18pm

I’m sure that this is outweighed by all the evidence against global warming that Bryan Fischer’s been tweeting out lately.

5 stabby  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:24pm

I sometimes ask conservatives if, when islands and coasts are below water, and global warming can no longer be denied, if they will regret having tied their political sleigh to the star of climate conspiracy theories.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:31pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

Russia therefore Al Bore is a liar.

Nothing to worry about as long as we keep Jesus’s magic force field up around the United States.

7 austin_blue  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:53:52pm

Given that the North Slope drilling cycle is based on the permafrost supporting the rigs, I’d say that the opening of new exploration areas is pretty much fucked.

Given that the extraction and burning of hydrocarbons has made this situation come to pass is absolutely sweet!

It reeks of irony.

8 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:54:02pm

re: #5 stabby

I sometimes ask conservatives if, when islands and coasts are below water, and global warming can no longer be denied, if they will regret having tied their political sleigh to the star of climate conspiracy theories.

I’m not letting any of them on my Ark.

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:55:00pm

WE’RE IN A COOLING TREND! STOPPED WARMING 15 YEARS AGO!! CYCLES!!!

10 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 9:57:27pm

Actual Paul Ryan paraphrase of a quote. “It’s hard to convince people in Wisconsin that global warming exists when it’s snowing in February.” And he’s supposed to be one of their “intellectuals” and “policy wonks”

11 Gus  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:07:54pm

Too freaking funny.

12 abolitionist  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:12:36pm

People might no longer understand the movies about the Titanic. Grandpa, what’s a iceberg?

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:19:45pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

Actual Paul Ryan paraphrase of a quote. “It’s hard to convince people in Wisconsin that global warming exists when it’s snowing in February.” And he’s supposed to be one of their “intellectuals” and “policy wonks”

All those red areas on the map are going to turn really blue when we have to start abandoning the coasts.

14 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:27:37pm

This looks like good and meaningful data, data that shows the harsh reality of global warming in a very real trend.

Plots like this should be shown rather than meaningless plots with specious trends like those showing US temperature (a mere few percent of earth’s surface) over the last 20 or so years which show no discernible trend amidst statistics (nor would be expected to in such a brief amount of time). Those concerned with global warming (who should be ALL of us) shoot themselves in the foot by doing this all too often, IMHO.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 10:51:38pm

The other ideological conflict that leads to acts of outright denial, lying and finding spurious “experts” to present cherry-picked or invented denialist “facts” is that the Free Market is not the mechanism to combat global warming, and that notion is an affront and a challenge to modern conservatives, for whom More Market is the solution to everything.

And since the only alternative to Free Market is government. And since the problem is international in scope, it calls for world government intervention. Talk about waving a red flag in fron of these guys…

16 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 13, 2013 11:00:44pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

Cynic.

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while i wouldn’t deny that i’m a cynic, the talent of the musician in the video isn’t what i’m talking about. america still has an abundance of worthy and very capable and talented popular musicians like the one in the video. however, the style that she is playing in was already current thirty years ago. if i had played in a 30 year old style when i was 20 i would have been playing swing, WWII style, in the early 1970s

where is the american popular music that was so dynamic that from 1912 through 1992 it mutated so quickly that at any time a ten year old recording would sound so out of date that it might as well have been recorded for your parents? where is the american popular music that during this period poured out a torrent of indelible hit songs that everybody in america and even the whole world knew and sang?

what i hear on the radio these days sounds anemic and/or formulaic, and the only pop tune i wanted to sing or can even remember in the past five years is “rumour has it”

17 Tigger2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:13:46am

I’m buying a House on the top of the Smoky Mountains so I can have an ocean front property in the further./

18 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 12:45:33am

Tonight’s 40k trivia:

Genestealers

Genestealers reproduce by introducing their genetic material into a host from another intelligent species; this is normally a human, but can theoretically be any sentient humanoid race, including the Eldar or the Orks. The Genestealers have no true genders, and require a creature of any species, any gender to reproduce. The Genestealer will find a suitable host and hypnotise them into passivity using its unusual, alien eyes. The Genestealer then thrusts its long, whip-like tongue (which also serves as an ovipositor) into the body of the host, where it deposits its DNA in the form of a type of virus that infects the somatic and germ line cells of the host. Several hours later, the infected victim wakes up from the incident, with no wounds or any recollection of what happened. The new host of the Genestealer DNA will go on about its normal life, and eventually reproduce with another member of its species, thus siring (if male) or giving birth (if female) to a Genestealer Hybrid. The Genestealer reproductive cycle is truly cyclical, as an F4 hybrid will always spawn a purestrain Genestealer with a genome identical to that of the original Genestealer that infected the first host.

Newly born Genestealer Hybrids, although fundamentally Genestealers, will have characteristics inherited from the host parent. Thus a Genestealer Hybrid of human stock may have a vaguely humanoid head, or only two arms instead of the usual four, and perhaps its tail will be shortened or missing. A Genestealer of four or more generations of consistent human parentage would pass for a baseline human on cursory inspection, although a closer look would reveal bluish skin, sharp, pointed teeth and a rather disturbing stare. The Ymgarl Genestealers on their homeworld exploited a large, semisentient leech-like creature called a Csith as their usual mate; and matings with a Csith always produce natural Ymgarl Genestealers rather than Hybrids, no matter what the parentage of previous generations.

19 dragonfire1981  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:08:48am

And I am sure conservative nutbars are already hard at work trying to debunk this report.

Maybe the Mayans were just off by a few years?

20 dragonfire1981  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 1:16:26am

I can hear the deniers already:

But, but…record snowstorm last week!!

21 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 2:00:39am

Yet they still vote GOP in Alaska. Good luck with that, ice road truckers.

22 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 2:17:18am
23 freetoken  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 2:27:11am

Maria Luisa Anido:

24 freetoken  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 3:50:08am
25 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:03:32am

Holy Schnikies!!

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Blade Runner Oscar Pistorius charged with murder after ‘he accidentally shot dead his model girlfriend at his luxury South Africa home when he mistook her for an intruder

26 Stoatly  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:04:26am

re: #13 Kragar (Antichrist )

All those red areas on the map are going to turn really blue when we have to start abandoning the coasts.

GET OFF MY LAND!!

27 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:13:37am

Happy Valentines Day!

Today is my baby girl’s wedding anniversary. Married for 1 year to a very sweet man from the UK. He irons!

Happy anniversary sweeties!

28 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:17:39am

re: #27 Vicious Babushka

Happy Valentines Day!

Today is my baby girl’s wedding anniversary. Married for 1 year to a very sweet man from the UK. He irons!

Happy anniversary sweeties!

Professionally??

(NTAWWT!!)

29 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:19:12am

re: #28 sattv4u2

Professionally??

(NTAWWT!!)

His own shirts. His mum taught him!

I tried to teach my daughter, but she has a phobia of irons and other household appliances, and gross stuff like raw chicken.

30 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:21:21am

re: #29 Vicious Babushka

His own shirts. His mum taught him!

I tried to teach my daughter, but she has a phobia of irons and other household appliances, and gross stuff like raw chicken.

I’ve never tried to iron a chicken!

31 Tigger2005  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:26:50am

I’m not a scientist, man. Only scientists can understand science, you dig? And what I (or my constituents) can’t understand, we write off as commie muslim plots to make Jesus cry.

32 William of Orange  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:34:13am

Happy Valentine’s day!

33 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:35:31am

From my local paper, tanker truck driver crashes his rig, dumps dumps 9,500 gallons of fuel into stream, walks away from it. [Link: www.timesunion.com…]

He did get badly burned. This will be devastating to the local habitat. No brook trout fishing here. Of course the guiderail is sub par.

34 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:35:33am

“That’s not a knife. Now THAT’S a knife!!”

New Bedford store clerk foils knife-wielding robber by pulling out a sword
[Link: www.boston.com…]

35 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:36:11am

Irons make great grilled cheese!

36 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:37:03am

re: #35 Flounder

Irons make great grilled cheese!

I prefer my grilled cheese made with bread!

(easier on the teeth!)

37 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:38:50am

re: #33 Flounder

That happened in Pennsylvania too, I think a train upended a ton of toxic chemicals into one of the cleanest trout streams in the state.

38 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:45:12am

First Derp of the Day

39 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:47:17am

Another from my local paper, crane collapse

[Link: www.timesunion.com…]

Amazingly and thankfully no one got hurt. I think what happened is the operator boomed up too high, and it fell backward once it got past the tipping point. Friction cranes haven’t changed much in a hundred years.

40 AntonSirius  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:56:35am

re: #18 Kragar (Antichrist )

Tonight’s 40k trivia:

Now I want to text in sick to work and play a marathon game of Space Hulk.

41 Awea  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 4:59:11am

re: #19 dragonfire1981

And I am sure conservative nutbars are already hard at work trying to debunk this report.

Maybe the Mayans were just off by a few years?

They will go with their standard. “It was because of God.”

42 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:04:01am

DERP

43 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:17:09am
44 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:33:20am

Syphilis,
It all started with a simple kiss
Now it even hurts to take a piss
Oh, why do I, have syphilis?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Happy Valentines Day!

45 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:35:02am

DERP

46 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:35:15am

Happy Valentines Day, a little old but seeing it for the first time, enjoy:

Justin Timberlake and Jimmy Fallon History of Rap:

47 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 5:44:13am

Another touching love story
[Link: www.mirror.co.uk…]

Rouslan Toumaniantz tattooed his name in five-inch high letters across his girlfriend’s FACE – less than 24 hours after they met.

Tattoos aren’t my thing but I wish them well.

48 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:03:19am

re: #47 Flounder

Another touching love story
[Link: www.mirror.co.uk…]

Tattoos aren’t my thing but I wish them well.

She must have one big face!

49 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:04:50am

So here’s the menu for what I’m making tonight:

Amuse bouche: Oysters on the half-shell with various dips

Appetizer: Ceviche of red snapper and tuna, with lime-blood orange citrus

Pasta: Linguine Carbonara, with fresh pasta. I use bacon, not guanciale.

Main course: Saffron-wild-rice stuffed cornish game hen.

Side: Duck-fat roasted potatoes.

Dessert: Goat-cheese chile chocolate popsicles.

All from scratch.

Booyeah, I’m excited.

50 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:07:17am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So here’s the menu for what I’m making tonight:

Amuse bouche: Oysters on the half-shell with various dips

Appetizer: Ceviche of red snapper and tuna, with lime-blood orange citrus

Pasta: Linguine Carbonara, with fresh pasta. I use bacon, not guanciale.

Main course: Saffron-wild-rice stuffed cornish game hen.

Side: Duck-fat roasted potatoes.

Dessert: Goat-cheese chile chocolate popsicles.

All from scratch.

Booyeah, I’m excited.

Impressive.

51 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:08:06am

DERP

52 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:09:24am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Impressive.

Ambitious. Hopefully I can pull it off.

53 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:10:55am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’ll be making reservations for a second seating shortly. That’s quite the impressive menu.

Me? Going to a local gem of a restaurant.

54 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:15:05am

Idiot wingnuts believe their own idiotic fantasy conspiracies.

55 iossarian  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:20:10am

re: #52 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Ambitious. Hopefully I can pull it off.

Hopefully, it being Valentine’s Day, there’ll be no need for that!

56 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:20:17am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I didn’t know you owned a goat.

57 iossarian  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:20:27am

And … good morning.

58 iossarian  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:23:58am

Re-reading Hamlet at the moment. Such a fascinating play.

I’d like to know if there are historical reactions to it from other playwrights. If you’d been writing at the same time as Shakespeare I would have thought that would be a real “oh fuck” moment, a bit like the Beach Boys/Beatles back and forth in 1966-7.

59 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:26:36am

re: #56 dragonath

I didn’t know you owned a goat.

It was a surprise to the goat, too.

60 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:29:08am

re: #59 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It was a surprise to the goat, too.

In Soviet Russia, surprised goat owns you.

61 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:31:56am

OT: When doing the social media thing, especially as a brand, make sure the auto-inserted image when linking an article is appropriate to your message.

This just came along my fb timeline from a local brewer:

Img: You are doing it wrong

62 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:33:00am

re: #58 iossarian

There is very little surviving material showing contemporary reception of Shakespeare’s plays, I think. They know from how often it was performed that it was in the top five of his plays in terms of how much audiences liked it.

63 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:33:23am

re: #58 iossarian

If you’d been writing at the same time as Shakespeare I would have thought that would be a real “oh fuck” moment, a bit like the Beach Boys/Beatles back and forth in 1966-7.

“Oh, fucketh me”

64 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:33:56am

re: #62 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

…there is an upstart Crow, beautified with our feathers, that with his Tiger’s heart wrapped in a Player’s hide, supposes he is as well able to bombast out a blank verse as the best of you: and being an absolute Johannes factotum, is in his own conceit the only Shake-scene in a country.

65 iossarian  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:40:58am

re: #62 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

There is very little surviving material showing contemporary reception of Shakespeare’s plays, I think. They know from how often it was performed that it was in the top five of his plays in terms of how much audiences liked it.

The edition I’m re-reading (Arden) is the one I used to study it in high school - it has fantastic notes and a long introduction that covers a lot of the historical context. It doesn’t mention contemporary reaction as such, and obviously the historical record even of the plays themselves is somewhat shaky, what with the different surviving published versions etc. So presumably there’s just no data there.

It’s just amazingly dense with meaning. There are so many allusions to Hamlet’s state of mind, microcosms of the plot in single scenes or even fragments of speech and so on.

66 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:41:40am
67 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:44:28am

re: #66 makeitstop

WTF???

Report: FreedomWorks Made Video Depicting Sexual Act Between Hillary Clinton And A Panda

Again. WTF?

They’ve been taken over by 12-year-old South Park fans?

68 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:46:58am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Oh man, that’s off the hook.

69 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:47:30am

re: #66 makeitstop

WTF???

Report: FreedomWorks Made Video Depicting Sexual Act Between Hillary Clinton And A Panda

Again. WTF?

It sounds like they were trying reference / recreate this scene from The Shining.

70 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:47:50am

re: #66 makeitstop

WTF???

Report: FreedomWorks Made Video Depicting Sexual Act Between Hillary Clinton And A Panda

Again. WTF?

Ah, the intellectual heirs to Buckley

71 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:48:44am
72 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:49:43am

It’s hard not to read crap like this and think of a Mad Max world, or maybe a Mad Max lite version of it.

The likelihood is climate change itself will cause great stress to societies and governments but most will bend and not break. However, the wildcard is the governments that bend may be quick to start a war over resources, and if its a power with nukes then things could go from bad to worse.

73 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:50:17am

re: #68 Kronocide

Oh man, that’s off the hook.

It totally wish I had two ovens. I’m going to have to cook the game hens and the potatoes at the same temp, which isn’t ideal, but I can put the potatoes on the bottom of the oven, which is where it’s hottest for me (gas-flame-plate oven) and that should work.

74 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:50:56am

re: #66 makeitstop

WTF???

Report: FreedomWorks Made Video Depicting Sexual Act Between Hillary Clinton And A Panda

Again. WTF?

75 dragonath  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:52:36am

But, fambly values!

76 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:53:22am

re: #74 Lidane

The investigation at the influential tea party group could get weird.

I’d say it’s already there.

77 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:57:27am

re: #74 Lidane

Anti-gay conservatives have such fascinating fantasy lives.

78 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 6:58:05am

Crazy wingnut Birthers actually believe Orly Taitz will win her case presented before SCOTUS (how in the fuck did it even get to SCOTUS?)

79 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:02:54am

This amazing collapse of the Arctic ice means I’ll probably live long enough to have the last laugh on the deniers after all. Can’t say I’ll enjoy the experience though. By then this part of the country might be a giant sand dune with a little space cleared in the middle for the Buddy Holly statue.

80 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:03:54am

re: #78 Vicious Babushka

Conference will be held tomorrow on Noonan v. Bowen (CA Sec. State) (the latest of Taitz’s birther cases) by the US Supreme Court.

Based on prior instances, this case will also end in the same fashion as all previous cases - hopefully with one key distinction. I’m hoping that some fat sanctions get slapped on Taitz for pushing the case and wasting the Court’s time since 2008.

81 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:15:41am

happy valentine’s day everybody!

82 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:16:45am

re: #80 lawhawk

What are their options in terms of sanctioning her?

83 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:26:26am

re: #80 lawhawk

Conference will be held tomorrow on Noonan v. Bowen (CA Sec. State) (the latest of Taitz’s birther cases) by the US Supreme Court.

Based on prior instances, this case will also end in the same fashion as all previous cases - hopefully with one key distinction. I’m hoping that some fat sanctions get slapped on Taitz for pushing the case and wasting the Court’s time since 2008.

How did the birther insanity reach SCOTUS?

84 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:33:11am

re: #82 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The Supreme Court can disbar her from the US Supreme Court bar. (Rule 8.2)

2. After reasonable notice and an opportunity to show cause why disciplinary action should not be taken, and after a hearing if material facts are in dispute, the Court may take any appropriate disciplinary action against any attorney who is admitted to practice before it for conduct unbecoming a member of the Bar or for failure to comply with these Rules or any Rule or order of the Court.

I know that there was CA bar action against Taitz back in 2010, but she wasn’t disbarred at that time (which is an indictment against their lax standards considering). Had she been disbarred by CA, the Supreme Court would have followed suit and disbarred her as well under Rule 8.1.

Sanctions could also be imposed under FRCP Rule 11 if the conditions are met assuming that there were papers submitted on that point.

85 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:35:18am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

Taitz has been pushing the same kind of action since 2008 - seeking a writ of certiorari (the right to be heard). In each prior instance, they’ve rejected it out of hand.

Justice Kennedy initially denied the current case, but Justice Roberts then decided to submit it to conference.

86 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:36:41am

re: #83 Vicious Babushka

How did the birther insanity reach SCOTUS?

Because there really is a zombie apocalypse. Instead of infected zombies running around trying to eat living humans, it happens on a more intellectual level. They just eat the brains, and the infection can pass through propaganda, blogs, and Facebook.

87 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:37:34am

Happy Valentine’s Day everyone. Here are some Puritan cards for your enjoyment.


Image: 73402_10151327890969472_2036906884_n.jpg

88 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:48:06am

Morning all!

Here for a short time.

So, if you don’t hear from me again, consider this a drive by wishing you-all a happy V-Day!

89 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:51:04am

re: #65 iossarian

The edition I’m re-reading (Arden) is the one I used to study it in high school - it has fantastic notes and a long introduction that covers a lot of the historical context. It doesn’t mention contemporary reaction as such, and obviously the historical record even of the plays themselves is somewhat shaky, what with the different surviving published versions etc. So presumably there’s just no data there.

It’s just amazingly dense with meaning. There are so many allusions to Hamlet’s state of mind, microcosms of the plot in single scenes or even fragments of speech and so on.

Upon reading Shakespeare again - years after graduation, I found this dictionary helpful:

Common Archaic Words in Shakespeare

[Link: www.shakespearestudyguide.com…]

90 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:53:30am

UK Prime Minister tweets in favor of One Billion Rising.

hmmmm, wonder how the Speaker of the House will vote for VAWA?

91 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:54:17am

re: #87 darthstar

Happy Valentine’s Day everyone. Here are some Puritan cards for your enjoyment.

Image: 73402_10151327890969472_2036906884_n.jpg

Actually Puritans were not the fun-haters as they are commonly stereotyped.

92 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:56:47am
Violence toward women and girls is not cultural. It is criminal. The European Commission and the European External Action Service remain fully committed to combatting all forms of gender-based violence both within the EU and in our external relations.”
93 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 7:58:12am

re: #91 Vicious Babushka

Actually Puritans were not the fun-haters as they are commonly stereotyped.

Well, I’m glad at least one of us is naked.

94 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:01:53am

re: #88 FemNaziBitch

Morning all!

Here for a short time.

So, if you don’t hear from me again, consider this a drive by wishing you-all a happy V-Day!

I’m hoping my wife has a happy V-Day later …
Oh wait, you meant Valentines day…

95 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:04:33am
96 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:09:38am

Good morning lizards!

97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:11:15am

Did the Puritans celebrate V-Day?

98 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:13:02am

When you love her enough to give the very best…

Image: hoa822.jpg

…and you want to see some titties.

99 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:13:43am

re: #98 darthstar

When you love her enough to give the very best…

Image: hoa822.jpg

…and you want to see some titties.

Not that I’ve ever been to Hooters, but are their wings ever ‘boneless’?

100 A Mom Anon  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:14:41am

re: #98 darthstar

Oh Ick. They really need to just. stop. Any guy thinking this is a great valentine’s thing HAS to be single, right?

101 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:15:36am
102 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:16:35am

Great story! I saw this on ESPN this morning.

Badass golfer bitten by venomous spider finishes her round

Daniela Holmqvist is of hardy Scandinavian stock, the kind of tough, no-nonsense lady you could imagine riding a covered wagon across the frozen Upper Midwest to settle in Sheboygan or Bismarck. The Swedish golfer was playing a pre-qualifying round in Australia on Tuesday when she was bitten by what she first identified as a black widow spider — but was perhaps a venomous redback spider — on the fourth hole of the Royal Canberra Golf Club. Instead of freaking out, Holmqvist got a tee out of her pocket, cut open the wound and squeezed the venom out. Then she finished the last 14 holes of her round, managing to shoot a 74. Badass.

103 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:16:47am

Wingnut valentine:

104 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:17:49am

WOLVEREENZ!1!

105 darthstar  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:18:56am

re: #100 A Mom Anon

Oh Ick. They really need to just. stop. Any guy thinking this is a great valentine’s thing HAS to be single, right?

Has to be or soon will be.

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:21:01am

So, how do you find out the password you set-up for a second email account on the same email server? I haven’t used it in over a year and don’t care to. I can’t figure out the password.

107 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:21:47am
108 The Mountain That Blogs  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:22:26am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

Nothing says I love you like pointing a few dozen guns at someone.

109 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:22:34am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

Because when I think of romance and valentines, I think of guns. WTF.

Those people are completely deranged.

110 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:22:43am

Tweety Pie:

111 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:22:52am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

North Korean Red Dawn closer than ever [Link: po.st…] via @worldnetdaily #Obama and #Kerrys weakness will leave us Vulnerable #TGDN

Something the bastards could do: set off an atmospheric burst just off the US west coast. Not enough to kill anybody, but the EMP would fry most of the computers on the west coast, plunging us into darkness nd chaos. The ensuing armed free-for-all would kill more Americans than any North Korean missile ever could…

And what would a measured retaliation be? A satellite image of N Korea shows us the death of targets

112 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:23:53am
113 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:24:25am
114 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:24:57am

This is gonna leave a bruise.

“I don’t understand that because he’s a gentleman, the speaker is,” Pelosi said in an interview with CNN published Wednesday. “But that remark was — I mean, it was almost as if he was projecting onto the president his lack of being able to pass any bill that created jobs since he became speaker.”

CNN’s Chris Cuomo clarified: “You think the speaker is projecting onto the president his own failure?”

“Exactly,” Pelosi said. “Because he hasn’t been able to deal with his own party. There isn’t anything that he passed that we haven’t’ delivered the votes for him that has been job-creating.”

115 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:24:59am

re: #112 Lidane

some people see monsters under their beds, even when they are not in the room!

116 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:25:23am

LOL @ the GOP taking the high ground on anything:

117 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:25:50am

Happy Valentines to all. We are going out to dinner at the locally famous Smokehouse. Started in 1946 right across the street from the Warner bros studio lot. best steak in the SFV. It’s a tradition as this is one of the two restaurants where my Dad dated Mom that are local and still open. Some of the staff is 3rd generation

118 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:26:02am

Duke mascot head stolen, placed on spike on UNC campus

The head of Duke’s Blue Devil mascot was stolen and placed on a pole â?? Game of Thrones style â?? above a University of North Carolina campus store prior to the teams’ Wednesday night showdown in Durham.

It’s evidently the latest prank in a long-running battle between the Tobacco Road rivals.

Mark Armstrong of WTVS in Raleigh/Durham says Duke confirmed one of its mascot heads is gone but the school has a spare. That’s a relief. I don’t know if Dick Vitale would have been able to handle it otherwise.

Last year, Duke students dressed Chapel Hill’s famous “Silent Sam” statue in a variety of Blue Devils gear. His head, mercifully, remained intact.

Heh.

Here’s a pic of the head

[Link: www.gannett-cdn.com…]

119 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:26:37am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

Except that military gear is hardened against EMP bursts. The military would emerge from a presumed EMP attack fine (and you’d have to target all US carrier task forces and individually operating subs as well, considering that each carries sufficient capabilities to render any small sized country to waste if warranted (via any combination of convention or nuclear arms).

120 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:27:23am

One photo to humble you today

All this just for us, some say.

121 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:28:12am

re: #119 lawhawk

Except that military gear is hardened against EMP bursts. The military would emerge from a presumed EMP attack fine (and you’d have to target all US carrier task forces and individually operating subs as well, considering that each carries sufficient capabilities to render any small sized country to waste if warranted (via any combination of convention or nuclear arms).

I agree, but think of the chaos in the cities on the west coast without light, telephone or utilities…it would be Americans going nuts and shooting other people that would cause the casualites.

122 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:28:13am

re: #73 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It totally wish I had two ovens. I’m going to have to cook the game hens and the potatoes at the same temp, which isn’t ideal, but I can put the potatoes on the bottom of the oven, which is where it’s hottest for me (gas-flame-plate oven) and that should work.

A trick that’ll help. After the game hens are between half and 2/3 done, 3/4 wrap them in foil and let them finish. That will keep the skin that’s exposed from burning. By 3/4 wrap I mean cover the tops and sides but leave the bottom exposed - and poke a small vent in the top. That’ll prevent them from steaming and losing the crisp of the skin.

123 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:28:31am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

Something the bastards could do: set off an atmospheric burst just off the US west coast. Not enough to kill anybody, but the EMP would fry most of the computers on the west coast, plunging us into darkness nd chaos. The ensuing armed free-for-all would kill more Americans than any North Korean missile ever could…

And what would a measured retaliation be? A satellite image of N Korea shows us the death of targets

I think North Korea has already tested an EMP—on themselves.//

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:32:54am

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So here’s the menu for what I’m making tonight:

Amuse bouche: Oysters on the half-shell with various dips

Appetizer: Ceviche of red snapper and tuna, with lime-blood orange citrus

Pasta: Linguine Carbonara, with fresh pasta. I use bacon, not guanciale.

Main course: Saffron-wild-rice stuffed cornish game hen.

Side: Duck-fat roasted potatoes.

Dessert: Goat-cheese chile chocolate popsicles.

All from scratch.

Booyeah, I’m excited.

Nice. We got given a turkey by my parents so it’s going to go into the oven today with a nice wild rice stuffing. Depending on how much drippings I get and how ambitious I’m feeling will determine if there is gravy or not.

125 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:32:59am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

Something the bastards could do: set off an atmospheric burst just off the US west coast. Not enough to kill anybody, but the EMP would fry most of the computers on the west coast, plunging us into darkness nd chaos. The ensuing armed free-for-all would kill more Americans than any North Korean missile ever could…

And what would a measured retaliation be? A satellite image of N Korea shows us the death of targets

I’m pretty confident the navy or the Alaska ABM site would take it out before detonation. And that is if we did not strike before launch.

126 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:33:12am

re: #111 Sol Berdinowitz

An effective EMP device is not the same as a more conventional one, which is all they have, and the area one can cover is not the entire West coast, nor every electronic device within range, and it would be an act of war that not even China would be able to stomach.

This stuff is the staple of conspiracy blogs.

127 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:33:48am

I’m not cooking anything tonite. Hubby out-of-town.

I left a heart-shaped box of Reese’s in his car.

Aren’t I romantic?

128 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:34:10am

Speaking of North Korea. South Korea claims that they found no radiation signatures from the test the other day. Either it was just a huge load of explosives, or the South Koreans are trying to lessen the panic.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

I’d think NK would want SK/Japan etc. to find traces of a nuke test.

129 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:34:26am

Didn’t they use EMP in Oceans 12?

That is about as much as I know about EMP.

130 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:35:38am

re: #119 lawhawk

Except that military gear is hardened against EMP bursts. The military would emerge from a presumed EMP attack fine (and you’d have to target all US carrier task forces and individually operating subs as well, considering that each carries sufficient capabilities to render any small sized country to waste if warranted (via any combination of convention or nuclear arms).

Consider the chaos on civilians. The military would have to protect us from each other as well, unfortunately.

131 Destro  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:35:47am

I blame commie scientists and their socialist Kenyan facts for this.

132 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:36:08am

Supergrass

I’m on kitchen duty today- laters :-)

133 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:38:24am

True. Ayn Rand was just a crazy atheist trying to shove her religion of unrestrained selfishness and greed at you.

134 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:40:57am

re: #128 efuseakay

Speaking of North Korea. South Korea claims that they found no radiation signatures from the test the other day. Either it was just a huge load of explosives, or the South Koreans are trying to lessen the panic.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

I’d think NK would want SK/Japan etc. to find traces of a nuke test.

It’s possible that the North managed to plug the access tunnel to their underground device. I doubt that they detonated conventional explosives to achieve the Mag. 5~ quake detected by geophysicists around the world. It would take a tremendous amount of explosives to do that - and even harder to detonate it all simultaneously to achieve anything like a nuclear test signature.

That said, the South could be trying to lessen the panic by hiding the details of what they discovered, but if radioactive particles were emitted from the site into the atmosphere, it wouldn’t be long before they’d be detected elsewhere downwind - say in Japan or the US - and they could trace back the origin and composition of the underlying nuclear reactions.

Occam’s Razor.

135 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:41:20am

re: #133 Lidane

True. Ayn Rand was just a crazy atheist trying to shove her religion of unrestrained selfishness and greed at you.

Conservatives are all Jesusy when it comes to denying women control of their bodies, persecuting gays and not teaching evolution, but they are all Ayn Randy when it comes to helping the poor.

136 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:41:51am

re: #128 efuseakay

Speaking of North Korea. South Korea claims that they found no radiation signatures from the test the other day. Either it was just a huge load of explosives, or the South Koreans are trying to lessen the panic.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

I’d think NK would want SK/Japan etc. to find traces of a nuke test.

South Korea has sent a signal to NK that they aren’t playing games.

S. Korea signals deployment of new cruise missile after North’s nuke test

SEOUL — Two days after North Korea’s nuclear test, South Korea signaled Thursday the deployment of a new cruise missile capable of a precision strike on members of Pyongyang’s high command.

The defense ministry called in reporters for a special video presentation of the recently deployed missile being fired from a warship and a submarine.

“The cruise missile unveiled today is a precision-guided weapon that can identify and strike the office window of the North’s command headquarters,” ministry spokesman Kim Min-seok told reporters.

It has “deadly destructive power” that could “restrain the enemy headquarters’ activities” during wartime, Kim said.

South Korea’s military has been on a heightened state of alert ever since Pyongyang first threatened the nuclear test which was eventually conducted on Tuesday.

137 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:44:26am

Boehner Offers No Hints On Violence Against Women Act

“I expect the House will act in a timely fashion in some way,” Boehner said at a weekly press briefing in Washington.

Maybe Cantor hasn’t told him yet what to say?

138 erik_t  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:44:59am

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

“I expect the House will act in a timely fashion in some way,”

Leadership.

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:45:11am

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

Conservatives are all Jesusy when it comes to denying women control of their bodies, persecuting gays and not teaching evolution, but they are all Ayn Randy when it comes to helping the poor.

Just like they reject Evolution but totally embrace Social Darwinism.

140 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:46:09am

re: #139 Sol Berdinowitz

Just like they reject Evolution but totally embrace Social Darwinism.

Except that Social Darwinism requires a certain amount of altruism for a society to advance.

141 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:46:33am

re: #121 Sol Berdinowitz

I agree, but think of the chaos in the cities on the west coast without light, telephone or utilities…it would be Americans going nuts and shooting other people that would cause the casualites.

How many people got shot in the Northeast blackout of 2003?

142 HappyWarrior  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:48:06am

re: #133 Lidane

True. Ayn Rand was just a crazy atheist trying to shove her religion of unrestrained selfishness and greed at you.

They pick and choose the worst attributes from both. But yeah let’s ignore that conservatives are the ones who bitch about separation of church and state and make statements like Hitler came up with the concept.

143 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:48:10am

The Dumbest Man on the Internet rolls on:

144 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:48:41am

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

Or Hurricane Sandy, or other natural disasters affecting a wide area (Bay Area Quake of 1989?).

Talk of looting is more reminiscent of the 1977 blackout in NYC than the 2005 blackout or other recent natural disasters. Most of the time, claims of looting are overblown, along with the concerns of same.

145 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:50:19am

re: #133 Lidane

OK, not all conservatives are crazy religious fundamentalists trying to shove their fundamentalist religion down your throats. Only about 80% are. /

146 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:51:22am

Have a great day all —taking Grandma to lunch for V-Day!

147 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:51:41am
148 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:53:26am

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

They cite World Nut Daily as if we should all just bow down at the awesomesauceness of that great depository of investigative journamalism.

149 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:54:25am

re: #143 Lidane

The Dumbest Man on the Internet rolls on:

Reality? Created a definition of assault weapon (Please, let’s not beat the horse on whether that’s a good term or not) and large capacity magazine, declared possession to be a class C felony, and gave currently legal owners 90 days to get them out of the state, render them inoperable, destroy them, or meet the legal qualifications for ownership. (Government with need to use, FFLs, and manufacturers with government contracts.)

But yeah, it’s the Anonymous theory of control: Any is too much.

(eta: the bill.)

150 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:54:31am

Last night I entertained the idea of not blogging for Lent.

I lasted about 12 hours, most of that was spent sleeping.

151 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:55:48am

re: #150 Bulworth

Last night I entertained the idea of not blogging for Lent.

I lasted about 12 hours, most of that was spent sleeping.

Yeah, I gave up giving up stuff for lent.

152 simoom  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:55:58am

re: #116 Lidane

That’s a nice sentiment from Grenell, but the problem is so many invented-from-whole-cloth Hagel smears are now repeated as articles of faith within the right-wing echo chamber that the pressure on congress-critters from their nutty base keeps increasing.

A good example is the Breit-brat invented “Friends of Hamas”:

Weigel: “Friends of Hamas”: The Scary-Sounding Pro-Hagel Group That Doesn’t Actually Exist

Mini-breitbrat Ben Shapiro put a rumor out there that further financial disclosure, perhaps through revealing the Atlantic Council’s donors, might turn up the made up group, “Friends of Hamas.” GOP Senators demanded Hagel disclose that information even though it wasn’t in his power to do so. The Atlantic Council voluntarily released their funding information, which of course placated no-one.

Still, more mainstream RW news sources like National Review, and FOX are repeating the smear, referencing back to the breitbart rumor. Even GOP senators roll with it when it comes up in RW-interviews.

This is all of-a-piece with Sen. Cruz & Sen. Inhofe tossing out random suggestions that Hagel just might have been financed by Saudi Arabi or North Korea, or that it wasn’t possible to be “cozier” with Iran than they claim Hagel is.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:58:06am

Iranian general reportedly assassinated while traveling from Syria

BEIRUT — A high-ranking member of Iran’s Revolutionary Guard Corps was assassinated this week while traveling from Syria to neighboring Lebanon, Iranian media reported Thursday, in the strongest indication to date that senior Iranian military commanders have been dispatched to Syria.

Gen. Hassan Shateri was killed Tuesday by “unknown gunmen,” described as “suspected Israeli agents,” as he was on the road between the Syrian capital of Damascus and Beirut, the capital of Lebanon, various Iranian news agencies reported.

…The Iranian media accounts did not specify exactly where the general was killed, but they labeled the death an “assassination,” indicating that he was targeted. If his death occurred in Syria, Shateri would be the first senior Iranian commander publicly known to have been killed in the Syrian conflict.

…Reuters reported that Syrian rebels took credit for the attack. The Iranian general was killed near the Syrian town of Zabadani, close to the Lebanese border, a rebel commander told Reuters.

154 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 8:59:34am

re: #143 Lidane

libsrclowns Dave Johnson • 20 minutes ago
Come get my guns you effing Libtards. Good luck.

Dank Wax libsrclowns • 8 minutes ago −
That’s what Dorner said. BBQ Time!

Bob Jones Dave Johnson • 10 minutes ago
Good luck knocking on doors and confiscating this private property from your taxpayers and citizens.

Just a few of the top comments I saw :)

155 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:01:38am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Iranian general reportedly assassinated while traveling from Syria

hmmmm….that’s interesting.

156 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:01:56am

re: #144 lawhawk

Or Hurricane Sandy, or other natural disasters affecting a wide area (Bay Area Quake of 1989?).

Talk of looting is more reminiscent of the 1977 blackout in NYC than the 2005 blackout or other recent natural disasters. Most of the time, claims of looting are overblown, along with the concerns of same.

Americans also undergo a galvanizing effect when we feel collectively under attack. More than anything else the authorities’ biggest problem would be figuring out how to deal with the huge outpouring of volunteers.

157 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:10:01am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

hmmmm….that’s interesting.

Even though the rebels have claimed responsibility the Iranians are pointing fingers at Israel.


Israel blamed for death of Iranian general in Lebanon

An Iranian independent news website reported early Thursday morning that Gen. Hassan Shateri was killed by “mercenaries of the Zionist regime,” but provided no details about his death. The semi-official FARS news agency confirmed the report a few hours later.

Guards spokesman Gen. Ramazan Sharif was quoted by Fars as saying “mercenaries and supporters” of Israel were responsible.

They also got another Iranian leader too.

A second senior Iranian official was reported killed Wednesday in an attack on his car after he crossed from Syria into Lebanon.

The man, Hossam Khosh Newes, was killed by “armed terrorist groups” — a blanket term that Syria and Iran use to designate opposition forces — the Iranian Embassy was quoted in The New York Times as saying.

It wasn’t immediately clear whether Newes was traveling with Shateri at the time of the attack, and whether the two incidents were related.

158 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:11:01am

re: #144 lawhawk

Or Hurricane Sandy, or other natural disasters affecting a wide area (Bay Area Quake of 1989?).

Talk of looting is more reminiscent of the 1977 blackout in NYC than the 2005 blackout or other recent natural disasters. Most of the time, claims of looting are overblown, along with the concerns of same.

But it’s newsworthy (read: it bleeds) and so it gets attention, and everyone reinforces the attention talking about it. Suddenly it’s hordes of looters against which we all need to be armed.

159 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:12:06am

re: #158 kirkspencer

But it’s newsworthy (read: it bleeds) and so it gets attention, and everyone reinforces the attention talking about it. Suddenly it’s hordes of looters against which we all need to be armed.

Imagine the looter’s surprise when the 60” flat screen TV he stole during power outage doesn’t turn on when he plugs it in!

160 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:16:32am

re: #159 Vicious Babushka

Imagine the looter’s surprise when the 60” flat screen TV he stole during power outage doesn’t turn on when he plugs it in!

AHA!
I looted a generator and fuel!
HAHAHAHA!
/

161 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:17:15am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

re: #155 Killgore Trout

hmmmm….that’s interesting.

No it’s not.

Now Marco reaching for a sip of H2O,,, now THATS interesting!!!
//

162 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:21:18am

On this day in 1970, The Who recorded the greatest live album of all time.

163 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:25:44am

re: #161 sattv4u2

re: #155 Killgore Trout

No it’s not.

Now Marco reaching for a sip of H2O,,, now THATS interesting!!!
//

Now now, we have to remember what should be most the important news that must be reported.

164 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:25:57am

re: #161 sattv4u2

Marco Rubio drinking water during his speech wasn’t interesting.

The fact that he gave Mitt Romney’s stump speech in two languages and couldn’t get through it without coming across as a rank amateur and hypocrite was what was interesting.

165 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:31:01am
166 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:31:27am

It’s a good thing George Bush still isn’t President or else they’d REALLY hate us!!

[Link: www.gallup.com…]

167 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:32:40am

I wonder if people are just going to jump overboard and swim for it.

168 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:34:12am

re: #167 Vicious Babushka

I’m amazed they didn’t have an old-fashioned mutiny days ago.

169 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:35:49am

re: #168 Lidane

I’m amazed they didn’t have an old-fashioned mutiny days ago.

Mutiny against what?

170 erik_t  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:36:34am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

Mutiny against what?

Set the generators adrift in a lifeboat; throw the breadfruit overboard.

171 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:37:33am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

Mutiny against what?

Keel-haul something. It would have made them feel better for a bit.

172 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:38:02am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

Mutiny against what?

I claim this ship in the name of the Empire!

173 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:38:16am

Ah yes. Someone left a link to some flapdoodle by the notorious whiner and tool, Max Blumenthal, in my Dorner victim page. I’m surprised that Max didn’t make any IDF analogies to this. He essentially accuses the media of colluding with law enforcement. The link was worded to include a poisoning of the well by accusing the media of lynching poor, poor Dorner. Sympathy for the devil. Whatever.

174 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:39:37am

re: #169 Vicious Babushka

Mutiny against what?

Does it matter? I would think after people started fighting over food and giving literal meaning to the phrase “poop deck”, some sort of Lord of the Flies scenario would have been inevitable.

175 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:40:08am

re: #173 Gus

Ah yes. Someone left a link to some flapdoodle by the notorious whiner and tool, Max Blumenthal, in my Dorner victim page. I’m surprised that Max didn’t make any IDF analogies to this. He essentially accuses the media of colluding with law enforcement. The link was worded to include a poisoning of the well by accusing the media of lynching poor, poor Dorner. Sympathy for the devil. Whatever.

Last paragraph…

[moonbat]Yet no element in the Dorner drama was more disturbing than the performance of mainstream media. At every point, major news outlets complied with law enforcement calls for self-censorship, and still demonstrate little interest in determining how and why a lethal fire started on a snow-covered mountain in the dead of winter. As a quintessentially American tragedy reaches its denouement, the truth remains buried beneath a smoldering pile of ashes.[/moonbat]

Quintessentially American tragedy? [Spit.]

176 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:40:20am

re: #173 Gus

He essentially accuses the media of colluding with law enforcement
by accusing the media of lynching poor, poor Dorner

If they (the media) was colluding with LE then they (the media) didn’t LYNCH Dorner, they FRIED him

Geeezzz Max, get it right!!!

177 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:40:51am

re: #171 makeitstop

Keel-haul something. It would have made them feel better for a bit.

In the old days they just crapped in a bucket and threw the crap overboard. Now they have to keep the bags of poo all lined up outside the staterooms.

178 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:41:50am

re: #174 Lidane

Does it matter? I would think after people started fighting over food and giving literal meaning to the phrase “poop deck”, some sort of Lord of the Flies scenario would have been inevitable.

We won’t know until the ship gets into port and they take a head count and match it to the passenger manifest.

There might be some missing undocumented crew members.

179 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:42:00am

re: #176 sattv4u2

He essentially accuses the media of colluding with law enforcement
by accusing the media of lynching poor, poor Dorner

If they (the media) was colluding with LE then they (the media) didn’t LYNCH Dorner, they FRIED him

Geeezzz Max, get it right!!!

Here’s a cached link.

180 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:42:13am

re: #175 Gus

how and why a lethal fire started on a snow-covered mountain in the dead of winter.
Yeah. Because in all of history there’s never been a fire in the winter in New England,, ESPECIALLY in houses with ,, well, FIRE places !!!

181 gwangung  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:43:09am

re: #173 Gus

Ah yes. Someone left a link to some flapdoodle by the notorious whiner and tool, Max Blumenthal, in my Dorner victim page. I’m surprised that Max didn’t make any IDF analogies to this. He essentially accuses the media of colluding with law enforcement. The link was worded to include a poisoning of the well by accusing the media of lynching poor, poor Dorner. Sympathy for the devil. Whatever.

[Link: m.theatlantic.com…]

If that flapdoodle is mouthing that off, then I get to accuse him of ignoring the Asian American victim of Dorner.

182 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:43:14am

re: #180 sattv4u2

why a lethal fire started on a snow-covered mountain in the dead of winter.
Yeah. Because in all of history there’s never been a fire in the winter in New England,, ESPECIALLY in houses with ,, well, FIRE places !!!

I know, right. Total derp.

183 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:43:43am

re: #175 Gus

Last paragraph…

Quintessentially American tragedy? [Spit.]

Invertible morality on display.

184 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:44:00am

re: #182 Gus

I know, right. Total derp.

[moonbat]STOP THE WINGNUT MONOPOLY ON DERP!1![/moonbat]

185 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:45:24am

re: #181 gwangung

[Link: m.theatlantic.com…]

Excerpt…

I don’t really know how anyone, with any sort of coherence, adopts Christopher Dorner as a symbol in the fight against police brutality, given how he brutalized those two human beings. I cannot understand, except to say that sometimes our own anger, our pain, becomes so blinding that we fail to see the pain of others. This is the seed of inhumanity, and inhumanity is the seed of the very police brutality which we all deplore.

I would add that he brutalized 4 human beings. Nonetheless I like the point made there. It’s truly astonishing.

186 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:46:10am

re: #180 sattv4u2

why a lethal fire started on a snow-covered mountain in the dead of winter.
Yeah. Because in all of history there’s never been a fire in the winter in New England,, ESPECIALLY in houses with ,, well, FIRE places !!!

I took a look around again this morning. Media outlets still reporting terms like “incendiary devices” and even “pyrotechnics”. Just plain irresponsible journalism.

187 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:47:00am

re: #182 Gus

I know, right. Total derp.

It’s good that all those firemen in the USA north of 40degrees can take the entire winter off!!!

188 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:47:08am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I took a look around again this morning. Media outlets still reporting terms like “incendiary devices” and even “pyrotechnics”. Just plain irresponsible journalism.

But according to that blockhead Max the media is colluding with law enforcement.

189 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:47:48am

I read somewhere that the crew to passenger ratio on the cruise ship Carnival Triumph was 1 to 3

190 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:48:50am

re: #188 Gus

But according to that blockhead Max the media is colluding with law enforcement.

Come to think of it, the word “lynching” was most likely placed there as a dog whistle, seeing that the “victim” (gag,, spit) was black

191 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:49:04am

Speaking of the cruise from hell, I just got a surprise on FB. A friend of mine from grad school is on that ship. She just posted this:

Close to the Alabama coast now. Lucky to be alive and safe. I should be back in Chicago tomorrow afternoon. Thank you all for your messages - this has been a rough week.

I can only imagine the stories she’s going to have about this.

192 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:49:32am

re: #190 sattv4u2

Come to think of it, the word “lynching” was most likely placed there as a dog whistle, seeing that the “victim” (gag,, spit) was black

Of course it was.

193 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:49:56am

re: #191 Lidane

Speaking of the cruise from hell, I just got a surprise on FB. A friend of mine from grad school is on that ship. She just posted this:

I can only imagine the stories she’s going to have about this.

Stories, and vouchers for future cruises

194 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:49:58am

re: #189 Flounder

I read somewhere that the crew to passenger ratio on the cruise ship Carnival Triumph was 1 to 3

The Triumph has 3,143 passengers and 1,086 crew on board.

195 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:51:29am

re: #191 Lidane

Speaking of the cruise from hell, I just got a surprise on FB. A friend of mine from grad school is on that ship. She just posted this:

I can only imagine the stories she’s going to have about this.

CNN has a live feed of the Carnival Triumph arriving to port.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

197 Flounder  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:52:39am

Thankyou Alouette, I get tired, lazy, and a litlle surly after lunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

198 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:53:01am

My mom takes a cruise every year. Last year she offered to pay for me and Zedushka to take a cruise for our 40th anniversary. This was right after the Costa Concordia disaster. We flew to Amsterdam & Israel instead.

199 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:53:07am

What I don’t understand is why they didn’t send another ship out there to rescue all those passengers at the beginning. They knew right away how bad it was on that ship.

200 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:54:23am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

What I don’t understand is why they didn’t send another ship out there to rescue all those passengers at the beginning. They knew right away how bad it was on that ship.

transferring 4000 people from one ship to another in the middle of the gulf, not exactly a cakewalk

201 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:54:41am

re: #194 Vicious Babushka

Why on earth would anyone want to be stuck on a boat with that many people, even under normal circumstances? Why would a company operating something less than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier want to stick that many people on a boat?

202 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:55:05am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

What I don’t understand is why they didn’t send another ship out there to rescue all those passengers at the beginning. They knew right away how bad it was on that ship.

Huge ship (floating 14-story building) without power in high seas. No way to operate the lifeboats. Can’t land a helicopter on deck—too far out at sea to be reached by heli. Too dangerous for another large ship to get close.

203 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:55:21am

re: #141 goddamnedfrank

How many people got shot in the Northeast blackout of 2003?

That was a blackout and not an attack by a foreign nation. And it was the Northeast. ;)

204 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:55:25am
205 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:56:15am

re: #204 Gus

Really? Katrina?

IT’S LIKE A FLOATING HOLOCAUST!1!

206 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:56:30am

re: #199 NJDhockeyfan

re: #200 sattv4u2

transferring 4000 people from one ship to another in the middle of the gulf, not exactly a cakewalk

too many variables
too much chance of people getting injured

From Alouette’s #196
”,,,,Baker also said she saw one woman pass out.”

I’m sure more than one would “pass out” being zip lined between cruise ships

207 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:57:09am

re: #204 Gus

Really? Katrina?

Yes
The buffet table was TOTALLY out of fresh squeezed grapefruit juice

oh, the humanity!!

208 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:57:14am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

TEH FLOATING CRUISE SHIP GULAG!!

209 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:57:58am

re: #193 sattv4u2

Stories, and vouchers for future cruises

If it was me, I’d ask for cash upfront instead of vouchers. I wouldn’t go on a Carnival cruise after something like this.

210 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:58:20am

re: #206 sattv4u2

re: #200 sattv4u2

too many variables
too much chance of people getting injured

From Alouette’s #196
”,,,,Baker also said she saw one woman pass out.”

I’m sure more than one would “pass out” being zip lined between cruise ships

If the lifeboats can’t be lowered into the sea, then bring the sea to the lifeboats.

Scuttle the ship and as it sinks, the lifeboats will become useful again.

211 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:58:49am

re: #209 Lidane

If it was me, I’d ask for cash upfront instead of vouchers. I wouldn’t go on a Carnival cruise after something like this.

I’m sure the passengers will get total refunds along with the vouchers

212 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:58:55am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I took a look around again this morning. Media outlets still reporting terms like “incendiary devices” and even “pyrotechnics”. Just plain irresponsible journalism.

Tear gas grenades are incendiary devices. They can start fires. This is not their main purpose, but it is a very acknowledged risk when using them.

Why do you want the media to not report something true?

213 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:19am

I imagine it sucks but comparing it to other events is ridiculous.

214 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:21am

re: #211 sattv4u2

I’m sure the passengers will get total refunds along with the vouchers

And some really nice parting gifts.

215 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:51am

re: #206 sattv4u2

re: #200 sattv4u2

too many variables
too much chance of people getting injured

From Alouette’s #196
”,,,,Baker also said she saw one woman pass out.”

I’m sure more than one would “pass out” being zip lined between cruise ships

I keep thinking about the children on there walking around with bags of feces all over the place and very little food. It really disgusts me.

216 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:52am

re: #210 b_sharp

If the lifeboats can’t be lowered into the sea, then bring the sea to the lifeboats.

Scuttle the ship and as it sinks, the lifeboats will become useful again.

well,, 1st you have to teach everyone how to do this

Image: c757f1a017647b48966d46320fd41d05.jpg

217 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:55am
218 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:58am

re: #212 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Tear gas grenades are incendiary devices. They can start fires. This is not their main purpose, but it is a very acknowledged risk when using them.

Why do you want the media to not report something true?

The media forgot to report that Dorner was firing lethal bullets at the cops. Get it? Lethal bullets?

219 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 9:59:59am

re: #213 Gus

I imagine it sucks but comparing it to other events is ridiculous.

Worse than Alderaan.

220 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:00:37am

Teh incendiary tear gas and teh lethal bullets! This is a great American tragedy!!

221 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:00:48am

Drones.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:00:52am

re: #211 sattv4u2

I’m sure the passengers will get total refunds along with the vouchers

I’m sure their lawyers are salivating over the coming lawsuits.

223 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:00:56am

When we were younger my wife thought I packed an impressive incendiary device. Now she thinks its just a puff of smoke.

224 calochortus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:01:02am

re: #121 Sol Berdinowitz

We won’t be shooting each other as long as the wine cellars aren’t emptied before the power comes back on.

225 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:01:10am

IT’S JUST LIKE THE TITANIC, EXCEPT A SHITBERG INSTEAD OF AN ICEBERG!1!

226 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:01:14am

re: #220 Gus

Teh incendiary tear gas and teh lethal bullets! This is a great American tragedy!!

And don’t forget the LYNCHINGS!

227 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:02:20am

re: #226 sattv4u2

And don’t forget the LYNCHINGS!

Drownable water environments.

228 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:02:46am

re: #218 Gus

The media forgot to report that Dorner was firing lethal bullets at the cops. Get it? Lethal bullets?

No, I don’t. The main point of a bullet is to be lethal. The main point of tear gas grenades is to emit tear gas. They are also, however, incindiary. They can start fires. If the police were firing bullets that were also white hot and could start fires, then they should be called incindiary bullets even if their main purpose isn’t to start fires.

Especially in a case where, you know, the grenades may have started a fire or contributed to the starting of a fire.

Because the average person isn’t going to know that tear gas grenades are incendiary. I didn’t, before this.

There are people who are going to make a conspiracy about this, and claim that the cops set fire to the building on purpose. That those people exist doesn’t mean we should bend over backwards to try to de-emphasize that tear gas grenades can cause fires.

229 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:02:46am
230 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:02:50am

Incendiary matches.

231 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:02:53am

This ship looks like it’s turning around right now.

232 Lidane  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:03:18am

re: #212 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Why do you want the media to not report something true?

Becuz tehre r stoopid ppl on teh intertubez! Tehy mite hav conspiraceez!

////

233 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:03:27am

re: #193 sattv4u2

Stories, and vouchers for future cruises

And once the passengers get on dry land with their photos on their iPhones and cameras there will be a great outpouring on the internet.

And a major network will do Survivor: Broken Cruise Ship within a year.

234 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:03:38am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

This ship looks like it’s turning around right now.

Going back out to the gulf!?!?!
/

235 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:04:11am

re: #234 sattv4u2

Going back out to the gulf!?!?!
/

Wrong port!
//

236 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:04:53am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Wrong port!
//

starboard?

237 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:05:01am

re: #235 NJDhockeyfan

Wrong port!
//

I thought the saying was “Any port in a shit storm”.

238 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:05:11am

LOL. They signed up to exploit third world labor on a foreign flagged vessel operating in international waters. My sympathy abounds.

239 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:05:43am

re: #236 sattv4u2

starboard?

Port isn’t just something to drown your sorrows in.

240 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:05:53am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Hey Trout, what’s up with you yesterday invoking the oh-so-scary spectre of Bill Ayers as some kind of both-sides-do-it proof that Democrats mainline the crazies?

241 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:07:24am

re: #239 b_sharp

Port isn’t just something to drown your sorrows in.

Especially if you’ve got dry sack.

242 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:07:56am

re: #241 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Especially if you’ve got dry sack.

Your wife’s been complaining, huh?

243 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:09:00am

Is that a lighthouse the ship is about to pass?

244 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:09:09am

Brrr.

245 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:09:30am

re: #240 Shvaughn

Hey Trout, what’s up with you yesterday invoking the oh-so-scary spectre of Bill Ayers as some kind of both-sides-do-it proof that Democrats mainline the crazies?

Here’s a thought

Downding him!

246 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:09:46am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Is that a lighthouse the ship is about to pass?

Yes. Entrance to Mobile Bay.

247 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:09:58am

re: #243 NJDhockeyfan

Is that a lighthouse the ship is about to pass?

I would have no idea as to the weight of that house!

248 Mattand  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:10:18am

re: #240 Shvaughn

Hey Trout, what’s up with you yesterday invoking the oh-so-scary spectre of Bill Ayers as some kind of both-sides-do-it proof that Democrats mainline the crazies?

I think you answered your own question there.

249 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:10:21am

So, any conservatives here care to respond to this one?
re: #5 stabby

I sometimes ask conservatives if, when islands and coasts are below water, and global warming can no longer be denied, if they will regret having tied their political sleigh to the star of climate conspiracy theories.

250 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:10:30am

re: #247 sattv4u2

I would have no idea as to the weight of that house!

It does seem erect right now.

251 erik_t  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:10:49am

re: #228 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, I don’t. The main point of a bullet is to be lethal. The main point of tear gas grenades is to emit tear gas. They are also, however, incindiary. They can start fires. If the police were firing bullets that were also white hot and could start fires, then they should be called incindiary bullets even if their main purpose isn’t to start fires.

Combusting tear gas grenades, sure. The word ‘incendiary’ more often means that the device is designed to start fires.

‘Incendiary tear gas grenade’ is technically true but, IMHO, more misleading than clarifying. Especially when superior alternatives exist in the language.

252 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:11:00am

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims. I’m willing to bet that Dorner’s Facebook memorials will get more likes that all the victims combined.

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:11:08am

re: #249 Varek Raith

So, any conservatives here care to respond to this one?

They will simply reply that reality has failed conservatism. Of course.

254 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:11:44am

re: #252 Gus

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims. I’m willing to bet that Dorner’s Facebook memorials will get more likes that all the victims combined.

{sigh}

255 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:11:53am

re: #252 Gus

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims. I’m willing to bet that Dorner’s Facebook memorials will get more likes that all the victims combined.

So they set the house on fire. He had a chance to come out, but I suppose he did not plan on being taken alive.

256 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:12:41am

re: #254 sattv4u2

{sigh}

But gun violence! Right. Talk to the hand.

257 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:13:04am

re: #244 Gus

Brrr.

Aaron???

258 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:13:50am

re: #252 Gus

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims.

I suspect that if the cops hadn’t shot up innocent people early on in this incident, there would be a lot fewer people thinking maybe they did something dodgy in the resolution.

259 efuseakay  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:13:51am

re: #249 Varek Raith

So, any conservatives here care to respond to this one?

Screw the coasts… the Bible Belt is where it’s at! (aside from all those tornadoes and stuffs)

260 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:14:03am

re: #252 Gus

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims. I’m willing to bet that Dorner’s Facebook memorials will get more likes that all the victims combined.

Like you said…

Ex-LAPD cop gains sympathizers on social media

Los Angeles (CNN) — The life and apparent death of the ex-Los Angeles Police Department cop who declared war against police corruption has generated a social media fringe of fans who are asserting that Christopher Jordan Dorner was really a hero seeking justice, despite being a suspect in four killings.

The sympathizers have garnered 18,336 supporters on a Facebook page entitled “We Stand With Christopher Dorner.” The online group has posted Dorner’s manifesto against corrupt police — a document that was “scrubbed by mainstream media outlets,” the webpage charges.

Another Facebook page, “We Are All Chris Dorner,” had 3,819 “likes,” or followers, with 6,620 people talking about the page devoted to how the 6-foot, 270-pound Dorner was “the victim of a manhunt and smear campaign. 5 years ago he was fired from the LAPD for seeking to expose corruption within it.”

261 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:14:19am

re: #251 erik_t

Combusting tear gas grenades, sure. The word ‘incendiary’ more often means that the device is designed to start fires.

‘Incendiary tear gas grenade’ is technically true but, IMHO, more misleading than clarifying. Especially when superior alternatives exist in the language.

That’s just it. Tear gas is not designed to cause fires. That they can cause fires is a well known fact and incidental. A Molotov cocktail on the other hand is designed to cause fires. Also, this “incendiary tear gas” talking point was adopted by the WACO heads.

262 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:14:26am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

It does seem erect right now.

You have porn in the other window, huh!!

263 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:15:36am

re: #261 Gus

That they can cause fires is a well known fact an incidental

Ruh roh

I just noticed there are two sticks in my yard!!
//

264 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:15:54am

re: #251 erik_t

Combusting tear gas grenades, sure. The word ‘incendiary’ more often means that the device is designed to start fires.

‘Incendiary tear gas grenade’ is technically true but, IMHO, more misleading than clarifying. Especially when superior alternatives exist in the language.

What’s the superior alternative? The fire may have started by these tear gas grenades that burn very hot and therefore can start fires?

The phraseology is a little awkward but it’s not like a fire breaking out was something the cops were trying to avoid. It wasn’t a desired outcome, but they were using stuff they knew could start the fire.

And I am fine with that. And I’ll happily defend the cops escalation to the tear gas, even if it started the fire, all the live long day.

265 sattv4u2  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:17:40am

BBIAB

Doggies treat cabinet seems a tad light, and they don’t know how to drive to Wal Mart

266 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:18:37am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

I took a look around again this morning. Media outlets still reporting terms like “incendiary devices” and even “pyrotechnics”. Just plain irresponsible journalism.

It’s absolutely accurate to call the CS canisters used by police “incendiary.” They are devices which burn. The term for that is “incendiary.” It’s what they’re called.

267 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:19:02am

re: #252 Gus

Rather amazing how so many people on the internets are so “concerned” about how a cold blooded murderer was killed rather than thinking about this psychopath’s victims. I’m willing to bet that Dorner’s Facebook memorials will get more likes that all the victims combined.

I’m not in the least bit concerned about how he was killed. I’m weirded out that people don’t want to call something that starts fires— and may have started a fire in this case— an incendiary device because they’re afraid of some mass wave of sympathy for a murdering fuckhead. The assholes on the fringes will wail about it, but they’re on the fringes, they have no power, they have no grip on control.

Reporters should stress— and I’ve seen it put in nearly every story I’ve read— that this is a commonly-used tear gas, often used against barricaded people. But to say that reporters are wrong for calling something which may have started the fire an incendiary device, to me, that’s looney-tunes.

268 Gus  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:20:05am

Whatever. Later.

269 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:21:53am

Critics of the media’s role have at least a partial point. I remember the absurdity of hearing one television reporter declare that they were no longer going to tweet about the then-ongoing incident, as well as urging everyone else listening to also abstain from tweeting, as that was a request from the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s office.

I laughed cuz, yeah, right, asking people not to tweet about something is probably the surest way to get them to tweet.

270 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:22:35am

re: #267 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have to agree. The word “incendiary” is the correct word to describe those devices; they work by burning chemicals.

It’s not “sympathizing” with Dorner to use the correct words for things.

271 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:24:26am

re: #270 Charles Johnson

It’s not “sympathizing” with Dorner to use the correct words for things.

People seem really quick to accuse other people of being Dorner supporters.

272 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 10:28:54am

re: #271 Shvaughn

I used the word “incendiary” yesterday, and it’s pretty clear that there’s a little of the old passive aggressive stuff going on here again.

I’ll continue to use it to describe devices which are incendiary.

I’ve already said, as clearly as I possibly can, that I have no sympathy for Dorner.

273 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Feb 14, 2013 11:26:43am

re: #162 makeitstop

On this day in 1970, The Who recorded the greatest live album of all time.

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The “Magic Bus” performed live.

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The hot temperament consequently tends to dominate in the ranks of the media. And the media love nothing quite so much as a politician who shares their disposition. It's not a coincidence that McCain is, on a durable basis, ...

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Randall Gross
Ferguson Police Committed Human Rights Abuses During Michael Brown Protests, Amnesty International Claims
Police in Ferguson, Missouri, committed human rights abuses as they sought to quell mostly peaceful protests that erupted after an officer killed an unarmed black teenager, an international human rights organization said in a report released on Friday. The ...

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EiMitch
Cracked: 6 Halloween Pranks for Sociopaths With Unlimited Budgets
cracked.com America's No. 1 holiday celebrating violence and candy is just around the corner, and this year it looks to be better than ever, as the glorious union of art and technology has given us several exciting new ways to ...

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Souliren
Natalie MacMaster Fiddle school
This is a short (under two minute) video of Natalie teaching a technique for "Athole Brose," in Cape Breton style.

4 days, 20 hours ago
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MichaelJ
Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater’s 540 Air
More: Amazing RED Camera Footage Kelly Slater's 540 Air There's a reason why people refer to 11-time world champ Kelly Slater as "the king". This clip/maneuver is yet another ground-breaking moment in the history of surfing.

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Rightwingconspirator
1934 Had Worst Drought of Last Thousand Years-We Made It Worse
"It was the worst by a large margin, falling pretty far outside the normal range of variability that we see in the record," said climate scientist Ben Cook at NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York. Cook ...

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The Scablands: A scarred landscape as strange as fiction
arstechnica.com

1 week, 4 days ago
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blah blah ad hominem mumbo jumbo.
Daniel Johnston-True Love Will Find You In The End.
A simple, imperfect, brilliant song, by a fascinating man. Link

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Bubblehead II
High Court Lifts Hold on Gay Marriage in Idaho
[large]YES![/large] WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court says same-sex marriage can go ahead in Idaho. More: High Court Lifts Hold on Gay Marriage in Idaho [large]YES![/large]

1 week, 6 days ago
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 Frank says:

When we talk about artistic freedom in this country we sometimes lose sight of the fact that freedom is dependent on adequate financing.