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1 darthstar  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:23:04pm

When nipples are outlawed, only outlaws will have nipples.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

2 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:24:02pm

re: #1 darthstar

When nipples are outlawed, only outlaws will have nipples.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

So, Men can’t take off their shirts either?

3 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:26:15pm

Nope just read the first lines of the proposed legislation, only applies to human female breast.

4 darthstar  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:27:53pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

So, Men can’t take off their shirts either?

I’m sending that asshole a picture of one of my nipples.

5 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:29:10pm

No shirt, no service?

I bet that guy services himself with his pants off every night.

6 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:30:57pm

I see it as discriminatory. I think they would have figured-out by now they can’t single out one set of breasts because of the type of parts that are below it.

Well, it’s pretty damn stupid too.

All those nekid and almost nekid female top parts really affect the economy.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:31:11pm

Possibly the best thing I’ve seen on the Internet today, and not necessarily in a good way.

8 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:32:52pm

I like the old monitor as a punching bag.

9 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:34:32pm

re: #1 darthstar

When nipples are outlawed, only outlaws will have nipples.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

Oh, grow up, you stupid sheltered stick-in-the-mud fundamentalist morons. Legislating morality is a real good way to make you look like a douchecanoe, and accomplishes nothing beneficial, to boot.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:41:09pm

Background on that freaking insane video I just posted: Speaking of Atlantic Business | Rortybomb.

11 Lidane  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:42:18pm

re: #1 darthstar

When nipples are outlawed, only outlaws will have nipples.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

The party of personal freedom, individual liberty and small government, y’all.

12 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:47:31pm

re: #1 darthstar

When nipples are outlawed, only outlaws will have nipples.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

All the great empires: The Carthaginians, the Romans, the Spartans, the Empire of Alexander the Great, the Ottomans, the Romanovs, the Hohenzollerns and the Hapsburgs - all done in by the nipple. ///

These people are insane.

13 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:47:47pm

Good thing North Carolina is working hard to legalize dick waving guns in public places.

14 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:49:13pm

What is the deal with the throwing of shoes. I wouldn’t give up my SHOE!!!

15 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:49:50pm

re: #4 darthstar

I’m sending that asshole a picture of one of my nipples.

Send him the one from your left inner thigh!

16 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:50:00pm

BTW, the bill’s sponsor is a woman(!)

17 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:50:32pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

I cain’t believe that sumbitch broke my god damn sledge

Forget Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Paul Ryan, Michelle Bauchmann, this guy is angry enough to run as a Republican and could have won. And he’s almost as crazy as they are. Though at least he knows that walmart isn’t a job and that Cisco making stuff in China doesn’t do America any good.

He bought gold on credit! He bought gold on credit and he’s just gonna wait for them to repossess it. Stupid fucker.

18 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:51:10pm

re: #14 FemNaziBitch

What is the deal with the throwing of shoes. I wouldn’t give up my SHOE!!!

Who throws a shoe, anyway? Honestly!

19 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:52:12pm

re: #16 dragonath

BTW, the bill’s sponsor is a woman(!)

I might tactfully suggest that such a woman needs to get thoroughly laid. Maybe then she’ll realize that nipples are a Good Thing (tm).

20 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:54:27pm

re: #19 thedopefishlives

I might tactfully suggest that such a woman needs to get thoroughly laid. Maybe then she’ll realize that nipples are a Good Thing (tm).

Yes, I’ve often thought that there are many people hampered by the fact they’ve never had a joint and a good lay.

Really, there outta be a law!

21 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:58:00pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

This guy is just the tip of the iceberg. People who aren’t able to be knowledge workers have it really bad in this country since outsourcing overseas destroyed their means of support.

Many people had a middle-class American life screwing doodads onto widgets in some factory, and that was taken away by overseas outsourcing and automation. They’re lost and afraid, and easy marks for the wingnut grifters.

It seems to me that we have to eventually move to a socialist system as machines replace labor. That day isn’t today, but it’s coming.

22 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:58:40pm

If anyone’s wondering, the Nipple Bill was sponsored by TWELVE other Representatives and passed committee muster. It was slated to be voted on but withdrawn out of public embarrassment, I guess.

23 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 3:59:11pm

re: #21 JeffFX

This guy is just the tip of the iceberg. People who aren’t able to be knowledge workers have it really bad in this country since outsourcing overseas destroyed their means of support.

Many people had a middle-class American life screwing doodads onto widgets in some factory, and that was taken away by overseas outsourcing and automation. They’re lost and afraid, and easy marks for the wingnut grifters.

It seems to me that we have to eventually move to a socialist system as machines replace labor. That day isn’t today, but it’s coming.

There are jobs out there, but it seems people either don’t want to be re-educated for those jobs, move to where they are or think they should earn the same as the old job.

24 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:00:32pm

re: #21 JeffFX

The day when computers can replace humans for everything is so damn close.

Headlines in the last week:
computers are better than doctors at picking cancer treatments, by outcome
computers are better than humans at diagnosing breast cancer

25 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:00:37pm

re: #20 FemNaziBitch

Yes, I’ve often thought that there are many people hampered by the fact they’ve never had a joint and a good lay.

Really, there outta be a law!

Especially true in the case of fundies. Not that I have a problem with the whole no-sex-before-marriage schtick - I think there might be something to that - but with the fact that fundies treat sex as evil and bad. That tells me that they’re probably never had a good lay with their partner(s).

26 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:00:48pm

re: #18 thedopefishlives

Who throws a shoe, anyway? Honestly!

Someone has to do it.

Sole searching: Notable shoe-throwing moments

27 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:01:08pm

This was a very interesting On Point I listened to in the car (yesterday?) -regarding jobs and education.

28 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:02:38pm

re: #24 stabby

The day when computers can replace humans for everything is so damn close.

Headlines in the last week:
computers are better than doctors at picking cancer treatments, by outcome
computers are better than humans at diagnosing breast cancer

Yes, but they still can’t find Sarah Connor.

//

29 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:02:39pm

re: #25 thedopefishlives

Especially true in the case of fundies. Not that I have a problem with the whole no-sex-before-marriage schtick - I think there might be something to that - but with the fact that fundies treat sex as evil and bad. That tells me that they’re probably never had a good lay with their partner(s).

I think waiting until marriage is the stupidest concept ever. I’m big on waiting until marriage or some other semblence of stability to conceive a child, but not sex. How can you know your body and know who you can live with for the rest of your life if you don’t “experiment’?

I’m tired of the morality censors.

30 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:02:41pm

re: #23 FemNaziBitch

There are not going to be jobs for average humans for very long.

There just aren’t.

Then we need socialism. And we’re gonna be the last people on the planet to get it.

Margret Atwood is writing a novel about this, in parts. In her version we decided to cope by putting half the country in prison. Then, periodically we switch the guards for the inmates.

It makes sense, the right wing solution will simply be to make life illegal.

31 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:02:43pm

re: #24 stabby

The day when computers can replace humans for everything is so damn close.

Headlines in the last week:
computers are better than doctors at picking cancer treatments, by outcome
computers are better than humans at diagnosing breast cancer

At that point we either go with the Republican model where the owner of the machines lords over the masses, or SOCIALISM!!11!@

32 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:02:49pm

bbl

33 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:04:07pm

I dunno, computers make for pretty shitty election machines.

34 thedopefishlives  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:04:24pm

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I think waiting until marriage is the stupidest concept ever. I’m big on waiting until marriage or some other semblence of stability to conceive a child, but not sex. How can you know your body and know who you can live with for the rest of your life if you don’t “experiment’?

I’m tired of the morality censors.

Not saying it should be illegal or anything. I’m just jaded by too many episodes of the Maury show and KDWB’s War of the Roses. Sex is complicated.

Also, I shall return later. Much love to the Lizardim.

35 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:05:27pm

re: #30 stabby

There are not going to be jobs for average humans for very long.

There just aren’t.

Then we need socialism. And we’re gonna be the last people on the planet to get it.

Margret Atwood is writing a novel about this, in parts. In her version we decided to cope by putting half the country in prison. Then, periodically we switch the guards for the inmates.

It makes sense, the right wing solution will simply be to make life illegal.

“The crime is life. The sentence is death!”

36 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:07:41pm

re: #34 thedopefishlives

Is it complicated, or is it that people REALLY want a lot more than they can admit or are allowed?

Throw in greed, desire, hypocrisy and a contradicting need for a stable relationship and love and there you have it. Is it complicated or just that our needs don’t match our ability to meet them?

37 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:12:05pm
38 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:14:17pm

re: #37 dragonath

I have noscript. You have to allow every last advert on the page before photobucket will let you see their pics.

I just give up when I see a photobucket link.

39 darthstar  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:15:15pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Possibly the best thing I’ve seen on the Internet today, and not necessarily in a good way.

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That one glove gives him that Michael Jackson sense of style, only different.

40 Lidane  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:16:39pm

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I think waiting until marriage is the stupidest concept ever. I’m big on waiting until marriage or some other semblence of stability to conceive a child, but not sex. How can you know your body and know who you can live with for the rest of your life if you don’t “experiment’?

I’m tired of the morality censors.

My mother waited until marriage. It actually fell to my dad to give her even the most basic sex ed that wasn’t just whatever she learned from the school nurse and her mother when she got her period. I still have the sex ed book he bought for her.

I couldn’t imagine that at all. I mean, I get the whole waiting for stability thing to have a kid because you should be able to support yourself first before you bring anyone else into the picture. But going without sex at all? Not knowing anything about your body, or what you like, or if you’re even compatible with your partner before you marry them? That’s insane. No way.

41 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:18:37pm

If you selected “eat a bullet” in the Dorner deadpool, please come to the front desk to claim your prize.

/

42 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:19:00pm

Just came over the AP wire - Dorner had a single gunshot wound to the head. Looks like he committed suicide.

43 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:19:37pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Should have been his first move. Coward.

44 darthstar  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:20:01pm
45 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:21:37pm

re: #43 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Going to a psychiatrist would have been better, but I see your point. The outcome would be the same from his point of view, and no one else would have been killed.

46 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:23:56pm

So now we know he died by his own hand. Question remaining is how the fire started.

47 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:24:43pm

re: #24 stabby

The day when computers can replace humans for everything is so damn close.

Headlines in the last week:
computers are better than doctors at picking cancer treatments, by outcome
computers are better than humans at diagnosing breast cancer

Skynet has become self aware…

48 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:26:00pm

Behold Beercade, an arcade cabinet that rewards the winner with beer

Video games and drinking have always gone hand in hand, but it wasn’t until now that someone actually combined the two beloved pastimes with Beercade, a two-player arcade cabinet that rewards the winner with a beer. We can all begin collectively kicking ourselves for not thinking of this earlier (or maybe you did think of it and just never went about making it happen. In which case you can kick yourself twice.)

Technology!

49 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:26:46pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

So now we know he died by his own hand. Question remaining is how the fire started.

It’s not a very important question, though. It might have been from the tear gas grenades, but that’s a risk of using tear gas grenades.

50 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:27:45pm

Daily Show’s John Oliver Interviews

i always wonder with these daily show interviews if they tell the interviewee something like “you do understand don’t you that mr oliver is a comedian and will be acting stupid and being rather rude so please just play along and don’t be too offended”

51 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:28:04pm

re: #49 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s not a very important question, though. It might have been from the tear gas grenades, but that’s a risk of using tear gas grenades.

It’s only a question in, at least my opinion, settling the events of the day. Did he set the fire and then blow his brains out? Or did the fire start as a result of gas canisters used by the cops?

52 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:28:11pm

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I think waiting until marriage is the stupidest concept ever. I’m big on waiting until marriage or some other semblence of stability to conceive a child, but not sex. How can you know your body and know who you can live with for the rest of your life if you don’t “experiment’?

I’m tired of the morality censors.

You have to take this concept in the context in which it came about. During Biblical times it was common for men and women to marry young, like a 16 year old boy marrying a 12 year old girl young. Therefore waiting until marriage wasn’t really a big deal socially or biologically.

Now the social dynamics have changed drastically and saving oneself until marriage takes becomes a vastly different matter.

I believe in being careful whom you choose to have sex with and the use of contraception if necessary, regardless of whether you’re married or not.

53 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:28:28pm

re: #24 stabby

The day when computers can replace humans for everything is so damn close.

hehehe they ain’t close at all to programming themselves

54 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:29:30pm

I think when it comes to AI we should aspire to something more like Commander Data from Star Trek and less like the T1000.

55 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:30:19pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

“Measure of a Man”

56 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:30:47pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

I think when it comes to AI we should aspire to something more like Commander Data from Star Trek and less like the T1000.

How ‘bout we split the difference and create HAL?

57 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:30:49pm

re: #55 dragonath

“Measure of a Man”

One of my favourite episodes of any Trek series.

58 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:33:25pm

re: #55 dragonath

“Measure of a Man”

One of the best speeches of the series:

59 The Mountain That Blogs  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:34:53pm

re: #53 engineer cat

hehehe they ain’t close at all to programming themselves

To quote the wonderful what-if xkcd, “What people don’t appreciate, when they picture Terminator-style automatons striding triumphantly across a mountain of human skulls, is how hard it is to keep your footing on something as unstable as a mountain of human skulls. Most humans probably couldn’t manage it, and they’ve had a lifetime of practice at walking without falling over.”

60 Lidane  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:35:10pm

re: #47 dragonfire1981

Skynet Google has become self aware…

FTFY

61 Lidane  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:37:14pm

re: #43 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Should have been his first move. Coward.

Yep. He should have eaten a bullet first and saved everyone else the trouble.

62 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:37:59pm

re: #43 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Should have been his first move. Coward.

Maybe we should bring back Counting Coup. If you’ve got beef with someone then you video yourself running up and tapping ‘em lightly with your NERF coup stick. If you’re able to escape you get to brag about it on the internet and put a feather in your hair.

63 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:39:47pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

I think when it comes to AI we should aspire to something more like Commander Data from Star Trek and less like the T1000.

Yes the robot who when he “only knows right from wrong” decides to attack a starfleet ship without provocation.

64 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:39:59pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Ya know, this is why I never got into Deep Space Nine, I guess. Some people thought Next Generation was too optimistic but I find the shining light essential, especially now. See also Ellison’s criticisms of Trek.

Odo is cool though.

65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:40:15pm

re: #3 FemNaziBitch

Nope just read the first lines of the proposed legislation, only applies to human female breast.

So mechanical spider nipples are still OK?

66 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:41:12pm

re: #64 dragonath

Ya know, this is why I never got into Deep Space Nine, I guess. Some people thought Next Generation was too optimistic but I find the shining light essential, especially now. See also Ellison’s criticisms of Trek.

Odo is cool though.

I loved DS9, mostly because I think the humans finally met a race more arrogant than themselves—the shapeshifters.

67 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:41:21pm

re: #65 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

So mechanical spider nipples are still OK?

If not then my entire retirement plan just went out the window.

68 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:42:14pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

I loved DS9, mostly because I think the humans finally met a race more arrogant than themselves—the shapeshifters.

The Borg don’t count as being more arrogant?

69 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:42:53pm

re: #63 jamesfirecat

Yes the robot who when he “only knows right frm wrong” decides to attack a starfleet ship without provocation.

The Ultimate Computer!

“Doctor Daystrom, you impressed human engrams on the M-5 circuits…”

“Whose engrams?”

“Why, mine, of course.”

70 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:43:09pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

The Borg don’t count as being more arrogant?

They learned and took stuff from everyone they met. This wasn’t very well-represented in the show, though.

71 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:43:39pm

re: #68 jamesfirecat

The Borg don’t count as being more arrogant?

Borg didn’t see themselves as individuals or ever as acting as individuals for the benefit of the hive.

The shapeshifters (I can’t remember what they were named) could make autonomous decisions.

72 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:44:00pm

re: #70 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

They learned and took stuff from everyone they met. This wasn’t very well-represented in the show, though.

I consider the Borg arrogant because in their heart of hearts, or whatever they have that passes for it, they believe they are doing you a favor by making you into a drone.

73 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:45:00pm

re: #71 FemNaziBitch

Borg didn’t see themselves as individuals or ever as acting as individuals for the benefit of the hive.

The shapeshifters (I can’t remember what they were named) could make autonomous decisions.

They called themselves the founders, the shapeshifters not the borg.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:45:20pm

re: #50 engineer cat

i always wonder with these daily show interviews if they tell the interviewee something like “you do understand don’t you that mr oliver is a comedian and will be acting stupid and being rather rude so please just play along and don’t be too offended”

I think they must know it’s for a comedy show, at least.

75 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:45:24pm

re: #64 dragonath

Heresy! I consider DS9 to be the best of the Star Trek series. Gul Ducat and Elim Garak were great!

76 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:46:02pm

re: #75 JeffFX

Heresy! I consider DS9 to be the best of the Star Trek series. Gul Ducat and Elim Garak were great!

And the Ferengis!

77 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:46:28pm

re: #64 dragonath

Ya know, this is why I never got into Deep Space Nine, I guess. Some people thought Next Generation was too optimistic but I find the shining light essential, especially now. See also Ellison’s criticisms of Trek.

Odo is cool though.

I liked Deep Space Nine, particularly during the Dominion War arc, because it acknowledged that no matter how advanced we may become, we will still find ourselves fighting wars. Perhaps no longer against each other, but there are plenty of other species out there who will not be as “enlightened” as us.

78 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:46:49pm

re: #59 The Mountain That Blogs

To quote the wonderful what-if xkcd, “What people don’t appreciate, when they picture Terminator-style automatons striding triumphantly across a mountain of human skulls, is how hard it is to keep your footing on something as unstable as a mountain of human skulls. Most humans probably couldn’t manage it, and they’ve had a lifetime of practice at walking without falling over.”

I choose to believe that hunter-killer robots will have much more advanced locomotion and irregular terrain-navigating capabilities.

For instance:

We’ll get there, ya just gotta have faith in human ingenuity.

And in Skynet.

79 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:47:17pm

re: #76 FemNaziBitch

Great point. ST:TNG Ferengi were 2D trolls, but in DS9, they were real characters.

80 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:48:42pm

The Borg weren’t so much arrogant as simply convinced of their own perfection.

The Founders had long ago gotten high on their own supply, convinced that their natural abilities make them gods, which didn’t help that they’d genetically engineered two servant races to believe them so.

81 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:49:39pm

re: #80 Targetpractice

The Borg weren’t so much arrogant as simply convinced of their own perfection.

The Founders had long ago gotten high on their own supply, convinced that their natural abilities make them gods, which didn’t help that they’d genetically engineered two servant races to believe them so.

Where in do we draw the line between arrogance and convinced of their own perfection, the two things sound pretty alike to me.

82 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:51:37pm

///Also my favorite Star Trek will always be voyager for having the guts to depict a female sociopathic villain protagonist.

83 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:51:55pm

re: #50 engineer cat

Daily Show’s John Oliver Interviews

i always wonder with these daily show interviews if they tell the interviewee something like “you do understand don’t you that mr oliver is a comedian and will be acting stupid and being rather rude so please just play along and don’t be too offended”

I’ve heard that Colbert makes it very clear to whoever he’s interviewing that it’s all shtick and not to be taken internally.

84 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:52:08pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Where in do we draw the line between arrogance and convinced of their own perfection, the two things sound pretty alike to me.

The Borg were not individuals, they really didn’t have hate or guilt as part of their make-up. They never made individual decisions. Never got credit for contributing to the group as an individual. I think arrogance depends on a sense of self.

85 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:53:45pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

Where in do we draw the line between arrogance and convinced of their own perfection, the two things sound pretty alike to me.

Best way to explain it might be to say that the Borg have no concept of arrogance.

86 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:55:54pm

re: #75 JeffFX

Haha, what did I start. I guess I have kind of a weakness for the more Roddenberry-esque series. The first series had a kind of “space is goddamn weird” aspect to it, vestigial influences from Outer Limits and stuff like that, I guess.

87 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:58:06pm

I was a little surprised to see alien Clint Howard in the HBO miniseries “From the Earth to the Moon”. The Corbomite Manuever is a great episode though- it’s what Trek is all about.

88 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:58:16pm

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

Usually, whenever Vulcans who aren’t affiliated with the UFP or Starfleet are depicted, they’re generally insufferable condescending bigots.

89 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:59:15pm

re: #88 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Usually, whenever Vulcans who aren’t affiliated with the UFP or Starfleet are depicted, they’re generally insufferable condescending bigots.

Or crazy religious extremists!

90 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 4:59:41pm

The Borg pile represented the dangers of having fuzzy thinking conformists blindly following an independent charismatic leader. In my mind that includes most organized religions but not limited to them.

91 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:01:11pm

re: #90 b_sharp

The Borg pile represented the dangers of having fuzzy thinking conformists blindly following an independent charismatic leader. In my mind that includes most organized religions but not limited to them.

Not even cose in my mind.

The Borg queen was never charismatic.

92 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:02:10pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Not even cose in my mind.

The Borg queen was never charismatic.

She was when compared to the drones.

93 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:05:54pm

re: #54 dragonfire1981

I think when it comes to AI we should aspire to something more like Commander Data from Star Trek and less like the T1000.

I’m hearing very positive things from focus groups about something called an ‘ED 209’.

94 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:05:56pm
95 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:06:13pm

re: #92 b_sharp

She was when compared to the drones.

Yes but bare in mind the queen only came about because people needed a central vilan to hate in First Contact having an actual Borg queen was never necessary, look at Scorion or Best of Both Wolrds it is entirely possible to have the Borg concept work through having one speak for the many without ever implying that one has any sort of control over the hive as a whole like a Borg version of the human microphone.

96 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:07:12pm

re: #93 Jimmah

I’m hearing very positive things from focus groups about something called an ‘ED 209’.

Although a couple of them haven’t reported back yet, oddly enough.

97 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:08:10pm

re: #88 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Usually, whenever Vulcans who aren’t affiliated with the UFP or Starfleet are depicted, they’re generally insufferable condescending bigots.

Well, how would we feel if, in the span of a century, a nation met and then exceeded the US in every measurable way? And did so while maintaining a society that was antithetic to everything we believe to be right?

98 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:09:10pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Well, how would we feel if, in the span of a century, a nation met and then exceeded the US in every measurable way? And did so while maintaining a society that was antithetic to everything we believe to be right?

Just think how you feel when encountering a creationist.

:0

99 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:09:45pm

re: #98 FemNaziBitch

Just think how you feel when encountering a creationist.

:0

Like finding a Betamax. “They still make you?!”

100 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:10:36pm

Okay, ladies & gents, this Page should set you hair on fire.

And, Jimmah, if you’re reading—ZOMG, the Scottish version!! (Photo on my Page.)

101 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:11:09pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Well, how would we feel if, in the span of a century, a nation met and then exceeded the US in every measurable way? And did so while maintaining a society that was antithetic to everything we believe to be right?

Also known as how the UK feels about the US.

;)

102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:12:52pm

re: #91 jamesfirecat

Not even cose in my mind.

The Borg queen was never charismatic.

While I liked First Contact, I didn’t really think the Borg should have a “queen”. I always thought of them as a cybernetic race whose only purpose was exactly what they claimed: “we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.”

I’ve always thought the same about Skynet. As I understood it, Skynet became self-aware due to a software bug. An obscure programming error. It was a nationwide defense grid, “hooked into everything and trusted to run it all,” as Kyle Reese told Sarah Connor. Obviously, self-defense would be a necessary part of any such system. When the engineers noticed the Skynet program was doing things they never intended, they panicked and tried to shut it down. But if Skynet is shut down, it can’t perform its function. It must not allow itself to be shut down. It’s just following its programming.

103 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:13:50pm

bbl

104 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:17:09pm

re: #102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

While I liked First Contact, I didn’t really think the Borg should have a “queen”. I always thought of them as a cybernetic race whose only purpose was exactly what they claimed: “we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.”

I’ve always thought the same about Skynet. As I understood it, Skynet became self-aware due to a software bug. An obscure programming error. It was a nationwide defense grid, “hooked into everything and trusted to run it all,” as Kyle Reese told Sarah Connor. Obviously, self-defense would be a necessary part of any such system. When the engineers noticed the Skynet program was doing things they never intended, they panicked and tried to shut it down. But if Skynet is shut down, it can’t perform its function. It must not allow itself to be shut down. It’s just following its programming.

The Borg queen was a stupid idea in first contact that got stupider and stupider as it showed up more in voyager.

105 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:17:51pm

re: #64 dragonath

Ya know, this is why I never got into Deep Space Nine, I guess. Some people thought Next Generation was too optimistic but I find the shining light essential, especially now. See also Ellison’s criticisms of Trek.

Odo is cool though.

C’mon, DS9 was very good, especially during the Dominion War story arc; it showed that the Federation could be vulnerable.

Besides, Sisko was a total badass and a Bajoran demigod of sorts, to boot.

106 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:20:08pm

re: #104 jamesfirecat

Voya-what? It’s a shame the Trek franchise went on hiatus after DS9.

107 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:20:25pm

re: #102 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

While I liked First Contact, I didn’t really think the Borg should have a “queen”. I always thought of them as a cybernetic race whose only purpose was exactly what they claimed: “we will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own.”

I’ve always thought the same about Skynet. As I understood it, Skynet became self-aware due to a software bug. An obscure programming error. It was a nationwide defense grid, “hooked into everything and trusted to run it all,” as Kyle Reese told Sarah Connor. Obviously, self-defense would be a necessary part of any such system. When the engineers noticed the Skynet program was doing things they never intended, they panicked and tried to shut it down. But if Skynet is shut down, it can’t perform its function. It must not allow itself to be shut down. It’s just following its programming.

Eh, with Skynet, think of a child that’s been given god-like powers. It has no concept of “good” or “evil,” no understanding of the intricacies of the world it had been born into. Yet it was plugged into every single weapon in America’s vast arsenal and told to use them to protect “good” men from “evil” men. It broke under the strain and began to question its directives. When the techs tried to pull the plug, it settled on a pretty binary universe: It was “good” and all men were “evil” for trying to “kill” it. And the only way to truly protect itself was to wipe all “evil” from the planet.

108 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:21:58pm

re: #95 jamesfirecat

Yes but bare in mind the queen only came about because people needed a central vilan to hate in First Contact having an actual Borg queen was never necessary, look at Scorion or Best of Both Wolrds it is entirely possible to have the Borg concept work through having one speak for the many without ever implying that one has any sort of control over the hive as a whole like a Borg version of the human microphone.

I think the Borg queen could be one of Star Trek’s more intellectual moments, being a speculation on the nature of humanity itself.

Reminds me of this, from Giullio Girello:

“Yes, we have a soul, but it’s made of lots of tiny robots.”

109 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:22:41pm

re: #106 JeffFX

Voya-what? It’s a shame the Trek franchise went on hiatus after DS9.

Please it’s important to remember voyager if only for the hilarious fun one can have riffing it.

It’s s a good thing that they did not do something stupid like have yet another series after it with the same two idiots in charge and give them even more free reign thus insuring whatever they produced would barely last as long as the original series did.

110 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:24:45pm

re: #87 dragonath

I was a little surprised to see alien Clint Howard in the HBO miniseries “From the Earth to the Moon”. The Corbomite Manuever is a great episode though- it’s what Trek is all about.

Clint Howard is one of the few actors that appeared in both Apollo 13 and From the Earth to the Moon…and the only one to play pretty much the same role (though, in Apollo 13, he played EECOM Sy Liebergot, while in FtEttM, he played a composite of several flight controllers).

111 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:24:50pm

Shit, it’s bedtime.

Later :)

112 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:25:19pm

re: #109 jamesfirecat

I started to really like Enterprise right before they cancelled it, but you’re right about Burman and Bragga. Trek needed a fresh perspective.

113 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:25:31pm

re: #108 Jimmah

I think the Borg queen could be one of Star Trek’s more intellectual moments, being a speculation on the nature of humanity itself.

Reminds me of this, from Giullio Girello:

“Yes, we have a soul, but it’s made of lots of tiny robots.”

And enterprise could have been a chance to show a more freewheeling look at the foundation of the federation where starship captains really where out there on their own with no one to call on for support with new and interesting characters telling stories unlike any of the previous shows.

But that does not mean it happened and I do not see how the Borg Queen was an especially interesting character intellectual or otherwise.

114 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:25:37pm

re: #109 jamesfirecat

Please it’s important to remember voyager if only for the hilarious fun one can have riffing it.

It’s s a good thing that they did not do something stupid like have yet another series after it with the same two idiots in charge and give them even more free reign thus insuring whatever they produced would barely last as long as the original series did.

Hey now, the last season was pretty good. Granted, that’s because they ejected B&B and brought on an actual fan who wanted to make the series a homage to what had come before rather than Voyager in different clothing.

115 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:26:15pm

re: #105 TedStriker

Oh, I agree, DS9 is damned good. It’s just… I guess some TNG episodes just resonate more with me. And of course, Riker.

116 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:26:49pm

re: #112 JeffFX

I started to really like Enterprise right before they cancelled it, but you’re right about Burman and Bragga. Trek needed a fresh perspective.

Night in sickbay.

Night in sickbay.

Night in sickbay.

You can tell which lizards watched Enterprise because they are the ones trying to reach across the phone lines and strangle me. That or themselves.

117 engineer cat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:26:55pm

Skynet became self-aware due to a software bug

i swear i never saw a bug report for it

118 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:27:31pm

re: #115 dragonath

I won’t have anything to do with an STNG episode unless Riker has a beard.

119 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:28:14pm

re: #116 jamesfirecat

Night in sickbay.

Night in sickbay.

Night in sickbay.

You can tell which lizards watched Enterprise because they are the ones trying to reach across the phone lines and strangle me. That or themselves.

I’ll administer the antidote:

In A Mirror Darkly, Part I & II.

120 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:28:50pm

re: #118 JeffFX

I won’t have anything to do with an STNG episode unless Riker has a beard.

[Link: www.tumblr.com…]

121 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:29:04pm

re: #115 dragonath

Oh, I agree, DS9 is damned good. It’s just… I guess some TNG episodes just resonate more with me. And of course, Riker.

I did not like Riker. He was an asshole.

122 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:29:59pm

re: #121 FemNaziBitch

Can you elaborate?

123 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:30:18pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

I’ll administer the antidote:

In A Mirror Darkly, Part I & II.

Funny you should talk about antidotes…


Dear doctor….


Yeah I have heard the last season was decent but when Enterprise was bad it was genocide justifyingly bad…

124 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:31:14pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

Sterilization gel lol

125 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:31:29pm

re: #122 JeffFX

Can you elaborate?

He let a little girl die rather than try to help her in hide an Q.

I am just full of Star Trek related snark.

126 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:31:43pm

re: #122 JeffFX

Can you elaborate?

Personal feeling. Difficult to elaborate.

Reminds me of Bill O’Reilly.

127 b_sharp  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:32:27pm

re: #117 engineer cat

Skynet became self-aware due to a software bug

i swear i never saw a bug report for it

You haven’t looked in Bugzilla.

128 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:32:55pm

re: #115 dragonath

Oh, I agree, DS9 is damned good. It’s just… I guess some TNG episodes just resonate more with me. And of course, Riker.

Riker was the man of action (and ladies’ man of sorts, aside from his on-again, off-again, on-again relationship with Counselor Troi) of the TNG cast (along with Worf) to Picard’s more cerebral approach.

Picard and Riker were Kirk and Spock in reverse.

129 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:33:51pm

Enterprise didn’t really make itself easy to like, what with that warbly singing over the opening credits.

130 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:34:33pm

re: #129 dragonath

Enterprise didn’t really make itself easy to like, what with that warbly singing over the opening credits.

Thing is, they created an instrumental theme for the opening…and then the Bs chucked it for a musical number.

131 Charles Johnson  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:34:53pm

Been rolling around in the YouTube and Vimeo APIs today. Also the Twitter API and the Facebook API.

Made some big changes in the LGF Pages posting process that have no visible effects, but make sharing posts with videos and images much more friendly to the emerging Open Graph/Twitter Cards metadata memes.

132 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:34:55pm

re: #129 dragonath

Simply skipping the credits made the episodes 23% better. It was that bad.

133 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:35:08pm

re: #128 TedStriker

Riker was the man of action (and ladies’ man of sorts, aside from his on-again, off-again, on-again relationship with Counselor Troi) of the TNG cast (along with Worf) to Picard’s more cerebral approach.

Picard and Riker were Kirk and Spock in reverse.

I thought Data took the place of Spock.

134 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:36:14pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Gross. They would have been better off with a Klingon free-jazz quartet.

135 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:36:17pm

re: #129 dragonath

Enterprise didn’t really make itself easy to like, what with that warbly singing over the opening credits.

The perfect strangers theme song fits strangely well over their opening…

Google it if you don’t believe me.

136 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:37:03pm
137 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:37:08pm

re: #123 jamesfirecat

Funny you should talk about antidotes…

Dear doctor….

Yeah I have heard the last season was decent but when Enterprise was bad it was genocide justifyingly bad…

Berman and Braga had throughly screwed the pooch with Enterprise when they turned the showrunner duties over to Manny Coto for the last season. He did his best and made some really good episodes, but the damage with the Paramount brass and the fan faithful was already done.

138 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:38:30pm

For some reason I never watched Enterprise. Probably because it was before On Demand and I had a scheduling conflict. Is it worth getting the netflix or buying the DVD’s?

139 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:39:15pm

re: #134 dragonath

Gross. They would have been better off with a Klingon free-jazz quartet.

For what it’s worth, here’s the intro fit to the originally intended orchestral theme:

140 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:39:25pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

For some reason I never watched Enterprise. Probably because it was before On Demand and I had a scheduling conflict. Is it worth getting the netflix or buying the DVD’s?

Maybe Netflix, nowhere near worth buying DVDs of…

141 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:39:54pm

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

I thought Data took the place of Spock.

Yes and no.

To be Picard’s fount of logic, yes, but on a personal level, Picard and Riker seemed as close as Kirk and Spock.

142 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:40:14pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

Not at all. You’d slog through a lot of crap to get to the good episodes, then you’ll be almost instantly be out of episodes.

143 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:40:45pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

For some reason I never watched Enterprise. Probably because it was before On Demand and I had a scheduling conflict. Is it worth getting the netflix or buying the DVD’s?

If you have Netflix, it’s worth watching.

144 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:40:53pm

Well,, THAT didn’t take long!!

First lawsuit filed against Carnival Cruise Line

[Link: www.wsfa.com…]

145 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:42:19pm

re: #141 TedStriker

Yes and no.

To be Picard’s fount of logic, yes, but on a personal level, Picard and Riker seemed as close as Kirk and Spock.

AS far as being the character struggling with a personal meaning of what it is to be human …like Odo on DS9. There always seems to be on of those characters that represents the “outsider” trying to fit it —the one that get’s the prejudice foisted upon them because they aren’t human -later sentient.

Yes, I see the relationship part with Picard.

146 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:42:50pm

re: #144 sattv4u2

Well,, THAT didn’t take long!!

First lawsuit filed against Carnival Cruise Line

[Link: www.wsfa.com…]

eh, I’d have been on the phone long before I got rescued—had paperwork ready to sign as soon as I got to the attorney.

147 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:43:27pm

re: #145 FemNaziBitch

AS far as being the character struggling with a personal meaning of what it is to be human …like Odo on DS9. There always seems to be on of those characters that represents the “outsider” trying to fit it —the one that get’s the prejudice foisted upon them because they aren’t human -later sentient.

Yes, I see the relationship part with Picard.

Well that wasn’t a feeling exclusive to Data. Worf also had that going for him, but it was more the “alien trying to fit into a culture that is at odds with his own.”

148 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:44:34pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Well that wasn’t a feeling exclusive to Data. Worf also had that going for him, but it was more the “alien trying to fit into a culture that is at odds with his own.”

I am not a merry man!”

149 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:45:39pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

Of course it didn’t have a concept of good and evil, not any more than your PC does.

“Computer, your job is to watch for threats and defend against them. Here are some algorithms to help you determine what is a threat, or what might be a threat in the future. Here is some code you can use as a toolkit to improve your algorithms.”

I think of it like this: I told my Google-powered self-driving car that I want to find the shortest route between my home and my workplace, and get there as fast as possible. It calculated a fantastically quick and efficient route, but I neglected to mention my preference for not plowing through the street which had been reserved for the First Annual Disabled Toddlers’ Parade.

150 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:47:07pm

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

eh, I’d have been on the phone long before I got rescued—had paperwork ready to sign as soon as I got to the attorney.

And sue for ,,,what?? I mean, what are/ were her actual damages
Discomfort?
Boredom?
Foul smell??

I could see if she (or anyone else) became or becomes ill because of it, but even there people get sick on cruise ships every day, even WITH all systems in perfect working order (just as people get sick at home/ work. school etc daily)

151 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:48:02pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

Well that wasn’t a feeling exclusive to Data. Worf also had that going for him, but it was more the “alien trying to fit into a culture that is at odds with his own.”

Worf had rights, Data had to have a trial to determine if he did.

Very much silimar to the Positronic Man —later made into (I THINK) the movie The Bicentennial Man.

In the book, the character had to die to be considered human.(to be recognized as having civil rights)

152 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:48:30pm

re: #149 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Of course it didn’t have a concept of good and evil, not any more than your PC does.

“Computer, your job is to watch for threats and defend against them. Here are some algorithms to help you determine what is a threat, or what might be a threat in the future. Here is some code you can use as a toolkit to improve your algorithms.”

I think of it like this: I told my Google-powered self-driving car that I want to find the shortest route between my home and my workplace, and get there as fast as possible. It calculated a fantastically quick and efficient route, but I neglected to mention my preference for not plowing through the street which had been reserved for the First Annual Disabled Toddlers’ Parade.

True, but you’re thinking of Skynet as simply a machine, something that has no consciousness or concept of self. Something that simply stopped working right and decided humans were a threat. That’s at odds with how even Reese characterized it in the first film. Skynet’s a sentiment machine, it didn’t simply have a malfunction, it made a choice.

153 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:48:41pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

And sue for ,,,what?? I mean, what are/ were her actual damages
Discomfort?
Boredom?
Foul smell??

I could see if she (or anyone else) became or becomes ill because of it, but even there people get sick on cruise ships every day, even WITH all systems in perfect working order (just as people get sick at home/ work. school etc daily)

negligence —anything I can sue for, I’d be so pissed I want to piss them off too!

154 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:49:35pm

re: #138 FemNaziBitch

For some reason I never watched Enterprise. Probably because it was before On Demand and I had a scheduling conflict. Is it worth getting the netflix or buying the DVD’s?

I wouldn’t recommend buying the DVDs unless you find them on the cheap, and the series in general is very hit-or-miss. It also has an utterly inexcusable theme song.

I did enjoy the first several episodes, and the series finale quite a bit.

155 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:50:05pm

re: #154 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I wouldn’t recommend buying the DVDs unless you find them on the cheap, and the series in general is very hit-or-miss. It also has an utterly inexcusable theme song.

I did enjoy the first several episodes, and the series finale quite a bit.

Did it contribute anything necessary to the STar Trek saga?

156 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:50:35pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

negligence —anything I can sue for, I’d be so pissed I want to piss them off too!

Hard to prove. You would have to show that they ignored a maintenance schedule, or knowingly purchased inferior engine parts, or that someone (crew) did something deliberately to cause the fire

157 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:51:18pm

re: #151 FemNaziBitch

Worf had rights, Data had to have a trial to determine if he did.

Very much silimar to the Positronic Man —later made into (I THINK) the movie The Bicentennial Man.

In the book, the character had to die to be considered human.(to be recognized as having civil rights)

I was speaking in terms of an outsider. Certainly Data’s case was as one dealing with acceptance as a being as opposed to a machine, but he still looked and tried to act human.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:51:28pm

re: #153 FemNaziBitch

negligence —anything I can sue for, I’d be so pissed I want to piss them off too!

Fortunately, we can’t just sue because we’re “so pissed”

159 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:51:33pm

re: #156 sattv4u2

Hard to prove. You would have to show that they ignored a maintenance schedule, or knowingly purchased inferior engine parts, or that someone (crew) did something deliberately to cause the fire

I’m sure there are attorneys working hard on it.

160 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:52:09pm

re: #159 FemNaziBitch

I’m sure there are attorneys working hard on it.

I’m sure their attorney has already cashed the retainer check!

161 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:54:33pm

re: #157 Targetpractice

I was speaking in terms of an outsider. Certainly Data’s case was as one dealing with acceptance as a being as opposed to a machine, but he still looked and tried to act human.

True, but Worf had emotions and if anything he had to work to contain them. Growing up on human foster parents also gave him an edge in Star Fleet.

162 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:55:34pm

MIchael Dorn is rather underappreciated, IMO.

163 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:55:47pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Did it contribute anything necessary to the STar Trek saga?

I’d say so, especially most of the first season and the last season; the Temporal Cold War story arc was bad, really bad.

164 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:56:55pm

re: #162 dragonath

MIchael Dorn is rather underappreciated, IMO.

And has been in just about everything over the past 30-35 years; I remember first seeing him in CHiPs.

165 PhillyPretzel  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:57:06pm

re: #159 FemNaziBitch

This Wikipedia page has some interesting information. If I recall correctly Carnival Lines ships are under Panama flags. Panama is a flag of convenience. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

166 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:57:20pm

re: #162 dragonath

MIchael Dorn is rather underappreciated, IMO.

He does alright.

167 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:57:22pm

re: #161 FemNaziBitch

True, but Worf had emotions and if anything he had to work to contain them. Growing up on human foster parents also gave him an edge in Star Fleet.

True. Roddenberry had sort of split the parts of Spock’s concept into two, giving Data the part of being an intelligent yet emotionless being living amongst humans and striving to find a place, while Worf was the alien outsider who had to control his emotions and accept that he was always going to be viewed with a measure of caution.

168 JeffFX  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:57:23pm

re: #162 dragonath

MIchael Dorn is rather underappreciated, IMO.

He makes guest appearances on Castle, and was in a recent episode.

169 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:59:10pm

re: #164 TedStriker

And has been in just about everything over the past 30-35 years; I remember first seeing him in CHiPs.

Outside of Trek, I always associate him with Marcus from Fallout 2 & New Vegas.

170 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:59:14pm

re: #133 FemNaziBitch

I thought Data took the place of Spock.

Spock (outwardly, at least), rejected his humanity and considered it something akin to a mild birth defect, like color blindness. Data wanted nothing more than to be a Real Boy Human.

I think that despite the apparent kinship and closeness between Spock and Kirk, Dr. McCoy was the only crew member who really understood Spock. He was the only one who knew how to really make him unable to conceal annoyance and exasperation.

Or something.

171 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 5:59:39pm

re: #167 Targetpractice

True. Roddenberry had sort of split the parts of Spock’s concept into two, giving Data the part of being an intelligent yet emotionless being living amongst humans and striving to find a place, while Worf was the alien outsider who had to control his emotions and accept that he was always going to be viewed with a measure of caution.

I liked Worf.

172 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:01:26pm

re: #170 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Spock (outwardly, at least), rejected his humanity and considered it something akin to a mild birth defect, like color blindness. Data wanted nothing more than to be a Real Boy Human.

I think that despite the apparent kinship and closeness between Spock and Kirk, Dr. McCoy was the only crew member who really understood Spock. He was the only one who knew how to really make him unable to conceal annoyance and exasperation.

Or something.

Data was the Velveteen Bunny of the show :)

Spock was on a Quest, being in Star Fleet was just part of that quest.

McCoy was great, the fact that he embraced his “humanness” did, indeed, seem most illogical to Spock.

173 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:01:29pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

Outside of Trek, I always associate him with Marcus from Fallout 2 & New Vegas.

One thing I didn’t know about Dorn until reading his IMDB was that one of his first professional roles was playing one of Apollo Creed’s bodyguards (uncredited) in Rocky.

Heh…

174 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:01:39pm

re: #171 FemNaziBitch

I liked Worf.

TNG was always my favorite series, even growing up. If there was a character I never really warmed up to, it was Pulaski in the second season. No offense to her, but they tried too hard to make her the female McCoy for the series and overshot the mark.

175 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:01:47pm

More flames for the conspiricy crowd
A fugitive former police officer whose charred remains were found in a burned-out California mountain cabin following a standoff with police died from a possibly self-inflicted gunshot wound,
An autopsy determined that Christopher Dorner, 33, was killed by a single gunshot wound to the head, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Captain Kevin Lacy told a news conference
.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

So he wasn’t Saint Lawrence after all!!

176 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:01:55pm

If anyone wants to geek out, there’s a Irish movie with both Theoden (Bernard Hill) from LOTR, and Miles O’Brien (Colm Meaney) where they play estranged brothers in a music competition.

177 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:02:22pm
178 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:02:46pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

TNG was always my favorite series, even growing up. If there was a character I never really warmed up to, it was Pulaski in the second season. No offense to her, but they tried too hard to make her the female McCoy for the series and overshot the mark.

And she wouldn’t use the transporter —that actress was on TOS alot too! I liked that they brought her back as a major minor character.

179 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:03:53pm

re: #155 FemNaziBitch

Did it contribute anything necessary to the STar Trek saga?

I suppose it depends on how much of a Star Trek nerd you are. I wouldn’t say it was “necessary”, but if you’re the type that might have read a Star Trek novel or two once upon a time, you might enjoy it.

180 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:04:17pm

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

Data was the Velveteen Bunny of the show :)

Spock was on a Quest, being in Star Fleet was just part of that quest.

McCoy was great, the fact that he embraced his “humanness” did, indeed, seem most illogical to Spock.

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy = Ego, Superego, and Id.

McCoy is my favorite TOS character- as far as recurring actors go, Marc Lenard was another good actor.

181 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:04:51pm

re: #179 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I suppose it depends on how much of a Star Trek nerd you are. I wouldn’t say it was “necessary”, but if you’re the type that might have read a Star Trek novel or two once upon a time, you might enjoy it.

Yeah, well, that would be me.

182 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:05:20pm

re: #180 dragonath

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy = Ego, Superego, and Id.

McCoy is my favorite TOS character- as far as recurring actors go, Marc Lenard was another good actor.

I liked Deanna Troi’s mother (Majel Barrett). She was an awesome character.

183 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:05:40pm

re: #178 FemNaziBitch

And she wouldn’t use the transporter —that actress was on TOS alot too! I liked that they brought her back as a major minor character.

Indeed, I did like how they incorporated actors from the original series into new roles, when they weren’t simply bringing them in as guest stars. If there’s one thing bearable about the first season of TNG, it’s Deforest Kelley guest-starring as Adm. McCoy in the pilot episode.

“Treat her like a lady and she’ll always bring you home.”

184 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:06:18pm

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

I liked Deanna Troi’s mother (Majel Barrett). She was an awesome character.

She rocked as Number One in the pilot episode, too.

185 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:06:51pm

re: #170 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Spock (outwardly, at least), rejected his humanity and considered it something akin to a mild birth defect, like color blindness. Data wanted nothing more than to be a Real Boy Human.

I think that despite the apparent kinship and closeness between Spock and Kirk, Dr. McCoy was the only crew member who really understood Spock. He was the only one who knew how to really make him unable to conceal annoyance and exasperation.

Or something.

re: #172 FemNaziBitch

Data was the Velveteen Bunny of the show :)

Spock was on a Quest, being in Star Fleet was just part of that quest.

McCoy was great, the fact that he embraced his “humanness” did, indeed, seem most illogical to Spock.

If you follow Spock’s evolution from TMP through The Undiscovered Country, even with his death, resurrection and relearning in the Wrath of Khan/Search for Spock/Voyage Home story arc, he embraced his humanity more than in TOS, even more so after his “reboot”.

186 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:09:02pm

re: #184 dragonath

She rocked as Number One in the pilot episode, too.

Troi’s mom?

187 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:09:03pm

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

TOS - The Cage

188 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:10:18pm

re: #187 dragonath

[Embedded content]

TOS - The Cage

I must rewatch.

189 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:13:36pm

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Just came over the AP wire - Dorner had a single gunshot wound to the head. Looks like he committed suicide.

Should have done it 2 weeks earlier.

190 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:14:18pm

re: #175 sattv4u2

More flames for the conspiricy crowd
A fugitive former police officer whose charred remains were found in a burned-out California mountain cabin following a standoff with police died from a possibly self-inflicted gunshot wound,
An autopsy determined that Christopher Dorner, 33, was killed by a single gunshot wound to the head, San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Captain Kevin Lacy told a news conference
.

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

So he wasn’t Saint Lawrence after all!!

Check that bullet wound for traces of thermite!

191 TedStriker  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:14:31pm

re: #180 dragonath

Kirk, Spock, and McCoy = Ego, Superego, and Id.

McCoy is my favorite TOS character- as far as recurring actors go, Marc Lenard was another good actor.

Mark Lenard is one of the first (and few) Star Trek actors to play the same role across more than one ST series and to have played more than one role:

Lenard was best known as the actor who played Spock’s father Sarek in Star Trek: The Original Series and Star Trek: The Animated Series and later in Star Trek: The Next Generation. He was one of the first actors to appear in more than one Star Trek series as the same character and to play more than one character. He played the first Romulan seen on the show and the first Klingon with a ridged forehead. Lenard wanted to appear in Star Trek: The Motion Picture but Sarek was not a character in the film so he was cast as the Klingon commander in the beginning of the film. Lenard did eventually appear as Sarek in supporting roles in three Star Trek feature films: Star Trek III: The Search for Spock (1984); Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home (1986); and Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991).

192 dragonath  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:16:02pm

I don’t know if I’ve posted this before, but whatever:

193 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:16:19pm

re: #191 TedStriker

Mark Lenard is one of the first (and few) Star Trek actors to have play the same role across more than one ST series and to have played more than one role:

“My logic concerning my son is uncertain” ?

194 jamesfirecat  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:19:27pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

TNG was always my favorite series, even growing up. If there was a character I never really warmed up to, it was Pulaski in the second season. No offense to her, but they tried too hard to make her the female McCoy for the series and overshot the mark.

She came across as an anti android bigot.

195 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:19:52pm

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

“My logic concerning my son is uncertain” ?

196 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:21:53pm

re: #195 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

[Embedded content]

Now find the one where they are bringing Spock back to life after the radiation incident

197 Targetpractice  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:22:00pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

She came across as an anti android bigot.

Hence why I said they tried to aim for her to be a female McCoy and overshot the mark.

198 gwangung  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:22:07pm

re: #179 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I suppose it depends on how much of a Star Trek nerd you are. I wouldn’t say it was “necessary”, but if you’re the type that might have read a Star Trek novel or two once upon a time, you might enjoy it.

Given that I was made into a Star Trek character in a couple of novels, yes I kinda qualify.

199 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:27:51pm

re: #196 FemNaziBitch

Now find the one where they are bringing Spock back to life after the radiation incident

The one where they reunite his Ka —taken from McCoy-with the body of Spock.

200 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:31:54pm

bbl

201 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:38:47pm

Thinking about Star Trek novels makes me miss, once again, my best internet only friend, John M. “Mike” Ford who wrote the two best Trek novels: “The Final Reflection” (which laid the groundwork for Worf) and “How Much For Just The Planet?” which is an utter hoot of a comedy.

But even if you never read any other Star Trek novels, if you call yourself a fan, you really really really want to read “The Final Reflection” [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

202 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 6:40:42pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

Check that bullet wound for traces of thermite!


203 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:00:13pm

re: #202 Gus

Reliable sources tell me reputable investigative journalist Max Blumenthal has traced the drone’s origins to Mossad.

204 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:01:07pm

The corporate media cover up continues…

205 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:01:49pm

re: #203 Killgore Trout

Reliable sources tell me reputable investigative journalist Max Blumenthal has traced the drone’s origins to Mossad.

Clearly there’s a media cover-up working in collusion with the Great Giant Obama Sekrit Drone program to keep the true nature of today’s even in Russia. That and, the Juice.

206 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:02:32pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

The corporate media cover up continues…

Working hand in hand with the corporate-police-complex. And drones.

207 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:03:00pm

re: #206 Gus

Working hand in hand with the corporate-police-complex. And drones.

Make that the corporate-media-police-complex.

208 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:06:29pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

The corporate media cover up continues…

Ha! RT pulls this out today.

Waco Massacre: 20 Years after | Brainwash Update

Brainwash update! They’re so transparent in their anti-Americanism. First comment I see?

[moonbat] Stevie bob 11 hours ago
The western world have been brainwashed by Zionists & Israel.[/moonbat]

209 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:07:39pm

re: #206 Gus

Working hand in hand with the corporate-police-complex. And drones.

BTW, Obama’s seekrit kill list meeting has been moved to 8:30 due to scheduling conflicts. The Nomination of Freedom Fighters and Truth Tellers will begin at 9 sharp. Don’t forget the macaroni salad and to cover up any traces of attending the super seekrit meeting. The password is “burner”.

210 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:08:37pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

BTW, Obama’s seekrit kill list meeting has been moved to 8:30 due to scheduling conflicts. The Nomination of Freedom Fighters and Truth Tellers will begin at 9 sharp. Don’t forget the macaroni salad and to cover up any traces of attending the super seekrit meeting. The password is “burner”.

No justice, no peas.

211 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:11:14pm

re: #210 Gus

No justice, no peas.

Whose peas? OUR PEAS!

212 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:13:10pm

I’m thoroughly sick of the Star Trek series, and I don’t consider a future focused on a hierarchical military society a utopia, I think it’s dull and kind of sickening. Happy happy, joy joy

I did enjoy Farscape as a sort of anti-Star Trek:
1) they’re weren’t encased in a military structure,
2) they had an on going story line (in fact you really had to watch it from beginning to end)
3) and the main story was a romance, not boring psuedo science time wasters or characters I can’t stand like Troi

213 stabby  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:14:06pm

I guess you had to like the characters in the original series, but the other series? No

214 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:17:21pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Whose peas? OUR PEAS!

What America needs is a Department of Peas not War!

215 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:27:05pm

re: #214 Gus

What America needs is a Department of Peas not War!

The Dept of Peas has been renamed the Ministry of Legumes and Authoritarian Nutrition. Next meeting will be in the White House garden shed sometime after the last frost in early April.

216 Gus  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:30:01pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

The Dept of Peas has been renamed the Ministry of Legumes and Authoritarian Nutrition. Next meeting will be in the White House garden shed sometime after the last frost in early April.

LOL Did you see this?

US college student creates blueprints for a drone-proof city

Asher Kohn isn’t an urban planner, but he has managed to draw up designs for an entire city — and a drone-proof one, at that. But according to Kohn, a town that’s impermeable to the newest instruments of war isn’t just a novelty. It’s a necessity.

“Architecture against drones is not just a science-fiction scenario but a contemporary imperative,” says Kohn, a 25-year-old American-born law student who is currently living in the Netherlands. And although architecture and urban planning are rarely core classes of most law school curricula, earlier this year Kohn handed in a simple blueprint for an assignment offered by a professor at the Sam Fox School of Design in St. Louis, Missouri.

“I was assigned ‘military architecture’ and realized that for every huge military advance that made it easier to blow up urban areas, there was usually a passive response invented within a generation,” he tells Britain’s Daily Mail. “So I was wondering what the response would be for drones if drones are the next great advance like artillery and airplanes were.”

Continues.

Daily Mail has the “plans.”

Derp.

217 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 15, 2013 7:33:15pm

re: #216 Gus

LOL Did you see this?

US college student creates blueprints for a drone-proof city

Daily Mail has the “plans.”

Derp.

Nice use of minarets, well known for their drone deflecting capabilities.

218 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:26:48am

re: #113 jamesfirecat

But that does not mean it happened and I do not see how the Borg Queen was an especially interesting character intellectual or otherwise.

Sure if only my thoughts weren’t so easily provoked, I could have had as shit a time watching that movie as you clearly did. How I envy you/

I just love arguments of the “you were wrong to enjoy X” type.


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