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I’m not sure what you call this kind of music — “progressive jazz?” This is one of Metheny’s most complex extended compositions in a stunning live performance from 2005. For some reason it reminds me of a harmonically sophisticated jazz version of the progressive rock group Yes (sans pseudo-poetic lyrics).
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:02:03pm |
Interesting article about WWII…
Bermuda Factored In 1942 US Invasion Scenario
A World War Two invasion of the US East Coast mounted and coordinated from an Axis base in Nazi-occupied Bermuda sounds like a scenario dreamed up by a science fiction writer — and it was.
But when “Life” magazine commissioned novelist Philip Wylie to come up with six variations based on the theme of an imminent German/Italian/Japanese attack on the United States, he was drawing on genuine military concerns then prevalent in Washington DC rather than his impressively fertile imagination. In the weeks following the December 7, 1941 Japanese air attack on the US naval facilities at Hawaii’s Pearl Harbour, American nerves were on edge about a possible Axis assault on the mainland.
The surprise military strike on the headquarters of its Pacific Fleet drew the previously neutral United States into World War Two [1939-1945]; four days after the Hawaiian naval base was crippled by two waves of carrier-based fighters, bombers and torpedo planes, Japan’s allies — Nazi Germany led by dictator Adolf Hitler [pictured above] and Benito Mussolini’s Fascist Italy — also declared war on the US.
The Axis grew out of the Anti-Comintern Pact, an anti-communist treaty signed by Nazi Germany and Japan in 1936. Italy joined the Pact in 1937. The “Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis” became a military alliance in 1939 leading to the integration of the military aims of Germany and its two treaty-bound allies.
In early 1942 “Life” — then one of the highest circulation news magazines in the US — approached Mr. Wylie, a “peacetime novelist, who later joined the Office of Facts and Figures in Washington”, as a sort of devil’s advocate to produce a series of speculative enemy invasion plans for the United States.
“When people say the US can lose the war, what they really mean is that some combination of the plans mapped here may work successfully for the Axis,” said the magazine. “Such an outcome, of course, presupposed that the enemy has nothing but good luck and the Allies nothing but bad luck.
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Read the rest.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:09:59pm |
Rick Wakeman eat your heart out.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:15:38pm |
I really don’t understand this one.
As I understand it, there are more people on the planet and in the US than there has ever been.
Me thinks the math is a bit hinky.
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Eclectic Cyborg Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:20:05pm |
re: #3 FemNaziBitch
I really don’t understand this one.
As I understand it, there are more people on the planet and in the US than there has ever been.
Me thinks the math is a bit hinky.
I think what the article is discussing is population distribution. If you cut the Middle East + China out of the map you remove a huge chunk of the world’s population right there.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:21:46pm |
re: #4 dragonfire1981
I think what the article is discussing is population distribution. If you cut the Middle East + China out of the map you remove a huge chunk of the world’s population right there.
The article seems to focus on Western Countries.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:27:38pm |
With a US Population of 315,341,856 &
COMPONENT SETTINGS FOR FEBRUARY 2013
One birth every 8 seconds
One death every 12 seconds
One international migrant (net) every 36 seconds
Net gain of one person every 15 seconds
and a steady increase in census numbers
How can anyone argue that we need to have more babies than we are having?
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:29:10pm |
re: #4 dragonfire1981
I think what the article is discussing is population distribution. If you cut the Middle East + China out of the map you remove a huge chunk of the world’s population right there.
but also, it is predicted that world population may peak sometime in the next 40 years and stabilize or decline thereafter
iirc in the u.s. currently overall population growth is coming from immigrants whereas among people born here the growth rate is replacement level only
in italy the native population level has been more or less flat for a number of years
consider this: if the u.s. population was not increasing, then the commonly used rule-of-thumb about the necessity of the economy producing 150 thousand new jobs every month just to keep up with population growth would be out the door, and the grow grow grow dynamics of the american economy would change radically
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:29:33pm |
never mind, I think I understand.
Author is a writer at the Weekly Standard.
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FemNaziBitch Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:30:17pm |
re: #7 engineer cat
but also, it is predicted that world population may peak sometime in the next 40 years and stabilize or decline thereafter
iirc in the u.s. currently overall population growth is coming from immigrants whereas among people born here the growth rate is replacement level only
in italy the native population level has been more or less flat for a number of years
consider this: if the u.s. population was not increasing, then the commonly used rule-of-thumb about the necessity of the economy producing 150 thousand new jobs every month just to keep up with population growth would be out the door, and the grow grow grow dynamics of the american economy would change radically
Isn’t that what we need? The planet can only sustain so many of us. We can only stand so many of us.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:40:05pm |
re: #8 FemNaziBitch
never mind, I think I understand.
Author is a writer at the Weekly Standard.
When the solution is less education for women and more religion for everyone, you have to figure there’s a political angle to the definition of the problem.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:49:17pm |
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:50:06pm |
re: #9 FemNaziBitch
Isn’t that what we need? The planet can only sustain so many of us. We can only stand so many of us.
i should think so, eh?
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 2:57:39pm |
@teapartycat CPI Inflation Calculator shows $2.15/hr in 1968 as being equal to $14.18/hr in 2012. data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpical…— Gus (@Gus_802) February 16, 2013
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:00:23pm |
The parents of a good friend brought in two bikes for me to work on. One is the old bike of my friend, which has been sitting in a shed for at least ten years. Her mother came in with the bike and a towel, and she was beating the bike with the towel and making clouds of dust. That’s one of the two things I’m allergic to. Now I have a headache and almost a queasy feeling, and I can’t go back out there until the dust settles. My friend’s father brought in a bike that’s never been assembled, still in the box. Less dust, but more spiders, living and dead.
I should charge extra.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:03:14pm |
re: #15 Gus
To Top Conservative Cat: Cat food prices went up. Your people need more $$ to pay for your food. //
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Professor Chaos Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:03:59pm |
re: #16 wrenchwench
The parents of a good friend brought in two bikes for me to work on. One is the old bike of my friend, which has been sitting in a shed for at least ten years. Her mother came in with the bike and a towel, and she was beating the bike with the towel and making clouds of dust. That’s one of the two things I’m allergic to. Now I have a headache and almost a queasy feeling, and I can’t go back out there until the dust settles. My friend’s father brought in a bike that’s never been assembled, still in the box. Less dust, but more spiders, living and dead.
I should charge extra.
As one of my co-workers likes to say, “Don’t blow off your tools in the shop, you knob!”
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:06:50pm |
re: #17 PhillyPretzel
To Top Conservative Cat: Cat Chow prices went up. Your people need more $$ to pay for your food. //
Cat food! Parody account. Just in case. :D
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:14:48pm |
re: #21 Gus
reload please. It is appearing on my screen.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:16:35pm |
re: #16 wrenchwench
Condolences. It’s peak allergy season here for me (tree pollen-acacia, conifers, etc.) It has barely rained in weeks, so I spent the last hour and a half out cleaning up the garden-weeding, cutting stuff back and just generally being sure I stuck my nose in a lot of dust and pollen, so I can really feel your pain.
eta: the barely rained part means nothing has washed the pollen off anything-just in case that wasn’t clear
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:29:20pm |
Emory U. president argues Three-Fifths Compromise was a “pragmatic half-victory” that helped unite America. Sheesh. goo.gl/G4HVp— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) February 16, 2013
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:34:00pm |
Tonight’s finale: Brussels gleams like a lace jewel. Amazingly clear, finely veined surrounding roads and towns. twitter.com/Cmdr_Hadfield/…— Chris Hadfield (@Cmdr_Hadfield) February 16, 2013
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engineer cat Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:38:32pm |
In 1968 I was making $2.15 an hour
in 1972 i was making minimum wage at $2.50/hr, but i lived in sublet room that cost me $100/month
cost of housing and medical care has gone up 3 to 5 times as fast as average compensation in the past 30 years
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Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:44:19pm |
re: #28 engineer cat
In 1968 I was making $2.15 an hour
in 1972 i was making minimum wage at $2.50/hr, but i lived in sublet room that cost me $100/month
cost of housing and medical care has gone up 3 to 5 times as fast as average compensation in the past 30 years
I hate it when bosses go on and on about how they used to only make X. If you don’t adjust for inflation, X is a meaningless data point. In 1852 I earned 8 a month.
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:55:31pm |
re: #25 wrenchwench
Seems like a complicated issue. Watch this:
Just the first half.
The 3/5ths Compromise actually kept southern representation down.
Edit.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:57:51pm |
re: #1 NJDhockeyfan
Interesting article about WWII…
Bermuda Factored In 1942 US Invasion Scenario
Read the rest.
GLADIATOR Philip Wylie?
Hm, seems like Cuba and Haiti, in addition to Bermuda, would be more likely. Three-pronged attack and such.
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 3:59:19pm |
Or maybe not. I don’t know. More reading here.
[Link: newscorpwatch.org…]
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:01:55pm |
Mah leg is up on the table and I haz ice on the ankle so mah research is skewed. :D
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:04:27pm |
re: #25 wrenchwench
Okay, check me on this: this dude is saying that counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person was a positive step in recognizing black people were people/citizens/Americans?
I’ll tentatively sign onto that bandwagon.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:04:51pm |
re: #34 Gus
I hope you have a nice adult beverage in your hand, helping you skew that research.
And the day I try to learn anything factual from Glenn Beck, you have my permission to have me institutionalized.
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:04:58pm |
re: #34 Gus
Mah leg is up on the table and I haz ice on the ankle so mah research is skewed. :D
Do you not have a cast on that thing?
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:06:38pm |
re: #35 chadu
Okay, check me on this: this dude is saying that counting slaves as 3/5ths of a person was a positive step in recognizing black people were people/citizens/Americans?
I’ll tentatively sign onto that bandwagon.
Um, no, it was so the south had more political power in the federal government by inflating their population. (Yes, I know, slaves were actually people, but they were considered property by the law.)
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:08:30pm |
re: #36 calochortus
I hope you have a nice adult beverage in your hand, helping you skew that research.
And the day I try to learn anything factual from Glenn Beck, you have my permission to have me institutionalized.
After last night I think I’ll wait. Beck is a turd. As for the Emory U. president, Hanlon’s razor probably applies.
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:09:03pm |
re: #37 b_sharp
Do you not have a cast on that thing?
It’s in a cast. The cold packs work the cold through.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:09:46pm |
re: #30 Gus
Seems like a complicated issue. Watch this:
[Embedded content]
Just the first half.
The 3/5ths Compromise actually kept southern representation down.
It’s undoubtedly complicated, and anytime there’s a compromise that is supposed to make further progress possible, it can be debated endlessly. But given that, and the sensitivity of the issue, perhaps the president of Emory could have chosen a different example of ‘pragmatic compromise’. He went on to say, ‘Something like this process occurs every week on a university campus,’ which trivializes it, to say the least.
As Smith’s next tweet says:
If you need to find an example of political compromise, surely you can do better than one in which black people were counted as part human.— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) February 16, 2013
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:10:49pm |
re: #41 wrenchwench
It’s undoubtedly complicated, and anytime there’s a compromise that is supposed to make further progress possible, it can be debated endlessly. But given that, and the sensitivity of the issue, perhaps the president of Emory could have chosen a different example of ‘pragmatic compromise’. He went on to say, ‘Something like this process occurs every week on a university campus,’ which trivializes it, to say the least.
As Smith’s next tweet says:
Yeah. Really dumb use of historical compromises.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:16:20pm |
re: #38 calochortus
Yeah, but saying they counted as people for their own nefarious purposes actually started a paper trail of African-Americans being treated as people?
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:17:12pm |
re: #39 Gus
After last night I think I’ll wait. Beck is a turd. As for the Emory U. president, Hanlon’s razor probably applies.
What happened last night?
Since the net effect was not to give Blacks any noticeable rights, and to increase the political power of the southern states, I’m guessing it’s not as complicated as one might think. But, I’m not a historian, so I won’t stake my reputation on it.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:20:14pm |
re: #45 calochortus
All I’m saying is that incorporating a definitive term/description/definition for black slaves, the South more or less signed it’s death warrant.
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:21:34pm |
Some reading about the 3/5ths clause America’s Constitution: A Biography
By Akhil Reed Amar. Starts at page 94.
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:22:12pm |
re: #44 calochortus
What happened last night?
Since the net effect was not to give Blacks any noticeable rights, and to increase the political power of the southern states, I’m guessing it’s not as complicated as one might think. But, I’m not a historian, so I won’t stake my reputation on it.
Too much booze.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:25:46pm |
re: #46 chadu
I don’t think so-it permitted the slave states to be far more powerful than they would have been been without the additional representation that counting 3/5 of the slaves as population. It probably prolonged slavery. I don’t think there was serious doubt that Blacks were people-perhaps a lower form, but people nonetheless. You don’t let non-humans nurse your babies, raise your children, and for the men-be your mistress.
What doomed slavery was both the increasing realization of the immorality of the system and the industrial revolution which made slavery far less economically beneficial. Or so I learned many decade ago in high school.
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wrenchwench Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:26:12pm |
anytime there’s a compromise that is supposed to make further progress possible, it can be debated endlessly.
I rest my case. :)
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:26:23pm |
re: #47 Gus
Some reading about the 3/5ths clause America’s Constitution: A Biography
By Akhil Reed Amar. Starts at page 94.
Here he is talking about the 3/5ths clause: America’s Constitutional Biography part 4
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:26:24pm |
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Gus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:31:38pm |
re: #53 chadu
Added to my Wishlist. Mercy buckets!
Found by way of Keith Olbermann. The author speaks about this in the video I posted above.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:33:14pm |
re: #49 calochortus
All you say is right; I’m just saying giving slaves any sort of representational role (as 3/5th of a person) killed the whole idea of them as simply property.
Common in the South: do something for momentary political advantage, and have the ramifications bite you in the ass.
(Well, common in New England, too.)
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:36:10pm |
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b_sharp Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:36:41pm |
re: #55 chadu
All you say is right; I’m just saying giving slaves any sort of representational role (as 3/5th of a person) killed the whole idea of them as simply property.
Common in the South: do something for momentary political advantage, and have the ramifications bite you in the ass.
(Well, common in New England, too.)
I think the 3/5 bit was about property.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:41:03pm |
re: #55 chadu
So, if slaveholders in the south began to recognize their slaves as human beings, why did they fight the Civil War? Why did they treat freed Blacks so badly for a century after that war?
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:48:15pm |
re: #57 b_sharp
I think the 3/5 bit was about property.
The 3/5 was about taxation and political representation. 3/5 of each slave counted toward the population figure used to determine seats in the House of Representatives.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:52:46pm |
re: #59 calochortus
So, if slaveholders in the south began to recognize their slaves as human beings, why did they fight the Civil War? Why did they treat freed Blacks so badly for a century after that war?
Because they were fucking stupid racists.
They recognized slaves for a political point, which they won, not understanding the precedent they’d set down.
To answer your question more completely:
They SAID that slaves were 3/5ths of a human being, for their own political purposes. In real life, they treated them as property.
They fought the Civil War because they were slaveholder douchebags.
They went all Jim Crow for the next century because they are bad losers, and want to fuck up anything that happened to be done right.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:54:50pm |
re: #61 chadu
Precisely-so I don’t think the 3/5 compromise was progress in any way.
Your opinion may differ.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:55:20pm |
With baseball season upon us, I thought I’d post a possibly interesting little tidbit I just learned at MLB.com.
The National League had its first two perfect games within 5 days of each other, on June 12 and June 17 of 1880. It then waited 84 years for the next one, which didn’t happen until June 21, 1964 (Jim Bunning).
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:55:43pm |
re: #60 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
Using a slave population for numbers, without a voice, sums up 1800s South for me.
Fuck them all to death with something spiky.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:57:04pm |
re: #60 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
The 3/5 was about taxation and political representation. 3/5 of each slave counted toward the population figure used to determine seats in the House of Representatives.
The irony was that the representatives from slave states wanted to count slaves as whole persons (to inflate their representation in Congress), whereas opponents of slavery didn’t want them counted at all.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:57:49pm |
re: #62 calochortus
Precisely-so I don’t think the 3/5 compromise was progress in any way.
Your opinion may differ.
Agreed.
The only way I think it was progress was that it was put in writing.
That’s a frank admission of what’s going on. At the time.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:58:03pm |
re: #64 chadu
Using a slave population for numbers, without a voice, sums up 1800s South for me.
Fuck them all to death with something spiky.
I think you may be late to that particular party.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 4:59:25pm |
re: #65 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
It is a fucked up question, and I’m glad I was born after 1870.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:00:16pm |
re: #67 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
I may or may not have access to a time machine.
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Achilles Tang Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:02:58pm |
re: #63 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
With baseball season upon us, I thought I’d post a possibly interesting little tidbit I just learned at MLB.com.
The National League had its first two perfect games within 5 days of each other, on June 12 and June 17 of 1880. It then waited 84 years for the next one, which didn’t happen until June 21, 1964 (Jim Bunning).
As we all know, the last large meteor strike was about 100 years ago, and then we have another along with a near miss on the same day. Ain’t probability fun?
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:08:37pm |
re: #71
As we all know, the last large meteor strike was about 100 years ago, and then we have another along with a near miss on the same day. Ain’t probability fun?
What do you think the chance of the repeat of Jim Botimngley’s 12 RBI’s is?
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:09:40pm |
re: #73 chadu
There must be an open italic tag there, but I can’t see it.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:12:24pm |
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:20:09pm |
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:20:42pm |
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:24:20pm |
Now, I’m thinking of what a second term of John Adams would mean.
I think TJ would be more mean.
And I think the CW would come 20 years earlier.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:30:54pm |
re: #78 chadu
Care to expand on that? An interesting idea, but I’m not seeing a direct connection.
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chadu Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:37:53pm |
re: #79 calochortus
Well, I think a second term of JA would see a build-up of the navy, and frankly more belligerence.
That would starch TJ up, and if Abigail dies during the second term, JA loses it completely.
War of 1812 in 1803.
TJ becomes more antifederalist; Madison actually distances himself from TJ; Calhoun becomes a more major player than he already was.
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calochortus Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:42:08pm |
A lot of “ifs”, but not out of the realm of possibility.
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dragonath Sat, Feb 16, 2013 5:52:35pm |
re: #62 calochortus
Well, it brought the South into the American system, for better or for worse. Imagine if the Atlantic Slave Trade had existed in the 1860s! There was a growing sentiment in the South towards this very thing, leading up to the Civil War.
It took but a spark to put this instinctive feeling into words, and words led to deeds. The movement first took definite form in the ever radical State of South Carolina. In 1854 a grand jury in the Williamsburg district declared, “as our unanimous opinion, that the Federal law abolishing the African Slave Trade is a public grievance. We hold this trade has been and would be, if re-established, a blessing to the American people, and a benefit to the African himself.”1 This attracted only local attention; but when, in 1856, the governor of the State, in his annual message, calmly argued at length for a reopening of the trade, and boldly declared that “if we cannot supply the demand for slave labor, then we must expect to be supplied with a species of labor we do not want,”2 such words struck even Southern ears like “a thunder clap in a calm day.”3 And yet it needed but a few years to show that South Carolina had merely been the first to put into words the inarticulate thought of a large minority, if not a majority, of the inhabitants of the Gulf States.
Interestingly enough, the international slave trade was forbidden by Confederate law, but Jefferson Davis had to veto a slave importation bill.
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jamesfirecat Sat, Feb 16, 2013 6:07:45pm |
re: #41 wrenchwench
It’s undoubtedly complicated, and anytime there’s a compromise that is supposed to make further progress possible, it can be debated endlessly. But given that, and the sensitivity of the issue, perhaps the president of Emory could have chosen a different example of ‘pragmatic compromise’. He went on to say, ‘Something like this process occurs every week on a university campus,’ which trivializes it, to say the least.
As Smith’s next tweet says:
DADT was a pragmatic compromise that while still horribly repressive was still a marked improvement over what came before.
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