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Meet the Press: McCain Snaps at David Gregory Over Benghazi Fake Outrage

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This is me, just shaking my head at the absolutely demented, ongoing Republican conspiracy theories about the Benghazi attack, as John McCain snaps at David Gregory on Meet the Press for daring to ask exactly what McCain thinks is being covered up. McCain never answers, of course, because that would be counter-productive. He’s selling fear and hatred of President Obama to the right wing base, and any real answers to his “questions” are beside the point. Getting specific would ruin the con.

Note: to date, there have been at least 20 briefings, 10 hearings, and more than 10,000 documents submitted to Congress on the Benghazi attack.

The continuing murky insinuations and conspiracy theories from the GOP are just more indicators of how far off the rails they are.

Also see:
McCain Goes After NBC Host for Questioning GOP’s Benghazi Conspiracy Theories

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402 comments

1 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:35:50am

I’d like to take a second and express shock at David Gregory, of all people, actually getting tough with a Republican.

2 jaunte  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:37:39am
“Certainly the most unimpressive that I’ve ever seen.”

Maybe if Hagel had just winked at McCain a bit more.

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:38:12am

re: #1 Targetpractice

I’d like to take a second and express shock at David Gregory, of all people, actually getting tough with a Republican.

To be fair, all he has to do to get tough is ask “What the hell do you even mean, man, your shit makes no sense.”

Because it doesn’t. It is another sign the GOP is not interested in convincing anyone outside their core base of anything. They are not a serious political party right now. They’re more like a scam.

4 makeitstop  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:38:15am

I’d get banned for giving voice to my feelings toward McCain right now, so I’ll just keep them to myself.

I do wish the old bastard would actually do some work for the common good once in a while. But I guess he doesn’t consider that to be his job any more.

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:39:20am

It doesn’t matter what was covered up, only that it was!
/

6 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:40:05am

Mehghazi

7 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:41:45am

Seriously, McCain’s little tantrum on Press the Meat is pretty much all the GOP has left anymore: “Four Americans died, don’t you care?!” It’s the same as their whole bit with Fast & Furious: “An American is dead, don’t you care?!” Meanwhile, 3,000 Americans died under the previous administration and it took a year of calls by families and politicians before Congress would deign to investigate the matter. And when they finally did, they threw all the blame on the guy who we now know, years later, was one of those blowing the whistle and being told to pipe down.

8 jaunte  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:42:18am

Obama called it a terror attack almost immediately. McCain is lying.

9 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:43:28am

“Do you care about 4 deaths?”. Fuck you John McCain.

10 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:43:34am

When did McCain actually sell his soul? 2001? 2003?

He was always a fuck-up, but when did he truly become this absolute tool?

11 Lidane  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:44:23am

re: #10 chadu

He was always a fuck-up, but when did he truly become this absolute tool?

When he lost the election in 2008.

12 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:44:25am

re: #4 makeitstop

I’d get banned for giving voice to my feelings toward McCain right now, so I’ll just keep them to myself.

I do wish the old bastard would actually do some work for the common good once in a while. But I guess he doesn’t consider that to be his job any more.

That’s how I’m feeling about Lindsey Graham.

13 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:45:25am

re: #10 chadu

When did McCain actually sell his soul? 2001? 2003?

He was always a fuck-up, but when did he truly become this absolute tool?

2008, when he realized he the grudge he’d been nursing since ‘00 against his own party wasn’t going to win him the presidency. So he instead took up nursing one against Obama.

14 allegro  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:45:29am

re: #11 Lidane

When he lost the election in 2008.

I see it as when he lost the primary to W in 2000.

15 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:47:13am

Conservatives love Benghazi only because the think they can use it against Hillary when she runs for President.

16 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:48:23am

re: #15 Iwouldprefernotto

Conservatives love Benghazi only because the think they can use it against Hillary when she runs for President.

They love it because they think it’ll succeed where F&F failed. If they keep at it long enough, they’ll catch the White House in a “lie” that they can then plow into impeachment charges.

17 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:49:21am

Wait, isn’t the implied narrative that Obama covered for Islamists because he is a secret Islamist and hates America.

How does that narrative even work against Hillary?

18 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:50:14am

re: #16 Targetpractice

What is F&F? Fail and fail some more?

19 Lidane  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:50:51am

re: #17 stabby

Wait, isn’t the implied narrative that Obama covered for Islamists because he is a secret Islamist and hates America.

How does that narrative even work against Hillary?

Because she covered up for the Seekrit Moozlim Kenyan Islamist that usurped the Presidency. Duh.

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20 Amory Blaine  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:50:55am

Fast and Furious.

21 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:51:48am

re: #18 stabby

What is F&F? Fail and fail some more?

Fast & Furious, the previous GOP “Just Asking Questions” extravaganza, where they wasted months of other people’s time and money chasing a conspiracy theory that the Obama Admin was running guns to Mexican drug cartels through the Justice Department in order to create the grounds for a massive gun confiscation program.

22 mumbly-joe  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:52:27am

Someone should probably tell McCain that you can disagree without being disagreeable.

23 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:52:35am

re: #17 stabby

Wait, isn’t the implied narrative that Obama covered for Islamists because he is a secret Islamist and hates America.

How does that narrative even work against Hillary?

Hilary was Sec of State. Benghazi happened on her watch.

24 erik_t  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:52:38am

I’d be curious to know the traction this story is getting even in the frothing-right base. My boss is a highly conservative evangelical put-armed-guards-in-schools whathaveyou, and even he just rolls his eyes out of their sockets whenever this topic comes up.

25 jaunte  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:53:31am

re: #16 Targetpractice

They love it because they think it’ll succeed where F&F failed. If they keep at it long enough, they’ll catch the White House in a “lie” that they can then plow into impeachment charges.

Rand Paul has already tried to assemble a Fast & Furious flavored smuggling-weapons-from-Libya-to-Syria conspiracy theory to float the idea that the president is ‘arming our enemies.’

26 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:54:06am

re: #21 Targetpractice

Well Eric Holder is a black man in a position of authority, appointed by Obama even. They have to attack him endlessly.

Racist hate is what drives the party.

27 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:54:43am

re: #24 erik_t

I’d be curious to know the traction this story is getting even in the frothing-right base. My boss is a highly conservative evangelical put-armed-guards-in-schools whathaveyou, and even he just rolls his eyes out of their sockets whenever this topic comes up.

Outside of the beltway no one gives a crap about Benghazi. It’s a dead issue. The people that believe it has legs are the same ones who were convinced that Romney would win in November.

28 makeitstop  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:54:58am

re: #12 stabby

That’s how I’m feeling about Lindsey Graham.

Him, too. The pair of them have stuck their fingers in the air and determined their survival depends upon giving the Teahadists cheap thrills and even cheaper talking points.

If either one of them had an ounce of integrity, they’d resign in shame. But that will never happen, hence my feelings about them that would get me banned.

29 erik_t  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:55:38am

re: #27 Iwouldprefernotto

Outside of the beltway no one gives a crap about Benghazi. It’s a dead issue. The people that believe it has legs are the same ones who were convinced that Romney would win in November.

Dead, or undead? I mean, was it ever alive?

30 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:56:24am

re: #27 Iwouldprefernotto

Outside of the beltway no one gives a crap about Benghazi. It’s a dead issue. The people that believe it has legs are the same ones who were convinced that Romney would win in November.

He DID win, the country just isn’t gerrymandered and electoral college gamed properly yet.

You’ll see.

We’ll get urban blacks back down to their 3/5ths

31 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:57:03am

re: #26 stabby

Well Eric Holder is a black man in a position of authority, appointed by Obama even. They have to attack him endlessly.

Racist hate is what drives the party.

Racism is an element, but the driving goal is largely the same: Getting at Obama through a major member of his administration. If they can’t get Obama outright, they want him to force somebody they hate in his administration (Holder in F&F, Rice/Clinton in Benghazi) to resign as a consolation prize.

32 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:57:10am

re: #28 makeitstop

I thought McCain was retiring.

33 Tigger2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:57:36am

What the hell McCain you think the Republicans own this country and can only go right, there’s nothing wrong with the country going back to the left.

34 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:58:34am

re: #27 Iwouldprefernotto

Outside of the beltway no one gives a crap about Benghazi. It’s a dead issue. The people that believe it has legs are the same ones who were convinced that Romney would win in November.

Yeah, but the Beltway folks keep telling themselves “They thought the same thing about Watergate!” Except, you know, Watergate actually involved a crime. Over five months later, the GOP still can’t even prove a crime occurred.

35 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:59:14am

re: #24 erik_t

I’d be curious to know the traction this story is getting even in the frothing-right base. My boss is a highly conservative evangelical put-armed-guards-in-schools whathaveyou, and even he just rolls his eyes out of their sockets whenever this topic comes up.

TGDN is a seething cauldron of Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi-stan. It’s one of the main flavors of the OBAMAHATECASSEROLE.

36 erik_t  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:59:47am

re: #34 Targetpractice

Yeah, but the Beltway folks keep telling themselves “They thought the same thing about Watergate!” Except, you know, Watergate actually involved a crime. Over five months later, the GOP still can’t even prove a crime occurred.

Fuck that, over five months later the GOP still can’t even articulate what sort of crime might have occurred.

“We’re just asking questions” works better when the question isn’t “WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM AMERICA”, repeated ad nauseum and accompanied by the stomping of feet.

37 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 11:59:53am

re: #9 Amory Blaine

“Do you care about 4 deaths?”. Fuck you John McCain.

What last bit of respect I had for the man was lost when he asked that douchey rhetorical question.

I’d ask the question of him.

38 erik_t  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:00:26pm

re: #35 Vicious Babushka

TGDN is a seething cauldron of Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi-stan. It’s one of the main flavors of the OBAMAHATECASSEROLE.

Those three hundred people, frankly, don’t really count. They might as well be Code Pink.

39 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:01:08pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

Yeah, but the Beltway folks keep telling themselves “They thought the same thing about Watergate!” Except, you know, Watergate actually involved a crime. Over five months later, the GOP still can’t even prove a crime occurred.

They’re not trying to prove anything - it’s a deliberate strategy to keep it murky and undefined, so the right wing base can just fill in the blanks with whatever hate meme they like.

40 Charles Johnson  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:01:54pm

That’s why McCain refuses to get specific. Getting specific would ruin the con.

41 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:01:55pm

re: #36 erik_t

Fuck that, over five months later the GOP still can’t even articulate what sort of crime might have occurred.

“We’re just asking questions” works better when the question isn’t “WHAT ARE YOU HIDING FROM AMERICA”, repeated ad nauseum and accompanied by the stomping of feet.

Because at this point, the accusatory tone is all they have. If they admit they can’t prove a crime did occur, then they’ve got nothing. So instead they keep insinuating that a crime had to have occurred, else four people wouldn’t be dead.

42 makeitstop  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:02:48pm

re: #32 stabby

I thought McCain was retiring.

I’ll believe it when I see it. He lives to be recognized as an ‘elder statesman’ and getting his face time on the Sunday shows. He’s as strung out as some tweaker in a trailer somewhere, always thinking about where the next bag of meth is going to come from. I think if he didn’t have these dopes on TV telling him what an awesome Old Lion he is, he’d just get more and more pissy towards everything and everyone.

I really feel sorry for his wife once he does retire. Without shows like Gregory’s where he can vent his rage, she’ll probably get the brunt of it.

43 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:04:36pm

re: #42 makeitstop

The Republican party is proof that old white men need paxil

44 erik_t  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:05:10pm

re: #42 makeitstop

Oldmanyellsatcloud.jpg was practically invented for John damned McCain. The Simpsons can occasionally be prophetic.

45 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:05:29pm

(that was the result of trying to google which ssri is the most sedating)

46 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:06:09pm

re: #32 stabby

I thought McCain was retiring.

Closest thing to retirement we’ve seen of late is that he’s barred by term limits from ever serving again as a committee chair. Which means he’s relegated to being a backbencher for the rest of his career. But actually retire from politics? It’ll never happen, the man is entirely too vain to just disappear into the aether. Hell, if he ever did retire, the Sunday shows would have to search for a new “reasonable Republican.”

47 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:07:55pm

re: #46 Targetpractice

Closest thing to retirement we’ve seen of late is that he’s barred by term limits from ever serving again as a committee chair. Which means he’s relegated to being a backbencher for the rest of his career. But actually retire from politics? It’ll never happen, the man is entirely too vain to just disappear into the aether. Hell, if he ever did retire, the Sunday shows would have to search for a new “reasonable Republican.”

Tourrettes guy?

48 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:09:06pm

McCain is pathetic. He continues to debase himself in a hopeless effort to stay relevant in the GOP. The deranged base has long since dismissed him as a loser and a RINO.

49 jamesfirecat  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:10:36pm

re: #11 Lidane

When he lost the election in 2008.

He lost it a few months before that when he gave Sarah Palin his VP nod.

50 makeitstop  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:21:59pm

Get a crash cart in here, stat! The thread, it has gone toes-up!

51 freetoken  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:24:11pm

re: #49 jamesfirecat

He lost it a few months before that when he gave Sarah Palin his VP nod.

McCain would have lost regardless - the country was in an anti-GWB mood and took it out on the Republican nominee.

Palin was simply an “Hail Sarah” attempt by McCain, who knew he was in a losing battle.

52 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:27:33pm

re: #50 makeitstop

Get a crash cart in here, stat! The thread, it has gone toes-up!

heh. You should have been here from about 1 a.m (Eastern) till about 5 a.m this morning!!!

heading of the thread was (after awhile) appropriatly,, “YAWNS” !!!

53 freetoken  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:27:50pm

Carson says 2016 run ‘up to God’ after pushing flat tax at National Prayer Breakfast

The pediatric neurosurgeon who shocked Washington by using his speech at the non-partisan National Prayer Breakfast earlier this month to suggest that the Bible calls for a flat tax now says that God might tell him to run for president in 2016.


[…]

I wonder if God will be up to his old tricks again, telling multiple people to run for the Republican nomination at the same time?

54 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:27:51pm

Hey, there’s some Canadian dude in the pages who linked to an article that reads:

George Takach a can­di­date for the lead­er­ship of the fed­eral Lib­eral party, if elected, plans to im­ple­ment a car­bon tax by putting a price on car­bon emis­sions, which many sci­en­tists claim are caus­ing, or con­tribut­ing to, cli­mate change and air pol­lu­tion.

“Tax grabs…?” Scientists claiming? Do tell.

Ah, climate change denial, not just an American thing anymore.

55 freetoken  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:32:46pm

Erratic behavior of humans:

Mom strips during school assembly

A central New York woman hopped on the stage during a school assembly and began stripping, police said.

Aydrea Meaders, 24, was attending a Black History Month presentation at her child’s school. WTEN-TV, Albany, N.Y., said Meaders had been acting normally during the event, conversing with the school’s principal.

During a dance number, Meaders hopped on stage and began dancing with the students performing.

“That wasn’t an expected part of the routine but she wasn’t doing anything inappropriate,” Albany schools spokesman Ron Lesko told WXAA-TV, Albany, N.Y.

But things quickly went downhill.

Meaders removed her coat and top, stripping nude to the waist down, police said.

School personnel rushed the stage and ushered her to a place where students couldn’t see her, Lesko said.

[…]

The tenuous existence of the in-control psyche.

56 bratwurst  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:32:51pm

Just now seeing this…McCain’s behavior is nothing short of obnoxious.

57 TedStriker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:35:25pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Racism is an element, but the driving goal is largely the same: Getting at Obama through a major member of his administration. If they can’t get Obama outright, they want him to force somebody they hate in his administration (Holder in F&F, Rice/Clinton in Benghazi) to resign as a consolation prize.

Death of a thousand cuts.

58 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:38:42pm

re: #55 freetoken

Erratic behavior of humans:

Mom strips during school assembly

The tenuous existence of the in-control psyche.

Her intro as the new POLE DANCING 101 teacher!
/

59 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:41:09pm

“stripping nude to the waist down” is legal in plenty of places.

Wasn’t there something passed up in a Canadian province recently?

Horrors, breasts. Something every baby sees (and more) regularly, but somehow they’re too much for us AFTER we’re babies.

60 freetoken  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:42:16pm

re: #59 stabby

Seven counts of “child endangerment” she will be charged. Seems a bit excessive to me, but we’re still dealing with post-Victorian fallout.

61 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:44:23pm

Sports news…history made in Daytona today.

Danica Patrick becomes first woman to win pole for Daytona 500

62 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:44:57pm

re: #60 freetoken

Maybe she beat kids up with her breasts.
Sent them sprawling across the stage, covered in bruises.

63 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:46:19pm

re: #59 stabby

Yeah, but this was in school, and now her kids are going to have to deal with the aftermath. I’m fine with nudity, but there’s a reason why we have some social norms. We shouldn’t be so overcome with stupid over boobies but we are. The charges pending are stupid too. This woman needs some help.

64 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:46:37pm

Actually the phrase “to the waist down” is nonsense

is it “to the waist”
or is it “FROM the waist down”

I think we can’t tell what that badly written, badly edited article is trying to say.

65 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:49:40pm

re: #63 A Mom Anon

now her kids are going to have to deal with the aftermath.

If we had any sense we’d realize that the “aftermath” of arresting people and taking children away (which may happen) is worse than the supposed problem.

It’s like that with most of our laws. Someone smokes some pot in Texas, (or they find a perfectly clean pot pipe and look for microscopic residue), or a single tab of acid , why put him jail for 50 years, ruin his life, destroy his family… LOOK, EVERYTHING IS ALL BETTER!

66 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:49:49pm

re: #59 stabby

“stripping nude to the waist down” is legal in plenty of places.

I would think anyone would ( at least, SHOULD) agree that a school assembly isn’t one of those places!

67 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:50:56pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

“stripping nude to the waist down” is legal in plenty of places.

I would think anyone would ( at least, SHOULD) agree that a school assembly isn’t one of those places!

And insomuch as she is 24 and the article states it was at “her childs school” we can assume it was a grade school, not a HS or college!

68 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:51:39pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

Yep that woman bought the farm. She broke one of our last taboos so expect everyone within a mile of her to be nuked. We can’t help it, we must destroy!

69 freetoken  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:55:55pm

Some serious “child endangerment” going on here.

70 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:57:31pm

re: #69 freetoken

I was expecting a pic of mardi gras

71 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:58:47pm

re: #68 stabby

Yep that woman bought the farm. She broke one of our last taboos so expect everyone within a mile of her to be nuked. We can’t help it, we must destroy!

Yup, Thats EXACTLY what I said

(except for the part where I didn’t)

72 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 12:59:41pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

It’s implied. And true.

73 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #67 sattv4u2

And insomuch as she is 24 and the article states it was at “her childs school” we can assume it was a grade school, not a HS or college!

Yep. Elementary school. Call me strange but I think any adult that disrobes this way in front of ANY child should not be tolerated. As far as what kind of penalties are concerned that’s not a decision that I would make.

74 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:02:39pm

re: #73 Gus

Yep. Elementary school. Call me strange but I think any adult that disrobes this way in front of ANY child should not be tolerated. As far as what kind of penalties are concerned that’s not a decision that I would make.

So you want her waterboarded then keel hauled then burnt at the stake

Hey, it was “implied, and true” !!!

{sigh}

75 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:04:02pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

So you want her waterboarded then keel hauled then burnt at the stake

Hey, it was “implied, and true” !!!

{sigh}

N’derp. I know, right.

76 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:04:38pm

re: #60 freetoken

Seven counts of “child endangerment” she will be charged. Seems a bit excessive to me, but we’re still dealing with post-Victorian fallout.

And yet they will tolerate politicians.
/

77 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:06:09pm

re: #60 freetoken

Seven counts of “child endangerment” she will be charged. Seems a bit excessive to me, but we’re still dealing with post-Victorian fallout.

Seems excessive perhaps. So, what if a man did this and all that about post-Victorian stuff?

78 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:07:32pm

nsfw Image: mardi-gras-no.jpgre: #77 Gus

A man who took his shirt off would probably be an embarrasment and asked to put it back on. Probably no one would call the cops.

79 Usually refered to as anyways  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:09:08pm

Stripping nude to the waist down?

Boobs!

Tim Minchin - Confessions - Feminism, Poverty (Altruism), Environment

Maybe NSFW…

80 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:09:34pm

You guys stop talking about nipples or I’m gonna have to foist a Scott Brown picture on you all.

81 John Q  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:11:21pm

The Bobblespeak Translator puts the Sunday shows in plain language.

[Link: www.moonshinepatriot.blogspot.com…]

Translation of the McCain segment:

“Gregory: Senator McCain you told Fox News
that the real reason you oppose Chuck Hagel
is because he was mean to George W. Bush
and turned on his own party

McCain: that never happened

Gregory: it’s on videotape

McCain: ok then it’s true

Gregory: that’s sounds kind of bad

McCain: Hagel loves Iran and didn’t
support the Surge

Gregory: gosh

Gregory: when you were running for President
you proposed Chuck Hagel for Secretary of Defense

McCain: he hates Israel!

Gregory: oh my

McCain: the Crucifixion of John Tower
was the worst thing I’ve ever seen since the
Flagellation of Robert Bork and the
Taunting of Clarence Thomas

Gregory: what’s the deal with your obsession
with Benghazi?

McCain: we need a timeline of Obama actions
the night of the attack and why did Obama
say he called it a terrorist attack

Gregory: because he did

McCain: but there are so many semantic
questions about Benghazi!

Gregory: this has been about wordplay?

McCain: There has been a massive cover-up!

Gregory: A cover up of what?!?

McCain: do you care that four Americans died!

Gregory: what is Obama supposedly covering up?

McCain: is Obama a member of al-qaeda?!?
who can say?!

Gregory: would you be willing to raise
taxes to avoid sequester?

McCain: Obama should lead!
Except on immigration!

Gregory: speaking of immigration –
if Obama proposes legislation will it fail?

McCain: of course it will

Gregory: why?

McCain: because Obama has cooties!

Gregory: so if his name is on it – it must fail?

McCain: yes – does Obama want a law
with no credit or a law with his name
on it which must fail?”

82 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:16:11pm

re: #77 Gus

what if a man did this

I tried
Nobody noticed (nor cared)

I had the sadz!!

//

83 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:16:48pm

The immigration bit is really telling. The White House “leaked” their own proposal yesterday and the GOP immediately started throwing a tantrum. Today, the White House response was “Don’t like what we proposed? Then get your ass in gear and we won’t send the bill to Congress.”

84 A Mom Anon  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:18:50pm

re: #65 stabby

I think the charges are stupid and excessive. This is also not a culture where nudity in day to day life is common, or things might be different, like she wouldn’t have had much clothing on to begin with(and neither would anyone else for that matter). This is an elementary school having an event focused on the kids. This young woman has some sort of problem and shouldn’t have been arrested, she should have been evaluated and offered help. This almost sounds like someone having a bad reaction to meds, someone who is self medicating due to being overwhelmed or someone with some mental health issue. We should offer compassion first, not punishment. And her kids will experience fall out with their peers over this, that can have a profound effect and it can follow them around to another school even.

85 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:20:21pm

re: #84 A Mom Anon

Not sure but I think there might be mental health issues involved here.

86 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:20:46pm

re: #69 freetoken

Some serious “child endangerment” going on here.

yup, because every culture is the exact same

So, in your town, where do they chop off the hands of thieves? Town hall? The Legion Post? Wal Marts parking lot ??

87 Kronocide  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:22:18pm

re: #20 Amory Blaine

Fast and Furious.

Actually, he’s just Furious. Really Furious.

88 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:22:58pm

re: #85 Gus

Not sure but I think their might be mental health issues involved here.

going out on a limb there, are ya?
/

89 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:23:37pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

So chopping the hands off of thieves isn’t a serious human rights violation or a crime against humanity when certain people do it, but it is when other people do it?

Strange sense of rights and justice you have there.

90 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:23:37pm

The official GOP position on Benghazi (And other issues) is a conspiracy theory.
Our resident conservatives must be so proud.

91 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:23:44pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

yup, because every culture is the exact same

You win the prize!

Image: 6a00e553bc36a38834012876f2f4c0970c-pi.jpg

92 Targetpractice  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:27:41pm

re: #90 Varek Raith

The official GOP position on Benghazi (And other issues) is a conspiracy theory.
Our resident conservatives must be so proud.

They keep waiting for the mythical “reasonable Republican” who will step forth and return the party to sanity.

93 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:27:52pm

Staffing an Embassy in a War Zone, what could possibly go wrong?

Everyone who served knew the risks.

94 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:28:15pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

They keep waiting for the mythical “reasonable Republican” who will step forth and return the party to sanity.

Colin Powell has said some sane things. . .

95 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:28:37pm

re: #89 stabby

So chopping the hands off of thieves isn’t a serious human rights violation or a crime against humanity when certain people do it, but it is when other people do it?

Strange sense of rights and justice you have there.

Yup! Again,. thats exactly what I said

(except, of course, where I didn’t again)

but, But ,, BUT ,, it was IMPLIED!!!!!

96 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:29:26pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

Colin Powell has said some sane things…

And they’ve crucified him for it.

97 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:30:35pm

re: #91 dragonath

You win the prize:

Image: 6a00e553bc36a38834012876f2f4c0970c-pi.jpg

A),, I didn’t know they took my photo

B),, I;m sure that mag is on sale in every grade school in the country!!

98 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:30:49pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

Now you’re playing McCain’s trick of being vague so that you can imply what you won’t say.

So go on, what’s your point about “every culture” and “cutting the hands off of thieves” again?

Be specific.

99 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:31:33pm
100 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:33:45pm

re: #98 stabby

Now you’re playing McCain’s trick of being vague so that you can imply what you won’t say.

So go on, what’s your point about “every culture” and “cutting the hands off of thieves” again?

Be specific.

Please try to follow along

FREETOKEN posted a link showing women (with exposed breasts) with children and stated “Some serious “child endangerment”” (which is the point of this lady stripping in the grammar school)

MY point was that wherever that photo was taken, that’s THEIR culture/ norm, NOT ours

In places where they chop hands off for stealing, thats THEIR culture (and no, I’ve never defended it ) NOT ours

{sigh}

101 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:36:12pm

re: #98 stabby

((btw ,,, you missed downdinging #95)

102 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:38:04pm

re: #100 sattv4u2

Once again deja vu to the republicans. If I don’t agree with you it’s your messaging not your message somehow?

You won’t commit to “cutting off hands” ISN’T bad some places. But you defend things by implying that it’s somehow different just because it’s CONSIDERED acceptable elsewhere.

In what sense is ACTUAL right and wrong somehow malleable to mere opinion? Why would it even be relevant what people think?

103 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:38:28pm

re: #98 stabby

Now you’re playing McCain’s trick of being vague so that you can imply what you won’t say.

So go on, what’s your point about “every culture” and “cutting the hands off of thieves” again?

Be specific.

heh,,, just realized

You didn’t know “what(s) your point” from #86, yet felt strong enough about that point to downding it!!

Odd ,, very odd

104 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:38:56pm

re: #95 sattv4u2

Yup! Again,. thats exactly what I said

(except, of course, where I didn’t again)

but, But ,, BUT ,, it was IMPLIED!!!!!

Ear stretching which appears to be a relatively benign practice which begin at a very young age amongst the Hmong people of Thailand. They do it therefore it should be allowed in the USA, right? That would work out well.

Comparing five topless women in a remote village amongst their children does not equal some possibly crazy women possibly exposing her genitalia in front of grade school children. They have their norms, we have our norms. This would be like comparing a mother nursing her baby in public to a topless dance act of sorts. Not the same. None of it.

105 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:39:49pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

I only remember downdinging one comment that I thought was dumb.

Don’t whine, I get downdinged by hundreds per thread.

106 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:40:14pm

re: #105 stabby

I only remember downdinging one comment that I thought was dumb.

Don’t whine, I get downdinged by hundreds per thread.

no comment needed!!!

107 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:40:41pm

re: #105 stabby

Don’t whine, I get downdinged by hundreds per thread.

St. Stabby

108 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:41:04pm

So apparently my brother was on Al-Jeezera English for 30 minutes yesterday doing an interview about a German film festival. Today, he’s meeting Rachel Weisz to do an interview.

In the mean time, I’m going to Home Depot to look at materials to build a gaming table.

109 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:41:09pm

re: #104 Gus

stop implying that a mother nursing her baby in public in the USA is the same as beheading people in the Arab world!!
/ {double sigh}

110 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:41:58pm

re: #108 Kragar (Antichrist )

So apparently my brother was on Al-Jeezera English for 30 minutes yesterday doing an interview about a German film festival. Today, he’s meeting Rachel Weisz to do an interview.

In the mean time, I’m going to Home Depot to look at materials to build a gaming table.

I got to hold a baby today—and put it to sleep.

Can anyone top that?

111 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:42:38pm

re: #108 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Antichrist has a brother and he’s talking to Al-Jazeera?

Don’t let Pamela Gellar know about this.

112 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:43:07pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

Oh I understood your point just fine.

You’re the one denying what you mean and refusing to be pinned down to having said anything that you said.

113 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:44:10pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

I got to hold a baby today—and put it to sleep.

Can anyone top that?

I made 5 grade school girls scream in terror and gave them zombie lessons last night.

114 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:44:33pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

I got to hold a baby today—and put it to sleep.

Can anyone top that?

I got an emergency root canal yesterday. I top the event list.

115 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:44:51pm

re: #113 Kragar (Antichrist )

I made 5 grade school girls scream in terror and gave them zombie lessons last night.

That was last night.

116 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:45:07pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

I got an emergency root canal yesterday. I top the event list.

I bet you feel a lot better!

117 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:45:32pm

re: #115 FemNaziBitch

That was last night.

within the last 24 hours. SO HA!

118 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:45:47pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

I got an emergency root canal yesterday. I top the event list.

Ugh.

119 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:46:08pm

re: #117 Kragar (Antichrist )

within the last 24 hours. SO HA!

nit, pick, nit, pick!

120 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:46:15pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

I got an emergency root canal yesterday. I top the event list.

I have coffee.

121 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:46:16pm

re: #116 FemNaziBitch

I bet you feel a lot better!

I do. I do. My wallet is spazzing, but I feel a lot better.

122 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:46:52pm

re: #102 stabby

If I don’t agree with you

I could give a rats ass less if you do or don’t

As a matter of fact, due to the I get downdinged by hundreds per thread I’m proud we don’t agree!!

You won’t commit to “cutting off hands” ISN’T bad some places

Except for the pesky comment I made that stating “(and no, I’ve never defended it )”

123 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:46:58pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

I have coffee.

ok, you win.

124 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:47:38pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

I have coffee.

Don’t think I’m allowed yet.

125 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:48:07pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

I do. I do. My wallet is spazzing, but I feel a lot better.

I know how you feel.
Two years ago I needed one. Couldn’t afford it. So, I had them just pull the tooth.
God, I felt sooooo much better after that.
:)

126 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:48:21pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea

Don’t think I’m allowed yet.

(((((Stanley Sea))))))

127 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:48:26pm

re: #112 stabby

Oh I understood your point just fine.

You’re the one denying what you mean and refusing to be pinned down to having said anything that you said.

No. What I WON’T allow someone to “pin me down” on is telling me what I said (when I didn’t ) or what I’m “implying” (which I didn’t) so then they can attack things I’ve never said NOR implied

128 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:48:40pm

re: #124 Stanley Sea

Don’t think I’m allowed yet.

Ok, that’s just evil.

129 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:49:18pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

I have coffee.

I’m knocking on your door in, 3, 2, 1,,,,,,,

130 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:49:39pm

re: #128 Varek Raith

Ok, that’s just evil.

Would a straw work?

131 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:50:25pm

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

Would a straw work?

Straws are no-nos.

132 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:50:27pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

They keep waiting for the mythical “reasonable Republican” who will step forth and return the party to sanity.

To them sanity is just a matter of messaging. IE spin.

133 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:50:50pm

re: #127 sattv4u2
You still won’t give a single reason why your example was cutting hands off and how that could be relevant.

Funny how you ignored my demand that you explain that.

134 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:50:54pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Straws are no-nos.

why?

135 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:50:58pm

re: #129 sattv4u2

I’m knocking on your door in, 3, 2, 1,,,,,,,

I have plenty.
And this.
[Link: www.keurig.com…]
Awesome.

136 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:51:16pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

I know how you feel.
Two years ago I needed one. Couldn’t afford it. So, I had them just pull the tooth.
God, I felt sooooo much better after that.
:)

Yeah. Heavy dental care is for the rich. I’m going to suffer hard for this, but they kind of had me where they wanted me.

I was in so much pain Friday night - I woke up at 2 am and just moaned and moaned and sent off some delirious emails. To relatives with money. haha.

137 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:51:19pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

I have plenty.
And this.
[Link: www.keurig.com…]
Awesome.

I hate that thing. Makes a horrible cuppa.

138 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:51:42pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

why?

Maybe I’m thinking fillings and not canals…

139 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:51:57pm

re: #133 stabby

You still won’t give a single reason why your example was cutting hands off and how that could be relevant.

Funny how you ignored my demand that you explain that.

Your “DEMAND”!!!
Mmmmmkkkkaaaaayyy!!

140 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:52:05pm

re: #134 FemNaziBitch

why?

Suction? I think it forces whatever they put in there to come out.

141 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:52:17pm

re: #137 FemNaziBitch

I hate that thing. Makes a horrible cuppa.

I’m spoiled by the easiness of it.
Then again, I drink low grade coffee to begin with.
XD

142 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:52:24pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Yeah. Heavy dental care is for the rich. I’m going to suffer hard for this, but they kind of had me where they wanted me.

I was in so much pain Friday night - I woke up at 2 am and just moaned and moaned and sent off some delirious emails. To relatives with money. haha.

Dental work can be a bottomless pit. There are dentists who will just keep finding things to do instead of leaving well enough alone.

143 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:53:08pm

re: #139 sattv4u2

Sorry for catching your highness meaning anything.

I will pretend along with you that you don’t say anything that you say. You might continue to get angry after all.

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:53:18pm

re: #136 Stanley Sea

Yeah. Heavy dental care is for the rich. I’m going to suffer hard for this, but they kind of had me where they wanted me.

I was in so much pain Friday night - I woke up at 2 am and just moaned and moaned and sent off some delirious emails. To relatives with money. haha.

Bet you feel like jumping through hoops of joy now that the pain is mostly gone.

145 Achilles Tang  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:53:19pm

re: #133 stabby

You still won’t give a single reason why your example was cutting hands off and how that could be relevant.

Funny how you ignored my demand that you explain that.

Drones.

146 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:53:27pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

I’m spoiled by the easiness of it.
Then again, I drink low grade coffee to begin with.
XD

YOu can’t win with a Keurig. The prize has to go to Stanley Sea with the root canal.

147 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:54:05pm

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

YOu can’t win with a Keurig. The prize has to go to Stanley Sea with the root canal.

Lol.

148 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:54:13pm

re: #133 stabby

You still won’t give a single reason why your example was cutting hands off and how that could be relevant.

Funny how you ignored my demand that you explain that.

So anywho

Would beheading be a better example? A Turkish style imprisonment??

Here. Take your pick. Choose something that the norm “there” that we don’t do here in the states and use that instead

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

149 Stanley Sea  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:54:18pm

re: #144 Varek Raith

Bet you feel like jumping through hoops of joy now that the pain is mostly gone.

Absolutely. I don’t think there is anything as bad as tooth pain.

Now I’m ready for real food that I can’t have yet.

150 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:54:54pm
151 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:55:12pm

bbl

152 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:55:13pm

Tooth pain.
The only procedure you consider doing yourself to get rid of the pain.

153 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:57:47pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

Absolutely. I don’t think there is anything as bad as tooth pain.

Now I’m ready for real food that I can’t have yet.

It’s horrible.
A dislocated knee (Twice!) is paradise compared to that.

154 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:58:03pm

The bigger question is how do the Dani tribesmen keep their penis gourds in place.

NSFW

155 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:58:14pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

I don’t know what Turkish imprisonment means. Gritty coffee included?

You were implying that right and wrong are local.

My point of view is that they’re not, they’re tied to outcome, result and to rights.

And if cultures disagree then one or both cultures are wrong.

156 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:59:19pm

re: #155 stabby

I don’t know what Turkish imprisonment means. Gritty coffee included?

You were implying that right and wrong are local.

My point of view is that they’re not, they’re tied to outcome, result and to rights.

And if cultures disagree then one or both cultures are wrong.

No! It’s an insult to the Dani tribeswomen to even compare.

157 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 1:59:27pm

re: #154 Gus

The bigger question is how do the Dani tribesmen keep their penis gourds in place.

NSFW

I don’t wanna know.

158 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:00:32pm

re: #154 Gus

Hello, mummy?

159 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:00:35pm

re: #154 Gus

The bigger question is how do the Dani tribesmen keep their penis gourds in place.

NSFW

That IS impressive.

160 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:00:36pm

Dani tribesman walking around with penis gourds does not equal some crazy dude that takes his pants off in front of a school bus full of children. Outcome or whatever.

161 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:01:14pm

re: #158 dragonath

Hello, mummy?

Yep. That’s a mummy in the gallery.

162 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:01:15pm

re: #153 Varek Raith

It’s horrible.
A dislocated knee (Twice!) is paradise compared to that.

Passing a kidney stone

end of story, I win!!

163 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:01:31pm

re: #159 stabby

Most cultures, most people are wrong most of the time. That’s the state of humanity.

Most people? Certaintly not you

164 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:01:45pm

Oops started to write something, forgot about it, then linked to Gus

I edited the first part out, now

165 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:02:16pm

re: #163 dragonath

That part wasn’t connected to linking to gus.

I forgot i was writing that.

166 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:02:59pm

re: #154 Gus

The bigger question is how do the Dani tribesmen keep their penis gourds in place.

NSFW

The guy walking in front of them has a photo of Sofia Vergara taped to his back!!
[Link: www.google.com…]

167 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:03:22pm

re: #163 dragonath

it was an elaboration on 155

damn you can’t just change the number and make the link work

168 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:05:18pm

oops, strange things happen if you try to make a comment pop up link by hand. It shows the wrong link and gives it a different number when it displays it than it actually has

169 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:05:53pm

re: #155 stabby

I don’t know what Turkish imprisonment means

Seriously, how old are you, 14??

You were implying that right and wrong are local

I wasn’t “implying” anything. What I was flat out saying is that societal norms are different “local”

And if cultures disagree then one or both cultures are wrong.

ummm,, NO !!

170 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:06:56pm

re: #169 sattv4u2

societal norms are not actual morality.

Even if everyone you know thinks that cutting off hands is great and God wants it, it’s still horrible.

171 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:06:59pm

re: #163 dragonath

Most people? Certaintly not you

ouch

BTW , what are you “implying”!?!?

172 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:08:31pm

If a society thinks that slavery is just great, that is not an actual defense of slavery, so your idea that societal norms are worth defending apriori is nonsense.

173 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:09:24pm

It works the other way too. If everyone thinks that eating beef is infinitely worse than eating chicken that doesn’t make it so.

174 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:09:49pm

re: #172 stabby

If a society thinks that slavery is just great, that is not an actual defense of slavery, so your idea that societal norms are worth defending apriori is nonsense.

I NEVER FRAKKIN SAID THEY WERE!!!

Geeezzz

Okay,,, lets try it this way

WHERE did I say that !?!?!

175 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:10:27pm

So if you aren’t saying that we should accept norms simply because they’re norms then you are saying nothing at all.

Thus the disagreement.

176 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:11:01pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

I NEVER FRAKKIN SAID THEY WERE!!!

Geeezzz

Okay,,, lets try it this way

WHERE did I say that !?!?!

Then what was the purpose of bringing them up?

You were saying nothing at all?

177 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:12:12pm

re: #175 stabby

So if you aren’t saying that we should accept norms simply because they’re norms then you are saying nothing at all.

Thus the disagreement.

stabby

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Karma: 498

I now understand why

178 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:14:02pm

re: #177 sattv4u2

stabby

No. of comments posted: 1,497
Karma: 498

I now understand why

I win!

Karma: 70,501

Varek Raith

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179 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:14:38pm

How come that commercial where the little kid is following his (adult) neighbor around as the neighbor is doing yard work/ fixing is car and when the neighbor tells the kid what he’s going the little kid keeps saying “WHY” just popped into my head

180 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:15:25pm

You imply that norms=morals
when pressed you deny it
but you also deny that if cultures disagree on what’s right then at least one culture is wrong.

There’s a contradiction in there.

Either right and wrong are separate from society and norms or it isn’t

If it is then disagreeing cultures can’t both be right.

Make up your mind.

181 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:15:38pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

How come that commercial where the little kid is following his (adult) neighbor around as the neighbor is doing yard work/ fixing is car and when the neighbor tells the kid what he’s going the little kid keeps saying “WHY” just popped into my head

Or this.

182 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:15:50pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

I win!

Despite his recent outbreak of downdingvitis I think Kilgore is still WAY in the lead

183 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:16:43pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

I’ve probably lost 800 points when arguing with the wolf pack.

And of course they stopped updinging me when they realized that I’m not a pack animal

184 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:17:37pm

re: #180 stabby

You imply that norms=morals
when pressed you deny it
but you also deny that if cultures disagree on what’s right then at least one culture is wrong.

There’s a contradiction in there.

Either right and wrong are separate from society and norms or it isn’t

If it is then disagreeing cultures can’t both be right.

Make up your mind.

What that lady did was not culture or a norm. The only culture that behavior would fit in would be in a strip joint for adults only. Comparing what she did to a an accepted culture or norm is a non-starter.

185 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:17:39pm

re: #171 sattv4u2

ouch

BTW , what are you “implying”!?!?

Ok- I’m implying Stabby is a Mennonite farmer in the Andean Steppes who specializes in artificial yak insemination.

186 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:17:55pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

I win!

Maybe we should have a constantly updated karma-to-comment ratio in our profiles. Otherwise, you know, math.

187 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:18:17pm

re: #183 stabby

I’ve probably lost 800 points when arguing with the wolf pack.

And of course they stopped updinging me when they realized that I’m not a pack animal

See, you fell into the Satt Trap.
Most of us avoid it.
;)

188 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:19:21pm

re: #180 stabby

You imply that norms=morals
when pressed you deny it

Yes, I denied that I implied it because I never did, That you need that I did is a you problem, not a me problem

but you also deny that if cultures disagree on what’s right then at least one culture is wrong

Both can be right

Either right and wrong are separate from society and norms or it isn’t
Some cultural norms are neither, they just are. Many Veitnamese live in little huts floating on the water,, MANY. Hardly ANY Americans do! Which one is “wrong” or “not moral”????

189 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:19:46pm

re: #184 Gus

Is your comment really relevant to #86 that we’re arguing about?

190 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:20:33pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Who is Satt?

191 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:20:39pm

re: #185 dragonath

Ok- I’m implying Stabby is a Mennonite farmer in the Andean Steppes who specializes in artificial yak insemination.

He has an artificial yak???

192 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:21:14pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

We’re arguing about morals not housing codes.

193 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:22:55pm

re: #190 stabby

Who is Satt?

sattv4u2

194 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:23:34pm

re: #192 stabby

We’re arguing about morals not housing codes.

DING DING DING

And the morals at that SCHOOL (and our society) says that an adult female does NOT expose her breasts ONSTAGE at a grade school whereas the morals of those African tribeswomen walk aroud 24/ 7 WITH their breasts exposed,, and gues what,, NEITHER is WRONG!!

195 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:23:37pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

He has an artificial yak???

Doesn’t everyone?

196 wrenchwench  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:23:52pm

re: #183 stabby

I’ve probably lost 800 points when arguing with the wolf pack.

And of course they stopped updinging me when they realized that I’m not a pack animal

So it’s not St. Stabby, it’s Stabby the Wonderdog.

197 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:24:05pm

re: #193 Varek Raith

sattv4u2

I’m changing my name to StabbyNeedsMeToImplyStuff

198 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:24:42pm

And on that note,,, BBL

199 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:26:50pm

re: #194 sattv4u2

And here is were we disagree.

Rules take away people’s freedom, if they don’t have a sufficient reason to do so then they’re just pointless superstition or oppression.

The example of those tribeswomen proves that there is no bad outcome to showing breasts therefor our moral rule can have no objective reason, there being no objective bad consequence to there being no such rule.

200 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:27:35pm

re: #194 sattv4u2

DING DING DING

And the morals at that SCHOOL (and our society) says that an adult female does NOT expose her breasts ONSTAGE at a grade school whereas the morals of those African tribeswomen walk aroud 24/ 7 WITH their breasts exposed,, and gues what,, NEITHER is WRONG!!

Actually, waist down meaning possible vajayjay sighting.

201 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:28:14pm

re: #200 Gus

Actually, waist down meaning possible vajayjay sighting.

How goes the ankle?

202 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:28:48pm

re: #200 Gus

Yeah the word “to” in “to the waist down” made a hash of it.

I pointed that out after I first assumed that “to the waist” mean breasts.

203 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:29:23pm

re: #199 stabby

And here is were we disagree.

Rules take away people’s freedom, if they don’t have a sufficient reason to do so then they’re just pointless superstition or oppression.

The example of those tribeswomen proves that there is no bad outcome to showing breasts therefor our moral rule can have no objective reason, there being no objective bad consequence to there being no such rule.

Seriously? So since there are men walking around naked in this world in some far off corner and that doesn’t lead to bad consequences ergo some guy walking around naked with his schlong hanging out walking past Hoboken Elementary is the same thing?

204 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:29:48pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

How goes the ankle?

Slowly getting better. Thanks for asking.

205 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:30:51pm

Weird.

206 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:31:13pm

re: #205 Gus

Weird.

Naked guy on a drone?

207 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:31:24pm

*FACE PALM*


When is Orly Taitz coming up before SCOTUS? Can’t wait for the smackdown.

208 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:32:03pm

re: #206 Varek Raith

Naked guy on a drone?

Someone should photoshop Ted Nugent on one, ala Doctor Strangelove

209 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:32:24pm

re: #203 Gus

Let me turn that around in the context of our OWN society.

If OUR country made a law that women’s nipples are no more obscene than men’s nipples are, what horrible consequences do you foresee happening? Can you think of even one?

210 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:33:34pm

WAAHHH!

211 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:36:26pm

Are women going to start raping people with their breasts?

212 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:36:37pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

WAAHHH!

G. M. Anderson very pissed that I asked about 241 US Marines while he Tweeted “Compare Reagan & Obama!”

213 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:37:02pm

re: #209 stabby

Let me turn that around in the context of our OWN society.

If OUR country made a law that women’s nipples are no more obscene than men’s nipples are, what horrible consequences do you foresee happening? Can you think of even one?

I don’t even know what you’re talking about.

214 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:37:20pm

I am so spam blocked now by G. M. Anderson. I’m sure all the stalkers have Tweeted him by now.

215 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:37:22pm

re: #211 stabby

Weird.

216 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:37:48pm

re: #213 Gus

Then you haven’t followed the thread. Sorry we wasted each other’s time.

217 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:39:13pm

re: #215 Gus

It’s called sarcasm

218 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:39:14pm

re: #216 stabby

Then you haven’t followed the thread. Sorry we wasted each other’s time.

I think the main reason you get downdings is because of your rather abrasive comments at times.

219 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:39:18pm

re: #209 stabby

I’ve been trying to avoid this stupid non-conversation this entire thread, but has it ever once occurred to you that incidents of this nature that happen in America are generally done with sexual intent?

220 Ming  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:39:55pm

After the incredible job he did picking a vice-presidential running mate, I wonder whom John McCain would have chosen as his Secretary of Defense. I suppose Levi was available.

221 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:41:25pm

re: #217 stabby

It’s called sarcasm

Sarcasm? You know I was once on a bike trail minding my own business when I suddenly noticed the guy I was approaching was exposing himself to me. It was awful and it made me feel creepy for about 2 days. It’s not the fucking same thing as some African tribesman walking around doing his business in an exposed matter. If you can’t see even that than you’re a lost cause.

222 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:42:04pm

re: #219 dragonath

Taking off her shirt with sexual intent?

Throw her in prison!

We should add a new crime to the books, “smiling with sexual intent” because a smile can be more sexual than disrobing you know.

223 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:45:47pm

re: #222 stabby

Taking off her shirt with sexual intent?

Throw her in prison!

We should add a new crime to the books, “smiling with sexual intent” because a smile can be more sexual than disrobing you know.

Do you have a child,,, a very young neice/ nephew??

A neighbor in the 1st -3rd grade perhaps

Tell you what. Walk up to one of them and smile and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “smiling with sexual intent”

Then walk up to the same kid and wave your Johnson at them and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “normal”

224 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:47:51pm

Waist up? Well, fine, some of what I said doesn’t exactly apply. In any event you’re still not supposed to do that.

225 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:48:37pm

re: #222 stabby

Then walk up to the same kid and wave your Johnson at them and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “normal”

Although, you’ll probably have to wait to tell me until after they put in all new teeth and they take the wires out of your jaw

And no, I’m not implying anything. I’m saying you’ll get your face bashed in. Clear enough?

226 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:51:39pm

re: #225 sattv4u2

If you smile nicely at someone, they don’t really know if you’re feeling sexual about it anymore than if you take your shirt off.

You can eat “with sexual intent” breath “with sexual intent” blink your eyes “with sexual intent”, you can shift the gears on your car “with sexual intent”

Are your feelings supposed to be able to make every possible action illegal?

227 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:56:19pm

Does being this disingenuous hurt?

228 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:57:09pm

Late to the argument, as usual, but I have to ask what harm was done to those children be viewing that woman’s breasts?

If you want to claim it was just a cultural convention she not expose her upper body, then fine, but charging the woman with child endangerment when there is no evidence viewing breasts causes harm to children is idiotic.

If it’s considered immoral then that morality has a basis, either absolute or cultural. If the basis is absolute then is has to be shown that is the case. If, on the other hand the basis is cultural then it is either arbitrary or based on level of harm. If it is based on level of harm, the harm has to be in evidence. If it is arbitrary then it can also be modified through action, as many arbitrary traditions and laws have been changed in the past.

229 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:57:29pm

re: #226 stabby

If you smile nicely at someone, they don’t really know if you’re feeling sexual about it anymore than if you take your shirt off.

You can eat “with sexual intent” breath “with sexual intent” blink your eyes “with sexual intent”, you can shift the gears on your car “with sexual intent”

Are your feelings supposed to be able to make every possible action illegal?

So anything goes!
Hang out in a grade school cafeteria, “hanging out”. No consequences, no problem
Walk down the hallways of a childrens hospital yelling obscenities at the top of your lungs, S’Okay
Walk up to a female stranger in a grocery store and DEMAND that she show you her T and A,, , wonderful!!

{sigh}

230 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:57:35pm

I’m not being disingenuous in the slightest.

I think people have totalitarian attitudes let alone Victorian ones.

231 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:58:02pm

So this woman took her shirt off in front of the entire 1st grade, is she one of these “Extreme Parenting” moms?

232 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 2:58:09pm

re: #228 b_sharp

I agree that she was overcharged, but in that setting, she was also over exposed!

233 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:03:27pm

re: #228 b_sharp

I’ll also offer you the same challenge I did to Stabby

Do you have a child,,, a very young neice/ nephew??

A neighbor in the 1st -3rd grade perhaps

Tell you what. Walk up to one of them and smile and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “smiling with sexual intent”

Then walk up to the same kid and wave your Johnson at them and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “normal” or moral

234 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:04:22pm

re: #229 sattv4u2

So anything goes!
Hang out in a grade school cafeteria, “hanging out”. No consequences, no problem
Walk down the hallways of a childrens hospital yelling obscenities at the top of your lungs, S’Okay
Walk up to a female stranger in a grocery store and DEMAND that she show you her T and A,, , wonderful!!

{sigh}

Viewing a shlong will not hurt the child. Explaining what a schlong is might cause a parent embarrassment but that’s a problem with the parent’s attitude.

We’ve made showing an adult penis into something with sexual connotations and right now a man showing his penis to a child out of the blue tells us the man is disturbed and could possible do more than just expose himself that would harm the child.

However, the circumstances are different between somebody whipping it out to show a child and somebody just parading around without clothes. One shows intent toward a child the other does not, a child seeing his dick is just happenstance.

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:07:34pm

re: #234 b_sharp

However, the circumstances are different between somebody whipping it out to show a child and somebody just parading around without clothes.

So then just walk around your local grocery store sans clothing and that there are children there is just happenstance. You didn’t “whip it out” to show them, so there was no bad intent!

236 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:09:45pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

when I glanced at the threat to break my jaw I stopped reading and didn’t really get the rest. I assumed you were saying that I should announce that my smile was sexual…

Sorry but when you start threatening I don’t bother reading, habit from too much internet arguing.

237 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:10:37pm

I don’t read long mad rants. I get too many of them.

238 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:12:00pm

re: #236 stabby

when I glanced at the threat to break my jaw I stopped reading and didn’t really get the rest. I assumed you were saying that I should announce that my smile was sexual…

Sorry but when you start threatening I don’t bother reading, habit from too much internet arguing.

Reading comprehension isn’t a strong suit of yours, is it

I didn’t threaten you

What I DID say was Then walk up to the same kid and wave your Johnson at them and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “normal”\

Perhaps you should do more than “GLANCE” at something you’re reading/ responding too

239 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:15:19pm

re: #238 sattv4u2

[Link: redwing.hutman.net…]

240 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:20:23pm

re: #239 CuriousLurker

[Link: redwing.hutman.net…]

And here am I, typing with my thumbs!!

241 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:20:59pm

re: #240 sattv4u2

And here am I, typing with my thumbs!!

and my ,,, umm,,, nevahmind!!
//

242 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:24:05pm

re: #236 stabby

That wasn’t a threat.

243 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:28:07pm

re: #242 Gus

That wasn’t a threat.

You’ll have to shorten that post

he doesn’t read “long mad rants”. He “gets too many of them” !!

244 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:32:56pm

re: #233 sattv4u2

I’ll also offer you the same challenge I did to Stabby

Do you have a child,,, a very young neice/ nephew??

A neighbor in the 1st -3rd grade perhaps

Tell you what. Walk up to one of them and smile and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “smiling with sexual intent”

Then walk up to the same kid and wave your Johnson at them and let me know if their parent thinks it’s “normal”

I have 2 kids, and 2 grandkids. Walking up to a child and waving my johnson at him or her is hardly the same thing as prancing around naked or partially naked, and the difference is in the intent.

I still want to know what harm seeing a naked or partially naked person does to the child.

And I’m not talking about somebody who walks up to a kid and purposely waves his penis at him, because the penis waver may have intent beyond showing off his dick.

245 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:35:04pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

However, the circumstances are different between somebody whipping it out to show a child and somebody just parading around without clothes.

So then just walk around your local grocery store sans clothing and that there are children there is just happenstance. You didn’t “whip it out” to show them, so there was no bad intent!

Of course there is a cultural bias against it, but that isn’t the point I’m making. I’m saying the cultural bias is arbitrary and needs to be changed. All you’re doing is saying there is a cultural bias.

246 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:35:19pm

re: #244 b_sharp

And I’m not talking about somebody who walks up to a kid and purposely waves his penis at him, because the penis waver may have intent beyond showing off his dick.

Correct. So again, just walk around your local grocery store sans clothing and that there are children there is just happenstance. You didn’t “whip it out” to show them, so there was no bad intent!

247 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:39:08pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

And I’m not talking about somebody who walks up to a kid and purposely waves his penis at him, because the penis waver may have intent beyond showing off his dick.

Correct. So again, just walk around your local grocery store sans clothing and that there are children there is just happenstance. You didn’t “whip it out” to show them, so there was no bad intent!

Satt, you’re not getting the point. You keep pointing to the cultural bias and then stopping. I’m saying the cultural bias, as it stands, is nonsense.

How about you show me that a kid seeing a naked person in a store, walking around collecting groceries, will harm the child.

248 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:39:31pm

re: #244 b_sharp

I have 2 kids, and 2 grandkids. Walking up to a child and waving my johnson at him or her is hardly the same thing as prancing around naked or partially naked, and the difference is in the intent.

I still want to know what harm seeing a naked or partially naked person does to the child.

And I’m not talking about somebody who walks up to a kid and purposely waves his penis at him, because the penis waver may have intent beyond showing off his dick.

See the new San Francisco nudity law which went into effect on 2/1. Even they finally had enough.

249 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:43:01pm

re: #248 Gus

See the new San Francisco nudity law which went into effect on 2/1. Even they finally had enough.

And this law is based on what?

250 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:44:40pm

re: #249 b_sharp

And this law is based on what?

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

251 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:46:53pm

re: #247 b_sharp


you’re not getting the point.

Yes I am
I’m saying the cultural bias, as it stands, is nonsense.
And I don’t believe it is!

How about you show me that a kid seeing a naked person in a store, walking around collecting groceries, will harm the child.

It might, it might not. But time and place, and the time for a child to be exposed to that is at a place of the parents preference (and yes, I know there are terrible sexually abusive parents, so lets not bring in that strawman)

252 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:47:36pm

re: #245 b_sharp

Of course there is a cultural bias against it, but that isn’t the point I’m making. I’m saying the cultural bias is arbitrary and needs to be changed. All you’re doing is saying there is a cultural bias.

Cultural bias aside, I’d think that people walking around naked could present serious public health issues. Not everyone has a high standard of personal hygiene, then there are communicable diseases, etc.

253 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:47:51pm

What can I say. I don’t want to see some naked weirdo while I’m out and about. Nude beaches, clubs, parks, etc. That’s fine. Go in, take of your clothes, and walk around naked and do your thing. I don’t want people schlongs rubbing up against me as I squeeze in between them in order to get a can of peaches. I don’t want to sit on a park bench or bus seat after some naked, sweaty, wet ass was just seated there.

254 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:48:34pm

Pardon me… EWWWWWWWW… I just touched it by accident!

No thanks!

255 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:48:45pm

Dingle berries falling out. Ick.

256 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:49:03pm

re: #253 Gus

That was hilarious

and revolting

257 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:49:17pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Cultural bias aside, I’d think that people walking around naked could present a public health issues. Not everyone has a high standard of personal hygiene, then there are communicable diseases, etc.

Not to mention, have you SEEN some people!?!?

[Link: www.google.com…]

//

258 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:49:25pm

The occasional wet fart. Nope. Don’t want it.

259 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:50:03pm

re: #79 Usually refered to as anyways

That was pretty awesome.

260 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:50:14pm

Excuse me sir! But I think you lost your dingle berries on this bus seat.

261 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:50:23pm

re: #253 Gus

I’m trying NOT to imagine what it would be like riding the NYC subway at rush hour if nudity was legal. Ditto riding in a taxi. *gag*

262 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:50:40pm

re: #260 Gus

Excuse me sir! But I think you lost your dingle berries on this bus seat.

Oh. Those aren’t mine. They were there when I got on the bus!! That was the only seat open so I sat there!!

263 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:51:11pm

re: #260 Gus

GAH, stop that!!! Brain bleach, please…

264 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:52:52pm

re: #263 CuriousLurker

GAH, stop that!!! Brain bleach, please…

There’s more… I’ll stop. Yeah, it would be kind of gross.

265 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:53:41pm

The main problem with public nudity, is that the people who go naked are always the people YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE NAKED.

266 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:54:56pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

The main problem with public nudity, is that the people who go naked are always the people YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE NAKED.

see the link in #257,, and they’re CLOTHED!!! (for the most part) ((or at least, most of their parts!!))

267 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:56:00pm

I’d like to note that one of the issues in San Francisco was people “showing off”. It would be nice to see society drop some of its taboos, but unfortunately a lot of these people were intentionally breaking these “arbitrary” social norms.

Not really the best way to normalize nudity, yer.

268 klys  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:56:06pm

Late to the argument, but my main concern here is why was the charge child endangerment?

I dislike the precedent that exposure to something that the parents don’t want their children to see (rightly or wrongly) brings about grounds for an argument of emotional harm and therefore a charge of child endangerment.

I’d be ok* with it if it were a charge of indecent exposure.

* in the context of this argument.

269 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:57:10pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

The main problem with public nudity, is that the people who go naked are always the people YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE NAKED.

Image: b.jpg

270 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 3:58:56pm

Riding MUNI could be pretty gross at times even with the clothing. No thanks.

re: #267 dragonath

I’d like to note that one of the issues in San Francisco was people “showing off”. It would be nice to see society drop some of its taboos, but unfortunately a lot of these people were intentionally breaking these “arbitrary” social norms.

Not really the best way to normalize nudity, yer.

Can’t. Don’t want it…

Community bicycles… bike sharing programs… swing sets, sea saws, pubes everywhere.

271 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:00:39pm

Movie theater seating.

272 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:01:06pm

re: #268 klys

I said right off that the charges were excessive, but to say “no harm, no foul” just because other cultures have nudity is wrongheaded also, and that’s how all this started

273 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:01:23pm

Nude pogo-stick competitions…

274 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:01:29pm

re: #269 dragonath

Image: b.jpg

MOOBS !!

275 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:01:39pm

re: #270 Gus

Community bicycles… bike sharing programs… swing sets, sea saws, pubes everywhere.

Skid marks everywhere.

Aaarrgghh, why oh why did you have to go there, my traitorous brain?

276 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:02:09pm

re: #195 Varek Raith

Doesn’t everyone?

I only have an artifical caibou (half-size). So, it’s like a Shetland Caribou.

277 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:04:33pm

re: #273 dragonath

Nude pogo-stick competitions…

The cop directing traffic!

I wouldn’t know if he was pointing for me to go left, right, or straight up!!!

278 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:05:37pm

re: #207 Vicious Babushka

How do these people READ?

It’s like those late-night college discussions: “Do I see the color green like you do? Whoa. Wild. Pass the bong.”

279 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:11:11pm

re: #272 sattv4u2

I said right off that the charges were excessive, but to say “no harm, no foul” just because other cultures have nudity is wrongheaded also, and that’s how all this started

Class B misdemeanor on the lewd charges. Max of 30 days. Drop the child endangerment charges and see about getting her some mental health counseling.

280 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:11:46pm

re: #250 Gus

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

Nice law, based on somebodies injured feelings. I made a comment up thread that addresses arbitrary decisions.

281 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:12:49pm

re: #265 Vicious Babushka

The main problem with public nudity, is that the people who go naked are always the people YOU DO NOT WANT TO SEE NAKED.

I like how the argument is “it’s sexual” except when the argument is “it will be people who are a sexual turn off!”

282 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:15:26pm

re: #280 b_sharp

Nice law, based on somebodies injured feelings. I made a comment up thread that addresses arbitrary decisions.

I agree with Pelosi:

WASHINGTON — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) frequently defends “San Francisco values,” but she doesn’t consider stripping down in public to be among them.

“Enough with the public nudity,” she told The Huffington Post in an exclusive interview Tuesday when asked about the city’s recent ban. “Please. We have our standards.”

San Francisco lawmakers outlawed public nudity last November in response to the increased presence of naked people on city property, especially within a specific plaza at the epicenter of the famous Castro neighborhood. The ban officially took effect Feb. 1.

Supervisor Scott Wiener, whose district includes the area in question, introduced the measure to quell growing complaints from neighbors and merchants who claimed their businesses were suffering. “Freedom, expression and acceptance does not mean anything goes under any circumstances,” he said at the time. “Our public spaces are for everyone and as a result it’s appropriate to have some minimal standards of behavior.”

Opponents of the ban, which narrowly passed in a 6-5 vote, argued it would tarnish San Francisco’s reputation as a progressive haven. “I’m concerned about civil liberties, about free speech, about changing San Francisco’s style and how we are as a city,” said Supervisor John Avalos, largely considered to be the city’s most liberal leader.

Pelosi disagrees. “Supervisor Wiener is a very progressive supervisor,” she told HuffPost. “But kids don’t go to the park for — yuck.”

283 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:17:45pm

re: #279 Gus

Class B misdemeanor on the lewd charges. Max of 30 days. Drop the child endangerment charges and see about getting here some mental health counseling.

Suspended if no priors. Add community service and I’m on board Exactically

284 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:18:00pm

re: #252 CuriousLurker

Cultural bias aside, I’d think that people walking around naked could present serious public health issues. Not everyone has a high standard of personal hygiene, then there are communicable diseases, etc.

That is likely true, and is part of the reason underwear was invented.

I’m not saying everybody should go around naked, there are a lot of good practical reasons people wear clothes. What I am saying is we should stop overreacting when confronted with public nudity. In the case of the woman peeling off her top in among a group of kids, the reaction was extreme and based on puritanical ideas based not on practical matters but left over bias from religion.

People tend to conflate cultural bias with what they consider common sense and assume that common sense should be taken as an absolute.

285 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:18:32pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

I had to get up and walk around a bit to process this.

Two points:

#1. “Libtard” is such a Russian box of crazy that it makes me angry even to try to follow it.

#2. The ire of someone who hates education, using education to mock his/her opponents is ironic and rude at the same time.

JUDGEMENT: Asshole, do not interact.

286 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:19:53pm

re: #220 Ming

After the incredible job he did picking a vice-presidential running mate, I wonder whom John McCain would have chosen as his Secretary of Defense. I suppose Levi was available.

Howdy Doody!

287 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:20:33pm

• Bike share seats.
• Train seating.
• Movie theater seating.
• Park benches.
• Restaurant seating.
• Public seating areas.
• See-Saws.
• Slides.
• Monkey bars.
• Swing sets.
• Bus seating.
• Light rail seating.

Get the picture?

288 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:20:55pm

re: #287 Gus

• Bike share seats.
• Train seating.
• Movie theater seating.
• Park benches.
• Restaurant seating.
• Public seating areas.
• See-Saws.
• Slides.
• Monkey bars.
• Swing sets.
• Bus seating.
• Light rail seating.

Get the picture?

• Bar stools.

:O

289 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:22:06pm

Man, the straw thrown around here is likely to spontaneously combust.

The discussion went from whether the woman did something charge worthy to everybody and their dog running around naked.

290 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:22:22pm

re: #287 Gus

• Bike share seats.
• Train seating.
• Movie theater seating.
• Park benches.
• Restaurant seating.
• Public seating areas.
• See-Saws.
• Slides.
• Monkey bars.
• Swing sets.
• Bus seating.
• Light rail seating.

Get the picture?

You have a seat
fetish?
phobia?
manufacturing company? (good for business)
upholstery cleaning company? (again, good for business)

291 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:22:27pm

Can we just compromise and bring back codpieces?

292 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:07pm

Library seating.re: #290 sattv4u2

You have a seat
fetish?
phobia?
manufacturing company? (good for business)
upholstery cleaning company? (again, good for business)

Time for the nightly disinfecting of the seats!

//

293 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:30pm

re: #281 stabby

I like how the argument is “it’s sexual” except when the argument is “it will be people who are a sexual turn off!”

Show me where I argued that “it’s sexual”

294 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:37pm

re: #281 stabby

I like how the argument is “it’s sexual” except when the argument is “it will be people who are a sexual turn off!”

Yeah, because Alouette was NOT being sarcastic when she posted that!!

295 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:46pm

re: #235 sattv4u2

I just want to point out you and b_sharp are arguing over the actions of a woman who lost her mind for the moment.

296 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:46pm

re: #288 Gus

• Bar stools.

:O

No shoes, no shirt, no service.

297 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:23:56pm

“Get back here, you!”

Image: l.jpg

298 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:24:23pm

re: #289 b_sharp

And the new argument is not that it’s too sexual but that:
1) there will be fat people, old people, people of the gender I don’t find sexy, people who aren’t hot
2) there will be people who never wipe their asses

Of course that list of places people could sit on would have a different effect if you imagined someone you’re really attracted to naked on them. Imagination games work both ways.

299 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:24:59pm

re: #295 chadu

I just want to point out you and b_sharp are arguing over the actions of a woman who lost her mind for the moment.

I’m not arguing at all

I agree that she (most likely) “lost her mind for the moment” (see my 283)

300 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:25:24pm

re: #295 chadu

I just want to point out you and b_sharp are arguing over the actions of a woman who lost her mind for the moment.

I don’t know about Stabby, but I’m talking about the overreaction to what the woman did. Not her actions, but the reaction to her actions.

301 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:25:49pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

Yeah, because Alouette was NOT being sarcastic when she posted that!!

I don’t know. People may tell the truth when they’re joking even more often than when they’re serious.

302 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:26:24pm

re: #300 b_sharp

I don’t know about Stabby, but I’m talking about the overreaction to what the woman did. Not her actions, but the reaction to her actions.

We have NO idea what Stabby is talking about, but he’ll damn sure tell you what YOU mean, and if not, what you’re IMPLYING!!

303 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:26:35pm

re: #298 stabby

And the new argument is not that it’s too sexual but that:
1) there will be fat people, old people, people of the gender I don’t find sexy, people who aren’t hot
2) there will be people who never wipe their asses

Of course that list of places people could sit on would have a different effect if you imagined someone you’re really attracted to naked on them. Imagination games work both ways.

I do not want ANYONE, hot or not, related to me or not, old, young, fat, thin, ugly, sexy TO PUT THEIR NAKED JUNK ON A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION.

304 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:26:50pm

re: #296 b_sharp

No shoes, no shirt, no service.

[Link: assets.amuniversal.com…]

305 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:26:54pm

re: #301 stabby

I don’t know. People may tell the truth when they’re joking even more often than when their serious.

Thats true

You’re very perceptive and smart!

306 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:27:32pm

re: #303 Vicious Babushka

I do not want ANYONE, hot or not, related to me or not, old, young, fat, thin, ugly, sexy TO PUT THEIR NAKED JUNK ON A PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION.

Hear, hear!

307 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:28:41pm

re: #301 stabby

re: #305 sattv4u2

Thats true

You’re very perceptive and smart!

Joking,,, truth,, sarcastic ,,, ironic ,,,, implication of something
hmmmm,,,

308 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:29:09pm

re: #293 Vicious Babushka

Show me where I argued that “it’s sexual”

Simply, I think that this was a crazy person who acted out, and it happened to be right in the way of American sexual hang-ups.

I dunno.

309 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:30:12pm

re: #284 b_sharp

That is likely true, and is part of the reason underwear was invented.

I’m not saying everybody should go around naked, there are a lot of good practical reasons people wear clothes. What I am saying is we should stop overreacting when confronted with public nudity. In the case of the woman peeling off her top in among a group of kids, the reaction was extreme and based on puritanical ideas based not on practical matters but left over bias from religion.

People tend to conflate cultural bias with what they consider common sense and assume that common sense should be taken as an absolute.

I agree that the charges against the woman were overkill, but practically speaking I doubt the cultural bias is going to go away any time soon—it’s too deeply ingrained. There have been significant changes in the past 100 years or so, but I just don’t see the taboo on public nudity going away any time soon (and quite frankly, I wouldn’t want it to). I guess I’m just not that liberal.

310 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:30:18pm

re: #300 b_sharp

Fair enough. Props to you and stabby.

311 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:31:15pm

re: #308 chadu

Simply, I think that this was a crazy person who acted out, and it happened to be right in the way of American sexual hang-ups.

I dunno.

It was an elementary school. I don’t know but I think even if it just involved her being topless there’s something elementary school and her actions, which are weird enough, to cause a lot of people to display so called sexual hang-ups. Child endangerment? No. Just stupid lewdness.

312 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:32:12pm

re: #304 dragonath

[Link: assets.amuniversal.com…]

Years and years ago, we were staying at a very upscale hotel with a restaurant on the top floor. We all had on suits or sport jackets, dress pants and ties (required) all except one friend who didn’t have a tie

The maitre d wouldn’t let him into the place. He told our friend “all you need to get in is put on a tie”

Friend took the elevator back down to his room, and when he came back up the door of the elevator opens and there he walks out with nothing on but his undies and a tie

313 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:32:21pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

I agree that the charges against the woman were overkill, but practically speaking I doubt the cultural bias is going to go away any time soon—it’s too deeply ingrained. There have been significant changes in the past 100 years or so, but I just don’t see the taboo on public nudity going away any time soon (and quite frankly, I wouldn’t want it to). I guess I’m just not that liberal.

“A man’s got to know his limitations.”
— Clint Eastwood.

314 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:32:30pm

Taxi cab seats.

315 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:32:46pm

That bar in the back of the elevator.

316 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:32:47pm

You know we’ve all made that joke because it’s true.
I saw one of these “how Berkeley can you be” parades. And the only nudist I remember was an elderly paraplegic in a wheelchair.

My friend looked at him and said “You know the problem with nudism? Quality control.”

317 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:33:08pm

Crowded elevators.
Escalator rides.

318 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:33:45pm

Parade stuff is fine.

319 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:34:35pm

re: #311 Gus

I’m not even sure it’s lewd. (Might be, from the outside.)

What circuit in her head broke that even pondered stripping at an elementary school?

I mean, even if determining this was sexual interaction versus maternal reaction would be not just helpful, but decent research.

320 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:36:16pm

re: #319 chadu

I’m not even sure it’s lewd. (Might be, from the outside.)

What circuit in her head broke that even pondered stripping at an elementary school?

I mean, even if determining this was sexual interaction versus maternal reaction would be not just helpful, but decent research.

iirc, she didn’t just strip. She was sort of doing a little dance/ show, so yeah, some wiring in her cranium went BLOOEY !!

321 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:36:27pm

re: #319 chadu

We don’t really know from that badly written article if she took off her shirt or her dress …

It could have been “it’s really hot and I’m dancing”

Did it say where she was from? Maybe she’s from that tribe in Africa :)

322 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:37:45pm

re: #321 stabby

We don’t really know from that badly written article if she took off her shirt or her dress …

It could have been “it’s really hot and I’m dancing”

Did it say where she was from? Maybe she’s from that tribe in Africa :)

Western New Guinea. And that’s their natural state not some lunatic in some grade school.

323 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:37:46pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

I reserve the right to see more evidence before I come up with a solid hypothesis. I’m just guessing now.

324 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:38:05pm

re: #321 stabby

I reserve the right to see more evidence before I come up with a solid hypothesis. I’m just guessing now.

325 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:38:11pm

re: #319 chadu

I’m not even sure it’s lewd. (Might be, from the outside.)

What circuit in her head broke that even pondered stripping at an elementary school?

I mean, even if determining this was sexual interaction versus maternal reaction would be not just helpful, but decent research.

There’s aggressive lewdness or something like that. This probably doesn’t qualify.

326 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:38:43pm

And, yeah, that was cut and pasted! W00t! (not w00t)

327 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:39:22pm

re: #309 CuriousLurker

I agree that the charges against the woman were overkill, but practically speaking I doubt the cultural bias is going to go away any time soon—it’s too deeply ingrained. There have been significant changes in the past 100 years or so, but I just don’t see the taboo on public nudity going away any time soon (and quite frankly, I wouldn’t want it to). I guess I’m just not that liberal.

I be happy if people would stop overreacting when they see a woman in the park take her top off, or a woman breast feeding her baby. Men walk around all the time without shirts and the reaction is far less extreme.

Charging somebody for that is stupid.

I would also be happy if people would stop promoting the idea that seeing breasts, or seeing a penis or hairy patch between the legs will somehow harm a child. It won’t. A parent’s overreaction is likely to screw up their kid’s attitude about the body though.

328 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:39:54pm
329 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:40:32pm

re: #325 Gus

This is a case that you actually have to see the evidence, methinks.

No doubt, she went off the rails, but the WAY she went off the rails means something valuable.

330 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:40:47pm

re: #323 chadu

I reserve the right to see more evidence before I come up with a solid hypothesis. I’m just guessing now.

If she had a circuit in her head that broke she should be afforded help
If she did it on purpose she should be charged (lightly) and convicted (again, light sentence,,, probation, community service)

Look, You may not LIKE the community standard that says a person can’t be on stage nude or partially nude in public, esp. in an elementary school, but for now that’s what the community standard states

331 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:41:28pm

re: #329 chadu

This is a case that you actually have to see the evidence, methinks.

No doubt, she went off the rails, but the WAY she went off the rails means something valuable.

Well yeah. It’s not normal. I think she needs help no doubt.

332 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:42:26pm

re: #330 sattv4u2

The silicon chip inside her head got switched to overload…

333 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:42:42pm

re: #311 Gus

It was an elementary school. I don’t know but I think even if it just involved her being topless there’s something elementary school and her actions, which are weird enough, to cause a lot of people to display so called sexual hang-ups. Child endangerment? No. Just stupid lewdness.

I was totally not thinking about sexuality, but asked if maybe she was one of those moms from the Time magazine article about “extreme parenting” and she wanted to BREAST FEED the entire first grade.

334 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:43:08pm

And on that note, a shower (naked, btw) followed by a stop at a wake (clothed) followed by the long quiet drive in to work (again, clothed)

335 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:43:10pm

oops on the late 1337 crack

W00t!

336 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:44:04pm

re: #332 stabby

You’re 733

I am 733??

What the hell does that even mean!?!?!

337 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:45:18pm

re: #311 Gus

It was an elementary school. I don’t know but I think even if it just involved her being topless there’s something elementary school and her actions, which are weird enough, to cause a lot of people to display so called sexual hang-ups. Child endangerment? No. Just stupid lewdness.

This attitude is one that stems from the belief that young kids are harmed or warped by seeing certain parts of the body.

You came up with a shitload of valid practical reasons public nudity isn’t desirable and if those were the basis for attitudes, I’m be fine with it. What I see though are claims that men will attack and rape a woman if she shows too much skin, or that the woman is somehow less than other woman, a ‘skank’, or a ‘whore’ or a ‘slut’ if she shows too much skin. Men are arrested and charged for pissing in the bushes if someone sees him, and possibly tarred with sexual deviant label if kids happen to be around.

Those are overreactions that need to be excised from our culture.

338 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:45:19pm

Stay classy, TGDN

339 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:45:24pm

No, chadu is 1337, look it up #326

340 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:45:36pm

re: #327 b_sharp

I[‘d] be happy if people would stop overreacting when they see a woman in the park take her top off, or a woman breast feeding her baby.

Stupid restrictions or overreactions to breastfeeding make a very angry Chad.

HULK SMASH!

This most basic need of our species, held down by some prudes?

And have you ever watched a woman breastfeeding her baby? It’s the best thing ever, and it restores your faith in humanity. A moment of care, and grace, and hope.

Also, boobs. ;)

341 sattv4u2  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:45:49pm

re: #333 Vicious Babushka

I was totally not thinking about sexuality, but asked if maybe she was one of those moms from the Time magazine article about “extreme parenting” and she wanted to BREAST FEED the entire first grade.

Wasn’t there a Woody Allen movie where a HUGE breast slowly made it’s way across an open field?

Damn, I can see the scene but can’t think of the title

342 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:46:14pm

Yeah, who cares about what the community and the staff at North Albany Academy think.

343 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:47:00pm

She’s got rights man!

344 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:47:43pm

re: #330 sattv4u2

No, I’m cool with the community standard. Disrobing before elementary school kids is a level 2 fucked-up-ness.

345 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:48:28pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

iirc, she didn’t just strip. She was sort of doing a little dance/ show, so yeah, some wiring in her cranium went BLOOEY !!

Yes, and that’s the reaction that is warranted, take her to see a doctor. Not charge her with a crime, and certainly not go batshit crazy whining about a nasty woman corrupting a bunch of kids.

346 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:48:53pm

re: #333 Vicious Babushka

I was thinking that as well.

347 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:50:46pm

Since we’re okay with nudity now, is it okay for me to post this?

Image: obama-riding-unicorn-naked-house-and-stalin-776937.jpg

348 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:51:31pm

They said she was conversing normally with the principal.

I suppose it was after that the mescalin kicked in.

Reminds me of a roomate (when i was 18) who drank a HUGE gin and tonic before I introduced her to my coworkers.

She seemed normal at first then the gin hit. She was hitting on one guy who was running around a desk and even took out a sword to keep her back.

349 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:51:35pm

re: #327 b_sharp

I be happy if people would stop overreacting when they see a woman in the park take her top off, or a woman breast feeding her baby. Men walk around all the time without shirts and the reaction is far less extreme.

Charging somebody for that is stupid.

I would also be happy if people would stop promoting the idea that seeing breasts, or seeing a penis or hairy patch between the legs will somehow harm a child. It won’t. A parent’s overreaction is likely to screw up their kid’s attitude about the body though.

I don’t have a problem with breast feeding babies as that’s a completely different matter. As for the rest, I disagree because of human nature. Give people an inch and they’ll take a mile; remove legal consequences for public nudity and you’ll have all manner of people shedding their clothes and doing weird shit in public. Hell, even with the current laws in place we have that.

350 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:51:39pm

re: #337 b_sharp

What I see though are claims that men will attack and rape a woman if she shows too much skin, or that the woman is somehow less than other woman, a ‘skank’, or a ‘whore’ or a ‘slut’ if she shows too much skin. Men are arrested and charged for pissing in the bushes if someone sees him, and possibly tarred with sexual deviant label if kids happen to be around.

Those are overreactions that need to be excised from our culture.

Hear hear.

Free women and men from this poisonous culture.

351 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:52:34pm

re: #340 chadu

Stupid restrictions or overreactions to breastfeeding make a very angry Chad.

HULK SMASH!

This most basic need of our species, held down by some prudes?

And have you ever watched a woman breastfeeding her baby? It’s the best thing ever, and it restores your faith in humanity. A moment of care, and grace, and hope.

Also, boobs. ;)

My daughter breast feeds my grandkid and the way he zeros in on the breast and latches on is hilarious. He’s like a little Hoover.

352 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:52:36pm

I can’t wait for the new season of “South Park.”

353 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:52:50pm

re: #349 CuriousLurker

I don’t have a problem with breast feeding babies as that’s a completely different matter. As for the rest, I disagree because of human nature. Give people an inch and they’ll take a mile; remove legal consequences for public nudity and you’ll have all manner of people shedding their clothes and doing weird shit in public. Hell, even with the current laws in place we have that.

Yeah. I’m a little put off by the idea of comparing this to breast feeding. Apples and oranges.

354 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:52:59pm

re: #348 stabby

She seemed normal at first then the gin hit. She was hitting on one guy who was running around a desk and even took out a sword to keep her back.

Who in the what now?

355 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:53:49pm

re: #354 chadu

We were programmer nerds. It was part of a Renaissance Faire costume.

356 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:53:58pm

re: #351 b_sharp

My daughter breast feeds my grandkid and the way he zeros in on the breast and latches on is hilarious. He’s like a little Hoover.

I breast-fed 9 kids. The worst part: TEETHING. Damn those little suckers are sharp as razors.

357 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:54:04pm

OK. Who posted this damn news in the first place?

//

358 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:54:45pm

re: #355 stabby

Badass. Gonna give props.

359 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:55:03pm

Free to run! Free from the cares of society!

Image: unicorn.jpg

360 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:55:14pm

re: #347 dragonath

Since we’re okay with nudity now, is it okay for me to post this?

Image: obama-riding-unicorn-naked-house-and-stalin-776937.jpg

Why are Stalin and Laurie there?

361 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:55:54pm

re: #360 b_sharp

Why are Stalin and Laurie there?

Stalin has House’s Vicodin.

362 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:55:59pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

Shit, yeah, my sister has always bitched when the babies got teeth.

Little hairless monkeys. ;)

363 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:56:00pm

re: #349 CuriousLurker

I don’t have a problem with breast feeding babies as that’s a completely different matter. As for the rest, I disagree because of human nature. Give people an inch and they’ll take a mile; remove legal consequences for public nudity and you’ll have all manner of people shedding their clothes and doing weird shit in public. Hell, even with the current laws in place we have that.

What kind of weird shit?

364 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:57:28pm

re: #363 b_sharp

What kind of weird shit?

New York Citay! You ever been inside the Port Authority Bus Terminal? Bleech. OK, I was there pre-Giulianni.

365 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:58:03pm

re: #350 chadu

Hear hear.

Free women and men from this poisonous culture.

BTW, I don’t think pissing in the bushes is a good idea, it’s not the cleanest. I just used it as an example of a benign action.

366 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:59:16pm

re: #353 Gus

Yeah. I’m a little put off by the idea of comparing this to breast feeding. Apples and oranges.

Why is the public display of a breast during breast feeding different than casual exposure?

367 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 4:59:24pm

Well public displays of affection are hard on the lonely people around them.

But it’s my opinion that people should be allowed freedom, and if some people use it to be annoying that’s better than having cops with guns and handcuffs and prison sentences ruining lives just to make life more convenient.

368 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:00:11pm

Sighting of the rare Liberal Godwin

369 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:00:54pm

re: #356 Vicious Babushka

re: #351 b_sharp

I breast-fed 9 kids. The worst part: TEETHING. Damn those little suckers are sharp as razors.

You echo my daughter. The little guy now has 4 teeth, so she’s trying to feed him more solid food. He won’t take even breast milk in a bottle, the little bum.

370 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:01:08pm

re: #366 b_sharp

Why is the public display of a breast during breast feeding different than casual exposure?

Because breast feeding is not done for the sake of exposure. People who expose themselves like this are getting a thrill. Whether it’s an emotional thrill or a sexual thrill probably varies. A woman doesn’t expose her breasts for breast feeding to get a thrill out of it.

371 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:01:30pm

People forget that making something illegal is sanctioning violence and holding people prisoner and ruining people’s families and ruining their job prospects for years or life over whatever little thing you made illegal.

Making something illegal is ALSO an immoral act.

372 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:03:13pm

re: #371 stabby

People forget that making something illegal is sanctioning violence and holding people prisoner and ruining people’s families and ruining their job prospects for years or life over whatever little thing you made illegal.

Making something illegal is ALSO an immoral act.

You mean snorting lines of coke is moral?

373 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:03:39pm

I think I just broke my brain.

An LGF baby book.

Let that stew in your headmeats.

Upside: several smart women.

Downside: this is nuts.

I’ll make a page if others care.

374 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:04:00pm

re: #370 Gus

Because breast feeding is not done for the sake of exposure. People who expose themselves like this are getting a thrill. Whether it’s an emotional thrill or a sexual thrill probably varies. A woman doesn’t expose her breasts for breast feeding to get a thrill out of it.

Does a man remove his t-shirt to get a thrill?

375 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:04:52pm

re: #370 Gus

Again, hear, hear.

376 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:06:12pm

re: #374 b_sharp

Does a man remove his t-shirt to get a thrill?

Mostly, yes.

377 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:06:30pm

re: #363 b_sharp

What kind of weird shit?

Public masturbation, for one. That’s something I can personally (and unfortunately) attest to having seen on the NYC subway. I can see it easily happening with much more frequency should public indecency laws be struck down (it already happens far too often).

Let’s go really way out there: What’s to stop a D/s couple from showing up in public with the dominant leading his/her naked sub around by a chain attached to his/her dog collar? I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their homes, but I wouldn’t want to have to explain that to my child (if I still had a young one), nor would I care to see it myself.

Another straw man? Maybe, but you asked.

378 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:06:34pm

I think I pissed some people off.

379 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:07:05pm

re: #378 b_sharp

I think I pissed some people off.

I’m not pissed off.

380 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:07:23pm

re: #372 dragonath

Snorting lines of coke is a risky act. Too much coke will cause brain damage, and some (maybe not too many) people have an addiction reaction that makes them binge.

But other than the fact that we hate risk, it’s a victimless crime. Cocaine could be used as a useful drug, if used skillfully even.

If it were up to me there would be a constitutional amendment that there shall be no laws against acts that have no victims and that personal risk is a personal matter, not a crime.

381 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:07:55pm

re: #378 b_sharp

I think you just went too far with your argument, b.

382 dragonath  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:08:24pm

re: #376 chadu

Mostly, yes.

Here’s a picture of shirtless TR to thrill you

383 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:08:54pm

re: #379 Gus

I am MADE of pissed-off, and b was fine with me.

384 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:09:28pm

re: #382 dragonath

/swoon

385 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:09:28pm

re: #378 b_sharp

I think I pissed some people off.

I’m not pissed off either, I just happen to disagree.

386 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:10:09pm

re: #382 dragonath

That lad will go far.

387 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:11:14pm

re: #373 chadu

I think I just broke my brain.

An LGF baby book.

Let that stew in your headmeats.

Upside: several smart women.

Downside: this is nuts.

I’ll make a page if others care.

That’s a great idea.

388 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:11:42pm

re: #385 CuriousLurker

I’m not pissed off either, I just happen to disagree.

And on that note, gotta go unclog the bathtub. Ick. *grimace*

389 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:12:17pm

re: #378 b_sharp

I think I pissed some people off.

Oops. Had a comment there which wasn’t about you, “Sensing objectivist-anarchy.” :D

390 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:14:05pm

My best dreams are when I am having tea (SHUT UP!) with Lincoln, Adams, and Teddy, with a fourth random President.

This happens, seasonally.

Note that you never want Adams and Jefferson to debate the cucumber sandwiches. Just din’t go there.

391 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:14:46pm

re: #387 Vicious Babushka

All kidding aside, yes, it could!

392 Gus  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:14:52pm

OK! New, new thread! Heading up to the Jim Hoft/Al Gore teh Sharia Law thread!!

393 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:16:54pm

Who in the what now? Did the stupidest man on the internet say something stupid?

394 b_sharp  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:17:59pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

Public masturbation, for one. That’s something I can personally (and unfortunately) attest to having seen on the NYC subway. I can see it easily happening with much more frequency should public indecency laws be struck down (it already happens far too often).

Let’s go really way out there: What’s to stop a D/s couple from showing up in public with the dominant leading his/her naked sub around by a chain attached to his/her dog collar? I don’t care what people do in the privacy of their homes, but I wouldn’t want to have to explain that to my child (if I still had a young one), nor would I care to see it myself.

Another straw man? Maybe, but you asked.

Public masturbation is like public urination, defecation and even spitting, it can spread disease. Someone who masturbates in public needs help, they should be in the health system being treated.

I’m not advocating free range nudity or sexual activity. I’m advocating our reaction to it be one of rational reaction. If a man walks up to a kid and exposes himself, or a woman throws off her top and dances in a context that is questionable, we should react appropriately. The man could be a pedophile, the woman could be mentally ill or compromised. Those realities should determine our reaction.

395 stabby  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:19:18pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

The only time I ever saw public masturbation I was 18, I was alone on a BART train except for woman sitting across from me, a reasonably attractive small black women in her mid or late 20s. She totally ignored me and masturbated through her sweatpants. I sat there feeling glum at being ignored.

I suppose being a sexually desperate teen watching someone who was attractive enough makes the situation different than other people’s. I didn’t mind, I just felt left out.

396 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:23:09pm

re: #395 stabby

TMI

397 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:38:05pm

re: #394 b_sharp

Public masturbation is like public urination, defecation and even spitting, it can spread disease. Someone who masturbates in public needs help, they should be in the health system being treated.

I’m not advocating free range nudity or sexual activity. I’m advocating our reaction to it be one of rational reaction. If a man walks up to a kid and exposes himself, or a woman throws off her top and dances in a context that is questionable, we should react appropriately. The man could be a pedophile, the woman could be mentally ill or compromised. Those realities should determine our reaction.

I guess I just don’t happen to think you can successfully legislate a “rational reaction”. IMO, removing existing laws would cause the problems I’ve already mentioned, and writing a new ones would be extremely difficult as it would involve proving someone’s intent is inappropriate. Who gets to decide that? If the net is any indication of the variety of *cough* odd things that might be considered “sexual”, then… O_o

Sorry to cut out on you, but it’s getting late here and I must tend to the bathtub.

398 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:38:12pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

Public masturbation, for one.

I have a story for you…

399 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:39:06pm

re: #398 chadu

I have a story for you…

Um, some other time. I’m out for the time being.

400 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:40:09pm

re: #395 stabby

That is remarkably similar to my experience.I blame Prince’s “Darling Nikki”.

401 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:40:40pm

re: #399 CuriousLurker

No worries.

402 chadu  Sun, Feb 17, 2013 5:43:41pm

re: #396 Vicious Babushka

Not quite sure; TMI on the other person’s existence, but as an LGFer relating an experience, I’m on the line.


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