1 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:29:54pm

Would be very open to having this program’s several critics in the last thread who didn’t actually watch the thing to do so now and point out what they find problematic about it in particular. You can complain about MSNBC and the authors of the book if you wish, but I didn’t see much that was very controversial in the above posted content at all.

2 jaunte  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:30:38pm

Dec. 15, 2011:
Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU
Veterans’ health care costs to rise sharply over the next 40 years

The nine-year-old Iraq war came to an official end on Thursday, but paying for it will continue for decades until U.S. taxpayers have shelled out an estimated $4 trillion.

Over a 50-year period, that comes to $80 billion annually.
Although that only represents about 1% of nation’s gross domestic product, it’s more than half of the national budget deficit. It’s also roughly equal to what the U.S. spends on the Department of Justice, Homeland Security and the Environmental Protection Agency combined each year.

Near the start of the war, the U.S. Defense Department estimated it would cost $50 billion to $80 billion. White House economic adviser Lawrence Lindsey was dismissed in 2002 after suggesting the price of invading and occupying Iraq could reach $200 billion.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:32:37pm

re: #2 jaunte

Dec. 15, 2011:
Iraq war ends with a $4 trillion IOU
Veterans’ health care costs to rise sharply over the next 40 years

The cost of this misguided adventure was horrific.

4 blueraven  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:36:48pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The cost of this misguided adventure was horrific.

In so many ways.

5 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:37:17pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The cost of this misguided adventure was horrific.

And will be with us for decades to come. We marvel at the low loss of life, but ignore that medical technology just means many of those who would have died in wars past now will live the rest of their lives disabled, unable to have a full life because of injuries they didn’t have to incur.

6 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:38:34pm

Pursuant to this thread and the dialog of the last here’s an article by Richard Perle in The Guardian where he makes it quite clear the attack on Iraq was meant to bring an end to international law.

It’s typical wingnuttery. At one point he claims the UN is a powerful organization that keeps good people from doing the right thing. Then he claims it’s too weak to accomplish anything useful.

7 jaunte  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:42:29pm

re: #6 Romantic Heretic

Perle gets a mention in this review of Hubris by Jacob Heilbrunn:

To buttress the administration’s case, Cheney not only visited the C.I.A. to pound away at agency analysts for failing to come up with links between Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein, but also drew on a secret intelligence unit — if the term is not too grandiose — that was overseen by Douglas Feith, then under secretary of defense. Feith’s researchers, David Wurmser and Michael Maloof, who were both protégés of the prominent neoconservative Richard Perle, spent months combing through raw intelligence reports to discover the truths that had somehow eluded the entire intelligence community. In a small windowless office at the Pentagon, they created “giant wall charts” detailing the intimate links between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defense secretary at the time, was bowled over: he “was especially taken with the spaghetti lines that Maloof had drawn between the Abu Nidal terrorist organization in Iraq and training camps in Lebanon.” From Lebanon, the lines then went to Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. Isikoff and Corn report that these analyses, such as they were, made a big splash at the White House. If anyone complained that solid evidence was lacking, Feith’s team was unmoved: “The Feith analysts were essentially claiming that because Al Qaeda and Iraq had joined together in a clandestine partnership to attack the United States, there would be little, if any, evidence to prove the conspiracy.” [Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Sounds a little like the Glenn Beck blackboard.

“The very lack of evidence is our proof”

8 Gus  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:43:09pm

Stabs self in heart.

9 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:43:18pm

re: #6 Romantic Heretic

Pursuant to this thread and the dialog of the last here’s an article by Richard Perle in The Guardian where he makes it quite clear the attack on Iraq was meant to bring an end to international law.

It’s typical wingnuttery. At one point he claims the UN is a powerful organization that keeps good people from doing the right thing. Then he claims it’s too weak to accomplish anything useful.

ETA: I would have linked the original article from The Spectator but it requires you to create an account on their website. If you’re willing, here’s the link.

10 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:44:16pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The cost of this misguided adventure was horrific.

He may no longer be online, so everyone please go right now and read this comment by HoosierHoops.

11 palomino  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:44:31pm

re: #1 bratwurst

Would be very open to having this program’s several critics in the last thread who didn’t actually watch the thing to do so now and point out what they find problematic about it in particular. You can complain about MSNBC and the authors of the book if you wish, but I didn’t see much that was very controversial in the above posted content at all.

One of the things they find problematic is that it reflects badly on their party, and it reflects badly on their personal judgment for having supported the war for so long and so vigorously.

It also reflects badly on the neo-conservative foreign policy ideology, namely that we can transform geo-political reality to our liking through military action.

12 HoosierHoops  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:51:04pm

Hi. This is a reprint from last thread about this issue..A little view into my soul.
Please read this..
Well Shit! It is so complex to isolate a few reasons about Iraq. I have come to respect Rachel. I know she has to spoon feed people about reasons of the political winds. We know there were tons of reasons for going to war in Iraq. I have my own views that is just as right as pundits with PH.d’s.
After 911 I supported going to kick AQ’s effen ass! And because our other wars never seen an end. I felt we needed to declare a 2 year war with the might of the US and level those bastards. and then rebuild our relationships in the ME with treaties and diplomacy and continue to be that fucking shinning light on the hill. Do we remember all the emotions then?
America was a wounded animal, hurting. A real leader like Lincoln had skill to begin reconstruction and healing. I was shocked about when Iraq come into play. A pissy 3rd world country beating their chest like everybody else does.
( At least we had leadership in the 60’s with a crazy Russia with 10000 nukes program to destroy us.
All that is my feelings.. But mine has more credence.
When Jordan called from Camp P. telling us he is deploying with 3/5th Marines to Iraq all our lives changes in our family. I was stunned and pained. Why is Bush sending Jordan to Iraq to fight a stupid fucking war.
Jordan fought in the longest baddest battle in Fallujah. He showed me the pics also. We never sleep. many times at 3am we would get a sat phone call from him from a roof top during gun fire in the background ( he could only get the phone once or so a week at 3am our time ) I could never go to sleep worried about him. I am so proud of him for protecting our freedoms. Why waste him for no good reason? I never got this out of my mind..Pics snuck back of firefights where the enemy were laid waste with women and children as human shield..My son blew woman and babies heads off. Bodies and blood and human parts laying about. Later Jordan confessed to me that when walking in the warehouse through the carnage there was a baby screaming on the floor half of his body and arms gone screaming madly when he should be dead.. He just would not stop screaming. Jordan told me with a tear in his eyes he shot him to put him out of his misery.. And for what? To make a Marine go through Hell for nothing but to finish up Daddies failure?
I should stop now unless anybody has a intellectual difference with me.

13 Gus  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:53:17pm

I think it’s cool that we’re finally down with stopping the Israeli settlements beyond the 1967 borders.

14 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:55:05pm

re: #12 HoosierHoops

More *HUGS* for you and your son. It’s all I can offer, I’m afraid.

I’m now remembering the ditty from All Quiet On The Western Front.

Give them all the same grub,
and all the same pay,
and the war would be over,
and done in a day.

15 Gus  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:56:26pm

Based on an imaginary Biblical account. No? Pretty awesome though.

16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:57:19pm

re: #5 Targetpractice

And will be with us for decades to come. We marvel at the low loss of life, but ignore that medical technology just means many of those who would have died in wars past now will live the rest of their lives disabled, unable to have a full life because of injuries they didn’t have to incur.

Low loss of American lives. I’m sure the Iraqis have their own opinion about what the cost in lives was.

17 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:58:52pm

re: #16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Low loss of American lives. I’m sure the Iraqis have their own opinion about how what the cost in lives was.

Yeah, I might have been more specific. Even in the age of smart weapons, the loss of human life has been horrific. Perhaps our bloodlust has been sated for a couple decades.

18 Gus  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 8:59:59pm

Pro tip. Say that the lives lost for the Iraq War was “done for nothing” will make you look like assholes. Trust me on this.

19 sattv4u2  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:02:33pm

re: #18 Gus

Pro tip. Say that the lives lost for the Iraq War was “done for nothing” will make you look like assholes. Trust me on this.

I always hated that phraseology (compounded due to personal reasons)

20 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:03:18pm

re: #18 Gus

Pro tip. Say that the lives lost for the Iraq War was “done for nothing” will make you look like assholes. Trust me on this.

“Done for nothing”? Perhaps not. But did the end justify the means?

21 Lidane  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:04:46pm

re: #18 Gus

Pro tip. Say that the lives lost for the Iraq War was “done for nothing” will make you look like assholes. Trust me on this.

They weren’t lost for nothing.

What they WERE lost for, OTOH, is a matter of considerable debate, especially since we were lied into war in the first place.

22 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:04:53pm

Thanks for posting this. I missed it locally. I was picking my 14 year old kid(who I hope never has to fight for bullshit like this) up from a high school baseball meeting.

He’s one hell of a shortstop.

23 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:05:18pm

re: #16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Low loss of American lives. I’m sure the Iraqis have their own opinion about how what the cost in lives was.

Reuters – 19 hrs ago
Al Qaeda’s Iraqi wing claimed responsibility on Monday for car bomb blasts that killed 28 people in Shi’ite Muslim districts in Baghdad,

Fri Feb 8, 2013
Five car bombs killed at least 34 people in Shi’ite areas of Iraq on Friday

English.news.cn 2013-02-03
A suicide car bomber along with other suicide bombers carried out coordinated attacks at a provincial police headquarters in Iraq’s northern city of Kirkuk on Sunday, a provincial police source said.

January 24, 2013: A month of Sunni demonstrations against unjust arrests has led the government to release over 1,800 Sunni prisoners. The protestors accuse the Shia dominated police of using anti-terrorist laws to arrest any Sunni they didn’t like or to intimidate other Sunnis to leave their homes. The Shia led government is afraid that the hostility of the Sunni Arab (15 percent of Iraqis) and Kurds (20 percent) is creating a disunited country that will be in a constant state of unrest. Terrorist attacks so far this year, most of them carried out by Sunnis, have killed or wounded over 500 people

do george bush and dick cheney ever take a few seconds to think about what they have done to iraq?

is this supposed to be an improvement?

24 Lidane  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:08:06pm

re: #23 engineer cat

do george bush and dick cheney ever take a few seconds to think about what they have done to iraq?

is this supposed to be an improvement?

Oh, but we were going to be greeted as liberators, showered with oil money to pay for the war, and we were going to have the gratitude of a nation for freeing them from tyranny.

Why do you hate America?

25 Gus  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:11:40pm

re: #21 Lidane

They weren’t lost for nothing.

What they WERE lost for, OTOH, is a matter of considerable debate, especially since we were lied into war in the first place.

Indeed. They died for something. We must allays respect that.

26 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:14:00pm

re: #25 Gus

Indeed. They died for something. We must allays respect that.

The jury’s still out.

27 Lidane  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:14:01pm

re: #25 Gus

Indeed. They died for something. We must allays respect that.

The question is, what did they die for?

We were lied into war. We invaded Iraq under false pretenses. We can’t ever forget that, either.

28 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:18:47pm

If you are on Twitter and interested in experiencing a new low in right wing misogyny, check out #LiberalTips2AvoidRape.

29 engineer cat  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:19:28pm

facist dictator who might massacre your city for defying his will vs unstable society where you might get blown to bits while shopping

where’s the improvement?

30 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:24:49pm

re: #25 Gus

They fought died on the orders they were given. They certainly removed a deadly horrible tyrant. The right or wrong of that is not on them. Iraq got a shot at whatever they chose for governance. At some point what the Iraqis do now is on them not us.

31 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:25:32pm

re: #28 bratwurst

Is it anything other than “carry assault rifles on you at all times”?

32 Lidane  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:28:57pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

They fought died on the orders they were given. They certainly removed a deadly horrible tyrant. The right or wrong of that is not on them.

The right or wrong of it is on the administration that lied us into war and who ordered an invasion under false pretenses. They’re the ones with a whole lot to answer for, not the troops who only did their jobs.

Iraq got a shot at whatever they chose for governance. At some point what the Iraqis do now is on them not us.

Yeah, but we’re the ones who put them in that position in the first goddamn place by invading and destablizing their country under false pretenses. That’s entirely on us, not them.

33 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:30:28pm

re: #28 bratwurst

If you are on Twitter and interested in experiencing a new low in right wing misogyny, check out #LiberalTips2AvoidRape.

Good fucking grief, what started that shit?!

34 bratwurst  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:30:28pm

re: #31 The Mountain That Blogs

Is it anything other than “carry assault rifles on you at all times”?

That seems to be the gist of it, that unarmed women have no hope whatsoever.

re: #33 Interesting Times

Good fucking grief, what started that shit?!

This is apparently the source, but considering the credit at the bottom of that page, I have my doubts.

35 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:32:58pm
36 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:34:19pm

re: #32 Lidane

Put them in the position of choosing another gentler governance is not something to be ashamed of. How it has actually played out is, but as I said at some eventual point that is on them. At some point it would have been, as in Arab spring. In that instance as well the outcome is uncertain at best.

Of course we may want to remember the Iragi people did not make those borders around those very different kinds on people either. Neither did the US.

37 Interesting Times  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:35:26pm

re: #34 bratwurst

That seems to be the gist of it, that unarmed women have no hope whatsoever.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:35:52pm

My comments at the time of the withdrawal of the last US combat troops, 8-18-2010.

39 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:36:13pm

I agree with Gus, it just goes too far to say “for nothing”. That should not be taken as agreement with the invasion. It should be taken at face value.

40 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:40:03pm

re: #39 Political Atheist

I agree with Gus, it just goes too far to say “for nothing”. That should not be taken as agreement with the invasion. It should be taken at face value.

Did anyone in the last thread actually say that? I may have just missed it.

41 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:40:38pm

A leader has an obligation to make sure that when he he sends his troops into battle, he’s doing so for the right reasons.

That didn’t happen in the Iraq war.

42 Lidane  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:41:52pm

re: #36 Political Atheist

Put them in the position of choosing another gentler governance is not something to be ashamed of. How it has actually played out is

And so is how we started the goddamn war. WE WERE LIED INTO WAR. The Bush administration lied to the American people and ginned up sympathy for their revenge fantasies and gained supoport for an invasion they KNEW was bullshit. We invaded Iraq, turned their entire country upside down and started an urban war on their streets, with untold numbers of civilians dying in the crossfire. We paved the way for terrorists like Al Qaeda to gain a foothold in the country. Abu Ghraib is a stain on this country’s honor that will never fade.

That’s not something to be proud of. The one good thing is that we’ve managed to at least keep things from fucking up even more than what Bush and Cheney managed when they lied us into war in the first place.

43 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:42:01pm

re: #40 makeitstop

Did anyone in the last thread actually say that? I may have just missed it.

What does anyone else need to say for me to agree with a statement Gus made?

44 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:44:52pm

re: #43 Political Atheist

What does anyone else need to say for me to agree with a statement Gus made?

Nothing, I guess. It’s just that the only one who even brought it up (that I saw) was Gus.

45 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:45:51pm

re: #42 Lidane

I was talking about what our troops did. And I made no defense of Bush or his decision to invade. Actually downstairs I spoke against it in a strong phrase-“We screwed up in a way only a superpower can.”

I don’t think I disagree with you as much as you think I do.

46 LWNJ  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:48:20pm

“Now, if these men do not die well, it will be a black matter for the king that led them to it, whom to disobey were against all proportion of subjection.” If someone “dies for nothing,” that reflects on the commander, not the soldier.

47 Political Atheist  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:50:06pm

Good night all.

48 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:55:25pm

re: #30 Political Atheist

They fought died on the orders they were given. They certainly removed a deadly horrible tyrant. The right or wrong of that is not on them. Iraq got a shot at whatever they chose for governance. At some point what the Iraqis do now is on them not us.

Consider your hands washed.

49 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:58:13pm

Still waiting on the real dirt on David Corn.

I got somewhat duped by the Iraq war runup. The outing of Plame really rubbed me the wrong way.

But I never agreed with the scurrilous sentiment that those against the war or who didn’t trust Bush were traitors. That’s just plain douchey.

50 OtterQueen  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 9:58:57pm

re: #9 Romantic Heretic

No need to create an account, use one of these logins.

51 Kronocide  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:00:28pm

Niger Yellowcake rusted the Bush Admin’s credibility with me. History will not be kind to them.

52 makeitstop  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:04:31pm

I was at the State of the Union address Bush gave just before we went into Iraq. When we left the Capitol building, we walked outside and I was aghast - there were armed soldiers every 50 feet (literally), choppers flying overhead shining searchlights on the ground, concrete barriers everywhere.

I remember thinking to myself that the whole scene looked absolutely nothing like America. It looked like an armed prison camp. And I realized that Bush’s SOTU pitch was going to work. The levels of paranoia were just off the scale back then, and they did everything they could to capitalize on that paranoia, even stoke it further.

53 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:05:14pm

re: #12 HoosierHoops

(((Jordan)))
(((HH)) for supporting him!

54 simoom  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:08:45pm
55 LWNJ  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:09:19pm

re: #51 Kronocide

Me too. I sat on the fence about the war until the yellowcake story — then I decided that if the administration believed THAT, then their “evidence” simply couldn’t be trusted. In an area where people opposed invading Afghanistan (!), failure to come out against invading Iraq AT ONCE got me as much grief as my fellow “traitors” who didn’t support the war enough (or at all).

56 darthstar  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:20:07pm

Hey everyone…what the hell’s going on? Had a couple of good days skiing. Three (3!!!) backboards this weekend. One guy I skied up on hit a tree and had bilateral chest fracture (about four broken ribs on his left side and two or three on his right)…poor bastard was in shitty shape. But I got him down off the mountain and the paramedics took it from there…still…fuck me…

Oh, and I’m still looking for a job…sort of…interviewed with a company on Friday and got a written offer from them today (five weeks of job searching…yay!)…but I also got a call from another company that wants me to interview…tomorrow…so now I’m playing the, “I’ll sign the offer and get it back before the deadline…really!” game. I fucking hate that. Still, I owe it to myself to go give Company #2 a fighting shot, since they only reached out to me on Friday afternoon and I dismissively told them I was confident of getting an offer by Monday and would be skiing all weekend so if they wanted to talk to me Tuesday…AND THEY FUCKING DO. Shit. Fuck me.

57 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:33:25pm

re: #56 darthstar

Best wishes on a REAL job, and a GOOD one!

58 darthstar  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 10:54:34pm

re: #57 Dancing along the light of day

Best wishes on a REAL job, and a GOOD one!

Thanks…they’re actually both great opportunities. I’m very happy with the first offer, but given the timing of the second internal recruiter calling me, think it only fair I talk to both…so tomorrow will be another put clothes on day…damn.

59 Targetpractice  Mon, Feb 18, 2013 11:12:23pm

re: #54 simoom

Think it’s pretty certain by this point that Hagel will be confirmed. McNasty and Huckleberry Closetcase seem to have failed to move this needle on this one and don’t seem to think there’s any point in continuing to tilt at this particular windmill. Only thing that might stop it now would be Inhofe and his continued insistence on putting holds on nominations until somebody finally tells him what happened to the strawberries…er, what happened in Benghazi.

60 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:30:04am

re: #59 Targetpractice

Hagel will be confirmed despite being a moron. I would like to know what happened in Benghazi. Pleas for help and no one heard them.

61 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:35:05am

re: #60 EdDantes

Hagel will be confirmed despite being a moron. I would like to know what happened in Benghazi. Pleas for help and no one heard them.

We already know what happened.
The GOP is in conspiracy theory mode with regards to Benghazi.

62 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:37:00am

Longest.flounce.ever.

63 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:38:25am

re: #62 goddamnedfrank

I got. that. going for me.

64 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:41:42am

re: #61 Varek Raith

We already know what happened.
The GOP is in conspiracy theory mode with regards to Benghazi.

Right. Those who were responsible for the debacle were identified and reassigned.

65 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:58:19am

Which party is constantly harping on the uselessness of the State Department?
Which party has constantly underfunded them?
You can’t do that and then bitch about the State Department having lax security.

66 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 12:58:45am

re: #60 EdDantes

re: #64 EdDantes

Really? Really?

You want to go down this road?

68 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:03:25am

McCain Misses Classified Briefing While Blasting White House over Benghazi

The GOP doesn’t want the truth.
They want a scandal.
Facts be damned.

69 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:04:01am

re: #66 TedStriker

re: #64 EdDantes

Really? Really?

You want to go down this road, even with the facts going against you?

Can you be more specific? I thought I was stating the facts.

70 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:07:47am

re: #69 EdDantes

Can you be more specific? I thought I was stating the facts.

You didn’t state jack shit; Varek even did your research for you (see above).

There was nothing resembling a conspiracy, but there was a monumental series of bureaucratic fuckups at State preceding what happened in Libya, compounded by ever-increasing sabotage (budgetary and otherwise) from Republicans in Congress.

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:15:56am

Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

…
..
.

72 Shvaughn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:16:17am

re: #60 EdDantes

Hagel will be confirmed despite being a moron. I would like to know what happened in Benghazi. Pleas for help and no one heard them.

BENGHAZI!!!1!

73 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:16:22am

Well, RIP Internet.
/

74 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:16:58am

Donald Rumsfeld

“We know where they are. They’re in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”

75 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:20:44am

re: #67 Varek Raith

It’s Huffpo. Must be true.

76 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:23:05am

re: #75 EdDantes

It’s Huffpo. Must be true.

[Link: www.state.gov…]

PDF Warning.

77 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:24:35am

re: #76 Varek Raith

[Link: www.state.gov…]

PDF Warning.

I was just fixing to post that link, but I doubt it’ll do any good with Ed; if it does, I’ll be surprised.

The State report goes against the preconceived narrative of some.

78 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:25:59am

re: #76 Varek Raith

[Link: www.state.gov…]

PDF Warning.

It lost me at “Pursuant to.”

79 TedStriker  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:27:20am

re: #77 TedStriker

re: #78 EdDantes

Like I said…

80 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:32:50am

re: #79 TedStriker

You’re like some kind some kind of Nostradamus.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:39:30am

re: #80 EdDantes

Ok, facts don’t matter to you.
You’ve already made up your mind.

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:40:10am

re: #5 Targetpractice

And will be with us for decades to come. We marvel at the low loss of life, but ignore that medical technology just means many of those who would have died in wars past now will live the rest of their lives disabled, unable to have a full life because of injuries they didn’t have to incur.

And that it would have been cheaper for the military to just pay off the survivors. now they have to bear the costs of treatment and therapy of these fellow, many of whom were quite young - late teens and early twenties - for the rest of their lives.

83 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:41:31am

re: #81 Varek Raith

I love facts. Which facts are you talking about?

84 klys  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:43:01am

re: #78 EdDantes

I wish I thought you forgot to include the /////// there but I sadly have my doubts.

85 freetoken  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:44:10am

re: #71 Varek Raith

Iceland wants to ban Internet porn

…
..
.

Well, this is the country that bankrupted itself on a housing bubble-mania.

On an island.

With only a few hundred thousand people.

Relative to the size of its economy, Iceland’s systemic banking collapse is the largest suffered by any country in economic history

86 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:45:11am

re: #83 EdDantes

I love facts. Which facts are you talking about?

And were are you getting yours from?

87 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:51:33am

re: #86 Varek Raith

Cspan. I watched Clinton, Panetta and Dempsey testify.

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:54:49am

re: #87 EdDantes

Cspan. I watched Clinton, Panetta and Dempsey testify.

But it is not a matter of just listening to what they said, it is what they really meant…the Deeper Truth: and that is the fact that Obama coddles and sympathizes with terrorists, has members of Islamist organizations in key position in his acministration and is out to wreck America by letting them murder at will while we apologize and bow and scrape before them.

/

89 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 1:55:00am

re: #84 klys

You’ll get over it.

90 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:00:14am

re: #87 EdDantes

Cspan. I watched Clinton, Panetta and Dempsey testify.

So, what do you think happened?

91 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:02:23am

re: #88 Sol Berdinowitz

But it is not a matter of just listening to what they said, it is what they really meant…the Deeper Truth: and that is the fact that obama coddles and sympathizes with terrorists and is out to wreck America by letting them murder at will while we apologize and bow and scrape before them.

/

You are right They were speaking in code and I don’t have the little Orphan Annie decoder ring so I don’t know exactly what they meant.

92 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:04:18am

re: #90 Varek Raith

So, what do you think happened?

No one was responsible.

93 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:07:56am

re: #92 EdDantes

No one was responsible.

That’s rather vague.
Care to expand on that?

94 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:10:27am

re: #28 bratwurst

If you are on Twitter and interested in experiencing a new low in right wing misogyny, check out #LiberalTips2AvoidRape.

Wow. But let’s not making the mistake of jokingly referring to republicans as ‘shits’ or anything like that, because that would like, at a stroke, totally wipe out the gap between these freaks and the rest of us./

95 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:12:54am

re: #94 Jimmah

Wow. But let’s not making the mistake of jokingly referring to republicans as ‘shits’ or anything like that, because that would like, at a stroke, totally wipe out the gap between these freaks and the rest of us./

You’d be amused at some of the sites workplaces block.
XD

96 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:13:08am

re: #93 Varek Raith

Stephens saw what was going on and requested help. The sate department prioritized it downward and did not act. He died. No one has accepted responsibility.

97 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:13:57am

re: #95 Varek Raith

You’d be amused at some of the sites workplaces block.
XD

Wikipedia? Cos that’s all I linked to lol

98 EdDantes  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:15:39am

Good night everyone.

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:15:48am

re: #97 Jimmah

Wikipedia?

The community college I go to.
Figure that one out.

100 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:16:55am

re: #99 Varek Raith

The community college I go to.
Figure that one out.

Keeps you lazy gitz from cheating.

101 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:17:17am

re: #99 Varek Raith

The community college I go to.
Figure that one out.

I’m trying, but it’s not coming easily ;-)
Type 1?

102 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:18:27am

re: #100 Kragar (Antichrist )

Keeps you lazy gitz from cheating.

Pshaw, like I need to cheat on database management.

103 thecommodore  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:18:47am

You know Saddam moved all those weapons to Syria right? That’s why we never found them. I read an article about it on World Net Daily.

104 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:20:14am

Journalist rips ‘pro-life’ Republicans for seeking to cut infant nutrition program

While discussing the looming sequestration on MSNBC, journalist David Cay Boyle Johnston slammed Republicans for supporting cuts to a federal program that provides food to the infants of poor mothers.

“Six hundred thousand pregnant women and mothers of small children will be cut from the [Women, Infants and Children (WIC) nutrition program],” he said. “The Republicans are always telling us about their reverence for life. Really? They are going to have 600,000 poor women and children not have proper food.”

“There is a lifetime effect on development, especially mental development, if you don’t have proper nutrition in the womb and when you’re an infant, but they are determined to cut those poor children — who are helpless — out of good nutrition.”

If they couldn’t afford to feed them, then they shouldn’t have had the kids…

WAIT JUST A FUCKING MINUTE!!!
////

105 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:20:43am

re: #102 Varek Raith

Pshaw, like I need to cheat on database management.

Well, you might…

106 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:21:25am

Ok, better go finish decorating that room. Later, folks!

107 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:21:41am

re: #105 Kragar (Antichrist )

Well, you might…

I’d rather nuke it.
I hate this crap.
Silly prereqs.
;)

109 freetoken  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:37:04am
Youtube Video
110 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:40:59am

re: #92 EdDantes

No one was responsible.

People made some serious mistakes, but the GOP want to take the naarative beyond one of gross negligence to indicate that there was some sort of complicity.

Keep in mind that before this incident, most of them could not find Benghazi on a map.

Or to quote Michelle Bachman’s comment on Obama sending military support to anti-Lord’s Army forces in Uganda: “First he got us into Libya, now he is getting us into Africa”

111 freetoken  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 2:51:02am

He could have been the greatest Lounge singer of all time:

MP3 Audio
112 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:01:44am

re: #111 freetoken

He could have been the greatest Lounge singer of all time:

[Embedded content]

Better than Bill Murray?

113 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:11:57am

Detroit has more than 11,000 untested rape kits.

[Link: www.feministe.us…]

Some of the kits tested have revealed sobering results. One kit from 2002 revealed DNA belonging to a man who was in prison for the murder of three women. The murders had been committed during the seven years the rape kit sat on a warehouse shelf.

114 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:16:20am

re: #113 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Detroit has more than 11,000 untested rape kits.

[Link: www.feministe.us…]

Is it not often the case that women have to pay for the untested rape kits to discourage “sluts” from “lying about being raped”?

115 freetoken  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:18:45am
MP3 Audio
116 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:25:39am

re: #114 Sol Berdinowitz

Is it not often the case that women have to pay for the untested rape kits to discourage “sluts” from “lying about being raped”?

That’s a thing in a few places. Detroit is fucking broke, so this is actually slightly more understandable there, and a lot of these kits wouldn’t actually strengthen the case— if the issue is whether consent existed, a rape kit won’t tell you the answer to that.

This is more just a sign of where priorities are for solving crime. I’m sure Detroit managed to find money for no-knock warrants and a hell of a lot of other stuff during the same time period.

We have a habit, in this culture, of pretending that we view rape as an ultimately evil crime that we will not stand for, but the reality is that the vast majority of rapists get away with it, even the majority of violent rapists.

117 Varek Raith  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 3:34:25am

Warhammer Company Makes “Space Marine” Trademark Claim
*Facepalm*

118 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:14:40am

re: #117 Varek Raith

Warhammer Company Makes “Space Marine” Trademark Claim
*Facepalm*

I call dibs on “Space Cadet”!

119 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:29:05am

re: #118 Sol Berdinowitz

I call dibs on “Space Cadet”!

I want space monkey

Image: SpaceMonkey1.jpg

120 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:31:33am

These guys were good!!!!!

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

Armed robbers snatch $50m in uncut diamonds from Brussels airport

121 Amory Blaine  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:46:12am

Wow that is a heist.

122 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:52:19am

re: #121 Amory Blaine

Wow that is a heist.

Because many of the diamonds are uncut, the chance of recovering the stolen gems is “very small”. “This is mainly rough diamonds from Antwerp. They are not cut and so there is certainly no certificate. They can just be sold and will be soon be gone,” said Ms Wolf.

123 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:54:52am

re: #28 bratwurst

If you are on Twitter and interested in experiencing a new low in right wing misogyny, check out #LiberalTips2AvoidRape.

TGDN is so on it.

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:59:56am

re: #60 EdDantes

Ignorance really must be bliss, eh?

125 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:00:43am

DERP.

126 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:01:16am

By “historical facts” he really means “unverified folk tales”

127 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:02:31am

re: #126 Vicious Babushka

And what use is a smidge of Latin?

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:03:04am

re: #127 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

And what use is a smidge of Latin?

I don’t even know what a “smidge” is. Is that something you can spread on toast?

129 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:03:58am

*FACE PALM*

130 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:07:00am

Whose labor isn’t worth $9 an hour?
The teenager who babysits your kids?
The lady who cleans your house? (other than YOUR WIFE, you probably expect her to clean for free)
The fast food worker who fries your burger?
The undocumented immigrant who cuts your lawn?
The barista who pours your cappuchino?
The cashier at Walmart?
The cashier at Whole Foods?

131 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:08:17am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

DERP.

Mythology pretending to be history, the opposite of science & bigotry is more like it.

The more I see of it the more I believe homeschooling needs to either be banned or required to include specific curriculum. We don’t need anymore of these 1/4 educated jackasses pretending they know anything.

132 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:11:58am

re: #131 William Barnett-Lewis

Mythology pretending to be history, the opposite of science & bigotry is more like it.

The more I see of it the more I believe homeschooling needs to either be banned or required to include specific curriculum. We don’t need anymore of these 1/4 educated jackasses pretending they know anything.

Not sure how it is in other states, but in Mass (where I lived) and Georgia (where I live) the state doesn’t give a HS diploma unless the home school curriculum is state approved

133 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:14:43am

re: #132 sattv4u2

Not sure how it is in other states, but in Mass (where I lived) and Georgia (where I live) the state doesn’t give a HS diploma unless the home school curriculum is state approved

i.e,, matches what’s required in the public schools

134 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:21:08am

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

135 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:23:19am

Alec Baldwin has become a wingnut meme, never mind that the whole “racism” episode totally never happened.

136 Eclectic Cyborg  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:24:24am

re: #135 Vicious Babushka

Alec Baldwin has become a wingnut meme, never mind that the whole “racism” episode totally never happened.

Facts??? We don’t need no stinkin’ facts!!

137 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:27:48am

HA HA HA HA MELTDOWNS A’COMIN’

138 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:28:56am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

HA HA HA HA MELTDOWNS A’COMIN’

Birthers are going to go nuts when Orly Taitz gets ignored again. It will be glorious.

139 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:33:49am

re: #138 Lidane

Birthers are going to go nuts when Orly Taitz gets ignored again. It will be glorious.

She won’t go away if she is just ignored. There has to be a definitive smackdown or else it will just go on and on and on.

140 Flounder  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:34:58am

This is just disturbing:

Police arrested the mother who hired two strippers for her son’s 16th birthday party

and more:

The Nov. 3 party at Spare Time Bowling Alley featured two exotic dancers performing for partygoers as young as 14.

I hope those young boys showered before bringing home the “stripper stank”

[Link: www.timesunion.com…]

141 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:38:54am

re: #139 Vicious Babushka

She won’t go away if she is just ignored. There has to be a definitive smackdown or else it will just go on and on and on.

Well, true. She’s Jack Thompson in drag. The only thing that ever stopped him was getting permanently disbarred.

I would hope that SCOTUS slap her with some sort of sanction for wasting their time again. They’ve got bigger issues to deal with than more derp about Obama’s birth certificate.

142 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:40:52am

re: #140 Flounder

The Nov. 3 party at Spare Time Bowling Alley

If I were the owner/ manager/ on the staff of the bowling alley that woman would have been thrown out on her ass

UNLESS the place was complicit in it, then in that case they should be charged also

which took place in a private room that had windows covered with butcher paper.

RedNecks, it’s not just s southern thang!!

143 JeffFX  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:41:45am

re: #134 Lidane

I have no doubt that this country was always full of people who are extremely proud of their ignorance, but it’s just so in-your-face these days.

144 Stoatly  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:43:50am

re: #120 sattv4u2

These guys were good!!!!!

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]

Armed robbers snatch $50m in uncut diamonds from Brussels airport

“Goodness had nothing to do with it”
Mae West

145 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:45:15am

re: #143 JeffFX

I have no doubt that this country was always full of people who are extremely proud of their ignorance, but it’s just so in-your-face these days.

All kidding aside, I blame all the ‘social media”

It seems to embolden people to say things via blogs, facebook, tweets, etc that in the past they would never say in public, or even in small private groups. part of it is the (relative) anonymity. Screenames instead of real names, and even when real names are used your reaching people you know you’ll never have to interact with in real life

146 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 5:51:38am

Guess I’ll be cancelling my Egyptian Cable TV Subscription

Sheikhs against shakes: Egypt belly dancing channel ‘arouses viewers’

[Link: english.alarabiya.net…]

A widely-known private Egyptian TV channel, which showcases 24-hour rolling clips of belly-dancing, has been accused of airing ads that “arouse viewers,” and broadcasting illegally. An Egyptian court demanded its closure earlier this week.

147 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:04:32am

Living in their own alternative reality…

148 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:05:29am

I remember watching things play out on TV the day of Powell’s testimony at the UN and seeing the little vial of”anthrax” he held up. It took my breath away. My first thought was “Fuck, the bastards are going into Iraq”. I started to cry. This was it, and there was a bad road ahead for us as a country. I also knew this was going to create more problems than it would solve. I might not have a degree and I’ve spent the last couple of decades devoted to being a mom,but am an informed and smart human. I have known men who served in Vietnam and the first Gulf War and it changed them, not always for the better. I don’t blame them, I blame the decision makers, especially when they don’t proceed with truth, care or smarts.

I haven’t watched Hubris yet, I don’t know if I can watch it without screaming and throwing shit at my TV. I was one of those awful Liberal traitors that spoke up about my opposition to the war and lost friends over it. My neighbors STILL don’t talk to me. My kid even bore the brunt of my opinions, some people wouldn’t let their kids play at our house anymore. My heart is still broken over this war and the aftermath, we, and the people of Iraq will be paying for it in many ways for decades to come.

149 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:06:43am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

Well, the NYPD is investigating the claim (as they should). Problem is that if the video clip TMZ analyzed is complete, then there’s no truth to the claims that Baldwin used racial slurs. Baldwin might have anger management issues, but it appears to have been a ginned up nontroversy.

150 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:07:52am

More from Maddow, this time re: Hagel:

151 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:08:14am

re: #149 lawhawk

Anything to change the conversation to “liberals are horrible awful people!”
Makes you wonder what the screamers are afraid to face sometimes…

152 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:09:08am

re: #149 lawhawk

Well, the NYPD is investigating the claim (as they should). Problem is that if the video clip TMZ analyzed is complete, then there’s no truth to the claims that Baldwin used racial slurs. Baldwin might have anger management issues, but it appears to have been a ginned up nontroversy.

It will never go away now that wingnuts have decided it fits their narrative.

153 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:12:56am

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

It will never go away now that wingnuts have decided it fits their narrative.

Baldwinghazi.

154 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:14:47am

Mornin’ junior rangers…what are we saving the planet from today?

155 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:14:47am

The consequences of science illiteracy:

Because there are no valid medical or scientific reasons to have a map of the human mind or how it works. Derp.

156 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:15:27am

re: #153 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Baldwinghazi.

What’s in your wallet?
;)

157 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:16:09am

re: #155 Lidane

The consequences of science illiteracy:

Because there are no valid medical or scientific reasons to have a map of the human mind or how it works. Derp.

I DON’T HAVE A BRAIN AND I GET ALONG JUST FINE!1!

158 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:17:22am

“mmm…braaaiiins…it’s what’s for breakfast.”
—every zombie, ever.

159 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:18:40am

re: #155 Lidane

Naw, they’re upset that no one will bother researching rwnj brains, since that’s an oxymoron. /

Or:

They’ll complain that it’s a cost that the government cant’ afford, even though the economic benefits will be tremendous and lead to all manner of innovation down the road both directly and indirectly. Consider the consequences of the research to inform everything from medical advances to ergonomics and technology interfaces that are more streamlined and efficient.

160 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:19:42am

re: #159 lawhawk

Naw, they’re upset that no one will bother researching rwnj brains, since that’s an oxymoron. /

Or:

They’ll complain that it’s a cost that the government cant’ afford, even though the economic benefits will be tremendous and lead to all manner of innovation down the road both directly and indirectly. Consider the consequences of the research to inform everything from medical advances to ergonomics and technology interfaces that are more streamlined and efficient.

They’ll demand that the researchers be paid less than minimum wage, since they’re “Government Workers”

161 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:20:56am

re: #147 Vicious Babushka

162 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:23:24am

re: #159 lawhawk

Naw, they’re upset that no one will bother researching rwnj brains, since that’s an oxymoron.

Heh.

Or:

They’ll complain that it’s a cost that the government cant’ afford, even though the economic benefits will be tremendous and lead to all manner of innovation down the road both directly and indirectly. Consider the consequences of the research to inform everything from medical advances to ergonomics and technology interfaces that are more streamlined and efficient.

The social and religioius bigots will also complain that mapping the human brain would be interference with God’s creation and that we shouldn’t do it because it goes against nature or something. Never mind all the advances and innovations, we can’t understand the human brain because that will make the Baby Jesus cry.

163 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:23:32am

re: #161 darthstar

Aren’t you supposed to say “follically challenged”???

164 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:23:38am

re: #161 darthstar

I suppose I could have cut the brother some slack…I mean, I’m jiggy with bein’ hip and cool and using slang as much as the next homie, dig?

165 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:25:33am

re: #164 darthstar

My friend Mauricio complimented me once on not ever trying to ‘speak black’ talking to him. He said there’s nothing more awkward than interacting with a white person and having them tack on vaguely hip-hop phrases in a desperate attempt to put him at his ease.

166 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:25:52am

re: #163 sattv4u2

Aren’t you supposed to say “follically challenged”???

Fucker’s going bald, and he’s wearing one of those blue shirts that can only mean at the bottom of that picture (below the spill stains above his belly) are a pair of khaki pants and black shoes and belt.

167 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:30:17am

WTF?

168 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:32:31am

I confess I originally did support the cause of the Iraq War, but my support was completely predicated on the “fact” that Iraq was an “imminent danger” based on well-confirmed intelligence information. I do recall my reservations, thinking to myself “this had better be true”.

Now that the dust settled and the “intelligence” has been found out to be little more than hype, and that George Tenet et.al. was not only not held accountable for this but given a medal, I’m quite enraged and disgusted.

Given the number of Americans who were killed and forever maimed in this war, the wholesale slaughter of swaths of the indigenous population, and the billions of dollars taken from better causes, I don’t know how anyone involved in selling this fiasco can sleep at night.

169 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:32:58am

re: #167 darthstar

See bratwurst’s #34 for the closest thing to an explanation. Given it originated from Dana “I love necrophilic watersports” Loesch, I’d be dubious about both the quote and the so-called U of Colorado “advice list”.

170 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:33:25am

re: #167 darthstar

WTF?

According to the wingnuts, the only way to avoid being raped is to carry an AR-15 around cocked & locked at all times.

171 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:34:53am

THERE COMIN HEAR TO TAEK ARE FUUD STAMPS!1!


172 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:36:16am

THEY TUK ARE JRRBS, NOW THERE TAKIN ARE FUUD STAMPZ!1!1TY

173 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:38:16am

Pertinent to the original post:

174 Destro  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:40:43am

re: #6 Romantic Heretic

Pursuant to this thread and the dialog of the last here’s an article by Richard Perle in The Guardian where he makes it quite clear the attack on Iraq was meant to bring an end to international law.

It’s typical wingnuttery. At one point he claims the UN is a powerful organization that keeps good people from doing the right thing. Then he claims it’s too weak to accomplish anything useful.

It is very clear this was meant to end international law applying to the USA - the rest of the world would have to follow international law. It is the old Nixonian “It’s legal if the president does it” mentality of these (in many cases) former Nixonites.

175 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:41:49am

Lindsey Graham - Internet rumor monger.

Link

This is really pretty funny: U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) has written a letter to defense secretary nominee Chuck Hagel asking Hagel to explain an internet rumor about notes that somebody supposedly took during a speech Hagel gave in 2007. To emphasize, Graham’s question wasn’t based on a video or audio recording of the speech, nor even a transcript. Instead, it was about notes taken by Some Dude and posted on Some Dude’s website.

176 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:42:30am

I’m amazed this douchenozzle can even spell Keynesian. He must have Googled it:

177 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:42:39am

‘Charge the shooter, kids,’ take two:

Law enforcement authorities are increasingly advising school officials — and even young students — to physically confront suspects in future campus attacks as a final line of defense.

The advisories, now included in training videos and documents prepared by police, represent a major shift in tactics for law enforcement officials who have traditionally counseled potential victims to flee and hide while waiting for authorities to answer calls for help.

“These incidents are becoming a fact of life,” University of Wisconsin-Madison Police Chief Susan Riseling told a meeting of law enforcement colleagues gathered here. “If there is no other option, take the shooter out.”

‘Take the shooter out.’ Okay. How?

178 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:43:22am

re: #176 Lidane

I’m amazed this douchenozzle can even spell Keynesian. He must have Googled it:

I’m sure he meant “Kenyan”

179 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:43:42am

re: #173 Interesting Times

Pertinent to the original post:

Gah! I know that’s a satire account but I can see these neo-con idiots thinking that way. The fastest way to unify the Iranian people would be if they thought we were invading as they’d presume we intended to bring back the Shah. And that would make it a nightmare unlike anything the US has ever gotten into.

180 Destro  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:44:11am

re: #23 engineer cat

Reuters - 19 hrs ago
Al Qaeda’s Iraqi wing claimed responsibility on Monday for car bomb blasts that killed 28 people in Shi’ite Muslim districts in Baghdad,

Fri Feb 8, 2013
Five car bombs killed at least 34 people in Shi’ite areas of Iraq on Friday

English.news.cn 2013-02-03
A suicide car bomber along with other suicide bombers carried out coordinated attacks at a provincial police headquarters in Iraq’s northern city of Kirkuk on Sunday, a provincial police source said.

January 24, 2013: A month of Sunni demonstrations against unjust arrests has led the government to release over 1,800 Sunni prisoners. The protestors accuse the Shia dominated police of using anti-terrorist laws to arrest any Sunni they didn’t like or to intimidate other Sunnis to leave their homes. The Shia led government is afraid that the hostility of the Sunni Arab (15 percent of Iraqis) and Kurds (20 percent) is creating a disunited country that will be in a constant state of unrest. Terrorist attacks so far this year, most of them carried out by Sunnis, have killed or wounded over 500 people

do george bush and dick cheney ever take a few seconds to think about what they have done to iraq?

is this supposed to be an improvement?

No, they do not. And many Americans - including many on this forum - refuse to admit the Iraq war was illegal, immoral, and that it stained America and was near genocidal for segments of the Iraqi’s population like Iraqi Christians.

181 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:44:21am

re: #177 makeitstop

‘Charge the shooter, kids,’ take two:

‘Take the shooter out.’ Okay. How?

Ram him with the food cart!//

182 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:46:40am

re: #177 makeitstop

Numerous shootings have been stopped by unarmed people. It’s a little like confronting a hijacker on a plane-No place to run. May as well take the long shot over a certain bad end.

183 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:47:18am

re: #177 makeitstop

‘Charge the shooter, kids,’ take two:

‘Take the shooter out.’ Okay. How?

Key phrase — “if there is no other option”. They’re not telling people to bum rush an active shooter first. They’re saying that if there is truly nothing else you can do, then confront that person directly and incapacitate them.

I’ve seen similar statements in damn near every university law enforcement guide for how to handle shooters. The first steps are always to run, or hide or play dead or otherwise make yourself scarce and let law enforcement do their jobs. If you’re totally without any other choice, then you confront the shooter.

184 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:47:39am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

Charge him and throw some of those big ass textbooks at him. Or, make the textbook covers bullet proof and use them as shields while you charge. Or carry a grenade launcher or flame thrower instead of a gun. A sporty tactical nuke would be awesome too.

Honest to god this country seems to be getting dumber by the hour sometimes.

185 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:47:41am

Good morning lizards from the cold and wet region of Virginia!

186 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:48:21am

re: #184 A Mom Anon

Charge him and throw some of those big ass textbooks at him. Or, make the textbook covers bullet proof and use them as shields while you charge. Or carry a grenade launcher or flame thrower instead of a gun. A sporty tactical nuke would be awesome too.

Honest to god this country seems to be getting dumber by the hour sometimes.

AR-15’S FOR EVERY BODY!1!1

187 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:48:35am

re: #145 sattv4u2

All kidding aside, I blame all the ‘social media”

It seems to embolden people to say things via blogs, facebook, tweets, etc that in the past they would never say in public, or even in small private groups. part of it is the (relative) anonymity. Screenames instead of real names, and even when real names are used your reaching people you know you’ll never have to interact with in real life

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume “sattv4u” isn’t on your birth certificate.

188 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:48:50am

re: #181 Vicious Babushka

Ram him with the food cart!//

Police officials said they were not advocating arming teachers, students, office workers or others to prepare for such attacks; they also emphasized that confronting the attacker should always be the last option.

The title of Riseling’s video — Get Out, Call Out, Hide Out, Keep Out, Take Out — is arranged by the preferred order of response. So, too, is a city of Houston video called Run, Hide, Fight.

In written instructions developed by the U.S. Capitol Police, fighting back is described as the “last resort.”

“You must be committed to the actions you will take, and your attack must be explosive and violent,” the Capitol Police instruction states. “You must do whatever it takes to survive and not worry about the consequences.

“You want to disable the offender with whatever means you can. This could involve throwing items or using objects to strike, stab or slash the subject.”

I’m about thisclose to making it Headdesk Tuesday.

189 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:49:06am

re: #178 Vicious Babushka

I’m sure he meant “Kenyan”

The two words are synonymous to him.

190 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:49:18am

What right-wing racism?

191 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:49:31am

re: #187 Mattand

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume “sattv4u” isn’t on your birth certificate.

And you would be wrong.

192 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:49:54am

re: #180 Destro

No, they do not. And many Americans - including many on this forum - refuse to admit the Iraq war was illegal, immoral, and that it stained America and was near genocidal for segments of the Iraqi’s population like Iraqi Christians.

Many on this forum? LOL.

193 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:49:59am

re: #183 Lidane

If there’s no other choice, that’s kinda what’s going to happen anyway. I suppose if you could get the element of surprise on the shooter it might work out, or if the gun jammed or he stopped to reload, something like that.

194 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:50:27am
195 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:51:52am

re: #145 sattv4u2

All kidding aside, I blame all the ‘social media”

It seems to embolden people to say things via blogs, facebook, tweets, etc that in the past they would never say in public, or even in small private groups. part of it is the (relative) anonymity. Screenames instead of real names, and even when real names are used your reaching people you know you’ll never have to interact with in real life

That’s why we’re friends? Cool!

196 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:52:19am

re: #194 darthstar

I love @ChuckTodd’s ridiculous notion that all the President needs to do is “reach out” to the GOP & they’ll support his agenda.

I get the feeling that Todd and Jake Tapper check their e-mail each morning, breathlessly hoping that today is the day Fox News offers them their dream jobs.

197 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:52:34am

re: #194 darthstar

I think all that reaching out should be in front of TV cameras. In a room full of Republicans. Get it on the record, then do the follow up. Of course that means Chuckie and his buddies would have to work a little, so not gonna happen.

198 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:53:33am

re: #187 Mattand

I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume “sattv4u” isn’t on your birth certificate.

sattv4u is my father

I’m sattv4u2 !!!

199 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:53:41am

re: #194 darthstar

Chuck Todd is useless. He’s the Jennifer Rubin of MSNBC. Complete waste of air time.

200 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:54:49am

re: #198 sattv4u2

sattv4u is my father

I’m sattv4u2 !!!

Win.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:55:18am

Stupid NFL player of the week…

NFL lineman Da’Quan Bowers flagged for gun at LaGuardia

A muscle-bound NFL lineman was busted at La Guardia Airport yesterday for packing a powerful .40-caliber handgun in a carry-on bag as he tried to board a flight, authorities said.

Da’Quan Bowers — a 6-foot-5, 290-pound defensive end for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers — allegedly admitted to having the weapon as he arrived at 11 a.m. at a US Airways ticket counter.

“Mr. Bowers was flagged for holding,” cracked one Port Authority cop. “It’s up to line judge [Queens DA] Richard Brown to determine what the penalty will be.”

…The 22-year-old second-year NFL player was trying to get onto a plane to North Carolina with gal pal Dana Rodgers, who lives in Raleigh, when the Smith & Wesson gun was uncovered in a black suitcase. A clip wrapped in clothing was also found, sources said.

Though the clip was not in the gun, the weapon is considered loaded under New York law because it was filled with bullets.

“The two of them were in the same bag — under the law it’s considered a loaded gun,” the source said.

What is more troubling is that he got away it this past weekend…

…The football player told investigators that he had carried the gun up to New York on a plane about three days ago and it had gone undetected, sources said.

202 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:55:20am

re: #199 Lidane

Chuck Todd is useless. He’s the Jennifer Rubin of MSNBC. Complete waste of air time.

I’ll say that to him if I ever meet him.

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:55:35am

re: #194 darthstar

Obama has been reaching out for years. Apparently, he finally got tired of pulling back bloody stumps every time.

204 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:56:18am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Stupid NFL player of the week…

NFL lineman Da’Quan Bowers flagged for gun at LaGuardia

What is more troubling is that he got away it this past weekend…

*facepalm*

“You have the right to remain silent” is not a suggestion!

205 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:56:39am

re: #198 sattv4u2

sattv4u is my father

I’m sattv4u2 !!!

Heh.

You do see the irony of someone complaining about people posting anonymously to the interent, by posting anonymously to the interent?

206 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 6:56:53am

re: #203 Targetpractice

Obama has been reaching out for years. Apparently, he finally got tired of pulling back bloody stumps every time.

Obama has spent the last four years negotiating with himself. He finally got tired of it.

207 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:00:05am

re: #134 Lidane

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

What a douche.

208 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:00:10am

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

Stupid NFL player of the week…

NFL lineman Da’Quan Bowers flagged for gun at LaGuardia

What is more troubling is that he got away it this past weekend…

It was in his checked luggage and he told the agent as much at the counter. Granted, a 290 lb lineman is a fragile leaf that needs protection, but he actually had the clip out of the gun (to prevent accidental discharge if the case was dropped)…not stupid…actually smart. If you ask me, it was pretty responsible gun safety…though one should remember to empty the clip into a shoe or something so NY law won’t get you for having the gun ‘loaded’ even if the clip isn’t in.

209 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:00:58am

re: #205 Mattand

Heh.

You do see the irony of someone complaining about people posting anonymously to the interent, by posting anonymously to the interent?

Only an idiot believes anything they post on the internet is truly anonymous.

210 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:01:55am

re: #205 Mattand

Heh.

You do see the irony of someone complaining about people posting anonymously to the interent, by posting anonymously to the interent?

Wasn’t a ‘complaint”

It was an observation

211 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:05:02am

re: #209 darthstar

Only an idiot believes anything they post on the internet is truly anonymous.

I never stated “truly anonymous” In fact, what I did post was
(relative) anonymity. Screenames instead of real names, and even when real names are used your reaching people you know you’ll never have to interact with in real life

212 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:05:51am

Just a thought, in case a stolen firearm is recovered they might like to restore it to the rightful owner. Not that a wingnut would think of that because it makes too much sense.

213 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:06:26am

re: #207 geoffm33

re: #125 Vicious Babushka

What a douche.

214 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:07:07am

re: #212 Vicious Babushka

Just a thought, in case a stolen firearm is recovered they might like to restore it to the rightful owner. Not that a wingnut would think of that because it makes too much sense.

Funny, you’d think after F&F that they’d be all for catching all those guns that they said the Obama Admin is funneling into the cartel’s hands…

215 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:07:33am

re: #213 darthstar

Why u not follow @viciousbabushka? I haz a sad.

216 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:08:08am

re: #208 darthstar

It was in his checked luggage and he told the agent as much at the counter. Granted, a 290 lb lineman is a fragile leaf that needs protection, but he actually had the clip out of the gun (to prevent accidental discharge if the case was dropped)…not stupid…actually smart. If you ask me, it was pretty responsible gun safety…though one should remember to empty the clip into a shoe or something so NY law won’t get you for having the gun ‘loaded’ even if the clip isn’t in.

Swear to whatever god one believes in, this is so much of what’s wrong with America.

If what you’re saying is correct, I can appreciate the fact that Bowers emptied the gun for travel. However, the fucking calendar on my computer read “2013”. We don’t live in the Wild West anymore.

A Mom Anon mentioned that she has neighbors who are one parking ticket away from recreating Ruby Ridge: armed, paranoid, and more than likely ultra-religious. The rest of the civilized world must look at us like we’re the crazy neighbor who’s going to explode at any minute, and take out everyone else with us.

Just don’t get it. This country’s sick gun fetish scares the shit out of me.

217 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:08:14am

re: #211 sattv4u2

I never stated “truly anonymous” In fact, what I did post was
(relative) anonymity. Screenames instead of real names, and even when real names are used your reaching people you know you’ll never have to interact with in real life

Yeah, and you still have to fix that ‘your’ at the end…possessives versus contractions…who will win that war?

218 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:08:46am

re: #217 darthstar

Yeah, and you still have to fix that ‘your’ at the end…possessives versus contractions…who will win that war?

“Grammar: The difference between knowing your shit and knowing you’re shit”

219 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:03am

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Why u not follow @viciousbabushka? I haz a sad.

Youse followed, as they say in Joisey.

220 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:09am

And on that note, the long quiet and rainy drive home beckons

221 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:41am

Stay classy, TGDN.

222 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:48am

Link goes to The Dumbest Man on the Internet.

223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:52am

re: #134 Lidane

HURRRRRRRR

I can’t think of any plausibly attainable circumstance under which I’d allow a “youth pastor” anywhere near my kid (my lack of kids and religiousity notwithstanding).

224 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:09:54am

re: #208 darthstar

It was in his checked luggage and he told the agent as much at the counter. Granted, a 290 lb lineman is a fragile leaf that needs protection, but he actually had the clip out of the gun (to prevent accidental discharge if the case was dropped)…not stupid…actually smart. If you ask me, it was pretty responsible gun safety…though one should remember to empty the clip into a shoe or something so NY law won’t get you for having the gun ‘loaded’ even if the clip isn’t in.

According to the report his problem was that the clip was loaded which in NY is against the law.

Though the clip was not in the gun, the weapon is considered loaded under New York law because it was filled with bullets.

225 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:10:17am

re: #210 sattv4u2

Wasn’t a ‘complaint”

It was an observation

Never said it was a complaint. The lack of self-awareness was amusing, given that you’re posting anonymously.

226 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:11:33am

re: #217 darthstar

Yeah, and you still have to fix that ‘your’ at the end…possessives versus contractions…who will win that war?

Nothing 30 incorrectly typed punctuation marks can’t fix.

I KEED, I KEED!

227 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:11:52am

re: #223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

HURRRRRRRR

I can’t think of any plausibly attainable circumstance under which I’d allow a “youth pastor” anywhere near my kid (my lack of kids and religiousity notwithstanding).

I’m going to go out on a limb and guess he’s rabidly anti-gay as well, which makes his choice of vest color all the more ironic.

228 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:12:50am

re: #176 Lidane

It links to an article written by an author “Gail” on his site He saw Keynesian in the title, read it as Kenyan and tweeted it out. The added a bunch of hashtags. #he #is #a #dolt

229 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:12:54am

re: #226 Mattand

Nothing 30 incorrectly typed punctuation marks can’t fix.

I KEED, I KEED!

Edit: Not really.

230 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:13:19am

From stupid to strange comes this story…

Physics professor strips, plays 9/11 footage in bizarre FroSci stunt

First-years in Frontiers of Science were supposed to hear a lecture on quantum mechanics from renowned physics professor Emlyn Hughes on Monday morning. But what they witnessed first was a bizarre performance from Hughes that left many of them baffled and confused.

As students filed into the lecture hall, all of the lights were off, except for two spotlights on stage where Hughes was sitting. With Lil Wayne’s “Drop It Like It’s Hot” playing in the background, Hughes stripped down to his underwear, then proceeded to change into a black T-shirt and pants. Afterwards, he sat down on the chair, hugging his knees in a fetal position.

Then, as a jumbled video that included footage of the planes crashing into the Twin Towers on 9/11 continued to play on the screen, two figures dressed in black came on stage with long swords. One of them proceeded to chop a stuffed animal in half on a stool.

Students said they were shocked and confused by what was happening on stage.

…The video on screen also showed footage of Osama Bin Laden and battles from World War II.

…Reyna Pacheco Rios, CC ’16, said that she has friend who served in the Marines, and she was shocked when the clip of the 9/11 attacks came on.

“I was like, ‘How is this funny at all?’” Pacheco Rios said.

After the episode, students said that Hughes began teaching the rest of the lecture on quantum mechanics as though nothing had happened. He did, however, wear dark sunglasses and keep his hood up for the entire lecture.

231 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:15:04am

re: #230 NJDhockeyfan

From stupid to strange comes this story…

Physics professor strips, plays 9/11 footage in bizarre FroSci stunt

Some kind of recreational drugs must have been involved. Peyote, mescaline, LSD, Ecstasy?

232 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:15:36am

Only $10k? For a rich man, Richard Viguerie is a cheapskate:

Conservative Site Offers $10K Prize For Plan To Save GOP From Establishment

Also, LOL forever. Circular firing squads are hilarious.

233 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:17:44am

re: #213 darthstar

You’re on a roll today! (and that’s why there is butter on your shirt…old radio commercial punchline)

234 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:17:55am

re: #224 NJDhockeyfan

According to the report his problem was that the clip was loaded which in NY is against the law.

EXACTLY. Yes, NY Law states that the gun can’t be loaded…to most people, that means nothing in the gun itself. Take out the clip, and the gun is ‘unloaded.’ That’s staying within the spirit of the law, even though the law is more specific in stating that the bullets cannot be in a clip (due to the ease of loading a semi-automatic weapon). If I traveled with a gun, I’d probably do the same…pull the clip but not unload it. Honest mistake.

235 Robur  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:22:09am

re: #1 bratwurst

As usual MSNBC and their associates gets it correct, just as other networks either refuse to give us the FACTS or diseminate bovinal fecal matter and call it “fair and balanced”..They at least can back up what they broadcast because they take the time to research and fact check before opening up their mouths and apologise when they are wrong. While one News channel Faux news doubles down on their falsifications and tells everyone that it must be them who are wrong. This is childish but what else can you expect from the propaganda outlet for the most heinous group of political cretins to ever breathe..Yes I’m talking about the Riech Wing!!

236 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:22:41am

OH SHIT

237 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:24:28am

re: #233 geoffm33

You’re on a roll today! (and that’s why there is butter on your shirt…old radio commercial punchline)

I’m in a good mood…one job offer and another interview today.

238 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:25:48am

re: #237 darthstar

I’m in a good mood…one job offer and another interview today.

Good luck!

239 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:26:21am

re: #235 Robur

related

Image: 602105_487398571297844_2109939349_n.jpg

240 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:28:02am

re: #237 darthstar

I’m in a good mood…one job offer and another interview today.

Well, best of luck with that!

241 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:28:37am
242 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:30:59am

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

Obama as job creator!

243 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:31:41am

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

Dear #Birthers, SCOTUS denied Orly Taitz case ‘Noonan v Bowen’. I’m shocked!

Nirthers preparing to move the goalposts as I type this.

244 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:33:19am
245 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:34:20am

Figures this guy would miss my point.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:35:13am

re: #223 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

This kind of ignorance is so terribly harmful to kids. I know, even though I’m a theologically liberal episcopalian who teaches sunday school, I’m probably not a “real christian” to him but good Lord, God gave you a freaking brain to use not to sit and whack it with your bible.

247 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:35:48am

re: #241 Vicious Babushka

The Court denied a stay in the case of Noonan v. Bowen (12A606), but did not act on any other aspect of that case. In other words, the Court refused to postpone a lower court decision that someone is challenging. The usual request for a “stay:” (ie, a postponement) comes when the party making the challenge wants the lower court ruling kept on hold until they can appeal. A “stay” is simply a postponement order.

It would seem that one of the parties (Taitz) was seeking a stay at the lower level. The Court ruled that the postponement was inappropriate, so the lower court could proceed.

I think it clears the way to dispose of the case in swift fashion and/or opens up the lower court to smack down Taitz once again.

248 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:37:54am
249 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:38:11am

re: #245 darthstar

That sound you heard, ChrisDDv3, was the sonic boom of the point flying over your head because you missed it so badly.

250 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:38:23am

Ouch!

Scorned wife allegedly pours boiling water on cheating hubby’s penis

When Nefer Netan of Martinez, Colombia, came home from his alleged mistresses’ house in the wee morning hours, he should have known he was in hot water. But the poor sucker didn’t know the half. According to a local newspaper, his wife, Yolivel Lopez, had learned of the alleged affair earlier that evening thanks to a phone call from his mistress, and waited until he slept. When Nefer snoozed off, the scorned woman reportedly boiled a pot of water and poured the scalding liquid on his genitals. Neighbors in the town near Cerete said the man’s screams “pierced the night sky,” and docs called the penis “utterly destroyed.” Lopez reportedly hasn’t been seen since the incident.

251 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:38:45am

Dear RWNJ’s. You’re marriage to the rest of the (R) party is the only thing that keeps you both within shouting distance of winning in 2014/2016.

252 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:41:15am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Ouch!

Scorned wife allegedly pours boiling water on cheating hubby’s penis

…uhm, ouch?

253 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:42:19am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Ouch!

Scorned wife allegedly pours boiling water on cheating hubby’s penis

In the Carrie Underwood song, she only destroys his car.

254 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:43:59am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

In the Carrie Underwood song, she only destroys his car.

At first I was thinking ‘Great, at least she didn’t cut it off’ then I read this:

…docs called the penis “utterly destroyed.”

255 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:44:47am

How is life?

256 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:45:23am

re: #250 NJDhockeyfan

Ouch!

Scorned wife allegedly pours boiling water on cheating hubby’s penis

Hell Hath No Fury?

257 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:46:07am

re: #207 geoffm33

yaknow, every time I see that fauxcahontas hashtag, I want to ask the sender if they believe in the one drop rule. I’m sadly certain that for many the answer is “yes, but only for african blood.”

258 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:47:40am

Birther party is still going on. They didn’t get the memo.

259 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:47:52am

re: #251 geoffm33

Dear RWNJ’s. You’re marriage to the rest of the (R) party is the only thing that keeps you both within shouting distance of winning in 2014/2016.

Yes, stand up to family by telling other families that they’re not families! Seriously I’d love Pastor Dickface and his sycophant to tell my cousin and his husband and their children that they’re not a family.

260 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:48:13am

re: #247 lawhawk

The Court denied a stay in the case of Noonan v. Bowen (12A606), but did not act on any other aspect of that case. In other words, the Court refused to postpone a lower court decision that someone is challenging. The usual request for a “stay:” (ie, a postponement) comes when the party making the challenge wants the lower court ruling kept on hold until they can appeal. A “stay” is simply a postponement order.

It would seem that one of the parties (Taitz) was seeking a stay at the lower level. The Court ruled that the postponement was inappropriate, so the lower court could proceed.

I think it clears the way to dispose of the case in swift fashion and/or opens up the lower court to smack down Taitz once again.

So, basically, SCOTUS was the last resort for Orly to avoid one or more smackdowns in lower courts for tilting at windmills?

261 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:50:10am

I don’t get it. If by some strange turn of events, the birther claims were true, what are they going to do about it? Repossess the last 6 years?

262 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:51:31am

re: #261 FemNaziBitch

I don’t get it. If by some strange turn of events, the birther claims were true, what are they going to do about it? Repossess the last 6 years?

Let’s even say their wildest dreams come true and Obama is declared ineligible.

Ladies & Gentlemen, the President of the United States, Joseph Biden!

263 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:52:01am

Hilarious…fun feed to read right now…even in reverse order.

264 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:52:25am

The stupid hurts sooooo much. Must. Stop. Reading. Asshole’s. Timeline.

265 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:54:58am

How my morning begins

266 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:56:20am

re: #260 Targetpractice

Correctamundo. Roberts apparently wanted to clear the way for the lower court to adjudicate on the issues, rather than allow Taitz to postpone matters further. This is a procedural matter by the Supreme Court to get the lower court to address the matters.

267 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:57:54am

re: #264 geoffm33

The stupid hurts sooooo much. Must. Stop. Reading. Asshole’s. Timeline.

#YoumightbeaRepublican if you think gay marriage is a greater threat than global warming.

268 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:58:53am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

You might be a Republican if you think a car needs a fifty mile extension cord.

269 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:59:24am

re: #267 HappyWarrior

#YouareaRepublican if you think gay marriage is a greater threat than global warming.

FTFY

270 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 7:59:44am

re: #269 geoffm33

FTFY

Haha true enough.

271 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:00:30am

Actually, the #YouareaRepublican hashtag is hilarious.

272 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:00:47am

re: #261 FemNaziBitch

I don’t get it. If by some strange turn of events, the birther claims were true, what are they going to do about it? Repossess the last 6 years?

They really have no clue. They live in this fantasy where, if they prove he was ineligible, then everything done over the last 6 years gets rendered null and void. But the constitutional crisis that would erupt would be absolutely mind-bending. In the end, the only option would be to pass the presidency to Biden and go forward. This isn’t a sport where the first runner-up gets crowned winner after the winner was disqualified years later.

273 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:00:53am

re: #264 geoffm33

After seeing his tweet whining about gay marriage, I finally gave in to the urge to troll:

Considering where the link goes, and how fond derp-fountains like him are of Godwinning, subsequent head explosions should roughly equal the force of the recent Russian meteor.

274 Robur  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:01:17am

re: #240 geoffm33

LOL You made My Day!! Thanks!

275 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:01:45am

re: #264 geoffm33

This would not explain the Prius and the Nissan Leaf I’ve seen around here with Romney/Ryan stickers. The Prius also has McCain/Palin sticker on it too. Maybe they used to own giant SUVs and got tired of spending 100 bucks on a tank of gas. Hmm.

And that neon pink vest he’s wearing? Stunning.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:01:53am

Is mysterious ‘space slime’ found in Somerset linked to Russian meteor strike?

In scenes reminiscent of the classic horror movie The Blob, weird green slime has been found scattered around a birdlife park in Somerset.

The RSPB has appealed for help in identifying the goo – which could be bacteria, fungus or toad innards, wildlife experts said.

Some believe it could be a substance that has been written about for centuries called star or astral jelly, which is said to appear in the wake of meteor showers.

Its appearance has coincided with a meteor strike in Russia and the harmless fly-by of an asteroid at a record distance from Earth last week.

277 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:01:58am

re: #261 FemNaziBitch

I’m figuring that they’d use it as the basis for impeachment (since it would in their view constitute a high crime/misdemeanor due to ineligibility to serve as president).

What that means to all legislation, up to and including any budget item enacted in the past four years, isn’t spelled out in federal law as that kind of situation has never before existed. I’m therefore figuring that the birthers (and the TP hacks) would like to see it all wiped out, and programs like PPACA would be removed as well. It would create such chaos the likes of which have never been seen before.

It would make the transition between Clinton and Bush seem like child’s play by comparison.

In reality, none of that would matter since Congress (note that the SOTU has Congress gaveled into session to hear the President address the nation) and the Courts have all recognized Barack Obama as President, rendering this moot. Obama’s President, and Taitz’s windmills taunting needs to be put to rest once and for all.

278 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:02:51am

re: #274 Robur

LOL You made My Day!! Thanks!

¿Que?

279 SteveMcGazi  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:04:06am

re: #278 geoffm33

¿Que?

Just go with it.

280 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:04:57am

re: #277 lawhawk

I’m figuring that they’d use it as the basis for impeachment (since it would in their view constitute a high crime/misdemeanor due to ineligibility to serve as president).

Because they want to reduce government spending and reduce the deficeit? Oh wait, I get it—the lawyers on THEIR side will be making the money.

281 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:05:12am

re: #275 A Mom Anon

This would not explain the Prius and the Nissan Leaf I’ve seen around here with Romney/Ryan stickers. The Prius also has McCain/Palin sticker on it too. Maybe they used to own giant SUVs and got tired of spending 100 bucks on a tank of gas. Hmm.

And that neon pink vest he’s wearing? Stunning.

WE DON’T LIKE TO DRIVE THESE GAY LITTLE CARS BUT OBAMA HAS RAISED THE PRICE OF GAS!1!1TY

282 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:05:26am

re: #271 geoffm33

Actually, the #YouareaRepublican hashtag is hilarious.

Ah didn’t know there was that. I stopped using Twitter.

283 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:06:03am

Just so everyone knows, in any version of the Scrabble, I really don’t like the letter “V” or the letter “C”.

284 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:06:46am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

Is mysterious ‘space slime’ found in Somerset linked to Russian meteor strike?

Astral Santorum

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:07:44am

re: #283 FemNaziBitch

Just so everyone knows, in any version of the Scrabble, I really don’t like the letter “V” or the letter “C”.

You should work for us! Just send us your CV.

286 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:08:01am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

Is mysterious ‘space slime’ found in Somerset linked to Russian meteor strike?

communist, marxist, socialist, kenyan, demon slime

287 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:08:24am

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

Is mysterious ‘space slime’ found in Somerset linked to Russian meteor strike?

If it starts replicating and doubling in size every twenty minutes, maybe. If it’s killed easily by contact with greasy fish & chips wrappers, definitely.

288 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:09:03am

So, I’ve been wanting to swim with dolphins my whole life. Finally did last night……….in a dream. And even there it got spoiled by a shark.

289 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:10:44am

ah! just scored 37 points for a game win with phial 402 to 329!

don’t fuckin’ need “CVs”!!!

290 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:11:26am

DERP (This guy blocked me for correcting a FAKE QUOTE)

291 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:11:42am

re: #288 HappyWarrior

So, I’ve been wanting to swim with dolphins my whole life. Finally did last night……….in a dream. And even there it got spoiled by a shark.

did you jump it?

292 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:12:45am

And if I had a dollar for every time a conservative said a racist statement, got called on it, and then complained about liberals, I’d have the GDP of a country. Cue the bongos.

293 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:13:08am

re: #277 lawhawk

In reality, none of that would matter since Congress (note that the SOTU has Congress gaveled into session to hear the President address the nation) and the Courts have all recognized Barack Obama as President, rendering this moot. Obama’s President, and Taitz’s windmills taunting needs to be put to rest once and for all.

It’s a little tinfoil hat-ish, but do you think conservative judges are inclined to keep this freak show going?

Just my opinion, but I sometimes get the feeling that conservative/Republicans who profess to be embarrassed by birthers are secretly rooting for them. Anything to fuck up Obama’s tenure, regardless of the damage it does to everything else.

294 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:13:54am

Crap. Crazy neighbors oldest kid(same age as my son,within 2 days) was just in a bad accident out of state. Her Jeep went under a semi. They say she’s ok and are heading to the area(about 6 hours away) right now. So, being the good neighbor I am, I am going over now to see if they have anyone to take care of the new puppy for the day.

Politics mean nothing when things like this happen. Later lizards.

295 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:15:30am

re: #293 Mattand

These cases aren’t being handled by the weirdo elected judges, I think, but by the actual professional ones whose main concern is keeping the law from becoming a fatuous horrendous collection of jokes, which it’s always on the verge of being anyway.

296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:15:34am

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

did you jump it?

Nah, I wasn’t on jet skis like the Fonz was. It was bizarre though because in the same dream, I actually made it to the furthest point that you could see from the initial shoreline and there another beach started which of course makes zero sense but I’ve always wondered about what’s at that far point- like how deep is it, what kind of marine life is there, etc.

297 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:16:44am

re: #293 Mattand

Nope. She’s been smacked down by even folks like Justice Thomas.

What’s surprising is that the California Bar hasn’t sanctioned her out of existence. I just don’t get that.

298 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:17:12am

re: #297 lawhawk

Nope. She’s been smacked down by even folks like Justice Thomas.

What’s surprising is that the California Bar hasn’t sanctioned her out of existence. I just don’t get that.

Maybe they need the dues.
;)

299 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:17:44am

re: #297 lawhawk

Nope. She’s been smacked down by even folks like Justice Thomas.

What’s surprising is that the California Bar hasn’t sanctioned her out of existence. I just don’t get that.

Silence meanz conspiracy is real. Obama is a secret Kenyan Muslim California lawyer!

300 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:18:28am

re: #296 HappyWarrior

Nah, I wasn’t on jet skis like the Fonz was. It was bizarre though because in the same dream, I actually made it to the furthest point that you could see from the initial shoreline and there another beach started which of course makes zero sense but I’ve always wondered about what’s at that far point- like how deep is it, what kind of marine life is there, etc.

way to early in the morning for metaphysics.

301 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:19:43am

re: #297 lawhawk

Nope. She’s been smacked down by even folks like Justice Thomas.

What’s surprising is that the California Bar hasn’t sanctioned her out of existence. I just don’t get that.

I’d say it was for amusement, but that could only go for so long. Probably something closer to vain hope, as in that she’ll realize the futility of her crusade if she gets smacked on the nose enough times and give up.

302 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:20:47am

This Birther has no freaking clue.

303 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:21:15am

re: #300 FemNaziBitch

way to early in the morning for metaphysics.

It’s always too early for metaphysics. Just weird. All I can take away from that dream is I am ready for beach time next month. Oh and that I shouldn’t look at my cousin’s facebook wall filled with ocean images before I go to bed.

304 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:09am

re: #297 lawhawk

Forgive me for what’s probably a dumb question, but I know in some places that judges are elected, and sometimes are total fucking incompetents. How are those kind of idiots dealt with in the legal system in general? How is their incompetence ameliorated?

305 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:14am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

This Birther has no freaking clue.

What is he talking about?

306 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:23am

I’m currently listening to The Demon Under the Microscope and learning some truly horrific things. Mostly the difference in combat and maternal deaths between WWI and WWII because of the strides in microbiology and drug development.

Then, I see the posts on my fb about the evils of pharmacology.

*spit*

307 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:25am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

This Birther has no freaking clue.

What does that even mean?

308 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:48am

re: #307 geoffm33

What does that even mean?

The sheriff is near?

309 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:22:55am

re: #303 HappyWarrior

It’s always too early for metaphysics. Just weird. All I can take away from that dream is I am ready for beach time next month. Oh and that I shouldn’t look at my cousin’s facebook wall filled with ocean images before I go to bed.

I’d agree with your dream assessment

310 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:23:33am

re: #297 lawhawk

Nope. She’s been smacked down by even folks like Justice Thomas.

What’s surprising is that the California Bar hasn’t sanctioned her out of existence. I just don’t get that.

IIRC she’s been sanctioned. She’s just not been stripped.

I also seem to recall there being peculiarities that required every jiggle be done correctly due to her cert being one of the “bar without college” issues. (California is, I think, the last state where that’s possible.)

311 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:23:39am

Damn, I feel like a fucking dupe after watching the Hubris serious from Maddow.

Never again.

312 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:23:49am

re: #304 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Forgive me for what’s probably a dumb question, but I know in some places that judges are elected, and sometimes are total fucking incompetents. How are those kind of idiots dealt with in the legal system in general? How is their incompetence ameliorated?

appeals to higher courts?

313 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:23:53am

re: #308 HappyWarrior

The sheriff is near?

Well, that’s it. F*ck it, I’m going home then.

314 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:25:40am

re: #307 geoffm33

What does that even mean?

Glad it’s not just me.

315 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:28:02am

Uh-oh:

ISS = International Space Station

316 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:29:14am

re: #315 Interesting Times

Uh-oh:

ISS = International Space Station

Ground Control to Major Tom…

317 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:29:28am

re: #304 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s going to depend on the state really. Most states have some kind of character/fitness for judicial positions allowing removal for egregious violations. The costs of having bad judges (those that don’t rule on merits of cases, ignore the existing laws, etc.) means more appeals of lower court decisions, additional time and clogged dockets. The appeal is the primary way to address bad judges (and their rulings), but it will depend on the jurisdiction on how bad conduct is addressed.

318 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:29:36am

re: #316 Targetpractice

Ground Control to Major Tom…

GMTA!

319 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:30:05am

Aurora fire helps police discover bomb materials, resident arrested

AURORA, Colo. — A fire was the first thing that drew emergency crews to an Aurora home Monday night. An admission from a resident was the second.

Shortly after that resident admitted to having bomb making materials in the home, an Arapahoe County bomb squad was on the scene at 1490 South Bahama Street, just north of South Tower Road and East Iliff Avenue. Evacuations orders were issued for several of the man’s neighbors in the area shortly thereafter.

According to the Aurora Fire Department, calls came in reporting the fire at approximately 11 p.m. Monday. The resident was forthcoming when emergency crews arrived, telling them he had bomb making materials in a backyard shed.

After removing some devices from that shed, Aurora police arrested one of the resident and charged him with possession of explosive devices. As of 6:30 a.m., the bomb squad had left the scene while police waited for a search warrant to search the home for any more harmful devices.

…“He was one of those guys who thought the world was going to end in 2012,” Bailey said. “And he did own a lot of guns.”

320 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:30:41am

re: #315 Interesting Times

Uh-oh:

ISS = International Space Station

Time to use the inert carbon rod to repel the invading Space Ants.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:30:58am

re: #315 Interesting Times

Uh-oh:

ISS = International Space Station

I guess using carrier pigeons is out of the question.

322 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:32:10am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

I guess using carrier pigeons is out of the question.

Fire up the smoke signals!

323 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:32:18am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

I guess using carrier pigeons is out of the question.

After last week’s meteor they might react poorly to being bombed by flaming squab.

324 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:32:29am

re: #320 Feline Fearless Leader

Time to use the inert carbon rod to repel the invading Space Ants.

Ansible!

325 Interesting Times  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:32:32am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

I guess using carrier pigeons is out of the question.

Meanwhile, 10 hours earlier…

326 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:33:59am

lodestone resonator!

(had to look it up)

327 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:35:02am

re: #325 Interesting Times

Meanwhile, 10 hours earlier…

…

*facepalm*

328 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:35:22am

If we send an away team, what’s the requisite number of red shirts to include?

329 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:35:55am

re: #328 Feline Fearless Leader

If we send an away team, what’s the requisite number of red shirts to include?

really, there can be only one.

330 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:36:13am

re: #315 Interesting Times

331 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:36:56am

re: #247 lawhawk

I think it clears the way to dispose of the case in swift fashion and/or opens up the lower court to smack down Taitz once again.

We can haz sanctions and/or disbarrment of Taitz nao?

332 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:36:56am

re: #325 Interesting Times

Meanwhile, 10 hours earlier…

LOL!

333 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:37:20am

It is 12 degrees in my part of the world.

but it feels like -2

It is also quite blustery.

334 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:37:29am

Johnny strikes again as ISS loses contact.

335 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:38:07am

re: #331 Lidane

We can haz sanctions and/or disbarrment of Taitz nao?

Taitz sounds like a weapon Douglas Adams would use.

336 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:38:16am

re: #302 Vicious Babushka

This Birther has no freaking clue.

I’ve lost my derp decoder. Else I could try to translate this into English.

337 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:38:49am

Can these fuckballs name EVEN ONE THING that Obama has done to damage the Constitution? Other than being POTUS while only 3/5 of a person?

338 Targetpractice  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:38:57am

re: #328 Feline Fearless Leader

If we send an away team, what’s the requisite number of red shirts to include?

Minimum of one, maximum of three. Gotta have room on the pads for Kirk, McCoy, and Spock.

339 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:40:05am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

Can these fuckballs name EVEN ONE THING that Obama has done to damage the Constitution? Other than being POTUS while only 3/5 of a person?

Well, according to my fb he has as about a gazillion more executive orders than any previous president.

He is a hypocrite —which I guess is Bill of Rights violation

and most of all he wants to take your gunz!

340 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #338 Targetpractice

Or, the bloodbath is directly related to the numbers responding.

341 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:41:15am

What right wing sexism?

342 allegro  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:41:47am

Well, this is an interesting bit from Digby…

Investigators have a theory that Adam Lanza’s interest in Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik might have led to the Dec. 14 massacre that left 20 children and six adults dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

The theory is based in part on several news articles about Breivik that investigators found in Lanza’s bedroom at the Newtown home where he lived with his mother, Nancy Lanza, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the investigation.
…
CBS News reported Monday that Lanza saw himself as being in competition with Breivik and chose Sandy Hook Elementary because it was the “easiest target.”

343 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:42:02am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

Can these fuckballs name EVEN ONE THING that Obama has done to damage the Constitution? Other than being POTUS while only 3/5 of a person?

The WAR hashtag is intriguing. Does the tweeter want us to go to war somewhere? Or are he and the others locked behind the walls of Twitter Gulag preparing to wage war and bust out?

344 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:43:06am

re: #343 Bulworth

WAR - White Aryan Resistance.

345 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:43:30am

re: #343 Bulworth

The WAR hashtag is intriguing. Does the tweeter want us to go to war somewhere? Or are he and the others locked behind the walls of Twitter Gulag preparing to wage war and bust out?

They really want a Civil War do-over. And this time THE YANKEES HAVE DRONES AND F-16s.

346 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:07am

re: #344 lawhawk

WAR - White Aryan Resistance.

Lemme guess: They are resisting the dominance of white Aryans?

347 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:16am

re: #344 lawhawk

WAR - White Aryan Resistance.

What right-wing racism?

348 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:21am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

They really want a Civil War do-over. And this time THE YANKEES HAVE DRONES AND F-16s.

Yes, they do and they are as short-sighted as they were in the 1800’s.

349 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:23am

re: #336 Bulworth

I’ve lost my derp decoder. Else I could try to translate this into English.

It’s simple. Orly’s case is case number 12A606, and it’s Edward Noonan and a bunch of others vs the California Secretary of State Debra Bowen. He copied that information from the Supreme Court of the US website, their Orders page, and pasted it into the tweet.

“This is good!” means he is an idiot who thinks the only order the supreme court will issue is either for a hearing or a summary decision in favor of Noonan. As others have noted above, the actual decision was to deny certification whereupon Roberts ORDERED the lower court to lift the stay and proceed with the trial.

350 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:29am

re: #344 lawhawk

WAR - White Aryan Resistance.

Sigh.

351 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:44:53am

Dark Matter Experiment on ISS to Announce First Results

One of the most exciting, and with $1.5 billion also most expensive experiments aboard the International Space Station, is poised to be put into the spotlight in two weeks, when the first comprehensive paper with results about the hunt for dark matter will be published. The leading scientist of the space-based particle physics experiment, MIT physicist Samuel Ting, announced on Monday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science that their new paper would appear soon and contain big news on the (dark) matter.

The particle collector, called Alpha Magnetic Spectrometer, cannot detect the invisible dark matter directly. Instead, it uses a powerful magnet to measure and distinguish between whatever matter and antimatter comes from deep space in the form of cosmic rays.

Since AMS was installed on the space station in May 2011 it has registered some 25 billion cosmic ray particles, Dr. Ting says. Of those, some 7.7 million are electrons or positrons (the electron’s antimatter counterpart). It is the ratio between the two that may ultimately reveal something about dark matter.

No word if dark matter affects communication.

352 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:46:01am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Dark Matter Experiment on ISS to Announce First Results

No word if dark matter affects communication.

It didn’t work out well in Star Trek, although it had a silver lining for Spock.

(is dark matter the same as anti-matter?)

353 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:46:04am

Yeah everything was just peachy until that mean Mr. Obama came along and ruined everything. Why he signed the Alien and Sedition Acts into law, the Espionage Act, and even justified the internment of US citizens because of their ethnic background being the same as the country the nation was at war with. Oh wait, these are all things Obama’s predecessors did in the name of the Constitution. Fucking right wing losers.

354 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:46:51am

WAR should stand for Whiny Angry Ragegasm which is what most right wing tweets on twitter can be defined as.

355 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:47:24am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Yeah everything was just peachy until that mean Mr. Obama came along and ruined everything. Why he signed the Alien and Sedition Acts into law, the Espionage Act, and even justified the internment of US citizens because of their ethnic background being the same as the country the nation was at war with. Oh wait, these are all things Obama’s predecessors did in the name of the Constitution. Fucking right wing losers.

Wingnuts have whipped themselves into a frenzy of

OBAMA IS THE WORSTEST PRESIDENT THEIR EVER WAZ IN TEH HOLE HISTORY OF TEH WORLD EVER!1!

356 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:47:43am

re: #353 HappyWarrior

Yeah everything was just peachy until that mean Mr. Obama came along and ruined everything. Why he signed the Alien and Sedition Acts into law, the Espionage Act, and even justified the internment of US citizens because of their ethnic background being the same as the country the nation was at war with. Oh wait, these are all things Obama’s predecessors did in the name of the Constitution. Fucking right wing losers.

Is Cthuhlu an alien?

357 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:48:29am

HERP DERP

358 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:48:32am

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Yes, you read that right. This guy wants to make it a felony to propose gun safety regulation. Dude, just dude……….. I mean damn as stupid and bigoted as I think gay marriage and abortion political opponents are, I don’t think they’re criminals for proposing their legislation.

359 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:48:57am

re: #356 FemNaziBitch

Is Cthuhlu an alien?

Have to ask President Adams and the Federalists.

360 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:49:23am

And the Birther delusion continues! (Tweet embedded link that looks hinky)

361 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:50:05am

Guess who’s coming to the Conservative Party Action Clownshow this year?

“We are pleased to again welcome Governor Sarah Palin to CPAC in March,” American Conservative Union (ACU) Chairman Al Cardenas said in a statement. “Governor Palin electrified the crowd in 2012 and we are thrilled to welcome her back this year.”

I didn’t think God loved me enough to allow Sarah Grifter, post-Faux News firing, to maintain her position as GOPteabag spokesperson.

362 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:50:23am

DOOFUS OF THE DAY.

363 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:50:27am

re: #358 HappyWarrior

[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Yes, you read that right. This guy wants to make it a felony to propose gun safety regulation. Dude, just dude……….. I mean damn as stupid and bigoted as I think gay marriage and abortion political opponents are, I don’t think they’re criminals for proposing their legislation.

Wouldn’t that kind of law be unconstitutional on its face?

Looks like shameless pandering to me.

364 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:50:28am

It’s very much the old European Aristocracy arrogance. A “gentleman” cannot do wrong, he cannot be dirty or carry germs or be judged by the same stick as the “lower classes” He simply doesn’t bleed or don his pants as others do.

Therefore, in the war between the States, the Southern Gentleman Farmer cannot lose. He is morally above his enemy and the forces of justice are on his side.

365 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:50:30am

re: #355 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts have whipped themselves into a frenzy of

Pretty much. They want to believe that everything was peachy until Obama took over. Because you know Bush was so awesome and never did anything that could be remotely considered unconstitutional as president.

366 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:51:35am

re: #363 Lidane

Wouldn’t that kind of law be unconstitutional on its face?

Looks like shameless pandering to me.

Yeah, I think this is one of those “Make a stupid point” bills but who knows, the way some gun nuts see anyone who doesn’t see a gun as a penis surrogate, I don’t know.

367 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:53:11am

re: #345 Vicious Babushka

They really want a Civil War do-over. And this time THE YANKEES HAVE DRONES AND F-16s.

They think that most/all of the military will support them, because only conservatives - and RW conservatives at that - join the military.

They believe that because their cause is just and they’re more willing to fight that they will win - one wolf will overwhelm any herd of sheep.

They have created this strawman image of “liberal”, and think it real.

So yes, they want a do-over, and what the yankees think they have just doesn’t matter.

368 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:53:15am

re: #364 FemNaziBitch

It’s very much the old European Aristocracy arrogance. A “gentleman” cannot do wrong, he cannot be dirty or carry germs or be judged by the same stick as the “lower classes” He simply doesn’t bleed or don his pants as others do.

That actually is similar to what the Lost Causers claim. They also claim their office corps was somehow more noble than the Southern one. Fah! Give me Thomas Meagher and the 69th New York over any CSA man.

369 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:54:18am

re: #368 HappyWarrior

That actually is similar to what the Lost Causers claim. They also claim their office corps was somehow more noble than the Southern one. Fah! Give me Thomas Meagher and the 69th New York over any CSA man.

Yes, Noble Bullets always meet their target!

*spit*

370 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:54:36am

re: #351 NJDhockeyfan

Dark Matter Experiment on ISS to Announce First Results

No word if dark matter affects communication.

Paging Dr. Gordon Freeman…

371 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:55:24am

Looks as if someone is really Really REALLY Ronery and wants some attention!!

North Korea threatens South with “final destruction”

[Link: www.reuters.com…]

Youtube Video
372 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:55:43am

re: #367 kirkspencer

They think that most/all of the military will support them, because only conservatives - and RW conservatives at that - join the military.

They believe that because their cause is just and they’re more willing to fight that they will win - one wolf will overwhelm any herd of sheep.

They have created this strawman image of “liberal”, and think it real.

So yes, they want a do-over, and what the yankees think they have just doesn’t matter.

Yeah, they have this image that should a Civil War come that the military by and large will ignore their oath and join a bunch of butthurt assholes who hate the fact that Obama is POTUS and have nothing other than that to justify their secession. It’s actually frankly a rather dim view of our military that they have. That they(the military) would mutiny in mass because of politics. I mean I am sure the rank and file of the military is still pretty conservative probably but they care about the nation more than they do petty political bs which is why the rwnj would be in a rude awakening if they ever tired their little civil war.

373 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:57:25am

re: #362 Vicious Babushka

DOOFUS OF THE DAY.

sigh. Just start sending this link, directly to the SCOTUS.

Copying that page, my emphasis:

No. 12A606
Title:
Edward Noonan, et al., Applicants
v.
Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State
Docketed: December 13, 2012
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of California
Case Nos.: (S207078)

~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Dec 11 2012 Application (12A606) for a stay, submitted to Justice Kennedy.
Dec 13 2012 Application (12A606) denied by Justice Kennedy.
Dec 26 2012 Application (12A606) refiled and submitted to The Chief Justice.
Jan 9 2013 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of February 15, 2013.
Jan 9 2013 Application (12A606) referred to the Court.
Feb 19 2013 Application (12A606) denied by the Court.


~~Name~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~Address~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~Phone~~~
Attorneys for Petitioner:
Orly Taitz 29839 Santa Margarita Pkwy[no phone numbers allowed]
Rancho Santa Margarita, CA 92688
Party name: Edward Noonan, et al.
Attorneys for Respondent:
Kamala Harris Attorney General[no phone numbers allowed]
P. O. Box 944255
Sacramento, CA 94244-2550
Party name: Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State

374 sattv4u2  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 8:57:42am

bbiab

375 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:03:49am

I will never understand street preachers. There’s a guy here in downtown Austin who stands on the corner yelling at the top of his lungs every day about how the world has gone to shit and only faith in Jesus can save it. He’s yelling at the cars as they drive by.

WTF. How is that going to convert anyone? Even the homeless guys either ignore him or walk on by.

376 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:04:30am

SIGH

377 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:04:48am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

A birther’s lack of reading comprehension, let me show you it.

378 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:05:28am
379 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:05:38am

More GOP focus on the Economy:

In New Push for “Personhood,” Arizona Anti-Choicers Push Bill to Track Every Embryo

380 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:05:51am

Iran sends out snipers to dispatch rats

The Iranian regime has plenty of experience when it comes to extermination, but usually the target is its political opponents.

Today it is seeking to crush a new enemy — the rats that are overrunning Tehran.

These are real rodents, not the human variety, although the means the authorities are deploying against them are not dissimilar.

Poison is proving less and less effective, so they are using sniper teams.

Heh.

381 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:06:20am

re: #379 FemNaziBitch

More GOP focus on the Economy:

In New Push for “Personhood,” Arizona Anti-Choicers Push Bill to Track Every Embryo

Tracking embryos = A-OK and totally Constitutional.

Tracking guns = ZOMG TYRANNY

382 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:06:28am

Now the wingnuts are linking to white supremacist sites in their desperation.

383 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:06:42am

re: #380 NJDhockeyfan

Iran sends out snipers to dispatch rats

Heh.

Cats are out of the question?

384 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:07:29am

re: #379 FemNaziBitch

More GOP focus on the Economy:

In New Push for “Personhood,” Arizona Anti-Choicers Push Bill to Track Every Embryo

Ladies! Send ‘em all your used feminine hygiene products! Just in case!

385 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:07:59am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

Cats are out of the question?

They shoot back.
Image: sniper-cat.jpg

386 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:09:06am
387 Feline Fearless Leader  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:09:26am

re: #383 FemNaziBitch

Cats are out of the question?

Are Feline Overlords that effective vs rats?

388 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:09:53am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

SIGH

The ALL CAPS means it’s the truth. //

389 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:10:54am

re: #388 Bulworth

The ALL CAPS means it’s the truth. //

G.M. Anderson now desperately linking to some conspiracy white supremacist site. (not embedding or linking here)

390 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:10:59am

re: #388 Bulworth

TROLLS LIED, PEOPLE DIED #BENGHAZI!!!!111

391 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:11:21am

re: #387 Feline Fearless Leader

Are Feline Overlords that effective vs rats?

HERETIC!!!

392 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:14:56am

OK, my services as a neighborly dog sitter are not needed, so I’m back. You lucky people you.

393 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:15:19am

cat killing rat

Youtube Video
394 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:16:26am

re: #392 A Mom Anon

OK, my services as a neighborly dog sitter are not needed, so I’m back. You lucky people you.

(((((momanon))))))

395 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:17:21am

What would we do without a Godwin?

396 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:17:35am

ZOMG that guy in the White House is so mean! He won’t leave!

397 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:20:30am
Youtube Video
398 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:20:50am
399 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:21:26am

Oh look. A Geert Wilders fanboy, complete with fan art. Not embedding this because EW. Gross.

Click at your own risk.

400 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:21:28am

re: #393 FemNaziBitch

Youtube Video
401 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:21:56am

re: #398 lawhawk

Think he’ll listen to a lawyer?

402 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:23:31am

re: #399 Lidane

Oh look. A Geert Wilders fanboy, complete with fan art. Not embedding this because EW. Gross.

Click at your own risk.

That guy is just an asshole troll who has been Twittergulag’ed beaucoup times.

403 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:23:48am

re: #401 b_sharp

Nope. Derpitude repulses all. We’re going to have to nuke it from orbit. That’s the only way to be sure. /hicks

404 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:26:05am

Is there a skull thickening agent in the water systems?

How thick can the skull get before essential biological systems stop functioning?

405 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:27:38am

re: #404 b_sharp

Is there a skull thickening agent in the water systems?

How thick can the skull get before essential biological systems stop functioning?

hmmm, pressure on the brain from bony structures … .

406 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:27:42am

Except it’s the “job creators” who don’t want to pay minimum wage who are making war on the poor.

407 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:28:10am

Wow, there is this app called Podcasts for iPhone —totally cool. NO more downloading to iTunes and syncing —I’m loving it.

408 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:28:17am

Okay, I just watched all of the MSNBC report.

Fucking ruined my day. I feel every bit as pissed off as I felt the day that fucking war started. Should have trusted my instincts and just not watched it.

409 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:28:46am

Jesus H. Christ this guy is freaking stupid.

410 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:28:50am

re: #401 b_sharp

Think he’ll listen to a lawyer?

LOL no:

411 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:29:45am

re: #396 Lidane

We are rather fortunate to live in a time and place in which the longest we have to put up with any leader is 8 years. We’ve had a peaceful hand-over of power now for over 200 years.

Yet, that isn’t enough for some people.

412 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:29:48am

re: #410 Lidane

LOL no:

Stop copying me!

413 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:30:24am

And G.M. Anderson links to whackjob conspiracy site AGAIN.

414 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:30:40am

re: #412 Vicious Babushka

Stop copying me!

sincerest form of flattery?

415 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:32:01am

re: #394 FemNaziBitch

(((right back atcha,thank you))) It’s been a shit week around here. I’m just glad the neighbor kid is ok. Despite my serious disagreements with her wing nut parents, they have two of the nicest and brightest teenage daughters you’d ever want to meet. Today is their other kid’s birthday too, so it’s not been the best day for that family.

416 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:32:15am

re: #414 FemNaziBitch

sincerest form of flattery?

It means we’re both reading the same hashtag.

417 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:34:24am

cat kills rat
coyote kills cat
________________

418 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:34:52am

re: #415 A Mom Anon

(((right back atcha,thank you))) It’s been a shit week around here. I’m just glad the neighbor kid is ok. Despite my serious disagreements with her wing nut parents, they have two of the nicest and brightest teenage daughters you’d ever want to meet. Today is their other kid’s birthday too, so it’s not been the best day for that family.

My favorite aunt got in a serious accident on my birthday when I was a kid. Sucked, but more for her, of course. She came out of it OK, but still (40 years later) always wears long sleeves because of the scars.

419 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:36:28am

?????

This is the shit that goes around and it just isn’t worth rebutting because the next one will say “fight fire with fire.”

I swear, they just throw spaghetti and hope some of it sticks to the wall.

420 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:37:00am

G.M. Anderson has given up arguing with us TROLLS, back to Tweeting stupid shit from whackjob conspiracy site.

421 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:37:25am

I know, it’s useless to argue with a dedicated birther who rejects reality and substitutes his own, but this guy really takes the cake.

422 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:38:57am

*FACE PALMING GODWIN* Even Hitler thinks you’re stupid.

423 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:39:13am

Haha. Good point:

424 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:41:07am

re: #418 wrenchwench

Her mom said they talked with her and she’s ok, just shaken and scared to death. So hopefully all is well. This kid spent a fair share of time here when we first moved in, she’s the same age as my son. Of course as they grew up they grew apart, two different worlds there(and my son has Aspergers so they were in separate classes all through elementary and part of middle school),but they still keep in touch via Facebook. She’s an awesome kid, I just hope she’s ok.

425 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:41:09am

Car jacker kills at least 2 then himself in Orange County CA.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

426 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:42:14am

re: #425 efuseakay

Car jacker kills at least 2 then himself in Orange County CA.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

:(

427 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:42:25am

re: #416 Vicious Babushka

It means we’re both reading the same hashtag.

Yep. And it means I need to go back to my neglected HootSuite feeds. The fail at TGDN is overwhelming.

428 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:44:10am

re: #421 lawhawk

I know, it’s useless to argue with a dedicated birther who rejects reality and substitutes his own, but this guy really takes the cake.

That guy is actually quite entertaining.

429 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:44:19am

re: #425 efuseakay

Car jacker kills at least 2 then himself in Orange County CA.

[Link: bbc.co.uk…]

More recent and local link.

Crap.

430 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:45:14am

Anonymous hacks U.S. State Department and investment firm, leaks data

Anonymous continues with its Operation Last Resort, and its latest targets were the websites of the U.S. Department of State (state.gov) and of investment firm George K. Baum and Company (gkbaum.com).

From the former they exfiltrated - and published - databases containing a treasure trove of personal information about their employees (names, birth dates, phone numbers, email addresses, home and work addresses, and so on).

“Our reasons for this attack are very simple. You’ve imprisoned or either censored our people. […] Basically, you tried to put an end to us and you got owned, there’s nothing more you can say or do. You took away Topiary, Avunit, Neuron, Pwnsauce, lolspoon, Aaron Swartz shall we go on?” they wrote in a not accompanying the leak, reiterating that Operation Last Resort has been launched in memory of recently tragically deceased Internet activist Aaron Swartz.

George K. Baum and Company’s website was defaced, and a link to a ZeroBin post containing details of their customers’ accounts (names, email addresses, passwords and more) in clear text was published on it.

According to a post on the @OpLastResort Twitter account, the investment firm was hit because its Vice President Joshua Magden was a client of Stratfor (Strategic Forecasting Inc.), a US-based think-tank that Anonymous hacked in December 2011.

431 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:46:12am

re: #428 efuseakay

That guy is actually quite entertaining.

He keeps linking to this site “political velcraft dot org” is that a white supremacist site or just a garden variety birther conspiracy site? Don’t want to click on it.

432 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:46:35am

re: #426 FemNaziBitch

:(

Yup. The thing is, most of these “if only they had a gun” incidents would have turned out no different if the victims had guns. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Imagine if this guy found even more guns in these cars…

433 iossarian  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:47:46am

re: #432 efuseakay

Yup. The thing is, most of these “if only they had a gun” incidents would have turned out no different if the victims had guns. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Imagine if this guy found even more guns in these cars…

Dash-mounted machine gun.

Waste any fucker who walks within 10 feet of your car.

Stay safe out there, law-abiding citizens!

434 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:47:53am

re: #431 Vicious Babushka

He keeps linking to this site “political velcraft dot org” is that a white supremacist site or just a garden variety birther conspiracy site? Don’t want to click on it.

I don’t want to either. Rock Paper Scissors Spock?

435 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:48:06am

re: #431 Vicious Babushka

He keeps linking to this site “political velcraft dot org” is that a white supremacist site or just a garden variety birther conspiracy site? Don’t want to click on it.

I didn’t want to click on it, either, so I googled it. Link

436 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:48:10am

re: #432 efuseakay

Yup. The thing is, most of these “if only they had a gun” incidents would have turned out no different if the victims had guns. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Imagine if this guy found even more guns in these cars…

I can’t make such assertions when things like this happens. It’s such a stupid thing to happen. Tragic and Stupid. I’m glad I’m not a cop.

437 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:49:16am

*sigh*

438 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:50:39am

MOAR FACE PALM

439 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:50:48am

re: #437 Lidane

*sigh*

Plenty of money for prisons, tho … .

440 darthstar  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:51:28am

Snow horses

Image: 26342_10151265496465658_2098009443_n.jpg

441 iossarian  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:51:44am

re: #437 Lidane

*sigh*

“We don’t have the money” and “we can’t afford it” are my favorite conservative euphemisms at the moment. They both mean “making this happen would require me to give up one of my yachts”.

442 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:52:22am

re: #429 wrenchwench

Ugh.

443 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:53:02am

re: #386 geoffm33

Actually, the link wasn’t broken as reported in my tweet, just didn’t work in Chrome/Mac. Works in Safari though, so user error :)

444 A Mom Anon  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:53:08am

re: #437 Lidane

In their warped heads it’s only poor people that will benefit from such things so of course it’s immoral. Sigh. Seriously though, what’s immoral is thinking the only payback that exists in this world is via money and things. Everything else is a waste, unless of course it directly benefits them. Education is a key out of poverty which in turn benefits everyone. Just like investments in roads and bridges, the power grid and other infrastructure benefits all of us. It must suck to be blinded by partisan bullshit, what a small and miserable life that must be.

445 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:54:27am

re: #441 iossarian

“We don’t have the money” and “we can’t afford it” are my favorite conservative euphemisms at the moment. They both mean “making this happen would require me to give up one of my yachts”.

Educating our kids. BAD!

War with Iraq. Patriotic!

446 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:55:09am

Actually, what we need is not actually “preschool” but “stimulating daycare”. Kids need enriched environments so Mom’s can go to work and not worry so much.

447 Killgore Trout  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:55:13am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

You took away Topiary, Avunit, Neuron, Pwnsauce, lolspoon, Aaron Swartz shall we go on?

No mention of Barret Brown. Heh

448 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:55:23am

re: #445 efuseakay

Educating our kids. BAD!

War with Iraq. Patriotic!

Minimum Wage. BAD!
Food Stamps. BAD!
Working for a bowl of rice & gruel. FREE MARKET!

449 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:56:09am

re: #444 A Mom Anon

In their warped heads it’s only poor people that will benefit from such things so of course it’s immoral. Sigh. Seriously though, what’s immoral is thinking the only payback that exists in this world is via money and things. Everything else is a waste, unless of course it directly benefits them. Education is a key out of poverty which in turn benefits everyone. Just like investments in roads and bridges, the power grid and other infrastructure benefits all of us. It must suck to be blinded by partisan bullshit, what a small and miserable life that must be.

They will argue that every fetus is a potential Einstein to prohibit abortion, but refuse to feed, clothe, or educate so that the potential can be achieved. If your principles vanish when they make you uncomfortable, they’re not principles.

450 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:56:20am

re: #443 geoffm33

Actually, the link wasn’t broken as reported in my tweet, just didn’t work in Chrome/Mac. Works in Safari though, so user error :)

Works on IE too.

451 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:56:44am

re: #445 efuseakay

Educating our kids. BAD!

War with Iraq. Patriotic!

Gotta love it right. Damn elitist Obama thinking that our kids should be educated an early age. How dare he!

452 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:56:46am

re: #444 A Mom Anon

In their warped heads it’s only poor people that will benefit from such things so of course it’s immoral. Sigh. Seriously though, what’s immoral is thinking the only payback that exists in this world is via money and things. Everything else is a waste, unless of course it directly benefits them. Education is a key out of poverty which in turn benefits everyone. Just like investments in roads and bridges, the power grid and other infrastructure benefits all of us. It must suck to be blinded by partisan bullshit, what a small and miserable life that must be.

I know, I want to ask them what is the point —moar money? Or people?

453 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:56:51am
454 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:57:08am

re: #450 Dr. Matt

Thanks. I was ascared that the conspiracy was true!

455 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:57:40am

re: #451 HappyWarrior

Gotta love it right. Damn elitist Obama thinking that our kids should be indoctrinated an early age. How dare he!

FTFY

456 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:57:57am

re: #450 Dr. Matt

Works on IE too.

worked in my Chrome (Ver 24.0.1312.57 m) but then I’m the one who first posted the link - may be cookies at work.

457 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:58:31am

re: #449 kirkspencer

They will argue that every fetus is a potential Einstein to prohibit abortion, but refuse to feed, clothe, or educate so that the potential can be achieved. If your principles vanish when they make you uncomfortable, they’re not principles.

Because the result of pregnancy is proof of the moral failing of every women.

Don’t you get it?

She is responsible she is the slut who had sex. Why should the government (taxpayers) pay for her sex life.

458 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:58:39am

re: #342 allegro

Well, this is an interesting bit from Digby…

KYW 1060 News Radio in Philly reported that Lanza was emulating a video game, and mentioned in passing the Brevik connection. They barely mentioned that the CT State Police weren’t confirming it.

Your liberal media in action…

459 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:58:59am

re: #455 geoffm33

Yeah, sigh……. Shit like this is why I’d never want a career in politics. When you have a sizable chunk who views public education as “liberal indoctrination” then you’re going to have a lot of political hangovers that make the other hangovers look like nothing.

460 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:59:32am

The little bugger is persistent. Pending cases webpage is updated once a day. Cases are decided on but “pending cases” webpage is not updated till the next day.

461 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 9:59:37am

re: #456 kirkspencer

worked in my Chrome (Ver 24.0.1312.57 m) but then I’m the one who first posted the link - may be cookies at work.

Mmm, I want cookies at work….

462 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:00:36am

re: #461 wrenchwench

Mmm, I want cookies at work….

Cookies at Work. That is simultaneously a good idea, and a great band name.

463 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:01:27am

re: #457 FemNaziBitch

Because the result of pregnancy is proof of the moral failing of every women.

Don’t you get it?

Thought that was obvious, actually.

I mean, look at how an unwanted pregnancy or teen pregnancy is always her fault. It’s as though every single one of the women conned or drugged or raped some innocent man who never would have participated if truly given a choice in the matter. (do I need a sarc tag, really?)

464 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:01:47am

Washington Times Pushes Anti-Muslim John Brennan Conspiracy Theory

Retired Adm. James A. Lyons took to the Washington Times today to push the burgeoning Homeland-inspired conspiracy theory that John Brennan, President Obama’s nominee to lead the CIA, is a Saudi secret agent.

The theory was first cooked up by John Guandolo, a former FBI agent who resigned from his job after he was charged with having an affair with a star witness in the corruption trial of former congressman William Jefferson, among other improprieties. He has since made a career promoting anti-Muslim conspiracies.

In the Washington Times, Lyons writes that Saudi Arabia’s “recruitment of Mr. Brennan to the ideology of Islam” makes him a security risk.

“It’s interesting that no counterintelligence alarm was triggered at the time that this alleged conversion was occurring,” Lyons writes. This could, of course, be because there is no proof it ever happened. But Lyons supposes, “Most likely, that’s because at that time the sophisticated Islamic objectives driving the global jihad movement by the Muslim Brotherhood were not understood by those who witnessed his ‘conversion.’”

465 Gus  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:02:11am

re: #430 NJDhockeyfan

Anonymous hacks U.S. State Department and investment firm, leaks data


466 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:02:53am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

MOAR FACE PALM

Thanks for the invitation/suggestion but I’d rather pound my head against a wall.

467 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:02:57am

re: #463 kirkspencer

Thought that was obvious, actually.

I mean, look at how an unwanted pregnancy or teen pregnancy is always her fault. It’s as though every single one of the women conned or drugged or raped some innocent man who never would have participated if truly given a choice in the matter. (do I need a sarc tag, really?)

Even a married woman who has fallen on hard times is moved into the category of a “bad woman”.

Yet, we don’t have a War on Woman or a Rape Culture.

*spit*

468 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:03:13am

re: #460 Vicious Babushka

Smarter than that birther whackjob:

469 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:03:40am

re: #432 efuseakay

Yup. The thing is, most of these “if only they had a gun” incidents would have turned out no different if the victims had guns. Criminals almost always have the element of surprise. Imagine if this guy found even more guns in these cars…

If only we had a good study on the matter. But we don’t, so we don’t really know how that plays out. All the existing studies have been done by advocates-From pro gun CATO to anti gun HCI. More loyal to the cause than the facts. But it’s really easy to find instances of car jacking stopped by a gun. I found a bunch where off duty cops intervened successfully. An off duty cop is pragmatically the same as a reasonably well trained CCW civilian.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Question is, why did this guy shoot unarmed people?

470 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:04:32am

re: #438 Vicious Babushka

This guy claims to be on the board of trustees for the “National Office of Professional Conduct” and claims to root out crooked lawyers.

The irony is rather frothy considering that he’s supporting Taitz.

471 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:03am
472 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:04am

re: #464 Kragar (Antichrist )

Washington Times Pushes Anti-Muslim John Brennan Conspiracy Theory

There’s a reason why the Washington Times has but a fraction of the readers the Post does and that’s a good example as any.

473 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #469 Political Atheist

Question is, why did this guy shoot unarmed people?

Counter-question: Why were the people he shot unarmed?

474 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:28am

I USE CAPITAL LETTERS, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY FO REALZ GUYS!

475 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:48am

Oklahoma sheriff: ‘Spontaneous human combustion’ killed 65-year-old man

He was old, probably dry all the way thru. Old people go up like bonfires.
/

476 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:05:57am

re: #470 lawhawk

This guy claims to be on the board of trustees for the “National Office of Professional Conduct” and claims to root out crooked lawyers.

The irony is rather frothy considering that he’s supporting Taitz.

Is that something P.J. O’Rourke came-up with?

477 Dr. Matt  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:06:04am

re: #456 kirkspencer

worked in my Chrome (Ver 24.0.1312.57 m) but then I’m the one who first posted the link - may be cookies at work.

Weird, I have ‘Version 24.0.1312.57 m’ as well. Even after I cleared my cache the [Link: www.supremecourt.gov…] still shows up blank.

478 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:06:29am

re: #458 Mattand

The CT State Police isn’t confirming and wont confirm or deny that Lanza was looking to emulate Breivik or that he was fixated on video games to hone his skills that he also practiced at the gun range with his mom (who he also murdered). It’s a leak from an ongoing investigation that may not pan out.

I’d treat it as that - speculation.

479 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:06:39am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

Uh oh, we’re in trouble now!
///

480 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:07:17am

Pink moonbat Medea Benjamin is not happy with Obama’s golfing weekend.

Golfing while the planet burns: Obama and the Keystone XL pipeline

To save time from copying her rage here is an explanation…blah blah blah…and golf ‘is one of the most environmentally destructive sports around.’

481 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:07:24am

re: #474 HappyWarrior

I USE CAPITAL LETTERS, TAKE ME SERIOUSLY FO REALZ GUYS!

You only used one exclamation point, so it can’t be that important.

482 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:07:58am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

You should correct him. It should be their, not there.

483 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:08:03am

re: #481 Kragar (Antichrist )

You only used one exclamation point, so it can’t be that important.

Haha, well played sir, well played.

484 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:11am

re: #482 Kragar (Antichrist )

You should correct him. It should be their, not there.

So they’re!!!

485 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:18am

Honestly after Christopher Walken read Poker Face and lines from Honey Boo-Boo, I humbly nominate Christopher Walker to read angry wingnut screeds. I don’t know his personal politics but I imagine it would be hilarious.

486 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:21am

re: #469 Political Atheist

If only we had a good study on the matter. But we don’t, so we don’t really know how that plays out. All the existing studies have been done by advocates-From pro gun CATO to anti gun HCI. More loyal to the cause than the facts. But it’s really easy to find instances of car jacking stopped by a gun. I found a bunch where off duty cops intervened successfully. An off duty cop is pragmatically the same as a reasonably well trained CCW civilian.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Question is, why did this guy shoot unarmed people?

Wonder what the chances are of having an alert, well-trained of-duty cop sitting in traffic with you, ready to save your life in a split second. Not trying to be flippant. There are just too many situations where having CCW etc. would not save you. :(

487 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:22am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

Yep, that’s the battle cry, wouldn’t be surprised if one of us tweeters were temp-suspended.

488 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:29am

re: #482 Kragar (Antichrist )

You should correct him. It should be their, not there.

LIBRUL TROLLZ & THERE OBAMA SPELCHEKS!1!

489 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:09:40am

On the topic of the post at the top:

490 Gus  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:10:06am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Pink moonbat Medea Benjamin is not happy with Obama’s golfing weekend.

Golfing while the planet burns: Obama and the Keystone XL pipeline

To save time from copying her rage here is an explanation…blah blah blah…and golf ‘is one of the most environmentally destructive sports around.’

Here’s where that originally appeared.

[Link: www.commondreams.org…]

Also…

Image: The-Circle-of-Derp.jpg

491 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:10:09am

re: #484 Sol Berdinowitz

So they’re!!!

*there

492 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:10:51am

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Honestly after Christopher Walken read Poker Face and lines from Honey Boo-Boo, I humbly nominate Christopher Walker to read angry wingnut screeds. I don’t know his personal politics but I imagine it would be hilarious.

I watch “Seven Psychopaths” the other night. Was not as funny as I thought it would be.

Maybe tonight I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

493 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:11:05am

re: #473 Sol Berdinowitz

Counter-question: Why were the people he shot unarmed?

Either by choice or by law. Why?

494 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:11:21am

re: #487 geoffm33

Yep, that’s the battle cry, wouldn’t be surprised if one of us tweeters were temp-suspended.

I told him to go check out Orly’s site since even she said it was denied. LOL. Wonder if that’s what he’s doing right now.

495 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:11:52am

re: #469 Political Atheist

If only we had a good study on the matter. But we don’t, so we don’t really know how that plays out. All the existing studies have been done by advocates-From pro gun CATO to anti gun HCI. More loyal to the cause than the facts. But it’s really easy to find instances of car jacking stopped by a gun. I found a bunch where off duty cops intervened successfully. An off duty cop is pragmatically the same as a reasonably well trained CCW civilian.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Question is, why did this guy shoot unarmed people?

Umm, actually, the car jacking was not stopped by a gun, or even the person using the gun. The guy got away with the car. He was caught later by police.

496 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:12:08am

re: #494 Sionainn

I told him to go check out Orly’s site since even she said it was denied. LOL. Wonder if that’s what he’s doing right now.

Looks like he gets all his “facts” from that crazy white supremacist conspiracy site.

497 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:12:16am

re: #492 Vicious Babushka

I watch “Seven Psychopaths” the other night. Was not as funny as I thought it would be.

Maybe tonight I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

I enjoyed that one. Big Lebowski is great though. John Goodman’s best role IMO is Walter in that movie.

498 Sionainn  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:12:49am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Looks like he gets all his “facts” from that crazy white supremacist conspiracy site.

Yeah, he was silent when I pointed that out to him. hehehe

499 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:13:44am

re: #496 Vicious Babushka

Looks like he gets all his “facts” from that crazy white supremacist conspiracy site.

kinda makes me wonder if it’s his site.

Oh, and that site - political vel craft - is a full RWNJ site. (Yes, I went and looked). General craziness of which white supremacy is just a part.

500 FemNaziBitch  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:13:49am

bbl

501 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:14:07am

re: #492 Vicious Babushka

I watch “Seven Psychopaths” the other night. Was not as funny as I thought it would be.

Maybe tonight I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

When in doubt, watch MST3k

Girl in bikini: “Are you coming or do I swim alone?”
Crow: “Yes and yes.”

502 geoffm33  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:14:10am

re: #494 Sionainn

I told him to go check out Orly’s site since even she said it was denied. LOL. Wonder if that’s what he’s doing right now.

If he does, he’ll come back and CUT AND PASTE it for you. Just trust him.

503 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:14:52am

re: #497 HappyWarrior

I enjoyed that one. Big Lebowski is great though. John Goodman’s best role IMO is Walter in that movie.

Babushka’s Top 5 Greatest Comedies Ever!

1. Blazing Saddles
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Monty Python’s Life of Brian
4. Spaceballs
5. History of the World, Part I

504 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:17:03am

re: #348 FemNaziBitch

Yes, they do and they are as short-sighted as they were in the 1800’s.

But their hearts are pure and their cause is good. Therefore God will intervene on their side and so victory is assured. ///

505 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:17:14am

re: #469 Political Atheist

I I found a bunch where off duty cops intervened successfully. An off duty cop is pragmatically the same as a reasonably well trained CCW civilian.

That is absolutely not true. Cops go through far, far, far, far more training than even above-average CCW holders. And they have living experience.

506 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:17:18am

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Honestly after Christopher Walken read Poker Face and lines from Honey Boo-Boo, I humbly nominate Christopher Walker to read angry wingnut screeds. I don’t know his personal politics but I imagine it would be hilarious.

Only if done to the music of Weapon of Choice.

507 makeitstop  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:18:20am

re: #475 Kragar (Antichrist )

Oklahoma sheriff: ‘Spontaneous human combustion’ killed 65-year-old man

He was old, probably dry all the way thru. Old people go up like bonfires.
/

Another former drummer for Spinal Tap.

508 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:18:59am

Other 5 of Babushka’s Top 10

6. Monty Python’s Holy Grail
7. Airplane!
8. It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
9. The Producers (original with Zero Mostel & Gene Wilder)
10. Robin Hood: Men in Tights

509 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:19:10am

re: #493 Political Atheist

Either by choice or by law. Why?

If they had been in a position to defend themselves, etc…

/

510 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:19:32am

re: #486 efuseakay

Wonder what the chances are of having an alert, well-trained of-duty cop sitting in traffic with you, ready to save your life in a split second. Not trying to be flippant. There are just too many situations where having CCW etc. would not save you. :(

A great example of that is the Aurora shoot, where the stats imply several CCW folks in the audience. if the CCW rate there is only 1%-5 for 5 did the right thing and fled. They did the sensible thing. Which happens a lot. I do not get the assumption the gun is any kind of guarantee.

I’m starting to think anti gun people are projecting that falsehood to promote their view, but it’s a strawman of the first order. No defense class I have ever seen presents a weapon (or martial art) as anything but an improved fighting chance.

511 Mattand  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:20:53am

re: #501 Kragar (Antichrist )

When in doubt, watch MST3k

Girl in bikini: “Are you coming or do I swim alone?”
Crow: “Yes and yes.”

LOOK OUT FOR SNAKES!

Obscure by even MST3K standards.

512 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:20:56am
513 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:20:59am

re: #509 Sol Berdinowitz

If they had been in a position to defend themselves, etc…

/

What is your point? Never defend always surrender?

514 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:21:58am

re: #505 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That is absolutely not true. Cops go through far, far, far, far more training than even above-average CCW holders. And they have living experience.

That is one of my ongoing points of discussion. If you want to defend your own home and family with a gun, that is your choice.

But if you wnt to defend yourself or others in a crowded public place, especially one in panic at the sound of gunshots, you had better be well trained, experienced, posess nerves of steel, good situational awareness and a sound sense of judgement or you are likely to make things even worse.

515 lawhawk  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:22:28am

Gah, just went to Taitz’s website and she’s got what appears to be her press release about today’s ruling. In it, she’s complaining that 5 justices never saw/heard the case, continues rambling about RICO and racketeering, etc.

Never mind the Rule of Four or court procedures. It’s an idiot’s delight.

516 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:23:02am

re: #513 Political Atheist

What is your point? Never defend always surrender?

Never leave home unarmed, if you do, expect to be shot. That is the new NRA idea for America, time we started living up to it.

/

517 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:23:42am

re: #508 Vicious Babushka

Other 5 of Babushka’s Top 10

6. Monty Python’s Holy Grail
7. Airplane!
8. It’s a Mad Mad Mad Mad World
9. The Producers (original with Zero Mostel & Gene Wilder)
10. Robin Hood: Men in Tights

I’d have to figure out someway to include The Naked Gun in my top 10

518 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:23:57am

re: #511 Mattand

LOOK OUT FOR SNAKES!

Obscure by even MST3K standards.

Eegah!

519 Bulworth  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:24:10am

re: #515 lawhawk

Gah, just went to Taitz’s website and she’s got what appears to be her press release about today’s ruling. In it, she’s complaining that 5 justices never saw/heard the case, continues rambling about RICO and racketeering, etc.

Never mind the Rule of Four or court procedures. It’s an idiot’s delight.

I sure hope Orly gets to speak and rouse the clown crowd at CPAC. WHERE’s THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!

520 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:24:24am

re: #516 Sol Berdinowitz

Never leave home unarmed, if you do, expect to be shot. That is the new NRA idea for America, time we started living up to it.

/

Leave home? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!?!
//

521 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:24:35am

re: #512 Lidane

I was like, all boycotting Macy’s because of Trump but then I got a $100 Macy’s gift card for completing a project.

A bunch of layers above me & everyone else who did actual work on this project, some corporate exec is getting a million-dollar bonus.

I’ll spend the card at Macy’s just not on any Trump shit.

522 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:24:50am

re: #495 kirkspencer

Umm, actually, the car jacking was not stopped by a gun, or even the person using the gun. The guy got away with the car. He was caught later by police.

The real point is he is alive and unhurt. I don’t give a crap about the property. Compare that result to OC this morning. Multiple unarmed dead victims. Too damn bad they had no way to fight or escape.

523 kirkspencer  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:26:10am

re: #503 Vicious Babushka

Babushka’s Top 5 Greatest Comedies Ever!

1. Blazing Saddles
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Monty Python’s Life of Brian
4. Spaceballs
5. History of the World, Part I

No, sorry, gotta disagree. If you’ve got to stick to Mel, Young Frankenstein bumps all but number one. And you’ve not given space for PeeWee’s Big Adventure or the Muppet Movie, or Arsenic and Old Lace. Keaton’s The General should always be in the top five (though it’s obviously never going to get verbal pop references).

No, I’ll agree with number one. But the rest, faugh. pshaw, even.

524 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:26:16am

re: #520 Kragar (Antichrist )

Leave home? ARE YOU FUCKING INSANE?!?!
//

And if you stay home, make sure you have sufficient 30-round clips to ward off a home invasion by crazed minority drug gangs.

525 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:28:05am

re: #523 kirkspencer

No, sorry, gotta disagree. If you’ve got to stick to Mel, Young Frankenstein bumps all but number one. And you’ve not given space for PeeWee’s Big Adventure or the Muppet Movie, or Arsenic and Old Lace. Keaton’s The General should always be in the top five (though it’s obviously never going to get verbal pop references).

No, I’ll agree with number one. But the rest, faugh. pshaw, even.

List is entirely subjective. Make your own list.

Mel rulez, but YF isn’t one of my favorites.

526 Kragar (Antichrist )  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:28:22am

re: #524 Sol Berdinowitz

And if you stay home, make sure you have sufficient 30-round clips to ward off a home invasion by crazed minority drug gangs.

I was doing fine till the guy in the hockey mask and loincloth showed up and told me to just walk away.

527 Lidane  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:28:24am

Because when I look for dating advice, I look to the Schlafly family:

*cough*

528 wrenchwench  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:31:31am

Gas heater wouldn’t go on. Get ladder out, go waaaay up, press reset button. Still nothing. Notice pilot light is out. Go through lighting procedure. Still nothing. Go way up and press reset button again. Nope. Notice wire to thermostat is broken (probably during pilot lighting procedure). Peel a bit of wire and reattach. Still nothing. Try reset button again? No, I notice that after I relit the pilot light, I forgot to turn the knob to ‘on’. Now I have heat! Still have to put the ladder away.

529 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:31:44am

re: #503 Vicious Babushka

Babushka’s Top 5 Greatest Comedies Ever!

1. Blazing Saddles
2. The Big Lebowski
3. Monty Python’s Life of Brian
4. Spaceballs
5. History of the World, Part I

6. Slap Shot!

530 klys  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:32:44am

re: #528 wrenchwench

One of my first dates with my husband involved relighting the pilot light on his water heater. (Not a euphemism.)

531 HappyWarrior  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:35:22am

re: #527 Lidane

Because when I look for dating advice, I look to the Schlafly family:

*cough*

Yeah stupid women demanding they be treated as a man’s equal. Who do they think they are! Seriously Phyills Schlafry and her family of kooks should have lost their fifteen minutes of fame almost a half century ago. How they go on is really a testament to how the right wing will buy the bullshit of anyone who says what they want to hear.

532 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:40:01am

re: #469 Political Atheist

If only we had a good study on the matter. But we don’t, so we don’t really know how that plays out. All the existing studies have been done by advocates-From pro gun CATO to anti gun HCI. More loyal to the cause than the facts. But it’s really easy to find instances of car jacking stopped by a gun. I found a bunch where off duty cops intervened successfully. An off duty cop is pragmatically the same as a reasonably well trained CCW civilian.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Question is, why did this guy shoot unarmed people?

Those instances are good arguments to arm cops, but not to arm anyone else.

533 allegro  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 10:47:51am

re: #523 kirkspencer

If you’ve got to stick to Mel, Young Frankenstein bumps all but number one.

My list puts that one at #1. I’d also add Animal House and Zorro: The Gay Blade.

534 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:04:19am

re: #532 b_sharp

No, an off duty cop is same as a trained up CCW holder, except he may be more likely to make an arrest rather than just call 911 if the bad guy runs off. In the car they are really similar circumstances. The bad guy has the advantage-benefit of surprise. The off duty cop has to work the moment like anyone else.

535 Political Atheist  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:05:13am

re: #532 b_sharp

Oh and lets not forget expert security guards, uniformed or not. we want those guys too right?

536 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:08:57am

re: #534 Political Atheist

No, an off duty cop is same as a trained up CCW holder, except he may be more likely to make an arrest rather than just call 911 if the bad guy runs off

What the hell? How many CCW holders have the same level of training as cops? A tiny goddamn percentage.

I feel like I must be misunderstanding you here.

537 Gus  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:11:38am

re: #534 Political Atheist

No, an off duty cop is same as a trained up CCW holder, except he may be more likely to make an arrest rather than just call 911 if the bad guy runs off. In the car they are really similar circumstances. The bad guy has the advantage-benefit of surprise. The off duty cop has to work the moment like anyone else.

This might be an exaggeration but I agree with your overall point. When faced with an armed gunman, having a handgun would be optimal. Does that mean everyone should be required to walk around with a handgun? No. I believe in the right for people to obtain a CCW. At the same time I agree that a state or city also has a right to regulate CCW. If one so desires to have a CCW and it is not allowed in their city or state than the obvious choice it to move to a city or state that allows CCWs.

538 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:16:14am

re: #473 Sol Berdinowitz

Counter-question: Why were the people he shot unarmed?

re: #522 Political Atheist

The real point is he is alive and unhurt. I don’t give a crap about the property. Compare that result to OC this morning. Multiple unarmed dead victims. Too damn bad they had no way to fight or escape.

Even if they had guns in their cars, it’s highly doubtful that would have helped, being caught by surprise and all.

539 efuseakay  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:17:29am

re: #534 Political Atheist

No, an off duty cop is same as a trained up CCW holder, except he may be more likely to make an arrest rather than just call 911 if the bad guy runs off. In the car they are really similar circumstances. The bad guy has the advantage-benefit of surprise. The off duty cop has to work the moment like anyone else.

Cops have far more training than your typical CCW citizen.

540 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:18:03am

re: #539 efuseakay

Cops have far more training than your typical CCW citizen.

Or even your above-average, highly trained citizen. Cops have on-the-job experience, which is a completely different world, too.

541 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:23:10am

re: #534 Political Atheist

No, an off duty cop is same as a trained up CCW holder, except he may be more likely to make an arrest rather than just call 911 if the bad guy runs off. In the car they are really similar circumstances. The bad guy has the advantage-benefit of surprise. The off duty cop has to work the moment like anyone else.

In your google list only one instance was a prevention. In the other instances the thieves got away with the vehicle, so if you’re saying having a gun prevents the theft it isn’t borne out. In one of those instances the thief was shot, but it doesn’t look like that had an impact on his eventual arrest.

I have a question that you may have information on: What is the ratio of prevented hijackings with a gun to those without a gun? If we have say, 10 instances where a hijacking was prevented in some way, how many were prevented by a driver/passenger using a gun and how many were prevented by a driver/passenger not using a gun?

If you can’t answer that, then your argument tells us nothing. If you can answer that then your point will have real substance.

542 b_sharp  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 11:23:26am

re: #535 Political Atheist

Oh and lets not forget expert security guards, uniformed or not. we want those guys too right?

I would say so.

543 Kronocide  Tue, Feb 19, 2013 4:41:49pm

re: #60 EdDantes

Hagel will be confirmed despite being a moron. I would like to know what happened in Benghazi. Pleas for help and no one heard them.

If no one heard them, how do you know they cried for help?

544 labman57  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:59:00pm

Irony — many of the same members of Congress who have been hypercritical of Hagel, negatively speculating on his worthiness to serve as Secretary of Defense … still sing the praises of Rumsfeld and his cronies from the Bush/Cheney regime.

This is despite the overwhelming evidence that the Bush Administration deliberately conned Congress and the American people into supporting an invasion of a foreign nation over phantom WMDs, but actually were instigating hostilities in the name of war profiteering.


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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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