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1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 1:59:41pm

Say what you will, but at least the horse was using the crosswalk.

2 Destro  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:02:57pm

After dealing with Napoleon’s and Hitler’s legions and their own Stalin what’s a few tons from space going to do to Russians? Nothing, that’s what.

3 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:03:20pm

TAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNK!

4 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:04:29pm

re: #1 Kragar (Antichrist )

Say what you will, but at least the horse was using the crosswalk.

Speaking of following traffic laws, I notice that the wrestler protege of wingnut stereotype “Zeb Colter” was busted yesterday:

WWE STAR JACK SWAGGER ARRESTED for DUI & Pot

Oh, and WND has picked up on the Beckian’s outrage over “Zeb”


WWE DEBUTS RACIST ‘TEA PARTY’ WRESTLER

A tea partier…. who loves pot.

I have a hard time telling reality from fiction these days.

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:06:54pm

re: #4 freetoken

And speaking of someone who could use a little pot…

Erik Rush Warns Conservative Leaders Secretly Support the Imminent Obama Dictatorship

Conservative columnist Erik Rush has been warning over and over again that President Obama and his Democratic (and Chinese) allies are bent on creating a one-party, anti-Christian, communist state. But as we learn in Rush’s latest column, the leaders of the Republican Party support the looming Obama dictatorship as well!

Leaving aside for the moment the likelihood that parties and party politics in America will become moot within the next few years (owing to the emergence of a single party or the country’s dissolution into civil war), conservatives and libertarians are finding themselves at an unpleasant crossroads. While some observers gave up on the leadership of the Republican Party long ago, it is now becoming apparent to rank-and-file Republicans that the GOP leadership and its prominent operatives are wholly complicit in the fundamental transformation of America.

6 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:09:18pm

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

And speaking of someone who could use a little pot…

Erik Rush Warns Conservative Leaders Secretly Support the Imminent Obama Dictatorship

YOU CAN’T TRUST THE REST OF THEM, SEND ME MONEY!

That’s all I hear and read anymore. The whole movement is a scam, a way to extract the last few rage-cents from the idiot fringe.

7 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:09:56pm

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

And speaking of someone who could use a little pot…

Erik Rush Warns Conservative Leaders Secretly Support the Imminent Obama Dictatorship

Reality is such a tricky concept.

8 stabby  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:10:32pm

That was AWESOME!

9 Mattand  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:11:39pm

re: #3 klys

TAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNK!

Where’s Zoey with a Molotov when you really need her?

10 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:12:43pm

re: #9 Mattand

Where’s a committee member to sign the dissertation paperwork when you need him?

/grouch

11 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:14:22pm

re: #10 klys

Where’s a committee member to sign the dissertation paperwork when you need him?

/grouch

It Is Written that the hardest part of getting a PhD is collapsing the waveform of the four (ish) professors into the same location at the same time for more than five minutes.

12 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:14:24pm

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

And speaking of someone who could use a little pot…

Erik Rush Warns Conservative Leaders Secretly Support the Imminent Obama Dictatorship

Clearly Dick and ffl Bush are gunning for a high spot in the coming communist dictatorship.

13 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:15:01pm

re: #11 erik_t

It Is Written that the hardest part of getting a PhD is collapsing the waveform of the four (ish) professors into the same location at the same time for more than five minutes.

It took two days to get my defense scheduled. That was considered quick.

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:16:00pm
15 stabby  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:17:00pm
16 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:17:17pm

re: #13 klys

It took two days to get my defense scheduled. That was considered quick.

Shit, my group usually ran weeks if we were lucky.

17 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:19:38pm

re: #16 erik_t

Shit, my group usually ran weeks if we were lucky.

I scheduled almost two months in advance, had a target week, and worked backwards from the person with the most restrictive schedule. Who is the one I can’t find.

Probably the most remarkable part is that I was able to track him down in his office two days in a row.

Of course, now I need his signature (certifying receipt of my dissertation draft) and he is nowhere to be found.

18 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:20:21pm

re: #17 klys

Professors should have ankle monitors. I’m not even joking.

19 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:25:46pm

re: #7 klys

Reality is such a tricky concept.

That’s what unbridled paranoia looks like, right there.

20 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:29:41pm

Via Balloon Juice, we learn Soledad O’Brien is heading out of CNN:

The source added, “Soledad is talented at producing in-depth, serious pieces of journalism, and is a tough interviewer. That doesn’t seem to fit the direction the network is going.”

Ponder that paragraph carefully.

21 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:31:07pm

re: #20 Bulworth

Via Balloon Juice,

I read their stuff for a while, but for the last few weeks the last front page post I’ve seen is from 7 Feb.

What gives?

22 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:33:38pm

re: #20 Bulworth

CNN sees that Fox is weak and wants to move in that territory and be Fox-light, not so obviously stupid and gratingly obvious, but still shittastic.

23 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:35:07pm

re: #21 erik_t

Hmmm. There have been new posts, such as this one. I think their site was rebooted in some fashion recently.

24 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:35:48pm

re: #23 Bulworth

I had things cached funny. All better now.

Happened on both my workstation and my laptop, though. In multiple browsers. Weird-ass stuff.

25 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:36:39pm

re: #20 Bulworth

Via Balloon Juice, we learn Soledad O’Brien is heading out of CNN:

Ponder that paragraph carefully.

I’m suspicious of the quote, myself. Oh, I know that’s what’s in the NY Post article but I’m still suspicious. Who’d they get it from, Ms. O’Brien?

26 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:40:19pm
27 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:40:48pm

If they catch me at the border I’ve got visas in my name, bitches!

/i’m fly like paper

28 Bulworth  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:41:11pm

re: #25 kirkspencer

Could be. Sounds a little self-serving, it does.

Not that cable “news” has any real value anyway, other than covering, i.e. reporting, on real actual, but rare news like elections, hurricanes and cheerleading for the next war.

29 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:44:25pm

re: #27 Why I Never!

[Embedded content]

If they catch me at the border I’ve got visas in my name, bitches!

/i’m fly like paper

No one on the corner has white like us :)

30 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:48:32pm

re: #27 Why I Never!

i’m fly like paper

You have dead flies sticking to your face??

31 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:50:18pm

re: #30 sattv4u2

i’m fly like paper

You have dead flies sticking to your face??

No! LIVING flies. The insect dead are of no value to me.

32 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:51:04pm

re: #31 Jimmah The Unacceptable

Yes what of it? It’s what attracted me to her in the first place!

Jimmah Froggy The Unacceptable

(btw ,, go sleep it off)

33 sattv4u2  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:52:56pm

bbl

34 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:54:10pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

Jimmah Froggy The Unacceptable

(btw ,, go sleep it off)

Ice is constantly telling me I’m amphibious, because Scotland is so wet. (Nearly died a few times in New York from the heat/lack of rain).

35 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:56:34pm

Comparing calculated Arctic sea ice thickness from last year (for the 25th of Feb):
Image: ict2012022718_2012022500_035_arcticict.001.gif
versus this year:
Image: arcticictnowcast.gif

seems to illustrate that for north of Alaska, Hudson Bay, and NE of Baffin island the sea ice is thinner this year. Only place were it is thicker is just north off of eastern Siberia.

36 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:56:35pm

I have discovered the creepiest movie.

Ever.

37 simoom  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:56:36pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

38 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:57:25pm

What right-wing racism? (this shmuck has over 9,000 followers!)

39 Eclectic Cyborg  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:58:16pm

Six degrees of Friends of Hamas?

40 The Mountain That Blogs  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:58:18pm

re: #38 Vicious Babushka

Isn’t the whole point of TGDN to mutually follow lots of people so they will be immune to the Twitter Gulag?

41 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 2:59:17pm

re: #37 simoom

It’s not a good day for the Breitbrats. I bet there’s steam shooting out of their ears.

42 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:00:34pm

re: #40 The Mountain That Blogs

Isn’t the whole point of TGDN to mutually follow lots of people so they will be immune to the Twitter Gulag?

I noticed at first that some of the very overt white supremacist Twitter accounts had only a few followers but they were all retweeting each other and linking to the same white supremacist sites, however their seeds fell in fertile soil.

43 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:02:33pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

It’s not a good day for the Breitbrats. I bet there’s steam shooting out of their ears.

They should break all their links again. That would solve the problem.

44 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:03:23pm

I see that the Atlantic Wire ran with a Zeb Colter outrage story:

The WWE’s Tea Party Wrestler Is Making Conservatives Hit the Mat

Unfortunately with the DUI arrest last night of Zeb’s protege WWE will probably deep six the whole gimmick and we won’t be able to see where they planned to run with it.

45 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:03:48pm

Since the SCOTUS smackdown, the Birthermania at TGDN has gotten even more hysterical, if that’s even possible.

46 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:05:09pm

re: #45 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of Kenya, I see that Kenya held their first televised Presidential Debate the other day. It’s only their fourth election in a few decades, and if something goes wrong I bet the TGDN crowd will jump on it.

47 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:05:57pm

re: #46 freetoken

Speaking of Kenya, I see that Kenya held their first televised Presidential Debate the other day. It’s only their fourth election in a few decades, and if something goes wrong I bet the TGDN crowd will jump on it.

They couldn’t find Kenya on a map if it was tattooed on their ass cheeks.

48 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:07:54pm

re: #31 Jimmah The Unacceptable

No! LIVING flies. The insect dead are of no value to me.

OK, this comment is exactly why I married Jimmah— he cracks me up.

49 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:09:57pm

re: #44 freetoken

I see that the Atlantic Wire ran with a Zeb Colter outrage story:

The WWE’s Tea Party Wrestler Is Making Conservatives Hit the Mat

Unfortunately with the DUI arrest last night of Zeb’s protege WWE will probably deep six the whole gimmick and we won’t be able to see where they planned to run with it.

This may work both ways. Romney 2012 ran somewhat as a pro wrestling heel, and the 2016 GOP nominee may go further in that direction.

50 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:11:35pm

There is no more wall between reality and fiction.

51 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:12:22pm

the tea party is about

…to decisively smash its face into the enemy’s unsuspecting fist

52 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:12:59pm

re: #31 Jimmah The Unacceptable

No! LIVING flies. The insect dead are of no value to me.

just call me Lord of the Files

53 erik_t  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:13:45pm

re: #51 engineer cat

the tea party is about

…to decisively smash its face into the enemy’s unsuspecting fist

They’re such unbelievable blockheads that it might actually work.

/

54 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:16:09pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Here’s a few more who are Friends of Hamas according to Pollak logic (claiming that Hariri somehow makes Atlantic Council a FoH for Hagel purposes):

As a regular contributor to News Corps’ Fox News, none other than Pamela Gellar is a friend of Hamas.

Northrop Grumman, come on down, you’re a Friend of Hamas when you help build Iron Dome system components that are designed to intercept Hamas mortars, rockets, and missiles.

Kirkland and Ellis, a huge law firm; you’re a Friend of Hamas. That’s going to be bad news for K&E lawyers (and former UN Ambassador) John Bolton as well as Robert Bork and Ken Starr.

Oh, and every business interest is tied to FoH since the US Chamber of Commerce is a supporter of Atlantic Council.

It’s a conspiracy, I tell you. /

55 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:16:52pm

Well, yes. Hillary is highly educated and has more than two brain cells to rub together. She’s also got more foreign policy expereince than just seeing Russia from her house. =P

56 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:17:40pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Nope. They’re probably ecstatic over the traffic to their sites. No such thing as bad publicity in their distorted worldview.

57 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:18:02pm

re: #55 Lidane

Well, yes. Hillary is highly educated and has more than two brain cells to rub together. She’s also got more foreign policy expereince than just seeing Russia from her house. =P

The thought of a Clinton-Palin presidential debate made me laugh out loud.

58 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:18:32pm

re: #56 lawhawk

Nope. They’re probably ecstatic over the traffic to their sites. No such thing as bad publicity in their distorted worldview.

True, but they’re also very vain, vindictive people. They’re undoubtedly plotting how to get even right this moment.

59 HoosierHoops  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:18:57pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Something great is happening here in Oklahoma. It’s been raining all day and trust me, we really need rain here.
Congrads to Ice for her new legal status in Scotland. Just wonderful news.
I suppose Jimmy can now let her out of the cellar. :)

60 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:20:08pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

True, but they’re also very vain, vindictive people. They’re undoubtedly plotting how to get even right this moment.

Doubling down on the derp and figuring out their next line of smears.

61 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:21:14pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

Yeah, most of the Central US has been hit with a very deep and prolonged drought. Every bit of rain helps, especially to recharge aquifers.

62 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:21:18pm

re: #57 EPR-radar

The thought of a Clinton-Palin presidential debate made me laugh out loud.

It would be like an NFL team going up against a Pop Warner team. Total mismatch.

63 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:22:54pm

Ugh. Bad back acting up on me today. Waah. Ow.

64 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:24:58pm

Sarah Palin is the ONLY GOP woman that can

i am going to take a few seconds to recollect how we were given fair warning that obama was going to lose in a landslide in 2012

65 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:28:12pm

re: #64 engineer cat

Sarah Palin is the ONLY GOP woman that can

i am going to take a few seconds to recollect how we were given fair warning that obama was going to lose in a landslide in 2012

Obama vs. Gene Eric Republican in 2012 could easily have lost.

Fortunately, the GOP primaries tend to be hard these days for generic Republicans (e.g., Huntsman).

Romney was a truly awful candidate. As I recall, whenever he campaigned in a state for the general election, his poll numbers in that state actually went down.

66 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:29:21pm
67 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:30:01pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Obama vs. Gene Eric Republican in 2012 could easily have lost.

Fortunately, the GOP primaries tend to be hard these days for generic Republicans (e.g., Huntsman).

Romney was a truly awful candidate. As I recall, whenever he campaigned in a state for the general election, his poll numbers in that state actually went down.

i never thought al gore would end up having a competitor for Worst Campaigner of the past 50 years

68 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:30:17pm

re: #62 Lidane

It would be like an NFL team going up against a Pop Warner team. Total mismatch.

It’d be like Jordan’s Bulls vs. the Washington Generals.

69 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:30:19pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Something great is happening here in Oklahoma. It’s been raining all day and trust me, we really need rain here.
Congrads to Ice for her new legal status in Scotland. Just wonderful news.
I suppose Jimmy can now let her out of the cellar. :)

Hey cutie! How are you and Winston?

70 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:31:16pm

we need to go to a 12 step program to cure us of this serious maven dependency

71 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:31:45pm

re: #65 EPR-radar

Romney was a truly awful candidate. As I recall, whenever he campaigned in a state for the general election, his poll numbers in that state actually went down.

Especially when he pointed out that the trees were not of the right height.

72 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:33:02pm

I see that Rick Scott’s decision to go with the Medicaid expansion is causing kittens to be born all over the wingnut-sphere.

The atavists are drowning in their own despair.

73 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:33:11pm

Oh geez. Coultergeist is bleating about the Latino vote. I’d link to it, but it goes to Whirled Nuts Drooly and I don’t want to give them the traffic.

An excerpt of her fail:

If Republicans think we can have mass amnesty for millions of government-dependent immigrants and become a more libertarian country, they’re crazy.

This isn’t because of a failure to “reach out.” Republicans can’t beat Democrats at the government-assistance game. From single mothers to corporate subsidy-takers, they want your money, and the Democrats promise to give it to them.

Instead of trying to compete with the ethnic lobbies, welfare schemes and racialized politics of the Democrats, perhaps Republicans should allow our immigration system to admit more immigrants who won’t immediately go on government assistance, as 60 percent of new immigrants do now.

Putting 12 million to 20 million of them on a “path to citizenship” won’t make them like Republicans; it will make Republicans lose.

Someone remind me again how the GOP’s problem is its messaging, not its message.

74 HoosierHoops  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:33:45pm

re: #61 lawhawk

Yeah, most of the Central US has been hit with a very deep and prolonged drought. Every bit of rain helps, especially to recharge aquifers.

Yes It’s been very bad here for years..It’s killing the farmers and ranchers.
About a year or two ago I was sitting at the Lodge with the boys and we were watching the weather report on the TV and everybody was talking about how bad the drought is and way down at the end of bar was this old farmer sitting alone and all of the sudden to speaks up and said People that don’t believe in Climate change are full of shit.
I was stunned, Well if anybody knows the weather it’s an old farmer.

75 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:33:51pm

To Gus:

A genuine apology from me about revealing something that was in a private email. I did cross over the line and I’m really sorry. It was shitty.

About the other stuff that led up to it, my opinion hasn’t changed, but what the fuck, we can agree to disagree.

76 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:34:04pm

re: #73 Lidane

Is it coincidence that WWE named its latest heel “Zeb Colter”?

77 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:36:41pm

re: #74 HoosierHoops

Farmers who get heavily into magical thinking on relevant subjects like climate tend to starve when reality fails to comply.

78 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:36:41pm

Slow and Sure is winning this race:

Obama considers weighing in on gay marriage case

The Obama administration is quietly considering urging the Supreme Court to overturn California’s ban on gay marriage, a step that would mark a political victory for advocates of same-sex unions.

79 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:38:09pm
80 darthstar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:38:37pm

His and hers! (mine’s the yellow one)

Image: 485369_10151463603808024_158468690_n.jpg

81 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:39:09pm

I’m taking back everything nice I ever said about Jimmah, because he’s making me listen to Kraftwerk.

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:39:38pm

re: #79 Lidane

Attn right-wing media: The 2nd Amendment does not guarantee that Americans can arm themselves however they see fit

Any discussion of the 2nd Amendment starts with “A well-regulated militia…”

83 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:39:53pm

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

Especially when he pointed out that the trees were not of the right height.

the trees were not incentivized to grow to a proper height because the rampant sense of entitlement engendered by the socialist state has made the free market fairy lose her wings

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:40:47pm

re: #83 engineer cat

the trees were not incentivized to grow to a proper height because the rampant sense of entitlement engendered by the socialist state has made the free market fairy lose her wings

47% will never be able to reach the right height anyways, no matter how well they are watered. They should be encouraged to self-defoliate.

85 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:41:28pm

re: #84 Sol Berdinowitz

47% will never be able to reach the right height anyways, no matter how well they are watered.

Because these defective trees do not take responsibility for their actions.

86 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:42:24pm

re: #81 Why I Never!

I’m taking back everything nice I ever said about Jimmah, because he’s making me listen to Kraftwerk.

No it’s 8-bit Operators doing a cover of a Kraftwerk song. Have you learned nothing from me?

87 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:46:37pm

re: #47 Vicious Babushka

They couldn’t find Kenya on a map if it was tattooed on their ass cheeks.

The TGDN crowd seems to warrant the old description: “Too stupid to empty water out of a boot, even with the instructions written on the sole of the boot.”

88 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:47:01pm

re: #86 Jimmah The Unacceptable

No it’s 8-bit Operators doing a cover of a Kraftwerk song. Have you learned nothing from me?

On the contrary— I’ve learned how to spell ‘Kraftwerk’. :)

89 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:47:21pm

8-bit Operators

nerd joke or one dollar hustlers?

90 Stoatly  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:50:27pm

Just heard on 6Music that Kevin Ayers died
(and now I see Slap has a page up about him)

Decadence (his song about Nico):

91 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:50:55pm
92 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:51:18pm

re: #88 Why I Never!

On the contrary— I’ve learned how to spell ‘Kraftwerk’. :)

Then let this be the tiny acorn from which the great oak of your knowledge of European Electronica shall grow :)

93 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:52:02pm

What the hell is this nonsense? I know plenty of my liberal friends love Downton Abbey because costumed British period drama.

Idiots.

94 HoosierHoops  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:53:21pm

re: #69 Why I Never!

Hey cutie! How are you and Winston?

Hi There! Everything is going great here. Hope you and Jimmah are doing great. Make him take you to dinner to celebrate your new status.
You know months ago I lost your addy. I delete hundreds of emails daily it can be a pain. I setup a new email account to manage work and private emails.
My new email is my last name and first name at gmail. Hope to hear from you soon.

95 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:53:41pm

re: #93 Lidane

JTUD: Just The Usual Derp

96 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:53:48pm

re: #93 Lidane

What the hell is this nonsense? I know plenty of my liberal friends love this show because costumed British period drama.

Idiots.

Er, it’s a very progressive show, too. It’s even got a socialist.

97 Jimmah The Unacceptable  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:54:35pm

re: #89 engineer cat

8-bit Operators

nerd joke or one dollar hustlers?

I think they made the album on software running on a Gameboy, hence the name. They also did a beatles album as well.

98 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:55:18pm

re: #93 Lidane

What the hell is this nonsense? I know plenty of my liberal friends love this show because costumed British period drama.

Idiots.

What does British society of 100 years ago have to do with modern America save that they speak a similar language?

They had a rigid class-based society based on a priveleged landed gentry and an empire that dominated and oppressed a quarter of the Earth’s surface.

The show portrays one minor facet of that society: the “noble rich”.

99 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:56:50pm

Wingnuts are obsessed with anything with a stereotypical British accent.

100 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:59:11pm

re: #99 freetoken

Wingnuts are obsessed with anything with a stereotypical British accent.

and quite prepared to ignore 90% of the overall picture to zero in on one aspect that fits their ideology: that there are some rich people who are not greedy bastards all the time.

101 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:59:41pm
102 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 3:59:42pm

re: #98 Sol Berdinowitz

What does British society of 100 years ago have to do with modern America save that they speak a similar language?

They had a rigid class-based society based on a priveleged landed gentry and an empire that dominated and oppressed a quarter of the Earth’s surface.

The show portrays one minor facet of that society: the “noble rich”.

Described by Churchill as “Graceful as swans, and as stupid”.

103 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:00:39pm

In the last 3 months, I’ve lost between 15 and 20lbs. That is all.

104 jhrhv  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:02:24pm
105 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:03:48pm

SNOW TOTEZ DISPROVES GLOBAL WARMING LOL:

106 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:05:25pm

re: #93 Lidane

What the hell is this nonsense? I know plenty of my liberal friends love Downton Abbey because costumed British period drama.

Idiots.

Conservatives love to fantasize about “liberal heads exploding” or things being “rammed down [their] throat”. Says a lot about them.

107 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:05:30pm

re: #105 Lidane

Because all that water making the snow just comes from Baby Jesus crying about assault weapon bans and gay marriage.

108 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:05:57pm

re: #103 Kragar (Antichrist )

In the last 3 months, I’ve lost between 15 and 20lbs. That is all.

That’s awesome! Congrats!

109 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:06:08pm

re: #106 Why I Never!

Conservatives love to fantasize about “liberal heads exploding” or things being “rammed down [their] throat”. Says a lot about them.

And like most of their other theories, its complete horseshit.

110 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:06:51pm

re: #103 Kragar (Antichrist )

In the last 3 months, I’ve lost between 15 and 20lbs. That is all.

Good pounds or bad pounds?

111 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:07:04pm

This Birfer turd has been a tsunami of Derp ever since SCOTUS slapped down Orly’s case.

112 EPR-radar  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:09:03pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Good pounds or bad pounds?

Excellent question. I still vividly remember my mixed feelings about a recent episode of involuntary weight loss, given that I’ve had issues with being overweight my entire life.

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:09:27pm

re: #103 Kragar (Antichrist )

In the last 3 months, I’ve lost between 15 and 20lbs. That is all.

Did you check under the couch? That’s where I always seem to find things that I lost.

//

114 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:10:05pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

This Birfer turd has been a tsunami of Derp ever since SCOTUS slapped down Orly’s case.

Kenyan SSAN.

115 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:12:21pm

re: #103 Kragar (Antichrist )

In the last 3 months, I’ve lost between 15 and 20lbs. That is all.

that comes out to 20 to 30 dollars or so

116 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:16:27pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

This Birfer turd has been a tsunami of Derp ever since SCOTUS slapped down Orly’s case.

That guy is hilariously deranged. His entire timeline is a hoot.

117 Why I Never!  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:16:42pm

re: #94 HoosierHoops

Hi There! Everything is going great here. Hope you and Jimmah are doing great. Make him take you to dinner to celebrate your new status.
You know months ago I lost your addy. I delete hundreds of emails daily it can be a pain. I setup a new email account to manage work and private emails.
My new email is my last name and first name at gmail. Hope to hear from you soon.

I’ll email you tomorrow. :)

118 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:17:09pm

In the above video Biden says the following:

“If there’s ever a problem,” Biden said he told his wife Jill, “just walk out on the balcony here—walk out, put that double barrel shot gun and fire two blasts outside the house — I promise you whoever is coming in … You don’t need an AR-15, it’s harder to aim, it’s harder to use…Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

If AR-15’s are harder to aim and use, then that kind of undermines the argument that they should be outlawed. They can’t at the same time be more conducive to mass murder while also being harder to aim and use. The advice to his wife to go out onto the porch, to an exposed position, and then empty the two rounds from her weapon into the night also doesn’t strike me as the sanest, most tactically sound or legally defensible idea ever.

Somebody in favor of renewing the AWB should tell Biden that’s he’s not helping the cause with this argument.

119 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:18:08pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Good pounds or bad pounds?

At this point, any is good.

After not taking proper care of myself for too long, it caught up with me. Around thanksgiving, I started eating a lot healthier and paying a lot more attention to what, how much, and when I ate. Haven’t had a soda since November, eating a lot more whole grain, fresh fruits and vegetables, yogurt, and trying to restrict myself from eating meat more than once a day. I’m also not killing myself with guilt if I break my diet once or twice a week. Today was the first day I started going back to the gym, just hitting the ellipticals and rowing machines to work on cardio, weight loss, and getting my abs back in shape. I decided to risk it and hit the scales on my way out of the gym.

120 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:18:29pm

re: #93 Lidane

I just had lunch today with a group of 8 women, all Democrats, who love the show. I’m the only one who hasn’t seen it,lol. It’s another one of those moronic things conservatives “think” liberals think or do when they have no fucking idea.

That tweet was made by an idiot.

121 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:20:40pm

re: #116 Lidane

That guy is hilariously deranged. His entire timeline is a hoot.

He is the Energizer Bunny of Birfer Derp

122 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:21:29pm

re: #120 A Mom Anon

I just had lunch today with a group of 8 women, all Democrats, who love the show. I’m the only one who hasn’t seen it,lol. It’s another one of those moronic things conservatives “think” liberals think or do when they have no fucking idea.

That tweet was made by an idiot.

Commiecrat wife likes it. I watched it once—thought it shallow vs “Upstairs, Downstairs”.

123 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:21:53pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

Hey, could you take a look at this timeline?

[Link: twitter.com…]

Curious what you think (gun arguments aside) of what she says re, women more likely to wind up in jail if they shoot would-be rapists. I hadn’t thought of that angle…

124 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:25:47pm

re: #123 Interesting Times

Hey, could you take a look at this timeline?

[Link: twitter.com…]

Curious what you think (gun arguments aside) of what she says re, women more likely to wind up in jail if they shoot would-be rapists. I hadn’t thought of that angle…

Her timeline depresses me because of the truth of what she says and how few of the people who really need to hear it will listen.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:26:16pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

In the above video Biden says the following:

If AR-15’s are harder to aim and use, then that kind of undermines the argument that they should be outlawed. They can’t at the same time be more conducive to mass murder while also being harder to aim and use. The advice to his wife to go out onto the porch, to an exposed position, and then empty the two rounds from her weapon into the night also doesn’t strike me as the sanest, most tactically sound or legally defensible idea ever.

Somebody in favor of renewing the AWB should tell Biden that’s he’s not helping the cause with this argument.

No shit. I agree with a shotgun, but a double-barrel is even more awkward in a dark or stressful situation than the AR-15. Besides, a pump-action shotgun is a deterrent just by racking the slide. That sound is internationally translated as “Kiss your ass goodbye.”

126 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:28:02pm

America’s aging infrastructure:

Busted San Diego Water Pipe Installed When Taft Was President

A broken water line near Oak Park shuts down a major road. Another water main break clogs traffic in Point Loma. A busted pipe in the East Village backs up freeway commuters coming into downtown. That’s three big breaks in less than a week.

City Councilman Mark Kersey, who’s heading up the newly-formed Infrastructure Committee, said the majority of breaks occur in cast iron pipes that make up less than 10 percent of the city’s roughly 3,200 miles of water mains. And Kersey said those pipes, like the one that broke in the East Village, are really old.

“The water main that broke today is over 100 years old. It was installed when William Howard Taft was president,” he said. “And it’s, quite frankly, just in need of being replaced.”

[…]

Too many people today are so far removed from the requirements modernity has upon it by the physical universe. Very basic issues like water - potable, and sewage - are what separate us from the pre-modern society. Much of our infrastructure is now so old that replacement is upon us… but will we fund it?

127 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:29:06pm

re: #124 klys

Wasn’t there a case not long ago where a woman fired a warning shot to try to stop her violent husband and she went to prison? She didn’t even hit anyone, and the history of domestic violence in the home wasn’t considered a just reason. I think the husband was actually in the home and wasn’t supposed to be. I wish I could remember where it happened.

128 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:29:33pm

re: #125 Targetpractice

No shit. I agree with a shotgun, but a double-barrel is even more awkward in a dark or stressful situation than the AR-15. Besides, a pump-action shotgun is a deterrent just by racking the slide. That sound is internationally translated as “Kiss your ass goodbye.”

When all else seems inadequate, there’s always a Saiga 12 with a 20 round drum.

129 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:30:13pm

Someone made a mod for Skyrim which puts more beehives around the various cities and the comments are hilarious.

“Are these Africanized bees or standard European domestic bees?”

“NOT THE BEES!!!” *multiple variants on this theme

“Nicholas Cage does not approve of this mod.”

130 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:30:50pm

re: #127 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a case not long ago where a woman fired a warning shot to try to stop her violent husband and she went to prison? She didn’t even hit anyone, and the history of domestic violence in the home wasn’t considered a just reason. I think the husband was actually in the home and wasn’t supposed to be. I wish I could remember where it happened.

Where else? Flori-duh:

131 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:31:27pm

re: #123 Interesting Times

Hey, could you take a look at this timeline?

[Link: twitter.com…]

Curious what you think (gun arguments aside) of what she says re, women more likely to wind up in jail if they shoot would-be rapists. I hadn’t thought of that angle…

Well the argument goes for all Stand Your Ground defenses, so women shouldn’t be “more” likely to go to jail than a man, except inasmuch as there’s still some vestigial bias against women endemic to the system. If there’s no ability to prove intent to rape then there’s equally no ability to prove intent to cause bodily harm against a male shooter, except in both cases for the presence of any weapons on the person shot, their own prior history, etc.

The Marissa Alexander case was a travesty, but more than anything it demonstrates exactly how bad an idea it is to fire off a “warning shot.”

132 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:31:46pm

re: #127 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a case not long ago where a woman fired a warning shot to try to stop her violent husband and she went to prison? She didn’t even hit anyone, and the history of domestic violence in the home wasn’t considered a just reason. I think the husband was actually in the home and wasn’t supposed to be. I wish I could remember where it happened.

Florida—The Stand Your Ground State

[Link: www.cbsnews.com…]

133 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:32:43pm

re: #127 A Mom Anon

Wasn’t there a case not long ago where a woman fired a warning shot to try to stop her violent husband and she went to prison? She didn’t even hit anyone, and the history of domestic violence in the home wasn’t considered a just reason. I think the husband was actually in the home and wasn’t supposed to be. I wish I could remember where it happened.

Twas in Florida last year, pretty much lost in all the coverage of the Martin case. Woman had gotten a restraining order against hubby for years of physical abuse, but chosen to try to patch things up and so invited him to visit her. He got violent while there, so she fled to her car to get her gun, since the keys were in the kitchen and he was between her and them. She brandished the gun and threatened to shoot him, but he was prepared to attack her while even facing down a gun. She fired a warning shot, and he beat feet with their kids in tow. Went to the cops and reported her for discharging the gun in the presence of the kids. Judge sentenced her to 20 years on the excuse that she could have fled from the garage, even though hubby admitted on the stand that the garage door was broken and he knew there was no exit between him and her.

134 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:33:30pm

re: #130 Interesting Times

That’s the one I was thinking of. Thanks.

135 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:35:00pm

re: #128 Decatur Deb

When all else seems inadequate, there’s always a Saiga 12 with a 20 round drum.

Not for long.

Try finding a Kel-Tec PMR 30 for less than 300% of the retail price. The craziness has people snatching up guns that are likely to end up on the ban list in a couple of years.

136 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:35:43pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Well the argument goes for all Stand Your Ground defenses, so women shouldn’t be “more” likely to go to jail than a man, except inasmuch as there’s still some vestigial bias against women endemic to the system. If there’s no ability to prove intent to rape then there’s equally no ability to prove intent to cause bodily harm against a male shooter, except in both cases for the presence of any weapons on the person shot, their own prior history, etc.

The Marissa Alexander case was a travesty, but more than anything it demonstrates exactly how bad an idea it is to fire off a “warning shot.”

If it anything, it demonstrates that we as a society take more issue with discharging a firearm with the intent to avoid a fatality than it does actually killing a person. If she’d killed hubby, she probably would have had an easier time defending herself in court.

137 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:36:30pm

What right wing racism?

138 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:37:24pm

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

Not for long.

Try finding a Kel-Tec PMR 30 for less than 300% of the retail price. The craziness has people snatching up guns that are likely to end up on the ban list in a couple of years.

Not going to be much of a banned list. (I just saw an AK 70 round drum at a local flea market for $450, 30 round bananas were $70 ea.)

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:38:39pm

Liberals are flipping out over Downton Abbey? Wut lol.

140 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:40:05pm

Stand your ground laws mean one thing.

Kill the other guy so you can make up any story you like.

141 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:40:26pm

re: #131 goddamnedfrank

Well the argument goes for all Stand Your Ground defenses, so women shouldn’t be “more” likely to go to jail than a man, except inasmuch as there’s still some vestigial bias against women endemic to the system. If there’s no ability to prove intent to rape then there’s equally no ability to prove intent to cause bodily harm against a male shooter, except in both cases for the presence of any weapons on the person shot, their own prior history, etc.

The Marissa Alexander case was a travesty, but more than anything it demonstrates exactly how bad an idea it is to fire off a “warning shot.”

Except - a rather key point - she also had a restraining order against the husband that alleged (and apparently included justification for) claims of physical assault aka domestic violence.

Yes, this particular case pisses me off. The black woman who had a documented fear for her life doesn’t get to claim “stand your ground” against a known attacker in her own apartment.

142 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:40:28pm
143 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:40:41pm

re: #122 Decatur Deb

That’s what I kinda thought of when they were telling me about the show. I still don’t get it,lol, but I don’t watch alot of TV in the first place.

144 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:40:49pm

Successful TV Drama Causes ‘Progressive’

any hint of what they are imagining is the reason?

145 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:41:20pm

re: #144 engineer cat

Successful TV Drama Causes ‘Progressive’

any hint of what they are imagining is the reason?

Rich people.

146 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:42:29pm

Looking at the recent know-nothing articles at NRO regarding climate change I wonder exactly what Rich Lowry, who was noticed earlier today trying to back away from the Friends-of-Hamas-derp in which he finds himself with his rag, is trying to accomplish at NR/NRO.

It’s no more substantial than Townhall, no fundamentally less racist than Takimag (except explicitly racist comments are removed, other than from the archives).

The entire segment of Americana known as “conservatism” is collapsing under the weight of it’s tarnished history.

No wonder there is a neo-neo-libertarian movement trying to redefine itself. And it is also clear that most 20-somethings today are not interested at all in carrying the water for their racist and ignorant grandparents.

147 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:42:58pm

‘Religious Liberty’ Panelist: Compromise is of the Devil

The ADF’s Fiedorek focused on the “great peril” to religious liberty posed by the “agenda to expand sexual liberty and redefine marriage.” She said in the conflict between sexual liberty and religious liberty, “people of faith” are “the ones being marginalized.” She recounted a litany of such “persecution,” including now-familiar stories of a New Mexico photographer and a Colorado baker who were penalized under state anti-discrimination laws when they declined to serve same-sex couples celebrating commitment ceremonies. Fiedorek compared cases in which businesses are required not to discriminate against gay couples to requiring an African American photographer to take pictures at a KKK event or a Jewish baker to create a cake decorated with a swastika. She called it “particularly atrocious” that Catholic social service agencies were being required to abide by anti-discrimination ordinances – and were being “forced” to close. She began and closed her presentation with quotes from the movie Chariots of Fire, ending with one that includes, “Don’t compromise. Compromise is a language of the devil.”

148 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:43:06pm

re: #145 Kragar (Antichrist )

Rich people.

Without rich people, Shakespeare is a grave digger and an Egyptian asp-wrangler.

149 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:45:37pm

re: #136 Targetpractice

If it anything, it demonstrates that we as a society take more issue with discharging a firearm with the intent to avoid a fatality than it does actually killing a person.

Because in spite of what one’s intentions are, discharging a firearm is inherently dangerous. Even at the range, with all safety precautions in place you need to keep your head in the game. In an occupied home in an occupied neighborhood your intent pretty much has to be lethal in order for it not to be reckless.

150 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:45:51pm

re: #144 engineer cat

Successful TV Drama Causes ‘Progressive’

any hint of what they are imagining is the reason?

Aside from delusion about what people on the left actually think, I haven’t a clue. I hear it’s a good show. Have yet to catch it tho.

151 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:48:21pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

Because in spite of what one’s intentions are, discharging a firearm is inherently dangerous. Even at the range, with all safety precautions in place you need to keep your head in the game. In an occupied home in an occupied neighborhood your intent pretty much has to be lethal in order for it not to be reckless.

Which means her choices were kill the father of her children in front of them, or let them watch as he beat and perhaps even killed her.

It’s hard not to see the logic in “Guns protect women” there.////

152 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:48:38pm

Police called after man refuses to remove pasta strainer from head

A Motor Vehicle Commission office in New Jersey called the police on a man who refused to remove a pasta strainer from his head while having his driver’s license photo taken.

Aaron Williams, 25, said his pasta strainer was a religious head covering and that he had a right to wear it, according to a South Brunswick Police Department report obtained by The Smoking Gun.

Police informed Williams that a pasta strainer was not approved by the MVC and convinced him to take the photo without it.

153 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:49:53pm

re: #141 kirkspencer

Yes, this particular case pisses me off. The black woman who had a documented fear for her life doesn’t get to claim “stand your ground” against a known attacker in her own apartment.

If she’d actually shot him then the law would be on her side. Even if she invited the husband in, under Castle Doctrine there’s no reasonable expectation for her to retreat to the garage - the judge got that part completely wrong. I agree that the case is a travesty and that 20 years is a completely outlandish and unjustifiable punishment. However warning shots are intrinsically dangerous and society is right to treat them as such.

154 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:50:53pm

re: #152 Kragar (Antichrist )

Police called after man refuses to remove pasta strainer from head

The Pastafarians should retaliate with impeccorinotory prayer.

155 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:50:58pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

Which means her choices were kill the father of her children in front of them, or let them watch as he beat and perhaps even killed her.

It’s hard not to see the logic in “Guns protect women” there.////

Listen, guns aren’t conductor’s wands, they’re designed to kill. If that wasn’t her intent then she shouldn’t have gotten the damned thing.

156 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:54:43pm

re: #152 Kragar (Antichrist )

Police called after man refuses to remove pasta strainer from head

I question what point he’s trying to make by that stunt.

157 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:55:17pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Listen, guns aren’t conductor’s wands, they’re designed to kill. If that wasn’t her intent then she shouldn’t have gotten the damned thing.

Why yes. They are not magic wands. In addition there are a lot of people who, even when they are certain they are at risk of life (or rape), will still hesitate or intentionally miss.

Which means the “more guns stops crime” argument fails in the light of reality.

158 Majacita  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:56:33pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

So because she was too timid to kill someone after she had bought a gun to protect herself she should instead spend 20 years in jail?

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:57:50pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Listen, guns aren’t conductor’s wands, they’re designed to kill. If that wasn’t her intent then she shouldn’t have gotten the damned thing.

Which is rather the point, that guns are not magical totems, having one does not always stop the “bad guy.” This woman had a gun pointed at her husband and yet he didn’t back down. If anything, he was probably going to beat her even harder for pulling a gun on him.

160 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:58:19pm

re: #156 Shvaughn

I question what point he’s trying to make by that stunt.

[moonbat]Because they let Jews and Muslims wear those stupid little beanies!1!ty[/moonbat]

161 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 4:58:37pm

re: #157 kirkspencer

Why yes. They are not magic wands. In addition there are a lot of people who, even when they are certain they are at risk of life (or rape), will still hesitate or intentionally miss.

Which means the “more guns stops crime” argument fails in the light of reality.

Good thing I’m not defending the LaPierre’s argument, just like I’m not asking you to defend Biden’s reckless idiocy. If you want a less than lethal option you get a taser or some pepper spray. If you pull the trigger on a warning shot you own whatever gets broken downrange, and own the fact that pulling the trigger without a clear, immediate, justifiable target is in and of itself a reckless decision.

162 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:13pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Good thing I’m not defending the LaPierre’s argument, just like I’m not asking you to defend Biden’s reckless idiocy. If you want a less than lethal option you get a taser or some pepper spray. If you pull the trigger on a warning shot you own whatever gets broken downrange, and own the fact that pulling the trigger without a clear, immediate, justifiable target is in and of itself a reckless decision.

Agreed with it being reckless, but 20 years for a shot that didn’t injure or kill anyone is beyond excessive.

163 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:29pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

That’s why I’ve become adept at the following:

Expelliarmus
Expecto Patronum
and

Stupefy

164 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:34pm

What right-wing racism? (Tweet links to a white supremacist site)

165 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:35pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

[moonbat]Because they let Jews and Muslims wear those stupid little beanies!1!ty[/moonbat]

Probable reaction to this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

166 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:38pm

Oh man, poor Ben “Manti” Shapiro is really getting hammered on MSNBC.

167 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:01:42pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Good thing I’m not defending the LaPierre’s argument, just like I’m not asking you to defend Biden’s reckless idiocy. If you want a less than lethal option you get a taser or some pepper spray. If you pull the trigger on a warning shot you own whatever gets broken downrange, and own the fact that pulling the trigger without a clear, immediate, justifiable target is in and of itself a reckless decision.

What of Biden’s recommendations do you consider reckless?

168 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:03:27pm

re: #167 kirkspencer

What of Biden’s recommendations do you consider reckless?

Well, suggesting that a double-barrel shotgun is a good defensive weapon for one.

169 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:03:34pm

re: #160 Vicious Babushka

[moonbat]Because they let Jews and Muslims wear those stupid little beanies!1!ty[/moonbat]

Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking really. That it’s a critique of the minority, relatively powerless religions in the U.S., such as Jews, Muslims, and Sihks.

Which honestly strikes me as fucked up and not a noble stand to take at all.

170 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:04:00pm

re: #158 Majacita

So because she was too timid to kill someone after she had bought a gun to protect herself she should instead spend 20 years in jail?

You can’t read, can you. Twice I said it was a travesty, and called the sentence outlandish and unjustifiable.

171 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:04:25pm

re: #165 Decatur Deb

Probable reaction to this:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Well, that was over 10 years ago. I don’t know that any other Muslim women have demanded to have ID photo while wearing niqab. Anyway if that was the case wouldn’t he have demanded to wear a Mueller’s box over his head?

172 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:06:15pm

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

Well, that was over 10 years ago. I don’t know that any other Muslim women have demanded to have ID photo while wearing niqab. Anyway if that was the case wouldn’t he have demanded to wear a Mueller’s box over his head?

That’s only the Pastafarians of the Asciutta rite.

173 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:06:18pm

Expecto Patronum

i expectorate your father

174 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:06:58pm

re: #173 engineer cat

Expecto Patronum

i expectorate your father

actually, it sounds to me like “i am waiting of the patrons”

175 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:07:00pm

re: #166 Charles Johnson

Oh man, poor Ben “Manti” Shapiro is really getting hammered on MSNBC.

Media gets caught repeating a lie, proceeds to “absolve” themselves by beating up on the guy who fooled them to begin with.

176 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:07:18pm

re: #167 kirkspencer

What of Biden’s recommendations do you consider reckless?

Going outside, to an exposed position, and emptying a double barreled shotgun at an unspecified “problem.” If a lethal response is warranted, then Castle Doctrine says you’re in a much more legally defensible position by staying indoors. Going outside, shooting twice and leaving yourself vulnerable and without cover seems kind of stupid, but that’s just me.

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:09:25pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

Going outside, to an exposed position, and emptying a double barreled shotgun at an unspecified “problem.” If a lethal response is warranted, then Castle Doctrine says you’re in a much more legally defensible position by staying indoors. Going outside, shooting twice and leaving yourself vulnerable and without cover seems kind of stupid, but that’s just me.

Agreed. As shown, if anything, you’re more likely to get time in prison for discharging a firearm within city limits.

178 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:09:33pm

New Twitter Follow buttons tonight, on articles and LGF Pages (if you’ve linked your LGF and Twitter accounts in ‘Account Settings’).

179 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:09:41pm

re: #174 engineer cat

actually, it sounds to me like “i am waiting of the patrons”

Smart-assed kids got me a “Vetustior Humo” t-shirt for Christmas.

180 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:09:53pm

Good evening Lizards.

Older Feline Overlord went to vet today. (First time out of the apartment since adoption four or so weeks ago.) F.O. did not like the trip, though she behaved fairly well. However, I am considered bad, irresponsible, and exiled from her presence for having the gall of shoving her into a cat carrier and taking her there.

Until fifteen minutes ago, when I suddenly became best staff human ever and am being followed about the apartment.

That a meatloaf came out of the oven at that time is certainly a complete coincidence.

Image: Meatloaf.jpg

(Disclaimer: Meatloaf pictured is a standard recipe meatloaf and does not necessarily resemble the actual product.)

181 calochortus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:10:24pm

re: #143 A Mom Anon

Stupid plot. Costumes to die for.

182 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:10:48pm

These new follow buttons let you follow someone with one click - no pop-up windows.

183 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:10:56pm

Context for the Biden shotgun thing:

Joe Biden’s Shotgun Advice Could Land Jill Biden in Jail

In a Facebook “chat” Tuesday, the vice president said that he had advised his wife, Jill, to fire a shotgun in the air from their Delaware home’s porch if she was concerned for her safety.

“I said, ‘Jill, if there’s ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony here, walk out and put that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house,’” Biden said.

“You don’t need an AR-15—it’s harder to aim,” he added, “it’s harder to use, and in fact you don’t need 30 rounds to protect yourself. Buy a shotgun! Buy a shotgun!”

However, Delaware law would likely make his suggestion illegal—unless the shots were fired in self-defense in a truly life-threatening situation.

A sergeant with the Wilmington, Del., police department explained to U.S. News that city residents are not allowed to fire guns on their property.

The sergeant, who preferred not to be identified, said that Wilmington residents are also not allowed to shoot trespassers. “On your property you can’t just shoot someone,” he said. “You have to really feel that your life is being threatened.”

184 kirkspencer  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:11:06pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

Going outside, to an exposed position, and emptying a double barreled shotgun at an unspecified “problem.” If a lethal response is warranted, then Castle Doctrine says you’re in a much more legally defensible position by staying indoors. Going outside, shooting twice and leaving yourself vulnerable and without cover seems kind of stupid, but that’s just me.

Ah. For some reason I recalled you being peeved at the gun control plan he provided the president and thought it was that source.

185 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:12:35pm

re: #180 Feline Fearless Leader

Good evening Lizards.

Older Feline Overlord went to vet today. (First time out of the apartment since adoption four or so weeks ago.) F.O. did not like the trip, though she behaved fairly well. However, I am considered bad, irresponsible, and exiled from her presence for having the gall of shoving her into a cat carrier and taking her there.

Until fifteen minutes ago, when I suddenly became best staff human ever and am being followed about the apartment.

That a meatloaf came out of the oven at that time is certainly a complete coincidence.

Image: Meatloaf.jpg

(Disclaimer: Meatloaf pictured is a standard recipe meatloaf and does not necessarily resemble the actual product.)

Yeah, the second eldest FO in our household is a chowhound/glutton for attention. Take him to the vet and he hates you…for all of five minutes. Less if you cook up some chicken or put out a can of tuna for him.

186 Decatur Deb  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:13:02pm

re: #183 Shvaughn

Context for the Biden shotgun thing:

Joe Biden’s Shotgun Advice Could Land Jill Biden in Jail

Why I hope Hillary is the candidate in 2016.

187 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:15:52pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Yeah, the second eldest FO in our household is a chowhound/glutton for attention. Take him to the vet and he hates you…for all of five minutes. Less if you cook up some chicken or put out a can of tuna for him.

The younger FO is the attention-slug here and closest to being a lap cat. He climbed up while I was doing a crossword while dinner was cooking to get a few pets and ended up lying on his back cradled on my left arm with all four paws in the air while his head got scritched. Would have gotten a picture of it except that I had a cat sitting on me… ;)

188 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:17:16pm

re: #184 kirkspencer

Ah. For some reason I recalled you being peeved at the gun control plan he provided the president and thought it was that source.

I do disagree with the specifics in Feinstein’s bill and don’t think anything she or Biden has brought to the table is going to do anything to reduce gun violence. For the most part though my criticism is that they are’t doing anything to target compact handguns, which are the one used in the vast majority of firearms crime.

189 lawhawk  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:17:24pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

BTW, Thanks for updating the LGF page dashboard. Much appreciated!

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:19:01pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

I do disagree with the specifics in Feinstein’s bill and don’t think anything she or Biden has brought to the table is going to do anything to reduce gun violence. For the most part though my criticism is that they are’t doing anything to target compact handguns, which are the one used in the vast majority of firearms crime.

Think that has more to do with going after weapons that are fairly easy to argue serve no legitimate legal purpose, i.e. hunting or self-defense. An effort against handguns would have been pretty much DOA.

191 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:19:22pm

re: #75 Jimmah The Unacceptable

To Gus:

A genuine apology from me about revealing something that was in a private email. I did cross over the line and I’m really sorry. It was shitty.

About the other stuff that led up to it, my opinion hasn’t changed, but what the fuck, we can agree to disagree.

OK. Let me stew on this for a while as I sit here in the cold typing here getting side eye from a couple of people with my broken leg, neck pain and tooth ache.

192 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:20:00pm

re: #188 goddamnedfrank

For the most part though my criticism is that they are’t doing anything to target compact handguns, which are the one used in the vast majority of firearms crime.

What do you think they should do about compact handguns? (And what do you think is actually doable?)

193 Majacita  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:21:42pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

You are contradicting yourself. You say it is a travesty and then you justify it in the same post. And yes I can read.

194 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:24:33pm

Capital Gains Tax Cuts ‘By Far’ The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality, Study Finds

Capital gains and other investment income was taxed as regular wage income from 1986 until 1996, when the capital gains rate was reduced. It was further reduced as part of the Bush tax cuts, and over the last decade, it has reversed the equalizing effects of taxes and allowed for massive income gains for the wealthy that translated directly into increased income inequality:

195 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:24:56pm

re: #192 Shvaughn

What do you think they should do about compact handguns? (And what do you think is actually doable?)

At the very least they should shift them into the Silencer category under the NFA. Require an ATF Form 4 and $200 tax stamp for all purchases and transfers. If we actually gave a shit about impacting gun crime in some meaningful way that’s what we’d do.

Doable might be shifting them into the AOW category, which reduces the tax stamp to $5.

196 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:27:34pm

re: #193 Majacita

You are contradicting yourself. You say it is a travesty and then you justify it in the same post. And yes I can read.

Yeah, what she did should be and is a crime. I get that you’re conveniently unable to grasp nuance at the moment, but there’s nothing contradictory about thinking that something should be against the law while still believing that that 20 years constitutes a cruel and unusual punishment for that offense.

197 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:28:17pm

re: #194 Kragar (Antichrist )

Capital Gains Tax Cuts ‘By Far’ The Biggest Contributor To Growth In Income Inequality, Study Finds

Gee, literally valuing capital above labor has had the result of weakening labor and enriching capital. Whodathunkit.

198 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:28:23pm

re: #191 Gus

{Gus}

199 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:28:29pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

At the very least they should shift them into the Silencer category under the NFA. Require an ATF Form 4 and $200 tax stamp for all purchases and transfers. If we actually gave a shit about impacting gun crime in some meaningful way that’s what we’d do.

Doable might be shifting them into the AOW category, which reduces the tax stamp to $5.

Certainly sounds like an interesting route to consider. Question is, would it pass muster before SCOTUS. Scalia in Heller acknowledged that the 2A has limits, but those limits have not yet been defined.

200 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:31:24pm

TGDN DERP FAIL, these are the same people who want to eliminate PBS

201 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:31:29pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

{Gus}

{wrenchwench} The tooth is what woke me up at 4 AM this morning. Got a plastic bag with some ice tied to my head/cheek with a scarf. Feeling slightly better. Hopefully it will go away again.

202 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:32:25pm

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

TGDN DERP FAIL, these are the same people who want to eliminate PBS

Cookie Monster would never talk like that anyway.

203 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:34:02pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

Certainly sounds like an interesting route to consider. Question is, would it pass muster before SCOTUS. Scalia in Heller acknowledged that the 2A has limits, but those limits have not yet been defined.

I think it’s a lot more likely to pass SCOTUS than the kind of uncompensated taking of private property that’s in the NY SAFE Act and that Feinstein’s proposing. More importantly it’s a lot more likely to have a real, measurable impact on gun crime, which I was under the impression was the actual goal here.

204 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:34:31pm

re: #201 Gus

{wrenchwench} The tooth is what woke me up at 4 AM this morning. Got a plastic bag with some ice tied to my head/cheek with a scarf. Feeling slightly better. Hopefully it will go away again.

I take it you have no dental insurance?

An abcess tooth can get infected and KILL YOU.

205 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:35:06pm

re: #182 Charles Johnson

These new follow buttons let you follow someone with one click - no pop-up windows.

I got pop-up windows. Is it just me?

206 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:35:16pm

re: #202 Shvaughn

Cookie Monster would never talk like that anyway.

Yeah, he loves cookies but he’s not a douche either.

207 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:35:31pm

re: #204 Vicious Babushka

I take it you have no dental insurance?

An abcess tooth can get infected and KILL YOU.

Yeah. I forgot about that. Thanks. OK, I’ll keep a better eye on it then.

208 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:38:08pm

re: #202 Shvaughn

Cookie Monster would never talk like that anyway.

Singing is another matter entirely.

209 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:38:31pm

re: #203 goddamnedfrank

I think it’s a lot more likely to pass SCOTUS than the kind of uncompensated taking of private property that’s in the NY SAFE Act and that Feinstein’s proposing. More importantly it’s a lot more likely to have a real, measurable impact on gun crime, which I was under the impression was the actual goal here.

Agreed. Though I was generally more focused on the owner end versus the gun end, such as providing proof at time of purchase of owning a gun safe or requiring a psychiatric evaluation as part of obtaining a license.

210 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:42:43pm

Image: h34E5E121.jpg

Later, lizards.

211 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:45:46pm

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

TGDN DERP FAIL, these are the same people who want to eliminate PBS

cookie monster is probably the most sharing creature on the teevee machine

212 b_sharp  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:46:21pm

re: #201 Gus

{wrenchwench} The tooth is what woke me up at 4 AM this morning. Got a plastic bag with some ice tied to my head/cheek with a scarf. Feeling slightly better. Hopefully it will go away again.

You now have a toothache?

Gus, what karmic monster did you piss off?

213 Majacita  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:47:11pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

Yes, I understand nuance. I think it was a travesty that she was charged at all. You just want her to have a lighter sentence. I don’t know if the difference in our outlooks is because of different backgrounds or professions, but I don’t think we’re going to agree.

214 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:47:14pm

re: #212 b_sharp

You now have a toothache?

Gus, what karmic monster did you piss off?

Cthulhu maybe. Stupid ice cream set it off I think.

215 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:49:33pm
216 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:50:26pm

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

In the above video Biden says the following:

If AR-15’s are harder to aim and use, then that kind of undermines the argument that they should be outlawed. They can’t at the same time be more conducive to mass murder while also being harder to aim and use. The advice to his wife to go out onto the porch, to an exposed position, and then empty the two rounds from her weapon into the night also doesn’t strike me as the sanest, most tactically sound or legally defensible idea ever.

Somebody in favor of renewing the AWB should tell Biden that’s he’s not helping the cause with this argument.

GDF, I’m sure you get this, but for discussion-
Biden mangled that whole thing. Step out and show yourself with a gun? That is easily some of the most foolish, dangerous advice I have ever heard spoken. The shotgun thing is good advice for a person that wants something deadly and easy to aim and operate.

That discussion, like that same discussion with anyone looking at defensive options really needs to include highly trained and experienced defensive expert instructors. I happen to be a guy that went through the gamut from sophisticated electronic alarms to martial arts to simple weapons to firearms.

None of this distills down well to talking points. Not a bit of it.

In these pages I have seen so much crap that revolves around anger at crime, the NRA and the RWNJ. All well and good for blogging.

Well at some point the irrelevance of all that to actual personal choice has to be declared. Straw men, exaggerations, hyperbole. These are the things preventing rational intelligent discussion, reform and policy. The big stats are good to know. Like how unlikely it is to get hit by lightning. National Geographic says the odds are one in 1/775,000. Pretty safe. Unless maybe you golf in Tampa bay a lot. Now those odds are very different.

Those thinking about self defense need to look at their circumstances carefully.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:50:56pm

re: #195 goddamnedfrank

At the very least they should shift them into the Silencer category under the NFA. Require an ATF Form 4 and $200 tax stamp for all purchases and transfers. If we actually gave a shit about impacting gun crime in some meaningful way that’s what we’d do.

Doable might be shifting them into the AOW category, which reduces the tax stamp to $5.

While I could go with AOW, the main reason it won’t happen is those small handguns are the growth industry for gun makers. Just look at what’s being pushed on the Ruger or Smith & Wesson/Walther web sites. There’s enough lobby money there to keep the “concealed carry” category safe from any significant federal regulation.

218 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:51:11pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Oy Vey. Here we go again X2.

219 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:53:25pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

Fuck it, why don’t they just require a probe be implanted at puberty for 24/7 constant monitoring?

Fucking bastards.

220 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:09:00pm

re: #213 Majacita

Yes, I understand nuance. I think it was a travesty that she was charged at all. You just want her to have a lighter sentence. I don’t know if the difference in our outlooks is because of different backgrounds or professions, but I don’t think we’re going to agree.

Fear doesn’t justify recklessness. What she did should have been a misdemeanor, a few weeks and a suspended sentence. If she’d shot the husband then it’s not a crime. Ask yourself if the genders were reversed if you’d be okay with an abused husband (and they do exist) inviting his estranged, abusive wife home, then firing a warning shot through a wall with children in the house?

I think it’s a kind of chauvinism to cut a woman greater slack for behaving recklessly in the face of fear. It plays into the same sexist argument used by those who don’t think they have a place serving in front line military units.

221 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:26:23pm

Geez I wish I could sit down with some of these TV experts with all their claptrap bullet point advice and straighten them out. I’d love to set up a video recording session to thrash this stuff out with some real experts. What I would give to get on with Piers Morgan or a session with La Pierre and Biden!

I’d do it on my own but I have so little hope of getting anyone of any high profile in on it. Damn. I have everything else I need for it. You guys here at LGF have sharpened me up on this a lot too.

222 Majacita  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:32:15pm

re: #220 goddamnedfrank

Our disagreement isn’t gender based. I certainly know that women can be threatening and abusive. I also know men who wouldn’t shoot the mother of his children even if she was coming at him with a weapon (I know in this case the man was unarmed) or was otherwise threatening, but might discharge a gun to scare her.

I think that if she was justified in killing him then she was justified in trying to scare him. Our disagreement comes from my background in criminal defense. If she had a self defense defense to killing him then she had the same defense to firing to scare him. Her choices were kill him, let him beat her, or try to scare him away. But if they’d offered the sentence you would impose I would probably have recommended she take it.

223 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:41:12pm

re: #222 Majacita

I think that if she was justified in killing him then she was justified in trying to scare him. Our disagreement comes from my background in criminal defense. If she had a self defense defense to killing him then she had the same defense to firing to scare him. Her choices were kill him, let him beat her, or try to scare him away. But if they’d offered the sentence you would impose I would probably have recommended she take it.

That bold portion is an excellent point. I’m not a gun advocate really I’m a self defense advocate. People need to have room to defend as they best can. Since we rightly punish excess force so much, we need to also be fair to those who try to use less force and make a mistake. Well said Majacita. BTW how did you choose that nic?

224 Majacita  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:45:52pm

re: #223 Political Atheist

It’s a private joke between my husband and Goya.

225 Usually refered to as anyways  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:29:09pm

re: #154 Decatur Deb

The Pastafarians should retaliate with impeccorinotory prayer.

More updings if I could, very funny…


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