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Via SoundCloud: Darwin Deez - Songs for Imaginative People (Full Album)

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I’m posting this partly because I need to test our SoundCloud integration since they changed their code, and also because it’s a quirky, funky, stripped down, freaking great record, and how cool is it that you can stream the whole thing through SoundCloud?

You should buy it - I did: Songs for Imaginative People.

My favorite song might be “Moonlit.”

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1 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:47:43pm
2 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:49:25pm

Been listening to this a lot lately:

3 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 5:59:33pm

re: #2 Kragar (Antichrist )

Been listening to this a lot lately:

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I recently discovered them. Good sound.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:02:40pm

re: #3 HappyWarrior

I recently discovered them. Good sound.

5 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:03:14pm

Anyhow, this is my daily contribution. Not music but John Cheever reading his most famous short story, “The Swimmer.” I only first read this short story over a year and a half ago for a modern American lit class I took my final semester of college but it’s one of my favorites.

6 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:09:45pm

How cool is it that you can stream a complete album like this? And this is from the artist’s official page - no copyright issues. SoundCloud is a great site.

7 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:11:25pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

How cool is it that you can stream a complete album like this? And this is from the artist’s official page - no copyright issues. SoundCloud is a great site.

Bet it pisses the recording companies off something fierce.

8 engineer cat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:13:58pm

deez

wattabout the dems and dozes?

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:14:15pm

Rachel Maddow brought up the “Friends of Hamas” derpfest but pointedly omitted mentioning Breitbart.com. Heh.

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:15:21pm

re: #7 Kragar (Antichrist )

Bet it pisses the recording companies off something fierce.

I think they have licensing deals of some kind. Don’t have a link at the moment but I believe I read some articles about their haggles with the record biz.

11 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:18:08pm

Regina Spektor’s on SoundCloud too:

[Link: soundcloud.com…]

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:18:51pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I think they have licensing deals of some kind. Don’t have a link at the moment but I believe I read some articles about their haggles with the record biz.

Related:
5 Things Record Labels Don’t Want You to Know They Do

13 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:20:25pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Rachel Maddow brought up the “Friends of Hamas” derpfest but pointedly omitted mentioning Breitbart.com. Heh.

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:20:29pm

re: #12 Kragar (Antichrist )

Related:
5 Things Record Labels Don’t Want You to Know They Do

I read that earlier. Made me feel a lot less guilty about DLing music.

15 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:21:28pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Didn’t Romney describe Breitbart as a “good, right of center blog.” I agree, though the problem with Bretibart is that it has credibility. It should be seen frankly the same way Stormfront or WND is.

16 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:21:49pm

Oy. Nate Silver is seeing things I’ve been predicting.

17 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:21:51pm

So how’s that Benghazi thing working out for you?

18 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:26:37pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

So how’s that Benghazi thing working out for you?

Benghazi? Nobody cares anymore.

19 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:29:25pm

Derp:

20 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:30:03pm

Charles,
Why Soundcloud instead of Spotify? The FB thing? Tech issues?

21 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:30:06pm

re: #18 EdDantes

Benghazi? Nobody cares anymore.

I thought yesterday you were just arguing about Benghazi.

22 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:32:16pm

re: #20 Political Atheist

Charles,
Why Soundcloud instead of Spotify? The FB thing? Tech issues?

Spotify doesn’t allow embedding like this.

23 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:33:15pm

re: #21 Shvaughn

I thought yesterday you were just arguing about Benghazi.

I’ll modify my remark. I care about Benghazi but most Americans don’t.

24 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:35:11pm

re: #23 EdDantes

Because most people are sane and don’t buy into wingnut conspiracy bullshit. That’s why they’re not obsessed with Benghazi.

25 Interesting Times  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:38:49pm

re: #16 Gus

Oy. Nate Silver is seeing things I’ve been predicting.

Saw that too, and it scared me too, though I felt a bit better after remembering:

1) Sharron Angle
2) Christine O’Donnell
3) Todd Aikin
4) Richard Mourdock

All races eminently winnable for GOPers (especially NV in 2010 and IN in 2012), all flushed down the Tea Party toilet (Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t remain vigilant, of course. Take nothing for granted, ever.)

26 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:42:07pm

re: #24 Lidane

I’m not obsessed with Benghazi. I was pointing out that Most Americans don’t care about that event. Four people died and we move on

27 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:45:10pm

re: #26 EdDantes

I’m not obsessed with Benghazi. I was pointing out that Most Americans don’t care about that event. Four people died and we move on

People die every day. We move on.

28 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:45:13pm

re: #26 EdDantes

Just like they did after every other Embassy or Consulate bombing/killing, some of those had a much higher death toll too. And as I recall, some of those were under the watch of Republican administrations.

29 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:45:40pm

re: #26 EdDantes

I’m not obsessed with Benghazi. I was pointing out that Most Americans don’t care about that event. Four people died and we move on

Not to diminish the four who died but we had Americans killed at embassies during the administration of Obama’s predecessors too. What to me is bothersome about Benghazi is how Senate Republicans namely Senators McCain and Graham want to turn this into “How can we make President Obama look as bad as possible for this” rather than getting the bottom of what happened so something like this won’t happen again.

30 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:48:37pm

re: #28 A Mom Anon

Just like they did after every other Embassy or Consulate bombing/killing, some of those had a much higher death toll too. And as I recall, some of those were under the watch of Republican administrations.

Yes, Benghazi I think is particularly prominent because we had an ambassador killed.

31 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:50:27pm

re: #29 HappyWarrior

Not to diminish the four who died but we had Americans killed at embassies during the administration of Obama’s predecessors too. What to me is bothersome about Benghazi is how Senate Republicans namely Senators McCain and Graham want to turn this into “How can we make President Obama look as bad as possible for this.”

What is bothersome to me is that Ambassador Stephens requested help and didn’t get it. Somebody better investigate soon (Dylan reference. look it up)

32 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:52:45pm

re: #31 EdDantes

What is bothersome to me is that Ambassador Stephens requested help and didn’t get it. Somebody better investigate soon (Dylan reference. look it up)

They did, at length.

33 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:52:52pm

re: #31 EdDantes

What is bothersome to me is that Ambassador Stephens requested help and didn’t get it. Somebody better investigate soon (Dylan reference. look it up)

When was that request made? I want to clarify what you’re saying before I reply.

34 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:52:55pm

re: #26 EdDantes

I’m sure you were similarly concerned about all the embassy attacks during Bush’s eight years in office. Right?

35 A Mom Anon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:52:57pm

re: #30 HappyWarrior

I know, but this isn’t about the ambassador, it’s about sowing more seeds of ugly and an excuse to obstruct appointments. If we had heard the same uproar about the other deaths I’d be more apt to believe they gave a shit. While ambassador is an important job, that doesn’t make that life more valuable than any other. It also doesn’t have a thing to do with the Hagel nomination, or anything else they’re trying to use it to screw with.

I’m out for the night now, I have to drive a couple hours in the morning to pick up the kiddo from school.

36 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:53:04pm

re: #31 EdDantes

What is bothersome to me is that Ambassador Stephens requested help and didn’t get it. Somebody better investigate soon (Dylan reference. look it up)

Because we have forces who can instantly teleport anywhere across the globe, or are you talking about the funds which Congress cut from the State Dept to address security concerns?

37 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:54:57pm

re: #35 A Mom Anon

I know, but this isn’t about the ambassador, it’s about sowing more seeds of ugly and an excuse to obstruct appointments. If we had heard the same uproar about the other deaths I’d be more apt to believe they gave a shit. While ambassador is an important job, that doesn’t make that life more valuable than any other. It also doesn’t have a thing to do with the Hagel nomination, or anything else they’re trying to use it to screw with.

I’m out for the night now, I have to drive a couple hours in the morning to pick up the kiddo from school.

Oh believe me, we’re on the same page. The fact that this tragedy is being used as an excuse to obstruct every Obama appointee is ridiculous. I don’t detect an ounce of sincerity. As I said, I see Graham and McCain wanting to put on a show. McCain’s actions with the press show that he cares more about this being a circus than getting the truth of what happened.

38 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 6:58:19pm

re: #36 Kragar (Antichrist )

Because we have forces who can instantly teleport anywhere across the globe, or are you talking about the funds which Congress cut from the State Dept to address security concerns?

Unpossible! The US military have a TARDIS lying around. Also, everyone knows that there are no consequences to cutting the State Department’s security budget.

/////

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:01:29pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR

40 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:02:26pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:04:52pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR

“Forced abortion”?

42 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:06:12pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

“Forced abortion”?

PANNED PARENTHOOD GRABS WIMMEN OFF THE STREETS AND FORCES THEM TO HAVE ABORTIONS EVEN IF THEIR NOT EVEN PRAGNENT!1!1!!TY

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:07:59pm

re: #38 Lidane

Unpossible! The US military have a TARDIS lying around. Also, everyone knows that there are no consequences to cutting the State Department’s security budget.

/////

To be fair, it was less the security budget and more Libya’s not wanting to allowing more security contractors for the facility. Like most Arab nations, Libya finds western security contractors a serious bugbear, an attitude which is in large part the product of that likely-bad Blackwater mass shooting in Baghdad a few years back.

44 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:08:16pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

The group behind this creepy story: [Link: www.adfmedia.org…]

45 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:09:11pm

re: #36 Kragar (Antichrist )

Because we have forces who can instantly teleport anywhere across the globe, or are you talking about the funds which Congress cut from the State Dept to address security concerns?

We obviously can’t teleport. At the hearings I wanted someone to say, ” We got the message from Ambassador Stephens and due to logistics problems it was impossible to get aid to him because…”

46 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:09:26pm

DERP DERP HURR HURR.
Peter, what if they would have become welfare & food stamp recipients!

47 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:09:58pm

re: #44 Charles Johnson

The group behind this creepy story: [Link: www.adfmedia.org…]

That’s just fucking sick.

48 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:10:46pm

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

I’ve been checking out the tweets posted here the last few weeks and have to ask a question from the more experienced twitter users.

I see descriptions similar to this: “This Conservative Lady is a strict Constitutionalist. Pro-life, 2nd amendment, Republican. Our military is our best asset. Israel supporter ” on a bunch of these tweets.

Is putting political blurbs like this a popular thing? Or is it mostly something the tcot, gulag people do? I’m wondering how many of these accounts are actually astroturf.

49 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:10:59pm

re: #45 EdDantes

We obviously can’t teleport. At the hearings I wanted someone to say, ” We got the message from Ambassador Stephens and due to logistics problems it was impossible to get aid to him because…”

And how many such messages do you believe they receive in any given week? Or was Stevens of such high value that putting extra emphasis on protecting him was of paramount importance?

50 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:11:16pm

*sigh*

What part of “across the board cuts” is hard to understand?

51 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:12:25pm

MOAR HERP DERP

52 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:13:53pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

And how many such messages do you believe they receive in any given week? Or was Stevens of such high value that putting extra emphasis on protecting him was of paramount importance?

Given that Libya was and still is higher profile than most embassies and consulates, the request should have had priority. But even allowing for that, the government of Libya wasn’t that fond of allowing the US to bring in more outside security.

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:14:28pm

Someone posted an interesting Jon Stewart line last night on facebook. I’m paraphrasing but basically the line was businessmen who find way to skirt taxes and regulations are considered savvy businessmen but if you’re poor and use the same system to get food or whatever, why are you then a moocher.

54 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:14:40pm

re: #50 Lidane

*sigh*

What part of “across the board cuts” is hard to understand?

That Twitter thing is a bot, not a real person. I have noticed lately a bunch of bots flooding TGDN with “Conservative” Tweets, but they have randomly generated names and no followers or following.

55 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:15:22pm

re: #48 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

I’ve been checking out the tweets posted here the last few weeks and have to ask a question for the more experienced twitter users.

I see descriptions similar to this: “This Conservative Lady is a strict Constitutionalist. Pro-life, 2nd amendment, Republican. Our military is our best asset. Israel supporter ” on a bunch of these tweets.

Is putting political blurbs like this a popular thing? Or is it mostly something the tcot, gulag people do? I’m wondering how many of these accounts are actually astroturf.

Wouldn’t surprise me after hearing what I have about campaigns and facebook. I imagine Twitter is the same way.

56 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:15:39pm

LOL, Peter M. Abraham is an “unemployed CEO”

57 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:16:09pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

Several hours had elapsed. I don’t know exactly how many. Here is a link from cnn.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

58 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:16:11pm

re: #45 EdDantes

We obviously can’t teleport. At the hearings I wanted someone to say, ” We got the message from Ambassador Stephens and due to logistics problems it was impossible to get aid to him because…”

Unless I’m mistaken, you seem to be under that impression that Ambassador Stephens requested aid on the night of the attack, and the request was turned down? Is that right?

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:16:21pm

HENRY DAVID THOREAU: All news is gossip

The messenger answered with respect: ‘My master desires to diminish the number of his faults, but he can not come to the end of them.’ The messenger being gone, the philosopher remarked: ‘What a worth messenger! What a worthy messenger!’”

Shams and delusions are esteemed for soundest truths, while reality is fabulous. If men would steadily observe realities only, and not allow themselves to be deluded, life, to compare it with such things as we know, would be like a fairy tale and the Arabian Nights’ Entertainments.

If we respected only what is inevitable and has a right to be, music and poetry would resound along the streets.

60 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:16:40pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Given that Libya was and still is higher profile than most embassies and consulates, the request should have had priority. But even allowing for that, the government of Libya wasn’t that fond of allowing the US to bring in more outside security.

There were 281 threats made against US diplomatic missions in the six months prior. Not Benghazi, not Stevens, all US diplomatic missions across the globe. Many of them in countries that would be considered volatile.

61 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:17:55pm

re: #45 EdDantes

Because it’s not true, and I hope you know that.

62 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:19:37pm

Here’s how to tell a bot on Twitter:

1. Name is a bunch of random letters
2. No or very few followers or following
3. Random phrase like “This made me laugh so hard!”
4. Usually found on trending hashtags.

63 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:19:46pm

re: #26 EdDantes

Just like 241 Marines and other service members in Lebanon that the right didn’t care about because it was St. Ronnie sent them there to die needlessly.

Thankfully he’s in hell now.

64 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:21:36pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

Bust me if I’m wrong but as I recall embassies have little security because it is the explicit statutory responsibility of the local national gov to assure and ensure security. Hence there are few if any truly well armed embassies.

Expectations of very strong defenses at embassies are misplaced at best.

65 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:23:08pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Unless I’m mistaken, you seem to be under that impression that Ambassador Stephens requested aid on the night of the attack, and the request was turned down? Is that right?

Turned down? No, they way I understand it there was no attempt at giving aid. General Dempsey said the dod never go a request

66 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:24:48pm

re: #65 EdDantes

You’re kidding, right?

67 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:25:09pm

re: #65 EdDantes

Turned down? No, they way I understand it there was no attempt at giving aid. General Dempsey said the dod never go a request

He also said even if they had received a request, there was no way they could have responded in time.

68 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:25:22pm

re: #57 EdDantes

Several hours had elapsed. I don’t know exactly how many. Here is a link from cnn.

[Link: www.cnn.com…]

If you mean after the attack was underway, I’ve already answered that:

Help was not sent because there was no sufficient help to send. To have sent a drone would have been to risk unacceptable collateral damage from its area-fire weapons. To have sent transport helicopters with a relief team (even if they were available, there were no Ah-64s to hand) would have been to risk their loss to the SA-24 we had to assume the terrorists had access to.

Help was not sent because there was nothing to send that could have done any good at an acceptable risk.

69 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:25:44pm

re: #63 William Barnett-Lewis

Just like 241 Marines and other service members in Lebanon that the right didn’t care about because it was St. Ronnie sent them there to die needlessly.

Thankfully he’s in hell now.

I rarely down ding. In your case I made an exception. I despise hatefulness.

70 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:26:41pm

re: #63 William Barnett-Lewis

That was seriously over the line into Ted Rall territory. You’re better than that.

71 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:26:49pm

re: #66 Lidane

You’re kidding, right?

No. That is what he said.

72 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:28:26pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

He also said even if they had received a request, there was no way they could have responded in time.

I don’t remember that but I will take you at your word.

73 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:28:34pm

re: #65 EdDantes

And the reason behind this was … what? What do you think Obama was trying to achieve with this dastardly act?

Because I gotta tell ya, it sounds completely nuts to me. It sounds like you’re trying to suggest that the President wanted this attack to happen and deliberately stood in the way of efforts to help save Amb. Stevens.

Is that what you’re saying?

74 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:29:41pm

re: #45 EdDantes

We obviously can’t teleport. At the hearings I wanted someone to say, ” We got the message from Ambassador Stephens and due to logistics problems it was impossible to get aid to him because…”

because the world is a fucking huge place.

75 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:31:05pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

If you mean after the attack was underway, I’ve already answered that:

Help was not sent because there was no sufficient help to send. To have sent a drone would have been to risk unacceptable collateral damage from its area-fire weapons. To have sent transport helicopters with a relief team (even if they were available, there were no Ah-64s to hand) would have been to risk their loss to the SA-24 we had to assume the terrorists had access to.

Help was not sent because there was nothing to send that could have done any good at an acceptable risk.

I wish Panetta and Dempsey had said that when they had the opportunity.
When it was important. I will look into what you posted.

76 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:31:49pm

re: #51 Vicious Babushka

MOAR HERP DERP

Yeah, a lot of the DOD programs are industrial welfare, so I guess it could be called Dependence programs.

77 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:32:24pm

re: #74 Kragar (Antichrist )

because the world is a fucking huge place.

You, sir or madam. are brilliant.

78 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:35:33pm

re: #65 EdDantes

Turned down? No, they way I understand it there was no attempt at giving aid. General Dempsey said the dod never go a request

Dempsey and McCain Spar Over Benghazi

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on the Sept. 11, 2011 attacks on the consulate and an annex used by the CIA about a mile away, McCain immediately challenged Dempsey’s prepared remarks that “our military was appropriately responsive. We did what our posture and capabilities allowed.”

McCain called Dempsey’s assessment “one of the more bizarre statements I’ve ever seen in my years here at the Committee.”

Dempsey shot back that “I stand by my testimony, your dispute of it notwithstanding.”

Dempsey said that an unarmed reconnaissance drone was diverted to fly over Benghazi as the attacks began, and air and ground forces in Europe were put on alert, but the attacks ended before they could be deployed.

They could have scrambled everything in that hemisphere and still not have been able to respond.

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:35:37pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

That was seriously over the line into Ted Rall territory. You’re better than that.

Sorry DF, Ronnie did more damage to freedom in his time as president than any other president in American history. He showed himself for what he really was at Bitburg. Before that, he spent years propping up murderous thugs throughout Central and South America and helping the Ayatollah’s with weapons to fund a group of terrorists fighting the legal government of Nicaragua. He nearly destroyed the economy trying to outspend the Russians.

He did nothing good.

80 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:37:13pm

re: #69 EdDantes

I rarely down ding. In your case I made an exception. I despise hatefulness.

I live in Simi Valley, and it is, in fact, hell.

81 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:39:01pm

re: #75 EdDantes

I wish Panetta and Dempsey had said that when they had the opportunity.
When it was important. I will look into what you posted.

The reason they did not is the same reason a Republican administration likely would not have said such a thing:

For the Secretary of Defense to openly admit that an enemy had effectively checkmated any response would be to openly admit that they had defeated us. Such an admission would appear on a half-dozen Al Qaeda propaganda videos and al-Zawahiri himself would likely release a vid gloating over his victory. The result of that would be a surge in money and recruits to our worst enemies. So if Leon Panetta equivocated, he only did what I myself would have done in his place. The embassy attack was, after all, just one engagement in a much larger war.

82 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:39:13pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

And the reason behind this was … what? What do you think Obama was trying to achieve with this dastardly act?

Because I gotta tell ya, it sounds completely nuts to me. It sounds like you’re trying to suggest that the President wanted this attack to happen and deliberately stood in the way of efforts to help save Amb. Stevens.

Is that what you’re saying?

Wanted it to happen? That is insane. Obama is a very disconnected president but I never said or even believe that he is evil. Why attribute to malice to what can more easily explained as incompetence?

83 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:41:30pm

re: #82 EdDantes

Wanted it to happen? That is insane. Obama is a very disconnected president but I never said or even believe that he is evil. Why attribute to malice to what can more easily explained as incompetence?

What was the incompetence?

84 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:41:42pm

re: #79 William Barnett-Lewis

Let’s not get sidetracked discussing Reagan. I feel you could have said what you said differently, without the ‘he’s in Hell’. That was my point.

/Stay on Target!

85 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:41:56pm

re: #82 EdDantes

I eagerly await the explanation for how Obama is a disconnected POTUS.

86 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:42:23pm

re: #82 EdDantes

Wanted it to happen? That is insane. Obama is a very disconnected president but I never said or even believe that he is evil. Why attribute to malice to what can more easily explained as incompetence?

GOP cuts to embassy security draw scrutiny, jabs from Democrats

Democrats enacted $1.803 billion for embassy security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2010, when they still controlled the Senate and House. After Republicans took control of the House and picked up six Senate seats, Congress reduced the enacted budget to $1.616 billion in fiscal 2011, and to $1.537 billion for 2012.

The administration requested $1.801 billion for security, construction and maintenance for fiscal 2012; House Republicans countered with a proposal to cut spending to $1.425 billion. The House agreed to increase it to $1.537 billion after negotiations with the Senate.

The administration requested $1.654 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program for fiscal 2012. House Republicans proposed funding the program at $1.557 billion. Congress eventually enacted $1.591 billion after the Senate weighed in.

87 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:43:11pm

re: #83 Shvaughn

What was the incompetence?

Electing Republicans.

88 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:44:46pm

During the New Moon Zombie Reagan roams the local hills, ridding them of Nicaraguan communists and anybody who violates the CC&Rs.

89 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:46:36pm

re: #88 goddamnedfrank

During the New Moon Zombie Reagan roams the local hills, ridding them of Nicaraguan communists and anybody who violates the CC&Rs.

OK, that’s at least mildly funny and fully non-hateful. Upding.

90 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:46:37pm

re: #87 Kragar (Antichrist )

Electing Republicans.

Seriously. They’re nothing but a bunch of incompetent, idiotic obstructionists.

Both of my asshole Senators are Exhibit A of this fact.

91 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:46:39pm

I give up. Pointless.

92 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:47:32pm

re: #78 Kragar (Antichrist )

Dempsey and McCain Spar Over Benghazi

They could have scrambled everything in that hemisphere and still not have been able to respond.

That’s what never made sense about the “They called for help and none was sent” bit, that there were no troops sitting on alert, waiting for the call to come in to scramble to Benghazi. It takes time to get them all together, get their gear, get on the aircraft, and even begin the journey. Short of developing transporters in the near future, our response time to most such disasters is measured in hours or days, not minutes.

93 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:47:39pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

I give up. Pointless.

It’s okay, Ed is still on his way out or something after all.

94 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:50:19pm

re: #89 Dark_Falcon

OK, that’s at least mildly funny and fully non-hateful. Upding.

Zombie Reagan hates it when people fill up their garage with junk and then park in the driveway.

95 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:50:32pm

re: #90 Lidane

Seriously. They’re nothing but a bunch of incompetent, idiotic obstructionists.

Both of my asshole Senators are Exhibit A of this fact.

Josh Marshall was wondering aloud earlier today as to what Cruz thinks he accomplishes by being an utter prick to…well…everybody. And a reader pointed out to him that Cruz didn’t actually expect to win his seat. He expected to lose the election, using the name recognition to set himself up for the Texas AG when the present AG runs for the governorship (assuming Goodhair hangs it up after this term). So his acting like an obstructionist ass in the Senate is more about boosting his Tea Party cred for an eventual run back home than any long-term Congressional plans.

96 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:51:37pm

Getting back to SoundCloud - there are all sorts of neat things lurking around there. Here’s one I found that I particularly like:

97 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:52:37pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

Josh Marshall was wondering aloud earlier today as to what Cruz thinks he accomplishes by being an utter prick to…well…everybody. And a reader pointed out to him that Cruz didn’t actually expect to win his seat. He expected to lose the election, using the name recognition to set himself up for the Texas AG when the present AG runs for the governorship (assuming Goodhair hangs it up after this term). So his acting like an obstructionist ass in the Senate is more about boosting his Tea Party cred for an eventual run back home than any long-term Congressional plans.

That surprises me. Anyhow, he’s only been there not even two months and is already one of the Senate’s biggest jackasses.

98 gwangung  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:53:53pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

That’s what never made sense about the “They called for help and none was sent” bit, that there were no troops sitting on alert, waiting for the call to come in to scramble to Benghazi. It takes time to get them all together, get their gear, get on the aircraft, and even begin the journey. Short of developing transporters in the near future, our response time to most such disasters is measured in hours or days, not minutes.

Wow. It takes TIME to respond to an alert? It takes TIME to figure out what’s happening? It takes TIME to figure out what would effective responses? It takes TIME to match those responses to the forces available? It takes TIME to alert the troop? It takes TIME for the troops to suit up? It takes TIME for to assemble the forces? It takes TIME to get those forces to wherever the problem is?

Wow. I never knew that.

99 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:55:54pm

re: #98 gwangung

Wow. It takes TIME to respond to an alert? It takes TIME to figure out what’s happening? It takes TIME to figure out what would effective responses? It takes TIME to match those responses to the forces available? It takes TIME to alert the troop? It takes TIME for the troops to suit up? It takes TIME for to assemble the forces? It takes TIME to get those forces to wherever the problem is?

Wow. I never knew that.

Apparently it was a complete mystery to Senator McNasty…, McCain too, as he was growling at Dempsey about how Crete is 90 minutes away from Benghazi and he “knows” we could have responded in that time period.

100 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:59:09pm

So, where are all the “patriots” when it comes to this issue?

Report: Some citizens detained at immigration officials’ request

101 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 7:59:15pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Apparently it was a complete mystery to Senator McNasty…, McCain too, as he was growling at Dempsey about how Crete is 90 minutes away from Benghazi and he “knows” we could have responded in that time period.

90 minutes with what? Going to land a C-130 full of Marines in downtown Benghazi in the middle of a riot?

102 Political Atheist  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:01:44pm

re: #98 gwangung

There is this fallacious kind of argument that comes up, relates to perceived omniscience. Like as if our satellites could see whats up at all times and in all weather so anything our President fails to respond to is some plot. The assumption we could have saved the day with troops that fast falls right into that kind of argument.

103 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:02:22pm

re: #98 gwangung

Wow. It takes TIME to respond to an alert? It takes TIME to figure out what’s happening? It takes TIME to figure out what would effective responses? It takes TIME to match those responses to the forces available? It takes TIME to alert the troop? It takes TIME for the troops to suit up? It takes TIME for to assemble the forces? It takes TIME to get those forces to wherever the problem is?

Wow. I never knew that.

Science is hard!

104 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:02:45pm

re: #101 Kragar (Antichrist )

90 minutes with what? Going to land a C-130 full of Marines in downtown Benghazi in the middle of a riot?

IIRC, there was talk about a Spectre gunship being in Crete at the time, but that would be like killing a fly with a bazooka.

105 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:04:58pm

To be fair it probably should have donned on somebody that recently liberated Libya, with its national armories all pretty much emptied and the country’s supply of military weapons in rebel hands, might be really unstable. That if shit were to go down, so to speak, that it might get a lot worse there than in places with better functioning central governments.

So it was kind of a fuck up, I think the administration has pretty much admitted to that. Republicans cannot just accept that though because they convinced themselves that this was going to be the scandal that cost Obama the election. When that didn’t happen the whole thing became some kind of ideological test of faith, it morphed into an elaborate conspiracy and cover up, like Fast and Furious before it.

106 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:05:07pm

Shit happens.

107 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:05:26pm

re: #102 Political Atheist

There is this fallacious kind of argument that comes up, relates to perceived omniscience. Like as if our satellites could see whats up at all times and in all weather so anything our President fails to respond to is some plot. The assumption we could have saved the day with troops that fast falls right into that kind of argument.

These Benghazi conspiracy dipshits seem to think we have invented faster than light technology or that we have a spare TARDIS or two lying around for these things.

108 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:06:08pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

IIRC, there was talk about a Spectre gunship being in Crete at the time, but that would be like killing a fly with a bazooka.

It’s the only way to be sure.

109 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:08:02pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

IIRC, there was talk about a Spectre gunship being in Crete at the time, but that would be like killing a fly with a bazooka.

How would a gunship flying over head be able to secure the compound and save the ambassador without ground assets?

110 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:08:49pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

IIRC, there was talk about a Spectre gunship being in Crete at the time, but that would be like killing a fly with a bazooka.

Most AC-130s still don’t have precision guided munitions, and firing a 40mm Bofors gun and a 105mm howitzer into a heavily populated urban area would have resulted in significant civilian casualties, which we would have been blamed for.

And it also bears repeating that an AC-130 would have been vulnerable to the SA-24s that we had to assume the terrorists had access to. For that matter, in 1991 an AC-130 was shot down by AAA fire from the 23mm ZSU-23 twin barreled cannons that we knew the terrorists had access to.

111 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:08:50pm

re: #109 Kragar (Antichrist )

How would a gunship flying over head be able to secure the compound and save the ambassador without ground assets?

In the end more Americans would have been killed.

112 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:09:44pm

re: #109 Kragar (Antichrist )

How would a gunship flying over head be able to secure the compound and save the ambassador without ground assets?

No. That’s the great failing of airpower: It cannot take or hold ground.

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:10:00pm

re: #109 Kragar (Antichrist )

How would a gunship flying over head be able to secure the compound and save the ambassador without ground assets?

1. Send in gunship
2. Chop rioters to bits with 20mm, 40mm, and 105mm cannon fire
3. ?
4. Profit!

114 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:11:53pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

1. Send in gunship
2. Chop rioters to bits with 20mm, 40mm, and 105mm cannon fire
3. Blame Arnold Schwarzenegger for the dead civilians.
4. Profit!

Improved.

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:12:59pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Improved.

It’s not Ahnold’s fault, he told them to “get to da choppah!”

116 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:13:42pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Improved.

YOU’RE BEN RICHARDS!

117 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:13:44pm

I think a huge part of the rage was pent up over the fact that Obama was successful in involving us in the liberation of Libya without incurring one single US casualty. Then about a year later Benghazi happened and they were all “AHA MOTHERFUCKER!!!”

118 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:14:00pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

It’s not Ahnold’s fault, he told them to “get to da choppah!”

Different movie, you have failed me.

119 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:14:19pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Improved.

Step 4.5 put Arnold onto a life of death game show broadcast to millions.

Step 5 profit of raitings!

120 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:14:39pm

re: #118 Kragar (Antichrist )

Different movie, you have failed me.

Not for the last time, I hope.

//

121 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:14:44pm

Speaking of Arnold, always found it funny that Predator had two future governors in it. Don’t now of any other film that has that distinction. Not a bad movie for an action movie either honestly.

122 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:15:25pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

I think a huge part of the rage was pent up over the fact that Obama was successful in involving us in the liberation of Libya without incurring one single US casualty. Then about a year later Benghazi happened and they were all “AHA MOTHERFUCKER!!!”

Sure as hell feels that way.

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:16:16pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Arnold, always found it funny that Predator had two future governors in it. Don’t now of any other film that has that distinction. Not a bad movie for an action movie either honestly.

The Running Man as well.

124 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:16:52pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Arnold, always found it funny that Predator had two future governors in it. Don’t now of any other film that has that distinction. Not a bad movie for an action movie either honestly.

The Running Man shares that distinction. Jesse Ventura was in that one, too.

125 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:17:13pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Arnold, always found it funny that Predator had two future governors in it. Don’t now of any other film that has that distinction. Not a bad movie for an action movie either honestly.

Also “The Running Man” and “Batman and Robin.”

126 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:17:15pm

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Running Man as well.

Ah, you beat me to it.

127 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:17:21pm

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Running Man as well.

And Batman and Robin.

(Hides under a bunker)

128 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:18:34pm

re: #125 Shvaughn

Also “The Running Man” and “Batman and Robin.”

Let’s go for another. What’s Michael Biehn doing these days?

//

129 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:18:58pm

re: #125 Shvaughn

Also “The Running Man” and “Batman and Robin.”

Who was the other governor in B&R?

130 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:19:24pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Who was the other governor in B&R?

Jesse Ventura.

131 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:19:41pm

re: #127 jamesfirecat

And Batman and Robin.

(Hides under a bunker)

Who was the other governor in that one?

132 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:19:58pm

Freaky movie coincidence but my younger brother T2: Judgment Day in August of 1997 on the exact day that it was supposed to happen. I got a little freaked out honest. Still, that’s one of my favorite Sci-Fi movies ever. That and The Thing.

133 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:01pm

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Running Man as well.

First he’s sub-zero, now just plain zero!

134 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:18pm

re: #130 Shvaughn

Jesse Ventura.

Ventura was in that? Damn. My memory sucks.

135 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:31pm

re: #130 Shvaughn

Jesse Ventura.

Oh, just as a guard, not a named character.

136 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:33pm

He had a minor cameo as a guard.

Image: Jessie-Ventura-Batman-and-Robin.gif

137 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:35pm

re: #131 Kragar (Antichrist )

Who was the other governor in that one?

Jesse Ventura he played a guard in Arkham Asylum.

138 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:44pm

re: #132 HappyWarrior

Freaky movie coincidence but my younger brother T2: Judgment Day on the exact day of the Judgment Day in August 1997. I got a little freaked out honest. Still, that’s one of my favorite Sci-Fi movies ever. That and The Thing.

You need to edit that post.

139 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:20:56pm

re: #102 Political Atheist

Like as if our satellites could see whats up at all times and in all weather so anything our President fails to respond to is some plot.

Well, Obama did watch the attack in real time in the Oval Office.

/////////

140 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:21:11pm

re: #136 Shvaughn

He had a minor cameo as a guard.

Image: Jessie-Ventura-Batman-and-Robin.gif

Link did not work.

141 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:21:44pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

You need to edit that post.

Heh will do.

142 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:22:28pm

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

Link did not work.

Oh. This one work?

Image: funfeature_04.jpg

143 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:23:29pm

re: #142 Shvaughn

Oh. This one work?

Image: funfeature_04.jpg

Yes.

144 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:25:06pm

re: #83 Shvaughn

What was the incompetence?

Stephens got no help in Benghazi.

145 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:26:17pm

Second verse, same as the first

146 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:27:35pm

re: #144 EdDantes

Stephens got no help in Benghazi.

What part of “there was no help to send” don’t you get?

147 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:28:37pm

Somebody should alert the Guinness World Records people, tell ‘em we’ve got a longest flounce attempt in progress.

148 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:28:42pm

re: #144 EdDantes

Did you just completely ignore D_F and the others pointing out that there was no immediate help to give?

WTF.

149 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:28:53pm

re: #85 Lidane

I eagerly await the explanation for how Obama is a disconnected POTUS.

You missed the hearings. He made no phone calls that night and was uninterested in what was happening.

150 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:29:46pm

re: #149 EdDantes

You missed the hearings. He made no phone calls that night and was uninterested in what was happening.

I heard he even masturbated.

151 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:30:19pm

re: #149 EdDantes

You missed the hearings. He made no phone calls that night and was uninterested in what was happening.

And President Bush sat reading to children as 9/11 was happening. Yegods, do you realize how asinine this sounds?

152 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:30:35pm

Michelle Malkin has decided that she won’t take the lesson from the fate of Todd Akin:

A Colorado school has caused a stir with an advisory that suggested women could urinate or vomit to deter a rape.

The list of 10 tips by the University of Colorado at Colorado Springs was billed as “last resort” options to deter a sexual assault.

“Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating,” read one tip.

“Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone,” read another.

By Tuesday night, the list was taken down and replaced by an explanation and an apology. But it was too late.

The backlash had hit the Internet, and a hashtag on Twitter was created.

Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin was one of many who criticized the eyebrow-raising list using the hashtag #UCCSTips.

My quote differs from the CNN article in omitting a link to a story at Michelle Malkin’s website, in compliance with Charles’ wishes. I haven’t read the Twitter feed yet, and I’m not sure I will. The filth there isn’t something I want to see.

153 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:31:03pm

re: #149 EdDantes

You missed the hearings. He made no phone calls that night and was uninterested in what was happening.

While watching live video via drone-cam, according to an overwhelming number of your RWNJ brethren.

So which is it?

154 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:31:30pm

re: #145 Kragar (Antichrist )

Second verse, same as the first

A little bit DERPier and a little bit worse.

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:32:15pm

re: #147 goddamnedfrank

Somebody should alert the Guinness World Records people, tell ‘em we’ve got a longest flounce attempt in progress.

The Horribly Slow Murderer with the Extremely Inefficient Weapon by Richard Gale

156 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:33:21pm

re: #148 Lidane

Did you just completely ignore D_F and the others pointing out that there was no immediate help to give?

WTF.

No. I just got back from the grocery store. I wish Panetta and Dempsey had said that Obama was pressuring them to send aid and they explained to him that the logistics didn’t allow that.

157 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:33:47pm

I heard Obama forced the Secret Service to play 40K with him during Benghazi, and the scenario was based on Benghazi!

Is it a scandal yet?

158 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:34:28pm

re: #156 EdDantes

No. I just got back from the grocery store. I wish Panetta and Dempsey had said that Obama was pressuring them to send aid and they explained to him that the logistics didn’t allow that.

So that the meme would go from “Obama was incompetent because he didn’t call” to “Obama was incompetent because he demanded the impossible”?

159 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:35:40pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

I heard Obama forced the Secret Service to play 40K with him during Benghazi, and the scenario was based on Benghazi!

Is it a scandal yet?

What armies?

160 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:35:41pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

I heard Obama forced the Secret Service to play 40K with him during Benghazi, and the scenario was based on Benghazi!

Is it a scandal yet?

I hear Obama…. Plays Tau, the smug bastard!

161 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:35:50pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

I heard Obama forced the Secret Service to play 40K with him during Benghazi, and the scenario was based on Benghazi!

Is it a scandal yet?

And Obama played a Tau army!

162 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:36:10pm

re: #160 jamesfirecat

I hear Obama…. Plays Tau, the smug bastard!

Damn you!

163 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:36:17pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I heard he even masturbated.

If I were married to Michelle I would do the same.Thank you for bringing that up.

164 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:36:20pm

re: #157 goddamnedfrank

I heard Obama forced the Secret Service to play 40K with him during Benghazi, and the scenario was based on Benghazi!

Is it a scandal yet?

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

165 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:37:01pm

re: #163 EdDantes

If I were married to Michelle I would do the same.Thank you for bringing that up.

Oh, a Michelle joke, how original.

166 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:37:13pm

re: #163 EdDantes

OK asshole, for that ugly bit of filth you can just fuck off!

167 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:37:14pm

re: #163 EdDantes

Okay, you can piss off anytime now.

168 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:37:45pm

Longest. Flounce. EVAR.

169 Charles Johnson  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:38:03pm

Oh brother.

170 makeitstop  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:38:04pm

Yeah, now would be a good time to complete the flounce.

171 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:38:23pm

re: #164 Dark_Falcon

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Please everyone knows which chaos god Obama really worships..

Hope and change ring any bells?

172 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:39:03pm

re: #160 jamesfirecat

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Well, it would have to be the Tau with Obama, wouldn’t it? He agrees with their belief in The Greater Good after all.

//

173 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:39:14pm

re: #152 Dark_Falcon

I checked the feed out. From what I read Malkin’s were some of the lamest. She really has a difficult time with teh funny.

174 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:39:23pm

re: #168 Lidane

Longest. Flounce. EVAR.

You know, when Eddie came out as BatGuano the other day, I thought it odd and somewhat respectable to admit that, expecting that the fellow might have turned over a new leaf.

Well, we all make mistakes.

175 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:40:23pm

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

Well, it would have to be the Tau with Obama, wouldn’t it? He agrees with their belief in The Greater Good after all.

//

Also know as the one group in that series that believes in rationally understanding and improving upon technology rather than mindlessly worshiping past triumphs of ages gone by….


//

176 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:41:45pm

re: #171 jamesfirecat

Please everyone knowswhich chaos god Obama really worships..

Hope and change ring any bells?

No, the Tau don’t register enough in the Immaterium yet to have drawn Tzeentch’s attention.

I was more thinking the Al Qaeda terrorists as the Khorne cultists.

177 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:42:07pm

re: #161 goddamnedfrank

And Obama played a Tau army!

FUCKING HELL!

178 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:43:22pm

re: #91 Charles Johnson

I give up. Pointless.

Sounds like a demotivational poster despair inc.

179 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:43:45pm

This is me, trolling through a Warhammer wiki reading up on deities.

*sigh*

180 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:44:00pm

re: #175 jamesfirecat

Also know as the one group in that series that believes in rationally understanding and improving upon technology rather than mindlessly worshiping past triumphs of ages gone by….

//

And carting off entire planetary populations to detainment camps to sterilize them for being undesirables, and wholesale brainwashing of alien species…

181 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:44:27pm

re: #179 Lidane

This is me, trolling through a Warhammer wiki reading up on deities.

*sigh*

All my nightly posts, gone to nothing.
/

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:45:00pm

re: #179 Lidane

This is me, trolling through a Warhammer wiki reading up on deities.

*sigh*

I now know what it feels like when I talk at length about Star Trek to non-fans.

183 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:45:35pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

No, the Tau don’t register enough in the Immaterium yet to have drawn Tzeentch’s attention.

I was more thinking the Al Qaeda terrorists as the Khorne cultists.

I don’t know, the 72 virgins sound like Slaanesh and Daemonettes to me.

184 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:45:42pm

re: #163 EdDantes

Didn’t you just say “I despise hatefulness?”

185 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:46:14pm

re: #179 Lidane

This is me, trolling through a Warhammer wiki reading up on deities.

*sigh*

Is not that hard there are only four of then at least four important ones.

Khorn the angry one.

Tz,,, can’t spell the rest of it the smart one.

Slanesh the sexy/squirmy one.

And Nurgal the fat one.

See its easy….

At least until you bring all the eldar gods into it though there are only two of those left alive, three if you count one who has been shattered into a. Bunch of really small pieces….

And then of coure you have the C’htan….

186 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:48:17pm

re: #180 Kragar (Antichrist )

And carting off entire planetary populations to detainment camps to sterilize them for being undesirables, and wholesale brainwashing of alien species…

They have to at least make an effort to fit into 40K.

I heard that Obama painted up a bunch of Kroot, but refuses to deploy them.

187 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:48:23pm

re: #180 Kragar (Antichrist )

And carting off entire planetary populations to detainment camps to sterilize them for being undesirables, and wholesale brainwashing of alien species…

Being undesirables? Those humans on Kronus actively rebelled against the Tau Empire, and at strealization is a hell of a lot better than you would get from the imperium of man under similar circumstances!

188 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:48:24pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Hilariously, I beta tested WAR and even played it for a few months. I had fun with it, especially my Warrior Priest and my Witch Elf.

Never did learn much in the way of Warhammer myths, though.

189 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:48:30pm

re: #185 jamesfirecat

Is not that hard there are only four of then at least four important ones.

Khorn the angry one.

Tz,,, can’t spell the rest of it the smart one.

Slanesh the sexy/squirmy one.

And Nurgal the fat one.

See its easy….

At least until you bring all the eldar gods into it though there are only two of those left alive, three if you count one who has been shattered into a. Bunch of really small pieces….

And then of coure you have the C’htan….

Khorne, ends with an E
Tzeentch
Slaanesh, 2 As
Nurgle, no A, one E

C’tan have no presence in the immaterium, and have also been retconned into a shadow of their former power.

190 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:48:49pm

re: #183 Kragar (Antichrist )

I don’t know, the 72 virgins sound like Slaanesh and Daemonettes to me.

I have never met a Slaanesh worshiper who was a virgin.

191 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:49:06pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

OK asshole, for that ugly bit of filth you can just fuck off!

Goddamddamnedfrank brought it up. Blame him for lowering the level of discourse. And you’re outrage has been duly noted by the other lizards on this site.

192 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:49:13pm

re: #185 jamesfirecat

Is not that hard there are only four of then at least four important ones.

Khorn the angry one.

Tz,,, can’t spell the rest of it the smart one.

Slanesh the sexy/squirmy one.

And Nurgal the fat one.

See its easy….

At least until you bring all the eldar gods into it though there are only two of those left alive, three if you count one who has been shattered into a. Bunch of really small pieces….

And then of coure you have the C’htan….

I prefer the Klingon views on religion, namely they have none because Klingon warriors slew their gods, on account of them being more trouble than they were worth.

193 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:50:25pm

re: #187 jamesfirecat

Being undesirables? Those humans on Kronus actively rebelled against the Tau Empire, and at strealization is a hell of a lot better than you would get from the imperium of man under similar circumstances!

Hey, the Iron Hands only killed off 1 out of every 3 citizens on a planet which rebelled, but didn’t sterilize them. You can’t get more fair than that.
/

194 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:50:42pm

re: #189 Kragar (Antichrist )

Khorne, ends with an E
Tzeentch
Slaanesh, 2 As
Nurgle, no A, one E

C’tan have no presence in the immaterium, and have also been retconned into a shadow of their former power.

Oh look at you insisting that they have to be spelled a certain way, chaos takes many forms!
/

195 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:51:11pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

Okay, you can piss off anytime now.

That was so eloquent I up dinged you.

196 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:52:22pm

re: #193 Kragar (Antichrist )

Hey, the Iron Hands only killed off 1 out of every 3 citizens on a planet which rebelled, but didn’t sterilize them. You can’t get more fair than that.
/

Also said sterilization is clearly non cannon anyway because the Tau lost the Dark Crusade campaign so it’s not like you can extrapolate that on event that never even happened into some sort of empire wide policy.

197 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:52:33pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I prefer the Klingon views on religion, namely they have none because Klingon warriors slew their gods, on account of them being more trouble than they were worth.

I liked the Hitchhiker’s Guide view on God:

Heh.

198 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:52:35pm

re: #168 Lidane

Longest. Flounce. EVAR.

I think. I heard. This. Before.

199 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:52:43pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

Oh look at you insisting that they have to be spelled a certain way, chaos takes many forms!
/

Don’t blame me, I’d be running a Mechanicus army if they ever break down and finally make an official one.

200 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:53:37pm

re: #191 EdDantes

Goddamddamnedfrank brought it up. Blame him for lowering the level of discourse. And you’re outrage has been duly noted by the other lizards on this site.

Ronald Reagan is Ronald Reagan. In fact, I don’t share the view that many of my fellow liberals have about him. Perhaps it’s my nihilism. I was depressed during the 8 years of his presidency. So I typically ignore it as much as I do when people call Bush and company war criminals. I draw the line on family however. Regardless of party. I would not accept that kind of language about Michelle Obama and neither would I accept that kind of language about Nancy Reagan.

201 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:53:41pm

re: #195 EdDantes

That was so eloquent I up dinged you.

Why did you come back, BatGuano?

Why haven’t you left yet?

202 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:53:54pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I prefer the Klingon views on religion, namely they have none because Klingon warriors slew their gods, on account of them being more trouble than they were worth.

Which is why I run Night Lords.

“Demons? Gods? Who the fuck cares? Let kill somebody.”

203 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:54:22pm

re: #186 goddamnedfrank

They have to at least make an effort to fit into 40K.

I heard that Obama painted up a bunch of Kroot, but refuses to deploy them.

Yet more proof of his anti-colonial mindset!

204 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:55:21pm

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

OK asshole, for that ugly bit of filth you can just fuck off!

I updinged you too.

205 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:55:27pm

re: #203 jamesfirecat

Yet more proof of his anti-colonial mindset!

Which is ironic given the Tau’s methodology.

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:55:31pm

re: #185 jamesfirecat

Is not that hard there are only four of then at least four important ones.

Khorn the angry one.

Tz,,, can’t spell the rest of it the smart one.

Slanesh the sexy/squirmy one.

And Nurgal the fat one.

See its easy….

At least until you bring all the eldar gods into it though there are only two of those left alive, three if you count one who has been shattered into a. Bunch of really small pieces….

And then of coure you have the C’htan….

Well, the one who was shattered was a war god, and those who follow his avatars might well end up following Khorne if they aren’t careful. The Eldar goddess of fertility and growth was captured by Slaanesh, but Nurgle captured her from Slaanesh. Nurgle said he did it out of pity, but I’d say he really did it to ‘keep the balance’, since without birth and growth there is no decay and death.

Only the Eldar’s Trickster Good is still an independent force in the 40K universe.

And on the list of Deities, one would be wise not to forget the Emperor of Mankind. The Inquisition would most displeased if you did such a thing.

207 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:57:38pm

Didn’t Ed here whine about (non-existent) socialism on election night?

209 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:58:17pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

And on the list of Deities, one would be wise not to forget the Emperor of Mankind. The Inquisition would most displeased if you did such a thing.

Which is even more ironic considering the Empire was originally founded on completely secular beliefs and was militantly opposed to any type of religion.

210 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:58:18pm

I am always torn between depression and entertainment to see resistance to reality played out right in front of me.

211 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:59:00pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

Why did you come back, BatGuano?

Why haven’t you left yet?

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

212 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:59:18pm

re: #205 Kragar (Antichrist )

Which is ironic given the Tau’s methodology.

Given the crowded nature of the galaxy they found themselves in when they developed FTL capability, the only choices for the Tau if they wanted to expand were colonialism or genocide. What makes the Tau “least evil” is that they very much prefer the former to the latter.

213 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 8:59:19pm

I heard that Hillary mostly runs Grotz, for the lulz.

214 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:00:14pm

re: #209 Kragar (Antichrist )

Which is even more ironic considering the Empire was originally founded on completely secular beliefs and was militantly opposed to any type of religion.

Very true.

215 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:00:47pm

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

Then you must love yourself, boyo.

216 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:00:48pm

re: #207 122 Year Old Obama

Didn’t Ed here whine about (non-existent) socialism on election night?

I did observe that The One was a socialist.

217 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:01:07pm

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

Yes, we understand the basis for your personal belief system, but that doesn’t answer why you’re here. Still. After you said you’d leave.

218 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:01:42pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Then you must love yourself, boyo.

Good one! Another upding!

219 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:01:48pm

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

You represent those, you mean. After all, you’re the dweeb who ‘confessed’ to being a mere sockpuppet of your former self recently.

220 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:03:56pm

re: #216 EdDantes

I did observe that The One was a socialist.

LOL.

221 122 Year Old Obama  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:04:03pm

re: #216 EdDantes

I did observe that The One was a socialist.

Spoken like someone who doesn’t even know what socialism is.

222 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:04:08pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

What makes the Tau “least evil” is that they very much prefer the former to the latter.

Or so their marketing campaign would have you believe …

223 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:04:20pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Given the crowded nature of the galaxy they found themselves in when they developed FTL capability, the only choices for the Tau if they wanted to expand were colonialism or genocide. What makes the Tau “least evil” is that they very much prefer the former to the latter.

You also have to take into account the Tau also are severely casualty averse and prefer nonviolent solutions, such as brainwashing, economic warfare, pheromone manipulation and other methods.

224 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:05:19pm

re: #221 122 Year Old Obama

Spoken like someone who doesn’t even know what socialism is.

Here is a general reference guide…

Tau- yes.


Modern Democratic Party -no.

225 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:06:20pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

Or so their marketing campaign would have you believe …

Please they are the only race in the galaxy that will actually offer you the chance to join them rather than just destroying you /your planet on a whim because you look the wrong way or worship the wrong thing.

226 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:06:43pm

re: #216 EdDantes

dipshit. I am a card carrying socialist. Go to [Link: www.DSAUSA.org…] if you have the balls.

The president is many things. But a center-right democrat will never be a Socialist.

227 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:07:17pm

re: #216 EdDantes

I did observe that The One was a socialist.

This is equally annoying as some of the people I see calling him a corporatist.

228 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:08:42pm

Huzzah! I now remember the two deities my characters worshipped in WAR. The Witch Elf was a Khaine fangirl and the Warrior Priest was all about Sigmar. My time trolling this Warhammer wiki has not been wasted. Heh.

229 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:09:28pm

re: #225 jamesfirecat

Please they are the only race in the galaxy that will actually offer you the chance to join them rather than just destroying you /your planet on a whim because you look the wrong way or worship the wrong thing.

Sure, but then they cut your nuts off.

At least Orks iz honest.

230 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:09:38pm

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

re: #216 EdDantes

I did observe that The One was a socialist.

I feel it is important to highlight these two statements in conjunction.

231 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:09:58pm

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy and intellectual dishonesty.

Doesn’t “hippocracy” mean “rule by horses”?

232 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:10:56pm

re: #231 Shvaughn

Doesn’t “hippocracy” mean “rule by horses”?

Maybe that’s why we all should have voted for Romney? Dressage for all!

233 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:11:20pm

re: #231 Shvaughn

Doesn’t “hippocracy” mean “rule by horses”?

What’s the word for ‘ruled by the back end of a horse’?

234 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:11:21pm

re: #225 jamesfirecat

Please they are the only race in the galaxy that will actually offer you the chance to join them rather than just destroying you /your planet on a whim because you look the wrong way or worship the wrong thing.

You’re forgetting the Interex and the Diasporex.

235 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:11:38pm

re: #232 klys

Maybe that’s why we all should have voted for Romney? Dressage for all!

Only if all the horses are the right height.

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:12:30pm

re: #232 klys

Maybe that’s why we all should have voted for Romney? Dressage for all!

It depends. Are the Horses complainers who want “free stuff”?

237 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:13:00pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Sure, but then they cut your nuts off.

At least Orks iz honest.

“The Orks are the pinnacle of creation. For them, the great struggle is won. They have evolved a society which knows no stress or angst. Who are we to judge them? We Eldar who have failed, or the Humans, on the road to ruin in their turn? And why? Because we sought answers to questions that an Ork wouldn’t even bother to ask! We see a culture that is strong and despise it as crude.” - Uthan the Perverse, Eldar philosopher

238 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:13:05pm

Obama is a Democrat. Many of the programs he’s working with have survived almost 8 years of Nixon, 8 years of Ronald Reagan, 4 years of George H.W. Bush, and 8 years of George W. Bush.

239 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:13:10pm

re: #229 goddamnedfrank

Sure, but then they cut your nuts off.

At least Orks iz honest.

Honestly the only example of sterilizing people that the Tau are involved in is in their end of Dark Crusade which it is not confirmed, is told to us through an imperial scribe who is not the most unbiased of sources, would have been done to a population that rebelled openly against them, and is all non cannon anyway because the Tau lost the Dark Crusade.

People need to stop harping on it.

240 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:13:14pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

What’s the word for ‘ruled by the back end of a horse’?

.”Bush Administration.”

241 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:13:22pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Are the Horses complainers who want “free stuff”?

The 47% that are the wrong height, yes.

242 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:14:23pm

Those “socialistic” federal highways were also brought to you by Dwight D. Eisenhower.

243 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:15:34pm

I heard that Mitt Romney runs ‘Crons that underlings paint for him, and plays for pink slips.

244 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:15:50pm

re: #242 Gus

Those “socialistic” federal highways were also brought to you by Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Let’s not forget that communist program of rural electrification. ZOMG SOSHULISM!

245 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:16:42pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

Honestly the only example of sterilizing people that the Tau are involved in is in their end of Dark Crusade which it is not confirmed, is told to us through an imperial scribe who is not the most unbiased of sources, would have been done to a population that rebelled openly against them, and is all non cannon anyway because the Tau lost the Dark Crusade.

People need to stop harping on it.

LIES!

[Link: warhammer40k.wikia.com…]

There have also been reports that the Tau have begun to take a tougher line against some human colony worlds, sterilising their populations so that the human population will die out and leave the worlds open for full Tau colonisation. This policy was known to have been carried out following the Tau conquest of the desert mining world of Taros.

246 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:16:44pm

re: #231 Shvaughn

Doesn’t “hippocracy” mean “rule by horses”?

Indeed, I admit to a misspelling.

247 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:17:01pm

I forget, what falls under the heading of socialism these days? Is it all spending except for defense spending?

I can’t keep the talking points straight…

248 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:17:03pm

re: #243 goddamnedfrank

I heard that Mitt Romney runs ‘Crons that underlings paint for him, and plays for pink slips.

Please Mitt Romney plays Ultra Marines, because he’s the best and everyone else should have to lookup to him because of what he was born into.

249 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:17:07pm

All kidding aside, the Tau really are super gay.

250 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:17:08pm

Frankly every president has done something that if you were to really look at it could be construed as socialistic. This is probably why we’re seeing a bunch of Coolidge revisionism now. There’s a new biography of him out which lionizes him.

251 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:18:10pm

re: #248 jamesfirecat

Please Mitt Romney plays Ultra Marines, because he’s the best and everyone else should have to lookup to him because of what he was born into.

Sounds like an Eldar to me.

252 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:18:40pm

re: #246 EdDantes

Indeed, I admit to a misspelling.

I’m gonna upding you for admitting it.

“Hippocracy” is funny though.

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:18:47pm

re: #247 klys

I forget, what falls under the heading of socialism these days? Is it all spending except for defense spending?

I can’t keep the talking points straight…

From what I understand, spending on social programs is socialistic but Romney proposing massive increases in defense spending is fine. Funny how “big government” is always social programs but never defense waste. Surely, that’s a coincidence.

254 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:20:05pm

re: #245 Kragar (Antichrist )

LIES!

[Link: warhammer40k.wikia.com…]

Matt Ward is responsible for this somehow, I know it…..

255 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:20:30pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

From what I understand, spending on social programs is socialistic but Romney proposing massive increases in defense spending is fine. Funny how “big government” is always social programs but never defense waste. Surely, that’s a coincidence.

There was a phrase earlier that feels relevant here. I think it was something like “intellectual dishonesty”? Surely the Republican party wouldn’t embrace something like that…

//

256 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:20:32pm

re: #242 Gus

Those “socialistic” federal highways were also brought to you by Dwight D. Eisenhower.

Highways are in the constitution. They are referred to as “post roads.” Article 1 section 8.

257 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:20:55pm

re: #254 jamesfirecat

Matt Ward is responsible for this somehow, I know it…..

If you say his name 5 times over a gaming table…

258 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:21:05pm

re: #223 Kragar (Antichrist )

You also have to take into account the Tau also are severely casualty averse and prefer nonviolent solutions, such as brainwashing, economic warfare, pheromone manipulation and other methods.

Indeed. The only time the Tau have truly gone all-out was against the Tyrannids, and that only because with the Tyrannids its strictly “destroy them or be eaten by them”.

259 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:21:09pm

re: #251 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sounds like an Eldar to me.

No beacuse Eldar also have a sense that their race is in decline and that they fucked things up in the world and are trying to make it better, even if they chiefly do so by being manipulating dicks.

260 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:21:34pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Frankly every president has done something that if you were to really look at it could be construed as socialistic. This is probably why we’re seeing a bunch of Coolidge revisionism now. There’s a new biography of him out which lionizes him.

One of the few things that Coolidge understood was the idea that it was better for him to be silent and be thought an idiot than to open his mouth and prove he was one.

261 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:21:45pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

Sitting here reading this thread, knowing absolutely nothing about what the hell any of you are talking about, I’m going to await Kragar the antichrist’s reply.

I should probably just go to bed.

262 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:21:57pm

re: #249 goddamnedfrank

All kidding aside, the Tau really are super gay.

Well then I’ll just take my infantry mount twin linked 10-1 attacks and go home.

263 klys  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:14pm

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

One of the few things that Coolidge understood was the idea that it was better for him to be silent and be thought an idiot than to open his mouth and prove he was one.

I find this is sound advice for anyone, president or not.

264 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:35pm

re: #256 EdDantes

Highways are in the constitution. They are referred to as “post roads.” Article 1 section 8.

Then it appears that our constitution has a form of socialism.

All forms of government have a form of socialism. On the extreme end it was the Nazis and the Soviets. A Republican Party based government would retain current American elements of what can be perceived as socialism. It’s not like they would take over in 2016 and eliminate Social Security.

265 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:38pm

re: #250 HappyWarrior

Frankly every president has done something that if you were to really look at it could be construed as socialistic.

By the standards of today’s GOP, Nixon was a goddamn pinko. Instituted wage and price controls, took us off the gold standard, signed the Clean Air and Clean Water acts, signed Title IX, created both OSHA and the EPA, went to China, etc.

Never mind the fact that he was a cruel, vindictive bastard. He couldn’t get out of the primaries today.

266 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:44pm

re: #259 jamesfirecat

No beacuse Eldar also have a sense that their race is in decline and that they fucked things up in the world and are trying to make it better, even if they chiefly do so by being manipulating dicks.

Not those asshats from Biel-Tan.

267 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:46pm

re: #251 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sounds like an Eldar to me.

Not really. He’s old and wealthy, but he is not haunted as the Eldar are, always careful lest Slaanesh should devour their souls.

268 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:59pm

re: #262 jamesfirecat

Well then I’ll just take my infantry mount twin linked 10-1 attacks and go home.

‘Nids are arguably worse because they have no real personality at all.

269 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:22:59pm

re: #257 Kragar (Antichrist )

If you say his name 5 times over a gaming table…

He will appear and berate you for not playing Ultra Marines.

270 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:23:19pm

re: #265 Lidane

By the standards of today’s GOP, Nixon was a goddamn pinko. Instituted wage and price controls, took us off the gold standard, signed the Clean Air and Clean Water acts, signed Title IX, created both OSHA and the EPA, went to China, etc.

Never mind the fact that he was a cruel, vindictive bastard. He couldn’t get out of the primaries today.

Precisely.

271 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:23:54pm

re: #261 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

Sitting here reading this thread, knowing absolutely nothing about what the hell any of you are talking about, I’m going to await the Kragar the antichrist’s reply.

I should probably just go to bed.

No, the Tau are super gay.

I enjoyed ripping them apart with Space Wolves.

OUTFLANKING THUNDERWOLVES FTW!

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:24:08pm

re: #264 Gus

Them it appears that our constitution has a form of socialism.

All forms of government have a form of socialism. On the extreme end it was the Nazis and the Soviets. A Republican Party based government would retain current American elements of what can be perceived as socialism. It’s not like they would take over in 2016 and eliminate Social Security.

Well, they might try. But the horde of pitchforks & torches out of Florida would be an amazing thing to see…

273 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:24:14pm

re: #267 Dark_Falcon

Not really. He’s old and wealthy, but he is not haunted as the Eldar are, always careful lest Slaanesh should devour their souls.

So Dark Eldar then.

274 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:24:45pm

re: #260 William Barnett-Lewis

One of the few things that Coolidge understood was the idea that it was better for him to be silent and be thought an idiot than to open his mouth and prove he was one.

Yeah heh. I blame Coolidge more for the depression than I do Hoover honestly. Hoover was in part at the wrong place at the wrong time. And unlike Coolidge, I wouldn’t say Hoover was a bad guy. Perhaps a little stuck in his ways but Coolidge seemed to have little compassion for anyone.

275 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:24:52pm

re: #268 goddamnedfrank

‘Nids are arguably worse because they have no real personality at all.

What part of OMNOMNOM did you not understand?

276 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:25:48pm

re: #273 Kragar (Antichrist )

So Dark Eldar then.

No, because even dark eldar are still hunted by she who thirsts, they just seek to throw skler off their trail by causing as much pains and suffering around them as possible like some sort of ethereal chaff…

277 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:25:48pm

re: #265 Lidane

By the standards of today’s GOP, Nixon was a goddamn pinko. Instituted wage and price controls, took us off the gold standard, signed the Clean Air and Clean Water acts, signed Title IX, created both OSHA and the EPA, went to China, etc.

Never mind the fact that he was a cruel, vindictive bastard. He couldn’t get out of the primaries today.

Nixon was pragmatic, despite all the negative connotations that word has received in recent years. But most of the “good” presidents have been, pushing ideology where they could succeed and accepting compromise where they couldn’t.

278 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:25:50pm

One thing I think we can all agree on.

Psykers would kick a Jedi’s pansy ass.

279 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:26:16pm

re: #264 Gus

Them it appears that our constitution has a form of socialism.

All forms of government have a form of socialism. On the extreme end it was the Nazis and the Soviets. A Republican Party based government would retain current American elements of what can be perceived as socialism. It’s not like they would take over in 2016 and eliminate Social Security.

Yep, really, this is why I resent the TP and the current right. They act like before Obama became president that we were somehow a purely capitalistic economy. The real debate over the years has not been socialism versus capitalism within this country but rather the degree.

280 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:26:31pm

re: #252 Shvaughn

I’m gonna upding you for admitting it.

“Hippocracy” is funny though.

Yes, it is funny. Thank you for recognizing that. “Rule by horses”re: #231 Shvaughn

281 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:26:38pm

re: #278 Kragar (Antichrist )

One thing I think we can all agree on.

Psykers would kick a Jedi’s pansy ass.

Before or after someone invoked the word “midichlorians”?

*ducks*

282 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:27:19pm

re: #274 HappyWarrior

Yeah heh. I blame Coolidge more for the depression than I do Hoover honestly. Hoover was in part at the wrong place at the wrong time. And unlike Coolidge, I wouldn’t say Hoover was a bad guy. Perhaps a little stuck in his ways but Coolidge seemed to have little compassion for anyone.

I regret that I have but one upding for this important historical understanding.

283 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:27:44pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Yep, really, this is why I resent the TP and the current right. They act like before Obama became president that we were somehow a purely capitalistic economy. The real debate over the years has not been socialism versus capitalism within this country but rather the degree.

Reminds of a rather infamous Churchill quote as to having established what we are, and now are simply negotiating the price.

284 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:28:09pm

re: #271 Kragar (Antichrist )

No, the Tau are super gay.

I enjoyed ripping them apart with Space Wolves.

OUTFLANKING THUNDERWOLVES FTW!

You know space wolves feel great shame about how they do not religiously follow the teachings of Roboute Guilliman are fucking awesome.

285 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:28:43pm

re: #278 Kragar (Antichrist )

One thing I think we can all agree on.

Psykers would kick a Jedi’s pansy ass.

Unless their head suddenly explodes…

286 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:05pm

re: #231 Shvaughn

Doesn’t “hippocracy” mean “rule by horses”?

i updinged you you magnificent bastard!

287 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:14pm

Jedi Mind Tricks:

“These aren’t the droids you are looking for.”

Psyker mind tricks:

“SHOW YOURSELVES!” then shoots the gunmen who steps out of cover.

288 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:28pm

re: #277 Targetpractice

Nixon was pragmatic, despite all the negative connotations that word has received in recent years. But most of the “good” presidents have been, pushing ideology where they could succeed and accepting compromise where they couldn’t.

I really think if not for Watergate and having a shitty disposition, Nixon would be remembered differently. We want to like our presidents. We love Lincoln’s folksiness, FDR’s optimism, JFK’s hopes for the future, Reagan’s sunniness, and Clinton’s empathy. Nixon was a smart guy, perhaps one of the smartest men ever to be president but he really lacked some of the traits that people really like in a leader. I’m always amazed that despite this, he still managed to be on a presidential ticket five times which is the record along with FDR for a person running on a major party ticket.

289 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:36pm

re: #285 jamesfirecat

Unless their head suddenly explodes…

Well, sure there is that chance.

290 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:37pm

Good night all.

291 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:29:57pm

Image: minozjrz-4.jpg

That’s ‘graffiti’ in a Juarez skatepark. A preliminary sketch included a pipe and some smoke. And a propeller beanie.

Image: minozjrz-1.jpg

292 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:30:07pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

Yep, really, this is why I resent the TP and the current right. They act like before Obama became president that we were somehow a purely capitalistic economy. The real debate over the years has not been socialism versus capitalism within this country but rather the degree.

Look at the corporations that rely on this ad-hoc socialism. Airlines, maritime, mining, oil, petroleum, etc. A lot of research and development that’s done at public universities. Even pro-football is part of the deal.

293 jamesfirecat  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:32:30pm

re: #289 Kragar (Antichrist )

Well, sure there is that chance.

Talking about people’s heads exploding reminds me of the my little pony warhammer 40 spacemareine rpg game I played at Origins last year where the orks where amazed that there was no chance receiving a letting from Princess Celestial night cause Spike’s head to explode.

294 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:32:33pm

re: #288 HappyWarrior

I really think if not for Watergate and having a shitty disposition, Nixon would be remembered differently. We want to like our presidents. We love Lincoln’s folksiness, FDR’s optimism, JFK’s hopes for the future, Reagan’s sunniness, and Clinton’s empathy. Nixon was a smart guy, perhaps one of the smartest men ever to be president but he really lacked some of the traits that people really like in a leader. I’m always amazed that despite this, he still managed to be on a presidential ticket five times which is the record along with FDR for a person running on a major party ticket.

It’s questionable if Nixon would ever have been president were it not for the Civil Right Act and the subsequent spike in fear amongst the Southern white populace that gave rise to the “Southern Strategy.” To quote General Taylor:

“Bullshit! I know Nixon personally. He lugs a trainload of shit behind him that could fertilize the Sinai. Why, I wouldn’t buy an apple from the son of a bitch and I consider him a good, close, personal friend. “

295 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:32:39pm

re: #292 Gus

Look at the corporations that rely on this ad-hoc socialism. Airlines, maritime, mining, oil, petroleum, etc. A lot of research and development that’s done at public universities. Even pro-football is part of the deal.

Yep and we think nothing of it by and large outside of purer than thou libertarians who think the solution is just to privatize everything and hope for the best.

296 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:32:45pm

The Force: “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”

Psykers: “Picture a door. Behind that door is every nightmare ever dreamed, every torture ever inflicted, and the power to reshape and destroy worlds. Now, place that door inside your head. That is what it means to be a Psyker.”

Jedis? HA!

297 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:33:20pm

Huh, the bottom posts are all EdDantes. Imagine that.

298 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:34:03pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

Yet, he created the EPA.

299 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:34:33pm

re: #291 wrenchwench

Image: minozjrz-4.jpg

That’s ‘graffiti’ in a Juarez skatepark. A preliminary sketch included a pipe and some smoke. And a propeller beanie.

Image: minozjrz-1.jpg

The visual effect is just incredible.

300 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:36:00pm

re: #297 Shvaughn

Huh, the bottom posts are all EdDantes. Imagine that.

I am in disbelief.

301 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:36:29pm

re: #296 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Force: “The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It’s an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together.”

Psykers: “Picture a door. Behind that door is every nightmare ever dreamed, every torture ever inflicted, and the power to reshape and destroy worlds. Now, place that door inside your head. That is what it means to be a Psyker.”

Jedis? HA!

And the worst part: Without warning, one of the Ruinous Powers on the other side of that door may find the key to it. And if they do they’ll turn you into a monster, regardless of whether you want to come one.

302 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:36:49pm

re: #300 EdDantes

Go to bed already.

303 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:37:41pm

re: #298 prairiefire

Yet, he created the EPA.

He did so reluctantly. Still a good deed but Nixon’s environmental initiatives differed from this health care ones which I think did come from a sincere desire to help the poor and sick. Remember he was a poor kid himself and had lost two brothers to TB. I really can never understand Nixon though. Read a review of a new book about him and Eisenhower, and the reviewer points out that Nixon was praised heavily by MLK and Jackie Robinson for his work on Civil Rights as VP. But then of course he later embraced the Southern Strategy and you can hear on the Nixon tapes him saying some less than flattering things about African Americans. I wish I could figure the man out. He fascinates me because I see a human side to him beyond the image of him.

304 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:38:37pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

And the worst part: Without warning, one of the Ruinous Powers on the other side of that door may find the key to it. And if they do they’ll turn you into a monster, regardless of whether you want to come one.

Well, that is where the soul binding and other training techniques come in. Plus there is always the Emperor’s Mercy.

305 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:38:51pm

re: #298 prairiefire

Yet, he created the EPA.

Consider that the year before that had seen what then was the largest oil spill in US waters and the Cuyahoga River catching fire due to all the pollution dumped into it. For Nixon to have come out against such legislation would have been hazardous to his reelection.

306 EdDantes  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:39:13pm

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Go to bed already.

Thank you. I will be here all the week.

307 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:42:13pm

re: #306 EdDantes

Thank you. I will be here all the week.

I liked this one better:

re: #290 EdDantes

Good night all.

308 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:42:49pm

Wish I had that Nixon term paper I wrote. Alas it’s on my old laptop whose cord I can’t locate. Anyhow. Here’s another part of Nixon’s domestic legacy that doesn’t get much talk but he did a lot for Native American tribes. One tribal leader even went to call him the Native American Lincoln for the things he did. I’d have to look at the paper for specifics. I really do feel that while Nixon had flaws, I think his greatest was that he just didn’t like or trust people. That’s a fatal quality in a leader especially a democratic one.

309 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:43:19pm

re: #303 HappyWarrior

He did so reluctantly. Still a good deed but Nixon’s environmental initiatives differed from this health care ones which I think did come from a sincere desire to help the poor and sick. Remember he was a poor kid himself and had lost two brothers to TB. I really can never understand Nixon though. Read a review of a new book about him and Eisenhower, and the reviewer points out that Nixon was praised heavily by MLK and Jackie Robinson for his work on Civil Rights as VP. But then of course he later embraced the Southern Strategy and you can hear on the Nixon tapes him saying some less than flattering things about African Americans. I wish I could figure the man out. He fascinates me because I see a human side to him beyond the image of him.

Nixon is a weird edge case for everyone. When I’m in a good mood about him, I like to remember the sequence from “Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail: 1972” where he & HST talk about the NFL because politics is off limits. They had a good talk…

310 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:43:50pm

re: #307 wrenchwench

I liked this one better:

re: #290 EdDantes

I will now email Iceweasel and tell her to downding that comment.

//

311 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:45:54pm
312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:46:24pm

re: #309 William Barnett-Lewis

Nixon is a weird edge case for everyone. When I’m in a good mood about him, I like to remember the sequence from “Fear & Loathing on the Campaign Trail: 1972” where he & HST talk about the NFL because politics is off limits. They had a good talk…

Yeah, I see the human side to Nixon. I had to read his memoirs for the paper I mentioned. It was hard not to be moved when he talked about the sorrow of losing two of his brothers to TB. My great grandfather’s first wife died of TB. But then I think about things like the Southern Strategy, expanding the Vietnam War, and the coup in CHile that resulted in Pinochet getting in power.

313 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:48:53pm

Anyone else here a fan of Schlock Mercenary?

Know what a challenge coin is?

There’s a kickstarter for a Tagon’s Toughs coin now…

[Link: www.kickstarter.com…]

Yes, I have already wasted some money on said trinket… ;) Hoo-ah!

314 prairiefire  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:50:09pm

re: #306 EdDantes

Thank you. I will be here all the week.

I think he’s a sock from the swamp.

315 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:50:51pm

re: #314 prairiefire

I think he’s a sock from the swamp.

Or auditioning for them.

316 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:50:57pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Wish I had that Nixon term paper I wrote. Alas it’s on my old laptop whose cord I can’t locate. Anyhow. Here’s another part of Nixon’s domestic legacy that doesn’t get much talk but he did a lot for Native American tribes. One tribal leader even went to call him the Native American Lincoln for the things he did. I’d have to look at the paper for specifics. I really do feel that while Nixon had flaws, I think his greatest was that he just didn’t like or trust people. That’s a fatal quality in a leader especially a democratic one.

Nixon’s personality was one that, if he were a politician today, would probably best be described as a persecution complex. Convinced that everybody automatically assumes the worst of him and so assuming the worst of them in response. Going through life thinking that everybody is against him, is going to trick and deceive him, and that he has to be smarter or meaner than them to prevail. Problem was, it was a self-fulfilling prophecy, as his stand-offish and brutal personality made others assume the worst about him.

317 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:51:13pm

re: #308 HappyWarrior

Wish I had that Nixon term paper I wrote. Alas it’s on my old laptop whose cord I can’t locate. Anyhow. Here’s another part of Nixon’s domestic legacy that doesn’t get much talk but he did a lot for Native American tribes. One tribal leader even went to call him the Native American Lincoln for the things he did. I’d have to look at the paper for specifics. I really do feel that while Nixon had flaws, I think his greatest was that he just didn’t like or trust people. That’s a fatal quality in a leader especially a democratic one.

That and he couldn’t get a fairly simple group of bribes paid. If it had been Mitt Romney, he’d only have had to find out how much was needed, then set his financial lackeys. No one would ever know where the bribe money came from.

318 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:51:29pm

Edwin Muskie:

He could convince Senator Jim Buckley to cosponsor the 1972 Clean Water Act. Buckley came to understand the relationship between his conservative political philosophy and the concept of conservation under Muskie’s tutelage. As a result, he became an articulate supporter of the landmark 1972 Clean Water Act. As Buckley said: “I know of no situation in private life where a newcomer would have been accorded greater consideration, or where differences of opinion would have been given a fairer hearing than that which was characteristic of both the Committee on Public Works and its Subcommittee on Air and Water Pollution. I feel particularly fortunate to be a member of both and to have been able to work with the two chairmen and the committee staff, who have made so great an effort to accommodate differences of approach to common objectives.”

Jim Buckley. Member of the Conservative Party of New York at that time. Later he became a Republican. Brother to William F. Buckley. Seems so long ago when we had conservatives like this. Others like Millicent Fenwick. These were the establishment Republicans. Blue bloods, and northeast intellectuals. Now?

319 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:53:03pm

Now? We have a party that follows Breitbart.com. I will now jump out the window. //

320 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:53:40pm

re: #319 Gus

Now? We have a party that follows Breitbart.com. I will now jump out the window. //

But you’re on the first floor.

//

321 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:54:27pm

re: #318 Gus

Edwin Muskie:

Jim Buckley. Member of the Conservative Party of New York at that time. Later he became a Republican. Brother to William F. Buckley. Seems so long ago when we had conservatives like this. Others like Millicent Fenwick. These were the establishment Republicans. Blue bloods, and northeast intellectuals. Now?

Now? They’re trying to survive. The GOP honestly lost a lot if its intellectualism when the party became more Southern in orientation. That’s not to say southern means unintellectual but the party has gone from having people like Everett Dirksen and Hugh SCott lead it in the Senate to Mitch McConnell.

322 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 9:57:35pm

re: #320 Targetpractice

But you’re on the first floor.

//

True. But I have a broken leg! //

323 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:03:21pm

re: #318 Gus

Edwin Muskie:

Jim Buckley. Member of the Conservative Party of New York at that time. Later he became a Republican. Brother to William F. Buckley. Seems so long ago when we had conservatives like this. Others like Millicent Fenwick. These were the establishment Republicans. Blue bloods, and northeast intellectuals. Now?

Well, Buckley only served one term, but you can’t really blame him for not getting reelected: He lost to Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Another high quality senator, who had already done the state of New York a good term in the primary by defeating the radical congresswoman Bella Abzug.

324 wrenchwench  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:05:15pm

Image: hB69F4D73.jpg

Later, lizards.

325 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:05:29pm

re: #294 Targetpractice

It’s questionable if Nixon would ever have been president were it not for the Civil Right Act and the subsequent spike in fear amongst the Southern white populace that gave rise to the “Southern Strategy.” To quote General Taylor:

“Bullshit! I know Nixon personally. He lugs a trainload of shit behind him that could fertilize the Sinai. Why, I wouldn’t buy an apple from the son of a bitch and I consider him a good, close, personal friend. “

One of my favorite lines from Good Morning, Vietnam, besides “Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn’t we keep the PC on the QT? ‘Cause if it leaks to the VC he could end up MIA, and then we’d all be put on KP” and “You know, you’re in more dire need of a blowjob than any white man in history.”

326 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:07:16pm

More goodness from Soundcloud - the last three movements of Telemann’s Viola Concerto (don’t know why the artist left out the first movement.)

327 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:07:39pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Well, Buckley only served one term, but you can’t really blame him for not getting reelected: He lost to Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Another high quality senator, who had already done the state of New York a good term in the primary by defeating the radical congressman Bella Abzug.

I don’t know what’s happened. We’ve advanced socially but regressed intellectually. We used to go to the library and read a book. Now we search on Google, find what we’re looking for, and suddenly we’re an instant expert. People used to debate for hour in a dry boring setting. Now, we debate in game show like environments.

328 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:09:02pm

re: #327 Gus

I don’t know what’s happened. We’ve advanced socially but regressed intellectually. We used to go to the library and read a book. Now we search on Google, find what we’re looking for, and suddenly we’re an instant expert. People used to debate for hour in a dry boring setting. Now, we debate in game show like environments.

Sounds like you’re blaming instant gratification.

329 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:09:50pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Well, Buckley only served one term, but you can’t really blame him for not getting reelected: He lost to Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Another high quality senator, who had already done the state of New York a good term in the primary by defeating the radical congressman Bella Abzug.

Dark, I posit that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

First off, Abzug was a woman, not a man. Next, what did Abzug champion that was “radical”; back it up with hard facts, not opinion.

330 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:10:11pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like you’re blaming instant gratification.

Ha! My next comment was this: everything is instant. One of mom’s favorite sayings.

331 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:12:26pm

re: #329 TedStriker

Dark, I posit that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

First Abzug was a Woman, not a man. Next, what did Abzug champion that was “radical”; back it up with hard facts, not opinion.

I knew that she was a woman here. I’m from Joisy. Plus, radical can be a good quality. That she lost to the great Moynihan was a good thing. Yet she continued to contribute to the debate and not devolve into blog memes and trending Twitter hash tags. :D

332 Targetpractice  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:12:47pm

re: #328 Dark_Falcon

Sounds like you’re blaming instant gratification.

I blame instant gratification largely on the Boomers. Then again, there’s not much I don’t blame on the Boomers. In fact, now that I think about it, why don’t those dinosaurs just head off to the tar pits and save us all the headaches?

//

333 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:13:35pm

re: #329 TedStriker

I know she was a woman. That was an error on my part, now corrected. As for backing it up, I decline to do so. Backing up a minor line like that isn’t worth my time.

334 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:13:55pm

Abzug was one of the first people in Congress to support gay rights. Radical, yeah probably but radicals are needed in history.

335 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:14:32pm

Shrug.

336 Single-handed sailor  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:15:22pm

re: #329 TedStriker

Dark, I posit that you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

First off, Abzug was a woman, not a man. Next, what did Abzug champion that was “radical”; back it up with hard facts, not opinion.

Civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights.

337 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:15:42pm

re: #333 Dark_Falcon

I know she was a woman. That was an error on my part, now corrected. As for backing it up, I decline to do so. Backing up a minor line like that isn’t worth my time.

Well, you called her a “radical”, without any supporting evidence.

Put up or shut up.

338 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:15:49pm

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Abzug was one of the first people in Congress to support gay rights. Radical, yeah probably but radicals are needed in history.

Sometimes, yes. But better that Moyinhan was elected senator than her. He was more qualified, and frankly the US Senate really is not a place for radicals. It’s simply too clubby for them.

339 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:16:39pm

re: #323 Dark_Falcon

Another high quality senator, who had already done the state of New York a good term in the primary by defeating the radical congressman Bella Abzug.

Can you do me a favor and reassure me that you are not making a misogynistic statement about Abzug by referring to her as a man? I am less troubled by the fact you seem to consider her “radical”, although I would point out that she was a passionate Zionist, a champion of civil rights (both as an attorney as in politics), and her stance on gay rights in the first half of the 70s would be considered pretty close to the mainstream today.

340 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:16:44pm

re: #337 TedStriker

Well, you called her a “radical”, without any supporting evidence.

Put up or shut up.

I decline to do either.

341 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:17:39pm

re: #336 Single-handed sailor

Civil rights, women’s rights, and gay rights.

Which were “radical” political positions at one time not so long ago (and, apparently, still are to some).

Treating all as equals should not be considered “radical”.

342 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:18:44pm

re: #339 bratwurst

My use of initial of ‘Congressman’ was an error, I had intended to write ‘congresswoman’ and have since corrected the post to read that.

343 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:18:45pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

Sometimes, yes. But better that Moyinhan was elected senator than her. He was more qualified, and frankly the US Senate really is not a place for radicals. It’s simply too clubby for them.

He was a fine senator. But listen, I understand why you prefer DPM and that’s fine. But she was plenty qualified for the job having been a three term Congresswoman in 1976. And frankly the Senate does need radicals. It needs people to provoke thought. But really, I don’t see anything crazily radical about her.

344 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:22:21pm

re: #343 HappyWarrior

He was a fine senator. But listen, I understand why you prefer DPM and that’s fine. But she was plenty qualified for the job having been a three term Congresswoman in 1976. And frankly the Senate does need radicals. It needs people to provoke thought. But really, I don’t see anything crazily radical about her.

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

345 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:23:15pm

re: #340 Dark_Falcon

I decline to do either.

Then I decline to take anything that you say from this point out as anything but illogical ravings of someone with ulterior political motives.

346 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:24:56pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

“Radical” here just means beliefs which you probably agree with, in 2013. Right?

347 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:25:49pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

In short, you’re scared of any change in the social order, because it may affect you.

How in the fuck can you even enjoy anything in life or even just get along day-to-day without being paralyzed with abject terror?

Life’s too fucking short…get over yourself and your fear of change.

348 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:26:22pm

“Radicals”.

Who are the “radicals”?

As I continue to work on my genealogy, filling in holes, it appears as if I am descended from one of the survivors of Indian massacre of 1622.

That’s almost 400 years ago, and quite a bit has changed. What was once “radical” is no more radical the indoor plumbing.

As the English settlers deposed the natives from their lands, and the natives fought back, who were the “radicals”?

Looking at what is written about the land division of the shire of James City, they list the inhabitants and include one “Margaret, a negro.” Was she the “radical” back then?

Were the Indians the “radicals”?

Or maybe it was the English colonists, who took the radical step of crossing an ocean (on which many of them died), landing in a foreign land upon which they knew not how to survive?

349 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:27:18pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

That’s cool. I’m not here to convert you. Was trying to find some common ground with ya’. It appears that I got you into trouble with the group.

350 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:27:36pm

I’m feeling very postmodern tonight.

351 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:28:13pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

Fair enough, you are of course entitled to your feelings on radicals. I think we need them and I say that about even radicals whose positions I despise. Perhaps one needs a John C. Calhoun to see the absurdity of the apologia for slavery to see slavery’s moral wrong. But again truthfully I don’t see anything that radical about Bella Abzug. She did have some fairly radical views for her time but being staunchly pro choice, pro gay rights, etc is a pretty mainstream position for most politicians from her party now. I think Monyihan was great. A real intellectual and one of the best senators but I think Abzug would have been good too. A radical like that who spoke for those who lacked a voice at that time in the Senate would have been good IMO.

352 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:28:17pm

re: #347 TedStriker

In short, you’re scared of any change in the social order, because it may affect you.

How in the fuck can you even enjoy anything in life or even just get along day-to-day without being paralyzed in abject terror?

Not so. I can handle change but I prefer slow, gradual change that allows me to adjust my patterns to fit it. Swift and large scale change is what I find unnerving.

353 bratwurst  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:30:57pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

Can I suggest you give up using Richard Nixon’s “Enemies List” as your guide to who is and isn’t a radical? If you would take a moment to actually learn something about her and her record before passing judgement, you would probably find that you admire so much about her work that you could forgive her the sin of being against the Vietnam War.

354 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:31:22pm

re: #349 Gus

That’s cool. I’m not here to convert you. Was trying to find some common ground with ya’. It appears that I got you into trouble with the group.

No “trouble” with D_F here, aside from trying to wrap my head around how someone as apparently intelligent as him can be so fearful of others and change.

No one really likes wholesale change, especially especially when it comes to our society, but he comes across as being terrified and damn near paralyzed by the mere thought of it.

355 Shvaughn  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:31:46pm

Oh, gross.

Corpse found in L.A. hotel’s water tank

Tourists staying at a Los Angeles hotel bathed, brushed teeth and drank with water from a tank in which a young woman’s body was likely decomposing for more than two weeks, police said.

Elisa Lam’s corpse was found in the Cecil Hotel’s rooftop water tank by a maintenance worker who was trying to figure out why the water pressure was low Tuesday.

Lam’s parents reported her missing in early February. The last sighting of her was in the hotel on January 31, Los Angeles Police said.
Detectives are now investigating the 21-year-old Canadian’s suspicious death, police Sgt. Rudy Lopez said.

It was not clear whether the water presented any health risks. Results on tests on the water done Wednesday by the Los Angeles Public Health Department were expected later in the day.

356 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:32:21pm

re: #344 Dark_Falcon

Understand, though, that I never like radicals. They scare me, and can threaten to upset the predictability and routine I use to keep myself relatively calm and functional.

DF, I almost made a wise crack here like others have done and you, probably, expect. But my son approaches the world from a similar point of view; this isn’t very political for you, deep down, is it? It isn’t for him, that’s for certain.

Take care, friend.

357 TedStriker  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:32:56pm

re: #355 Hippocracy (rule by horses)

Oh, gross.

Corpse found in L.A. hotel’s water tank

Ewwwww.

As for how the woman wound up there, I hope they find out.

358 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:34:13pm

re: #354 TedStriker

No “trouble” with D_F here, aside from trying to wrap my head around how someone as apparently intelligent as him can be so fearful of others and change.

No one really likes wholesale change, especially especially when it comes to our society, but he comes across as being terrified and damn near paralyzed by the mere thought of it.

Sir, I am someone whose emotions can run quite hot and sometimes I only stay with decent bounds with difficulty. Given the efforts I have to put forward to keep the worst parts of me under firm control, I dislike things that threaten to disrupt my equilibrium.

359 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:35:15pm

re: #356 William Barnett-Lewis

DF, I almost made a wise crack here like others have done and you, probably, expect. But my son approaches the world from a similar point of view; this isn’t very political for you, deep down, is it? It isn’t for him, that’s for certain.

Take care, friend.

No, that feeling of mine really isn’t political. And thank you.

360 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:35:29pm

Georgy Sviridov - he was almost a radical:

361 HappyWarrior  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:40:29pm

I think this is more of a philosophical than political difference. I disagree with DF’s view. Nothing personal. I myself personally do like having radicals in this world because they do for better or worse make us think. Speaking from academic experience, the best professors I had weren’t ones who merely echoed what I already thought but ones that made me question what I thought. It’s a funny thing. We live in a world concieved by radicals but brought into place by pragmatists. The people who inspired the Founders of this country were radicals. I mean look at it. Guys like Locke and others were talking about representative democracy in a time where not only was there a leader who inherited his role through birthright but justified his rule often through the allmighty. At the same time, our early leaders were pragmatic too. It sounds paradoxical but the best leaders are frankly pragmatic radicals. Ones who have foresight but also are willing to compromise. I guess ultimately it’s the radicals who build the world and it’s the pragmatists who maintain it.

362 Gus  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:43:11pm

Pain is the great equalizer.

363 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:46:28pm

re: #362 Gus

Pain is the great equalizer.

364 freetoken  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:52:14pm

One thing I don’t like about Soundcloud is how they are following Google in redesigning their site into something that seems friendlier, less imposing to someone afraid of computers, but makes it more difficult to search for what one exactly wants.

I hate this trend of websites/services trying to “think” for you - it’s just a way of conserving their own computational requirements but they are selling it as something new and improved and grand.

365 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:54:05pm
366 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:55:21pm

G’night all.

367 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:56:38pm

re: #362 Gus

Pain is the great equalizer.

Nothing personal, but live with it for a decade or two…

368 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 10:59:12pm

re: #366 William Barnett-Lewis

G’night all.

Ditto. Sleep well, folks.

369 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:06:14pm

Maddow chronicles self-destruction of the headless Republican Party

“What is going on with the Republican Party right now?” she wondered. “I mean, who is in charge? Who is going to or who is trying to right this ship? This has been going on for a long time now, and the thing I think is newsworthy right now is that it seems to be getting worse and not better over time.”

“It is not uncommon for the losing party to go through a round of soul searching after a bad election cycle,” Maddow added. “Nobody expected the Republicans to spring back to their feet immediately after losing the White House by 3 million votes, after losing the House by 1 million votes, after losing two addition seats in the Senate, nobody expected them to be on fire by now, but right now it is less that they are on fire than they are engulfed in flames and they are the ones who have lit them. How long does this go on for?”

Maddow observed that the in-fighting within the Republican Party did not appear to being ebbing, and might actually be getting worse.

370 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:13:51pm

Jon Stewart destroys Sen. John McCain over hypocritical Benghazi outrage

When NBC host David Gregory asked McCain on Sunday why Republicans needed even more information, McCain responded by questioning whether the journalist cared about Americans dying.

“No, McCain, you don’t get to pull the four dead Americans shit,” Stewart said. “You lost that privilege over a period of, oh, I don’t know, the Iraq war — which I believe, American casaulty-wise, was literally Benghazi times 1000. Far from holding up all Senate business until that fiasco was resolved, I think you had a slightly different perspective.”

McCain had warned against “wasting time” with investigations of the Iraq war, which was started because President George W. Bush claimed the country was building weapons of mass destruction. McCain acknowledged the war was based on a massive intelligence failure and was “terribly mismanaged,” yet didn’t call for any investigations like he has regarding Benghazi.

“I get it, mistakes happen, things go bad, we are where we are,” Stewart mockingly remarked. “The only thing that would make this worse would be if not only was McCain being hypocritical about his level of outrage, but if the outrage fueling the Hagel nomination filibuster was somehow also streaked with junior high school level pettiness.”

371 Lidane  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:26:03pm
372 FemNaziBitch  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:30:28pm

Truth!

and Goodnight!

373 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:31:53pm

I see Bryan is back on his “pop out as many kids as you can” schtick

374 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Feb 20, 2013 11:34:54pm

Apparently, America is doomed because not enough white people are having kids to replace the WASPs.

Good.

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 12:18:13am

re: #373 Kragar (Antichrist )

I see Bryan is back on his “pop out as many kids as you can” schtick

I think the proper title of the book should be “The Children of White Men”

Germany had a solution like that for some time: a woman was not allowed an abortion unless she could get a doctor or a social worker to write an opinion that there were medical (physical or mental) or social (financial or personal) grounds that spoke against it.

Inability to financially support the child was a “social indicator” for allowing an abortion.

In other words, if the father is a German with an education and a job, no chance. But if the father is an unemployed Turkish immigrant, then go right ahead!

But most of all, the decision was not left to the woman alone, she had to get a (predominantly male) doctor or social worker to sign off on her decision.

376 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 12:32:46am

re: #375 Sol Berdinowitz

My personal favorite ridiculous argument is “we’d have a cure for cancer” or “We would have invented cold fusion” if it weren’t for abortion.

377 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 12:42:12am

re: #376 Kragar (Antichrist )

I personal favorite ridiculous argument is “we’d have a cure for cancer” or “We would have invented cold fusion” if it weren’t for abortion.

A gun is a magic totem that can ward off evil just by having it on your person on on your nightstand. The role of training, skill and nerves is neglected

And every child is a potential Einstein/Fleming, just for being born. The role of education, nutrition and social environment is neglected.

And every tax cut leads to more jobs just because “job creators” have more money to dispose of. The role of globalization, labor markets and offshore financial products is ignored.

378 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 12:50:10am

re: #376 Kragar (Antichrist )

My personal favorite ridiculous argument is “we’d have a cure for cancer” or “We would have invented cold fusion” if it weren’t for abortion.

Okay, that’s a new one for me. I’ve never heard this argument, how does it go?

379 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:05:12am

The quote comes directly from

Abortion: A Key Economic Factor
by Mychal Massie

“In fact, abortion may play a key factor in fixing our nation’s current economic crisis. Consumer spending is the dominant facet of our economy. With the economy needing a boost and job creation jolted, a baby is a true stimulus plan.

Forget TARP and the Keynesian spending schemes promoted by the Obama Administration. A baby necessitates diapers, toys, food, books, clothing and more. Meeting those needs creates jobs in the manufacturing and service sectors. Children also create jobs in the medical and educational sectors.

When they grow up, babies supplement the labor force - promoting the “circle of life.” At a time when our nation relies on an influx of legal and illegal immigrants, it’s illogical to promote population control.

380 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:05:51am

re: #378 OtterQueen

Okay, that’s a new one for me. I’ve never heard this argument, how does it go?

I’ve heard it more than a few times, mostly from Evangelicals. They’ll start talking about a problem, lets say cancer, and then they say “We could have had a cure 30 years ago, except the baby who would have grown up to discover it was aborted.”

A recession? “A generation of workers were lost because of abortion.”

Energy crisis? “The inventor of the magical pixie engine was lost to us because of…” Take a wild guess.

381 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:06:54am

re: #379 Sol Berdinowitz

The quote comes directly from

Abortion: A Key Economic Factor
by Mychal Massie

“In fact, abortion may play a key factor in fixing our nation’s current economic crisis. Consumer spending is the dominant facet of our economy. With the economy needing a boost and job creation jolted, a baby is a true stimulus plan.

Forget TARP and the Keynesian spending schemes promoted by the Obama Administration. A baby necessitates diapers, toys, food, books, clothing and more. Meeting those needs creates jobs in the manufacturing and service sectors. Children also create jobs in the medical and educational sectors.

When they grow up, babies supplement the labor force - promoting the “circle of life.” At a time when our nation relies on an influx of legal and illegal immigrants, it’s illogical to promote population control.

Um, it necessitates the needs, yes, but it does nothing to actually ensure the parents can meet those needs.

382 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:10:22am

re: #381 Kragar (Antichrist )

Um, it necessitates the needs, yes, but it does nothing to actually ensure the parents can meet those needs.

It makes sure that those sluts are punished for their sins by being forced to bear that child to term and then raise it on a minimum-wage job.

And that is their chief concern, all the arguments they advance (cellular personhood, abortion is surgery because the baby is an “organ”, etc.) are just window-dressing to find ways around Roe v. Wade until they can get it overturned.

383 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:12:22am

re: #380 Kragar (Antichrist )

Holy crap. So no potential Hitlers, Benedict Arnolds, or Ponzis? Because we all know that the children born to women who don’t want, can’t afford, or simply cannot take care of a kid are the ones most likely to take humanity a quantum leap forward. I’m guessing these are the same people who argue that children born to a single mother are at a disadvantage and have no chance in life.

384 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:13:26am

Since when am I obligated to bear children for the sake of our economy?

385 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:14:16am

re: #384 OtterQueen

Since when am I obligated to bear children for the sake of our economy?

Your womb belongs to the state!!!

386 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:14:34am

re: #384 OtterQueen

Since when am I obligated to bear children for the sake of our economy?

Why do you hate America?
/

387 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:15:14am

The state can have it, I’m pretty much done with it. And good luck to ‘em.

388 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:20:12am

re: #383 OtterQueen

Holy crap. So no potential Hitlers, Benedict Arnolds, or Ponzis? Because we all know that the children born to women who don’t want, can’t afford, or simply cannot take care of a kid are the ones most likely to take humanity a quantum leap forward. I’m guessing these are the same people who argue that children born to a single mother are at a disadvantage and have no chance in life.

We need to work out the Jesus to Hitler ratio apparently.
///

389 OtterQueen  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 1:24:41am

re: #388 Kragar (Antichrist )

I wonder if anyone has ever run the numbers? If they’re favorable, the anti-choicers might have some leverage. “If you don’t bring this child to term, there is an 8-to-1 chance that this country will fall to the communists!”

390 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:19:25am

re: #355 Hippocracy (rule by horses)

Oh, gross.

Corpse found in L.A. hotel’s water tank

That sounds like the opening scene of a Bones episode.

391 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:20:41am

re: #378 OtterQueen

Okay, that’s a new one for me. I’ve never heard this argument, how does it go?

See comment upthread.

392 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:24:22am

Am I the only one here this morning?

393 Sionainn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:43:15am

re: #392 Vicious Babushka

Am I the only one here this morning?

Sort of. I’m just popping in before starting my typing this morning.

394 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:46:52am
395 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:50:04am

If you’re wondering what the hell that means, look here:

Why Was Jose Canseco Fighting With Bill Nye The Science Guy Over Gravity?

also too

396 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:54:11am

re: #395 dragonath

If you’re wondering what the hell that means, look here:

Why Was Jose Canseco Fighting With Bill Nye The Science Guy Over Gravity?

Cocaine.

397 Flounder  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:02:22am

How am I supposed to get any work done with all these entertaining posts?!

398 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:07:19am

Debate co-chair: Picking Candy Crowley to moderate was a “mistake”

“We made one mistake this time: Her name is Candy,” Frank Fahrenkopf, a co-chair of the Commission on Presidential Debates, said bluntly at an event in Las Vegas, political reporter Jon Ralston reported Tuesday .

Frank Fahrenkopf

Nevada co-chairman of President Richard Nixon’s reelection campaign
Chairman of the Republican National Committee 1983-89
Founded the International Republican Institute

399 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:09:21am

re: #398 dragonath

Debate co-chair: Picking Candy Crowley to moderate was a “mistake”

Frank Fahrenkopf

Nevada co-chairman of President Richard Nixon’s reelection campaign
Chairman of the Republican National Committee 1983-89
Founded the International Republican Institute

I went to high school with a girl named Candy. I remember all the teachers would only call her “Candace” because “Candy” is just a nickname. They called other kids by their nicknames but not Candace.

400 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:11:46am

When I think of “Candy”, I hear that hideous Four Seasons song.

401 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:11:56am

TGDN is still frothing and spewing that having an AR-15 at all times is the only way to prevent rape. They don’t explain how to address a situation where the rapist is somebody the victim knows and trusts well enough to not shoot a hole in him.

402 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:13:09am

re: #400 dragonath

When I think of “Candy”, I hear that hideous Four Seasons song.

I thought that song was “Sherry”

But, they had a lot of hideous songs.

403 Flounder  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:13:51am

My wife’s Gym coach in High School was Candy B. Sweet. She wasn’t too sweet.

404 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:15:04am

I read Bobibutu’s featured article on the junk food industry, absolutely fascinating.

405 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:27:34am

DERP DERP

406 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:33:52am

Morning all! The derp is starting early today.

407 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:35:44am

It’s the Messaging, Not the Message, part infinity:

408 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:36:46am

re: #398 dragonath

Debate co-chair: Picking Candy Crowley to moderate was a “mistake”

Frank Fahrenkopf

Nevada co-chairman of President Richard Nixon’s reelection campaign
Chairman of the Republican National Committee 1983-89
Founded the International Republican Institute

Nothing wrong with the candidate blatantly lying in the debate - the problem was the moderator calling him on it.

Cripes.

409 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:38:09am

re: #408 Feline Fearless Leader

Nothing wrong with the candidate blatantly lying in the debate - the problem was the moderator calling him on it.

Cripes.

And he would’ve gotten away with it if it hadn’t been for you meddling libtard MSM stooges!

410 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:44:41am

Good morning all!

Just realized this is on Amazon Instant Video. Watching tonight….

‎”You don’t understand. I coulda had class. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody, instead of a bum, which is what I am, let’s face it. It was you, Charley.”

411 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:48:57am

ZOMG RINO:

412 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:53:07am

/ Lurk Off

Morning Lizards.

/Lurk On.

413 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:57:10am

re: #411 Lidane

The Florida hospitals got to him. They warned him that they would get whacked by indigent care costs and that the PPACA would provide more reimbursement and improve cost structures.

Of course, he knew this all along even as he opposed the Obamacare proposals from day 1 (and that’s after the GOP proposed individual mandate 20 years ago and touted it as a paragon of individual responsibility only to turn around and claim it unconstitutional when Obama picked it up as a central element of his health care reform package). It was hypocrisy from the get-go, and now that the rubber’s meeting the road, the states are realizing that this is the way to go and if they want to amend provisions, they’ve got to do it from within - litigating it out of existence isn’t going to happen.

To that end, Scott’s been negotiating with HHS to tailor the program to the state’s benefit (which was always part of the PPACA provisions - only if the state refused would the feds come in and impose the plan). With Florida now adopting the PPACA provisions for exchanges, watch as other GOP-led states fall into line.

414 Mattand  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:00:15am

re: #413 lawhawk

The Florida hospitals got to him. They warned him that they would get whacked by indigent care costs and that the PPACA would provide more reimbursement and improve cost structures.

Of course, he knew this all along even as he opposed the Obamacare proposals from day 1 (and that’s after the GOP proposed individual mandate 20 years ago and touted it as a paragon of individual responsibility only to turn around and claim it unconstitutional when Obama picked it up as a central element of his health care reform package). It was hypocrisy from the get-go, and now that the rubber’s meeting the road, the states are realizing that this is the way to go and if they want to amend provisions, they’ve got to do it from within - litigating it out of existence isn’t going to happen.

To that end, Scott’s been negotiating with HHS to tailor the program to the state’s benefit (which was always part of the PPACA provisions - only if the state refused would the feds come in and impose the plan). With Florida now adopting the PPACA provisions for exchanges, watch as other GOP-led states fall into line.

What’s your take on our Governor Christie’s brave stance against people being healthy?

415 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:02:01am

re: #414 Mattand

What’s your take on our Governor Christie’s brave stance against people being healthy?

If he didn’t make a stand for the Big Gulp Bloomberg and the rest of New York City would be all over him.
;)
//

416 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:02:19am

ZOMG PAMZ has found a new JEWicidal JINO!1!1

I never heard of this guy Bruce Warshal so I Googled him and couldn’t find anything that he had even written. All I could find was that he helps drug addicts and alcoholics get their lives back on track.

Also 6 years ago he allegedly wrote something that was critical of Chabad but (shrugs) so what? And I could not even find it. His Google profile is scrubbed clean.

His name also came up on some whackjob sites (both wingnut & moonbat) but I did not go there.

417 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:10:06am

Good morning Lizards.

Looking like a “three cups of coffee in the AM” day. Full plate of stuff to work on, including performance review meeting with my boss. (Yay…)

Time to go get another cup once this conference call ends. ;)

418 Flounder  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:12:58am

Massive sun spot forming [Link: www.weather.com…]
Head for the hills!
(kewl pics too)

419 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:17:05am

re: #406 Lidane

Heh, Seen Argo?
Tell Henninger
“Argo f*&k yourself”

(Very funny line from the movie)

420 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:39:45am

Good morning lizards!

421 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:41:46am
422 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:43:07am

re: #421 Killgore Trout

Iran is keeping busy
Nigeria says arrests Iran-linked cell targeting U.S., Israel

Ya know Iran really needs to unclench their fist.
//

423 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:43:52am
424 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:44:16am

re: #414 Mattand

Not exactly true - FoxNews reported earlier this week that Gov. Christie was “committed to complying with ObamaCare, but “only in a manner that is the most effective and efficient for the residents of New Jersey, and the businesses that will carry the costs of this new program”.”

Christie, who previously vetoed legislation establishing a state-run health insurance exchange, said in a statement that the federal government is best equipped to operate the exchange.”

States have the option of either establishing their own exchange and securing 100% reimbursement from the feds for 3 years before dropping to 90% reimbursement thereafter, or the feds establish it with no input from the state as they see fit.

Where NJ stands as of December 2012. This is the background on the health exchange portion of the PPACA.

425 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:46:58am

George Galloway Storms Out On Israeli Student During Oxford University Debate (VIDEO)

The Respect MP was speaking at an event organised by Christ Church college in favour of the motion “Israel should withdraw immediately from the West Bank”. Less than three minutes into his opponent Eylon Aslan-Levy’s speech, Galloway interrupted, asking “You said we. Are you an Israeli?”

Third year student Aslan-Levy answered “I am, yes.” Galloway promptly stood up and replied: “I don’t debate with Israelis, I’ve been misled, sorry.”

Galloway’s exit, which was met with audible gasps from the audience, was captured on film by the Oxford University paper, Cherwell. As the Bradford West representative left the room, a member of the audience can be heard shouting “racism”, to which the MP replied: “I don’t recognise Israel and I don’t debate with Israelis.”

427 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:50:10am

re: #426 Vicious Babushka

SSDD

I think he’s just grumpy since the EU pulled the plug on his show on Iranian state TV.

428 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:50:39am

re: #425 Killgore Trout

George Galloway Storms Out On Israeli Student During Oxford University Debate (VIDEO)

I think that sort of behavior would generally be construed as losing the debate.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:51:57am

re: #425 Killgore Trout

George Galloway Storms Out On Israeli Student During Oxford University Debate (VIDEO)

What a douche.

Joseph W at Harry’s Place adds on:

What I said to George Galloway when I met him

You’ll have seen this video of George Galloway storming out of a debate, when he realised he was interacting with an Israeli:

I first saw him speak at the University of Leeds, around about May 2007.

He was cheering for Hezbollah, praising the “resistance”, and saying his usual things.

Most people there were his supporters, and I thought that heckling would just get me noticed and kicked out of the event. I went up to Galloway after the talk, and I could see him chatting in a friendly way to people appreciative of his message.

I went up to him, shook his hand, and made sure he was looking at me. With my hand still lightly in his, I said to him:

“There are Israelis dying too, Mr Galloway”

Heh.

430 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:56:34am

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

What a douche.

Joseph W at Harry’s Place adds on:

What I said to George Galloway when I met him

Heh.

I keep forgetting to check in with Harry’s Place. It’s a good blog and deserves more attention that it gets.

431 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:01:49am

re: #430 Killgore Trout

Heh.

I keep forgetting to check in with Harry’s Place. It’s a good blog and deserves more attention that it gets.

Ugh. Lots of hate in the comments from Galloway supporters at HuffPo. Thankfully there are more commentators blasting Galloway than supporting him.

432 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:05:08am

TGDN isn’t even fun to read anymore for teh lulz. Just a bunch of automated bots Tweeting lame wingnut talking points.

433 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:09:02am

Galloway’s Facebook page:

“I refused this evening at Oxford University to debate with an Israeli, a supporter of the apartheid state of Israel. The reason is simple: no recognition, no normalisation. Just boycott, divestment and sanctions, until the apartheid state is defeated. I never debate with Israelis nor speak to their media. If they want to speak about Palestine – the address is the PLO.”

Douche.

434 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:14:37am

The award for Worst Name for a Terrorist Group goes to….
Nigerian Forces Surround Kidnappers of French Tourists

Jamaatu Ansarul Muslimina Fi Biladissudan, or “Vanguards for the Protection of Muslims in the Land of the Blacks,” said it took the hostages as a response to “the transgressions and atrocities done to the religion of Allah” by European nations in countries including Mali and Afghanistan.

435 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:25:01am

Troubling news coming out of Egypt…

‘Hundreds of children’ tortured in Egypt

Lawyers and activists claim that large numbers of children, some as young as nine, have been illegally imprisoned during protests which followed the second anniversary of the 2011 uprising.

Some of those arrested have been subject to torture including beatings, electrocution and being forced to strip naked before being drenched in cold water, according to a report in the Independent newspaper.

Some of the children were forced to drink a foul “soup” consisting of salt dissolved in water, said Mahmoud Bilal, a lawyer who works on cases involving detained minors.

One lawyer estimated up to 400 children had been detained by police during outbreaks of violence.

436 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:37:04am

Anyone for tea?

[Link: www.justaskshirley.com…]

437 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:45:14am

re: #401 Vicious Babushka

What if the AR-15 is in another room of the house from the woman being raped or is at home while the woman is out of the house? It doesn’t sound like some of these newly and briefly self-identified women protectors have thought this through very much.

438 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:46:11am

A map of all known impact craters on Earth:

Image: woldmap.jpg

Do you feel lucky punk? Huh, do you?

439 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:47:34am

re: #437 Bulworth

What if the AR-15 is in another room of the house from the woman being raped or is at home while the woman is out of the house? It doesn’t sound like some of these newly and briefly self-identified women protectors have thought this through very much.

You can’t even have a conversation with them any more because they are not even real people behind those Twitter accounts—just a bunch of automated bots endlessly retweeting the same lame graphics and talking points.

440 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:48:51am

It was fun for a while to actually engage some of these wingnuts in a conversation before they said UR A TROLL & U R SO BLOCKED.

441 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:49:39am

re: #436 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Anyone for tea?

[Link: www.justaskshirley.com…]

Wow, good thing that isn’t a bar.

442 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:51:10am

Speaking of TGDN, the derp is flowing today because of this:

Tim Tebow cancels appearance at church of controversial pastor

The New York Jets backup was scheduled to deliver two sermons on April 28 at the new, $130 million building at First Baptist Dallas Church. The church boasts more than 11,000 followers.

On Thursday, he tweeted that he would no longer honor the commitment. He didn’t specifically say why he was canceling, but alluded to the controversy surrounding his appearance:

“While I was looking forward to sharing a message of hope and Christ’s unconditional love with the faithful members of the historic First Baptist Church of Dallas in April, due to new information that has been brought to my attention, I have decided to cancel my upcoming appearance. I will continue to use the platform God has blessed me with to bring Faith, Hope and Love to all those needing a brighter day. Thank you for all of your love and support. God Bless!”

443 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:51:55am

You guys figured out I was nuts! God Bless!

444 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:54:35am
the new, $130 million building at First Baptist Dallas Church. The church boasts more than 11,000 followers.

Persecuted Christianists in Amercia. //

445 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:54:52am

The DERP that keeps on DERPIN’

446 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:55:27am

In other news, there are nearly 38,000 total fucking morons on Orly Taitz’s mailing list.

447 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:55:55am

FEEL THE CHRISTIAN LOVE

448 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:56:24am
449 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:57:35am

BTW I am not longer reading the TGDN hashtag, these Tweets are from the DERP list.

450 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:58:09am

re: #444 Bulworth

Persecuted Christianists in Amercia. //

I wouldn’t mind looking at at their ledger.

451 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:59:05am
452 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:59:57am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

FEEL THE CHRISTIAN LOVE

Matthew 25: 31-46. Recently, posting that has gotten complaints that I am using the Bible to bully people. I find the irony delicious.

453 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:00:25am

re: #445 Vicious Babushka

Orly Taitz has nearly 38,000 signatures on petition for Congress to immediately investigate Obama’s use of forged and stolen IDs

So, who gets the ball here? Issa? Cruz? You know somebody’s gonna take her up on it.

454 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:00:26am

re: #447 Vicious Babushka

FEEL THE CHRISTIAN LOVE

Does GenuineAmerican have proof he or she is a genuine murican? What does it take to be a genuine Amercian anyway?

455 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:00:35am

re: #446 Lidane

In other news, there are nearly 38,000 total fucking morons on Orly Taitz’s mailing list.

How many have names like Heywood Jabloeme, Seymour Butz, Adam Baum, Herbie Hind?

456 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:02:15am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

How many have names like Heywood Jabloeme, Seymour Butz, Adam Baum, Herbie Hind?

37,000 of them. The rest are the last few birther dead-enders who think Taitz is actually credible.

457 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:02:57am

re: #452 kirkspencer

Matthew 25: 31-46. Recently, posting that has gotten complaints that I am using the Bible to bully people. I find the irony delicious.

I bet you’re quoting from the librul Bible. In ConservaBible that passage has been rewritten so that Republican Jesus says to shoot the poors with AR-15’s.

458 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:03:01am

re: #452 kirkspencer

Matthew 25: 31-46. Recently, posting that has gotten complaints that I am using the Bible to bully people. I find the irony delicious.

I’m not real familiar with the NT, is that the one about the camel and the needle’s eye?

459 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:03:02am
460 kirkspencer  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:04:41am

re: #458 Vicious Babushka

I’m not real familiar with the NT, is that the one about the camel and the needle’s eye?

No, that’s the sheep and goats. As you have done/not done for the least, so you have done/not done for me.

461 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:04:46am

re: #459 Lidane

Is this a newspaper product that people pay money for?

462 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:07:23am

re: #460 kirkspencer

No, that’s the sheep and goats. As you have done/not done for the least, so you have done/not done for me.

Sheep go to Heaven, goats go to Hell. And now I have that song in my head.

463 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:07:31am

re: #442 Lidane

Speaking of TGDN, the derp is flowing today because of this:

Tim Tebow cancels appearance at church of controversial pastor

464 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:07:44am

Gribbit.

465 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:08:02am

re: #460 kirkspencer

No, that’s the sheep and goats. As you have done/not done for the least, so you have done/not done for me.

466 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:08:13am

re: #459 Lidane

Does Ben Shapiro also write for the IBD? That article reflects his handiwork.

467 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:09:06am

re: #452 kirkspencer

Matthew 25: 31-46. Recently, posting that has gotten complaints that I am using the Bible to bully people. I find the irony delicious.

In fact, Matthew 6 describes Tebow and the christianists just about perfectly. The pertinent parts:

1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing

5 And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full.

7-8 …for they think they will be heard because of their many words. Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

468 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:12:22am

re: #459 Lidane

You actually have to try really hard to sound this stupid.

He is the author of 10 nonfiction books and father of four.

A proud tradition he seems to be carrying on in his opinion column.

469 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:12:23am

No, not belly dancing!

The belly dancer barometer

The Daily News of Egypt reported that the national administrative court ruled last week that the popular Al-Tet “belly dancing channel” be taken off the air for broadcasting without a license. Who knew that Egypt had a belly dancing channel? (Does Comcast know about this?) It is evidently quite popular but apparently offensive to some of the rising Islamist forces in Egypt.

It is not clear how much the Muslim Brotherhood’s party had to do with the belly ban, but what is clear is that no one in Egypt is having much fun these days.

470 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:12:50am

*headdesk*

471 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:14:32am

re: #468 makeitstop

Speaking of questionable writing:

472 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:16:13am

re: #470 Lidane

Ted Nugent claims Obama and Democrats have “destroyed,” “raped and plundered” the black community

And Ted would know, being a black man and all…

///

473 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:17:20am

re: #471 Lidane

THE LIBRULS DONE IT

474 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:17:44am

re: #472 makeitstop

And Ted would know, being a black man and all…

///

He was born a poor, black child…

Oh wait. Nope. He’s just a jerk. =P

475 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:18:16am

Ted Nugent needs to stick his wang dang in a Cuisinart

476 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:19:57am

re: #475 dragonath

Ted Nugent needs to stick his wang dang in a Cuisinart

How in the hell did he get famous in the first place. His…’music’ is terrible. When all this gun shit started I youtubed a bunch of his stuff just to figure out why….is it a redneck thing?

477 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:20:43am

re: #470 Lidane

Does the Nuge have his own Faux Noise show yet? Maybe he can be their new political consultant pundit.

478 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:22:58am

re: #476 Ghost of Tom Joad

How in the hell did he get famous in the first place. His…’music’ is terrible. When all this gun shit started I youtubed a bunch of his stuff just to figure out why….is it a redneck thing?

He had some Hippie-era cred from being in the Amboy Dukes. I actually liked ‘Journey To The Center Of The Mind,’ but everything past that pretty much sucked.

479 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:25:06am

Oh great. One of my idiot wingnut relatives is doing the LULZ SNOW TOTEZ PROVES GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH dance.

I’d try and explain the science to him, but he’s hopeless. He was dumb enough to buy into the Herbalife scam, so he’s never been the brightest bulb in the box.

480 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:25:16am

re: #478 makeitstop

He had some Hippie-era cred from being in the Amboy Dukes. I actually liked ‘Journey To The Center Of The Mind,’ but everything past that pretty much sucked.

Stranglehold is also a good one.

481 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:25:51am

PAM SHRIEKING ABOUT LIBRUL ATTACKZ ON JUICE


Oh wait, it’s one of these “Pray Away The Ghey” fake “therapy” bully gangs.

482 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:27:44am

re: #438 dragonath

A map of all known impact craters on Earth:

Image: woldmap.jpg

Do you feel lucky punk? Huh, do you?

That one in the northeast US is Chesapeake Bay. :)

483 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:29:06am
484 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:30:01am

re: #483 dragonath

Can someone please put a stop to this? These books of his are killing Amercia.

485 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:30:24am

Shooting in Las Vegas this morning…

Las Vegas Strip Shooting, Crash Leaves 3 Dead

LAS VEGAS - Three people are dead and at least three more injured from a shooting and multi-car crash on Las Vegas Boulevard near Flamingo Road.

Metro Police say the shooting ensued on the Strip in front of Bally’s Hotel and Casino early Thursday morning which set off a multi-car accident.

Metro Sgt. John Sheahan said police are looking for a black Range Rover with tinted windows and dark rims. Sheahan said the people in the Range Rover were shooting at people in a Maserati, the driver of the Maserati was hit by gunfire and killed. The Maserati crashed into a taxi which caused it to burst into flames and explode killing the driver and passenger.

“There was a loud bang and I hear two other booms. I looked out my window at Caesars Palace … and could see a fireball,” said witness John Lamb.

486 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:30:25am

re: #483 dragonath

Bill O’Reilly’s New Book Titled ‘Killing Jesus’

Wasn’t Jesus’ entire whole purpose on earth to be killed? I mean if he wasn’t killed there would be no salvation, right?

487 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:30:30am

re: #483 dragonath

At long last Mr. O’Reilly, have you no shame?

488 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:31:07am

re: #484 Bulworth

Can someone please put a stop to this? These books of his are killing Amercia.

That’s the next one.

489 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:33:46am

LOL!

Hacking group Anonymous latest victim of Twitter hack

Hacker collective Anonymous has suffered an embarrassing breach, as one of its popular Twitter feeds is taken over by rival hacktivists.

Little-known group Rustle League said it had hacked the @Anon_Central account which has 160,000 followers.

490 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:34:24am

re: #488 makeitstop

That’s the next one.

And I’m sure the theme will all be the same. Ebil Libruls are destroying everything that was ever good and conservative in this world, like (insert random thing like Jesus/America/straight sex/carrying assault weapons)

491 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:34:58am
492 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:35:16am

re: #486 Vicious Babushka

That’s the biggest problem with Christianity, to me. You’ve got entire sects that are like “the death of Jesus was the best thing EVAR cause we’re absolved dude”.

It’s kind of missing the point…

493 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:36:40am

re: #491 Lidane

Obama Derangement Syndrome continues: GOP Senators write to President, urging him to drop GOP war hero Hagel.

Translation: We’ve run out of bullshit to throw at the wall, therefore we need your help. Please pick a new candidate so we can find more shit to fling. Thanks homie.

Sincerely,
The Monkeys.

495 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:38:04am

re: #493 Ghost of Tom Joad

Translation: We’ve run out of bullshit to throw at the wall, therefore we need your help. Please pick a new candidate so we can find more shit to fling. Thanks homie.

Sincerely,
The Monkeys.

Well, now you know why they didn’t evolve from monkeys. They are still monkeys since they don’t believe in evolution.
//

496 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:38:52am
497 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:40:19am

re: #495 Feline Fearless Leader

Well, now you know why they didn’t evolve from monkeys. They are still monkeys since they don’t believe in evolution.
//

Monkeys evolved from wingnuts.

498 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:40:45am

re: #496 Lidane

Congress demands cuts in weather service and forecasting funding in order to pay for disaster relief in Missouri following severe winter storm.

(Just preempting the Onion, and possibly reality.)

499 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:41:41am

re: #491 Lidane

John Cornyn (R-TX)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Ron Johnson (R - WI)
Jim Risch (R-ID)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Tim Scott (R-SC)

The usual suspects. Fuck ‘em. let them stew in knowing that they’re beat.

501 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:43:23am

re: #499 makeitstop

John Cornyn (R-TX)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)

So both my asshole Senators are on that list?

My surprise, let me show you it.

502 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:43:45am

re: #499 makeitstop

John Cornyn (R-TX)
Jim Inhofe (R-OK)
Lindsey Graham (R-SC)
Roger Wicker (R-MS)
David Vitter (R-LA)
Ted Cruz (R-TX)
Mike Lee (R-UT)
Pat Toomey (R-PA)
Marco Rubio (R-FL)
Dan Coats (R-IN)
Ron Johnson (R - WI)
Jim Risch (R-ID)
John Barrasso (R-WY)
Tom Coburn (R-OK)
Tim Scott (R-SC)

The usual suspects. Fuck ‘em. let them stew in knowing that they’re beat.

Hey, no John McCain!

503 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:44:01am

Local news was on earlier here. Non-stop babbling about the weather. Trying to turn a 2 inch snow storm and drop in temperature into some kind of event. Of course, I’m sure this includes closures. For 2 inches maybe 4. It’s been raining, snowing, drought, and whatever since I can remember. Today though, every major storm event is turned into a hysteria of mass proportions complete with 3D graphics and special logos. Why they’re even starting to name some of these storms.

504 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:45:59am

re: #503 Gus

Out here we call that sprinkle watch, riffing on STORMWATCH AT 11
*imagine deep serious voice over chyron”

Ratings baby!

505 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:46:17am

re: #503 Gus

Fear and panic sells.

506 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:46:26am

re: #502 Feline Fearless Leader

Hey, no John McCain!

He’s on record as saying he opposes Hagel’s nomination, but he won’t vote against cloture.

507 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:46:44am
508 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:46:56am

re: #503 Gus

I think that severe snowstorms should be named after street jargon for cocaine.

This’ll be snowstorm Snow, confusingly enough, followed by snowstorm Adult Confetti and snowstorm Brazilian Marching Powder.

509 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:47:08am

One thing I miss not shopping at Whole Foods anymore is their artisan bread. What am I going to do now? Guess I will just have to bake my own.

510 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:47:46am

Fake but accurate:

511 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:48:26am

re: #507 Interesting Times

Because they lack the common sense that God gave the lemming.

512 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:49:30am

Messaging, not Message, continued:

513 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:49:41am

re: #502 Feline Fearless Leader

Hey, no John McCain!

McGrumpyPants already went on the record as saying he wouldn’t hold Hagel up. He’s prolly pissed that the rest of these assholes are getting publicity for this and he’s not.

/kinda

514 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:50:48am

*FACE PALM*

515 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:51:10am

re: #508 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I think that severe snowstorms should be named after street jargon for cocaine.

This’ll be snowstorm Snow, confusingly enough, followed by snowstorm Adult Confetti and snowstorm Brazilian Marching Powder.

Snowstorm Krill! (Stolen from Motley Crue)

516 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:51:30am

re: #499 makeitstop

Well, that’s just a list of non-bi-partisan Republican conservative teapartying straight-shooters there. Gotta listen to them. ////

517 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:51:54am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

One thing I miss not shopping at Whole Foods anymore is their artisan bread. What am I going to do now? Guess I will just have to bake my own.

Are you making it with real artisans?
/

518 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:52:43am

re: #517 makeitstop

Are you making it with real artisans?
/

I think I have some in the back of the pantry. They stopped thumping around a while ago.//

519 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:52:50am

re: #504 Political Atheist

Out here we call that sprinkle watch, riffing on STORMWATCH AT 11
*imagine deep serious voice over chyron”

Ratings baby!

Never liked it. The Columbia shuttle disaster was the beginning of the end for me WRT to TV news. They went overboard and finally I really did kill my TV. Freaked my dad out. Just picked it up and threw it on the basement floor. :D

520 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:52:54am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

Yeah I don’t know why the SCOTUS hasn’t taken up the case of Wingnuts vs. Benghazigate or Teahadists vs. Fast&Furious.

521 chadu  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:53:16am

re: #211 EdDantes

I’m attracted to Hippocracy …

Rule by horses? G’wan, you big Yahoo. [/swift]

522 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:53:22am

re: #512 Lidane

Messaging, not Message, continued:

I think we all know how this plays out. Senate creates and passes immigration bill with pathway, House declares it DOA, passes one that makes illegals essentially indentured servants, bill gets passed on partisan vote, dies in Senate, and we’re left with no progress while Republicans go home next year to boast how they “protected” America from the hoards of illegals getting green cards.

523 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:53:59am

re: #520 Bulworth

Yeah I don’t know why the SCOTUS hasn’t taken up the case of Wingnuts vs. Benghazigate or Teahadists vs. Fast&Furious.

This guy is going on and on just as though SCOTUS didn’t hand Orly her ass three days ago.

524 erik_t  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:54:31am

re: #523 Vicious Babushka

This guy is going on and on just as though SCOTUS didn’t hand Orly her ass three days ago.

I reject your reality and substitute my own.

525 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:57:19am

Leader of Palestinian group injured in Syria bombing

Nayef Hawatmeh, head of the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine, suffered light wounds when he was hit by flying glass after a car bomb exploded in central Damascus, according to Arab sources. Thursday’s explosion in the city killed more than 40 people and injured over 200.

Hawatmeh formed the Marxist DFLP – one of the major factions within the Palestine Liberation Organization – in 1969. The organization was responsible for numerous terrorist attacks on Israeli soil, including the attack at Maalot in 1974, which killed some 30 people.

526 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:57:38am

Sunday is Purim, which has been described as “a two-day Halloween where DRINKING is MANDATORY.”

527 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:01:32am

Somebody on Balloon Juice found the reason why McCain was so vehemently against a Susan Rice nomination:

Senator McCain’s bitterness with Susan Rice isn’t about Benghazi, it is personal

Wait, you mean McCain is more interested in petty personal disputes? Also, A couple days after his Baghdad vanity visit, there was another bombing.

528 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:03:42am

re: #526 Vicious Babushka

Sunday is Purim, which has been described as “a two-day Halloween where DRINKING is MANDATORY.”

I had a Jewish friend of mine tell me years ago that Purim was when the happiest drunk in the room was a rabbi. Heh.

529 erik_t  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:04:21am

re: #526 Vicious Babushka

Sunday is Purim, which has been described as “a two-day Halloween where DRINKING is MANDATORY.”

So you’re saying it’s a two-day Halloween.

530 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:04:35am

By now, McCain totally would have totally gotten in a war with Moldova, because somebody looked at him funny.

531 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:05:40am

re: #529 erik_t

So you’re saying it’s a two-day Halloween.

Dressing in costumes and giving out candy, yeah. And getting totally wasted.

533 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:08:00am

re: #532 NJDhockeyfan

Dashcam meteor videos blocked in Germany because of copyrighted background music

Like the music coming from the car radio?

534 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:08:36am

re: #527 dragonath

Somebody on Balloon Juice found the reason why McCain was so vehemently against a Susan Rice nomination:

Senator McCain’s bitterness with Susan Rice isn’t about Benghazi, it is personal

Wait, you mean McCain is more interested in petty personal disputes? Also, A couple days after his Baghdad vanity visit, there was another bombing.

He is such a pitiful dick. I said it before, I’ll say it again: he’s still fighting the Vietnam war, and every grudge he has is a VC to him.

535 TedStriker  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:11:20am

re: #519 Gus

Never liked it. The Columbia shuttle disaster was the beginning of the end for me WRT to TV news. They went overboard and finally I really did kill my TV. Freaked my dad out. Just picked it up and threw it on the basement floor. :D

Why didn’t you do an Elvis?

Putting a hole in it would have been more fun.

//

536 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:15:29am
537 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:17:27am

I don’t like rodeos any more, but I still like rodeo parades.

538 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:17:28am

re: #533 Gus

Like the music coming from the car radio?

Looks like it. I wonder if videos with someone just singing is also banned?

539 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:18:21am

I thought Donald was starting to sound intelligent, so I removed him from the Derp list. Oopsie.

540 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:18:44am

re: #471 Lidane

It’s like the SNL skit: Djesus Uncrossed. Djesus H Christ - the H is silent.

541 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:21:09am

re: #539 Vicious Babushka

That should teach ya

542 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:21:09am

*FACE PALM*

543 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:22:01am

I have become thoroughly addicted to, and frustrated by world of tanks. Also recommend Sniper Elite V2.

544 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:22:35am

re: #514 Vicious Babushka

Damn. Every time that you think he can’t seem to cram enough stupid into 140 characters, he does something like that to remind you that yes - he can.

That’s a quadruple facepalm moment.

545 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:23:34am

re: #542 Vicious Babushka

546 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:23:39am

re: #542 Vicious Babushka

Oh no. Someone has hacked Bryan’s account. /

547 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:23:49am

re: #544 lawhawk

Damn. Every time that you think he can’t seem to cram enough stupid into 140 characters, he does something like that to remind you that yes - he can.

That’s a quadruple facepalm moment.

Bryan Fischer still has the most DERP Per Tweet

548 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:25:07am

re: #545 geoffm33

549 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:26:43am

Well. This page is breaking my lousy mobile connx.

550 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:26:57am

re: #542 Vicious Babushka

*FACE PALM*

Haven’t these yahoos just spent the last couple months bitching at length about how we need to be locking crazy people up before they go on shooting sprees?

551 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:27:17am
552 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:27:20am

re: #539 Vicious Babushka

Maybe if his password wasn’t 1.2.3.4.5. he wouldn’t have gotten hacked.

That’s the stupidest combination I’ve ever heard in my life! That’s the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

553 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:27:49am

re: #550 Targetpractice

Haven’t these yahoos just spent the last couple months bitching at length about how we need to be locking crazy people up before they go on shooting sprees?

YEAH BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE SHOULD BE GIVING THEM THERAPY AND MEDS!11 JUST A PADDED CELL AND A STRAIGHT JACKET

554 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:28:28am

re: #553 Vicious Babushka

YEAH BUT THAT DOESN’T MEAN WE SHOULD BE GIVING THEM THERAPY AND MEDS!11 JUST A PADDED CELL AND A STRAIGHT JACKET

Exorcism for the lot of them!

555 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:28:33am
556 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:28:48am

re: #530 dragonath

Moldova sucks / Frank Moses

557 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:29:39am

The American Spectator continues to prove its obsolescence:

S.E. Cupp and the Freezing of the Conservative Mind

558 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:30:23am

re: #554 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Exorcism for the lot of them!

HEY WE R CIVILIZED!1! WE CHARGE ADMISSION 2 C TEH RETARDS AND THAT PAYS FOR THERE STRAIGHT JACKETS. THOSE THAT CANT PAY GET GAY JACKETS!1!1

559 erik_t  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:30:32am

re: #555 Gus

@RightWingWatch UPDATE: Robert Jeffress says Tim Tebow told him he hopes to go to his anti-gay church once the controversy blows over [Link: bit.ly…]

Brilliant! That way he can piss off both sides.

560 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:30:41am

re: #555 Gus

UPDATE: Robert Jeffress says Tim Tebow told him he hopes to go to his anti-gay church once the controversy blows over

Tebow doesn’t realize the controversy will blow over until he announces he’s going again, at which point it’ll just flare up again.

That boy ain’t too bright.

/Foghorn

561 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:31:01am

re: #507 Interesting Times

562 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:32:13am

re: #557 Lidane

A blogger list of all white males.

563 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:32:20am

re: #552 lawhawk

Maybe if his password wasn’t 1.2.3.4.5. he wouldn’t have gotten hacked.

That’s the stupidest combination I’ve ever heard in my life! That’s the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage!

lol ^ding for Spaceballs.

564 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:32:30am

re: #560 makeitstop

Or, he’s savvy enough to know that it’s never going to blow over so he doesn’t have to plan for attending and it doesn’t appear like he’s blowing off that church group. It’s a two-fer

565 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:33:35am

re: #555 Gus

Always knew Tebow was a sanctimonious charlatan.

566 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:34:28am

re: #564 lawhawk

Right. There is no such tome when it will “blow over”. His attendance at that church is the controversy. Logic fail for Jeffress to believe that.

567 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:34:45am

re: #565 Ghost of Tom Joad

Always knew Tebow was a sanctimonious charlatan.

Oh yeah. I was so glad when the Broncos finally got rid of him.

568 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:34:56am

re: #564 lawhawk

Or, he’s savvy enough to know that it’s never going to blow over so he doesn’t have to plan for attending and it doesn’t appear like he’s blowing off that church group. It’s a two-fer

Or…

He’ll wait for things to quiet down, then go unannounced.

569 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:35:24am
570 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:36:33am

This is becoming bizarre.

New Detective In Pistorius Case

PRETORIA, South Africa (AP) - South Africa’s police head has appointed its top detective as the new lead investigator in the Oscar Pistorius murder case.

The decision came after it emerged the initial investigator, Hilton Botha, was facing attempted murder charges.

National Commissioner Riah Phiyega says Lt. Gen. Vinesh Moonoo will take over the investigation.

571 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:09am

re: #567 Gus

Oh yeah. I was so glad when the Broncos finally got rid of him.

Even happier when the Jests picked him up and then turned him into the secret quarterback agent. Awe-Some!

/laughing at the Jets and idiotic management

572 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:21am
573 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:36am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

One thing I miss not shopping at Whole Foods anymore is their artisan bread. What am I going to do now? Guess I will just have to bake my own.

I’m in luck in having a couple of good local bakeries that do a good variety of breads including some very nice whole grain loaves. Makes a mean lemon bar as well. :)

574 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:52am

re: #570 NJDhockeyfan

This is becoming bizarre.

New Detective In Pistorius Case

I swear that whole thing is like South Africa’s O.J. Simpson case redux. All it’s missing is a glove and a getaway.

575 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:38:12am

re: #455 Vicious Babushka

How many have names like Heywood Jabloeme, Seymour Butz, Adam Baum, Herbie Hind?

Stu Pedasho

576 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:38:46am

re: #574 Ghost of Tom Joad

I swear that whole thing is like South Africa’s O.J. Simpson case redux. All it’s missing is a glove and a getaway.

His defense lawyer will say, “if the prosthesis doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”

577 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:41:19am

Hotel guests horrified after tourist’s body is found in water tank

Guests of a downtown hotel where missing Canadian tourist Elisa Lam was found dead in a rooftop water tank expressed horror at the discovery.

Lam’s body was discovered by a worker at the Cecil Hotel checking out complaints of weak water pressure, police said.

“I’m really disgusted,” said Annette Suzuki, a San Francisco resident staying at the hotel. “Wouldn’t you be if there was a dead body in the water tank you’re drinking from?”

578 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:41:20am

re: #509 Vicious Babushka

where, in general, are you located?

579 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:42:57am

Why?

580 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:43:29am

re: #579 Gus

Why?

I can’t even…

581 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:44:14am

re: #580 Vicious Babushka

I can’t even…

Where should I put this magazine?

Oh, I don’t know. Put it in the oven.

582 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:45:12am

re: #581 Gus

Where should I put this magazine?

Oh, I don’t know. Put it in the oven.

When I was 9 our babysitter was fired because she put a flashlight in the oven. Guess how my mom found out?

583 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:46:03am

re: #579 Gus

Because it was their intention of serving hot lead to the intruder?

584 erik_t  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:47:02am

re: #579 Gus

Why?

I’ve heard of rounds cooking off, but this is ridiculous.

(shows self out)

585 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:47:25am

re: #582 NJDhockeyfan

When I was 9 our babysitter was fired because she put a flashlight in the oven. Guess how my mom found out?

How did she find out? The melting or did the batteries explode?

586 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:48:15am

And to think I was pissed at Zedushka because he didn’t take the used drip pan out after he made himself a burger.

587 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:49:47am

Hey Joe. Where should I put these sticks of dynamite?

588 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:50:03am
589 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:50:22am

re: #581 Gus

Where should I put this magazine?

Oh, I don’t know. Put it in the oven.

Too many movies seen where Steven Segal uses a microwave to trigger a bomb is my guess. So use the oven instead, it’s safer!

590 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:50:30am

I once left the cordless phone in the linen closet. We were looking for it everywhere and it rang and rang but we didn’t hear it because it was covered with towels.

591 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:55:27am

HOW DARE THOSE UPPITY POORS WANT ENOUGH TO LIVE ON.

592 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:57:28am

re: #588 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

How hospitals screw us all

That’s DailyKos, therefore it doesn’t exist.

;P
///

593 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:58:17am

re: #587 Gus

Hey Joe. Where should I put these sticks of dynamite?

Under the water heater is a good spot…nice, warm and dry there near the pilot light.

594 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:59:02am

re: #587 Gus

Hey Joe. Where should I put these sticks of dynamite?

Better the oven than an old refrigerator for a decade or so. A Ft. Knox explosive ordnance disposal team was called to blow one in place in an Eastern KY mining town. After years in the broken fridge, the nitroglycerine had evaporated out of the dynamite and re-crystallized on the interior.

595 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:59:23am

re: #591 Vicious Babushka

Lots of “Make Minimum Wage a Living Wage!” signs here in upstate NY. Yikes…

If we raise the minimum wage to above the poverty level, what incentive will the poor people have to work harder to escape poverty?

/

596 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:59:32am

re: #593 darthstar

Under the water heater is a good spot…nice, warm and dry there near the pilot light.

If they get wet from a leak, you can just dry them off in the microwave.

597 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:00:33am

re: #595 Sol Berdinowitz

If we raise the minimum wage to above the poverty level, what incentive will the poor people have to work harder to escape poverty?

/

WHY NOT JUST GO ALL OUT AND MAKE MINIMUM WAGE 100K/YR!1!!!!

This really is a meme with them.

598 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:01:33am

re: #595 Sol Berdinowitz

If we raise the minimum wage to above the poverty level, what incentive will the poor people have to work harder to escape poverty?

/

Because if you pay them a living wage they might have time to realize that they are in a class war and not a race war.
/

599 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:01:50am

re: #594 Decatur Deb

I sat on a whoopee cushion made of C4 once.

600 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:02:08am

re: #598 Feline Fearless Leader

Because if you pay them a living wage they might have time to realize that they are in a class war and not a race war.
/

Ta-da!!

601 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:03:22am

re: #585 Gus

How did she find out? The melting or did the batteries explode?

Melted it. She smelled something burning and when she opened the oven is was smoking.

602 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:03:42am

Republican Party Platform of 1956

Labor

…Continue and further perfect its programs of assistance to the millions of workers with special employment problems, such as older workers, handicapped workers, members of minority groups, and migratory workers;

Strengthen and improve the Federal-State Employment Service and improve the effectiveness of the unemployment insurance system;

Protect by law, the assets of employee welfare and benefit plans so that workers who are the beneficiaries can be assured of their rightful benefits;

Assure equal pay for equal work regardless of Sex;

Clarify and strengthen the eight-hour laws for the benefit of workers who are subject to federal wage standards on Federal and Federally-assisted construction, and maintain and continue the vigorous administration of the Federal prevailing minimum wage law for public supply contracts;

Extend the protection of the Federal minimum wage laws to as many more workers as is possible and practicable;

Continue to fight for the elimination of discrimination in employment because of race, creed, color, national origin, ancestry or sex;

Provide assistance to improve the economic conditions of areas faced with persistent and substantial unemployment;

Revise and improve the Taft-Hartley Act so as to protect more effectively the rights of labor unions, management, the individual worker, and the public. The protection of the right of workers to organize into unions and to bargain collectively is the firm and permanent policy of the Eisenhower Administration. In 1954, 1955 and again in 1956, President Eisenhower recommended constructive amendments to this Act. The Democrats in Congress have consistently blocked these needed changes by parliamentary maneuvers. The Republican Party pledges itself to overhaul and improve the Taft-Hartley Act along the lines of these recommendations.

603 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:03:59am

re: #599 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I sat on a whoopee cushion made of C4 once.

Joking around at Varek’s place again?

604 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:04:43am

The record of performance of the Republican Administration on behalf of our working men and women goes still further. The Federal minimum wage has been raised for more than 2 million workers. Social Security has been extended to an additional 10 million workers and the benefits raised for 6 1/2 million. The protection of unemployment insurance has been brought to 4 million additional workers. There have been increased workmen’s compensation benefits for longshoremen and harbor workers, increased retirement benefits for railroad employees, and wage increases and improved welfare and pension plans for federal employees.

605 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:05:11am

Testing new display name…

606 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:05:57am

re: #602 Gus

Republican Party Platform of 1956

607 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:06:42am

Iran tries to speed up nuclear work

Iran has begun installing advanced centrifuges at its main uranium enrichment plant, a UN nuclear report said on Thursday, a defiant step likely to anger world powers ahead of a resumption of talks with Tehran next week.

In a confidential report, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said 180 so-called IR-2m centrifuges and empty centrifuge casings had been hooked up at the plant near the central town of Natanz. They were not yet operating.

If launched successfully, such machines could enable Iran to significantly speed up its accumulation of material that the West fears could be used to devise a nuclear weapon. Iran says it is refining uranium only for peaceful energy purposes.

They must be running low on electrical power.

//

608 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:07:27am

Update on the job front. I accepted a gig with a private, and profitable, company in San Francisco. My days of running the dogs on the beach for hours will soon be coming to an end…soon, but not today!

Banjo and Hudson (my brother’s dog)
Image: 312407_10151464881713024_901907947_n.jpg

Hudson and Bella (my brother’s other dog)
Image: 560035_10151464882153024_238744977_n.jpg

609 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:07:46am

re: #602 Gus

Republican Party Platform of 1956

That’s pre-Southern Strategy GOP. And also a time and place where both parties had a spectrum of representation from progressive to conservative. Some bending took place, but that pretty much made it likely that the candidates would, if not outright moderate, at least be pragmatic and centered on getting things done.

And lots of backroom deal cutting in Congress with the way “old style” politics worked with the Old Boy Network and exchanging favors.

610 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:08:52am

re: #608 darthstar

Update on the job front. I accepted a gig with a private, and profitable, company in San Francisco. My days of running the dogs on the beach for hours will soon be coming to an end…soon, but not today!

Banjo and Hudson (my brother’s dog)
Image: 312407_10151464881713024_901907947_n.jpg

Hudson and Bella (my brother’s other dog)
Image: 560035_10151464882153024_238744977_n.jpg

Congrats, I think…

611 Decatur Deb  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:10:02am

BBL

612 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:10:37am

WHO IS HISTORY’S GREATEST SERIAL ADULTERER?

613 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:10:52am

re: #608 darthstar

Update on the job front. I accepted a gig with a private, and profitable, company in San Francisco. My days of running the dogs on the beach for hours will soon be coming to an end…soon, but not today!

Banjo and Hudson (my brother’s dog)
Image: 312407_10151464881713024_901907947_n.jpg

Hudson and Bella (my brother’s other dog)
Image: 560035_10151464882153024_238744977_n.jpg

Updating to running on the beach with the dogs for hours while wearing a wireless headset to handle support calls?
:D

614 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:11:25am

Did Bryan spend hours poring over historical data to determine who is History’s Greatest Serial Adulterer?

615 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:12:07am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

WHO IS HISTORY’S GREATEST SERIAL ADULTERER?

I presume that’s a reference to golfing with Tiger Woods.

So inaccurate that it’s not even wrong.

616 b_sharp  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:12:12am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

WHO IS HISTORY’S GREATEST SERIAL ADULTERER?

I think he means Tiger Woods.

617 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:12:36am

re: #610 Decatur Deb

Congrats, I think…

Congrats, definitely…they’re pretty generous in that they do biannual reviews and pay raises, so the 15K drop in pay I’m taking will be made up in the next year and a half…so long as I don’t fuck up (which won’t happen). And they’re only four blocks from the Golden Gateway swim and tennis club, so I can keep up with my lunch time swims.

618 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:13:02am

re: #606 Vicious Babushka

There’s a lot about faith in the preamble but I shrug that off. Overall it’s a very progressive Republican platform. Irony in that the 50s Republicans would be considered RINOs by today’s revanchists and Tea Partiers. The 50s! But it was was mentioned pre-Southern-Strategy and about a decade before the break up of the Dixiecrats. This was when they were still “The Party of Lincoln.”

619 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:13:20am

re: #616 b_sharp

I think he means Tiger Woods.

I don’t think Tiger even comes close to other historical figures. Also doesn’t “serial” mean “one at a time”? There were adulterers in history who had whole bunches at a time.

620 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:14:55am

re: #612 Alouette

WHO IS HISTORY’S GREATEST SERIAL ADULTERER?

Bryan Fischer fucks Cheerios.

621 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:14:59am

Does this mean people can be fired for voting GOP?

622 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:15:20am

re: #620 darthstar

You made me throw up in my mouth.

623 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:17:28am

Tiger Woods
Spouse:
Elin Nordegren (2004–2010)

Newt Gingirch
Spouse(s)
Jackie Battley (1962–1981)
Marianne Ginther (1981–2000)
Callista Bisek (2000–present)

624 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:18:12am
625 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:18:49am

re: #623 Gus

Tiger Woods
Spouse:
Elin Nordegren (2004-2010)

Newt Gingirch
Spouse(s)
Jackie Battley (1962-1981)
Marianne Ginther (1981-2000)
Callista Bisek (2000-present)

So Callista is safe until about the 2nd year of Hillary’s presidency. Good for her.

626 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:19:35am

How many mistresses did Louis XIV have? Charles II of England?

627 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:19:58am

re: #626 Vicious Babushka

How many mistresses did Louis XIV have? Charles II of England?

More than me.

628 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:20:55am

re: #627 NJDhockeyfan

More than me.

It’s good to be the King!

629 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:20:59am

Ted Nugent

He has had two wives and has eight children, including three out of wedlock in two liaisons almost 30 years apart. In the late 1960s, prior to his first marriage, Nugent fathered a boy, Ted (Mann) and a girl, whom he gave up for adoption in infancy. This did not become public knowledge until 2010. The siblings were adopted separately and had no contact with one another. The son learned the identity of his birth father in 2010 through the daughter’s quest to make contact with him and their birth parents. According to a news report, Nugent over the years had discussed the existence of these children with his other children.[27]

In 2005 Nugent was involved in a legal battle for not paying enough child support for a child he had out of wedlock in 1995.[28] It was finally resolved when Nugent was ordered to pay $3,500 per month in child support.[29]

He was married to his first wife, Sandra Jezowski, from 1970 to 1979. They had three children, son Theodore Tobias “Toby” Nugent, and daughters Sasha and Starr Nugent. Sandra died in a car crash in 1982. His second marriage was to Shemane Deziel, whom he met while a guest on Detroit’s WLLZ-FM, where she was a member of the news staff. They married on January 21, 1989. Together they have two children, son Rocco Winchester Nugent, and daughter Chantal Nugent.

In 1978, Nugent began a relationship with seventeen-year-old Hawaii native Pele Massa. Due to the age difference they could not marry so Nugent joined Massa’s parents in signing documents to make himself her legal guardian, an arrangement that Spin magazine ranked in October 2000 as #63 on their list of the “100 Sleaziest Moments in Rock”.[30][31]

630 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:21:24am

Larry Klayman (alleged pedophile) to Represent Group Defending Joe Arpaio

Larry Klayman, the birther attorney who is now calling for an armed revolution against President Obama, is representing a new group of Tea Party members defending Sheriff Joe Arpaio from a potential recall election.

The Judicial Watch founder is threatening to sue activists who are collecting petitions to recall the Maricopa County, Arizona sheriff. In a video posted by Arizona Nightly News, Klayman ironically calls Arpaio opponents “vigilantes” who seek to “harass” the sheriff and distorts state election law to claim that the recall attempt is illegal.

631 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:21:48am

ALERT: Red Dawn starting now on Encore.
WOLVERINES!!!

632 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:22:01am

re: #626 Vicious Babushka

How many mistresses did Louis XIV have? Charles II of England?

But neither of them has recently been chummy with Obama. That is the primary criteria - and then you can go looking for some sin to crow about.

Have to hang some guilt by association on Obama since Tebow was criticized for associating with a bigoted pastor.

633 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:23:15am

re: #631 darthstar

ALERT: Red Dawn starting now on Encore.
WOLVERINES!!!

5 Reasons ‘Red Dawn’ Is Secretly a Subversive Anti-War Film

634 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:23:51am

re: #629 Gus

I have nothing against age-separated relationships but making himself her legal guardian? I need a shower just reading that.

635 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:24:52am

re: #612 Vicious Babushka

I see Bryan is tweeting some of his deepest thoughts. //

636 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:25:15am

Nugent: Obama ‘Is The Clear and Present Engineer of the Destruction of Black America’

Nugent, who has described Obama voters as “subhuman varmint[s]” and “pimps whores & welfare brats” and criticized civil rights activists for “lisping their ebonic mumbo-jumbo,” is out with a new WorldNetDaily column which argues that Obama and his Democratic allies “have raped and plundered black America.”

Nugent maintains that Obama, whom he has threatened to kill and accused of having a “racist agenda,” “is the clear and present engineer of the destruction of black America” and that “the Democratic Party has been the engineer of the destruction of black Americans.”

637 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:25:39am

re: #634 klys

I have nothing against age-separated relationships but making himself her legal guardian? I need a shower just reading that.

Technically, he was screwing his adopted child.

Obviously, a great citizen./

638 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:26:08am

re: #637 Ghost of Tom Joad

Technically, he was screwing his adopted child.

Obviously, a great citizen./

Wait, I thought that was Woody Allen?

639 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:27:40am

re: #638 Vicious Babushka

Wait, I thought that was Woody Allen?

Another vaunted winner of fame that I’ll never understand. I think he’s made maybe one movie I can tolerate, and I can’t even remember the name of it.

640 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:28:53am

re: #639 Ghost of Tom Joad

Another vaunted winner of fame that I’ll never understand. I think he’s made maybe one movie I can tolerate, and I can’t even remember the name of it.

I have proudly never seen a Woody Allen movie, or a movie that had Barbra Streisand in it (except for “Hello Dolly” and “Funny Girl”)

641 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:29:54am

re: #608 darthstar

Update on the job front. I accepted a gig with a private, and profitable, company in San Francisco. My days of running the dogs on the beach for hours will soon be coming to an end…soon, but not today!

Banjo and Hudson (my brother’s dog)
Image: 312407_10151464881713024_901907947_n.jpg

Hudson and Bella (my brother’s other dog)
Image: 560035_10151464882153024_238744977_n.jpg

I have a feeling my dog would be pretty upset if I’d named him “Banjo”. He would probably prefer to be named “Mini-Moog”, “Hammond B-3”, or “Prophet 5”.

642 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:30:54am

re: #639 Ghost of Tom Joad

Another vaunted winner of fame that I’ll never understand. I think he’s made maybe one movie I can tolerate, and I can’t even remember the name of it.

Sleeper and Bananas are about it for me.

644 Lidane  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:32:27am

re: #598 Feline Fearless Leader

Because if you pay them a living wage they might have time to realize that they are in a class war and not a race war.
/

No sarc tag needed. That’s exactly the plan.

645 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:32:55am

re: #608 darthstar

Hudson (my brother’s dog)

Game over man! Game over!

646 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:33:11am

re: #641 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I have a feeling my dog would be pretty upset if I’d named him “Banjo”. He would probably prefer to be named “Mini-Moog”, “Hammond B-3”, or “Prophet 5”.

Your dog must be well endowed if you’d give him a name that meant ‘organ’…

647 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:33:41am

re: #637 Ghost of Tom Joad

Better yet, although the Wikipedia article says they couldn’t get married because of the age difference, perhaps a better reason is found by perusing the dates of his first marriage, which didn’t end until a year after the guardianship started.

Family values, eh?

648 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:34:53am

re: #642 Kragar (Antichrist )

Sleeper and Bananas are about it for me.

I think Woody Allen’s stuff is a bit about the style in the period when they were made as well as his style of movie making and what he likes making movies about. Angst-ridden relationship movies only go so far.

Though I admit I like parts of _Mighty Aphrodite_ simply for how he mixes the various elements together.

649 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:37:37am

re: #648 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Woody Allen’s stuff is a bit about the style in the period when they were made as well as his style of movie making and what he likes making movies about. Angst-ridden relationship movies only go so far.

I kind of feel that way about Ben Stiller movies. He was great in Zero Effect in a pure straight man, non comedic role. Something about Mary was hilarious at the time, but then almost every other movie he made was him being beaten up and humiliated for a relationship. It got old real fast.

650 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:41:13am

re: #648 Feline Fearless Leader

I think Woody Allen’s stuff is a bit about the style in the period when they were made as well as his style of movie making and what he likes making movies about. Angst-ridden relationship movies only go so far.

Though I admit I like parts of _Mighty Aphrodite_ simply for how he mixes the various elements together.

The best comedy directors: Mel Brooks and Coen brothers.

651 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:42:51am

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

On Wednesday, Sen. Chuck Grassley added a new one: Native Americans supposedly aren’t capable of holding fair trials.

GRASSLEY: One provision that non-Native Americans can be tried in tribal court. And why is that a big thing? Because of the constitutionality of it, for two reasons. One, you know how the law is, that if you have a jury, the jury is supposed to be a reflection of society. […] So you get non-Indians, let me say to make it easy, you get non-Indians going into a reservation and violating a woman. They need to be prosecuted. They aren’t prosecuted. So the idea behind [VAWA] is we’ll try them in tribal court. But under the laws of our land, you got to have a jury that is a reflection of society as a whole, and on an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right? So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.

652 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:44:02am
653 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:44:11am

re: #650 Vicious Babushka

The best comedy directors: Mel Brooks and Coen brothers.

Ivan Reitman.

654 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:44:52am

re: #651 Kragar (Antichrist )

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

I’m sure he had the same opinion when a jury of whites would convict an apparently innocent black in the south. Jury of peers indeed./

655 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:45:01am

re: #651 Kragar (Antichrist )

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

What if a white guy raped a black woman in the city of Detroit?

656 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:45:09am

re: #650 Vicious Babushka

The best comedy directors: Mel Brooks and Coen brothers.

Billy Wilder was pretty good as well.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

1959-1961 he directed “Some Like It Hot”, “The Apartment”, and “One, Two, Three”. All comedies and in somewhat different styles.

657 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:45:12am

re: #651 Kragar (Antichrist )

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

I think that’s been the main objection all along, but they’ve been too chicken to say so.

658 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:46:03am

re: #655 Vicious Babushka

What if a white guy raped a black woman in the city of Detroit?

AR-15 JUSTICE!

659 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:46:27am

re: #651 Kragar (Antichrist )

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

There needs to be a button for I appreciate you bringing this to my attention but the idiot who said it is vile and deserves to be shunned by society for the rest of forever. Because I can’t bring myself to upding it and I really want to downding the idiot but not you.

660 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:46:45am

re: #656 Feline Fearless Leader

Billy Wilder was pretty good as well.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

1959-1961 he directed “Some Like It Hot”, “The Apartment”, and “One, Two, Three”. All comedies and in somewhat different styles.

Totally forgot about those old B&W movies.

661 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:47:23am

re: #656 Feline Fearless Leader

Some Like it Hot is a classic. Was a good stage show too.

662 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:48:04am

re: #661 Ghost of Tom Joad

Some Like it Hot is a classic. Was a good stage show too.

“Nobody’s perfect.”

663 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:48:33am

Not 100% sure if this is a real quote, but if so, BWAHAHAHA:

664 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:48:56am

re: #659 klys

There needs to be a button for I appreciate you bringing this to my attention but the idiot who said it is vile and deserves to be shunned by society for the rest of forever. Because I can’t bring myself to upding it and I really want to downding the idiot but not you.

Upding it and then make a comment about how vile Kragar is.

Wait, I’m not sure I have that right….

665 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:49:17am

re: #660 Vicious Babushka

Totally forgot about those old B&W movies.

And to continue on Wilder he also added some very good comic scenes to lighten up otherwise fairly serious movies. The antics of Animal for instance in “Stalag 17”.

666 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:51:44am

Al-Qaida tipsheet on avoiding drones found in Mali

One of the last things the bearded fighters did before leaving this city was to drive to the market where traders lay their carpets out in the sand.

The al-Qaida extremists bypassed the brightly-colored, high-end synthetic floor coverings and stopped their pickup truck in front of a man selling more modest mats woven from desert grass, priced at $1.40 apiece. There they bought two bales of 25 mats each, and asked him to bundle them on top of the car, along with a stack of sticks.

“It’s the first time someone has bought such a large amount,” said the mat seller, Leitny Cisse al-Djoumat. “They didn’t explain why they wanted so many.”

Military officials can tell why: The fighters are stretching the mats across the tops of their cars on poles to form natural carports, so that drones cannot detect them from the air.

The instruction to camouflage cars is one of 22 tips on how to avoid drones, listed on a document left behind by the Islamic extremists as they fled northern Mali from a French military intervention last month. A Xeroxed copy of the document, which was first published on a jihadist forum two years ago, was found by The Associated Press in a manila envelope on the floor of a building here occupied by al-Qaida of the Islamic Maghreb.

667 darthstar  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:52:08am

re: #663 Interesting Times

Not 100% sure if this is a real quote, but if so, BWAHAHAHA:

Yeah, 15 Republicans are calling for Hagel to withdraw his nomination. 15 Republicans are learning the meaning of the words, “Go fuck yourself.”

668 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:53:00am

re: #651 Kragar (Antichrist )

Top GOP Senator: Native American Juries Are Incapable Of Trying White People Fairly

Clumsily worded but he may have a point. First, it’s American Indian and not Native America anymore. The reason it’s like this isn’t because they are American Indians but because of the structure of the tribal law system. Jury of our peers is a strong point. One has to ask? What is the difference between a black man facing an all white jury and a white man facing an all American Indian jury?

669 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:54:31am

A small man was just in here with a large quantity of patchouli all over him. Even though it’s about 34 degrees out, I have to open something. The heater is just blowing it around.

670 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:55:46am

re: #669 wrenchwench

A small man was just in here with a large quantity of patchouli all over him. Even though it’s about 34 degrees out, I have to open something. The heater is just blowing it around.

It’s awful, isn’t it? I don’t understand why anybody would put that on anything unless they got rolled around in an outhouse. It makes my nose hairs curl.

671 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:56:08am

re: #668 Gus

Clumsily worded but he may have a point. First, it’s American Indian and not Native America anymore. The reason it’s like this isn’t because they are American Indians but because of the structure of the tribal law system. Jury of our peers is a strong point. One has to ask? What is the difference between a black man facing an all white jury and a white man facing an all American Indian jury?

Isn’t another complication the fact that many reservations are sort of mini-countries inside the US with a certain degree of independent sovereignty?

672 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:56:31am

re: #668 Gus

Clumsily worded but he may have a point. First, it’s American Indian and not Native America anymore. The reason it’s like this isn’t because they are American Indians but because of the structure of the tribal law system. Jury of our peers is a strong point. One has to ask? What is the difference between a black man facing an all white jury and a white man facing an all American Indian jury?

From the link:

[…]

First of all, there is no requirement that juries reflect “society as a whole.” The Sixth Amendment requires juries to be drawn from the “State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed,” and Supreme Court decisions establish that criminal defendants also have a right to a jury which is “drawn from a fair cross section of the community,” where the trial court convenes to hear their case. But this does not entitle anyone to be tried by a jury that reflects the whole of American society.

A person who is tried in Vermont is likely to have an all-white jury because over 95 percent of Vermont is white. Similarly, a person who commits a crime in the Navajo Nation will face a jury of Native Americans because the population of the local community is made up of Navajo people. There is no reason to believe that Navajo jurors are any less impartial than white Vermonters, and Grassley is wrong to suggest otherwise.

Right now those cases rarely come to trial at all.

673 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:57:00am

re: #668 Gus

Clumsily worded but he may have a point. First, it’s American Indian and not Native America anymore. The reason it’s like this isn’t because they are American Indians but because of the structure of the tribal law system. Jury of our peers is a strong point. One has to ask? What is the difference between a black man facing an all white jury and a white man facing an all American Indian jury?

Not since 1978
[Link: caselaw.lp.findlaw.com…]
Notice he doesn’t actually say anything about white people, Think Progress just added that part.

674 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:00:05am

re: #669 wrenchwench

A small man was just in here with a large quantity of patchouli all over him. Even though it’s about 34 degrees out, I have to open something. The heater is just blowing it around.

I have a tube of hand cream in my desk, “patchouli lavender vanilla.” This was a gift of the hotel we stayed at in Jerusalem. I am afraid to even remove the cap. The hotel must have receive a huge load of this hand cream from someplace, probably free because who would pay for it?

675 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:00:39am

re: #673 Killgore Trout

Not since 1978
[Link: caselaw.lp.findlaw.com…]
Notice he doesn’t actually say anything about white people, Think Progress just added that part.

Good point I missed that:

GRASSLEY: One provision that non-Native Americans can be tried in tribal court. And why is that a big thing? Because of the constitutionality of it, for two reasons. One, you know how the law is, that if you have a jury, the jury is supposed to be a reflection of society. […] So you get non-Indians, let me say to make it easy, you get non-Indians going into a reservation and violating a woman. They need to be prosecuted. They aren’t prosecuted. So the idea behind [VAWA] is we’ll try them in tribal court. But under the laws of our land, you got to have a jury that is a reflection of society as a whole, and on an Indian reservation, it’s going to be made up of Indians, right? So the non-Indian doesn’t get a fair trial.

Non-Native American can include a wide range of racial and ethnic identity. Byline editors perhaps.

676 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:13:49am

re: #675 Gus

re: #675 Gus

Good point I missed that:

Non-Native American can include a wide range of racial and ethnic identity. Byline editors perhaps.

I skimmed the court ruling and they mention habeus corpus being a factor so it would stand to reason that other constitutional protections (trial by peers aka fellow citizens) would also apply. Also throw in the factor that if a German tourist ends up in tribal courts it could be a mess.

677 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 2:14:43pm

re: #676 Killgore Trout

What right to jury of your peers do you think is written into the Constitution, Killgore?

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Trial of all Crimes, except in Cases of Impeachment, shall be by Jury; and such Trial shall be held in the State where the said Crimes shall have been committed; but when not committed within any State, the Trial shall be at such Place or Places as the Congress may by Law have directed.

There’s also the Supreme Court case that specifically decided excluding people on the grounds of race wasn’t Constitutional.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]


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