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Renowned Conservation Photographer Garth Lenz: The True Cost of Oil

The impact of the Alberta Tar Sands mining project
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Garth Lenz is one of the world’s most famous conservation photographers (with a perfect name for it), and here he is with a TED Talk, using his stunning photography to illustrate exactly what happens to an ecosystem when we mine its tar sands to extract oil. It’s pretty shocking to see the terrible reality behind the Keystone XL debate.

Lenz gets choked up at a couple of points in his presentation, and it isn’t hard to see why.

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296 comments

1 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:40:28pm

Thank you very much for posting this. Further info here:

I also pasted lots of articles (with excerpts) on this Page.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:44:23pm

re: #1 Interesting Times

The scale of the devastation caused by this kind of mining is something I don’t think a lot of people truly understand.

3 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:48:27pm

This is what happens when the Market rules. The market value of an ecosystem in Alberta is lower than the market value of the resources to be had from destroying it.

For Free Market advocates, a no-brainer.

4 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:51:41pm

I remember getting into an argument with a College Republican over this- the guy asserted, point blank, that there was no environmental damage occurring.

Sometimes it’s hard to comprehend that the landscape has been permanently disfigured because of someone’s job, now or 100 years ago.

5 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:51:55pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

The scale of the devastation caused by this kind of mining is something I don’t think a lot of people truly understand.

But that oil is vital to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which we’ll achieve by selling to buyers overseas….

Wait a fucking minute…

6 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:52:24pm

re: #4 dragonath

I remember getting into an argument with a College Republican over this- the guy asserted, point blank, that there was no environmental damage occurring.

Sometimes it’s hard to comprehend that the landscape has been permanently disfigured because of someone’s job, now or 100 years ago.

He’s been watching those Conoco-Phillips commercials.

7 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 4:58:22pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

The scale of the devastation caused by this kind of mining is something I don’t think a lot of people truly understand.

And it’s not even worth it from a purely short-term, selfish, Randian economic viewpoint!

Oil Sands Mining Uses Up Almost as Much Energy as It Produces

The average “energy returned on investment,” or EROI, for conventional oil is roughly 25:1. In other words, 25 units of oil-based energy are obtained for every one unit of other energy that is invested to extract it.

But tar sands oil is in a category all its own.

Tar sands retrieved by surface mining has an EROI of only about 5:1, according to research released Tuesday. Tar sands retrieved from deeper beneath the earth, through steam injection, fares even worse, with a maximum average ratio of just 2.9 to 1. That means one unit of natural gas is needed to create less than three units of oil-based energy.

Which of course means that, for tar sands to be profitable for their ultimate owners, the Kochs, oil and gas prices need to stay wallet-wallopingly high.

8 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:02:18pm

re: #7 Interesting Times

And it’s not even worth it from a purely short-term, selfish, Randian economic viewpoint!

Oil Sands Mining Uses Up Almost as Much Energy as It Produces

Which of course means that, for tar sands to be profitable for their ultimate owners, the Kochs, oil and gas prices need to stay wallet-wallopingly high.

And the regulations governing its extration have to be incredibly loose to keep costs low to make it profitable.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:06:36pm

New photos of the Russian meteorite:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

10 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:09:48pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

New photos of the Russian meteorite:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Still LOL over the Jon Stewart clip from yesterday.

11 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:18:45pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

New photos of the Russian meteorite:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]

Russian Meteorite Complains To Tabloid Of Relentless Paparazzi, Goes Into Rehab

wasn’t prepare for fame during 3 million years of wandering empty space between galaxies

12 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:22:51pm

re: #5 Kragar (Antichrist )

But that oil is vital to reduce our dependence on foreign oil, which we’ll achieve by selling to buyers overseas….

Wait a fucking minute…

This. Why few are paying attention to the complete story.

i really have little faith that the environmentalists. i.e. you and me, are going to succeed. Been demonized too much.

Free market!

13 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:30:44pm

Senators: V.A. has denied gun rights to more than 100,000 veterans

Under the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, any person determined by a government authority to lack the mental capacity to manage his or her own affairs is subject to being prohibited from buying a gun.

The VA’s review process for assigning a fiduciary, however, determines veterans’ ability to manage their finances — not whether they are a danger to themselves or others. the VA assigns fiduciaries to handle disability compensation, pensions, survivors’ compensation and other VA government payments veterans’ behalf.

Sen. Burr, a Republican from North Carolina has joined with Democrat Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia to introduce the Veterans Second Amendment Protection Act, which would require a judicial authority to determine whether VA beneficiaries pose a danger to themselves or others before they can be added to the FBI’s NICS database.

“As a matter of fairness, a veteran should be permitted to purchase a firearm under the same conditions as every other American,” said Sen. Webb. “This bipartisan bill ensures consistent guidelines are used for reporting citizens to the FBI, and that no veteran is needlessly stripped of their Second Amendment rights.”

In various forms, the bill has languished in Congress for several years now, but the House passed one version last Tuesday. The legislation has the support of the National Rifle Association.

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:33:07pm

I just realized that the Indiana TV probe pill applies to the abortion pill.

Yeah, 2 invasive unnecessary medical procedures before and after they hand a woman a pill.

Fucking horseshit.

15 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:36:44pm

re: #14 Kragar (Antichrist )

I just realized that the Indiana TV probe pill applies to the abortion pill.

Yeah, 2 invasive unnecessary medical procedures before and after they hand a woman a pill.

Fucking horseshit.

Yeah, we’ll be see more and more stories of young and poor women trying and getting hurt by use the old scary methods.

16 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:40:02pm

Besides calling the stuff ‘tar sands’ instead of ‘oil sands’, I think those huge toxins ‘impoundments’ should be called something else. They aren’t even lined, they are not impounding anything. They are slowing the release of toxins. Maybe ‘toxin sieves’.

17 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:40:48pm

This Keystone/Tar Sands debate always seems to miss a few critical points in American economic politics.

First, the USA does not tell Canada what to do with its land or potential resources and the USA is not the only country they can sell oil to.

Secondly, the Keystone pipeline will carry much domestic oil as well as Canadian, and reduce overall pollution in the process by eliminating much diesel powered transport.

If the Keystone is not built, Canada will continue to do what it is doing and the US will still buy its oil, via tankers, but the Chinese will instead likely offer to fund an alternative pipeline to the west coast of Canada, to ship to China and elsewhere.

This is a matter for Canada, not the USA to decide, and given the realities of economics all one can realistically hope for is that the technology will continue to improve in terms of reducing environmental effects, but to demonstrate and demand shutdown is just plain deluded.

How about offering to compensate Canada by paying them what they would make from the Tar Sands on condition that they shut it all down?//

18 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:43:26pm

re: #17 Achilles Tang

How about offering to compensate Canada by paying them what they would make from the Tar Sands on condition that they shut it all down?//

Put those sarc tags away. For the good of the planet and the future of people everywhere, that would be worth doing.

We could start by not enabling the easier sale of tar sands by building the Keystone XL pipeline.

19 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:44:04pm

bbl

20 thedopefishlives  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:45:42pm

Evening Lizardim.

21 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:49:29pm

re: #19 wrenchwench

bbl

oh no. im not missing your nightly sign-off. my personal “today at work, meh”. But WW’s sign off, AHHH

22 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 5:49:45pm

re: #18 wrenchwench

Put those sarc tags away. For the good of the planet and the future of people everywhere, that would be worth doing.

We could start by not enabling the easier sale of tar sands by building the Keystone XL pipeline.

In truth, the Canadian Tar sands are not the tipping point regarding the future of people everywhere, they are just an obviously visible example.

I repeat, that the keystone pipeline only reduces transport costs (and transport related pollution from trucking) meaning oil company profitability; it does not change the base economics from a Canadian perspective.

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:12:21pm

re: #22 Achilles Tang

If enough people see what’s happening to the environment that’s their heritage as Canadians, that may change.

Tar sands are the ultimate example of short term gain for horrible long term loss.

24 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:19:20pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

If enough people see what’s happening to the environment that’s their heritage as Canadians, that may change.

Tar sands are the ultimate example of short term gain for horrible long term loss.

No disagreement with the principle; but what it comes down to is if people will dig into their pockets instead of into the ground, so to speak. I am not optimistic about that and only hope for mitigating technology and policies.

25 Achilles Tang  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:24:44pm

BBL

26 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:26:02pm

re: #22 Achilles Tang

In truth, the Canadian Tar sands are not the tipping point regarding the future of people everywhere, they are just an obviously visible example.

I repeat, that the keystone pipeline only reduces transport costs (and transport related pollution from trucking) meaning oil company profitability; it does not change the base economics from a Canadian perspective.

What about the economic perspective of our carbon level getting jacked that much higher and all that land tilled under into a chemical cesspool?

If we’re going to monetize the cost of the tar, lets monetize everything.

Everything, such as cities have to be rebuilt/moved, entire regions of ag moving, not to mention more war.

27 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:32:18pm

I knew it was bad, but shit, not this bad.

28 SteveMcGazi  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:38:34pm

It doesn’t really matter whether the pipeline is built into the US or if it’s built to the coast for China. The problem with depending on oil is not our dependence on foreign oil, it’s the world’s dependence on foreign oil. I used to think that if we had been more efficient with our oil consumption, we may not have been so beholden to the Middle East. The problem is that even if we got our oil locally, all of our economic partners are still buying their oil on the international market.

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:39:11pm

Sen. Rand Paul ‘not familiar with the details’ of anti-abortion bill he sponsored

Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky on Wednesday claimed to be ignorant of the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act, even though he sponsored the legislation twice.

At a press event in Kentucky, LEO Weekly asked Paul why he supported the Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act, but not the Violence Against Women Act. Paul replied he was “not familiar with the details” of the anti-abortion bill.

The Child Interstate Abortion Notification Act would make it a federal crime for any adult to transport a minor across state lines to have an abortion without the consent of her parents. Paul cosponsored the bill in 2011 and again in 2013.

Fucking pathetic.

30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:41:29pm

and back to awesome.

Colorado lawmaker tells anti-gay Christians: ‘Get thee to a nunnery’

“Don’t claim religion as a reason the law should discriminate,” state Sen. Pat Steadman (D) said earlier this month. “We have laws against discrimination. Discrimination is banned in employment, and housing, and public accommodations, and so bakeries that serve the public aren’t supposed to look down their noses at one particular class of persons and say ‘we don’t sell cakes to you.’ It’s troubling, this discrimination. And it’s already illegal.”

“So, what to say to those who claim that religion requires them to discriminate?” the Colorado lawmaker continued. “I’ll tell you what I’d say: ‘Get thee to a nunnery!’ And live there then. Go live a monastic life away from modern society, away from people you can’t see as equals to yourself. Away from the stream of commerce where you may have to serve them or employ them or rent banquet halls to them.”

“Go some place and be as judgmental as you like. Go inside your church, establish separate water fountains in there if you want, but don’t claim that free exercise of religion requires the state of Colorado to establish separate water fountains for her citizens. That’s not what we’re doing here.”

31 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:43:08pm

re: #17 Achilles Tang

Secondly, the Keystone pipeline will carry much domestic oil as well as Canadian, and reduce overall pollution in the process by eliminating much diesel powered transport.

Er, when the pipeline ruptures, the resulting leaks and spills will more than make up for that (and yes, I said not if, but when - just see TransCanada’s terrible safety record for yourself)

As for the Chinese and “alternate pipelines”, there’s a metric shitload of opposition to that in Canada itself, especially BC (who would basically have to swallow all the risks of transporting that filth with hardly any of the temporary economic reward)

32 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 6:44:30pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

and back to awesome.

Colorado lawmaker tells anti-gay Christians: ‘Get thee to a nunnery’

Must be one of them “radical progressive liberals” we hear so much about.

//

34 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:01:45pm

All the written information I’ve seen doesn’t even begin to convey what Lenz’s photos and talk convey. You can read about a million tons of this and a billion tons of that, but after a while they’re just abstractions. Things like this drive it home (and the signals that penetrate my tinfoil say that’s why we’re not shown visualizations of it very often).

35 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:16:24pm

heh

36 chadu  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:19:30pm

O/T

Just noticed my Karma is currently 333.

If you know Unknown Armies, and the work I did on that game, you’d know why I’m amused.

Heh.

37 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:27:28pm

You can, of course, buy your own. Honestly, I’d be very happy if everyone cut and paste the image to their fb and twitter …

38 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:53:25pm

Has anyone noticed that the Yahoo front page became nebulous, fluffier, and more colorful? I wonder if they’re trying to confuse the news trolls.

39 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:53:36pm

re: #36 chadu

O/T

Just noticed my Karma is currently 333.

If you know Unknown Armies, and the work I did on that game, you’d know why I’m amused.

Heh.

Chad U? Sure, that actually makes sense from back when I would hang at Pyramid. I was always much more a Traveller geek though.

40 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 7:56:57pm

re: #36 chadu

O/T

Just noticed my Karma is currently 333.

If you know Unknown Armies, and the work I did on that game, you’d know why I’m amused.

Heh.

It’s the Number of Eric the Half a Beast.

41 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:23:03pm

re: #21 Stanley Sea

oh no. im not missing your nightly sign-off. my personal “today at work, meh”. But WW’s sign off, AHHH

How about one for ‘I’m baaack’:

Image: h44AB7220.jpg

42 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:29:25pm

Night Lizards. Be well. One and all.

43 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:46:23pm

so, i can’t figure out if i should take some aspirin so i can have a heart attack, or take a mood altering prescription medication so i can drive my car while sleeping

44 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:49:07pm

re: #43 engineer cat

so, i can’t figure out if i should take some aspirin so i can have a heart attack, or take a mood altering prescription medication so i can drive my car while sleeping

Or you could do this…

Report: Aspirin Taken Daily With Bottle Of Bourbon Reduces Awareness Of Heart Attacks

In a medical breakthrough that should come as welcome news for millions of at-risk Americans, University of Pennsylvania cardiologists announced Tuesday that taking one aspirin tablet and a fifth of bourbon daily can “significantly reduce” an individual’s awareness of heart attacks.

45 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:51:41pm

re: #44 Interesting Times

bourbon

that was definitely on my mind today since my sinuses ache from a headcold, but i couldn’t find any in the breakroom

46 erik_t  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 8:58:09pm

re: #45 engineer cat

bourbon

that was definitely on my mind today since my sinuses ache from a headcold, but i couldn’t find any in the breakroom

A breakroom without bourbon?!

I suggest you submit your resignation immediately.

47 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:09:18pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

and back to awesome.

Colorado lawmaker tells anti-gay Christians: ‘Get thee to a nunnery’

That was an unwise thing to say. It’s going to be taken as bashing Catholicism and it’ll be used to portray her as hostile to religion.

If a significant share of her electorate are Catholic, I’d make sure that I got those words in front of them posthaste. The resultant begative publicity would trim her sails, I think.

48 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:15:42pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

That was an unwise thing to say. It’s going to be taken as bashing Catholicism and it’ll be used to portray her as hostile to religion.

If a significant share of her electorate are Catholic, I’d make sure that I got those words in front of them posthaste. The resultant begative publicity would trim her sails, I think.

Because one must never let bigots know you won’t put up with their shit.

49 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:18:09pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

That was an unwise thing to say. It’s going to be taken as bashing Catholicism and it’ll be used to portray her as hostile to religion.

If a significant share of her electorate are Catholic, I’d make sure that I got those words in front of them posthaste. The resultant begative publicity would trim her sails, I think.

What percentage of Catholics want gay marriage to be illegal? Here’s what I found:

Surprise?! Poll shows Catholics favor legal recognition of gay relationships at higher than average rates

50 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:23:22pm

Can’t wait for gay marriage to be legalized all over America. Then I can stop hearing about how great gay marriage is and move in. So boring.

51 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:25:14pm

re: #48 Kragar (Antichrist )

Because one must never let bigots know you won’t put up with their shit.

She could have done that without the poorly chose Shakespeare quote. I wouldn’t even mention gay marriage in my reply, I’d just go after her words and ‘attitude towards Catholicism’. The object is weaken a political adversary in the eyes of the voters, not to actually debate an issue.

52 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:39pm

Speaking of conservation photography, from my sister in law:

Image: 485342_10151272224992540_1439732485_n.jpg

53 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:37:54pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

and back to awesome.

Colorado lawmaker tells anti-gay Christians: ‘Get thee to a nunnery’

Thank you for linking something today I can upding.

54 klys  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:40:27pm

re: #50 Gus

Can’t wait for gay marriage to be legalized all over America. Then I can stop hearing about how great gay marriage is and move in. So boring.

Man, I’m sure gay people think it’s boring too.

//

55 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:42:22pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Speaking of conservation photography, from my sister in law:

Image: 485342_10151272224992540_1439732485_n.jpg

Save that one for Killgore!

56 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:43:11pm

re: #54 klys

Man, I’m sure gay people think it’s boring too.

//

Yep. Only because I’m with the KKK obviously.

57 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:44:50pm

re: #55 Dark_Falcon

Save that one for Killgore!

Killgore ruins lives! //

58 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:46:29pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

Colorado lawmaker tells anti-gay Christians: ‘Get thee to a nunnery’

and bring shrubbery.

59 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:50:13pm

I’ve already brushed my teeth…

Later, lizards.

60 Gus  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 9:51:13pm
61 Mich-again  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:15:43pm

The video reminds me of something Thomas Jefferson said. “The Earth belongs to the living in usufruction.” Meaning you only own what you own while you are alive and after that whatever you owned belongs to the next bunch. There is no natural law that says the dead should control what happens after they are gone and the piece of earth you “owned” should be left intact for the next person who owns it. We are just a stewards of the land, so go ahead and use it, but don’t F*ck it up for those who will follow.

Everything about our civilization seems to contradict that quote from TJ3. Now the prevailing thought is the Earth is a busted pinata so grab what you can quickly before someone else does.

62 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:31:37pm
63 Shvaughn  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:40:29pm

re: #36 chadu

O/T

Just noticed my Karma is currently 333.

If you know Unknown Armies, and the work I did on that game, you’d know why I’m amused.

Heh.

Oh, wow, you’re that Chadu. I didn’t realize.

64 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:43:11pm

re: #63 Shvaughn

Oh, wow, you’re that Chadu. I didn’t realize.

Lol, just realized that myself…

65 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:50:46pm

So I thought it would be interesting to install Linux…

66 dragonath  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 10:54:49pm

f u ubuntu

67 Amory Blaine  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:04:28pm

Experts see no big gain for economy, taxpayers in Scott Walker’s budget proposal

Gov. Scott Walker’s proposed income tax cut is likely too small to help individual taxpayers or the Wisconsin economy but could be large enough to harm the state’s future fiscal soundness, according to experts reacting Thursday to the governor’s 2013-15 budget.

However, some said the cut would send a positive signal, echoing the governor’s budget address on Wednesday.

“The message sent by this cut to businesses and workers will hopefully help keep our best and brightest here, which can only improve the state’s economy and overall quality of life,” said Mike Ford, research director of the free-market Wisconsin Policy Research Institute.

The two-year spending plan calls for a state income tax cut averaging $106 for a family of four earning $80,000 a year. That’s about $2 per week.

For low-income taxpayers, the cut is even more miserly: An estimated $2 a year for those earning less than $21,000, according to an analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy done for the Wisconsin Budget Project. That analysis also showed the wealthiest taxpayers, those earning $374,000 or more, would see a cut of $285

68 Mentis Fugit  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:36:15pm

re: #51 Dark_Falcon

She could have done that without the poorly chose Shakespeare quote. I wouldn’t even mention gay marriage in my reply, I’d just go after her words and ‘attitude towards Catholicism’. The object is weaken a political adversary in the eyes of the voters, not to actually debate an issue.

DF, this liberal lapsed Catholic has no reason to believe that his more conservative, practising parents would give a shit any more than he does. Of course, I realise that ‘Merkins tend to be more precious about religion than, well, anyone, but even so…

Also, composing comments on an iPhone is painful!

69 freetoken  Thu, Feb 21, 2013 11:53:11pm

Slogging through my genealogy, working on a different side now… it is claimed by those who compile these things that I am descended from heads of the Isles, hardy souls who lived on the edge of the sea, and were the result of the mixing of Vikings with locals.

This goes out to the ancestors of old:

70 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 12:55:51am

God, this sucks:

WASHINGTON — A veteran of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, former Marine Capt. Timothy Kudo thinks of himself as a killer — and he carries the guilt every day.

“I can’t forgive myself,” he says. “And the people who can forgive me are dead.”

With American troops at war for more than a decade, there’s been an unprecedented number of studies into war zone psychology and an evolving understanding of post-traumatic stress disorder. Clinicians suspect some troops are suffering from what they call “moral injuries” — wounds from having done something, or failed to stop something, that violates their moral code.

Though there may be some overlap in symptoms, moral injuries aren’t what most people think of as PTSD, the nightmares and flashbacks of terrifying, life-threatening combat events. A moral injury tortures the conscience; symptoms include deep shame, guilt and rage. It’s not a medical problem, and it’s unclear how to treat it, says retired Col. Elspeth Ritchie, former psychiatry consultant to the Army surgeon general.

“The concept … is more an existentialist one,” she says.

71 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 2:38:57am

It’s an hour before dawn, 63 degrees. Wonder if Brother Fischer would like to do a global warming homily on that.

‘Morning, all.

72 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 3:30:19am

re: #71 Decatur Deb

I rag on New York compared to San Francisco but the dawn this morning is a beautiful purple-pink that P.G. Wodehouse would have described as the color of a perfectly done turn of roast beef.

73 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 3:45:54am

re: #72 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I rag on New York compared to San Francisco but the dawn this morning is a beautiful purple-pink that P.G. Wodehouse would have described as the color of a perfectly done turn of roast beef.

“Red sky at morning, sailor take Worcestershire.”

74 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 4:01:47am

re: #61 Mich-again

The video reminds me of something Thomas Jefferson said. “The Earth belongs to the living in usufruction.” Meaning you only own what you own while you are alive and after that whatever you owned belongs to the next bunch. There is no natural law that says the dead should control what happens after they are gone and the piece of earth you “owned” should be left intact for the next person who owns it. We are just a stewards of the land, so go ahead and use it, but don’t F*ck it up for those who will follow.

Everything about our civilization seems to contradict that quote from TJ3. Now the prevailing thought is the Earth is a busted pinata so grab what you can quickly before someone else does.

I like this old piece of Native American wisdom.

We do not inherit the land from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children.

75 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:05:24am

Snow is coming down pretty hard now. It looks like we are getting the ass end of that storm that pounded St. Louis. Snow was swirling over the roadway on the drive in to work, reminded me of the conditions 2 years ago when I had the spinout.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:22:05am

We’re up on the northern edge of it here in Hayward, WI. Light snow right now but with a heavy cloud cover so it’s really grey and gloomy even though we’re only expecting 2 ~ 4 inches of snow. Good for the American Birkebiner cross country ski race tomorrow, I suppose. My knees and back ache just thinking about it.

77 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:43:16am

Well Great. If this freaking sequester thing happens it looks like there might be a 6 month or more delay in my son getting the long term acceptance into the program he was just evaluated for. Damn it. He spent a month up there and it was looking like he’d be home for 3 weeks (he came back yesterday) and then the duckies would be lined up so he could go back and prep for starting the next full semester in college. But noooo, Congressional Idiots decided that this would be a great thing to fuck over Obama with. I realize this is going to effect a ton of people, but honest to god, is it mandatory to include poor and disabled people in that? I guess they just don’t suffer nearly enough or have a hard enough time.

The kiddo told us last night he wants to major in Criminal Justice and Sociology, maybe work for the GBI or FBI someday. This is the first time he’s actually voiced a plan for what he wants to do with his life. If this gets derailed I am going to become a force to be reckoned with.

Oh, and my husband just found out he’s being let go from his job a week from today. The company is shutting down it’s GA operation entirely and they aren’t moving those jobs anywhere else. The third job loss in 5 years. Yay.

78 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:44:03am
79 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:48:06am
80 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:48:35am

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

DF, I like you but for once stop thinking about political teams and listen to what that person with a (D) after their name was saying. They brought up a salient point — religious bigots have a choice. They can go separate themselves from people they don’t consider equals if they like. The state is not obligated to cater to their bigotry.

So what if a bunch of religious bigots with an (R) after their names get their panties in a twist over what she said? It’s a hard truth. The state isn’t obligated to codify your religious beliefs.

81 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:49:14am

I know the wingnuts are gonna say that if it’s someone the victim knows & trusts, it’s not a “legitimate rape.”

82 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:50:47am

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

It’s not and the assholes saying otherwise know it. That they would use rape as a cover for their gun fetish says all you really need to know about who they are and what they do.

Guns mean more to them than people,there’s really no other explanation.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:51:47am

Hope the folks in the Midwest and everyone generally being hit by the latest snows today into the weekend take it safe.

It’s always amazing to watch guys in 4x4s driving with abandon ignoring that 4 wheel drive doesn’t mean 4 wheel braking or grip. Better take it slow and get to where you’ve got to go than race headlong into a ditch, or worse.

Hey, let’s be careful out there.

/sounding like Sarge Esterhaus from HSB.

84 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:53:23am

re: #79 Vicious Babushka

That article was written by @AmandaMarcotte - you should have seen the invective directed her way by wingnuts basically rehashing variants of

OMG you don’t want teh wimminz to defend themselves!!!11!!

It gave me a small taste of how you must feel when you read your Derp lists.

85 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:55:42am

re: #84 Interesting Times

That article was written by @AmandaMarcotte - you should have seen the invective directed her way by wingnuts basically rehashing variants of

It gave me a small taste of how you must feel when you read your Derp lists.

I used to think Amanda Marcotte was a crazy moonbat, now I see that she makes a lot of sense. She has been a victim so she knows what she is talking about.

86 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 5:59:48am

re: #84 Interesting Times

Which is hilarious since Amanda has been targeted repeatedly by wingnuts for being an evildemondebil feminist. Now I thought the definition of feminist was someone who put women’s rights as a top priority and considers men and women to be equal, not just under the law but in all other areas of life too. So that would include gun ownership right along with equal pay and anti -discrimination. Morons. All she’s saying is that guns aren’t a magical cure for rape.

87 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:01:51am

re: #81 Vicious Babushka

I know the wingnuts are gonna say that if it’s someone the victim knows & trusts, it’s not a “legitimate rape.”

And thus the Circle of Derp doth close in on itself…to choruses of the religious right admonishing us that this is to be expected when we banish God from schools and public life…

88 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:02:24am
89 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:08:08am

re: #7 Interesting Times

And it’s not even worth it from a purely short-term, selfish, Randian economic viewpoint!

Oil Sands Mining Uses Up Almost as Much Energy as It Produces

Which of course means that, for tar sands to be profitable for their ultimate owners, the Kochs, oil and gas prices need to stay wallet-wallopingly high.

With the amount of bulk they are getting from these reserves, and the fact they don’t give a shit about the environment or the people, thats a damn good ROI.

90 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:09:04am

Your Friday morning Godwin:

91 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:09:49am
92 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:14:19am
93 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:14:58am

re: #80 Lidane

DF, I like you but for once stop thinking about political teams and listen to what that person with a (D) after their name was saying. They brought up a salient point — religious bigots have a choice. They can go separate themselves from people they don’t consider equals if they like. The state is not obligated to cater to their bigotry.

So what if a bunch of religious bigots with an (R) after their names get their panties in a twist over what she said? It’s a hard truth. The state isn’t obligated to codify your religious beliefs.

In fact it is specifically prevented from doing so.

94 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:17:00am

re: #83 lawhawk

Hope the folks in the Midwest and everyone generally being hit by the latest snows today into the weekend take it safe.

[snip]

Hey, let’s be careful out there.

/sounding like Sarge Esterhaus from HSB.

Like a midget at a urinal, stay on your toes!

95 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:20:15am

Cue the angry tweets on TCOT and TGDN:

96 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:28:08am

re: #86 A Mom Anon

All she’s saying is that guns aren’t a magical cure for rape.

And this is the story wingnuts love to exploit to prove they are:

Rape Survivor: A Call Box Above My Head While I Was Being Brutally Raped Wouldn’t Have Helped (yeah, it’s townhall…sorry I can’t find a different link):

“If I had been carrying that night, two other rapes would have been prevented and a young life would have been saved,” Collins said. “All of these are just sentiments that give a false sense of security. In my experience I know that the university that I attended, the University of Nevada-Reno, they didn’t didn’t have any call boxes the night I was attacked. They afterwards installed them but I can tell you that a call box above my head while I was straddled on the parking garage floor being brutally raped wouldn’t have helped me one bit. The safe zone? I was in a safe zone and my attacker didn’t care,” Collins said. “It’s known that I could see the police cruisers less than 50 feet away from me, from where I was being attacked but the moment I saw those cruisers, I knew at the same time that no one was coming for me….they were all off duty. The offices had closed. They weren’t in their cruisers, there was no one there. A whistle wouldn’t have gotten anybody’s attention. It was isolated, it was late at night. It’s really frustrating that I’m supposed to hand over my own protection to a man but they’re not able to guarantee our protection and the comments that this representative made about women not knowing if they’re going to be raped or accidentally shooting the wrong person was extremely offensive because he specifically targeted female students. So, is he saying that all women are unable to make sound decisions in the midst of that, that we should go against our God given gut instinct that something was wrong? I knew something was wrong the moment I was grabbed from behind.”

She was attacked by this evil creep, and it’s entirely understandable why she’d feel the way she does - “if I only I’d had a gun, I could have saved myself and others”. If you parse her statement above, however, I’m sure you can see several other factors, like lousy campus security, that contributed to her assault. Plus, the rapist always has the element of surprise on their side, and he grabbed her from behind - this goes to something else that’s been bothering me - how is a gun supposed to effectively protect you in a “close combat” scenario? Unless the other person is completely still and you already have it at their head, you need space to be able to grab, wield and aim it effectively. If grabbed from behind and restrained, you can’t even get to the gun in the first place (unless the NRA is expecting you to walk around with it in hand, ready to fire at a moment’s notice)

97 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:40:31am

re: #83 lawhawk

Hope the folks in the Midwest and everyone generally being hit by the latest snows today into the weekend take it safe.

It’s always amazing to watch guys in 4x4s driving with abandon ignoring that 4 wheel drive doesn’t mean 4 wheel braking or grip. Better take it slow and get to where you’ve got to go than race headlong into a ditch, or worse.

Hey, let’s be careful out there.

/sounding like Sarge Esterhaus from HSB.

My Jeep was great on snow. All wheel drive…never had a problem. Now I have 4WD and that’s a different story. All wheel drive doesn’t have any advantages with ice though.

98 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:41:44am

re: #96 Interesting Times

At that point, that gun is going to wind up in the rapist/attackers hands and has more of a chance of being used against you or in another crime than she would have defending herself. Not to mention that for it to be even close to feasible in her scenario, it would need to be loaded, with 1 in the chamber (if it’s a semi-auto like a Glock) and/or cocked and ready to fire (in which case there’s way more of a likelihood of an accidental shooting in any type of scenario).

I sympathize with her, but the mindset there is wrong.

99 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:45:28am

re: #96 Interesting Times

You know, women can do all the things we’re taught to do from birth, you know the list: don’t go out at night alone, don’t dress too sexy, don’t leave your doors unlocked, don’t drink to much or party too much, etc,etc,etc, and even doing that rape still happens to women who follow all the “rules”. So maybe the problem isn’t the victims, you know it might be THE RAPISTS.

Where are all the rules for men to follow?(and yes, I know that rape happens to men, but more often than not it’s at the hands of other men). Maybe we ought to be teaching men to stand up and say that the jokes aren’t ok, that it’s not entertainment, that women are people and not playthings. I know there are many, many wonderful men who already do these things, but it’s not helping to combat the problem and the stereotypes. If it was socially unacceptable to be a fucking asshole instead of it being rewarded so often that might be a start. Like it or not, as women we need to begin being more accepting of the fact that we need men to combat this, and there should be (IMO) more of an effort to include them in this fight in larger numbers. This isn’t a women’s issue, it’s a HUMAN issue.

100 chadu  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:51:12am

re: #39 William Barnett-Lewis

Yup! Pyramid alumni, let us fnord together!

101 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:51:22am

re: #96 Interesting Times

She was attacked by this evil creep, and it’s entirely understandable why she’d feel the way she does - “if I only I’d had a gun, I could have saved myself and others”. If you parse her statement above, however, I’m sure you can see several other factors, like lousy campus security, that contributed to her assault. Plus, the rapist always has the element of surprise on their side, and he grabbed her from behind - this goes to something else that’s been bothering me - how is a gun supposed to effectively protect you in a “close combat” scenario? Unless the other person is completely still and you already have it at their head, you need space to be able to grab, wield and aim it effectively. If grabbed from behind and restrained, you can’t even get to the gun in the first place (unless the NRA is expecting you to walk around with it in hand, ready to fire at a moment’s notice)

Avoid, Escape, Evade. You usually see the last two switched, but when I taught I decided that my way made more sense (go figure). Anyway, There are half a dozen basic moves that if practiced and used will get you out of the majority of grabs and tackles. I always insisted that every move end with a sprint. Ten steps lead gives enough room to start thinking whether to continue fleeing, to draw whistle or taser or spray or gun, to start calling for help.

But unless the attacker telegraphs his attack early enough there isn’t time to draw.

102 chadu  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:57:31am

re: #63 Shvaughn

Oh, wow, you’re that Chadu. I didn’t realize.

There’s more than one? Isn’t just me enough for you people?

I might have known it would end up like this. To think of all the love and affection I’ve wasted on you. Well, if that’s how you treat your poor old mother writer in the autumn years of her his life, all I can say is, ‘Go ahead. Be crucified. See if I care.’

;)

103 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:58:37am

DERP DERP DERP

104 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 6:59:02am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

So maybe the problem isn’t the victims, you know it might be THE RAPISTS.

That’s the premise of this satirical rape prevention list. Mention the very concept to wingnuts, however, and you’ll instantly be hit with a barrage of

Durr hurr, let’s tell people not to steal and murder too, and it’ll magically go away! Derp.

They scoff at the very concept of education and awareness campaigns.

105 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:01:01am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP DERP

That guy…looks old enough to be living off….Medicare and Social Security (by my guess anyway). The irony abounds.

Sounds like a fucking dick either way.

106 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:01:24am

OK wingnuts, go ahead and totally use your AR-15 on the rapist, then explain to your Grandma why you had to blow away creepy Uncle Mark.

107 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:01:27am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

You know, women can do all the things we’re taught to do from birth, you know the list: don’t go out at night alone, don’t dress too sexy, don’t leave your doors unlocked, don’t drink to much or party too much, etc,etc,etc, and even doing that rape still happens to women who follow all the “rules”. So maybe the problem isn’t the victims, you know it might be THE RAPISTS.

Where are all the rules for men to follow?(and yes, I know that rape happens to men, but more often than not it’s at the hands of other men). Maybe we ought to be teaching men to stand up and say that the jokes aren’t ok, that it’s not entertainment, that women are people and not playthings. I know there are many, many wonderful men who already do these things, but it’s not helping to combat the problem and the stereotypes. If it was socially unacceptable to be a fucking asshole instead of it being rewarded so often that might be a start. Like it or not, as women we need to begin being more accepting of the fact that we need men to combat this, and there should be (IMO) more of an effort to include them in this fight in larger numbers. This isn’t a women’s issue, it’s a HUMAN issue.

There’s been a real row in the skeptic/atheist community over the issue of feminism and male privilege, and your post really touches on that. I think the thing that really hits home is your opening: as a woman, you’re practically born being on the defensive, and men 99% of the time don’t give this a second thought.

It’s not to say every guy is a chauvinist pig, but we generally don’t have to worry abou this kind of stuff. Screaming “Well, it happens to men, too!” and “I don’t do that, so it’s not a problem” doesn’t help.

108 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:02:48am

ZOMG! Da Jooz are in America! Eleventy!

109 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:03:50am

What right-wing anti-Semitism? (see above)

110 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:04:15am

Damn Lidane, who connected our brains?

111 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:04:35am

re: #108 Lidane

Made me think of this. /Shrug

112 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:05:21am
113 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:07:27am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

How many twitter handles has derpnuts used to spread his birtherism crap? Reducto ab derpo

114 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:09:31am

re: #113 lawhawk

How many twitter handles has derpnuts used to spread his birtherism crap? Reducto ab derpo

He has 2 twitter accounts, one to Tweet while the other one is in Gulag.

115 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:12:31am

re: #107 Mattand

There’s been a real row in the skeptic/atheist community over the issue of feminism and male privilege, and your post really touches on that. I think the thing that really hits home is your opening: as a woman, you’re practically born being on the defensive, and men 99% don’t give this a second thought.

It’s not to say every guy is a chauvinist pig, but we generally don’t have to worry abou this kind of stuff. Screaming “Well, it happens to men, too!” and “I don’t do that, so it’s not a problem” doesn’t help.

And because we are safe, we do not usually see the threatening situations. Heck, we often - without thinking about it - abet the abusers and rapists among us.

Simple example, how often have you agreed with or seen agreement to “Damn, I’d like to bang that” - at work?

116 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:16:37am

re: #107 Mattand

Yep, this is why I am not part of any sort of “community” related to my lack of religion. I tried to be, but I would end up in tears after every encounter related to discussions of men and women and privledge. I love it when some guy tells me an assault like mine is all in my head, or that it’s not a “real” problem because it’s not that common or whatever the crap du jour was. Don’t even get me started on date rape and how those discussions went. I have enough battles to fight, fuck that noise.

Thank you for recognizing the issue and getting what I wrote.

117 Sionainn  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:21:56am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP DERP

That dope is still going on about this?

118 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:24:02am

re: #117 Sionainn

That dope is still going on about this?

The Derp that keeps on Derpin’

119 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:26:00am

re: #117 Sionainn

That dope is still going on about this?

He’s got one note, and he’s gonna sing the fuck out of it.

‘Morning, Lizards.

120 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:27:08am

DERP DERP

121 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:27:42am

re: #117 Sionainn

That dope is still going on about this?

If it weren’t for that multiple social security having, socialist-commie sympathizing 0bama. He’d have nothing to tweet. //

122 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:28:02am

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM? (not embedding here, click on Tweet at own risk)

123 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:29:09am

re: #116 A Mom Anon

Yep, this is why I am not part of any sort of “community” related to my lack of religion. I tried to be, but I would end up in tears after every encounter related to discussions of men and women and privledge. I love it when some guy tells me an assault like mine is all in my head, or that it’s not a “real” problem because it’s not that common or whatever the crap du jour was. Don’t even get me started on date rape and how those discussions went. I have enough battles to fight, fuck that noise.

Thank you for recognizing the issue and getting what I wrote.

Well, if I’m being honest, I’m recognizing the issue because of what Rebecca Waston of Skepchick.org has gone through the last few years, and what PZ Meyers has been writing about it. Prior to that, in all reality, I was pretty fucking oblivious to it.

124 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:29:47am

re: #104 Interesting Times

That’s the premise of this satirical rape prevention list. Mention the very concept to wingnuts, however, and you’ll instantly be hit with a barrage of

They scoff at the very concept of education and awareness campaigns.

But if they just learned about jesus everything would be right with the world. Education and awareness of jesus is the only salvation.

// kinda, because they do say that

125 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:32:29am

re: #108 Lidane

@realalexjones sez #America is run by #Foreigners. Actually we are run by int’l #Jews, many of which are within the #USA! #ccot #tcot #tgdn
— Jason Reinhardt (@JasonReinhardt7) February 22, 2013

And I bet he watches Faux news that is run and majority owned by foreigners (Australian, Saudi, Chinese).

126 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:34:44am

re: #125 Eventual Carrion

And I bet he watches Faux news that is run and majority owned by foreigners (Australian, Saudi, Chinese).

What cracks me up are the wingnuts who have little flags of Israel in their Twitter avatars, are all going ballistic on Chuck Hagel and Obama for not being “pro-Israel” enough, and are totally blind to this neo-nazi douche.

127 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:40:18am

Wingnut cognitive processes in action:

128 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:42:24am

re: #127 Interesting Times

Holy crap! The wingnuts really, really have trouble with reality, don’t they?

129 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:42:36am

re: #123 Mattand

Well, if I’m being honest, I’m recognizing the issue because of what Rebecca Waston of Skepchick.org has gone through the last few years, and what PZ Meyers has been writing about it. Prior to that, in all reality, I was pretty fucking oblivious to it.

Goes for most of us. I’m a white male, grew up in a Christian family in Colorado and Kansas. Even though my high school was heavily integrated and I had non-white friends, it took me spending time in a non-white nation and experiencing the mistrust just because of race and national origin to get a clue. And sitting as “invisible tech” at a sexual abuse round table… went home and asked my mother and my sister if they’d ever been raped or sexually assaulted, got “yes” and a refusal to discuss further.

I’m still blind and stupid a lot more than I should be, yet I’m appalled at the ignorance I see among the privileged.

130 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:44:40am

re: #127 Interesting Times

Wingnut cognitive processes in action:

That’s just…wow. “Yeah, that’s cool and all, but don’t ever tell me my gobbledegook is wrong!”

This is why we can’t have nice things people. Too many willfully ignorant dumbfucks masquerading as functional members of the planet.

131 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:44:51am

re: #127 Interesting Times

Wingnut cognitive processes in action:

I get similar responses and !11!SPAM BLOCK TEH LIBRUL TROLL BABUSHKA!1!!TY whenever I correct a Fake Quote.

Wingnuts sure loves ‘em some Fake Quotes.

This is my favorite Fake Quote.

132 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:46:37am

re: #108 Lidane

George Soros!! /

133 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:47:32am

re: #95 Lidane

Nah. They’re all “pro-life” aren’t they?

////

134 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:48:57am

Nothing like “Truck Tire Tenderized” roadkill for the grill!!!

[Link: abcnews.go.com…]
Montana Bill Would Legalize Roadkill Dining

It’s worth noting that Montana is not the first state to pass this type of law. Colorado, Illinois and Indiana are among states that currently allow motorists the privilege of salvaging roadkill under certain circumstances.

It’s legal in Georgia too

135 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:50:38am

re: #90 Lidane

So the U.S. is preparing to invade Poland? Canada?

Also, too, the i will not comply hashtag sounds promising. They won’t comply in receiving their Social Security and Medicare? They won’t comply in receiving or repaying their student loans? They won’t comply in registering their cars or getting drivers licenses? /

136 darthstar  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:52:31am

Mornin’ everyone…I see from Alouette that the derp starts early…

137 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:54:02am

re: #136 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone…I see from Alouette that the derp starts early…

U R so SPAM BLOCKED by Voting Feline, er Female. (we can’t be sure that isn’t a cat Tweeting just for Teh LULZ)

138 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:54:53am

re: #129 kirkspencer

Goes for most of us. I’m a white male, grew up in a Christian family in Colorado and Kansas. Even though my high school was heavily integrated and I had non-white friends, it took me spending time in a non-white nation and experiencing the mistrust just because of race and national origin to get a clue. And sitting as “invisible tech” at a sexual abuse round table… went home and asked my mother and my sister if they’d ever been raped or sexually assaulted, got “yes” and a refusal to discuss further.

I’m still blind and stupid a lot more than I should be, yet I’m appalled at the ignorance I see among the privileged.

An eye opener for me about race was when I got harassed by a couple of NJ Transit cops on a train out of NYC. I had hair down to my shoulders at time, and had my feet up on the seat.

These two guys eyeballed me 3 times and then asked me to step into the vestibule. I was then informed that a person matching my description was seen in Manhattan purchasing drugs, and if I got rid of them now, there’d be no trouble.

Needless to say, I was pretty pissed. To this day, the only recreational drug I’ve used is alcohol. Told these two that and got laughed at, and then was free to go.

It literally dawned on me right then and there, “God, can you imagine having to go through that every week? Every day? So that’s what minorities complain about regarding the police.”

You’re experience with your mom and sis makes me wonder if I’ve been missing something in my own family as well.

139 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:55:23am

If the gubmint makes us register our gunz, whattts next? We’ll have to register our CaRzzz? OUr motercicles!!? We’ll have to PUT identifying numberz on our HOMEZZZ?!?! Then we’ll all be azzigned personal identification numberzzz of some sort?!? ….just to work!!!! THe madness!! TEH MADNEZZZZZ

140 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:55:30am

Just seen on Yahoo!

Ted Nugent dubs next tour ‘Black Power 2013’

You can’t make this stuff up.

141 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:56:56am

re: #140 Bulworth

Just seen on Yahoo!

You can’t make this stuff up.

Srsly? The dude’s finally lost what was left of his mind.

142 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:57:04am

re: #140 Bulworth

Just seen on Yahoo!

Ted Nugent dubs next tour ‘Black Power 2013’

You can’t make this stuff up.

And yet the racist pants-shitter finds another low to sink to. Congrats.

143 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:57:04am
144 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:57:29am

DON’T FORGET 2 WHERE UR TRICORNE & BUCKLE SHOES!!!111


145 dragonath  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:58:10am

re: #140 Bulworth

Yeah, I made a page on that. I’m speechless.

146 darthstar  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:59:12am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

U R so SPAM BLOCKED by Voting Feline, er Female. (we can’t be sure that isn’t a cat Tweeting just for Teh LULZ)

She can’t block me, I don’t follow her. But more than calling them idiots, questioning their actual ownership of their beloved guns is a greater insult and may force them to do something stupid like pose with their guns.

147 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 7:59:48am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Tomorrow a Day of Resistance!? Whonu? Damn lamestream media not telling us the important stuff again. /

148 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:00:22am

re: #146 darthstar

She can’t block me, I don’t follow her. But more than calling them idiots, questioning their actual ownership of their beloved guns is a greater insult and may force them to do something stupid like pose with their guns.

She blocked me and I don’t follow her. I can still see everything she Tweets, I just get little annoyance pop-ups.

149 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:00:36am

re: #141 makeitstop

Srsly? The dude’s finally lost what was left of his mind.

Oh the lights are on, but there hasn’t been anybody home for decades. He’s now so concerned with the black community that Obama and the Democrats destroyed (dafuq?) that he’s launching a tour in support of them…

I’d shit myself blind if his audience consisted of even 1% black folks.

150 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:00:57am

re: #144 Vicious Babushka

Tomorrow”Day of Resistance”Look Here see if there is a Rally near youdayofresistance.com/rally/#TGDN #lnyhbt #cvn #ocra#Resist44
— Valentine Cotton (@vmpcott) February 22, 2013

Fox “News” has already estimated that 11 million “people” attended these events.

151 darthstar  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:01:47am

Ha! Paranoid fucker is a GOP star too.

152 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:02:09am

Was Chelyabinsk meteor actually a meteor? Many Russians don’t think so.

A recent newspaper poll found nearly half of its readers believe that the event could be anything from a divine message to UFOs to a US weapons test.

…A survey published today by the fairly staid Moscow daily Noviye Izvestia found that barely half its readers believe the official report that the blast was caused by a meteor.

…According to the newspaper, the other half prefer to believe in an assortment of bizarre explanations, including that the blast was a secret US weapon test, an off-course ballistic missile, a message from God, a crashing alien spaceship, or even an extraterrestrial trojan horse carrying a deadly space virus to wipe out the Earth.

Heh.

153 darthstar  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:02:46am

re: #150 Dr. Matt

Fox “News” has already estimated that 11 million “people” attended these events.

Fox’s viewers resisting getting off the couch doesn’t count.

154 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:04:08am

re: #151 darthstar

Ha! Paranoid fucker is a GOP star too.

Oh no, somebody gave Cruz McCarthy’s list of commies from 1950.

155 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:07:30am

re: #151 darthstar

Saw that. Backhanded swipe at President Obama too (since Obama’s a HLS grad). Of course, there’s faculty who dispute Cruz’s claims, notably one who indicates that his numbers are wrong and another who indicates that Cruz’s recollections come into conflict with his own statements on a Latino HLS publication:

“We are puzzled by the Senator’s assertions, as we are unaware of any basis for them,” Robb London, a spokesman for Harvard Law School, told me. London noted that Cruz had contributed “warm reminiscences“ of the school by video for a reunion of Latino alumni. “We applaud the fact that he has pursued public service, as so many of our graduates have done. We are also proud of our longstanding tradition of freedom of speech and the robust range of views and debates on our campus.”

Harvard Law School Professor Charles Fried, a Republican who served as Ronald Reagan’s Solicitor General from 1985 to 1989, and who subsequently taught Cruz at the law school, suggests that his former student has his facts wrong. “I can right offhand count four “out” Republicans (including myself) and I don’t know how many closeted Republicans when Ted, who was my student and the editor on the Harvard Law Review who helped me with my Supreme Court foreword, was a student here.”

Fried went on to say that unlike Cruz, or McCarthy, who infamously kept tallies of alleged subversives, he had never tried to count Communists. “I have not taken a poll, but I would be surprised if there were any members of the faculty who ‘believed in the Communists overthrowing the U.S. government,’” he said. Under the Smith Act, it is a crime to actively engage in any organization pursuing the overthrow of the U.S. government.

Fried acknowledged that “there were a certain number (twelve seems to me too high) who were quite radical, but I doubt if any had allegiance or sympathy with anything called ‘the Communists,’ who at that time (unlike the thirties and forties) were in quite bad odor among radical intellectuals.” He pointed out that by the nineteen-nineties, Communist states were widely regarded as tyrannical. From Fried’s perspective, the radicals on the faculty were “a pain in the neck.” But he says that Cruz’s assertion that they were Communists “misunderstands what they were about.”

It may be that Cruz was referring to a group of left-leaning law professors who supported what they called Critical Legal Studies, a method of critiquing the political impact of the American legal system. Professor Duncan Kennedy, for instance, a leader of the faction, who declined to comment on Cruz’s accusation, counts himself as influenced by the writings of Karl Marx. But he regards himself as a social democrat, not a Communist, and has never advocated the overthrow of the U.S. government by Communists. Rather, he advocated widening admissions at the law school to under-served populations, hiring more minorities and women on the faculty, and paying all law professors equally.

Not particularly surprising that Cruz would conflate CLS with communism. Behind every door is a conspiracy to communism in the eyes of the modern GOP. Wish that was sarcasm, but when you hear the rhetoric on a daily basis - that’s the only conclusion you can reach.

156 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:09:32am

In all serious, what the fuck is “Day of Resistance”? What are they going to “resist”….a third trip to the buffet line?

157 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:10:38am

re: #155 lawhawk

This phantom chasing after supposed communists is a huge distraction from uncovering the list of radical secular islamacist fascists gay radicals trying to impose sharia law and Agenda 21.


/

158 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:10:40am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

In all serious, what the fuck is “Day of Resistance”? What are they going to “resist”….a third trip to the buffet line?

That’s a real life LOL.

This is the first I’m hearing of this. My God, the people who think this way…

159 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:10:42am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

In all serious, what the fuck is “Day of Resistance”? What are they going to “resist”….a third trip to the buffet line?

Maybe they will declare open war and fire on Fort Sumter. Bring it on you dumbass seesesh, this time the Yankees have drones.

160 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:14:13am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

I’m assuming this is an NRA special but maybe they’re planning to have an anti-minimum wage increase sit-in.

Also, too: aren’t rallies and protests and acts of resistance for dirty effin hippies? /

161 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:14:17am

re: #151 darthstar

Is this supposed to read:

Cool! New senator Ted Cruz actually railed against Commies on Harvard’s faculty.

or does he really mean:

Cool new senator Ted Cruz actually railed against Commies on Harvard’s faculty.

Because I see nothing cool about Ted Cruz. He doesn’t even know who Tupac is.

162 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:17:33am

re: #161 geoffm33

Because I see nothing cool about Ted Cruz. He doesn’t even know who Tupac is.

Reminds me of this

“This is a fakery. If they care at all about their children or grandchildren, and sometimes I doubt that – I think, you know, grandchildren now don’t write a thank-you for the Christmas presents, they’re walking on their pants with the cap on backwards listening to the enema man and Snoopy Snoopy Poop Dogg, and they don’t like them!” —Alan Simpson

163 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:17:49am

I actually did check out the website. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m pretty sure Obama doesn’t need Congressional approval to suggest stuff.

164 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:18:40am

re: #162 Ghost of Tom Joad

Is that on Alan Simpson’s Best Hits, or The Greatest Hits of Alan Simpson?

165 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:18:50am

re: #163 Mattand

I actually did check out the website. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m pretty sure Obama doesn’t need Congressional approval to suggest stuff.

Does this website claim that Obama issued 923 Executive Orders? That totally fake meme has been floating around Wingnutistan.

166 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:18:58am

re: #156 Dr. Matt

I’ve heard they picked 2/23 as the date because 223 is a kind of ammo or weapon(I’ll admit I am not really familiar with wtf they’re talking about since it’s been years since I have been anywhere near a firearm) used in some shooting(Newtown? Aurora? ) that they are afraid is going to be banned.

167 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:20:02am

re: #166 A Mom Anon

I’ve heard they picked 2/23 as the date because 223 is a kind of ammo or weapon(I’ll admit I am not really familiar with wtf they’re talking about since it’s been years since I have been anywhere near a firearm) used in some shooting(Newtown? Aurora? ) that they are afraid is going to be banned.

.223 is what AR-15s fire.

168 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:20:13am

re: #163 Mattand

And you instantly get reply-spammed :)

169 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:21:23am

Scandal drags down Menendez’s approval rating

Investigations into Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., have yet to lead to any official charges of wrongdoing, but the controversy — which revolves around his ties to a political donor and the allegation he solicited prostitutes in the Dominican Republic — is still taking a toll on his approval rating.

Just 36 percent of New Jersey voters approve of the job Menendez is doing, while 41 percent disapprove, according to a new Quinnipiac poll, conducted Feb. 13-17.

That’s a 15-point drop from Quinnipiac’s Jan. 23 poll, when 51 percent of voters approved of the job Menendez is doing. News of FBI investigations linked to Menendez began to emerge about a week after that, when the FBI raided the West Palm Beach, Fla., office of doctor Salomon Melgen. Melgen, who was accused of improperly billing Medicare nearly $9 million, is a close friend and donor of Menendez’s.

170 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:21:24am

re: #163 Mattand

I actually did check out the website. Maybe I’m missing something, but I’m pretty sure Obama doesn’t need Congressional approval to suggest stuff.

No DoR events near me. Too bad, it would have been nice to go check out the RW Loon in its natural habitat. I ain’t driving to Rochester for that, though.

171 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:21:37am

re: #168 geoffm33

And you instantly get reply-spammed :)

For some reason they think putting a . before the @ sign means they can’t get replied to, or spam blocked, or suspended, or something.

172 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:21:57am

re: #163 Mattand

This Maryland “rally” isn’t filling me with confidence:

Maryland:

Westminster, MD Day of Resistance Flash Mob
Location: Any retailer in your Maryland neighborhoodTime: 12:23 PM
Special Instructions: Flash Mob of Patriots to pick a WalMart, Target, Giant, Safeway, Dollar Tree in your neighborhood-any where that has lots of people shopping that time of day. At 12:23 PM Patriots sing My County ‘Tis of Thee, This Land is Your Land and God Bless America while others in the group hand out contact information for Gov O’Malley and MD’s state legislature. Handout and song lyrics available at [Link: www.wtpccmd.org…]
Sponsoring Organization: We the People, Carroll County, MD
Contact Information: Michelle Jefferson 410.259.2102 michellejefferson2010@gmail.com
Website: [Link: www.wtpccmd.org…]

LOLZ

173 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:22:53am

Any “resistance” events in the apocalyptic hellscape that used to be Detroit?

174 Dr. Matt  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:23:12am

re: #166 A Mom Anon

I’ve heard they picked 2/23 as the date because 223 is a kind of ammo or weapon(I’ll admit I am not really familiar with wtf they’re talking about since it’s been years since I have been anywhere near a firearm) used in some shooting(Newtown? Aurora? ) that they are afraid is going to be banned.

Ah. Yeah. I remember this whinefest. Yes, the 0.223 is the caliber of the ammunition used in the AR-15 so they so “cleverly” chose 2/23 to bitch and celebrate and to make poorly worded signage or something…..

175 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:23:33am

re: #165 Vicious Babushka

Does this website claim that Obama issued 923 Executive Orders? That totally fake meme has been floating around Wingnutistan.

Their home page cites his non-existent 23 anti-2A executive orders. The ‘23’ is the number of internal Executive Branch suggestions gathered in the anti-slaughter effort. A small number of them could be framed as future EOs, which apply only to the operation of Executive Branch agencies.

176 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:23:39am

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

For some reason they think putting a . before the @ sign means they can’t get replied to, or spam blocked, or suspended, or something.

In this case, there are spam bots that reply to people with just a link. The link goes to some money making scam site. I imagine they lurk through the popular hashtags.

177 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:23:59am

The list of Washington D.C. resistance rallies looks a little slim, too:

Delaware:

Dover Delaware Day of Resistance
Location: Rt 13 Dover Next to the Dover Mall on sidewalk in front of pier 1 and uno’s. Parking behind Uno’s
Time: 1pm – 3pm
Sponsoring Organization: 9-12 Delaware Patriots
Contact Information: info@912delawarepatriots.com
Website: 9-12 Delaware Patriots

District of Columbia:

Florida:

Brevard County Florida/Melbourne area Day of Resistance Rally
Location: Pineapple Park, Pineapple Ave.
Time: 12 noon
Sponsoring Organization:
Organizer Contact: Julia Craft
Facebook Page: [Link: www.facebook.com…]

178 dragonath  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:24:11am

re: #172 Bulworth

I bet Woody “This Machine Kills Fascists” Guthrie would reeeeealy appreciate TeaBaggers singing “This Land is Your Land” .

179 A Mom Anon  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:24:22am

re: #167 Ghost of Tom Joad

LOL, ok I thought that was it but didn’t want to be an ignoramus. Guns are not my specialty.

180 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:24:52am

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Tyrannies! //

181 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:25:10am

re: #174 Dr. Matt

Ah. Yeah. I remember this whinefest. Yes, the 0.223 is the caliber of the AR-15 so they so “cleverly” chose 2/23 to bitch and celebrate and to make poorly worded signage or something…..

You can take my .223 bullets when:

it’s used to shoot up a movie theatre

it’s used to murder innocent school children

you pry it from my cold dead hands!

182 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:25:41am

re: #178 dragonath

I bet Woody “This Machine Kills Fascists” Guthrie would reeeeealy appreciate TeaBaggers singing “This Land is Your Land” .

“All you them fascists bound to lose.”

183 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:26:09am

re: #181 geoffm33

I always feel like I recognize you. You don’t live around Cambridge, do you?

184 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:26:59am

re: #169 NJDhockeyfan

Scandal drags down Menendez’s approval rating

From what I’ve read, there’s no evidence that Menendez consorted with any prostitutes, under age or otherwise.

Hey, if you can’t vote ‘em out, smear ‘em out. Thanks, GOP!

185 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:27:26am

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

Apparently not, but here is one in Lansing that looks like it will be a rocking good time.

Lansing Day of Resistance
Location: TBD
Time: TBD
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Justin Thompson[no phone numbers allowed]
Facebook Page: [Link: www.facebook.com…]

186 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:28:29am

re: #183 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Close, I work in Cambridge.

187 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:28:41am

re: #185 Bulworth

Apparently not, but here is one in Lansing that looks like it will be a rocking good time.

The Lansing event should be fun. That’s where AFP collapsed their tent and claimed it was knocked down by “Union Thugs”

188 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:28:45am

re: #171 Vicious Babushka

For some reason they think putting a . before the @ sign means they can’t get replied to, or spam blocked, or suspended, or something.

Actually, the period makes the conversation viewable by all, I think.

189 Professor Chaos  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:29:11am

re: #172 Bulworth

At 12:23 PM Patriots sing My County ‘Tis of Thee, This Land is Your Land and God Bless America

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

“This Land Is Your Land” is one of the United States’ most famous folk songs. Its lyrics were written by Woody Guthrie in 1940 based on an existing melody, in critical response to Irving Berlin’s “God Bless America”, which Guthrie considered unrealistic and complacent. Tired of hearing Kate Smith sing it on the radio, he wrote a response originally called “God Blessed America”.[1] Guthrie varied the lyrics over time, sometimes including more overtly political verses in line with his sympathetic views of communism,[2] than appear in recordings or publications.

I thought these guys hated thems some commies. A mind is a terrible thing to waste…

190 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:29:19am

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

Damn Lidane, who connected our brains?

I would say it’s probably some sort of Illuminati plot, but I can’t channel Alex Jones type fail before coffee. Haha.

191 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:30:04am

Crap, no resistance in the Old Dominion either:

Vermont:

Virginia:

Washington:

192 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:30:10am

re: #184 Mattand

From what I’ve read, there’s no evidence that Menendez consorted with any prostitutes, under age or otherwise.

Hey, if you can’t vote ‘em out, smear ‘em out. Thanks, GOP!

GOP? I heard it was Fidel Castro’s fault!

Congressman speculates Cuba may be behind Menendez scandal

TRENTON — U.S. Rep. Albio Sires today defended Sen. Robert Menendez and presented an unusual theory why the senator finds himself battling lurid accusations.

“I won’t even be surprised if somehow the Cuban government is involved in this to try to damage Bob Menendez because he’s been so steadfast against the Castro government. He’s been a critic all his political life,” Sires said in a phone interview. “I would not be surprised if they are behind some of this stuff, some of these allegations. The Dominican Republic has a lot of relationships with Cuba.”

Sires, who like Menendez (D-N.J). is Cuban-American, succeeded him in the House when Menendez was elevated to the Senate.

193 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:30:32am

re: #190 Lidane

I would say it’s probably some sort of Illuminati plot, but I can’t channel Alex Jones type fail before coffee. Haha.

I am your Zionist Overlord! (but your Feline Overlord takes precedence)

194 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:30:42am

re: #186 geoffm33

Close, I work in Cambridge.

Ever go to Charlie’s Double Cheeseburger King like, ten years ago? Or to the Model in Allston?

195 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:32:41am
Lansing Day of Resistance
Location: TBD
Time: TBD
Sponsoring Organization:
Contact Information: Justin Thompson[no phone numbers allowed]Facebook Page: [Link:
www.facebook.com…
]

This is one smart teabag partier resister. No phone numbers allowed. That way the fedz can’t snoop on him. Probably why no location or time listed, too. Let’s see those 23 executive action order things tyrannize the resistance that can’t be seen or found.

196 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:33:40am

re: #194 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Never been to Charlie’s but I lived right outside Harvard Sq for a while, and been to the Model a few times when I lived in Brighton. 10 years ago would be about right.

197 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:33:43am

re: #191 Bulworth

Crap, no resistance in the Old Dominion either:

Four in Alabama, but not in our corner.

198 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:34:36am
199 Mattand  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:34:40am

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

GOP? I heard it was Fidel Castro’s fault!

Congressman speculates Cuba may be behind Menendez scandal

I’m gonna go with Occam’s Razor. The GOP has more to gain by smearing Menendez than Castro.

It’s the same shit that Rove did to McCain in 2000. Republicans are pretty desperate these days. Whether it’s changing the Electoral College or just out-and-out lying, they’ll do anything to gain an advantage.

200 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:34:48am

re: #195 Bulworth

This is one smart teabag partier resister. No phone numbers allowed. That way the fedz can’t snoop on him. Probably why no location or time listed, too. Let’s see those 23 executive action order things tyrannize the resistance that can’t be seen or found.

[No phone numbers allowed] is LGF stripping out personal info, the teabagger probably has his own phone number on the website.

201 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:35:12am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Four in Alabama, but not in our corner.

Looks like there is one in Massachusetts, out in Worcester.

202 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:35:48am

I posted a link to a story last week that FweedomWorks was having trouble raising dough to bankroll these things - they set a goal of $100K and they had only collected around $25K at the time.

Meh. They were probably just going to pocket the money anyway.

203 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:36:27am

re: #201 geoffm33

Looks like there is one in Massachusetts, out in Worcester.

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Transcendentalists make the worst Tea Partiers.

204 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:37:25am

From the resistance’s front page:

On January 16, 2013, President Barack Obama issued 23 executive actions against your 2nd amendment Constitutional right to bear arms. He did this without the consent of Congress which in itself, violates the foundation of the Constitution and the co-equal branches of government.

Did you know the president can’t issue executive action orders without the consent of Congress? Amazing.

In response to these unconstitutional actions by the President, on .223, February 23, 2013 the American people will stand together in defiance to protect the right that protects ALL of our rights, the 2nd Amendment! They will organize locally so that they may band together neighbor to neighbor and reassert their community’s right to determine their own destiny! Join today by selecting an option below:

On .223?

They will organize locally so that they may band together neighbor to neighbor

Sounds like commie collective action community action organizer stuff.

205 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:38:18am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

Oh, sorry for my derp.

206 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:39:26am

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Four in Alabama, but not in our corner.

Thats what you get for living in a kinda rectangular state!!
//

207 dragonath  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:39:51am

Tea Partiers were a lot more fun back in the day, when their prime function was scouting out phallic objects in the backgrounds of Disney movies.

208 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:40:11am
Promotional Material

Coming Soon!

No promotion stuff the day before the day of resistance. Just sing some songs and gather and yell at clouds.

209 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:40:15am

re: #206 sattv4u2

Thats what you get for living in a kinda rectangular state!!
//

We think of it as the Tri-Derp Area.

210 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:40:57am

Wow. Resistance fail. They have rallies in various parts of Texas, including Erath County (i.e., where Chris Kyle was shot and killed), but nothing in The People’s Republic of Austinistan. You’d think they’d want to rally in front of the state capitol building. Oh well.

However, this makes me laugh:

Burleson County Day of Resistance Rally
(No Weapons Allowed)
Location: Caldwell VFW Post 4458
1644 State Highway 36 S
Caldwell, TX 77836
Time: 11:00am-2:00pm

211 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:42:03am

re: #199 Mattand

I’m gonna go with Occam’s Razor. The GOP has more to gain by smearing Menendez than Castro.

It’s the same shit that Rove did to McCain in 2000. Republicans are pretty desperate these days. Whether it’s changing the Electoral College or just out-and-out lying, they’ll do anything to gain an advantage.

Did Albio Sires change parties when I wasn’t looking?

212 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:42:23am

Don’t understand why the day of resistance website doesn’t have a list of the 23 anti-2nd amendment tyranny unconstitutional exective actions orders.

//

213 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:42:42am
214 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:43:32am

re: #212 Bulworth

Don’t understand why the day of resistance website doesn’t have a list of the 23 anti-2nd amendment tyranny unconstitutional exective actions orders.

//

Because several of them were instructions to cabinet departments to craft a strongly-worded letter.

215 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:44:20am

re: #210 Lidane

Wow. Resistance fail. They have rallies in various parts of Texas, including Erath County (i.e., where Chris Kyle was shot and killed), but nothing in The People’s Republic of Austinistan. You’d think they’d want to rally in front of the state capitol building. Oh well.

However, this makes me laugh:

That’s fuckn’ precious.

216 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:44:49am

re: #210 Lidane

Wow. Resistance fail. They have rallies in various parts of Texas, including Erath County (i.e., where Chris Kyle was shot and killed), but nothing in The People’s Republic of Austinistan. You’d think they’d want to rally in front of the state capitol building. Oh well.

However, this makes me laugh:

Nothing in New Mexico. They probably figure we’re all set, what with that Fast & Furious thing sending us guns from Arizona.

217 dragonath  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:46:36am

I just realized who Ted Nugent is basing his look off of:

Image: freaks%20randy%20quaid.jpg

Elijah C. Skruggs… freak show operator

218 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:50:10am

re: #213 lawhawk

I reTweeted that but I know the wingnuts will pout

Teh NATION IZ A COMMIE SIGHT!!!111TY

219 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:51:24am

re: #184 Mattand

The supposed prostitution scandal is a smear campaign from the Dominican Republican using less than trustworthy “witnesses”. They have little to no credence, but they’ve got the salaciousness so they wont go away.

Menendez’s much more immediate problem is relevant to campaign finance issues. He’s already paid back the costs for the round trip flights.

Menendez spokesman Paul Brubaker today said the senator reimbursed Melgen for the flights on Melgen’s private jet until Jan. 4 of this year. Both were round trips — one between Florida and the Dominican Republic in August 2010, and one between Teterboro and the Dominican Republic in September 2010.

The total amount Menendez (D-N.J.) paid back was $58,500 , Brubaker said.

On Nov. 3 of last year, state Sen. Sam Thompson, who chairs the Middlesex County Republican Committee, wrote to the Senate Select Committee on Ethics to request an investigation of Menendez’s flights to the Caribbean nation. Thompson’s letter came after a conservative blog posted allegations from two anonymous women it said were prostitutes who said they had sex with Menendez in the Dominican Republic.

“In the weeks that ensued, after that very extensive review which was a time consuming laborious project, the issue of these two trips came up, and the senator had basically consulted with the campaign’s legal counsel and found that he had two options,” said Brubaker. “Basically he could, according to Senate ethics rules, use an exemption under the personal friendship rule, or simply pay the reimbursements for the flights. In order to just demonstrate full compliance he decided to pay the reimbursement.”

Senate rules, however, only allow members to claim the personal friendship exemption for gifts valued under $250. Otherwise they must seek written approval from the ethics committee.

As I noted above, the allegations about the prostitution aren’t substantiated, but the rules about the flights were such that he should either have gotten clearance from the ethics committee or paid for them. He ended up paying for the flights.

What else explains Menendez’s dip in the polls? Gee, it could be that he’s not seen as being as delivering on Sandy reconstruction aid as others in the NJ delegation, including Sen. Lautenberg, Pallone, Pascrell, or even Garrett, let alone Christie. As a result, he’s seen as a weak link.

/disclosure statement: I’ve never thought much of Menendez and his legislative abilities, let alone the ability to protect the state’s interests. The sooner the state’s Democrats can find a replacement, the better.

220 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:52:20am

Now this is weird. Is there a shortage of men in Vegas?

Kara Vandereyk Arrested: Woman Caught Having Sex With A Pit Bull In Las Vegas [MUGSHOT]

Kara Vandereyk, a Las Vegas woman, was arrested on Tuesday after police found her having sex with a pit bull dog in her yard in front of her neighbors.

Police said they found 23-year-old Vandereyk around 11 a.m. having sex with a dog in the yard of a home in Sin City.

According to the arrest report released on Wednesday, police said Vandereyk was naked and on the ground when they arrived. By the time Vandereyk saw the officers, she greeted them saying, “Hi,” and touched the dog sexually, police said.

Vandereyk was given a blanket to cover up when she arrested and booked, charged with open and gross lewdness. She was also given clothing by a neighbor before she was taken to the Clark County Jail.

In Nevada, bestiality is not prohibited by law, but another law deems animal abuse and cruelty a felony.

The pit bull dog was taken by animal control officers.

I think they need to update the laws there in Nevada.

221 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:53:35am

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

I am your Zionist Overlord! (but your Feline Overlord takes precedence)

Feline Overlords Über Alles. My Zionist Overlords can wait in line. Heh.

222 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:55:14am

LOL there’s a “resistance rally” near me in Westminster CA. the meetup site is for a group called “Reagan’s Regiments Tea Party” ROFLMAO.

There’s also one up in Apple Valley sponsored in part by the John Birch Society. Something must be really bad in the air or water up in the High Desert, seems that whole area is full of crazies.

223 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:56:12am

re: #219 lawhawk

Occam’s Razor!
//

224 geoffm33  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:58:06am

LOL (though I’m sure it’s been said/tweeted/thought a thousand times before)

225 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:58:40am

^^^^

That tweet sums it up nicely.

226 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 8:59:30am

re: #220 NJDhockeyfan

Now this is weird. Is there a shortage of men in Vegas?

Kara Vandereyk Arrested: Woman Caught Having Sex With A Pit Bull In Las Vegas [MUGSHOT]

I think they need to update the laws there in Nevada.

don’t the girls pit bulls get prettier at closing time

//

227 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:00:05am

re: #224 geoffm33

LOL (though I’m sure it’s been said/tweeted/thought a thousand times before)

They don’t even use the 18th Century definition of “Well-Regulated” they define it as TOTALLY NON REGULATED.

228 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:00:34am

Focusing on the important things:

Yeah, I get it. He cheated. He admits he cheated. And yes, he’s a lying asshole who lies. But is this really necessary now?

229 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:00:49am

re: #226 sattv4u2

don’t the girls pit bulls get prettier at closing time

[Embedded content]

//

There’s a lipstick on a pitbull joke in there somewhere.

230 sattv4u2  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:01:09am

Ah well

off to forage for sustenance

231 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:01:28am

Holy shit!

FBI: Armed Neo-Nazi supporter put metro-Detroit Jewish and civil rights leaders on a hit list

Detroit (WXYZ) - In December the FBI arrested a man named Richard Schmidt. Investigators say he is a Neo-Nazi supporter and a convicted felon.

Now we are learning the Ohio man may have been planning to target some metro-Detroit leaders.

The FBI recently notified Detroit NAACP President Wendell Anthony and Jewish Federation of Metropolitan Detroit Executive Director Scott Kaufman that their names were on a hit list found in Schmidt’s belongings.
“We get threats all the time in terms of the work that we do…NAACP, Social Justice, Civil Rights…but this was different,” said Anthony.

The FBI says it appears that Schmidt, 47, planned to attack soon.

He should not have had any guns under the law, but when they raided his home and business they found he was heavily armed.

“We owe the FBI and our other law enforcement partners our thanks that they caught this man with 18 firearms- some of them assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, more than 40,000 rounds of ammunition and a bulletproof vest stored in a locked room in a mall, before anyone was hurt,” said Steven M Dettelbach, United States Attorney in a press release.

232 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:01:42am

re: #228 Lidane

Focusing on the important things:

Yeah, I get it. He cheated. He admits he cheated. And yes, he’s a lying asshole who lies. But is this really necessary now?

I’m waiting for the Congressional hearings. I mean, they have to take a break from invading pregnant vaginas at some point, don’t they?

233 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:01:59am

re: #230 sattv4u2

Ah well

off to forage for sustenance

The tree bark is excellent today. Recommended.

234 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:02:28am

re: #196 geoffm33

Never been to Charlie’s but I lived right outside Harvard Sq for a while, and been to the Model a few times when I lived in Brighton. 10 years ago would be about right.

I think I may have randomly seen you around Harvard Square or something during that time. Or I’m just conflating it, but it’s kind of random I came up with Cambridge for the connection.

Life: Funny old thing.

235 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:03:32am

re: #233 makeitstop

The tree bark is excellent today. Recommended.

Got some recipes for acorns—they all involve a gym sock.

236 wrenchwench  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:03:36am

re: #233 makeitstop

The tree bark is excellent today. Recommended.

Euell Gibbons, is that you?

237 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:04:08am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Holy shit!

FBI: Armed Neo-Nazi supporter put metro-Detroit Jewish and civil rights leaders on a hit list

Wingnuts will ignore this because

THE THREAT IN DETROIT IS FROM TEH MUSLIMS IN DEARBORN!!!111!!TY

238 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:05:16am

re: #227 Vicious Babushka

The Courts have pretty much written out the “well regulated militia” out of the Second, even as they’ve reiterated time and again that reasonable regulation is allowed under the Second. The Second is not an absolute prohibition against regulation of firearms in the US.

Even Heller indicated as much (with Scalia writing the opinion no less) - and comports with Miller. Yet, the NRA and other gun rights absolutists think that the feds have no such rights, or if they do, they’re going to come and confiscate all your guns.

239 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:05:17am

re: #228 Lidane

Focusing on the important things:

Yeah, I get it. He cheated. He admits he cheated. And yes, he’s a lying asshole who lies. But is this really necessary now?

Justice will probably spend more money prosecuting Lance Armstrong than all the money Lance gained. Same old, same old. Another photo op for politicians. I wonder if lance will face a 1,000 years prison sentence. :D

240 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:05:21am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

Holy shit!

FBI: Armed Neo-Nazi supporter put metro-Detroit Jewish and civil rights leaders on a hit list

18 firearms- some of them assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, more than 40,000 rounds of ammunition and a bulletproof vest stored in a locked room in a mall

What? How in the….

241 makeitstop  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:05:29am

re: #236 wrenchwench

Euell Gibbons, is that you?

‘Tastes just like wild hickory nuts…’

242 Decatur Deb  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:05:51am

re: #236 wrenchwench

Euell Gibbons, is that you?

Heh—our place in KY was overrun with wild asparagus. Down here in AL I’ve had to start nematode-resistant beds.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:07:01am

re: #240 Ghost of Tom Joad

What? How in the….

Nobody at the mall noticed a man walking around with 18 firearms?

245 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:08:24am

re: #228 Lidane

They’ll hope to get him to turn on those who are providing PEDs to others - up the distribution chain.

There’s a tremendous amount of money at stake (both in the medications being offered, and the potential profit motive of those using it) - affecting professional and amateur sports so there’s a public health component involved too.

246 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:09:42am
247 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:10:29am

re: #240 Ghost of Tom Joad

What? How in the….

He operated a sports store at the mall, also charged with selling non-licensed (counterfeit) sports souvenirs.

249 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:12:58am

re: #248 wrenchwench

Paged by Randall Gross.

I just saw that. I updinged it :)

250 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:13:39am

Alan Keyes, intellectual giant:

251 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:22:14am

It’s on… the 48 window has passed and it’s Hezbollah vs al-Qaeda.

Free Syrian Army began bombing Hezbollah targets at border regions

Free Syrian Army said its fighters began bombing Hezbollah targets at the border regions of Syria and Lebanon after the 48 hours has expired, Colonel Hisam al-Avvak of the Free Syrian Army told Anatolia news agency.

“We have bombed the territories of Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria. The Free Syrian Army will continue bombing these positions,” Col. Hisam al-Avvak said.

Al-Avvak also threatened that the FSA would target Hezbollah strongholds in the south of Beirut and on South Lebanon, unless the group stops its joint operations with the Syrian army forces.

Some media sources, in particular Iranian media, mentioned that the attack happened less than a day after the Free Syrian Army had given Hezbollah 48 hours to halt the shelling against territory under the control of the FSA. However, the FSA confirmed through its website that Hezbollah continued its attacks on Syrian civilians to put fear and terror in their hearts, pushing them to the brink of despair. After the 48 hours, several Hezbollah sites were bombed inside Syrian territory and on the Lebanese-Syrian border.

252 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:26:23am

The People’s Republic of Austinistan is living up to its name today. There’s a march going on right now to the state capitol for immigration reform. Lots of American flags, Spanish chants, signs and banners in English and Spanish, and even a few UFW flags thrown in for good measure.

Neat. I wish I’d known about it earlier. I might have gone down to the street to take photos.

253 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:26:46am

THE PERPETUAL DERP MACHINE


OK Sparky, how many times did Haywood Jabloeme sign the petition?

254 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:27:35am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

In related news, the number of dupes on Orly Taitz’s mailing list has gone up to nearly 40,000. Heh.

255 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:29:13am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

It’s on… the 48 window has passed and it’s Hezbollah vs al-Qaeda.

Free Syrian Army began bombing Hezbollah targets at border regions

Judging from past actions against Hezbollah I’m guessing the Lebanese govt isn’t going to get involved unless they really have to.

256 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:30:28am

re: #254 Lidane

In related news, the number of dupes on Orly Taitz’s mailing list has gone up to nearly 40,000. Heh.

I’d say that 90% of the name on this online petition are bogus.

257 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:31:27am

re: #255 Killgore Trout

Judging from past actions against Hezbollah I’m guessing the Lebanese govt isn’t going to get involved unless they really have to.

Hezbollah. AKA Land Kitten Freedom Fighters not unlike American revolutionaries.

/////////////////////

258 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:31:55am

re: #256 Vicious Babushka

I’d say that 90% of the name on this online petition are bogus.

Oh, I’m sure. But anyone who’s real can expect to get lots of email begging for cash.

259 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:38:10am

*headdesk*

260 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:38:55am

re: #255 Killgore Trout

Judging from past actions against Hezbollah I’m guessing the Lebanese govt isn’t going to get involved unless they really have to.

That would be wise. Let Hezbollah fight another terrorist group and wear them down a few notches. I bet Israel will enjoy watching that too. The bad part is if they feel like they are losing they would try to bring Israel in to the fight.

261 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:39:25am

re: #251 NJDhockeyfan

If that article and report are accurate, then the Lebanese government (which also includes representatives from Hizbullah) can take the matter of the attacks to the UN. Hizbullah, as a proxy for Assad, could find this in their interests because it would get the FSA to stop operating in certain areas and give Assad’s force wider latitude to act. By same token, Hizbullah wouldn’t necessarily want to have conflict spread to Lebanon, where they already have semi-autonomy and a vested interest in power. Spillover is happening because Lebanon’s military simply can’t deal with the civil war across the border, and they’re receiving refugees from that fighting.

At same time, FSA has interest in seeing the conflict as not just an internal conflict but an international one since it could get the UN more directly involved in ousting Assad.

In other words, both FSA and Hizbullah have a potential interest in seeing an internationalization of the conflict but for diametrically opposite reasons:

1) Hizbullah wants internationalization to get FSA to stop, bolstering Assad’s chances and preserving Hizbullah’s power base in Lebanon.

2) FSA wants internationalization to thwart Hizbullah’s support of Assad and cutting off supply chain across Southwestern Syria and limiting Assad’s power in that part of the country.

262 Killgore Trout  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:41:30am

re: #260 NJDhockeyfan

That would be wise. Let Hezbollah fight another terrorist group and wear them down a few notches. I bet Israel will enjoy watching that too. The bad part is if they feel like they are losing they would try to bring Israel in to the fight.

They could draw in Israel or they could reignite a Lebanese civil war again. As a proxy for Iran they are poised to cause as much chaos as possible if the need arises.

263 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:44:35am

re: #259 Lidane

Man, that picks my ass.

I’m mentally ill and I can’t get a job anywhere. And this paranoid lunatic makes a decent living spouting his illness on the printed page.

Life is so unfair!

264 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:45:14am

Freaking ATT.

265 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:45:24am

re: #262 Killgore Trout

I don’t see Israel being drawn in. Even when there’s been Syrian shelling that has impacted on Israeli controlled territory in the Golan, Israel’s response has been limited to a few counter battery rounds.

Israel’s made it clear to Assad and his loyalists that attacks against Israel wont be tolerated. At same time, Israel’s not likely to get drawn in to fighting wrt to Lebanon unless Hizbullah opened up a new round of fighting and that would undermine Hizbullah’s standing in both Lebanon and Syria.

It wouldn’t help Assad’s long term chances since Israel would see that as reason to go after Assad in a way that the FSA and rebel forces haven’t - and Israeli air power could tip the balance against Assad, undermining one of Hizbullah’s key allies. Hizbullah wouldn’t want to jeopardize their chances in Lebanon either until the situation in Syria stabilizes either. They have far more to lose with another round with Israel at this point than by waiting.

266 CuriousLurker  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:46:40am

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

Here’s one for all the nasty assholes you run across on Twitter, though I doubt much of anything can penetrate their self-centeredness: Shoe Shiner Donates $200K in Tips to Children in Need

267 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:47:12am

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Here’s one for all the nasty assholes you run across on Twitter, though I doubt much of anything can penetrate their self-centeredness: Shoe Shiner Donates $200K in Tips to Children in Need

268 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:48:33am

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Here’s one for all the nasty assholes you run across on Twitter, though I doubt much of anything can penetrate their self-centeredness: Shoe Shiner Donates $200K in Tips to Children in Need

The problem is they will use this to “prove” that workers “don’t need ‘minimum wage’ to accumulate a fortune!”

269 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:48:45am

The answer to bad guys with guns is good guys with guns. Except when the bad guy is a father who shoots his 5-year-old son - and the kid’s now in serious condition. What was going to stop that? Arming the kid?

270 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:50:02am

#261 lawhawk

At same time, FSA has interest in seeing the conflict as not just an internal conflict but an international one since it could get the UN more directly involved in ousting Assad.

With FSA teaming up with al-Qaeda, if they beat Assad Syria will be a nice safe-zone for the terrorist group, if not then Syria is stuck with their genocidal leader. The people of Syria are screwed in the end no matter who wins the fight.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:52:03am

Hitler, Frankenstein Compete in Indian Local Elections

Adolf Hitler is running for election in a state in northeast India – and he’s going up against Frankenstein.

Adolf Lu Hitler-Marak and Frankenstein Momin are competing against candidates named Process, Highlander, Predecessor and Fairly Bert in the Meghalaya state’s legislative assembly elections this weekend.

The region’s unusual names stem from the state’s close historical links with Britain, explains Agence France-Presse: in colonial times, missionaries and soldiers would visit the hilly state’s capital Shillong, known as the “Scotland of the East,” to escape the overbearing heat of much of the country, and its residents began naming their children with random English words as a nod to that influence.

“Often they don’t know the background of the names. They get attracted to these names for their quest of modernity,” Sanjeeb Kakoty, a history professor at the Indian Institute of Management in Shillong, told AFP.

272 gwangung  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:52:33am

re: #253 Vicious Babushka

THE PERPETUAL DERP MACHINE


OK Sparky, how many times did Haywood Jabloeme sign the petition?

Idiots. It’s not like there aren’t numerous duplicate Social Security numbers out there either….There are not supposed to be, but it happens nonetheless.

273 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:54:59am

re: #270 NJDhockeyfan

Any unstable - read as failed state - is a potential terrorist safe haven.

It’s why certain parts of the world remain terrorist recruitment hotbeds of activity.

That includes Yemen, Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan’s frontier provinces, etc., and weak governments or struggling governments in places like Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Lebanon face a terror threat.

FSA isn’t a united group, but a group of different factions that have their own interests in mind. They agree that Assad needs to be ousted, but what comes next is hardly agreed upon. AQ could definitely try to exploit that situation.

274 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:55:10am

re: #272 gwangung

Idiots. It’s not like there aren’t numerous duplicate Social Security numbers out there either….There are not supposed to be, but it happens nonetheless.

This whole SSN conspiracy is bogus—how do they even know this is Obama’s SSN? Doesn’t Obama have the same privacy rights as any other citizen to NOT HAVE HIS FREAKIN SSN ALL OVER TEH INTERWEBZ.

275 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 9:57:30am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

They made up a SSN for PBO and then made up another SSN for some other dude from 100 yrs ago, and when they compared both made up numbers, low and behold, they were the same.

You can’t explain that!

276 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:00:42am

Sweet djesus h. christ (the h is silent):

Courtesy of Indiana RTL spokeshack Sue Swayze in reference to invasive ultrasound procedures required by proposed legislation:

As part of the new protocol for administering a medication abortion, legislative bill SB 371 would require not only that a patient undergo a likely mandatory forced trans-vaginal ultrasound prior to receiving the medication to induce abortion, but another vaginal ultrasound during her mandated follow up two weeks after the abortion.

Swayze is now responding to critics who claim the multiple unnecessary probings are invasive.

Saying “she doesn’t understand the problem with the procedure,” Swayze told Brandon Smith of WBAA, “I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.”

277 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:00:46am

re: #275 Bulworth

They made up a SSN for PBO and then made up another SSN for some other dude from 100 yrs ago, and when they compared both made up numbers, low and behold, they were the same.

You can’t explain that!

Has Breitbart.com not picked up on this yet? This is the perfect story for them to promote!

278 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #99 A Mom Anon

well if video games lead to gun violence, might it be the case that some sort of easily accessible Internet videos are contributing to sexual assault?

/

279 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:05:18am

re: #276 lawhawk

Sweet djesus h. christ (the h is silent):

Courtesy of Indiana RTL spokeshack Sue Swayze in reference to invasive ultrasound procedures required by proposed legislation:

Saying “she doesn’t understand the problem with the procedure,” Swayze told Brandon Smith of WBAA, “I got pregnant vaginally. Something else could come in my vagina for a medical test that wouldn’t be that intrusive to me. So I find that argument a little ridiculous.”

….Well, good thing to know she didn’t get pregnant folding her husband’s boxer shorts….

Lady, just because you have absolutely no problem with strangers sticking strange objects up your (insert your favorite term for vagina here) doesn’t mean it’s perfectly o.k. with every other member of your sex. Stupid argument, even dumber person.

That is just some of the dumbest shit I’ve seen right there. Just because you got no problem with something doesn’t mean it’s not terribly intrusive to somebody else.

280 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:06:27am

It seems like this story is repeated every few months except with a different mayor.

Vicksburg Mayor Paul Winfield arrested on federal bribery charges

JACKSON, Mississippi — Vicksburg Mayor Paul Winfield has been arrested on a federal bribery charge based on allegations he sought a $10,000 payment for a city contract.

The 39-year-old Democrat was scheduled to appear before a federal magistrate judge in U.S. District Court in Jackson on Thursday afternoon.

…Daniel McMullen, the FBI special agent in charge in Mississippi, said in a news release that Winfield was arrested Wednesday afternoon at his home. He was held overnight in the Madison County Jail in Canton.

If convicted, Winfield could face up to 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine.

281 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:06:29am
282 lawhawk  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:07:07am

re: #276 lawhawk

I think I’m going to page this one…

283 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:08:11am

re: #282 lawhawk

I think I’m going to page this one…

Was discussed here last night.

284 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:12:18am

OK, the whole world’s gone mad.

285 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:14:54am

re: #284 Gus

OK, the whole world’s gone mad.

Cats and dogs, living together?

286 Interesting Times  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:15:58am
287 Gus  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:15:58am

re: #285 Ghost of Tom Joad

Cats and dogs, living together?

Well, to me that would help. Just read this: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

288 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:17:29am

re: #285 Ghost of Tom Joad

Cats and dogs, living together?

Yes

289 Bulworth  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:18:59am

re: #286 Interesting Times

Well, if true I would have grave concerns about that. And until my grave concerns are met I will continue to have grave concerns. I hope others will be as gravely concerned as I am concerned.

290 Jimmah  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:20:05am
291 Ghost of Tom Joad  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:20:09am

re: #287 Gus

That’s up somewhere in the 100s in this thread I think. There’s just…I mean the irony/hypocrisy/whatever you want to call it. I can’t wrap my head around it.

Nugent’s either an authentic whacko or a certified trolling genius (because I can’t wrap my mind around that shit at all).

292 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:24:48am

re: #279 Ghost of Tom Joad

That is just some of the dumbest shit I’ve seen right there. Just because you got no problem with something doesn’t mean it’s not terribly intrusive to somebody else.

Her basic argument:

“That slut had no problem opening her legs the first time. She shouldn’t bitch now.”

What right wing sexism?

293 Jimmah  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:27:33am

To the best of my recollection:



Later, folks :)
294 kirkspencer  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:28:49am

re: #292 Lidane

Her basic argument:

What right wing sexism?

Yep.

I keep asking myself: doesn’t it take two to make a woman pregnant? so how come only the woman has to pay the price?

295 allegro  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 10:34:13am

re: #292 Lidane

Her basic argument:

What right wing sexism?

They also avoid the point that by adding additional unnecessary and invasive tests, it also increases the costs both for the tests and the time off it takes to get them. With the extremely limited number of clinics today, many women have to travel some distance as well. Anything to make obtaining a legal abortion that much more difficult and unaffordable.

296 Lidane  Fri, Feb 22, 2013 11:36:20am

re: #294 kirkspencer

I keep asking myself: doesn’t it take two to make a woman pregnant? so how come only the woman has to pay the price?

And now you know why we have feminism.


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Seemingly from the moment Cuban refugee Yasiel Puig showed up at Dodger Stadium out of nowhere, arriving last June unwilling to discuss his unknown background, the talk behind the batting cages has been rife with unprintable rumors. There were rumors Puig was smuggled out of Cuba by members of a Mexican drug cartel. There were rumors he still owed the smugglers money, and ...

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aagcobb
New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.
Ben Mathis-Lilley, Slate: New York Electoral College: State Joins National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Instead of pushing for a Constitutional amendment, which would have to be ratified in 38 states, advocates ask individual state legislatures to pass an agreement: that they'll pledge all their presidential electors to the winner of the national popular vote as soon as enough other states pass the law to ...

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cycroft
Russ Campbell’s Blog: Will Trudeau’s Party Pay for His Ill-Chosen Words?
Justin Trudeau has talked him­self into a defama­tion law­suit that is likely to leave his party quite a bit lighter in the wal­let. The shoot-from-the-lip Lib­eral leader and his On­tario cam­paign co-chair David Mac­Naughton are named in a $1.5-mil­lion li­bel suit filed on be­half of Chris­tine Innes, a can­di­date who was barred from run­ning for the Lib­eral party. Innes had wanted to con­test ...

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Political Atheist
The Insane History of Rockets at Jet Propulsion Laboratories
The Rocket Boys In the late 1930s, a group of Caltech graduate students were booted off campus after blowing up (part of!) their building during a rocket test gone awry. Unwilling to give up on the joy of semi-controlled explosions, the students and a few of their friends headed into the San Gabriel Mountains. They picked a deserted gully -- Arroyo Seco -- ...

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iossarian
Drug Companies Want Your Money
Two thematically-related stories on the BBC at the moment: UK drug company Glaxo 'paid bribes to Polish doctors' UK drug company GlaxoSmithKline is facing a criminal investigation in Poland for allegedly bribing doctors, BBC Panorama has discovered. Tamiflu: Millions wasted on flu drug, claims major report Hundreds of millions of pounds may have been wasted on a drug for flu that works no better ...

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steve_davis
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 Frank says:

Not a speck of cereal.