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Dumbest Man on Internet’s New Paranoid Fantasy: VA Prohibits Veterans From Owning Guns!

Yes, another stupid lie from Jim Hoft
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Insane paranoid fantasies gush out of the right wing like water from a firehose, and today Jim Hoft, the legendary dumbest man on the Internet, has received another link from Drudge Report for spreading a fear-mongering lie about the Veteran’s Administration:

SHOCK REPORT — Veterans Receive Letters From VA Prohibiting Ownership or Purchase of Firearms | the Gateway Pundit

This must be Barack Obama’s way of thanking our veterans for serving.
US veterans are receiving letters from the government informing them that they are disabled and not allowed to own, purchase or possess a firearm. If the veteran does decide to purchase a firearm he will by fined, imprisoned or both.

Oddly enough, Hoft left out a rather important piece of information: this provision only applies to veterans who are found to be mentally ill, and whose veteran’s benefits have been legally placed in a guardianship due to incompetence. Hoft phrased his idiotic semi-literate post in a way that deliberately misleads his audience into thinking this rule is being arbitrarily applied to all veterans — and that is simply false.

So this puts Hoft and his knuckle-dragging followers in the lovely position of standing up for the gun ownership rights of people who are seriously mentally ill. And he’s being rewarded for it with a link from Drudge Report, generating hundreds of thousands of visits to his site.

By now, of course, this fake story has spread throughout the wingnut blogosphere, as all such stories do. Just another lie for the right wing base, now turned into an article of faith that will be repeated eternally, deception without end, amen.

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221 comments

1 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:06:30am

Because of course every mentally ill veteran should have the right to own an AR-15 and high capacity clips.

2 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:10:18am

re: #1 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

Because of course every mentally ill veteran should have the right to own an AR-15 and high capacity clips.

What could possibly go wrong?

3 Beauzeaux  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:10:40am

O fcourse he stands up for the rights of the mentally ill to own weapons — it’s sheer self-interest.

4 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:11:07am

God, some people really will believe anything.

Utter lack of critical thinking, or any thinking at all. It’s a wonder he’s not destitute after a Nigerian email scam.

5 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:11:11am

SHOCK REPORT!

6 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:13:52am

What does Dim Hoft do when he’s not spewing stupid on the internet? Sort hangars at Marshall’s? Seriously…How did that turd rise to the top of the GOP punch bowl?

7 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:15:06am

Testing.

8 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:15:15am
9 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:17:29am

Could Jim Hoft come up with a nutty right wing theory so blatantly stupid even he couldn’t believe it?

10 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:18:46am

re: #9 erik_t

Could Jim Hoft come up with a nutty right wing theory so blatantly stupid even he couldn’t believe it?

That’s kind of like the god/rock paradox…

11 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:19:20am

re: #9 erik_t

Possibly yes. Considering what he has already posted it is possible for him to come up with even he does not believe.

12 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:21:33am

Right-wing descriptor of the day: Undiscreditable.

13 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:24:12am
14 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:25:08am

re: #13 darthstar

lol

15 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:25:16am

re: #13 darthstar

Borrowed that from this comment at dKos: [Link: www.dailykos.com…]

16 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:26:50am

I love Gail Collins…

17 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:27:06am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Cleanup in Pages, aisle 5—paranoid raving:

The Reeducation Camps Of Multicultural America

18 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:29:46am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Cleanup in Pages, aisle 5—paranoid raving:

The Reeducation Camps Of Multicultural America

Wut?

19 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:31:44am

re: #18 Gus

Wut?

Looks like Dim Jim has competition, heh.

20 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:32:03am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Cleanup in Pages, aisle 5—paranoid raving:

The Reeducation Camps Of Multicultural America

Damned thing reads like Timecube.

21 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:32:33am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

How does one politely say it? Mesuga? Bonkers? Oh forget it. I will call a spade a spade.

WINGNUT

22 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:32:51am

re: #19 CuriousLurker

Looks like Dim Jim has competition, heh.

Here’s the source. Check out the other articles.

23 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:34:01am

re: #22 Gus

Here’s the source. Check out the other articles.

Links to Alternative Right and AmRen.

24 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:35:14am

re: #20 erik_t

Damned thing reads like Timecube.

re: #21 PhillyPretzel

How does one politely say it? Mesuga? Bonkers? Oh forget it. I will call a spade a spade.

Yeah, it’s wayyyyy out there. Maybe even past wingnut land and into the twilight zone of moronic convergence. Paging Alex Jones/Stormfront… one of your loons got loose, please come collect him/her.

25 chadu  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:35:19am

O/T Lizardim, sorry to abandon you last night, but I got a WAY early-morning bootycall (#2 bc in 41 years of life! I’m still bucking the odds. Living the dream!).

So, what’s up?

Hoft said something dumb?

So, it’s a day on the calendar with a number in it?

K.

26 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:35:51am

It talks.

27 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:37:50am

OK, now I’m confused.

28 Travis Bickle  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:42:56am

It begins…

29 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:44:23am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Cleanup in Pages, aisle 5—paranoid raving:

The Reeducation Camps Of Multicultural America

I think the post is all a quote from a right wing site, but he didn’t make that clear.

30 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:45:26am

re: #28 Travis Bickle

Welcome hatchling. :)

31 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:49:42am

re: #29 Charles Johnson

I think the post is all a quote from a right wing site, but he didn’t make that clear.

It seems to be a habit. Just sayin’…

32 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:51:40am

re: #31 CuriousLurker

It seems to be a habit. Just sayin’…

He did it right here.

33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:51:48am

re: #31 CuriousLurker

Yeah, I see that. But he did make it pretty clear that he’s not endorsing those views. I think he’s just unclear on the concept of how to blog sites like that.

34 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:54:09am

OK, this is pretty damned pathetic. Of all people to portray as an expert on good reporting and sourcing.

35 BongCrodny  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:54:19am

re: #16 darthstar

I love Gail Collins…

Big fan of this part:

Perfectly rational thought, but remember these sequester cuts are on an automatic trigger. To avert it, you have to come up with an alternative that’s acceptable to the Republicans in the House of Representatives — possibly the only people in the country who would prefer furloughing air traffic controllers to a minimum tax on millionaires.

36 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:55:22am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I see that. But he did make it pretty clear that he’s not endorsing those views. I think he’s just unclear on the concept of how to blog sites like that.

You know this stuff better than I do, so I’ll leave it alone. Just trying to watch LGF’s back.

37 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:55:26am

re: #17 CuriousLurker

Cleanup in Pages, aisle 5—paranoid raving:

Speaking of paranoid raving… o_O

38 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:56:46am

re: #36 CuriousLurker

You know this stuff better than I do, so I’ll leave it alone. Just trying to watch LGF’s back.

Which I totally appreciate!

39 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:59:51am

Just about every day an ex serviceman kills himself with a handgun. So yes, we should take some guns away…. And provide better mental health services even if this means raising taxes on millionaires.

40 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:01:30pm

re: #37 Interesting Times

Speaking of paranoid raving… o_O

Yeah, that one’s a piece of work. Down-dings pretty regularly but usually doesn’t participate. When it does, it’s wingnut snark. Not worth arguing with.

41 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:03:42pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

OK, this is pretty damned pathetic. Of all people to portray as an expert on good reporting and sourcing.

Of course I would also take objection to the venue of the discussion but I suppose that’s part of Rather’s version of what news should be. I also think his understanding of the internet is very outdated. Sure there’s still some organic spontaneus outrageous outrages that pop up but today, a good portion of those are planted by partisan think tanks. Also today much of the order has been reversed: partisan cable originate plenty of the crap themselves and most of what appears on blogs today is just repeating crap from cable news from the night before. Blogs aren’t the driving force anymore.

42 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:04:25pm

False alarm on that page. He or she revised it:

The point of this post was to show the converging of the world of “Game” or pickup artistry and outright white nationalism. My apologies to those who though I promoted outright bigotry. Also I wanted to read your comments and have a discussion on this phenomenon.

In fairness I suggest reversing your down ding. :D

43 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:07:15pm

re: #42 Gus

False alarm on that page. He or she revised it:

In fairness I suggest reversing your down ding. :D

I suppose you’re right. I’ll neutralize my down-ding.

44 Mattand  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:10:47pm

At times, I’m not sure how fair it is to call Jim Hoft the Dumbest Man on the Internet, given that his regular readers at times make him look Socrates, Descartes, and Ben Franklin rolled into one.

45 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:13:48pm

re: #43 CuriousLurker

I suppose you’re right. I’ll neutralize my down-ding.

See, words and formatting matter. Foiled by a sudden case of Hanlon’s razor. :D

46 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:15:08pm

re: #44 Mattand

I didn’t even look at the comments for this post, but I just checked them out and thanks to the Drudge link there are now over 2000 comments. And the majority of them are bug-eyed nuts raving about conspiracy theories.

47 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:20:58pm

re: #45 Gus

See, words and formatting matter. Foiled by a sudden case of Hanlon’s razor. :D

LGF needs a users manual. The features are great, but they can make even commenting kinda confusing for new members, the Pages even more so. Heck, there are features in both areas I wasn’t aware of until months (or in some cases a year or more) after I registered, and designing & building web pages is my job.

I’d actually started working on some help files, then got distracted by work. Maybe it’s time to pick it back up and finish it.

48 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:21:45pm

re: #44 Mattand

A times, I’m not sure how fair it is to call Jim Hoft the Dumbest Man on the Internet, given that his regular readers at times make him look Socrates, Descartes, and Ben Franklin rolled into one.

As in - the minds of Socrates, Descartes, and Ben Franklin are all worm food because they’re long dead?

49 Skip Intro  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:22:19pm

Dumb, Drudge, and Derp. The Holy Trinity of Stupid.

50 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:23:04pm

re: #47 CuriousLurker

LGF needs a users manual. The features are great, but they can make even commenting kinda confusing for new members, the Pages even more so. Heck, there are features in both areas I wasn’t aware of until moths (or in some cases a year or more) after I registered, and designing & building web pages is my job.

I’d actually started working on some help files, then got distracted by work. Maybe it’s time to pick it back up and finish it.

Yes, moths can bring things into focus.

51 CuriousLurker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:25:08pm

re: #50 b_sharp

Yes, moths can bring things into focus.

LOL, I’ve got moths in my brain. BTW, here’s your WP info.

52 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:27:10pm

re: #51 CuriousLurker

LOL, I’ve got moths in my brain. BTW, here’s your WP info.

Thanks muchly CL.

Have I told you you’re terrific lately?

53 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:35:51pm

wall st journal

Mr. Obama just whacked the economy with a roughly $160 billion tax increase in 2013 that he says will do no harm, but he wants us to believe that $85 billion in spending cuts will trigger a recession. The sequester shaves the equivalent of about 0.25% of GDP when offsetting it against the extra money the feds are spending on Sandy relief.

After World War II federal spending fell from 42% of GDP to 14.8% in two years, yet the private economy and employment roared back to life.

vs reality

government spending fell by $56 billion dollars from 1944 to 1947. GDP was just over $200 billion in 1944. Today such a cut would be equivalent to $3.4 trillion, or 132 percent of government expenditures.

While the private sector did pick up much of the slack, the downturn from 1945 to 1946 alone was far more severe than the current recession.

In the current recession, real GDP fell 3.8 percent peak to trough. By comparison, real GDP fell 10.9 percent from 1945 to 1946, did not begin to rise until the fourth quarter of 1947, and still did not reach 1945 levels until the third quarter of 1950.

Employment figures show a similar story. From 1945 to 1946, combined employment in nonfarm payrolls (the standard measure of employment at the Bureau of Labor Statistics) and the armed forces fell by 6.7 million, or 13.0 percent. By comparison, from the peak in December of 2008 to the trough in December of 2009, nonfarm payrolls fell 6.1 percent

54 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:41:02pm

re: #53 engineer cat

wall st journal

Mr. Obama just whacked the economy with a roughly $160 billion tax increase in 2013 that he says will do no harm, but he wants us to believe that $85 billion in spending cuts will trigger a recession. The sequester shaves the equivalent of about 0.25% of GDP when offsetting it against the extra money the feds are spending on Sandy relief.

After World War II federal spending fell from 42% of GDP to 14.8% in two years, yet the private economy and employment roared back to life.

vs reality

government spending fell by $56 billion dollars from 1944 to 1947. GDP was just over $200 billion in 1944. Today such a cut would be equivalent to $3.4 trillion, or 132 percent of government expenditures.

While the private sector did pick up much of the slack, the downturn from 1945 to 1946 alone was far more severe than the current recession.

Wasn’t most gov’t spending then on the military, so it was inflated?

55 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:44:34pm

Note:

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act of 1993, Public Law 103-159 (The Brady Act), prohibits the sale of firearms to certain individuals, including beneficiaries the VA determines are incompetent. In compliance with this act, VA reports the names of incompetent beneficiaries to the Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI), which then adds the names to a database called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). Gun dealers must check NICS for the name of a potential buyer before selling him/her a firearm.

[Link: docs.google.com…]

56 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:44:59pm

re: #54 b_sharp

Wasn’t most gov’t spending then on the military, so it was inflated?

the wall st journal is trying to wish away the severe economic downturn that happened after WWII when govt spending was sharply cut

57 kirkspencer  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:45:34pm

re: #54 b_sharp

Wasn’t most gov’t spending then on the military, so it was inflated?

Yep. It’s another case of cherry picking.

58 calochortus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:47:27pm

re: #39 Iwouldprefernotto

Just about every day an ex serviceman kills himself with a handgun. So yes, we should take some guns away…. And provide better mental health services even if this means raising taxes on millionaires.

You’ll be happy to know some Freeper specifically complained that a diagnosis of depression might prevent a veteran from being able to buy a gun.

In fairness, there are probably 4 or 5 posts out of maybe 140 that pointed out mentally ill people with firearms aren’t a good idea, but the vast majority apparently think it’s a vast left wing conspiracy or something.

59 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:48:40pm

re: #58 calochortus

In fairness, there are probably 4 or 5 posts out of maybe 140 that pointed out mentally ill people with firearms aren’t a good idea, but the vast majority apparently think it’s a vast left wing conspiracy or something.

But they will happily take marching orders from the NRA, whose sole gun-violence-prevention idea is to…. keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I’d call it cognitive dissonance if there were any cognition occurring.

60 calochortus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:51:07pm

re: #59 erik_t

But they will happily take marching orders from the NRA, whose sole gun-violence-prevention idea is to…. keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.

I’d call it cognitive dissonance if there were any cognition occurring.

Bingo.

But see, these are veterans we’re talking about and therefore they can do no wrong (unless they are those rare liberal veterans.) You have to switch to a whole different line of talking points to include the mentally ill. No overlap in the Venn diagram.

61 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:52:54pm

So basically this is nothing new. It’s been SOP since the signing of the Brady Bill in 1994. Apparently they also provided relief to this rule which was done in 2007. The following is testimony regarding NICS.

Mental Health Records Currently Available for NICS Checks

The FBI has obtained 138,766 disqualifying mental health records from the Veterans Administration and one such record from the Department of Defense, all of which are entered into the Mental Defective file. The following is a list of States that submit mental health information directly to the Mental Defective File. The totals represent the number of records submitted as of April 30, 2007…

That was the year 2007. GWB. I didn’t see anyone freaking out then.

62 calochortus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:53:41pm

OT, but I was just checking out RedState. The ad in the corner was something about “FEMA banned this video” (with an arrow to click on, of course.) Umm, how come I can see it there then? Is there no critical thinking anywhere?

edited to add-now when I go back to RS the ad says “Piers Morgan hates this video”. I guess they just keep trying until they find something irresistible. LOL

63 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:57:03pm

Aha! Got something else here.

64 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 12:59:10pm

Or maybe not. I don’t know. There is this.

Oct 01 2007
Bill to Strengthen VA Suicide Prevention Programs Passes Senate

Legislation that seeks to address the high rate of suicide among U.S. veterans moved within a step of final congressional action late Thursday after a GOP senator lifted his hold on the measure.

The Senate passed its version of the bill (HR 327) by voice vote and returned the measure to the House for final action.

Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., had held up passage of the legislation until its supporters removed a section that called for the Veterans Affairs Department to conduct “appropriate tracking of veterans.”

Coburn’s staff said that the senator was concerned that the tracking provision could allow the VA to share health data with other federal agencies — such as the Justice Department — and that veterans with mental illness could then be barred from purchasing handguns.

The 1993 Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act (PL 103-159) requires states to send to the FBI’s instant criminal background check system the names of persons barred from possession of handguns, such as convicted felons and anyone “adjudicated as a mental defective.” But federal regulations interpreting that phrase explicitly exclude people who voluntarily seek care in a mental institution.

In another change, a section of the bill that said that the VA “shall provide for a mental health screening of veterans who receive medical care at a Department medical facility” was altered to state that the VA “shall direct that medical staff offer mental health in their overall health assessment when veterans seek medical care at a Department medical facility.” Coburn spokesman John Hart said that the change would effectively create an “opt-out” for veterans who do not want mental health screening and treatment.

The bill is named after Joshua Omvig, an Iraq War veteran who served in the Army Reserve and killed himself in December 2005 after an 11-month deployment. Omvig’s parents have pushed for improved readjustment procedures for returning service members.

Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, the sponsor of a similar bill (S 479) approved by the Senate Veterans’ Affairs Committee, had tussled with Coburn over the hold in floor debate earlier this month. He praised passage of the bill in a statement Friday.

“I am heartened to see that after many months of talking about preventing suicide among our veterans, Congress finally took action,” Harkin said.

The House is expected to clear the bill with little opposition. The original version passed 424-0 on March 21.

The bill would require the Veterans Affairs Department (VA) to provide training to employees and contractors to make them aware of suicide risk factors and protocols for crisis intervention with veterans at risk for suicide. It also would authorize a family outreach program to address stigmas about mental illness and encourage veterans to seek treatment.

The suicide prevention program authorized in the bill also would require the placement of suicide prevention counselors at VA medical facilities, as well as peer support counseling. Another provision would authorize a 24-hour toll-free mental health care hotline — a step that the VA has already taken.

The Congressional Budget Office estimated that the bill would have little or no cost because the “VA already has or soon will implement all the specific requirements of the bill.”

65 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:05:22pm

There’s no longer any difference between the right wing blogosphere and Alex Jones. They push exactly the same stories.

Veterans React to Gun Confiscation Letter From VA

66 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:06:01pm

re: #64 Gus

Or maybe not. I don’t know. There is this.

Oct 01 2007
Bill to Strengthen VA Suicide Prevention Programs Passes Senate

Coburn removed the tracking of veterans for this purpose. Then that bill passed.

67 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:08:22pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

There’s no longer any difference between the right wing blogosphere and Alex Jones. They push exactly the same stories.

Veterans React to Gun Confiscation Letter From VA

It’s part of the Brady Bill. Been happening since 1994. Maybe the letter is new but the text of that letter has been part of VA policy since 2011.

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:08:27pm

Just remember, in some circles, Hoft is considered a major success just because of the traffic he generates

69 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:09:14pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

There’s no longer any difference between the right wing blogosphere and Alex Jones. They push exactly the same stories.

Veterans React to Gun Confiscation Letter From VA

I already know a guy who will come over to me on Monday with a shit eating grin on his face to tell me about this.

70 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:09:36pm

Also see #61.

71 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:16:42pm

re: #68 Kragar (Antichrist )

Just remember, in some circles, Hoft is considered a major success just because of the traffic he generates

Which is in itself a really, REALLY sad statement.

Really.

72 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:17:05pm

So these people actually think that someone who has such a severe mental illness (whether permanent or temporary) to the point of which they have been judged mentally incompetent that they should be able to buy a gun?

73 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:18:38pm

The patriots at Jim Hoft’s site say:

If you have plans to join the US military consider these facts, the military has made an all out push to remove God from it’s institution, allow openly sexual perverts into it’s ranks, put women on the front lines of combat, make it’s wounded into beggars when they return home, and now this stripping of rights. Is this what you are willing to kill and die for?

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:20:21pm

TCM showing “Cat Ballou” right now if any western fans are interested.

75 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:20:32pm

Good lord, these people are incredibly stupid.

Where will the next FORT SUMTER be? Who will be the next Jefferson Davis, the next General Lee and the next Stonewall Jackson? Who will stand up as Patrick Henry and George washington did? Is this the end of America as we know it? Or can we say IF AT FIRST YOU DON’T SECCEED, TRY AGAIN?
DEO VINDICE

76 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:20:43pm

re: #72 Gus

So these people actually think that someone who has such a severe mental illness (whether permanent or temporary) to the point of which they have been judged mentally incompetent that they should be able to buy a gun?

Why do you hate veterans, freedom, and cute cuddly kittens?

77 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:22:19pm

re: #76 Kronocide

Why do you hate veterans, freedom, and cute cuddly kittens?

The NRA chimes in:

Veterans and Mental Health

The danger of overbroad mental health disqualifiers is already clear to tens of thousands of veterans. Veterans and family members who receive benefits from the Department of Veterans Affairs and have simply had personal representatives appointed to manage those benefits are currently labeled as “mentally defective,” reported to NICS and barred from gun possession. Fortunately, the NICS Improvement Amendments Act required federal agencies that make such decisions to provide avenues for legal relief as well.

78 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:24:53pm

Let’s say you have a brother. He’s a veteran of 6 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He’s suffering from severe PTSD. He’s sitting at the kitchen table, crying, head in hands, shaking. Occasional verbal outbursts. Tears rolling down his face.

Would you want him to buy a handgun? Would you let him buy a handgun?

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:26:40pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Good lord, these people are incredibly stupid.

Oh look. A Neo-Confederate.

80 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:28:32pm

re: #78 Gus

Let’s say you have a brother. He’s a veteran of 6 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He’s suffering from severe PTSD. He’s sitting at the kitchen table, crying, head in hands, shaking. Occasional verbal outbursts. Tears rolling down his face.

Would you want him to buy a handgun? Would you let him buy a handgun?

I’d rather see him in the hospital.

81 Tigger2  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:30:10pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Good lord, these people are incredibly stupid.

Hell it’s the Republicans that undermine to Government and America every chance they get.

82 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:30:27pm

re: #80 b_sharp

I’d rather see him in the hospital.

True but given that this is the USA that’s not always likely to happen.

83 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:30:37pm

Hey! Any reports on the Day of Resistance?

84 Tigger2  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:31:22pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Hey! Any reports on the Day of Resistance?

I heard a lot of it was a day of fail.

85 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:31:26pm

The whole things is straw man with these guys anyway because they’re spreading a rumor/hoax about the VA prohibiting ALL veterans from owning firearms. It’s another case of “Friends of Hamas.”

86 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:32:09pm

re: #84 Tigger2

I heard a lot of it was a day of fail.

haha. Well I didn’t see any arms bared in my neck of the woods. (Kinda chilly)

87 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:32:16pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Hey! Any reports on the Day of Resistance?

88 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:32:47pm

re: #78 Gus

Let’s say you have a brother. He’s a veteran of 6 combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan. He’s suffering from severe PTSD. He’s sitting at the kitchen table, crying, head in hands, shaking. Occasional verbal outbursts. Tears rolling down his face.

Would you want him to buy a handgun? Would you let him buy a handgun?

As someone who has an intimate familiarity with suicidal ideation, I’d say it is a good idea to keep such an effective suicide option away from him.

89 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:33:08pm

Don’t Like Where Online Journalism Is Going? Blame Trolls

While conventional wisdom indicates that trolls accomplish little besides amusing themselves, a new study by researchers at the University of Wisconsin-Madison found that the tone of comments can influence readers’ perceptions. Supported by the National Science Foundation, the researchers looked at readers’ perception of newspaper blog posts related to nanotechnology when the civility of comments in the post were purposely manipulated. The researchers found that name-calling introduced into an otherwise balanced blog post could provoke higher or lower perceptions of the risks associated with nanotechnology, with readers who are less likely to trust science becoming more skeptical after reading negative comments.

In other words, while trolls may not necessarily change anyone’s mind, they can polarize us — even more than we are already polarized. Dominique Brossard, one of the study’s authors, told UW-Madison’s Terry Devitt that the research was the “first to look at the potential effects blog comments have on public perceptions of science.” She said the results showed that even simple disagreements can sway perceptions and influence conversations.

90 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:33:13pm


91 Tigger2  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:33:25pm

re: #87 Gus

LMAO

92 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:33:41pm

re: #87 Gus

Fail.

93 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:34:15pm

re: #87 Gus

That apron is epic.

94 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:35:35pm

re: #90 Gus

LOOK! He’s carrying his balls on the outside!

Boy, that woman sure has a big dick.

95 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:36:44pm

Dey tuk er gunz!

96 Kronocide  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:38:00pm

BBL need to go get my cheesy poofs from Costco.

97 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:39:05pm

If you stick your revolver in your belt and it goes off, does the bear in the woods hear your screams from shooting your balls off?

98 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:39:08pm

re: #96 Kronocide

BBL need to go get my cheesy poofs from Costco.

Don’t forget a tricorne hat and pantaloons!

99 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:40:20pm

Page here: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

100 Tigger2  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:40:46pm

re: #87 Gus

How come wingnuts have to make every rally they have look like a Halloween Parade.

101 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:41:14pm

The Washington Post ombudsman asks: Patrick Pexton: Is the Post ‘Pro-Gay’?

The Post should do a better job of understanding and conveying to readers, with detachment and objectivity, the beliefs and the fears of social conservatives.

There is no facepalm grand enough.

Yeah, great. Let’s UNDERSTAND the bigots and homophobes and religious fanatics.

102 Mattand  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:42:30pm

re: #83 Stanley Sea

Hey! Any reports on the Day of Resistance?

I resisted paying attention to it.

103 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:43:30pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

The Washington Post ombudsman asks: Patrick Pexton: Is the Post ‘Pro-Gay’?

There is no facepalm grand enough.

Yeah, great. Let’s UNDERSTAND the bigots and homophobes and religious fanatics.

Normally we try to understand why people do what they do in order to prevent others from doing the same things.

104 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:43:41pm

I’m already waiting for the reports:

Man accidentally shot at gun rights rally

105 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:45:46pm

OT, but for you Tech geeks out there. Building a new computer. Just received the first parts.

A AMD Phenom II X4 3.4 GHZ (Black Edition) Processor

and the Cooler Master Hyper N520 CPU fan/heat-sink.

The Mother board will be a Gigabyte GA-78MLT with 32GB of DDR3 ram

This should be a real screaming unit when it is put together. What I really like about this mother board is that it supports all 3 types of monitors I currently use built in. VGA, HDMI and DVI. If I move the video card currently installed in my current system over to the new system, I can have up to 5 monitors.

This will allow me to.

1. Have the video from my video surveillance system displayed.
2. LGF displayed.
3. LGF Spy Displayed
4. What ever news (yeah, I’m a junkie) site I am browsing displayed.
5. Search Engine results/YouTube videos/etc. displayed.

Information overload? What information overload?

106 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:52:37pm

Close call at Daytona. No word of injuries yet. Engine almost pierced catch fence. Tire/wheel up on the stands.

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:53:01pm
108 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:53:30pm
109 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:54:57pm

re: #105 Bubblehead II

OT, but for you Tech geeks out there. Building a new computer. Just received the first parts.

A AMD Phenom II X4 3.4 GHZ (Black Edition) Processor

and the Cooler Master Hyper N520 CPU fan/heat-sink.

The Mother board will be a Gigabyte GA-78MLT with 32GB of DDR3 ram

This should be a real screaming unit when it is put together. What I really like about this mother board is that it supports all 3 types of monitors I currently use built in. VGA, HDMI and DVI. If I move the video card currently installed in my current system over to the new system, I can have up to 5 monitors.

This will allow me to.

1. Have the video from my video surveillance system displayed.
2. LGF displayed.
3. LGF Spy Displayed
4. What ever news (yeah, I’m a junkie) site I am browsing displayed.
5. Search Engine results/YouTube videos/etc. displayed.

Information overload? What information overload?

My system is similar except I have 12 GB RAM, and I upgraded to a Phenom X6. The Black Edition overclocks higher than the non-BEs given the same cooler.

I suspect can only hook up 2 monitors on the built-in graphics system because the HDMI and DVI share the same bus. Check the manual when you get them and check.

110 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:55:32pm
111 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:55:43pm

re: #106 Gus

There are injuries reported now.

Also, this was Nationwide Series, not Sprint Cup.

Something is going to give with NASCAR soon.

112 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:56:19pm

re: #107 Gus

They normally have ambulances at races.

113 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:57:30pm

re: #108 Gus

Now that looks bad. The launched car could send debris over the fence into the crowd.

114 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:58:05pm
115 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:58:30pm

re: #112 b_sharp

Number of injured last I heard was 8. That would would be an awful lot of ambulances.

The Daytona 500 last year was a total clusterfuck. And a recall an incident like this in the past 2 years, though not as bad.

116 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:58:45pm

re: #113 b_sharp

Now that looks bad. The launched car could send debris over the fence into the crowd.

Too close for comfort. That car penetrated the fence. NASCAR has to re-design the catch fence. Tire also landed on stands. Hearing of 6 injured thus far.

117 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:59:09pm
118 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 1:59:18pm

Wasn’t Dale Earnhardt Sr. killed at Daytona?

119 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:00:09pm

re: #116 Gus

Too close for comfort. That car penetrated the fence. NASCAR has to re-design the catch fence. Tire also landed on stands. Hearing of 6 injured thus far.

Several years ago a spectator was killed by a tire in an open wheel race (I can’t remember if it was Indy or Champ)

120 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:00:54pm

re: #119 b_sharp

Several years ago a spectator was killed by a tire in an open wheel race (I can’t remember if it was Indy or Champ)

1999. Three deaths, Indycar, Charlotte.

121 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:01:28pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

Wasn’t Dale Earnhardt Sr. killed at Daytona?

Yep.

122 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:01:37pm

Here’s video of the crash:

123 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:02:37pm

re: #118 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

Wasn’t Dale Earnhardt Sr. killed at Daytona?

Daytona is a big track with lots of room for high top speeds. Open wheel cars were getting >250mph on the straight away. I think only Indy and Detroit get those kind of speeds.

124 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:02:43pm

re: #116 Gus

Too close for comfort. That car penetrated the fence. NASCAR has to re-design the catch fence. Tire also landed on stands. Hearing of 6 injured thus far.

The loose engine, a physically small several-hundred-pound lump of metal, came through the fence. I have grave doubts about it even being possible to build a fence that would take that impact and still be, you know, see-through.

125 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:04:46pm

re: #124 erik_t

The loose engine, a physically small several-hundred-pound lump of metal, came through the fence. I have grave doubts about it even being possible to build a fence that would take that impact and still be, you know, see-through.

Those fences as they are have killed their share of drivers. They need to be flexible but strong.

126 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:06:13pm

re: #124 erik_t

The loose engine, a physically small several-hundred-pound lump of metal, came through the fence. I have grave doubts about it even being possible to build a fence that would take that impact and still be, you know, see-through.

What about if the grandstands were raised up a bit so the majority of the debris would just hit harmlessly below where actual people were sitting?

127 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:07:46pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

Here’s video of the crash:

[Embedded content]

You know you don’t actually have to put on your nic “(formerly dragonfire1981)”, it shows up anyway?

128 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:08:06pm

re: #109 b_sharp

“My system is similar except I have 12 GB RAM, and I upgraded to a Phenom X6. The Black Edition overclocks higher than the non-BEs given the same cooler.”

I was thinking about going for X6 core but went with what I already have (quad core) but at a higher speed. 3.4 GHZ v 2.4 GHZ.

“I suspect can only hook up 2 monitors on the built-in graphics system because the HDMI and DVI share the same bus. Check the manual when you get them and check.”

Well if that turns out to be the the case, will just have to suffer through with 4 instead of 5 monitors. Sigh.

129 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:08:07pm

re: #125 b_sharp

Those fences as they are have killed their share of drivers. They need to be flexible but strong.

We’re talking about energies equivalent of about 3lb of TNT, and no small amount of momentum. It’s not a given that you’re going to be able to handle that with a fence.

130 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:09:01pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

What about if the grandstands were raised up a bit so the majority of the debris would just hit harmlessly below where actual people were sitting?

Well, I’ve seen reports of tires up in the 20th row. And the stands are elevated to some degree already.

It would probably help. I’m not sure how much more safe things would get with a given height.

131 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:09:12pm

re: #126 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

What about if the grandstands were raised up a bit so the majority of the debris would just hit harmlessly below where actual people were sitting?

They need tall fences. Moving the stands higher would require the fences be higher and then strength is reduced. They’re in a kind of Catch 22.

132 klys  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:09:52pm

re: #122 Eclectic Cyborg (formerly dragonfire1981)

Here’s video of the crash:

[Embedded content]

NASCAR doesn’t want folks to see it. Blocked already.

133 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:10:32pm

re: #128 Bubblehead II

Well if that turns out to be the the case, will just have to suffer through with 4 instead of 5 monitors. Sigh.

Poor baby.

Have a beer.

Some of us have to do with 3 monitors (after the wife steals one for her treadmill)

134 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:12:57pm

re: #129 erik_t

We’re talking about energies equivalent of about 3lb of TNT, and no small amount of momentum. It’s not a given that you’re going to be able to handle that with a fence.

The difference is the energy isn’t expended all at once by designing the fence to stretch before breaking. I’m not sure what material they’d have to use, steel probably wouldn’t do it.

Too bad transparent aluminum isn’t real.

135 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:13:30pm

re: #127 b_sharp

You know you don’t actually have to put on your nic “(formerly dragonfire1981)”, it shows up anyway?

You know I totally forgot about that. D’oh!

Let me go ahead and change it.

136 Shvaughn  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:13:40pm

Huge car crash mars Nationwide Series race at Daytona

The Drive4COPD 300 had restarted with two laps remaining in the 120-lap race after it had been interrupted by a multicar pileup that resulted in driver Michael Annett being sent to a nearby hospital. As the field raced to the white flag signaling the final lap, Regan Smith’s car was turned sideways.

“I threw a block there,” Smith said. “I knew Brad (Keselowski) was going to try to make a move on me. … If I’m in the same situation tomorrow (in the Daytona 500), I’ll do the same thing again.”

As cars began to spin, Larson’s car became airborne and ripped into the catch fence. When it came to a stop, its engine was missing.

“I took a couple of big hits there and saw my engine was gone,” Larson said.

NASCAR officials said all drivers involved in the second massive wreck were treated and released.

After being treated and released, Dale Earnhardt Jr. said everyone “seems in good spirits” among the drivers who were in the care center, but Earnhardt expressed concern for those in the grandstands. “Guess some debris went up there,” he said. “I’m worried about everybody up there.”

137 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:15:01pm

re: #135 Eclectic Cyborg

You know I totally forgot about that. D’oh!

Let me go ahead and change it.

Cool.

138 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:18:38pm

re: #134 b_sharp

The difference is the energy isn’t expended all at once by designing the fence to stretch before breaking. I’m not sure what material they’d have to use, steel probably wouldn’t do it.

Too bad transparent aluminum isn’t real.

The real problem is that cars fragment, and do so in unpredictable ways. If they knew that no piece would ever have a smallest dimension smaller than, say, 2ft across, it’d be a pretty easy problem.

139 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:19:39pm

OK, time out. I’m seeing chainlink fencing here. With horizontal cabling. That’s not the latest design.

140 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:22:38pm

re: #139 Gus

OK, time out. I’m seeing chainlink fencing here. With horizontal cabling. That’s not the latest design.

Well that seems awfully stupid.

141 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:22:50pm

Or maybe not. Anywho, some reading here…

[Link: sports.espn.go.com…]

142 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:23:51pm

re: #140 erik_t

Well that seems awfully stupid.

I could be wrong.

[Link: pbs.twimg.com…]

Seems like some kind of mesh.

143 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:23:59pm

I really don’t see the point of auto races. Cars go fast. In a circle. People die. Wow.

144 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:24:13pm

re: #138 erik_t

The real problem is that cars fragment, and do so in unpredictable ways. If they knew that no piece would ever have a smallest dimension smaller than, say, 2ft across, it’d be a pretty easy problem.

The cars are designed to fragment. It uses up energy. I’ve watched drivers get up and walk away from crashes where the car was torn into pieces. Danica Patrick was in one a few years ago in I think Toronto.


I noticed the engine was caught by the fence which wrapped itself around it.

145 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:24:30pm

Close up of fence at Daytona.

Image: 1100789_article_img_large4.jpg

146 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:24:52pm

re: #139 Gus

OK, time out. I’m seeing chainlink fencing here. With horizontal cabling. That’s not the latest design.

They are chain link.

147 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:24:53pm

my father used to be a lawyer defending the city of new york

told me once that there were injuries at ball parks that the city didn’t want to ever get out

148 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:25:30pm

re: #146 b_sharp

They are chain link.

Yep. I’m pretty sure the catch fence is going to be the big story here.

149 engineer cat  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:25:46pm

re: #143 Iwouldprefernotto

I really don’t see the point of auto races. Cars go fast. In a circle. People die. Wow.

perhaps the complexities of baseball are too overwhelming

150 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:25:49pm

re: #133 b_sharp

Poor baby.

“Have a beer.”

I am.

Some of us have to do with 3 monitors (after the wife steals one for her treadmill)

I live with it on a daily basis. :-)
Image: My_system.JPG

151 b_sharp  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:27:25pm

re: #148 Gus

Yep. I’m pretty sure the catch fence is going to be the big story here.

I think all the courses have a form of chain link where the main stands are. I’ve watched more than a 100 races and that’s all I can remember seeing. But then I’m old and my mind is gone…

152 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:28:02pm

OT, but…

Just when I thought Reality TV couldn’t get any dumber…

I remember when TLC was The Learning Channel and actually had some decent programming.

153 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:29:56pm

A new customer brought me his bike today. It’s a Stingray-style old Ross kids bike (the customer is at least 20-something). The bike has had a hard life. It’s purple, with a girl’s type frame. Most people would look at it and call it a piece of junk. The customer told me his bike has a name: The Garden of Jerusalem. He said it had saved him from the devil.

154 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:30:55pm

re: #151 b_sharp

I think all the courses have a form of chain link where the main stands are. I’ve watched more than a 100 races and that’s all I can remember seeing. But then I’m old and my mind is gone…

That works. Plus the fence didn’t exactly completely fail. The tire is probably a different story.

155 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:31:29pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

A new customer brought me his bike today. It’s a Stingray-style old Ross kids bike (the customer is at least 20-something). The bike has had a hard life. It’s purple, with a girl’s type frame. Most people would look at it and call it a piece of junk. The customer told me his bike has a name: The Garden of Jerusalem. He said it had saved him from the devil.

O_o

156 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:32:01pm
157 Interesting Times  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:32:10pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

OT, but…

Just when I thought Reality TV couldn’t get any dumber…

I remember when TLC was The Learning Channel and actually had some decent programming.

Just remember TLC now stands for Trashy, Lurid Crap.

158 Sionainn  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:32:18pm

re: #150 Bubblehead II

I live with it on a daily basis. :-)
Image: My_system.JPG

Is that a big tin foil thingy over your monitors to protect yourself?

159 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:32:41pm

re: #157 Interesting Times

Just remember TLC now stands for Trashy, Lurid Crap.

Heh, that about covers it.

160 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:33:06pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

A new customer brought me his bike today. It’s a Stingray-style old Ross kids bike (the customer is at least 20-something). The bike has had a hard life. It’s purple, with a girl’s type frame. Most people would look at it and call it a piece of junk. The customer told me his bike has a name: The Garden of Jerusalem. He said it had saved him from the devil.

okay. That must have been interesting.

161 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:33:33pm

I wonder if one of the spectators dies can NASCAR be sued or do they get an out because of that whole “if you attend a sporting event you accept their may be certain physical risks to you as part of attending said event…” and so forth?

162 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:34:17pm

re: #155 Gus

O_o

He told me about a movie called ‘It’, in which a guy saves his girlfriend (can’t remember if it was from the devil) by putting her on his bike and telling her to ride. I looked for the movie. Maybe it’s this one.

Taglines:
If a beautiful girl screams in the woods…

Budget:
$50 (estimated)

163 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:35:09pm

re: #161 Eclectic Cyborg

I wonder if one of the spectators dies can NASCAR be sued or do they get an out because of that whole “if you attend a sporting event you accept their may be certain physical risks to you as part of attending said event…” and so forth?

I wouldn’t doubt that NASCAR has some sort of indemnity clause in really, really fine print on the back of their race tickets.

164 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:35:28pm

re: #160 Bubblehead II

okay. That must have been interesting.

Never a dull day around here. A few dull hours now and then, but not a whole day.

165 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:35:49pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

He told me about a movie called ‘It’, in which a guy saves his girlfriend (can’t remember if it was from the devil) by putting her on his bike and telling her to ride. I looked for the movie. Maybe it’s this one.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_(1990_film)

Think I remember the one from 1960.

166 erik_t  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:36:05pm

re: #150 Bubblehead II

I live with it on a daily basis. :-)
Image: My_system.JPG

Three nice big bitchin’ monitors and… a can of Natty.

Some people just can’t be explained by modern science.

167 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:36:10pm
168 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:36:37pm

Wow! This was news to me. I haven’t received one of these letters yet. Maybe they don’t realize believe that I’m mentally incompetent.

A Hoft poll:
Jim Hoft is dumber than:
a. Sarah Palin’s speechwriter.
b. The athlete’s foot fungus.
c. A box of especially dull rocks
d. Ron Paul!

169 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:37:00pm

re: #158 Sionainn

Is that a big tin foil thingy over your monitors to protect yourself?

Nope, it’s a space blanket over a window. Helps cut down on heat loss. Room is actually 10 to 15 degrees warmer when it’s lowered.

170 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:37:30pm

So, out of of curiosity, I went to see if Jeremy Clarkson has made an ass of himself recently. Instead, I found this:

Jeremy Clarkson Is A mimsy woowoo

Can someone translate that insult from British English to American English?

171 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:37:41pm

Never mind. I’m apparently confuseled here on a couple of things. Got hot all of the sudden. Maybe I should remove some layers.

172 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:40:08pm

re: #167 Gus

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Yup!

Audra, still catatonic from her encounter, is coaxed back to life aboard Bill’s old bicycle “Silver” when he takes her to outrun It’s fading influence the same way he did when the bike helped Bill while trying to save a young Stan who was frozen with fear.

The guy mentioned a scary clown, too.

173 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:44:58pm

re: #166 erik_t

Three nice big bitchin’ monitors and… a can of Natty.

Some people just can’t be explained by modern science.

Cheap, but potent. What more could you ask for? Besides, I am out of Crown.

174 klys  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:46:06pm

re: #173 Bubblehead II

Cheap, but potent. What more could you ask for? Besides, I am out of Crown.

There is always gin…

175 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:47:21pm

re: #170 ProBosniaLiberal

So, out of of curiosity, I went to see if Jeremy Clarkson has made an ass of himself recently. Instead, I found this:

Can someone translate that insult from British English to American English?

Animal rights activists outraged as ‘oaf’ Jeremy Clarkson posted picture of a squashed dead mouse ‘killed during Top Gear rehearsals’!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

176 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:47:23pm

re: #174 klys

There is always gin…

You trying to make me puke? :-)

177 freetoken  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:47:33pm

re: #152 Eclectic Cyborg

Just when I thought Reality TV couldn’t get any dumber…

Our civilization has come to the end of its road.

You see, the Mayans were right, but no one was bright enough to understand what they were really trying to say.

178 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:48:34pm

Guess they never visited whatjeffkilled dot com.

179 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:50:35pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Yup!

The guy mentioned a scary clown, too.

The “saved from the devil” bit may also be a lift from the repeated use of the phrase “(fast enough) to beat the devil” from It.

180 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:50:51pm

re: #175 Gus

Accidentally running over animals happens.

Taking pictures of you “accomplishment,” then bragging about it makes you look like an immature tool. He has the maturity of the cat who brings it’s “trophy home.”

Except he is a self-aware human being (in theory.) This just makes him look stupid.

181 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:51:54pm

re: #180 ProBosniaLiberal

Accidentally running over animals happens.

Taking pictures of you “accomplishment,” then bragging about it makes you look like an immature tool. He has the maturity of the cat who brings it’s “trophy home.”

Except he is a self-aware human being (in theory.) This just makes him look stupid.

Meh. I have other things to worry about.

182 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:52:29pm

Hi everyone!

I heard about this a day or so ago. Save me from reading the whole thread —has it been determined that the VA actually has jurisdiction in this area? Meaning, without adjudication, the VA can arbitrarily decided which veterans can and cannot own a firearm?

183 ProBosniaLiberal  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:54:39pm

re: #181 Gus

True. I’m just very puzzled as to why he is so popular.

184 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:54:54pm

re: #180 ProBosniaLiberal

Accidentally running over animals happens.

Taking pictures of you “accomplishment,” then bragging about it makes you look like an immature tool. He has the maturity of the cat who brings it’s “trophy home.”

Except he is a self-aware human being (in theory.) This just makes him look stupid.

It was also on Twitter too. Wasn’t like it was broadcast on Top Gear. People are just out to get him for whatever reason. Say something wrong these days and suddenly you a bunch of busybodies following your every move looking for a way to destroy your livelihood.

185 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:55:50pm

re: #183 ProBosniaLiberal

True. I’m just very puzzled as to why he is so popular.

Got me. I like him. He’s pretty funny and I love the way he responds sometimes when he’s testing a fast Ferrari or two. :D

186 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:57:05pm

re: #179 The Ghost of a Flea

The “saved from the devil” bit may also be a lift from the repeated use of the phrase “(fast enough) to beat the devil” from It.

What a knowledge base we have here.

Did the bike in the movie have a name?

187 chadu  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 2:58:05pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Good lord, these people are incredibly stupid.

Who will be the next Jefferson Davis, the next General Lee and the next Stonewall Jackson?

That would be Cletus, Jim-Bob, and William “Goober” McGee, the famous McGee triplets. Like, duh!

You’re welcome.

188 kirkspencer  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:01:08pm

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

Hi everyone!

I heard about this a day or so ago. Save me from reading the whole thread —has it been determined that the VA actually has jurisdiction in this area? Meaning, without adjudication, the VA can arbitrarily decided which veterans can and cannot own a firearm?

Sorta.

What the VA can do is say, “This individual is mentally incompetent” and then turns that into the background check files. If the background is checked it the vet will come up negative.

That block can be removed by having a qualified mental professional conduct an examination and getting the statement pulled. That requires, of course, not only passing the exam but that the pro knows of the block and submits the paperwork to have it reversed.

So it’s not a direct prohibition, it’s not completely arbitrary, and it can be overturned. But it is a block, it’s basically their (medical professional) word, and the subject isn’t told of the block’s existence.

189 chadu  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:01:17pm

re: #101 Charles Johnson

Yeah, great. Let’s UNDERSTAND the bigots and homophobes and religious fanatics.

So, what you’re saying is that they’re bigoted, homophobic, and religiously fanatical? I can see that.

190 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:03:38pm

re: #188 kirkspencer

Sorta.

What the VA can do is say, “This individual is mentally incompetent” and then turns that into the background check files. If the background is checked it the vet will come up negative.

That block can be removed by having a qualified mental professional conduct an examination and getting the statement pulled. That requires, of course, not only passing the exam but that the pro knows of the block and submits the paperwork to have it reversed.

So it’s not a direct prohibition, it’s not completely arbitrary, and it can be overturned. But it is a block, it’s basically their (medical professional) word, and the subject isn’t told of the block’s existence.

OK, so that is wrong.

Thanks for explaining. Now, I heard somewhere that Jim Web (D-VA) and others are trying to get this corrected.

191 A Mom Anon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:04:04pm

re: #168 Shiplord Kirel

To get any dumber Hoff would have to multiply. Also too, I just talked to a friend of mine who went through a seriously traumatic incident in the first Gulf War and he said that something like the topic of this post isn’t a bad idea. Said if he’d had a gun right after he got home he would have done lots of damage and wouldn’t have had a chance to work through at least some of his trauma. He still has anger issues, but not nearly as pronounced, he also still drinks too much. But he’s in a way better place than he was then. Baby steps.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:05:02pm

re: #145 Gus

Close up of fence at Daytona.

Image: 1100789_article_img_large4.jpg

Heck of a wreck.

[Link: m.youtube.com…]

193 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:05:07pm

re: #187 chadu

That would be Cletus, Jim-Bob, and William “Goober” McGee, the famous McGee triplets. Like, duh!

You’re welcome.

Larry, his brother Daryl and his other brother, Daryll?

194 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:05:17pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

What a knowledge base we have here.

Did the bike in the movie have a name?

Silver.

195 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:05:57pm
196 chadu  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:06:14pm

re: #193 FemNaziBitch

That would be Cletus, Jim-Bob, and William “Goober” McGee, the famous McGee triplets. Like, duh!

You’re welcome.

Larry, his brother Daryl and his other brother, Daryll?

They’re in the Senate.

197 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:06:38pm

re: #196 chadu

They’re in the Senate.

I didn’t realize their net worth was that high.

198 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:07:46pm

re: #194 Dr Lizardo

Silver.

Oh, man. That was in the bit I posted above. Moar tea!!!

And thank you.

I guess my customer had to go with ‘The Garden of Jerusalem’ because ‘Purple’ would be a dumb name.

199 chadu  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:07:53pm

re: #197 FemNaziBitch

Daryl has an exciting secondary career involving sppon-playing and drooling on command. Big bucks!

200 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:08:05pm

NASCAR being stupid.

201 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:11:17pm
202 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:11:34pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

Oh, man. That was in the bit I posted above. Moar tea!!!

And thank you.

I guess my customer had to go with ‘The Garden of Jerusalem’ because ‘Purple’ would be a dumb name.

I remember the TV miniseries fairly well, but I remember the book far better.

203 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:12:23pm

I don’t understand car racing. They go around and around and around, unlike horse-racing. Which is exciting—much better suited to those of us with short-attention spans.

204 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:12:52pm

re: #202 Dr Lizardo

I remember the TV miniseries fairly well, but I remember the book far better.

I don’t remember a Miniseries called Purple. Masterpiece Theatre?

205 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:15:04pm
206 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:15:58pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

There is nothing like hearing the call to post on the first Saturday in May.

207 darthstar  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:16:03pm

re: #117 Gus

That’s why you should always bring a mitt.

208 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:16:30pm

re: #207 darthstar

That’s why you should always bring a mitt.

You’re gonna need a bigger mitt. //

209 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:16:39pm

re: #206 PhillyPretzel

There is nothing like hearing the call to post on the first Saturday in May.

Nothing better!

210 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:17:05pm

re: #207 darthstar

That’s why you should always bring a mitt.

NO ONE needs a Mitt.

211 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:17:42pm

re: #206 PhillyPretzel

There is nothing like hearing the call to post on the first Saturday in May.

going to Keeneland in a few weeks. Can’t wait.

212 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:19:02pm

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

I don’t remember a Miniseries called Purple. Masterpiece Theatre?

Heh.

213 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:22:40pm
214 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:24:27pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

I don’t understand car racing. They go around and around and around, unlike horse-racing. Which is exciting—much better suited to those of us with short-attention spans.

I used to like horse racing, until I found out there were more drugs involved than in bicycle racing. At least they don’t shoot bike racers who break down.

215 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:28:32pm

re: #195 Gus

Control the narrative.

216 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:29:59pm

re: #215 TedStriker

Control the narrative.

It’s already backfiring.

217 kirkspencer  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:31:29pm

re: #190 FemNaziBitch

OK, so that is wrong.

Thanks for explaining. Now, I heard somewhere that Jim Web (D-VA) and others are trying to get this corrected.

wait what?

I think I may have confused, or be confused if Webb et al are trying to correct. Rephrasing:

VA shrinks are required to submit reports of mental instability to the database. For non-VA shrinks it is optional. (Sorta, there are nuances, but that’s the simple.)

For all, if the report is submitted then, well, see the long string above.

218 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:40:02pm

re: #214 wrenchwench

I used to like horse racing, until I found out there were more drugs involved than in bicycle racing. At least they don’t shoot bike racers who break down.

depends, some of the thoroughbreds get better care than many humans.

219 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:46:09pm

re: #217 kirkspencer

wait what?

I think I may have confused, or be confused if Webb et al are trying to correct. Rephrasing:

VA shrinks are required to submit reports of mental instability to the database. For non-VA shrinks it is optional. (Sorta, there are nuances, but that’s the simple.)

For all, if the report is submitted then, well, see the long string above.

hmmm, I don’t feel like researching it right now.

BUT

I did find this in a short search:

Coburn, as well as the four Democratic co-sponsors of the amendment—who include Jim Webb of Virginia and Jon Tester of Montana—argue that veterans should not lose their right to own firearms simply because they can’t handle their finances. The bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives The House version of the bill, S. 1707, which passed last year, would require that the right to purchase or possess guns could only be taken away if a judicial authority rules a veteran to be dangerous.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:07:51pm

I know I’m dead-threading, but I feel it must be said that the NRA itself has made clear that someone cannot be ruled by the VA to be incompetent due to mental illness without a hearing, and the rules further provide for an appeal and for later removal from being barred from owning a gun if the veteran’s condition improves.

221 palomino  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:34:17pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

I know I’m dead-threading, but I feel it must be said that the NRA itself has made clear that someone cannot be ruled by the VA to be incompetent due to mental illness without a hearing, and the rules further provide for an appeal and for later removal from being barred from owning a gun if the veteran’s condition improves.

So then Obama’s not coming to take all the veterans’ guns away (or the rest of our guns either)?

Why does your party keep pushing this paranoid b.s. fantasy?


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