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1 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:25:08pm

Machines of Loving Grace?

I’m pretty sure that is a heretical statement, but I won’t tell anyone.

:0

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:29:51pm

All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace
by Richard Brautigan

I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.

I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.

I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.

3 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:35:46pm

It’s a wonderful short-film!

4 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:37:10pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

I can’t view the video above until I get home, but I can see this one:

(*Caution! Naked Human Butts!*)

One scene makes sense out of

‘where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.’

for those who don’t remember the computers of 1967.

5 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:37:37pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

reminds me of the last of the METAtropolis series with John Scalzi.

6 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:43:42pm

Neat. I love machines.

7 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:46:03pm

Appalling: LA Cardinal at center of sex abuse scandal compares himself to Jesus

I have tried to live out-poorly and inadequately far too often-his two implications of humiliation:
1. the acceptance of being scapegoated, pointing out the necessary connection between humiliation and redemption;
2. this scandal is putting us, the clergy and the church, where we belong-with the excluded ones; Jesus was painted with the same brush as the two thieves crucified with him.

This is in response to his intention to travel to Italy to vote for the next Pope despite allegations against him.

His statement offends me on so many levels I won’t even comment further on it, except to say that my already low opinion of the Catholic church has sunk even lower.

8 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:48:40pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Appalling: LA Cardinal at center of sex abuse scandal compares himself to Jesus

This is in response to his intention to travel to Italy to vote for the next Pope despite allegations against him.

His statement offends me on so many levels I won’t even comment further on it, except to say that my already low opinion of the Catholic church has sunk even lower.

not one cent of my money.

9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:48:41pm

Wow, just noticed that the post about Larry Pratt has more than 1300 Facebook ‘likes.’ Must have gotten linked by someone with a lot of followers.

Of course, since Facebook redirects all its links through a script, thereby breaking the HTTP referral standard, there’s no way to tell who linked to the post.

10 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 3:55:14pm
11 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:02:34pm

as opposed to this BS that appeared on my fb.

That’s right, ‘hoochie mama”

I swear these people live under a rock.

I responded that the poster should research Nancy Reagan’s clothing expenditures and then said that no one wanted to look like Nancy-ever.

12 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:02:56pm

bbl

13 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:04:42pm

On a more tender note I am sick with a bad cold at the moment and my wife is out for the evening and quite miss her, so I decided to write this for her just now:

Come to me my precious one,
amid the sweet twilight.
I’m hurting and I need your healing,
I need your love tonight.

The aches roll through my body,
like the waves bouncing off the sand,
I feel strangely incomplete,
a weakened, half made man.

But as the coughs consume me,
and relief seems far from sight,
I can’t deny I want you with me,
I need your love tonight.

There’s no need to call a doctor,
I don’t want a bunch of pills.
All I need is you beside me,
to ease away my ills.

I hope that I’ll be feeling better,
at the dawn of morning light,
but for now here in the darkness,
I need your love tonight.

It’s clear that I’m not perfect,
but I took a solemn vow,
and I know I’ve never loved you more,
than I deeply do right now.

All I seek is a speck of peace,
a little brief respite,
If only you were in my arms,
I need your love tonight.

14 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:05:54pm

re: #7 Eclectic Cyborg

Appalling: LA Cardinal at center of sex abuse scandal compares himself to Jesus

This is in response to his intention to travel to Italy to vote for the next Pope despite allegations against him.

His statement offends me on so many levels I won’t even comment further on it, except to say that my already low opinion of the Catholic church has sunk even lower.

LA Cardinal Roger Mahony claims he didn’t know how to deal with sex abuse claims

A US Catholic cardinal stripped of his duties said Friday he didn’t know how to handle sex abuse claims, as he had not learned about it at college—drawing withering criticism from victims.

Retired Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony wrote on his blog that he was not taught about child sexual abuse, a day after was relieved of all administrative and public duties” by the current archbishop of LA.

Here is a fucking clue jackass, you don’t cover them up and you call the police.

Mahony is fucking gutter scum.

15 freetoken  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:07:25pm

As I’ve mentioned before, my project this year is working on genealogy… so I’m going through US census records tracking down one g-g-grandfather, about whom I know quite a bit, and realize how fortunate we are to live in a country that was willing to actually take records of its citizens.

This gets me back to the anti-census wingnut outrages of 2010 - those people are so deep into their own hatred (and existential crisis about which they are in total denial) that they couldn’t accept that gathering information is much more productive than destructive.

16 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:07:29pm

re: #14 Kragar (Antichrist )

LA Cardinal Roger Mahony claims he didn’t know how to deal with sex abuse claims

Here is a fucking clue jackass, you don’t cover them up and you call the police.

Mahony is fucking gutter scum.

No, I believe gutter scum is more evolved…

17 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:12:47pm

re: #15 freetoken

As I’ve mentioned before, my project this year is working on genealogy… so I’m going through US census records tracking down one g-g-grandfather, about whom I know quite a bit, and realize how fortunate we are to live in a country that was willing to actually take records of its citizens.

That’s great. All my grandparents are from Europe and its been tough to find much information, especially Denmark.

18 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:13:11pm
Frank says:

We play the new free music, music as the absolutely free, unencumbered by American cultural suppression

19 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:16:50pm

One machine can do the work of fifty ordinary men. No machine can do the work of one extraordinary man.

~ Elbert Hubbard

20 freetoken  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:17:04pm

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

European countries are quite diverse when it comes to these things.

As far as Denmark - it depends upon which era you’re looking at. According to my relatives who do that side of the family, I too have ancestors in Denmark but they are waaayyy back, and we know about them because the Norwegians kept so many records including marriages with others.

Have you been in contact with genealogical societies in Denmark? Some of these European countries even put their records online, and some (like Norway) even have English language web pages to be front ends, as they know many Americans search for this data.

21 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:28:44pm
22 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:31:37pm

re: #20 freetoken

European countries are quite diverse when it comes to these things.

As far as Denmark - it depends upon which era you’re looking at. According to my relatives who do that side of the family, I too have ancestors in Denmark but they are waaayyy back, and we know about them because the Norwegians kept so many records including marriages with others.

Have you been in contact with genealogical societies in Denmark? Some of these European countries even put their records online, and some (like Norway) even have English language web pages to be front ends, as they know many Americans search for this data.

My aunt has been searching for years. My grandfather came over from the Jutland area around 1920. I met a Danish woman a few years ago who had the same problem chasing her family tree before she moved to the US. One of her uncles who had a lot of time on his hands went from church to church searching though the records they have kept. If I had the time (and could read Danish) I would love the adventure of doing the same thing.

23 makeitstop  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:32:42pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Wow, just noticed that the post about Larry Pratt has more than 1300 Facebook ‘likes.’ Must have gotten linked by someone with a lot of followers.

Of course, since Facebook redirects all its links through a script, thereby breaking the HTTP referral standard, there’s no way to tell who linked to the post.

I linked to it to troll my RWNJ FB ‘friends.’ It got a few very interesting responses. One guy, a former Nassau County cop, actually said that he trusted GOA because the NRA was ‘selling out our First Amendment rights.’

I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that.

24 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:52:19pm

Iran says it has brought down a spy drone ‘of the enemy’

LONDON - Iran’s Revolutionary Guards have brought down a foreign surveillance drone during a military exercise, the official Islamic Republic News Agency said on Saturday.

“We have managed to bring down a drone of the enemy. This has happened before in our country,” the agency quoted war games spokesman General Hamid Sarkheli as saying in Kerman, southeast Iran, where the military exercise is taking place.

The agency gave no details on who the drone belonged to.

So that’s where my kid’s paper plane went last weekend. They were looking for that.

25 Killgore Trout  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 4:59:56pm

re: #24 NJDhockeyfan

Iran says it has brought down a spy drone ‘of the enemy’

So that’s where my kid’s paper plane went last weekend. They were looking for that.

All you’re drones are belong to us!

26 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:01:03pm

Homophobic nutjob says what?

27 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:03:20pm

ESPN is reporting 28 injured, two serious with one in critical condition.

28 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:04:39pm

I’m not a NASCAR hater though. re: #25 Killgore Trout

All you’re drones are belong to us!

Black helicopters Drones are circling mah house!

29 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:05:13pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Homophobic nutjob says what?

King Obama won’t enforce DOMA. After all what’s compelling abt a law passed overwhelmngly by Congress + signed by Dem prez?

Segregation used to be the law of the land as well. Times change.

30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:05:44pm
31 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:07:03pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

Speaking of drones…

Image: m3060739a_99129915017_40kPlagueDrones01_873x627.jpg

Is that a new drone picture released from Tehran?

32 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:07:44pm

re: #31 NJDhockeyfan

Is that a new drone picture released from Tehran?

Might very well be.

33 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:08:22pm

re: #32 Kragar (Antichrist )

Might very well be.

I don’t know. Those look like they might fly.

34 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:12:41pm

watching Top Hat.

35 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:13:17pm

Oy. Another bird.

36 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:15:29pm

re: #13 Eclectic Cyborg

You’ll be fine.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:17:03pm

On The Waterfront is on TCM. Do I watch it or watch a hockey game?

Decisions…decisions…decisions…

38 Bubblehead II  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:18:55pm

Night Lizards.

To My Wife, Rebecca.

In memory of my Sister Debra. Rest In Peace

To the Lizard Nation, and yes, the Stalkers as well. Sleep well.

May the Deity of YOUR choice smile down upon you and yours.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:20:50pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

So Obama thinking a law is unconstitutional means he’s acting like a ‘king’? By that logic Wayne LaPierre must think himself the Emperor of the Milky Way Galaxy!

40 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:21:41pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

So Obama thinking a law is unconstitutional means he’s acting like a ‘king’? By that logic Wayne LaPierre must think himself the Emperor of the Milky Way Galaxy!

You’re implying he might not be?

41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:23:54pm

re: #30 Kragar (Antichrist )

Speaking of drones…

Image: m3060739a_99129915017_40kPlagueDrones01_873x627.jpg

Allies of Rush Limbaugh, whom i have determined is a Great Unclean One., with his dittoheads being his Nurglings.

42 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:26:11pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

Hey Dark, haven’t seen you a while, I’ve been spotty in my visits.

How’s the job?

43 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:30:30pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

Hey Dark, haven’t seen you a while, I’ve been spotty in my visits.

How’s the job?

High stress this week. I’ve got several firms looking hard at the event I’m working on, and trying to turn those looks into a sale is stressful, especially with the end of the month coming soon. I’ll get by, though.

44 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:39:14pm

NASCAR said it pulled the private Youtube video of today’s accident “out of respect for the injured.” Right. Meanwhile they’re hosing down the area and repairing the catch fence and tomorrow race is on which was emphasized several times during their 5 PM EST press conference. Not that they should cancel tomorrow’s race but they’re been rather clumsy throughout this incident.

45 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:41:49pm

re: #44 Gus

NASCAR said it pulled the private Youtube video of today’s accident “out of respect for the injured.” Right. Meanwhile they’re hosing down the area and repairing the catch fence and tomorrow race is on which was emphasized several times during their 5 PM EST press conference. Not that they should cancel tomorrow’s race but they’re been rather clumsy throughout this incident.

All the cable news and sports channels keep showing the wreck over and over. How is removing it from YouTube going to do anything?

46 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:42:41pm

re: #45 NJDhockeyfan

All the cable news and sports channels keep showing the wreck over and over. How is removing it from YouTube going to do anything?

Absolutely nothing. Once it’s on the internet… All it does is make them look like bad guys.

47 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:43:41pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

Allies of Rush Limbaugh, whom i have determined is a Great Unclean One., with his dittoheads being his Nurglings.

Come on now, don’t be hating on Nurgle by tying him to that POS Limbaugh.

48 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:46:35pm

Monkeys in space

The Iranian space and nuclear weapons programs have hit opposition from a new, unexpected source. Animal rights activists around the world have united in the common cause to stop Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s regime launching any more primates into space.

“Clearly the Iranians don’t give a monkey’s butt for animal welfare,” said Mickey Katz, a spokeswoman for FETA (Fanatics for the Ethical Treatment of Animals). “It’s one thing when they threaten the ‘Zionist dogs’ all the time – without taking into consideration the feelings of canines anywhere in the world – and it’s another thing completely when they start launching primates into the atmosphere.”

Asked about the possibility that the photographs of the Iranian monkey turned astronaut were fake, Katz answered: “We noticed the signs of monkey business in the photos with a great deal of concern. It’s possible they are just aping the Americans and other capitalist pigs but we are worried that they did launch a monkey and it didn’t survive.

“Incidentally,” he added, “we’d like to remind people that making a wish on a dead monkey’s paw is dangerous. You should always be careful what you wish for.”

LOL

49 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:46:49pm

Was just browsing the PressTV website. Apparently nothing bad has or is happening in Iran.

50 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:50:36pm

re: #49 Gus

Was just browsing the PressTV website. Apparently nothing bad has or is happening in Iran.

The Iranians executed 45 in less than a week. Where do they place those stories on their website?

51 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:52:24pm

re: #50 NJDhockeyfan

The Iranians executed 45 in less than a week. Where do they place those stories on their website?

Probably an Easter egg hidden somewhere.

52 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:55:42pm

re: #43 Dark_Falcon

Good. Hang in there. The free market is tough (I know as well)

53 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 5:57:08pm

re: #51 Gus

Probably an Easter egg hidden somewhere.

If all you read was PressTV and nothing else you would think it’s all unicorns and rainbows out there.

54 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:02:17pm
55 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:02:27pm

re: #47 Kragar (Antichrist )

Come on now, don’t be hating on Nurgle by tying him to that POS Limbaugh.

But with his jovial persona, fat and bloated appearance, legions of nutty followers, and his consistent injection of the disease of Bad Craziness into American Politics, Rush fits well the image of a Great Deamon of the Plague Lord.

56 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:02:58pm

LOL!

57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:05:13pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

LOL!

Just got called? Is RSM trapped in the past?

Oh yeah.

Never mind.

58 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:07:49pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

LOL!

Derp. They can deny it all day long but the fact remains that the VA isn’t going to be taking veterans guns away. There’s an already existing provision to the ‘93 Brady bill that does attempt to prevent gun ownership by people who are judged mentally incompetent enrolled in the VA. Some of that is even temporary.

59 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:10:27pm

Even The Blaze admitted:

We’re here to report that this discussion already has cropped up in recent months and that it is not a new practice by the VA. This doesn’t make it any less worthy though for us to point out that it is raising questions among many.

But decided to get derpy with it anyway.

60 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:12:56pm

re: #58 Gus

Also, anyone who is ruled incompetent has the ability to appeal the decision and get their 2nd Amendment rights restored. Due process, what a concept.

Robert Stacy McCain is a creationist, a climate change denier, a misogynist, and a racist, so when he says I’m stupid I consider the source.

61 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:13:35pm

Image: h25E6438D.jpg

Later, lizards.

62 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:15:41pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

LOL!

Just? Behind the times, but for Civil War Dude, that’s understandable.

63 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:17:19pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

You seen this yet?

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Also, anyone who is ruled incompetent has the ability to appeal the decision and get their 2nd Amendment rights restored. Due process, what a concept.

Robert Stacy McCain is a creationist, a climate change denier, a misogynist, and a racist, so when he says I’m stupid I consider the source.

In the end then, all this talk about mental health issues by the gun rights people is mostly hot air. Seems as these people really think that anyone, regardless of their mental health, should be able to own a gun.

64 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:22:37pm

re: #63 Gus

In the end then, all this talk about mental health issues by the gun rights people is mostly hot air. Seems as these people really think that anyone, regardless of their mental health, should be able to own a gun.

That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning - it’s why I wrote this post: Gun Control: Don’t Fall for the ‘Mental Health’ Diversion

65 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:24:30pm

re: #14 Kragar (Antichrist )

LA Cardinal Roger Mahony claims he didn’t know how to deal with sex abuse claims

Here is a fucking clue jackass, you don’t cover them up and you call the police.

Mahony is fucking gutter scum.

YOu protect the children, Cardinal. Isn’t that what the Church preaches?

66 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:25:40pm

re: #16 Eclectic Cyborg

No, I believe gutter scum is more evolved…

Yes, comparing the Cardinal to gutter scum makes gutter scum look bad.

67 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:25:41pm

re: #65 FemNaziBitch

YOu protect the children, Cardinal. Isn’t that what the Church preaches?

Preaches yes, practice seems to mostly be accumulation of wealth and power and using it strike down anyone who threatens that practice.

68 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:25:47pm

re: #64 Charles Johnson

That’s what I’ve been saying from the beginning - it’s why I wrote this post: Gun Control: Don’t Fall for the ‘Mental Health’ Diversion

I wonder if they now believe that Chris Kyle’s murderer, Eddie Ray Routh, should have been allowed to own firearms. Of course using that an example would lead to a lot of mental discombobulating.

69 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:26:57pm

re: #28 Gus

I’m not a NASCAR hater though.

Black helicopters Drones are circling mah house!

Are they the same sky blue ones I see?

:0

70 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:27:56pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Yes, comparing the Cardinal to gutter scum makes gutter scum look bad.

“Well, I never got a class on it in college…”

I assume the Cardinal never got a class on how to eat or breath, or an official class on calling 911 in an emergency, or an official class telling him how to wipe his ass, but he was somehow able to figure that shit out at some point in his life.

71 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:28:13pm

re: #60 Charles Johnson

Also, anyone who is ruled incompetent has the ability to appeal the decision and get their 2nd Amendment rights restored. Due process, what a concept.

Robert Stacy McCain is a creationist, a climate change denier, a misogynist, and a racist, so when he says I’m stupid I consider the source.

Indeed. Even the NRA has made this point in its publications, and they made the point expressly to smack down this type of web-circulated propaganda.

72 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:29:38pm

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Albright trumps skank

73 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:30:12pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

LOL!

You are being relevant again, Charles.

74 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:30:50pm

re: #58 Gus

Derp. They can deny it all day long but the fact remains that the VA isn’t going to be taking veterans guns away. There’s an already existing provision to the ‘93 Brady bill that does attempt to prevent gun ownership by people who are judged mentally incompetent enrolled in the VA. Some of that is even temporary.

oooh, you gotta a link for that?

75 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:32:01pm

re: #74 FemNaziBitch

oooh, you gotta a link for that?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

76 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:33:49pm

sorry for the delay in responding to posts. I had to take a few minutes to indulge in photography: food pr0n. I’ll post the final products when I’ve ran them thru my photoshop witch program.

77 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:35:24pm

re: #75 Gus

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

(((Gus)))

how’s the foot?

78 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:35:44pm

re: #73 FemNaziBitch

You are being relevant again, Charles.

He never stopped being relevant.

79 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:38:12pm

re: #77 FemNaziBitch

(((Gus)))

how’s the foot?

Thanks. Meh, OK. Doesn’t really hurt as much. Actually woke up close to normal with the ankle, neck and tooth. :D I can already hobble around without the crutch at times. But, I try to avoid that. Kind of going a bit stir crazy since I haven’t left the house since 1/31. I step outside on the front porch and that’s about it.

80 Stanley Sea  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:43:37pm

Watched FLOTUS and Jimmy Fallon again.

aaahahhhh the BEST

81 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:44:13pm
82 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:44:33pm
83 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:46:40pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

News Bulletin: Asshole racist gets PWNed by smart and sane blogger. Film at 10 (It’s 10pm instead of 11pm for the local news here in the Central Time Zone.)

84 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:46:49pm
85 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:47:58pm

re: #84 FemNaziBitch

Very cute and with names to match.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:48:47pm
87 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:50:34pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Even more Cuteness.

Where’s Floral?

88 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:51:37pm
89 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:54:19pm
90 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:56:00pm

The whole Church heirarchy has shown how devoid they are of humanity by the constant and blatant failure to protect children. How could any human be so separated from the basic instinct to do so? -and do it in the name of G-d?

NOT ONE PENNY

91 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:56:15pm

re: #88 FemNaziBitch

ultimate furry newborn cuteness!

Cute as newborns, aloof as adults. Such are all felines.

93 Charles Johnson  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 6:59:28pm

Fear the frog’s mighty war cry!

94 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:05:33pm

33 hurt in the NASCAR crash, wow.

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:07:05pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Fear the frog’s mighty war cry!

[Embedded content]

Video of tiny, squeaking frog drives dogs crazy

The frog was found and filmed by naturalist Dean Boshoff, who was walking past a sand dune in South Africa when he heard an insistent squeaking.

“I found him, I knelt down,” said Boshoff. “I couldn’t believe the little sound that he was making.”

Neither, apparently, can many dogs.

“When Dean posted the video, he asked others to share their pets’ reactions,” said Moos. The resulting video clips have shown dogs butting computers with their heads, running around in circles and even trying to make off with one user’s smart phone.

96 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:07:52pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Cute as newborns, aloof as adults. Such are all felines.

Depends on the cat and it depends on the person. Cats will bond with particular people in a household. Some are lap cats that will always want to jump on your lap. Sometimes your back. Purring away kneading the dough. Indoor/outdoor cats not so much.

97 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:10:05pm

Soldier Helps Bring Rescue Afghan Stray Cat Home

…PIA has become a constant companion to me, I ensure she was fed, rounded up funds to get her fixed and her shots…and she reminds me how wonderful I do have a home back in the US, and the love and support my family has provided me through these rough times.

I have had some down days, missing them, and as I sit outside thinking of home, this little cat with the biggest heart knows when to cuddle up in my arms, as I think of my family and the warmth and laughter in my home. I know, without a doubt, my morale has been picked up by PIA’s love and loyalty to a big guy in a place far away from his loved ones….I would think the only right thing to do is bring her back to my family, especially my daughter who has been asking about her since the day I shared her story with them…

98 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:10:19pm

re: #94 FemNaziBitch

33 hurt in the NASCAR crash, wow.

Amazing pictures here.

99 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:13:19pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Amazing picture here.

That would be a hell of a thing to see coming at you if you were a fan in the seats. Do they know what happened, driver or machine malfunction?

100 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:14:09pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

Amazing pictures here.

Judging by the pictures it looks like there were lots of empty seats at today’s race. Imagine if this happened tomorrow instead.

101 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:15:25pm

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

Judging by the pictures it looks like there were lots of empty seats at today’s race. Imagine if this happened tomorrow instead.

I noticed that too!

The drivers parents, spouses and partners must be having feelings about now.

102 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:17:19pm

bbl

103 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:32:29pm

One of the people in critical condition is a kid.

More than 2 dozen fans, including child, hurt at NASCAR race in Daytona

104 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:38:45pm

re: #63 Gus

You seen this yet?

I like it!

105 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:38:47pm

re: #90 FemNaziBitch

The whole Church heirarchy has shown how devoid they are of humanity by the constant and blatant failure to protect children. How could any human be so separated from the basic instinct to do so? -and do it in the name of G-d?

NOT ONE PENNY

One minor factor could be the fact that since they don’t marry they don’t get any of the nitty-gritty work in actually raising any?

106 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:39:51pm

I watched 1 hour of that idiotic Denzel Washington movie about the alcoholic drug addict airline pilot before turning it off.

107 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:39:51pm

re: #104 Vicious Babushka

I like it!

Put it to good use. ;)

108 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:40:56pm

re: #106 Vicious Babushka

I watched 1 hour of that idiotic Denzel Washington movie about the alcoholic drug addict airline pilot before turning it off.

At first I was like awesome! But then I read the spoiler and thought, bleh.

109 Feline Fearless Leader  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:41:09pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Fear the frog’s mighty war cry!

[Embedded content]

The cats say “DO NOT LIKE”.

Came into the room with their ears back when I played it wondering what the hell it was. And then left again.

110 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:43:19pm

re: #108 Gus

At first I was like awesome! But then I read the spoiler and thought, bleh.

I watched it up to the part when he’s guzzling vodka and driving with an open beer can, because hey he already drunk flew an airplane, and I thought I don’t care what happens to him at this point he is so fucked.

111 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:47:00pm

So what’s the spoiler? He gets saved by Jesus or something?

They would never show this movie on an airplane.

112 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:47:53pm
113 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:49:25pm

re: #110 Vicious Babushka

I watched it up to the part when he’s guzzling vodka and driving with an open beer can, because hey he already drunk flew an airplane, and I thought I don’t care what happens to him at this point he is so fucked.

I thought it was going to be “pilot has too much to drink that night before performing crazy maneuver that saves passengers lives after which a blood test reveals a high level of alcohol in which he goes to court in case that is finally dismissed due to his heroics and loses his commercial pilots license but lives happily ever after.” Instead it seems like a soap opera.

114 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:51:50pm

re: #111 Vicious Babushka

So what’s the spoiler? He gets saved by Jesus or something?

They would never show this movie on an airplane.

== FLIGHT - SPOILER ==

115 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 7:59:21pm

re: #114 Gus

== FLIGHT - SPOILER ==

So glad I saved 1 hour and 18 minutes of my life from watching that.

116 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:00:31pm

What’s a GOOD movie I can watch?

117 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:03:37pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

What’s a GOOD movie I can watch?

Depends on your viewing options.

The Thing is still on Netflix.

118 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:05:41pm

I’m not into sci-fi. I like thrillers, mysteries, action, and comedy. I think I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

119 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:07:21pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

I’m not into sci-fi. I like thrillers, mysteries, action, and comedy. I think I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

Ever seen Snatch?

120 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:08:29pm

re: #119 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ever seen Snatch?

It’s on my netflix queue, but kinda low in priority.

121 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:09:06pm

re: #120 Vicious Babushka

It’s on my netflix queue, but kinda low in priority.

Its worth it.

122 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:09:53pm

re: #121 Kragar (Antichrist )

Its worth it.

OK, it’s on Instant watch. Think I’ll give it a view.

123 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:14:15pm

Yikes. Talk about lame. All these fake accounts are already suspended.

124 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:14:51pm

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

What’s a GOOD movie I can watch?

TCM is showing The Cain Mutiny with Humphrey Bogart in 45 minutes.

:)

125 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:16:14pm

I want to watch True Grit and the latest Bond movie. That’s about all I can think of.

126 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:19:16pm

re: #121 Kragar (Antichrist )

Its worth it.

Definitely:

127 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:20:16pm

re: #95 Kragar (Antichrist )

Video of tiny, squeaking frog drives dogs crazy

My dog has authorized me to state for the record that he does not give a shit about frog noises. They do not intrigue, amuse, confuse, unsettle, or excite him in any appreciable way.

He adds that he wishes people would quit asking him who’s a good boy, because it’s already been established that HE is a good boy, and this fact is invariably confirmed after several repetitions of the question.

128 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:21:55pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

I’m not into sci-fi. I like thrillers, mysteries, action, and comedy. I think I will watch “The Big Lebowski” again.

“Best in Show” is a must-see.

129 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:28:28pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Definitely:

[Embedded content]

Ye lik digz?

130 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:31:36pm

re: #129 Kragar (Antichrist )

Ye lik digz?

Should I call you Bullet? Tony?

131 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 8:36:49pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Should I call you Bullet? Tony?

You can call me Susan if it makes you happy.

132 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:15:37pm
133 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:24:15pm

Horrible.

134 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:29:44pm

re: #132 Gus

Jesus, my mother’s family lives in Pulaski County. I’ll have to call tomorrow and ask if it was anybody they know.

135 TedStriker  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:32:30pm

re: #132 Gus

Good god, that’s bad.

136 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:32:38pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Jesus, my mother’s family lives in Pulaski County. I’ll have to call tomorrow and ask if it was anybody they know.

What a horrible tragedy.

137 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:40:30pm

re: #136 Gus

What a horrible tragedy.

It is, which is exactly why not only is one of the cardinal rules of gun safety that you treat every gun as if it’s loaded, you don’t leave a loaded gun just lying around.

138 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:42:50pm

Dozens arrested after fight outside Ford City Mall

February 23, 2013 (CHICAGO) (WLS) — More than a dozen young people have been arrested after an event gets out of hand outside Ford City Mall.

There were Chicago police officers inside the mall, but witnesses say they were simply outnumbered.

Signs were thrown, vehicles were damaged in the parking lot, as many as 20 people were arrested and two people were treated for minor injuries.

A video posted on YouTube shows a fight outside Ford City Mall, just part of the chaos that ensued.

“It’s like a mob scene, just jumping on cars, breaking windows,” said witness Moses Khativ.

139 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:53:34pm

WTF?

140 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 9:55:50pm

DERP

YAHOO! PROPRIETARY AND CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION — DO NOT FORWARD

Yahoos,

Over the past few months, we have introduced a number of great benefits and tools to make us more productive, efficient and fun. With the introduction of initiatives like FYI, Goals and PB&J, we want everyone to participate in our culture and contribute to the positive momentum. From Sunnyvale to Santa Monica, Bangalore to Beijing — I think we can all feel the energy and buzz in our offices.

To become the absolute best place to work, communication and collaboration will be important, so we need to be working side-by-side. That is why it is critical that we are all present in our offices. Some of the best decisions and insights come from hallway and cafeteria discussions, meeting new people, and impromptu team meetings. Speed and quality are often sacrificed when we work from home. We need to be one Yahoo!, and that starts with physically being together.

Beginning in June, we’re asking all employees with work-from-home arrangements to work in Yahoo! offices. If this impacts you, your management has already been in touch with next steps. And, for the rest of us who occasionally have to stay home for the cable guy, please use your best judgment in the spirit of collaboration. Being a Yahoo isn’t just about your day-to-day job, it is about the interactions and experiences that are only possible in our offices.

Thanks to all of you, we’ve already made remarkable progress as a company — and the best is yet to come.

Jackie

141 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:03:34pm

Out of consideration for the privacy of minors, I don’t want to post the tweet, but it was Tweet of the Day for me.

Image: BDzeIgcCEAAGxtJ.jpg

my brother eats toast fortified with vitamin rainbow.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:04:08pm

re: #139 Gus

WTF?

That is getting more bizarre by the day.

143 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:05:01pm

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

That is getting more bizarre by the day.

Might be a manslaughter case. Haven’t seen anything yet.

144 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:06:53pm

re: #140 Gus

DERP

Shorter message: “We want to make it easier for us to cut your hours while expecting the same or greater productivity.”

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:07:14pm

re: #143 Gus

Might be a manslaughter case. Haven’t seen anything yet.

Cyclist?

146 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:07:43pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Cyclist?

Or a motorcycle.

147 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:11:07pm

re: #138 NJDhockeyfan

Dozens arrested after fight outside Ford City Mall

For a group called Mindless Behavior? Seems appropriate. I had to Google. Found one video with 35 million views. Apparently a boy band that’s been around since 2008. Can’t blame them of course.

148 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:14:00pm

re: #145 wrenchwench

Cyclist?

This already spreading like wildfire.

149 wrenchwench  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:19:32pm

re: #148 Gus

This already spreading like wildfire.

My twitter feed is spreading like the stinky smoulder after you blow out a candle. I think I’ll go to bed.

In case Stanley is looking:

Image: hAF0ED33C.jpg

Later, lizards.

150 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:21:59pm

To date I’ve had to Google: Oscar Pistorious, Mindless Behavior, One Direction, Gangham Style, Justin Bieber, Honey Boo Boo… I like that fact.

151 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:30:52pm

Lisa Lampanelli, Lena Dunham. Never watched Glee. Found out about Twilight in 2011. Seriously goofy show. I’ve only been watching The Office from time to time. The US version. Found the British version to be incredibly boring. Not a fan of Ricky Gervais. I was following him for a while on Twitter and found him to be incredibly narcissistic. Never watched Jersey Shore. No TV. No pain.

152 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:31:34pm

Nickleback. Never heard of them either.

153 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:33:54pm

I remember Lena Dunham was in some political ad. But I didn’t know she was a famous actress. //

154 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:38:20pm

Then again. A lot of people spend a dollar a day, at least, for a glass of water that comes in a plastic bottle that they recycle. The same people that complain about plastic waste. If they recycle. Most people still don’t. On the road and it goes into the trash.

155 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:44:54pm

Derp.

156 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:45:56pm

Maybe it’s me but I can’t compare your average gun owner to Oscar Pistorius who might be out of his mind and all amped out on steroids.

157 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 10:56:50pm

Pistorius allegedly tried to manipulate evidence after a previous incident in which his gun was accidentally fired at a restaurant.

[Link: worldnews.nbcnews.com…]

Dude was a fucking idiot already.

158 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:02:53pm

This is funny.

The Stop the Killer Robots campaign will be launched in April at the House of Commons and includes many of the groups that successfully campaigned to have international action taken against cluster bombs and landmines. They hope to get a similar global treaty against autonomous weapons.

“These things are not science fiction; they are well into development,” said Sharkey. “The research wing of the Pentagon in the US is working on the X47B which has supersonic twists and turns with a G-force that no human being could manage, a craft which would take autonomous armed combat anywhere in the planet.

From Killer robots must be stopped, say campaigners.

The X-47B is just another CUAV. It has a range of 2,100 NM. Technically it can’t go anywhere “in the planet” without refueling.

159 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:04:47pm

Good times.

160 freetoken  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:10:00pm

This one goes out to another of our glorious ancestors - Estrid of the Obotrites:

161 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:16:23pm

Jesus H Christ. People actually think the X-47B is an automated killing machine. They’re calling it an autonomous drone. The autonomous part is just the flight path. It’s like autopilot. It’s not a computer that has a mind of its own that will be sent aloft and go out and kill things like a robot deciding which targets to choose on its own autonomously.

162 Targetpractice  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:19:45pm

re: #161 Gus

Jesus H Christ. People actually think the X-47B is an automated killing machine. They’re calling it an autonomous drone. The autonomous part is just the flight path. It’s like autopilot. It’s not a computer that has a mind of its own that will be sent aloft and go out and kill things like a robot deciding which targets to choose on its own autonomously.

At least not til Skynet is brought online.

//

163 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:20:44pm

re: #161 Gus

Jesus H Christ. People actually think the X-47B is an automated killing machine. They’re calling it an autonomous drone. The autonomous part is just the flight path. It’s like autopilot. It’s not a computer that has a mind of its own that will be sent aloft and go out and kill things like a robot deciding which targets to choose on its own autonomously.

You’re forgetting one key factor.

These people are fucking morons.

164 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:21:58pm

Killer Robot.

165 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:26:08pm
166 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:26:17pm

re: #163 Kragar (Antichrist )

You’re forgetting one key factor.

These people are fucking morons.

So freaking frustrating at times. If you send off an X-47B on an automated mission it’s no different than when Bill Clinton was firing off cruise missiles to some aspirin plant in Africa. That’s a human decision. Autonomous would imply an intelligent system that decides the targets on its own.

167 Varek Raith  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:28:30pm

re: #166 Gus

So freaking frustrating at times. If you send off an X-47B on an automated mission it’s no different than when Bill Clinton was firing off cruise missiles to some aspirin plant in Africa. That’s a human decision. Autonomous would imply an intelligent system that decides the targets on its own.

Yep, and that’s where I would draw the line on drones. Not until then.

168 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:31:12pm

re: #167 Varek Raith

Yep, and that’s where I would draw the line on drones. Not until then.

Same here.

169 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:39:30pm

“First flight represents the compilation of numerous tests to validate the airworthiness of the aircraft, and the robustness and reliability of the software that allows it to operate as an autonomous system and eventually have the ability to take off and land aboard an aircraft carrier,” said Capt. Jaime Engdahl, the Navy’s UCAS-D program manager.

X-47B takes to skies for first time

That’s the only automated part. It’s no different than current missile systems. I have no doubt that it would be monitored. But as it stands it would have to be programmed to the target. Say for like a Khartoum arms factory that is sending weapons to destroy Israel.

171 Gus  Sat, Feb 23, 2013 11:54:31pm
172 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:06:23am
173 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:21:13am

Oscar Sunday!

174 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:25:52am

re: #2 Charles Johnson[Link: www.goodreads.com…]

All Watched Over By Machines Of Loving Grace
by Richard Brautigan

I like to think (and
the sooner the better!)
of a cybernetic meadow
where mammals and computers
live together in mutually
programming harmony
like pure water
touching clear sky.

I like to think
(right now, please!)
of a cybernetic forest
filled with pines and electronics
where deer stroll peacefully
past computers
as if they were flowers
with spinning blossoms.

I like to think
(it has to be!)
of a cybernetic ecology
where we are free of our labors
and joined back to nature,
returned to our mammal
brothers and sisters,
and all watched over
by machines of loving grace.

175 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:47:34am

Snowy Sunday morning here in Germany. Not enough to go sledding, but not enough to hinder driving about, either. And it looks nice on the hilsides.

176 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:55:57am

re: #175 Sol Berdinowitz

Snowy Sunday morning here in Germany. Not enough to go sledding, but not enough to hinder driving about, either. And it looks nice on the hilsides.

Stars and Moon ~

177 freetoken  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:25:06am

Still remembering our dead ancestors, this one goes out to my (allegedly) 37th great grandfather (and also supposedly QEII’s 32nd great grandfather) Ranulf I of Aquitaine, which only shows that given enough time anybody can generate descendants both obscure and famous:

178 prairiefire  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 1:30:22am

re: #177 freetoken

You get an Aquitaine?!!? I just found my first Rev. War veteran. Please do not tell me you are related to Eleanor.

179 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:00:28am

re: #167 Varek Raith

Yep, and that’s where I would draw the line on drones. Not until then.

Okay, but it bears considering what you’re talking about is only a trivial software update away. How would you even know when it’s been made? The capability already exists in Samsung’s robotic sentry guns to automatically track, classify and engage targets. The fact that there’s currently a man in the loop authorization protocol in no way makes this an intrinsic technical requirement.

180 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:15:05am

re: #170 Gus

Boeing EA-18G Growler Completes Combat Debut HD

[Embedded content]

One of John McCain’s passion projects right there. He really came to like the idea of using a fighter type to replace the old EA6 Prowler and was instumental in securing the funding for the Growler program.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:21:00am

re: #163 Kragar (Antichrist )

You’re forgetting one key factor.

These people are fucking morons.

Morons who are being whipped into a lather by fringe media figures who want to keep their webhit counts high and ‘build their buzz’. They don’t have problem spreading this kind of BS to do it.

But what’s worse is when this kind of stuff makes one of its periodic leaps onto one of the news networks. Because that’s when it’ll jump to a whole new level of insanity.

182 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:26:56am

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Okay, but it bears considering what you’re talking about is only a trivial software update away. How would you even know when it’s been made? The capability already exists in Samsung’s robotic sentry guns to automatically track, classify and engage targets. The fact that there’s currently a man in the loop authorization protocol in no way makes this an intrinsic technical requirement.

Simple really, a person should always pull the trigger.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:31:40am

re: #182 Varek Raith

Simple really, a person should always pull the trigger.

Not always practical, given the limits of the data link. There are some cases, such as an ECM heavy environment, where you might well need to simply assign a unit its target and then let it act on its own because you can’t control it near its target.

184 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:39:15am

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Think about a simple hypothetical. We send an automated XB 47 on a ground attack mission against a specific target, but along the way it is engaged by an air defense radar system. It’s an expensive platform and sooner or later as we invest more and more money into expanding the capabilities of unmanned systems it’s going to be very tempting to give them the ability to react defensively to events in their environment. So let’s say we’ve armed it with anti radiation missiles and given it permission to automatically target hostile ground radar installations that engage it along the way. This might seem reasonable at first blush, except this radar system is located near a school, hospital or other civilian target.

We deal inexpertly enough with collateral damage and consequences when it’s inflicted by human judgement calls. So again, considering the trivial nature of the software updates necessary, the cost of the systems at risk and political fallout potential, will we even be allowed to know when machines are allowed to autonomously decide upon specific use of force actions?

re: #182 Varek Raith

Simple really, a person should always pull the trigger.

People often say simple to describe something riddled with intrinsic nuance simplistically. How exactly will you know what should be happening is what’s actually happening, faith?

In the sense of pure technological capability we crossed this line a long time ago with the Mark 60 CAPTOR sea mines that can be set to passively listen for enemy ship signatures and then launch torpedoes on their own authority.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 2:54:03am

re: #184 goddamnedfrank

Think about a simple hypothetical. We send an automated XB 47 on a ground attack mission against a specific target, but along the way it is engaged by an air defense radar system. It’s an expensive platform and sooner or later as we invest more and more money into expanding the capabilities of unmanned systems it’s going to be very tempting to give them the ability to react defensively to events in their environment. So let’s say we’ve armed it with anti radiation missiles and given it permission to automatically target hostile ground radar installations that engage it along the way. This might seem reasonable at first blush, except this radar system is located near a school, hospital or other civilian target.

We deal inexpertly enough with collateral damage and consequences when it’s inflicted by human judgement calls. So again, considering the trivial nature of the software updates necessary, the cost of the systems at risk and political fallout potential, will we even be allowed to know when machines are allowed to autonomously decide upon specific use of force actions?

The answer to the question of the bolded portion is in my mind to wave it off. It is the enemy’s fault for placing a military system near civilians like that, and thus the blame for whatever happens is on them.

186 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:00:24am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

The answer to the question of the bolded portion is in my mind to wave it off. It is the enemy’s fault for placing a military system near civilians like that, and thus the blame for whatever happens is on them.

I’m not sure that’s a good philosophy.

187 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:02:48am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

The answer to the question of the bolded portion is in my mind to wave it off. It is the enemy’s fault for placing a military system near civilians like that, and thus the blame for whatever happens is on them.

But this is just more simplism. What if the hostile radar doesn’t belong to a current enemy but drags a neutral third party into the conflict near a disputed border?

There’s a reason we want humans making these kinds of decisions, because they’re actually self aware. Consequences often have a way of quickly outstripping whatever rationale ostensibly justified the decision or event creating them.

188 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:11:58am

re: #187 goddamnedfrank

There’s a reason we want humans making these kinds of decisions, because they’re actually self aware.

The main reason, in my opinion, is that of “who takes responsiblity for the decisions that led to these actions?”

And it is a grat delusion of human decision making that we make decisions based on reason. We often make gut reactions and then retroactively justify these actions in our mind to make it seem as if they were rational.

189 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:26:59am

re: #186 Shvaughn

I’m not sure that’s a good philosophy.

It’s accepted under international military law. Anti-radiation missiles aren’t dumb bombs, and can be set to self destruct if they are unable to locate the target they were launched at.

190 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 3:34:05am

You all clearly haven’t read enough sci-fi.
Sad.
/

191 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 4:57:41am

Good Morning.

192 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:01:58am

re: #191 PhillyPretzel

Good Morning.

Hello, hello. What’s new in the City of Brotherly Love?

193 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:04:17am

re: #192 Dark_Falcon

Not much. Very local news someone punched out a small window in my car. They tried to pull back the rear seat. I taped up the window but I have a little more work to do.

194 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:10:03am

re: #193 PhillyPretzel

Not much. Very local news someone punched out a small window in my car. They tried to pull back the rear seat. I taped up the window but I have a little more work to do.

Why the Hell did they do that? Sheer lunacy, or looking for drugs?

195 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:11:51am

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Probably the latter.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:20:14am

Good morning lizards!

I fell asleep watching The Cain Mutiny on TCM and woke up to The Guns Of Navarone. Must mean its going to be a good day.

197 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:23:31am

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I fell asleep watching The Cain Mutiny on TCM and woke up to The Guns Of Navarone. Must mean its going to be a good day.

Only if that means you’ve got logic artillery to rain down on the forces of liberalism today! ;)

198 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:31:01am

re: #197 Dark_Falcon

Only if that means you’ve got logic artillery to rain down on the forces of liberalism today! ;)

Heh. My family is coming back from Richmond today and one of her friends at work is visiting this afternoon to see if they want to buy our house. I need to clean the fuck out of the house after drinking a few cups of coffee.

199 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:32:11am

re: #198 NJDhockeyfan

Heh. My family is coming back from Richmond today and one of her friends at work is visiting this afternoon to see if they want to buy our house. I need to clean the fuck out of the house after drinking a few cups of coffee.

Where would you end up living in that scenario?

200 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:35:25am

re: #199 Dark_Falcon

Where would you end up living in that scenario?

Nashville, baby. It’s taken many years but I finally got my wife to want to move there. I’ve been done with Virginia a long time.

201 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:38:56am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Nashville, baby. It’s taken many years but I finally got my wife to want to move there. I’ve been done with Virginia a long time.

Didn’t figure you for a Predators fan, though. [ducks]

202 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:40:52am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Nashville, baby. It’s taken many years but I finally got my wife to want to move there. I’ve been done with Virginia a long time.

Nashville is a great city. It’s actually well-run, which is a rarity, the combination of the music scene and the universities give it a great culture, and it’s got very progressive politics.

203 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:42:06am

Good morning Lizardia! Today is the festival of Purim, which has been described as “A Two-Day Halloween Where Drinking is Mandatory!”

I think the Book of Esther would make a kick-ass movie, if done in the style of Mel Brooks or the Coen Brothers. Not that totally lame-ass version done a couple of years ago that had Peter O’Toole and the guy who played “Gimli” from Lord of the Rings. That one sucked.

Sarah Silverman should play Queen Esther. I don’t like Silverman too much, but I do think she’d make a perfect Queen Esther. For Haman, maybe Ahmadinejad would like to launch a Hollywood career.

204 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:43:26am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

Good morning Lizardia! Today is the festival of Purim, which has been described as “A Two-Day Halloween Where Drinking is Mandatory!”

I think the Book of Esther would make a kick-ass movie, if done in the style of Mel Brooks or the Coen Brothers. Not that totally lame-ass version done a couple of years ago that had Peter O’Toole and the guy who played “Gimli” from Lord of the Rings. That one sucked.

Sarah Silverman should play Queen Esther. I don’t like Silverman too much, but I do think she’d make a perfect Queen Esther. For Haman, maybe Ahmadinejad would like to launch a Hollywood career.

Only if the movie actually features the hanging of that asshat.

205 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:44:21am

Who in Hollywood looks like Dinnerjacket?

206 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:46:23am

re: #205 Vicious Babushka

Who in Hollywood looks like Dinnerjacket?

Is the chimpanzee from Project X still alive? Because he’d be perfect of the role.

207 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:47:22am

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Is the chimpanzee from Project X still alive? Because he’d be perfect of the role.

Maybe they can make a CGI King Kong mini-me.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:48:22am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

Didn’t figure you for a Predators fan, though. [ducks]

I get to go to NHL and NFL games out there. All we have here is UVA games.

209 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:50:05am

re: #203 Vicious Babushka

DJ Khaled would make a good Haman, too.

210 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:52:58am

re: #202 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Nashville is a great city. It’s actually well-run, which is a rarity, the combination of the music scene and the universities give it a great culture, and it’s got very progressive politics.

I lived in Hendersonville in the early 70s. It was mostly farmland back then. I great place to grow up as a kid. I went from city life in NJ to country life. Now the whole Hendersonville area is houses and shopping centers.

I have lots of family still there and my kids are excited about moving out there.

211 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 5:56:40am

This is cool.

British academic discovers a 500-year-old arrest warrant for Machiavelli

A British academic stumbled across a rare find while combing through historical archives in Florence: an arrest warrant for the famous Italian writer and strategist Niccolò Machiavelli, dated to 1513 and subsequently forgotten.

“When I saw it I knew exactly what it was and it was pretty exciting,” said Manchester University professor Stephen Milner in a university press release.

“When you realize this document marked the fall from grace of one the world’s most influential political writers, it’s quite a feeling.”

The academic had been looking through town criers proclamations when he stumbled upon the document, says the Independent, as well as documents securing the pay of the horsemen who hunted for the political writer in Florence.

212 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:00:06am

re: #211 NJDhockeyfan

This is cool.

British academic discovers a 500-year-old arrest warrant for Machiavelli

Obdi, your thoughts?

213 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:07:39am

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

Obdi, your thoughts?

Just my usual: I think The Prince was satire or an intentionally flawed work, and I’m always annoyed when people don’t mention that it probably was. The facts of the story are accurate— Machiavelli was tortured and imprisoned by the Medici.

He was a very pro-republican (old meaning) author and the likelihood of The Prince just being a cynical attempt to get back in favor is low.

214 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:11:25am

Basically, if you were a Medici tyrant and followed the advice of The Prince, you would have been deposed in a popular revolt.

215 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:22:25am

re: #214 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Basically, if you were a Medici tyrant and followed the advice of The Prince, you would have been deposed in a popular revolt.

I would hear more. May I ask you to elaborate?

216 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:23:18am

Egyptians put behind bars for shaking it ‘Harlem-style’ in their undies

Egyptian police said on Saturday that they had arrested four students who filmed themselves publicly dancing to the song “Harlem Shake” in their underwear, news agency AFP reported.

“Harlem Shake”, the latest dance craze has gripped the world, with everyone from children to adults sharing wacky videos of them doing the dance, on YouTube.

According to a police officer: “The four pharmaceutical students shocked residents of a middle class Cairo neighborhood when they removed most of their clothes and videotaped themselves performing the pelvis-thrusting dance.”

“The hostile audience tried to assault the students, who are accused of committing “a scandalous act,” the official added.

Egypt has strict public indecency laws.

They have problems with pelvis trusting? Wait till they see some old Elvis videos.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:24:15am

re: #216 NJDhockeyfan

Egyptians put behind bars for shaking it ‘Harlem-style’ in their undies

They have problems with pelvis trusting? Wait till they see some old Elvis videos.

Killgore posted this yesterday morning.

218 ninja cat  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:30:50am

re: #196 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I fell asleep watching The Cain Mutiny on TCM and woke up to The Guns Of Navarone. Must mean its going to be a good day.

TCM is continuing on with The Bridge on River Kwai and then into Lawrence of Arabia. Maybe I can slot some cleaning into the commercial breaks; with 7 hours of movie I should have enough.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:33:26am

re: #218 ninja cat

TCM is continuing on with The Bridge on River Kwai and then into Lawrence of Arabia. Maybe I can slot some cleaning into the commercial breaks; with 7 hours of movie I should have enough.

Forget the cleaning. TCM has no commercials.

220 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:35:50am

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I would hear more. May I ask you to elaborate?

Simply put, among other things, he advises that a prince live in the city he governs, arm the citizens, and he advises harshness over liberality to the extent that that armed citizenry would rebel. The successful ‘princes’ of the time tended to be the bread-and-circuses type who were very liberal with their citizens and didn’t put many restrictions on civil liberties (by the standards of the time) and Machiavelli advises the opposite. He also advises being harsh and cruel to your own military men, which would heighten the chances that the military would join in the revolt.

221 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:36:24am

re: #218 ninja cat

You should have time to dust under the bed during the “Lawrence of Arabia gets homoerotically whipped by the Turks” sequence.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:38:04am

re: #220 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Simply put, among other things, he advises that a prince live in the city he governs, arm the citizens, and he advises harshness over liberality to the extent that that armed citizenry would rebel. The successful ‘princes’ of the time tended to be the bread-and-circuses type who were very liberal with their citizens and didn’t put many restrictions on civil liberties (by the standards of the time) and Machiavelli advises the opposite. He also advises being harsh and cruel to your own military men, which would heighten the chances that the military would join in the revolt.

Thank You.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:38:42am

re: #221 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

You should have time to dust under the bed during the “Lawrence of Arabia gets homoerotically whipped by the Turks” sequence.

That scene is just right for dressing up in a maid’s uniform and doing a bit of “light housekeeping”, yes…

/

224 ninja cat  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:38:51am

re: #221 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The last time I attempted that I ended up with enough cat fur to outfit 2.5 cats. They should be bald by now.

225 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:43:55am

re: #220 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Simply put, among other things, he advises that a prince live in the city he governs, arm the citizens, and he advises harshness over liberality to the extent that that armed citizenry would rebel. The successful ‘princes’ of the time tended to be the bread-and-circuses type who were very liberal with their citizens and didn’t put many restrictions on civil liberties (by the standards of the time) and Machiavelli advises the opposite. He also advises being harsh and cruel to your own military men, which would heighten the chances that the military would join in the revolt.

(On-topic butting in) This is a neat website I’ve pimped before—a really well-done biography of Mac in ‘graphic novel’ format:

[Link: donmacdonald.com…]

‘Morning, all.

226 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:46:29am

Supporters mark Manning’s 1000th day in prison

FORT LEAVENWORTH, Ks. — Supporters of the man arrested for leaking classified government documents held rallies across the globe Saturday. They are criticizing what they call his unjust persecution on the 1000th day of his time in prison without a trial.

One demonstration was held in front of the entrance to Fort Leavenworth. It is one of 40 international demonstrations, all in support of Pfc. Bradley Manning.

“He’s a truth teller and were here to support Bradley and anyone willing to tell the truth about what this government is doing,” said Nicholas Battles, a supporter.

…However, the group has also seen its share of opposition. Some drivers of the cars passing by the demonstration Saturday yelled “Go home!” And some opponents have described Manning as a traitor.

Happy anniversary douche!

227 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:48:59am

re: #226 NJDhockeyfan

Supporters mark Manning’s 1000th day in prison

Happy anniversary douche!

Indeed. Though it does seem strange that they can’t seem to actually get the trial going.

228 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:49:27am

re: #202 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

“Nashville, baby. It’s taken many years but I finally got my wife to want to move there. I’ve been done with Virginia a long time.”

Nashville is a great city. It’s actually well-run, which is a rarity, the combination of the music scene and the universities give it a great culture, and it’s got very progressive politics.

And Tennessee (with all its derpretude, both past & present) has a Republican governor who to date has managed to keep the present day derpretude down to a low level. 

229 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:50:56am

re: #228 BeenHereAwhile

And Tennessee (with all its derpretude, both past & present) has a Republican governor who to date has managed to keep the present day derpretude down to a low level. 

Industrial-grade derpitude scares away the tourists.

230 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:51:39am

Bird.

231 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:55:33am

I should be sleeping. Instead I was shaken awake by a cat stalking a bird that’s still in the house. I’d catch, and release, but hey. Good times.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:55:33am

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. Though it does seem strange that they can’t seem to actually get the trial going.

They have had lots of investigating to do. His court martial trial is scheduled for this June.

233 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:57:34am

Good morning all!
I can’t wait for St. Pat’s day, so corned beef and cabbage is already in the crock pot. All of the recipes called for an addition of a can of beer, that aint gonna happen.

My in laws have a week left in Florida, and have to decided to adopt an 8-week old mutt puppy. Kinda looks like the President’s dog. I can’t wait for the combined might of my 150 lbs of stupid and the puppy to collide.

Me? after a week of suffering from a slowly worsening cold, I feel better today. Yesterday I tuned my chainsaw and cleaned the ethanol gum outta the carb, I am gonna tackle the leaner I got during Irene. Widowmaker I think they call them, wish me luck!

234 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 6:59:53am

re: #231 Gus

I should be sleeping. Instead I was shaken awake by a cat stalking a bird that’s still in the house. I’d catch, and release, but hey. Good times.

Best you get the bird out if you can. Because otherwise the cat is going to shred it for fun.

235 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:01:08am

Mornin’ everyone.

236 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:04am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

Best you get the bird out if you can. Because otherwise the cat is going to shred it for fun.

Would if I could. It’s currently on the top trim of a door. Crazy cat is cackling at it.

237 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:16am

re: #228 BeenHereAwhile

And Tennessee (with all its derpretude, both past & present) has a Republican governor who to date has managed to keep the present day derpretude down to a low level. 

That’s no reason to move there. Besides family there is plenty of great food, lots of museums to take the kids to, pro sports teams in the area, two huge lakes and large rivers for great fishing, the cost of living is better, and everyone out there is just as nice as can be. I can’t find a single negative about it.

238 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:26am

re: #231 Gus

I should be sleeping. Instead I was shaken awake by a cat stalking a bird that’s still in the house. I’d catch, and release, but hey. Good times.

Bflat was never happier than when he was killing something. The bird’s in the cat’s domain. Leave a door open so he has an exit, but let the cat have his day.

239 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:26am

re: #236 Gus

Would if I could. It’s currently on the top trim of a door. Crazy cat is cackling at it.

Put the cat out.

240 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:36am

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

They have had lots of investigating to do. His court martial trial is scheduled for this June.

Wait. This is all still pre-trial?

241 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:57am

re: #236 Gus

Would if I could. It’s currently on the top trim of a door. Crazy cat is cackling at it.

The cat simply wants to do what it was born to do. Unfortunately for the bird, the cat was born to kill.

242 CuriousLurker  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:02:57am

re: #234 Dark_Falcon

Best you get the bird out if you can. Because otherwise the cat is going to shred it for fun.

And possibly drop off the “gift” 12 inches from his face so he’ll be sure to see it when he wakes up. One of my cats did that with a mouse once. *grimace*

243 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:03:48am

re: #236 Gus

Would if I could. It’s currently on the top trim of a door. Crazy cat is cackling at it.

Get the shotgun out!

244 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:04:24am

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

That’s no reason to move there. Besides family there is plenty of great food, lots of museums to take the kids to, pro sports teams in the area, two huge lakes and large rivers for great fishing, the cost of living is better, and everyone out there is just as nice as can be. I can’t find a single negative about it.

And if you get there before June you’ll have a couple of nice little music festivals to enjoy…one of which, Bonnaroo, goes a bit beyond ‘little.’

245 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:05:07am

re: #236 Gus

Don’t worry the cat always fails, I’ve seen it in cartoons so it must be true!

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:06:52am

re: #245 Flounder

Don’t worry the cat always fails, I’ve seen it in cartoons so it must be true!

Well, not always:

247 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:06:54am

re: #239 Decatur Deb

Put the cat out.

Leg in cast. Snowing outside. The bird was at hands reach but just barely. I tried communicating to it in English but it ignored me. :D

248 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:07:53am

re: #247 Gus

Leg in cast. Snowing outside. The bird was at hands reach but just barely. I tried communicating to it in English but it ignored me. :D

Try speaking in Swahili.

249 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:08:27am

re: #244 darthstar

And if you get there before June you’ll have a couple of nice little music festivals to enjoy…one of which, Bonnaroo, goes a bit beyond ‘little.’

Generally there are lots of beer and good food at those festivals along with the great music. How could I resist that?

250 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:08:40am

re: #247 Gus

Put your finger out!

251 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:09:14am

re: #247 Gus

Leg in cast. Snowing outside. The bird was at hands reach but just barely. I tried communicating to it in English but it ignored me. :D

1. Laundry basket over cat.

2. Pillowcase lobbed at bird.

3. ???

4. Peace and quiet.

252 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:09:38am

re: #250 Flounder

Put your finger out!

The middle finger? But yeah, I tried that trick too.

253 Varek Raith  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:10:12am

re: #251 Decatur Deb

1. Laundry basket over cat.

2. Pillowcase lobbed at bird.

3. ???

4. Peace and quiet.

5. Profit!!!

254 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:10:34am

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

That’s no reason to move there. Besides family there is plenty of great food, lots of museums to take the kids to, pro sports teams in the area, two huge lakes and large rivers for great fishing, the cost of living is better, and everyone out there is just as nice as can be. I can’t find a single negative about it.

Are the trees the right height?

255 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:10:56am

re: #247 Gus

Leg in cast. Snowing outside. The bird was at hands reach but just barely. I tried communicating to it in English but it ignored me. :D

You know a bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

(Not sure how that is relevant but you made me think of it)

256 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:13:15am

Touré never responded to me. Bummer. He’s such an intellectual giant. :D

257 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:14:28am

re: #237 NJDhockeyfan

That’s no reason to move there. Besides family there is plenty of great food, lots of museums to take the kids to, pro sports teams in the area, two huge lakes and large rivers for great fishing, the cost of living is better, and everyone out there is just as nice as can be. I can’t find a single negative about it.

How ‘bout “Mofos are crazier than Alabama”?

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com…]

258 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:16:37am

re: #240 Gus

Wait. This is all still pre-trial?

Yes.

Part of the pre-trial was a review to see if some or all the confinement was unlawful. It was determined to be so and a bit over 100 days will be applied to the sentencing. In some ways I’m ok, with that, in others I think it should have been closer to 600 days and a couple of people in the system need reviewed and maybe removed.

I think Manning was a jerk who violated the law. At the same time I think a lot of excessive punitive action was done, violating both letter and spirit of our judicial system. I sort of get the impression that the agents of the government have only recently recalled that everything, not just the conviction and sentence, can get reviewed by the SCOTUS. It’s caused some sudden changes in behavior, not least is finally getting the trial process underway.

It’s another Roper situation. I hate them, but understand their necessity.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I’d cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned ‘round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man’s laws, not God’s! And if you cut them down, and you’re just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety’s sake!

259 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:17:37am

re: #254 Sol Berdinowitz

Are the trees the right height?

Well, in most places that depends on what trees you’re talking about. Most trees around Chicagoland are of moderate height, but we’ve still got a few Elm trees that are just plain huge. Not gigantic, of course; For gigantic you’ve got to head out to California.

260 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:22:13am

re: #258 kirkspencer

Yes.

Part of the pre-trial was a review to see if some or all the confinement was unlawful. It was determined to be so and a bit over 100 days will be applied to the sentencing. In some ways I’m ok, with that, in others I think it should have been closer to 600 days and a couple of people in the system need reviewed and maybe removed.

I think Manning was a jerk who violated the law. At the same time I think a lot of excessive punitive action was done, violating both letter and spirit of our judicial system. I sort of get the impression that the agents of the government have only recently recalled that everything, not just the conviction and sentence, can get reviewed by the SCOTUS. It’s caused some sudden changes in behavior, not least is finally getting the trial process underway.

It’s another Roper situation. I hate them, but understand their necessity.

Remember that he is not quite under “our” judicial system, but the UCMJ variant. SCOTUS has been traditionally shy about bumping into it. The joke would be that the DoD might screw around until he’s reviewed by a much more liberal mix of justices.

261 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:23:50am

re: #258 kirkspencer

Yeah, pretty much. I was always thinking 8 years. 15 years. Now it’s turned into yet another big government judicial photo-op. I wonder how many millions we’ve spent thus far. Then add up all the energy and money consumed by his supporters. Turns out, Bradley Manning has a huge carbon footprint.

262 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:23:58am

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

Well, in most places that depends on what trees you’re talking about. Most trees around Chicagoland are of moderate height, but we’ve still got a few Elm trees that are just plain huge. Not gigantic, of course; For gigantic you’ve got to head out Obdi’s way.

I’m in Manhattan.

263 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:24:30am

re: #262 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m in Manhattan.

Correction made. Sorry.

264 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:26:42am

It’s morning again.

you?

265 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:27:02am

re: #257 Decatur Deb

How ‘bout “Mofos are crazier than Alabama”?

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com…]

That doesn’t bother me. I’m sure I will run into people practicing Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. Nashville is a large area.

266 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:27:14am

Yeah, a tree grows in Brooklyn right?!

267 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:29:27am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

That doesn’t bother me. I’m sure I will run into people practicing Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. Nashville is a large area.

Certainly more liberal than Pulaski.

268 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:29:38am

Whaddya know. I did it.

269 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:30:02am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

That doesn’t bother me. I’m sure I will run into people practicing Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Confucianism, etc. Nashville is a large area.

I know a lot of people like the Nashville area. I’ve been there and if I didn’t have friends there to visit with, I don’t think I’d go back. Just too small for someone used to the big city.

270 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:30:21am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Certainly more liberal than Pulaski.

Vladimir?

271 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:30:36am

Caught the sucker and released it into the snowy landscape. Kitty’s mad at me now. :D

272 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:32:09am

re: #267 Decatur Deb

NY? great fishing there.

273 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:32:38am

re: #270 FemNaziBitch

Vladimir?

Little town down I65. Land of Milk and Honey. Birthplace of the Klan.

[Link: www.pulaski-tn.com…]

274 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:32:57am

re: #271 Gus

Caught the sucker and released it into the snowy landscape. Kitty’s mad at me now. :D

Make sure to propitiate the Feline Overlord with fresh meat, cat food may not be enough. If the cat stays mad, it may punish you while you sleep, such by knocking down something breakable.

What, you didn’t think they did that by accident, did you?

275 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:33:51am

re: #269 FemNaziBitch

I know a lot of people like the Nashville area. I’ve been there and if I didn’t have friends there to visit with, I don’t think I’d go back. Just too small for someone used to the big city.

Living in the middle of nowhere and having Charlottesville as the biggest city around here makes Nashville a pleasant place to move to. I prefer NYC or NJ but I’ve been vetoed on that idea.

276 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:34:40am

oh geez

The comments are the best

277 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:37:18am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

oh geez

So he’s had plenty of practice for what the next thirty years will bring.
//

278 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:38:58am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

Is her name Peg?!

279 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:42:33am

re: #277 darthstar

So he’s had plenty of practice for what the next thirty years will bring.
//

I’m reminded of the “Ritz Crackers” bit from Eddie Murphy.

280 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:43:43am

re: #271 Gus

Caught the sucker and released it into the snowy landscape. Kitty’s mad at me now. :D

You think the cat’s mad? That bird is going to go shit on your car for throwing him out in the snow.

281 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:45:57am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

oh geez

The comments are the best

This is the problem I have: if that is what they wanted and how they wanted to do it, then fine, I am glad they enjoyed it.

But to insist that their way is the only “right” way to do it is being judgemental and hypocritical.

But we are dealing with a Great American Tradition: namely that “freedom of religion” implies the right to impose your religious beliefs on others and judge them for their “failure” to live up to them.

282 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:48:09am

re: #281 Sol Berdinowitz

This is the problem I have: if that is what they wanted and how they wanted to do it, then fine, I am glad they enjoyed it.

But to insist that their way is the only “right” way to do it is being judgemental and hypocritical.

But we are dealing with a Great American Tradition: namely that “freedom of religion” implies the right to impose your religious beliefs on others and judge them for their “failure” to live up to them.

Gives me a strange sense of satisfaction. After all the times I thought this conservative ‘comic’ should get fucked, it finally happened.

283 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:49:08am

Update:Iran’s Revolutionary Guard denies drone capture

Iran’s powerful Revolutionary Guard is denying that it captured a foreign unmanned aircraft during a military exercise in southern Iran.

A spokesman for the Guard, Yasin Hasanali, told The Associated Press that the drone was actually being used during the drill as a supposed enemy aircraft.

284 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:50:07am

Nidal Hasan is still on trial? Seriously?

285 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:50:35am

re: #275 NJDhockeyfan

Check out the Ernest Tubb Record Store.

286 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:52:24am

re: #282 Decatur Deb

Gives me a strange sense of satisfaction. After all the times I thought this conservative ‘comic’ should get fucked, it finally happened.

Yunno, I had this old 60’s radical buddy who explained that the motto “free love” was misinterpreted: “free” is not an adjective, but a verb: liberate love from the constraints placed on it by society. Be free to give and share it as you see fit.

I that light, I am just as annoyed at people who promote promiscuity as I am on those who preach abstinence and chastity. It should be everyone’s personal decision.

And in light of that, I am all for giving young people all the information they need to make the decisions that are right for them.

287 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:53:44am

re: #276 FemNaziBitch

oh geez

The comments are the best

Steven Crowder got laid. And we still laugh at him.

288 Decatur Deb  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:54:10am

re: #286 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, I had this old 60’s radical buddy who explained that the motto “free love” was misinterpreted: “free” is not an adjective, but a verb: liberate love from the constraints placed on it by society. Be free to give and share it as you see fit.

I that light, I am just as annoyed at people who promote promiscuity as I am on those who preach abstinence and chastity. It should be everyone’s personal decision.

And in light of that, I am all for giving young people all the information they need to make the decisions that are right for them.

“When I was young, I believed in free love—it was the only kind I could afford.”
—Le Carre

289 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:55:02am

re: #281 Sol Berdinowitz

This is the problem I have: if that is what they wanted and how they wanted to do it, then fine, I am glad they enjoyed it.

But to insist that their way is the only “right” way to do it is being judgemental and hypocritical.

It’s just such a weird thing to be discussing. I don’t give a shit who he fucks or when he does it, as long as it’s all consenting adults. I don’t get why he gives a shit how other people fuck.

290 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:55:53am

re: #260 Decatur Deb

Remember that he is not quite under “our” judicial system, but the UCMJ variant. SCOTUS has been traditionally shy about bumping into it. The joke would be that the DoD might screw around until he’s reviewed by a much more liberal mix of justices.

Not so much shy as it’s a bit awkward. (Consider the Gitmo cases.)

You may know already but for the education of interested lizards: Court martials appeal to the appropriate service Court of Criminal Appeals (xCCA, ie ACCA, N-MCCA, AFCCA, and CGCCA) . Those can be appealed to the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces (CAAF). If the CAAF hears a mandatory review (such as death penalty), grants discretionary review, or grants relief the SCOTUS can hear an appeal. Otherwise it has to go through collateral review (such as habeas corpus).

Key point, by the way, is that while the xCCA boards are military, the five judges on the CAAF are all civilians who are appointed for fifteen year terms, which can be renewed. It happens that one of the judicial positions the Republicans have been refusing to confirm is a slot on the CAAF, so right now it’s a four-judge panel. We’ve got four more years before the next term ends.

291 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:56:05am

Seriously. Nidal Malik Hasan has yet to be sentenced.

292 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:56:28am

re: #286 Sol Berdinowitz

Yunno, I had this old 60’s radical buddy who explained that the motto “free love” was misinterpreted: “free” is not an adjective, but a verb: liberate love from the constraints placed on it by society. Be free to give and share it as you see fit.

I that light, I am just as annoyed at people who promote promiscuity as I am on those who preach abstinence and chastity. It should be everyone’s personal decision.

And in light of that, I am all for giving young people all the information they need to make the decisions that are right for them.

Exactly!

293 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:57:47am

The judges and lawyers probably milked at least 6 months trying to decide if he could keep his beard or not. Probably ran up a tab of 30 million for that. OK, that might be an exaggeration.

294 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:58:21am

re: #289 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s just such a weird thing to be discussing. I don’t give a shit who he fucks or when he does it, as long as it’s all consenting adults. I don’t get why he gives a shit how other people fuck.

Because that is what makes Fundamentalists so fundamentally f*cked: they do not believe in “consenting adults” or see the Pursuit of Happiness as being anything that does not interfere in other people’s PoH.

They see it, to quote Rick Santorum, as “the freedom to obey God’s will” , or rather, their narrow, bonheaded, highly selective and subjective interpretation of God’s will.

295 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 7:58:23am

re: #284 Gus

Nidal Hasan is still on trial? Seriously?

Yeah, these trials take forever but it’s not always the fault of the courts or prosecution. In Hassan’s case the defense has been asking for extensions, he’s dicking around with legal arguments about his beard, etc. I think the defense sometimes strings these things out because his confinement conditions are better now than the isolation in supermax he’d destined for. At least now he gets out all the time, gets driven to the court, gets to see people. Once the trial is over he’ll have nothing to do.

296 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:00:09am

After your guy’s are done reading about Crowder’s sex life, you can read the “recommended” NBC Declares War on Christians article.

297 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:02:08am

re: #293 Gus

The judges and lawyers probably milked at least 6 months trying to decide if he could keep his beard or not. Probably ran up a tab of 30 million for that. OK, that might be an exaggeration.

His lawyers have to abide by his wishes on the point, Gus, and the trial judge didn’t seem to want to rule on the matter, he wanted to pass that particular buck off to the relevant court of appeals.

298 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:02:41am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Yeah, these trials take forever but it’s not always the fault of the courts or prosecution. In Hassan’s case the defense has been asking for extensions, he’s dicking around with legal arguments about his beard, etc. I think the defense sometimes strings these things out because his confinement conditions are better now than the isolation in supermax he’d destined for. At least now he gets out all the time, gets driven to the court, gets to see people. Once the trial is over he’ll have nothing to do.

Gubernment.

299 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:03:24am

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Nah. This is yet another extended photo op. They’re all milking the system for what it’s worth.

300 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:03:27am
A few days before the SNL episode, NBC Sports blogger Rick Chandler wrote a scathing smear against a prominent Christian church in Dallas.

The First Baptist Church in Dallas had invited Tim Tebow to speak at an upcoming service. Chandler urged the outspoken Christian football player to reconsider.

Offending Christians is apparently what passes for entertainment these days.

CALL THE WAAAAAAAAAAMBULANCE

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:03:42am

re: #295 Killgore Trout

Yeah, these trials take forever but it’s not always the fault of the courts or prosecution. In Hassan’s case the defense has been asking for extensions, he’s dicking around with legal arguments about his beard, etc. I think the defense sometimes strings these things out because his confinement conditions are better now than the isolation in supermax he’d destined for. At least now he gets out all the time, gets driven to the court, gets to see people. Once the trial is over he’ll have nothing to do.

In his case, it may also be a hope that time will cloud the minds of those who would testify he isn’t nuts.

302 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:04:04am

re: #299 Gus

Nah. This is yet another extended photo op. They’re all milking the system for what it’s worth.

Prove it.

303 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:04:34am

re: #302 Dark_Falcon

Prove it.

Nope. :D

304 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:06:02am

re: #303 Gus

Nope. :D

A man after my own heart.

305 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:08:18am

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

A man after my own heart.

My ankle is a little swelled up now and I’m also looking at Twitter seeing people peeing in their pants about Bob Woodward. Good times.

306 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:08:41am

I clicked over to Current TV just to see what they’re up to these days. Top of the most popular articles list: 10 Similarities Between Conservative Republicans and Nazis
Seriously. I think the Al Jazeera takeover will be an improvement.

307 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:09:14am

Ugh…my SiL is flying out to visit us for the week and her flight just got canceled due to snow in Denver. The irony of course is she’s coming here to go skiing. We should just fly to Denver…where it’s fucking SNOWING!

Oh well…

308 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:10:14am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I clicked over to Current TV just to see what they’re up to these days. Top of the most popular articles list: 10 Similarities Between Conservative Republicans and Nazis
Seriously. I think the Al Jazeera takeover will be an improvement.

Oh, for crying out loud. So fucking stupid. I hate Current.

309 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:10:30am

re: #305 Gus

My ankle is a little swelled up now and I’m also looking at Twitter seeing people peeing in their pants about Bob Woodward. Good times.

What did he dig up this time?

310 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:11:03am

re: #308 Gus

Oh, for crying out loud. So fucking stupid. I hate Current.

Fascist!
/

311 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:11:33am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

That supposed “canvasser” sounds like the worst possible person to campaign for anybody. There are (and were) quite a few undecideds on the canvassing trail and they did not go for stridency.

312 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:11:52am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

What did he dig up this time?

The worst kept secret on earth.

313 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:12:50am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

What did he dig up this time?

He wrote an OPINION piece about the sequester. He “blamed” it on the president. People are freaking out. So much so the White House made a statement saying that he was WILLFULLY wrong. Whatever I suppose. The White House should have just ignored it.

314 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:13:53am

re: #308 Gus

Oh, for crying out loud. So fucking stupid. I hate Current.

Concur. Cheap Godwin’s Law violations like that appeal to no one save angry left wingers more interested in purity than results. That works for Fox News, but only because there are currently more “Angry Puritans” on the right than on the left. For Current, it’s just a FAIL.

315 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:15:38am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I stopped reading as soon as I got to the N word.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:16:56am

re: #313 Gus

He wrote an OPINION piece about the sequester. He “blamed” it on the president. People are freaking out. So much so the White House made a statement saying that he was WILLFULLY wrong. Whatever I suppose. The White House should have just ignored it.

Woodward has decades of experience in reporting and analyzing the presidency. The White House replied because than experience causes people in DC to take Woodward seriously. But to call him “willfully wrong” is to call him a liar, and that’s high risk strategy that could easily backfire on the president.

317 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:20:55am

re: #289 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s just such a weird thing to be discussing. I don’t give a shit who he fucks or when he does it, as long as it’s all consenting adults. I don’t get why he gives a shit how other people fuck.

It is a weird thing to be discussing, but if we don’t, we will lose the War on Women. Sex is an uneasy topic for most people, but it IS the issue, IMHO.

318 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:21:09am

I see Fox Nation is insinuating that teh gheys brought down the Catholic church

319 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:21:53am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I clicked over to Current TV just to see what they’re up to these days. Top of the most popular articles list: 10 Similarities Between Conservative Republicans and Nazis
Seriously. I think the Al Jazeera takeover will be an improvement.

Al Jazeera hosts a cleric with 60 million viewers that thinks this…

Support for Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust

In a statement which aired on Al-Jazeera TV on 28 January 2009 during the Gaza war, al-Qaradawi said the following regarding Adolf Hitler and the Holocaust:

“ Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the Jews people who would punish them for their corruption…The last punishment was carried out by [Adolf] Hitler. By means of all the things he did to them – even though they exaggerated this issue – he managed to put them in their place. This was divine punishment for them…Allah Willing, the next time will be at the hand of the believers.

320 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:21:55am

re: #318 dragonath

I see Fox Nation is insinuating that teh gheys brought down the Catholic church

heh, heh

Better than citing the pedophiles within the church, I guess.

*grr*

321 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:26:15am

re: #318 dragonath

I see Fox Nation is insinuating that teh gheys brought down the Catholic church

Rick Santorum already blamed it on liberal post-60’s sexual attitudes…

Anything but blaming it on a system that not only imposes an unnatural state of celibacy on its priests but then goes on to systematically cover up what is the natural consequence of that policy…

322 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:26:25am

re: #319 Gus

Al Jazeera hosts a cleric with 60 million viewers that thinks this…

That’s actually worse, since al-Qaradawi’s audience is far more likely to take violent action based on his words.

323 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:26:26am

is freetoken here?


One million Brits ‘descended from Romans’

One million British men may be directly descended from the Roman legions which came, saw and conquered England and Wales almost two thousand years ago, a DNA study suggests.

324 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:26:36am

Jeez. It’s bee a long time since I was at Fox Nation. The comment section is like a collection of anti-liberal non-sequiturs. An example:

obamas fault
4 minutes ago
1993……First time the WTC was bombed….What did Clinton do?….Let bin laden go three times and turned it over to the police dept. ….


heathen_leftists
7 minutes ago
liberalism is a proven genetic defect.


ONTOR
16 minutes ago
Why are inner city Libs killing each other ?

It’s a freekin story about the POPE, spambots

325 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:27:01am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

Been over the DKos recently?

Some shitbag Kossack has couple of anti-Israel diaries. He is basically calling Israel a dictatorship. Here’s some moonbat lunacy for ya:

…The US has no business getting allied with nations with which it has basic philosophical differences except under extraordinary circumstances. The $3 billion or so that it sends to Israel every year could be much better spent on roads, bridges, and schools instead of propping up a dictator who whips up paranoia at every opportunity and brings right-wing extremists into government with him in order to cling onto power. There is no clear and present danger to the US that we need to continuously prop up the Israeli dictators with billions of taxpayer dollars in a time when we are considering sequestering trillions of dollars in order to get rid of our massive budget deficit.

LOL

I have to give the rest of DKos credit. He’s not getting much support on either one of those diaries.

326 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:27:15am

Is it my imagination or are American Christians about the only group on earth that seemingly enjoys being persecuted?

327 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:28:13am

re: #321 Sol Berdinowitz

Rick Santorum already blamed it on liberal post-60’s sexual attitudes…

Anything but blaming it on a system that not only imposes an unnatural state of celibacy on its priests but then goes on to systematically cover up what is the natural consequence of that policy…

Oh, so it’s “if she’s not a virgin when you marry her, she might know what good sex is and then you’l be under pressure to provide it”?

328 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:28:49am

re: #319 Gus

Al Jazeera hosts a cleric with 60 million viewers that thinks this…

Al-Qaradawin’s Law: the probability that the longer people compare any fundamentalist ideologies, someone will mention Hitler.

329 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:29:41am

re: #325 NJDhockeyfan

Been over the DKos recently?

Some shitbag Kossack has couple of anti-Israel diaries. He is basically calling Israel a dictatorship. Here’s some moonbat lunacy for ya:

LOL

I have to give the rest of DKos credit. He’s not getting much support on either one of those diaries.

They did start to clean up the over the top anti-Israel stuff a while back, not nearly as bad as it used to be but the mentality still sticks around with some people.

330 Flounder  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:30:24am

re: #326 Eclectic Cyborg

Suffering is an important part of the Christian religion.

331 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:30:26am

re: #327 FemNaziBitch

Oh, so it’s “if she’s not a virgin when you marry her, she might know what good sex is and then you’l be under pressure to provide it”?

One of the question I always asked when Charles and Di split up was simply “If he was so crazy about Camilla, why didn’t he marry her in the first place?”.

The reason being, ti seems, that she was not a virgin and thus ineligible to become Queen.

332 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:31:05am

Indonesia’s East Kalimantan loses forest area to new province in Borneo

The creation of a new province, North Kalimantan, on Indonesian Borneo, has dramatically reduced the primary forest area in Indonesia’s East Kalimantan province.

The new province, located along the border of Malaysia’s Sarawak, includes the densely-forested Malinau district. With the loss of Malinau and other forested areas, East Kalimantan’s intact primary forest area has dropped to just 15 percent of the total area of the province.

“Before East Kalimantan and North Kalimantan were split, the forest area that was still functioning well was around 35 percent of the total area [of the province],” said Dr. Petrus Gunarso, country program director for Tropenbos International in Indonesia.

“After the split, the well-functioning forest area in East Kalimantan that remains covers only 15 percent of the total area. Conversely, in North Kalimantan, the functioning forest area will be around 69 percent of the total area [of the province].”

Petrus also explained that while 75 percent of East Kalimantan has been classified as “forest area,” much of this is no longer actual forest. Unsustainable forest management and land clearing for mining, palm oil plantations and infrastructure have been the main causes of deforestation in the province, he said.

Read more at [Link: news.mongabay.com…]


Now you know!

333 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:31:31am

re: #326 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it my imagination or are American Christians about the only group on earth that seemingly enjoys being persecuted?

No, it’s just that a lot of them have an odd definition of “persecution” which to them means “not being allowed to impose my religious views on others as I see fit”.

334 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:31:39am

re: #326 Eclectic Cyborg

Is it my imagination or are American Christians about the only group on earth that seemingly enjoys being persecuted?

No, that isn’t really the case. What is true is that some (but not all) socially conservative American Christians enjoy persecution fantasies. That’s common theme with a number of other groups in the world, sometimes even including paranoia about American influence in Canada (though again, most Canadians don’t fall prey to it).

335 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:31:43am

re: #331 Sol Berdinowitz

One of the question I always asked when Charles and Di split up was simply “If he was so crazy about Camilla, why didn’t he marry her in the first place?”.

The reason being, ti seems, that she was not a virgin and thus ineligible to become Queen.

She was already married—no?

336 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:32:01am

Hey, at least that stupid Current article only has 200+ views. Somehow Steven Crowders Homeric Sexless Odyssey has 73,000 Facebook likes.

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:33:27am

re: #335 FemNaziBitch

She was already married—no?

They were sweethearts before she got married. But she was not a virgin and thus ineligible, as the British, like many other primitive societies, still keep their family’s honor between the legs of their womenfolk.

338 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:34:41am

re: #337 Sol Berdinowitz

They were sweethearts before she got married. But she was not a virgin and thus ineligible, as the British, like many other primitive societies, still keep their family’s honor between the legs of their womenfolk.

Pretty easy to determine if she is pregnant nowadays, which is the original purpose of wedding night virginity among the aristocrats and other arrogant types.

339 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:37:15am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

Pretty easy to determine if she is pregnant nowadays, which is the original purpose of wedding night virginity among the aristocrats and other arrogant types.

It was a matter of hono(u)r. As I understand, Lady Di had to undergo a medical examination to establish her virginity before being allowed to marry Charles, who did not…

340 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:37:23am

re: #338 FemNaziBitch

Pretty easy to determine if she is pregnant nowadays, which is the original purpose of wedding night virginity among the aristocrats and other arrogant types.

That seems to be a global trend. I can specify regions and cultures that practice this.

341 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:37:56am

Royalty: who’s issuing forth from whose loins?

342 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:38:07am

re: #339 Sol Berdinowitz

It was a matter of hono(u)r. As I understand, Lady Di had to undergo a medical examination to establish her virginity before being allowed to marry Charles, who did not…

Yes, IIRC, she did.

How humiliating, and for the whole world to know too!

343 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:39:39am

Syrian rebels say capture nuclear reactor site bombed by Israel

Syria, which razed the site after the raid, said the complex was a regular military facility but refused to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency unrestricted access to the site.

Omar Abu Laila, a spokesman for the Eastern Joint Command of the Free Syrian Army, said the only building rebels found at the site was a hanger containing at least one Scud missile.

“It appears that the site was turned into a Scud launch base. Whatever structures it had have been buried,” he said.

Let’s hope there are no goodies still buried there.

344 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:40:17am

re: #320 FemNaziBitch

heh, heh

Better than citing the pedophiles within the church, I guess.

*grr*

In their minds, they’re the same thing.

345 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:40:49am

re: #344 kirkspencer

In their minds, they’re the same thing.

True dat!

346 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:41:42am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Syrian rebels say capture nuclear reactor site bombed by Israel

Let’s hope there are no goodies still buried there.

I think they scrubbed the area clean before the UN came by for a visit.

347 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:42:30am

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Syrian rebels say capture nuclear reactor site bombed by Israel

Let’s hope there are no goodies still buried there.

Sadly, while Assad is a repugnant asshole, it will equally fall to another bunch of assholes. Libya on the other hand seems to be doing OK for now. We’ll see.

348 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:43:25am

BBl

349 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:43:54am

re: #347 Gus

Sadly, while Assad is a repugnant asshole, it will equally fall to another bunch of assholes. Libya on the other hand seems to be doing OK for now. We’ll see.

No, Libya’s not “OK”. It’s still in flux, but it does still have a chance for a positive outcome.

350 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:46:10am

re: #346 NJDhockeyfan

I think they scrubbed the area clean before the UN came by for a visit.

According to the article…

“It appears that the site was turned into a Scud launch base. Whatever structures it had have been buried,” he said, adding that three army helicopters airlifted the last loyalist troops before opposition fighters overran the area on Friday.

The Syrian military, which razed the site after the Israeli raid, said the complex was a regular military facility but refused to allow the International Atomic Energy Agency unrestrained access, after the agency said the complex could have been a nuclear site.

No UN inspectors. The Syrians might have hauled away the important stuff or they might have just buried it. I don’t know how this sort of thing works.

351 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:48:27am

re: #347 Gus

Sadly, while Assad is a repugnant asshole, it will equally fall to another bunch of assholes. Libya on the other hand seems to be doing OK for now. We’ll see.

Libya’s ok but the region is still a mess. Our new drone base in Niger combined with improved intel for target lists should help to clean things up a bit.

352 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:49:22am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Woodward has decades of experience in reporting and analyzing the presidency. The White House replied because than experience causes people in DC to take Woodward seriously. But to call him “willfully wrong” is to call him a liar, and that’s high risk strategy that could easily backfire on the president.

Disagree about the high risk and backfire.

The risk is that large numbers will be dismayed by the uncivility and condemn the president, calling HIM the liar. As opposed to the large number who will condemn him and call him a liar because he’s black/democratic. The difference in size of the respective “large numbers” is very small.

On the other hand he establishes a bright line support of his already existing position and denies this new back-avenue attack.

And finally, while you and I and just about everyone else knows “willfully wrong” means he was lying it’s still not as blunt and offensive as using the word “liar.” It can be parsed, some face can be saved.

Add to this the fact that for several years now - since prior to Bush’s presidency - Woodward’s “journalism” seems to rely heavily on the Rather standards of professionalism.

353 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:49:48am

re: #350 Killgore Trout

According to the article…

No UN inspectors. The Syrians might have hauled away the important stuff or they might have just buried it. I don’t know how this sort of thing works.

As long as the FSA doesn’t decide to actually try launching the Scuds; Those things coming down in Damascus would be a recipe for major civilian casualties.

354 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:50:48am

re: #342 FemNaziBitch

Yes, IIRC, she did.

How humiliating, and for the whole world to know too!

When you become Queen, your loins belong to the Empire.

355 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:53:10am

re: #352 kirkspencer

One can try to parse “willfully wrong”, but there will be many people who will still link that to ‘liar’, and I’m one of them.

If Obama wants to go daggers drawn with Bob Woodward, then by all means let him. The ground isn’t that favorable to him, and a smart effort by Republicans has the chance to produce a modest victory with little risk.

356 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:54:52am

Report: U.S. made secret N. Korea trips

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) — The Obama administration secretly sent envoys to North Korea to meet with the new leadership of the secretive state, U.S, officials told the Los Angeles Times.

The two undisclosed trips by administration officials last year were aimed at seeing if a new level of cooperation could be forged with Kim Jong Un after he assumed power in late 2011.

Ranking officials refused to comment on the trips, although Korea experts in the United States said they were worth the effort despite the apparent lack of success.

“I don’t know why at this point the administration just doesn’t set the record straight on this,” said a former U.S. official. “All it shows is that we were trying to walk the last mile with North Korea.”

I am not suprised we tried that. We had to. It was a valiant effort but as expected nothing has come from it other than more missile tests and nuclear explosions.

357 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 8:59:46am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

Obama is right, though.

The GOP isn’t going to be able to avoid blame for the sequester. Rather than strategizing about blame, they could, oh, I dunno, pass something with reasonable tax increases as well as some modest cuts. I say that because I know the GOP is too far gone in minarchist Ayn Rand derpitude to actually increase non-military spending, which is what we actually should be doing.

358 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:02:55am

re: #355 Dark_Falcon

One can try to parse “willfully wrong”, but there will be many people who will still link that to ‘liar’, and I’m one of them.

If Obama wants to go daggers drawn with Bob Woodward, then by all means let him. The ground isn’t that favorable to him, and a smart effort by Republicans has the chance to produce a modest victory with little risk.

Do Not Care. See, Woodward did lie. So what you’re saying from my point of view is that Obama should let the liar get away with it and so change the frame of the discussion toward Obama’s opponents.

And while I’m at it, “Smart effort by Republicans” seems at this point to be more than a bit unlikely.

359 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:04:24am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Obama is right, though.

The GOP isn’t going to be able to avoid blame for the sequester. Rather than strategizing about blame, they could, oh, I dunno, pass something with reasonable tax increases as well as some modest cuts. I say that because I know the GOP is too far gone in minarchist Ayn Rand derpitude to actually increase non-military spending, which is what we actually should be doing.

Sorry, but no. The sequester is right now the only way Republicans can cut the budget. And Barron’s is right on that point: If we don’t reduce spending we’ll be as screwed as Greece is. Barring some willingness to make major non-defense cuts on the part of the Democrats (the sequester already includes defense cuts), then I see no alternative to the sequester.

360 darthstar  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:05:02am

re: #357 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Obama is right, though.

The GOP isn’t going to be able to avoid blame for the sequester. Rather than strategizing about blame, they could, oh, I dunno, pass something with reasonable tax increases as well as some modest cuts. I say that because I know the GOP is too far gone in minarchist Ayn Rand derpitude to actually increase non-military spending, which is what we actually should be doing.

I expect them to pass a 30 day extension…like that’s going to do anything but make them look like idiots who can’t get their homework done on time so ask the teacher if they can turn it in late.

361 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:06:34am

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but no. The sequester is right now the only way Republicans can cut the budget. And Barron’s is right on that point: If we don’t reduce spending we’ll be as screwed as Greece is.

This makes absolutely no sense, Dark. I don’t think you have an actual economic rationale to back this up. Our problems are not in the least bit similar to Greece’s in any way, shape, or form, and making that analogy is completely absurd and makes it seem like you’re not treating the conversation in the least bit seriously, but just shouting talking points. I’m really not interested in that.

Enjoy the sequester and the economic harm it’ll do to the US. Eventually the GOP will find a way to weasel itself into ‘spending good’, or it’ll die as a party, and you’ll be freed from this ridiculous position you find yourself in.

362 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:08:15am

Meh. 99 percent of America didn’t even know what Bob Woodward said. Mountain meet molehill.

363 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:09:24am

Madness.

364 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:09:58am

re: #361 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I was referring to this:

In his State of the Union speech last Tuesday, President Obama concluded that “the State of our Union is stronger.” The big question is: stronger than what?

Federal debt is a record $12.2 trillion, or 76% of the nation’s annual output of goods and services. While that’s still well below Greece’s 153%, we’re headed steadily in the wrong direction.

According to estimates by the Congressional Budget Office, adjusted by Barron’s to account for recent tax increases and other factors, if the U.S. doesn’t raise taxes further and cut spending dramatically, the national debt could easily reach 153% of economic output by 2035.

These are not just numbers. If the U.S. national debt continues ballooning, we can be sure of a deep, long-lasting recession — very likely a depression — sometime in the next two to three decades. The unemployment rate could easily surge to 20%.

365 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:11:44am

re: #258 kirkspencer

Excellent post. I am reminded of a lawyer friend’s attitude after OJ got off - yes, he’s as guilty as they come but the prosecution was so FUBAR that the result was the correct one.

366 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:12:50am

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

I see a bunch of assertion, no argument, and no justification for the analogy with Greece, which has all sorts of problems we don’t— and we have all sorts of challenges they don’t.

It used to be absolutely common sense that you increased government spending in a recession. It is common sense. The GOP used to preach it. Then they got bit by the ghost of Ayn Rand and now it’s derp all the live long day. I wish you guys would get the fuck over it and face reality. It’s causing so much pointless suffering.

367 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:13:10am

re: #363 Feline Fearless Leader

Madness.

True. I wish I was right all the time. Some people seem to have that ability. :D

368 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:16:04am

Some confusing language in this article.
Karzai orders US special forces out of Afghan province

The Afghan president has ordered US special forces to leave Wardak province within two weeks.

The decision was being taken due to allegations of disappearances and torture by Afghans considered to be part of US special forces, said a spokesman for Hamid Karzai.
….
“After a thorough discussion, it became clear that armed individuals named as US special force[s] stationed in Wardak province engage in harassing, annoying, torturing and even murdering innocent people,” it said.

“A recent example in the province is an incident in which nine people were disappeared in an operation by this suspicious force and in a separate incident a student was taken away at night from his home, whose tortured body with throat cut was found two days later under a bridge.

“However, Americans reject having conducted any such operation and any involvement of their special force.

looks like allegations of both rendition and “enhanced interrogation”.

369 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:16:40am

re: #367 Gus

True. I wish I was right all the time. Some people seem to have that ability. :D

I have a friend I call “All the same”. He’s a nice guy, but he’s got some really freaking bizarre views that he can’t be moved on. Like believing in ‘luck’, that if you flip a coin ten times and it lands tails up every time that the next throw is more likely to be heads up next time. I can demonstrate to him all I want that he’s wrong, show him real-world tests, show him the math, and he just says “All the same, I think you’re wrong.”

He’s a very nice guy, though. Politely obstinate.

370 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:18:23am

re: #369 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I have a friend I call “All the same”. He’s a nice guy, but he’s got some really freaking bizarre views that he can’t be moved on. Like believing in ‘luck’, that if you flip a coin ten times and it lands tails up every time that the next throw is more likely to be heads up next time. I can demonstrate to him all I want that he’s wrong, show him real-world tests, show him the math, and he just says “All the same, I think you’re wrong.”

He’s a very nice guy, though. Politely obstinate.

Probability issues like that is one of those things where “common sense” fails miserably.

371 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:21:41am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Some confusing language in this article.
Karzai orders US special forces out of Afghan province

looks like allegations of both rendition and “enhanced interrogation”.

I think its bullshit.

372 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:24:09am

re: #359 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but no. The sequester is right now the only way Republicans can cut the budget. And Barron’s is right on that point: If we don’t reduce spending we’ll be as screwed as Greece is. Barring some willingness to make major non-defense cuts on the part of the Democrats (the sequester already includes defense cuts), then I see no alternative to the sequester.

Except that the real cuts that must be made - 25 ~ 40% of the defense budget - still aren’t being made. We need to drastically cut defense spending, increase taxes back to (at minimum) the levels they were at in 1980, as well as remove all income limits from SS withholding. Do those things and the budget problems disappear. Then we can afford to begin fixing the looming climate and infrastructure disasters ahead of us.

But the GOP is too damn greedy to care what happens to the nation and it’s economy.

373 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:28:47am

Pro-privatization interests would benefit FAR more than the Democrats if a Greece-like situation were to take place. And for you newfound concern about the deficit, Dark, I don’t know if you’re either ignorant or in denial about the drop in discretionary spending under Obama.

374 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:31:16am

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Except that the real cuts that must be made - 25 ~ 40% of the defense budget - still aren’t being made. We need to drastically cut defense spending, increase taxes back to (at minimum) the levels they were at in 1980, as well as remove all income limits from SS withholding. Do those things and the budget problems disappear. Then we can afford to begin fixing the looming climate and infrastructure disasters ahead of us.

But the GOP is too damn greedy to care what happens to the nation and it’s economy.

Actually, we don’t need to make any of the cuts. Sufficient increases in taxes will take care of the issue. 1980, for example, would just about do it.

Other suggestions include quit idolizing privatization. When you do a study to see who spends the least per dollar recovering overdue taxes you should not throw out the top two because they’re government. (IRS study prior to issuing a contract for private company to recover overdue taxes. The IRS department doing it was top. Another IRS department was second best.) Require honest evaluations when you do private companies, to include the either making them account for the paperwork costs OR removing the paperwork from the government offices they’re looking at replacing.

We’re so infected with Randian Righteousness that we don’t even see half of the problems it causes.

375 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:32:09am

re: #368 Killgore Trout

Some confusing language in this article.
Karzai orders US special forces out of Afghan province

looks like allegations of both rendition and “enhanced interrogation”.

2014 can’t come soon enough.

376 Killgore Trout  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:34:56am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I think its bullshit.

That’s always a possibility.

378 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:37:36am

re: #370 Feline Fearless Leader

Probability issues like that is one of those things where “common sense” fails miserably.

It is where poor teaching fails us all. Statistics are very important to our society, and manipulators of opinion are very good at taking advantage of our ignorance of such matters.

The odds of a coin landing heads up 9 times out of 10 in total are very low, but the odds of a single coin toss landing heads up are 50:50, regardless of the outcome of the previous 9 or 9,000 tosses.

And this sort of basic statistics is something we also need to teach our teenagers as part of sex education: if a paarticular method is “99.9% effective”, it doesn’t mean you have to do it 1,000 times before it fails, it can just as likely fail the fist, fiftieth or five-hundreth time…

379 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:45:35am

The Daytona race is about to start. I’m rooting for Danica. Chick power!

380 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:45:56am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I think its bullshit.

What part?

That there are people disappearing, some showing up dead? Nope, there’s plenty of historical record.

That our special forces are the ones doing it? After all, al Qaeda does it (as do several other criminal and terrorist organizations). The problem is that we do make people disappear. We have done raids and the people get moved to prisons in other nations, eventually (sometimes) winding up in Gitmo.

The jarring note is the person showing up a couple days later with a cut throat. That’s not typical of our behavior - but we do have bad apples who would do that and worse, so it can’t be dismissed on its face.

fwiw, I suspect it’s not our special forces. But I know too much - have seen too much documented of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan - to be able to dismiss it out of hand.

381 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:49:48am

re: #376 Killgore Trout

That’s always a possibility.

Unpossible! He wrote a letter so it must be true! //

382 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:49:55am

re: #380 kirkspencer

What part?

That there are people disappearing, some showing up dead? Nope, there’s plenty of historical record.

That our special forces are the ones doing it? After all, al Qaeda does it (as do several other criminal and terrorist organizations). The problem is that we do make people disappear. We have done raids and the people get moved to prisons in other nations, eventually (sometimes) winding up in Gitmo.

The jarring note is the person showing up a couple days later with a cut throat. That’s not typical of our behavior - but we do have bad apples who would do that and worse, so it can’t be dismissed on its face.

fwiw, I suspect it’s not our special forces. But I know too much - have seen too much documented of our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan - to be able to dismiss it out of hand.

I agree its happening, but I don’t think its us. But we’re unlikely to be able to demonstrate that, given the situation in the province. The locals aren’t likely to contradict the story, not unless we can demonstrate we can protect them and these days the only way to do that would be to give their entire extended family passage to the US or to Europe.

383 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 9:57:15am

Raiders’ Desmond Bryant arrested

Raiders defensive tackle Desmond Bryant was arrested early this morning in Miami-Dade County, Florida.

The Miami-Dade Corrections website says Bryant was arrested early this morning for criminal mischief. No further information about what led to the arrest has been provided, and a call from PFT to the Miami-Dade Corrections department was not answered.

A rumor, apparently starting with Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel on Twitter, began circulating this morning about Dez Bryant of the Cowboys having been arrested, but that is not the case. Dallas’s Dez Bryant simply got mixed up with another NFL player who has a similar name. Dez Bryant took to Twitter and noted the “false rumors,” adding that he had been working out in Dallas this morning, not getting arrested in Miami.

384 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:00:12am

BBL

385 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:00:17am
386 kirkspencer  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:01:27am

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

I agree its happening, but I don’t think its us. But we’re unlikely to be able to demonstrate that, given the situation in the province. The locals aren’t likely to contradict the story, not unless we can demonstrate we can protect them and these days the only way to do that would be to give their entire extended family passage to the US or to Europe.

It’s not just protection. We are Not Liked by a lot of them. There are a lot of reasons but we brought some of them on ourselves. Regardless, it’s not just fear and need for protection that would be required.

And as I said, it might be us. We’ve done it in the past; that destroys the good guy defense.

387 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:02:16am

re: #385 Lidane

A bit of an exaggeration.

388 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:03:41am

re: #385 Lidane

Juan Williams: Left Media ‘Will Shut You Down, Stab You, Kill You, Fire You’ For Disagreeing

This is the RW journalism of the Christian Persecution Complex:

“Shut You Down, Stab You, Kill You, Fire You For Disagreeing” = call you out on racist/sexist/blatantly inaccurate comments and force you to face the consequences.

389 Feline Fearless Leader  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:08:55am

re: #382 Dark_Falcon

I agree its happening, but I don’t think its us. But we’re unlikely to be able to demonstrate that, given the situation in the province. The locals aren’t likely to contradict the story, not unless we can demonstrate we can protect them and these days the only way to do that would be to give their entire extended family passage to the US or to Europe.

And no guarantee of safety once in the US given our anti-immigrant track record.

390 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:08:58am

No comment.

391 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:09:00am

re: #388 Sol Berdinowitz

Look out, Sam Donaldson’s got a knife!

392 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:10:22am
393 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:10:48am

Nazi Imagery Posted By Candidate’s Father Rocks Westchester Exec Race

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. (CBSNewYork) — The race for Westchester County executive have gotten ugly, with Tea Party conservative challenger Kurt Colucci now taking heat from incumbent Rob Astorino’s campaign over Nazi images posted to the Web by Colucci’s father.

Colucci, a self-identified “conservative libertarian,” has said the Tea Party has been taken over by the Republican Party, according to a Journal News report. He pointed out that the supported Astorino, a Republican, in his initial run for Westchester County executive four years ago, but has been disappointed in his performance, the newspaper reported.

…Meanwhile, Astorino’s campaign has drawn attention to images that Colucci’s father posted – one of which shows Gov. Andrew Cuomo’s head on a uniformed Nazi’s body with a caption reading, “our gov homo,” the newspaper reported.

Another image allegedly posted by Colucci’s father showed a Nazi meeting, with a caption calling it a meeting an Albany in which “dictator cuomo and field marshal bloomberg” were in charge, the newspaper reported.

Colucci distanced himself from the report, telling the newspaper he does not have a relationship with his father and that his father left when he was about 3 years old.

394 chadu  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:11:48am

O/T

An eternal mystery:

Why aren’t you people driving a truck over to me full of money and geeky women of flexible morals and maybe a penguin and also a quagga and a thylacine?

ALTERNATELY:

Mitch: You know, um, something strange happened to me this morning…

Chris Knight: Was it a dream where you see yourself standing in sort of sun-god robes on a pyramid with a thousand naked women screaming and throwing little pickles at you?

Mitch: No…

Chris Knight: Why am I the only one who has that dream?

I hate Sundays. /

395 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:18:49am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

Nazi Imagery Posted By Candidate’s Father Rocks Westchester Exec Race

Colucci distanced himself from the report, telling the newspaper he does not have a relationship with his father and that his father left when he was about 3 years old.

You know who else’s father left home when he was three? Hitler!!!

/

396 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:19:39am

re: #393 NJDhockeyfan

There are two stories there. First, Colucci’s father is a reactionary moron who Godwins his way through life. Second, Colucci himself is an idiot, since he thinks the Tea Party is somehow separate from the GOP and that the Republicans have “taken over” the TP.

397 Gus  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:22:21am

Looking back, I spent the better part of last year ridiculing, insulting, criticizing and chastising Republicans and wingnuts almost on a daily basis. This required a lot of negative thinking on my part. Somehow, I don’t think that’s healthy.

398 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:26:39am

re: #397 Gus

Looking back, I spent the better part of last year ridiculing, insulting, criticizing and chastising Republicans and wingnuts almost on a daily basis. This required a lot of negative thinking on my part. Somehow, I don’t think that’s healthy.

Hating on people and being negative every day is not good mojo.

399 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:28:27am

re: #397 Gus

2012 was an election year. There was plenty to crticize and insult and ridicule from the GOP, starting with their primary race and ending with their presidential candidate and his hopelessly inept campaign.

400 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:29:27am

re: #396 Lidane

There are two stories there. First, Colucci’s father is a reactionary moron who Godwins his way through life. Second, Colucci himself is an idiot, since he thinks the Tea Party is somehow separate from the GOP and that the Republicans have “taken over” the TP.

First. I haven’t spoke to my father in many years. If he went total bonkers that would not reflect a thing about me.

Second. He’s a libertarian. See Ron Paul.

401 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:32:03am

And they’re off! Daytona 500 has started.

402 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:32:25am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

First. I haven’t spoke to my father in many years. If he went total bonkers that would not reflect a thing about me.

I didn’t say it reflected on Colucci at all. I said that his father is a reactionary moron who Godwins his way through life. The man and his father are two separate people.

Second. He’s a libertarian. See Ron Paul.

Luap Nor isn’t a libertarian. He’s a Neo-Confederate theocrat who uses libertarian buzzwords to dupe the college kids and IT nerds that buy into libertarianism into thinking that he’s on their side.

403 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:33:04am

re: #399 Lidane

2012 was an election year. There was plenty to crticize and insult and ridicule from the GOP, starting with their primary race and ending with their presidential candidate and his hopelessly inept campaign.

Not just the election, but the full-on wave of unbridled Obamahate that bubbled up as soon as Ohio was called for the Democrats.

404 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:33:12am

re: #397 Gus

Huh, I was thinking about this too. I think, most of the anger about the current situation is primarily reactive. What Ted Cruz and Scott Walker are doing is worth being angry about…

I’m trying to be a little more polite though.

405 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:34:45am

re: #403 Sol Berdinowitz

Not just the election, but the full-on wave of unbridled Obamahate that bubbled up as soon as Ohio was called for the Democrats.

And even beyond the presidential race, you had the open misogyny of people like Todd Akin to contend with.

406 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:38:18am

re: #403 Sol Berdinowitz

Not just the election, but the full-on wave of unbridled Obamahate that bubbled up as soon as Ohio was called for the Democrats.

Karl Rove’s meltdown on TV was amazing. So were all the Twitter meltdowns by the wingnuts.

407 chadu  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:38:43am

re: #394 chadu

Self-reply, sorry.

I am fascinated by Thylacines, and truly and dearly hope that a small population still exists today.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Okay, I get off computer now.

408 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:40:15am

re: #403 Sol Berdinowitz

Not just the election, but the full-on wave of unbridled Obamahate that bubbled up as soon as Ohio was called for the Democrats.

That replaced the Bush hate for 8 years, which had replaced the Clinton hate, which had replaced the Reagan hate…. It’s a never ending cycle. In 4 years there will be a new group of haters to laugh at.

409 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:40:19am

re: #404 dragonath

Huh, I was thinking about this too. I think, most of the anger about the current situation is primarily reactive. What Ted Cruz and Scott Walker are doing is worth being angry about…

I’m trying to be a little more polite though.

Yeah, you can be angry without being needlessly insulting. Though in a way, a lot of modern GOP ideas are just… dismissable. It’s hard not to insult disbelief in climate change, because it represents such deliberate ignorance. But there’s definitely a lot of just shouting for shouting’s sake that doesn’t actually achieve anything. Noise isn’t progress. Get out the vote, voter registration, voter education is progress. It can be good to make a big ruckus, like people did in attacking Rush over his comments to Fluke— because it draws attention to the issue, but actual political change doesn’t come through just being angry, it comes from doing something constructive with the anger.

410 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:42:40am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

That replaced the Bush hate for 8 years, which had replaced the Clinton hate, which had replaced the Reagan hate…. It’s a never ending cycle. In 4 years there will be a new group of haters to laugh at.

There very little comparison, either in volume and intensity, to the frothing-at-the-mouth hate we saw for Obama.

411 blueraven  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:49:35am

re: #409 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, you can be angry without being needlessly insulting. Though in a way, a lot of modern GOP ideas are just… dismissable. It’s hard not to insult disbelief in climate change, because it represents such deliberate ignorance. But there’s definitely a lot of just shouting for shouting’s sake that doesn’t actually achieve anything. Noise isn’t progress. Get out the vote, voter registration, voter education is progress. It can be good to make a big ruckus, like people did in attacking Rush over his comments to Fluke— because it draws attention to the issue, but actual political change doesn’t come through just being angry, it comes from doing something constructive with the anger.

I think anger over voter suppression efforts in this past election was a necessary and effective reaction.

412 dragonath  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:54:10am

It is kind of sad to see the New York GOP wither between the tea party and the “libertarian conservative” crowd. It was once the party of Roosevelt and Rockefeller, and until recently, provided some votes (who were duly primaried out) for gay equality.

I don’t know what the Conservative Party is up to nowadays, but they helped start this crazy train running by undercutting the moderate Republican candidate in the previously safe NY-23 seat.

413 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 10:56:54am

re: #410 Sol Berdinowitz

There very little comparison, either in volume and intensity, to the frothing-at-the-mouth hate we saw for Obama.

It’s much easier to see it with twitter & FB. The GWB hate was pretty extreme from what I can remember. I can just imagine what we would have seen if Twitter was available.

414 Lidane  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:01:27am

re: #413 NJDhockeyfan

It’s much easier to see it with twitter & FB. The GWB hate was pretty extreme from what I can remember. I can just imagine what we would have seen if Twitter was available.

I don’t ever remember anyone calling for armed insurrection against Bush. Or Clinton. That alone makes the Obama hate more deranged.

415 Mattand  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 11:39:19am

re: #413 NJDhockeyfan

re: #414 Lidane

And has been pointed out over and over: as out there as Bush Derangement Syndrome got, at no time were they in control of the Democratic Party.

Today’s GOP is led around by their radical wing like a beaten dog on a barb wire leash.

416 Shvaughn  Sun, Feb 24, 2013 12:19:04pm

re: #306 Killgore Trout

I clicked over to Current TV just to see what they’re up to these days. Top of the most popular articles list: 10 Similarities Between Conservative Republicans and Nazis
Seriously. I think the Al Jazeera takeover will be an improvement.

It’s stupid as fuck, but that’s also a “community” page, i.e., something like one of our pages here. So it’s not really something that Current TV has specifically published themselves, but just something one of their site’s users has reposted from another blog.


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