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Bob Woodward’s Disgraceful Lies About White House “Threats”

Woodward throws away his remaining credibility to pander to the crazy right
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When I went to bed last night, Bob Woodward was on record claiming that he had been “threatened” by a senior official in the Obama White House, for his statements on the origin of the sequestration deal.

Today Politico published the email exchange between Woodward and Obama’s economic adviser Gene Sperling, and there was no threat. In fact, the emails are amazingly cordial, and Woodward himself clearly understood this and responded with no indication at all that he felt “threatened:” Exclusive: The Woodward, Sperling Emails Revealed.

From Gene Sperling to Bob Woodward on Feb. 22, 2013

Bob:

I apologize for raising my voice in our conversation today. My bad. I do understand your problems with a couple of our statements in the fall — but feel on the other hand that you focus on a few specific trees that gives a very wrong perception of the forest. But perhaps we will just not see eye to eye here.

But I do truly believe you should rethink your comment about saying saying that Potus asking for revenues is moving the goal post. I know you may not believe this, but as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim. The idea that the sequester was to force both sides to go back to try at a big or grand barain with a mix of entitlements and revenues (even if there were serious disagreements on composition) was part of the DNA of the thing from the start. It was an accepted part of the understanding — from the start. Really. It was assumed by the Rs on the Supercommittee that came right after: it was assumed in the November-December 2012 negotiations. There may have been big disagreements over rates and ratios — but that it was supposed to be replaced by entitlements and revenues of some form is not controversial. (Indeed, the discretionary savings amount from the Boehner-Obama negotiations were locked in in BCA: the sequester was just designed to force all back to table on entitlements and revenues.)

I agree there are more than one side to our first disagreement, but again think this latter issue is diffferent. Not out to argue and argue on this latter point. Just my sincere advice. Your call obviously.

My apologies again for raising my voice on the call with you. Feel bad about that and truly apologize.

Gene

Folks, that is absolutely not a “threat,” in any sense of the word. It’s a disagreement. And Woodward knew this.

From Woodward to Sperling on Feb. 23, 2013

Gene: You do not ever have to apologize to me. You get wound up because you are making your points and you believe them. This is all part of a serious discussion. I for one welcome a little heat; there should more given the importance. I also welcome your personal advice. I am listening. I know you lived all this. My partial advantage is that I talked extensively with all involved. I am traveling and will try to reach you after 3 pm today. Best, Bob

But here’s how Woodward portrayed the email to Politico last night:

Woodward repeated the last sentence, making clear he saw it as a veiled threat. ” ‘You’ll regret.’ Come on,” he said. “I think if Obama himself saw the way they’re dealing with some of this, he would say, ‘Whoa, we don’t tell any reporter ‘you’re going to regret challenging us.’”

It’s really unbelievable that a journalist with Bob Woodward’s reputation would try to pull something so obviously fraudulent. He clearly took no offense at all from Sperling’s email at the time — why should he? There’s nothing threatening about it. But then he went to the press and made these wild claims about threats, even though he must have known the emails would come out and prove him a liar.

What a disgrace.

Meanwhile, the dead-enders at breitbart.com are still stupidly hyping Woodward’s obviously false claim, of course, with the usual “angry black man” photo carefully chosen to infuriate their knuckle-dragging followers, and a huge honking typo in the first sentence: WOODWARD EMAILS BACK CLAIM OF WHITE HOUSE INTIMIDATION!!!

Absolutely pitiful. This is why breitbart.com has become such a laughingstock — they lie about President Obama even when the truth is plainly obvious.

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308 comments

1 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:17:34am
2 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:19:48am

As soon as wingnuts realize they have been pwn3d (assuming they are even that self aware) they fall back on Benghazi-ghazi-shazi-stan.

3 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:20:24am
In fact, the emails are amazingly cordial, and Woodward himself clearly understood this and responded with no indication at all that he felt “threatened:” Exclusive: The Woodward, Sperling Emails Revealed.

Ah, but this just proves how threatening and intimidating and Chicago-thuggish the WH is being. //

4 Mattand  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:20:38am

Someone on an earlier thread pointed out that even Eric Ericsson is saying Woodward wasn’t threatened.

5 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:20:38am

I don’t know what’s a more sadder act. Woodward’s or the right wing idiots who bought into his bs.

6 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:21:25am

What’s maddening to me is that this story seems to be getting more coverage than the backass backwards position on the Voting Rights Act that many of our Supreme Court justices seem to have.

7 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:21:26am

re: #2 Vicious Babushka

As soon as wingnuts realize they have been pwn3d (assuming they are even that self aware) they fall back on Benghazi-ghazi-shazi-stan.

Getting back on the Benghazi-Gate will be just like riding a bike: once you’ve done it, you never forget how. /

8 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:22:10am

re: #4 Mattand

Someone on an earlier thread pointed out that even Eric Ericsson is saying Woodward wasn’t threatened.

9 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:22:49am

Amazingly, most right wing blogs seem to agree that Woodward was never “threatened,” except the dumb hacks like the Breitbrats and Jim Hoft.

10 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:22:58am

re: #8 Gus

A wingnut squirrel finds his nuts at least once. Heh, I guess I shouldn’t be too mean to Erick here since he’s acting like an adult.

11 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:23:50am

I’m just waiting for noted political analyst, Ted Nugent, to weigh in on this matter. /

12 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:00am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Amazingly, most right wing blogs seem to agree that Woodward was never “threatened,” except the dumb hacks like the Breitbrats and Jim Hoft.

I think those two would believe Obama was Hitler if someone produced a story saying he was. Especially Jim Hoft, who seems to make it his life mission to be a human jump to the conclusions mat i.e. Office Space.

13 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:23am

Woodward “Threat” = Friends of Hamas

Enough said.

14 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:44am

re: #1 lawhawk

He may not have used the actual word “threat,” but he very clearly implied that he felt threatened. He’s trying to weasel out of it, now that he sees how badly he’s damaged his own reputation. What an idiot.

15 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:59am

re: #13 Dr. Matt

Obama threatened Woodward with his Friends of Hamas connections to cover up Benghazi.

16 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:25:00am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Daily Caller: “Bob Woodward trolled us (and we got played)”

17 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:25:44am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

I think those two would believe Obama was Hitler if someone produced a story saying he was. Especially Jim Hoft, who seems to make it his life mission to be a human jump to the conclusions mat i.e. Office Space.

Obama=Hitler is an old meme already, where have you been?

18 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:11am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

He may not have used the actual word “threat,” but he very clearly implied that he felt threatened. He’s trying to weasel out of it, now that he sees how badly he’s damaged his own reputation. What an idiot.

But, we should give him credit for attempting to repair his reputation by appearing on Hannity tonight.

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:19am

Pathetic

20 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:38am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Well, I think we’ve already moved into the “OK, there is no actual Friends of Hamas, but Hagel/Obama still haven’t proven that they didn’t get donations from Friends of Hamas” part of the story.

The situation remains fluid as new revisions and memes emerge.

Developing……//

21 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:49am

re: #1 lawhawk

It’s looking more and more like both Woodward and Politico have egg on their faces. Woodward for reading excerpts of emails as if they were part of some spittle-flecked angry rant against him and emphasizing the “regret” bit while trying to pump up his own ego by saying he wouldn’t fall for something a younger reporter might, and Politico for taking their own subtext (“threat”) and running with it.

22 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:27:15am

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Amazingly, most right wing blogs seem to agree that Woodward was never “threatened,” except the dumb hacks like the Breitbrats and Jim Hoft.

And Drudge

23 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:27:20am

re: #15 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Obama threatened Woodward with his Friends of Hamas connections to cover up Benghazi.

….whiling wiping his bottom with the Constitution.

24 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:29:03am

re: #22 geoffm33

And Drudge

Should have gotten a screenshot of Drudge’s page last night, with the “crazy” Obama picture above the “you will regret” excerpt. He’s not yet giving up the crusade, because he’s got a composite photo of Obama and Nixon up in the corner while he’s already latched onto Lanny Davis’ “Me Too!” claim.

25 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:29:29am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

He may not have used the actual word “threat,” but he very clearly implied that he felt threatened. He’s trying to weasel out of it, now that he sees how badly he’s damaged his own reputation. What an idiot.

He was perfectly aware about how he was being covered. Check out the title of his CNN interview:

Bob Woodward on _threat_ from White House staff: “…it makes me very uncomfortable to have the White House telling reporters, you’re going to regret doing something that you believe in”

BLITZER: What was said? Yes.

WOODWARD: It was said very clearly, you will regret doing this.

BLITZER: Who sent that e-mail to you?

WOODWARD: Well, I’m not going to say.

BLITZER: Was it a senior person at the White House?

WOODWARD: A very senior person. And just as a matter - I mean, it makes me very uncomfortable to have the White House telling reporters, you’re going to regret doing something that you believe in. And even though we don’t look at it that way, you do look at it that way. And I think if Barack Obama knew that was part of the communication’s strategy - let’s hope it’s not a strategy, but it’s a tactic that somebody’s employed, and said, look, we don’t go around trying to say to reporters, if you, in an honest way, present something we don’t like, that, you know, you’re going to regret this.

26 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:29:38am

While some on the right are finally accepting this was no “threat” keep in mind that tonight Woodward is going on Hannity tonight to stir the pot. The howling at the moon from the wingnuts is far from over.

27 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:29:51am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

Obama=Hitler is an old meme already, where have you been?

No, you misunderstand me, I’m saying Jim Hoft would believe and produce a story about Barack Obama saying he was Hitler because Hoft is that desperate. I know Obama=Hitler memes are frighteningly common in the nutterspehre.

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:30:53am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

No, you misunderstand me, I’m saying Jim Hoft would believe and produce a story about Barack Obama saying he was Hitler because Hoft is that desperate. I know Obama=Hitler memes are frighteningly common in the nutterspehre.

I don’t follow Dim Jim but it wouldn’t surprise me if he has already done that.

29 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:30:55am
30 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:31:26am

Conservatives Regret Taking Woodward’s ‘Threat’ Story Seriously

Now that the correspondence between Bob Woodward and the White House has been revealed as tame and cordial, conservative commentators are reacting with disappointment to the veteran journalist’s claim that he was threatened over his sequestration reporting.

Politico on Thursday posted the emails between Woodward and White House economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Woodward, “as a friend, I think you will regret staking out that claim.”

“Looks like we were played,” The Daily Caller’s Matt Lewis wrote Thursday morning.

RedState editor Erick Erickson was also surprised after reading the emails:

31 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:31:30am

re: #26 Gus

While some on the right are finally accepting this was no “threat” keep in mind that tonight Woodward is going on Hannity tonight to stir the pot. The howling at the moon from the wingnuts is far from over.

Come on, we can expect Hannity to be professional about this. I mean it’s not like he’s ever anything but professional when it comes to this administration,//

32 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:31:42am

re: #25 simoom

He also said:

“But suppose there’s a young reporter who’s only had a couple of years — or 10 years’ — experience and the White House is sending him an email saying, ‘You’re going to regret this.’ You know, tremble, tremble. I don’t think it’s the way to operate.”

It’s hard to find an interpretation of ‘tremble, tremble’ that doesn’t imply there’s a threat there.

33 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:32:48am

re: #26 Gus

While some on the right are finally accepting this was no “threat” keep in mind that tonight Woodward is going on Hannity tonight to stir the pot. The howling at the moon from the wingnuts is far from over.

From what he’s telling WaPo, he’ll go on there tonight and whine that he didn’t really see it as a “threat” per say, but rather that it was the White House trying to “silence him” through intimidation and Hannity suggesting that the drubbing he’s taken today in the press is because the “liberal media” has become Obama’s attack dogs and are mindlessly savaging Woodward instead of getting irate at this “unconstitutional” attack on freedom of the press.

34 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:34:52am

Ah how I miss the Bush years back when the White House and the right-wingers would simply respond to any political attack with “how dare you question the president during these times of war! You’re un-American! A traitor!”

//

35 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:36:35am

re: #33 Targetpractice

OK, I get it now. Woodward is trying to get an invite to this year’s CPAC. Him having an “outstanding year” and being an “all-star” and all like that. /

36 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:37:24am

re: #15 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Obama threatened Woodward with his Friends of Hamas connections to cover up Benghazi.

But has the Woodghazi been trimmed to the correct height?
//

37 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:38:03am

Texas school worker shot during district-sponsored gun training

“At the conclusion of the CHL training on February 27, 2013, one certified person stayed for private instruction with the instructor and had a mechanical malfunction with his weapon,” Van Independent School District said in a statement. “With the assistance of the instructor, the malfunction was addressed, but the gun misfired and the bullet ricocheted coming back to strike the VISD employee in the left leg.”

“The VISD employee was attended to at the scene and transferred to Tyler for further treatment. The injury is not life threatening or disabling. Because of privacy and security issues we cannot make any further statement.”

38 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:38:49am

re: #35 Bulworth

To be fair to him, this is partially semantics. What he is saying is that it was an attempt at a threat, but he’s also saying that a putative younger reporter would be the one to be influenced by it, he is above such things. But it’s still an accusation that the dude threatened him.

“I was threatened, but I wasn’t threatened by the threats he threatened me with”, is, bizarrely, a coherent English sentence.

39 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:39:47am

re: #37 Kragar (Antichrist )

“With the assistance of the instructor, the malfunction was addressed, but the gun misfired and the bullet ricocheted coming back to strike the VISD employee in the left leg.”

That’s one way to fix it, I guess.

40 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:40:05am

re: #38 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

To be fair to him, this is partially semantics. What he is saying is that it was an attempt at a threat, but he’s also saying that a putative younger reporter would be the one to be influenced by it, he is above such things. But it’s still an accusation that the dude threatened him.

“I was threatened, but I wasn’t threatened by the threats he threatened me with”, is, bizarrely, a coherent English sentence.

It’s still essentially a not-roversy though.

41 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:40:17am

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

As unarmed 42-year-old Eddie McKee allegedly ran from an Orange City Walmart with stolen merchandise, 35-year-old Jose Martinez pulled out his gun and fired at least five bullets, according to WKMG.

“I saw one black gentleman running from the parking lot, he dove in his car,” a caller told 911. “And there were two older gentlemen chasing him down. One drew a gun, ripped open the guys car door and screamed, ‘Freeze, freeze, don’t move!’ And then fired shots.”

Bullets riddled McKee’s vehicle, hitting the trunk and shattering the back window. Two other cars were also hit by gunfire.

Martinez told WKMG that he was shocked that police arrested him because he thought no one other than the shoplifter was in danger. He said he just wanted to mark the man’s car for police.

42 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:40:22am

Meanwhile, the media is running with Lanny Davis’s “the WH threatened me too” routine.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:40:22am

re: #38 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

To be fair to him, this is partially semantics. What he is saying is that it was an attempt at a threat, but he’s also saying that a putative younger reporter would be the one to be influenced by it, he is above such things. But it’s still an accusation that the dude threatened him.

“I was threatened, but I wasn’t threatened by the threats he threatened me with”, is, bizarrely, a coherent English sentence.

Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.

44 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:42:13am

re: #40 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s still essentially a not-roversy though.

To me, it’s a much bigger deal that Woodward is advising Obama to violate the Constitution and defy the sequester. It doesn’t even make sense, like, how he would do that.

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:43:02am

re: #38 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Here’s what Woodward told Politico originally:

Woodward repeated the last sentence, making clear he saw it as a veiled threat. ” ‘You’ll regret.’ Come on,” he said. “I think if Obama himself saw the way they’re dealing with some of this, he would say, ‘Whoa, we don’t tell any reporter ‘you’re going to regret challenging us.’”

He deliberately distorted the email from Sperling, in order to drum up controversy on the right and sell more copies of his book.

46 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:43:37am

Another way Woodward is wrong— a younger reporter would love having the access that Woodward has, and would not be being a baby about an exchange like this.

47 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:43:58am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Here’s what Woodward told Politico originally:

He deliberately distorted the email from Sperling, in order to drum up controversy on the right and sell more copies of his book.

Yep.

48 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:44:05am

re: #45 Charles Johnson

That’s true, I forgot he paraphrased it in a way that made it sound like a threat.

49 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:45:00am

Another one falls.

50 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:45:15am

Speaking of DERP

51 Blue Point  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:46:27am

re: #41 Kragar (Antichrist )

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

Too bad there wasn’t a few more “Pistol Packing Patriots” there to shoot at the shooter who then in turn would be fired upon who then in turn would be fired upon where then the cops could just follow the line of bodies.

52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:46:48am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of DERP

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Hac.

53 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:47:22am

It’s stupid because in his hypothetical, he just brings up the “you’ll regret” statement and ignores the other parts of the email which includes an apology for losing one’s temper. So, no, I don’t think a younger journalist would see it as a threat with the full context especially considering Woodward and Sperling are apparently friends. Gotta love how Breitbart.com uses a photo of Obama for the story. Gotta sell that angry black man to your readers huh Pollak and Shapiro.

54 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:47:32am

re: #49 Gus

Another one falls.

It has to be pretty damned obvious to get right wingers to admit they fell for a scam. I’ll bet Woodward is really starting to regret this.

55 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:48:17am

re: #50 Vicious Babushka

Speaking of DERP

Gee, Penny’s has been in a nosedive for years. It must be Ellen DeGeneres fault.

56 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:49:19am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

It has to be pretty damned obvious to get right wingers to admit they fell for a scam. I’ll bet Woodward is really starting to regret this.

The irony is simply delicious.

57 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:49:31am

re: #14 Charles Johnson

He may not have used the actual word “threat,” but he very clearly implied that he felt threatened. He’s trying to weasel out of it, now that he sees how badly he’s damaged his own reputation. What an idiot.

His visit to Hannity’s show tonight should be a hoot.

58 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:50:56am

re: #55 Kragar (Antichrist )

Gee, Penny’s has been in a nosedive for years. It must be Ellen DeGeneres fault.

Yeah but this is how simpleton Fischer thinks. One factoid of a big puzzle = everything. As you point out, they’ve been in a nosedive for years but Fischer just sees less sales and the fact that Ellen DeGeneres did an ad for them, and he has causation. It’s the same stupid approach he uses with gays and the Nazis. Some Nazis were gay. Nazis were bad. Therefore it’s okay to discriminate against gays. Of course, the logic is never consistent because one could use the same logic on heterosexual Christians and there were a lot more of them in the Third Reich than there were pagan gays.

59 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:52:15am

re: #46 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Another way Woodward is wrong— a younger reporter would love having the access that Woodward has, and would not be being a baby about an exchange like this.

And such a younger reporter would appreciate a staffer pointing out factual reasons why the reporter might regret publicly staking out a very stupid and ill-considered position. Because that’s what was happening. Sperling was doing him a favor.

60 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:52:34am

Of course, none of these revelations and mea culpas are going to stop Sean Hannity from asking Woodward tonight “Where did the mean White House man touch you, Bob and how can we at Fox News bring him to justice?”

61 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:52:39am

Apparently the Breitbartians have realized the jig is up, because they’re now trying to change the subject back to the sequester. The last remnants of this non-troversy are them wagging their fingers at the press for not jumping to Bob’s defense and a couple of “Me Too!” stories that are just as laughable.

62 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:53:18am

re: #55 Kragar (Antichrist )

Gee, Penny’s has been in a nosedive for years. It must be Ellen DeGeneres fault.

I used to shop at Penney’s all the time, but then I found that Target had all the same stuff cheaper.

I would still go to Penney’s for furniture, but that’s not the kind of thing that you buy every day.

Penney’s and Macy’s used to be the same, then Macy’s went for the upscale customers and Penney’s was left to slug it out with Target. JCP and Target are still higher class than Walmart.

Anybody still go to KMart? I think Walmart ran over them too.

63 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:54:12am

Almost missed the little update on the Breitbart page stating that Lanny Davis agrees the email was a threat.

Wow. That’s pretty convincing for me. Isn’t it for you? What need have we of more witnesses?

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64 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:55:27am

CNN’s official YouTube video of their Woodward interview.

Title:
Bob Woodward: ‘Obama administration threatened me over budget assessments’

Summary:
Published on Feb 27, 2013
Journalist Bob Woodward says President Obama’s administration threatened him over his budget assessments. For more CNN videos, visit our site at [Link: www.cnn.com…]

Again, as he made the rounds, Woodward was perfectly aware of how his claims were being characterized. Without the ‘threat’ hook, it wouldn’t have been at all newsworthy. Trying to weasel out of responsibility through semantic games is just sad.

65 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:56:03am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

I used to shop at Penney’s all the time, but then I found that Target had all the same stuff cheaper.

I would still go to Penney’s for furniture, but that’s not the kind of thing that you buy every day.

Penney’s and Macy’s used to be the same, then Macy’s went for the upscale customers and Penney’s was left to slug it out with Target. JCP and Target are still higher class than Walmart.

Anybody still go to KMart? I think Walmart ran over them too.

I think Kmart and Sears merged.

66 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:56:25am

Seems Matt Drudge might be the lone hold-out, as he’s still not even acknowledged the emails being released or the following avalanche of derision from even the likes of Erick, Son of Erick and the Daily Caller.

67 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:08am

re: #65 Kragar (Antichrist )

I think Kmart and Sears merged.

Dunno about that. We’ve still got both stores around here. If they merged, they’re still both operating under their own brands.

68 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:25am

Highest rated comment at the Breitbart “article”:

chesterar

Thanks for the reporting, John.
This happened to Lanny Davis, too at the Washington Times as Breitbart News has reported.
These two (Woodward and Davis) are longtime animals of D.C. and can withstand these attacks. But for the other 99.9999999999999999999% of the press corps, they can’t. They can be and are being played (pressured & manipulated, most likely willingly).
Sounds like Nazi Germany tactics.

69 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:39am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

It has to be pretty damned obvious to get right wingers to admit they fell for a scam. I’ll bet Woodward is really starting to regret this.

The next conspiracy will be that Obama’s Chicago-style thugs made Woodward retract this statements.

70 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:47am

re: #66 Targetpractice

Seems Matt Drudge might be the lone hold-out, as he’s still not even acknowledged the emails being released or the following avalanche of derision from even the likes of Erick, Son of Erick and the Daily Caller. is a sensationalist pot-stirrer.

71 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:58:27am

re: #68 Gus

Highest rated comment at the Breitbart “article”:

Another.

MarkinGermany

Both the nazis and the communist used the same
tactics, just in various degrees.

Identify your enemy-republicans are the enemy
of the people-The commies identified Jews and “capitalists” as
enemies of the people. Don’t the libs
and oblamer also hate the capitalists?

Claim they are the reason for all your
problems-It’s all the republicans fault for the sequester. Mein Kampf (oblamer’s favorite pick-me-up
book)

Point out “obvious
characteristics” (usually useless tidbits like the shape of your nose or
other physical characteristics) of your enemy- they are all racist “baggers”.
Josef Goebbels ring a bell?

Tell the people that to hate and attack the
enemy is ok-FOX News should be taken off the air because they “attack”
dear leader, get hollywierd to do info spots telling you how evil conservatism
is. Nazi and communist propaganda flicks
were created on a weekly basis during the war years.

Ridicule any attempt by your enemy to
defend themselves-MiG you are paranoid and should not be allowed to post hate
speech, you all want to through granny from the cliff, make us drink poisoned
water, deny poor people the vote by making them follow the law…you baggers! The nazis claimed Jews were born liars and
laughed out of court all attempts they made to prove their innocence-until it
no longer mattered.

Deny your enemy rights-NO GUNS FOR YOU, and
your voter registration mysteriously disappeared, you dirty baggers. Weren’t businesses and property taken from
Jews by permission of the nazi government?
The commies claimed everything was the property of the people, yet food
lines stretched for blocks and no one owned anything of real value.

Round up your enemies for easy
“disposal”-register your weapon… aw never mind, we’ll have the
newspaper print your name and address and have the people hound you out of
town…you bitter clingers. Ever hear of
a gulag or a concentration camp?

72 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:59:38am

re: #67 makeitstop

Dunno about that. We’ve still got both stores around here. If they merged, they’re still both operating under their own brands.

Operating as their own brands but Kmart and Sears are owned by Sears Holdings Corp. Kmart purchased Sears in 2004.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

73 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:00:07am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

I used to shop at Penney’s all the time, but then I found that Target had all the same stuff cheaper.

I would still go to Penney’s for furniture, but that’s not the kind of thing that you buy every day.

Penney’s and Macy’s used to be the same, then Macy’s went for the upscale customers and Penney’s was left to slug it out with Target. JCP and Target are still higher class than Walmart.

Anybody still go to KMart? I think Walmart ran over them too.

Target isn’t alone in taking over the market segment. In fact I think Kohls is closer in market segment to, and is reason that no one shops at either, Kmart, Sears, or Penney’s. Kohls has competitive pricing, frequent sales, and decent selection of housewares.

Kmart became a second string sales source for Sears stuff. And all the old problems that Kmart had it still has, along with Sears’ ongoing problems.

74 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:01:06am

re: #71 Gus

“Mark in ‘Germany’” sure sounds Very Concerned. /

75 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:01:07am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

I used to shop at Penney’s all the time, but then I found that Target had all the same stuff cheaper.

I would still go to Penney’s for furniture, but that’s not the kind of thing that you buy every day.

Penney’s and Macy’s used to be the same, then Macy’s went for the upscale customers and Penney’s was left to slug it out with Target. JCP and Target are still higher class than Walmart.

Anybody still go to KMart? I think Walmart ran over them too.

And they have Kohls to compete with also. Basically the same as JCP but stores are cleaner.

76 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:01:10am

Damn. That’s some Grade-A crazy right there.

77 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:01:46am

re: #71 Gus

Another.

Identify your enemy-republicans are the enemy
of the people-The commies identified Jews and “capitalists” as
enemies of the people. Don’t the libs
and oblamer also hate the capitalists?

Yes, Obummer hates the capitalists immensely. That’s why the DOW is less than 40 points of hitting the all-time high today.

78 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02:03am

re: #76 Gus

Damn. That’s some Grade-A crazy right there.

The Cult of the Perpetual Victim. “You don’t see how much we’re suffering because of Obama!!”

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02:21am

re: #71 Gus

Looks like MarkInGermany has it all figured out.

80 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02:23am

re: #68 Gus

Highest rated comment at the Breitbart “article”:

No, Nazi Germany tactic result in the reporter in question getting sent to prison or even killed. Historical perspective, non-existent on Breitbart.com, shocker I know.

81 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02:41am

re: #78 Targetpractice

The Cult of the Perpetual Victim. “You don’t see how much we’re suffering because of Obama!!”

Poisoning the water! Bircher perhaps.

82 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:03:04am

Minnesota Republican Legislator: Homosexuality Is A ‘Sexual Addiction’ And An ‘Unscientific Lie’

At a press conference held by Republican opponents of marriage equality, Gruenhagen explained his view:

GRUENHAGEN: When we’re talking about gay marriage, we’re not talking about an immutable characteristic like the color of your skin. Okay? The human genome map was completed in 2003. There is no gay gene. Okay? So the concept that you’re born that way and it’s an immutable characteristic is an unscientific lie.

83 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:04:24am

I think I want a time machine just to show people how idiotic they sound when they compare a high ranking staffer’s apology letter to the tactics of one of the most evil regimes in history. Comparing this to Nazi Germany insults everyone who died or risked their life fighting Nazi Germany.

84 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:04:50am

re: #79 Charles Johnson

Looks like MarkInGermany has it all figured out.

Fascinating that there are people out there that come to those conclusions from this Woodward stupidity. There is something invariably clinical about this.

85 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:05:21am

re: #82 Kragar (Antichrist )

Minnesota Republican Legislator: Homosexuality Is A ‘Sexual Addiction’ And An ‘Unscientific Lie’

Gruenhagen’s opposition to LGBT equality and science is nothing new. In 2011, he dismissed the work of biologist Alfred Kinsey, calling the late sexuality expert a “filthy, perverted unscientific liar” and calling for all of his research to be destroyed. Last year, he told a Tea Party rally that “the concept of sexual orientation was started by Sigmund Freud… he’s a pervert, he’s a moron in my opinion, and I don’t believe in anything that he came up with.”

Gotdamn. That’s some Time Cube level moronfroth right there.

86 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:05:31am

re: #82 Kragar (Antichrist )

Minnesota Republican Legislator: Homosexuality Is A ‘Sexual Addiction’ And An ‘Unscientific Lie’

So by that standard fundamentalist Christian zealots shouldn’t be able to marry either. After all, it’s not like skin.//

87 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:05:53am

re: #82 Kragar (Antichrist )

And it wouldn’t even matter if it was just a choice. Doesn’t matter a bit. Still no reason to discriminate against gay people or involve yourself in other people’s adult consensual sex lives at fucking all.

88 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:07:05am

re: #65 Kragar (Antichrist )

I think Kmart and Sears merged.

Both of em together aren’t big enough to beat up Walmart.

89 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:07:18am
90 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:07:30am

re: #72 geoffm33

Operating as their own brands but Kmart and Sears are owned by Sears Holdings Corp. Kmart purchased Sears in 2004.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Huh. You learn something new every day!

91 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:08:20am

Alabama GOP Official warns Obama will indoctrinate children to accept homosexuality just like the Nazis did

During a speech at the Wetumpka Tea Party, Elois Zeanah of the Alabama Federation of Republican Women compared the adoption of Common Core to the indoctrination of children in Nazi Germany, with President Obama teaching children and imposing an “anti-Christian, anti-capitalism, anti-America…pro-homosexuality, illegal immigration, unions, environmentalism, gun control, feminism and social justice” curriculum.

“They are going to force us to pay to indoctrinate our own kids,” Zeanah warned, “this is not a novel like ‘1994’ [sic], it’s Common Core.”

92 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:08:20am

The honorable [sic] Mr. Gruenhagen represents a district in which the largest settlement is the town of Gaylord (PDF).

LOL


EDIT: added PDF warning. Remember when that was a very serious thing?

93 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:09:00am

White House: No Way Gene Sperling Was Threatening Woodward

White House press secretary Jay Carney on Thursday came to the defense of Obama administration economic adviser Gene Sperling, who told Bob Woodward recently that he would regret his sequestration reporting. 

Carney said Sperling’s tone with Woodward was “incredibly respectful.”

“You cannot read those emails and come away with the impression Gene was threatening anybody,” Carney said.

94 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:09:01am

re: #69 Dr. Matt

The next conspiracy will be that Obama’s Chicago-style thugs made Woodward retract this statements.

You are slow.

95 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:10:04am
96 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:10:06am
“[Normal people] cannot read those emails and come away with the impression Gene was threatening anybody,” Carney said.

I think that’s what he meant to say.

97 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:10:41am

re: #91 Kragar (Antichrist )

Whack-0-Legislator™ #2

98 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:11:08am

re: #96 Bulworth

I think that’s what he meant to say.

No, that would be “Woodward is full of shit.”

99 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:11:29am

re: #91 Kragar (Antichrist )

Oh well, just patriotic teabag partiers here, Very Concerned about Out of Control Spending and the Economy. //

100 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:11:51am

So I’d guess most of you recall the Brietbart and company angst over the negative GDP result for the last quarter of 2012? Well as it turns out that is no more real than the threat against Woodward.

101 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:11:55am

A Chicago Politician said something, it must be a threat.

People still think there are Thugs with Tommy Guns in Chicago.

102 Single-handed sailor  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:06am

re: #62 Vicious Babushka

Penney’s and Macy’s used to be the same, then Macy’s went for the upscale customers and Penney’s was left to slug it out with Target.

Macy’s: You can buy better but you can’t pay more.

103 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:25am

Well today is sure a lot more fun than I thought it would be…

104 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:31am

I love how they try to make the Nazis out to be pro gay. I’ve actually read studies that show that gay victims of Nazi persecution in the camps suffered the highest rates of mortality.

105 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:39am

WTF, Bob, wtf?

106 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:47am

re: #99 Bulworth

Oh well, just patriotic teabag partiers here, Very Concerned about Out of Control Spending and the Economy Women having Sex. //

ftfy

107 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:13:10am

re: #91 Kragar (Antichrist )

Alabama GOP Official warns Obama will indoctrinate children to accept homosexuality just like the Nazis did

Considering that the Nazis tolerated Christianity, that many of the top members were owners of major businesses, that the regime engaged in union busting, only barred gun ownership to “Non-Aryans” (read: Jews), forced girls to join their own youth corps where they were taught that being a stay at home mother subservient to her husband was vital to the national well-being, and that homosexuals were amongst those shot, hung, and gassed during the Holocaust…

This woman is off her rocker.

108 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:13:39am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Considering that the Nazis tolerated Christianity, that man of the top members were owners of major businesses, that the regime engaged in union busting, only barred gun ownership to “Non-Aryans” (read: Jews), forced girls to join their own youth corps where they were taught that being a stay at home mother subservient to her husband was vital to the national well-being, and that homosexuals were amongst those shot, hung, and gassed during the Holocaust…

This woman is off her rocker.

Total liberals.//

109 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:13:52am

re: #100 Political Atheist

So I’d guess most of you recall the Brietbart and company angst over the negative GDP result for the last quarter of 2012? Well as it turns out that is no more real than the threat against Woodward.

THEY’RE COOKING THE BOOKS!!!

110 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:13:52am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I love how they try to make the Nazis out to be pro gay. I’ve actually read studies that show that gay victims of Nazi persecution in the camps suffered the highest rates of mortality.

It’s just part of the usual all-bad-things-are-all-bad mindset. Same way you can be a radical Muslim secularist, or a communist Nazi.

Things are bad by declaration, not by consideration of their characteristics.

111 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:14:28am

VAWA passed!!!!!

112 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:14:33am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

I love how they try to make the Nazis out to be pro gay. I’ve actually read studies that show that gay victims of Nazi persecution in the camps suffered the highest rates of mortality.

NO! THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFERED MOST DURING THE HOLOCAUST AND EVEN MOAR TODAY ARE THE CHRISTIAN AMERICAN GUN OWNERS!!!!111111!!!!!TY

113 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:16:25am

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Nazi as pro-gay? That’s certainly a neat trick when the Nazis purposefully rounded them up and made them wear pink triangles in the concentration camps.

Another sign of cognitive dissonance perhaps?

114 Dr. Matt  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:16:40am

re: #100 Rightwingconspirator

So I’d guess most of you recall the Brietbart and company angst over the negative GDP result for the last quarter of 2012? Well as it turns out that is no more real than the threat against Woodward.

Pffttttttt, that’s just Chicago-style book keeping.

115 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:17:08am

re: #110 erik_t

It’s just part of the usual all-bad-things-are-all-bad mindset. Same way you can be a radical Muslim secularist, or a communist Nazi.

Things are bad by declaration, not by consideration of their characteristics.

Of course. I tolerate those though because they’re so nonsenical but damn when they’re using the fact that there were gay Nazis as rationale for discrimination against gays, it just pisses me off because that frankly and I don’t know if this violates Godwin or not but I really don’t care, it’s a very Nazi way looking at the world.

116 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:17:30am

Clint Eastwood and the Justice Dept now urging Supreme Court to OK gay marriage in California

117 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:17:41am

re: #113 lawhawk

Another sign of cognitive dissonance perhaps?

Only if you consider

LEADER SAY THING BAD. I HATE THING! THING BAD!

to be a form of cognition, dissonant or otherwise.

118 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:17:57am

re: #111 FemNaziBitch

VAWA passed!!!!!

119 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:18:39am

re: #116 lawhawk

Clint Eastwood and the Justice Dept now urging Supreme Court to OK gay marriage in California

To be fair, Clint was just talking to an empty booth at Denny’s, but its the thought that counts.
///

120 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:18:51am

re: #116 lawhawk

Clint Eastwood and the Justice Dept now urging Supreme Court to OK gay marriage in California

Well, some much for a repeat performance at the next Republican Convention. Damn, was really hoping he’d bring out a second chair and have a round table discussion.

121 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:19:01am

re: #113 lawhawk

Nazi as pro-gay? That’s certainly a neat trick when the Nazis purposefully rounded them up and made them wear pink triangles in the concentration camps.

Another sign of cognitive dissonance perhaps?

I think it’s as already said them just combing everything they don’t like into one vaccum. More conservative black and white thinking. It’s how Islamists and Communists are put in the same boat. Got no beef with people who have a problem with either but do with people who dumb shit down by equating them merely because they don’t like them.

122 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:19:30am

re: #118 Kragar (Antichrist )

What the fuck is that garbage.

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:20:22am

re: #122 HappyWarrior

What the fuck is that garbage.

The Wingnut response to VAWA.

124 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:20:52am

re: #118 Kragar (Antichrist )

It’s so underhanded and backdoor it doesn’t actually infringe on The Holy 2nd Amendment, even a little bit.

125 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:21:00am

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Wingnut response to VAWA.

That was after they made a sound so out of the human range of hearing that dogs were barking for miles around.

126 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:21:54am

Scary black man threatens white journalist for doing his job. Fits the narrative, run with it…

127 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:22:15am

re: #123 Kragar (Antichrist )

The Wingnut response to VAWA.

Yeah I see that. But really what the fuck. Can just see it now that many of the R’s who voted yes on this are going to get primaried because of this.

128 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:22:53am

re: #124 Bulworth

It’s so underhanded and backdoor it doesn’t actually infringe on The Holy 2nd Amendment, even a little bit.

But we have nothing to bitch about it it doesn’t so let’s just make up crap!

129 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:23:29am

re: #126 Sol Berdinowitz

Scary black man threatens white jounralist for doing his job. Fits the narrative, run with it…

Nah, it was “Woodward says Obama threatened him.”

“Who’s Woodward?”

“That guy who brought down Nixon.”

“I knew it, Obama’s acting just like Nixon! RUN THAT, BABY!!!”

130 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:23:34am

138 Republicans voted against VAWA —(Uncut) All Democrats voted For (1 NV).

Guess who has my vote?

131 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:24:07am

Leftists pushing gay marriage down our throats is just an underhanded backdoor infringement of 2nd Amendment!

Wow, I think that can be made to fit just about anything.

Obamacare is just an underhanded backdoor infringement of 2nd Amendment!

WH threatening Bob Woodward and media is backdoor underhanded infringement of 2nd Amendment!

132 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:24:30am

And now Matt Drudge has abandoned all pretense of honesty and dropped this story like it’s hot as well.

Tonight it gonna be an awful interesting affair for Bob and Sean.

133 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:25:11am

DERP

134 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:25:16am

I’m still trying to understand how Woodward thinks that Obama is “moving the goalposts” by pushing for a replacement to the sequester that involves a balance of spending cuts and revenue increases. Wasn’t that the whole goal of the sequester? To force both sides to come to a compromise on something like this?

Of course, it’s hard to compromise when one side refuses to talk, which is why we’re at where we are now, but. Does he really think that the proposal from the supercommittee should have involved only spending cuts because that’s what was in the sequester?

135 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:25:25am

Persecution of gays in Germany began in earnest after Nazis rose to power. They were on a moral crusade and considered the Weimar Republic’s tolerance of gays and lesbians to be decadence that had to be wiped out because it threatened the Aryan race. They arrested more than 100,000 men on charges of being gay, with more than 50,000 convicted and of that number, anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 were sentenced to the concentration camps. And the Nazis treated them harshly in the camps. In fact, some of those sent to camps were purposefully mischaracterized as gay because they would be dealt with more harshly than other classes of prisoner:

From 1937 to 1939, the peak years of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals, the police increasingly raided homosexual meeting places, seized address books, and created networks of informers and undercover agents to identify and arrest suspected homosexuals. On April 4, 1938, the Gestapo issued a directive indicating that men convicted of homosexuality could be incarcerated in concentration camps. Between 1933 and 1945 the police arrested an estimated 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most of the 50,000 men sentenced by the courts spent time in regular prisons, and between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps.

The Nazis interned some homosexuals in concentration camps immediately after the seizure of power in January 1933. Those interned came from all areas of German society, and often had only the cause of their imprisonment in common. Some homosexuals were interned under other categories by mistake, and the Nazis purposefully miscategorized some political prisoners as homosexuals. Prisoners marked by pink triangles to signify homosexuality were treated harshly in the camps. According to many survivor accounts, homosexuals were among the most abused groups in the camps.

136 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:26:01am
137 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:26:14am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

“Study”? Liberty University, is that you again?

138 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:26:16am

re: #41 Kragar (Antichrist )

Gun owner fires at Walmart shoplifter to ‘mark’ him for police

Or you know read his back liscence plate and tell them that, but I guess reading is for pussies.

139 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:26:58am

re: #107 Targetpractice

Considering that the Nazis tolerated Christianity, that many of the top members were owners of major businesses, that the regime engaged in union busting, only barred gun ownership to “Non-Aryans” (read: Jews), forced girls to join their own youth corps where they were taught that being a stay at home mother subservient to her husband was vital to the national well-being, and that homosexuals were amongst those shot, hung, and gassed during the Holocaust…

This woman is off her rocker.

I sometimes get the impression that they’re angry about it and use that comparison because they’re jealous that they have no chance of getting away with doing the same thing.

140 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:27:16am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

DERP

and right wing stupidity is caused by eating paint chips instead of potato chips.

141 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:27:59am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Max Derproom

142 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:28:00am

re: #135 lawhawk

I reject your reality and substitute my own projections. /

143 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:29:24am

re: #133 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Yeah, I’ve never seen an overweight stay at home mom…

Wait a fucking minute.

144 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:30:22am

re: #135 lawhawk

Persecution of gays in Germany began in earnest after Nazis rose to power. They were on a moral crusade and considered the Weimar Republic’s tolerance of gays and lesbians to be decadence that had to be wiped out because it threatened the Aryan race. They arrested more than 100,000 men on charges of being gay, with more than 50,000 convicted and of that number, anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 were sentenced to the concentration camps. And the Nazis treated them harshly in the camps. In fact, some of those sent to camps were purposefully mischaracterized as gay because they would be dealt with more harshly than other classes of prisoner:

I think I read somewhere that Berlin in the Weimar era was considered the most gay friendly city in the world. Somehow that changed after March 1933. Something about a guy named Hitler and his Nazi party. MAybe just a coincidence. Anyhow, what angers me about this bs tactic is they bring up that some Nazis were gay and some were indeed like Ernst Rohm, the early leader of hte SA but they use that as proof as to why that we should discriminate against gay people. Does anyone even the most extreme anti Christian and straight person argue that straight Christians should not have equal rights under the law because a large majority of NSDAP members were straight Christians. Bueller?

145 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:30:35am

re: #134 klys

I’m still trying to understand how Woodward thinks that Obama is “moving the goalposts” by pushing for a replacement to the sequester that involves a balance of spending cuts and revenue increases. Wasn’t that the whole goal of the sequester? To force both sides to come to a compromise on something like this?

Of course, it’s hard to compromise when one side refuses to talk, which is why we’re at where we are now, but. Does he really think that the proposal from the supercommittee should have involved only spending cuts because that’s what was in the sequester?

The whole point of sequester was that its effect on the budget and economy would be so bad and hurt the constituencies of GOPers and Democrats in such a way that it would force a compromise deal that the super committee could hash out and Congress could act upon. That’s why the GOP went for the deal when they passed it through the House with strong support from its own caucus.

The supercommittee couldn’t find its way out of a paper bag, leaving Congress no out (not that some in the GOP aren’t happy with this outcome - they are since they’re getting cuts that they’ve sought all along and their beef is to restore the defense budget portion with other offsets).

Everyone thought that the cuts would be so deep and harsh that an alternative would be produced in time. Turns out that the GOP wasn’t so interested in a deal so much as playing a game of Russian roulette with the American economy and their main argument right now is how to blame Obama for everything that came from the GOP intransigence.

146 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:30:46am

Looks like we’re really going to go over the cliff.

White House and GOP set to let sequester deadline expire without deal

Washington braces for prolonged stand-off in the ‘sequester’ crisis as both sides neglect to seek out last-minute deal

147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:31:19am

I just emailed my Thank You to my Representative. He voted in favor of VAWA.

148 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:32:00am

re: #146 Killgore Trout

This situation 100% brought to you by the GOP’s insane, nihilistic stand against America paying its bills.

Entirely theirs.

149 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:32:57am

re: #148 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

This situation 100% brought to you by the GOP’s insane, nihilistic stand against America paying its bills.

Because party of personal responsibility, amirite?

Fuck them. I’m looking forward to my furlough.

150 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:33:02am

re: #24 Targetpractice

… he’s got a composite photo of Obama and Nixon up in the corner while he’s already latched onto Lanny Davis’ “Me Too!” claim.

151 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:33:06am

Breaking narrative.

It’s CNN and Politico’s fault!

152 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:33:07am
Anyhow, what angers me about this bs tactic is they bring up that some Nazis were gay and some were indeed like Ernst Rohm, the early leader of hte SA

Anybody remember what ultimately happened to Rohm and much of the SA? Class? Anyone?

153 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:33:09am

re: #134 klys

I’m still trying to understand how Woodward thinks that Obama is “moving the goalposts” by pushing for a replacement to the sequester that involves a balance of spending cuts and revenue increases. Wasn’t that the whole goal of the sequester? To force both sides to come to a compromise on something like this?

Of course, it’s hard to compromise when one side refuses to talk, which is why we’re at where we are now, but. Does he really think that the proposal from the supercommittee should have involved only spending cuts because that’s what was in the sequester?

CSM explores the situation fairly well if you’d like a nonpartisan view
Bob Woodward vs. the White House: Who’s right in ‘sequester’ smackdown?

154 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:34:17am

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Wilkommen, bienvenue, welcome, im cabaret, au cabaret, to cabaret!

156 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:35:10am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Edit: I wrongly thought that the CSM hadn’t acknowledged that the sequestration came about solely because of GOP obstructionism on the debt ceiling. They do acknowledge that, they just don’t emphasize it, in my opinion, in the right place.

157 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:35:55am

re: #149 erik_t

Because party of personal responsibility, amirite?

Fuck them. I’m looking forward to my furlough.

My dad and my brother may both be about to get some unexpected vacation time (work at FDA).

158 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:36:21am

re: #156 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Which is weird to see from the usually good CSM.

Which is why it is entirely unweird to then see it posted by Killgore.

159 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:36:28am

re: #154 lawhawk

Wilkommen, bienvenue, welcome, im cabaret, au cabaret, to cabaret!

[Embedded content]

I was thinking of that movie as well!

160 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:37:07am
The former is true. Administration officials did come up with the sequester idea as a way to try to force Congress to agree to those deficit-reduction figures. The White House pretty much acknowledges this but adds that it is kind of irrelevant, because it was House Republicans who were holding the debt-ceiling increase hostage at the time. If Speaker John Boehner et al had not been doing that there would have been no need for sequestration, Q.E.D. Plus, it wasn’t supposed to ever go into effect.

Glad to see the CSM doesn’t have complete amnesia on this basic point.

161 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:37:12am

re: #156 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That article, astonishingly, avoids why the sequester was floated as a plan in the first place, what it was for. What it was for was to solve a problem 100% created by GOP obstructionism.

Which is weird to see from the usually good CSM.

Which is what the narrative’s become, who’s to blame, with “centrists” snarling “a pox on both their houses” because to take a side would mean to actually accept that there is no center path, that one party is truly out of their fucking gourds.

162 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:37:16am

re: #152 Bulworth

Anybody remember what ultimately happened to Rohm and much of the SA? Class? Anyone?

Bueller, Bueller, Bueller…

163 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:37:41am

Expecting a lot of businesses around SD to be hurt by the sequester, schools too.

164 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:37:58am

re: #160 Bulworth

ah, good, I retract my criticism. They just didn’t reiterate it at a certain point where it really belonged, but they got it in there.

165 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:38:02am

I know I can be dense, at times :0. Would someone please explain the etymology of sequester as it relates to the current situation?

166 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:38:49am

re: #163 Kragar (Antichrist )

Expecting a lot of businesses around SD to be hurt by the sequester, schools too.

I’m living in the heart of a major military community which serves four major military installations within driving distance of D.C.

I’m fucked.

167 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:39:18am

re: #153 Killgore Trout

CSM explores the situation fairly well if you’d like a nonpartisan view
Bob Woodward vs. the White House: Who’s right in ‘sequester’ smackdown?

The article does nothing to explain why Bob Woodward thought that trying to come up with a compromise to replace the sequester - the exact thing the sequester was supposed to force - was moving the goalposts. Unless his version of compromise was: all cuts, just more targeted.

168 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:39:23am

re: #161 Targetpractice

Which is what the narrative’s become, who’s to blame, with “centrists” snarling “a pox on both their houses” because to take a side would mean to actually accept that there is no center path, that one party is truly out of their fucking gourds.

There is a center path and the Democrats are on it. The GOP is so far to the right, they aren’t even in the forest anymore. Which is why they are so out-of-sync.

169 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:39:30am

re: #164 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

They do mention it but they don’t seem too terribly concerned about it. Just a small, minor detail. /

170 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:39:50am

re: #166 Targetpractice

I’m living in the heart of a major military community which serves four major military installations within driving distance of D.C.

I’m fucked.

I’m going to Hell.

which is worse?

171 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:40:55am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

Hell’s pretty nice this time of year. /at least in the Caymans…

172 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:40:57am

re: #169 Bulworth

It’s all about how the White House will probably come to regret dealing with a respected journalist like Woodward in that fashion.

//

173 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:41:05am

re: #168 FemNaziBitch

There is a center path and the Democrats are on it. The GOP is so far to the right, they aren’t even in the forest anymore. Which is why they are so out-of-sync.

When I mean “no center path,” I’m talking about the MBF, false equivalency crowd who keep berating both parties for not compromising and coming to a mutually equitable agreement, when there really is no compromise between “No Taxes” and “Balanced Plan.”

174 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:41:11am

re: #136 FemNaziBitch

FINAL FINAL of roll call.

Idaho

Raul Labrador No
Mike Simpson Yes

No surprises here. Labrador is a TPGOP sweetheart.

176 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:42:05am

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

I know I can be dense, at times :0. Would someone please explain the etymology of sequester as it relates to the current situation?

Umm when a jury can not come to a wck conclusion as part of a trial they are sequestered in a hotel or whatever where they have to live till they can come to a conclusion one way or the other.

I think the way it works is that it’s like “jury come to a conclusion or we will sequester you”. In this case it was “Congress come to a deal or we’ll sequester you” since the sequester was a package of cuts that both parties agreed should be unpalatable or at least undesirable.

177 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:42:25am

re: #164 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The debt ceiling broohaha was, to paraphrase Joe Biden, kind of a BFD in all of this. For our media to not acknowledge it’s underlying and driving role in why we are where we are is to be kind of a little dickish.

178 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:43:08am

re: #174 Bubblehead II

Idaho

Raul Labrador No
Mike Simpson Yes

No surprises here. Labrador is a TPGOP sweetheart.

I’m very surprised that my teabagger rep. voted in favor. Possibly due to the large number of Native Americans in NM.

179 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:43:25am

re: #130 FemNaziBitch

138 Republicans voted against VAWA —(Uncut) All Democrats voted For (1 NV).

Guess who has my vote?

Not all Democrats - one from NC and one from IL voted against.

180 Bulworth  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:44:32am

It should also go without saying that our media village would likely not be concerned with the sequester if it was not affecting defense spending. (My apologies to those defense workers and contractors so affected).

181 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:44:43am

re: #177 Bulworth

There’s a lot of people who are always desperate to portray things as balanced. It’s a complete cliche at this point, but it’s still an interesting case. It’s intentionally ignoring the context in order to try to pretend that both Obama and the GOP are to blame for the situation.

The situation was 100% caused by the GOP. They held the debt ceiling hostage, and they are refusing to any tax increases now.

182 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:44:48am

re: #179 leftynyc

Not all Democrats - one from NC and one from IL voted against.

voted against the amendment, not the final final.

183 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:45:07am

Arizona Senate Approves Gold, Silver As Legal Tender

According to Capitol Media Services, Republicans who pushed the measure through said they feared the value of the dollar could tank, making the law necessary. While the U.S. Constitution bans states printing their own currency, supporters argued it does not prohibit private organizations from minting gold and silver coins.

If the bill is approved by the state House and signed by Gov. Jan Brewer (R), it would give privately minted gold and silver the same legal status to pay bills as federal currency, according to Capitol Media Services. It could also force merchants to keep scales on hand in order to determine value of gold and silver — a point that was mocked by Democratic state Sen. Steve Farley, who opposed the bill. Farley proposed a list of items that could also serve as legal tender in the state, such as cattle, cotton and citrus.

184 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:45:13am

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

I know I can be dense, at times :0. Would someone please explain the etymology of sequester as it relates to the current situation?

They had a piece about that on NPR a couple of days ago. Try searching there. (npr.org)

185 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:45:53am

re: #183 Kragar (Antichrist )

Arizona Senate Approves Gold, Silver As Legal Tender

Stop huffing glue.

186 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:11am

re: #183 Kragar (Antichrist )

Arizona Senate Approves Gold, Silver As Legal Tender

Technically, isn’t this already legal, just really, really impractical.

187 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:20am

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

I know I can be dense, at times :0. Would someone please explain the etymology of sequester as it relates to the current situation?

Wiki’s got a page under “budget sequestration”, but in layman’s terms it’s an automatic broad cut on the budget in the event that Congress appropriates more money than a set limit. They raised the debt ceiling by $2.4 trillion, but only set out $1.2 trillion in cuts, with the other half to be made by the supercommittee if possible, but broad cuts is not.

188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:31am

re: #167 klys

The article does nothing to explain why Bob Woodward thought that trying to come up with a compromise to replace the sequester - the exact thing the sequester was supposed to force - was moving the goalposts. Unless his version of compromise was: all cuts, just more targeted.

Because a compromise is the only way a deal is going to get done. If one side overestimates their leverage then no deal will get done. It’s a very dangerous game I wish politicians weren’t playing. The economic uncertainty about the basic essentials for the country is sign that we are broken and dysfunctional.

189 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:35am
190 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:55am

re: #170 FemNaziBitch

I’m going to Hell.

which is worse?

As a practical matter, if there’s a hell, I’ll see you there (especially at a NIN concert when they go on tour later this year).

191 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:47:24am

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Because a compromise is the only way a deal is going to get done. If one side overestimates their leverage then no deal will get done. It’s a very dangerous game I wish politicians weren’t playing. The economic uncertainty about the basic essentials for the country is sign that we are broken and dysfunctional.

What sort of compromise do you see between the GOP and Dem positions?

192 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:48:01am

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

Technically, isn’t this already legal, just really, really impractical.

I await the first business owner being sued for not accepting gold.

Please make sure your business can properly gauge gold content and purity and weight before accepting any gold coins.

193 wrenchwench  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:48:17am

re: #185 erik_t

Stop huffing glue.

Start using it as payment!

194 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:48:56am

re: #188 Killgore Trout

“Politicians” aren’t playing the game. The sequester came about because the GOP obstructed the debt ceiling, took it hostage, and got a round of spending cuts. Now they are refusing, flat-out, to raise taxes even while cutting more spending. It is not politicians. It is the GOP.

This is not politics as usual, this is not how negotiation occurs. It is bizarre to pretend that it is, and completely unconvincing.

195 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:49:20am

re: #189 HappyWarrior

Image: rudolph_yukon_posed_mountain.jpg
The Bill’s sponsor.

Seconded by This gentleman I believe….

196 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:49:32am
197 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:50:22am

re: #195 jamesfirecat

Seconded by This gentleman I believe….

[Link: encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com…]
Thirded by the honorable representative from Fort Knox.

198 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:50:30am

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

I await the first business owner being sued for not accepting gold.

Please make sure your business can properly gauge gold content and purity and weight before accepting any gold coins.

Technically, a business doesn’t have to accept cash.

I worked in one office where the owner didn’t want to mess with a cash box and making change for the odd customer who didn’t write checks or have a credit card. Also didn’t want cash in the office for security reasons. He would not accept cash, period (Insurance Office).

199 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:50:33am

And on Israel, Reagan said and did things that would turn Ted Cruz’s hair white. Reagan didn’t merely sell AWACS surveillance planes to Saudi Arabia over Israeli objections. When AIPAC launched a lobbying campaign to stop the sale, Reagan declared, “It is not the business of other nations to make American foreign policy.” When Israel bombed Iraq’s Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981, Reagan backed a U.N. resolution condemning the Jewish state and delayed various arms sales. And in August 1982, after Israel bombed Beirut for 11 straight hours, Reagan called Israel’s prime minister, a man whose family had largely perished at Nazi hands, and said, “Menachem, this is a Holocaust.”

The point isn’t that Reagan’s statements and actions were laudable. It’s that once upon a time, Republicans tolerated a level of criticism of Israeli policy that is unthinkable today. As on taxes, the bar for what’s considered “pro-Israel” in today’s GOP has been so dramatically raised that even the staunchest right-wingers are in danger of failing to qualify. On Hagel, right-wing activists didn’t merely demand that Republican senators vote no. They demanded that they support a filibuster, something never before done in a fight over a secretary of defense nominee…

Whoa.

200 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:51:05am

re: #196 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fox contributor Monica Crowley: ‘Republicans have done nothing but compromise’

Because they accept that non WASPs have the right to live in their neighborhood?

201 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:51:06am

re: #186 FemNaziBitch

Technically, isn’t this already legal, just really, really impractical.

You have summed up most of the GOP approach to governance.

202 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:51:54am

re: #196 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fox contributor Monica Crowley: ‘Republicans have done nothing but compromise’

I notice part of her little bit is what I’m hearing from wingnuts, that “Republicans gave Obama his tax increases, now he has to give them the cuts they wanted!” Which ignores the reality that the GOP gave up nothing that Obama wouldn’t have gotten just by waiting til after the fiscal cliff passed.

203 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:51:55am

re: #201 Sol Berdinowitz

You have summed up most of the GOP approach to governance.

Really, it’s more than impractical. They are immoral, IMHO.

204 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:52:18am

re: #199 Gus

History. How does that work. /

205 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:52:38am

bbl

206 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:53:38am

re: #204 lawhawk

History. How does that work. /

Reading that… heck, Obama is to the “right” of Reagan on Israel. Obama would never do anything like this.

207 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:53:41am

re: #196 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fox contributor Monica Crowley: ‘Republicans have done nothing but compromise

They keep using that word. I don’t think it means what they think it means.

208 jamesfirecat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:54:06am

re: #197 HappyWarrior

[Link: encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com…]
Thirded by the honorable representative from Fort Knox.

With a fourth from Some of the states resident aliens…

209 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:54:45am

re: #206 Gus

Reading that… heck, Obama is to the “right” of Reagan on Israel. Obama would never do anything like this.

I can’t imagine Obama telling an Israeli leader especially one who lost relatives in the Holocaust that a 12 hour bombing was a “holocaust.” But yet the right wing nutcases want us to believe that Obama’s administration is the most anti Israel and anti-Semitic one in history.

210 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:54:54am

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Because a compromise is the only way a deal is going to get done. If one side overestimates their leverage then no deal will get done. It’s a very dangerous game I wish politicians weren’t playing. The economic uncertainty about the basic essentials for the country is sign that we are broken and dysfunctional.

I’m not sure if I’ve been communicating clearly, so I will try again. (I don’t dispute what you’re saying about compromise being necessary, but it wasn’t really what I was asking.)

Bob Woodward’s point is that the administration is “moving the goalposts” by seeking a compromise that features a mixture of spending cuts and revenue increases to replace the sequester. My understanding is: that was the purpose of the sequester, to drive the necessity of compromise which, at the time, was believed to be a mixture of spending cuts and revenue increases.

I totally get all of the Republican bullshit which is why no compromise has happened, but that doesn’t change the purpose of the sequester, which is to drive both parties back to the negotiating table with that in mind.

His claiming that the administration is moving the goalposts seems to be saying that the sequester cuts can only be replaced by equivalent targeted cuts instead of broad, across the board cuts like will happen. I don’t understand how a logical interpretation of events leads to this position and claims to be backed by facts. That’s what I’m trying to understand. That’s my question.

211 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:57:10am
212 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:57:15am

Let’s face it. Reagan can get away with doing this shit because he’s Reagan. Imagine if any other administration had done Iran-Contra. And I include either Bush or any other Republican president in that as well since Reagan has the right’s biggest get out of jail free card for a president.

213 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:58:06am

re: #211 Kragar (Antichrist )

And yet enough of them agreed with the Democrats to make it a clear majority. Representative democracy, how does it work mother fucker?

214 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:58:19am

re: #211 Kragar (Antichrist )

And for the third time, it passed by a bipartisan majority.

Ain’t that some shit? Almost seems like both parties can get shit done when they’re not being held to one party’s asinine quasi-filibuster.

215 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:58:20am

re: #64 simoom

… Woodward was perfectly aware of how his claims were being characterized. Without the ‘threat’ hook, it wouldn’t have been at all newsworthy. Trying to weasel out of responsibility through semantic games is just sad.

Woodward’s own paper played up the ‘threat’ angle as well:

216 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:58:24am

Guess again Bryan

217 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:58:26am

re: #211 Kragar (Antichrist )

They’re making Boehner out to be the good guy, and they’re succeeding.

What a country.

218 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:59:40am

re: #217 erik_t

They’re making Boehner out to be the good guy, and they’re succeeding.

What a country.

They’re making by extension Paul Ryan look like a good guy- he voted yes on the bill. Really keep on digging guys and wondering why Americans will never accept your “true conservative” ever.

219 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:00:14pm

re: #206 Gus

Kinda puts the whole overblown nontroversy about how Obama and Netenyahu don’t like each other in a new light, doesn’t it.

Reagan had no problem using the very charged term Holocaust in responding to Begin’s government carrying out airstrikes and artillery attacks against PLO embedded in Southern Lebanon (language that the PLO, Fatah, Hamas, and other Islamic terror groups would use every time Israel attacked with force against terror infrastructure - see Jenin). And that’s despite Begin seeing his family decimated by the Holocaust.

220 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:00:59pm

re: #216 Vicious Babushka

Guess again Bryan

@BryanJFischer Today’s Pharisees: libs who want Jesus removed from public square: http://youtu.be/z16s2Y6aItc via @youtube

/clears throat/

And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

221 geoffm33  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:02:11pm
222 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:02:16pm

re: #219 lawhawk

Kinda puts the whole overblown nontroversy about how Obama and Netenyahu don’t like each other in a new light, doesn’t it.

Reagan had no problem using the very charged term Holocaust in responding to Begin’s government carrying out airstrikes and artillery attacks against PLO embedded in Southern Lebanon (language that the PLO, Fatah, Hamas, and other Islamic terror groups would use every time Israel attacked with force against terror infrastructure - see Jenin). And that’s despite Begin seeing his family decimated by the Holocaust.

Yeah but Obama anti-Israel yada yada. Honestly, I had not read about that incident before. I frankly think Reagan’s choice of words was insensitive to say the least.

223 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:04:15pm

re: #211 Kragar (Antichrist )

He’s hung up on the Hastert rule,which in the past 6 months alone has been used to block Sandy relief aid and sequester relief.

The only time actual business in Congress has gotten done is when he’s suspended use of the rule so that the nation got the tax relief act done, Sandy relief after 90+ days, and VAWA (to name but 3).

224 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:05:40pm

WND: Obama Using Gun Control to Introduce Gulags and Gas Chambers

WorldNetDaily’s Robert Ringer today maintains that President Obama’s gun control legislation is actually meant to confiscate all guns in order to blunt the rise of the Tea Party. Ringer claims that there are “many more rednecks” joining the Tea Party, and they will be the last line of defense against Obama’s plan to “grab people’s guns.”

If Obama succeeds, Ringer warns, “gulags, gas chambers and firing squads are easily put into place,” and the president will ultimately be able to accomplish his life mission: “the complete destruction of Western civilization.”

225 Mattand  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:05:45pm

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Because a compromise is the only way a deal is going to get done. If one side overestimates their leverage then no deal will get done. It’s a very dangerous game I wish politicians weren’t playing. The economic uncertainty about the basic essentials for the country is sign that we are broken and dysfunctional.

Oh, for fuck’s sake.

There’s one party and one party alone that started this horsehit by refusing to raise the debt ceiling.

226 lawhawk  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:05:55pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

I think that’s the highest profile of the bunch, but there were other instances where Reagan put the screws to Israel (often over the construction of settlements in withholding loan guarantees). I’ll have to go back and look - Spiegel’s The Other Arab Israeli Conflict is a great reference tool, as is Quandt’s Peace Process.

227 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:06:35pm
228 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:07:31pm
229 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:07:53pm

re: #226 lawhawk

I think that’s the highest profile of the bunch, but there were other instances where Reagan put the screws to Israel (often over the construction of settlements in withholding loan guarantees). I’ll have to go back and look - Spiegel’s The Other Arab Israeli Conflict is a great reference tool, as is Quandt’s Peace Process.

Well that one stood out to me because of the personal insensitivity of it but I am not surprised.

230 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:08:17pm

re: #227 simoom

While I’m happy to see the GOP self-destruct, I just wish they weren’t hell bent on taking down the rest of America with them.

231 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:09:39pm

re: #224 Kragar (Antichrist )

WND: Obama Using Gun Control to Introduce Gulags and Gas Chambers

Yes, President Obama’s goal is the complete destruction of Western Civilization. Isn’t it great that we have the Tea Party to talk rationally and responsibly about important issues?

232 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:09:59pm

re: #210 klys

I’m not sure if I’ve been communicating clearly, so I will try again. (I don’t dispute what you’re saying about compromise being necessary, but it wasn’t really what I was asking.)

Bob Woodward’s point is that the administration is “moving the goalposts” by seeking a compromise that features a mixture of spending cuts and revenue increases to replace the sequester. My understanding is: that was the purpose of the sequester, to drive the necessity of compromise which, at the time, was believed to be a mixture of spending cuts and revenue increases.

I totally get all of the Republican bullshit which is why no compromise has happened, but that doesn’t change the purpose of the sequester, which is to drive both parties back to the negotiating table with that in mind.

His claiming that the administration is moving the goalposts seems to be saying that the sequester cuts can only be replaced by equivalent targeted cuts instead of broad, across the board cuts like will happen. I don’t understand how a logical interpretation of events leads to this position and claims to be backed by facts. That’s what I’m trying to understand. That’s my question.

It’s a matter of perspective and Woodward’s claim of moving the goalposts is dubious. From the Dem perspective the sequester should have made the the Republicans more willing to comprimise on raising revenue. Republicans are going to get most of the public blame if things go tits up. From the Republican perspective the Dems should be more willing to comprimise because Republicans have shown their willingness to kill the proverbial hostage. When either side’s expectations aren’t met they’re going to claim moved goalposts.
From my perspective I don’t think Beohner is capable of striking a deal. He doesn’t have enough control over his own caucus. We’re at the exact same point we were with the last budget debate.They’ll find a way to kick the can down the road again. We’ll run out of time eventually.

233 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:11:27pm

re: #228 Kragar (Antichrist )

‘Project 2026’ to Fight the Gay-Muslim-Atheist Alliance Destroying America

Or as I call it Things that American Right Wingers Hate Unite.

234 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:12:21pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Republicans are going to get most of the public blame if things go tits up. From the Republican perspective the Dems should be more willing to comprimise because Republicans have shown their willingness to kill the proverbial hostage.

Something something something we do not negotiate with terrorists.

235 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:13:58pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

You don’t negotiate with terrorists.
/

236 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:14:44pm

DOUBLE DOWN DERP

237 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:15:16pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout


Boehner can easily, easily, easily strike a deal, it’ll just not be one that the majority of Republicans will vote for. He could get the votes, as he did for the VAWA.

238 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:15:30pm

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLE DOWN DERP

More wool over their eyes than on every sheep in New Zealand.

239 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:15:56pm

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

A day late but not a derp short.

240 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:16:25pm

re: #236 Vicious Babushka

DOUBLE DOWN DERP

I didn’t realize Byron York and Erick Erickson and the Daily Caller were the “left.”

241 Mattand  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:16:44pm

re: #234 Interesting Times

Something something something we do not negotiate with terrorists.

This is what kills me. The Republicans have shown an absolute commitment to ruining the American economy because they’re not getting 100% of their demands met.

And then people turn around and say Obama’s just as much to blame.

Complete and utter lunacy.

242 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:17:26pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

It’s a matter of perspective and Woodward’s claim of moving the goalposts is dubious. From the Dem perspective the sequester should have made the the Republicans more willing to comprimise on raising revenue. Republicans are going to get most of the public blame if things go tits up. From the Republican perspective the Dems should be more willing to comprimise because Republicans have shown their willingness to kill the proverbial hostage. When either side’s expectations aren’t met they’re going to claim moved goalposts.
From my perspective I don’t think Beohner is capable of striking a deal. He doesn’t have enough control over his own caucus. We’re at the exact same point we were with the last budget debate.They’ll find a way to kick the can down the road again. We’ll run out of time eventually.

So one could interpret this as:

Democrats, actually willing to have a discussion and compromise but all options need to be on the table
Republicans, do it our way or we’ll take the economy over the cliff

And if goalpost moving is a political claim, does that make Woodward a Republican? All of his reporting on this certainly seems to slant that direction.

243 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:17:49pm

re: #227 simoom

For those who haven’t heard, the GOP’s “solution” to the sequester is to let it happen, but to give Obama broad authority over where the cuts are made and how. In other words, they want to pass off blame for the cuts to him by making him responsible for who feels the pinch.

244 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:18:11pm

Its time like this when I wish the old fashioned Roman sequester was still in use.

245 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:19:40pm

re: #237 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Boehner can easily, easily, easily strike a deal, it’ll just not be one that the majority of Republicans will vote for. He could get the votes, as he did for the VAWA.

Precisely, if he deep-sixed the “Hastert Rule” and reached out to House Democrats, he could very easily reach a bipartisan deal. But it would also mean risking, if not sacrificing, his Speakership and we’ve seen so far that the man is not above destroying the country to save his own ass.

246 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:20:41pm

re: #220 erik_t

/clears throat/

I think he’d best hope that he gets along well with goats because that’s who he’ll be sorted with…

247 simoom  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:21:37pm

re: #243 Targetpractice

For those who haven’t heard, the GOP’s “solution” to the sequester is to let it happen, but to give Obama broad authority over where the cuts are made and how.

I haven’t really looked at it, but it’s hard to believe there aren’t massive caveats to the discretion they allow. There are all kinds of Pentagon boondoggle programs the WH has been trying to cut for years, but that are politically impossible for congress to axe. I just don’t see them giving the President absolute authority to decide what stays and what goes.

248 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:21:47pm

Report: Obama Admin To File Supreme Court Brief In Support Of Gay Marriage

After first suggesting it would not get involved, the Obama administration will file a friend-of-the-court brief late today in support of the two gay couples who launched the fight over the issue four years ago, the officials said. Today is the last day for filing briefs in support of the couples’ position.

The administration last year signaled it might stay on the sidelines. In May, when President Obama first said that “same-sex couples should be able to get married,” he added that it was not a matter for the federal government.

See how much Obama hates Christianity!!!
///

249 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:22:40pm

re: #238 erik_t

More wool over their eyes than on every sheep in New Zealand.

Perhaps we could send each Republican congress critter a copy of Shaun the Sheep?

250 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:22:42pm

morning cuteness break!

251 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:23:14pm

re: #248 Kragar (Antichrist )

Report: Obama Admin To File Supreme Court Brief In Support Of Gay Marriage

See how much Obama hates Christianity!!!
///

From an administration that pushes a ban on gay marriage to this, this alone makes me happy that I voted for Obama over both Romney and McCain.

252 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:23:56pm

What did the Theocrats say about the CRA and LBJ?

253 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:24:00pm

re: #247 simoom

I haven’t really looked at it, but it’s hard to believe there aren’t massive caveats to the discretion they allow. There are all kinds of Pentagon boondoggle programs the WH has been trying to cut for years, but that are politically impossible for congress to axe. I just don’t see them giving the President absolute authority to decide what stays and what goes.

They won’t. They just want Obama to be the first to suggest them so that they can tantrum about the choices he offers, call him a traitor if there are defense cuts, and then just approve what they want anyways. The responsibility originates with Congress, not the White House. They just want a scapegoat since they have painted themselves into a corner in regards to their base.

254 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:24:29pm

re: #247 simoom

I haven’t really looked at it, but it’s hard to believe there aren’t massive caveats to the discretion they allow. There are all kinds of Pentagon boondoggle programs the WH has been trying to cut for years, but that are politically impossible for congress to axe. I just don’t see them giving the President absolute authority to decide what stays and what goes.

That’s why you’re seeing “Nay” votes on it, McCain and several others have expressed skepticism if not outright horror over the leadership’s idea of giving that sort of power over to the guy they’ve spent years hating with a fiery passion hotter than the blazes of a thousand suns.

255 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:24:45pm

re: #253 Feline Fearless Leader

They won’t. They just want Obama to be the first to suggest them so that they can tantrum about the choices he offers, call him a traitor if there are defense cuts, and then just approve what they want anyways. The responsibility originates with Congress, not the White House. They just want a scapegoat since they have painted themselves into a corner in regards to their base.

truth!

256 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:25:42pm

Did somebody say goats?

257 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:26:15pm

Win:

258 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:28:10pm

re: #257 Interesting Times

Win:

I am glad Scalia said what he did because it needs to be pointed out that nearly every Republican presidential candidate seems to see this guy as what a Supreme Court justice should be. Honestly, while he’s obviously learned in the law, I wouldn’t even want Scalia to be a trial judge. His agenda and biases are that bad.

259 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:28:19pm

And predictably, the Senate GOP filibustered the Democratic alternative to the sequester. Everybody strap in, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.

260 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:29:12pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

He’s gotten worse.

261 chadu  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:30:08pm

re: #165 FemNaziBitch

I know I can be dense, at times :0. Would someone please explain the etymology of sequester as it relates to the current situation?

Courtesy of Jim Wright:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

In the context of the US Congress, sequester is defined as an act of lewd acrobats involving a senator, a underage prostitute, a tube of KY-Jelly, and a squid.

What?

OK, you got me, I might have just made up that last bit.

262 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:30:38pm

LaBarbera: Gay Rights Legal Brief Is a ‘Tool of Repression’

In an interview with the American Family Association’s news affiliate Instant Analysis (formerly OneNewsNow), Peter LaBarbera of Americans For Truth About Homosexuality condemned the large group of corporations that joined legal briefs asking the Supreme Court to overturn the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and Proposition 8.

LaBarbera blasted the corporations for “pushing homosexuality on the American public,” calling the amicus brief “a tool of repression against Christians and people of faith who simply want their right to not support homosexuality.” He claimed that if the Supreme Court rules against Prop 8, “that will be a sad day for American freedom” and “a disaster,” as deciding who should have the freedom to marry “should be left up to citizens.”

Except if those citizens happen to homosexuals, of course.

263 Killgore Trout  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:30:44pm

re: #242 klys

So one could interpret this as:

Democrats, actually willing to have a discussion and compromise but all options need to be on the table
Republicans, do it our way or we’ll take the economy over the cliff

And if goalpost moving is a political claim, does that make Woodward a Republican? All of his reporting on this certainly seems to slant that direction.

It’s possible that he’s a Republican but he does seem to think Obama could have offered up something that the Republicans would have compromised on. I think it’s a mistake to assume that anyone with a differing opinion is an enemy agent. He was plenty tough on Bush and I don’t think all of his criticisms were valid. In today’s environment a lot of people lose perspective and it’s important to remember that not everyone else is dedicated to around the clock partisan propaganda.

264 Political Atheist  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:31:04pm

re: #256 Charles Johnson

Then there were the goats on the other side of the fence… Fainting Goats

265 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:31:31pm

Screaming goat videos. I’m into it.

266 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:32:11pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

It’s possible that he’s a Republican but he does seem to think Obama could have offered up something that the Republicans would have compromised on. I think it’s a mistake to assume that anyone with a differing opinion is an enemy agent. He was plenty tough on Bush and I don’t think all of his criticisms were valid. In today’s environment a lot of people lose perspective and it’s important to remember that not everyone else is dedicated to around the clock partisan propaganda.

So then he’s not only an idiot, he’s a gullible idiot.

267 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:32:24pm

The ultimate goat edition.

268 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:33:05pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

He was plenty tough on Bush

Like his absolute acceptance, 100%, of the WMD case. He really held Bush’s feet to the fire on that one.

269 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:34:37pm

re: #265 Charles Johnson

Screaming goat videos. I’m into it.

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BOB! BOB!

270 Varek Raith  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:34:53pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

It’s possible that he’s a Republican but he does seem to think Obama could have offered up something that the Republicans would have compromised on. I think it’s a mistake to assume that anyone with a differing opinion is an enemy agent. He was plenty tough on Bush and I don’t think all of his criticisms were valid. In today’s environment a lot of people lose perspective and it’s important to remember that not everyone else is dedicated to around the clock partisan propaganda.

Willful ignorance is lame.
And you show it in bulk.

271 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:35:13pm
272 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:35:14pm

Southern Baptist leader: Liberals ‘ostracized’ the KKK and homophobes will be next

Richard Land — who is in charge of addressing social, moral, and ethical concerns as president of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission — said he wouldn’t approve of his gay and lesbian friends join the Boy Scouts.

“We’re not talking about ostracizing people,” Land argued. “They know that I do not approve of their lifestyle, they know that I believe the Bible does not approve of their lifestyle. But that does not give me any reason to treat them any differently than I would anyone else when it comes to the workplace or when it comes to social activities. But the Boy Scouts have a right to have an association.”

LGBT activists, however, are not as tolerant of others, according to Land.

“They do not believe in a live and let live philosophy,” the Southern Baptist leader explained. “Let’s be very clear about what their agenda is, their agenda is to have the homosexual lifestyle affirmed by society as healthy and normal and as a perfectly acceptable to young people and to have those who disagree with that ostracized the level of being Ku Klux Klansmen.”

First they came for the KKK, and I did nothing…
///

273 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:35:27pm

re: #262 Kragar (Antichrist )

LaBarbera: Gay Rights Legal Brief Is a ‘Tool of Repression’

Except if those citizens happen to homosexuals, of course.

Should be left up to citizens. Yeah, that’s why people like LaBarbera totally accept what states like Maryland and others have done when they’ve left it up to voters. Oh no, they don’t, they do this shit.

274 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:35:43pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

it’s important to remember that not everyone else is dedicated to around the clock partisan propaganda.

No, not everyone, but sometimes your posting makes us wonder.

275 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:36:05pm

I HAZ A COMPROMIZED ALREDDY

nao i gets all the rest of the cookies

276 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:36:21pm

re: #260 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

He’s gotten worse.

And is only going to continue to do so.

277 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:37:26pm
278 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:38:16pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

It’s possible that he’s a Republican but he does seem to think Obama could have offered up something that the Republicans would have compromised on. I think it’s a mistake to assume that anyone with a differing opinion is an enemy agent. He was plenty tough on Bush and I don’t think all of his criticisms were valid. In today’s environment a lot of people lose perspective and it’s important to remember that not everyone else is dedicated to around the clock partisan propaganda.

I’m not exactly sure I would have described him as tough on Bush.

I think it is important to understand the underlying biases of the people who are writing these stories. It doesn’t make him an ‘enemy agent’ to say that he is a Republican but it does explain the slant and willingness to overlook things that certainly seem to be present in the most recent brouhaha. The article you linked said that he thrives on opposition. It’s possible that that’s also what’s driving his current set of positions. Still, I’d rather understand what the biases are (because they seem to be leaking through, based on the read of the facts and the “goalpost moving” argument) so I can evaluate accordingly.

279 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:38:55pm

re: #272 Kragar (Antichrist )

Southern Baptist leader: Liberals ‘ostracized’ the KKK and homophobes will be next

First they came for the KKK, and I did nothing…
///

Well when you guys suggest that it’s okay to torment people because they’re gay and that gay citizens are demons, yes, you’re going to get ostracized like the KKK and you deserve every insult that goes your way. I like how he claims that gays and gay rights activists are the real intolerant ones. Remind me, which group supported a woman getting her job back who was fired for signing an anti gay referendum. I can’t imagine anti gay bigots like Richard Land offering anything close to the same compassion to someone pro gay. Quite the contrary actually.

280 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:40:28pm

Anti gay bullies in this country come from the same culture of intolerance that brought us the Know Nothings, people who wanted “segregation now and forever”, etc.

281 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:42:31pm

re: #272 Kragar (Antichrist )

Southern Baptist leader: Liberals ‘ostracized’ the KKK and homophobes will be next

First they came for the KKK, and I did nothing…
///

Haters gotta hate.

*grr*

282 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:42:46pm

bbl

283 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:43:47pm

Ex-Gay Advocates Claim Homosexuality Is Caused By Parental Abuse

Several fringe conservative groups have filed amicus briefs in the case challenging California’s ban on ex-gay therapy for minors. These groups rely solely on their own subjective research to defend individual’s right to try to change their sexual orientation if they wish to, conveniently disregarding that the anti-gay stigma they promote is the only reason anybody has negative feelings about their sexual orientation in the first place. Among the amici is the so-called American College of Pediatricians (ACP), an impostor organization of social conservatives that won’t even admit how few members it has. Unlike the LGBT-supporting 60,000-member American Academy of Pediatricians they hope to be mistaken for, the College peddles junk science to defend ex-gay therapy, including that homosexuality is caused directly by trauma. Here’s how they explain it in their brief:

These children need therapy for the trauma, not affirmation of a “gay identity.” Trauma (as an objective, measurable external event) lends itself to quantitative research and has been studied relative to homosexuality. One example of this is the disproportionate extent of sexual abuse during the childhoods of adult homosexuals. Another example is the increased association of homosexuality and gender identity disorder with parental separation at critical developmental stages.

There are also two forms of psychological trauma commonly associated with homosexuality. The first is the trauma caused by the child’s subjective experience of the same-sex parent’s lack of availability, rejection, or even harsh verbal, physical, or sexual attack. This may lead to an intense longing for love from the same-sex parent that is eventually sexualized by the child. Similarly, psychological trauma may also be caused by the child’s subjective experience of the opposite-sex parent’s lack of availability, rejection, or even harsh verbal, physical, or sexual attack. This may lead to an intense fear of and aversion toward opposite-sex relationships. In both situations, by objective standards, the parent may or may not be described in these terms.

While these traumas are unusually common in the childhoods of same-sex attracted persons, they are not universal, and in many cases, other, less typical traumas may be present. This reflects the inherent complexity of the interaction between one’s biologically influenced temperament, various environmental factors and the free-will choices individuals make.

The primary citation for most of these bogus claims is not even a scientific research paper, but a book called Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth, which was written by Orthodox Jewish psychiatrist Jeffrey Satinover and published by evangelical Christian publisher Baker Books. Satinover compares homosexuality to alcoholism and pedophilia, describing it as a compulsion instead of an identity.

284 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:44:32pm

wait, this gets me.

While VAWA is langulishing in the House, Fox did nothing, yet an Animal Cruelty Bill is proposed in Alabama!

So, non-white women, ok to abuse, dogs, NO.

Am I getting that right?

285 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:45:33pm

re: #221 geoffm33

Stocks Add to Gains, Dow Closes in on All-Time High

Worst. Socialist. Ever.

He’s just lulling Wall Street into a false sense of security.

286 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:46:43pm

re: #285 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

He’s just lulling Wall Street into a false sense of security.

Just like he is lulling the NRA by doing nothing to seize guns.

287 Interesting Times  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:47:17pm
288 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:47:35pm

I gotta say, this whole “pox on both houses” bit, which is dove-tailing with “Obama needs to lead!,” is getting rather tiresome. Because every time I ask the supposed “centrists” who blather away about such what they’d like done, they tell me that they want both sides to come together and come up with a compromise plan that accommodates both sides. Yet they refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats have been preaching a balanced course for months now, that Obama ran on such during his reelection bid, and there is a Senate bill to that effect that the GOP just filibustered.

Cognitive dissonance is one thing, willful ignorance is entirely another. Neither of which I find appealing or intellectually honest.

289 erik_t  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:49:28pm

re: #285 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

He’s just lulling Wall Street into a false sense of security.

The command economy shall be implemented in the third term. Spread the word! #TGDN

290 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:50:40pm

Everyone knows Obama’s going to abolish the 2nd amendment and replace it with an amendment that requires everyone must be either gay, atheist, or Muslim. And that failure to comply means you get your guns taken away and the President evilly chuckles while he throws you and your family in a gulag gas chamber.

291 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:51:34pm
292 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:56:02pm

re: #291 Kragar (Antichrist )

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I didn’t think it physically possible, to stuff a man’s head that far up his own ass.

293 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 12:59:38pm

re: #291 Kragar (Antichrist )

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Heh they want to make this into something so bad and by this time next month, the only people talking about it anymore will be angry wingnuts like this guy. Of course, that will be their proof of the conspiracy. The WH staffer in question didn’t even act like a jerk. He was actually cordial with Woodward and Wodoward’s reply letter proves that but hey let’s act like Obama’s a big mean thug because we’re still bitter that we have to have him as President for the near 35 months.

294 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:01:02pm

So yeah, apparently Fox is now going with the “He thought it was a threat, that’s all that matters” angle:

Fox News’ Megyn Kelly: Woodward Being Treated Like A ‘Rookie’ Reporter

“We’re in a situation where you’ve got a respected journalist whose career is taking hits by the day because he has so many people piling on,” Kelly said. “And they’re treating him like he’s some rookie reporter who doesn’t know when he’s been threatened. Of course Bob Woodward had that email from Gene Sperling. And of course he read the whole thing and he knows what he wrote back. The question is whether he believed it was a threat when he perceived it. What he told CNN was, yes, that’s what I thought. I believed that was a threat to me. But we’re supposed to believe he’s too immature, as a reporter, to know what’s a threat and what’s not, given a long history with this senior White House aide.”

295 makeitstop  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:01:53pm

re: #263 Killgore Trout

He was plenty tough on Bush

Tell me another one.

296 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:04:29pm

re: #276 HappyWarrior

And is only going to continue to do so.

Probably because he was hoping to retire and have a pub pres to replace him. Now he can’t retire for at least another 4 years and he’s going to make everyone suffer right along with him. Asshole.

297 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:05:31pm

You got to love all the “concern” for Bob Woodward from people who probably till this story broke resented him for Watergate and bringing down poor Nixon. Really, look at the actual letter between Woodward and the staffer, it’s obvious that it wasn’t a threat. The man is even apologizing for losing his cool with Woodward. But no we have to turn this into another fake controversy where the right wingers in the media act like Obama is so terrible and how could he do this. I admit, I initially thought reading the story that the staffer may have acted like a jerk but it seems hie was doing the total opposite. When you got Erick Erickson, Bryron York, and the Daily Caller admitting that this really is a whole lot of nothing. It’s time to back down and admit that maybe just maybe that you went a bridge too far on this instead of looking for the next bridge in the distance that’s even further.

298 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:06:21pm

re: #288 Targetpractice

I gotta say, this whole “pox on both houses” bit, which is dove-tailing with “Obama needs to lead!,” is getting rather tiresome. Because every time I ask the supposed “centrists” who blather away about such what they’d like done, they tell me that they want both sides to come together and come up with a compromise plan that accommodates both sides. Yet they refuse to acknowledge that the Democrats have been preaching a balanced course for months now, that Obama ran on such during his reelection bid, and there is a Senate bill to that effect that the GOP just filibustered.

Cognitive dissonance is one thing, willful ignorance is entirely another. Neither of which I find appealing or intellectually honest.

That’s cuz they’re not centrists. They’re republicans who are too embarrassed to admit that.

299 Targetpractice  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:08:04pm

re: #298 leftynyc

That’s cuz they’re not centrists. They’re republicans who are too embarrassed to admit that.

Nah, those are “independents.” Most “centrists” I run into are Democrats in denial, afraid to support the party for fear of being branded “liberal” and all the evil connotations thereof.

300 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:08:41pm

re: #297 HappyWarrior

You got to love all the “concern” for Bob Woodward from people who probably till this story broke resented him for Watergate and bringing down poor Nixon. Really, look at the actual letter between Woodward and the staffer, it’s obvious that it wasn’t a threat. The man is even apologizing for losing his cool with Woodward. But no we have to turn this into another fake controversy where the right wingers in the media act like Obama is so terrible and how could he do this. I admit, I initially thought reading the story that the staffer may have acted like a jerk but it seems hie was doing the total opposite. When you got Erick Erickson, Bryron York, and the Daily Caller admitting that this really is a whole lot of nothing. It’s time to back down and admit that maybe just maybe that you went a bridge too far on this instead of looking for the next bridge in the distance that’s even further.

Wingnuttia has already established that there is no turning around (since that admits the possibility of error), the rear-view mirrors were stolen from a Fun House, and that if they ever meet William Shatner they will mistake him for their creator.

301 leftynyc  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:09:22pm

re: #299 Targetpractice

Nah, those are “independents.” Most “centrists” I run into are Democrats in denial, afraid to support the party for fear of being branded “liberal” and all the evil connotations thereof.

Interesting. I don’t know anyone who is afraid of being branded a liberal. But I live in NY so what do I know ;-)

302 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:10:33pm

re: #301 leftynyc

Interesting. I don’t know anyone who is afraid of being branded a liberal. But I live in NY so what do I know ;-)

You’re lucky that it hasn’t become a dirty word in your part. It should have never became a pejorative in the first place. Yet another reason to resent right wing talk radio but that’s another story.

303 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:28:42pm

re: #286 Kragar (Antichrist )

Just like he is lulling the NRA by doing nothing to seize guns.

I almost said that myself.

304 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 1:37:50pm

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

I await the first business owner being sued for not accepting gold.

Please make sure your business can properly gauge gold content and purity and weight before accepting any gold coins.

Going to be some damn long grocery store lines. Will make them long for the days when someone would pull out a checkbook.

305 JeffFX  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 5:03:41pm

re: #16 simoom

Daily Caller: “Bob Woodward trolled us (and we got played)”

The wingnuts commenting under the article now think Daily Caller is part of the coverup. These people absolutely refuse to engage with reality. The whole comment section is filled with complete lunatics.

306 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 5:20:17pm

But of course the Black thug from Chicago would threaten the nice elderly White man. Why are we doubting this?

I guess Woodward has no choice but to double/triple down on his lie. Pathetic.

307 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:33:44pm

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

To: jsanders2001

The mods will probably pull this. For some reason Obama’s gay past is tabo at freerepublic.

9 posted on Thursday, February 28, 2013 6:58:20 AM by BO Stinkss
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

308 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:43:55pm

re: #192 Kragar (Antichrist )

I await the first business owner being sued for not accepting gold.

Please make sure your business can properly gauge gold content and purity and weight before accepting any gold coins.

Can’t the cashiers just bite them, like they do in the movies?


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Randall Gross
Android Crypto Blunder Exposes Users to Highly Privileged Malware
The majority of devices running Google's Android operating system are susceptible to hacks that allow malicious apps to bypass a key security sandbox so they can steal user credentials, read e-mail, and access payment histories and other sensitive data, ...

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Outside Money Drives a Deluge of Political Ads
WASHINGTON -- An explosion of spending on political advertising on television -- set to break $2 billion in congressional races, with overall spots up nearly 70 percent since the 2010 midterm election -- is accelerating the rise of moneyed ...

1 day, 8 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
Washington, D.C., Handgun Carry Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional
I agree. Bans are not an option. Jurisdictions like DC will just have to deal with the fact that regulation is the path. Bans don't work. Bans are illegal and unwise. It's simple. we as a society have chosen to ...

2 days, 4 hours ago
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Romantic Heretic
Preventing Poverty Not Allowed As A Goal for Charity
The Canada Revenue Agency (Canada's equivalent of the IRS) has told OXFAM Canada that it cannot list 'preventing poverty' as a goal, only 'alleviating' it. The reason is "Relieving poverty is charitable, but preventing it is not." This is just ...

4 days, 5 hours ago
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FemNaziBitch
Safer Era Tests Wisdom of ‘Broken Windows’ Focus on Minor Crime
While the apparent chokehold fueled much of the initial public outcry, community leaders have begun asking whether focusing police officers so intently on such petty offenses makes sense in a city that is far different and far safer than ...

4 days, 12 hours ago
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Mentis Fugit
Frisson
Over at the quirky Riddled blog, I encountered this music video link. I have the album, but I had last listened long ago, and I had forgotten the lyrics. The lengthy, moody intro slowly drew me back thirty five years, ...

6 days, 22 hours ago
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BadExampleMan
The painful futility of war
This makes me furious. These men pledged their loyalty to their country and their country betrayed them. It treated them as disposable, throwing their lives away in a war that was premised on lies, that was chosen gleefully, and that ...

1 week, 1 day ago
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MichaelJ
Mick Fanning Wins J-Bay Open 2014
More: MICK FANNING WINS J-BAY OPEN Finals day for the contest was run in perfect Supertubes conditions. Too bad Kelly Slater and Jordy Smith were eliminated in lesser quality surf - it would have been amazing to have both of ...

1 week, 2 days ago
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Thrazidun
Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva
More: Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva

1 week, 4 days ago
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GlutenFreeJesus
Gotta love Chicago
Admittedly, I only started following these guys in the past year or two. They have been in the Chicago scene for awhile. And I kick myself after every show for not following them sooner. For any fans of Led Zeppelin, ...

1 week, 4 days ago
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 Frank says:

The gorilla is on an island,eats bananas and has a good time all day long. He plays out there in the bushes. Some Americans find out about the gorilla and they hear how BIG he is - you know.They're very impressed with the size of the beast. So they catch the gorilla & they stick him in a boat & bring him back to the US. They show him off to everybody & make a bunch of money. ...Then they kill him ! -- The song King Kong.1968 tour Wisconsin.