Video: The Making of John Mayer’s ‘Born and Raised’ Artwork

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David A. Smith is a traditional sign-writer/designer specialising in high-quality ornamental hand-crafted reverse glass signs and decorative silvered and gilded mirrors. David recently produced a wonderful turn-of-the-century, trade-card styled album cover for popular American singer/songwriter John Mayer.

This film captures the ‘Behind The Scenes’ creation of the ‘Born & Raised’ and ‘Queen of California’ artwork, as well as 2 unique reverse glass panels, hand-crafted in England by David A. Smith.

Music by John Mayer johnmayer.com
A Film by Danny Cooke dannycooke.co.uk
Featuring David A. Smith davidadriansmith.com
Special Thanks to Sony Music and Columbia Records

To watch David’s original documentary, vimeo.com/14985356

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501 comments
1 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 6:41:50pm

A design client with good taste and the willingness to pay for the work is a rare and wonderful thing.

2 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:16:12pm

re: #1 jaunte

This is a fantastic short film. I started watching, kind of expecting to lose interest, but ended up watching the whole thing straight through.

3 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:21:43pm
4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:25:41pm

re: #3 Gus

The Pope’s final address to the Cardinals:

“Fuck you, fuck you, you’re cool, fuck you. I’m out.”

5 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:30:16pm

Surprised about how quiet it got about Bob Woodderp considering he was on Hannity tonight.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:34:47pm

re: #5 Gus

Surprise about how quiet it got about Bob Woodderp considering he was on Hannity tonight.

They’re waiting till people forget about it before they start referencing their version of events again.
/

7 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:35:59pm

Outrage!

8 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:39:32pm

Freep finally documents Obama’s War on Marriage

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]


I love to imagine Obama going to weddings dressed like Rambo and lobbing grenades at cakes and diving behind buffets and shooting machine guns at presents.

9 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:40:40pm

Man Charged in Mayoral Candidate Murder

A 22-year-old man was charged with murder Thursday in the death of a mayoral candidate in the Mississippi Delta.

The Coahoma County Sheriff’s Department said in a news release that Lawrence Reed of Shelby was charged in the death of Marco McMillian. McMillian, 34, was a candidate for mayor of Clarksdale and was well-known in the community and beyond.

An investigation began Tuesday when a man crashed McMillian’s SUV into another car on U.S. Highway 49 near the Coahoma and Tallahatchie county lines. The candidate wasn’t in the car.

McMillian’s body was found near the Mississippi River levee Wednesday morning between Sherard and Rena Lara, Coahoma County Coroner Scotty Meredith has said.

The body was sent for an autopsy, and the cause of death hasn’t been made public.

The sheriff’s department has not released a possible motive for the crime.

10 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:42:24pm

re: #8 SpaceJesus

Freep finally documents Obama’s War on Marriage

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

I love to imagine Obama going to weddings dressed like Rambo and lobbing grenades at cakes and diving behind buffets and shooting machine guns at presents.

The Defense of Marriage Act is settled law and should not reviewed by the courts.

11 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:43:20pm

re: #10 Gus

So was not allowing women to vote, prohibition and segregation.

12 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:45:16pm

re: #10 Gus

you think a little thing like stare decisis will stop the anti-christ (obama)?

13 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:46:08pm

Christian belief was settled by the Catholic church and should not have been reviewed by Martin Luther.

/whammy

14 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:46:30pm

re: #12 SpaceJesus

you think a little thing like stare decisis will stop the anti-christ (obama)?

I think that would require God returning back to Earth. Of course that would signal the end-times baby!

15 blueraven  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:46:56pm

re: #5 Gus

Surprised about how quiet it got about Bob Woodderp considering he was on Hannity tonight.

The Staggeringly Bad Judgment Of Bob Woodward


“Well, he asked for it. He is a stenographer, who is very, very well connected to the old Washington (which Obama’s online political revolution disturbed), and a dutiful gatherer of whatever those in power say they do and have done. But after his implosion over the last 24 hours – exposed as a whiny liar by his own email – Chait puts the boot in:”

His more recent books often compile interesting facts, but how Woodward chooses to package those facts has come to represent a barometric measure of a figure’s standing within the establishment. His 1994 account of Bill Clinton’s major budget bill, which in retrospect was a major success, told a story of chaos and indecision. He wrote a fulsome love letter to Alan Greenspan, “Maestro,” at the peak of the Fed chairman’s almost comic prestige. In 2003, when George W. Bush was still a decisive and indispensable war leader, Woodward wrote a heroic treatment of the Iraq War. After Bush’s reputation had collapsed, Woodward packaged essentially the same facts into a devastating indictment. Woodward’s book on the 2011 debt negotiations was notable for arguing that Obama scotched a potential deficit deal. The central argument has since been debunked by no less a figure than Eric Cantor, who admitted to Ryan Lizza that he killed the deal.

16 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:54:43pm

re: #13 Kragar (Antichrist )

Christian belief was settled by the Catholic church and should not have been reviewed by Martin Luther.

/whammy

Three more and you’re eliminated.

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:57:24pm

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Three more and you’re eliminated.

Different whammy.

Youtube Video
18 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 7:58:01pm

re: #15 blueraven

The Staggeringly Bad Judgment Of Bob Woodward

“Well, he asked for it. He is a stenographer, who is very, very well connected to the old Washington (which Obama’s online political revolution disturbed), and a dutiful gatherer of whatever those in power say they do and have done. But after his implosion over the last 24 hours - exposed as a whiny liar by his own email - Chait puts the boot in:”

He should have never mentioned that email exchange with Sperling. What purpose did it serve? Other than perhaps to add some drama to the story which the media couldn’t resist running with? And since when was Bob Woodward elected the Great Policy Wonk of the 21st century. There’s a certain arrogance in the way he delivers those ideas. Like his critique of the sequester. OK, he made his point. But he was almost stomping his feet wanting people to agree with him.

19 HoosierHoops  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:01:06pm

re: #5 Gus

Surprised about how quiet it got about Bob Woodderp considering he was on Hannity tonight.

I thought he did a good job of accounting his claims about the Administration points. When Hannity claimed they were lying he pushed back..
I’ll review the taped 19 minute interview but to claim he is old and nuts and only wants to sell books is over the top. He gave his version of events as he reported. Did America forget that in darkness Democracy dies?

20 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:02:53pm

I’m not sure what to make of Woodward’s actions but this really was a whole lot of nothing. Seems like the journalist wanted to make himself the story. That’s always sad to see especially one who is a household name like Woodward.

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:04:49pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

I thought he did a good job of accounting his claims about the Administration points. When Hannity claimed they were lying he pushed back..
I’ll review the taped 19 minute interview but to claim he is old and nuts and only wants to sell books is over the top. He gave his version of events as he reported. Did America forget that in darkness Democracy dies?

The sounds like him. I get that some people here are annoyed with Bob Woodward right now, but he wasn’t simply flinging meat to the wingnuts, he really wasn’t.

22 Bubblehead II  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:09:47pm

Night Lizards. Watch out for the trip lines I left.

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:10:18pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

The sounds like him. I get that some people here are annoyed with Bob Woodward right now, but he wasn’t simply flinging meat to the wingnuts, he really wasn’t.

Yes, he really was. He claimed the White House threatened him. It was false.

24 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:10:57pm

Noted gangsta Gene Sperling.

25 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:12:30pm

Gene Sperling has a history of saying “take care” in an ominous tone of voice.

26 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:13:08pm

re: #25 jaunte

Gene Sperling has a history of saying “take care” in an ominous tone of voice.

The more he apologizes the more horrifying the threat becomes!

27 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:13:38pm

re: #25 jaunte

Gene Sperling has a history of saying “take care” in an ominous tone of voice.

“Good day” *ominous music*

28 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:17:37pm

Sperling touched Woodward’s swimsuit area with his eyes.

29 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:17:50pm

has drudge or breitbart posted a story about the black panthers breaking down woodward’s front door and benghaziing him yet

30 blueraven  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:19:34pm

re: #19 HoosierHoops

I thought he did a good job of accounting his claims about the Administration points. When Hannity claimed they were lying he pushed back..
I’ll review the taped 19 minute interview but to claim he is old and nuts and only wants to sell books is over the top. He gave his version of events as he reported. Did America forget that in darkness Democracy dies?

The White House and Woodward see things differently. But Woodward made this about him. I dont know his motivation, but on this he was wrong. He was wrong to go public with that email and he was wrong to imply a threat.

31 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:21:29pm

The thing that strikes me about this story is I think Woodward acted unprofessionally. He’s said that the email made him feel uncomfortable. Fair enough, but if he felt that, why the hell did he act like in the reply to Sperling that it was water under the bridge so to speak? That just seems to me to be common sense. If I feel threatened or like I am being made uncomfortable by someone, I tell them then and there, I don’t act like it’s not a big deal and then act like it is a big deal later. And honestly, I don’t see anyway to construe the email as a threat looking at the full original email by Sperling and Woodward’s response. Woodward deserves the criticism he’s getting here. His motivations be damned. Plus he has to know that this just feeds paranoia and will be eaten up by people like Hannity and others who want to believe anything negative about the administration.

32 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:22:47pm

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

The sounds like him. I get that some people here are annoyed with Bob Woodward right now, but he wasn’t simply flinging meat to the wingnuts, he really wasn’t.

He didn’t release the email or his response himself because he knew it didn’t back up his claims.

He lied, deliberately.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:23:08pm

Bob Woodward Agrees With Hannity: Journalists Should Ask Obama About Bill Ayers.

Yeah, right, he’s not trying to pander to the wingnuts. Not at all. Nope.

/

34 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:26:46pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Bob Woodward Agrees With Hannity: Journalists Should Ask Obama About Bill Ayers.

Yeah, right, he’s not trying to pander to the wingnuts. Not at all. Nope.

/

That’s really pathetic honestly. Really, Woodward, really? And Hannity proves that he’s about as predictable as a sunrise.

35 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:29:09pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Bob Woodward Agrees With Hannity: Journalists Should Ask Obama About Bill Ayers.

Yeah, right, he’s not trying to pander to the wingnuts. Not at all. Nope.

/

It seems I was in error. Questions to Obama about that shitbird Ayers would only be wasteful and unenlightening.

36 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:31:27pm

Oy. Can’t believe Jeffrey Goldberg just went there.

37 HoosierHoops  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:31:37pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Bob Woodward Agrees With Hannity: Journalists Should Ask Obama About Bill Ayers.

Yeah, right, he’s not trying to pander to the wingnuts. Not at all. Nope.

/

That bothers me Charles.. He went on Hannity. The most strident RW nut job on TV. I can’t believe I recorded it. But I did. I’ll review this Friday afternoon and post what I think..But for fucks sake.. Hannity?
Winston and I just ate a whole meat loaf and are laying in bed watching the science channel ready to fall in never never land..
Be well my friends and sweet dreams..
-The Hoopster

38 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:32:20pm

Sperling is a black belt in Kajukenbo and Soo Bahk Do.
Image: theSperlingThreat.jpg

39 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:37:19pm

Of course, if you’re a lefty and you’re criticizing Woodward for how he acted here, you’re a hypocrite because you can’t criticize Woodward and appreciate his journalism work in Watergate because it has to be absolute. Seriously, I really do appreciate Woodward’s work over the years but it’s really pathetic that he went on Hannity first of all and then gave Hannity, a man with his own history of associating with some shady characters fuel for his agenda. Has Sean Hannity ever uttered one positive word for Barack Obama and Barack Obama’s administration ever? Even once.

40 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:38:18pm

Why are people always doing that? They’ll observe that people will easily mock the Pope and the Catholic Church and constantly complain about why they don’t do the same about Islam and invariably bring up “because they [Catholics] won’t kill you if you mock their religion.

41 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:38:32pm

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

42 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:39:19pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

[Link: www.theonion.com…]

There’s actually a grain of truth in that but that’s satire for you.

43 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:40:21pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

do they make grains that big

44 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:41:29pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

do they make grains that big

Ha, true enough. I was actually surprised to read about some of his ineptitude in the past forty years. One hit wonder?

45 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:42:28pm

re: #36 Gus

Oy. Can’t believe Jeffrey Goldberg just went there.

Ugh. Douglas Murray pimping for anti-Muslim loon Lars Hedegaard. I thought Jeffrey Goldberg was wise to those people.

46 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:43:06pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

affirmative.

47 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:43:48pm

When a person says “they” in describing Muslims they’re putting everyone from Wahhabism to Secular Muslims in one box. That’s bigotry.

48 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:45:51pm

Good night, all.

49 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:48:14pm

Those people!

50 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:50:21pm
51 Charles Johnson  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:50:47pm
52 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:51:42pm

10 Examples Of Sean Hannity Saying Things That Aren’t True

53 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:51:48pm

i have no idea why monkey are still monkey

54 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:52:32pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

My answer “Because you’re an idiot, that’s why.”

55 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:53:23pm

If lions came from cats, why are there still cats?

56 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:54:17pm

if baby come from sausage why are there still chicken?

57 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:55:37pm

re: #52 Kragar (Antichrist )

10 Examples Of Sean Hannity Saying Things That Aren’t True

It’s what he does best. He’s a pathetic piece of crap.

58 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:55:49pm

re: #53 SpaceJesus

i have no idea why monkey are still monkey

I know the secret of why monkey are still monkey.

The secret are nut.

59 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:57:39pm

The idea that we may share a common ancestor with chimps, prosperous.
The idea that the earth was created in seven days and all the life we know was created on it, yeah!

60 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:58:20pm

If dogs came from wolves, why are there still wolves?

Oh, I know, Jesus.

61 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:59:16pm

If the monkey fits…

62 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:59:52pm

re: #60 Kragar (Antichrist )

If guns don’t kill people, people kill people…

Then toasters don’t toast toast, toast toasts toast.

63 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 8:59:55pm

If leather jackets come from cows why are there still cows?

64 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:00:33pm

If chickens come from eggs why are there still eggs?

65 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:01:25pm

Which came first, this question or the answer to it?

66 SpaceJesus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:03:15pm

monkey how does it work

67 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:04:01pm

Monkey changes everything.

68 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:05:08pm

What came first? The monkey or the funky?

69 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:05:18pm

Oh, my gosh. The kids are finally back under the care of their public school indoctrination. I still have to deal with huge puddles of melted snow tracked into the house.

70 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:06:24pm
71 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:07:20pm

re: #70 jaunte

Which department was in charge of the giant spiders?!?

72 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:09:03pm

re: #71 prairiefire

U. S. Fish & Wildlife Region 8, (Pacific Southwest).

73 jaunte  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:09:36pm

re: #71 prairiefire

‘Operation Spiderman’ Leads to Arrest of German Man on Federal Charges of Smuggling Tarantulas Into the U.S.
[Link: www.fws.gov…]

74 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:09:54pm

My in-laws ride the Hannity train. Although I’ve never caught them in the act, I’m starting to think my parents do too. It’s painful.

75 Stanley Sea  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:11:55pm

re: #72 jaunte

U. S. Fish & Wildlife Region 8, (Pacific Southwest).

just got their remodel job. La Jolla/San Diego.

heh

76 Kronocide  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:12:55pm

What GOP racism?

Party leaders, CAGOP chair denounce racist slurs targeting SF Sikh GOP candidate as terrorist sympathizer, “Taj Mahal princess”

77 engineer cat  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:13:23pm

re: #74 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

My in-laws ride the Hannity train. Although I’ve never caught them in the act, I’m starting to think my parents do too. It’s painful.

works better than geritol to angry up the blood and get th’ old pump exercised

altho i prefer swallowing a couple of raw jalapenos mself….

78 Montysano  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:15:22pm

Wow, I really enjoyed that film!

I’m 59 years old, a lifelong music fan, vinyl collector, and half-assed guitar player. Mayer’s new album shows real growth, and as always, his playing is just tremendous. As a bonus, the vinyl release is indeed a thing of beauty!

79 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:16:07pm

re: #71 prairiefire

Which department was in charge of the giant spiders?!?

Someone in Minnesota.

80 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:18:56pm

re: #71 prairiefire

Which department was in charge of the giant spiders?!?

Smith & Wesson

how is the evening so far?

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:19:48pm

MST3K - Giant Spider Invasion

Youtube Video
82 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:20:24pm

The Bob Woodward Trobbing Email

83 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:25:32pm

re: #77 engineer cat

That it does. It amazes me that these otherwise pretty normal ‘conservatives’ latch on to this horse shit for an instant outrage.

It’s really too bad. I spent an hour listening to my Pops go on about how the government is buying up all the hollow point bullets the other day.

These are actually pretty socially liberal people. I just don’t get it.

84 austin_blue  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:25:41pm

OT:

Principal oboist collapses with a brain hemorrhage during San Francisco symphony performance before packed audience
William Bennett, 56, was in the middle of a Richard Strauss’ Oboe Concerto on Saturday when he fell from his chair

He died today. The Principal Oboe is the left tackle of any orchestra, the individual who the orchestra is built around. Odd but true. Sending best thoughts to his kin and to his fellow players. Sad day.

85 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:27:13pm

Watching the video, I’m so pissed my hands don’t work anymore.

I’m so jealous of this artist because of that.

86 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:28:06pm

Alternate Version

87 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:29:53pm

re: #74 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

My in-laws ride the Hannity train. Although I’ve never caught them in the act, I’m starting to think my parents do too. It’s painful.

Mine do as well. Somehow that crazy lady made my husband, and still exists in the land of the crazy.

88 AlexRogan  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:30:25pm

re: #86 Gus

Alternate Version

Heh

89 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:31:14pm

re: #83 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

That it does. It amazes me that these otherwise pretty normal ‘conservatives’ latch on to this horse shit for an instant outrage.

It’s really too bad. I spent an hour listening to my Pops go on about how the government is buying up all the hollow point bullets the other day.

These are actually pretty socially liberal people. I just don’t get it.

They are “socially liberal”, but they are afraid? Why?

90 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:32:53pm

re: #86 Gus

Alternate Version

Regrets, I’ve had a few…

Youtube Video
91 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:34:38pm

Oh man, this craft is right up my alley. Combination of artist and artisan.

I am absolutely green with envy.

92 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:36:49pm

re: #91 FemNaziBitch

Oh man, this craft is right up my alley. Combination of artist and artisan.

I am absolutely green with envy.

Which craft?

93 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:37:07pm

re: #90 Kragar (Antichrist )

Regrets, I’ve had a few…

[Embedded content]

Version 2

94 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:39:32pm

Very cool work. And the artist is correct, we are losing many skills. Even working with gold leaf (which isn’t that hard—and which effects cannot be reproduced any other way) are being lost.

Even Xacto knives are becoming a thing of the past —technical pens, etc. All the tools we was working with are pretty much all mail order now.

These are things I learned to use from my engineer father. I’m not even sure engineering students learn to draft the old fashioned way anymore.

95 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:40:48pm

re: #92 prairiefire

Which craft?

all of it. Mostly the drawing and rendering they showed him doing. I miss the detail work. I miss turning an idea from a draft drawing into a finished product-BY HAND.

I’m learning photography and photoshop now and it is very kewl, but it just isn’t the same as sitting at the drafting board and sweating out each little detail.

96 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:42:29pm
Youtube Video

HANNITY: The fact that the president was never asked a lot about the 6 trillion in debt that he accumulated prior to this election, in this first election wasn’t asked about his association with Bill Ayers was troublesome to me, I think we’ve got a media that’s not as critical as perhaps it once was in, for example, the days of Watergate.

WOODWARD: Well, I agree with that. We need to be very aggressive and it’s one of the judges that said democracies die in darkness and I really think that’s true.

97 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:43:48pm

re: #89 prairiefire

Don’t know. I’m not even sure they’re afraid. They’re all pretty much set. They just seem to enjoy being outraged and taking a huge dump on the cartoon version they have of ‘liberals’.

I think they actually enjoy the outrage. Fox News, and right-wing internets helps them feel special. Stature, and all that they think comes with it I suppose.

98 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:45:46pm

re: #95 FemNaziBitch

all of it. Mostly the drawing and rendering they showed him doing. I miss the detail work. I miss turning an idea from a draft drawing into a finished product-BY HAND.

I’m learning photography and photoshop now and it is very kewl, but it just isn’t the same as sitting at the drafting board and sweating out each little detail.

I dunno. We’re so poor broke, my gal has to use a pen./ I mean, we never buy the new tech. And she is usually 5 paces ahead of us. There is a desire from the other broke artists I know to treasure the hand dawn, the remembered.

99 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:47:08pm

re: #97 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)

Yes, they could quite well enjoy the camaraderie of like minded opinions.

100 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:51:11pm

Last I checked teh mainstream media barely gave a shit about the reasoning behind the Iraq War.

101 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:53:02pm

re: #100 Gus

Last I checked teh mainstream media barely gave a shit about the reasoning behind the Iraq War.

it was nearly 10 years ago. Kids are in college now, probably have little memory if it.

The whole post 9/11 mindset might as well be the Cold War to them.

102 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:53:54pm

If you haven’t seen this kid’s interview, check it out. direct link.

I posted a Page about it.

103 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:53:54pm

Give me a W!

An O!

Another O!

D!!

W!!

An A!!

R!!!

AND A D!!!!

WOOOOOOODWARRRDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

104 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:54:43pm

re: #103 dragonath

Give me a W!

An O!

Another O!

D!!

W!!

An A!!

R!!!

AND A D!!!!

WOOOOOOODWARRRDDD!!!!!!!!!!!

The Wingnuts love when a perceived Liberal turns traitor. They’ll be celebrating this for years.

105 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:55:29pm

re: #98 prairiefire

I dunno. We’re so poor broke, my gal has to use a pen./ I mean, we never buy the new tech. And she is usually 5 paces ahead of us. There is a desire from the other broke artists I know to treasure the hand dawn, the remembered.

What does she draw?

106 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:57:36pm
107 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:58:01pm

SEEEEEEAAAAAN HANNNNITY!

Hannity!!

YAY

108 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 9:59:30pm

re: #107 dragonath

SEEEEEEAAAAAN HANNNNITY!

Hannity!!

YAY

*spit*

109 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:00:00pm

re: #105 FemNaziBitch

Buildings, mostly.

110 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:00:04pm

Damn, iTunes won’t close and I can’t find any way to “Force Quit” System won’t shut down because ITunes won’t close.

HELP!!!

111 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:00:38pm

re: #107 dragonath

SEEEEEEAAAAAN HANNNNITY!

Hannity!!

YAY

SEEEEEEEAAAAAAANNNN!!!!

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112 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:01:14pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Damn, iTunes won’t close and I can’t find any way to “Force Quit” System won’t shut down because ITunes won’t close.

HELP!!!

Press and hold the power button, then power back up?

113 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:01:33pm

re: #110 FemNaziBitch

Damn, iTunes won’t close and I can’t find any way to “Force Quit” System won’t shut down because ITunes won’t close.

HELP!!!

Press the
“stop play’ button.

114 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:01:37pm

re: #109 prairiefire

Buildings, mostly.

Architectural Renderings? That’s mostly what I learned in college. I love it. I was working with Illuminations when the hands quit. Doing various celtic knotwork and other drawings with calligraphy—even got a small commission. Working with pen and ink as the final.

I dream this stuff.

115 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:02:03pm

SEAN AND GELLAR, SITTING IN A TREE

116 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:02:40pm

re: #113 prairiefire

Press the
“stop play’ button.

I can’t even get iTunes to show full screen, I just get the menu line at the very top of the screen. There doesn’t seem to be anything in it to help.

117 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:03:58pm

re: #114 FemNaziBitch

Aww, sweetie. If only you could have laid gold gilt on top! “Book Of Kells”. I still am not sure what my daughter dreams of.

118 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:04:18pm

Why would anyone be fool enough to give-up Girl Scout Cookies for Lent? —and then complain about it on fb?

119 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:05:58pm

re: #117 prairiefire

Aww, sweetie. If only you could have laid gold gilt on top! “Book Of Kells”. I still am not sure what my daughter dreams of.

I have worked with it—nothing works like gold leaf.

NOTHING.

It is why the old Illuminations are still vibrant. Just think of some Missionary in the hinterlands standing before the barbaric illiterate natives and holding up an Illuminated Manuscript in candlelight or the sun. It would have seemed like high magic to them. Good psychology for conversion.

120 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:08:02pm

re: #119 FemNaziBitch

Gold is still high magic to some people…

121 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:08:44pm

After 8 years under Bush looking the other way on the Patriot Act, waterboarding, Yellow Cake, Valerie Plame, FISA, CIA renditions. Coming up with excuses for Abu Ghraib. The mantra was “you’re either with us, or you were with the terrorists.” The mantra was “you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.”

122 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:11:01pm

re: #119 FemNaziBitch

You are right, dear heart. Start an “old craftsmen apprentice” web page for gold leaf!

123 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:11:12pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

Why would anyone be fool enough to give-up Girl Scout Cookies for Lent? —and then complain about it on fb?

I thought the whole purpose of FB was to let people know what an idiot you were.

124 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:11:23pm

re: #120 dragonath

Gold is still high magic to some people…

Myself included.

125 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:11:27pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

Why would anyone be fool enough to give-up Girl Scout Cookies for Lent? —and then complain about it on fb?

You offered to take them off their hands, just to remove temptation, right?

126 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:11:34pm

7 years of which anyone that was even slightly critical of the president was met with “well you must be on the side of the terrorists.”

127 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:12:16pm

re: #121 Gus

After 8 years under Bush looking the other way on the Patriot Act, waterboarding, Yellow Cake, Valerie Plame, FISA, CIA renditions. Coming up with excuses for Abu Ghraib. The mantra was “you’re either with us, or you were with the terrorists.” The mantra was “you have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.”

“You don’t want to have a background check before you buy a gun? You a commie Muslim atheist or something? Why do you hate America?”
/

128 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:12:20pm

re: #126 Gus

7 years of which anyone that was even slightly critical of the president was met with “well you must be on the side of the terrorists.”

I got my honorary Friends of Hamas badge somewhere in there, didn’t you?

129 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:12:50pm

Is there a Mac version of the Windows Task Manager (Cntrl+Shift+esc)?

130 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:13:31pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

Is there a Mac version of the Windows Task Manager (Cntrl+Shift+esc)?

In Spotlight, search for Activity Manager.

I don’t know if there was a keyboard shortcut, that’s how I always pulled it up.

131 gwangung  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:13:38pm

re: #129 FemNaziBitch

Is there a Mac version of the Windows Task Manager (Cntrl+Shift+esc)?

That’s activity monitor, in the utilities folder. Dunno if you can get to it.

132 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:13:46pm

re: #125 klys

You offered to take them off their hands, just to remove temptation, right?

NO, I won’t have them in the house. I check “donate the troops” on my order form and just submit a check. I figure it’s a win-win.

133 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:14:42pm

re: #121 Gus

I seem to remember a period when almost everything was being described under “national security”. The Administration, I believe, was trying to push for a massive, centralized power line (through a national park, no less) after the New York blackout.

I thought the main reason for such a massive blackout was that the system was not decentralized enough, but hey, “national security”.

134 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:14:58pm

re: #128 klys

I got my honorary Friends of Hamas badge somewhere in there, didn’t you?

Nah. I was kind of one of the assholes towards the latter half. I wasn’t so bad since I have a big empathy bone. I remember coming here during late 2008 and was kind of floored. There I was basically supporting McCain. Got called an Obamabot or something once.

135 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:15:39pm

re: #132 FemNaziBitch

NO, I won’t have them in the house. I check “donate the troops” on my order form and just submit a check. I figure it’s a win-win.

I am a lifetime member of Girl Scouts (complements of my council on finishing my Gold Award*) and my mom ran cookie distribution for the service unit for several years. Somoas are heaven. I have none in the house and that makes me sad. :( I suspect I missed the neighborhood girls on their trip around this year.

* Gold Award landed me at least one phone interview that resulted in a summer internship.

136 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:15:50pm

re: #133 dragonath

I seem to remember a period when almost everything was being described under “national security”. The Administration, I believe, was trying to push for a massive, centralized power line (through a national park, no less) after the New York blackout.

I thought the main reason for such a massive blackout was that the system was not decentralized enough, but hey, “national security”

Big time. National security so shut up. The other was “we’re at war how can you say that about our president.”

137 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:16:56pm

re: #131 gwangung

That’s activity monitor, in the utilities folder. Dunno if you can get to it.

Ah, yes, problem solved.

Much thanks!

138 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:17:50pm

re: #135 klys

I am a lifetime member of Girl Scouts (complements of my council on finishing my Gold Award*) and my mom ran cookie distribution for the service unit for several years. Somoas are heaven. I have none in the house and that makes me sad. :( I suspect I missed the neighborhood girls on their trip around this year.

* Gold Award landed me at least one phone interview that resulted in a summer internship.

I had a roommate in college who was a life-long girl scout. She was very cool.

139 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:18:14pm

re: #134 Gus

Nah. I was kind of one of the assholes towards the latter half. I wasn’t so bad since I have a big empathy bone. I remember coming here during late 2008 and was kind of floored. There I was basically supporting McCain. Got called an Obamabot or something once.

I only discovered here after this year’s election. My husband’s read for a while.

That’s ok, because I suspect that earlier wouldn’t have gone well.

140 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:18:14pm

My school had a veterans day “celebration” with Toby Keith music and one of the “veterans” telling us that the reason we lost Vietnam was because we didn’t bomb the country back to the stone age.

I think I got called a communist too.

141 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:18:22pm

Jre: #136 Gus

Our president “the dick head”? That one one? Two unfunded wars with no exit strategy? That president?

142 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:19:29pm

re: #141 prairiefire

J

Our president “the dick head”? That one one? Two unfunded wars with no exit strategy? That president?

Shhhh, he can do no wrong.

///

Well, at least I would consider that sarcasm. My grandparents from Texas actually believed it. :(

143 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:19:54pm

re: #139 klys

I only discovered here after this year’s election. My husband’s read for a while.

That’s ok, because I suspect that earlier wouldn’t have gone well.

I had to take time-off after the 2008. I drowned my cognitive dissonance in Science Fiction for many months. When I came-up for air, I was much better prepared to take-on reality and leave the right-wing fantasy world behind.

It’s difficult being old.

144 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:20:39pm

10 years since Iraq in 15 days wow. ANd on that subject, I remember some of the biggest warhawks I knew in 10th grade. People who literally said crap like Nuke Iraq turning into Ron Paul fanboys in 2008. I was pretty obnoxious too but that war was a mistake IMO and I have no qualms whatsoever saying that. If not a mistake, it was very poorly planned.

145 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:21:05pm

re: #141 prairiefire

J

Our president “the dick head”? That one one? Two unfunded wars with no exit strategy? That president?

Yes, that one. I remember Chris Matthews being all amped up about the wars. Later he changed. Chris Olbermann was the antichrist. Dixie Chicks was shut down in some markets. Michael Moore was the antichrist. Heck, I was even an asshole to Austin Blue when he first got here.

146 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:22:09pm

re: #141 prairiefire

J

Our president “the dick head”? That one one? Two unfunded wars with no exit strategy? That president?

It’s hard to change from Cold War thinking. For many of us 9/11 just reinforced it and others joined it seeming to justify all that was done.

Hopefully more and more will wake-up to the accept the world as it is and the others will not to too much damage.

It’s kinda shocking to learn how many people are still fighting the Nazi’s in their head.

147 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:22:42pm

re: #145 Gus

Yes, that one. I remember Chris Matthews being all amped up about the wars. Later he changed. Chris Olbermann was the antichrist. Dixie Chicks was shit down in some markets. Michael Moore was the antichrist. Heck, I was even an asshole to Austin Blue when he first got here.

Michael Moore is still a propagandist. I still don’t support his work.

148 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:23:12pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

I guess I pretty much got ruined on Republicans when I got to see grown “adults” hurl insults at students who weren’t on their side. I try to keep an open mind, but damn.

149 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:06pm

re: #143 FemNaziBitch

I had to take time-off after the 2008. I drowned my cognitive dissonance in Science Fiction for many months. When I came-up for air, I was much better prepared to take-on reality and leave the right-wing fantasy world behind.

It’s difficult being old.

I …donated money to the Obama campaign after McCain announced Palin as his running mate. I was pretty incensed. First and only donation to a candidate I’ve ever made.

I will say, props on being able to examine your beliefs no matter what age. More people need to be able to do that and a lot of people don’t want to because it can be uncomfortable. I have a lot of respect for anyone who thinks about things critically. (I do reserve the right to still call them an idiot if I think they’re ignoring certain facts, but I can appreciate when someone’s at least trying.)

150 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:14pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Michael Moore is still a propagandist. I still don’t support his work.

Yeah. I just think people place too much importance too him. People that see him as a threat. He’s not a threat.

151 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:28pm

re: #148 dragonath

I guess I pretty much got ruined on Republicans when I got to see grown “adults” hurl insults at students who weren’t on their side. I try to keep an open mind, but damn.

Yeah I don’t blame you. I felt very frustrated with the bloodlust I saw leading up to and after Iraq started.

152 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:24:45pm

The rise in theocratic thinking is what truly scares me. These people want a holy war. There seems to be some core group of people in every faith that can’t see the world any other way.

153 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:25:48pm

re: #150 Gus

Yeah. I just think people place too much importance too him. People that see him as a threat. He’s not a threat.

No he’s not. I just can’t stand him —or O’Keefe.

154 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:09pm

And while I’m mentioning threats I also don’t see Hannity or Woodward as a threat either. I agree with Kerry, you’re allowed to be stupid in the USA. :D

155 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:26:52pm

re: #152 FemNaziBitch

The rise in theocratic thinking is what truly scares me. These people want a holy war. …

Youtube Video
156 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:27:05pm

Then on February 16, 2012, my path became crystal clear.

157 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:27:39pm

re: #147 FemNaziBitch

Michael Moore is still a propagandist. I still don’t support his work.

I figured out the game Moore was playing by 2004, when Fahrenheit 9/11 tried to indict Bush for doing business with the bin Laden family.

Stupid, xenophobic, and out of all the terrible things Bush was doing, he chose that topic to appeal to people’s senses.

158 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:28:25pm

re: #155 freetoken

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I love that song. I don’t know why. Like Christmas Hymns.

159 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:29:16pm

re: #156 FemNaziBitch

Then on February 16, 2012, my path became crystal clear.

I’ve always been sensitive on that issue because I’ve been on birth control for medical reasons since I was fairly young, and the thought that someone can deny me my medication (see some of the bullshit about religious exemption for pharmacists) infuriated me.

160 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:30:03pm

re: #146 FemNaziBitch

re: #145 Gus

I believe it is an evolution of thinking. Al Qaeda still wants to kills us. I think there are less of them, but we have to have the Middle East,particularly Afghanistan, sorted out. I think we will need to leave a strong footprint. And I think we will keep killing operatives with drone strikes.
I’m a hippie until my kids will be hurt. I think that makes me a Democrat.

161 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:30:41pm

re: #159 klys

I’ve always been sensitive on that issue because I’ve been on birth control for medical reasons since I was fairly young, and the thought that someone can deny me my medication (see some of the bullshit about religious exemption for pharmacists) infuriated me.

I grew-up going to Catholic School in the ’70s. I have a BIG issue with MEN telling me what to do.

162 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:30:46pm

re: #158 FemNaziBitch

I love that song. I don’t know why. Like Christmas Hymns.

It’s perhaps the most “American” song that I can identify.

Still, the very image of the Holy See and the Commander in Chief sitting listening to a theocratic song about fighting a war for God, during a period of actual fighting where the other side’s main complaint is about religion… well, it still is the high mark of peaking on my Irony Meter.

163 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:31:58pm

The primary season in 2008 was pretty insane too. I remember some guy telling me, point blank, that he didn’t like Obama because he was black.

That was back when that kind of thing still surprised me.

164 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:31:59pm

re: #160 prairiefire

re: #145 Gus

I believe it is an evolution of thinking. Al Qaeda still wants to kills us. I think there are less of them, but we have to have the Middle East,particularly Afghanistan, sorted out. I think we will need to leave a strong footprint. And I think we will keep killing operatives with drone strikes.
I’m a hippie until my kids will be hurt. I think that makes me a Democrat.

Al Qaeda wants to kill everyone that doesn’t play by their rules. I think the Muslim world has realized that now too. Luckily, there are more sane people on the globe than otherwise.

165 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:32:17pm

re: #157 dragonath

I figured out the game Moore was playing by 2004, when Fahrenheit 9/11 tried to indict Bush for doing business with the bin Laden family.

Stupid, xenophobic, and out of all the terrible things Bush was doing, he chose that topic to appeal to people’s senses.

It took me a while to realize how stupid that was. Reading that Steve Coll biography on the Bin Laden family helped a lot. I really had no idea that Moore had no idea what he was talking about. Yes, the Bushes and Bin Ladens did seem to have some connections but those family members weren’t terrorists either and Moore’s film portrayed an image of them being sympathetic towards their relative’s ideology. What turned me off frankly about Moore was his political actions in 2004. I had seen Bowling For Columbine and saw Moore’s criticism of Clinton for the Kosovo campaign which at that time I did think was wrong(have since changed my mind). Anyhow, when Moore endorsed Wes Clark for president, it just really soured me. There’s just something about the guy I don’t like. I don’t flip out over him obviously but he’s an obnoxious jerk IMO. Should clarify I am talking about Moore and not Wesley Clark here too.

166 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:34:39pm

re: #162 freetoken

It’s perhaps the most “American” song that I can identify.

Still, the very image of the Holy See and the Commander in Chief sitting listening to a theocratic song about fighting a war for God, during a period of actual fighting where the other side’s main complaint is about religion… well, it still is the high mark of peaking on my Irony Meter.

Yeah, I see that.

It’s a well done song and when well performed can really touch a person emotionally. Like George M. Cohen songs.

I watched a youtube showing a rendition of Les Mis songs from the orig stage production. The work of professional performers is an art.

167 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:37:59pm

This is so moving:

Youtube Video
168 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:39:07pm

As previously stated, by project for the year is genealogy, and I have been doing a lot of reading on genealogy and genetics sites.

One thing that stands out to me is how very, very, very important ethnicity is to so many people, that the very core of their identity, their actualize self, is centered of their ideas of “where they come from” or to what group/ethnos/race they belong.

And when you try to challenge that (what, me do that?) you can almost hear through the internet their hair bristle !

169 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:41:56pm

re: #167 FemNaziBitch

Not quite my cup of tea, but you might enjoy this:

Youtube Video
170 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:42:35pm

re: #168 freetoken

As previously stated, by project for the year is genealogy, and I have been doing a lot of reading on genealogy and genetics sites.

One thing that stands out to me is how very, very, very important ethnicity is to so many people, that the very core of their identity, their actualize self, is centered of their ideas of “where they come from” or to what group/ethnos/race they belong.

And when you try to challenge that (what, me do that?) you can almost hear through the internet their hair bristle !

Yeah, don’t get that. It seems that the one thing I learned thru all the religion schooling is that G-d doesn’t see that shit. At least that’s what I got out it.

Then again, I listened.

171 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:42:47pm

re: #165 HappyWarrior

There’s something slippery about the guy. Bowling for Columbine had a faux-South Park cartoon after an interview with Matt Stone. And if you really want to see something that aged poorly, check out that Rage Against the Machine video he directed that had Al Gore and George Bush as the same person.

172 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:44:17pm

re: #168 freetoken

As previously stated, by project for the year is genealogy, and I have been doing a lot of reading on genealogy and genetics sites.

One thing that stands out to me is how very, very, very important ethnicity is to so many people, that the very core of their identity, their actualize self, is centered of their ideas of “where they come from” or to what group/ethnos/race they belong.

And when you try to challenge that (what, me do that?) you can almost hear through the internet their hair bristle !

What’s interesting to me and partially because I do it is what hertiage people emphasize. I’ve read that Robert DeNiro for example considers himself Italian-American and emphasizes that part of his heritage the most when talking about himself. He’s actually more Irish than Italian and I believe as Dutch as he is Italian. I must admit to doing the same. I’m only a quarter Irish but I most identify as Irish-American. One of my tattoos is Irish themed. Yet despite the fact my surname is German, I rarely emphasize being German-American at all. I used to think it was partially guilt over German attrocities in WWII which may be part of it but I realize that it’s that the “Irish character” fits my personality more so than the “German character.” Silly I know.

173 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:45:22pm

re: #171 dragonath

There’s something slippery about the guy. Bowling for Columbine had a faux-South Park cartoon after an interview with Matt Stone. And if you really want to see something that aged poorly, check out that Rage Against the Machine video he directed that had Al Gore and George Bush as the same person.

Yeah, they were pissed and rightfully so since it did imply that they were behind that cartoon. I like Matt and Trey despite disagreeing them on some very important issues.

174 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:45:23pm

re: #169 Kragar (Antichrist )

Not quite my cup of tea, but you might enjoy this:

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sound quality is really bad on my computer. I can’t tell if I like it or not.

:(

175 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:46:50pm

OMG!

Youtube Video

this guy’s voice is amazing.

176 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:48:17pm

re: #175 FemNaziBitch

OMG!

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this guy’s voice is amazing.

I’ve always loved that song. I’ve song it a many a time but never anywhere close to this good.

177 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:50:16pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

What’s interesting to me and partially because I do it is what hertiage people emphasize.

Yup, that is something that I’ve noticed too.

Here are the biological facts (assuming no in-breeding):

You have 2 parents
4 grandparents
8 great grandparents
16 great great grandparents
32 great great great grandparents

That takes us back just to the early 19th century. Go back 10 generations and you are at 1024 ancestors, and so on.

Yet people will pick one particular belief (and it usually is just that - a belief - with little evidence) about where they “come from” and emphasize that.

It’s sort of like picking pizza toppings - has little to do with the essence of “pizza” and a whole lot to do with the person doing the ordering.

178 prairiefire  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:51:25pm

re: #168 freetoken

Our surname is English, but come to find out, we are way more German than English on my dad’s side. What does my dad say? “I ain’t no f##ing Nazi!” My dad is a bit more sophisticated than that, but you get the drift.

179 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:51:47pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I’ve always loved that song. I’ve song it a many a time but never anywhere close to this good.

I reviewed the wiki on him, he doesn’t seem have any formal singing training.

I think the song is a rite of passage for every tenor.

180 dragonath  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:53:05pm

re: #173 HappyWarrior

Ha, I really don’t want to obsess over Moore, but there a hilarious bit in one of his books where he totally freaks out over the fact that people are canoeing(!) in New York public reservoirs.

And for a guy who is so sensitive about public institutions, I believe he sent one of his kids to a private school.

181 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:53:59pm

re: #177 freetoken

Yup, that is something that I’ve noticed too.

Here are the biological facts (assuming no in-breeding):

You have 2 parents
4 grandparents
8 great grandparents
16 great great grandparents
32 great great great grandparents

That takes us back just to the early 19th century. Go back 10 generations and you are at 1024 ancestors, and so on.

Yet people will pick one particular belief (and it usually is just that - a belief - with little evidence) about where they “come from” and emphasize that.

It’s sort of like picking pizza toppings - has little to do with the essence of “pizza” and a whole lot to do with the person doing the ordering.

Mine I thought was fairly straight forward. 25% Irish, 25% German on Dad’s side and 25% Slovene, 25% Slovak on Mom’s. Then I did some research. Found a census that said my maternal grandmother’s maternal grandparents were actually born in Scotland not Ireland like we had always thought. And I suspect some stuff about my Slovak ancestors as well since my grandmother’s folks were Greek Catholics rather than Roman Catholics like what most of Slovakia is. And then there are family lore about the German side being so called Swiss-German. And there’s of course migration. I like your pizza analogy. I’m less Irish than my Dad and yet I emphasize it much more than he does.

182 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:55:11pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I’m an American.

It’s so much easier.

183 klys  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:55:44pm

Completely OT:

I gave the practice version of my dissertation defense to my lab group on Tuesday. Lots of feedback to be incorporated, but this is seriously the hardest presentation I’ve had to write in part because it is supposed to be reasonably accessible to the general (educated/intelligent) public.

So it is almost 11pm on Thursday and I am continuing to revise section #3 so I can pray that maybe I will get to finish.

184 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:00pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Mine I thought was fairly straight forward. 25% Irish, 25% German on Dad’s side and 25% Slovene, 25% Slovak on Mom’s.

Ah, but here is the question: What is “German”? Or, what is “Slovene”? And so forth.

I like your pizza analogy. I’m less Irish than my Dad and yet I emphasize it much more than he does.

As long as you don’t call yourself “Pineapple” you’ll be fine.

185 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:57:35pm

teehee

gomer pyle

Youtube Video
186 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:58:16pm

re: #184 freetoken

Eastern European? Western Steppes? Not Mongolian?

187 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:59:34pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

teehee

gomer pyle

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I actually remember grown-ups talking about Jim Nabors and “did you know he could sing like that?”

188 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 10:59:54pm

re: #182 FemNaziBitch

I’m an American.

It’s so much easier.

I consider myself that above all else too but I am interested to see where my ancestors came from. I’m also interested in other stuff like what they did for a living, what kind lives they lived, etc. There’s a photo in my family that is famous- one of my great great grandfather’s owned a blacksmtih shop in Pittsburgh. We had always known about this and seen the photo many times. A few years back, some of the few remaining family members in the city of Pittsburgh re-eneacted the photo and some research was done. Turns out that great great grandfather was murdered and the murderer never caught. He also was the first person to emigrate to America in my family to the best of my knowledge and a Civil War veteran. The particular heritage I could care less about though I do relate with some more than others I confess. What I’m interested is learning about people. I was very fortunate to find some photos on the University of Pittsburgh’s yearbook archive that had my greandparents in their early 20’s. I had never seen them that young before. It was cool to see.

189 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:02:09pm

re: #184 freetoken

Ah, but here is the question: What is “German”? Or, what is “Slovene”? And so forth.

As long as you don’t call yourself “Pineapple” you’ll be fine.

And that is true as well. And nah, I just call myself typical since few if any people are totally one ethnic group. I am okay with being proud of ethnic background because of culture but I would never use it as rationale to say I’m better than someone or act like I know better about the situations in those country than a native. Having studied in Ireland, I know that the Irish appreciate Americans interest in their Irish roots but they don’t like them talking about The Troubles for example especially like they’re actually Irish.

190 gwangung  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:07:55pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

And that is true as well. And nah, I just call myself typical since few if any people are totally one ethnic group. I am okay with being proud of ethnic background because of culture but I would never use it as rationale to say I’m better than someone or act like I know better about the situations in those country than a native. Having studied in Ireland, I know that the Irish appreciate Americans interest in their Irish roots but they don’t like them talking about The Troubles for example especially like they’re actually Irish.

I have always enjoyed people who were proud of some aspect of their ethnic background and who tried to live it. You get to learn and trade practices, as well as getting to know some other culture through something other than book learning.

191 AlexRogan  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:09:56pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

And that is true as well. And nah, I just call myself typical since few if any people are totally one ethnic group. I am okay with being proud of ethnic background because of culture but I would never use it as rationale to say I’m better than someone or act like I know better about the situations in those country than a native. Having studied in Ireland, I know that the Irish appreciate Americans interest in their Irish roots but they don’t like them talking about The Troubles for example especially like they’re actually Irish.

Yeah, Bono said it best during a live performance of Sunday Bloody Sunday:

And let me tell you somethin’. I’ve had enough of Irish Americans who haven’t been back to their country in twenty or thirty years come up to me and talk about the resistance, the revolution back home…and the glory of the revolution…and the glory of dying for the revolution. Fuck the revolution! They don’t talk about the glory of killing for the revolution. What’s the glory in taking a man from his bed and gunning him down in front of his wife and his children? Where’s the glory in that? Where’s the glory in bombing a Remembrance Day parade of old age pensioners, their medals taken out and polished up for the day. Where’s the glory in that? To leave them dying or crippled for life or dead under the rubble of the revolution, that the majority of the people in my country don’t want. No more!

192 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:10:15pm

re: #190 gwangung

I have always enjoyed people who were proud of some aspect of their ethnic background and who tried to live it. You get to learn and trade practices, as well as getting to know some other culture through something other than book learning.

It is important to keep these things alive. Foods especially :)

193 freetoken  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:08pm
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194 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:12:36pm

This is touching on many, many levels.

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195 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:14:16pm

Andrew Breitbart passed away 1 year ago today.

196 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:17:13pm

re: #190 gwangung

I have always enjoyed people who were proud of some aspect of their ethnic background and who tried to live it. You get to learn and trade practices, as well as getting to know some other culture through something other than book learning.

Yeah, I’ve tried learning Slovene and Gaelic before to no luck but I do like trying foods and drinks from those countries. One of my favorite traditions is a festival that gives out Eastern European food. HAd the best Kielbasa sandwich ever there.

197 FriendsofHummus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:19:23pm

re: #191 TedStriker

Yeah, Bono said it best during a live performance of Sunday Bloody Sunday:

He was right. Cracked actually of all places had a good article last St. Patrick’s Day about what parts of how Americans celebrate St. Patrick’s Day annoy native Irish and number one was just hating on the British. I used to be kind of guilty of that but I got more mature number one and number two I have two awesome British cousins in law who are excellent husbands and fathers and all around great guys.

198 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:23:44pm

RIP, Andrew Breitbart

199 gwangung  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:23:46pm

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

It is important to keep these things alive. Foods especially :)

Oh, hell yes on the food!

200 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:40:43pm

re: #195 Gus

Andrew Breitbart passed away 1 year ago today.

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201 FemNaziBitch  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:43:14pm

nytol

202 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:43:15pm

re: #200 Kragar (Antichrist )

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203 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:43:35pm

re: #198 Gus

RIP, Andrew Breitbart

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204 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:46:29pm

Garbage and Carl Sagan still follows me. It’s all good.

205 Gus  Thu, Feb 28, 2013 11:51:24pm

Paulina Rubio - Ni Una Sola Palabra

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206 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 12:17:30am

If Breitbart were alive today, I have no doubt he would look around and say “HEY! LET ME OUT OF THIS BOX!”

Too soon?

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 1:12:48am

re: #195 Gus

Andrew Breitbart passed away 1 year ago today.

Rumors of his death have been taken out of context and greatly exxagerated.

208 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 1:19:48am

Jon Stewart mocks ‘delicate flower’ Bob Woodward

209 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 1:31:24am
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210 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 2:12:45am

re: #192 FemNaziBitch

It is important to keep these things alive. Foods especially :)

i try to keep food alive but it gives me a lot of backtalk that way

211 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 2:32:44am
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212 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 2:48:40am

I seem to be doing a French thing tonight:

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213 freetoken  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 4:19:53am

There’s something to be said for “easy listening” radio stations… at 4AM.

214 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 4:29:21am

The Breitborg.

215 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 4:42:36am

I get so grizzled in the winter that neckbeards make fun of my neckbeard.

216 dragonath  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 4:55:25am

re: #214 Vicious Babushka

Kind of funny that for all the pictures that they can use, they have to pick the one that makes him look like a drugged out mix of Reveen and John Wayne Gacy.

217 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:04:59am

re: #215 Amory Blaine

I’ve been tempted, recently, to grow a beard.

218 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:13:51am

Bad news for horse lovers:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com…]

FORT COLLINS, Colo. - Eleven plaintiffs sued Colorado State University for the loss of $40 million worth of horse semen in a fire, including semen from “legendary foundation Quarter House stallion Blue Valentine,” in Laramie County Court.

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 5:48:47am

Good morning Lizards.

Sunny this morning in Philadelphia, but gray cloud bank looming to the west - or perhaps that’s the sequester.

The ethnic background stuff is interesting. Especially how to handle the various group identifications since borders shift, groups migrate, and countries like “Germany” or “Italy” did not exist until the mid-1850s.

Example in my family is that most of the ancestors were in North America by the early 1800s. So that part of it was from Alsace would raise the fun issue of whether it should be referred to as “German” or “French”. (Since it was probably German-speaking due to the family name we opted for the former.) Plus I suspect that part of my mother’s family initially actually settled in Upper Canada and then part of the clan shifted south over the Niagara River into the United States. Does that make me partially Canadian as well? ;)

220 Flounder  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:03:16am

Two weeks later I get my tax refund checks, who says the gubmint is broken!
Okay, I got hurry up and blow this money!

221 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:04:35am

Heh. Sequester the tax refunds — that’ll get pressure ratcheted up for some action real fast.

222 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:07:59am

Wingnuts are seething over the Bob Woodward fake outrage, they have been distracted from Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi-stan.

223 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:11:09am

re: #222 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are seething over the Bob Woodward fake outrage, they have been distracted from Benghazi-ghazi-ghazi-stan.

I fell asleep too early to catch his Hannity performance, but wake up this morning and find out that I was right, he went with the “I felt it was a threat” argument as a way of applying for an extension of his 15 minutes.

224 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:17:15am

Good morning lizards!

225 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:20:59am

I see Woodward is now deflecting and claiming that the White House is using this to create a distracting sideshow.
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226 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:21:33am

re: #225 Feline Fearless Leader

I see Woodward is now deflecting and claiming that the White House is using this to create a distracting sideshow.
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BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!! BENGHAZI!!!111!!!

227 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:22:25am

This town is floating with pride this morning.

Virginia dunks No. 3 Duke for ‘signature win’

With each blocked shot, with each 3-pointer, with each smart play by Virginia, John Paul Jones Arena grew louder and louder.

As the clock ticked under two minutes to play, it felt like the roof might pop off the packed house that had been rocking since 90 minutes before tip-off.

Joe Harris dribbled around a pick and slipped a bounce pass to Akil Mitchell, who cocked both arms back and threw down a vicious two-handed dunk as a Duke defender just tried to get out of the way.

What was that about Virginia needing a “signature” win for the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee?

UVa, behind 37 points from Harris and 19 points and 12 rebounds from Mitchell, beat No. 3 Duke, 73-68, to notch the biggest win of the Tony Bennett era.

The win was Virginia’s first over a top-five opponent in 11 years and snapped an eight-game losing streak to Duke.

228 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:32:32am

So after all the bitching about how the payroll tax cut doesn’t need to be maintained, that it’s a “give-away” that doesn’t help people and is actually harmful to the government…the wingnuts are now bitching that its expiration has lead to the lowest income levels in 20 years.

Make up your fucking minds!

229 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:32:37am

re: #217 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’ve been tempted, recently, to grow a beard.

Do it. Beards are on point. So distinguished.

230 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:36:58am

re: #217 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’ve been tempted, recently, to grow a beard.

When I was a wee lad of about 4 or 5, I encountered one of my dad’s employees who had a glorious beard that would have made Zeus Himself bow his head in respect. I had never seen a beard before, so of course I asked him why he had hair on his face. He said something along the lines of, “It’s something MEN can do. When you’re a man, you’ll have it too.”

So from that point on, I thought, “aww yeah, being male is great. Some day I too will have a magnificent beard, and that will fucking rule.”

Well, lo and behold, I’m now 39 years old and I can’t grow anything remotely resembling a Beard of the Gods. My facial hair comes in black and as coarse as a brillo pad, but tragicomically sparse, patchy, and asymmetrical. I suppose if I let it go for about 6 months I might have something to work with, but mostly I just end up looking like a hobo with mange. It’s truly one of the most disappointing realities of adulthood for me, right along with the randomly occurring knee pain.

231 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:38:31am

My wife told me UVA is asking all employees to bring birth certificates, marriage licenses, etc. for everyone covered on their insurance. Apparently they found some employees who had people covered who were not supposed to be there. This is causing some issues though. Someone she works with has legal custody of her granddaughter. The kid has been removed from her insurance policy because she hasn’t adopted her.

232 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:39:53am

re: #230 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I, too, am unable to grow a satisfactory beard.

On the other hand, I have many other tremendous physical attributes that make up for this single shortcoming.

233 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:41:24am

re: #231 NJDhockeyfan

My wife told me UVA is asking all employees to bring birth certificates, marriage licenses, etc. for everyone covered on their insurance. Apparently they found some employees who had people covered who were not supposed to be there. This is causing some issues though. Someone she works with has legal custody of her granddaughter. The kid has been removed from her insurance policy because she hasn’t adopted her.

My institution went through this a year or so ago. Just another shitty aspect of the employer-based health insurance system.

234 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:44:56am

re: #232 iossarian

On the other hand, I have many other tremendous physical attributes that make up for this single shortcoming.

Keep telling yourself that.

edit: it works for me.

235 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:46:45am

re: #234 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Keep telling yourself that.

Hey - an individual consciousness is simply a collection of self-reinforcing thought processes centered around an unknowable void. Might as well be positive about it!

236 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:46:55am

Arkansas lawmakers enact most stringent abortion restrictions in nation after overriding governor’s veto on a separate bill outlawing abortion after 20 weeks. They would ban abortions after 12 weeks (1st trimester).

Gov. Mike Beebe, a Democrat, had vetoed the 20-week limit on Tuesday, saying it was likely to be found unconstitutional, but the newly Republican-controlled Senate voted to override Mr. Beebe’s veto on Thursday; the House had already done so Wednesday. The measure is set to take effect immediately.

Arkansas is the 10th state to outlaw abortions after 20 weeks, in part based on the theory that fetuses can feel pain at that stage, a notion disputed by mainstream medical associations.

The 20-week limit also violates the legal threshold set by the Supreme Court, which has held that states cannot ban abortions before the fetus becomes viable. Such a limit has not yet been tested by the courts.

Doctors say viability, the ability to survive outside the womb, usually occurs after at least 24 weeks.

“We’re seeing a real defiance of what the Supreme Court has held,” said Elizabeth Nash, the state issues manager with the Guttmacher Institute, a research group in Washington. “The Supreme Court says viability is determined by a doctor.”

Jason Rapert, an Arkansas state senator who sponsored the 12-week limit, says the Supreme Court provides too little guidance on determining viability, but that a heartbeat is an early sign of life. His goal is to prevent what he described as “abortion being used as birth control.”

“When there is a heartbeat, there is life,” Mr. Rapert said. “We do not need to be killing little babies.”

The 12-week limit, which Governor Beebe is also expected to veto if it reaches him, would be an even greater challenge to existing constitutional standards.

237 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:47:11am

re: #232 iossarian

I, too, am unable to grow a satisfactory beard.

On the other hand, I have many other tremendous physical attributes that make up for this single shortcoming.

I have no physical or mental attributes worth mentioning.

I’m going to cry.

238 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:48:19am

Moneybeard

239 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:48:54am

re: #233 iossarian

Mine just imposed a $600 fee for insuring significant others or spouses who are able to get insurance through their own employer. No fee if the SO or spouse is not working or is working for our employer.

240 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:50:01am

DERP FAIL *FACE PALM*

241 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:50:04am

re: #236 lawhawk

Arkansas lawmakers enact most stringent abortion restrictions in nation after overriding governor’s veto on a separate bill outlawing abortion after 20 weeks. They would ban abortions after 12 weeks (1st trimester).

According to a biologist I respect, the first heartbeats are nothing more than test runs - brain training and pathway set up, they do not pump blood.

242 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:52:13am

re: #239 lawhawk

Mine just imposed a $600 fee for insuring significant others or spouses who are able to get insurance through their own employer. No fee if the SO or spouse is not working or is working for our employer.

The stupidest aspect of our system is that, if you’re a couple with kids, and both spouses are employed by the university in different units, those units will both put pressure on the individuals to put the kids on the other spouse’s insurance, because it comes out of the unit budget.

I’ve heard of grad students being told that they may “find it easier” to obtain supplementary research funding if they get their kids moved to their spouse’s plan.

It’s fucked up, but it’s a natural consequence of the system.

243 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:52:15am

re: #236 lawhawk

Arkansas lawmakers enact most stringent abortion restrictions in nation after overriding governor’s veto on a separate bill outlawing abortion after 20 weeks. They would ban abortions after 12 weeks (1st trimester).

My understanding has always been that the 24 limit was imposed in RvW on the understanding that if ever science made it possible for a fetus to survive prior to that mark, then future courts would have to review the ruling. But I’m also led to believe that no child born earlier than 21 weeks has ever survived, even with medical intervention.

244 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:52:50am

re: #232 iossarian

Then we have guys like this who are really just rubbing it in:

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245 Flounder  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:53:12am

re: #237 b_sharp

Sure you do!
You are good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it people like you!

246 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:53:38am

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL *FACE PALM*

I thought they didn’t give a damn about government employees and thought they should be fired so they can get a “real job”?

247 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:55:56am

re: #246 Targetpractice

I thought they didn’t give a damn about government employees and thought they should be fired so they can get a “real job”?

I had a conversation with this wingnut, he believes that everyone should get a REAL JRRB but that JRRB CREATERS should determine what workers get paid (bowl of rice & gruel a day) not YOONYUNZ.

248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:56:14am

re: #239 lawhawk

Mine just imposed a $600 fee for insuring significant others or spouses who are able to get insurance through their own employer. No fee if the SO or spouse is not working or is working for our employer.

If I squint my mind just right, I can imagine a rationale behind the non-bolded part. But the bolded part makes the non-bolded part seem weirdly hostile. Explain like I’m five?

249 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:56:59am

re: #242 iossarian

The stupidest aspect of our system is that, if you’re a couple with kids, and both spouses are employed by the university in different units, those units will both put pressure on the individuals to put the kids on the other spouse’s insurance, because it comes out of the unit budget.

I’ve heard of grad students being told that they may “find it easier” to obtain supplementary research funding if they get their kids moved to their spouse’s plan.

It’s fucked up, but it’s a natural consequence of the system.

If you can’t find your marriage license, your spouse will be taken off the insurance policy at UVA.

250 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:57:21am

re: #240 Vicious Babushka

DERP FAIL *FACE PALM*

Isn’t UE insurance? People pay into a pool at a rate determined by actuarial tables with the expectation some but not all of the investors will have to use a part of that pool. That isn’t the same as being paid.

251 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:57:32am

Geez - I’m reading through the “citizen’s arrest of the government” Facebook thread and it’s full of Ebil Zionist Plots and madcap schemes.

It’s the combination of paranoid and sweetly naive that makes it so fascinating. “I just need 12 people to commit to helping, and we can overthrow this dictatorship.”

252 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:58:18am

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

I had a conversation with this wingnut, he believes that everyone should get a REAL JRRB but that JRRB CREATERS should determine what workers get paid (bowl of rice & gruel a day) not YOONYUNZ.

Whenever I hear one of those “free market” folks tell me how we should get rid of minimum wages and “allow” people to negotiate with employers over wages, I’m reminded of Chris Rock’s comments about the minimum wage:

“Anybody that is paying you minimum wage is saying ‘If I could pay you less, I would.’”

253 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 6:58:35am

re: #249 NJDhockeyfan

If you can’t find your marriage license, your spouse will be taken off the insurance policy at UVA.

Yup - same process here - trying to weed out “freeloaders”.

254 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:00:30am

re: #238 iossarian

Moneybeard

I have only the most vague awareness of who that guy is, but I can say with some certainty that I wouldn’t buy an insurance policy or a used car from him under any circumstances.

255 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:01:44am

re: #248 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

If I squint my mind just right, I can imagine a rationale behind the non-bolded part. But the bolded part makes the non-bolded part seem weirdly hostile. Explain like I’m five?

It is hostile. They justify the fee by claiming that this is a benefit that is somehow being abused - even though the insurance benefits are one of the reasons to work for a given company (more expansive benefits being part of the overall compensation). It’s a rollback of the compensation offered.

If you’re working for the same company, the spouse or SO would be entitled to the same levels of coverage, but it would be the group/family rate, not the single individual rate.

Next thing you know, they’ll start imposing a tiered rate plan for families (where each additional kid is a further cost whereas the coverage doesn’t charge more with more kids on the plan). It’s all part of an ongoing shift of costs from the company to the worker - and it’s done in the name of transparency of health care costs.

256 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:01:53am

re: #254 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

I have only the most vague awareness of who that guy is, but I can say with some certainty that I wouldn’t buy an insurance policy or a used car from him under any circumstances.

Doesn’t he sing?

257 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:03:51am

WARNING:The availability of fainting couches may soon be rapidly diminished. Suitable pearls for clutching may also be out of stock:

CHICAGO — Michelle Obama announced the name of the best picture via satellite for the Academy Awards ceremony in order to promote the arts among children, her principal constituency, she said in an interview on Thursday. And if people didn’t like it, she added, that doesn’t bother her.

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

258 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:04:04am

‘Morning, Lizards. Happy Sequester Day./

We’re celebrating by having a new water heater and water filtration system installed in our home. I’ve got plumbers clambering through my basement as I type.

259 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:05:36am

re: #257 Bulworth

WARNING:The availability of fainting couches may soon be rapidly diminished. Suitable pearls for clutching may also be out of stock:

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

Furthermore, the First Lady said that people who did not appreciate her healthy eating advice could take a “long walk” off a “short pier”.

260 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:05:54am

Remember BigDog? He would like you to know he has new methods of expressing disapproval:

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261 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:05:56am

It’s about time.

Judge orders Fort Hood shooter to stand trial in 3 months

(CNN) — An Army psychiatrist accused of opening fire and killing 13 people at Fort Hood, Texas, will begin trial proceedings in three months, a military judge ruled.

Maj. Nidal Hasan is charged with 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted murder in connection with a 2009 attack at the post’s processing center, where soldiers were preparing to deploy to Afghanistan and Iraq.

The judge, Col. Tara Osborn, ordered Hasan’s court -martial to begin May 29 with jury selection and testimony to begin on July 1.

262 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:12:07am
263 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:12:50am

re: #225 Feline Fearless Leader

I see Woodward is now deflecting and claiming that the White House is using this to create a distracting sideshow.
(spit)

Typical PBO: has Gene Sperling send terrible Threatening Email to get famous journo to go on TV and whine about being Threatened, releases email exchange calling into question the whole Threatened meme, making said Journo look stupid. And look what’s happened—no Benghazi talk for dayz. //

264 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:13:46am

re: #262 lawhawk

Amazing what can happen when government invests in the private sector, huh?

265 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:14:05am

re: #251 iossarian

Geez - I’m reading through the “citizen’s arrest of the government” Facebook thread and it’s full of Ebil Zionist Plots and madcap schemes.

It’s the combination of paranoid and sweetly naive that makes it so fascinating. “I just need 12 people to commit to helping, and we can overthrow this dictatorship.”

Here’s how a Tru-Patriot might proceed.

266 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:14:54am

re: #250 b_sharp

Isn’t UE insurance? People pay into a pool at a rate determined by actuarial tables with the expectation some but not all of the investors will have to use a part of that pool. That isn’t the same as being paid.

IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING YOU SHOULD STARVE OR YOU HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO FIND WORK

What’s the matter with you, don’t you unerstand how God wants us to live?

/

267 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:17:13am

re: #266 Sol Berdinowitz

IF YOU ARE NOT WORKING YOU SHOULD STARVE OR YOU HAVE NO INCENTIVE TO FIND WORK

What’s the matter with you, don’t you unerstand how God wants us to live?

/

IF A JRRB CREATER OFFERS YOU A JRRB FOR BOWL OF RICE & GRUEL YOU SHOULD BE HAPPY FOR IT!1!1

268 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:20:47am

Well, I just got a nastygram on the answering machine about how bad Scott Rigell (House Rep whose district I’m in) over how he supports gun control legislation, how he’s an Obama supporter, and how he didn’t sign onto the whole F&F BS.

Think that settles it, I may not vote for the man, but he’s okay in my book.

269 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:22:43am

No you won’t wingnut, because those Jeeps are being made for China market. DERP FAIL.

270 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:23:09am

re: #256 b_sharp

Doesn’t he sing?

He is one of those celebrity chefs.

271 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:23:51am

re: #270 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

He is one of those celebrity chefs.

With a strange hairdo.

272 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:25:11am

Kerry to admonish Turkish PM Erdogan for “offensive” remark calling Zionism a crime against humanity, official says

ANKARA, TURKEY A senior American official said Friday that U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry will take Turkey’s prime minister to task for “particularly offensive” comments he made this week equating Zionism with a crime against humanity.

According to the official, Kerry felt the Turkish-Israeli relationship was currently “frozen.”

CBS News correspondent Margaret Brennan reports that a U.S. official aboard Kerry’s plane to Ankara said the comments could have a “corrosive effect” on U.S. relations with Turkey, and that Kerry intended to express his “dismay” to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan over his remark made during a United Nations summit in Vienna.

Erdogan’s remarks were of significant concern, said the official, as in the past the Turkish-Israeli relationship had demonstrated that a majority Muslim country can have “very positive” relations with the Jewish state.

The White House on Thursday also issued a statement condemning Erdogan’s remarks.

273 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:25:22am

I am having a weird issue with my credit card. Some recent purchases are not posting, my balance is showing as $0.

Maybe I’ll buy a new car. :)

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:26:20am

Hmmmm, this is interesting….
4 possible silver linings in the sequester
#3)

An opportunity to target wasteful spending?

It seems there was very little effort to avoid the deadline, no sense of urgency. Maybe this is part of the game:Gives each side cover to make some politically difficult cuts to the budget with the plausible deniability of blaming the other side or the sequester itself. I think maybe we’re being played.

275 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:27:13am

re: #271 NJDhockeyfan

With a strange hairdo.

And except for his last one in NYC, a string of successful restaurants mostly in California

276 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:27:56am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

An opportunity to target wasteful spending

And that’s what it could/ should force agencies to do

277 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:28:06am

10 best ‘sequestration’ anagrams

1. “Senators Quiet”
2. “Treason Quiets”
3. “Tears Question”
4. “Queasiest Torn”
5. “A Quietness Rot”
6. “A Quitters Eons”
7. “Nearest Quit So”
8. “Teasers Quit No”
9. “Tease Squirt No”
10. “Sane Quest Trio”

Heh.

278 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:29:06am

re: #264 Targetpractice

Amazing what can happen when government invests in the private sector, huh?

More accurately: “Amazing how we’re still experiencing the consequences of WWII”

279 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:29:34am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

9. “Tease Squirt No”

Put that one on the “do not google” list.

280 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:30:50am

re: #276 sattv4u2

An opportunity to target wasteful spending

And that’s what it could/ should force agencies to do

Maybe but I would prefer to skip the game and make the cuts purposely. The elaborate Rube Goldberg automation is starting to look like a ruse.

281 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:30:53am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Heh.

282 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:31:58am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

Happy birthday!

283 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:33:25am

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Maybe but I would prefer to skip the game and make the cuts purposely. The elaborate Rube Goldberg automation is starting to look like a ruse.

I know. But do you think each agency would voluntarily make cuts? iirc, in many cases if they don’t use all the monies budgeted to them in year “x” then they can’t ask for as much or more in year “y”

284 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:33:32am

re: #282 wrenchwench

Happy birthday!

Thanks!

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:34:10am

re: #284 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks!

Today? Really?? then WTF are you doing HERE !!!

/
Happy Birthday

286 chadu  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:34:56am

re: #184 freetoken

Ah, but here is the question: What is “German”? Or, what is “Slovene”? And so forth.

Fun fact: my German ancestors came to America in the late 1700s. The part of Germany they came from is now part of Italy.

Wild.

287 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:35:18am

re: #281 lawhawk

Heh.

Both sides of the aisle in Congress have known that they couldn’t have made cuts in the levels and scope of those that are part of the sequester. It gives them a chance to hack away at the discretionary budget in a way that hasn’t been done before. In other words, there are some on Capitol Hill who are welcoming the sequester and embrace its outcome.

Lol, I thought I came up with the idea.OK, now it seems that more people are noticing this why is this the first we’ve heard about it? It does appear that going over the cliff is intentional, you’d think someone in the press would have figured this out and warned us about this.

288 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:35:28am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

No you won’t wingnut, because those Jeeps are being made for China market. DERP FAIL.

And no jobs were exported to China over those Jeeps, either, but that is non-information to those inside the echo chamber.

289 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:35:36am

re: #285 sattv4u2

Today? Really?? then WTF are you doing HERE !!!

/
Happy Birthday

I am at work. Tomorrow I get to eat steak and hit a movie.

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:36:47am

re: #289 NJDhockeyfan

I am at work. Tomorrow I get to eat steak and hit a movie.

Enjoy

What movie, if I may ask (wifey and I have seen several over the last few weeks)

291 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:37:38am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

you’d think someone in the press would have figured this out and warned us about this.

That’s not their job anymore!!

292 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:38:22am

We seem, by accepting the sequester or rather the need to address the deficit, to have moved from “Should we impose austerity?” to “How much austerity should we impose?”

293 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:39:00am

re: #292 Targetpractice

We seem, by accepting the sequester or rather the need to address the deficit, to have moved from “Should we impose austerity?” to “How much austerity should we impose?”

The second question should have been asked and answered months ago!

294 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:39:58am

re: #290 sattv4u2

Enjoy

What movie, if I may ask (wifey and I have seen several over the last few weeks)

I have the kids with me so the new Die Hard movie is out. I have to settle on Escape from Planet Earth. That’s the only one my kids can see. Everything else is for adults or older kids.

295 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:07am

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

No you won’t wingnut, because those Jeeps are being made for China market. DERP FAIL.

Imaginary ObamaJeep is imaginary. Next day. She walks into a Wal-Mart and buys more junk Hecho en China.

296 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:19am

re: #275 sattv4u2

And except for his last one in NYC, a string of successful restaurants mostly in California

That NYT review was just brutal.

297 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:24am

Living in their own little universe of DERP

298 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:41am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

Lol, I thought I came up with the idea.OK, now it seems that more people are noticing this why is this the first we’ve heard about it? It does appear that going over the cliff is intentional, you’d think someone in the press would have figured this out and warned us about this.

Basically, the president and the Senate want to avoid the cuts, but the Republican house and Senate minority don’t. Cantor essentially admitted as much yesterday, that they killed any possible compromise.

Polls suggest that the general population is more on board with the Democratic view of things. Time will tell I suppose.

299 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:43am

re: #287 Killgore Trout

Going over the cliff was intentional for the GOP. The GOP refused to budge on a compromise plan that would have nixed the sequester in favor of a more balanced approach to reducing the deficit. They had no intention of cutting a deal (and their getaway only reinforces that fact).

Individual members of Congress might have different intentions not to do a deal. Some figured that they’d get a better one by holding out. Others figured that they could achieve their long term goals of slashing government spending without lifting a finger.

And the GOP will get to hammer away at the Administration on spending til the cows come home, all while blaming Obama for a sluggish economy (which is directly related to the federal cuts).

300 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:40:46am

re: #293 sattv4u2

The second question should have been asked and answered months ago!

The fact that its being asked at all should be seen as a shame.

301 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:41:05am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

Allow me to add to those wishing you a happy birthday. Enjoy the steak!

302 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:41:15am

ummm,,, I think I’ll have the veggie burrito!!

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]


Horsemeat scandal: Four new products test positive

Birds Eye’s Traditional Spaghetti Bolognese and Beef Lasagne - which the company says was taken off shelves last week as a precaution; Brakes’ Spicy Beef Skewer; Taco Bell’s Ground Beef.

303 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:41:39am

re: #296 makeitstop

That NYT review was just brutal.

Yes. I recall

304 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:42:41am

The GOP wanted mass cuts to government.

The frosting is being able to blame Obama for the recession and resultant fallout due to his Kenyan Communist Usurper ideology.

Let them drink tea.

305 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:43:34am

re: #293 sattv4u2

The second question should have been asked and answered months ago!

It has been answered, if by that you mean, “what is a sensible course of action”. The evidence from Europe is that imposing austerity is a terrible idea. The UK is now apparently in a triple-dip recession, with (admittedly center-left) commentators speculating that they are mid-way through a Japanese “lost decade” of depression-like economic activity. And they’re supposedly one of the better-performing economies in Europe.

The Democrats want to avoid austerity, by and large, by increasing upper-income marginal tax rates. The Republicans are refusing to accept this and are using the House and their Senate minority to achieve their aims. It’s pretty simple really.

306 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:45:02am

re: #301 makeitstop

Allow me to add to those wishing you a happy birthday. Enjoy the steak!

Me too - happy birthday!

307 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:45:03am

re: #293 sattv4u2

It was answered months ago. In fact, it was answered with the Budget Control Agreement of 2011.

Congress determined that the sequester was the option chosen when the supercommittee failed to broker a compromise deal. Congress continued to choose the sequester by failing to produce an alternative compromise thereafter - and it could have rewritten the law to further delay its imposition or repeal it altogether. Congress did extend the delay for 3 months, so that it didn’t take effect on January 1.

That tells you that Congress had already made its mind up to see the cuts happen and to play russian roulette with the economy as a result of a policy spat over the size and scope of the spending cuts and a refusal to consider new tax revenue to offset (the preferred option of Democrats and a majority of the nation).

308 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:45:19am

re: #305 iossarian

by increasing upper-income marginal tax rates

you forgot the word ANOTHER in that we just had one, right?

309 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:46:24am

re: #307 lawhawk

In fact, it was answered with the Budget Control Agreement of 2011.

Was that the agreement re: the 800 billion that after it was agreed upon the White House wanted to up it to 1.2 Trillion (iirc)

310 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:46:46am

re: #301 makeitstop

Allow me to add to those wishing you a happy birthday. Enjoy the steak!

Thanks, I love a good steak and baked potato.

311 Kronocide  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:48:06am

The Era of Petulance

312 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:48:08am

Colorado task force ponders how to tax legal pot

Read more: [Link: www.myfoxdc.com…]


Gus!?! ///

313 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:48:32am

The Spamming Failbot sums it up:

314 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:49:31am

re: #309 sattv4u2

In fact, it was answered with the Budget Control Agreement of 2011.

Was that the agreement re: the 800 billion that after it was agreed upon the White House wanted to up it to 1.2 Trillion (iirc)

No, that would be the “Grand Bargain” where the GOP was already getting somewhere between 4:1 and 10:1 in cuts to new revenues (depending on who you ask) before Boehner and Cantor put the kibosh on negotiations while alleging that Obama had killed things by pushing for more revenues in the final deal.

315 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:49:47am

re: #308 sattv4u2


by increasing upper-income marginal tax rates

you forgot the word ANOTHER in that we just had one, right?

Well, I meant through the general practice of raising revenue via upper-income tax increases. High-wealth Americans are not exactly hurting right now.

316 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:50:32am

re: #315 iossarian

the general practice of raising revenue via upper-income tax increases.

And as stated, didn’t we just have one?

317 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:50:46am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks, I love a good steak and baked potato.

Right with you there. Being married to a vegetarian, I don’t get as many steaks as I used to. I enjoy them even more now because of it.

318 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:51:43am

re: #316 sattv4u2

the general practice of raising revenue via upper-income tax increases.

And as stated, didn’t we just have one?

We had a reversion to the pre-Bush tax levels for those making over $450K, if that’s what you’re looking for.

319 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:52:27am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

Living in their own little universe of DERP

Gosh I’m confused. Didn’t we kill ACORN with teh drone things so they couldn’t voter fraud our elections any mores? How was moar voter frawd committed last year with no ACORN? //

320 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:52:29am

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

321 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:25am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Dodo!

322 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:28am

re: #319 Bulworth

Gosh I’m confused. Didn’t we kill ACORN with teh drone things so they couldn’t voter fraud our elections any mores? How was moar voter frawd committed last year with no ACORN? //

The wingnuts have been Tweeting about some woman in Ohio who claims she voted for Obama 6 times.

That like totally decided the outcome of the election.//

323 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:35am

re: #316 sattv4u2

the general practice of raising revenue via upper-income tax increases.

And as stated, didn’t we just have one?

Sure. To avoid the kind of economic downturns that Europe is currently experiencing, we probably need more.

There’s a third option, which is to increase deficit spending, but that’s also been ruled out by the Republican minority.

324 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:47am

re: #313 Vicious Babushka

The Spamming Failbot sums it up:

Sequester is a non issue Obama is using as a red herring to keep from takling about Benghazi and his stolen SS#

He’s gonna be pissed when he figures out that Benghazi and the ‘stolen SS#’ are non-issues Obama is using to get gay marriage and gun control through.
If he ever figures it out.

325 peguyjaures  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:53:51am

re: #305 iossarian

And they’re supposedly one of the better-performing economies in Europe.

Well, important word here is “supposedly”. UK’s “better economic performance” is a major point in the anti-UE discourse in the UK, but frankly, except for the financial sector, it has not been true for a few decades (although they have had some success in getting people to believe this despite all evidence of a stark decline).

326 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:54:16am

re: #321 makeitstop

Dodo!

Why? Were they tasty??

327 Targetpractice  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:54:47am

Hate to leave this discussion, but I must get some work done. BBL.

328 darthstar  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:54:48am

Mornin’ gang.

329 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:54:54am

re: #317 makeitstop

Right with you there. Being married to a vegetarian, I don’t get as many steaks as I used to. I enjoy them even more now because of it.

Do you get a tofu turkey on Thanksgiving or the real thing?

330 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:54:59am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Given the state of the USPS, maybe carrier pigeons would be a good idea.

331 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:55:11am

re: #325 peguyjaures

Well, important word here is “supposedly”. UK’s “better economic performance” is a major point in the anti-UE discourse in the UK, but frankly, except for the financial sector, it has not been true for a few decades (although they have had some success in getting people to believe this despite all evidence of a stark decline).

Well, exactly. I did also want to refer to the fact that, as bad as things are in the UK, in some ways they are doing better than other austerity zones in the EU (e.g., Greece).

332 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:55:21am

re: #330 wrenchwench

Given the state of the USPS, maybe carrier pigeons would be a good idea.

I don’t believe those are extinct!

333 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:56:30am

Good news. Quadraped robots can now throw cinderblocks

Liveleak Video
334 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:57:56am

re: #333 Killgore Trout

Good news. Quadraped robots can now throw cinderblocks

[Embedded content]

heh.

But at what cost? I’ve got a teenage neighbor that does it for a few bucks an hour!!!
//

335 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:58:45am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

I’ll vote for the Wooly Mammoth. It’s unfair that pachyderms are confined to the tropics.

336 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:59:40am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Jurassic Park.

337 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 7:59:58am

re: #336 Varek Raith

Jurassic Park.

What could go wrong?

338 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:00:45am

The 1 per centers have the opportunity to purchase this stroller for their babies…

Aston Martin makes baby stroller with price tag of over $3000

339 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:01:34am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Hmmmm, this is interesting….
4 possible silver linings in the sequester
#3)

It seems there was very little effort to avoid the deadline, no sense of urgency. Maybe this is part of the game:Gives each side cover to make some politically difficult cuts to the budget with the plausible deniability of blaming the other side or the sequester itself. I think maybe we’re being played.

So now Congress is conspiring to appear gutless in order to make broad untargeted cuts in order to hit some targeted cuts that they didn’t have the guts to actually agree to make in the first place?

340 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:01:50am

re: #337 Vicious Babushka

What could go wrong?

Absolutely nothing.

341 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:02:27am

re: #322 Vicious Babushka

And if the woman said she voted for PBO six times then it must automatically be true. /

342 chadu  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:02:50am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Thylacines.

343 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:02:51am

re: #339 Feline Fearless Leader

So now Congress is conspiring to appear gutless in order to make broad untargeted cuts in order to hit some targeted cuts that they didn’t have the guts to actually agree to make in the first place?

In other words, business as usual. /

344 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:10am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Homo floresiensis!

345 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:38am


346 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:47am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

Living in their own little universe of DERP

Yep, the DOW went from Zero to 14,000 since Jan 20 under POTUS Romney.
////

347 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:03:58am

re: #326 sattv4u2

Why? Were they tasty??

Hilariously ugly.

348 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:04:44am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Trilobites. Neat looking; interesting use of calcite for eyes, and I expect that they taste good with cocktail sauce.

349 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:04:48am

re: #329 NJDhockeyfan

Do you get a tofu turkey on Thanksgiving or the real thing?

She has the tofurkey, I get the real deal. The carnivores still outnumber the leaf-eaters in the family, fortunately.

350 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:04:53am
351 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:06:13am

re: #350 Gus

352 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:06:43am

re: #345 Gus

Eh. Typical Rodman publicity stunt. I don’t care. No one else should either.

353 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:06:47am

I see Wolf is being a douche again.

354 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:07:00am

re: #345 Gus

Rodman’s a better rebounder than diplomat, from the look of it.

355 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:07:55am

re: #345 Gus

Here’s Rodman with his new buddy.

Image: OB-WN498_0301nk_H_20130228215741.jpg

356 chadu  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:08:05am

re: #326 sattv4u2

Dodo

Why? Were they tasty??

IIRC, they were.

These we used to call ‘Walghvogel’, for the reason that the longer and oftener they were cooked, the less soft and more insipid eating they became. Nevertheless their belly and breast were of a pleasant flavour and easily masticated.

On the other hand…

It is reputed more for wonder than for food, greasie stomackes may seeke after them, but to the delicate they are offensive and of no nourishment.

Jury’s out!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

357 darthstar  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:13:50am

re: #338 NJDhockeyfan

The 1 per centers have the opportunity to purchase this stroller for their babies…

Aston Martin makes baby stroller with price tag of over $3000

Does it leak oil?

358 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:13:50am

Gangnam Gaza Style

Youtube Video
359 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:14:15am

re: #357 darthstar

Does it leak oil?

The stroller, or the baby!?!

360 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:14:44am

re: #332 sattv4u2

I don’t believe those are extinct!

Passenger Pigeons!

Uh,,, given the state of the airlines,,,,

361 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:14:47am

re: #352 Feline Fearless Leader

Eh. Typical Rodman publicity stunt. I don’t care. No one else should either.

362 darthstar  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:16:28am

re: #359 sattv4u2

The stroller, or the baby!?!

The stroller. It’s what English cars are best at. After a couple years of fish & chips, the kid will also leak oil.

363 Mattand  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:16:33am

re: #299 lawhawk

Going over the cliff was intentional for the GOP. The GOP refused to budge on a compromise plan that would have nixed the sequester in favor of a more balanced approach to reducing the deficit. They had no intention of cutting a deal (and their getaway only reinforces that fact).

Funny how when the above is brought up, conservatives and “independents” bail from the conversation like rats from a sinking ship.

364 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:18:54am

re: #363 Mattand

Funny how when the above is brought up, conservatives and “independents” bail from the conversation like rats from a sinking ship.

That’s a feature, not a bug.

365 darthstar  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:19:34am

Dennis Rodman going to NK is no more stupid than a US Congressman inviting Ted Nugent to the SOTU…like THAT would ever happen.

366 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:20:57am

re: #365 darthstar

Dennis Rodman going to NK is no more stupid than a US Congressman inviting Ted Nugent to the SOTU…like THAT would ever happen.

It’s interesting really. How everything like this turns into a reverse MBF. Criticize Dennis Rodman in this case and it become, “but Ted Nugent” or “but the wingnuts.” Sorry Darth. That doesn’t work for me.

367 Mattand  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:21:12am

re: #364 Varek Raith

That’s a feature, not a bug.

I get to the end of Lawhawk’s comment, and in my head, I hear the old cliché record scratch from LGF’s conservative and the “They’re all the same” contingents.

368 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:22:11am

re: #366 Gus

It’s interesting really. How everything like this turns into a reverse MBF. Criticize Dennis Rodman in this case and it become, “but Ted Nugent” or “but the wingnuts.” Sorry Darth. That doesn’t work for me.

MBF is a one way street!

369 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:22:28am

re: #366 Gus

It’s interesting really. How everything like this turns into a reverse MBF. Criticize Dennis Rodman in this case and it become, “but Ted Nugent” or “but the wingnuts.” Sorry Darth. That doesn’t work for me.

Except Rodman isn’t some liberal dude, so he’s not on the other side of fence.

I think the point that Darth was making was that Rodman is a (washed up) sports celebrity, who aren’t known for their good judgement. Congresspeople’s are supposed to be more sagacious.

That’s how I read it, anyway.

Rodman should run for congress. Problem solved!

370 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:23:36am

Dennis Rodman is just an attention queen whose 15 minutes expired A LONG TIME AGO.

371 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:24:37am

re: #366 Gus

It’s interesting really. How everything like this turns into a reverse MBF. Criticize Dennis Rodman in this case and it become, “but Ted Nugent” or “but the wingnuts.” Sorry Darth. That doesn’t work for me.

I don’t think either Rodman *or* Nugent running their yaps is worthy of that much attention. Especially when they’re doing it simply for the attention. It’s like when a child figures out that saying (much less yelling) certain words is effective as an attention-getting-device. The best response is to ignore them and let them go away and fade back into well-deserved obscurity.

372 Gus  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:24:54am

Oy.

373 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:25:09am

Oh BTW for today’s potluck I decided not to bake the cupcakes (too much work!) instead I made a big salad with romaine and spinach, and creamy dressing or raspberry vinaigrette.

Took about one minute to prepare AND IT’S HEALTHY. :)

374 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:25:41am

HVAC guy is here. We discovered a leak in the draining system in the attic. How did we discover it you may ask! The ceiling below the HVAC unit is, shall we say ,,, damp!!!

oh, joy!

375 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:25:59am

re: #368 sattv4u2

MBF is a one way street!

I think this one goes both ways.

376 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:26:01am

re: #373 Vicious Babushka

Oh BTW for today’s potluck I decided not to bake the cupcakes (too much work!) instead I made a big salad with romaine and spinach, and creamy dressing or raspberry vinaigrette.

Took about one minute to prepare AND IT’S HEALTHY. :)

Oh no! A Michelle-clone is on the loose! Run! Hide the children before she indoctrinates them!
;)

377 sattv4u2  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:26:28am

re: #375 wrenchwench

I think this one goes both ways.

Thats not a Tu Tu

Thats a Four Four!!

378 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:26:58am

re: #376 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh no! A Michelle-clone is on the loose! Run! Hide the children before she indoctrinates them!
;)

But if you eat your salad YOU CAN HAZ PIE.

379 Killgore Trout  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:27:46am

re: #368 sattv4u2

MBF is a one way street!

Close but the Magical Unbalance Fairy is different. It’s always different!

380 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:28:06am

re: #362 darthstar

The stroller. It’s what English cars are best at. After a couple years of fish & chips, the kid will also leak oil.

I thought it was a James Bond ref. Although a stroller that shoots oil out the back would make walking the baby a little treacherous.

381 iossarian  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:28:36am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

But if you eat your salad YOU CAN HAZ PIE.

Ha - this is totally my approach to “healthy” potluck eating.

For every serving of salad I take I can eat a serving of desert.

382 darthstar  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:29:05am

re: #366 Gus

It’s interesting really. How everything like this turns into a reverse MBF. Criticize Dennis Rodman in this case and it become, “but Ted Nugent” or “but the wingnuts.” Sorry Darth. That doesn’t work for me.

I’m not criticizing Rodman. And while I dislike Nugent with every fiber in my body, it was asshole’s right to invite him (stupid as it was). Rodman went to North Korea…he’s just an ex-ballplayer/actor/body-mutilation fetishist…he doesn’t represent me.

383 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:29:58am

re: #378 Vicious Babushka

But if you eat your salad YOU CAN HAZ PIE.

We Can HAZ PIE?!?!

384 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:31:04am

Although it’s only 11:30 EST, I can rest assured that Gene Sperling has threatened someone today. The only question is, what kind of threat was it? /

385 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:31:45am

re: #384 Bulworth

Gene Sperling left me an email saying that I’d regret eating those fried scotch bell peppers.

He said I’d rue the day.

386 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:33:50am

re: #385 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Gene Sperling left me an email saying that I’d regret eating those fried scotch bell peppers.

He said I’d rue the day.

My brother said I’d roux the day I took up French cooking.

387 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:33:53am

Morning, Lizards!

Went to Houston yesterday on business and also to visit a friend I hadn’t seen since high school. While there, I learned two things:

1. Urban planning and zoning laws are good things. Houston is a jumbled mess to get around. I never noticed when growing up there, but now? Hoo boy. All I can say is thank SRV for Google Maps navigation.

2. Facebook makes reunions way less awkward. I hadn’t seen my friend face to face in over 20 years, but we were right back where we left off because we’ve been talking on FB for ages. It was awesome. We’re already talking about getting together again in April for my birthday.

388 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:38:07am

Here. Have some Paultard fail:

389 Interesting Times  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:40:25am
390 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:40:44am

re: #380 makeitstop

I thought it was a James Bond ref. Although a stroller that shoots oil out the back would make walking the baby a little treacherous.

And you need to make sure Q doesn’t install an ejector seat as well.

391 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:42:00am

re: #388 Lidane

Here. Have some Paultard fail:

The Moran used to post here before he flounced off to the stalkers.

392 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:43:55am

Morning drive-by: LOL, not exactly conventional, but it sure beats the heck out of dour old coots like Bryan Fischer.

Youtube Video
393 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:44:05am

Oh, boy. Mittens to Obama: ‘Stop being a Big Mean Meanie!’

Youtube Video
394 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:45:13am

re: #391 Vicious Babushka

The Moran used to post here before he flounced off to the stalkers.

That graph is probably taken from a weather forecast.

395 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:46:18am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs…

396 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:49:14am

re: #388 Lidane

Here. Have some Paultard fail:

They never heard of supply and demand? The rest of the world is catching up with our taste in consumer goods.

397 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:49:40am

re: #394 wrenchwench

That graph is probably taken from a weather forecast.

Hockey stick!!

398 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:49:51am

re: #395 Eclectic Cyborg

God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs…

Fry: What really killed the dinosaurs?
Huge Brain: ME!!!!

399 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:50:19am

re: #396 Sol Berdinowitz

They never heard of supply and demand? The rest of the world is catching up with our taste in consumer goods.

That plus we are, as a planet, kind of starting to run out of some stuff…

400 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:53:50am

re: #387 Lidane

All I can say is thank SRV for Google Maps navigation.

Stevie Ray Vaughan made Google Maps?
//

401 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:54:41am

re: #400 NJDhockeyfan

Stevie Ray Vaughan made Google Maps?
//

No, but he makes driving in shitty traffic bearable. Heh.

402 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:55:23am

Boom! Goes the dynamite.

During remarks at the White House, he said: “Let’s be clear, none of this is necessary. It’s happening because a choice that republicans in congress have made. They’ve allowed these cuts to happen because they refused to budge on closing a single wasteful loophole to help reduce the deficit.”

Preach, you magnificent Kenyan Usurper, you.

403 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:56:27am

re: #402 makeitstop

Boom! Goes the dynamite.

Preach, you magnificent Kenyan Usurper, you.

Obama wants to DESTROY THE RICH!!

404 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 8:59:47am

I was listening to Obama in my car when I went to Wendys for a greasy burger. I thought I heard him say the sequester will cause 750,000 jobs. Did I hear him right or was I hearing things?

405 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:00:38am

re: #404 NJDhockeyfan

I was listening to Obama in my car when I went to Wendys for a greasy burger. I thought I heard him say the sequester will cause 750,000 jobs. Did I hear him right or was I hearing things?

will cost.

406 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:02:19am

re: #402 makeitstop

Boom! Goes the dynamite.

Preach, you magnificent Kenyan Usurper, you.

407 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:02:46am

re: #405 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

will cost.

That quite a high number. There are only 134 million people working in the US.

408 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:04:02am

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

That quite a high number. There are only 134 million people working in the US.

Wingnuts are all derping over Maxine Waters saying the sequester will cost 170 Million jrrbz.

409 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:04:31am

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

It is, but given that the cuts are across the board that’s what it could cost.

410 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:04:49am
411 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:06:55am

This is what you Rs wanted.
Decreased govt spending, less public employees.

412 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:08:20am

re: #411 Varek Raith

This is what you Rs wanted.
Decreased govt spending, less public employees.

And a weak economy to blame on Obama. After all, he is the President and everything that happens is his fault.

413 gwangung  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:09:25am

re: #410 Lidane

People with relatives in the PRC and other countries would beg to differ.

414 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:09:53am

Obama talking about DOMA now. I hear the wingnut heads going POP! POP! POP!

415 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:09:58am

re: #408 Vicious Babushka

Wingnuts are all derping over Maxine Waters saying the sequester will cost 170 Million jrrbz.

One of my idiot wingnut relatives derped about that this morning:

This isn’t a war between Progressives vs Conservatives, It’s a war of Common Sense vs STUPID PEOPLE!!! If your told and believe that 2+2=564.978 degrees because of variable concerns related to global warming, environment, and social Justice, your STUPID!!! Don’t be stupid!! Use your brain that God gave you and you’ll realize you have been duped into thinking that someone else (not you) is smarter than you are!!! The fact is, Rep Maxine Waters(D) is as dumb as a box of ROCKS!! Just like her colleagues John Boehner(R) and Nancy Polosei(D)!!!

I love my family, but this hurt my brain.

416 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:10:59am

re: #409 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It is, but given that the cuts are across the board that’s what it could cost.

How so? There are about 315,400,000 people living in the US as of today. Where are the other jobs going to be lost? I’m not trying to be a dick, just confused over this number.

417 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:13:39am

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

That quite a high number. There are only 134 million people working in the US.

The government cuts will include directly cutting people’s jobs, but also things like cutting research grants. My wife, for example, has a tech in her lab who is paid for from a grant from NIH. If that grant weren’t around, it’s unlikely the tech would be hired. In addition, the subsidiary effects of job cuts are huge— if you shut down an office, then those guys don’t have a paycheck to spend anymore, so other people are going to lose income from the loss of their job, as well.

418 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:14:15am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

How so? There are about 315,400,000 people living in the US as of today. Where are the other jobs going to be lost? I’m not trying to be a dick, just confused over this number.

I’m sorry, I don’t get what you’re confused about. Can you explain?

419 blueraven  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:15:25am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

The job loss will not be all at once, it will be gradual over the next few years.
It will be teachers, policemen, firefighters, private defense contractors and the collateral effect.

This will slow down the rate of growth and employment overall.

420 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:15:30am

re: #416 NJDhockeyfan

Including layoffs and furloughs you also have to add in jobs lost that would have been created via grants that will now be cut.

421 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:16:41am

Gee, arbitrarily cutting spending has real consequences.
Who’d a thunk?!?!

422 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:16:53am

Another RWNJ missing the point, party Eleventy:

423 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:17:28am

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

That quite a high number. There are only 134 million people working in the US.

0.56% is quite a high number?

424 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:17:42am

WE JRRB CREATERS OF TEH PRIVATE SEKTER ARE NOT AFFECTED BY TEH SEKWESTER! IF ANYTHING WE CAN CREYATE MOAR JRRBZ AND PAY ARE DESPERATE WORKERS LESS AND LESS!

425 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:18:49am

re: #407 NJDhockeyfan

That quite a high number. There are only 134 million people working in the US.

The number comes from the CBO. It’s my understanding that it’s not the loss of 750,00 existing jobs, but rather a combination of existing jobs that could be lost + new jobs that would be created if the sequestration didn’t happen:

In the absence of sequestration, CBO estimates, GDP growth would be about 0.6 percentage points faster during this calendar year, and the equivalent of about 750,000 more full-time jobs would be created or retained by the fourth quarter. By CBO’s estimate, extending the tax provisions that expired would have similar positive effects on output and jobs. Those economic effects represent CBO’s central estimates, which are based on the assumption that the values for key aspects of economic behavior are the midpoints of CBO’s ranges for those values. […]

More at the CBO…

426 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:18:49am

re: #418 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m sorry, I don’t get what you’re confused about. Can you explain?

Ok, he said sequester will cost 750,000 jobs. There are 315,400,000 people living in the US with 134 million working. Even if every man, woman, and child were working we would still be short 434,600 jobs. Correct?

427 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:19:30am

re: #422 Lidane

Another RWNJ missing the point, party Eleventy:

Ok, Christians can’t marry other Christians.
There are other religions so this won’t effect them!
/Wingnut logic

428 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:20:03am

re: #425 CuriousLurker

That 750,000 seems kinda high.

429 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:20:45am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Ok, he said sequester will cost 750,000 jobs. There are 315,400,000 people living in the US with 134 million working. Even if every man, woman, and child were working we would still be short 434,600 jobs. Correct?

No. I have no idea what’s going on with your math.

134,000,000 - 750,000 = 133,250,000.

Where are you getting 434,600?

430 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:20:54am

re: #428 NJDhockeyfan

That 750,000 seems kinda high.

Based on what?

431 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:21:41am

re: #423 goddamnedfrank

Considering that the IMF has figured the sequester would shave 5 points from growth in the US this year (from 2% to 1.5%), that corresponds to job losses pretty well.

432 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:22:56am

Kind of sucks when reality slaps you upside the head, eh Rs?

433 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:23:22am

re: #429 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No. I have no idea what’s going on with your math.

134,000,000 - 750,000 = 133,250,000.

Where are you getting 434,600?

The sequester will cost 750,000 jobs - 315,400,000 population of the USA = 434,600 missing jobs if everyone in the US is working.

434 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:23:25am

DERP.

435 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:23:54am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Ok, he said sequester will cost 750,000 jobs. There are 315,400,000 people living in the US with 134 million working. Even if every man, woman, and child were working we would still be short 434,600 jobs. Correct?

You appear to be subtracting millions from thousands. 750K is a tad over one half of one percent of 134 million.

436 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:24:55am

re: #428 NJDhockeyfan

That 750,000 seems kinda high.

I dunno. Math isn’t my friend and I don’t understand federal economic/budgetary issues well enough to question the experts, so… *shrugs*

437 erik_t  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:25:04am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

The sequester will cost 750,000 jobs - 315,400,000 population of the USA = 434,600 missing jobs if everyone in the US is working.

That’s… not how numbers work.

438 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:25:30am

re: #433 NJDhockeyfan

The sequester will cost 750,000 jobs - 315,400,000 population of the USA = 434,600 missing jobs if everyone in the US is working.

Dude.

315,400,000 -
750,000
___________
314,650,000.

439 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:25:43am

re: #435 goddamnedfrank

You appear to be subtracting millions from thousands. 750K is a tad over one half of one percent of 134 million.

Wait a minute, I’m putting too many zeros on my 750,000 number. My bad.

Damn, my math skills are disappearing with age.

440 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:27:08am

DERP.

441 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:27:38am

re: #438 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Dude.

315,400,000 -
750,000
___________
313,650,000.

Boy is my face red.

442 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:27:39am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Wait a minute, I’m putting too many zeros on my 750,000 number. My bad.

Damn, my math skills are disappearing with age.

So you see, 750K isn’t quite a high number at all. If anything it’s a conservative estimate.

443 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:27:57am

DERP.

444 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:28:18am

re: #439 NJDhockeyfan

Yeah. Obama’s estimate of job losses is probably on the conservative side— it’s really hard to estimate the opportunity cost from this.

Included among the cuts will be cuts to science funding. Science research is probably the biggest job-creator in the US. Those discoveries fuel new industries. The GOP has already targeted science for tons of cuts, since they’re anti-science, but this is going to be far worse.

This may be an economic blow that will knock the US out of position as the world pre-eminent technological and economic power. Our position is already precarious. “Luckily” the rest of the world is in bad shape right now, but we can’t depend on that forever.

445 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:28:20am

re: #442 goddamnedfrank

So you see, 750K isn’t quite a high number at all. If anything it’s a conservative estimate.

I saw 170,000,000. I need new reading glasses.

446 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:29:08am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

I saw 170,000,000. I need new reading glasses.

So that’s where Maxine Waters got that from.

447 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:29:47am

re: #446 Vicious Babushka

So that’s where Maxine Waters got that from.

I mean 750,000,000.

Fuck!

448 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:30:32am

re: #447 NJDhockeyfan

I mean 750,000,000.

Fuck!

Don’t try to balance your checkbook this morning.

449 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:30:35am

re: #447 NJDhockeyfan

I mean 750,000,000.

Fuck!

Man, 50 hits hard!
///
:)

450 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:32:53am

Wanna hear something nerdy?
I always carry around a calculator.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:33:44am

BTW, here is how I found the US population.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the resident population of the United States, projected to 03/01/13 at 17:33 UTC (EST+5) is
315,415,799

COMPONENT SETTINGS FOR MARCH 2013

One birth every 8 seconds
One death every 12 seconds
One international migrant (net) every 40 seconds
Net gain of one person every 15 seconds

Neat!

452 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:34:19am

re: #434 Vicious Babushka

DERP.

Fine. There are no taxes in Somalia. Enjoy life there…

453 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:34:29am

re: #450 Varek Raith

Wanna hear something nerdy?
I always carry around a calculator.

There is one built in to my phone.

454 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:34:53am

re: #450 Varek Raith

Wanna hear something nerdy?
I always carry around a calculator.

Does it have a leatherette case? Do you flip it open and pretend it’s a communicator and you’re talking to Captain Kirk?

455 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:35:11am

re: #302 sattv4u2

ummm,,, I think I’ll have the veggie burrito!!

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

Horsemeat scandal: Four new products test positive

Birds Eye’s Traditional Spaghetti Bolognese and Beef Lasagne - which the company says was taken off shelves last week as a precaution; Brakes’ Spicy Beef Skewer; Taco Bell’s Ground Beef.

What is the big deal?

456 Flounder  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:35:11am

re: #450 Varek Raith

Only if it is a reverse polish notation HP

457 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:35:19am

Wingnuts Derping over Obama saying “I am not a dictator.”

YES HE TOTALLY IS! HE’S LYING!!!!!1111!!! WORST DICTATOR EVER IN THE HISTORY OF TEH WHOLE WIDE WORLD EVER!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111TY

458 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:35:50am

re: #450 Varek Raith

Wanna hear something nerdy?
I always carry around a calculator.

That’s not nerdy. I have a slide rule with me. THAT’s nerdy… ;)

459 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:36:04am

re: #455 b_sharp

What is the big deal?

Did Wilber get rid of Mr Ed?

460 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:36:17am

re: #310 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks, I love a good steak and baked potato.

Happy Birthday old fart.
Enjoy your blue steak and baked potato.

461 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:36:34am

re: #454 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Does it have a leatherette case? Do you flip it open and pretend it’s a communicator and you’re talking to Captain Kirk?

I wish!
[Link: www.onesourceofficeproducts.com…]

462 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:36:52am

re: #460 b_sharp

Happy Birthday old fart.
Enjoy your blue steak and baked potato.

That steak will be red inside. I love them bloody.

463 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:37:46am

re: #453 NJDhockeyfan

There is one built in to my phone.

I don’t have a cell.
Happy I don’t need the annoying things.
XD

464 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:38:27am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

Marilyn Monroe.

465 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:39:01am

re: #463 Varek Raith

I don’t have a cell.
Happy I don’t need the annoying things.
XD

I wish I didn’t have one. People sending me texts drives me nuts. Why don’t they call me? I hate texting.

466 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:39:05am

re: #445 NJDhockeyfan

I saw 170,000,000. I need new reading glasses.

Well, it’s your birthday - you could get ‘em as a present!

467 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:39:19am

re: #328 darthstar

Mornin’ gang.

Sorry, I’m part of the Evenin’ gang.

468 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:40:37am

DERP

469 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:41:34am

re: #466 makeitstop

Well, it’s your birthday - you could get ‘em as a present!

I got my presents this morning. One kid gave me a log cabin birdhouse, the other gave me a football, and the wife gave me a DVD of the new James Bond movie, a new cell phone cover, and a rain check for a trip to Dallas to see Texas Stadium.

No reading glasses.

470 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:43:11am

re: #455 b_sharp

What is the big deal?

Here’s an old phrase with a new meaning:

WHERE’S THE BEEF???

471 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:43:27am

STAY CLASSY TGDN

472 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:44:07am

re: #462 NJDhockeyfan

That steak will be red inside. I love them bloody.

Blue is as bloody as they come.

473 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:45:16am

re: #472 b_sharp

Blue is as bloody as they come.

If it’s still cold inside it is tar tar. I like steak tar tar.

474 Eclectic Cyborg  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:46:18am

re: #468 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Wait, is that actually Ann Coulter’s account or a parody account?

475 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:47:07am

re: #473 NJDhockeyfan

If it’s still cold inside it is tar tar. I like steak tar tar.

Blue isn’t really cold, but it is cool. Charred surface, bloody mantle, and cool blue core.

476 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:47:15am

Uh oh. This isn’t going to go over very well.

Moscow Mayor says no to more mosques in the city

477 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:47:25am

re: #474 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait, is that actually Ann Coulter’s account or a parody account?

It doesn’t have a blue check mark but I think it is hers.

478 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:47:36am

re: #469 NJDhockeyfan

I got my presents this morning. One kid gave me a log cabin birdhouse, the other gave me a football, and the wife gave me a DVD of the new James Bond movie, a new cell phone cover, and a rain check for a trip to Dallas to see Texas Stadium.

No reading glasses.

Maybe next year. Nice gifts, though!

479 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:54:56am

re: #469 NJDhockeyfan

I got my presents this morning. One kid gave me a log cabin birdhouse, the other gave me a football, and the wife gave me a DVD of the new James Bond movie, a new cell phone cover, and a rain check for a trip to Dallas to see Texas Stadium.

No reading glasses.

Happy Birthday!

480 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:56:06am

re: #479 CuriousLurker

Happy Birthday!

Thanks! I gained more years and lost math skills all in one day!

481 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 9:56:54am

New Page-The beautiful and the beastial. What 3d printing has wrought so far.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

482 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:00:19am

DERP

483 HoosierHoops  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:01:35am

Good Morning.. I taped and rewatched the Woodward interview from last night on Hannity. ( I can’t stand the Hannity show.. I’d would have rather married Ann Coulter in Vegas after a 2 days of a drinking binge than watch Hannity ).
I said I’d keep an open mind on this and I think I have.
I don’t agree with Woodward’s actions in this case. I can’t say if it’s to sell books or he is out of his prime as a reporter and I’m surprised.
If what he thinks is a threat by the WH then he should retire from politics.
It’s a blood sport and if you can’t stand the heat get out of the the kitchen.
He lost his years of built up credibility in Washington. Sad but true.

484 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:05:20am

re: #483 HoosierHoops

Good Morning.. I taped and rewatched the Woodward interview from last night on Hannity. ( I can’t stand the Hannity show.. I’d would have rather married Ann Coulter in Vegas after a 2 days of a drinking binge than watch Hannity ).
I said I’d keep an open mind on this and I think I have.
I don’t agree with Woodward’s actions in this case. I can’t say if it’s to sell books or he is out of his prime as a reporter and I’m surprised.
If what he thinks is a threat by the WH then he should retire from politics.
It’s a blood sport and if you can’t stand the heat get out of the the kitchen.
He lost his years of built up credibility in Washington. Sad but true.

Bob Woodward=Dan Rather II.

485 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:07:49am

Is Mars about to get hit? Warning over approaching comet that could cause one BILLION megaton blast

A comet hurtling into our solar system from deep space could next year score a direct and cataclysmic impact on Mars, astronomers say.

According to current calculations, comet C/2013 A1 (Siding Spring) is set for a near miss that will bring it within 23,000 miles of the surface of the Red Planet.

But the unpredictable nature of comet orbits, which can change as jet-like geysers of steam erupt from their surfaces as they near the Sun, means it could pass further away, or veer into a direct collision course.

Respected astronomer Phil Plait, author of Slate’s Bad Astronomy blog, has calculated that even if the comet is just nine miles across - a low estimate - an impact with Mars would cause a one billion megaton explosion.

That, he says, is 25million times larger than the largest nuclear weapon ever tested on Earth.

486 Dr. Matt  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:08:50am

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

I got something that needs to be cut:DjangObamas nuts!That POS doesn’t need to reproduce again! #Dumbassliberals #TGDN #TCOT
— MR. PRODUCER (D-GA) (@TimHieb) March 1, 2013

STAY CLASSY TGDN

Looks like a good tweet for the Secret Service

487 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:09:46am

HISTORY IGNORANCE DERP


“Unpaid” founding fathers, maybe this is because they were already fabulously wealthy & owned hundreds of human beings?

488 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:10:35am

DERP

489 Lidane  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:12:03am

re: #488 Vicious Babushka

What fear and intimidation has Obama used at any point in time during his presidency?

These people are completely deranged.

490 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:13:13am

re: #489 Lidane

What fear and intimidation has Obama used at any point in time during his presidency?

These people are completely deranged.

BOB WOODWARD!!!!!!!!!!!1111111
BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111

491 Mattand  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:13:49am

re: #415 Lidane

One of my idiot wingnut relatives derped about that this morning:

I love my family, but this hurt my brain.

A healthy combo of Snopes and snark eliminated that problem for me.

My better half pointed out that for most people (particularly the conservative/tea bag set), it’s perfectly okay for them to spam you with crap, whether its a chain letter or a political rant.

But, man; when you point out to them the facts that prove them wrong? You’re a strident liberal

492 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:14:15am

re: #485 NJDhockeyfan

Is Mars about to get hit? Warning over approaching comet that could cause one BILLION megaton blast

The dinosaur killer was estimated at about 100 teratons.

493 Mattand  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:15:35am

re: #320 sattv4u2

Marin Environmentalist Claims Recreating Extinct Species Is Possible

[Link: sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com…]

Okay, so the question is, if they can recreate an extinct species, which would you like to see make a comeback!?!?

A sane Republican.

494 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:15:43am

re: #492 Varek Raith

The dinosaur killer was estimated at about 100 teratons.

Sounds like one heck of an explosion of it nails Mars.

And if the nucleus does hit Mars, the effect would be apocalyptic for the planet.

Estimates for the size of the comet’s core range from nine to 30 miles across, and astronomers say it will be moving at a phenomenal speed of 120,000mph upon impact - giving it huge kinetic energy.

Such an impact would leave a scar on Mars hundreds of kilometres across, says Plait.

Even worse for Earth-based observers, it would almost certainly destroy all our probes in orbit around and on the surface of the planet.

‘The ejecta would come screaming off the planet and sent every which way in orbit around Mars,’ Plait writes. ‘It would be like orbiting into a shotgun blast.’

495 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:16:03am

re: #491 Mattand

A healthy combo of Snopes and snark eliminated that problem for me.

My better half pointed out that for most people (particularly the conservative/tea bag set), it’s perfectly okay for them to spam you with crap, whether its a chain letter or a political rant.

But, man; when you point out to them the facts that prove them wrong? You’re a strident liberal

U CANT BELIEVE ANYTHING U SEE ON SNOAPS IT IS TEH SOROS!!11

496 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:17:51am

re: #492 Varek Raith

The dinosaur killer was estimated at about 100 teratons.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Everything within a thousand miles was destroyed instantly.

497 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:22:27am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
The comet will pass extremely close to Mars on 19 October 2014; there is even a small possibility that it could impact the planet.[2] With an observation arc of 74 days,[2] the nominal pass is 0.0007 AU (100,000 km; 65,000 mi) from the center-point of Mars.[2] Due to the uncertainty region, there is a small possibility that the comet will pass Mars as far away as 0.0079 AU (1,180,000 km; 730,000 mi).[2] The comet will pass Mars at a relative velocity of 56 km/s.[2] Estimates for the diameter of the nucleus vary from 8 up to 50 km, meaning the energy of impact might reach 20 billion megatons at the upper limit.[3][4] The diameter of an impact crater would be roughly ten times the diameter of the comet’s nucleus.[3] Observations by Leonid Elenin on 27 February 2013, suggest the comet may pass 0.000276 AU (41,300 km; 25,700 mi) from the center-point of Mars.[5]

498 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:24:44am

(Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut)

CNN has a big photo piece on the Roma.
[Link: cnnphotos.blogs.cnn.com…]

499 blueraven  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:32:49am

re: #480 NJDhockeyfan

Thanks! I gained more years and lost math skills all in one day!

Thats a feature, not a bug. Easy to miscalculate your age and stay younger!

500 kirkspencer  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:33:26am

re: #487 Vicious Babushka

HISTORY IGNORANCE DERP


“Unpaid” founding fathers, maybe this is because they were already fabulously wealthy & owned hundreds of human beings?

unpaid? The first congress of 1789 established its pay at $6 per diem for days in session. Inflation is a trick thing as the straight-line calculation makes that about $160 in 2012 dollars. As another calucalation, the average laborer earned about 50 cents a day, while an experienced ship carpenter earned about a dollar a day. Highly skilled and educated workers could earn as much as $12 per week. And it’s worth noting that unlike today, the Senators and Representatives of the time could continue running their businesses and plantations while serving.

501 CuriousLurker  Fri, Mar 1, 2013 11:38:51am

Wow, I just got around to watching this video—what incredible artistry & craftsmanship. I hope there will always be people in the world who to create such wonderful things, and yet others who appreciate them. Thanks for posting this.


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