Video: Bill Moyers With Zack Kopplin - Fighting Creeping Creationism

The creationist right never went away, and now they’re back stronger than ever

PoliticsMarch 2013 • Views: 27,884

Anti-creationism activist Zack Kopplin joins Bill to talk about fighting laws and voucher programs that let publicly-funded creationist curriculum in the back door of American classrooms. Also on the program, journalist and historian Susan Jacoby talks about the role secularism and intellectual curiosity have played throughout America’s history.

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Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:42:15pm

These people really see themselves as the new Galileos, rebels against established, oppressive authority. There is no getting them away from that thinking, there is only containing the damage they can do to education and society.

Tigger2005 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:42:40pm

Zack is my hero! I wanna be like Zack.

erik_t Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:44:09pm

re: #1 Sol Berdinowitz

These people really see themselves as the new Galileos, rebels against established, oppressive authority.

When established circles of knowledge and education laugh in your face, they’re usually right.

For every heliocentricism, there are ten thousand cold fusions.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 12:48:39pm

It is not an oppressive authority, it is an objective, peer-reviewed authority.

kerFuFFler Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:01:01pm

These people really see themselves as the new Galileos, rebels against established, oppressive authority.

The problem is, they “support” their “creation science” with snippets from a religious text and misrepresentations of scientific data——-like their claims of tremendous gaps in the fossil record. ( Whenever a new fossil bridging a former gap materializes the creationists then see two gaps, one on either side of the new specimen!) Their “science” amounts to a series of speculations, tautologies and distortions. And they wonder why they are not taken seriously!

HoosierHoops Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:05:52pm

OT: Every so often the news comes to your neighborhood.
This morning a young kid was involved in a high speed chase with the police.
He blew through a red light and caused a huge wreck down the street.
It has been blocked off and closed. Everybody figures there were fatalities cause it’s been over 5 hours now and still closed with detectives combing and gathering data at the scene. I saw a van being towed away that was broad sided. It was totally destroyed and if children were in the van they had no hope. Sobering crash scene.

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:09:39pm

Good news: Chad says soldiers in Mali kill al Qaeda’s Belmokhtar

Chadian soldiers in Mali have killed Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the al Qaeda commander behind a bloody mass hostage-taking at an Algerian gas plant in January, Chad’s military said on Saturday.

His death would be a major blow to Islamist rebels in northern Mali who have been pushed into their mountain strongholds by French and African forces.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:24:43pm

Thing is, the tactics being used to try to force creationism back into the classroom are the same that are being used to force a lot of archaic, small-minded ideas back into the intellectual commons. See also whining about how political correctness “stifles debates,” about charges of “racial entitlement,” and the numerous suggestions that the plethora of regulatory laws written over the decades to address free-market exploitation of workers and consumers alike are unnecessary if not unconstitutional because “the states should and could do the work better.”

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:29:59pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I am glad on one hand that America has a tradition of open communication.

One does not have to posess a Grand poobah set of credentials to be have a voice in the discussion, but there is a growing tendency is to dismiss an overwhelmingly qualified consensus on matters such as Evolution or Global Warming on the grounds that they are some sort of oppressive cabal.

This overlooks the fact that they are objective, based on verifiable and repeatable facts and data, subject to peer review and also subject to revision when new obersvations and data arise.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:33:19pm

The creationists have all the advantage, I mean have you ever seen eagles give birth to a bear? Of course not. Do you not realize that DNA has conclusively and finally disproved evolution? It’s in all the books.

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:41:39pm

re: #9 Sol Berdinowitz

I am glad on one hand that America has a tradition of open communication.

One does not have to posess a Grand poobah set of credentials to be have a voice in the discussion, but there is a growing tendency is to dismiss an overwhelmingly qualified consensus on matters such as Evolution or Global Warming on the grounds that they are some sort of oppressive cabal.

This overlooks the fact that they are objective, based on verifiable and repeatable facts and data, subject to peer review and also subject to revision when new obersvations and data arise.

True, which is why they hate the idea of peer-review, of multiple minds looking at, testing, and verifying their conclusions. To test is to deny faith, and that’s what their assertions generally run on, faith that the conclusion they’ve reached is the only possibly accurate one and any denial of it is to deny their faith. For so many of these witless wonders, the idea of a central authority that holds the power to determine what is “right” is only good if it is claiming divine right rather than the scientific method. They imagine themselves as modern-day Galileos, fighting against the authority of the Church, but in reality they want to reinvest power in the Church to decide what is science and what isn’t based upon interpretations of “God’s will.”

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:42:11pm

Checkin’ in

Lookin’ at the Bottom Comments

Seems as if I missed the Doggie Show!!

(and me, a canine lover!!)

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:43:30pm

re: #9 Sol Berdinowitz

One does not have to posess a Grand poobah set of credentials

I have the hat
Image: 07054497.interactive.a.jpg

Does that count!?!?!

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:44:01pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Good news: Chad says soldiers in Mali kill al Qaeda’s Belmokhtar

Number 2 ,,,, now serving number 2 ,,,,

Killgore Trout Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:51:03pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

Number 2 ,,,, now serving number 2 ,,,,

“Please be patient, a customer service drone will be with you shortly”

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:54:00pm

I am cleft through the heart. I have learned I am poorly logical and my mind is hardened beyond reason.

I can only shrink from further voice.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:55:36pm

re: #16 b_sharp

Take a hit, pass it on.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:58:30pm

re: #17 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Take a hit, pass it on.

I’m watching King Lear, so a hit fits.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 2, 2013 1:58:52pm

Creationists are servants of the Devil, spreading malicious lies and ignorance.

If you believe in that whole Devil deal that is. Otherwise, they’re just lying assholes.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:01:37pm

“hi i’m nitric oxide” - said NO?
— Andy Pandy (@_Pandy) March 1, 2013

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:03:05pm

“Are you H20?, I’m H202!”, said hydrogen peroxide.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:04:01pm

re: #18 b_sharp

I’m watching King Lear, so a hit fits.

Have you watched Ran?

AlexRogan Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:09:08pm

re: #20 Gus

re: #21 Sol Berdinowitz

“Are you H20?, I’m H202!”, said hydrogen peroxide.

NERRRRDDDDSSS!!!

/Ogre, Revenge of the Nerds

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:09:22pm

re: #22 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Have you watched Ran?

No I haven’t, so I’ll have to look for it on Netflix. If I find it I’ll grab the wife, who is a Shakespeare nut, and watch it over Guinness and 7 layer bean dip.

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:12:09pm

re: #24 b_sharp

An absolutely brilliant movie, and one of the best interpretations of King Lear ever, too.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:12:37pm

ICYMI

@toddkincannon @billyscoggins actually DNA has proved evolution false but atheist have to have something to hold on to.
— codemanod (@codemanod) March 2, 2013

makeitstop Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:13:08pm

re: #24 b_sharp

No I haven’t, so I’ll have to look for it on Netflix. If I find it I’ll grab the wife, who is a Shakespeare nut, and watch it over Guinness and 7 layer bean dip.

This is the second time 7 layer bean dip has come up here in a week. Is this a fad?

dragonath Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:14:49pm

re: #27 makeitstop

This is the second time 7 layer bean dip has come up here in a week. Is this a fad?

You mean there’s layers and stuff? Next, people are going to be asking for the long form recipe.

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:14:52pm

re: #27 makeitstop

This is the second time 7 layer bean dip has come up here in a week. Is this a fad?

try Mylanta!
/

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:15:58pm

re: #26 Gus

All I’m saying is this. Show me where two eagles fucked and a bear hatched from the egg and I’ll believe in evolution.

Show me a virgin giving birth and a dead man getting up and walking away three days later and I’ll believe in the Gospel.

makeitstop Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:16:43pm

re: #29 sattv4u2

try Mylanta!
/

I set ‘em up, you knock ‘em down.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:17:21pm

re: #25 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

An absolutely brilliant movie, and one of the best interpretations of King Lear ever, too.

Thanks for the heads up.
The wife and I see a fair number of Shakespeare plays either at the theatre or, at times, live.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:18:41pm

re: #31 makeitstop

I set ‘em up, you knock ‘em down.

Everybody plays the straight man to Satt’s jokes at one time or another.

makeitstop Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:23:03pm

re: #33 b_sharp

Everybody plays the straight man to Satt’s jokes at one time or another.

I felt like Dan Rowan for a minute there… Say goodnight, Satt…

dragonath Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:23:43pm

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

When I hear Christians complaining about how patently absurd it is that Gabriel dictated the Koran to Muhammad, I just whistle and walk away.

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:24:29pm

re: #35 dragonath

When I hear Christians complaining about how patently absurd it is that Gabriel dictated the Koran to Muhammad, I just whistle and walk away.

Same here. Except not with my mouth.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:25:30pm

re: #35 dragonath

When I hear Christians complaining about how patently absurd it is that Gabriel dictated the Koran to Muhammad, I just whistle and walk away.

There’s no arguing with these folks, there is only limiting the damage that they can do to education and politics.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:27:57pm

re: #30 Sol Berdinowitz

Show me a virgin giving birth and a dead man getting up and walking away three days later and I’ll believe in the Gospel.

It’s all pretty strange. I mean, one has to be an atheist in order to accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old? One has to be an atheist to accept that universe is billions of years old? In plate tectonics? Carbon dating? Fossils? I say that because if no on came up with the concept of good, atheism would basically not exist. It would be an innate quality. Religion is not science.

wrenchwench Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:28:21pm

re: #26 Gus

ICYMI

DNA has proved evolution false

I can’t get over that one.

atheist have to have something to hold on to

Now that I think of it, I can’t get over that one either.

stabby Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:28:33pm

re: #24 b_sharp

20 years ago, Ran was my favorite movie. I remember looking for a tape of it, back when it was still hard to get VHS of some movies. It was over $70 so I decided I couldn’t justify buying it.

stabby Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:29:31pm

It might have been Betamax not VHS…

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:30:28pm

re: #39 wrenchwench

I can’t get over that one.

Now that I think of it, I can’t get over that one either.

OK, class, the next lesson will cover evolution. But first, before we begin, you have to get God out of your head. There is no God! God is a delusion! Religion is child abuse! God is dead! He never existed! GOT IT?!

OK, open the book to chapter 19.

engineer cat Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:32:19pm

Chad

those who are too shallow are fated to spend their next life in a country named after a prom queen’s boyfriend

Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:33:45pm

re: #22 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Have you watched Ran?

Can’t go wrong with Throne of Blood.

Youtube Video

Dr Lizardo Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:34:13pm

Pshaw. Christian creationists have nothing on their Muslim counterparts. Look at Turkey. From what I’ve read, a fairly large majority of Turks are creationists, albeit of the Old Earth variety.

freetoken Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:34:48pm

Willard is trying to make himself relevant:

Romney Says Sequester ‘Golden Moment’ Squandered by Obama

President Barack Obama and the U.S. Congress are squandering an “almost once-in-generational opportunity for America to solve its fiscal problems,” former Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said.

That opportunity, Romney said in a “Fox News Sunday” interview, according to the transcript, was the combination of the expiration of Republican President George W. Bush’s income- tax cuts at the end of 2012 and the automatic spending cuts that went into effect yesterday.

[…]

Some people just don’t know when to go riding into the sunset.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:35:00pm

re: #3 erik_t

When established circles of knowledge and education laugh in your face, they’re usually right.

For every heliocentricism, there are ten thousand cold fusions.

“They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown.” - Carl Sagan

b_sharp Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:35:02pm

re: #40 stabby

20 years ago, Ran was my favorite movie. I remember looking for a tape of it, back when it was still hard to get VHS of some movies. It was over $70 so I decided I couldn’t justify buying it.

I may have to use the US Netflix DNS since the Canuck version doesn’t have it.

freetoken Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:39:45pm

Math fail:

In Voting Rights Arguments, Chief Justice Misconstrued Census Data

The number of black citizens eligible to vote in Massachusetts is 236,000, while it is 721,000 in Mississippi, more than three times that number. Therefore, according to Census officials, when looking at the estimated turnout rate in Massachusetts, the voting percentage for African-Americans at first blush is estimated at 39.3 percent. But the margin of error is 11.5 percentage points, meaning that the black voter turnout actually could be as high as 50.8 percent (or, conversely, as low as 27.8 percent).

No, that is not the correct “meaning”.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:40:33pm

re: #40 stabby

20 years ago, Ran was my favorite movie. I remember looking for a tape of it, back when it was still hard to get VHS of some movies. It was over $70 so I decided I couldn’t justify buying it.

I got it on sale on DVD for like $9 a while back.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:40:33pm

Irony truly dead. Malaysian gov that put con bloggers on payroll is REAL Friends of Hamas: nyti.ms/UQoRDw
— billmon (@billmon1) March 2, 2013

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:42:02pm

re: #38 Gus

It’s all pretty strange. I mean, one has to be an atheist in order to accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old? One has to be an atheist to accept that universe is billions of years old? In plate tectonics? Carbon dating? Fossils? I say that because if no on came up with the concept of good, atheism would basically not exist. It would be an innate quality. Religion is not science.

The point is that modern science is not compatible with a literal reading of the Scriptures. For many people, that is a litumus test of True Faith.

Christ, even the (ex-)Pope sees no contradiction between Biblical Creation and Evolution.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:42:02pm

Derp.

freetoken Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:42:03pm

Journalists should not attempt math anymore than more than Rush Limbaugh should attempt ballet.

freetoken Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:45:38pm

Science Fail (but it’s the NRO so this is consistent with previous findings):

Volcano Lancing Watch

sagehen Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:51:30pm

re: #52 Sol Berdinowitz

The point is that modern science is not compatible with ~~a literal reading of the Scriptures~~ approaching Scripture with a 2nd-grade reading comprehension level. For many people, that is a litumus test of True Faith.

Genesis chapter 1 consists of a creation narrative that starts from nothing and goes up until people.

Then it loops back, and…

Genesis chapter 2 consists of *another* creation narrative that starts from nothing and goes up until people.

But things happens in a different order. And God uses different methods. And it’s not exactly the same people. (Lilith? Huh?)

There’s clear, obvious evidence right there in the text, Chapters 1 and 2 so you’ll get to it right away, that the reader was never intended to take either narrative as a literal, factual recounting of events. That you’re meant to look for a deeper meaning, because metaphor is not a modern invention.

Creationists aren’t just scientifically wrong; they’re theologically wrong.

abolitionist Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:53:19pm

re: #54 freetoken

Journalists should not attempt math anymore than more than Rush Limbaugh should attempt ballet.

[ nerd ]Perhaps they should stick to base one.
[/nerd]

freetoken Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:53:37pm

If there is no tree to fall in the forest, will anyone not hear it?

What Happens When Forest Elephants Are Wiped Out in an Ecosystem?

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 2:55:22pm

re: #56 sagehen

You need not convince me of that, but fundamentalists do not see these as the works of human beings in a particular historical and social setting who were inspired by God, they see them as being dictated by God and merely written out by human hands.

Any attempt at arguing the former view with them is seen as “relativism” or “revisionism” and rejected outright in favor of a literal reading of texts that are inconsistent within themselves as well as being incompatible with obersrved facts and modern science.

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:05:42pm

Fundamentalist don’t know what they believe, they are brainwashed drones.

And they can donate easily, with Mastercard, Visa, American Express and Paypal.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:10:56pm

Some schools take taxpayer-funded vouchers and teach creationism in science class. We mapped them: bit.ly/Z7EF5j
— Moyers & Company (@MoyersStaff) March 2, 2013

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:14:21pm

re: #61 Gus

Some schools take taxpayer-funded vouchers and teach creationism in science class. We mapped them: bit.ly/Z7EF5j
— Moyers & Company (@MoyersStaff) March 2, 2013

Whoa, major creationist outbreak in Florida.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:16:05pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

Whoa, major creationist outbreak in Florida.

A lot in Indiana, Ohio.

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:19:45pm

re: #61 Gus

Interesting when the same people say the government pays for abortions …

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:20:12pm

Arizona, big surprise.

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:22:02pm

Is it too early in the thread for cuteness?

Targetpractice Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:22:07pm

re: #46 freetoken

Willard is trying to make himself relevant:

Romney Says Sequester ‘Golden Moment’ Squandered by Obama

Some people just don’t know when to go riding into the sunset.

Then do tell Willard, how is Obama supposed to “lead” your party to the negotiation table and make them accept new revenues in addition to budgetary cuts? Hell, let’s just skip to the chase: He can’t, you know that, and you’re using the “he needs to lead” argument to cover your party’s ass.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:23:19pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

Then do tell Willard, how is Obama supposed to “lead” your party to the negotiation table and make them accept new revenues in addition to budgetary cuts? Hell, let’s just skip to the chase: He can’t, you know that, and you’re using the “he needs to lead” argument to cover your party’s ass.

He iss not ze Diktator!!!

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:24:36pm

I’m not aze diktator either. If I were there were be complete Reproductive Choice and Comprehensive Science Education.

Period.

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:33:14pm

re: #63 Gus

A lot in Indiana, Ohio.

I’m actually surprised that there aren’t more. Non in Texas? Mississippi, Arkansas, the Dakotas, Iowa. hell, even New Hampshire and Maine have some large pockets of fundamentalists

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:33:25pm

re: #69 FemNaziBitch

I’m not aze diktator either. If I were there were be complete Reproductive Choice and Comprehensive Science Education.

Period.

You mean you would force the LGBT lifestye on good Christians and force them to deny their faith in God’s Creation?

Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:33:33pm

re: #6 HoosierHoops

OT: Every so often the news comes to your neighborhood.
This morning a young kid was involved in a high speed chase with the police.
He blew through a red light and caused a huge wreck down the street.
It has been blocked off and closed. Everybody figures there were fatalities cause it’s been over 5 hours now and still closed with detectives combing and gathering data at the scene. I saw a van being towed away that was broad sided. It was totally destroyed and if children were in the van they had no hope. Sobering crash scene.

Saw a kid knocked over at traffic lights the other week, didn’t see the accident but, yeah, more than enough. Did see one happen a few years ago from a hundred yards, everything slows down at that distance. Damn.

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:33:53pm

re: #66 FemNaziBitch

Is it too early in the thread for cuteness?

never too early, too late, nor too much

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:35:31pm

re: #70 sattv4u2

I’m actually surprised that there aren’t more. Non in Texas? Mississippi, Arkansas, the Dakotas, Iowa. hell, even New Hampshire and Maine have some large pockets of fundamentalists

Maybe because some states you don’t need to go to a voucher school in order to be taught creationism.

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:36:41pm

re: #71 Sol Berdinowitz

You mean you would force the LGBT lifestye on good Christians and force them to deny their faith in God’s Creation?

/

OMG, you deciphered my code. Now you know my nefarious plan, good thing I’m not diktator!

/;)

Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:38:09pm

re: #73 sattv4u2

never too early, too late, nor too much

We are still talking about cuteness?, because the above can apply to a whole gosh darn array of fun things

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:39:00pm

re: #74 Gus

Maybe because some states you don’t need to go to a voucher school in order to be taught creationism.

I understand that. There is one here in Georgia that I’m aware of that isn’t on the voucher program that teaches it. That stated, I’m still surprised that there aren’t more that take AND teach (after all, it’s “free”!)

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:39:41pm

re: #76 Wozza Matter?

We are still talking about cuteness, because the above can apply to a whole gosh darn array of fun things

never too early, too late, nor too much!!!!

(btw,, ltns)

Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:41:16pm

Oh, and ‘hai’.
I trust we are all well as to be expected?

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:42:08pm

re: #77 sattv4u2

I understand that. There is one here in Georgia that I’m aware of that isn’t on the voucher program that teaches it. That stated, I’m still surprised that there aren’t more that take AND teach (after all, it’s “free”!)

Probably to avoid getting sued. :D

Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:43:13pm

re: #78 sattv4u2

If I’ve been in half a dozen times in the last year it will surprise me.
Been hella busy. Good to see some familiar nics tho.

dragonath Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:47:30pm

re: #58 freetoken

If there is no tree to fall in the forest, will anyone not hear it?

What Happens When Forest Elephants Are Wiped Out in an Ecosystem?

re: #59 Sol Berdinowitz

You need not convince me of that, but fundamentalists do not see these as the works of human beings in a particular historical and social setting who were inspired by God, they see them as being dictated by God and merely written out by human hands.

God hates Elephants?

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:49:02pm

The 70’s was an easy time for the Magical Balance Fairy. She mostly just had to pretend that white people looked good dancing disco.

Image: 529867_10151279759571373_1375628451_n.jpg

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:49:28pm

if I were diktator, I would forbid the extinction of pachyderms!

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:52:59pm

re: #81 Wozza Matter?

If I’ve been in half a dozen times in the last year it will surprise me.
Been hella busy. Good to see some familiar nics tho.

Back atchya

FemNaziBitch Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:54:33pm

bbl

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:55:22pm

bbiab

sons home from college for the week and if I put food out on the table he might,, MIGHT emerge from his room long enough for us to get a glimpse of him!!

Wozza Matter? Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:56:07pm

re: #85 sattv4u2

Back atchya

Will try and pop back in more often.
Logging off, dog tired and under the weather.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:57:21pm

re: #88 Wozza Matter?

Will try and pop back in more often.
Logging off, dog tired and under the weather.

Have moar scotch!

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:57:58pm

re: #83 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The 70’s was an easy time for the Magical Balance Fairy. She mostly just had to pretend that white people looked good dancing disco.

Image: 529867_10151279759571373_1375628451_n.jpg

Cool trick! You made a magician turn into a disco dancer!!

sattv4u2 Sat, Mar 2, 2013 3:58:23pm

re: #88 Wozza Matter?

Will try and pop back in more often.
Logging off, dog tired and under the weather.

better than being weather beaten and under the dog!!

Kragar (Antichrist ) Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:12:29pm

Teri James, Pregnant Woman Allegedly Fired For Premarital Sex, Sues Christian School

Teri James, 29, told the news outlet that she did sign a two-page contract with San Diego Christian College that included a provision agreeing not to engage in “sexually immoral behavior including premarital sex.”

“I needed a job in this economy and so I never thought that anything would happen,” James explained to “Today.”

But James said she was humiliated after being pulled into her supervisor’s office last fall, where she was asked if she was pregnant and then was let go. After James lost her job, she claims the school offered a position to her now-husband, even though they were aware he’d had sex before getting married, too.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:16:20pm

Gangnam Style & Harlem Shake Tunisia Version Père Blanc

Youtube Video

efuseakay Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:17:36pm

re: #36 b_sharp

Same here. Except not with my mouth.

Did you leave a cuppa cheese behind?

abolitionist Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:19:27pm

re: #92 Kragar (Antichrist )

Teri James, Pregnant Woman Allegedly Fired For Premarital Sex, Sues Christian School

Sounds like she has a good civil rights case —discrimination on the basis of gender.

Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:21:48pm

MarsFest 2013: At the top of Mars Hill with Aaron Zent during the field trip this afternoon. twitter.com/NASAAmes/statu…
— Ames Research Center (@NASAAmes) March 3, 2013

Charles Johnson Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:29:43pm

PR Firm Advises U.S. To Cut Ties With Alabama

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Gus Sat, Mar 2, 2013 4:51:12pm

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teleskiguy Sat, Mar 2, 2013 9:49:47pm

I love the Moyers/Jacoby interview. I commend Kopplin for his steadfast logic in the face of such idiocy.

But I really love this guy Robert Ingersoll! Secular thinking people need more leadership in the vein of a legend like Ingersoll. And that makes me miss guys like Hitchens all the more.

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StephenMeansMe Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:29:23am

re: #95 abolitionist

Except that, as a private Christian school, they probably have the Get Out of the Fourteenth Amendment Free card of considering all employees to be “ministers.” Because ministers can be fired for “not adhering to the church’s beliefs,” and there’s no actual definition of “minister.”

It’s utterly perverse.

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