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Just an old-fashioned open thread… not much more to say… that’s really all there is to it… if you need me I’ll be watching the new episode of “The Walking Dead.”
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Bubblehead II Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:31:25pm |
Night Lizards. Melt down mode. May the Deity of YOUR smiles down upon you.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:33:18pm |
Feline Overlords now have a mission. Shiny red dot (laser pointer) MUST DIE!!
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:39:22pm |
If I disappear I suspect this would have been my fate.
[Link: xkcd.com…]
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AlexRogan Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:43:03pm |
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:43:04pm |
I will try the Vikings on the “History” channel tonight. At least it’s not about alien visitations.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:50:07pm |
From the “This is horribly stupid, but accounting says the numbers have to match” Department.
Friends of mine moved as a result of damage to their rented home by Sandy. Since they closed out their utilities they got a pro-rated refund from the gas company.
A check for $0.02. That cost $0.45 for postage to mail. And not even going into the additional processing costs and so forth just cutting and mailing the check.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:50:22pm |
re: #7 Achilles Tang
I will try the Vikings on the “History” channel tonight. At least it’s not about alien visitations.
NEXT ON THE “HISTORY” CHANNEL: WERE THE VIKINGS REALLY ALIENS?
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AlexRogan Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:53:09pm |
re: #8 Feline Fearless Leader
From the “This is horribly stupid, but accounting says the numbers have to match” Department.
Friends of mine moved as a result of damage to their rented home by Sandy. Since they closed out their utilities they got a pro-rated refund from the gas company.
A check for $0.02. That cost $0.45 for postage to mail. And not even going into the additional processing costs and so forth just cutting and mailing the check.
A cost of $1-2 to print, process, and mail a two-cent check.
That’s some serious DERP right there.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:53:55pm |
re: #8 Feline Fearless Leader
From the “This is horribly stupid, but accounting says the numbers have to match” Department.
Friends of mine moved as a result of damage to their rented home by Sandy. Since they closed out their utilities they got a pro-rated refund from the gas company.
A check for $0.02. That cost $0.45 for postage to mail. And not even going into the additional processing costs and so forth just cutting and mailing the check.
Just think of the hilarity if the power carrier sent them a BILL for $0.02.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:55:13pm |
These wingnuts have no idea what Reagan was really like. They would call him a RINO if he was around today.
@tonyzump If only Romney could have been like Reagan. Proud & unabashed to talk conservatism to the American people. But he wasn’t. #tgdn— Reaganite (@sskip800) March 4, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:56:48pm |
OBAMA IS OF TEH STAN
Obama is pure evil….i truly believe this #ctot #tgdn— tammy harris (@tammyrenee81) March 4, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:57:38pm |
DERP. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DERANGED.
Obama’s daily diary is filled with ways on how to destroy America#ctot #tgdn— Lynette(@BulldogZealot) March 4, 2013
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AlexRogan Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:57:45pm |
re: #12 Vicious Babushka
Just think of the hilarity if the power carrier sent them a BILL for $0.02.
Something that, if not paid, would be sent to collections and ruin their credit.
And cost thousands of percent more than the original sum to try to collect.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:59:05pm |
re: #16 Vicious Babushka
DERP. THESE PEOPLE ARE FUCKING DERANGED.
Please stop subjecting yourself to that level of venom.
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:59:18pm |
re: #12 Vicious Babushka
Just think of the hilarity if the power carrier sent them a BILL for $0.02.
I’ve gotten one of those. Wrote the wrong number on a check and ended up shorting a credit card payment by $0.12 or something. So I got a follow-up bill for $0.12. Which I ignored since I was not going to waste a check, envelope, and stamp on that trivial of an amount.
It ended up rolled into the next bill - along with a late payment charge.
So I paid the full bill. And then wrote the company a nice letter on why I wanted my account canceled since they did not have very good review standards on their automated systems to prevent it from being really inefficient and stupid. And that they punished those who refused to play along. :p
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 6:59:50pm |
re: #18 Dark_Falcon
Please stop subjecting yourself to that level of venom.
But it’s so much fun to watch them eat their own!
Pls RT: John Boehner hauls up his freshly laundered white of surrender again.Gives into Obama on #budget #teaparty #debt #tcto #war #tgdn— Tea Party Nation (@teapartynation) March 4, 2013
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:00:28pm |
re: #14 dragonath
ARE THEY REALLY ALIENS?
If you’ve ever watched “Valhalla Rising” you might actually start thinking so.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:05:34pm |
I hope the FBI is watching
RT @reagan_girl: The government is NOT the republic. Time 2 overturn the government so we cn save R republic. #TGDN #LNYHBT @modelbebegirl— edb (@bettered) March 4, 2013
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:06:58pm |
re: #13 Vicious Babushka
These wingnuts have no idea what Reagan was really like. They would call him a RINO if he was around today.
Here is a link to Cato Policy Analysis No. 107 from 1988 that bemoans Reagan’s protectionist policies. The Reagan Record On Trade:
Rhetoric Vs. Reality
The Reagan policy has harmed the United States in several ways. The most obvious harm is to the day-to-day economy. Consumers pay more for products when quotas make imports artificially scarce and when tariffs make them artificially expensive. This has happened with the auto, textile, and sugar industries, where consumers have been made to pay tens of billions of dollars for the benefit of a relative few. The World Bank estimates that import restrictions in 1984 had the same effect as a 66 percent income tax surcharge on America’s poorest citizens.
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Ming Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:23:12pm |
Interesting post about Google Glass:
http://creativegood.com/blog/the-google-glass-feature-no-one-is-talking-about/
The world is changing too quickly for me.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:29:59pm |
Sunday Night Macro Photography. Spring begins to show itself.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:35:21pm |
Was enjoying my horse meat sandwich when I found a piece of lobster in it.— Steve Martin (@SteveMartinToGo) March 2, 2013
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:42:47pm |
re: #20 Vicious Babushka
But it’s so much fun to watch them eat their own!
In that loon’s mind, any compromise is tantamount to surrender. I’m actually glad someone like that doesn’t see eye-to-eye with the Speaker of the House. The real problems would occur if we ever had a house speaker that kind of purity nut liked.
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:46:41pm |
Here is an interesting snip from the Cato Policy Institute link from 1988 I posted above ..
The basic purpose of an economic system is not to create jobs or to sell products abroad. Those are the means. The end is the satisfaction of our material wants. Free trade is good because our standard of living is directly related to how easily we can get the products and services we want, no matter where they come from.
This paragraph points out the unpatriotic greed in the conservative worldview. The basic purpose of the economy is to serve me, right now.
If the Nation destroys its environment in order to increase the standard of living right now, that’s great. If a Nation guts it’s industrial base in order to make consumer goods cheaper for consumers right now, better yet. Anything we can do right now to increase the standard of living for people right this moment is worth pursuing regardless of any long-term implications. F*ck the future generations of Americans.
That is pretty much the mission statement for the modern conservative movement.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:49:30pm |
re: #24 Ming
Interesting post about Google Glass:
http://creativegood.com/blog/the-google-glass-feature-no-one-is-talking-about/
The world is changing too quickly for me.
Eh, it’s been coming for years. David Brin’s been writing about these concepts for at least 15 years. Go pick up a copy of Earth or Existence and you’ll find lots of interesting ruminations on those concerns.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:51:28pm |
re: #30 Mich-again
From your link
The end is the satisfaction of our material wants.
Of course we don’t need to do anything to allow us to afford those wants…//
Dumbest effing analysis I have seen for some time.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:52:04pm |
This story was painful to read:
The emotional funerals of an young Orthodox Jewish couple who both died in a horrific hit-and-run car crash, but were survived by their premature baby son, took place on Sunday afternoon.
The driver of a BMW slammed into the car carrying Nachman and Raizy Glauber, both 21, at an intersection in the Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn.
The seven-months pregnant woman was feeling ill so headed to hospital with her husband early Sunday when the car they were riding in was hit, killing them both.
Their baby boy was delivered by emergency caesarean and survived, yet remains in a serious condition in hospital.
Jewish law calls for burial of the dead as soon as possible, and hours after their deaths, the Glaubers were mourned at a funeral on Sunday.
Two photos:
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:53:07pm |
re: #30 Mich-again
The concept of economics that Cato (and similar outfits) push is very much ego-centric.
Indeed, that’s why they love Atlas Shrugs and it’s author so much - it’s a worldview all built around the Self.
In this sense the “libertarians” are very much part of the 20th marketing paradigm developed from insights from psychology, that make up the basics of modern marketing.
The ascendance of the “one” over the “many” is their fundamental belief.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:54:52pm |
re: #7 Achilles Tang
I will try the Vikings on the “History” channel tonight. At least it’s not about alien visitations.
Hah! Why do you think those Norse who made it to Newfoundland disappeared without a trace?
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:57:38pm |
re: #26 Political Atheist
Sunday Night Macro Photography. Spring begins to show itself.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Nice. I did a concert Friday night - Kevin Bowe & the Okemah Prophets - and that was rather like spring up here. Good americana rock. I was going to use my TLR but just not enough light for an 80/3.5 so I busted out my Oly EP-L1 & my Nikkors (24/2.8, 50/1.4, & 105/2.5 @ 2x crop factor) instead. Lots of fun. Gotta put some up on my web page tomorrow.
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 3, 2013 7:58:24pm |
re: #35 freetoken
Hah! Why do you think those Norse who made it to Newfoundland disappeared without a trace?
Greenland. Little Ice Age. Took some time, and not without a trace.
Newfoundland..Many later non Vikings also disappeared without a trace.
But I take the joke.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:00:08pm |
This is America, 3 March 2013:
Where’s the evidence for global warming
I was reading an article on the wollemi pine tree in the March issue of the Smithsonian magazine. What’s special about this pine tree? It has been extinct since the time of the dinosaurs.
The article goes on to say the wollemi pine survived 17 different ice ages over millions of years. As a Christian, I do not hold to the belief system supporting millions of years. I do see the evidence for one ice age.
The evidence shows much of North America was covered by large layers of glacial ice. The northern part of the U.S. is no longer covered in ice. What happened? It is obvious: the ice melted. The conflict I see is man was not around, the millions of years belief, or men were few, young earth, and not a significant factor in global warming. Why, then, is our government pushing all these government controls that drive up the cost of energy, food and other items?
We should not waste our resources, but we are not to be subservient to the process of conserving them. How much of our national wealth has gone to foreign countries because we would not drill for our own oil? How much of our tax money has been thrown away supporting green energy projects?
Where is the evidence that man caused all the prior incidents of global warming? (I forgot, man was not there). What is the scientific evidence showing man is now causing global warming? I do not mean projections based on assumptions or what fallible mankind believes.
Knox Bennett
Clover
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:00:42pm |
re: #37 Achilles Tang
Vikings did make it to Newfoundland. Then they gave milk to the local tribes. The local tribes were lactose intolerant.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:02:22pm |
re: #37 Achilles Tang
Oh, if you only had faith… THOR A VIKING GOD OR ANCIENT ALIEN
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:02:34pm |
re: #39 freetoken
This is America, 3 March 2013:
That person should not be allowed to vote or hold office.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:03:24pm |
re: #39 freetoken
You have to admire (can’t quite think of the word) the pigheadedness of announcing that his mind is closed before he asks for evidence.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:03:29pm |
re: #39 freetoken
This is America, 3 March 2013:
“I’m lookin’ over,
A DERP from Clover…”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:04:48pm |
Winguts are their own best argument as to why birthright citizenship is a mistake.
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Political Atheist Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:07:46pm |
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:09:39pm |
Speaking of the circular firing squad, in case you’ve all missed it, Bill O’ is in trouble with the literalists:
Bill O’Reilly Compares His Bible Believing Christian Critics To Jihadists?
WND’s take:
Bill O’Reilly: The Bible contradicts itself
However, what stands out to me is this part in the News Hound article:
…. Last week, Bill interviewed the producers of the History Channel’s “The Bible.” Given that Bill once claimed that he was a creationist and said that “Judeo-Christian myth is not a myth,” his comments to his guests were shocking. After they expressed belief in a literal interpretation of Genesis, he opined that the Bible is allegorical. (Talk about evolution!) Not surprisingly, he got blowback from bible literalists whom he took to task in a subsequent “Tip” segment during which he - ready for it - preached about not being judgmental. Looks like O’Reilly can give it - but he can’t take it!
That’s right, the “History” channel is running religious doctrine as history on their channel.
This new series called The Bible has been pushed heavily.
The History Channel has discovered that doing actually history is not profitable. So they turn to aliens, Nazis, and religious instruction to fill their broadcasts with something that will sell.
This is America, 2013.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:10:09pm |
Texas cut family-planning services to save money, results in projected loss of $273M after spike in unplanned births: nyti.ms/WBpvtj
— Angelo Carusone (@GoAngelo) March 3, 2013
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Achilles Tang Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:12:22pm |
re: #40 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Vikings did make it to Newfoundland. Then they gave milk to the local tribes. The local tribes were lactose intolerant.
So the locals thought they were being poisoned with stomach cramps and killed them. Makes a sort of sense.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:13:05pm |
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:13:17pm |
re: #34 freetoken
The concept of economics that Cato (and similar outfits) push is very much ego-centric.
Indeed, that’s why they love Atlas Shrugs and it’s author so much - it’s a worldview all built around the Self.
In this sense the “libertarians” are very much part of the 20th marketing paradigm developed from insights from psychology, that make up the basics of modern marketing.
The ascendance of the “one” over the “many” is their fundamental belief.
It is neither patriotic nor Christian to hold the view that your standard of living right now is more important than that of future generations. The GOP claims to carry the torch for both patriotism and Christian values but its a lie. Their real mission statement is “Its all about me!”
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:14:09pm |
re: #47 freetoken
Speaking of the circular firing squad, in case you’ve all missed it, Bill O’ is in trouble with the literalists:
Bill O’Reilly Compares His Bible Believing Christian Critics To Jihadists?
WND’s take:
Bill O’Reilly: The Bible contradicts itself
However, what stands out to me is this part in the News Hound article:
That’s right, the “History” channel is running religious doctrine as history on their channel.
This new series called The Bible has been pushed heavily.
The History Channel has discovered that doing actually history is not profitable. So they turn to aliens, Nazis, and religious instruction to fill their broadcasts with something that will sell.
This is America, 2013.
This isn’t a surprise. Bill O’Reilly is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church has long been opposed to biblical literalism. This sort of literalist attack by Protestants upon Catholicism has occurred ever since the time of Martin Luther.
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SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:14:32pm |
the show’s long-term viability should be questioned though, because it does not appear to involve any instances of old guys arguing over the price of a piece of rusted shit found in another old guy’s garage
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:15:19pm |
#breaking Obama to nominate Walmart foundation head Sylvia Mathews Burwell as White House budget chief on Monday: sources— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) March 3, 2013
[Makes popcorn.]
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:16:42pm |
re: #55 SpaceJesus
the show’s long-term viability should be questioned though, because it does not appear to involve any instances of old guys arguing over the price of a piece of rusted shit found in another old guy’s garage
Maybe they can work in a woman who is exploiting her children for a few bucks?
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:20:02pm |
re: #53 Mich-again
It is neither patriotic nor Christian to hold the view that your standard of living right now is more important than that of future generations.
If you go over and read some of the 1238 comments on that article on Bill O’ over at WND, for example, you’ll find plenty of evidence that the turning off of the critical/logical part of the brain as practiced by creationists keeps them from seeing what is obvious about politics in the US in 2013.
Namely, that the “libertarian” and ultra-rich-centric policies of the GOP are about as anti-Christian as anything else, understanding “Christian” as practiced in both the East and West the past 19 millennia.
But politics makes for strange bedfellows, and the literalists/creationists/evangelicals (mostly) have made their bed with the billionaire swindlers.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:20:31pm |
re: #57 Kragar (Antichrist )
Maybe they can work in a woman who is exploiting her children for a few bucks?
Or doing the Cha-cha in skimpy costumes?
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:22:27pm |
re: #1 AlexRogan
Damn zombies…
///
It’s Ann Coulter! RUN!!
It’s Jim Hoft! RUN!!
It’s Pamela Gellar! RUN!!
It’s Michelle Malkin! RUN!!
It’s Glenn Beck! RUN!!
It’s Louie Gohmert! RUN!!
It’s Jan Brewer! RUN!!
It’s Ted Cruz! RUN!!
It’s Scott Walker! RUN!!
It’s Scott Brown! RUN!!
It’s Rick Scott! RUN!!
It’s Bobby Jindal! RUN!!
It’s Dana Loesch! RUN!!
It’s Bryan Fischer! RUN!!
It’s Rick Perry! RUN!!
It’s Michele Bachmann! RUN!!
It’s Orly Taitz! RUN!!
It’s Herman Cain! RUN!!
It’s Rick Santorum! RUN!!
It’s Sarah Palin! RUN!!
It’s Ben Shapiro! RUN!!
It’s Marco Rubio! RUN!!
It’s Ron Paul! RUN!!
It’s Rand Paul! RUN!!
It’s Paul Ryan! RUN!!
It’s Grover Norquist! RUN!!
It’s Wayne LaPierre! RUN!!
It’s Todd Akin! RUN!!
I might not know much, but I know my zombies.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:23:36pm |
Dancing With The Dead
The Real Wives of The Dead
Honey The Dead
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:23:37pm |
re: #46 Political Atheist
Please do.
Still up to my backside in edit mode. I actually shot several hundred images which isn’t that big a deal in the digital age but I usually act like I’m using film and have only a couple rolls with me. Not Friday :eek:
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:28:01pm |
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chadu Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:28:41pm |
re: #63 jaunte
When I drive home to PA, I pass Jockey Hollow, which is euphemistic as heck.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:31:08pm |
re: #9 Vicious Babushka
NEXT ON THE “HISTORY” CHANNEL: WERE THE VIKINGS REALLY ALIENS?
South Park had an episode about that. Heh.
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:31:49pm |
re: #39 freetoken
This is America, 3 March 2013:
I do not mean projections based on assumptions or what fallible mankind believes.
If mankind is fallible, doesn’t that indicate something about his belief in God?
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BongCrodny Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:33:37pm |
re: #65 chadu
When I drive home to PA, I pass Jockey Hollow, which is euphemistic as heck.
A friend of mine in Virginia lives just off a road called Dismal Hallow.
My first thought was who in their right mind would name a road that?
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SpaceJesus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:34:07pm |
re: #47 freetoken
the firing squad doesn’t really show up until freep has 400+ posts calling for a boycott of fox news, a mass deportation of the irish, and proclaiming america’s 97th death
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:39:57pm |
re: #60 BongCrodny
It’s Ann Coulter! RUN!!
It’s Jim Hoft! RUN!!
It’s Pamela Gellar! RUN!!
It’s Michelle Malkin! RUN!!
It’s Glenn Beck! RUN!!
It’s Louie Gohmert! RUN!!
It’s Jan Brewer! RUN!!
It’s Ted Cruz! RUN!!
It’s Scott Walker! RUN!!
It’s Scott Brown! RUN!!
It’s Rick Scott! RUN!!
It’s Bobby Jindal! RUN!!
It’s Dana Loesch! RUN!!
It’s Bryan Fischer! RUN!!
It’s Rick Perry! RUN!!
It’s Michele Bachmann! RUN!!
It’s Orly Taitz! RUN!!
It’s Herman Cain! RUN!!
It’s Rick Santorum! RUN!!
It’s Sarah Palin! RUN!!
It’s Ben Shapiro! RUN!!
It’s Marco Rubio! RUN!!
It’s Ron Paul! RUN!!
It’s Rand Paul! RUN!!
It’s Paul Ryan! RUN!!
It’s Grover Norquist! RUN!!
It’s Wayne LaPierre! RUN!!
It’s Todd Akin! RUN!!I might not know much, but I know my zombies.
Checks list. Yep, run!
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:40:27pm |
re: #52 Kragar (Antichrist )
How about an Imperial Eagle?
Or better yet, the Inquisition?
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:42:49pm |
re: #58 freetoken
If you go over and read some of the 1238 comments on that article on Bill O’ over at WND, for example, you’ll find plenty of evidence that the turning off of the critical/logical part of the brain as practiced by creationists keeps them from seeing what is obvious about politics in the US in 2013.
Namely, that the “libertarian” and ultra-rich-centric policies of the GOP are about as anti-Christian as anything else, understanding “Christian” as practiced in both the East and West the past 19 millennia.
And the Catholic Church fed that monster with their Anti-Obama campaigning during homilies over the issue of covering birth control in medical insurance. I know, I sat through some of that nonsense thinking, OK then so we are all supposed to support more wars, capital punishment and F*ing over the poor people then??
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:43:08pm |
re: #69 SpaceJesus
the firing squad doesn’t really show up until freep has 400+ posts calling for a boycott of fox news, a mass deportation of the irish, and proclaiming america’s 97th death
The problem is that the circular firing squad is aiming at their own feet.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:43:15pm |
Tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead was awesome. You really got the sense of what happens to someone who has to try and survive in that world alone.
Can’t wait until next week.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:52:42pm |
This made me laugh.
Texas lawmakers scramble to restore family planning funding after additional births cost taxpayers $273 million. nytimes.com/2013/03/01/us/…— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) March 4, 2013
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Pawn of the Oppressor Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:55:44pm |
re: #75 Lidane
Tonight’s episode of The Walking Dead was awesome. You really got the sense of what happens to someone who has to try and survive in that world alone.
Can’t wait until next week.
Indeed it was. I feel like they’ve put us in a “calm before the storm”.
M. is a new kind of survivor, stuck in a Sisyphean world of his own making. No forming groups, no foraging on his own, just stuck in his own hell, alone, until the end.
I kind of like the comedy stylings of Mich and Carl. I see a sitcom… “My Ninja Auntie.” It’s a good relationship, I hope they work together more.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:56:01pm |
re: #78 Gus
We don’t have Sherlock, we have ex-sportscaster Dan Patrick.
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:56:52pm |
re: #77 Gus
This made me laugh.
Maybe they can get some money by cutting their abstinence only education budget
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:58:18pm |
re: #80 jaunte
We don’t have Sherlock, we have ex-sportscaster Dan Patrick.
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Reading his Wiki page. Looks like other than “fiscal conservatism” it’s all about sex for this guy.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:59:01pm |
re: #82 Gus
Some of the legislation he passed, of which he is most proud, is placing “In God We Trust” permanently in the Senate chamber for the first time in history
[Link: www.patrick.senate.state.tx.us…]
Hallelujah!
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 8:59:55pm |
“In 2011, Senator Patrick finally passed the Sonogram Bill to protect women and the unborn.”
[Link: www.chron.com…]
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:01:18pm |
re: #84 jaunte
“In 2011, Senator Patrick finally passed the Sonogram Bill to protect women and the unborn.”
How exactly does it do that?
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The Ghost of a Flea Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:02:00pm |
re: #85 Kragar (Antichrist )
How exactly does it do that?
By taking their choices away from them, duh.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:02:04pm |
re: #84 jaunte
“In 2011, Senator Patrick finally passed the Sonogram Bill to protect women and the unborn.”
It’s so funny. OK, not really funny but the bottom line is that these laws are done to INTIMIDATE women out of an abortion. They’re trying to shame them. Force them to rethink their decisions. Of course once the baby is born they’re on their own.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:02:33pm |
re: #85 Kragar (Antichrist )
The Republican-controlled Legislature approved a restrictive abortion bill last year requiring physicians to provide a sonogram before performing an abortion. A woman seeking an abortion can choose whether to view the sonogram images and whether to hear the fetal heartbeat. She also is required to hear the medical explanation of the sonogram at least 24 hours before the procedure.
In the view of the Texas lege, these women just don’t know what they’re doing and have to be completely informed. Also humiliated.
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Mich-again Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:03:31pm |
re: #87 Gus
It’s so funny. OK, not really funny but the bottom line is that these laws are done to INTIMIDATE women out of an abortion. They’re trying to shame them. Force them to rethink their decisions. Of course once the baby is born they’re on their own.
The GOP is pro-life right up until birth.
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AlexRogan Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:04:18pm |
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:08:22pm |
“Those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord” Abraham Lincoln #opslam #tcot #jesus twitter.com/kmddoss/status…— Elaine (@kmddoss) March 3, 2013
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:10:12pm |
Idiot Pennsyltucky resident shouting at bar, #ACORN #ALEC all those commies are the same. #uppers— Karl (@carbeye) March 3, 2013
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:10:38pm |
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Interesting Times Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:11:12pm |
re: #77 Gus
This made me laugh.
Oh, you know what’s really hilarious about it, and perhaps the true reason they’re having second thoughts?
Texas’ high teen birth rate carries price beyond dollars
But Texas still ranks fourth highest for teen birth rate — 52 per 1,000 girls ages 15-19 — as of 2010. In the central and southwest sections of Bexar County, the rate is 137 per 1,000, almost four times the national average that year. Latinas have the highest teen birth rate of any ethnic group in the state and Bexar County.
Yep, those additional births are amongst the very demographic that has more and more reasons each day to despise the GOP :P
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:11:23pm |
Hey RWC, if you’re still here, I put a handful of the one’s I’m thinking about editing down into a photo essay of the show.
[Link: picasaweb.google.com…]
Lots of fun. I sometimes wish I’d become a photo journalist instead of joining the army out of HS. But then it’d just be work now … ;)
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:11:37pm |
re: #94 Gus
Source:
Proclamation Appointing a National Fast Day
Lincoln asking everyone to show some humility.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:12:20pm |
re: #97 Kragar (Antichrist )
Acorn is immense and immortal.
Sort of like “unindicted co-conspirator ISNA.” I can’t tell you how many times I remember that crap coming up.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:19:49pm |
re: #104 jaunte
Abraham Lincoln, Acorn Killer
The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed Up Acorns
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:26:02pm |
Acorn, Benghazi and Agenda 21: Legends of the Derp
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:28:12pm |
Grover Norquist in League w/Islamic Extremists says Pam Gellar, He Blocks her from CPAC.po.st/0xLexX. #Islam #TGDN #CTOT #PJNET— Michael Garrett © (@Wyliecowboy) March 4, 2013
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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:28:56pm |
Legends of the Fall (of the Acorns)
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:31:57pm |
re: #116 Feline Fearless Leader
She Wore a Yellow Ribbon And Also An Acorn
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:32:08pm |
Guess a lot of these people are new. I’ve been on line since the early 90s. Which isn’t exactly going too far for other folks. But most of these people are fresh.
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Single-handed sailor Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:33:38pm |
re: #115 Gus
Christian Conservative. Husband. Father. Buffalo Soldier. Liberty speaks loudest when unhindered by Government. #bcot #TGDN #NRA #teaparty #PJNET
Buffalo soldier, dreadlock rasta:
There was a buffalo soldier in the heart of america,
Stolen from africa, brought to america,
Fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.
now I’ve got an earworm….
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:34:39pm |
re: #114 Gus
“It has always been a challenge to hold an event at CPAC. But this year, it was impossible,” Geller told WND. “Clearly, Norquist and Khan are thin-skinned, desperate to silence dissenting voices, and in league with America’s enemies.”
Not the way she thinks, but yeah.
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:37:12pm |
Anthony Soro BR549 • 6 hours ago
how does the Muslims Jihads control both of the party’s? I can see how they control the Lib’s and the Dem’s because Obama is one himself, But how do they get to the other side also, How can anyone have that much Power or Influence ? I do believe if we dont wake up it will cause the down fall of this country in some ways, well in many ways. It’s already started and getting worse by the day, I have to stop right here because it does anger me very much and my BP starts to go up.
Gilmmerings of a question at WND.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:37:23pm |
re: #120 Single-handed sailor
Buffalo soldier, dreadlock rasta:
There was a buffalo soldier in the heart of america,
Stolen from africa, brought to america,
Fighting on arrival, fighting for survival.now I’ve got an earworm….
[Embedded content]
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jaunte Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:44:37pm |
Good night, Mr. and Mrs. Acorn, from border to border and coast to coast and all the ships at sea.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:45:47pm |
They’re always babbling about the MB and Egypt and US aid. Giving them “free” F-16s which is bullshit. All focused on the GWOT. When in fact Egypt barely has been involved in the GWOT other than perhaps the tunnels into Egypt. Meanwhile, ever since that dumb cowboy GWB was president and before that we’ve been kissing Saudi Arabias ass for years while most of the radical Madrasas are funded by Saudi millionaires. While most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Shut the fuck up already.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:56:44pm |
Fuck it. The greatest intelligence failure belongs to the Republican Party. I’ve heard enough bullshit from the stupid wingnuts about Benghazi which was tragic yet pales in comparison to 9/11. The Republicans own that by way of George W. Bush. 3,000 dead thanks to him being asleep at the wheel. Followed up with a bullshit war against Iraq which a) had nothing to do with 9/11 and b) had no WMDs. A war that led to over 100K Iraqi civilian being killed. A war that led to 16,623 coalition forces dead and 4,805 Americans dead. Documented 151,000 Iraqi civilians dead. So yeah. Benghazi. Fuck you.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 9:57:25pm |
re: #125 Gus
They’re always babbling about the MB and Egypt and US aid. Giving them “free” F-16s which is bullshit. All focused on the GWOT. When in fact Egypt barely has been involved in the GWOT other than perhaps the tunnels into Egypt. Meanwhile, ever since that dumb cowboy GWB was president and before that we’ve been kissing Saudi Arabias ass for years while most of the radical Madrasas are funded by Saudi millionaires. While most of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis. Shut the fuck up already.
The daily show report on surplus tanks was classic.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:09:32pm |
Hi, new guy here, I am curious if somebody can explain why Charles really hates Michelle Malkin now. I remember about 5 years ago he was really worried about her safety when some nutjob was able to get close to her.
i know they don’t agree on politics but i was surprised he hated her so much.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:10:18pm |
Oh, what could have been…
Quoted: Ann Romney on turning down ‘Dancing With the Stars’
Ann Romney, on turning down an offer to appear on ABC’s “Dancing With the Stars.” The wife of Mitt Romney told Fox News Sunday that she loves the show, but knew she made the right decision after learning that Olympic figure skater Dorothy Hamill joined the cast. Also: At 63, Romney said she’s “not really as flexible as I should be.”
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:11:39pm |
re:128 DrTesla
Are you serious? In five years, some people grow, some don’t. I leave it to you to figure out which is which.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:12:44pm |
re: #128 DrTesla
Oy. Sorry, I’m busy. I’ll get back to you in a minute.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:16:57pm |
re: #128 DrTesla
Hi, new guy here, I am curious if somebody can explain why Charles really hates Michelle Malkin now. I remember about 5 years ago he was really worried about her safety when some nutjob was able to get close to her.
i know they don’t agree on politics but i was surprised he hated her so much.
Out of curiosity, what do you think of Michelle Malkin?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:16:57pm |
re: #126 Gus
i’d like to remind you that nearly every Democrat voted for the Iraq War and they had access to the same intelligence as Bush and they could have drawn their own conclusions. Obama made two of those Democrats, Hillary and John Kerry, his Sec. of State.
Also, Bush had only been prizzy for about 8 months when 9-11 happened. i think it is hard to blame him for 9-11. Obviously there is a lot of blame that could be laid at Democrats for 9-11 if we want to go down that road, starting with Clinton’s bizarre refusal to take up on Sudan’s offer to capture OBL for us after the first WTC bombing in 93.
the Libya thing has two components. One is why the security requests were ignored by the state dep. despite the embassy being a high danger area and why wasn’t help sent to Libya after the attacks started.
the other component is why the state department and obama admin went out of their way to blame the attack on 9-11 on an obscure anti-muslim video and make it out to be a riot that got out of control when it was clear it was a coordinated terrorist attack. the theory right wingers seem to have is that Obama was running on this silly notion that al queda and the threat of terrorism was over b/c OBL had been killed and Libya kind of blew up that theory. i don’t see why he refuse to admit it was terrorism unless it was campaign politics of some kind.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:18:19pm |
re: #133 DrTesla
I regret that I have only 1 downding to give.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:20:44pm |
re: #130 SteveMcGazi
well five years isn’t a long time, only talking 60 months and michelle malkin is the exact same person. so it doesn’t seem like she goes from somebody you think is nice or at least somebody you are not mean to, to being somebody you kind of maybe a little over the top with in your criticisms? she’s a feisty conservative, charles is a fiesty liberal, i think he kind of undercuts himself when gets over the top in his criticism. i’ve seen other conservatives bash Charles pretty harsh but I can’t see Malkin doing that so I was curious if she had and I didn’t see it. sometimes it seems like bloggers have a lot of little wars that the general public doesn’t know about.
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Tigger2 Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:22:24pm |
I don’t know if anyone has paged this or has posted the video, It’s about the Income Inequality in the Country, It’s depressing as hell. We are fucking poor.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:24:12pm |
re: #136 DrTesla
well five years isn’t a long time, only talking 60 months and michelle malkin is the exact same person. so it doesn’t seem like she goes from somebody you think is nice or at least somebody you are not mean to, to being somebody you kind of maybe a little over the top with in your criticisms? she’s a feisty conservative, charles is a fiesty liberal, i think he kind of undercuts himself when gets over the top in his criticism. i’ve seen other conservatives bash Charles pretty harsh but I can’t see Malkin doing that so I was curious if she had and I didn’t see it. sometimes it seems like bloggers have a lot of little wars that the general public doesn’t know about.
Malkin is not a “feisty conservative.” She’s a radical. You can’t be a canservative and a radical at the same time. The reason she avoids Charles is that she knows she would be in over her head. Fifteen years ago, Malkin was a conservative. By 2001, she had gone full wingnut.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:24:25pm |
maybe i should have posted this on the michelle malkin post but i assumed this one would be lil more active.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:25:09pm |
For those playing the home game
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:25:24pm |
re: #138 SteveMcGazi
well, what is your definition of a wingnut vs a conservative?
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:27:59pm |
RT @gus_802 GWB frequently alluded to Christianity during the Iraq War. The war against Iraq was an American religious calling.— Iraqi Government (@iraqigovernment) March 4, 2013
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:28:20pm |
“feisty”
in the context of malkin it would have to mean too stupid to double check her opinions before enthusiastically making a moron out of herself
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:28:51pm |
my opinion on Libya is that if that same kind of terroist attack and ambassadors were killed, and Bush was prizzy, and he sent out his admin flacks to say it wasn’t terrorism, lot of liberals would be real upset. but I can’t see Bush denying it was terrorism b/c the war on terrorism was his thing. tell me where i’m wrong.
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:29:43pm |
re: #137 Tigger2
That comes off as somewhat propagandish, though.
“Income inequality” is an (attempted) rallying cry for those wishing to make some political headway, but at its heart the idea of “wealth” has become pretty arcane. We’re not in the age of gold coins anymore, and “wealth” now means something pretty abstract.
On the whole, modern society with its immense energy expenditure per capita has given even the relative “poor” in America a life that few in history would recognize. Even granted the spotty distribution of health care services, that most Americans do have access to enough food, seemingly miraculous medicines, etc. shows that modernity has brought with it a leveling of the reproductive-opportunity scale, if I may mix together a few ideas.
I don’t fear “income inequality”. I do fear the loss of modernity.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:29:54pm |
I think trying to make Bush out as some kind of religious kook is a hard sell. he’s pretty secular and def. not pushy about his faith. he even said something about not wanting to kick gays.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:30:56pm |
re: #142 DrTesla
well, what is your definition of a wingnut vs a conservative?
Malkin advocates in favor of rounding up Muslims and putting them in internment camps, just like what the US did to Japanese-Americans in WW2. That alone makes her a radical.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:30:57pm |
re: #142 DrTesla
well, what is your definition of a wingnut vs a conservative?
A conservative respects the future and advocates an incremental advance towards that future. A wingnut despises the future (and the present) and thinks the future can be avoided by demonizing anybody who doesn’t adhere to their agenda.
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Tigger2 Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:33:06pm |
re: #146 freetoken
That comes off as somewhat propagandish, though.
“Income inequality” is an (attempted) rallying cry for those wishing to make some political headway, but at its heart the idea of “wealth” has become pretty arcane. We’re not in the age of gold coins anymore, and “wealth” now means something pretty abstract.
On the whole, modern society with its immense energy expenditure per capita has given even the relative “poor” in America a life that few in history would recognize. Even granted the spotty distribution of health care services, that most Americans do have access to enough food, seemingly miraculous medicines, etc. shows that modernity has brought with it a leveling of the reproductive-opportunity scale, if I may mix together a few ideas.
I don’t fear “income inequality”. I do fear the loss of modernity.
I fear this is slipping away.
On the whole, modern society with its immense energy expenditure per capita has given even the relative “poor” in America a life that few in history would recognize.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:33:20pm |
re: #148 Lidane
I thought that book was bit of a “devil’s advocate” kind of book regarding the Japenese back in the day. I’m not sure she’s ever called for rounding up Muslims across the board in America today. do you know where I can find some quotes of hers on that?
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:33:22pm |
re: #145 DrTesla
my opinion on Libya is that if that same kind of terroist attack and ambassadors were killed, and Bush was prizzy, and he sent out his admin flacks to say it wasn’t terrorism, lot of liberals would be real upset. but I can’t see Bush denying it was terrorism b/c the war on terrorism was his thing. tell me where i’m wrong.
i’m not much in favor of arguments that postulate that if the shoe was on the other foot, your guys would act the same as our guy are doing now
this is one hypothetical on top of another hypothetical
and, also, the obama administration certainly did not send out admin flacks to say it wasn’t terrorism. in point of fact the next day obama’s statement in the rose garden labelled it an “act of terror” in so many words
perhaps this had slipped your mind
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:34:31pm |
re: #149 SteveMcGazi
well, couldn’t conservatives say that about some liberals? It does seem like a lot of liberals are quick to unfairly play the race card which tends to result in the entire debate getting sidetracked into a series of insults.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:34:41pm |
re: #152 engineer cat
i’m not much in favor of arguments that postulate that if the shoe was on the other foot, your guys would act the same as our guy are doing now
this is one hypothetical on top of another hypothetical
and, also, the obama administration certainly did not send out admin flacks to say it wasn’t terrorism. in point of fact the next day obama’s statement in the rose garden labelled it an “act of terror” in so many words
perhaps this had slipped your mind
Don’t expect an acknowledgement from that guy now that you’ve gone all factual on his ass.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:35:42pm |
re: #151 DrTesla
It wasn’t a devil’s advocate anything. She was serious. And your pathetic attempts to defend her on that fall flat.
Also, she wrote an entire damn book on the subject. You want quotes, I’m sure there are some avaialble on Google about it.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:35:55pm |
re: #153 DrTesla
well, couldn’t conservatives say that about some liberals? It does seem like a lot of liberals are quick to unfairly play the race card which tends to result in the entire debate getting sidetracked into a series of insults.
Who the hell played the race card here? The race card only works when you’re talking about races.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:37:29pm |
re: #152 engineer cat
well that was Candi’s cover in the debate but that is not how it read to me. I don’t want to get hung up on the word itself, and Candi did concede to Romney he was right in the main on his point. the adminstration including Rice and Hillary did make a point of asserting it was a protest about a video, not a terrorist attack.
looking at how people would react if the shoe was on the other foot is the best way to examine if they are being intellectually honest about stuff, in my view.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:38:05pm |
re: #155 Lidane
It wasn’t a devil’s advocate anything. She was serious. And your pathetic attempts to defend her on that fall flat.
Also, she wrote an entire damn book on the subject. You want quotes, I’m sure there are some avaialble on Google about it.
c’mon, do I sound like a SuperFan on here? couldn’t be more neutral sounding in my view.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:39:25pm |
re: #158 DrTesla
c’mon, do I sound like a SuperFan on here? couldn’t be more neutral sounding in my view.
Calling yourself neutral is like nailing a field goal right through the goalpost in the corner of the end zone.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:39:37pm |
re: #158 DrTesla
What you sound like is a passive-aggressive defender of wingnut radicals like Malkin. You’re also offering up the usual batshit talking points on Benghazi.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:40:03pm |
I’m not stupid. re: #158 DrTesla
c’mon, do I sound like a SuperFan on here? couldn’t be more neutral sounding in my view.
The difference between people like you and me is that I’m willing to accept when I’m wrong. Conservatives like you always think they’re right. For that, I’m proud.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:40:09pm |
re: #156 SteveMcGazi
i never said anybody played the race card on here, I’m talking about how some liberals play the race card on conservatives, and I think that is as bad as racism, and maybe worse b/c most racists are just ignorant and repeating what their racist parents said. Falsely accusing people of being racist is a more willful cruelty, in my view.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:40:52pm |
re: #161 Lidane
What you sound like is a passive-aggressive defender of wingnut radicals like Malkin. You’re also offering up the usual batshit talking points on Benghazi.
ok, i think I’m just flat out passive and you come across as too aggressive. let’s just talk, we are all friends here.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:41:32pm |
Seeing our latest contestant, the callers have decided…
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:42:29pm |
re: #163 DrTesla
i never said anybody played the race card on here, I’m talking about how some liberals play the race card on conservatives, and I think that is as bad as racism, and maybe worse b/c most racists are just ignorant and repeating what their racist parents said. Falsely accusing people of being racist is a more willful cruelty, in my view.
My point still stands, you can only play the race card when you’re talking about race. But I see you’re projecting “some liberals” onto everybody. People like Malkin are anathema even to people who actually are conservative.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:42:44pm |
re: #165 Kragar (Antichrist )
Seeing our latest contestant, the callers have decided…
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:42:59pm |
re: #145 DrTesla
my opinion on Libya is that if that same kind of terroist attack and ambassadors were killed, and Bush was prizzy, and he sent out his admin flacks to say it wasn’t terrorism, lot of liberals would be real upset. but I can’t see Bush denying it was terrorism b/c the war on terrorism was his thing. tell me where i’m wrong.
Obama called it terrorism the day after it happened. There were violent protests that week over the Mohammed video at over 50 locations around the world, so some hesitancy by other government agencies in assessing blame made sense at the time. 19 people died in the protests in Pakistan, but nobody here gave a shit about that or ascribed to anything but the riot it was in that case.
The biggest difference is that Bush got us involved in places where we were completely unwanted, capitalizing on the deaths of 3K Americans to get another 4K killed in a country which had nothing to do with 9/11. But please do keep carping about the 4 killed in Benghazi.
P.S. Please stop saying prizzy, for everyone’s sake.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:43:21pm |
re: #157 DrTesla
well that was Candi’s cover in the debate but that is not how it read to me. I don’t want to get hung up on the word itself, and Candi did concede to Romney he was right in the main on his point. the adminstration including Rice and Hillary did make a point of asserting it was a protest about a video, not a terrorist attack.
looking at how people would react if the shoe was on the other foot is the best way to examine if they are being intellectually honest about stuff, in my view.
1. i repeat, obama’s statement in the rose garden the very next day labelled the incident an “act of terror”. if this doesn’t “read” to you as calling it terrorism, then please work on your reading comprehension skills
2. i certainly don’t regard groundless speculation that you have extracted directly from your ass as any species of proof about how another person would act in any situation
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:45:14pm |
re: #162 Gus
I’m not stupid.
The difference between people like you and me is that I’m willing to accept when I’m wrong. Conservatives like you always think they’re right. For that, I’m proud.
i think that i’m right in a general sense on the issues. I don’t think that I think that I’m right anymore than liberals do. i don’t claim to be an expert on foreign policy stuff and whether we should no go to war. few republicans voted for Bush b/c he went to war with Iraq although some liberals like to make it seem like that is all we essentially cared about. I vote more on tax policy and stuff like that. I liked Bush’s attempt to privatize a portion of Social Security, for example.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:45:22pm |
re: #164 DrTesla
So far I haven’t seen anything in your posts but pathetic attempts to defend Malkin, a rehash of the usual batshit Benghazi talking points, and broad brush stereotyping of liberals.
Offer something more interesting.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:45:52pm |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:46:36pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:47:04pm |
re: #170 DrTesla
i think that i’m right in a general sense on the issues. I don’t think that I think that I’m right anymore than liberals do. i don’t claim to be an expert on foreign policy stuff and whether we should no go to war. few republicans voted for Bush b/c he went to war with Iraq although some liberals like to make it seem like that is all we essentially cared about. I vote more on tax policy and stuff like that. I liked Bush’s attempt to privatize a portion of Social Security, for example.
perhaps our correspondent is auditioning for a position as a writer for the colbert report
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:47:19pm |
re: #166 SteveMcGazi
full disclosure, I don’t like Malkin’s “style” that much. She tends to write in what I call Internet Jargon on her blog which annoys me. I don’t think she hates good Muslims though, she’s def. focused on the Muslim radicals.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:49:22pm |
re: #174 engineer cat
eh, i never cared for Colbert too much….I’m from South Carolina and he is kind of your typical liberal from SC, a little to eager to show liberals in NYC and DC he’s not “one of them there conservatives” if you know what I mean. I think his show is annoying b/c he is limited to always being in a BIll O’Reilly character and the joke just gets old after awhile.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:49:23pm |
re: #170 DrTesla
“Few republicans voted for Bush b/c he went to war with Iraq.” Are you nuts? The whole 2004 campaign was about the war. That lame ass, ill-advised attempt to privatize social security didn’t come until after the election. I would hate to have seen the insanity if people’s social security funds were tied up in the markets in 2007 and 2008.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:49:41pm |
re: #170 DrTesla
i think that i’m right in a general sense on the issues. I don’t think that I think that I’m right anymore than liberals do. i don’t claim to be an expert on foreign policy stuff and whether we should no go to war. few republicans voted for Bush b/c he went to war with Iraq although some liberals like to make it seem like that is all we essentially cared about. I vote more on tax policy and stuff like that. I liked Bush’s attempt to privatize a portion of Social Security, for example.
Bush pushed the massive drug plan ever.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:50:30pm |
re: #175 DrTesla
full disclosure, I don’t like Malkin’s “style” that much. She tends to write in what I call Internet Jargon on her blog which annoys me. I don’t think she hates good Muslims though, she’s def. focused on the Muslim radicals.
so - are you a “good” conservative, or one of those bad, radical conservatives?
i’m very concerned that radical conservatism is making inroads in this country and threatening our traditional american and judeo-christian values
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freetoken Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:51:10pm |
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:51:40pm |
re: #163 DrTesla
i never said anybody played the race card on here, I’m talking about how some liberals play the race card on conservatives, and I think that is as bad as racism, and maybe worse b/c most racists are just ignorant and repeating what their racist parents said.
Not true, they’ve become quite sophisticated.
Falsely accusing people of being racist is a more willful cruelty, in my view.
If you’d ever been the target of racism, you wouldn’t say that.
re: #164 DrTesla
ok, i think I’m just flat out passive and you come across as too aggressive. let’s just talk, we are all friends here.
No, we’re not. You’re a total stranger who registered here under an hour ago and immediately commenced spouting right wing talking points, defending people like Malkin, and criticizing the owner of this blog.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:51:55pm |
re: #169 engineer cat
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:53:00pm |
re: #183 DrTesla
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
What the hell is a “prizzy”
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:53:12pm |
re: #176 DrTesla
eh, i never cared for Colbert too much….I’m from South Carolina and he is kind of your typical liberal from SC, a little to eager to show liberals in NYC and DC he’s not “one of them there conservatives” if you know what I mean. I think his show is annoying b/c he is limited to always being in a BIll O’Reilly character and the joke just gets old after awhile.
well, i think it’s very brave of you to admit that you are stating your opinions in all earnestness
please proceed
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:53:19pm |
re: #180 engineer cat
lol, well I laugh when somebody uses the adjective radical in front of conservative. we are not really all that activist. even the bloggers who pretend to be aren’t real activists.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:53:59pm |
re: #183 DrTesla
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
Yeah, it was totally because uninformed voters didn’t care. That is totally the way it went down right there.
//
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:54:41pm |
re: #183 DrTesla
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
George W. Bush survived the biggest foreign policy blunder since Barbarossa, and 9/11.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:55:01pm |
re: #158 DrTesla
c’mon, do I sound like a SuperFan on here? couldn’t be more neutral sounding in my view.
LOLOL! Troll feast for breakfast!
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:55:36pm |
re: #188 DrTesla
I think it is best to be sincere.
Remember of course that you made the decision to come in here.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:55:46pm |
Hi! I’m new here!
Wow, isn’t Charles unfair to Michelle Malkin? And what about Benghazi? Here’s some more discredited right wing talking points about it!
Also, liberals play the race card too much and why are you guys being all aggressive anyway! We’re all friends here — well as long as your Muslims are good Muslims!
Wait, what’s karma and why is mine at -48 and dropping? Does that mean I’m winning?
Thank you, thank you, I’ll be here all week. Or until I get the boot.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:55:49pm |
re: #164 DrTesla
ok, i think I’m just flat out passive and you come across as too aggressive. let’s just talk, we are all friends here.
Um, why do you think we are “friends”?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:56:37pm |
re: #187 Kragar (Antichrist )
I didn’t say uninformed, I just meant they didn’t care re: Libya. It’s an embassy overseas in a country most Americans don’t care much about so I can understand that to a degree.
I do kind of agree with El Rushbo that voters don’t tie the economy to Obama which is kind of crazy after 4 years of it.
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:02pm |
re: #183 DrTesla
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
You brought it up in your #133.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:11pm |
re: #193 Dancing along the light of day
Um, why do you think we are “friends”?
I thought we were all just people who post comments on a blog.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:37pm |
re: #184 SteveMcGazi
I’m referring to Jimmy Fallon calling Obama the prizzy of the united stizzy. Some sort of goof on rap music I take.
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Gus Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:39pm |
re: #194 DrTesla
I didn’t say uninformed, I just meant they didn’t care re: Libya. It’s an embassy overseas in a country most Americans don’t care much about so I can understand that to a degree.
I do kind of agree with El Rushbo that voters don’t tie the economy to Obama which is kind of crazy after 4 years of it.
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
Libya was, is, dangerous. Comes with the territory.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:39pm |
I think the good doctor is going to run back to his buddies and tell them how mean we were to him and that we played the race card against him and that we want to raise his taxes and make him pay for our birth control.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:57:43pm |
re: #194 DrTesla
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
Your trolling is pretty weak.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:58:35pm |
re: #195 CuriousLurker
well, I think that I was responding to somebody else’s comment but i didn’t want to beat that drum tonight and i’m not that confident talking about foreign policy kind of stuff.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:58:51pm |
re: #199 SteveMcGazi
That or he’s just a sock from the deuce.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:58:56pm |
re: #186 DrTesla
lol, well I laugh when somebody uses the adjective radical in front of conservative. we are not really all that activist. even the bloggers who pretend to be aren’t real activists.
One doesn’t have to be an activist to have radical ideas.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:59:03pm |
re: #194 DrTesla
BTW if you were really informed, you would have known it was a consulate in Benghazi. The embassy would have been in Tripoli.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 10:59:47pm |
re: #204 Dancing along the light of day
That or he’s just a sock from the deuce.
OK, now what is “the deuce”?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:00:32pm |
re: #199 SteveMcGazi
well I’m use to trash talk on political boards, i’m not that sensitive. do I seem that way? LOL
you have to admit Rush had a pretty good point about Fluke. kind of silly for somebody to be talking to congress about birth control considering how cheap it is. hard to believe she’s dropping 3000 dollars in 3 yearss on birth control.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:00:39pm |
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:01:05pm |
re: #197 DrTesla
I’m referring to Jimmy Fallon calling Obama the prizzy of the united stizzy. Some sort of goof on rap music I take.
Just stop. You’re not Jimmy Fallon and your use just comes off as yet another conservative dogwhistle for racism.
(Oooh, look, I played the race card. Darn those liberals.)
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:01:12pm |
Would this be a bad time to remind everybody that we need more people to register Republican?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:01:28pm |
re: #207 SteveMcGazi
Nasty place where Charles haters spew & wallow in their bile. Might even qualify as “Valley of the damned”. And “Valley of the Banned”!
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:01:44pm |
re: #208 DrTesla
you have to admit Rush had a pretty good point about Fluke.
You’re just a wellspring of stupid, ain’tcha?
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:02:00pm |
in other news, i object to sunday nights without either episodes of game of thrones or silent movies on tcm
it violates my expectations
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:02:15pm |
re: #194 DrTesla
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
No, he’s not. This is a stupid game you’re playing. It’s boringly trite & transparent.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:02:24pm |
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:02:34pm |
re: #206 SteveMcGazi
i told you that that I am a novice in foreign policy stuff. i generally just ignore this stuff but the LIbya thing broke a few weeks from the election and we were clinging on, bitterly, to anything that could possibly derail Obama. i’ll admit that. i just don’t think his politics are what we need right now with a real bad economy, but what do i know.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:03:03pm |
re: #211 Shvaughn
hah, i know you are just ribbing me, brother. it’s cool
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:03:12pm |
re: #212 SteveMcGazi
Why would we want to register for a party that gave us Mitt Romney as the last presidential candidate? And John McCain & Sarah Palin the last go around?
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:03:46pm |
re: #208 DrTesla
well I’m use to trash talk on political boards, i’m not that sensitive. do I seem that way? LOL
you have to admit Rush had a pretty good point about Fluke. kind of silly for somebody to be talking to congress about birth control considering how cheap it is. hard to believe she’s dropping 3000 dollars in 3 yearss on birth control.
I don’t know the going rate for female birth control, those days are far behind me. It is worth noting that birth control is far cheaper than prenatal care. And the whole childbirth thing, and the Oh what the fuck you just want to call her a whore and think that’s a good point.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:03:47pm |
re: #216 CuriousLurker
No, he’s not. This is a stupid game you’re playing. It’s boringly trite & transparent.
Let’s post more music videos instead of feeding the obvious troll.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:04:05pm |
re: #220 Dancing along the light of day
Why would we want to register for a party that gave us Mitt Romney as the last presidential candidate? And John McCain & Sarah Palin the last go around?
To make them waste resources, of course
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:04:14pm |
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:04:22pm |
re: #216 CuriousLurker
the werid thing is I’m sure Rush talked about Little Green Footballs on his show before CHarles became a liberal again. think that is how I first heard about it.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:05:11pm |
re: #220 Dancing along the light of day
Why would we want to register for a party that gave us Mitt Romney as the last presidential candidate? And John McCain & Sarah Palin the last go around?
That’s exactly why we need more people to register.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:06:00pm |
re: #221 SteveMcGazi
well I don’t think he was calling her a whore, he was just riffing on the thing and got carried away. the main thing he riffed on was he didn’t believe she spent that much money on BC, so he couldn’t believe that and also believe she was a whore.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:06:02pm |
I think it’s time to hang up the “Don’t Feed the Troll” sign.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:06:50pm |
re: #226 SteveMcGazi
I disagree enough, that for the first time in my life I voted Democratic in the last election. There is no hope for the Republican party, in it’s current state, and I care enough about the country, to not bother to try to fix those stupids.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:07:50pm |
re: #229 SteveMcGazi
I think it’s time to hang up the “Don’t Feed the Troll” sign.
the poor man has devolved past ‘troll’ status and arrived at a state that could better be described as ‘roadkill’
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:10:36pm |
re: #231 Dancing along the light of day
I disagree enough, that for the first time in my life I voted Democratic in the last election. There is no hope for the Republican party, in it’s current state, and I care enough about the country, to not bother to try to fix those stupids.
I hear you. I stopped voting for Republicans (except Arlen Spector) by the late nineties. But I’m still registered, in the off chance somebody runs against Pat Toomey in a primary. You can still vote Democratic in November, but the wingnuts find a safe haven becasue the only people voting in the primaries are idiots. Our country NEEDS two viable political parties, the garbage of the last few years (debt limit, sequester to begin with) show why we need two functioning parties.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:11:18pm |
You have to admit Rush’s Fluke thing is pretty mild stuff compared to Bill Maher and Howard Stern and Don Imus. I think people who act all outraged over it are faking a bit. he’s doing a live show and sometimes when you make a joke you can be a tad bit too harsh. still, the woman is going to congress to talk about her sex life and birth control costs which isn’t expensive. his point was really just about the role of government. i thought it ws a good point. she also chose to go to Gtown which she had to know was a Catholic school and Catholics are known for being strict on BC.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:12:40pm |
Another important reason to register (R) is that local races hinge on so few votes, and those local legislators screw up school boards and introduce right wing legislation.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:12:50pm |
re: #236 DrTesla
still, the woman is going to congress to talk about her sex life and birth control costs
Just fuck off. That wasn’t her testimony at all, but Rush’s repackaging of what she said for the idiots and rubes in this country.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:13:08pm |
re: #236 DrTesla
You have to admit Rush’s Fluke thing is pretty mild stuff compared to Bill Maher and Howard Stern and Don Imus.
Oh crap, he’s defeated us all with the magical balance fairy. Might as well give up now folks!
Meanwhile, here’s another video.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:14:21pm |
re: #239 Lidane
i listened to her testimony. Really, Rush didn’t have to comment on it, it was funny enough by itself. it would never occur to me that birth control is something to talk to congress about.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:15:19pm |
re: #240 Shvaughn
lol, i’m not trying to defeat you. lord knows republicans can’t defeat anybody right now, we are lost in the political wildernness.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:16:06pm |
re: #241 DrTesla
i listened to her testimony.
Blatantly lying.
Also, caaaaaaan you feeeeeel the loooooove tonight?
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:16:10pm |
re: #240 Shvaughn
Oh crap, he’s defeated us all with the magical balance fairy. Might as well give up now folks!
Meanwhile, here’s another video.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:16:12pm |
Don’t let him lead you into the wilderness. Just let him go by himself.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:16:30pm |
re: #241 DrTesla
i listened to her testimony. Really, Rush didn’t have to comment on it, it was funny enough by itself. it would never occur to me that birth control is something to talk to congress about.
And what did you think of a panel of five men summoned before Congress to discuss the issue of women’s health and needs in the context of religious freedom?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:17:15pm |
why does Charles and a lot of other liberals focus so much on creationism being taught in schools. just seems like a minor issue and a local one. i don’t see that being a big issue with republicans at the national level. i could car less if kiddies are taught creationism and evolution in school, they are going to make up their own mind about that stuff regardless.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:17:47pm |
“LOOK! A HUGE DISTRACTING THING!” - Tom Servo
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:18:38pm |
re: #247 DrTesla
why does Charles and a lot of other liberals focus so much on creationism being taught in schools.
LOL. “Hey guys here’s another one! I got a million of ‘em!”
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:18:57pm |
re: #246 Targetpractice
well I think men have the right to have an opinion on religious liberty. i feel lik e this is a trap question. ii’m getting nervous. LOL
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:19:48pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:20:09pm |
re: #247 DrTesla
why does Charles and a lot of other liberals focus so much on creationism being taught in schools. just seems like a minor issue and a local one. i don’t see that being a big issue with republicans at the national level. i could car less if kiddies are taught creationism and evolution in school, they are going to make up their own mind about that stuff regardless.
What other fantasies do you believe should be taught as fact in science classrooms? The four humors? The Ptolemaic model of the universe? Illness being caused by foul odors? Come now, if ignorance in the classroom is not a big matter, why not go whole hog?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:20:44pm |
look, guys, I’m just here to have a conversation with you. i’m interested in your point of view.
it was my understanding CHarles was friends with Victor David Hanson of National Review. I think that I am an intellectual conservative in the mold of VDH.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:20:50pm |
re: #251 DrTesla
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:20:55pm |
re: #251 DrTesla
well I think men have the right to have an opinion on religious liberty. i feel lik e this is a trap question. ii’m getting nervous. LOL
They may have whatever opinion they like, so long as their opinion does not intrude on the rights of others. Do you agree?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:20:59pm |
re: #247 DrTesla
Fun! A Creationist Troll! Do you believe that women are submissive to men too?
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:22:02pm |
re: #254 Targetpractice
What other fantasies do you believe should be taught as fact in science classrooms? The four humors? The Ptolemaic model of the universe? Illness being caused by foul odors? Come now, if ignorance in the classroom is not a big matter, why not go whole hog?
i just don’t really care what high school kids are taught that much. most of them don’t care about school period and they probably won’t even hear whatever it is you don’t want taught.
i’m a mechanical engineer so don’t play the anti-science card on me. that’ll upset me more than the race card.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:22:08pm |
re: #236 DrTesla
the woman is going to congress to talk about her sex life and birth control costs which isn’t expensive.
She didn’t talk about her sex life at all. She talked about her friend who had polycystic ovarian syndrome, for which BC pills are a commonly prescribed treatment to prevent tumors. Her friend couldn’t afford the pills, got the tumors and had to drop out of class to have surgery. If you’re going to lie and pretend to have listened to her statement the least you can do is try to get the salient facts correct.
his point was really just about the role of government. i thought it ws a good point. she also chose to go to Gtown which she had to know was a Catholic school and Catholics are known for being strict on BC.
Georgetown law students pay for their own health insurance. The school only negotiates the plan and makes participating in it mandatory. Insurance coverage that precludes preventative treatments for common medical conditions costs more, not less in actuarial terms, because the inevitable surgeries, pregnancies and disease treatments cost many, many times more than simple prophylaxis.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:22:09pm |
re: #254 Targetpractice
What other fantasies do you believe should be taught as fact in science classrooms? The four humors? The Ptolemaic model of the universe? Illness being caused by foul odors? Come now, if ignorance in the classroom is not a big matter, why not go whole hog?
Science class would be so much easier with only four elements.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:22:30pm |
re: #251 DrTesla
well I think men have the right to have an opinion on religious liberty.
Just not women!
Or else they’re dirty sluts. LOL.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:23:38pm |
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Usually refered to as anyways Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:24:01pm |
re: #255 DrTesla
look, guys, I’m just here to have a conversation with you. i’m interested in your point of view.
it was my understanding CHarles was friends with Victor David Hanson of National Review. I think that I am an intellectual conservative in the mold of VDH.
Well there’s part of the problem…
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:24:03pm |
Kids don’t care about school, so who gives a fuck what they learn there?
What a disgustingly vile lump of shit thing to say.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:24:08pm |
There’s no way this guy can be a mechanical engineer and not understand the problem with teaching creationism.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:24:15pm |
re: #259 DrTesla
i just don’t really care what high school kids are taught that much. most of them don’t care about school period and they probably won’t even hear whatever it is you don’t want taught.
i’m a mechanical engineer so don’t play the anti-science card on me. that’ll upset me more than the race card.
And as a mechanical engineer, I assume you understand the need for a strong foundation early in school based upon scientific fact and testable theory, rather than fantasy and religious doctrine.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:25:16pm |
VDH and “intellectual conservative” in the same sentence?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:25:43pm |
re: #267 SteveMcGazi
It’s a TROLL. Nothing about it is real, except that it crawled out from under a bridge. And will need pounding & marinating to make a good breakfast!
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:25:49pm |
re: #258 Dancing along the light of day
Fun! A Creationist Troll! Do you believe that women are submissive to men too?
DId you mean, “should be submissive”? I think it is up to them but I certainly have no expectations of how women should act. i’m no ladies man. LOLZ
I tend to believe there is a God of some sort, and I am skepitcal of evolution, but I also don’t believe there is a heaven. does that make me a creationist?
my problem with evolution theory is I don’t see why reproduction would have originated if it’s just about the “survival of the fittest” as a creature doesn’t need to be able to reproducce for itself to survive. Reproduction seems like a mechanism that would have to be designed for.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:26:16pm |
re: #259 DrTesla
i just don’t really care what high school kids are taught that much. most of them don’t care about school period and they probably won’t even hear whatever it is you don’t want taught.
i’m a mechanical engineer so don’t play the anti-science card on me. that’ll upset me more than the race card.
i’m afraid i must inform you that at this point you have made yourself an object of pity and embarrassment more than anything else
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:27:02pm |
re: #271 DrTesla
my problem with evolution theory is…
No, your problem is that you don’t understand the theory of evolution.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:28:12pm |
re: #274 DrTesla
i don’t think she’s a whore just bit of a bimbo who probably needs to get a real job.
She’s demonstrably smarter than you are.
Also, here’s another video.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:28:16pm |
re: #274 DrTesla
Speaking to a “bimbo who probably needs to get a real job”
looked in a mirror lately?
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:28:20pm |
re: #271 DrTesla
my problem with evolution theory is I don’t see why reproduction would have originated if it’s just about the “survival of the fittest” as a creature doesn’t need to be able to reproducce for itself to survive. Reproduction seems like a mechanism that would have to be designed for.
Wow. That’s a whole lot of scientific illiteracy there. No wonder you don’t care what kids learn in school. You didn’t learn it either.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:28:42pm |
re: #273 Shvaughn
No, your problem is that you don’t understand the theory of evolution.
that may be true but I think that is true of most people who are “taught” evolution in high school. they don’t go into a lot of depth.
i don’t think having questions and skepticism about evolution makes you stupid or anti-science though, intelligent people probe everything, and there is really no way you can prove evolution to be true as far as I can see.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:29:28pm |
re: #276 Dancing along the light of day
well it’s been a tough 4 years for engineers. that’s why I was hoping Romney would be elected. say what you want about him, i think he could have gotten the economy going again.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:30:00pm |
re: #276 Dancing along the light of day
Speaking to a “bimbo who probably needs to get a real job”
looked in a mirror lately?
i would have to say that yet another person somewhat shy of a high school diploma has wandered in
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:30:34pm |
So the question becomes, should religious owners of public accommodations and schools receiving federal grants and loans be allowed to force their religious practices upon all employees and/or students who don’t believe in or practice that religion?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:30:40pm |
re: #280 engineer cat
I was thinking “a few fries short of a happy meal” myself!
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:30:55pm |
re: #278 DrTesla
that may be true but I think that is true of most people who are “taught” evolution in high school. they don’t go into a lot of depth.
i don’t think having questions and skepticism about evolution makes you stupid or anti-science though, intelligent people probe everything, and there is really no way you can prove evolution to be true as far as I can see.
There’s a distinct difference between “I don’t understand evolution, I’ll study it further” and “I don’t understand evolution, so obviously it’s a bunch of crap.”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:31:14pm |
re: #278 DrTesla
that may be true but I think that is true of most people who are “taught” evolution in high school. they don’t go into a lot of depth.
i don’t think having questions and skepticism about evolution makes you stupid or anti-science though, intelligent people probe everything, and there is really no way you can prove evolution to be true as far as I can see.
So, I’m guessing you’re good with alchemy, flat earth theory, and the balancing of bodily humours via treppaning and blood letting are also worthy of discussion in the class room then.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:31:38pm |
re: #279 DrTesla
that’s why I was hoping Romney would be elected.
This one has a certain amount of persistence, but unfortunately that can’t make up for lack of style, wit, or intelligence while trolling.
Throw this troll back, it’s too small.
Another video.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:31:49pm |
re: #284 Kragar (Antichrist )
I wish for more than one upding for this, you evil man!
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:32:05pm |
Okay, the overwhelming amount of stupidity in DrTeslaTroll’s comments has sucked all the oxygen out of the room, so I’m leaving before I lose any brain cells. Later.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:32:57pm |
re: #280 engineer cat
i would have to say that yet another person somewhat shy of a high school diploma has wandered in
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:33:10pm |
re: #288 CuriousLurker
Okay, the overwhelming amount of stupidity in DrTeslaTroll’s comments has sucked all the oxygen out of the room, so I’m leaving before I lose any brain cells. Later.
Sad thing is, that’s probably what he intended.
Not that I blame you for leaving, mind you.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:34:17pm |
what do you think about the argument that an eye is a real complex organ and it is highly improbable that all these random mutations could have occured and in such a sequence to result in something as perfect and amazing as the eye. a half formed eye would be useless and I don’t think it is logical to think randomness could lead to something of great complexity with a specific purprose like sight. in my mind the theory of evolution is bit of a reach.
i have not read anythign about intellignent design and i’m not advocating that theory on here. it’s my understanding they use the eye analogy to criticize evolution but i dont’ want to defend the intelligent design theory b/c i don’t even know exactly what it is.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:35:51pm |
LOLOL!
“i have not read anythign about intellignent design”
You sure nailed that!
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:36:20pm |
re: #281 goddamnedfrank
So the question becomes, should religious owners of public accommodations and schools receiving federal grants and loans be allowed to force their religious practices upon all employees and/or students who don’t believe in or practice that religion?
well i think if you choose to go a religious school when you could have gone to another one, you do have to agree to their policies. an analogy would be to take a job and agree to work for x salary, and then turnaround and complain about x salary after you took the job. or complain about a policy at the company that you were aware of prior to taking the job. there are consequences for your decisions but people like Fluke seem to think the world have to adjust to her.
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CuriousLurker Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:36:32pm |
re: #290 Shvaughn
Sad thing is, that’s probably what he intended.
Not that I blame you for leaving, mind you.
No, having an audience is a troll’s reason for being, and I’m not willing to give it another second of my attention. I can easily think of 100 better things to do right now.
~~~GONE~~~
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:36:41pm |
re: #274 DrTesla
ok, well it’s been a year and I don’t remember all the details but I interpreted it a lot different way when I heard the audio plus I READ a lot about it considering it became the Most Important Story for a few months. i don’t think she’s a whore just bit of a bimbo who probably needs to get a real job.
Here’s a .pdf of Fluke’s statement to Congress. Go ahead and re familiarize yourself with her testimony and try to point out where she was talking about her own sex life.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:37:17pm |
re: #292 Dancing along the light of day
LOLOL!
“i have not read anythign about intellignent design”
You sure nailed that!
why mock my ignorance, especially when I’ve acknowledged it? There is no shame in lack of knowledge, people are ignorant in different areas.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:37:29pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:37:48pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:37:50pm |
re: #291 DrTesla
hey, “mechanical engineer” - try these on for size:
1) For a shaft designated as 40 H8/f7, calculate the tolerances
2) What are the different theories of failure under static load, explain briefly?
no points for mere googling and regurgitating the results
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:38:40pm |
re: #291 DrTesla
a half formed eye would be useless
Scallops and Brittle Stars have incredibly rudimentary optical systems, yet they make great use out of them.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:38:41pm |
re: #291 DrTesla
what do you think about the argument that an eye is a real complex organ and it is highly improbable that all these random mutations could have occured and in such a sequence to result in something as perfect and amazing as the eye. a half formed eye would be useless and I don’t think it is logical to think randomness could lead to something of great complexity with a specific purprose like sight. in my mind the theory of evolution is bit of a reach.
i have not read anythign about intellignent design and i’m not advocating that theory on here. it’s my understanding they use the eye analogy to criticize evolution but i dont’ want to defend the intelligent design theory b/c i don’t even know exactly what it is.
sounds like onna them chick whathisname comix books
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:38:52pm |
re: #296 DrTesla
Um, I am mocking your spelling in addition to your ideas.
Do you not have spellcheck?
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:39:10pm |
There are bacteria that don’t have eyes and are attracted to light. re: #291 DrTesla
what do you think about the argument that an eye is a real complex organ and it is highly improbable that all these random mutations could have occured and in such a sequence to result in something as perfect and amazing as the eye. a half formed eye would be useless and I don’t think it is logical to think randomness could lead to something of great complexity with a specific purprose like sight. in my mind the theory of evolution is bit of a reach.
i have not read anythign about intellignent design and i’m not advocating that theory on here. it’s my understanding they use the eye analogy to criticize evolution but i dont’ want to defend the intelligent design theory b/c i don’t even know exactly what it is.
It’s hard to believe that you haven’t read anything about intelligent design when you are parroting one of the favorite talking points of its advocates.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:39:41pm |
re: #295 goddamnedfrank
Here’s a .pdf of Fluke’s statement to Congress. Go ahead and re familiarize yourself with her testimony and try to point out where she was talking about her own sex life.
eh, i think we should just agree to disagree on this one. I think that I’m right on my understanding of what she said and you aren’t going to agree b/c we have different political philosophies. I think Fluke was an excellent flashpoint in how conservatives and liberals view the role of government in relation to the citizen. i dont’ know how Rush even stumbled upon her testimony but I understood immediately why he highlighted it. it’s unfortanute that he got off into the slut thing b/c i think liberals have been able to drown out the main point was he making.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:39:46pm |
re: #291 DrTesla
what do you think about the argument that an eye is a real complex organ and it is highly improbable that all these random mutations could have occured and in such a sequence to result in something as perfect and amazing as the eye. a half formed eye would be useless and I don’t think it is logical to think randomness could lead to something of great complexity with a specific purprose like sight. in my mind the theory of evolution is bit of a reach.
i have not read anythign about intellignent design and i’m not advocating that theory on here. it’s my understanding they use the eye analogy to criticize evolution but i dont’ want to defend the intelligent design theory b/c i don’t even know exactly what it is.
“Intelligent design” works by pointing to a complex organ or system in the animal kingdom and saying “There’s no way that evolved through trial and error.” It starts from the basis that life is too complex to be “random” and that there must be some guiding power that created everything for a specific purpose. In shorter terms, it’s smart-sounding ignorance.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:40:35pm |
re: #299 engineer cat
hey, “mechanical engineer” - try these on for size:
1) For a shaft designated as 40 H8/f7, calculate the tolerances
2) What are the different theories of failure under static load, explain briefly?
no points for mere googling and regurgitating the results
lol, you are sandbagging me. i haven’t done this kind of stuff since college or when I studied for my PE exam a few years back.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:40:53pm |
re: #304 DrTesla
eh, i think we should just agree to disagree on this one.
Don’t confuse him with the facts, just “agree to disagree.”
This is the most pathetic troll I’ve seen in a long time here. He’s not even a GOOD troll. I think we’re all just a little bored.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:41:20pm |
re: #306 DrTesla
lol, you are sandbagging me. i haven’t done this kind of stuff since college or when I studied for my PE exam a few years back.
OK, what are the two components of a vector?
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:41:20pm |
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:42:20pm |
re: #305 Targetpractice
“Intelligent design” works by pointing to a complex organ or system in the animal kingdom and saying “There’s no way that evolved through trial and error.” It starts from the basis that life is too complex to be “random” and that there must be some guiding power that created everything for a specific purpose. In shorter terms, it’s smart-sounding ignorance.
well i hate to admit this but I agree with their logic. I think that is extremely logical. complexity is more likely to result from design than random events.
i think evolution theory challenges the law of probablity, assuming there is such a law. LOL
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:43:25pm |
re: #308 SteveMcGazi
OK, what are the two components of a vector?
i and j? i probably going to miss this, i rather not answer pop quizes all night. if you want to believe i don’t have engineering degree, that’s cool with me. i didn’t mean it to brag or antying like that. if that was my goal, i would have picked a more sexy career like brain surgeon. LOL
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:43:27pm |
re: #304 DrTesla
eh, i think we should just agree to disagree on this one. I think that I’m right on my understanding of what she said and you aren’t going to agree b/c we have different political philosophies.
No. Show me where she was talking about her own sex life or face the fact that you’re a lying piece of trash. Your “understanding” of her testimony isn’t based in any kind of honest reading of what she said. It’s based on a need for ideological confirmation that people like Limbaugh provide to the simpleminded, hateful idiots who can’t parse a few paragraphs of plain English for themselves.
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:43:55pm |
re: #306 DrTesla
lol, you are sandbagging me. i haven’t done this kind of stuff since college or when I studied for my PE exam a few years back.
um, i got it from a web page called “mechanical engineering interview questions”
that is, they are typical questions that somebody applying for a position as a real mechanical engineer would be asked, if you hadn’t quite got the point yet. you see, you should be able to answer them cold if you actually wanted to get a job as a mechanical engineer
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:44:03pm |
re: #310 DrTesla
Of course you agree with their “logic”. You’re an idiot. You’ve already displayed a fundamental misunderstanding of a variety of topics, including science.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:44:28pm |
It really is time to stop feeding the troll. We’ve been down this road before. And it’s always a mechanical engineer who hasn’t done this stuff since college.
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Shvaughn Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:44:42pm |
I can’t wait until this guy gets the boot.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:45:59pm |
If it weren’t a Sunday night with nothing much going on, I guess this would already be over, but he’s taking advantage of a bunch of bored insomniacs.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:46:30pm |
re: #316 Shvaughn
We like the same kind of tunes!
Someone else posted this a couple of nights ago.
Our troll need more bluebirds!
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:46:43pm |
re: #315 SteveMcGazi
It really is time to stop feeding the troll. We’ve been down this road before. And it’s always a mechanical engineer who hasn’t done this stuff since college.
I love how they always pick a career they think people here might not know about or understand. Then they try to pass off their blatant ignorance as not being prepared a pop quiz, or being out of practice at math or whatever.
Definitely one of the least interesting trolls we’ve had in a while.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:47:21pm |
Just for the hell of it they were scalar and directional. Or if you went to public school magnitude and direction.
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Targetpractice Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:47:48pm |
re: #310 DrTesla
well i hate to admit this but I agree with their logic. I think that is extremely logical. complexity is more likely to result from design than random events.
i think evolution theory challenges the law of probablity, assuming there is such a law. LOL
You see logic in the argument that nothing happens by chance? That the odds are so astronomical that human beings evolved from lesser species that they must have been designed by a higher power?
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:47:49pm |
re: #317 SteveMcGazi
If it weren’t a Sunday night with nothing much going on, I guess this would already be over, but he’s taking advantage of a bunch of bored insomniacs.
hey! i resemble that remark!
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:48:02pm |
re: #300 goddamnedfrank
Scallops and Brittle Stars have incredibly rudimentary optical systems, yet they make great use out of them.
well the thing about evolution is I don’t think i ever seen people say x species evolved from y species and then prove it. how could you prove it. it seems like they just speculate that evolution occured but they don’t prove it. they will say , x speciceis kind of resembles y species so therefore it evolved from the other. that’s not science.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:48:57pm |
re: #313 engineer cat
um, i got it from a web page called “mechanical engineering interview questions”
that is, they are typical questions that somebody applying for a position as a real mechanical engineer would be asked, if you hadn’t quite got the point yet. you see, you should be able to answer them cold if you actually wanted to get a job as a mechanical engineer
i never get asked questions like that in interviews. they usually talk about your experience, your skills, what your goals are, stuff like that.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:49:07pm |
re: #319 Lidane
I love how they always pick a career they think people here might not know about or understand. Then they try to pass off their blatant ignorance as not being prepared a pop quiz, or being out of practice at math or whatever.
Definitely one of the least interesting trolls we’ve had in a while.
I think they just try to pretend they are really interested in science, and they are just trying to be scientific about science.
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:49:18pm |
More entertaining than the scientifically illiterate troll:
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Lidane Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:50:40pm |
re: #325 DrTesla
That’s true for sales or marketing positions. For something technical like an engineer, they actually like to know if you have any clue about the subject at hand.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:50:59pm |
re: #321 Targetpractice
You see logic in the argument that nothing happens by chance? That the odds are so astronomical that human beings evolved from lesser species that they must have been designed by a higher power?
we are not talking about just chance, we are talking about multiple chances that lead to something very complex. humans are nowhere near designing something as complex as the eye yet we want to posit that happy chance got that done? that just seems incredible. I’m not saying the notion of God isn’t incredible too.
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SteveMcGazi Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:52:02pm |
Actually the troll may have a point about the questions. An old friend of mine ran a department for a defense contractor. He originally developed ENIAC, but by the time he was a manager technology had left him in the dust. He was an excellent manager by the way. However, I don’t think the fundamentals of mechanical engineering are racing along like Moore’s law does.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:52:45pm |
re: #324 Kragar (Antichrist )
Goodness! I haven’t heard that in YEARS! Thanks!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:54:33pm |
Ronnie Dio and the Prophets - 03 - Gonna Make it Alone
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:54:35pm |
re: #312 goddamnedfrank
No. Show me where she was talking about her own sex life or face the fact that you’re a lying piece of trash. Your “understanding” of her testimony isn’t based in any kind of honest reading of what she said. It’s based on a need for ideological confirmation that people like Limbaugh provide to the simpleminded, hateful idiots who can’t parse a few paragraphs of plain English for themselves.
well I think telling Congress you spend 3000 dollars in 3 years on birth control is talking about your sex life in some way, isn’t it? the costs of your sex life, if you want greater specificity.
i don’t think Rush hates the woman, he was just using her comments to make a point about the role of government. I just think a citizen talking to Congrress about her birth control costs is funny. even if it has been at the local level, it would have been funny to me, but she’s talking to politicians who should be concerned with bigger things at the federal level. it tickled me, what can i say.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:56:13pm |
re: #328 Lidane
That’s true for sales or marketing positions. For something technical like an engineer, they actually like to know if you have any clue about the subject at hand.
well if you won’t to believe that i’m not a mechanical engineer, that’s fine, but i never been asked questions like that in an interview. i think that would be sandbagging, really, and the type of questions you ask are not something I need to know about, anyway.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:56:27pm |
I’m on day 4 of the flu, finally clearing up.
re: #323 DrTesla
well the thing about evolution is I don’t think i ever seen people say x species evolved from y species and then prove it. how could you prove it.
Look at the DNA, it shows a steady chain of relation between evolving species. That’s how you end up with human DNA being 96 to 98% similar to chimpanzees but only about 80% similar to cows and 60% to fruit flies. The fewer evolutionary jumps between any two species correlates to a greater percentage of genetic similarity between those species.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:56:55pm |
RJD with Elf - 1973 - Streetwalker
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engineer cat Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:59:04pm |
re: #325 DrTesla
i never get asked questions like that in interviews. they usually talk about your experience, your skills, what your goals are, stuff like that.
well, i’m a software engineer, and i get put through the fucking mill technically on job interviews
“so, ok, suppose we start out writing a recursive version of fibonacci. not too hard, right? okay, what is the runtime complexity - the big O? N to the N. why is that? (demonstrate why recursive fibonacci is n to the n, a really radical horrible runtime, by drawing the beginning of the recursion tree on the whiteboard) okay, what do we do about it? dynamic programming, that’s right. can you name some other dynamic programming algorithms you are familiar with? levenshtein distance? the really clever dynamic programming solution to the knapsack problem?”
been asked that one a few times
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:59:25pm |
re: #336 goddamnedfrank
On topic with regards to the flu, Humans are about 8% viral DNA. We’ve also actually observed evolution happening in the laboratory, the fact that it occurs is experimentally provable.
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DrTesla Sun, Mar 3, 2013 11:59:53pm |
re: #326 SteveMcGazi
I think they just try to pretend they are really interested in science, and they are just trying to be scientific about science.
lol, i’m not concerned about my status at all. i think ignorant people can ask intelligent questions and i don’t think scientists should be hostile toward people doubting their theories.
at the end of the day, it doesn’t matter what anybody thinks about evolution. it’s not like newton’s law of motions and other proven theories of science.
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Lidane Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:00:14am |
OK. Bored with the troll now. And I need sleep before work in the morning.
Adios, Lizards!
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:01:13am |
re: #329 DrTesla
we are not talking about just chance, we are talking about multiple chances that lead to something very complex. humans are nowhere near designing something as complex as the eye yet we want to posit that happy chance got that done? that just seems incredible. I’m not saying the notion of God isn’t incredible too.
Stretch out the path from single-celled creatures to human over millions of years and the chances don’t seem that far-fetched. Creatures adapt to survive and thrive, we see that in the growing prevalence of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria. Random mutations leads to creatures that survive in changing environments long enough to pass on their genetic code to the next generation.
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engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:01:22am |
re: #325 DrTesla
i never get asked questions like that in interviews. they usually talk about your experience, your skills, what your goals are, stuff like that.
are you just too stupid to realize when you have been totally pwned?
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:01:45am |
re: #334 DrTesla
well I think telling Congress you spend 3000 dollars in 3 years on birth control is talking about your sex life in some way, isn’t it?
Let’s look at what she said:
On a daily basis, I hear from yet another woman from Georgetown or other schools or who works for a religiously affiliated employer who has suffered financial, emotional, and medical burdens because of this lack of contraceptive coverage. And so, I am here to share their voices and I thank you for allowing them to be heard.
Without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. Forty percent of female students at Georgetown Law report struggling financially as a result of this policy. One told us of how embarrassed and powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter, learning for the first time that contraception wasn’t covered, and had to walk away because she couldn’t afford it.
You’re really trying to support that as being talking about her own sex life?
Your stupidity is really insulting.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:02:05am |
re: #323 DrTesla
well the thing about evolution is I don’t think i ever seen people say x species evolved from y species and then prove it. how could you prove it. it seems like they just speculate that evolution occured but they don’t prove it. they will say , x speciceis kind of resembles y species so therefore it evolved from the other. that’s not science.
Your understanding of science seems rather weak. Science makes a hypothesis and then seeks facts to prove said hypothesis. A hypothesis confirmed by observed fact is a theory. A scientific theory.
Just look at DNA: the we share over 90% of our DNA with higher primates, a smaller share with other species. Just one of the many facts that confirms the hypothesis that we share a common evolutionary descent.
Science is about observable, objective facts. The notion that a higher intelligence, a God, might be the driving force behind Evolution is not implausible, it is just not scientifically verifiable, therefore, lies outside science (and does not belong in a science classroom).
The “logic” I hear from a lot of creationists seems to be “Evoklution is just a theory, there are gaps in the fossil record, therefore Creation as described in two different and partially mutually contradicting versions in a 4,000-year-old Hebrew text must be true”
And that is neither science nor logic, that is just brain-boggling stupidity.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:02:37am |
the thing about Fluke is the costs of attending Georgetown are staggering but she is up there talking about the costs of her birth control, which are going to be a tiny fraction of her tuition and living costs at Georgetown, even if we give her the seemingly bogus figure of 3000 bucks in 3 years on inexpensive birth control.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:03:10am |
re: #344 engineer cat
are you just too stupid to realize when you have been totally pwned?
I assume that’s a rhetorical question.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:04:08am |
re: #343 Targetpractice
Stretch out the path from single-celled creatures to human over millions of years and the chances don’t seem that far-fetched. Creatures adapt to survive and thrive, we see that in the growing prevalence of antibiotic-resistant strains of bacteria. Random mutations leads to creatures that survive in changing environments long enough to pass on their genetic code to the next generation.
well antibiotic resitant strains of bacteria just demonstrate natural selection. Natural selection can only perserve or eliminate traits that ALREADY exist in an organism, it doesn’t lead to the creation of new traits and by proxy new organisms. there is a tendency for some people to conflate natural selection with evolution theory, which seems to me to be a huge mistake.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:04:53am |
re: #344 engineer cat
are you just too stupid to realize when you have been totally pwned?
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:45am |
re: #347 DrTesla
the thing about Fluke is the costs of attending Georgetown are staggering but she is up there talking about the costs of her birth control, which are going to be a tiny fraction of her tuition and living costs at Georgetown, even if we give her the seemingly bogus figure of 3000 bucks in 3 years on inexpensive birth control.
What she was talking about is that she is required to carry an insurance policy by the school, with the rules on such written in a manner that means most students have no choice by get their insurance through the school, but is told that she has to pay for contraceptive pills on her own because the school refuses to cover them as part of the insurance plan they force on students based purely on “religious freedom.”
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:01am |
Three Engineers arguing about the nature of God.
The mechanical engineer points out, “Look at the system of joints, tendons and ligaments in the human body: God must be a mechanical engineer”
The electrical engineer states, “Look at the human nervous system, a comßülex network of billions of nerve cells and pathways. God must be an electrical engineer!”
The civil engineer pooints out: “Who else would install a sewage outlet right in the middle of a recreational area? God is a civil engineer!”
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:31am |
I’m not a scientists, or evolution theory expert. I’m just a guy who likes to talk about stuff. my opinions are non-binding and I don’t have all the answers. i think if you are a scientist and you get outraged when people doubt your theory, you probably need to get better theories. :)
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freetoken Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:15am |
re: #353 DrTesla
i think if you are a scientist and you get outraged when people doubt your theory, you probably need to get better theories. :)
Or find better students.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:25am |
re: #353 DrTesla
I’m not a scientists, or evolution theory expert. I’m just a guy who likes to talk about stuff. my opinions are non-binding and I don’t have all the answers. i think if you are a scientist and you get outraged when people doubt your theory, you probably need to get better theories. :)
Scientists are constantly working on better theories.
And your questions belie a basic lack of understanding of how science and scientists work.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:35am |
re: #352 Sol Berdinowitz
Three Engineers arguing about the nature of God.
The mechanical engineer points out, “Look at the system of joints, tendons and ligaments in the human body: God must be a mechanical engineer”
The electrical engineer states, “Look at the human nervous system, a comßülex network of billions of nerve cells and pathways. God must be an electrical engineer!”
The civil engineer pooints out: “Who else would install a sewage outlet right in the middle of a recreational area? God is a civil engineer!”
lol, an oldie but a classic.
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:08:03am |
re: #349 DrTesla
well antibiotic resitant strains of bacteria just demonstrate natural selection. Natural selection can only perserve or eliminate traits that ALREADY exist in an organism, it doesn’t lead to the creation of new traits and by proxy new organisms. there is a tendency for some people to conflate natural selection with evolution theory, which seems to me to be a huge mistake.
So you do have some understanding of evolutionary theory. Now, how does one jibe natural selection with intelligent design? Does some higher power choose to inflict antibiotic-resistant strains upon humanity?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:09:24am |
re: #355 Sol Berdinowitz
Scientists are constantly working on better theories.
And your questions belie a basic lack of understanding of how science and scientists work.
that’s true but my counter would be that engineers are people who apply science and you have to understanad science to apply it. i’d rather just talk about evolution and other stuff rather than me. i’m not all that interesting and i don’t claim to be einstein. i just need somebody to love me the whole day through.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:11:14am |
re: #357 Targetpractice
So you do have some understanding of evolutionary theory. Now, how does one jibe natural selection with intelligent design? Does some higher power choose to inflict antibiotic-resistant strains upon humanity?
Yes, as punishment for sexual promiscuity.
You do not understand how Intelligent Design works, do you? One makes a hypothesis about why a loving, caring God is making people suffer and then finds a verse in the Bible that can be (mis)interpreted or taken out of context to support such a statement.
Works every time.
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freetoken Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:11:53am |
All that’s missing from this hat trick is global warming.
Anyway, this goes out to the good ol’ days:
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:45am |
re: #357 Targetpractice
So you do have some understanding of evolutionary theory. Now, how does one jibe natural selection with intelligent design? Does some higher power choose to inflict antibiotic-resistant strains upon humanity?
no, natural selection is just the result of the fact species have some variation and depending on the environment, certain traits are more deseriable and these traits aid in survival of the members of the species that have it, and thus the other members who don’t have it die out. i don’t see a conflict b/t natural selection and the idea that a God created the creature in the first place.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:19am |
re: #354 freetoken
Or find better students.
well sense we first started talking about this in context of high schools teaching creationism, do you really want to posit the students in high school being taught evolution are the brightest in the world. not at the high school i went to. LOL
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engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:39am |
re: #352 Sol Berdinowitz
Three Engineers arguing about the nature of God.
The mechanical engineer points out, “Look at the system of joints, tendons and ligaments in the human body: God must be a mechanical engineer”
The electrical engineer states, “Look at the human nervous system, a comßülex network of billions of nerve cells and pathways. God must be an electrical engineer!”
The civil engineer pooints out: “Who else would install a sewage outlet right in the middle of a recreational area? God is a civil engineer!”
an electrical engineer, a manager, and a software engineer are on a road trip to a conference when they lose control of their car at the top of a hill and crash
the manager says “let’s hold a quality circle, work smarter and not harder, and converge on a solution”
the electrical engineer says “oh hell just give me some copper wire and a screwdriver and i’ll have it fixed in five minutes”
the software engineer says “um, can we push it back up to the top of the hill and see if it does the same thing every time?”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:49am |
re: #360 freetoken
All that’s missing from this hat trick is global warming.
Anyway, this goes out to the good ol’ days:
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Don’t forget gay marriage
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:15:33am |
man it is hard to express what I mean about evolution. i wish i was better with words.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:15:59am |
re: #347 DrTesla
the thing about Fluke is the costs of attending Georgetown are staggering but she is up there talking about the costs of her birth control, which are going to be a tiny fraction of her tuition and living costs at Georgetown, even if we give her the seemingly bogus figure of 3000 bucks in 3 years on inexpensive birth control.
The figure isn’t bogus, she said it could cost up to that amount. She was correct, Alesse ($129 for 28 day supply) and Seasonique ($279 for 91 day supply) each cost over a thousand per year at the brand price.
And the point is that the female students of Georgetown are forced to pay even more for insurance that covers less, and that without BC they’re at greater risk of developing dangerous medical conditions such endometriosis and ovarian tumors. Saying that it’s not much more when viewed in light of of all the other staggering costs is massively patronizing and insultingly dismissive.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:16:07am |
re: #358 DrTesla
Science is about how we got here.
Religion is about why.
One is objectively verifiable, one relies on subjectivity and faith.
One belongs in a science classroom, the other in a Sunday school curiculum.
Keep that in mind, and we’ll all make progress.
Those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Christian Scriptures feel compelled to reject Evolution because they see an innate contradiction between the theory of Evolution through natural selection and the Scriptural record of a Big Dude in the Sky shaping us out of the priordial mud.
It meakes them open to any harebrained notions that discredit a well founded and established scientific theory.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:16:57am |
re: #365 Kragar (Antichrist )
Don’t forget gay marriage
Ask him what he thinks about OWS, that’s always fun for a laugh.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:17:25am |
re: #360 freetoken
All that’s missing from this hat trick is global warming.
Anyway, this goes out to the good ol’ days:
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global warming is so 2007. even Obama didn’t talk about it in his campaign.
say what you want about Rush, I do think his anti-global warming jihad over the years helped to end that as an issue.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:20:47am |
re: #368 Sol Berdinowitz
Science is about how we got here.
Religion is about why.
One is objectively verifiable, one relies on subjectivity and faith.
One belongs in a science classroom, the other in a Sunday school curiculum.
Keep that in mind, and we’ll all make progress.
Those who insist on a literal interpretation of the Christian Scriptures feel compelled to reject Evolution because they see an innate contradiction between the theory of Evolution through natural selection and the Scriptural record of a Big Dude in the Sky shaping us out of the priordial mud.
It meakes them open to any harebrained notions that discredit a well founded and established scientific theory.
well I guess that I’m in the camp who doesn’t think it hurts kids to be exposed to all the theories out there, be it evolution or creationism or intelligent design or whatever. just outline the beliefs, this has always seeme dlike a trivial issue which is why i’m always surprised liberals make it out as some kind of national thing. i never hear republican pols talking about creationism in schools but maybe i live under a rock.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:20:59am |
re: #370 DrTesla
global warming is so 2007. even Obama didn’t talk about it in his campaign.
say what you want about Rush, I do think his anti-global warming jihad over the years helped to end that as an issue.
And you’re an idiot.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:21:57am |
re: #370 DrTesla
global warming is so 2007. even Obama didn’t talk about it in his campaign.
say what you want about Rush, I do think his anti-global warming jihad over the years helped to end that as an issue.
Hat trick.
Of course Obama did not mention it in his campaign, it would only cause a shitstorm of boneheaded Rush rage and not advance the cause.
And besides, didn’t it snow last week in Cleveland?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:23:59am |
re: #371 DrTesla
well I guess that I’m in the camp who doesn’t think it hurts kids to be exposed to all the theories out there, be it evolution or creationism or intelligent design or whatever.just outline the beliefs, this has always seeme dlike a trivial issue which is why i’m always surprised liberals make it out as some kind of national thing. i never hear republican pols talking about creationism in schools but maybe i live under a rock.
Those are not scientific theories, they are matters of religious doctrine. Feel free to expose yourself to them in Sunday school or in your Bible study group.
But they have nothing to do with science and even comparing them with science is highly misleading.
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:24:41am |
re: #361 DrTesla
no, natural selection is just the result of the fact species have some variation and depending on the environment, certain traits are more deseriable and these traits aid in survival of the members of the species that have it, and thus the other members who don’t have it die out. i don’t see a conflict b/t natural selection and the idea that a God created the creature in the first place.
Why would an all-powerful being create variation in a species? For that matter, why would such a being change the environment such that only the variant members of the species would thrive better?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:25:55am |
The existence of snow automatically means global warming doesn’t exist.
Meanwhile, the Iditarod may be cancelled because of the lack of snowpack in Alaska.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:26:13am |
re: #375 Targetpractice
Why would an all-powerful being create variation in a species? For that matter, why would such a being change the environment such that only the variant members of the species would thrive better?
because they are sinners. don’t forget that homosexuality is rampant in the animal kingdom as well.
and if a ram tuppeth a ram as if it were a ewe, the two shall be smitten with a pathogenic mutation!!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:26:45am |
re: #376 Kragar (Antichrist )
The existence of snow automatically means global warming doesn’t exist.
Meanwhile, the Iditarod may be cancelled because of the lack of snowpack in Alaska.
God’s punishment for using gay sled dogs
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:26:48am |
I think government should get out of the marriage business. I scoff when pro-gay marriage people say that it’s about government getting out of personal lives while they are pushing for government perks for gay couples. i also thought marriage perks were really about the gov. encouraging men to stay with the women they knock up b/c the man-woman relationship is assymmetrical b/c only women can get pregnant. Gay couples have a very different sort of relationship b/c neither can get pregnant as a result, so I don’t see what is “bigoted” about simply suggesting gays are not eligible for marriage benefits. i don’t think governemnt perks for marriage are really about rewarding couples for being in love and having sex with each other, are they? i don’t know, i haven’t studies gay marriage that much so maybe I miss something in their argument.
even if republicans were to flip on gay marriage, would that matter to voters given Democrats staked out the pro-gay marriage position first? Given the fact liberals say we are bigots, it will just look like a political and cynical move if we flip on it, just doing it to re-brand ourselves is what Democrats will say. We really can’t win on the issue now.
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freetoken Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:28:00am |
Well, if we run out of topics there is always miscegenation…
This one goes out to our dear cousins, the Amphibia:
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:28:05am |
re: #370 DrTesla
global warming is so 2007. even Obama didn’t talk about it in his campaign.
Acceptance speech:
“And, yes, my plan will continue to reduce the carbon pollution that is heating our planet – because climate change is not a hoax. More droughts and floods and wildfires are not a joke. They are a threat to our children’s future. And in this election you can do something about it.”
Inaugural address:
“We will respond to the threat of climate change, knowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. Some may still deny the overwhelming judgment of science, but none can avoid the devastating impact of raging fires, and crippling drought, and more powerful storms.”
SOTU 2013:
“If Congress won’t act soon to protect future generations, I will. I will direct my Cabinet to come up with executive actions we can take, now and in the future, to reduce pollution, prepare our communities for the consequences of climate change, and speed the transition to more sustainable sources of energy.”
Only an idiot (or a really bad troll) would think that this issue is dead.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:28:15am |
re: #373 Sol Berdinowitz
Hat trick.
Of course Obama did not mention it in his campaign, it would only cause a shitstorm of boneheaded Rush rage and not advance the cause.
And besides, didn’t it snow last week in Cleveland?
well, we have been hearing about global warming since the early 90’s and I haven’t noticed much difference in our climate. that’s the real reason people doubt it, it’s like crying wolf too many times.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:30:59am |
re: #379 DrTesla
I don’t see what is “bigoted” about simply suggesting gays are not eligible for marriage benefits.
Worst troll ever.
even if republicans were to flip on gay marriage, would that matter to voters given Democrats staked out the pro-gay marriage position first? Given the fact liberals say we are bigots, it will just look like a political and cynical move if we flip on it, just doing it to re-brand ourselves is what Democrats will say. We really can’t win on the issue now.
I know, it’s just so UNFAIR isn’t it! I cry for the poor bigots.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:36am |
re: #374 Sol Berdinowitz
Those are not scientific theories, they are matters of religious doctrine. Feel free to expose yourself to them in Sunday school or in your Bible study group.
But they have nothing to do with science and even comparing them with science is highly misleading.
ok, i think we are making too big of a deal out of high school science class. the kids interested in science will major in that when they go to college and I’m sure they will get all the evolution theory that can handle if that is their thing. i’m not proposing that creationism must be taught in high school, i just don’t think it will bend of the world if it is.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:33:28am |
re: #384 Shvaughn
Worst troll ever.
I know, it’s just so UNFAIR isn’t it! I cry for the poor bigots.
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lol, you are exaggerated my statement there. I’m just saying Republicans won’t be “forgiven” by the people who care about that issue, so we can’t win politically on it even if we become more ‘inclusive”. i think you are kind of proving my point but i repsect your passion on it.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:35:10am |
re: #386 DrTesla
lol, you are exaggerated my statement there. I’m just saying Republicans won’t be “forgiven” by the people who care about that issue, so we can’t win politically on it even if we become more ‘inclusive”.
It must suck to be on the wrong side of history.
Poor, poor bigots. Nobody will love them if they stop being bigots, so they might as well go on with their bigotry, right?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:00am |
i thought I remembered some liberals beating up on Obama for not stressing global warming. He did talk about Green Jobs a lot so I guess that is really the same thing. i think Gore and Kerry talked about it a lot more but maybe it’s a perception thing.
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:36am |
re: #385 DrTesla
ok, i think we are making too big of a deal out of high school science class. the kids interested in science will major in that when they go to college and I’m sure they will get all the evolution theory that can handle if that is their thing. i’m not proposing that creationism must be taught in high school, i just don’t think it will bend of the world if it is.
So we teach high school students that they can either believe in the scientific method and in the idea of testable theories that lead to provable fact…or we teach them that taking things on faith is sufficient if you believe in it hard enough. That “It just happened” is scientifically plausible and should be viewed as an alternative to decades of research and experimentation.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:37:51am |
re: #387 Shvaughn
It must suck to be on the wrong side of history.
Poor, poor bigots. Nobody will love them if they stop being bigots, so they might as well go on with their bigotry, right?
well, what i’m saying is if there is no forgiveness out there what is the incentive for the GOP to change. i think we more or less agree on this.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:40:31am |
re: #389 Targetpractice
So we teach high school students that they can either believe in the scientific method and in the idea of testable theories that lead to provable fact…or we teach them that taking things on faith is sufficient if you believe in it hard enough. That “It just happened” is scientifically plausible and should be viewed as an alternative to decades of research and experimentation.
well people can counter that evolution is not a proven theory, and I think that is a legit criticism, so why is it taught in the classroom. i think it is something for local school boards to figure out with the parents. my main interest in it is more as to why some liberals act like it is an important issue at the national level. i just don’t see republican pols talking about it. maybe somebody like Santorum but Santorum is kind of atypical.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:40:40am |
re: #390 DrTesla
well, what i’m saying is if there is no forgiveness out there what is the incentive for the GOP to change.
Somehow it’s the Democrats’ and/or gay folks’ fault that the Republican party is not willing to do the right thing with regards to LGBT people. Cuz they won’t get thanked enough if they do it, right?
You’re ridiculous, and a bad troll.
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:40:56am |
re: #390 DrTesla
well, what i’m saying is if there is no forgiveness out there what is the incentive for the GOP to change. i think we more or less agree on this.
Does there have to be some incentive for the GOP to change? What incentive is there to catering to an increasingly smaller portion of the voting population?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:41:50am |
re: #379 DrTesla
i don’t think governemnt perks for marriage are really about rewarding couples for being in love and having sex with each other, are they?
My mother’s current marriage came after she had a full hysterectomy including the removal of both ovaries. She couldn’t produce another child even using a surrogate.
I think government should get out of the marriage business.
This position is the refuge of scoundrels that never held it until they saw same sex marriage on the verge of Supreme Court approval.
i don’t know, i haven’t studies gay marriage that much so maybe I miss something in their argument.
What you’re missing is the equal protection clause of the fourteenth amendment.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:43:50am |
Wondering why trolls always show up in the middle of the night.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:44:27am |
re: #395 Charles Johnson
Wondering why trolls always show up in the middle of the night.
Heya Charles!
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:44:44am |
re: #395 Charles Johnson
Wondering why trolls always show up in the middle of the night.
Because you should be asleep.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:27am |
re: #392 Shvaughn
Somehow it’s the Democrats’ and/or gay folks’ fault that the Republican party is not willing to do the right thing with regards to LGBT people. Cuz they won’t get thanked enough if they do it, right?
You’re ridiculous, and a bad troll.
well, the paradox is Bull Connor was the best thing that ever happened to black’s civil rights movement back in the day. Spraying down tthose black people was the image that sealed public support for civil rights.
You could say we Republicans are to gay marriage rights as BUll Connor was to black civil rights. In other words, kind of the heroes in a weird sort of way. LOL
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:05am |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:14am |
Here’s an incentive for the GOP to come around on gay marriage, it’s better to be on the wrong side of history for a little while than to bitterly cling to an unprincipled, bigoted position forever out of sheer spite and lack of foresight.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:40am |
re: #395 Charles Johnson
Wondering why trolls always show up in the middle of the night.
man, do you really consider me a troll? Geez, i couldn’t be more polite. i’m getting hammered here too for no reason.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:48:37am |
Well, you guys seem to be having fun with this moron, but the Bull Connor comments are getting really close to the line.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:49:57am |
re: #402 Charles Johnson
Well, you guys seem to be having fun with this moron, but the Bull Connor comments are getting really close to the line.
I think he crossed it when he decided that Sandra Fluke is a bimbo who needs to get a real job.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:50:27am |
re: #402 Charles Johnson
Well, you guys seem to be having fun with this moron, but the Bull Connor comments are getting really close to the line.
well, that is actually a quote by a black guy about Bull Conor. i don’t think Republicans equal Bull Conor re: gay marriage though. it was a poorly constructed joke, i’ll admit.
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:50:29am |
re: #391 DrTesla
well people can counter that evolution is not a proven theory, and I think that is a legit criticism, so why is it taught in the classroom. i think it is something for local school boards to figure out with the parents. my main interest in it is more as to why some liberals act like it is an important issue at the national level. i just don’t see republican pols talking about it. maybe somebody like Santorum but Santorum is kind of atypical.
“Theory” in science is a far different word from other fields. In science, a theory is a hypothesis that has been tested and found to be verifiable. It has withstood decades of rigorous examination and testing and not yet been proven false. Intelligent design devotees like to sniff at the labeling of evolution as a “theory” because they play on the common understanding of the word’s definition to convince people that it’s at best a guess and at worst an absolute fabrication.
The first duty of science is to the truth, not to populism. If parents don’t like the idea that God is not being given a place in the science classrooms, then they can take their children out of public school and send them to the seminary school of their choice. And if you don’t think it’s a major cause for Republicans, then check out guys like Bobby Jindal and “school choice.”
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:51:44am |
re: #398 DrTesla
I wish more GOP voters were “an hero”.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:52:27am |
re: #403 Shvaughn
I think he crossed it when he decided that Sandra Fluke is a bimbo who needs to get a real job.
lol, i think people both liberal and conservative are too sensitive these days. people call other people “stupid” in political commentary all the time. why make it a big deal.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:54:00am |
re: #405 Targetpractice
And if you don’t think it’s a major cause for Republicans, then check out guys like Bobby Jindal and “school choice.”
Hell, it’s even in the Republican party platform for 2012:
Education is much more than schooling. It is the whole range of activities by which families and communities transmit to a younger generation, not just knowledge and skills, but ethical and behavioral norms and traditions. It is the handing over of a personal and cultural identity. That is why education choice has expanded so vigorously. It is also why American education has, for the last several decades, been the focus of constant controversy, as centralizing forces outside the family and community have sought to remake education in order to remake America. They have not succeeded, but they have done immense damage.
That whole paragraph is a mass of butthurt at the secularization of public schools and teaching of science.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:54:41am |
Wow, what a cavalcade of dim-witted wingnut talking points. I think this one hit every single stupid right wing meme in existence.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:34am |
re: #409 Charles Johnson
Wow, what a cavalcade of dim-witted wingnut talking points. I think this one hit every single stupid right wing meme in existence.
Yeah, I wonder if he’s cribbing from a list or something. He started off defending Malkin from you, then moved straight into Benghazi.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:56:01am |
well guys, i’m need to get some beauty sleep and it’s exhausting being slapped around like a rag doll for this long on a comment board. you guys are tough.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:06am |
re: #409 Charles Johnson
Wow, what a cavalcade of dim-witted wingnut talking points. I think this one hit every single stupid right wing meme in existence.
well i’d like to talk to you about it some day if you have time. hwo can you be friends with VDH though, i think he agrees with me at least in general, he is no doubt more articulate.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:30am |
Needs to address affirmative action and/or cultural relativism before we have a wingnut bingo.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:50am |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:59:11am |
We could also get there through a hearty anti United Nations tirade or just an Agenda 21 reference.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:59:21am |
re: #411 DrTesla
well guys, i’m need to get some beauty sleep and it’s exhausting being slapped around like a rag doll for this long on a comment board. you guys are tough.
I notice that you’re scurrying away like a cockroach now the the man with a can of Raid is here.
Willfully ignorant coward…
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:59:29am |
i didn’t defend Malkin, I asked what happened in Mr. Johnson’s relationship with Malking b/c at one point they were friends based on some old posts that I read from 5 years ago. he was worrired about her safety and what not, and he and Allahpundit were best friends. i was curios what happened, politics doesn’t mean you ahve to be enemies. life is too short for that.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:00:37am |
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:01:42am |
re: #419 Charles Johnson
I should have known.
It’s almost impressive how determinedly ignorant they are. Less self-awareness than a parrot.
Mr. Johnson i actually enjoy your blog, for what is worth. i try to expose myself to different ideas.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:02:35am |
I’m just a caveman, your Honor…your world frightens and confuses me!
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freetoken Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:03:35am |
re: #395 Charles Johnson
Wondering why trolls always show up in the middle of the night.
Because they turn to stone in the sun light.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:03:40am |
re: #420 DrTesla
Mr. Johnson i actually enjoy your blog, for what is worth. i try to expose myself to different ideas.
Now I know you’re lying, because you show no sign of having ever read this blog. Every stupid right-wing talking point you’ve brought up has been refuted in repeated front-page posts. And yet you feign ignorance, as if you had no idea that you’d get downdinged for backing Rush Limbaugh’s attacks on Sandra Fluke or prattling on about Benghazi.
Terrible troll.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:03:51am |
re: #418 DrTesla
i didn’t defend Malkin, I asked what happened in Mr. Johnson’s relationship with Malking b/c at one point they were friends based on some old posts that I read from 5 years ago. he was worrired about her safety and what not, and he and Allahpundit were best friends. i was curios what happened, politics doesn’t mean you ahve to be enemies. life is too short for that.
What happened, in part, is that Barack Obama was elected President.
Charles (and a lot of us Lizards who remain from those days) started questioning the RW’s bullshit and the rapid mainstreaming of bigotry and outright racism from a lot of folks in the GOP; from those days forth, the RWNJs declared Charles and those like him sworn enemies, to be defeated and crushed by any means necessary.
But, like poor marksmen, they (just like you) keep missing the target…
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:07:07am |
re: #423 Shvaughn
Now I know you’re lying, because you show no sign of having ever read this blog. Every stupid right-wing talking point you’ve brought up has been refuted in repeated front-page posts. And yet you feign ignorance, as if you had no idea that you’d get downdinged for backing Rush Limbaugh’s attacks on Sandra Fluke or prattling on about Benghazi.
Terrible troll.
well i said that rush got carried away but he was riffing on live radio and sometiems you can be harsher than you want to be when during humor. Rush isn’t a politician, it’s a radio show, but people act like he is supposed to be a saint which i think is weird. you don’t see conservatives complaining about bill maher or jon stewart or other liberals who do satire, we understand it’s humor and supposed to be a little edgy.
i’ve read this blog off and on since 2004 or so when he broke the Dan Rather stuff.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:08:38am |
re: #425 DrTesla
well i said that rush got carried away but he was riffing on live radio and sometiems you can be harsher than you want to be when during humor. Rush isn’t a politician, it’s a radio show, but people act like he is supposed to be a saint which i think is weird. you don’t see conservatives complaining about bill maher or jon stewart or other liberals who do satire, we understand it’s humor and supposed to be a little edgy.
i’ve read this blog off and on since 2004 or so when he broke the Dan Rather stuff.
Now I know you’re definitely full of shit.
I don’t need to backtrack upthread to learn that.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:08:51am |
Charles, why ARE you up? It’s 1 a.m. here in So Cal.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:10:43am |
re: #427 AlexRogan
Now I know you’re full of shit.
well i think rush has been flogged enough for that now, but I think most people have said a joke or something that was probably in poor taste but it’s not really some great crime against humanity. Maybe I’m more forgiving than most?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:10:51am |
re: #428 Shvaughn
Just finished watching a movie, and noticed a bunch of reports about this knucklehead.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:11:56am |
re: #430 Charles Johnson
Just finished watching a movie, and noticed a bunch of reports about this knucklehead.
A bunch of us were kind of bored on a Sunday night and decided to play with him a little until you showed up. Hope you enjoyed your movie!
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:17:10am |
re: #424 AlexRogan
What happened, in part, is that Barack Obama was elected President.
Charles (and a lot of us Lizards who remain from those days) started questioning the RW’s bullshit and the rapid mainstreaming of bigotry and outright racism from a lot of folks in the GOP; from those days forth, the RWNJs declared Charles and those like him sworn enemies, to be defeated and crushed by any means necessary.
But, like poor marksmen, they (just like you) keep missing the target…
even guys like allahpundit? he seems prety laid back and even some what moderate?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:18:34am |
for those who watch Walking Dead, are they still cranking out new episodes? I thought the season ended in December for some reason.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:20:05am |
re: #433 DrTesla
for those who watch Walking Dead, are they still cranking out new episodes? I thought the season ended in December for some reason.
All of this season’s episodes have been in the can for months, AFAIK; they just split the airings up, half last fall, the other half now.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:20:11am |
I’m just downdinging this guy for fun now. Maybe I should stop and do something more productive with my time.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:21:43am |
re: #434 AlexRogan
All of this season’s episodes have been in the can for months, AFAIK; they just split the airings up, half last fall, the other half now.
Same thing with Breaking Bad, though the remainder of their last season won’t air until the summer; however, I do believe that they’re shooting the last block of episodes in ABQ right now.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:22:31am |
re: #435 Shvaughn
I’m just downdinging this guy for fun now. Maybe I should stop and do something more productive with my time.
Don’t dogpile on Dr. T, he does not get rude personal, I just find his views on nearly everything flawed.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:28:36am |
re: #432 DrTesla
even guys like allahpundit? he seems prety laid back and even some what moderate?
If you think that AP is “moderate”, I’d think that you’re sorely mistaken, though he has had a couple of episodes of buyer’s remorse as of late in dealing with the bigots and racists among his own blog’s membership; otherwise, he’s still on the crazy train with Malkin, Geller, Spencer, and the rest, AFAIK.
A little factoid: Charles built AP’s website way back when (IIRC) and he was also a co-founder of Pajamas Media, so that ought to tell you something about how things used to be, before the ‘anti-jihadists’ and ‘conservatives’ in the RW blogosphere fully unmasked themselves and Charles told them to shove it.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:42:29am |
re: #429 DrTesla
well i think rush has been flogged enough for that now, but I think most people have said a joke or something that was probably in poor taste but it’s not really some great crime against humanity. Maybe I’m more forgiving than most?
Rush has made a career out of poor taste (‘femi-Nazis’ or what he said about Chelsea Clinton, anyone?), because he’s found that it sells and sells very well.
The shit he said about Fluke, for example, wasn’t a one-off or a mistake, it was (and still is) SOP for him and red meat for his die-hard Dittoheads.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:43:15am |
re: #438 AlexRogan
There used to be intelligent and balanced conservative commentary out there. LGF was part of that. But the rest all went off the rails, Charles resisted it and has become an apostate.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:44:22am |
re: #440 Sol Berdinowitz
There used to be intelligent and balanced conservative commentary out there. LGF was part of that. But the rest all went off the rails, Charles resisted it and has become an apostate.
Yeah, pretty much this.
However, let’s not forget that, prior to the schism between Charles and pretty much the rest of the RW blogosphere, there was some pretty greasy shit being posted by some former Lizards, a lot of it simply because Charles couldn’t police every thread all of the time and take out the trash in a timely manner.
With Charles’ mad coding skills, that’s changed a lot over the past few years.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:44:28am |
re: #439 AlexRogan
Rush has made a career out of poor taste (‘femi-Nazis’ or what he said about Chelsea Clinton, anyone?), because he’s found that it sells and sells very well.
The shit he said about Fluke, for example, wasn’t a one-off or a mistake, it was SOP for him and red meat for his die-hard Dittoheads.
I am certain that it did a lot to motivate women to get out and vote for for the Democrats because they saw contrceptive choice under threat from the GOP.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:47:12am |
re: #438 AlexRogan
If you think that AP is “moderate”, I’d think that you’re sorely mistaken, though he has had a couple of episodes of buyer’s remorse as of late in dealing with the bigots and racists among his own blog’s membership; otherwise, he’s still on the crazy train with Malkin, Geller, Spencer, and the rest, AFAIK.
A little factoid: Charles built AP’s website way back when (IIRC) and he was also a co-founder of Pajamas Media, so that ought to tell you something about how things used to be, before the ‘anti-jihadists’ and ‘conservatives’ in the RW blogosphere fully unmasked themselves and Charles told them to shove it.
well most conservatives don’t know who Gellar, Spencer, AFAIK are.
i think that i only recently came upon Gellar and her blog was a bit confusing to me. i couldn’t figure out what she was talking about.
i don’t see anything wrong with being anti-jihadist although it seems like more of the domain of the military and the CIA to deal with.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:49:28am |
re: #439 AlexRogan
Rush has made a career out of poor taste (‘femi-Nazis’ or what he said about Chelsea Clinton, anyone?), because he’s found that it sells and sells very well.
The shit he said about Fluke, for example, wasn’t a one-off or a mistake, it was (and still is) SOP for him and red meat for his die-hard Dittoheads.
well i thought it was pretty funny but i laugh at anything, to be honest. i dont know why liberals want to make Fluke their poster girl though. I don’t think birth control costs are really a pressing issue given everything going on with the economy and spending and debt and riots overseas.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:50:15am |
re: #443 DrTesla
i think that i only recently came upon Gellar and her blog was a bit confusing to me. i couldn’t figure out what she was talking about.
LOL, you’ve been reading LGF since 2004 and you just recently “came upon” Pam Geller.
Tell us another one.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:50:59am |
re: #443 DrTesla
well most conservatives don’t know who Gellar, Spencer, AFAIK are.
i think that i only recently came upon Gellar and her blog was a bit confusing to me. i couldn’t figure out what she was talking about.i don’t see anything wrong with being anti-jihadist although it seems like more of the domain of the military and the CIA to deal with.
No normal person can make sense of her.
I am also anti-jihadist in the sense of being against the spread of fundamentalist Islam, but for Geller and her ilk, “anti-jihad” has come to mean “knee-jerk reaction against anything to do with Islam and Muslims”
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:54:19am |
re: #440 Sol Berdinowitz
There used to be intelligent and balanced conservative commentary out there. LGF was part of that. But the rest all went off the rails, Charles resisted it and has become an apostate.
well to be honest, it is hard to believe he was ever a conservative. he skewers conservatives like i have seen few liberals do. i would say he and bill maher probably slap us around the most. that’s why i think it is interesting he used to have friendships with people like michelle malkin. it does’nt seem possible now.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:56:13am |
re: #444 DrTesla
well i thought it was pretty funny but i laugh at anything, to be honest. i dont know why liberals want to make Fluke their poster girl though. I don’t think birth control costs are really a pressing issue given everything going on with the economy and spending and debt and riots overseas.
Because Rush and the rest of the RWNJ media noise machine/blogosphere flat-out fucking lied about Fluke, what she actually said, and the circumstances in which she said it.
Don’t need to be a “liberal” to understand the difference between patently obvious lies and the facts.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:56:54am |
re: #445 Shvaughn
LOL, you’ve been reading LGF since 2004 and you just recently “came upon” Pam Geller.
Tell us another one.
i read a lot of political blogs, i had no idea who she is. i look more at stuff like hotair, ace of spades, national review, more mainstream kind of stuff.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:58:17am |
re: #447 DrTesla
well to be honest, it is hard to believe he was ever a conservative. he skewers conservatives like i have seen few liberals do. i would say he and bill maher probably slap us around the most. that’s why i think it is interesting he used to have friendships with people like michelle malkin. it does’nt seem possible now.
If you were around on this site five years ago, you might see that differenetly. It used to be rather conservative, I joined up to argue with folks like you, ones who were conservative but not rude and abusive.
Charles officially renounced the modern conservative movement not long after they really went off the rails in over-reactin to Obama.
I mean, you can disagree with his politics, policies and personnel choices all you want, but spare Obama is a Kenyan/Muslim/Manchurian candidate/Socialist/Comunist/Fascist crap.
Not to mention the thinly veiled (or often overtly) racist references to his ethnic origins and his family.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:00:53am |
re: #447 DrTesla
well to be honest, it is hard to believe he was ever a conservative. he skewers conservatives like i have seen few liberals do. i would say he and bill maher probably slap us around the most. that’s why i think it is interesting he used to have friendships with people like michelle malkin. it does’nt seem possible now.
Umm, Charles can correct me if necessary, but he’s never been a “conservative” himself and has said so quite a few times.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:04:14am |
re: #449 DrTesla
Something’s still not passing the sniff test here…
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:04:41am |
re: #450 Sol Berdinowitz
If you were around on this site five years ago, you might see that differenetly. It used to be rather conservative, I joined up to argue with folks like you, ones who were conservative but not rude and abusive.
Charles officially renounced the modern conservative movement not long after they really went off the rails in over-reactin to Obama.
I mean, you can disagree with his politics, policies and personnel choices all you want, but spare Obama is a Kenyan/Muslim/Manchurian candidate/Socialist/Comunist/Fascist crap.
Not to mention the thinly veiled (or often overtly) racist references to his ethnic origins and his family.
well maybe i’m not looking at same stuff as you but i never seen any conservative talking about him being a muslim or kenyan. I’m not sure why it’s extreme to say Obama is a socialist though, i think that his politics are equal to an european socialist. the word means the same thing as liberal to me. i do think a lot of liberals would be birthers and all of the media would be if Obama was a republican b/c he does have an usual background. i don’t agree the birthers are racist as i see some liberal assert. it’s wishful thinking more than anything.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:06:07am |
re: #451 AlexRogan
But he did consider radical Islam more of a threat than “right wing nutjobs.”
I never considered him a conservative nor did I think about it that much. But his focus did shift after November 2008.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:08:48am |
re: #451 AlexRogan
Umm, Charles can correct me if necessary, but he’s never been a “conservative” himself and has said so quite a few times.
well he was right leaning for awhile i think, if not conservative.
whatever his politics, i will always view hiim as Dan Rather slayer. LOL
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:09:05am |
re: #454 EdDantes
But he did consider radical Islam more of a threat than “right wing nutjobs.”
I never considered him a conservative nor did I think about it that much. But his focus did shift after November 2008.
Right…he sided with ‘conservatives’ as far as stopping the spread of radical Islam went, but as they went further off the rails, Charles basically said “no way” and let them have it.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:09:33am |
re: #451 AlexRogan
Umm, Charles can correct me if necessary, but he’s never been a “conservative” himself and has said so quite a few times.
Charles is what he is, but the site was almost considered a ‘hate site’ by bloggers at all to the left of dKos. Kilgore’s anti-Tea Party drumbeat was the first big sign of the turnaround, completed by Charles “Why I’m Not a RWNJ”. That buys KT a lot of grace for his OWS contrarianism.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:14:18am |
re: #457 Decatur Deb
Charles is what he is, but the site was almost considered a ‘hate site’ by bloggers at all to the left of dKos. Kilgore’s anti-Tea Party drumbeat was the first big sign of the turnaround, completed by Charles “Why I’m Not a RWNJ”. That buys KT a lot of grace for his OWS contrarianism.
Maybe so…a lot of that also has to do with the Great Lizard Exodus as well.
As far as KT’s concerned, his well of grace ran dry with me a long time ago; he’s become such a one-trick pony over OWS and related subjects.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:16:58am |
re: #453 DrTesla
well maybe i’m not looking at same stuff as you but i never seen any conservative talking about him being a muslim or kenyan. I’m not sure why it’s extreme to say Obama is a socialist though, i think that his politics are equal to an european socialist. the word means the same thing as liberal to me. i do think a lot of liberals would be birthers and all of the media would be if Obama was a republican b/c he does have an usual background. i don’t agree the birthers are racist as i see some liberal assert. it’s wishful thinking more than anything.
I a gree, Donald Trump is not a conservative, he is a taxidermist’s display stand
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:18:08am |
Former Bush aide: Palin ‘wasn’t competent enough’ for Fox News
“If I were CPAC, I would have invited Christie and let him say what he wanted on guns or anything else,” Gigot insisted. “And if you disagree with him, boo him or what have you. But this is a time that the Republican Party needs to have a debate, and a pretty raucous debate.”
“CPAC, to me, has totally diminished its credibility as an organization,” Dowd agreed. “And you invite Sarah Palin, who wasn’t competent enough to keep a Fox News contract? But she’s invited to CPAC meeting?”
Democratic strategist James Carville, however, welcomed the CPAC move as something that could help Democrats by elevating fringe elements in the Republican Party.
“Any day that you have more Sarah Palin and less Chris Christie is a good day for James Carville,” he quipped. “I’m all for it!”
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:20:58am |
re: #458 AlexRogan
Maybe so…a lot of that also has to do with the Great Lizard Exodus as well.
As far as KT’s concerned, his well of grace ran dry with me a long time ago; he’s become such a one-trick pony over OWS and related subjects.
I’m thinking about the tone of the joint in the year before and after the 2008 election. Quoting dKos or SPLC would start a wolfpack, and we had several marginal personalities that migrated to the stalker sites. (The shame is that they took some enjoyable, salvageable, Lizards with them.) It’s hard to believe we fostered Zombie, who was little more than a still-photography version of James O’Keefe.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:22:40am |
re: #459 Sol Berdinowitz
I a gree, Donald Trump is not a conservative, he is a taxidermist’s display stand
trump used to bash Bush all the time and he’s donated a lot of money to Democrats in the past. if i’m not mistaken he started out liking Obama, may have even supported him in 2008.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:24:16am |
re: #462 DrTesla
trump used to bash Bush all the time and he’s donated a lot of money to Democrats in the past. if i’m not mistaken he started out liking Obama, may have even supported him in 2008.
Have you been living under his wig as well? He is the poster child of the birther movement.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:25:50am |
re: #460 Kragar (Antichrist )
Former Bush aide: Palin ‘wasn’t competent enough’ for Fox News
i think Carville and democrats are intellectually dishonest about Christie. he will be blasting Christie if he is our nominee in 2016.
i can’t see democrats embracing the Democratic version of Christie who agreed with Republicans on 8 out of 10 issues and went out of his way to pander to Republican voters and embraced a Republican president a few weeks from an election.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:27:01am |
re: #463 Sol Berdinowitz
Have you been living under his wig as well? He is the poster child of the birther movement.
birtherism and conservatism aren’t related. you are conflating the two on purpose. Trump isn’t a conservative, never has been.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:27:26am |
re: #462 DrTesla
trump used to bash Bush all the time and he’s donated a lot of money to Democrats in the past. if i’m not mistaken he started out liking Obama, may have even supported him in 2008.
I don’t remember if Trump supported Obama in ‘08, but he took the bait last year and went with the birthers demanding a birth certificate. When it was proffered he backed off and went away.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:28:41am |
re: #465 DrTesla
birtherism and conservatism aren’t related. you are conflating the two on purpose. Trump isn’t a conservative, never has been.
Not everyone fits on the spectrum. He’s basically a fuck who is rich enough to be eccentric instead of crazy.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:29:14am |
re: #466 EdDantes
I don’t remember if Trump supported Obama in ‘08, but he took the bait last year and went with the birthers demanding a birth certificate. When it was proffered he backed off and went away.
why didn’t Obama just cough up the long form birth certificate right away? just seems like a lot of the drama was avoidable but may that is what he wanted.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:30:44am |
dang it’s late, i need to hit the hay, enjoyed our discussions
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:30:57am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:31:03am |
re: #468 DrTesla
why didn’t Obama just cough up the long form birth certificate right away? just seems like a lot of the drama was avoidable but may that is what he wanted.
Seems to have had fun with it, and in electoral terms it might have helped.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:32:07am |
re: #468 DrTesla
why didn’t Obama just cough up the long form birth certificate right away? just seems like a lot of the drama was avoidable but may that is what he wanted.
He might have wanted the drama but I don’t know. In any case Trump went for it and looked foolish.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:34:17am |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:36:42am |
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:38:27am |
re: #476 Decatur Deb
Bullshit. It’s early—just starting the second pot.
You must be on he east coast of the land I like to call “America!”
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:39:34am |
re: #477 EdDantes
You must be on he east coast of the land I like to call “America!”
East end, almost the ‘third coast’, the Gulf.
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AlexRogan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:45:38am |
re: #461 Decatur Deb
I’m thinking about the tone of the joint in the year before and after the 2008 election. Quoting dKos or SPLC would start a wolfpack, and we had several marginal personalities that migrated to the stalker sites. (The shame is that they took some enjoyable, salvageable, Lizards with them.) It’s hard to believe we fostered Zombie, who was little more than a still-photography version of James O’Keefe.
Got you…totally agree with that assessment.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:46:54am |
re: #478 Decatur Deb
East end, almost the ‘third coast’, the Gulf.
I am in Bakersfield, Ca. If Florida (according to Homer Simpson) is America’s penis, I am in America’s poop chute.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:02:55am |
re: #480 EdDantes
Ah. Haven’t seen you in a while, the other guy with a nose art avatar. What is your link to the Strawberry Bitch?
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:10:50am |
re: #481 Decatur Deb
Ah. Haven’t seen you in a while, the other guy with a nose art avatar. What is your link to the Strawberry Bitch?
I have a polaroid of me when I was 14 taken at the Wright-Pat Af museum standing in front of the B-24 bomber. I was inspired by the Decatur Deb to use it as my avatar.
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EdDantes Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:13:24am |
re: #482 EdDantes
I have a polaroid of me when I was 14 taken at the Wright-Pat Af museum standing in front of the B-24 bomber. I was inspired by the Decatur Deb to use it as my avatar.
Holy shit. That was 44 years ago!
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:19:03am |
re: #482 EdDantes
Cool. I did two weeks TDY at Wright-Patterson, but never got loose to go to the museum. (Googling it finds a story that it is one of the museum’s ‘haunted’ planes.)
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wheat-dogghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:33:22am |
Wow. Finished my work day to read through the comments here.
DrTesla is a mechanical engineer (or so he alleges) whose prose style never advanced past the 7th grade, and whose ability at logic makes me worry what SNAFUs he has designed in the past.
Gah!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:24:54am |
Wow, what a fucking idiot that guy was.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:30:26am |
re: #183 DrTesla
well no use in rehashing the Libya thing, it doesn’t appear voters cared much about it, or the economy. Obama is a fortunate prizzy. I can’t see a Republican surviving either one of those.
STOP SAYING PRIZZY. WTF is that? Downding for being obnoxious.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:40:48am |
re: #489 Vicious Babushka
STOP SAYING PRIZZY. WTF is that? Downding for being obnoxious.
He’s almost certainly just a troll, so I’m betting he revels in the negative attention. I don’t get people like that.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:41:02am |
re: #338 engineer cat
well, i’m a software engineer, and i get put through the fucking mill technically on job interviews
“so, ok, suppose we start out writing a recursive version of fibonacci. not too hard, right? okay, what is the runtime complexity - the big O? N to the N. why is that? (demonstrate why recursive fibonacci is n to the n, a really radical horrible runtime, by drawing the beginning of the recursion tree on the whiteboard) okay, what do we do about it? dynamic programming, that’s right. can you name some other dynamic programming algorithms you are familiar with? levenshtein distance? the really clever dynamic programming solution to the knapsack problem?”
been asked that one a few times
I get asked about my proficiency with asp.NET applications, SQL server queries and which statistical algorithms I have used for plotting trend charts, control charts, trend lines and service levels.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:43:22am |
re: #347 DrTesla
the thing about Fluke is the costs of attending Georgetown are staggering but she is up there talking about the costs of her birth control, which are going to be a tiny fraction of her tuition and living costs at Georgetown, even if we give her the seemingly bogus figure of 3000 bucks in 3 years on inexpensive birth control.
SANDRA FLUKE DID NOT SAY ONE WORD ABOUT HER OWN SEX LIFE OR THE COST OF HER PERSONAL BIRTH CONTROL. NOT ONE FUCKING WORD.
Is it gone?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:49:27am |
re: #492 Vicious Babushka
He’s not blocked yet.
It is kind of refreshing to see very nutjob right wing talking point lined up in a row and knocked down.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:56:31am |
TEH DERP BEGINS EARLY
Watched 1st episode of The Bible last night; you’d never know the sin of Sodom was homosexuality. Afraid of gay lobby.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) March 4, 2013
Uh Bryan have you ever actually READ the Bible? The sin of Sodom was cruelty to the poor and strangers and Ayn Randy economic policy, not Teh Ghey.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:05:13am |
Why am I totally not surprised that Bryan has never even read the Bible that he professes to worship?
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:10:45am |
Obama To Make Personnel Announcement At 10:15 AM ETObama is expected to tap Walmart’s Sylvia Mathews Burwell as his next budget director, according to the Associated Press. The AP also reported early Monday that Obama will nominate MIT scientist Ernest Moniz to head the Energy Department and Gina McCarthy to run the EPA.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:12:10am |
re: #497 dragonath
I’m not thrilled about a Walmart executive as Budget Director. Their business model is Soak the Poor.
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wheat-dogghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:13:36am |
re: #496 Vicious Babushka
He has the special “Gays Are Evil, the Bible Sez So” version.
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:14:31am |
re: #498 Vicious Babushka
Moniz is considered pro-fracking, too. Both these guys come from the Clinton Administration.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:16:09am |
re: #499 wheat-dogghazi
He has the special “Gays Are Evil, the Bible Sez So” version.
Leviticus lists a number of various sex acts which are forbidden, including 2 men having sex “like a man and a woman” as well as different type of incest. I wonder why Bryan only rants against “Teh Ghey” and not against any of the other forbidden sex acts.
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:17:49am |
Energy-efficiency program killed in Louisiana
The Louisiana Public Service Commission had voted 3-2 to in December to approve an energy-efficiency program. Money raised from a new fee on electricity sales would be funneled back to customers in the form of energy-saving subsidies. But then longtime board member Jimmy Field, a supporter of the program, retired from the commission. He was replaced by Scott Angelle, Gov. Bobby Jindal’s former natural resources secretary.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:21:52am |
re: #364 engineer cat
an electrical engineer, a manager, and a software engineer are on a road trip to a conference when they lose control of their car at the top of a hill and crash
the manager says “let’s hold a quality circle, work smarter and not harder, and converge on a solution”
the electrical engineer says “oh hell just give me some copper wire and a screwdriver and i’ll have it fixed in five minutes”
the software engineer says “um, can we push it back up to the top of the hill and see if it does the same thing every time?”
The automotive engineer says “have there been any aftermarket modifications to the vehicle that would void the warranty?”
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Decatur Deb Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:24:03am |
re: #498 Vicious Babushka
I’m not thrilled about a Walmart executive as Budget Director. Their business model is Soak the Poor.
The Prez could be a good bit more
Socialist !!1!
for my comfort.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:28:57am |
re: #500 dragonath
Moniz is considered pro-fracking, too. Both these guys come from the Clinton Administration.
Who considers him pro-fracking?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:29:59am |
And Gina McCarthy is a great pick.
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Lidane Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:33:40am |
Your Monday morning derp:
I think the Pope is on to something. What ABOUT term limits?#tcot— Fred Thompson (@fredthompson) March 4, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:34:26am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:35:32am |
Oh I see, it’s because of the report produced by the MIT energy initiative, that he’s part of.
Well, the good news is the Energy Secretary has fuck-all to do with fracking. But I agree he’s not a green energy wizard and there are much better picks out there. But at least he actively wants to transition us to a low-carbon future.
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Lidane Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:35:57am |
re: #508 Vicious Babushka
Bryan’s Derp beats Fred’s Derp, hands down.
That’s because Fred is a tool. Bryan is the whole damn shed. Heh.
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Lidane Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:36:53am |
Mark Sanford’s pitch to his ex-wife on running his campaign: “I could pay you this time.”politico.com/story/2013/03/…— James Hohmann (@jameshohmann) March 4, 2013
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:37:21am |
re: #511 Lidane
What a freak that guy is.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:38:33am |
The little baby from yesterday’s Williamsburg drunk driving accident has passed away.
I haz a whole bunch of sads.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:39:10am |
Maryland Second Grader Suspended for Packing Pop-Tart
Hemera/Thinkstock(DENVER) — A 7-year-old was suspended from his Baltimore school last Thursday after he was reported for biting his Pop-Tart into a shape his teacher thought was a gun.
According to ABC News affiliate KMGH-TV, Josh Welch claimed he was trying to nibble his strawberry snack into a mountain shape, but a teacher at the second grader’s Park Elementary School saw things differently.
She got “pretty mad,” Welch told KMGH; the boy said he knew he was “in big trouble.”
His dad, B.J. Welch, said of the suspension, “I would almost call it insanity. I mean with all the potential issues that could be dealt with at school — real threats, bullies, whatever the issue is. It’s a pastry.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:42:28am |
re: #514 NJDhockeyfan
The school sent home a letter with every student informing parents that: “A student used food to make an inappropriate gesture.”
Josh, who suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and enjoys art classes, said that his actions were innocent, according to a report in the Daily Mail.
Probably garbage reporting, then.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:49:56am |
re: #515 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Probably garbage reporting, then.
ABC reports garbage?
According to ABC News affiliate KMGH-TV, Josh Welch claimed he was trying to nibble his strawberry snack into a mountain shape, but a teacher at the second grader’s Park Elementary School saw things differently.
She got “pretty mad,” Welch told KMGH; the boy said he knew he was “in big trouble.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:56:08am |
re: #516 NJDhockeyfan
Yes, ABC reports garbage too. And it’s based off of a Daily Mail article, and it only tells the kid’s side of the story. Which is typical Daily Mail reporting.
Did you notice that the article was completely one-sided?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:59:26am |
Heh. Even the Daily Mail article actually has more info:
The school refused to comment due to privacy issues. The boy’s father said the school claimed Josh had said ‘Bang! Bang!’ while holding the pastry, according to Fox News.
They put that at the bottom of the article, and this at the top;
A seven-year-old boy was suspended from school on Thursday after biting his breakfast pastry into a shape that his teacher thought looked like a gun.
Classic Daily Fail.
And it looks like that ABC affiliate runs Sean Hannity, so yeah, they’re obviously not a place that gives a shit about good journalism.
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wheat-dogghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:02:26am |
re: #518 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Also, some teachers have no sense of humor.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:04:29am |
re: #519 wheat-dogghazi
Also, some teachers have no sense of humor.
If the kid actually was waving around his pop-tart and shouting “bang bang”, then I don’t blame any teacher for getting pissed off at him and sending him home. But our school system really blows for hyperactive kids. Just sitting at a desk for an hour can actually be beyond their abilities. But it’s not the teacher’s fault.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:04:48am |
re: #517 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Yes, ABC reports garbage too. And it’s based off of a Daily Mail article, and it only tells the kid’s side of the story. Which is typical Daily Mail reporting.
Did you notice that the article was completely one-sided?
It looks like the kid did talk to the ABC station. Perhaps the kid is real and so is the story. If there is more to the story it will come out. I can understand why the teacher was very concerned based on the rash of attacks with loaded pop tarts lately. I have our pop tarts locked up in a safe to prevent any accidental shooting here at my house.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:04:55am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s heartbreaking to learn that the baby boy whose parents were tragically killed in a horrific hit and run crash over the weekend died overnight. The NYPD has arrested the registered owner of the BMW that struck the Glauber’s livery cab but she wasn’t the driver. She’s been charged with insurance fraud. The whereabouts of the driver is still unknown.
The driver of the livery cab has been released from the hospital and had only minor injuries.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:06:31am |
re: #522 lawhawk
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. It’s heartbreaking to learn that the baby boy whose parents were tragically killed in a horrific hit and run crash over the weekend died overnight. The NYPD has arrested the registered owner of the BMW that struck the Glauber’s livery cab but she wasn’t the driver. She’s been charged with insurance fraud. The whereabouts of the driver is still unknown.
The driver of the livery cab has been released from the hospital and had only minor injuries.
If anything good comes out of this horrific tragedy, maybe people will start fastening their seatbelts in the back seat of a cab.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:07:22am |
re: #521 NJDhockeyfan
It looks like the kid did talk to the ABC station. Perhaps the kid is real and so is the story.
The story is definitely real. It is simply one-sided. The ABC affiliation actually made the story more one-sided and shitty than the Daily Fail, which takes some doing.
If there is more to the story it will come out.
There already was more to the story.
I don’t get why you fall for this stuff over and over. You post a lot of random crap stories that are clearly written in a one-sided fashion to generate outrage.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:08:09am |
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:08:21am |
re: #522 lawhawk
If it’s insurance fraud, does that indicate that she was letting someone other than her kid drive it? I thought your kids were automatically included under an insurance plan, but I really know fuck-all about driving and insurance.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:12:37am |
re: #526 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
If it’s insurance fraud, does that indicate that she was letting someone other than her kid drive it? I thought your kids were automatically included under an insurance plan, but I really know fuck-all about driving and insurance.
If your kids are living at home you can include them in your insurance plan, but the premium will be higher for included drivers under 25.
I’m just speculating here, but the vehicle owner might have claimed the vehicle was stolen.
In the meantime SOMEBODY (probably the vehicle owner) knows who the driver was, and they are protecting that murderous shit.
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darthstar Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:14:21am |
Mornin’ everyone…can’t stay long…need to walk the dogs, drop my sister in law off at the airport…then go to work. First day.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:14:52am |
re: #526 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Good question.
I think you still have to notify the insurance company that your kid is now going to be on the policy. But because it increases your premiums significantly, some people might be inclined not to do so right away, figuring that they can save a few bucks.
Now, there are more questions about the livery cab driver too. Turns out that he shouldn’t have been picking up passengers.
The car-service driver, identified by The Times as Pedro Nuñez Delacruz, was taken to the hospital and released.
Delacruz had a pending application to use the car as a service, known in New York as a livery cab, and should not have been picking up passengers, the city’s Taxi and Limousine Commission told The Times.
So, once the driver of the other vehicle ultimately comes forward/is arrested, there’s not only the charges of leaving the scene of an accident, but the eventual lawsuits against the BMW driver will attempt to pin blame on the livery cab driver.
What a mess.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:15:16am |
re: #507 Lidane
Your Monday morning derp:
Hey Fred, it ain’t term limits the pope was pushing. It’s retirement age.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:20:27am |
re: #529 lawhawk
Good question.
I think you still have to notify the insurance company that your kid is now going to be on the policy. But because it increases your premiums significantly, some people might be inclined not to do so right away, figuring that they can save a few bucks.
Now, there are more questions about the livery cab driver too. Turns out that he shouldn’t have been picking up passengers.
So, once the driver of the other vehicle ultimately comes forward/is arrested, there’s not only the charges of leaving the scene of an accident, but the eventual lawsuits against the BMW driver will attempt to pin blame on the livery cab driver.
What a mess.
I don’t think this couple stood in the street and flagged down a livery cab, they probably called the car service and ordered a cab sent to their house. That’s the way it works.
If the livery driver was picking up passengers while cruising, that’s a different issue.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:21:58am |
re: #526 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
If it’s insurance fraud, does that indicate that she was letting someone other than her kid drive it? I thought your kids were automatically included under an insurance plan, but I really know fuck-all about driving and insurance.
It depends on the terms of the insurance policy as to whether your kids, or anyone, can drive the vehicle and still have the insurance apply.
The thing is that even if you have an “unlisted drivers excluded” clause and are letting others drive, it’s not insurance fraud. It’s violating the terms, which means the insurance company pays zero on the damages and coverages.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:22:04am |
OK I get it now, the livery driver was operating before his license application was finalized.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:22:54am |
re: #531 Vicious Babushka
I am familiar with the way car services work in Brooklyn (having grown up there). The reports seem to indicate that they called for a car service livery cab, since they don’t own a car, to get the wife to the hospital.
The livery cab company may not have known that the driver wasn’t eligible to carry passengers, or ignored the rule that he shouldn’t be driving without the proper certifications. Either way, the investigations will look into that in addition to the other driver.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:23:04am |
re: #532 kirkspencer
It depends on the terms of the insurance policy as to whether your kids, or anyone, can drive the vehicle and still have the insurance apply.
The thing is that even if you have an “unlisted drivers excluded” clause and are letting others drive, it’s not insurance fraud. It’s violating the terms, which means the insurance company pays zero on the damages and coverages.
I think they are sweating the car owner until she gives up the name of the driver.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:23:46am |
re: #521 NJDhockeyfan
Kragar posted this story a while back. I can’t recommend it enough. Once you read it, you’ll understand why:
5 Easy Ways to Spot a B.S. News Story on the Internet
I guarantee that everyone reading this has clicked on, and believed, a bullshit Daily Mail story within the last year. Their website has become the most popular news website in the world, largely because of their talent for getting Americans to forward their bullshit to each other.
…
For instance, they ran an outrageous “crazy ex-girlfriend story” with the headline “Dentist Anna Mackowiak Pulls Out Her Ex-Boyfriend’s Teeth” (they made sure this happened in Poland, to get the “crazy foreigner” aspect in there). The story went viral and was picked up by Fox News, The Los Angeles Times, The San Francisco Chronicle, and The New York Daily News, as well as every fucking news aggregator website on Earth. When somebody finally looked into it and it turned out that none of the people involved actually existed, The Daily Mail said they weren’t quite sure where it came from. That is, one of their reporters just … made it up.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:25:28am |
re: #529 lawhawk
Great, long-protracted lawsuits to keep the tragedy alive in people’s minds. Wonderful.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:31:30am |
re: #524 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
The story is definitely real. It is simply one-sided. The ABC affiliation actually made the story more one-sided and shitty than the Daily Fail, which takes some doing.
According to CBS which did their own story the school refused to comment and there is a disagreement of what happened between the kid and the teacher.
School officials would not comment on the case, citing privacy reasons.
But Josh’s dad says he was told his son also said the words, ‘bang bang’ while holding that breakfast pastry and that constituted a threat.
“I didn’t say bang, bang, I just pointed up at the ceiling.” Josh says.
A letter went home with students which explain the incident where “a student used food to make inappropriate gestures.”
So a kid with ADHD points a pop tart at the ceiling and get suspended. This is from 3 different news outlets. Either it’s true or the journalists got together to come up with this story just to make the school look bad.
It’s a conspiracy!
//
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:32:26am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
According to CBS which did their own story the school refused to comment and there is a disagreement of what happened between the kid and the teacher.
So a kid with ADHD points a pop tart at the ceiling and get suspended. This is from 3 different news outlets. Either it’s true or the journalists got together to come up with this story just to make the school look bad.
It’s a conspiracy!
//
Whatever happened, this is a silly trivial story THAT SHOULD NOT BE FRONT PAGE NEWS.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:33:31am |
re: #538 NJDhockeyfan
So a kid with ADHD points a pop tart at the ceiling and get suspended. This is from 3 different news outlets. Either it’s true or the journalists got together to come up with this story just to make the school look bad.
Or the kid was saying “Bang bang” and being disruptive and this isn’t really a story except that the Daily Mail found a way to spin it into outrage.
What aren’t you getting about this?
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Flounder Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:38:03am |
from that tragedy in Florida comes sinkholes from around the world
[Link: www.timesunion.com…]
Buried in there is a picture of a good looking Al Gore!
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:39:32am |
re: #540 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Or the kid was saying “Bang bang” and being disruptive and this isn’t really a story except that the Daily Mail found a way to spin it into outrage.
What aren’t you getting about this?
Shh. You’re raining on the liberal intolerant teacher outrage narrative.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:42:24am |
re: #540 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Or the kid was saying “Bang bang” and being disruptive and this isn’t really a story except that the Daily Mail found a way to spin it into outrage.
What aren’t you getting about this?
All I did was post the story. I think what the teacher did was fucking stupid. A 7 year old, with ADHD, is sitting there eating a pop tart when the teacher come over, yells at him, and the next thing he knows he suspended. A 7 year old. What is he supposed to think. Did he threaten any one? As far as I can see he pointed his pastry he thought looked like a mountain at the ceiling.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:44:32am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
All I did was post the story. I think what the teacher did was fucking stupid. A 7 year old, with ADHD, is sitting there eating a pop tart when the teacher come over, yells at him, and the next thing he knows he suspended. A 7 year old. What is he supposed to think. Did he threaten any one? As far as I can see he pointed his pastry he thought looked like a mountain at the ceiling.
I think it is a stupid, worthless non-story and does not belong on any news media.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:44:48am |
re: #543 NJDhockeyfan
All I did was post the story. I think what the teacher did was fucking stupid.
You don’t know what the teacher did. You have one side of the story, and even that has been changed around.
These stories are written to get people like you to repost them and get all outraged. It works. What I don’t get is why you fall for it, over, and over, and over, and over.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:46:08am |
DERP. MOST HAV MOAR GUNZ. MOAR GUNZ FOR EVERYTHING.
#SandyHook Board Of Education To Obama: Screw Your #NoGunZone BS, We’re Putting Good Guys w/ Guns In Schools #GunRights #NRA #TGDN #p2 #tcot— Voting Female (@VotingFemale) March 4, 2013
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:47:33am |
IF ONLY THE LIVERY CAB DRIVER HAD A GUN HE COULD SHOOT TEH DRUNK DRIVER!!!!!11111!!!!
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:47:47am |
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:48:09am |
re: #529 lawhawk
Good question.
I think you still have to notify the insurance company that your kid is now going to be on the policy. But because it increases your premiums significantly, some people might be inclined not to do so right away, figuring that they can save a few bucks.
Now, there are more questions about the livery cab driver too. Turns out that he shouldn’t have been picking up passengers.
So, once the driver of the other vehicle ultimately comes forward/is arrested, there’s not only the charges of leaving the scene of an accident, but the eventual lawsuits against the BMW driver will attempt to pin blame on the livery cab driver.
What a mess.
Yes, it’ll be a mess.
The other person they’ll be interested in finding is the passenger of the BMW. That person’s testimony is going to be critical in evaluating the driver’s testimony.
Looking at the damage and overview (warning, diagnosis by video here) it appears the BMW was speeding. The question of drugs and alcohol will remain unanswered.
I also find myself wondering if the BMW’s lights were on. There’s a long-running problem of drivers late at night in areas with lots of street-lights not turning on the headlights - they can see fine, what’s the problem?
I think the fact the driver’s approval wasn’t finalized will be affected by the fact he didn’t pick them up on the street. He responded to a call. He had to show his approval status to the livery company - or at least they have to have records showing all their drivers were licensed (livery and driver) and insured before being put on the call roster. I’d also have to go digging, but I think there’s a gray zone in the process; that you can carry passengers under certain qualifications before the approval is final.
Oh, and I suspect that recordings are still being collected and reviewed. As we discovered in the attempted car-bomb of Times Square, while New York doesn’t have an integrated CCTV, it seems every shop has at least one camera with a view of the street. It is possible quite a bit of the accident will turn out to be recorded - including lead up of what the BMW and the cab were doing for some distance prior to the accident.
It’ll be a mess. It’ll also be interesting to see how it’s resolved.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:49:41am |
re: #546 Vicious Babushka
DERP. MOST HAV MOAR GUNZ. MOAR GUNZ FOR EVERYTHING.
Remember, Good Guys are easily identifiable and never turn out to not be Good Guys.
Except for that sex offender that’s a part of Arpaio’s “posse.”
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:50:03am |
re: #549 kirkspencer
Oh, and I suspect that recordings are still being collected and reviewed. As we discovered in the attempted car-bomb of Times Square, while New York doesn’t have an integrated CCTV, it seems every shop has at least one camera with a view of the street. It is possible quite a bit of the accident will turn out to be recorded - including lead up of what the BMW and the cab were doing for some distance prior to the accident.
Private security cameras is how they caught that horrific child murderer in Borough Park two years ago.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:51:03am |
re: #549 kirkspencer
Some cop friends of mine were talking the other day about how every single camera covering a crime they were investigating was ‘canner’. Stands for CNR, which stands for Camera Not Recording. A lot of the security cameras out there only go to a live feed, with no recording being done. Hopefully there’s some useful footage.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:52:11am |
Checkout this sinkhole:
Image: Worlds-largest-sinkholes-Yungang.jpg
Complete with a road going into it.
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Lidane Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:52:37am |
MOAR GUNZ and GODWIN in the same video:
RT- When Gov’t takes ur guns, PEOPLE DIE youtube.com/watch_popup?v=… #tcot #tgdn #NRA #teaparty— Tom Lynch (@trumpetman) March 4, 2013
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:53:27am |
What’s with conservatives and the Daily Fail???
It’s a tabloid.
:/
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:55:45am |
re: #555 Varek Raith
What’s with conservatives and the Daily Fail???
It’s a tabloid.
:/
It’s not just them. It’s also the lazy news media in general passing on the bad reporting. That’s even worse, in a way, by legitimizing that bullshit.
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:58:53am |
Good morning Lizards.
Did everyone have fun with the hatchling troll last night? I went to bed roughly when they appeared. And since the thread was 500+ comments long this morning I figured they spewed talking points for at least a few hours. (I thought their first comment was a giveaway of what was going to follow - thus no “Welcome Hatchling” comment from me.)
Sunny and clear today so far in Philadelphia. Two cups of coffee down, need more shortly.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:00:54am |
re: #545 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
You don’t know what the teacher did. You have one side of the story, and even that has been changed around.
These stories are written to get people like you to repost them and get all outraged. It works. What I don’t get is why you fall for it, over, and over, and over, and over.
What other stories are you talking about?
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:01:19am |
re: #555 Varek Raith
What’s with conservatives and the Daily Fail???
It’s a tabloid.
:/
It’s the British accent.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:03:25am |
OH TEH SUFFERING! They will have to decide between paying their taxes and that second private jet!
“TAX BILLS FOR RICH FAMILIES APPROACH 30-YR HIGH”Bottom 20% pay no taxes.I’m sick of cries 4 #fairshare #CTOT #TGDN bigstory.ap.org/article/tax-bi…— Laura4Liberty (@laurak975) March 4, 2013
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:03:45am |
re: #549 kirkspencer
Absolutely. The passenger’s testimony may be key to unraveling what happened. If they can get CCTV footage from nearby locations on and before the scene of the accident, it may help yield critical information as to whether either party was speeding and/or ran the stop sign.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:04:08am |
re: #560 Vicious Babushka
On the internet, everyone’s a millionaire and a hand model. /
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:06:45am |
Busy scene on the street below the building right now. Someone’s nice black SUV had a disagreement with a bus. Bus, SUV, police car, tow truck, and SEPTA van all now on the scene. Given the debris field it looks like the SUV lost a head light, front bumper, and various amounts of damage to front end panels and trim.
And traffic backed up behind it since it’s on a two-lane street.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:09:14am |
re: #558 NJDhockeyfan
What other stories are you talking about?
You seriously are claiming you don’t remember me and other people criticizing you for posting one-sided outrage stories before?
Do you understand that in this case, you have only the word of one side— the kid and his dad— and even in that case they’ve admitted that the headline is hyperbolic idiocy, that the teacher said that the boy was saying “Bang bang”?
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:11:09am |
re: #560 Vicious Babushka
Bottom 20% pay no federal income tax after refunds, EITC, etc. They still have withholding like everyone else.
The bottom 20% still pay all other taxes - gas tax, sales tax, etc.
And the tax burden on the rich is still nowhere near like what it was 30 years ago. Even capital gains today are less than what they were 30 years ago (and if you’re a billionaire, that’s where your real income is coming from, not a compensated salary).
It’s even lower for most income levels - 15% for those under the top tax bracket, and 20% for those who are now in the top tax bracket of 39.6%.
The long term cap gains rate was typically 25% for most of its existence, it increased to as much as 40% in the 1970s, before winding its way back down to 25% and then dipped below that. It’s now 0/15/20% depending on income level.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:15:00am |
BULLSHIT
Obama we are overtaxed: Top 20% tax payers are paying highest rates since1979 (income, payroll, corporate and estate taxes). #TGDN— Michael P Wenzel (@WenzOmatic) March 4, 2013
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:17:08am |
re: #558 NJDhockeyfan
What other stories are you talking about?
If the Daily Fail lied about that, and got other people, even other news outlets, to believe it, isn’t it logical to figure they’re lying in other cases until proven otherwise?
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Targetpractice Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:18:18am |
What’s this “highest since” business? Wake me up when they’re paying the ‘79 rates, then we’ll talk. Right now, they’re still paying way below the historical average and are not “overtaxed.”
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:22:08am |
re: #568 Targetpractice
What’s this “highest since” business? Wake me up when they’re paying the ‘79 rates, then we’ll talk. Right now, they’re still paying way below the historical average and are not “overtaxed.”
All these wingnuts fantasize about being in the top 1% when they win the Powerball. Until then, they are happy at the jrrb Walmart created for them.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:22:10am |
re: #566 Vicious Babushka
BULLSHIT
wait. corporate taxes? I find myself wondering if he meant those or if he meant capital gains. Either way, yes, stinky fertilizer.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:22:49am |
re: #570 kirkspencer
wait. corporate taxes? I find myself wondering if he meant those or if he meant capital gains. Either way, yes, stinky fertilizer.
A fantasizing wingnut doesn’t know from capital gains.
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Bulworth Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:26:30am |
Capitalism is great.
[Link: nationalinterest.org…]
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:26:55am |
Wre: #194 DrTesla
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
What the fuck is this?
What makes Rush cool in your eyes?
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:28:58am |
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:29:58am |
re: #208 DrTesla
well I’m use to trash talk on political boards, i’m not that sensitive. do I seem that way? LOL
you have to admit Rush had a pretty good point about Fluke. kind of silly for somebody to be talking to congress about birth control considering how cheap it is. hard to believe she’s dropping 3000 dollars in 3 yearss on birth control.
A point he chose to get across by calling her a slut.
Also are you aware that with brith control pills there is no correlation between how much they cost and how much sex you are having?
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:33:15am |
re: #573 jamesfirecat
What the fuck is this?
What makes Rush cool in your eyes?
Missed the overnight, thanks for giving me the opportunity to downding.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:34:09am |
re: #574 The Ghost of a Flea
We think it feeds on negative attention. Look away.
But it comes with sprinkles now!
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Bulworth Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:34:09am |
I think CPAC has found the nine racial minorities who voted for the Romney-Ryan ticket in November:
[Link: conservative.org…]
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:39:34am |
Ok, I give up downdinging the good Dr.
Silly wingnut troll.
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Flounder Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:39:46am |
My local paper’s coverage of that horrific crash in Brooklyn.
[Link: www.timesunion.com…]
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:39:48am |
On March 4, 1933, at the height of the Great Depression, Franklin Delano Roosevelt is inaugurated as the 32nd president of the United States. In his famous inaugural address, delivered outside the east wing of the U.S. Capitol, Roosevelt outlined his “New Deal”—an expansion of the federal government as an instrument of employment opportunity and welfare—and told Americans that “the only thing we have to fear is fear itself.” Although it was a rainy day in Washington, and gusts of rain blew over Roosevelt as he spoke, he delivered a speech that radiated optimism and competence, and a broad majority of Americans united behind their new president and his radical economic proposals to lead the nation out of the Great Depression.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:43:56am |
re: #468 DrTesla
why didn’t Obama just cough up the long form birth certificate right away? just seems like a lot of the drama was avoidable but may that is what he wanted.
The drama was unneccesary from the very beginning. In the end, it was a brilliant move: by the time he did produce it, the birthers were so invested in the notion that they were unable to back down and made even bigger asses of themselves.
Even Newt Gingrich tried to warn them that it was a “trap”, but they were too stupid to listen.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:44:47am |
re: #582 Sol Berdinowitz
The drama was unneccesary from the very beginning. In the end, it was a brilliant move: by the time he did produce it, the birthers were so invested in the notion that they were unable to back down and made even bigger asses of themselves.
Even Newt Gingrich tried to warn them that it was a “trap”, but they were too stupid to listen.
Now all the crazy Birthers have moved on to the phony “Stolen SSN!!!111!!!’ without skipping a beat.
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:45:07am |
Good grief, he went on for that long….?
I need coffee.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:46:40am |
re: #364 engineer cat
an electrical engineer, a manager, and a software engineer are on a road trip to a conference when they lose control of their car at the top of a hill and crash
the manager says “let’s hold a quality circle, work smarter and not harder, and converge on a solution”
the electrical engineer says “oh hell just give me some copper wire and a screwdriver and i’ll have it fixed in five minutes”
the software engineer says “um, can we push it back up to the top of the hill and see if it does the same thing every time?”
Better punchline…
Software engineer says, lets get out of the car, get back in and see if that fixes it.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:49:24am |
re: #582 Sol Berdinowitz
Please proceed, Governor
He was trolling them and they didn’t even realize it (which is par for the course for those morons). I saw it do 2 things; it kept their focus on a pointless and previously debunked issue, and it made them look foolish and racist at the same time, and he released it just as the whole thing reached a fever pitch with Trump harping on it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:51:43am |
re: #511 Lidane
Mark Sanford’s pitch to his ex-wife on running his campaign: “I could pay you this time.”
Probably said the same thing when he asked her for sex…
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:56:54am |
re: #304 DrTesla
i dont’ know how Rush even stumbled upon her testimony but I understood immediately why he highlighted it. it’s unfortanute that he got off into the slut thing b/c i think liberals have been able to drown out the main point was he making.
His main point was the believe Fluke is a whore because she uses BC and that Fluke should tape her sex episodes for all to see because she wanted her health insurance to include BC as part of their coverage.
BTW, why do you teabaggers oppose health insurance from covering BC for women? Seriously…what….does…..it….matter….to….you?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:00:10am |
Karma: -755
DrTesla
Registered since: Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm
No. of comments posted: 91
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Impressive. All that in one day?
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:01:08am |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:01:56am |
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?
Obama, The Negro Sellout To White #KKK Liberals Disarming The Black Man youtu.be/nckgyfGbdnU #GunRights #CivilRights #NRA #TGDN #p2 #tcot— Voting Female (@VotingFemale) March 4, 2013
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:02:29am |
re: #536 Interesting Times
The Daily Mail really harps on the Polish immigrant angle. A lot of white supremacists and BNP types love linking to those stories.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:02:46am |
re: #576 geoffm33
Missed the overnight, thanks for giving me the opportunity to downding.
No problem I tend to always start my mornings by checking out the bottom ten…
That’s schadenfreude making the world a better place to be!
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:03:09am |
re: #590 NJDhockeyfan
Karma: -755
DrTesla
Registered since: Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm
No. of comments posted: 91
No. of Pages posted: 0
Impressive. All that in one day?Impressive. All that in one day?
Now, now. He was not rude or pushy, just rather clueless and full of standard RW talking points.
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:03:52am |
Noticed all of the late replies to Dr. Tesla and went back and read the originals.
He may be a troll, but he seems to be fairly mellow about it.
Then again, anyone who tries to defend Limbaugh as a comedian:
A) shares the same bigotry as Rush and tries to hide it as “humor”
B) is an idiot
C) a litte of part A and a little of Part B.
Also: seriously, Tesla? You’re gonna go down the birth certificate route? As someone alluded to earlier, if Obama were a white guy named Barry Ohara, none of this would have ever come up.
Educated and observant people recognize that as racism. And it’s the only reason conservatives and Republicans pursued the issue.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:03:53am |
re: #595 Sol Berdinowitz
Now, now. He was not rude or pushy, just rather clueless and full of standard RW talking points.
And he thinks Limbaugh is “cool”.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:07:01am |
re: #589 Dr. Matt
Distilled to its essence, it is the belief that they shouldn’t pay for stuff that they don’t believe in.
So, if they don’t believe in birth control, then they shouldn’t be required to pay for it (by and through health insurance policy requirements to include it as a covered service that would otherwise potentially reduce the cost for said insurance).
It’s like the argument that people don’t want to pay their taxes because a portion of it goes to fund the military (or any other part of government with which they do not agree).
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:07:39am |
RMONEY’S JRRBZ PLAN: MOAR SUB-MINIMUM-WAGE JRRBZ AND NO HEALTH CAER!!!1111
If #Romney was President he would have stayed in Washington 2 figure out a #Jobs plan vs travelling the Country giving speeches #tcot #tgdn— ObamaWorld (@obamaisnuts) March 4, 2013
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:08:47am |
re: #597 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
And he thinks Limbaugh is “cool”.
The whole smarmy, “well, I’m too lazy to read that article and besides I wouldn’t agree with it anyway” schtick really got old quick.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:56am |
.@obamaisnuts Rmoney’s JRRBZ Plan: Work for Bowl of Rice & Gruel or STARVE! #tgdn #UniteBlue #MinimumWage— Vicious Babushka (@viciousbabushka) March 4, 2013
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:10:45am |
re: #596 Mattand
re teh Birth Certificate, I suspect we’re going to have a chance to prove the assertion “If it’d been a Republican the liberals would have done it too.”
Ted Cruz, born in Canada of two American citizens who were working out-of-country, is probably going to run for president in 2016.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:12:18am |
On the chopping block at the DoD: The LCS (derisively called the Little Crappy Ship) because of all the cost overruns and the decision to build two different ships to meet the Navy’s littoral water needs.
Besides the $400 million in added costs for developing two separate ship designs to meet the LCS need, both ships have had teething issues with corrosion, defects, and the potential for not being able to sustain combat operations after taking a hit.
The intention was to keep both Austal/General Dynamics and Lockheed Martin shipyards busy - a jobs program and a tech program to keep the skills needed for shipbuilding going.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:12:50am |
re: #602 kirkspencer
re teh Birth Certificate, I suspect we’re going to have a chance to prove the assertion “If it’d been a Republican the liberals would have done it too.”
Ted Cruz, born in Canada of two American citizens who were working out-of-country, is probably going to run for president in 2016.
John McCain, born in Panama Canal zone.
Mitt Romney’s father was born on a polygamous compound in Mexico which would make Mitt not “natural born” according to some wingnut interpretation.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:14:11am |
re: #591 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
All earned through honest toil.
Wasn’t a big job. You could call it a toilette.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:15:00am |
re: #603 lawhawk
I only one navy dude who likes the LTS program, and he likes anything new and shiny. Most of the guys are very dismayed that the program hasn’t lived up to anything remotely like its original design.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:18:49am |
re: #598 lawhawk
Distilled to its essence, it is the belief that they shouldn’t pay for stuff that they don’t believe in.
Religious freedom and freedom of speech meant that these people can continue to discourage women from using birth control. They just cannot deny them access to it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:21:03am |
Anyone know the best way to find a great real estate agent? Angie’s List charges for looking at reviews.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:22:50am |
re: #608 NJDhockeyfan
Anyone know the best way to find a great real estate agent? Angie’s List charges for looking at reviews.
Town or city?
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:25:02am |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:25:24am |
WTF
Classes Canceled At Oberlin College After Person In KKK Robe Reported On Campus livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/classes-… #p2 #gop #edu #opslam #tcot #tgdn— CityCountryMe (@_ccm) March 4, 2013
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:25:38am |
re: #606 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
The Navy needs to have a littoral combat ship capability - being able to patrol close to shore as most Navy ships are designed for open water conflicts (carriers, missile destroyers, frigates, submarines, etc.). Having a ship that could get in close to shore is a definite advantage when dealing with the current crop of threats, including piracy and small craft attacks - like say in the Persian Gulf, the Gulf of Oman/Red Sea/Horn of Africa.
They could have saved costs simply by going with one unified cost and building it out in both shipyards. It’s a tactic that the Navy has used before in building its aircraft carriers and submarines. For instance, the 688 class subs were built either at Electric Boat in Groton Connecticut or at Newport News to a common design. They didn’t have radically different designs, meaning that they had shared components, etc.
That simplifies and reduces costs. Two separate ships to do the same mission increases those costs. Doesn’t matter that one of the LCS looks absolutely badass with its trimaran hull while the other has a more conventional design. The problem is that it may not be sufficiently survivable in a combat situation (can’t take a hit) - because of its aluminum hull. And for those who are keeping score, it’s the same issue that came up with the Bradley fighting vehicle design teething.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:25:51am |
re: #612 Vicious Babushka
Most likely some jackass.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:26:03am |
re: #606 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
As LawHawk noted, one of the big reasons the program still keeps going is an attempt to keep the ship assembly and tech lines open.
We (the US) don’t build many ships any more. We build boats, and we build warships, and that’s pretty much it. And because warships have gotten more and more expensive we’ve had fewer and fewer made.
Part of the problem is that ship building is a fairly mature industry. Labor and large capital investment are keystones, and both are significantly more expensive in the US. Add into this the fact that there’s not a huge market for the things even in the civilian world. Barring a major change in some aspect - either construction or for the purchasers - this isn’t going to change.
At the same time there’s a critical strategic need to be able to self-produce as much as possible when it comes to war. It’s a reason I give Iran major pluses, for example. If you go to war with country X and country Y is your supplier, you’re sorta out of luck if Country Y doesn’t want you at war with Country X.
Long run, then, I figure the LCS program will come back if/when the sequester ends. It might roll into a new version, taking lessons learned to try and make it work with less total cost, but the need for the production line is strategically important.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:26:05am |
re: #610 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Town or city?
Just this area. I am in a rural area outside Charlottesville.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:26:20am |
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:26:24am |
re: #611 Sionainn
Damn. Looks like I missed a lot of derp.
Don’t worry, here’s some MOAR!!1! (from our resident partisan hack)
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:26:40am |
re: #612 Vicious Babushka
WTF
I just saw that.
Classes Canceled At Oberlin College After Person In KKK Robe Reported On Campus
Oberlin College suspended its classes on Monday after a person donning a KKK-style hood and robe was spotted on the Ohio campus near the school’s African Heritage House. The college is encouraging students and faculty to participate in a slate of activities centered around tolerance and solidarity scheduled for Monday.
“We hope today will allow the entire community—students, faculty, and staff—to make a strong statement about the values that we cherish here at Oberlin: inclusion, respect for others, and a strong and abiding faith in the worth of every individual,” a statement on the school’s website read. “Indeed, the strength of Oberlin comes from our belief that diversity and openness enriches us all, and enhances the educational mission at its core.”
Monday’s report of someone in KKK regalia is the latest in a recent spate of what the school described as “hate-related incidents on campus.” Last week, a swastika and other graffiti appeared in Oberlin’s Conservatory of Music. Earlier last month, anti-Semitic, racist and homphobic graffiti was found on the campus, which is located in Oberlin, Ohio.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:27:36am |
re: #613 lawhawk
They also had this modular design that was going to be freaking awesome and whoo-hoo, but it turned out to be massively problematic so it was scrapped. That really, really, really hurt the promise of the program.
I really wish we’d go simpler instead of mega-fancy. It’s getting to be like we have a military of prototypes.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:28:33am |
re: #615 kirkspencer
As LawHawk noted, one of the big reasons the program still keeps going is an attempt to keep the ship assembly and tech lines open.
We (the US) don’t build many ships any more. We build boats, and we build warships, and that’s pretty much it. And because warships have gotten more and more expensive we’ve had fewer and fewer made.
In other words, a socialized industry that depends almost entirely on the government.
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:29:17am |
Kinda OT, but I’d like to see a return to the old blue Navy Jack from the sort of Gadsden thing they’ve got going on right now.
Yeah, I know it’s the “First Navy Jack”, but it’s the sort of thing you’d expect from some belligerent, pissant state. Majestic it ain’t.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:30:23am |
re: #622 dragonath
Also that snake looks like it’s been treaded on.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:30:37am |
SOUNDS TOTALLY LIKE THE GOP
#YouMightBeADictatorIf you want to inflict as much pain on your people as possible because they won’t do what you want #tcot #p2 #tgdn— Lawrence (@larry0660) March 4, 2013
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Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:31:33am |
re: #612 Vicious Babushka
WTF
Oberlin College is notable as being one of the first US colleges to regularly accept black and female students. Thus one reason that someone would pull that particular stunt there.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:31:47am |
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:32:08am |
re: #621 Sol Berdinowitz
In other words, a socialized industry that depends qalmost entirely on the government.
… and your point is?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:32:40am |
re: #610 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Town or city?
Zillow has lots of posted reviews.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:32:49am |
re: #624 Vicious Babushka
YouMightBeAWhinyPissant if you insist that a fairly and legally elected President is a “Dictator” because he does not do what you want him to.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:33:35am |
re: #627 kirkspencer
… and your point is?
Nothing, just praising the Free Market and its ability to solve all our problems if left unregulated…
/
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:33:50am |
re: #628 NJDhockeyfan
Zillow has lots of posted reviews.
No, I mean, are you looking for a real estate agent for a property that’s in a town or city? Or suburb?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:37:16am |
re: #629 Sol Berdinowitz
YouMightBeAWhinyPissant if you insist that a fairly and legally elected President is a “Dictator” because he does not do what you want him to.
YouMightBeAWhinyPissant if you don’t like the POTUS because he is blackity black black.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:40:05am |
re: #631 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
No, I mean, are you looking for a real estate agent for a property that’s in a town or city? Or suburb?
I’m in the next county. We have a post office, a brewery, and a bunch of wineries. About 20 miles from Downtown Charlottesville. Lots of people that move down here like to live out of town. It’s quiet, beautiful, and taxes are lower.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:42:58am |
Tesla is approaching AnneFrance levels of derpitude.
Funny thing, if AnneFrance were posting today, I don’t think she would have gotten the same volume of downdings, but it was still totally shitty of her to say that all Down’s babies should be destroyed.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:43:03am |
Karma: -778
DrTesla
Registered since: Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:44:27am |
re: #633 NJDhockeyfan
I’m in the next county. We have a post office, a brewery, and a bunch of wineries. About 20 miles from Downtown Charlottesville. Lots of people that move down here like to live out of town. It’s quiet, beautiful, and taxes are lower.
Then find whatever real estate agent is hooked into local politics the best, who understands the permitting and zoning and inspection process and all that. Look for someone who’s lived in the town for awhile. If the town has any sort of chamber of commerce or anything ask them.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:44:56am |
Holy crap, this is frightening.
White House Boys Investigation Heightens at Dozier
Florida Senator Bill Nelson is demanding action and answers concerning a notorious school for boys. It’s been known as a reform school and more recently as The Dozier School.
University of South Florida Anthropologists have recently uncovered a number of unmarked graves at the School in Marianna.
Senator Nelson is asking for time and money to allow the U-S-F team to continue its work.
The Florida School for Boys, opened in 1903. It closed as the Dozier School in 2011.
…Robert Straley was sent there as a 13 year old in 1963. “Boys really never had a chance, whips and the chains and the whole bit.”
Strayley says as a child he was beaten at the school. Evidence shows at least 100 deaths occurred at the school for boys.. But there may be many more.
At a news conference with Senator Bill Nelson 84 year old Ovell
Kkrell described how her brother vanished at the school in 1943.We got there, we were told he had already been taken out and burried. So we went out and that’s when they took us to the grave that supposedly he was in.
Mrs krell says there are conflicting accounts of how her brother died. She doesn’t believe them. His unmarked grave can not be found.
Glen Varhadoe described how his uncle died at the school. “The family was notified about ten days to two weeks later that he was dead, so no family was present at the funeral. “
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:45:30am |
Palate cleanser:
How to drive San Francisco, see the sites, and do so in style - all in under 10 minutes:
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:46:08am |
re: #634 Vicious Babushka
I think she’d get plenty slapped around for that kind of eugenics no matter what. Downs babies are heartbreaking because they often outlive their families and wind up living very unhappy lives. I have no ethical problem with someone aborting a fetus with Downs because their future is so uncertain; I have no problem with someone keeping and making the commitment to raising and loving the child. However, I do think a lot of people who have babies with severe developmental difficulties underestimate the challenges they’ll face in having them.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:48:56am |
re: #636 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Then find whatever real estate agent is hooked into local politics the best, who understands the permitting and zoning and inspection process and all that. Look for someone who’s lived in the town for awhile. If the town has any sort of chamber of commerce or anything ask them.
Thanks! We don’t have a town BTW, it’s all basically a county. The next door neighbor has been on the county commission board for a while but he’s an ass.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:49:34am |
re: #639 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I think she’d get plenty slapped around for that kind of eugenics no matter what. Downs babies are heartbreaking because they often outlive their families and wind up living very unhappy lives. I have no ethical problem with someone aborting a fetus with Downs because their future is so uncertain; I have no problem with someone keeping and making the commitment to raising and loving the child. However, I do think a lot of people who have babies with severe developmental difficulties underestimate the challenges they’ll face in having them.
And needless to say, they underestimate the Christian charity and helpfulness of otherwise devout Christians who vehemently oppose aborting babies no matter how deformed…
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:49:49am |
re: #498 Vicious Babushka
I’m not thrilled about a Walmart executive as Budget Director. Their business model is Soak the Poor.
I thought so as well. But when I checked her history it shows that she was President of the Walmart Foundation, their charitable arm. Before that she was a president of the Global Development Program of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
So I’m much less inclined to think she’s a bad choice. Let’s wait and see.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:50:23am |
re: #641 Sol Berdinowitz
And needless to say, they underestimate the Christian charity and helpfulness of otherwise devout Christians who vehemently oppose aborting babies no matter how deformed…
But who then refuse to provide any form of assistance to help raise the child whose abortion they prevented.
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sagehen Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:51:23am |
re: #612 Vicious Babushka
WTF
My guess is it’s going to be some wingnut who wanted to prove that liberals “don’t tolerate all points of view after all, do they? They only tolerate people who agree with them!!”
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:52:04am |
re: #642 Romantic Heretic
I thought so as well. But when I checked her history it shows that she was President of the Walmart Foundation, their charitable arm. Before that she was a president of the Global Development Program of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.
So I’m much less inclined to think she’s a bad choice. Let’s wait and see.
Funny, ‘coz the original Wal-Mart model was originally designed to benefit the poor by bringing big-city shopping to rural areas with few consumer options and regular paying jobs to areas that had mostly low-paid, seasonal work.
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Romantic Heretic Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:52:05am |
re: #513 Vicious Babushka
The little baby from yesterday’s Williamsburg drunk driving accident has passed away.
I haz a whole bunch of sads.
Aw, crap. I hope they find the prick responsible for this and put them in a hole so deep that their food has to be lowered to them in pressurized containers.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:52:34am |
re: #643 Vicious Babushka
But who then refuse to provide any form of assistance to help raise the child whose abortion they prevented.
They provide them with moral assistance by pointing out what they are doing wrong…
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:53:23am |
This is just plain nuts.
(It’s from the Daily Mail, don’t hit me!)
A Catholic priest set fire to a photograph of Benedict XVI in the middle of Sunday mass in northern Italy.
The now Pope Emeritus’ first Sunday in retirement was marred by the actions of the clergyman in a petite medieval village on the border to France who accused him of deserting the church.
Father Andrea Maggi, 67, said the former pope was ‘like the Captain Calamity of the Concordia who had abandoned his ship.’
Parishioners in Castel Vittorio, a hilltop village of 350 inhabitants, in Liguria, were shocked when the priest set showed them a picture of the ex-Pope and then set fire to it with a candle.
Father Maggi explained his actions by saying: ‘a shepherd shouldn’t abandon his flock.’
Castel Vittorio mayor, Gianstefano Orengo, who was summoned to tackle the errant priest said: ‘It was a shocking gesture.
‘I understand that Don Andrea is going through a delicate period from a psychological point of view.’
The local bishop said he was ‘mortified’ by the ‘reprehensible and grave disturbance of ecclesial communion.
He said: ‘I am mortified by the actions of Father Andrea, who in other respects has proved a priest who is generous and sensitive in his pastoral conduct.
‘The gesture has caused confusion among the parishioners- many left the church.’
But Don Maggi remained defiant saying he ‘had done the right thing’.
He told La Repubblica: ‘I had said to myself the day that he goes I will burn this.’
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:54:32am |
re: #640 NJDhockeyfan
Thanks! We don’t have a town BTW, it’s all basically a county. The next door neighbor has been on the county commission board for a while but he’s an ass.
Are you looking to move? The ass might be happy about that and help you, if he knows you think he’s an ass. Heh.
Otherwise, just try to find someone reasonable to talk to either in local government or chamber of commerce or something like that, to ask about an established and reputable person.
A lot of real estate agents are just corporate types who cover far more territory than they can really be familiar with. It’s not their fault, it’s the way that their companies are arranged, but still.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:56:44am |
re: #646 Romantic Heretic
Aw, crap. I hope they find the prick responsible for this and put them in a hole so deep that their food has to be lowered to them in pressurized containers.
“It punches itself in the face or it gets the hose again.”
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:57:34am |
re: #649 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Are you looking to move? The ass might be happy about that and help you, if he knows you think he’s an ass. Heh.
LOL!
He’s the one whose dogs killed one of my dogs and they had attacked another dog a few years ago. The county put his beloved dogs down last year because of it. He’s not speaking to us.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:58:39am |
Man I am lovin etrade.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:01:13am |
Florida imam convicted of aiding Pakistani Taliban
A south Florida imam was convicted Monday on charges of funneling more than $50,000 to the Pakistani Taliban.
A federal court jury convicted Hafiz Khan, 77, on four counts of providing money and support to the group, which the United States considers a terrorist organization. Each count is punishable by up to 15 years in prison.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:02:45am |
re: #620 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
They also had this modular design that was going to be freaking awesome and whoo-hoo, but it turned out to be massively problematic so it was scrapped. That really, really, really hurt the promise of the program.
I really wish we’d go simpler instead of mega-fancy. It’s getting to be like we have a military of prototypes.
We are, indeed, a nation with a military of prototypes. But there are a few reasons for this.
First (and bad), we’re still carrying over the “quality vs quantity” attitude of the cold war. We felt we had to use quality - quality of training, quality of equipment - to overcome the fact we were going to be significantly outnumbered.
This actually has a touch of validity if you accept our need for global presence to be valid. Though we have almost the largest (manpower, number of vessels) military in the world, we scatter it in several places. To negate the potential defeat in detail we’re still relying on quality. The forces on the spot may still be overwhelmed, but it’ll be very costly and may take enough time for reinforcement or revenge before the other side has time to recover.
The second factor that applies is somewhat counterintuitive. We don’t really advance our equipment that much. The purchases are small and done over time. As a result we don’t usually purchase enough to get past prototype and into production curves. But consider for example the M1 Abrams. First prototypes were delivered in 1976, and deployment began in 1979. While there have been two major upgrades, we’re basically using the tank we developed as cutting edge 35 years ago.
Ships? Burkes are fairly young, only coming out about 25 years ago. Perrys and Ticonderogas were about 30-35, and the Nimitz was launched about 38 years ago. (Though to be fair, every carrier since then has been a prototype of advancements on the preceding class. But the basic design was still Nimitz. The Ford, first of the new class, was laid down four years ago and is expected to launch two years from now.)
The point is that we don’t build a thousand ships, tanks, or vehicles every year. We build, then we polish and tweak. If the system is large enough we build one, learn some lessons, build the next - exactly as a prototype system.
If a war occurred that caused losses we could ramp up quite a bit, producing hundreds if not thousands of tanks, dozens of ships, all in a very short period. We would need to do so. But we have no call, and the solution we’ve decided to use is, well, constant prototypes.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:03:14am |
re: #653 Killgore Trout
He testified that he lied about supporting the Taliban because he wanted a $1 million donation from a purported Taliban sympathizer, a man who was actually an FBI informant paid by the government.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:03:39am |
Biden: Obama ‘not bluffing’ on stopping Iran’s nuclear drive
US Vice President Joe Biden told America’s biggest pro-Israel lobbying organization on Monday that President Barack Obama was “not bluffing” about the United States’ determination to stop Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.
“The president of the United States cannot and does not bluff. President Barack Obama is not bluffing,” he told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) in a speech to its annual policy conference.
“Big nations cannot bluff,” he added. “Presidents cannot bluff and President Obama is not bluffing. We’re not looking for war, we’re ready to negotiate. We prefer a diplomatic solution.”
Biden added the though the United States was “not looking for war” and wanted peaceful negotiations with Iran, the “window is closing” for talks, and the US was determined “to prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon. Period. Not contain – prevent.”
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:04:06am |
Knew it the second I read the headline. Another photo op for the FBI. Not really supporting the Taliban.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:04:46am |
re: #652 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Man I am lovin etrade.
The etrade baby is lame, just lame.
You know what’s even worse than the etrade baby? Subway did a commercial with adults and dubbed-in little baby voices. That was effin horrible.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:04:51am |
Florida man convicted of supporting the DEVIL who was really just an FBI agent posing as the DEVIL. //
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:06:48am |
re: #658 Vicious Babushka
The etrade baby is lame, just lame.
You know what’s even worse than the etrade baby? Subway did a commercial with adults and dubbed-in little baby voices. That was effin horrible.
I liked the etrade commercials, some of them anyway, but I mean the site and tools, not the commercials.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:06:52am |
re: #596 Mattand
Noticed all of the late replies to Dr. Tesla and went back and read the originals.
He may be a troll, but he seems to be fairly mellow about it.
Then again, anyone who tries to defend Limbaugh as a comedian:
A) shares the same bigotry as Rush and tries to hide it as “humor”
B) is an idiot
C) a litte of part A and a little of Part B.Also: seriously, Tesla? You’re gonna go down the birth certificate route? As someone alluded to earlier, if Obama were a white guy named Barry Ohara, none of this would have ever come up.
Educated and observant people recognize that as racism. And it’s the only reason conservatives and Republicans pursued the issue.
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:07:58am |
re: #657 Gus
Knew it the second I read the headline. Another photo op for the FBI. Not really supporting the Taliban.
He wasn’t convicted for the $1 million from the FBI agent, he was convicted of $50,000 in other transactions.
Evidence against the elder Khan included bank records and wiretapped phone calls in which he solicited money and expressed support for Pakistani Taliban efforts to overthrow the Pakistani government and attack Americans.
Khan said the money was intended to help support relatives, war victims and a school he had founded in his hometown in the Swat Valley in northwest Pakistan.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:08:41am |
re: #654 kirkspencer
I still think the prototype system we’ve got leads to super-fancy packages that couldn’t actually be ramped up significantly if we needed to— and also that there isn’t really a possibility of ramping it up. We’re not going to war with China. Their economy would simply implode if any war started— ours would take an initial hit but it would actually be good for our real economy in the end.
We’re not going to go to war with Russian, because the gangsters there aren’t going to do anything that runs the risk of their nice little deal going sour.
Basically, Iraq has taught the world that nobody can actually afford to go to war anymore. It’s way too expensive.
So we should really be using our military to attack the largest strategic threat: AGW.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:08:54am |
re: #661 DrTesla
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
Let me be the one to give your first downding of the morning.
There were very few “liberals” who stood by Dan Rather when the fake memos were exposed.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:09:15am |
Florida man charged in plot to blow up the world with accomplice who was actually an FBI agent.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:09:16am |
re: #661 DrTesla
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
Do you think that Rush is racist?
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:09:30am |
Florida man charged in plot to blow up the moon with accomplice who was actually an FBI agent.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:10:15am |
re: #661 DrTesla
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
Bush’s very presence in the Air National Guard meant that he was basically AWOL from service in Vietnam (he used family connections to skip the waiting list).
I can deal with people who dislike Obama’s policies and personnel choices, but not the ones who insist that he is Kenyan, Muslim, Fascist, Communist or out to deprive us of our basic rights and ruin capitalism.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:10:27am |
re: #662 Killgore Trout
He wasn’t convicted for the $1 million from the FBI agent, he was convicted of $50,000 in other transactions.
And who helped him make that 50K transaction?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:10:49am |
re: #662 Killgore Trout
It’s completely legitimate for him to be arrested as a fraudster asshole who supported terrorism.
Too bad he wasn’t an HSBC exec; then he could get away with it.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:10:52am |
Note to self: new bakery’s whole-wheat baguettes SUCK.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:11:10am |
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:11:24am |
Kermit Gosnell, the “doctor” who is up on multiple murder charges for running a house of horrors abortion clinic in the Philly area, is set to stand trial, and I’m thinking he’s looking to cut a plea deal because all but one of the other defendants initially arrested in connection to the case have entered guilty pleas.
He carried out illegal late term abortions and killed at least one of the women who he butchered in the process.
Yet, the only reason that the investigators went to check out his offices was that they were carrying out a separate pill mill investigation and that’s when they uncovered the horrifying blood soaked scenes.
Prosecutors contend that Gosnell, 72, committed first-degree murder by delivering seven babies in the 6th through 8th months of pregnancy, then cutting their spinal cords with scissors. He committed third-degree murder, the prosecutors said, by prescribing the drugs that killed a woman following a 2009 abortion.
Gosnell, who is jailed without bail and may face the death penalty, is scheduled to be in a Philadelphia courtroom Monday for the start of jury selection.
The selection process could take weeks, but could be scrapped if Gosnell chooses to instead enter a guilty plea or if the trial is postponed, as is often the case.
Also scheduled to stand trial is Eileen O’Neill, 56, of Phoenixville, who was an employee at Gosnell’s now-shuttered “house of horrors” Women’s Medical Society clinic.
Charged with nine counts of theft by deception for allegedly working as a doctor despite lacking a medical license and certification, O’Neill is Gosnell’s lone co-defendant out of nine who chose not to take a plea deal.
Gosnell, a lifelong Philadelphian, ran his Lancaster Avenue clinic for nearly four decades, earning millions despite being repeatedly reported to health and licensing officials for shoddy and dangerous practices.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:11:51am |
re: #672 Gus
Great. Derptor Tesla is back.
Those of us who missed out on the fun last night now get to tenderize the gamy buttocks!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:12:08am |
re: #634 Vicious Babushka
Tesla is approaching AnneFrance levels of derpitude.
Funny thing, if AnneFrance were posting today, I don’t think she would have gotten the same volume of downdings, but it was still totally shitty of her to say that all Down’s babies should be destroyed.
Honestly I just do no think that there are 350 people who ding on this site these days for better or worse if you want to hear my thoughts.
I have seen comments just as odious ad AnneFrance’s but there are only about -50 or so karma…
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:12:12am |
re: #663 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I still think the prototype system we’ve got leads to super-fancy packages that couldn’t actually be ramped up significantly if we needed to— and also that there isn’t really a possibility of ramping it up. We’re not going to war with China. Their economy would simply implode if any war started— ours would take an initial hit but it would actually be good for our real economy in the end.
We’re not going to go to war with Russian, because the gangsters there aren’t going to do anything that runs the risk of their nice little deal going sour.
Basically, Iraq has taught the world that nobody can actually afford to go to war anymore. It’s way too expensive.
So we should really be using our military to attack the largest strategic threat: AGW.
I have this problem with the portion I highlighted. It’s that almost nobody considers the cost before going to war. And in fact there have been more than a few points when someone in history said, “There will be no more war because that one was so [insert negative adjective].”
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:13:19am |
re: #676 jamesfirecat
Honestly I just do no think that there are 350 people who ding on this site these days for better or worse if you want to hear my thoughts.
I have seen comments just as odious ad AnneFrance’s but there are only about -50 or so karma…
Comments made on pages do not always get the attention they deserve.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:13:38am |
re: #677 kirkspencer
How about “I don’t think anyone other than the US is dumb enough to go to war these days.”
And I don’t even think we’re dumb enough, unless the GOP gets back into control.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:15:41am |
re: #672 Gus
Great. Derptor Tesla is back.
Now hush, he is not rude or obnoxious, he just presents a lot of views that most of us find highly flawed and shot through with RW talking points.
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dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:16:54am |
Wis. gov wants new rent-to-own rules
MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Republican Gov. Scott Walker has quietly tucked provisions into his executive budget that would free rent-to-own businesses from Wisconsin’s consumer protection act, ensuring they wouldn’t have to disclose what industry opponents say are exorbitant interest rates.
…
Consumer advocates contend the industry targets the poor. They maintain the businesses grossly overcharge needy customers and collect far more than what the item is worth. Some critics contend the businesses charge interest rates three to four times higher than credit card buyers pay, according to Czerwonko’s analysis.
Forty-seven states have separate laws governing rent-to-own businesses; Wisconsin, New Jersey and North Carolina do not, according to Czerwonko’s research.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:16:59am |
re: #680 Sol Berdinowitz
Now hush, he is not rude or obnoxious, he just presents a lot of views that most of us find highly flawed and shot through with RW talking points.
Saying that you like Rush’s sense of humor is pretty obnoxious, as the stuff that he said about Sandra Fluke is wildly misogynistic.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:17:05am |
re: #661 DrTesla
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
Bush being AWOL was a natural extension of the fact that many prominent people pulled strings to get their children out of serving on the combat lines in Vietnam, does the fact that Obama was not born on the continental USA lead naturally to suspect that he is not a US citzen?
He’ll since his mother was a US citzen at the time he would be one even if he had been born outside US borders, isn’t that right?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:17:58am |
DERPTY DERP.
Let’s get rid of the #TSA and follow #Israel’s lead: Security delays at airports blamed on sequester americanthinker.com/blog/2013/03/m… #tcot #tgdn— Heidi Parson (@hgparson) March 4, 2013
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:18:26am |
re: #674 lawhawk
Kermit Gosnell, the “doctor” who is up on multiple murder charges for running a house of horrors abortion clinic in the Philly area, is set to stand trial, and I’m thinking he’s looking to cut a plea deal because all but one of the other defendants initially arrested in connection to the case have entered guilty pleas.
He carried out illegal late term abortions and killed at least one of the women who he butchered in the process.
Yet, the only reason that the investigators went to check out his offices was that they were carrying out a separate pill mill investigation and that’s when they uncovered the horrifying blood soaked scenes.
There ya go. More prosecutorial BS like the FBI crap above. Get him on the drug charges! War on drugs!
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:18:28am |
re: #684 Vicious Babushka
The delays at US airport would be like ten times longer if we used Israel’s model.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:19:25am |
Florida man charged in plot to destroy the universe with army of miniature mice people with accomplice who was actually an FBI agent.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:19:35am |
re: #686 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
The delays at US airport would be like ten times longer if we used Israel’s model.
It would be totally impossible for the US to follow Israel’s profiling model. Israel has ONE MAJOR AIRPORT. US has hundreds.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:19:48am |
re: #678 Vicious Babushka
Comments made on pages do not always get the attention they deserve.
The fact that Charles has made it so that negatively voted comments in pages show up on the bottom ten list probably helps get them at least some more attention.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:20:12am |
re: #682 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Saying that you like Rush’s sense of humor is pretty obnoxious, as the stuff that he said about Sandra Fluke is wildly misogynistic.
Those are his opinions, he is not insulting anyone here personally. I am not defending any of his views or opinions, just pointing out that dogpiling on people who embrace opinions you disagree with is not the best form.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:21:12am |
Every exit interview that Zedushka and I have had while leaving Israel, they always start out speaking to us in English and then switching to Hebrew to see how fluent we are.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:21:17am |
re: #683 jamesfirecat
Bush being AWOL was a natural extension of the fact that many prominent people pulled strings to get their children out of serving on the combat lines in Vietnam,
John Kerry’s family did not pull strings…but it did not help him win election.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:21:26am |
re: #690 Sol Berdinowitz
Those are his opinions, he is not insulting anyone here personally. I am not defending any of his views or opinions, just pointing out that dogpiling on people who embrace opinions you disagree with is not the best form.
I think dogpiling on people who say misogynistic shit and defend racists is just fine.
His opinions are bigoted.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:21:37am |
re: #688 Vicious Babushka
It would be totally impossible for the US to follow Israel’s profiling model. Israel has ONE MAJOR AIRPORT. US has hundreds.
Exactly. Israel is just one airport so to speak. And what for? Some imaginary threat? People talk as if we have an outbreak of terrorist attacks on the USA.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:21:53am |
re: #692 Sol Berdinowitz
John Kerry’s family did not pull strings…but it did not help him win election.
Your point being?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:22:30am |
re: #666 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Do you think that Rush is racist?
nope, his program observer is black, walter Williams has host his show before, he is friends with Thomas sowell, Clarence Thomas, a black ex-nfl player the hutch, and he defends or talks up other black conservatives all the time. a racist isn’t going to do these things unless i’m missing something.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:22:33am |
re: #693 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I think dogpiling on people who say misogynistic shit and defend racists is just fine.
His opinions are bigoted.
Jut don’t get personal. I have argued with him and told him I thought he was clueless on a number of issues.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:22:52am |
re: #697 DrTesla
nope, his program observer is black, walter Williams has host his show before, he is friends with Thomas sowell, Clarence Thomas, a black ex-nfl player the hutch, and he defends or talks up other black conservatives all the time. a racist isn’t going to do these things unless i’m missing something.
What about the racist shit he says all the time? Are you missing that?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:23:06am |
re: #696 jamesfirecat
Your point being?
That Karl Rove was an evil genius at the height of his powers in 2004.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:23:19am |
re: #698 Sol Berdinowitz
Jut don’t get personal. I have argued with him and told him I thought he was clueless on a number of issues.
Have I insulted him?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:23:54am |
re: #697 DrTesla
nope, his program observer is black, walter Williams has host his show before, he is friends with Thomas sowell, Clarence Thomas, a black ex-nfl player the hutch, and he defends or talks up other black conservatives all the time. a racist isn’t going to do these things unless i’m missing something.
As a person can not be racist against race X if they have friends of race X is that what you are saying?
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:24:41am |
re: #701 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Have I insulted him?
Love the Troll, hate the Trolling
/
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:25:23am |
re: #598 lawhawk
Distilled to its essence, it is the belief that they shouldn’t pay for stuff that they don’t believe in.
So, if they don’t believe in birth control, then they shouldn’t be required to pay for it (by and through health insurance policy requirements to include it as a covered service that would otherwise potentially reduce the cost for said insurance).
But, “they” are not paying for anything! The whole argument is about insurance coverage! If they oppose BC coverage, then why not oppose pain killers, anti-depressants, steroids, chemotherapy, ED drugs, etc…… ugh. They are mindless zombies.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:25:24am |
re: #700 Sol Berdinowitz
That Karl Rove was an evil genius at the height of his powers in 2004.
Luckily Obama broke his wand as part of a climatic battle during the 2006 midterms, but I have said too much…
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:25:38am |
re: #702 jamesfirecat
As a person can not be racist against race X if they have friends of race X is that what you are saying?
Wingnuts always keep some tokens around as beards to “prove” they are not racist, but G-D help the token who steps one toe over the line, like Colin Powell.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:26:09am |
sorry guys, I was looking for this website where this guy examined all of Fluke’s arguments, and I couldn’t find it. it’s been a year since that happened so I forget all the details of what she said.
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:26:48am |
re: #697 DrTesla
a racist isn’t going to do these things unless i’m missing something.
Intelligence, common sense, reality, a triple digit IQ, morals, etc., etc.,
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:26:49am |
re: #697 DrTesla
nope, his program observer is black, walter Williams has host his show before, he is friends with Thomas sowell, Clarence Thomas, a black ex-nfl player the hutch, and he defends or talks up other black conservatives all the time. a racist isn’t going to do these things unless i’m missing something.
To him those aren’t friends, they’re useful ni-CLANGS because it allows him to push his bullshit views by saying “see, here’s a black person and they support me and what I say!”
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:26:57am |
re: #705 jamesfirecat
Luckily Obama broke his wand as part of a climatic battle during the 2006 midterms, but I have said too much…
I thought it was Christine the Witch O’Donnell who stole his Wizard Powers in 2010…
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:27:09am |
re: #707 DrTesla
sorry guys, I was looking for this website where this guy examined all of Fluke’s arguments, and I couldn’t find it. it’s been a year since that happened so I forget all the details of what she said.
You know you could have just admitted your ignorance at the start rather than claiming you understood what the issue was…
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:27:33am |
re: #679 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
How about “I don’t think anyone other than the US is dumb enough to go to war these days.”
And I don’t even think we’re dumb enough, unless the GOP gets back into control.
Nope, still can’t agree.
Let me run what I consider a possible scenario that would draw us in whether most of us wanted it or not.
Israel pushes its current semi-undercover war with Iran and does another sabotage strike on, oh, let’s say the University reactor. This one goes ugly and there are two nominally undesirable consequences. First, the Israelis get caught. Second, it isn’t a contained reaction and the reactor goes kablooey - dozens killed, hundreds injured, thousands get radiation poisoning, the eastern third of Tehran has to be evacuated to avoid the drift.
Iran decides enough is enough and declares war, asking for a UN action against Israel for the terrorist strike. (Yep, terrorist. Mass casualties due to what is essentially a dirty bomb. Prove it wasn’t intentional on Israel’s part.)
The US tries to delay and sooth, bringing in its veto. China calls us hypocrites and volunteers to provide forces to Iran in support of actions against Israel. Russia abstains directly, indirectly indicates it’s feeling a bit mercenary and wants the natural gas fields Iran claims in the mid-region of the Caspian sea, but doesn’t care if it’s by mutual defense treaty or by conquest.
Iran, with this support, makes a long-range non-nuclear missile strike on Israel, hitting military bases (which happen to be in the middle of residential areas - like it or not a lot of people accidentally play the ‘civilian shield’ game).
We now have a shooting war in the middle east with a major player involved. I left out the possibility (probability) that Iran takes a shot at the US, largely because I think they’d play a bit of political judo:
“You know who shot first, are you a puppet of Israel or do you stand by your alleged ideals?”
I cannot see the US staying out. And with China providing direct support I see it spilling into other nations, not just in the middle east.
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:27:44am |
re: #707 DrTesla
sorry guys, I was looking for this website where this guy examined all of Fluke’s arguments, and I couldn’t find it. it’s been a year since that happened so I forget all the details of what she said.
Unless Sandra Fluke argued that she was a slut and had every right to free BC access to continue her sluttiness, then why should that have been a topic/segment on elRushbo’s show?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:27:45am |
re: #707 DrTesla
Here testimony was already linked for you in this thread. The testimony you claimed to have listened to and then blatantly lied about.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:27:45am |
re: #688 Vicious Babushka
Ben Gurion has about 13 million passengers pass through per year.
To pick out three US airports:
JFK had 23 million.
ATL had 44+ million.
ORD had 30+ million.
Expanding the Ben Gurion secuirty to other nations, let alone one like the US is a tough thing to accomplish. You’d need more highly trained and more expensive security personnel (higher costs for workforce), as well as additional security screening for baggage to match that for El Al (for instance), which in addition to TSA standard screening, you need to go through a profiling screening as well as a baggage check with pressure test plus the x-ray.
No way it would cost less.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:28:10am |
re: #710 Sol Berdinowitz
I thought it was Christine the Witch O’Donnell who stole his Wizard Powers in 2010…
How does your theory explain his failure in the 2008 election?
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:28:30am |
re: #707 DrTesla
sorry guys, I was looking for this website where this guy examined all of Fluke’s arguments, and I couldn’t find it. it’s been a year since that happened so I forget all the details of what she said.
Wish it were possible to do a little speech bubble from the image link to the quoted text.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:28:31am |
re: #712 kirkspencer
I’m sorry, I don’t find that scenario in the least bit credible.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:29:03am |
re: #707 DrTesla
sorry guys, I was looking for this website where this guy examined all of Fluke’s arguments, and I couldn’t find it. it’s been a year since that happened so I forget all the details of what she said.
That she wanted her insurance to cover birth control.
Everything else was put into her mouth, the “slut pills”, the implication that she needs the contraception so she can have wild orgies, etc.
The SF discussion did a lot to mobilize women to come out and vote Democratic because they saw their access to contraception, something that most of them had been taking for granted since the 1970’s, as being endangered by GOP policy.
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lawhawk Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:29:07am |
re: #691 Vicious Babushka
Haven’t had that experience, but they do ask where you’re going, where you’ve been, and on the most recent trip, who planned the trip, and whether we belong to a shul.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:29:27am |
re: #702 jamesfirecat
As a person can not be racist against race X if they have friends of race X is that what you are saying?
I never said can’t but I think it’s kind of a stretch to believe rush is racist if he has relationships with blacks.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:30:02am |
re: #716 jamesfirecat
How does your theory explain his failure in the 2008 election?
The Wicked Witch of the North
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:30:09am |
re: #712 kirkspencer
Nope, still can’t agree.
Let me run what I consider a possible scenario that would draw us in whether most of us wanted it or not.
Israel pushes its current semi-undercover war with Iran and does another sabotage strike on, oh, let’s say the University reactor. This one goes ugly and there are two nominally undesirable consequences. First, the Israelis get caught. Second, it isn’t a contained reaction and the reactor goes kablooey - dozens killed, hundreds injured, thousands get radiation poisoning, the eastern third of Tehran has to be evacuated to avoid the drift.
Iran decides enough is enough and declares war, asking for a UN action against Israel for the terrorist strike. (Yep, terrorist. Mass casualties due to what is essentially a dirty bomb. Prove it wasn’t intentional on Israel’s part.)
The US tries to delay and sooth, bringing in its veto. China calls us hypocrites and volunteers to provide forces to Iran in support of actions against Israel. Russia abstains directly, indirectly indicates it’s feeling a bit mercenary and wants the natural gas fields Iran claims in the mid-region of the Caspian sea, but doesn’t care if it’s by mutual defense treaty or by conquest.
Iran, with this support, makes a long-range non-nuclear missile strike on Israel, hitting military bases (which happen to be in the middle of residential areas - like it or not a lot of people accidentally play the ‘civilian shield’ game).
We now have a shooting war in the middle east with a major player involved. I left out the possibility (probability) that Iran takes a shot at the US, largely because I think they’d play a bit of political judo:
“You know who shot first, are you a puppet of Israel or do you stand by your alleged ideals?”I cannot see the US staying out. And with China providing direct support I see it spilling into other nations, not just in the middle east.
What does China get by supporting Iran?
Just curious since most of this seems painfully plausible…
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:30:39am |
re: #718 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I’m sorry, I don’t find that scenario in the least bit credible.
Which part?
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:30:55am |
As I recall, Fluke was testifying on behalf a friend who had vaginal cysts. Really the way that woman’s name was dragged through the mud was madness.
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:30:57am |
re: #661 DrTesla
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
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Herr dubyah didn’t have an typical background? WTF!?? He was a spoiled elitist who got into Ivy league because of his father, he is an alcoholic and a drug addict, he owned and ruined a baseball team franchise, flew in the ANG thanks to daddy and then went AWOL, married a woman who murdered someone…. Yeah, herr dubyah is such TYPICAL American!
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:31:03am |
re: #715 lawhawk
Ben Gurion has about 13 million passengers pass through per year.
To pick out three US airports:
JFK had 23 million.
ATL had 44+ million.
ORD had 30+ million.Expanding the Ben Gurion secuirty to other nations, let alone one like the US is a tough thing to accomplish. You’d need more highly trained and more expensive security personnel (higher costs for workforce), as well as additional security screening for baggage to match that for El Al (for instance), which in addition to TSA standard screening, you need to go through a profiling screening as well as a baggage check with pressure test plus the x-ray.
No way it would cost less.
Also, the profiling apparatus is in place at other airports around the world that have flights into Israel. Security for Israel-bound flights is totally different than security for flights to other destinations.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:31:38am |
re: #721 DrTesla
I never said can’t but I think it’s kind of a stretch to believe rush is racist if he has relationships with blacks.
Not really. You could believe, for example, that most black people were intellectually inferior to whites, but be friends with a few black people who you regarded as being equal (and who might even share your views, in this hypothetical situation).
This would make you a racist with some black friends.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:31:39am |
re: #721 DrTesla
I never said can’t but I think it’s kind of a stretch to believe rush is racist if he has relationships with blacks.
He has relationships with individuals that serve his personal ends and interests. I believe that his views on blacks in general are less savory.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:31:59am |
re: #709 Ghost of Tom Joad
To him those aren’t friends, they’re useful ni-CLANGS because it allows him to push his bullshit views by saying “see, here’s a black person and they support me and what I say!”
well Thomas sowell and walter Williams are both economics professors…I think they would catch on to what rush was doing if he was using them as props. I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:32:35am |
re: #721 DrTesla
I never said can’t but I think it’s kind of a stretch to believe rush is racist if he has relationships with blacks.
Again: What about all the racist things Rush says?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:32:50am |
re: #729 Sol Berdinowitz
He has relationships with individuals that serve his personal ends and interests. I believe that his views on blacks in general are less savory.
Its always “I’m talking about those other ones, not you.”
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:32:53am |
re: #721 DrTesla
I never said can’t but I think it’s kind of a stretch to believe rush is racist if he has relationships with blacks.
Do you believe it is possible to hate a group of people in general while liking particular examples of it for whatever reason?
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:33:22am |
re: #730 DrTesla
I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
Why did he bring up race into an issue that had nothing to do with race?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:33:34am |
re: #730 DrTesla
well Thomas sowell and walter Williams are both economics professors…I think they would catch on to what rush was doing if he was using them as props. I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
Thomas Sowell and Walter Williams are totally down with being used as beards by Rush because they have their own agendas.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:33:38am |
re: #723 jamesfirecat
What does China get by supporting Iran?
Just curious since most of this seems painfully plausible…
To a certain extent they’d be protecting their investment.
A few months ago China got a hong-kong style lease on a base in southeast Iran, with direct link to oilfields and production facilities. The base is primarily civilian but has military facilities, and China has been running an anti-piracy force from that base.
China needs oil, and Iran’s been willing to provide it. China reduced but did not eliminate its importation of Iranian oil with the recent US increase of sanctions. It cannot afford to stop the importation.
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:34:03am |
re: #661 DrTesla
well, given how much some liberals obsessed over the idea of Bush being AWOL in the national guard, I don’t think it is a leap to think if Bush had the kind of atypical background that Obama did, that a large number of them would be “birthers”. I don’t think being a birther means you must be a racist. this isn’t to say there aren’t any racist birthers.
I don’t think the gop is a racist party. the reality is since the majority of blacks vote for democrats, racist white people will be prone to vote for the gop. we can’t control that as far as I can see.
Thanks for the response. It was well written and measured.
Here’s mine: you’re either delusional or purposely trolling.
Obama has an “atypical” background? Christ, if you worked any more code words in there, you could apply for a cryptography job. If you mean “mixed race parents”, grow a spine and just say it.
And, no; if George Bush has such an “atypical” background, there would be no calls for his birth certificate. Why? BECAUSE HE’S WHITE.
As for the GOP controlling the amount of racists voting for them: when you leave rotting meat in your yard, you tend to attract vermin.
I’ll say to you what I say to the other conservatives I meet: your party is driven by lunatics with nasty racist and fanatical streaks. And by voting GOP, you implicitly endorse that behavior, whether it’s Michelle Bachmann or Todd Akin.
Your party is fucking nuts, to put it bluntly.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:34:08am |
re: #724 kirkspencer
Which part?
Lots of it. Mainly China saying it’ll provide volunteers. First of all, I have no clue why you think they would. Second of all, Iran would never accept their help.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:35:05am |
re: #730 DrTesla
well Thomas sowell and walter Williams are both economics professors…I think they would catch on to what rush was doing if he was using them as props. I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
What if Thomas and Williams are okay with being used as props because it gets them showered with praise by people who would otherwise look down on them?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:35:51am |
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Dr. Matt Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:36:22am |
Direct quotes from the racist Drug Limbaugh:
“Have you ever noticed how all composite pictures of wanted criminals resemble Jesse Jackson?”
~Rush Limbaugh
“Look, let me put it to you this way: the NFL all too often looks like a game between the Bloods and the Crips without any weapons. There, I said it.”
~Rush Limbaugh
“The NAACP should have riot rehearsal. They should get a liquor store and practice robberies.”
~Rush Limbaugh
” [To an African American female caller]: “Take that bone out of your nose and call me back.”
~Rush Limbaugh
“We need segregated buses… This is Obama’s America.”
~Rush Limbaugh
“Obama’s entire economic program is reparations.”
~Rush Limbaugh
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:36:29am |
re: #730 DrTesla
well Thomas sowell and walter Williams are both economics professors…I think they would catch on to what rush was doing if he was using them as props. I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
Thomas Sowell in particular is the textbook case of someone who has managed to make it far enough in a discriminatory system and who is then happy to disparage those who didn’t make it as far, presumably in order to bolster his own self-image.
It’s not a particularly sophisticated understanding of society on his part, in my opinion.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:36:46am |
I wouldn’t use Walter Williams especially to prove that Limbaugh’s not a bigot. That is the guy who coined the term “feminazi.”
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:37:02am |
re: #742 Dr. Matt
Make sure you check those; there’s a lot of unverified Rush quotes out there.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:37:28am |
re: #194 DrTesla
I didn’t say uninformed, I just meant they didn’t care re: Libya. It’s an embassy overseas in a country most Americans don’t care much about so I can understand that to a degree.
I do kind of agree with El Rushbo that voters don’t tie the economy to Obama which is kind of crazy after 4 years of it.
do you guys consider El Rushbo a radical? You got to admit he’s pretty cool for a conservative.
At least get your talking points straight. It wasn’t the embassy in Libya that was attacked. It was the consulate. They are not the same thing.
Limbaugh is a hateful, spiteful, lying, bullying moron. “Cool” is not one of the words I’d use to describe him.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:37:31am |
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:37:43am |
Limbaugh called basketball the sport of gangmembers. Yeah, no racial bullshit there.// He is a racist or at the very least used racism to stir up shit.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:37:59am |
Conservative site ‘Daily Caller’ chides Ashley Judd for nude scenes
The conservative news site The Daily Caller mocked actress and activist Ashley Judd on Sunday night for doing nude scenes in her films.
“We are used to knowing just about everything there is to know about serious political candidates,” entertainment editor Taylor Bigler said. “But will Judd be the first potential senator who has — literally — nothing left to show us?”
Judd, a Kentucky native, has reportedly been considering moving back to challenge incumbent Rep. Mitch McConnell (R-KY). Citing Mr.Skin.com, a site that specializes in cataloging celebrity on-screen nudity, Bigler offered an inventory of Judd’s nude scenes, saying, “The actress has bared her breasts in several films and has had some raunchy sex scenes in others.”
“My impression is this is something she wants to do, and she is now taking the time to make the contacts she needs to make throughout the state to try and generate commitments of support and in some cases fundraising,” Rep. John Yarmuth (D-KY) told ABC News on Feb. 25. “She is certainly acting like a candidate, a potential candidate.”
Think Progress columnist Alyssa Rosenberg criticized Bigler’s story on Monday morning, calling it “exceptionally gross” and saying they show conservative anxiety over the prospect of Judd entering the political arena full-bore.
To answer the bolded question: No, Scott Brown has her beat on that score
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:38:17am |
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:38:29am |
re: #728 iossarian
Not really. You could believe, for example, that most black people were intellectually inferior to whites, but be friends with a few black people who you regarded as being equal (and who might even share your views, in this hypothetical situation).
This would make you a racist with some black friends.
well, I never heard rush say anything racist. he’s against affirmative action so that makes him a racist in some democrat’s mind. the one quote they seem to rely on is when he told a black woman caller to get the bone out of her nose but in my mind that is just a creative way of calling somebody a Neanderthal (liberals call us Neanderthals all the time) and nobody ever reveals what she said to him prior to that.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:39:29am |
re: #751 DrTesla
You’re becoming extremely boring.
| 753 |
Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:39:32am |
re: #741 Vicious Babushka
Troll is here, sharpen your dinger!
I’ve been in gaze mode the moment he/she arrived.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:39:32am |
re: #749 Kragar (Antichrist )
Conservative site ‘Daily Caller’ chides Ashley Judd for nude scenes
To answer the bolded question: No, Scott Brown has her beat on that score
Remember when the Daily Caller totally blasted Scott Brown for posing nude? Yeah me either.
| 755 |
Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:39:42am |
re: #751 DrTesla
well, I never heard rush say anything racist.
Maybe you should take the bone out of your ears
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:40:13am |
re: #741 Vicious Babushka
Troll is here, sharpen your dinger!
I love the smell of roasting troll on Monday Mornings.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:40:22am |
re: #751 DrTesla
well, I never heard rush say anything racist.
Do you agree that Donovan McNabb was overrated because the media wanted a black quarterback to succeed?
| 758 |
Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:40:41am |
re: #752 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
You’re becomingYou were extremely boring the moment you arrived.
FTFY
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Randall Gross Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:42:09am |
re: #747 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi
No frats at Oberlin.
There’s a black anti-gun protestor who sometimes dresses as KKK for publicity, his schtick is that lack of gun controls has killed more blacks than the KKK ever did.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:42:14am |
re: #752 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
You’re becoming extremely boring.
I reached that conclusion last night:
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:42:26am |
re: #758 Gus
In a way, trolls provide a benefit: They act as Simplico, the opposite member of a Socratic dialog who says the dumb shit that can be easily disproved and shot down. The only way trolls really fail on this is just all the blatant lying; it can be interesting to deconstruct a bad argument, but not really just to say “You’re lying about what Fluke said, jackass.”
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:42:42am |
re: #751 DrTesla
well, I never heard rush say anything racist. he’s against affirmative action so that makes him a racist in some democrat’s mind. the one quote they seem to rely on is when he told a black woman caller to get the bone out of her nose but in my mind that is just a creative way of calling somebody a Neanderthal (liberals call us Neanderthals all the time) and nobody ever reveals what she said to him prior to that.
I’ll give you this much; your trolling is fairly well put together.
Gonna go out on a limb and say you’re white/Caucasian. Mainly because those kind of responses are from people who’ve never had to endure any real discrimination.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:43:01am |
re: #759 Randall Gross
There’s a black anti-gun protestor who sometimes dresses as KKK for publicity, his schtick is that lack of gun controls has killed more blacks than the KKK ever did.
“Why Rhett, haven’t I always told you to wash your hands after the weekly cross-burnin’?”
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:43:02am |
re: #734 Dr. Matt
Why did he bring up race into an issue that had nothing to do with race?
well I don’t really want to go through all that again as mcnabb is no longer in the nfl but his view was mcnabb was overrated, and he gave a reason as to why that could be. I don’t think it is outlandish to believe a lot of white people want a black qb to do well and so maybe they hype his ability up a little bit.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:43:29am |
re: #751 DrTesla
well, I never heard rush say anything racist. he’s against affirmative action so that makes him a racist in some democrat’s mind. the one quote they seem to rely on is when he told a black woman caller to get the bone out of her nose but in my mind that is just a creative way of calling somebody a Neanderthal (liberals call us Neanderthals all the time) and nobody ever reveals what she said to him prior to that.
Tell you what, to talk with a black person, and tell them to get the bone of out of their nose, and let me know how they react…..
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:43:39am |
re: #763 Mattand
Oh, never say that, the troll can always just claim that they’re an American-Indian-Maori mix who’s endured the most staggering racism known to man.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:05am |
re: #738 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Lots of it. Mainly China saying it’ll provide volunteers. First of all, I have no clue why you think they would. Second of all, Iran would never accept their help.
China would not be providing volunteers. It would be providing part of it’s military in accordance with a military support treaty.
They do have a treaty. Depending on the interpretation China is obligated to or allowed to provide military support to Iran in the event it is attacked. There is also the question of whether that is all of Iran or just the part of Iran containing the pasa bandar and nearby coast.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:10am |
re: #759 Randall Gross
There’s a black anti-gun protestor who sometimes dresses as KKK for publicity, his schtick is that lack of gun controls has killed more blacks than the KKK ever did.
I thought the meme was that abortion has killed more blacks than the KKK?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:24am |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:46am |
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?
90% of African Americans voted 4 #Obama despite his failures last 4 years. Has reverse Racisim taken over America ? #tcot #tgdn @washtimes— ObamaWorld (@obamaisnuts) March 4, 2013
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:48am |
Celibate, allegedly lifetime asexual men, set to gather and pick the next celibate and asexual man to lead group that will make sexual moral judgements on millions of their followers.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:55am |
re: #770 Kragar (Antichrist )
It can be, what are you looking at it for?
don’t know. I just don’t want to fall behind in the whole social media thing. I’m old.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:45:00am |
re: #764 Vicious Babushka
“Why Rhett, haven’t I always told you to wash your hands after the weekly cross-burnin’?”
The color guard is colored!
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:45:42am |
re: #751 DrTesla
well, I never heard rush say anything racist. he’s against affirmative action so that makes him a racist in some democrat’s mind. the one quote they seem to rely on is when he told a black woman caller to get the bone out of her nose but in my mind that is just a creative way of calling somebody a Neanderthal (liberals call us Neanderthals all the time) and nobody ever reveals what she said to him prior to that.
There’s no real delicate or funny way for me to put this, but if you can’t hear the racism, the constant dog-whistling, or the hatred, then you’re probably just as much of a racist hater as he is. Oh, and another trait that I see? The more racist somebody is, the more stringently it gets denied.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:45:55am |
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM? (Not embedded because Tweet may link to a white supremacist site)
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:46:04am |
re: #771 Vicious Babushka
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?
Yeah African Americans should have voted for Mitt Romney the man who claims they just want free stuff. Really, there’s a reason why African Americans predominately favor the Democrats over the Republicans and it’s because of shitheads like this.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:47:06am |
re: #773 FemNaziBitch
don’t know. I just don’t want to fall behind in the whole social media thing. I’m old.
I dont know about it being social media like Facebook, its mostly for just posting pictures, rants, videos and stuff like that and you can be pretty much anonymous on it.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:47:25am |
Since I’m white I’m probably not qualified to tell if Rush is racist. I am a women and can, however, tell you that he is a misogynistic pig.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:47:37am |
Man accused of trying to bomb Plano gas pipeline due in court today
The charges stem from an incident last June in which a homemade bomb exploded on a natural gas regulator in Plano. The device went off prematurely and caused little damage.
Chi lashed out for years online against what he sees as governmental oppression, including Facebook posts criticizing the Federal Reserve.
Paulian?
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:01am |
re: #779 FemNaziBitch
Since I’m white I’m probably not qualified to tell if Rush is racist. I am a women and can, however, tell you that he is a misogyistic pig.
Yep. Really any guy who popularizes a term like Feminazi is a sexist dick.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:06am |
re: #778 Kragar (Antichrist )
I dont know about it being social media like Facebook, its mostly for just posting pictures, rants, videos and stuff like that and you can be pretty much anonymous on it.
I’m not interested in anonymous.
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Randall Gross Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:11am |
re: #769 Vicious Babushka
I thought the meme was that abortion has killed more blacks than the KKK?
You might remember that better than I, it’s something I only vaguely recall.
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Bulworth Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:20am |
re: #769 Vicious Babushka
I thought the meme was that abortion has killed more blacks than the KKK?
The memes are interchangeable.
“Welfare has killed more blacks than the KKK.”
“Soshulized medicine has killed more blacks than the KKK.”
Etc./
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:24am |
re: #766 jamesfirecat
Tell you what, to talk with a black person, and tell them to get the bone of out of their nose, and let me know how they react…..
so you don’t think it is relevant at all what she said to him at first? i’m not suggesting he should have said that, and I think he may have apologized for using that term but I don’t think it is racist.
do you think calling a black person a Neanderthal is by default racist?
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:47am |
re: #765 DrTesla
well I don’t really want to go through all that again as mcnabb is no longer in the nfl
I’m tho thorry to make you relive things that Rush actually said.
but his view was mcnabb was overrated,
And what was his evidence for this?
and he gave a reason as to why that could be.
Again without producing any actual evidence for it.
I don’t think it is outlandish to believe a lot of white people want a black qb to do well and so maybe they hype his ability up a little bit.
But did they? Are you really claiming that McNabb was more hyped, in terms of his ability, than, say, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in the past decade?
My rather simpler interpretation of this episode, which relies on far less conjecture than yours/Rush’s, is that McNabb wasn’t particularly overrated, he was simply a pretty good black quarterback (who if I remember correctly single-handedly beat a pretty good Michigan team while in college). This was hard to fathom for Rush, so he came to the conclusion that McNabb must be overrated and then had to come up with an explanation for this (those damn liberals who want to hype up black people’s achievements!).
It makes a lot more sense that way.
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:49:05am |
re: #775 Ghost of Tom Joad
There’s no real delicate or funny way for me to put this, but if you can’t hear the racism, the constant dog-whistling, or the hatred, then you’re probably just as much of a racist hater as he is. Oh, and another trait that I see? The more racist somebody is, the more stringently it gets denied.
Heh, one of the few redeeming qualities about some of my relatives: they’re as racist as they come, but they’re at least honest about it.
I’m always curious as to how they vote. They’re all union guys, but I’m betting most of them voted for the union-busting GOP, rather than the black guy.
Racial purity before economic self-interest. And I get to share DNA with that.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:49:09am |
re: #779 FemNaziBitch
Since I’m white I’m probably not qualified to tell if Rush is racist. I am a women and can, however, tell you that he is a misogynistic pig.
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:14am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
No telling. Strong male personalities draw weak women. He doesn’t seem to be able to keep any of them interested for very long.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:20am |
McNabb was getting hype when he was regularly taking the Eagles to the playoffs and the conference championship game. If a white QB had been doing the same at that point in his career, Limbaugh probably never says anything.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:27am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
4 women married Rush because he is a rich celebrity. You will notice they did not stay married to him.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:32am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
Thanks. I needed the laugh this morning.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:51am |
re: #786 iossarian
I’m tho thorry to make you relive things that Rush actually said.
And what was his evidence for this?
Again without producing any actual evidence for it.
But did they? Are you really claiming that McNabb was more hyped, in terms of his ability, than, say, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady in the past decade?
My rather simpler interpretation of this episode, which relies on far less conjecture than yours/Rush’s, is that McNabb wasn’t particularly overrated, he was simply a pretty good black quarterback (who if I remember correctly single-handedly beat a pretty good Michigan team while in college). This was hard to fathom for Rush, so he came to the conclusion that McNabb must be overrated and then had to come up with an explanation for this (those damn liberals who want to hype up black people’s achievements!).
It makes a lot more sense that way.
I would say brady and manning are much more accurate passers, mcnabb was a more gifted athlete and at times he was awesome but much more streaky of a passer.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:51:36am |
re: #791 Vicious Babushka
4 women married Rush because he is a rich celebrity. You will notice they did not stay married to him.
well for a celebrity he stayed married for them pretty long time. I don’t really want to get all up in his personal business though.
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Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:51:48am |
re: #776 Vicious Babushka
WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM? (Not embedded because Tweet may link to a white supremacist site)
And the winner is? Zionism. According to the numbers. Yeah, an extremely racist site with links to neo-Nazi, white supremacist, and KKK sites.
| 797 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:52:11am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
So what happened to wives 1 thru 3 again?
| 798 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:52:21am |
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:52:45am |
re: #793 DrTesla
I would say brady and manning are much more accurate passers, mcnabb was a more gifted athlete and at times he was awesome but much more streaky of a passer.
Not coincidentally, I would say that this is the overall media presentation of those three players.
So by that measure, McNabb was not particularly overrated by the media. But Rush thought he was. Why?
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:52:49am |
re: #795 DrTesla
well for a celebrity he stayed married for them pretty long time. I don’t really want to get all up in his personal business though.
NO? out of respect or because you don’t want to open THAT can of worms?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:53:18am |
re: #768 kirkspencer
China would not be providing volunteers. It would be providing part of it’s military in accordance with a military support treaty.
They do have a treaty. Depending on the interpretation China is obligated to or allowed to provide military support to Iran in the event it is attacked. There is also the question of whether that is all of Iran or just the part of Iran containing the pasa bandar and nearby coast.
Can you cite the treaty for me? I can’t find it anywhere.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:53:21am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
Wow, I haven’t read shit that dumb in ages.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:53:44am |
re: #799 iossarian
Not coincidentally, I would say that this is the overall media presentation of those three players.
So by that measure, McNabb was not particularly overrated by the media. But Rush thought he was. Why?
Shit Manning was in the league a lot longer than McNabb was before he got to his first Super Bowl.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:55:16am |
re: #803 HappyWarrior
Shit Manning was in the league a lot longer than McNabb was before he got to his first Super Bowl.
Shit Manning was a very underrated QB. The only other QB I can think who the media hated on as much as him was Chickenfucker Brady.
| 805 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:55:36am |
“Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.”
Because, according to Rush, looks are the only criteria on which a women should be viewed?
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:21am |
re: #795 DrTesla
well for a celebrity he stayed married for them pretty long time. I don’t really want to get all up in his personal business though.
Right. But you have no problem lying about what Sandra Fluke said, and calling her a “bimbo.”
“El Rushbo” gives you the talking points and you go out and spread them like a dutiful parrot.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:32am |
re: #347 DrTesla
the thing about Fluke is the costs of attending Georgetown are staggering but she is up there talking about the costs of her birth control, which are going to be a tiny fraction of her tuition and living costs at Georgetown, even if we give her the seemingly bogus figure of 3000 bucks in 3 years on inexpensive birth control.
Listen up, you little twit. Fluke was testifying that the insurance coverage that she and her fellow students pay for themselves should cover contraception.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:54am |
re: #788 DrTesla
why do so many women love him if that is the case? he’s been married to 4 of them now.
If you are not being facetious then you are being indescribably dense.
| 809 |
Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:00am |
re: #765 DrTesla
well I don’t really want to go through all that again as mcnabb is no longer in the nfl but his view was mcnabb was overrated, and he gave a reason as to why that could be. I don’t think it is outlandish to believe a lot of white people want a black qb to do well and so maybe they hype his ability up a little bit.
Shit, I’ll go over the McNabb thing again, as I’ve lived in the Philly metro area for decades and am up close and personal with Eagles fans.
Eagles fans get the rep they deserve. They get real nasty and irrational, real quick. And if there’s a black player doing poorly, they will sometimes use some really nasty racial terms to describe them.
Here’s the thing: when your buddy Rush went full-metal racist when talking about McNabb, even the most racist Eagles fan felt Limbaugh was out of line. Because for all of McNabb’s faults, he worked his ass off to get where he was.
Limbaugh knew what he was saying; I think he was expecting ABC not to challenge him on it. But when you essentially accuse an African American player of being successful due to affirmative action, people tend to see you for the racist you are.
| 810 |
makeitstop Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:04am |
re: #730 DrTesla
well Thomas sowell and walter Williams are both economics professors…I think they would catch on to what rush was doing if he was using them as props. I didn’t think his mcnabb comment was racist, probably not the best thing to say on ESPN though.
So basically, he associates with the ‘right’ kind of blacks - ones that he considers peers because they’re in one way or another very successful.
Also, fellow conservatives. The Black Friends of Rush Limbaugh is a very exclusive club.
| 811 |
Gus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:14am |
re: #806 Charles Johnson
Right. But you have no problem lying about what Sandra Fluke said, and calling her a “bimbo.”
“El Rushbo” gives you the talking points and you go out and spread them like a dutiful parrot.
AKA, dittohead.
| 812 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:14am |
re: #803 HappyWarrior
Shit Manning was in the league a lot longer than McNabb was before he got to his first Super Bowl.
See, this is just it. Limbaugh didn’t say: “Manning’s overrated - he always chokes in big games” or “that guy Pat Tillman was a totally average player and we wouldn’t be talking about him if he hadn’t been killed in action”.
He specifically picked a high-profile black player and made a totally unsubstantiated claim that he was overrated by the media, on the grounds that “people want a black player to succeed”, the clear implication being that black people can’t succeed any other way.
Which is evidence of a racist outlook.
| 813 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:27am |
re: #785 DrTesla
so you don’t think it is relevant at all what she said to him at first? i’m not suggesting he should have said that, and I think he may have apologized for using that term but I don’t think it is racist.
do you think calling a black person a Neanderthal is by default racist?
No because, I have heard plenty of white people called Neanderthals, but never heard a white person told to “take the bone out of their nose”
Tell you what lets do a quick little racist vision test.
Is this image racist?
[Link: browse.deviantart.com…]
Is this image racist?
| 814 |
Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:40am |
re: #807 Sionainn
Listen up, you little twit. Fluke was testifying that the insurance coverage that she and her fellow students pay for themselves should cover contraception.
Troll deploys “Willful ignorance.”
Its super effective!
| 815 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:50am |
re: #805 FemNaziBitch
You are wasting your time with this particularly obnoxious, stupid troll. See this earlier comment of his Shvaughn quoted - he was referring to Sandra Fluke. He’s doing the online equivalent of dropping his pants and shitting all over the rug.
| 816 |
Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:59:05am |
re: #814 Kragar (Antichrist )
Troll deploys “Willful ignorance.”
Its super effective!
The Triumph of the Will
| 817 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:59:22am |
re: #785 DrTesla
so you don’t think it is relevant at all what she said to him at first? i’m not suggesting he should have said that, and I think he may have apologized for using that term but I don’t think it is racist.
do you think calling a black person a Neanderthal is by default racist?
I think I’m starting to get fed up with this crap now. The racism is never far below the surface with these types.
| 818 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:59:25am |
well I grew up in south Carolina in an area that has at least 50 percent black people and I went to school with a lot of black people and I think that I feel more comfortable around black people than a lot of whites do. some whites just aren’t comfortable with any criticism of a black person by a white person. I do know some white racists and if rush is a racist, he’s the most subtle one in the world. he’s been on the radio for years, hours and hours of audio, and the best thing they got is the bone out of your nose comment.
| 819 |
engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:59:36am |
the problem with rush and mcnabb was not the reasonableness of the argument per se but the fact that right away rush injected racial politics in the one place where people absolutely don’t want to hear about it
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:00:00am |
re: #812 iossarian
See, this is just it. Limbaugh didn’t say: “Manning’s overrated - he always chokes in big games” or “that guy Pat Tillman was a totally average player and we wouldn’t be talking about him if he hadn’t been killed in action”.
He specifically picked a high-profile black player and made a totally unsubstantiated claim that he was overrated by the media, on the grounds that “people want a black player to succeed”, the clear implication being that black people can’t succeed any other way.
Which is evidence of a racist outlook.
No doubt. Really, there was a reason why the NFL didn’t want him taking part of ownership with a team and his history with this and countless other statements are a good reason why.
| 821 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:00:35am |
re: #817 Charles Johnson
I think I’m starting to get fed up with this crap now. The racism is never far below the surface with these types.
It is really a boring troll.
| 822 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:00:58am |
re: #806 Charles Johnson
Right. But you have no problem lying about what Sandra Fluke said, and calling her a “bimbo.”
“El Rushbo” gives you the talking points and you go out and spread them like a dutiful parrot.
well bimbo was probably a little harsh. still, we all use words like bimbo in political talk. libs say that about coulter, michelle malkin, S.e. cup, etc.
| 823 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:01:09am |
re: #818 DrTesla
Speaking of noses, stuff this up yours :)
| 824 |
Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:01:59am |
re: #818 DrTesla
well I grew up in south Carolina in an area that has at least 50 percent black people and I went to school with a lot of black people and I think that I feel more comfortable around black people than a lot of whites do. some whites just aren’t comfortable with any criticism of a black person by a white person. I do know some white racists and if rush is a racist, he’s the most subtle one in the world. he’s been on the radio for years, hours and hours of audio, and the best thing they got is the bone out of your nose comment.
Really? All the idiotic, disprovable shit you’ve been spouting, and you’re going to fall back on the “I’m a Southern guy and some of my friends are black” defense?
Do you really think that the people here are that stupid?
| 825 |
Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:02:19am |
800+ comment thread. Couple hundred in the last hour since I went to lunch.
That means the most recent resident troll must be back on-line.
| 827 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:02:43am |
re: #818 DrTesla
OMG! You feel comfortable around black people.
Well done. Truly. A big achievement.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:03:00am |
re: #819 engineer cat
the problem with rush and mcnabb was not the reasonableness of the argument per se but the fact that right away rush injected racial politics in the one place where people absolutely don’t want to hear about it
well you hear politics all the time on espn, including racial politics by guys like Stephen A. Smith. I don’t have a problem with it, and their ratings would go up if they let people spar over stuff rather than try to shut things down. my two cents.
| 830 |
FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:03:05am |
From 2009 to 2011, average real income per family grew modestly by 1.7% (Table 1) but the gains were very uneven. Top 1% incomes grew by 11.2% while bottom 99% incomes shrunk by 0.4%. Hence, the top 1% captured 121% of the income gains in the first two years of the recovery. From 2009 to 2010, top 1% grew fast and then stagnated from 2010 to 2011. Bottom 99% stagnated both from 2009 to 2010 and from 2010 to 2011.
Have you heard the people vote?
It is the vote of angry Men … .
| 831 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:03:41am |
re: #822 DrTesla
Though I suppose we should thank you for providing objective evidence of what frighteningly toxic idiots the GOP base consists of. Your posts are the best motivation to vote Democrat that anyone could ever have ^_^
| 832 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:04:03am |
I have some female friends that I have not yet tried to have sex with. This is because I am a non-sexist man and totally comfortable around the wenches.
| 833 |
Randall Gross Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:04:50am |
Who’s a real racist vs who’s a borderline racist is an interminable discussion, but nobody can deny that Rush caters to and panders to a racist audience, and that he knows exactly how far he can go without being yanked off the air while doing that. Whether he’s doing it for greed or hate doesn’t matter because in the end he’s still encouraging racists and racism.
I would not be surprised in the least to discover that our DrTesla is from the South.
| 834 |
engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:23am |
re: #829 DrTesla
well you hear politics all the time on espn, including racial politics by guys like Stephen A. Smith. I don’t have a problem with it, and their ratings would go up if they let people spar over stuff rather than try to shut things down. my two cents.
please don’t get the impression that i am attempting to have a conversation with you
| 835 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:26am |
Not many non-Jewish people know this, but if you hang out with some Jewish people you will find that they are actually pretty cool and have cool dancing at their weddings and suchlike.
I, personally, am very comfortable around Jewish people.
| 836 |
SteveMcGazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:51am |
re: #829 DrTesla
Any chance your name is Todd, or used it in a screen name?
| 837 |
makeitstop Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:55am |
re: #806 Charles Johnson
Right. But you have no problem lying about what Sandra Fluke said, and calling her a “bimbo.”
“El Rushbo” gives you the talking points and you go out and spread them like a dutiful parrot.
And then he ‘doesn’t want to get into’ points he initially brought up.
Where’s D_F? Isn’t it about time to crank up the BBQ?
| 838 |
Feline Fearless Leader Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:58am |
Heh. Turns out the mother that got $5,000 from a site in order to allow the internet to name her baby — was an actress. And the whole thing was a hoax to get publicity for the web-site.
[Link: www.today.com…]
Another outrageous outrage bites the dust.
| 839 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:06:09am |
They must have a pretty bad rat problem in Tehran.
Reports: Snipers Deployed To Kill Tehran’s Cat-Sized Rats
Rats have been a problem for many years in Tehran. As the BBC reported in 2000, officials back then launched a poison control program that they hoped would kill many of the estimated 25 million rats in the city.
Well, now there are reports that the poison isn’t working that well and that the rat population still outnumbers the Iranian capital’s humans. So, as The Times of London and Abu Dhabi’s The National report, sniper squads have been deployed.
The National says:
“Ten teams of sharpshooters armed with rifles equipped with infra-red sights have bagged more than 2,000 of the brutish rodents in recent weeks, city officials told state media. That’s a drop in the ocean: Iran’s rat population easily outnumbers the sprawling capital’s 12 million inhabitants. The city council is now boosting the number of sniper squads to 40, officials said.
” ‘It’s become a 24/7 war,’ a grim-faced Mohammad Hadi Heydarzadeh, the head of Tehran municipality’s environmental agency, declared on state television last month.”
Some of the rats, according to news reports, weigh about 11 pounds. That’s more than many of Tehran’s cats. The problem grows worse in Tehran as winter turns to spring, snows melt in the mountains and the city’s water table rises — pushing the rats into close contact with humans.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:06:15am |
re: #824 Mattand
Really? All the idiotic, disprovable shit you’ve been spouting, and you’re going to fall back on the “I’m a Southern guy and some of my friends are black” defense?
Do you really think that the people here are that stupid?
I didn’t say I have black friends. black and whites still tend to only hang out with ppl of their own race in the south, which is unfortunate.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:06:26am |
I love “I’m not racist because I know minorities” posts.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:07:44am |
re: #841 Kragar (Antichrist )
I love “I’m not racist because I know minorities” posts.
I bet in the end we discover blacks are just as racist as whites are.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:08:28am |
re: #840 DrTesla
I didn’t say I have black friends. black and whites still tend to only hang out with ppl of their own race in the south, which is unfortunate.
Where the hell do you live? I’m in the south and I see all races hanging out with each other.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:08:40am |
I am very, very concerned about the blah people who only hang out with other blah people.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:08:48am |
re: #840 DrTesla
I didn’t say I have black friends. black and whites still tend to only hang out with ppl of their own race in the south, which is unfortunate.
That would be a shocker to me and the people I grew up with.
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makeitstop Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:09:44am |
re: #822 DrTesla
well bimbo was probably a little harsh.
Yeah, running Fluke through the mud for three solid weeks, that’s a ‘little harsh.’
//
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:09:45am |
re: #840 DrTesla
I didn’t say I have black friends. black and whites still tend to only hang out with ppl of their own race in the south, which is unfortunate.
re: #841 Kragar (Antichrist )
I love “I’m not racist because I know minorities” posts.
re: #842 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I bet in the end we discover blacks are just as racist as whites are.
I’m waiting for the obligatory “I’m a victim of reverse discrimination” response.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:10:25am |
Here is a picture of a white man hanging out with some black people, in the South:
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FemNaziBitch Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:10:52am |
re: #842 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I bet in the end we discover blacks are just as racist as whites are.
I’m so tired of the labels. People are people. Some hate, some don’t, others (like the me and the honey badger) just don’t give a shit. People come in all colors and flavors.
Why some people feel the need to separate out others as “less than” and not deserving of rights, is beyond me.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” makes more sense to me with every year.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:12:05am |
i’m in Columbia sc right now. I grew up in Florence. I have lived in just bout every city in sc, and also Frederick md and Huntsville al. I think society is still kind of segregated for the most part. blacks and whites get along in the south but tend to hang out with ppl of their own race, go to churches that are all black or all white, etc. that’s my experience anyway. I think everybody feels awkward about race to some degree.
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:12:47am |
re: #849 FemNaziBitch
I’m so tired of the labels. People are people. Some hate, some don’t, others (like the me and the honey badger) just don’t give a shit. People come in all colors and flavors.
Why some people feel the need to separate out others as “less than” and not deserving of rights, is beyond me.
“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.” makes more sense to me with every year.
Race is but a construct we’ve invented which is one of the many reasons why racism is absurd.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:13:36am |
Jim Clyburn: Antonin Scalia Rejects Voting Rights Act Because He’s ‘White And Proud’
Rep. Jim Clyburn (D-S.C.) said Friday that he was “absolutely shocked” to hear Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia describe a key piece of the Voting Rights Act, one of the most significant achievements of the civil rights movement, as a “perpetuation of racial entitlement” earlier this week.
“I’m not easily surprised by anything, but that took me to a place I haven’t been in a long time,” Clyburn said of Scalia’s comments, during an interview with HuffPost. “What Justice Scalia said, to me, was, ‘The 15th Amendment of the Constitution ain’t got no concerns for me because I’m white and proud.’”
Now the third most powerful Democrat in the House of Representatives, Clyburn’s work on civil rights issues goes as far back as the age of 12, when he was elected president of his local NAACP youth chapter. He organized civil rights demonstrations in college, and even met his wife in jail after a protest.
Growing up in South Carolina, Clyburn said he “grew almost immune” to the racist comments being made around him. He said he will never forget hearing the late Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) defending his opposition to the 1957 Civil Rights Act by saying, in Clyburn’s paraphrased words, “Our negroes are pleased with their plight.”
Even though it’s been more than 55 years since Thurmond’s remarks, Clyburn said the same sentiment can be felt in comments like those made by Scalia. He pointed to a wave of state voting laws that made it harder to vote in the last election cycle as proof of the “obvious” need for the Voting Right Act to stay intact.
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:13:40am |
re: #850 DrTesla
i’m in Columbia sc right now. I grew up in Florence. I have lived in just bout every city in sc, and also Frederick md and Huntsville al. I think society is still kind of segregated for the most part. blacks and whites get along in the south but tend to hang out with ppl of their own race, go to churches that are all black or all white, etc. that’s my experience anyway. I think everybody feels awkward about race to some degree.
I feel awkward around people who race bait and think they’re being clever about it.
EDIT: Did I say “awkward”? My mistake. Make that “irritated and repulsed”.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:15:26am |
re: #850 DrTesla
i’m in Columbia sc right now. I grew up in Florence. I have lived in just bout every city in sc, and also Frederick md and Huntsville al. I think society is still kind of segregated for the most part. blacks and whites get along in the south but tend to hang out with ppl of their own race, go to churches that are all black or all white, etc. that’s my experience anyway. I think everybody feels awkward about race to some degree.
Still waiting for a response to my 813…
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:18:01am |
re: #843 NJDhockeyfan
Where the hell do you live? I’m in the south and I see all races hanging out with each other.
He meant Southie.
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:19:38am |
re: #850 DrTesla
i’m in Columbia sc right now. I grew up in Florence. I have lived in just bout every city in sc, and also Frederick md and Huntsville al. I think society is still kind of segregated for the most part. blacks and whites get along in the south but tend to hang out with ppl of their own race, go to churches that are all black or all white, etc. that’s my experience anyway. I think everybody feels awkward about race to some degree.
Please don’t project
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Varek Raith Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:19:56am |
re: #843 NJDhockeyfan
Where the hell do you live? I’m in the south and I see all races hanging out with each other.
Eh, Charlottesville really ain’t South.
;)
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FriendsofHummus Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:20:46am |
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:48am |
re: #853 Mattand
I feel awkward around people who race bait and think they’re being clever about it.
EDIT: Did I say “awkward”? My mistake. Make that “irritated and repulsed”.
how can you argue that i’m race baiting? what would I have to gain by doing that, i’m not after votes and i’m not even making a political point right now. my point is that whites and blacks still tned to feel awkward around each other b/c of our country’s past history of slavery and racism and segregration. I don’t see how this is even controversial. I think white people are always checking what they say around black people because of this cuz they don’t want to say something that is awkward.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:23:42am |
re: #859 DrTesla
In case you’re remotely serious: no, I don’t have to watch myself around my black friends, because I’m not likely to say anything racist.
The only person that has to watch what they say around a black person is a racist.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:26:20am |
re: #859 DrTesla
I think white people are always checking what they say around black people because of this cuz they don’t want to say something that is awkward.
The solution is not to say racist shit to anyone. That way, the potential for awkwardness is significantly reduced, if not eliminated.
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:27:20am |
re: #861 iossarian
The solution is to not
to saybe a racistshit to anyone. That way, the potential for awkwardness is significantly reduced, if not eliminated.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:29:23am |
Incidentally, I’d always wondered who the guy to MLK’s left (or on the right in the picture) is in the Selma-Montgomery march photo. He is indeed an African-American with a very light complexion: the Revd Jesse Douglas.
There is a neat little piece on him here:
[Link: townsquarebuzz.com…]
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:29:34am |
ok, I did some research and I found this at Reason.com and they don’t look to be Rush fans and this is what they say about Fluke:
Fluke claimed that “without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,” which translates into $1,000 a year, or about $83 a month. Even taking into account the cost of a medical appointment, that estimate seems high, since you can buy a month’s worth of birth control pills for less than $20 online or pay $9 for generic versions at Walmart. Condoms are about 50 cents each in packs of 12, and the amortized cost of a diaphragm, according to Planned Parenthood, averages about $2 a month.
Yet Fluke reported that two-fifths of female law students at Georgetown are “struggling” to pay for birth control, while some cannot afford it at all. If so, abstinence is always an option.
Cost aside, the essence of Fluke’s argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:30:31am |
re: #822 DrTesla
well bimbo was probably a little harsh. still, we all use words like bimbo in political talk. libs say that about coulter, michelle malkin, S.e. cup, etc.
I don’t use the word “bimbo” or “whore” when describing women I don’t like. But then, I’m not a misogynist.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:31:20am |
re: #859 DrTesla
I think white people are always checking what they say around black people because of this cuz they don’t want to say something that is awkward.
Speak for yourself.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:33:36am |
Maybe this is like with rapists. Most rapists think that other men are like them, and that they all really want to rape women but they’re just good at hiding it. Maybe most racist misogynistic bigoted selfish Randians think that everyone else is really that way too, and just hiding it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:34:23am |
re: #858 HappyWarrior
Damn Yankees and UVA.
I can’t tell you how many times I was called that since I’ve been here.
:)
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:34:48am |
re: #864 DrTesla
ok, I did some research and I found this at Reason.com and they don’t look to be Rush fans and this is what they say about Fluke:
Fluke claimed that “without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,” which translates into $1,000 a year, or about $83 a month. Even taking into account the cost of a medical appointment, that estimate seems high, since you can buy a month’s worth of birth control pills for less than $20 online or pay $9 for generic versions at Walmart. Condoms are about 50 cents each in packs of 12, and the amortized cost of a diaphragm, according to Planned Parenthood, averages about $2 a month.Yet Fluke reported that two-fifths of female law students at Georgetown are “struggling” to pay for birth control, while some cannot afford it at all. If so, abstinence is always an option.
Cost aside, the essence of Fluke’s argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns.
“If so, abstinence is always an option.”
Not if you’ve got Ovarian Cysts and need to take birth control pills for reasons unrelated to not getting pregnant.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:36:12am |
re: #866 Charles Johnson
Speak for yourself.
well, I don’t mean to project my views. but I would probably feel uncomfortable admitting that I don’t like Obama around a black person.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:36:38am |
re: #867 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Maybe this is like with rapists. Most rapists think that other men are like them, and that they all really want to rape women but they’re just good at hiding it. Maybe most racist misogynistic bigoted selfish Randians think that everyone else is really that way too, and just hiding it.
Andrew Ryan: In the end, the only thing that matters to me, is me. And the only thing that matters to you, is you.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:37:33am |
re: #870 DrTesla
well, I don’t mean to project my views. but I would probably feel uncomfortable admitting that I don’t like Obama around a black person.
I guess you have a hard time articulating your views without sounding like a racist then.
Try “I dislike Obama because I feel more money needs to be handed over to the upper class so that they will help restart the economy” next time.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:37:57am |
re: #864 DrTesla
ok, I did some research and I found this at Reason.com and they don’t look to be Rush fans and this is what they say about Fluke:
Fluke claimed that “without insurance coverage, contraception can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school,” which translates into $1,000 a year, or about $83 a month. Even taking into account the cost of a medical appointment, that estimate seems high, since you can buy a month’s worth of birth control pills for less than $20 online or pay $9 for generic versions at Walmart. Condoms are about 50 cents each in packs of 12, and the amortized cost of a diaphragm, according to Planned Parenthood, averages about $2 a month.Yet Fluke reported that two-fifths of female law students at Georgetown are “struggling” to pay for birth control, while some cannot afford it at all. If so, abstinence is always an option.
Cost aside, the essence of Fluke’s argument is that reproductive freedom requires free birth control. By the same logic, religious freedom requires kosher food subsidies, freedom of speech requires taxpayer-funded computers, and the right to keep and bear arms requires government-supplied guns.
More bullshit from you. There are many types of birth control options out there and it is determined by the doctor and the woman which is the best fit for her.
Once again, this wasn’t about FREE birth control. It was about birth control being covered on insurance policies that the students PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:05am |
re: #870 DrTesla
well, I don’t mean to project my views. but I would probably feel uncomfortable admitting that I don’t like Obama around a black person.
Well, as opposed to admitting that you don’t like Obama’s policies, yes, that would be a bit of a “tell” I suppose.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:44am |
re: #869 jamesfirecat
“If so, abstinence is always an option.”
Not if you’ve got Ovarian Cysts and need to take birth control pills for reasons unrelated to not getting pregnant.
well, the ovarian cyst thing isn’t all that relevant to the free birth control argument. it’s kind of a debate trick to use this exception to the rule to make your general argument. I understand why they include it though.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:53am |
re: #870 DrTesla
well, I don’t mean to project my views. but I would probably feel uncomfortable admitting that I don’t like Obama around a black person.
You don’t seem uncomfortable posting that on here.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:39:34am |
re: #876 NJDhockeyfan
You don’t seem uncomfortable posting that on here.
Funny how everyone seems white on the Internet, isn’t it?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:40:37am |
re: #875 DrTesla
well, the ovarian cyst thing isn’t all that relevant to the free birth control argument. it’s kind of a debate trick to use this exception to the rule to make your general argument. I understand why they include it though.
If a real life woman has that problem I wonder if she feels it ” isn’t all that relevant” to her.
Do you deny that women like that exist?
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:41:18am |
re: #875 DrTesla
well, the ovarian cyst thing isn’t all that relevant to the free birth control argument. it’s kind of a debate trick to use this exception to the rule to make your general argument. I understand why they include it though.
Bullshit again. If oral contraceptive isn’t covered by an insurance policy, it isn’t covered by an insurance policy, regardless of the need for it.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:41:38am |
re: #872 jamesfirecat
I guess you have a hard time articulating your views without sounding like a racist then.
Try “I dislike Obama because I feel more money needs to be handed over to the upper class so that they will help restart the economy” next time.
I have a hard time articulating my views, period. LOL
.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:42:25am |
re: #880 DrTesla
I have a hard time articulating my views, period. LOL
.
Really? I hadn’t noticed.
Still waiting for you to respond to my 813.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:48:03am |
re: #813 jamesfirecat
No because, I have heard plenty of white people called Neanderthals, but never heard a white person told to “take the bone out of their nose”
Tell you what lets do a quick little racist vision test.
Is this image racist?
[Link: browse.deviantart.com…]
Is this image racist?
i’m sure that image is racist, I never denied there are white racists who don’t like Obama mostly b/c of that. that doesn’t mean Obama is right on politics though.
also, a lot of democrats used to call Bush a chimp all the time. these were prominent democrat pundits doing this.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:49:21am |
re: #801 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
Can you cite the treaty for me? I can’t find it anywhere.
I cannot find the specific treaty - and in fact have been working from inferential statements on this. However, I’ll lay out the key points of the chain.
In 2011, Green Experts of Iran laid claim of the treaty - that Iran had agreed to turn over control of oil producing areas and allowed a base in exchange for support that included military support in the event of invasion. I was highly skeptical for multiple reasons. GEI is a known anti-Iran group with a questionable grasp on truth, it writes solely in farsi and so all its statements must be interpreted (I don’t speak farsi), and it’s most frequent replay cites are our friends such as Alex Jones.
However, soon after this the (in December) Major General Zhang Zhaozhong said during a presentation that China would defend Iran even if it were to lead to a third world war. Gen Zhang was then a professor of military theory at the PLA’s National Defense University - a nominal equivalent to USMA / USNA. He is a known primary advisor and spokesman for General Fang Fenghui (Chief of the PLA General Staff).
Also during late 2011 and through 2012, Chinese military vessels going through Gwahar, Pakistan, (known coop base for Chinese presence) began running through the eastern half of Iranian coastal waters as part of their movements.
Add that China is known to now have total control of processing from the Yadavaran field for 25 years, and has a shorter agreement for use of the South Pars field, and that news reports point out an agreement was made in February to build the Pasabandar base with Chinese assistance, use options, and (depending on report) control. The end result is that everything in the GEI report has been demonstrated at least to a minimal extent.
The supporting evidence is that the claimed treaty exists.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:49:46am |
re: #880 DrTesla
I have a hard time articulating my views, period
We’re sorry you’re too stupid to figure out how to say things without sounding like a dishonest, racist, homophobic, misogynistic mouth-breather who’s willfully ignorant to boot. It must be very painful for you 9_9
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:50:38am |
re: #879 Sionainn
Bullshit again. If oral contraceptive isn’t covered by an insurance policy, it isn’t covered by an insurance policy, regardless of the need for it.
is an ovarian cyst a cancerous tumor? I really have no idea what that is, but I would assume health insurance would cover a cancer, or pay for birth control pills for a medical purpose. could be wrong it happens a lot.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:52:47am |
As for the stupendously stupid “durr hurr, bush called a chimp therefore chimp not racist” argument:
The Coon Caricature: Blacks as Monkeys
President Bush, including the collage of comparisons re-presented to the right. The blogger was attempting to justify racism using a variation on one of the common excuses, that it’s okay to stereotype one group if others are likewise being stereotyped. The images associating President Bush with monkeys are distasteful and disrespectful. But they were not done to stereotype an entire race of human beings. Rather, they are an expression of anger toward the president’s conservative policies, including having chosen a war in Iraq which many Americans ultimately came to find unwarranted and mismanaged. And they were created to express frustration and disbelief that a man who, to them, seems so obviously dimwitted, could be twice elected President. These images of President Bush are ugly and personal. But they were not used to systematically discriminate against White Americans for several hundred years. Images like the one created of Michelle
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:53:39am |
re: #883 kirkspencer
A dude saying they’d do it is about a billion miles away from them doing it.
The usual purpose of a treaty is to be public. If the treaty is not public, it does not, functionally, exist. It leaves it open to anyone’s speculation as to whether the aid would actually come.
China is much more vulnerable to the US than the US is to China. If China were to enter into belligerence with the US, a ton of laws would go into effect that would strangle trading with China. This’d be a big blow to our economy but it would absolutely devastate China and they would not be able to continue military operations after what would happen to their economy.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:53:53am |
re: #882 DrTesla
i’m sure that image is racist, I never denied there are white racists who don’t like Obama mostly b/c of that. that doesn’t mean Obama is right on politics though.
also, a lot of democrats used to call Bush a chimp all the time. these were prominent democrat pundits doing this.
So would you say that this image is also racist?
[Link: politicalhumor.about.com…]
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:55:01am |
re: #888 jamesfirecat
Don’t bother engaging him on this point. This is all you’ll ever need to shoot down that derp.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:55:18am |
re: #835 iossarian
Not many non-Jewish people know this, but if you hang out with some Jewish people you will find that they are actually pretty cool and have cool dancing at their weddings and suchlike.
I, personally, am very comfortable around Jewish people.
Yeah but, how much stuff have you bought at the Zionist Mall?
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:59am |
re: #885 DrTesla
is an ovarian cyst a cancerous tumor? I really have no idea what that is, but I would assume health insurance would cover a cancer, or pay for birth control pills for a medical purpose. could be wrong it happens a lot.
An ovarian cyst is not cancer. Birth control pills used to prevent pregnancy IS a medical purpose. Notice the insurance companies aren’t saying one single word about having to provide contraceptive coverage? That’s because most policies provide coverage as it’s cheaper for the insurance companies than to pay for a pregnancy and all the attendant risks associated with it. The policies that don’t provide birth control coverage are those where religious nutcases tell the insurance company to take that coverage out. It’s bullshit and I can’t believe that you actually are arguing that this is an okay thing to do.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:57:31am |
re: #890 Vicious Babushka
Yeah but, how much stuff have you bought at the Zionist Mall?
Do you sell healthy bacon alternatives? I would be into that.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:01:03am |
re: #887 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
A dude saying they’d do it is about a billion miles away from them doing it.
The usual purpose of a treaty is to be public. If the treaty is not public, it does not, functionally, exist. It leaves it open to anyone’s speculation as to whether the aid would actually come.
China is much more vulnerable to the US than the US is to China. If China were to enter into belligerence with the US, a ton of laws would go into effect that would strangle trading with China. This’d be a big blow to our economy but it would absolutely devastate China and they would not be able to continue military operations after what would happen to their economy.
Obdi, that’s perfectly reasonable. That same argument says that there is no way WWI should have happened, either, given the relative strengths and strangulations of the parties.
In your own words, treaties are “usually” public. Add to this that a treaty between Iran and China will probably be in Farsi and Chinese. The treaty may exist but be difficult for me (who speaks neither with anything approaching usability much less fluency) to actually locate. That’s why I’m relying on supportive actions. China is building a base in Iran, and it has exclusive control of one and primary control of two other fields.
If crap is going down anyway that would cut their imports by ~15%, reasons to not tee off the country that’s cutting off the imports doesn’t really matter anymore.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:02:11am |
re: #891 Sionainn
An ovarian cyst is not cancer. Birth control pills used to prevent pregnancy IS a medical purpose. Notice the insurance companies aren’t saying one single word about having to provide contraceptive coverage? That’s because most policies provide coverage as it’s cheaper for the insurance companies than to pay for a pregnancy and all the attendant risks associated with it. The policies that don’t provide birth control coverage are those where religious nutcases tell the insurance company to take that coverage out. It’s bullshit and I can’t believe that you actually are arguing that this is an okay thing to do.
well, true, but also fluke went to a religious school and given the fact she appears to be an activist, i’m sure she knew what their policy is on BC coverage.
also, it’s my understanding there are 3 federally funded planned parenthood clinics near Georgetown where she and her friend with the big ovarian cyst could have secured free birth control. I would be shocked if fluke didn’t know that.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:24am |
I saw this on the internet about using birth control pills for an ovarian cyst:
Hormonal contraception has many health benefits for women, but treatment of ovarian cysts is not one of them. Although birth control pills are commonly prescribed for this reason, they do nothing except make the patient and her doctor feel better because, well, they are doing/prescribing something. According to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) Practice Bulletin on the Noncontraceptive Uses of Hormonal Contraceptives, “Combined oral contraceptives should not be used to treat existing functional ovarian cysts.”
The erroneous theory behind hormonal contraception preventing ovarian cysts probably originates from the way the pill works: the hormones in the pill suppress hormones in the brain, which then prevents ovulation. However, the ovaries aren’t always fully suppressed by the pill. Furthermore, studies have not shown any difference in the rate of detection of ovarian cysts in women on birth control pills (level II-2 evidence, Holt et al 1992). Unfortunately, many still believe the pill works for ovarian cysts so I’m not surprised that Ms. Fluke received this misinformation.
Ms. Fluke also writes that her friend who lost her ovary was suffering from polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). PCOS doesn’t typically produce large cysts, meaning the kind of cyst that would result in the loss of an ovary. Birth control pills are also not the “treatment” for PCOS. According to the ACOG Practice Bulletin on PCOS, the combined oral contraceptive is primarily used to treat irregular menstrual bleeding and excess facial hair growth that some women with PCOS experience.
While I have not had the chance to review the medical record of Ms. Fluke’s friend, the assertion that an ovary could be saved by the pill is simply not supported by the current medical evidence.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:08:40am |
re: #894 kirkspencer
Obdi, that’s perfectly reasonable. That same argument says that there is no way WWI should have happened, either, given the relative strengths and strangulations of the parties.
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It’s not the same at all. The situations are not in the least bit comparable.
In your own words, treaties are “usually” public. Add to this that a treaty between Iran and China will probably be in Farsi and Chinese. The treaty may exist but be difficult for me (who speaks neither with anything approaching usability much less fluency) to actually locate. That’s why I’m relying on supportive actions. China is building a base in Iran, and it has exclusive control of one and primary control of two other fields.
The point of a military assistance treaty is to demonstrate to the world the existence of the treaty. Otherwise there is no point to it, unless you think China actually wants a war to occur, in which case I’d ask why they want to crater their economy.
If crap is going down anyway that would cut their imports by ~15%, reasons to not tee off the country that’s cutting off the imports doesn’t really matter anymore.
What would be going down that would cut their imports by 15%?
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:09:08am |
re: #896 DrTesla
I saw this on the internet about using birth control pills for an ovarian cyst:
Hormonal contraception has many health benefits for women, but treatment of ovarian cysts is not one of them. Although birth control pills are commonly prescribed for this reason, they do nothing except make the patient and her doctor feel better because, well, they are doing/prescribing something. According to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) Practice Bulletin on the Noncontraceptive Uses of Hormonal Contraceptives, “Combined oral contraceptives should not be used to treat existing functional ovarian cysts.”
The erroneous theory behind hormonal contraception preventing ovarian cysts probably originates from the way the pill works: the hormones in the pill suppress hormones in the brain, which then prevents ovulation. However, the ovaries aren’t always fully suppressed by the pill. Furthermore, studies have not shown any difference in the rate of detection of ovarian cysts in women on birth control pills (level II-2 evidence, Holt et al 1992). Unfortunately, many still believe the pill works for ovarian cysts so I’m not surprised that Ms. Fluke received this misinformation.
Ms. Fluke also writes that her friend who lost her ovary was suffering from polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). PCOS doesn’t typically produce large cysts, meaning the kind of cyst that would result in the loss of an ovary. Birth control pills are also not the “treatment” for PCOS. According to the ACOG Practice Bulletin on PCOS, the combined oral contraceptive is primarily used to treat irregular menstrual bleeding and excess facial hair growth that some women with PCOS experience.
While I have not had the chance to review the medical record of Ms. Fluke’s friend, the assertion that an ovary could be saved by the pill is simply not supported by the current medical evidence.
Please use quotes when quoting, can’t tell what was quoted vs editorialized by you. Also, provide a source.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:10:24am |
re: #895 DrTesla
well, true, but also fluke went to a religious school and given the fact she appears to be an activist, i’m sure she knew what their policy is on BC coverage.
also, it’s my understanding there are 3 federally funded planned parenthood clinics near Georgetown where she and her friend with the big ovarian cyst could have secured free birth control. I would be shocked if fluke didn’t know that.
That’s not how that works. And while we’re at it you need to break the habit of saying it’s about “free” birth control. It isn’t, and saying so after being repeatedly corrected makes it feel like you’re not listening at best, at worst you’re provoking.
They pay for an insurance. That insurance pays for birth control. If they went to planned parenthood they would have to pay for an extra examination and would have to pay for their own birth control. Yes, it would be at a significantly reduced price but it would not be free - and it would be on top of insurance for which they are already paying.
The fact they are going to a religious school is relatively immaterial - or rather it’s a fuzzy definition of “religious school”. It does not require professors or students to be of the faith and practice of that religion. It obtains federal funds, funds which by constitutional interpretation cannot be given to aid, promote, or adhere to a particular religion. With those multiple factors of secularism involved, that particular sticking point is suspiciously biased.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:12:52am |
re: #898 geoffm33
here is the link [Link: drjengunter.wordpress.com…]
she appears to be pro-Fluke.
Fluke was no way qualified to be talking about ovarian cysts and the treatments for it to a congressional committee.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:14:55am |
re: #895 DrTesla
well, true, but also fluke went to a religious school and given the fact she appears to be an activist, i’m sure she knew what their policy is on BC coverage.
By that rationale, black people in the south should have just accepted that some restaurants had unfavorable seating policies, and taken their business elsewhere. The point, as made above, is that businesses and organizations in the US have to abide by certain laws. Being a “religious organization” does not necessarily exempt you from this.
also, it’s my understanding there are 3 federally funded planned parenthood clinics near Georgetown where she and her friend with the big ovarian cyst could have secured free birth control. I would be shocked if fluke didn’t know that.
Has it possibly escaped your attention that the same people who want to allow organizations to deny certain forms of health coverage to women also want to get rid of Planned Parenthood?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:16:24am |
re: #899 kirkspencer
That’s not how that works. And while we’re at it you need to break the habit of saying it’s about “free” birth control. It isn’t, and saying so after being repeatedly corrected makes it feel like you’re not listening at best, at worst you’re provoking.
They pay for an insurance. That insurance pays for birth control. If they went to planned parenthood they would have to pay for an extra examination and would have to pay for their own birth control. Yes, it would be at a significantly reduced price but it would not be free - and it would be on top of insurance for which they are already paying.
The fact they are going to a religious school is relatively immaterial - or rather it’s a fuzzy definition of “religious school”. It does not require professors or students to be of the faith and practice of that religion. It obtains federal funds, funds which by constitutional interpretation cannot be given to aid, promote, or adhere to a particular religion. With those multiple factors of secularism involved, that particular sticking point is suspiciously biased.
Georgetown receives federal funds? I thought it was a private college.
how did fluke and her friends manage to survive if they didn’t have enough money to even afford birth control? it seems like the costs of food, gas, rent,, would have been staggering in comparision to birth control costs, even if we concede she dropped 1000 bucks a year on it.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:16:32am |
Hey girls - don’t worry about us trying to get rid of one form your health coverage - we’re trying to get rid of the others too!
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:17:17am |
re: #900 DrTesla
You want to talk about who isn’t qualified to testify about contraceptive access before a congressional committee, be my guest. I think we could both agree that maybe it should include the people most affected by the decisions, yes?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:17:32am |
re: #901 iossarian
By that rationale, black people in the south should have just accepted that some restaurants had unfavorable seating policies, and taken their business elsewhere. The point, as made above, is that businesses and organizations in the US have to abide by certain laws. Being a “religious organization” does not necessarily exempt you from this.
Has it possibly escaped your attention that the same people who want to allow organizations to deny certain forms of health coverage to women also want to get rid of Planned Parenthood?
I don’t want to get rid of PP, I just don’t think tax dollars should go to fund abortions given 50% of the country thinks abortion is killing the fetus.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:21:19am |
re: #902 DrTesla
Georgetown receives federal funds? I thought it was a private college.
They receive large amounts of Federal money - you can look it up on various public data sources if you like. The main categories will be research funding and financial aid (mostly in the form of Pell Grants and subsidized loans).
how did fluke and her friends manage to survive if they didn’t have enough money to even afford birth control? it seems like the costs of food, gas, rent,, would have been staggering in comparision to birth control costs, even if we concede she dropped 1000 bucks a year on it.
It’s staggering that you are missing a relatively simple point: this is a health service for women that is under attack by the right wing. The relative cost of the item is not unimportant but it’s not the main aspect of this case, which is that women are being singled out to have a service denied to them on spurious grounds of “religious freedom”, and are then being subjected to vicious personal attacks when they push back.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:22:10am |
Well some of you guys have held up Fluke as the source authority on birth control but she clearly embellished things and didn’t know what she was talking about in general. Fluke appears to have used the ovarian cyst thing as cover for her general argument about birth control and she’s completely wrong about it, it appears. I don’t understand how somebody with no medical degree ends up talking to congress about ovarian cysts.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:23:13am |
re: #907 DrTesla
Well some of you guys have held up Fluke as the source authority on birth control but she clearly embellished things and didn’t know what she was talking about in general. Fluke appears to have used the ovarian cyst thing as cover for her general argument about birth control and she’s completely wrong about it, it appears. I don’t understand how somebody with no medical degree ends up talking to congress about ovarian cysts.
I saw you post something you found on the internet about it, but there wasn’t a link with it. Do you have the link?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:23:14am |
re: #906 iossarian
They receive large amounts of Federal money - you can look it up on various public data sources if you like. The main categories will be research funding and financial aid (mostly in the form of Pell Grants and subsidized loans).
It’s staggering that you are missing a relatively simple point: this is a health service for women that is under attack by the right wing. The relative cost of the item is not unimportant but it’s not the main aspect of this case, which is that women are being singled out to have a service denied to them on spurious grounds of “religious freedom”, and are then being subjected to vicious personal attacks when they push back.
loans go directly to the students, unless I don’t understand something, and the students pay those back. it’s not government money going to the school.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:24:21am |
re: #908 wrenchwench
I saw you post something you found on the internet about it, but there wasn’t a link with it. Do you have the link?
see Post 900, I put it up there.
here it is again, still on my clipboard.
[Link: drjengunter.wordpress.com…]
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:24:39am |
re: #905 DrTesla
I don’t want to get rid of PP, I just don’t think tax dollars should go to fund abortions given 50% of the country thinks abortion is killing the fetus.
What’s sad about this is the number of right-wing people who magically get around their deep-seated opposition to abortion when it’s their lives, or their relative’s lives, that are about to get disrupted by an unwanted pregnancy (I’m not even going into the medically necessary cases here).
When push comes to shove, there’s not much difference between the right and the left on real-world attitudes towards abortion. Which is to say, when you need it, you want it to be available.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:27:42am |
re: #904 klys
You want to talk about who isn’t qualified to testify about contraceptive access before a congressional committee, be my guest. I think we could both agree that maybe it should include the people most affected by the decisions, yes?
my impression of Fluke is that she does not lack for money. poor women out there aren’t going to Georgetown law and they don’t have time to go talk to congress about their birth control costs b/c they have to work, sometimes more than 1 job.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:28:55am |
re: #911 iossarian
What’s sad about this is the number of right-wing people who magically get around their deep-seated opposition to abortion when it’s their lives, or their relative’s lives, that are about to get disrupted by an unwanted pregnancy (I’m not even going into the medically necessary cases here).
When push comes to shove, there’s not much difference between the right and the left on real-world attitudes towards abortion. Which is to say, when you need it, you want it to be available.
I don’t think inconvenience is an excuse for an abortion. either abortion is killing a life or isn’t, that is all that is relevant to the debate.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:30:09am |
re: #910 DrTesla
see Post 900, I put it up there.
here it is again, still on my clipboard.
[Link: drjengunter.wordpress.com…]
According to that, PCOS is treated with BC pills, but that might not have saved the woman’s ovary. Still, she was denied a commonly used treatment for her disease. That isn’t right.
Fluke may not be medically qualified, but she seems to be politically qualified to talk about this issue.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:12am |
re: #913 DrTesla
I don’t think inconvenience is an excuse for an abortion. either abortion is killing a life or isn’t, that is all that is relevant to the debate.
That’s not all that’s relevant. The woman’s life and sovereignty of her person happens to be an issue too.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:26am |
re: #912 DrTesla
my impression of Fluke is that she does not lack for money. poor women out there aren’t going to Georgetown law and they don’t have time to go talk to congress about their birth control costs b/c they have to work, sometimes more than 1 job.
Not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that we should hear more from poor people in the national discourse, possibly by subsidizing their time so they don’t have to work quite such long hours?
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:31am |
re: #914 wrenchwench
Much more-so than the panel of old white men that the Republicans called to discuss the issue.
But apparently she’s too rich or something to have an opinion on birth control. Only poor women are allowed.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:31am |
re: #895 DrTesla
well, true, but also fluke went to a religious school and given the fact she appears to be an activist, i’m sure she knew what their policy is on BC coverage.
also, it’s my understanding there are 3 federally funded planned parenthood clinics near Georgetown where she and her friend with the big ovarian cyst could have secured free birth control. I would be shocked if fluke didn’t know that.
Do you seriously look at what insurance coverage is offered before taking a job or picking a school (and in this case, I believe the students were required to purchase the school’s insurance policy)? If by “activist,” you mean someone standing up for the rights of women, you’re damned straight she’s an activist as well as every woman on LGF as well as most of the men. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:49am |
re: #905 DrTesla
I don’t want to get rid of PP, I just don’t think tax dollars should go to fund abortions given 50% of the country thinks abortion is killing the fetus.
It’s still a legal procedure so I fail to see how people’s personal thoughts on the matter should affect what the government does or does not fund.
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iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:32:26am |
re: #913 DrTesla
I don’t think inconvenience is an excuse for an abortion. either abortion is killing a life or isn’t, that is all that is relevant to the debate.
My point is that this gets forgotten when right-wing families need abortions. It’s really about denying a service to a particular class of people, namely those who can’t afford the private/out-of-state/international options available to the wealthy.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:33:42am |
re: #912 DrTesla
my impression of Fluke is that she does not lack for money. poor women out there aren’t going to Georgetown law and they don’t have time to go talk to congress about their birth control costs b/c they have to work, sometimes more than 1 job.
So you’re saying that anyone who is poor enough to actually be effected by birth control costs… is so poor that they do not have time to complain about it.
Nice Catch 22 you got there.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:34:08am |
re: #897 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
It’s not the same at all. The situations are not in the least bit comparable.
The point of a military assistance treaty is to demonstrate to the world the existence of the treaty. Otherwise there is no point to it, unless you think China actually wants a war to occur, in which case I’d ask why they want to crater their economy.
What would be going down that would cut their imports by 15%?
Imprecision on my part. 15% of their imported oil comes from Iran. A war between Iran and Israel would reduce if not stop oil flows from Iran.
And yes the situation is comparable. Some of the mutual defense treaties were, according to most histories, surprises to various parties in WWI. They existed, but because they were in two foreign languages the politicians didn’t notice them - or care about them.
Bluntly, the fact is that Spokespeople for China have said that if Iran were attacked China would have to intervene. That these people haven’t been the president does not make their authority to speak or likelihood of knowledge any less.
There is obvious economic reason for their interference. At a minimum the fact that over 15% of imported oil comes from Iran, pretty much at just cost of production and shipping. China has a military presence in Iran providing security for the Yadavaran and South Azadegan fields over which it has sole production rights. They are building a port - or Iran’s building it with significant Iranian assistance - and will have a 45 year lease on it for military basing.
Words and actions, Obdi. Actions say there is an agreement if not a formal treaty.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:34:31am |
re: #913 DrTesla
I don’t think inconvenience is an excuse for an abortion. either abortion is killing a life or isn’t, that is all that is relevant to the debate.
Do you personally think abortion should be illegal?
I think it should be legal even if it is killing a life. Your thoughts?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:35:14am |
re: #901 iossarian
By that rationale, black people in the south should have just accepted that some restaurants had unfavorable seating policies, and taken their business elsewhere. The point, as made above, is that businesses and organizations in the US have to abide by certain laws. Being a “religious organization” does not necessarily exempt you from this.
Has it possibly escaped your attention that the same people who want to allow organizations to deny certain forms of health coverage to women also want to get rid of Planned Parenthood?
I think your analogy to segregation of blacks makes no sense. you are basically arguing that private companies cannot have any policy at all that some people in the government don’t agree with. nobody forced Fluke to go to Georgetown and there are a million of secular law schools out there. I wouldn’t doubt that she had to sign something when she enrolled saying she understood what their policy is on healthcare coverage.
I think Fluke needed to talk to Georgetown about her concerns about their coverage, why is our federal government the place she looked to go? That makes no sense to me .
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:37:00am |
re: #924 DrTesla
You said you’d be uncomfortable criticizing Obama in front of a black person. Are you uncomfortable criticizing Fluke in front women?
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:37:33am |
re: #916 iossarian
Not sure what your point is here. Are you saying that we should hear more from poor people in the national discourse, possibly by subsidizing their time so they don’t have to work quite such long hours?
i’m saying that if liberals want to lobby the government for free birth control, they ought to at least hire a medical expert to make their pitch. I can’t see too many companies wanting to hire Fluke to represent them, despite her law degree.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:37:52am |
re: #922 kirkspencer
Imprecision on my part. 15% of their imported oil comes from Iran. A war between Iran and Israel would reduce if not stop oil flows from Iran.
That’d have the effect of lowering the amount of oil on the market, not cutting 15% of the oil off from China.
And yes the situation is comparable. Some of the mutual defense treaties were, according to most histories, surprises to various parties in WWI. They existed, but because they were in two foreign languages the politicians didn’t notice them - or care about them.
The situation between the world at large now and pre-WWI is so different on so many levels I am baffled by how you can think they are similar in any way. For one thing, the martial histories involved.
Bluntly, the fact is that Spokespeople for China have said that if Iran were attacked China would have to intervene. That these people haven’t been the president does not make their authority to speak or likelihood of knowledge any less.
It means they said it. That means nothing.
There is obvious economic reason for their interference. At a minimum the fact that over 15% of imported oil comes from Iran, pretty much at just cost of production and shipping. China has a military presence in Iran providing security for the Yadavaran and South Azadegan fields over which it has sole production rights. They are building a port - or Iran’s building it with significant Iranian assistance - and will have a 45 year lease on it for military basing.
And? I don’t get how this leads to them fighting the US.
Words and actions, Obdi. Actions say there is an agreement if not a formal treaty.
No, they don’t. Their actions do nothing to say they would engage in open hostilities with the US. Or even aid Iran in the slightest, beyond securing the oil fields they have there.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:38:25am |
re: #924 DrTesla
you are basically arguing that private companies cannot have any policy at all that some people in the government don’t agree with.
Nope. I think he’s saying discrimination on the basis of sex is wrong. Do you disagree?
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:03am |
re: #924 DrTesla
I think Fluke needed to talk to Georgetown about her concerns about their coverage, why is our federal government the place she looked to go? That makes no sense to me .
You think Fluke called the government and demanded there be hearings on this?
Fluke first came to attention in the United States in February 2012, when Republicans refused to allow her to testify to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on the importance of requiring insurance plans to cover birth control during a discussion on whether insurance should have a contraception mandate.[5]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:28am |
re: #925 wrenchwench
You said you’d be uncomfortable criticizing Obama in front of a black person. Are you uncomfortable criticizing Fluke in front women?
yeah cuz I think a lot of women don’t like Fluke and probably more tough on her than El Rushbo was.
some Democrats make Fluke out to be a star but she still speaking for free at Democratic events and few people are even showing up. A star gets paid, and people show up to see a star.
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:47am |
re: #929 geoffm33
Instead we got a panel of old white men talking about birth control.
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geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:40:52am |
re: #926 DrTesla
i’m saying that if liberals want to lobby the government for free birth control, they ought to at least hire a medical expert to make their pitch. I can’t see too many companies wanting to hire Fluke to represent them, despite her law degree.
And how is it free? If she were in an insurance plan that offers contraceptives, it would be included in her premium, ie: not free. It would be as free as stiches.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:42:06am |
re: #928 wrenchwench
Nope. I think he’s saying discrimination on the basis of sex is wrong. Do you disagree?
no, this isn’t about gender discrimination, it’s about a private company being able to have a policy rooted in their religious faith.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:42:16am |
re: #930 DrTesla
yeah cuz I think a lot of women don’t like Fluke and probably more tough on her than El Rushbo was.
some Democrats make Fluke out to be a star but she still speaking for free at Democratic events and few people are even showing up. A star gets paid, and people show up to see a star.
Why do you think a lot of women don’t like Fluke?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:43:08am |
re: #933 DrTesla
no, this isn’t about gender discrimination, it’s about a private company being able to have a policy rooted in their religious faith.
And do you think they should be able to or not by the way?
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:43:32am |
re: #896 DrTesla
I saw this on the internet about using birth control pills for an ovarian cyst:
Hormonal contraception has many health benefits for women, but treatment of ovarian cysts is not one of them. Although birth control pills are commonly prescribed for this reason, they do nothing except make the patient and her doctor feel better because, well, they are doing/prescribing something. According to the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology (ACOG) Practice Bulletin on the Noncontraceptive Uses of Hormonal Contraceptives, “Combined oral contraceptives should not be used to treat existing functional ovarian cysts.”
The erroneous theory behind hormonal contraception preventing ovarian cysts probably originates from the way the pill works: the hormones in the pill suppress hormones in the brain, which then prevents ovulation. However, the ovaries aren’t always fully suppressed by the pill. Furthermore, studies have not shown any difference in the rate of detection of ovarian cysts in women on birth control pills (level II-2 evidence, Holt et al 1992). Unfortunately, many still believe the pill works for ovarian cysts so I’m not surprised that Ms. Fluke received this misinformation.
Ms. Fluke also writes that her friend who lost her ovary was suffering from polycystic ovarian syndrome (PCOS). PCOS doesn’t typically produce large cysts, meaning the kind of cyst that would result in the loss of an ovary. Birth control pills are also not the “treatment” for PCOS. According to the ACOG Practice Bulletin on PCOS, the combined oral contraceptive is primarily used to treat irregular menstrual bleeding and excess facial hair growth that some women with PCOS experience.
While I have not had the chance to review the medical record of Ms. Fluke’s friend, the assertion that an ovary could be saved by the pill is simply not supported by the current medical evidence.
Moron. Birth control pills are one of the ways used to treat PCOS. Your own (not cited) link states that. Mayo Clinic
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:44:15am |
re: #931 klys
Instead we got a panel of old white men talking about birth control.
well I think that you could find a panel of old white men who know more about than Fluke, especially if she truly spends 1000 a year on it. I know that I could secure it for much chceaper than that! LOL
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:44:34am |
re: #933 DrTesla
So you believe that a business run by Jehovah’s Witnesses should be able to deny coverage of any surgery that requires blood transfusions to an employee who is not a Jehovah’s Witness?
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:45:00am |
re: #902 DrTesla
Georgetown receives federal funds? I thought it was a private college.
how did fluke and her friends manage to survive if they didn’t have enough money to even afford birth control? it seems like the costs of food, gas, rent,, would have been staggering in comparision to birth control costs, even if we concede she dropped 1000 bucks a year on it.
re government: “In 2012 and 2011, grant and contract revenue, excluding direct lending, which is a pass through activity, earned from governmental sources totaled $167,290,000 and $172,366,000, respectively.” (2012 financial report, page 9.)
“in comparison to”. Not “in addition to?”
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:48:25am |
re: #923 jamesfirecat
Do you personally think abortion should be illegal?
I think it should be legal even if it is killing a life. Your thoughts?
I appreciate your sincerity on that, at least. I wish Democrats would say that openly.
I think it should be banned with exceptions for rape and death of mother. I think at some point it will be. it’s going to take awhile, like slavery did.
| 941 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:49:11am |
re: #933 DrTesla
no, this isn’t about gender discrimination, it’s about a private company being able to have a policy rooted in their religious faith.
You are full of crap. A secular company can not use the religious faith of its owners to force that faith on its employees who may be of another faith.
Even a church or a synagogue or a mosque can’t force its employees of a different faith to follow their religious laws, unless following that faith is an integral requirement of the job, for example: RABBI WANTED TO LEAD SYNAGOGUE. MUST BE JEWISH.
| 942 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:49:36am |
re: #924 DrTesla
I think your analogy to segregation of blacks makes no sense. you are basically arguing that private companies cannot have any policy at all that some people in the government don’t agree with.
On the contrary. I am arguing that the Federal Government can pass laws and otherwise regulate the activity of organizations in order to prevent discrimination. This is what has historically happened in these situations.
nobody forced Fluke to go to Georgetown and there are a million of secular law schools out there.
This is exactly the pro-segregation argument in private businesses.
| 943 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:49:45am |
re: #940 DrTesla
I appreciate your sincerity on that, at least. I wish Democrats would say that openly.
I think it should be banned with exceptions for rape and death of mother. I think at some point it will be. it’s going to take awhile, like slavery did.
Why do you feel it should be banned?
I feel that even if we grant the Fetus all the rights of a living human being…
Where does it get the right to use the mother’s organs without her agreement?
Which is more important to you, saving a life or the mother controlling her organs?
| 944 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:49:51am |
re: #941 Vicious Babushka
RABBI WANTED TO LEAD SYNAGOGUE. MUST BE JEWISH.
That may be my favorite line ever. Thank you for making me laugh.
| 945 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:50:48am |
the thing about abortion is it has the potential to be the issue that crushes the Democrat party if public sentiment ever shifts strongly in opposition to it. democrats won’t ever give it up no matter what. it could be their gay marriage, so to speak.
| 946 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:51:43am |
re: #941 Vicious Babushka
You are full of crap. A secular company can not use the religious faith of its owners to force that faith on its employees who may be of another faith.
Even a church or a synagogue or a mosque can’t force its employees of a different faith to follow their religious laws, unless following that faith is an integral requirement of the job, for example: RABBI WANTED TO LEAD SYNAGOGUE. MUST BE JEWISH.
ok, so why couldn’t Fluke get her birth control covered at Georgetown? The answer proves you wrong. :)
| 947 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:52:05am |
re: #945 DrTesla
the thing about abortion is it has the potential to be the issue that crushes the Democrat party if public sentiment ever shifts strongly in opposition to it. democrats won’t ever give it up no matter what. it could be their gay marriage, so to speak.
What’s your point?
Could you please stick to the argument at hand why I am trying to show in a reasonable society public sentiment will never shift strongly against abortion?
| 948 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:53:10am |
re: #945 DrTesla
the thing about abortion is it has the potential to be the issue that crushes the Democrat party if public sentiment ever shifts strongly in opposition to it. democrats won’t ever give it up no matter what. it could be the issue that haunts them, like gay marriage and immigration haunt Republicans
| 949 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:53:43am |
re: #946 DrTesla
ok, so why couldn’t Fluke get her birth control covered at Georgetown? The answer proves you wrong. :)
What is the answer?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:54:43am |
re: #946 DrTesla
ok, so why couldn’t Fluke get her birth control covered at Georgetown? The answer proves you wrong. :)
Oh wait, Fluke never even said that Georgetown should cover HER OWN BIRTH CONTROL as Rush made such an issue about.
| 951 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:55:32am |
re: #933 DrTesla
no, this isn’t about gender discrimination, it’s about a private company being able to have a policy rooted in their religious faith.
At this time a private company may not have a policy rooted in its religious faith, or the religious faith of its owners, where that policy is contradicted by the laws of the nation or state. Employment Division v. Smith resolved that the right to exercise religion freely doesn’t relieve people of the obligation to comply with a valid and neutral law.
| 952 |
bubba zanetti Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:55:39am |
re: #926 DrTesla
i’m saying that if liberals want to lobby the government for free birth control, they ought to at least hire a medical expert to make their pitch.
Fluke didn’t decide that her friend should use birth control pills as a treatment. She noted that her friend’s insurance didn’t cover the pills that were prescribed by her doctor.
| 953 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:56:38am |
re: #945 DrTesla
the thing about abortion is it has the potential to be the issue that crushes the Democrat party if public sentiment ever shifts strongly in opposition to it
Keep dreaming the impossible dream, woman-hating moron :)
NBC/WSJ Poll: For the First Time, a Majority Want Legal Abortion
What’s more, seven in 10 respondents oppose Roe v. Wade being overturned, which is the highest percentage on this question since 1989.
| 954 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:58:09am |
re: #942 iossarian
On the contrary. I am arguing that the Federal Government can pass laws and otherwise regulate the activity of organizations in order to prevent discrimination. This is what has historically happened in these situations.
This is exactly the pro-segregation argument in private businesses.
I think you are guilty of a category error here. Your argument is specious, meaning it looks good but it is horrible. :)
| 955 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:59:16am |
re: #953 Interesting Times
Keep dreaming the impossible dream, woman-hating moron :)
NBC/WSJ Poll: For the First Time, a Majority Want Legal Abortion
I never said a majority oppose it now. a majority of people used to support slavery back in the day. I’m forecasting way out into the future.
| 956 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:59:50am |
re: #930 DrTesla
yeah cuz I think a lot of women don’t like Fluke and probably more tough on her than El Rushbo was.
some Democrats make Fluke out to be a star but she still speaking for free at Democratic events and few people are even showing up. A star gets paid, and people show up to see a star.
I thought she was an activist.
| 957 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:00:50pm |
re: #933 DrTesla
no, this isn’t about gender discrimination, it’s about a private company being able to have a policy rooted in their religious faith.
How does ‘rooted in their religious faith’ differ from ‘gender discrimination’?
| 958 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:01:01pm |
re: #950 Vicious Babushka
Oh wait, Fluke never even said that Georgetown should cover HER OWN BIRTH CONTROL as Rush made such an issue about.
I wonder why the woman with the large Ovarian cyst didn’t talk, rather than Fluke. I think it is kind of lame to get up in front of Congress and talk about your friend. That’s not how a medical expert would approach it.
| 959 |
geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:02:25pm |
re: #958 DrTesla
I wonder why the woman with the large Ovarian cyst didn’t talk, rather than Fluke. I think it is kind of lame to get up in front of Congress and talk about your friend. That’s not how a medical expert would approach it.
Or maybe she could have filled in for the poor woman that works two jobs so she could have attended.
| 960 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:02:25pm |
re: #945 DrTesla
the thing about abortion is it has the potential to be the issue that crushes the Democrat party if public sentiment ever shifts strongly in opposition to it. democrats won’t ever give it up no matter what. it could be their gay marriage, so to speak.
Are you too young to remember when women were dying because they couldn’t get safe abortions?
| 961 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:03:06pm |
re: #960 wrenchwench
Are you too young to remember when women were dying because they couldn’t get safe abortions?
Women still are, because of the restrictions on abortion put in place by the GOP.
| 962 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:03:12pm |
re: #958 DrTesla
Please proceed. As I said upthread, sexist, knuckle-dragging troglodytes like yourself are the best argument to vote Democrat there is.
| 963 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:03:31pm |
Attempting to summarize:
- has questions about Benghazi
- questions why it took so long for Obama to release his birth certificate
- thinks Rush is cool
- isn’t sure about evolution (intelligent design is much more logical)
- AGW is a old-hat hoax
- who cares what we teach in schools anyway?
- women know nothing about birth control which is why it’s fine for only men to testify
- women can just avoid having sex if they don’t want to be pregnant
- claims a job which supposedly requires critical thinking and logic (although I’ve met my share of idiotic ME students so…that one could be plausible)
Did I miss any major RW talking points? Or did this cover it?
| 964 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:04:00pm |
I think it completely undercuts Fluke’s argument that birth control must be covered by every school if she makes a big deal about a condition that is not treated by contraceptives.
| 965 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:04:28pm |
re: #958 DrTesla
I wonder why the woman with the large Ovarian cyst didn’t talk, rather than Fluke. I think it is kind of lame to get up in front of Congress and talk about your friend. That’s not how a medical expert would approach it.
She’s not a medical expert and did not claim to be one. She’s a political expert.
| 966 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:04:34pm |
re: #960 wrenchwench
Are you too young to remember when women were dying because they couldn’t get safe abortions?
I thought that was b/c of the sequester? Zing
| 967 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:06pm |
re: #964 DrTesla
Thank you, oh medical expert (along with ME, man, how do you find time to work?), for telling us that the doctor who prescribed the treatment for her friend was wrong.
| 968 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:07pm |
re: #964 DrTesla
I think it completely undercuts Fluke’s argument that birth control must be covered by every school if she makes a big deal about a condition that is not treated by contraceptives.
Your own link said it IS a treatment, just that it might not have saved the woman’s ovary.
Do you read what you post?
| 969 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:09pm |
re: #965 wrenchwench
She’s not a medical expert and did not claim to be one. She’s a political expert.
what are the credentials required to be a political expert? LOL
| 970 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:18pm |
re: #958 DrTesla
I wonder why the woman with the large Ovarian cyst didn’t talk, rather than Fluke. I think it is kind of lame to get up in front of Congress and talk about your friend. That’s not how a medical expert would approach it.
Have you watched many congressional hearings? Seriously, have you?
Have you not seen how often this sort of thing gets scheduled? If you’ve watched many, you would.
| 971 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:29pm |
re: #964 DrTesla
The source you cited actually said that it was, and there is no doubt that many women are prescribed birth control for that purpose.
See, this is what I mean. Your ludicrously bad arguments are kind of fun to bat around, but when you just flat out lie it’s completely boring.
Why lie?
| 972 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:05:38pm |
re: #966 DrTesla
I thought that was b/c of the sequester? Zing
Oh, haha. Dead fetus=bad. Dead women=joke.
| 973 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:06pm |
re: #969 DrTesla
what are the credentials required to be a political expert? LOL
Over the age of 18. Able to speak in public.
| 974 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:19pm |
re: #967 klys
Thank you, oh medical expert (along with ME, man, how do you find time to work?), for telling us that the doctor who prescribed the treatment for her friend was wrong.
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
| 975 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:32pm |
re: #964 DrTesla
I think it completely undercuts Fluke’s argument that birth control must be covered by every school if she makes a big deal about a condition that is not treated by contraceptives.
I think it completely undercuts your arguments when you consistently mis-represent Fluke’s argument.
| 976 |
Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:37pm |
re: #966 DrTesla
I thought that was b/c of the sequester? Zing
Oh, you lack empathy. That makes sense.
| 977 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:12pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
You know, there are black people who post here. Don’t you feel uncomfortable now?
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bubba zanetti Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:15pm |
re: #963 klys
- women can just avoid having sex if they don’t want to be pregnant
You can cancel that country club membership. Why should my premiums pay for your copays on NSAIDs to treat your tennis elbow?
Tennis is a choice.
| 979 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:22pm |
re: #966 DrTesla
I thought that was b/c of the sequester? Zing
Government funding can’t go to pay for abortions so your joke about cutting back government funding makes no sense.
By the way when are you going to address my 943?
I want to have an argument with you on the ethics of abortion…
| 980 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:07:29pm |
re: #973 wrenchwench
Over the age of 18. Able to speak in public.
So you want freshman in college essentially dictating to congress what our policies should be? Seems like a bad idea. LOL
| 981 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:08:14pm |
re: #966 DrTesla
By the way, if, according to you, abortion is akin to slavery and ends a human life, why would you support it in the case of rape? If an embryo counts as full, sentient human whose rights override the mother’s, it shouldn’t matter how it was conceived.
| 982 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:08:23pm |
re: #980 DrTesla
So you want freshman in college essentially dictating to congress what our policies should be? Seems like a bad idea. LOL
Testifying does not equal dictating.
You are not very smart, I think.
| 983 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:09:23pm |
re: #977 wrenchwench
You know, there are black people who post here. Don’t you feel uncomfortable now?
nah cuz I’m on the internet. my point is black peole seem to really love Obama so if I said he sucked or I thin the economy sucks due to his policies, I think it could be awkward. I’d always be scared that they think I’m a racist.
| 984 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:09:56pm |
re: #982 wrenchwench
At first I thought he was a stalker blog denizen trolling for teh lulz, but no, it’s simply not possible to be that good an actor. The derp is all too real o_O
| 985 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:38pm |
re: #983 DrTesla
nah cuz I’m on the internet. my point is black peole seem to really love Obama so if I said he sucked or I thin the economy sucks due to his policies, I think it could be awkward. I’d always be scared that they think I’m a racist.
Think you are, or figure out that you are?
| 986 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:48pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
ok, this is stupid. See, I’ve been unemployed for five years. But I’ve found jobs for half a dozen engineer friends within a few months. Mechanical engineer unemployment rates are well under the 1% level. Current MechE time between jobs is averaging less than a month. So if you’re unemployed and blaming Obama I’ve got to wonder what the backstory is; how long you have been unemployed.
Let’s take this sideways. What field of meche are you trying to get into? what’s your background? I’ll see if it’s one of those for which i can send you a chance.
| 987 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:49pm |
re: #983 DrTesla
nah cuz I’m on the internet. my point is black peole seem to really love Obama so if I said he sucked or I thin the economy sucks due to his policies, I think it could be awkward. I’d always be scared that they think I’m a racist.
That whole “comfortable around black people” thing is looking a little leaky there.
| 988 |
engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:55pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
yet more evidence that the troll entity is not an actual engineer
i mean, besides the fact that it couldn’t answer any engineering questions
| 989 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:11:27pm |
re: #981 Interesting Times
By the way, if, according to you, abortion is akin to slavery and ends a human life, why would you support it in the case of rape? If an embryo counts as full, sentient human whose rights override the mother’s, it shouldn’t matter how it was conceived.
the rape scenario is one of the true gray areas out there but if we can eliminate the majority of abortions with an exception for the rape scenario, it’s much better than making it our hill to die on.
| 990 |
engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:11:55pm |
re: #986 kirkspencer
ok, this is stupid. See, I’ve been unemployed for five years. But I’ve found jobs for half a dozen engineer friends within a few months. Mechanical engineer unemployment rates are well under the 1% level. Current MechE time between jobs is averaging less than a month. So if you’re unemployed and blaming Obama I’ve got to wonder what the backstory is; how long you have been unemployed.
Let’s take this sideways. What field of meche are you trying to get into? what’s your background? I’ll see if it’s one of those for which i can send you a chance.
backstory: he’s lying
| 991 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:32pm |
re: #989 DrTesla
the rape scenario is one of the true gray areas out there but if we can eliminate the majority of abortions with an exception for the rape scenario, it’s much better than making it our hill to die on.
Why should abortion be illegal?
Why is it wrong ethically?
Can we discuss this first before we talk about how to go about making it illegal and in what cases to make it illegal?
| 992 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:50pm |
re: #986 kirkspencer
ok, this is stupid. See, I’ve been unemployed for five years. But I’ve found jobs for half a dozen engineer friends within a few months. Mechanical engineer unemployment rates are well under the 1% level. Current MechE time between jobs is averaging less than a month. So if you’re unemployed and blaming Obama I’ve got to wonder what the backstory is; how long you have been unemployed.
Let’s take this sideways. What field of meche are you trying to get into? what’s your background? I’ll see if it’s one of those for which i can send you a chance.
there are jobs out there but you have to be willing to move to places like Texas or DC. I took a good paying job out in Houston last summer but jus didn’t want to be out there. there aren’t nearly as many job opportunities everywhere like there were in the Bush years.
| 993 |
iossarian Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:13:03pm |
re: #989 DrTesla
the rape scenario is one of the true gray areas out there
Why is it a gray area? Does the harm imposed on the mother by pregnancy have any bearing on the acceptability of abortion?
| 994 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:13:06pm |
re: #989 DrTesla
the rape scenario is one of the true gray areas out there but if we can eliminate the majority of abortions with an exception for the rape scenario, it’s much better than making it our hill to die on.
Why not focus on reducing abortions by making contraception available for people who, oh, let’s say, have health insurance from Catholic universities?
Too hard?
| 995 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:07pm |
re: #991 jamesfirecat
Why should abortion be illegal?
Why is it wrong ethically?
Can we discuss this first before we talk about how to go about making it illegal and in what cases to make it illegal?
well i’m not going to convince you that abortion is wrong or should be banned. let’s not get off into that. everybody knows the arguments for and against it I would think
| 996 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:07pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
re: #992 DrTesla
there are jobs out there but you have to be willing to move to places like Texas or DC. I took a good paying job out in Houston last summer but jus didn’t want to be out there. there aren’t nearly as many job opportunities everywhere like there were in the Bush years.
| 997 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:14:33pm |
re: #989 DrTesla
the rape scenario is one of the true gray areas
Why do you call it a “gray area”?
if we can eliminate the majority of abortions
And yet you oppose policies that make birth control easier to get? Lulz.
with an exception for the rape scenario
How will you determine whether or not a woman qualifies for the rape exception? Is her word good enough? Or does she have to “prove” it? If so, how?
| 998 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:15:07pm |
I am willing to die on the hill of “A woman should be able to go out, have a one night stand, never call the guy back, find out she’s pregnant, and then get an abortion because she figures the odds are against her getting pregnant so she doesn’t take the pill and do it as many times as she wants.”
Doctor Tesla do you want to have a debate on if abortion should be legal in this case or not?
| 999 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:15:49pm |
OK, I’ve earned my share of the gamey buttocks. Heavily marinated and very well done, please.
Back to the dirty bicycles.
| 1000 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:16:23pm |
re: #995 DrTesla
well i’m not going to convince you that abortion is wrong or should be banned. let’s not get off into that. everybody knows the arguments for and against it I would think
Come on please?!
I want to hear your argument!
How can I know I’m really right if everyone just agrees with me?
How can you want abortion to be illegal but refuse to have a debate on why? How can you feel so passionately about it but refuse to discuss it?
| 1001 |
Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:16:41pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and quit expecting Obama to give you a job. If you were so smart, you’d have taken your education and figured out a way to use your skills in a new and different way. Flexibility is key.
| 1002 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:18:09pm |
if I was a racist, I would admit it. i’m extremely sincere person. I guess you could say being uncomfortable talking about politics and other subjects around blacks is a form of racism.
| 1003 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:20:03pm |
re: #995 DrTesla
well i’m not going to convince you that abortion is wrong or should be banned. let’s not get off into that. everybody knows the arguments for and against it I would think
If you know my argument for why it should be legal why do you think it should still be illegal what part of it do you find unconvincing?
Come on I really want to have this debate, I feel super strongly about it and you clearly feel strongly about abortion also, how come you do not want to try and convince if not me other people who might be reading this thread?
Don’t you enjoy getting into discussions and conversations on important issues?
| 1004 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:20:59pm |
re: #992 DrTesla
there are jobs out there but you have to be willing to move to places like Texas or DC. I took a good paying job out in Houston last summer but jus didn’t want to be out there. there aren’t nearly as many job opportunities everywhere like there were in the Bush years.
ok, stop. You had a good paying job, there are more good paying jobs, but you don’t want to go there. So that’s Obama’s fault?
Do not complain about anyone else suffering because they ‘just want’ again. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. When you grow up enough to realize that if you want work you have to go where the work is instead of whine because your perfect world doesn’t exist, ask for help and I will see what I can do. In the meantime, stop being a selfish child.
| 1005 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:21:20pm |
re: #885 DrTesla
is an ovarian cyst a cancerous tumor? I really have no idea what that is, but I would assume health insurance would cover a cancer, or pay for birth control pills for a medical purpose. could be wrong it happens a lot.
See, this is how we know you’re lying when you said you read Sandra Fluke’s testimony.
| 1006 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:24:16pm |
re: #896 DrTesla
I saw this on the internet […]
LOL, “I saw this on the internet” with no citation or link. That’s totally credible.
| 1007 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:25:42pm |
I think conservatives have won the debate on abortion on the merits. we have the moral high ground on it. it is hard to believe that a fetus with brain waves, beating heart, developed nervous system and abiity to feel pain, etc isn’t life.
| 1008 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:26:52pm |
re: #1007 DrTesla
I think conservatives have won the debate on abortion on the merits. we have the moral high ground on it. it is hard to believe that a fetus with brain waves, beating heart, developed nervous system and abiity to feel pain, etc isn’t life.
What about my argument?
I argue that it is life yes… but the problem is… does the fact mater in the grand legal scheme of things?
I will give a fetus all the rights of a fully born human being, killing it out right for no reason is murder. For example if a pregnant woman is killed it can be charged as a double homicide.
But… does the fetus have the right to use the mother’s organs if she does not want him/her/it to?
| 1009 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:27:29pm |
re: #905 DrTesla
I don’t want to get rid of PP, I just don’t think tax dollars should go to fund abortions given 50% of the country thinks abortion is killing the fetus.
No tax dollars goes to fund abortions.
Whether they should or not is another story. IMO, they should, but right now they certainly do not, at PP or anywhere else.
You are the stupidest, most boring troll I can remember.
| 1010 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:27:34pm |
re: #1004 kirkspencer
ok, stop. You had a good paying job, there are more good paying jobs, but you don’t want to go there. So that’s Obama’s fault?
Do not complain about anyone else suffering because they ‘just want’ again. The hypocrisy is overwhelming. When you grow up enough to realize that if you want work you have to go where the work is instead of whine because your perfect world doesn’t exist, ask for help and I will see what I can do. In the meantime, stop being a selfish child.
I never said it wasa Obama’s fault re: this one job or that i’m unemployed in general. I do blame him for the lack of job opportunies in this country, he is the most anti-corporation prizzy we have ever elected and that does impact the private sector.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:27:45pm |
re: #1007 DrTesla
I think conservatives have won the debate on abortion on the merits. we have the moral high ground on it. it is hard to believe that a fetus with brain waves, beating heart, developed nervous system and abiity to feel pain, etc isn’t life.
You cannot force a woman to carry a pregnancy to term. Pregnancy is always a risk for the mother and it is her choice whether she wants to take that risk or not. Period.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:29:30pm |
re: #1011 Sionainn
Notice the chickenshit little woman-hater couldn’t answer me when I asked whether he’d force women seeking an abortion due to rape to “prove” it, and if so, how.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:29:35pm |
re: #912 DrTesla
my impression of Fluke is that she does not lack for money.
Two things: (a) she’s going to Georgetown on a scholarship, and (b) she wasn’t talking about herself but as a spokesperson for a large group of people, her peers.
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:30:12pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
re: #992 DrTesla
there are jobs out there but you have to be willing to move to places like Texas or DC. I took a good paying job out in Houston last summer but jus didn’t want to be out there. there aren’t nearly as many job opportunities everywhere like there were in the Bush years.
re: #1010 DrTesla
I never said it wasa Obama’s fault re: this one job or that i’m unemployed in general. I do blame him for the lack of job opportunies in this country, he is the most anti-corporation prizzy we have ever elected and that does impact the private sector.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:30:26pm |
re: #1012 Interesting Times
Notice the chickenshit little woman-hater couldn’t answer me when I asked whether he’d force women seeking an abortion due to rape to “prove” it, and if so, how.
Yes, I noticed that.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:00pm |
i’m a sucker for babies and animals so you wont ever convince me abortion is legit.
I’ve always thought that if men were somehow the ones to get pregnant, but everything else about men and women stayed the same, nearly every woman in the country would be anti—abortion and it would be banned b/c it is the natural state of women to oppose abortion. the thing about pro-choice women is the vast majority have huge guilt over it and it reveals itselt in form of anger.
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wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:01pm |
re: #1007 DrTesla
I think conservatives have won the debate on abortion on the merits. we have the moral high ground on it. it is hard to believe that a fetus with brain waves, beating heart, developed nervous system and abiity to feel pain, etc isn’t life.
OK, one more.
Dead women does not equal ‘moral high ground’. Nobody says that ‘a fetus with brain waves, beating heart, developed nervous system and abiity to feel pain, etc isn’t life’. What they do say is that an embryo with none of those things does not count for more than a woman, and a fetus with some of those things does not count for more than a woman, and a fetus with all of those things does not count for more than a woman. So if you count all of those as more than a woman, you have taken the most sexist, anti-human low ground since slave holders.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:30pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
Fetuses aren’t babies.
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engineer cat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:32:19pm |
re: #1010 DrTesla
I never said it wasa Obama’s fault re: this one job or that i’m unemployed in general. I do blame him for the lack of job opportunies in this country, he is the most anti-corporation prizzy we have ever elected and that does impact the private sector.
prizzy ronald reagan raised taxes and prizzy george bush had the worst job creation record since prizzy ford
| 1021 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:32:36pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
i’m a sucker for babies and animals so you wont ever convince me abortion is legit.
I’ve always thought that if men were somehow the ones to get pregnant, but everything else about men and women stayed the same, nearly every woman in the country would be anti—abortion and it would be banned b/c it is the natural state of women to oppose abortion. the thing about pro-choice women is the vast majority have huge guilt over it and it reveals itselt in form of anger.
Can you please answer my question? I’m trying to convince you through simple, logical and polite argument and if my argument is flawed I want you to show me how!
Does a fetus have the rights to use the mother’s organs without her wanting him/her/it to?
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:34:38pm |
re: #1010 DrTesla
I never said it wasa Obama’s fault re: this one job or that i’m unemployed in general. I do blame him for the lack of job opportunies in this country, he is the most anti-corporation prizzy we have ever elected and that does impact the private sector.
Do you grok the english language? ‘It is not his fault, but it is his fault that the jobs are not there’ is the essence of what you just said.
Oh, and even though it’s yet another talking point I’m going to challenge the “most anti-corporation [president] we’ve ever had.” Given corporate profits are up, given that the market is up, I’m going to have to ask what basis you have for your claim.
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Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:34:45pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
the thing about pro-choice women is the vast majority have huge guilt over it
Stuff this down your craw :)
I’mNotSorry.net was created for the purpose of showing women that exercising their legal right to terminate their pregnancy is not the blood-spattered guilt trip so many make it out to be. It is not intended to make women’s decisions for them, but to provide information to make the choice that will be best for them. This site exists to tell women that it’s okay not to feel sad or ashamed after an abortion. You are not a baby killer. You are not irresponsible. You are not selfish. And, above all, you are not evil.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:35:17pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
i’m a sucker for babies and animals so you wont ever convince me abortion is legit.
I’ve always thought that if men were somehow the ones to get pregnant, but everything else about men and women stayed the same, nearly every woman in the country would be anti—abortion and it would be banned b/c it is the natural state of women to oppose abortion. the thing about pro-choice women is the vast majority have huge guilt over it and it reveals itselt in form of anger.
What the hell are you babbling about? I’m pro-choice, never had an abortion, and I have no guilt whatsoever about my pro-choice stance. Yes, I’m angry, very angry…at men who sanctimoniously decide what a woman can and cannot do with her own body.
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klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:05pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
I’m curious about this ‘vast majority of women’ that you know, because most of what you’ve said here makes me think that you don’t actually talk much with women about women’s issues at all.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:37:03pm |
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here. it’s legal so wut I think doesn’t matter.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:37:30pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
Also, he’s black.
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Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:38:03pm |
re: #1026 DrTesla
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here. it’s legal so wut I think doesn’t matter.
Then don’t debate abortion here.
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Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:38:43pm |
re: #1026 DrTesla
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here. it’s legal so wut I think doesn’t matter.
Yet, you don’t have a problem with Limbaugh calling Sandra Fluke a slut, don’t have a problem with insurance companies not covering contraception, don’t have a problem with forcing women to carry pregnancies to term.
| 1030 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:05pm |
re: #1025 klys
I’m curious about this ‘vast majority of women’ that you know, because most of what you’ve said here makes me think that you don’t actually talk much with women about women’s issues at all.
haha, well I don’t do that good with women, i’ll be honest.
young women tend to hate you if you tell them you are pro life. usuaully I keep it in the closet. that episode of seinfield where Elaine d umps her boyfriend b/c he is pro life is hilarious cuz that happens all the time.
| 1031 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:10pm |
re: #1026 DrTesla
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here.
Because you’re too much of a sniveling, woman-hating coward to answer tough questions about it.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:11pm |
re: #1010 DrTesla
I never said it wasa Obama’s fault re: this one job or that i’m unemployed in general. I do blame him for the lack of job opportunies in this country, he is the most anti-corporation prizzy we have ever elected and that does impact the private sector.
As Share of GDP, Corporate Profits Highest Since 1950
With enemies like that, who needs friends?
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Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:25pm |
re: #1017 DrTesla
i’m a sucker for babies and animals so you wont ever convince me abortion is legit.
I’ve always thought that if men were somehow the ones to get pregnant, but everything else about men and women stayed the same, nearly every woman in the country would be anti—abortion and it would be banned b/c it is the natural state of women to oppose abortion. the thing about pro-choice women is the vast majority have huge guilt over it and it reveals itselt in form of anger.
You’re out of your goddamn mind.
As the saying goes, if men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament and available on every corner.
As one white male to another, let me give you a piece of advice: you are absolutely clueless to the amount of privilege you enjoy.
| 1034 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:30pm |
re: #1026 DrTesla
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here. it’s legal so wut I think doesn’t matter.
Except that you think it is going to change and you argue that it should be changed and that in the future it will be changed! What you think matters!
So many people in this country do not agree that abortion should be legal it is an important argument to be had!
Do you want to have this argument in private over emails so that it feels more personal?
| 1035 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:39:33pm |
re: #974 DrTesla
i’m unemployed , the economy the past 4 years has hit engineers hard. one reason why I hate Obama.
Bullshit.
There are plenty of jobs for engineers, I get calls from recruiters every single day. The GM bailout created a shitload of high-paying jobs, not just at GM.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:40:24pm |
re: #1027 Shvaughn
Also, he’s black.
lol, see you helping me make my point about not being brave enough to say what I think about Obama around black people bc i’m afraid this would be thought about me.
| 1037 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:40:57pm |
re: #1026 DrTesla
look, I’d rather not to do the abortion debate on here. it’s legal so wut I think doesn’t matter.
It’s heartless bastards like you who want to make it illegal. That’s why your moronic opinion matters.
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DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:41:09pm |
re: #1031 Interesting Times
Because you’re too much of a sniveling, woman-hating coward to answer tough questions about it.
no it’s b/c i’m inarticulate and suck at debate and probably will screw up the pro life arguments.
| 1039 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:41:53pm |
re: #992 DrTesla
there are jobs out there but you have to be willing to move to places like Texas or DC. I took a good paying job out in Houston last summer but jus didn’t want to be out there.
Oh, so you haven’t really been unemployed for 4 years, and you had a job but you turned it down by your own choice.
| 1040 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:42:02pm |
re: #1036 DrTesla
lol, see you helping me make my point about not being brave enough to say what I think about Obama around black people bc i’m afraid this would be thought about me.
You fear being called a racist more than you fear being a racist. You’re not right in the head.
| 1041 |
Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:42:04pm |
re: #1038 DrTesla
no it’s b/c i’m inarticulate and suck at debate and probably will screw up the pro life arguments.
In other words, you’ve got no valid reasons, just your “feelings.”
| 1042 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:42:07pm |
re: #1038 DrTesla
no it’s b/c i’m inarticulate and suck at debate and probably will screw up the pro life arguments.
Take all the time you want to write out your thoughts/read up on what others have said, I don’t mind, but please can we have this debate (even if we do it in private away from the rest of the board so that it doesn’t feel like you’re outnumbered), I am so tired of everyone agreeing with me on abortion, I want to have an argument!
| 1043 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:42:34pm |
| 1044 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:42:51pm |
re: #1037 wrenchwench
It’s heartless bastards like you who want to make it illegal. That’s why your moronic opinion matters.
people don’t get to vote on abortion, the supreme court decides it and I see no evidence they will ever overturn it.
| 1045 |
dragonath Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:43:24pm |
Unemployment seems like a stupid reason to “hate” anyone. Obama isn’t the deus et patria of the entire goddamn United States economy.
Dislike, yes.
Hate? Insane.
| 1046 |
Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:43:51pm |
re: #1044 DrTesla
people don’t get to vote on abortion, the supreme court decides it and I see no evidence they will ever overturn it.
People vote all the time for pro-birth politicians. That matters.
| 1047 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:44:05pm |
re: #1044 DrTesla
people don’t get to vote on abortion, the supreme court decides it and I see no evidence they will ever overturn it.
People get to vote on the President who puts forth candidates for the supreme court and Senators who decide if those candidates will actually be seated.
And that isn’t even taking into account various local laws passed or rejected concerning abortion.
What you think maters!
Can we please have a debate?
| 1048 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:44:51pm |
re: #1039 Shvaughn
Oh, so you haven’t really been unemployed for 4 years, and you had a job but you turned it down by your own choice.
I’ve only been unemployed since last april, but I have had to take jobs in places I didn’t want to be to stay eployed as engineer. I went to Maryland first, then bama, then I took that job out in Houston and I was like man i’m gong back to sweet Carolina even if I got to be jobless for awhile, enuf is enuf.
I never been so obsessed about a president losing before, and it was a punch in the gut when Romney lost and it wasn’t even all that close.
| 1049 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:02pm |
re: #1044 DrTesla
people don’t get to vote on abortion, the supreme court decides it and I see no evidence they will ever overturn it.
State legislators voted on restrictions about 400 times last year. Women die as a result of that crap, and you don’t even know it’s happening.
| 1050 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:02pm |
re: #1002 DrTesla
if I was a racist, I would admit it. i’m extremely sincere person.
On the contrary, you are an extremely dishonest person. Your continual lies about what Sandra Fluke said are testament to your dishonesty.
| 1051 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:09pm |
re: #1046 Sionainn
People vote all the time for pro-birth politicians. That matters.
lol, justice Roberts couldn’t even be relied on to strike down obamacare so they won’t ever touch abortion. half the justices republicans appoint seem to be liberals. we aren’t the stupid party for no reason lolz
| 1052 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:39pm |
re: #1047 jamesfirecat
People get to vote on the President who puts forth candidates for the supreme court and Senators who decide if those candidates will actually be seated.
What you think maters!
Can we please have a debate?
You just want to crush him for the enjoyment of yourself and all your fans here. And you would, if he gave you half a chance.
| 1053 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:47:00pm |
re: #1050 Shvaughn
On the contrary, you are an extremely dishonest person. Your continual lies about what Sandra Fluke said are testament to your dishonesty.
it’s almost lkek you are fluke’s agent or something.
| 1054 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:47:33pm |
re: #1052 wrenchwench
You just want to crush him for the enjoyment of yourself and all your fans here. And you would, if he gave you half a chance.
Since when have I had fans here?
Also shut up… shut up….
| 1055 |
Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:47:48pm |
re: #1044 DrTesla
people don’t get to vote on abortion, the supreme court decides it and I see no evidence they will ever overturn it.
I see we can add “Not a follower of recent news” to the list of your attributes.
The right-leaning SCOTUS is about to torpedo an important part of the Voting Rights Act. We had one justice actually declare that the VRA was a “racial entitlement.”
What makes you think abortion is immune, when the Supreme Court is currently made up of conservatives who think racism is no big thing anymore?
| 1056 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:48:23pm |
re: #1053 DrTesla
it’s almost lkek you are fluke’s agent or something.
Or it could be a dislike of seeing a repetitive lie.
| 1057 |
Sionainn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:49:06pm |
re: #1053 DrTesla
it’s almost lkek you are fluke’s agent or something.
No, just people who are sick and tired of people smearing a woman for something she didn’t say.
| 1058 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:49:21pm |
re: #1053 DrTesla
it’s almost lkek you are fluke’s agent or something.
Lots of women are Fluke’s ‘agent’. She’s a righteous woman. She put herself out in public and said things so many of us believe, and she suffered a lot of criticism for it. I’m glad you felt ‘like a punch in the gut’ when Obama was reelected, because I feel less of a need to do it.
| 1059 |
wrenchwench Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:51:19pm |
OK, I get a lunch break now. I’ll be back if the Dr. is still in when I return.
| 1060 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:52:14pm |
re: #1048 DrTesla
I’ve only been unemployed since last april, but I have had to take jobs in places I didn’t want to be to stay eployed as engineer. I went to Maryland first, then bama, then I took that job out in Houston and I was like man i’m gong back to sweet Carolina even if I got to be jobless for awhile, enuf is enuf.
Damn, sounds like there are mechanical engineer jobs all over the place out there.
Must be nice to have joblessness as a choice. Most people have to work for a living.
| 1061 |
Mattand Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:52:47pm |
re: #1048 DrTesla
I never been so obsessed about a president losing before, and it was a punch in the gut when Romney lost and it wasn’t even all that close.
Stop watching Fox News and listening to right wing radio.
| 1062 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:53:00pm |
you got to admit rush did a fluke a favor cuz nobody knew who she wuz until he talked about her testimony, and I don’t remember anybody else talking about that testimony until after he did.
| 1063 |
geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:53:16pm |
re: #1060 Shvaughn
Damn, sounds like there are mechanical engineer jobs all over the place out there.
Must be nice to have joblessness as a choice. Most people have to work for a living.
It’s the makers vs the takers…..
| 1064 |
geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:54:02pm |
re: #1062 DrTesla
you got to admit rush did a fluke a favor cuz nobody knew who she wuz until he talked about her testimony, and I don’t remember anybody else talking about that testimony until after he did.
yeah, right. with friends like rush, who needs enemas enemies.
| 1065 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:54:55pm |
re: #1062 DrTesla
you got to admit rush did a fluke a favor cuz nobody knew who she wuz until he talked about her testimony, and I don’t remember anybody else talking about that testimony until after he did.
This is part of your same argument that makes Bull Connor a hero of the Civil Rights Movement, right?
| 1066 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:16pm |
re: #1060 Shvaughn
Damn, sounds like there are mechanical engineer jobs all over the place out there.
Must be nice to have joblessness as a choice. Most people have to work for a living.
well I got a lot of money saved up and I don’t have kids so I have some flexibility. life loses it’s fun and point if you become a slave to money and have to move all over the country to stay employed. the undertold story of the Obama years is how familes and friends have been separated by distance as people move to new locations to chase a dollar.
| 1067 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:56:51pm |
re: #1065 Shvaughn
This is part of your same argument that makes Bull Connor a hero of the Civil Rights Movement, right?
well actually that was a quote by a black person, that I read on the Wikipedia page about bull conor or birmiingham.
| 1068 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:16pm |
re: #1066 DrTesla
Just like in those old days where people moved out west to homestead and never were able to travel back and see their families again, right?
| 1069 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:59:25pm |
re: #1066 DrTesla
well I got a lot of money saved up and I don’t have kids so I have some flexibility. life loses it’s fun and point if you become a slave to money and have to move all over the country to stay employed. the undertold story of the Obama years is how familes and friends have been separated by distance as people move to new locations to chase a dollar.
Actually, that kicked off a few months before Obama took office.
Though for most of the nation it’s something of a strength that you can go somewhere else and earn a dollar instead of being forced to stay in Anatevka.
| 1070 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:06:21pm |
re: #1068 klys
Just like in those old days where people moved out west to homestead and never were able to travel back and see their families again, right?
It’s a shame that nobody’s ever invented, I dunno, some kind of network of computers that could be used to communicate with friends and family.
| 1071 |
jamesfirecat Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:06:38pm |
Once again Doctor Tesla, I think it behooves you to either have an argument with me on the subject of abortion or never mention it again.
It’s only fair that if you’re going to take a position on an issue that you have to defend that position, right?
I’m not trying to be a bully it’s just abortion is one of the few issues I feel knowledgeable about, but I can never be sure if I really am knowledgeable unless there is someone who disagrees with me sot hat I can test out how well thought through my position/argument is.
What sort of stuff could I do to help put you more at ease to us talking out this disagreement more fullly?
| 1072 |
geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:07:10pm |
re: #1070 Shvaughn
You might be onto something. Perhaps they could be connected by a series of tubes.
| 1073 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:07:43pm |
re: #1070 Shvaughn
It’s a shame that nobody’s ever invented, I dunno, some kind of network of computers that could be used to communicate with friends and family.
It’s so tragic that people have to move away from their friends and family to find jobs! For the first time ever in the history of the world!
//
| 1074 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:08:43pm |
I get so depressed about the economy. I think it’s going to be like this for the next 4 years, I never been this discouraged.
| 1075 |
DrTesla Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:11:26pm |
i’m going to go to sleep. hopefully I won’t wake up.
| 1076 |
geoffm33 Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:11:56pm |
re: #1074 DrTesla
I get so depressed about the economy. I think it’s going to be like this for the next 4 years, I never been this discouraged.
Hopefully will turn around after the mid-term elections.
| 1077 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:11:57pm |
re: #1073 klys
It’s so tragic that people have to move away from their friends and family to find jobs! For the first time ever in the history of the world!
//
Yeah but this time it’s DIFFERENT.
The president is a blah people.
| 1079 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:15:17pm |
| 1080 |
Shvaughn Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:16:01pm |
| 1081 |
Interesting Times Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:17:23pm |
re: #1080 Shvaughn
We gotta put him on suicide watch now, don’t we?
In fairness, anyone watching how the GOP is so willing to destroy the economy for political gain could feel the same.
| 1082 |
kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:42:21pm |
re: #1074 DrTesla
I get so depressed about the economy. I think it’s going to be like this for the next 4 years, I never been this discouraged.
I’m actually in agreement, but the reasons are quite different.
What it boils down to is remembering government spending is part of the economy, and that Keynes was right. Government spending can be used to cover slow times, and when it is it keeps things from getting as bad as they could be.
The problem is that the austerians are in charge, and they’re chasing the game of “more cuts”.
I’ve told this tale before but since you’re new… A few decades ago in one of my business classes we played a little simulation game. Each company, run by three people, was trying to be on top. On top was the company with the most profits. It turned out that every year this game ran, some people would scam it by firing people and selling resources. Because they cut expenses not only to but into the bone, they had the most profits. The teacher had a fix for this, however. She extended the game (again every year) to see which companies, if continuing their current policies, would last another two years. Needless to say it wasn’t the companies that did nothing but cut expenses.
There’s an old saying about it, actually. It’s called eating your seed corn. Someone has to maintain roads and bridges and electrical lines and all of that. Courts and schools are equally important.
You are right, we’re not looking at things getting significantly better for a while, but the basic reason is because the people with money to spend aren’t spending it, and the people who could and would spend money don’t have it to spend. An economy isn’t how much money you have, it’s how much money you move. And we, we’re working on saving instead of spending.
| 1083 |
klys Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:48:21pm |
re: #1082 kirkspencer
It’s like, which has the bigger impact on the economy? Giving 100 people living at the poverty level $100 each or giving one person making a million a year $10,000?
One group of people is likely to go out and put that money right back into the economy directly, through spending. The person making a million a year is likely to put that money into the stock market.
Yes, that makes all kinds of assumptions about the person making a million a year, but to be honest, it holds true for most of my experiences with people in the upper-middle class.
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kirkspencer Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:58:15pm |
re: #1083 klys
It’s like, which has the bigger impact on the economy? Giving 100 people living at the poverty level $100 each or giving one person making a million a year $10,000?
One group of people is likely to go out and put that money right back into the economy directly, through spending. The person making a million a year is likely to put that money into the stock market.
Yes, that makes all kinds of assumptions about the person making a million a year, but to be honest, it holds true for most of my experiences with people in the upper-middle class.
There have been a few studies saying basically that point. For an actual stimulus, put money in the hands of the poor because they’ll spend it.
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wheat-dogghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:46:05pm |
re: #983 DrTesla
nah cuz I’m on the internet. my point is black peole seem to really love Obama so if I said he sucked or I thin the economy sucks due to his policies, I think it could be awkward. I’d always be scared that they think I’m a racist.
That would come after they first conclude you’re as dumb as a rock.
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wheat-dogghazi Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:55:30pm |
re: #1048 DrTesla
I’ve only been unemployed since last april, but I have had to take jobs in places I didn’t want to be to stay eployed as engineer. I went to Maryland first, then bama, then I took that job out in Houston and I was like man i’m gong back to sweet Carolina even if I got to be jobless for awhile, enuf is enuf.
I never been so obsessed about a president losing before, and it was a punch in the gut when Romney lost and it wasn’t even all that close.
Oh, cry me a fucking river! How old are you, exactly? You act like a coddled teenager who doesn’t want to move too far from mom and dad, ‘cause there’s no place like home. Then you try to convince us that you don’t have a job because it’s all Obama’s fault. You lie like a dog.
I’ve lived in several different parts of the world, and enjoyed every single place, but for different reasons. You see, I grew up.
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