Pamela Geller Unceremoniously Tossed Out by CPAC, but White Nationalists Welcome

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You may have heard that hate-monger Pamela Geller is persona non grata this year at the right wing festival of epistemic closure known as CPAC, and of course she’s raging and spewing insults like a lunatic — in other words, Geller’s standard mode of operation: StandWithPamelaGeller - Atlas Shrugs.

This ridiculous rant is another one of her conspiracy theories; in Pamela Geller’s diseased mind, there are Muslim conspiracies everywhere (literally!) and this is just one more.

But if you take a look at the CPAC schedule, you’ll discover that there’s still plenty of hate to go around; for example, at least two overtly white nationalist groups, the Young America’s Foundation and the Leadership Institute.

So don’t get the idea that CPAC suddenly had an attack of principles or ethics here; the only reason Pamela Geller’s being thrown out is because she made a powerful right wing enemy in Grover Norquist.

Here’s the CPAC 2013 schedule:

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220 comments
1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:15:36am

Well, it should be obvious to everyone now that CPAC has been overrrun by the Muslim Brotherhood.

2 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:15:47am

“The Honorable Allen West!!”

3 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:16:43am

A panel moderated by Steve King that includes Louie Gohmert and John Bolton as panel members.

4 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:17:00am

re: #2 dragonath

They misspelled “Horrible”.

5 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:17:20am
PANAL 2: Respecting Families and the Rule-Of-Law

anyone wish to decipher?

6 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:17:30am

re: #2 dragonath

They couldn’t fit “Belongs in jail.”

7 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:17:34am

Man, Toomey and West back to back.

8 Blue Point  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:18:35am

Still enough stink without Ms Viper.

9 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:18:38am
“Should we shoot the consultants now?”

nice
/

10 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:20:05am

re: #5 FemNaziBitch

anyone wish to decipher?

Gays are the devil.

11 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:20:14am

Last time I looked they didn’t have the sponsors listed at the site are those up yet?

12 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:20:38am
The Fight for Religious Liberty -40 years after Roe v Wade

I may vomit

13 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:21:52am

What a shock. A book signing by someone who claims the media threw the election to Obama. Yeah because Mitt Romney didn’t turn people off by claiming that nearly half the country were moochers and takers.

14 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:19am

Wingnut ComicCon starring people who lose elections. Who wouldn’t want to see that?

15 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:24am

Seems like a political move by the CPAC people. Invite a bunch of crazies, then throw out the craziest of them all so that you can tell people you’re not really crazy. And, of course, she’s just about the craziest of them all. I’m sure once somebody nuttier comes along, she’ll be welcomed back as some sort of moderate/centrist.

16 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:56am

re: #13 HappyWarrior

What a shock. A book signing by someone who claims the media threw the election to Obama. Yeah because Mitt Romney didn’t turn people off by claiming that nearly half the country were moochers and takers.

Or by putting his dog on the top of the car

17 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:23:17am

Religious Liberty: The soul numbing fear that someone, somewhere, is free to engage in activity you disagree with.

18 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:23:41am

re: #14 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Wingnut ComicCon starring people who lose elections. Who wouldn’t want to see that?

Their Cosplayers suck ass though.

19 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:02am

re: #11 Randall Gross

Last time I looked they didn’t have the sponsors listed at the site are those up yet?

Yes, on this page:

[Link: conservative.org…]

Click the “Sponsor and Exhibit” link.

20 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:04am

Leadership Institute is who taught James O’keefe, Marcus Epstein, and others you find frequenting VDARE.

21 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:10am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

Or by putting his dog on the top of the car

Shit it wasn’t even that he did that. He thought that it was funny.

22 Randall Gross  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:25am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Thanks

23 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:29am

re: #16 FemNaziBitch

I could have known nothing else about the man and that would have disqualified him in my eyes. Everything else he said and did was just another reason to piss on the corpse of his campaign :-)

24 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:24:49am

re: #18 Kragar (Antichrist )

Their Cosplayers suck ass though.

Too many Ronald Reagan and Sarah Palin costumes.

25 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:26:11am

re: #23 Ghost of Tom Joad

I could have known nothing else about the man and that would have disqualified him in my eyes. Everything else he said and did was just another reason to piss on the corpse of his campaign :-)

What as I just said amazed me about that story was the manner in which he told the story. Seamus was apparently puking and crapped himself after that experience. Romney mentioned that while chuckling. It just suggested a lack of real empathy with anyone be it man or dog.

26 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:26:34am

re: #19 Charles Johnson

Yes, on this page:

[Link: conservative.org…]

Click the “Sponsor and Exhibit” link.

The usual suspects.

27 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:27:07am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Shit it wasn’t even that he did that. He thought that it was funny.

It’s that he did it.

28 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:28:28am

re: #27 FemNaziBitch

It’s that he did it.

I agree but the telling thing was that he thought it was hilarious. From what I understand, they kept on doing the same thing with the dog as long as they had it.

29 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:28:53am

I can see being stupid and having a mind fart and putting the dog on top of the car, but when you have to stop and hose it off because the dog got sick, I think I’d wise up and let the dog ride inside.

But no, the Romney family just kept on going.

Their precious luggage rode inside.

30 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:29:32am

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I can see being stupid and having a mind fart and putting the dog on top of the car, but when you have to stop and hose it off because the dog got sick, I think I’d wise up and let the dog ride inside.

But no, the Romney family just kept on going.

Their precious luggage rode inside.

100% agreed. Frankly people with that kind of attitude shouldn’t be pet owners.

31 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:29:50am

“Panel: The Great Books of Conservatism”

Hahahahahahahahhahaha

32 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:30:07am

re: #30 HappyWarrior

100% agreed. Frankly people with that kind of attitude shouldn’t be pet owners.

or POTUSs

33 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:30:19am

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I can see being stupid and having a mind fart and putting the dog on top of the car, but when you have to stop and hose it off because the dog got sick, I think I’d wise up and let the dog ride inside.

Captains of industry do not make mistakes. Who told you I made a mistake?! SOMEONE GET THIS ASSHOLE OUT OF THE BOARDROOM.

34 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:31:09am

re: #29 FemNaziBitch

I can see being stupid and having a mind fart and putting the dog on top of the car, but when you have to stop and hose it off because the dog got sick, I think I’d wise up and let the dog ride inside.

But no, the Romney family just kept on going.

Their precious luggage rode inside.

I could see Romney doing something like this on purpose.

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:32:38am

It says a lot about the GOP learning curve. Rather than own up to their mistakes, they are still pointing fingers.

Mostly at those lazy voters who just wanted Fre Stuff From the Government rather than a President Who Would Put Them to Work

And the lapdog media that played along.

36 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:34:01am

OT

“Also, you claim that it is environmentally friendly to ride a bike. But if I am not mistaken, a cyclists (sic) has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means that the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed to be a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride.”

37 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:34:06am
Conservatives are fighting a losing battle of moral arithmetic. They hand an argument with virtually 100% public support—care for the vulnerable—to progressives, and focus instead on materialistic concerns and minority moral viewpoints.

ya think?

38 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:36:59am

re: #36 Gus

OT

So the marathon tax is introduced when.

39 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:37:37am

Neo-Nazi Preston Wiginton Joins Forces With Young Americans for Freedom at Michigan State University

Preston Wiginton is one busy neo-Nazi.

In October 2005, he won the “Strongest Skinhead” contest at Hammerfest, a racist skinhead festival in Draketown, Ga., where he announced that he was organizing secret paramilitary training in preparation for the coming race war. In the following days, Wiginton posted more than 300 messages to the white nationalist online forum Stormfront, writing in one that “beating down a mud,” or non-white, is a “righteous act of collective preservation.”

Since then, Wiginton has continued to appear at white supremacist events across the United States — and abroad, too. Just this Nov. 4, Wiginton spoke to a crowd of 5,000 Russian ultranationalists at a Moscow rally against non-white immigration that included calls for Serbian-style ethnic cleansing. Waving his black cowboy hat, the Victoria, Texas, resident said, “I’m taking my hat off as a sign of respect for your strong identity in ethnicity, nation and race.” The audience responded with Nazi salutes and chants of “White power!” in English.

Continues.

40 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:54am

Hot Mallard Fillmore fursuit action XXX

41 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:39:30am

re: #38 HappyWarrior

So the marathon tax is introduced when.

It’s freaking stunning. How this guy rationalized that bicycling is bad for the environment because of, “moar breathing.” This from a guy with a BA in science and former forestry consultant.

42 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:39:59am

re: #36 Gus

Say hello to the next Republican candidate for Congress…

43 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:40:13am
“The Legacy of Andrew Breitbart”
David Bossie, Executive Producer
Steve Bannon, Director
Laurence Solov, Executive Producer
Sponsored by Citizens United.
Open to all registered CPAC 2013 attendees

“Legacy”? Living your life as an obnoxious asshole and not accomplishing a damned thing is a “legacy”?

44 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:42:04am

re: #41 Gus

It’s freaking stunning. How this guy rationalized that bicycling is bad for the environment because of, “moar breathing.” This from a guy with a BA in science and former forestry consultant.

It’s technically correct, which is the best kind of correct. Exercise pollutes more than non-exercise.

The true environmentalist lays on his couch and does nothing, because any other action would hasten us towards the heat death of the universe.

/

45 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:42:07am

Oh boy. I just clicked one of those “Learn the Truth about FEMA camps” to see how stupid it would actually be and the first image was this:

Image: file.jpg

Seriously?

46 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:42:23am

re: #41 Gus

It’s freaking stunning. How this guy rationalized that bicycling is bad for the environment because of, “moar breathing.” This from a guy with a BA in science and former forestry consultant.

I guess he had some do his notes for him in college because otherwise, I don’t have a clue how someone this ignorant got a degree in science and did forestry consulting.

47 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:43:37am

re: #45 Kragar (Antichrist )

Oh boy. I just clicked one of those “Learn the Truth about FEMA camps” to see how stupid it would actually be and the first image was this:

Image: file.jpg

Seriously?

Assaulted and raped by food stamp mobs? Okay, CPAC, you can have your sick fetishes all you want, this is a free country but this makes BDSM look normal.

48 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:44:25am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

I guess he had some do his notes for him in college because otherwise, I don’t have a clue how someone this ignorant got a degree in science and did forestry consulting.

The other option is what’s probably more the case. He knows he’s talking bullshit and just being a Republican.

49 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:44:34am

That gets a triple Heh for humor.

50 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:46:17am

Derp.

51 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:46:19am

re: #41 Gus

He’s also the ranking Republican member on the Transportation and Natural Resource committees! Whee!

52 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:46:28am

Lunch tears.

Clint Eastwood in favor of gay marriage, freep on suicide watch

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

53 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:46:46am

re: #48 Gus

The other option is what’s probably more the case. He knows he’s talking bullshit and just being a Republican.

Yeah that is true. Anyhow, read your SPLC link about the YAF. That kid seems like a real piece of work.Seems though fortunately he’s reviled in MSU’s conservative community even. I still don’t get those who have “libertarian leanings” joining up with the Republicans though.

54 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:47:14am

Image: Muppets-on-bikes.jpg

55 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:47:50am

re: #51 dragonath

He’s also the ranking Republican member on the Transportation and Natural Resource committees! Whee!

=|

56 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:47:56am

re: #52 SpaceJesus

Lunch tears.

Clint Eastwood in favor of gay marriage, freep on suicide watch

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

He’s been in favor of gay marriage for a long time. But yeah if you’re a freep, you think you can’t be a real man unless you’re threatened by gay marriage and homosexuality. Men? while I hate to play the stupid manhood game, I think it shows greater manhood to give two shits about someone’s sexuality and who they choose to love.

57 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:48:08am

Breaking:

Small plane heading for St. Louis reports landing gear trouble

CAHOKIA • A Learjet heading to St. Louis Downtown Airport in Cahokia is reporting landing gear trouble and may have to make an emergency landing, officials said.

The pilot of the small plane reported trouble about noon. The plane has eight people aboard including the pilot.

An airport operator said the pilot had not notified the airport of whether he would land the plane in Cahokia or try to land elsewhere.

Ambulances are stationed at St. Louis Downtown Airport in case the pilot attempts to land the plane there.

58 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:50:44am
As for Scalia’s rants of securing minorities’ right to vote without obstruction from the powers that be, Sotomayor asked Rein, “Do you think that the right to vote is a racial entitlement?”

The New York Times writes that she later asked “with an edge in her voice that left little doubt she was responding to Justice Scalia’s statement” to the lawyer challenging the law, “Do you think that racial discrimination in voting has ended, that there is none anywhere?”

Wonder what the CPAC conference on the VRA would be titled?

59 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:51:46am
re: #52 SpaceJesus

Lunch tears.

Clint Eastwood in favor of gay marriage, freep on suicide watch

[Link: www.freerepublic.com…]

He obviously isn’t conservative, and he isn’t republican, Clint Eastwood is a libertarian, an anti-conservative.


My favorite post. ^^^

Clint is suddenly “anti-conservative” because he happens to support gay marriage. haha. More proof that conservatives are narrow-minded zombies who live under napkin-sized tent.

60 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:52:28am

Totally expecting the exec director of Students for Liberty to act all shocked when their message of legalized drugs, gay marriage, etc doesn’t find a receptive audience at CPAC. I don’t hate libertarians and won’t call them Republican potheads out of respect for friends who are libertarian but man they’re silly if they think they can work with the right.

61 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:52:29am

re: #55 Gus

=|

He’s on the Finance Committee too. I guess the Republican bench must be pretty thin in Washington. He ran unopposed in his last race.

Fun fact: His county takes more money than it receives from the state. Rugged individualism!

62 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:53:12am

re: #41 Gus

It’s freaking stunning. How this guy rationalized that bicycling is bad for the environment because of, “moar breathing.” This from a guy with a BA in science and former forestry consultant.

He apologized for this stupid comment today: BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » Rep. Ed Orcutt responds, apologizes ‘bicycling causes pollution’ email.

63 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:54:52am

re: #59 Dr. Matt

My favorite post. Clint is suddenly “anti-conservative” because he happens to support gay marriage. haha. More proof that conservatives are narrow-minded zombies who live under napkin-sized tent.

What I love is how some conservatives will point to Dick Cheney being pro gay marriage as “See, we’re not all bigots.” And then you’ll read what other conservatives have to say about pro gay marriage conservatives. Frankly it always amused me that the LCR go out of their way to praise Cheney for his stance on that issue but ignore the fact that he was passive on the issue when he was VP in an administration was very anti gay. I mean, I know, the excuse that he was just following the boss’s lead but this was Dick Cheney who had a very prominent voice in Bush’s first term when they pushed the anti gay crap in the first place.

64 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:55:06am

re: #58 FemNaziBitch

Help Stop PBO’s Unconstitutional Assault on Military Voting Rights

Ending Racial Entitlements

Do We Still Need Affirmative Action in Voting?

The VRA, the Motor-Voter Law, and Other Cases of Voter Fraud

Does the VRA discriminate against and disenfranchise gun owners?

The VRA and other Free Stuff Democrats Bribe Voters with

I’m just taking a stab here….

65 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:55:23am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

He apologized for this stupid comment today: BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » Rep. Ed Orcutt responds, apologizes ‘bicycling causes pollution’ email.

It reads sincerely enough that I’m almost willing to believe this isn’t yet another one of those deals where you say what you mean, and then apologize with the implicit understanding of your blockheaded constituents that “well he just had to do that ‘cause librul media or whatever”.

66 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:55:26am

re: #62 Charles Johnson

He apologized for this stupid comment today: BikePortland.org » Blog Archive » Rep. Ed Orcutt responds, apologizes ‘bicycling causes pollution’ email.

His apology repeats the science mistake, by saying a bicyclist is not carbon-neutral.

67 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:15am

re: #65 erik_t

Read it again. He never says he’s wrong about the science.

68 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:24am

What this conference should be called, how to turn young Americans off conservatism yet again. I’d sooner embrace libertarianism or socialism than I would American conservatism in its present inception.

69 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:55am

“Democrat Tax Plan”

70 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:57am

re: #61 dragonath

I was just joking about this guy possibly being a Republican candidate for Congress. Now I learn he’s already a Republican member of Congress. Does the God of the Universe really hate America this much?

71 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:57:10am

Mental.

72 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:59:34am

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

His apology repeats the science mistake, by saying a bicyclist is not carbon-neutral.

It’s stupid and trivial to the point of inanity in the context of the broader discussion, but it’s technically true. The bicyclist needs to eat more than if he had driven, and food production in this country has a non-zero carbon footprint.

Nothing is zero impact. We live in a world of grays.

73 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:00:27am

re: #70 Bulworth

I was just joking about this guy possibly being a Republican candidate for Congress. Now I learn he’s already a Republican member of Congress. Does the God of the Universe really hate America this much?

He’s a state representative. I mean that’s bad enough but he’s not a Congress member.

74 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:02:01am

re: #72 erik_t

It’s stupid and trivial to the point of inanity in the context of the broader discussion, but it’s technically true. The bicyclist needs to eat more than if he had driven, and food production in this country has a non-zero carbon footprint.

Nothing is zero impact. We live in a world of grays.

But if the human body in question needs to get from point A to point B in a reasonable amount of time*, what is the most effective methods ranked by carbon impact?

* - We say reasonable since waiting for the next ice age to come along and have a glacier do the work is beyond the patience of most people, even rabid environmentalists.

75 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:03:03am

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

It has to do with innate ideological blindness leading idiots to asinine conclusions.

76 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:03:08am

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

His apology repeats the science mistake, by saying a bicyclist is not carbon-neutral.

This is true, but he does say it “was not a point even worth mentioning.”

77 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:03:25am

re: #74 Feline Fearless Leader

Oh, I’m almost certain biking is the most efficient mode of transportation by almost any metric.

78 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:04:20am

re: #77 erik_t

Oh, I’m almost certain biking is the most efficient mode of transportation by almost any metric.

Horses!

79 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:04:45am

re: #43 Dr. Matt

“Legacy”? Living your life as an obnoxious asshole and not accomplishing a damned thing is a “legacy”?

Nonsense. He accomplished a lot, all of it negative.

I will never in a million years understand the mindset that turns an angry, dishonest troll like Breitbart into a hero. Nor do I really want to.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:05:07am

re: #72 erik_t

It’s stupid and trivial to the point of inanity in the context of the broader discussion, but it’s technically true. The bicyclist needs to eat more than if he had driven, and food production in this country has a non-zero carbon footprint.

Nothing is zero impact. We live in a world of grays.

This is what he said:

Also, you claim that is is environmentally friendly to ride a bike. But if I am not mistaken a cyclists [sic] has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride.

The CO2 we produce comes from what we ingest. In the end, that comes from photosynthesis, which involves pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. Breathing is as carbon-neutral as you can get. His science is wrong.

81 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:13am

Looking over the CPAC schedule again, this year is a real snoozer. With Ron Paul now out of the picture, the number of whacked out libertarians is markedly lower. And no Geller-Spencer-Gaffney loons either.

The schedule really looks like an effort to push the “rebranding” scam.

82 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:33am

re: #79 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Nonsense. He accomplished a lot, all of it negative.

I will never in a million years understand the mindset that turns an angry, dishonest troll like Breitbart into a hero. Nor do I really want to.

It’s the mindset that makes Rush Limbaugh a popular listen, Ann Coulter’s books a popular read. Yeah I don’t understand it either. For people who claim to love America and what it means to be Americans, there sure are a lot of people on the right who truly resent their fellow Americans. Not mere disagreement but I mean outright resentment.

83 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:43am

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

This is what he said:

The CO2 we produce comes from what we ingest. In the end, that comes from photosynthesis, which involves pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. Breathing is as carbon-neutral as you can get. His science is wrong.

Hmmm. But that carbon came from yadda yadda this is stupid semantics and not really worth our time. His initial statement was moronic and I am glad he issued a relatively, if not perfectly, good apology.

84 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:46am

re: #79 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I will never in a million years understand the mindset that turns an angry, dishonest troll like Breitbart into a hero. Nor do I really want to.

I’m sure at the time, some people thought Enrico Dandalo was a hero too.

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:07:01am

I appreciate critical thinking, but a lot of the modern conservative mindset seems to be about uncritically criticizing anything they disagree with. That was Breitbart’s stock in trade; creating stories memes that would be uncritically repeated because they were critical of Obama and the Left.

86 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:09:02am

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

This is what he said:

The CO2 we produce comes from what we ingest. In the end, that comes from photosynthesis, which involves pulling CO2 out of the atmosphere. Breathing is as carbon-neutral as you can get. His science is wrong.

I don’t think people understand that there’s more to the CO2 output of a car than just the engine running. It’s the entire infrastructure that’s required for the car. From every single part that’s manufactured. To the oil that is required for making gasoline. Oil that is sometimes transported on oil tankers burning bunker fuel. The rubber for the tires. Everything. In the end, the CO2 output of riding a bicycle pales in comparison to just one human “breathing moar.”

87 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:09:09am

re: #31 Bulworth

“Panel: The Great Books of Conservatism”

Hahahahahahahahhahaha

ALTAS SHRUGGED
THE FOUNTAINHEAD

/end of list

88 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:11:32am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

ALTAS SHRUGGED
THE FOUNTAINHEAD

/end of list

Atlas Shrugs. #12.

89 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:11:44am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

CPAC specifically excludes the LCRs and GOProud because they’re pro-gay and seek equal rights.

SE Cupp says she’s not going back to CPAC this year, saying that she’s tried to get them to change their views, but it hasn’t worked.

“It just became increasingly uncomfortable to align with an event, a great event in many ways, that had nonetheless attempted to marginalize a really important group of conservatives working on our behalf,” Cupp said. “For us to sort of slap them on the face and say, we no longer want your services or we’re embarrassed by you and ashamed of you and we’d like to put you in the back of the tent just felt really dismissive and disrespectful.”

Cupp added that conservatives are “lucky that anyone is still coming to come out and cheerlead for us.”

Cupp also said that she attempted to speak about gay rights at last year’s event with the intent to influence CPAC to be more accepting of its gay supporters.

“That didn’t work,” she said. “I can’t keep doing that over and over again with no consequences. For me, it’s personal now, so it felt like I had no choice but to back off and say: look, not this year.”

They purposefully ignore gay and lesbian rights and deny equal rights to these groups.

Why the LCR and GOProud continue to think that they’ve got a home in the GOP is beyond me. The GOP treats them as second class citizens, primarily because the conservatives that run things have no use for them except as props to show at election time that “hey, you see, we’ve got gay supporters!” all while working vigorously to deny them rights.

90 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:11:53am

That Tesla fucktard is still derping away downstairs about Sandra Fluke, spewing Rush vomit.

I don’t even want that BBQ’ed buttocks. Too gamy.

91 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:12:25am

re: #83 erik_t

Hmmm. But that carbon came from yadda yadda this is stupid semantics and not really worth our time.

No, please, finish the sentence. Where did that carbon come from in a way that you think in any way makes breathing not carbon neutral?

His initial statement was moronic and I am glad he issued a relatively, if not perfectly, good apology.

I don’t agree that his apology was any good at all. It basically said “I went ‘over the top’, implying what he said had any basis at all, which it doesn’t.

Except in the most infinitesimal or allegorical ways, such that bringing them up is as deceitful as claiming humans could be mined for gold, breathing is carbon neutral.

92 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:13:16am

re: #88 Gus

Atlas Shrugs. #12.

ROOOOOOAD TO SERFDOM

93 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:13:55am
94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:14:02am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

ALTAS SHRUGGED
THE FOUNTAINHEAD

/end of list

Hayek.

95 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:14:34am

re: #87 Vicious Babushka

ALTAS SHRUGGED
THE FOUNTAINHEAD

/end of list

The collected wisdom of David Barton

96 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:15:35am

re: #91 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

No, please, finish the sentence. Where did that carbon come from in a way that you think in any way makes breathing not carbon neutral?

Sigh. Fine.

It came from the food the biker ate, and he had to eat extra food because he burned however many calories doing the biking. That food was almost certainly gathered or transported by tractor or truck or train at some stage in its journey.

The semantic bullshit is whether or not we’re talking about the entire biking process or about breathing, and I have less than no interest in that discussion.

97 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:18:21am

re: #94 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

Hayek.

Only Hayek I want to see/hear is Selma (as in Desperado/From Dusk Til Dawn).

98 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:18:38am

re: #96 erik_t

Sigh. Fine.
It came from the food the biker ate, and he had to eat extra food because he burned however many calories doing the biking. That food was almost certainly gathered or transported by tractor or truck or train at some stage in its journey.

Sure. Which would be an amount of carbon production that’s so small compared to others that bringing it up to claim bikers aren’t carbon-neutral is deceitful. It’s not just over the top. It is not something that means breathing is carbon neutral. It means the food the human is using isn’t carbon neutral because of the way we transport it.

I don’t have a particular problem with what you’re saying in an academic setting, but it’s useless and counterproductive to treat this stuff like it’s an academic setting. From a public policy point of view, what he said was intentionally duplicitous and his apology does nothing to rectify that duplicity, it in fact solidifies it.

99 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:18:45am
Great Books of Conservatism Panel

Harry Veryser, ISI Author, on Mises’ Socialism (Confirmed)
Jeffrey Nelson, ISI, on Weaver’s Ideas Have Consequences (Confirmed)
Paul Kengor, ISI Author, on Chambers’ Witness (Confirmed)
Gerald Russello, University Bookman on Kirk’s The Conservative Mind (Confirmed)

Socialism - published in 1922.

Ideas Have Consequences - published in 1948.

Witness - published in 1952.

The Conservative Mind - published in 1953.

100 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:19:11am

bbl

101 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:19:19am

re: #76 Charles Johnson

Guy’s got some pretty wacky views, and is also looking to tax cyclists for road usage.

102 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:19:46am

re: #98 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t have a particular problem with what you’re saying in an academic setting, but it’s useless and counterproductive to treat this stuff like it’s an academic setting. From a public policy point of view, what he said was intentionally duplicitous and his apology does nothing to rectify that duplicity, it in fact solidifies it.

Something I think you’ll find I said from the very beginning.

103 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:20:26am

CPAC’s “Great Books of Conservatism” - the most recent one is 60 years old.

104 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:20:46am

The Bible - published in 0 AD

105 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:21:01am

re: #89 lawhawk

CPAC specifically excludes the LCRs and GOProud because they’re pro-gay and seek equal rights.

SE Cupp says she’s not going back to CPAC this year, saying that she’s tried to get them to change their views, but it hasn’t worked.

They purposefully ignore gay and lesbian rights and deny equal rights to these groups.

Why the LCR and GOProud continue to think that they’ve got a home in the GOP is beyond me. The GOP treats them as second class citizens, primarily because the conservatives that run things have no use for them except as props to show at election time that “hey, you see, we’ve got gay supporters!” all while working vigorously to deny them rights.

Yeah I don’t get it either. As I said, I don’t expect conservative supporters of gay rights to become liberals but I do want them to realize that they’re throwing their lot in with an ideology that doesn’t give two shits about their ideas.

106 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:21:30am

re: #88 Gus 802

Atlas Shrugs. #12.

Atlas Shrugged is just like the band “Kiss.” Spectacular superhuman cartoon fantasies for 15 year old boys.

107 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:21:58am

re: #106 Dr. Matt

Atlas Shrugged is just like the band “Kiss.” Spectacular superhuman cartoon fantasies for 15 year old boys.

Oh man, can I steal that? Really AS to political philosophy what Kiss is to music.

108 mgardener  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:22:27am

It appears that they didn’t learn much from their loss in Nov.
Nor does it appear they wish to figure out why.
They do not appear to have an new ideas, everything is Obama’s fault?
No wonder why they didn’t want Christie, he would have told them a whole lot that they DO NOT WANT TO HEAR.

109 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:22:35am

re: #102 erik_t

Something I think you’ll find I said from the very beginning.

I’m sorry, I overlooked that you said it was trivial to the point inanity.

110 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:22:41am

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Oh man, can I steal that?

Of course. Be sure to add #tgdn to it. :) I always do when I rehash it.

111 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:23:29am

I’m pretty sure I’ve seen a few conservative “intellectuals” walk around with Bork’s Slouching Towards Gomorrah.

112 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:24:46am

re: #108 mgardener

It appears that they didn’t learn much from their loss in Nov.
Nor does it appear they wish to figure out why.
They do not appear to have an new ideas, everything is Obama’s fault?
No wonder why they didn’t want Christie, he would have told them a whole lot that they DO NOT WANT TO HEAR.

This is a good observation. It seems that none of these lectures are about how to learn from mistakes but rather whinefests at the media and everyone but themselves who they blame for Obama’s successful re-election. 2016 if this attitude keeps up will be another tough year for them and they’ll be doing the same thing in 2017.

113 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:25:41am

I’m sure that discussion of Ludwig von Mises’ seminal work Socialism will be absolutely riveting.

114 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:26:35am

re: #90 Vicious Babushka

That Tesla fucktard is still derping away downstairs about Sandra Fluke, spewing Rush vomit.
.

I’m glad it has metastasized to this thread. Yet……

115 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:28:15am

Ludwig von Mises: Man of the People

116 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:29:00am

re: #103 Charles Johnson

CPAC’s “Great Books of Conservatism” - the most recent one is 60 years old.

Standing athwart history yelling “we have no new ideas.”

117 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:29:31am

re: #115 dragonath

Ludwig von Mises: Man of the People

If I recall, he was an aristocrat who was upset at the upward mobility of his times right? I know the Von Mises Institute itself in Alabama is filled with Neo-Confederate cranks.

118 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:32:02am

re: #117 HappyWarrior

If I recall, he was an aristocrat who was upset at the upward mobility of his times right? I know the Von Mises Institute itself in Alabama is filled with Neo-Confederate cranks.

Speaking of which, what’s up with that “Europeanization of America” panel that CPAC is having?

119 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:32:43am

There is a live video of the emergency landing in St Louis here.

[Link: www.kmov.com…]

120 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:35:00am

re: #118 dragonath

Speaking of which, what’s up with that “Europeanization of America” panel that CPAC is having?

Simpler way of saying Obama is a Socialist? It is funny to me considering that Capitalism’s origins are in Europe too and of course Von Mises himself was an Austrian and the founder of the Austrian school of Economics that many of them seem to love so much.

121 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:36:07am
122 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:36:13am

re: #89 lawhawk

When you’re organization is so nutty it loses SE Cupp….

123 Destro  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:37:26am

Was she drunk in public again?

124 CriticalDragon1177  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:37:35am

Charles Johnson

Pamela Geller really needs to get out of the “counter jihad” and get a life. Anyway, I’m glad you let me know that CPAC didn’t dump her for her bigotry. I might ended up with too much respect for them.

125 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:02am
126 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:49am

re: #125 Gus

What a shock.

127 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:39:56am

A suspect has been named in the horrific hit and run crash that killed expectant parents and the baby later died at the hospital.

Police have identified a suspect being sought in the hit-and-run deaths of a pregnant woman and her husband whose baby died on Monday, a day after the Brooklyn car crash.

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said police are looking for 44-year-old Julio Acevedo, who had a DWI arrest in February. Acevedo was going at least 60 mph when the car slammed into the cab carrying the couple to a hospital, police said.

The newborn boy, delivered after the crash, died early Monday, according to Isaac Abraham, who serves as a spokesman for the family’s Orthodox Jewish community.

“We in the community are demanding that the prosecutor charge the driver of BMW that caused the death of this couple and infant … with triple homicide,” Abraham said in a statement. “This coward left the scene of the accident not even bothering to check on the people of the other car.”

Anyone want to bet that the guy was again driving under the influence when he crashed the car? No way we’ll ever know for sure since he fled the scene before he could be interviewed by police.

He devastated a family and community.

All the while, the NYPD hasn’t done nearly enough to crack down on reckless driving and prosecutors in the City haven’t gone after drivers who maim and kill pedestrians. That’s got to change too. Far too many drivers who have had fatal accidents get nothing but a slap on the wrist.

128 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:41:03am

re: #126 HappyWarrior

What a shock.

:D

National Review Writer Robert Weissberg Attends White Nationalist Gathering
‘American Renaissance Conference Takes to the Woods’

129 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:41:07am

re: #66 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

His apology repeats the science mistake, by saying a bicyclist is not carbon-neutral.

Biker farts! Like cow farts!

130 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:41:31am

re: #122 Bulworth

When you’re organization is so nutty it loses SE Cupp….

Eh, I’ve heard her talk enough that I don’t know if she’s really a nut. She seems way more like an opportunist that found herself a niche as the purty lady that wingnuts like to watch talk about their issues. When she talks about things, it sounds to me like she’s trying to sell something, not like she actually believes in some of it. Not that she’s not wingnutty, but YMMV.

131 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:41:38am

re: #124 CriticalDragon1177

That’s her prime motivator, her sole means of staying relevant and in the political circles. No way she quits the counter-jihad or gives up her friendships with fellow xenophobes/racists/and hatemongers.

132 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:42:37am

re: #128 Gus

…By all accounts, the anti-Semites in the mix kept quiet about the “real enemy,” while American Renaissance chief Jared Taylor tried to construct a viable white nationalism without open hatred of “the Jews.”

Yeah, lots of luck keeping that under the hoods.

133 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:42:56am

re: #104 dragonath

The Bible - published in 0 AD

Except it has all that stuff in it about helping the poor, and not withholding the worker’s wages, and leaving part of the field unharvested for the hungry. Commie stuff.

134 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:46:52am

There are days where a benevolent dictatorship of the world seems like a fantastic idea.

135 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:50:14am
136 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:53:38am
137 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:55:07am

re: #136 NJDhockeyfan

Celtaphobic propaganda!

138 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:57:49am

re: #101 lawhawk

Guy’s got some pretty wacky views, and is also looking to tax cyclists for road usage.

Really? What party does he belong to, anyway? Lemme check … wow, he’s a Republican. Go figure.

139 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:28pm
Yeah, I’m completely comfortable that she only worked for the “philanthropic” side of the world’s most conspicuous sweatshop-enabler and government-services sinkhole, and now she’s going to advise the president on exactly how much austerity he can “bring to the table” before Paul Krugman and David Cay Johnston and Robert Reich all show up at the White House with their faces painted and waving hatchets.

Read more: What Can Possibly Go Wrong Here? - Esquire [Link: www.esquire.com…]

Man makes me laugh. Cry too.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:06:59pm

re: #122 Bulworth

When you’re organization is so nutty it loses SE Cupp….

It is scary that there are organizations that make her seem moderate in comparison

141 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:08:13pm

Dr. Tesla just made a hilarious joke about women dying from unsafe abortions guys!

That guy, what a card.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

What gets me about people like this is they think most people actually secretly agree with them.

142 Mattand  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:15pm

re: #89 lawhawk

Why the LCR and GOProud continue to think that they’ve got a home in the GOP is beyond me. The GOP treats them as second class citizens, primarily because the conservatives that run things have no use for them except as props to show at election time that “hey, you see, we’ve got gay supporters!” all while working vigorously to deny them rights.

Glad to see it was just not me who thinks this.

I asked a gay woman I knew if I was missing something about the Log Cabin Republicans. She just woefully shook her head “no” and said “You got me.”

143 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:29pm

re: #141 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Dr. Tesla just made a hilarious joke about women dying from unsafe abortions guys!

That guy, what a card.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

What gets me about people like this is they think most people actually secretly agree with them.

Think he set a record?

Karma: -1,262

144 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:10:54pm

re: #141 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

But, of course, he never sees the misogyny of guys like Rush et. al.

145 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:11:01pm

re: #143 Gus

Think he set a record?

Karma: -1,262

rwmofo and barflytom would be jealous.

146 Mattand  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:03pm

re: #141 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Dr. Tesla just made a hilarious joke about women dying from unsafe abortions guys!

That guy, what a card.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

What gets me about people like this is they think most people actually secretly agree with them.

Is that dolt still at it? I gave up an hour and half ago.

Part of me thinks he’s doing “research” for Project Veritas or Limbaugh or Hannity or something, and is going to release an “expose” about LGF at some later date.

147 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:17pm

re: #144 Ghost of Tom Joad

But, of course, he never sees the misogyny of guys like Rush et. al.

Hey, women love Rush, he’s been married four times. I can’t believe he seriously used that as a defense against Rush being labeled as a sexist. As said downstairs, if you’re popularizing a term that compares feminists to Nazis, you’re a sexist dick.

148 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:12:17pm

re: #143 Gus

When people like him get to me, I go down to the neighborhoods that have the halal and kosher joints right next to each other and watch the Hassids and the serious-bearded Muslim guys greet and “salaam/shalom” each other and remind myself that human nature is actually pretty cool, even though some jerkasses do shitty stuff with that whole free will to be an asshole thing.

149 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:13:53pm

re: #146 Mattand

Is that dolt still at it? I gave up an hour and half ago.

Part of me thinks he’s doing “research” for Project Veritas or Limbaugh or Hannity or something, and is going to release an “expose” about LGF at some later or date.

Whatever wlse you can say about his cluelessness and his absolutely unquestioning swallowing of RW talking points, he is not rude or offensive, he tries to present some sort of formulated argument and does not get personal about it.

150 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:16:07pm

re: #149 Sol Berdinowitz

Whatever wlse you can say about his cluelessness and his absolutely unquestioning swallowing of RW talking points, he is not rude or offensive, he tries to present some sort of formulated argument and does not get personal about it.

Way too disingenuous for me. He repeatedly brought up topics, then when he invariably got called on them repeatedly said ‘I don’t want to get into it.’

A well-mannered troll = still a troll.

151 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:17:26pm

re: #147 HappyWarrior

Rush is cool.

Like a smelly cigar.

152 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:17:44pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

CPAC’s “Great Books of Conservatism” - the most recent one is 60 years old.

Since all of their ideas are still stuck in the Dark Ages, that’s awfully contemporary for them.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:17:45pm

I happened to drive by two of our big sporting goods outlets early this morning. Sure enough, there was a line in front of each, waiting in the chill to snap up any guns or ammunition that had arrived overnight. I used to doubt the sincerity of these people, but they are putting their money (and their shivering bodies) where their mouths are. They really, honestly do believe Obama is going to ban such things as .22 pistols, 30/30 deer rifles, and single shot shotguns. A lot of them, most in fact, are speculators trying to cash in by hoarding every gun and every bullet they can lay their hands on. They hope to make a killing (!) when the hammer falls and UN troops try to take every kid’s Crickett .22 rifle. Naturally, these would-be profiteers are always first in line.

For the first time in my lifetime, perhaps the first time in the history of the Republic, firearms are not realistically available to the general public. A mob of ignoramus speculators have succeeded where generations of activists have failed.

The difference between this and a legal prohibition is that the speculative bubble will eventually burst. When that happens, we will have an absolute tsunami of cheap guns and ammo on the market as the dimwits panic and try to unload their hoards.

154 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:18:04pm

re: #151 dragonath

Rush is cool.

Like a smelly cigar.

Rush is about as cool as diarrhea.

155 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:19:54pm

NRA leader Wayne LaPierre: Background checks wouldn’t stop ‘mental defectives’ from mass shootings

National Rifle Association executive vice president Wayne LaPierre trashed the mentally ill on Monday while suggesting it is a gateway to government-mandated weapons confiscation.

“It’s a speed bump for the law-abiding,” he said in an interview with Fox Business Network host Stuart Varney. “It has no effect in the real world on stopping crime or keeping mental defectives from committing horrible acts.”

LaPierre also said that background checks would be selectively enforced and abused.

You’re creating a registry of all the law-abiding people in the country that own firearms,” he said. “I know the politicians say, ‘Hey, we’ll never use that list to confiscate.’ That’s a pretty darn tall order to believe a promise from people in this town right now.”

156 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:19:57pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Rush is about as cool as diarrhea.

Hot as lava, he flows from the speaker grille

158 Mattand  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:21:07pm

re: #149 Sol Berdinowitz

Whatever wlse you can say about his cluelessness and his absolutely unquestioning swallowing of RW talking points, he is not rude or offensive, he tries to present some sort of formulated argument and does not get personal about it.

Eh. Politely-couched ignorance is still ignorance.

As a wise man once said, “I want you to be nice until it’s time to not be nice.”

We’re waaaaaayyy past that time with this guy. He trying to politely insist that Rush Limbaugh is just misunderstood and unfairly treated, among other things.

I really don’t see how being civil to Dr. Tesla is a plus at this point.

159 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:21:28pm

re: #157 Kragar (Antichrist )

I did not need that mental image. At all.

Where did I put the bleach…

160 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:21:54pm

re: #157 Kragar (Antichrist )

Limbaugh: Scalia’s ‘well-endowed intellect’ should be ‘honored’ to be compared to me

Your schwartz is almost as big as mine!

161 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:22:22pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

That will be the time to worry, because they’ll be unloading those things to anybody with a few bucks, and that usually means unscrupulous folks looking to do something bad.

162 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:22:47pm

re: #155 Kragar (Antichrist )

NRA leader Wayne LaPierre: Background checks wouldn’t stop ‘mental defectives’ from mass shootings

Yeah because only the mentally ill commit acts of mass murder. Fuck Wayne LaPierre and fuck his shitty organization too who want to use tragedies like Sandy Hook to scapegoat those with mental illness.

163 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:23:47pm

Well-endowed intellect? Gee Rush did Justice Scalia agree with you or are you just happy to see him.

164 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:25:13pm

re: #158 Mattand

He also claims to be unemployed, blames Obama for this, but has turned down job offers because they would require moving. But it’s hypocritical for women to want the insurance that they pay for to cover their prescribed medication - they should just suck it up and pay for it themselves or not have sex.

Polite or not, I’m kind of sick of people who ignore critical thinking.

165 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:25:26pm

re: #155 Kragar (Antichrist )

NRA leader Wayne LaPierre: Background checks wouldn’t stop ‘mental defectives’ from mass shootings

It’s a speed bump that won’t be applied to everybody, but we shouldn’t impose it anyway because the government will use it to compile a database. Also note that the NRA and it’s paid attack dogs up on Capital Hill have been giving law enforcement the third degree over million or so falsified background checks that they say aren’t leading to “enough” arrests.

166 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:25:41pm

re: #149 Sol Berdinowitz

Whatever wlse you can say about his cluelessness and his absolutely unquestioning swallowing of RW talking points, he is not rude or offensive, he tries to present some sort of formulated argument and does not get personal about it.

“Polite” racism and misogyny is still goddamn racism and misogyny. If anything, it’s worse than the rude stuff, because it tries to apply a thin veneer of gold leaf to a festering pile of shit, and convince you it’s actually something of value, worth considering.

167 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:26:20pm

re: #158 Mattand

Eh. Politely-couched ignorance is still ignorance.

As a wise man once said, “I want you to be nice until it’s time to not be nice.”

We’re waaaaaayyy past that time with this guy. He trying to politely insist that Rush Limbaugh is just misunderstood and unfairly treated, among other things.

I really don’t see how not being civil Dr. Tesla is plus at this point.

“Whatever else you can say about him” is a pretty broad spectrum to point out that he is clueless about nearly everything and stuffed full of RW talking points.

Reminds me of an acquaintance - from West Virginia rather than South Carolina - an IT specialist, above-average intelligent, inquisitive, sensitive, musically talented, perfectly polite and charming in company, but almost totally clueless when it comes to politics or social issues.

We just avoid the issues.

168 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:27:48pm

re: #166 Interesting Times

“Polite” racism and misogyny is still goddamn racism and misogyny. If anything, it’s worse than the rude stuff, because it tries to apply a thin veneer of gold leaf to a festering pile of shit, and convince you it’s actually something of value, worth considering.

169 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:28:05pm

Because to the GOP, letting more people vote is a bad idea:

Wisconsin GOP wants end to weekend voting

170 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:29:09pm

re: #169 Lidane

Because to the GOP, letting more people vote is a bad idea:

Wisconsin GOP wants end to weekend voting

They know they’re fucked as a party if more people vote. It’s why they fight things like precincts on college campuses.

171 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:29:24pm

We already have a group composing a database of mentally defective gun owners.

Its called the NRA membership roster.

172 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:29:41pm

Fer chrissakes, the troll is using the term “prizzy” again.

Why is this guy still here

173 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:30:03pm

re: #169 Lidane

Let me guess….

“It costs too much!”

“Too much government bureaucracy”

“Fraud!”

“Weekend voting=Free Stuff!”

//

174 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:30:18pm

re: #164 klys

I’m just watching to see how long he’ll go on like this. It’s quite a run. He’s a wingnut hero on a last chance power dive.

175 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:07pm

re: #171 Kragar (Antichrist )

We already have a group composing a database of mentally defective gun owners.

Its called the NRA membership roster.

For gawd’s sake, man. We are fresh out of fainting couches and pearls.

176 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:20pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

There’s sort of a sick fascination with it.

I only get depressed when I realize that a) there are more people out there like him and b) some of them are actually elected officials in our government.

177 Mattand  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:32pm

re: #164 klys

He also claims to be unemployed, blames Obama for this, but has turned down job offers because they would require moving. But it’s hypocritical for women to want the insurance that they pay for to cover their prescribed medication - they should just suck it up and pay for it themselves or not have sex.

Polite or not, I’m kind of sick of people who ignore critical thinking.

QFMFT.

(Quoted For Mutha Fuckin’ Truth)

178 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:31:50pm

re: #174 Charles Johnson

I’m just watching to see how long he’ll go on like this. It’s quite a run. He’s a wingnut hero on a last chance power dive.

Should I prep the Bon Jovi music?

179 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:32:10pm

re: #176 klys

There’s sort of a sick fascination with it.

I only get depressed when I realize that a) there are more people out there like him and b) some of them are actually elected officials in our government.

and c) they have a headlock on the less deranged members of their party

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:33:02pm

re: #178 Kragar (Antichrist )

Should I prep the Bon Jovi music?

“Derping on a Prayer”?

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:33:53pm

re: #178 Kragar (Antichrist )

Should I prep the Bon Jovi music?

Springsteen lyric isn’t it?

182 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:00pm

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

Chome-wheeled fuel-injected and stepping out over the line.

183 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:12pm

re: #178 Kragar (Antichrist )

Should I prep the Bon Jovi music?

Right state, wrong artist. Charles was refrencing The Boss there:

184 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:36:52pm

re: #180 Targetpractice

“Derping on a Prayer”?

“Blaze of glory” is the traditional ballad of derpiness.

185 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:37:49pm

re: #178 Kragar (Antichrist )

Should I prep the Bon Jovi music?

(That line’s from a Springsteen song.)

186 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:38:13pm

re: #183 Lidane

Right state, wrong artist. Charles was refrencing The Boss there:

[Embedded content]

I know, but Blaze of Glory works better for nutters.

187 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:41:59pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

[snip]
The difference between this and a legal prohibition is that the speculative bubble will eventually burst. When that happens, we will have an absolute tsunami of cheap guns and ammo on the market as the dimwits panic and try to unload their hoards.

I hadn’t considered this, it’s an interesting point. It raises the question of “when” as well.

A couple of factors. Firearms and ammo can be preserved for a very long time, but extreme preservation does not go hand-in-hand with ready use. So along with your prediction, how many firearms are going to be sealed in creosote and buried in a survival tube for post-apocalyptic recovery - and then lost when the person who buries them dies? How many are going to go unused and un-maintained, eventually rusting to uselessness?

How many families are going to play collapse of the USSR on a small scale by spending such an oversized proportion of their income on military equipment that will go unused?

188 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:43:30pm

Heh.

189 sattv4u2  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:08pm

re: #188 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

Robin could not be reached for comment!

190 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:21pm

He’s gonna ride that thread all the way to the bitter end, or until everybody’s browser blows up.

191 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:45:22pm
192 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:46:40pm

re: #186 Kragar (Antichrist )

I know, but Blaze of Glory works better for nutters.

Yeah, I can see that. Makes sense.

193 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:48:00pm

That asshole is claiming that there were more jrrbz for engineers during the Bush years, BULLSHIT. After Y2K the auto companies stopped hiring, they outsourced entire freaking departments, and the only jobs available were short term contracts.

That continued until the GM bailout, then the world started moving again.

I can’t post this downstairs because that thread is too heavy to load.

194 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:49:54pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

He’s gonna ride that thread all the way to the bitter end, or until everybody’s browser blows up.

Heh. In a way, gibbering wingnuts have it so easy: they never have to provide evidence to back up a thing they say, they never have to engage in any kind of critical thinking or debate, all they have to do is spew the same tired talking points over and over and over and over and over and over again.

Durr hurr! Everybody else got tired and left! That means I win! Derp.

195 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:50:09pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

He’s gonna ride that thread all the way to the bitter end, or until everybody’s browser blows up.

196 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:50:49pm

A boring game. The only way to win is not to play at all.

197 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:51:21pm

re: #193 Vicious Babushka

That asshole is claiming that there were more jrrbz for engineers during the Bush years, BULLSHIT. After Y2K the auto companies stopped hiring, they outsourced entire freaking departments, and the only jobs available were short term contracts.

That continued until the GM bailout, then the world started moving again.

I can’t post this downstairs because that thread is too heavy to load.

eh. He started by saying jobs for engineers went down the toilet. It’s come out, finally, that he means he can’t get a job he likes back home even though there are plentiful jobs everywhere else, and that’s Obama’s fault. Oh, not directly, but the companies don’t have his job in NC because of Obama. bleah.

198 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:52:33pm

re: #196 Feline Fearless Leader

A boring game. The only way to win is not to play at all.

How about a nice game of chess?

199 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:52:40pm

re: #194 Interesting Times

Durr hurr! Everybody else got tired and left! That means I win! Derp.

As soon as you’re born they make you feel small
By giving you no time instead of it all
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all
Then a dead thread hero is something to be

200 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:53:03pm

Keep on keepin’ on, GOP:

201 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:53:29pm

re: #189 sattv4u2

Robin could not be reached for comment!

He’s dead, Jim.

Batman’s side-kick Robin to be killed off in next DC Comics issue

202 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:53:56pm

re: #200 Lidane

Keep on keepin’ on, GOP:

Note, this guy is one of those whose name still gets tossed around when talking potential candidates for ‘16.

203 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:06pm

re: #196 Feline Fearless Leader

The plus side is: I get to appreciate all the fantastic folk who hang out here on a regular basis and enjoy their wit, sarcasm, occasional Photoshop and lolcats, and in general application of critical thinking to political issues. Not that it doesn’t happen without the troll, but the the troll is a reminder of just how abysmal the average level of discourse on the Internet can be.

204 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:14pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Note, this guy is one of those whose name still gets tossed around when talking potential candidates for ‘16.

Because two presidents named Bush wasn’t enough. We need more.

///

205 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:26pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

He’s dead, Jim.

Batman’s side-kick Robin to be killed off in next DC Comics issue

Really, which one? *reads* Oh, him.

206 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:44pm

re: #200 Lidane

Keep on keepin’ on, GOP:

2016, here I come!

207 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:55:58pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

Note, this guy is one of those whose name still gets tossed around when talking potential candidates for ‘16.

Hey guys, I’ve got an idea! Let’s take the one thing about W. Bush’s presidency that wasn’t an absolute cartoon-evil cock-up and invert it! That’ll show ‘em!

Hurrrrrr.

208 Mattand  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:56:32pm

re: #201 NJDhockeyfan

He’s dead, Jim.

Batman’s side-kick Robin to be killed off in next DC Comics issue

Jesus, they pulled this stunt nearly 25 years ago. Talk about running out of ideas.

209 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:56:36pm

re: #200 Lidane

Keep on keepin’ on, GOP:

and Jeb is supposed to be a “moderate” on this issue. Can’t believe I’m hearing him as a serious contender for 2016. But here’s an interesting factoid. The GOP hasn’t won a presidential election since 1928 without a Bush or Nixon on the ticket.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:09pm

re: #200 Lidane

Keep on keepin’ on, GOP:

Even though I disagree with Jeb on this matter, I do not find his position on granting citizenship completely outrageous. He is not advocating that we round them up and deport them or deny them residence permits, just citizenship.

211 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:12pm

re: #200 Lidane

The Smart Bush.

212 Targetpractice  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:13pm

re: #204 Lidane

Because two presidents named Bush wasn’t enough. We need more.

///

Jeb’s supposed to the “smart” one of the bunch.

213 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:20pm

re: #204 Lidane

Because two presidents named Bush wasn’t enough. We need more.

///

This country has a horrible propensity for shooting itself in the foot with both barrels.

214 Feline Fearless Leader  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:57:53pm

re: #203 klys

The plus side is: I get to appreciate all the fantastic folk who hang out here on a regular basis and enjoy their wit, sarcasm, occasional Photoshop and lolcats, and in general application of critical thinking to political issues. Not that it doesn’t happen without the troll, but the the troll is a reminder of just how abysmal the average level of discourse on the Internet can be.

True. But I think there is still an appreciable opportunity cost involved. A lot of the trolls that show up could be represented by a RW talking point Eliza program. They are that predictable, and that unresponsive to any sort of logical/rational discussion.

215 FriendsofHummus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:58:17pm

I swear if it’s Hillary (who I do like) versus Jeb in 2016.

216 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 12:59:41pm

re: #214 Feline Fearless Leader

I know. I’m just looking for the silver lining at this point.

That and it’s a decent alternative to doing the full muck-out of the kitties’ litterboxes. Although not by much.

217 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:00:51pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Jeb’s supposed to the “smart” one of the bunch.

Reminds me of a Robin Williams stand-up routine where he was pretending to talk to a guy who had been in a coma for 10 years. I don’t remember it word for, but he told the guy they elected one of Bush’s sons, he said

“oh, the smart one from Florida”
“no, the stupid one from Texas”
“Junior? Are you shitting me?”
“Nope, and he was so bad they elected a black guy with a muslim-sounding name, Barack Hussein Obama”
“ok, now I know you’re fucking with me”

218 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:01:14pm

re: #208 Mattand

Jesus, they pulled this stunt nearly 25 years ago. Talk about running out of ideas.

Except when they did it 25 years ago, A Death in the Family was legitimately shocking.

Now it’s just a way for them to boost sales of a weak title. =P

219 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 1:14:50pm

re: #218 Lidane

Except when they did it 25 years ago, A Death in the Family was legitimately shocking.

Now it’s just a way for them to boost sales of a weak title. =P

I dunno, I think Death in the Family was pretty pathetic because of the whole “call this 900 number to have Robin killed!!” angle.

This at least seems less like a stunt and more like the story that the various writers of the Batman comics are trying to tell.

220 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:02:40pm

re: #143 Gus

Think he set a record?

Karma: -1,262

He does not have the endurance that Buck does, Buck will start an argument and never let go till you agree that he is right, but this guy is just all over the place.


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