Dumbest Man on Internet Recycles Another Right Wing Paranoid Fantasy, Gets Drudge Link

Jim Hoft exposes Obama’s plot to murder you with SEKRIT TANKS
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Whoever’s posting the links at Drudge Report really seems to enjoy the work of the Dumbest Man on the Internet, Jim Hoft, because the estimable Gateway Pundit receives another Drudge benefaction today, for another long-debunked right wing paranoid fantasy:

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | the Gateway Pundit.

Notice how Hoft deftly combines two wingnut fever dreams in his headline, connecting the ridiculous “tanks” lie with the equally crazed “bullet stockpile” story hyped last week by half-governor Sarah Palin, creating one massive, delirious right wing ball of anti-government fear. That’s why he gets the Drudge links.

This is getting a little creepy.
According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).

Modern Survival Blog reported…

Yes, Hoft’s source is a survivalist blog. And of course, it’s bogus fear-mongering hooey.

First, the DHS doesn’t have “tanks.” They have armored vehicles intended to be used in emergency situations like Hurricane Katrina, and in ICE raids against drug gangs along the Mexican border, where the criminals are known to possess military weaponry such as fully automatic rifles and grenade launchers.

But to make it even more sinister, the DHS is hiding these SCARY SEKRIT MURDER TANKS in plain sight, right on the front page of their border security section.

Here’s a classified photo of one of the SCARY MURDER TANKS terrorizing some helpless children back in 2010. (h/t: Gus.)

UPDATE at 3/4/13 2:48:40 pm

But wait, it gets even dumber! LGF contributor Gus dug up the announcement of the contract for this particular order of 2700 MRAPs (actually 2717), and it turns out that they’re being purchased by the Marine Corps … not the DHS.

Navistar Defense, L.L.C., Warrenville, Ill., is being awarded an $879,923,195 firm-fixed-priced delivery order 0023 under previously awarded contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for the procurement of 2,717 units of rolling chassis; 10 engineering change proposals; and 25 contract data requirements lists, for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Work will be performed in West Point, Miss., and is expected to be completed by the end of October 2013. Procurement funds in the amount of $879,923,195 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The original contract was competitively procured. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity.

So what Hoft has discovered are secret tanks being bought by the DHS that aren’t secret and aren’t tanks, and aren’t being bought by the DHS.

UPDATE at 3/4/13 3:06:51 pm

Fox News host Lou Dobbs retweets Hoft’s false story:

Related
Factchecking: ‘Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks’

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637 comments
1 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:09:54pm

Hiding them in plain sight, the perfect camouflage.
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2 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:10:17pm

Idiot.
Tanks have artillery. (Think of the cadence just like “Trix Are For kids!” so Jim can understand)

Isn’t this just a surplus buy taking advantage of the drawdown? The fact they are mine resistant is irrelevant other than being impervious to some violent weather. These are excellent vehicles to have in stand offs with gunmen and people down. LAPD had to borrow a brinks truck during the infamous North Hollywood bank heist. Nice of Brinks to help but sheesh.

3 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:12:22pm
According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

The gun fetishists are so busy filling their heads with faux controversy and outrage, they have seem to fail to realize that the “trazillions” of bullets DHS is purchasing is pistol ammunition. Do they really think (I use the word generously) the government is going to “overthrow the country” with pistol ammunition? Fucking derps.

4 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:13:36pm

Here Charles. Put this image up. It’s got the “tank” [sic] being shown to a bunch of kids. Dated November 22, 2010.

5 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:15:24pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

I don’t like the militarization of the police, but I recognize it’s in response to the firepower they’re coming up against. In addition, vehicles like this are great for disaster scenarios.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:18:12pm

I remember pistol drills when I was in security forces.

60 rounds of 9mm ammo, morning and afternoon sessions, once a month

~100 Marines training a month

That is 144,000 rounds of pistol ammo used just in training by 100 marines in a year. That doesn’t count stockpiles set aside for actual duty, emergencies, etc, nor rifle ammo used when we did other field training.

7 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:18:35pm

FDL was derping about this in April of 2012. Others of course like Rense, David Icke, Prison Planet.

8 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:19:42pm

re: #7 Gus

FDL was derping about this in Aprik of 2012. Others of course like Rense, David Icke, Prison Planet.

Just because there are wingnuts, does not mean the moonbats have ceased to Derp, just that their derp has been drowned out.

9 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:20:39pm

Thing is, 2010 was so long ago. We’re in another time now.

/

10 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:21:21pm

Here’s the order figure.

Navistar Defense to Upgrade 2,717 Mine Resistant Vehicles

Navistar Defense LLC received a contract from the U.S. Army Contracting Command to conduct the installation work associated with its January order to upgrade 2,717 International MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles with a new vehicle chassis, according to Navistar. The $21 million contract is just one of Navistar’s many reset offerings aimed at revitalizing existing defense assets for future missions.

“We are focused on increasing the capabilities of our existing fleet with minimal impact to defense funding,” said Archie Massicotte, president of Navistar Defense. “The vehicle reset line we established for this installation work can also be utilized to restore older vehicles to like-new condition. Therefore, we are poised and ready to reset vehicles returning from deployment – either here at our facility or overseas.”

The installation contract retrofits vintage MaxxPro vehicles with a new rolling chassis, according to Navistar Defense. This chassis enhancement includes the addition of the DXM independent suspension, a MaxxForce 9.3 engine, 570-amp alternator and driveline, while leaving a residual chassis with a beam axle that can be reused. The retrofits will be conducted in West Point, Miss., and work is expected to be completed by the end of May 2012.

Continues.

I seriously doubt that the 2,717 is for DHS.

11 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:22:18pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

The fact they are mine resistant is irrelevant other than being impervious to some violent weather.

…But now all our neighborhood Patriot mines will be useless when the tyrant Obama declares marshal Law and the FEMA invasion comes!!!

12 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:22:21pm

GOP blocks medicaid expansion in Florida

13 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:24:11pm

Here it is.

Defense.gov: Contracts for Monday, January 09, 2012

Navistar Defense, L.L.C., Warrenville, Ill., is being awarded an $879,923,195 firm-fixed-priced delivery order 0023 under previously awarded contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for the procurement of 2,717 units of rolling chassis; 10 engineering change proposals; and 25 contract data requirements lists, for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Work will be performed in West Point, Miss., and is expected to be completed by the end of October 2013. Procurement funds in the amount of $879,923,195 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The original contract was competitively procured. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity…

14 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:24:25pm

After Obama leaves office, I’m gonna scoop up all the freeze dried cans of food that will inevitably be dumped on the market. :p

15 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:24:54pm

I wonder whether having ‘tanks’ on the border means it is now secure enough that we don’t have to deport people who were brought here when they were toddlers.

16 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:25:44pm

The 2700 vehicles is not for DHS.

17 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:28:27pm

Previous contract.

M67854-07-D-5032

M67854-07-D-5032-mods - Marine Corps Systems Command

PDF warning.

18 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:29:33pm

Sure is a huge contract. $879,923,195

19 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:31:05pm

Vatican and Iran fight UN’s efforts to stop violence against women

Diplomats said the Holy See, Iran and Russia are leading attempts wipe out language in a draft final statement that says religion, custom or tradition must not be used as an excuse to avoid a government’s obligation to eliminate violence.

They also have opposed references to rape by a woman’s husband or partner, diplomats said.

“Violence against women must be seen as a human rights issue and that has nothing to do with culture or religion,” Norway’s Gender Equality Minister Inga Marte Thorkildsen told AFP.

“The Vatican, conservative religious forces within the United States and Europe, Catholic and Muslim countries are joining forces to stop women from gaining sexual rights,” the minister said, predicting tough negotiations during the two week conference.

“It has to do with power and equality and the lack of will to see women as valuable as men,” Thorkildsen added.

20 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:31:06pm

Obama renews budget offer to cut social safety nets

President Barack Obama raised anew the issue of cutting entitlements such as Medicare and Social Security as a way out of damaging budget cuts, a White House official said on Sunday, as both sides in Washington tried to limit a fiscal crisis that may soon hit millions of Americans.

Signaling he might be ready to explore a compromise to end automatic spending cuts that began late Friday, Obama mentioned reforming these entitlement programs in calls with lawmakers from both parties on Saturday afternoon.

21 Bulworth  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:31:16pm

$800 million here, $1 billion there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money.

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22 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:34:29pm

FPDS-NG ezSearch M6785407D5032

23 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:35:45pm

Derp.

24 cinesimon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:36:06pm

This is why proud old white man & brave hero of the 19th century Antonin Scalia has said he is open to the constitution allowing any weapon as long as it can be held by “arms”.
That is his logic. Truly.
The constitution says “the right to bear arms”. Therefore any weapon that can be held, by arms, is allowed.
Therefore America’s True Patriots can(many already do regardless, because many are volunteer posse cops, and therefore have that truly frightening dispensation to purchase army surplus weaponry that are prohibited to citizens) own rocket and grenade launchers. Because after all: most Americans - real Americans, that is - understand that government is the enemy, and is likely run by Grays and Lizards.
We must be allowed the weaponry that can penetrate those commie IED shields! Otherwise we do not have Freeedumb!

25 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:41:17pm

re: #14 Amory Blaine

After Obama leaves office, I’m gonna scoop up all the freeze dried cans of food that will inevitably be dumped on the market. :p

HE’LL NEVER LEAVE OFFICE! THE KENYAN TYRANT WILL IGNORE THE CONSTITUTION! ELEVENTY!

Don’t you see all the tanks and ammo he’s buying?! He’s going to destroy America!

26 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:42:11pm

Long story short. People were derping about this early last year. The conract for 2,700 (2,717 to be precise) vehicles (MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected) is for the Navy which will be for the Marines (which is a “component of US Navy).

These are not for DHS.

The end.

27 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:46:00pm

SEKRIT OBAMA MURDER BUS IS COMING FOR YOUR CHILDRUN’S SKOOL BUS!!11TY

28 kwb2003  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:48:10pm

Possible acronym for Mr Hoft: DUMI (DUmbest Man on the Internet).

29 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:49:03pm

Navy contract announcement:

Navistar Defense, L.L.C., Warrenville, Ill., is being awarded an $879,923,195 firm-fixed-priced delivery order 0023 under previously awarded contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for the procurement of 2,717 units of rolling chassis; 10 engineering change proposals; and 25 contract data requirements lists, for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Work will be performed in West Point, Miss., and is expected to be completed by the end of October 2013. Procurement funds in the amount of $879,923,195 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The original contract was competitively procured. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity.

Bullshit survivalist/prepper blog:

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

30 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:49:23pm

re: #6 Kragar (Antichrist )

I remember pistol drills when I was in security forces.

60 rounds of 9mm ammo, morning and afternoon sessions, once a month

~100 Marines training a month

That is 144,000 rounds of pistol ammo used just in training by 100 marines in a year. That doesn’t count stockpiles set aside for actual duty, emergencies, etc, nor rifle ammo used when we did other field training.

When my wife and I were in handgun competition, we ran through a thousand rounds a month each. It was at least 200 shots to practice through the course just once. Keep in mind the matches we went to often had more than 100 competitors. That would be maybe 100,000 rounds used each month by us and our fellow competitors. We got everything in bulk. I can’t imagine what it takes for a big police force.

31 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:50:23pm

re: #26 Gus

I added an update about that above, thanks.

32 kwb2003  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:56:37pm

This ranks up there (or down there) with scare over the National Guard training up on concentration camp management. People had to explain to the conspiracy theororists that they were training to manage EPWs.

33 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:59:12pm

re: #31 Charles Johnson

I added an update about that above, thanks.

Thanks. Here’s a screen shot of Drudge. The idiot still has it up.

Image: Drudge-Screen-Shot-3-4-2013.JPG

34 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 2:59:58pm

Check this out.

[Link: twitter.com…]

Woo hoo! Derp.

35 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:00:12pm
36 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:01:46pm

Armored cars, now called tanks.

37 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:02:09pm

lol

38 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:02:19pm

re: #36 Kragar (Antichrist )

Armored cars, now called tanks.

Anything to stir up the right-wing derp machine to ever higher levels of full retard.

Evening Lizardim from the snowbound wild north country.

39 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:05:59pm

LOL! Buying armored vehicles for the marines is apparently now “high crimes and misdemeanors?”

40 Lidane  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:07:15pm

re: #39 Shvaughn

LOL! Buying armored vehicles for the marines is apparently now “high crimes and misdemeanors?”

It is when it’s done by a black POTUS.

*sigh*

41 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:07:32pm

re: #35 Gus

Why U No Wake UP!!!

42 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:07:53pm
43 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:11:03pm

re: #41 jaunte

Why U No Wake UP!!!

WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!11TY

44 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:11:04pm

Obligatory godwin:

45 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:11:44pm

re: #44 Shvaughn

Obligatory godwin:

Can we call it a Hitler fetish yet?

46 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:12:46pm
47 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:13:10pm

“Anonymous” types are falling for it too.

48 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:13:26pm
49 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:13:44pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

They fell for it. We have ourselves and internet hoax!

50 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:14:24pm

re: #47 Gus

“Anonymous” types are falling for it too.

Alert the Trout!

51 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:14:28pm

Wow, look at what a Drudge link does for a wingnut fear story: [Link: twitter.com…]

52 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:15:47pm

re: #37 Shvaughn

I’m sure that will get some interesting responses.

53 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:15:54pm

Well, if the DHS has light armored tanks, then we need to start buying ourselves some Abrams. RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!1!1 DERP!

54 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:17:29pm

So, like.

I thought these same folks who are afraid of Obama’s DHS are the folks who also say “militarize the border” (with Mexico, the only one they seem concerned about) routinely?

Granted, the “tanks” aren’t going to DHS, but you’d think that they’d be all in favor of that happening, if these indeed were going to be used for border enforcement?

Oh, right. What Lidane said:

re: #40 Lidane

It is when it’s done by a black POTUS.

*sigh*

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:17:44pm

Wow, this is a genuine gigantic fake outrage. Hard to believe how many people are retweeting the fake story.

56 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:17:55pm

Now consider that if they didn’t do this contract, Hoft and others would be complaining about the 1000s of jobs lost because Obama doesn’t care about the military and keeping our LEOs safe (although it was the Marine Corps).

57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:18:00pm

re: #39 Shvaughn

LOL! Buying armored vehicles for the marines is apparently now “high crimes and misdemeanors?”

If he works a little harder, I think he might actually have a sentence in there.

58 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:18:29pm

The Jim Hoft obsession is getting old, but Lou Dobbs’ personal right-wing echo made this worthy, retroactively.

59 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:18:38pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Wow, this is a genuine gigantic fake outrage. Hard to believe how many people are retweeting the fake story.

Because it’s a scary headline that agrees with their confirmation bias.

60 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:18:41pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Wow, this is a genuine gigantic fake outrage. Hard to believe how many people are retweeting the fake story.

Pew: Twitter Reaction Often Diverges Sharply From Public Opinion

61 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:19:27pm

re: #58 Local Media Monitor

The Jim Hoft obsession is getting old, but Lou Dobbs’ personal right-wing echo made this worthy, retroactively.

Can you explain what you mean by “Jim Hoft obsession”?

62 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:19:54pm

re: #35 Gus

Somebody discovered Illustrator.

63 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:21:30pm

re: #53 thedopefishlives

Well, if the DHS has light armored tanks, then we need to start buying ourselves some Abrams. RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS!!!1!1 DERP!

You realize that these people are impossible to parody, right?

64 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:21:47pm

re: #54 Shvaughn

So, like.

I thought these same folks who are afraid of Obama’s DHS are the folks who also say “militarize the border” (with Mexico, the only one they seem concerned about) routinely?

Pffft, it’s not like the Canadian border is any threat. What’s the worst they can do? Hurl hockey pucks and dollar coins at us?

65 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:21:55pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Wow, this is a genuine gigantic fake outrage. Hard to believe how many people are retweeting the fake story.

The dumbest man on the internet leading on the dumbest people on the internet.

66 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:22:44pm

re: #63 Shvaughn

You realize that these people are impossible to parody, right?

Apparently Ben Eng does not realize the government already had tanks, apcs, and other armored vehicles. It’s called an army.

67 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:22:57pm

re: #60 Kragar (Antichrist )

Pew: Twitter Reaction Often Diverges Sharply From Public Opinion

Of course. Twitter attracts angry, stupid people. They’re announcing their mental problems while normal people are living their lives.

68 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:23:05pm

is Lou Dobbs considered right wing now? I thought that he was a liberal except on immigration. I didn’t know he was still on tv..

69 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:23:10pm

re: #65 Gus

The pied derper.

70 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:23:21pm

re: #63 Shvaughn

You realize that these people are impossible to parody, right?

Oh, I’m well aware. That’s why I’m forced to make liberal use of the wingnut tag. Otherwise, people might actually take me seriously.

71 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:23:50pm

re: #68 DrTesla

*sigh*

72 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:24:09pm

Derp attracts derp.

73 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:24:22pm

re: #61 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut
I never see any reference to Hoft anywhere else but on LGF. It seems to be a personal feud.

74 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:24:30pm

re: #65 Gus

The dumbest man on the internet leading on the dumbest people on the internet.

If a dumb man leads a dumber man, they will both fall into derp.

75 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:24:51pm

re: #65 Gus

The dumbest man on the internet leading on the dumbest people on the internet.

The scary thing is how many of them are convinced that THIS IS FINALLY IT, TIME TO RISE UP. Every time there’s another fake controversy, another nutcase with a gun gets one step closer to committing some horrible atrocity against this country and our elected government.

The problem here isn’t just that Hoft is routinely wrong — it’s that he’s downright dangerous in encouraging the worst lunatics in their paranoid delusions, and that will have consequences.

76 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:22pm

re: #68 DrTesla

is Lou Dobbs considered right wing now? I thought that he was a liberal except on immigration. I didn’t know he was still on tv..

Oh god, he’s back.

77 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:28pm

re: #75 Shvaughn

Watch him wash his hands…

78 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:43pm

re: #73 Local Media Monitor

I never see any reference to Hoft anywhere else but on LGF. It seems to be a personal feud.

You mean aside from Drudge regularly picking up his stories?

79 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:44pm

re: #73 Local Media Monitor

I never see any reference to Hoft anywhere else but on LGF. It seems to be a personal feud.

Might want to check Drudge, then.

80 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:48pm

re: #74 thedopefishlives

If a dumb man leads a dumber man, they will both fall into derp.

The derpularity, a thing from which no rational thought can escape.

81 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:25:49pm

re: #76 Shvaughn

Oh god, he’s back.

I had a similar thought.

82 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:26:20pm

re: #80 AlexRogan

The derpularity, a thing from which no rational thought can escape.

The dictionary entry has a picture of Jim Hoft.

83 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:26:50pm

re: #76 Shvaughn

Oh god, he’s back.

Does this mean we’re in for another few hours of polite trolling?

84 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:27:13pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Derp magnets. How do they fucking work?

85 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:28:09pm

re: #68 DrTesla

You poor thing. You woke up. My condolences.

86 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:28:23pm

re: #83 makeitstop

Does this mean we’re in for another few hours of polite trolling?

Sadly, yes.

87 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:28:42pm

Low and slow baby.

88 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:28:45pm

re: #68 DrTesla

is Lou Dobbs considered right wing now? I thought that he was a liberal except on immigration. I didn’t know he was still on tv..

What makes him liberal in your view?

Also by any chance do you feel refreshed and ready to talk about abortion? I would love to have a polite and well mannered debate on the subject since I get so few chances to properly argue the topic!

89 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:30:22pm

re: #72 Charles Johnson

Derp attracts derp.

Charles. I think you should also put up a Drudge screen shot. Here’s one I just trimmed.

Image: Drudge-Screen-Shot-3-4-2013.jpg

I think it would add more context to the spreading of these RW lies.

90 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:30:58pm

re: #89 Gus

The 3 dots say it all…

91 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:31:49pm
92 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:31:59pm

re: #90 Amory Blaine

The 3 dots say it all…

-.…-. .—.

[Link: morsecode.scphillips.com…]

93 AlexRogan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:32:00pm

re: #73 Local Media Monitor

I never see any reference to Hoft anywhere else but on LGF. It seems to be a personal feud.

For someone with the words “Media Monitor” in your nick, apparently doing a Google search on the man is too much for you, so I did it for you:

[Link: www.google.com…]

Click on the News tag (under More) and enjoy!

94 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:32:52pm

re: #73 Local Media Monitor

Well, look around more, I guess.

[Link: mediamatters.org…]
[Link: crooksandliars.com…]
[Link: www.humanevents.com…]
[Link: www.breitbart.com…]
[Link: danaloeschradio.com…]

Looking at Hoft’s site is a good way of tracking what’s bubbling around in right-wing politics.

95 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:32:53pm
96 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:34:38pm

Yeah! Obama is gonna overthrow the duly elected government!

Wait, what?


97 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:34:53pm

re: #88 jamesfirecat

What makes him liberal in your view?

Also by any chance do you feel refreshed and ready to talk about abortion? I would love to have a polite and well mannered debate on the subject since I get so few chances to properly argue the topic!

well I thought his views on the issues outside of immigration were generally those of Democratic voters but it’s been awhile since I heard anything about him.

i’m not sure if I should get off topic into abortion stuff. I may have to go eat in a few minutes.

98 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:35:04pm

re: #89 Gus

Charles. I think you should also put up a Drudge screen shot. Here’s one I just trimmed.

Image: Drudge-Screen-Shot-3-4-2013.jpg

I think it would add more context to the spreading of these RW lies.

Thanks, I added the pic as a popup link in the first graf.

99 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:35:25pm

re: #96 Shvaughn

It’s 2015 now? The coup date keeps disappearing in front of us like a mirage.

100 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:35:27pm

re: #95 Gus

I sometimes think I should sign up for twitter & only follow him. Then I could pretend it was a force for good in the universe instead of the most destructive derp dispenser ever created.

101 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:35:59pm

Got a live one.

102 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:36:38pm

Christian Pseudo-Historian David Barton Lied About a Supreme Court Case… So I Spoke to the Case’s Namesake

A couple of weeks ago, he gave a presentation at Glen Meadows Baptist Church in San Angelo, Texas where he said something unbelievable about the court case that removed mandatory Bible readings from public schools: Abington Township v. Schempp.

This is the reason, in Barton’s mind, why those readings came to a halt:

… They quoted Dr. Solomon Grayzel on the reason that we need to get the Bible out of schools… In the Supreme Court decision, this is what the Court said why the Bible has to come out of schools; the Court says this:

If portions of the New Testament were read without explanation, they could be, and had been, psychologically harmful to the child.

Time out. Let me see if I get this: if we keep reading the Bible in schools, our kids are going to suffer from brain damage? Yeah, that was the reason given by the Court for the removal of the Bible out of the classroom back in 62-63.

As Kyle Mantyla at Right Wing Watch points out, this is an unfair characaterization for two reasons:

1) The statement from Grayzel wasn’t the reason mandatory Bible readings were removed from public schools. It was simply part of the testimony that was used in an earlier trial, well before the Supreme Court ever made their decision. They included it in their final ruling only to document the history of the case, not as evidence for their final decision.

2) The statement — like much of what Barton says — was taken completely out of context. Grayzel was saying that forced reading of the New Testament could be problematic for Jewish students.

This is from the Supreme Court’s ruling, quoting the earlier trial court:

… Dr. Grayzel testified that portions of the New Testament were offensive to Jewish tradition, and that, from the standpoint of Jewish faith, the concept of Jesus Christ as the Son of God was “practically blasphemous.” He cited instances in the New Testament which, assertedly, were not only sectarian in nature but tended to bring the Jews into ridicule or scorn. Dr. Grayzel gave as his expert opinion that such material from the New Testament could be explained to Jewish children in such a way as to do no harm to them. But if portions of the New Testament were read without explanation, they could be, and, in his specific experience with children, Dr. Grayzel observed, had been, psychologically harmful to the child, and had caused a divisive force within the social media of the school.

If, during grade school, I was forced to listen to another religion’s holy book explaining why I was an awful person destined for hellfire, you can bet it would have a serious effect on me, too. Grayzel wasn’t out of line at all.

103 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:37:14pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Got a live one.

@ChuckNellis @lawhawk @GOP Dated 2009, plans changed. I stand pat with a known & trusted source. You work for Soros or Obama?

Now off the list of “known and trusted’ sources to Republicans: the fucking Department of Defense.

104 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:37:20pm

does gateway pundit have ties to Breitbart? I get all these guys on the internet mixed up

105 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:37:29pm

Oy. This one is even worse.

Results for Obama 2,700

106 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:37:47pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Got a live one.

Wow. Don’t mess with him, he’s got a ‘known and trusted source!’

///

107 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:37:48pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Got a live one.

I snorted.

108 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:38:18pm

re: #104 DrTesla

does gateway pundit have ties to Breitbart? I get all these guys on the internet mixed up

Including yourself.

109 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:38:21pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Got a live one.

I like how he can’t read dates on the link you provided.

110 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:39:29pm

re: #109 Shvaughn

January 09, 2012.

Must mean 2009.

111 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:39:47pm

re: #79 Shvaughn

Point taken. Yes, Drudge is considered legit by some, strangely, in the brave new world of cyber-news, so if Drudge consistently cites Hoft, I guess Hoft has to be constantly re-discredited.

112 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:39:56pm

HOw is it this evening.

Still not snowing in my part of the world.

113 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:39:57pm

The voices in his head are well known and trusted.

114 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:40:28pm

The wingnuts do have a precedent for their fears even with the truth about the Marine Corps contract: Marines from Washington Barracks were sent to deal with John Brown’s raid on the Harper’s Ferry Arsenal in 1859. They were on the same side as the wingnuts in that one, though, since Brown’s objective was to arm a slave revolt.

Army Colonel Robert E. Lee was in command of the operation btw.

115 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:40:55pm

re: #111 Local Media Monitor

You’d have thought a thread that was, say, Jim Hoft being linked by Drudge, might have established that for you at the outset.

116 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:41:20pm

re: #103 erik_t

Now off the list of “known and trusted’ sources to Republicans: the fucking Department of Defense.

I don’t think this can be overstated. On a matter so simple and open and verifiable, the branded secondary source is held in higher esteem than the primary source.

This hilariously and fundamentally undoes the entire concept of research or investigation of any kind.

117 hambone  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:42:15pm

Don’t be mean to Lou Dobbs he was a good newsman once long ago. Now he is just like an angry old guy “Get off my grass, you damn kids” only it’s ” get off my America with your MRAP damn Liberals. He actually used to vett the information so he won’t look like a fool, now he just doesn’t seem to care.

118 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:43:50pm

I think we need some logo or something to denote days Charles has open registration. Bats flying around, maybe.

119 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:44:13pm

why do libs hate Drudge, most of his links seem to go to articles at liberal newspapers and websites. he basically just rounds up a bunch of stuff.

120 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:44:16pm

re: #111 Local Media Monitor

Point taken. Yes, Drudge is considered legit by some, strangely, in the brave new world of cyber-news, so if Drudge consistently cites Hoft, I guess Hoft has to be constantly re-discredited.

This guy is considered legit as well. In some circles of course. ;)

121 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:44:35pm

re: #117 hambone

Don’t be mean to Lou Dobbs he was a good newsman once long ago. Now he is just like an angry old guy “Get off my grass, you damn kids” only it’s ” get off my America with your MRAP damn Liberals. He actually used to vett the information so he won’t look like a fool, now he just doesn’t seem to care.

Once he got on the Nirther train, he gave up every ounce of cred he ever had.

122 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:44:38pm

re: #115 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

You’d have thought a thread that was, say, Jim Hoft being linked by Drudge, might have established that for you at the outset.

The answer is very often in the question.

123 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:44:54pm

re: #119 DrTesla

why do libs hate Drudge, most of his links seem to go to articles at liberal newspapers and websites. he basically just rounds up a bunch of stuff.

Why are you so fucking dense?

Oh, right, you’re trolling.

124 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:08pm

Pastor Raul Ries: I Was Going to Kill My Family When God Saved Me

California Pastor Raul Ries of Calvary Chapel Golden Springs shared Saturday evening his powerful testimony of inviting Jesus into his heart after watching Pastor Chuck Smith on TV at a time when he was contemplating violence against his family.

Ries said at the National Religious Broadcasters convention that as an unbeliever he hated everything: the world, his life and even his wife and children. But then he “found out that the cross of Jesus Christ is real,” he said.

He challenged today’s Church in his message to talk about the fundamentals of the scriptures and not shy away from the message of sin, although doing so without criticizing the person. “We don’t talk about people, we talk about sin because we hate sin,” Ries told the audience.

Well, thank Jesus for deciding not killing off your family, I guess, you nutball.

125 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:11pm

DERP

126 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:13pm

groaan

127 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:33pm

Gaze. I suggest others follow suit.

128 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:47pm

Low and slow. The meat is more tender and the additional smoke time makes it much more savory.

129 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:45:54pm

Weapons grade. Wants a buy in on derp:

130 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:46:20pm

re: #124 Kragar (Antichrist )

Pastor Raul Ries: I Was Going to Kill My Family When God Saved Me

Well, thank Jesus for deciding not killing off your family, I guess, you nutball.

LaPierre is totally okay with taking this guy’s guns away, right?

Right?

(echoes)

131 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:46:45pm

Image: ZZ1B443CBA.jpg

132 Political Atheist  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:46:47pm

re: #127 Gus

Gaze. I suggest others follow suit.

DrWho?

Nevamind.

133 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:47:33pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

Image: ZZ1B443CBA.jpg

I’m surprised it has lasted this long.

134 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:47:53pm

DERP

135 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:49:18pm

re: #111 Local Media Monitor

Point taken. Yes, Drudge is considered legit by some, strangely, in the brave new world of cyber-news, so if Drudge consistently cites Hoft, I guess Hoft has to be constantly re-discredited.

There’s room on the internet for re-discreditation of lots of wingnuts. Some feel Roger Hedgecock warrants the attention.

136 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:49:45pm

Much needed daily cuteness

137 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:50:24pm

Food Pr0n

138 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:50:28pm

re: #68 DrTesla

is Lou Dobbs considered right wing now? I thought that he was a liberal except on immigration. I didn’t know he was still on tv..

Your first failure was attempting to “think”.

139 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:50:29pm

I like the commenting system on here a lot better than the right wing websites I’ve been on.

140 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:51:10pm

Mmmm Pico de Gallo.

141 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:51:29pm
142 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:52:13pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

There’s room on the internet for re-discreditation of lots of wingnuts. Some feel Roger Hedgecock warrants the attention.

Hedgecock is a loon.

143 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:52:34pm

re: #141 Shvaughn

*CheaperThanDirt raises prices on all mines and mine-related items in stock*

144 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:52:39pm

re: #141 Shvaughn

DHS just purchased 2,717 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles for domestic use.

Hah, Balko. Sucker.

145 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:53:29pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Weapons grade. Wants a buy in on derp:

So wait. He trust the government report for number purchased, but doesn’t trust it for who is purchasing them. oookay.

146 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:53:50pm

DERP DERP DERP NOW THEIR ARE 27,000 TANKS!!!!!111!!

147 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:53:58pm

Well it looks like I will finally be able to get out to Vegas to see my dad next month. We haven’t seen each other in over 4 years. a 2000+ mile distance between will do that.

148 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:14pm

Hehgecock’s voice sounds just like Alan Colmes, I think. it’s weird since they are so far apart on politics.

149 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:17pm

What double-Standard? direct link

also posted on Pages

150 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:21pm

re: #135 wrenchwench
I don’t claim Hedgecock to be a national voice needing discrediting. I expose local wingnuts like him so that they don’t acquire any hint of legitimacy. Also, the potential listening audience of a large talk radio in an urban area is (I think) much larger than Hoft’s audience.
P.S. Hedgecock is repeating this Hoft BS despite acknowledging on Twitter that he knows of the debunking

151 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:22pm

re: #141 Shvaughn

Dear God it’s spreading.

152 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:32pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP DERP NOW THEIR ARE 27,000 TANKS!!!!!111!!

SEKRIT OBAMA BATTLE TANKS!

153 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:33pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP DERP NOW THEIR ARE 27,000 TANKS!!!!!111!!

DERP TO THE TENTH POWER!!

154 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:36pm

re: #145 kirkspencer

So wait. He trust the government report for number purchased, but doesn’t trust it for who is purchasing them. oookay.

The derp salad bar is all you can derp. Pick and choose the derp you like.

155 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:37pm
Anyone out there getting this yet?

Lol.

156 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:54:55pm

re: #140 Amory Blaine

Mmmm Pico de Gallo.

That’s the response I got on fB too! It’s Bruschetta.

157 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:55:41pm

Mmm bruschetta.

158 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:55:47pm

re: #134 Vicious Babushka

Oh joy. He’s reporting on the Lt. Gov. filing suit against the DMV for complying with the REAL ID program instituted under the Bush Administration. It’s all there in the underlying PDF. State law prohibits the information sharing and that forms the basis of the suit.

The gun permit was secondary to the suit. It has to do with how the DOR is handling REAL ID.

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:55:51pm

re: #141 Shvaughn

Radley Balko falls for Jim Hoft? That’s pathetic.

160 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:55:56pm

re: #150 Local Media Monitor

When you nail down exactly what level of influence Hoft has, after your many studies, please send out the appropriate data so that everyone can pay the right amount of attention to him.

161 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:56:22pm

Has anyone twitter-declared yet that the curiously communist-sounding Department of Homeland Security was actually Obama’s creation? I assume we’re only a few days away from derp of such breathtaking magnitude.

162 FemNaziBitch  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:56:37pm

Dogs want out, then we have training class.

bbl

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:56:39pm

re: #160 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

When you nail down exactly what level of influence Hoft has, after your many studies, please send out the appropriate data so that everyone can pay the right amount of attention to him.

You need a study to tell you to ignore Hoft? //

164 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:56:47pm

Tea Party pledges to buy 50,000 septic tanks.

As soon as they learn to drive them, they’re going to take back America.

165 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:56:56pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

Radley Balko falls for Jim Hoft? That’s pathetic.

166 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:57:05pm

Speaking of…

167 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:57:35pm

It’s so top secret that Wiki has it:

In September 2012, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.[89]

168 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:57:43pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

You need a study to tell you to ignore Hoft? //

I need no study to know I can’t afford to ignore him and his ilk.

Sadly.

169 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:57:47pm

re: #146 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP DERP NOW THEIR ARE 27,000 TANKS!!!!!111!!

There were less than 7,000 tanks total in the Battle of Kursk.

170 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:58:14pm

11ty billion tanks!!!

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:58:44pm

re: #170 Amory Blaine

11ty billion tanks!!!

The government just bought the bullet with your name on it.

172 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:58:46pm
173 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:58:50pm

re: #169 jaunte

27,000 tanks? The entire inventory of M1A2 in the entire US arsenal is about 26,000. We went from 2,700 tanks (that aren’t really tanks but MRAPs) to 27,000 tanks.

No tanks. You’re welcome.

174 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:59:01pm

re: #167 Dr. Matt

It’s so top secret that Wiki has it:

Check out where the footnote leads too! Hahaha!

175 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:59:11pm

re: #167 Dr. Matt

It’s so top secret that Wiki has it:

Great — Wikipedia now considers survivalist blogs to be valid sources?

176 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 3:59:19pm

YOU KNOW WHAT AGENCY IS A PART OF DHS? FEMA!

ZOMG FEMA BATTLE TANKS TO GUARD THE FEMA RE-EDUCATION CAMPS!!!!1ity

177 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:00:40pm

DERP DERP

178 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:00:46pm

re: #150 Local Media Monitor

I don’t claim Hedgecock to be a national voice needing discrediting. I expose local wingnuts like him so that they don’t acquire any hint of legitimacy. Also, the potential listening audience of a large talk radio in an urban area is (I think) much larger than Hoft’s audience.
P.S. Hedgecock is repeating this Hoft BS despite acknowledging on Twitter that he knows of the debunking

Everybody’s got their beat. I just don’t get complaining about someone else’s.

179 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:00:49pm

re: #172 Local Media Monitor

Derp.

180 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:01:15pm

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

Ouch.

181 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:01:35pm

Let me know when you’re done with dinner Doc I just finished up a good game of LoL.

182 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:01:38pm

I seriously think Roger Hedgecock is like the worst name ever.

183 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:01:58pm

re: #177 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP

Gee, whatever can he mean?
/

184 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:02:06pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

I seriously think Roger Hedgecock is like the worst name ever.

Pickles McDubious.

185 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:02:13pm

re: #182 Eclectic Cyborg

I seriously think Roger Hedgecock is like the worst name ever.

It’s likely that he was warped by all the teasing.

186 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:02:49pm

Godwin derp:

187 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:03:07pm

re: #145 kirkspencer

So wait. He trust the government report for number purchased, but doesn’t trust it for who is purchasing them. oookay.

Oh, you caught that too? :)

188 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:03:21pm

re: #174 Gus

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Good gawd….I clicked on it after I posted it. Wiki should be ashamed of itself.

Does anyone know how to tell if recent edits have been made to a Wiki page? I’m wondering if someone just added/replaced that URL today???

189 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:03:34pm

re: #186 Shvaughn

Obama Youth in tanks!

190 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:04:57pm

re: #150 Local Media Monitor

the potential listening audience of a large talk radio in an urban area is (I think) much larger than Hoft’s audience.

Er, not really. The Drudge Report is one of the Internet’s largest traffic drivers. When Hoft gets a link, he’s being seen by millions of people.

191 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:05:10pm

Free Obama tank rides to the FEMA camps!!!

192 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:06:05pm

re: #158 lawhawk

Further info on Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder of MO (R). He’s got himself a stripper scandal and had to drop out of the governor’s race last year as a result.

Kinder’s money woes are the latest in a series of political setbacks for the highest ranking Republican in Missouri state government. Kinder was forced to drop a planned campaign for governor late last year after a scandal involving use of tax dollars for hotel stays on political trips, along with his involvement with a stripper, whom he invited to move into a St. Louis condo he rented with campaign funds following the hotel dispute. The stripper, Tammy Chapman, told Riverfront Times last year that Kinder had made romantic advances toward her in the 1990s, when he was a state senator who frequented her strip club. Chapman then said that Kinder appeared in the St. Louis bar where she worked in 2011 and suggested that she move into his condo.

Kinder told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch last year that he did not offer the condo to Chapman and noted that he had stopped at the bar to use the bathroom and ended up randomly talking to Chapman, who was the bartender, when he decided to have a glass of wine.

Over the summer, Kinder was forced to admit that he would pay a penalty for not paying taxes on one of the three properties he owns in Cape Girardeau.

WINNING

193 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:06:44pm

re: #118 FemNaziBitch

I think we need some logo or something to denote days Charles has open registration. Bats flying around, maybe.

re: #123 Shvaughn

Why are you so fucking dense?

Oh, right, you’re trolling.

re: #126 jaunte

groaan

re: #127 Gus

Gaze. I suggest others follow suit.

Heh, I keep checking in every couple of hours to see if the coast is clear, but no such luck. All I see is you guys getting exponentially more exasperated. What DrDerp lacks in smarts he seems to make up for in persistence. Then there are the others… It’s beginning to feel like that locust swarm that just descended Egypt and is now moving into Israel.

Y’know in some Arab countries & the Persian Gulf area of Iran they catch ‘em, roast ‘em, and eat ‘em like snacks. Not kidding—I knew an Arab-Iranian guy from Ababdan who said his mom & the other women used to go out on the roofs and use their chadors like giant nets to catch the locusts. Plenty of crunchy, salty snacks for everyone! You guys might want to consider that as an option….

*places bowl of Valium in candy dish on table, tiptoes back out*

195 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:08:07pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

re: #123 Shvaughn

re: #126 jaunte

re: #127 Gus

Heh, I keep checking in every couple of hours to see if the coast is clear, but no such luck. All I see is you guys getting exponentially more exasperated. What DrDerp lacks in smarts he seems to make up for in persistence. Then there are the others… It’s beginning to feel like that that locust swarm that just descended Egypt and is now moving into Israel.

Y’know in some Arab countries & the Persian Gulf area of Iran they catch ‘em, roast ‘em, and eat ‘em like snacks. Not kidding—I knew an Arab-Iranian guy from Ababdan who said his mom & the other women used to go out on the roofs and use their chadors like giant nets to catch the locusts. Plenty of crunchy, salty snacks for everyone! You guys might want to consider that as an option….

*places bowl of Valium in candy dish on table, tiptoes back out*

Locusts lack buttocks.

196 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:09:12pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Er, not really. The Drudge Report is one of the Internet’s largest traffic drivers. When Hoft gets a link, he’s being seen by millions of people.

And making a shit ton of money off advertising clicks too, sadly.

197 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:09:32pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Study Says Drudge Report Drives More Traffic Than Facebook & Twitter Combined

That’s a sad commentary on America.

198 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:09:39pm

I loled

199 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:09:44pm

re: #178 wrenchwench

Fair enough. But there’s one person who doesn’t quite fit in this list: Limbaugh, FOX, Norquist, Christie, Hoft.

200 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:10:43pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

I loled

Uhhh, bonjour!

201 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:10:44pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

If that’s true, I stand corrected.

202 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:10:59pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

Er, not really. The Drudge Report is one of the Internet’s largest traffic drivers. When Hoft gets a link, he’s being seen by millions of people.

His reach-number spikes on Alexa would suggest that, after a Drudge referral, 0.06% of all internet users read his story. About 1.4 million people. And that’s only direct visits; it doesn’t count the word-of-mouth or secondary stories.

203 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:11:16pm

re: #167 Dr. Matt

It’s so top secret that Wiki has it:

Looks like someone originally cited gateway putz. The citation has been flagged. Hopefully it’s removed soon.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

204 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:11:18pm

re: #199 Local Media Monitor

Fair enough. But there’s one person who doesn’t quite fit in this list: Limbaugh, FOX, Norquist, Christie, Hoft.

They all fit. It’s a big internet. Plus, this.

205 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:11:31pm

re: #188 Dr. Matt

re: #175 Charles Johnson

Good gawd….I clicked on it after I posted it. Wiki should be ashamed of itself.

Does anyone know how to tell if recent edits have been made to a Wiki page? I’m wondering if someone just added/replaced that URL today???

It was originally added in November, I think. Someone tried to edit in a reference to Hoft’s post.

Here’s a link to the page history. One user tried to flag it as an unacceptable source — Flagged a reference to the U.S. DHS purchasing 2700 MRAPs as needing a better source, as the currently cited source is some random blog that cites some other random blog as its source — but dueling editors have been alternately adding and removing the citation to Hoft and the survivalist blog.

206 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:11:53pm

DERP & DERPER

207 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:12:24pm

re: #200 Eclectic Cyborg

Uhhh, bonjour!

Did I speak French?

208 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:12:30pm

re: #199 Local Media Monitor

Fair enough. But there’s one person who doesn’t quite fit in this list: Limbaugh, FOX, Norquist, Christie, Hoft.

Why are you obsessed with this?

209 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:12:48pm

re: #206 Vicious Babushka

DERP & DERPER

@kb5zht #DHS is sending armored vehicles to Chicago, Detroit and Athens…. Um, why? #wakeup America #Tgdn

It’s not too late to invest in Depends.

210 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:13:08pm

re: #193 CuriousLurker

re: #123 Shvaughn

re: #126 jaunte

re: #127 Gus

Heh, I keep checking in every couple of hours to see if the coast is clear, but no such luck. All I see is you guys getting exponentially more exasperated. What DrDerp lacks in smarts he seems to make up for in persistence. Then there are the others… It’s beginning to feel like that that locust swarm that just descended Egypt and is now moving into Israel.

Y’know in some Arab countries & the Persian Gulf area of Iran they catch ‘em, roast ‘em, and eat ‘em like snacks. Not kidding—I knew an Arab-Iranian guy from Ababdan who said his mom & the other women used to go out on the roofs and use their chadors like giant nets to catch the locusts. Plenty of crunchy, salty snacks for everyone! You guys might want to consider that as an option….

*places bowl of Valium in candy dish on table, tiptoes back out*

AND KOSHER TOO.

211 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:13:50pm

Gee, I wonder why not.

212 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:14:17pm

The derpian knot.

213 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:14:32pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

They might be kosher but that doesn’t mean I’d want to eat ‘em.

214 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:15:48pm

re: #205 Shvaughn

It was originally added in November, I think. Someone tried to edit in a reference to Hoft’s post.

Here’s a link to the page history. One user tried to flag it as an unacceptable source — Flagged a reference to the U.S. DHS purchasing 2700 MRAPs as needing a better source, as the currently cited source is some random blog that cites some other random blog as its source — but dueling editors have been alternately adding and removing the citation to Hoft and the survivalist blog.

Yeah, here is a side-by-side view of the original revision and the revision using the gateway Putz. The revision was added today:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Edit: The IP address of the person making the change to include gateway Putz is from Boise, ID (White supremacist heaven): [Link: iplocation.truevue.org…]

215 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:18:16pm

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

216 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:18:38pm

2700 MRAPs does seem like an excessive number.

217 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:19:03pm

re: #214 Dr. Matt

Edit: The IP address of the person making the change to include gateway Putz is from Boise, ID (White supremacist heaven): [Link: iplocation.truevue.org…]

Boise itself is relatively normal, as you’d expect for a regional population center. The suburbs and outlying communities…. woof.

218 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:19:16pm

re: #216 DrTesla

2700 MRAPs does seem like an excessive number.

…

219 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:19:32pm

re: #210 Vicious Babushka

AND KOSHER TOO.

Ha! I had no idea. An extra dded bonus. ;)

Locusts beware, the Vicious Babushka will grab you, fry you in some oil in spices, then chomp your empty little head right off.

220 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:19:36pm

The troll. Stop feeding it.

221 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:20:26pm

re: #219 CuriousLurker

Ha! I had no idea. An extra dded bonus. ;)

Locusts beware, the Vicious Babushka will grab you, fry you in some oil in spices, then chomp your empty little head right off.

PIE.

222 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:20:26pm

re: #216 DrTesla

2700 MRAPs does seem like an excessive number.

And your basis for making that statement is?

223 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:20:55pm

re: #220 erik_t

The troll. Stop feeding it.

Does a downding count as food?

224 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:21:01pm

re: #215 Vicious Babushka

#iwillnotcomply

More empty braggadocio. What, you won’t comply when stopped for speeding? You won’t pay your taxes?

225 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:21:43pm

re: #222 Kragar (Antichrist )

And your basis for making that statement is?

No basis needed. He’s just asking questions, y’know?

/

226 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:21:52pm

OT, but I’m writing an immigration themed novel, tentatively titled “Homeland” , set in the American Southwest. One of my characters is a Joe Arpaio inspired sheriff. Here’s a snippet in which my faux Arpaio is being interviewed by my reporter protagonist:

Jerry Palmer was the Toughest Sheriff in the Southwest. Or at least that’s what he told anyone who would listen. Palmer had been the Sheriff of Pinal County, Arizona, immediately south of Maricopa County (which Phoenix lay within) for over 25 years.

If there were two words that described him to a tee they were: Old school.

Palmer was a hard driving, tough love kind of a guy that had no problem speaking his mind and laying down the law…or at least his version of the law.

He was also one of the most outspoken anti-immigrant voices in the state of Arizona.

“You can call them Latinos, you can call them Mexicans or you can call them what I do: Damned ‘spics.”

“You’re painting with a pretty broad brush. What exactly did they do to offend you?”

Palmer scoffed. “Where in the heck do I begin? These wetbacks, they sneak into the country, waltz around like they own the place, start up trouble that threatens the safety of good people and take jobs from hard working Americans. I don’t know about you mister but to me that’s pretty offensive.”

227 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:22:18pm

re: #216 DrTesla

2700 MRAPs does seem like an excessive number.

In the government budgets sound be reduced or the something rotten in the state of Denmark kind of way?

228 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:22:23pm

re: #224 jaunte

#iwillnotcomply

More empty braggadocio. What, you won’t comply when stopped for speeding? You won’t pay your taxes?

He won’t claim his tax refund or cash his social security check!

229 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:22:48pm

re: #222 Kragar (Antichrist )

And your basis for making that statement is?

I don’t have a basis but 2700 of anything seems like a lot.

230 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:23:12pm

There are more than 17,000 state and local law enforcement agencies in the US.

231 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:23:22pm

re: #229 DrTesla

I don’t have a basis but 2700 of anything seems like a lot.

Unless it’s your monthly salary.

232 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:23:38pm

I searched google for ‘2700 tanks’ and on the first page that come up has links to Infowars, ask Yahoo, Prison Planet, Stormfront and some others I never heard of.

233 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:24:17pm

re: #229 DrTesla

I don’t have a basis but 2700 of anything seems like a lot.

Try thinking of it as only 56 per continental state.

234 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:25:08pm

Derpwin.

235 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:25:50pm

re: #232 NJDhockeyfan

I searched google for ‘2700 tanks’ and on the first page that come up has links to Infowars, ask Yahoo, Prison Planet, Stormfront and some others I never heard of.

Oh, and Current TV.

236 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:27:23pm

Pretty f*cking impressive:

Registered since: Mar 3, 2013 at 10:05 pm
Karma: -1,735

Some sort of “record”?

237 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:27:57pm

They don’t seem to realize that Congress paid for these “tanks.”

238 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:28:10pm

re: #236 Dr. Matt

Pretty f*cking impressive:

Some sort of “record”?

It’s shooting for 2000

239 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:29:02pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

It’s shooting for 2000

It’s shooting for 2700.

240 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:29:03pm

re: #238 NJDhockeyfan

It’s shooting for 2000

In 24 hours? Now THAT would be impressive

241 Eclectic Cyborg  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:29:26pm

OT, but I was thinking the other day about how if I was Obama I would totally have some fun at the expense of the wingnuts by announcing that I am creating a new award for service members:

Military
Upstanding
Service
Loyalty and
Integrity
Medal

242 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:29:34pm

re: #221 Vicious Babushka

PIE.

YES, locust pie! LOL

243 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:29:38pm

re: #239 erik_t

It’s shooting for 2700 2,717.

Edited for accuracy!

244 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:30:52pm

re: #231 Vicious Babushka

Unless it’s your monthly salary.

cheap shot, poor form to make fun of the unemployed.

245 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:31:02pm

re: #220 erik_t

The troll. Stop feeding it.

It’s clearly a zombie because it continues to live irrespective of food.

246 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:31:17pm

re: #243 makeitstop

Edited for accuracy!

When it gets to 2,717, sell!

247 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:31:19pm

re: #240 Dr. Matt

In 24 hours? Now THAT would be impressive

I, for one, am here to help.

248 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:31:55pm

re: #216 DrTesla

2700 MRAPs does seem like an excessive number.

For what?

249 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:32:42pm

LOL, Balko just doesn’t get the point despite Gus trying to educate him.

250 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:32:53pm

it seems like a slow news day in general.

251 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:33:06pm

re: #248 b_sharp

A musical.

252 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:33:36pm

re: #250 DrTesla

it seems like a slow news day in general.

Well if you want to pass the time I am ready to have a deep philosophical discussion at any time!

253 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:33:45pm

re: #229 DrTesla

I don’t have a basis but 2700 of anything seems like a lot.

Like 2700 brain cells?

Are you short a few?

254 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:33:45pm

re: #241 Eclectic Cyborg

Wait until they hear about the new Ordinance Battalion: Armored Motor Assault team. Or the Presidents Special High-Utility Special Service Engineering and Interdiction Navy.

255 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:34:24pm

re: #249 Shvaughn

LOL, Balko just doesn’t get the point despite Gus trying to educate him.

Yeah, he didn’t call them tanks, he just linked to a story about tanks.

256 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:34:31pm

re: #244 DrTesla

cheap shot, poor form to make fun of the unemployed.

Ah right, you’re the supposedly unemployed (by choice! but it’s Obama’s fault!) guy who wrote this:

i don’t think she’s a whore just bit of a bimbo who probably needs to get a real job.

Tell us again about how it’s poor form to make fun of the unemployed?

(Actually, don’t tell us. Just go away. You’re a terrible troll.)

257 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:35:46pm

I like Bimbo cakes.

258 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:36:02pm

re: #251 Amory Blaine

A musical.

Stage is too small.

259 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:36:08pm

re: #257 Amory Blaine

Bimbo is Italian for “Little baby boy”.

260 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:36:43pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

On the other hand, there are probably fake-moon-landing websites that get millions of hits. NASA doesn’t waste time debunking their every ridiculousness.

But Hoft is kind of in a grey area—obscure and ridiculous to the many, considered legit and cited by many others

261 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:36:53pm

Alleged escort in Daily Caller video: I was paid to make claims against Democratic senator

I really, really, really hope Tucker Carlson is involved in this scam.

262 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:37:35pm

re: #260 Local Media Monitor

On the other hand, there are probably fake-moon-landing websites that get millions of hits. NASA doesn’t waste time debunking their every ridiculousness.

But Hoft is kind of in a grey area—obscure and ridiculous to the many, considered legit and cited by many others

Why are you so very concerned about this?

263 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:38:12pm

“Die, troll, die” goes to court

264 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:38:55pm

well I need to go pick up a pizza.

I thought I had already “won” the abortion debate last night though.

265 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:39:20pm

re: #260 Local Media Monitor

On the other hand, there are probably fake-moon-landing websites that get millions of hits. NASA doesn’t waste time debunking their every ridiculousness.

NASA doesn’t, because it’s not their business. Likewise, the Department of Defense has not yet debunked this, because it’s not their business.

I think Phil Plait would disagree with you that crazy moon landing conspiracy theorists need not be addressed, and I disagree with you that Hoft need not be addressed.

266 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:40:35pm

re: #264 DrTesla

Don’t go!!! You’re < 250 away from 2000!!!!! You’re soo000 daaaamned close!!!

267 Local Media Monitor  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:40:46pm

re: #265 erik_t

fair enough

268 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:41:15pm

re: #264 DrTesla

well I need to go pick up a pizza.

I thought I had already “won” the abortion debate last night though.

I do not know what time zone you are in but we only talked a few hours ago as far I can recall.

Also, you never answered my question…

Does the fetus have the right to use the mother’s organs without her permission?

269 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:42:33pm

re: #266 Dr. Matt

Don’t go!!! You’re < 150 away from 2000!!!!! You’re soo000 daaaamned close!!!

I only have a -2 by my screenname? something doesn’t jive.

270 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:43:26pm

re: #268 jamesfirecat

well I will try to get back on here later, I don’t know if he has an open thread every night though.

271 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:43:26pm

re: #266 Dr. Matt

Don’t go!!! You’re < 150 away from 2000!!!!! You’re soo000 daaaamned close!!!

Your math is off — he’s actually a little under 250 away.

272 Mentis Fugit  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:43:34pm

re: #192 lawhawk

Further info on Lt. Gov. Peter Kinder of MO (R). He’s got himself a stripper scandal and had to drop out of the governor’s race last year as a result.

The dreaded OctoberKinder Surprise.

273 Dr. Matt  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:43:42pm

re: #271 Shvaughn

Your math is off — he’s actually a little under 250 away.

Already corrected.

274 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:44:39pm

re: #270 DrTesla

well I will try to get back on here later, I don’t know if he has an open thread every night though.

Eh Charles is fairly loosely goosed with what goes on in his threads once they hit triple digits.

That or we can have the conversation on a page made just for the purpose, whatever works best for you.

275 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:45:57pm

re: #269 DrTesla

Click on the football by your name.

While you’re at it, go to CSPAN and find Sandra Fluke’s actual testimony before Congress. You’ll find that she never once advocated for her own free birth control. Also, those pills aren’t always “less than ten dollars”,many are far more expensive(just to debunk yet another idiotic point that came up with this whole idiotic mess) and there’s no reason in hell they shouldn’t be covered by insurance like any other medication.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:49:14pm

re: #270 DrTesla

well I will try to get back on here later, I don’t know if he has an open thread every night though.

Is this your twitter page?

[Link: twitter.com…]

277 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:49:42pm

re: #244 DrTesla

cheap shot, poor form to make fun of the unemployed.

I used to be unemployed while Bush was Prizzy.

278 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:51:49pm

re: #275 A Mom Anon

Click on the football by your name.

While you’re at it, go to CSPAN and find Sandra Fluke’s actual testimony before Congress. You’ll find that she never once advocated for her own free birth control.

He’s been given a link to her testimony repeatedly. He refuses to read it.

He’s trolling.

279 SpaceJesus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:52:46pm

obama gonna zerg rush conservatives

280 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:53:01pm

Epic fail

– a new study has revealed that rude Internet comments warp the way you feel. As two of the report’s authors reveal in the New York Times, the Journal of Computer-Mediated Communication recently decided to explore what it refers to as “the nasty effect.” And if you’ve ever read the comments beneath a feature story or a YouTube video, the phrase needs no explanation.

281 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:53:04pm

OUTRAGE!

282 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:53:19pm

Funny how all trolls turn out to be the same.

283 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:53:24pm

re: #279 SpaceJesus

obama gonna zerg rush conservatives

Keke keke keke keke….

284 A Mom Anon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:53:38pm

re: #278 Shvaughn

Ah, well then I shall politely say…Bite me Troll Boy, after you go watch some CSPAN.

285 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:54:14pm

re: #276 NJDhockeyfan

Is this your twitter page?

[Link: twitter.com…]

That guy on twitter is a Canadian. This one we have is from North Carolina.

286 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:54:16pm

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

OUTRAGE!

Derp

287 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:55:24pm

re: #281 Vicious Babushka

OUTRAGE!

It’s almost as if Obama is a proper noun and god can be either.

288 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:56:04pm

re: #285 Shvaughn

That guy on twitter is a Canadian. This one we have is from North Carolina.

Cool, thanks.

289 palomino  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:56:20pm

re: #68 DrTesla

is Lou Dobbs considered right wing now? I thought that he was a liberal except on immigration. I didn’t know he was still on tv..

Where do you get such bizarre ideas like Dobbs is a liberal?

And you need to ask people on a blog if the guy is on TV. Do you live under a rock?

290 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:56:34pm

Republicans Once Again Try To Ban Same-Sex Weddings On Military Bases

Tim Huelskamp (R-KS) is once again trying to enshrine discrimination into the nation’s military.

His new bill, H.R. 914, the “Military Religious Freedom Protection Act,” contains more redundant protections for military chaplains, ensuring — as is already the case — that they cannot be penalized if their religious beliefs are not pro-gay. What seems evident is that those redundancies are simply a guise for the last little provision in the bill: a ban on same-sex marriages on military bases:

A military installation or other property owned, rented, or otherwise under the jurisdiction or control of the Department of Defense shall not be used to officiate, solemnize, or perform a marriage or marriage-like ceremony involving anything other than the union of one man with one woman.

291 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:57:16pm

Made a page.

Factchecking: ‘Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks’

292 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 4:59:41pm

re: #291 Gus

Gus, this sentence isn’t.

The conclusion that the 2,717 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles is false.

293 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:00:36pm

re: #292 Shvaughn

Gus, this sentence isn’t.

The conclusion that the 2,717 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles is false.

Thanks.

294 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:09:06pm

I’m not that thrilled with the prospect of a Hilary Clinton presidency. I rejected her in 2008 in favor of Barack Obama, and I guess I’m not as nonplussed as I used to be. My beef is that we have the prospect of electing a lot of “legacy” candidates. First, and most disastrously, George W. Bush, son of H, and now we have the prospect of a former first lady squaring off against another legacy candidate.

295 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:14:12pm

re: #294 SteveMcGazi

Out of almost 314 million Americans, we elect multiple people from the same elite families. It’s not pretty, and I hope it’ll stop happening.

296 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:15:33pm

Just to expound on my previous post, I didn’t have a problem with her vote in favor of the use of military force resolution in Iraq. I was against the war before it started, but I think voting against the resolution would have compromised the ability of the government to conduct policy. The decision to issue the go order rests with the President, and he bears the responsibility. What I didn’t like about her was the mind-set (not exclusive to her but it was a vibe I got from a lot of her supporters) that it was her turn. Then the sexism complaints turned me off again but the real capper was the Bosnian “Snipergate” fiasco. Further, everywhere she went, her numbers went down. By that I mean that whenever there was a protracted primary campaign (for a few weeks) she never gained support in the polls. In general, she would post election results that fell below her poll standing.

297 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:15:52pm

re: #294 SteveMcGazi

I’m not that thrilled with the prospect of a Hilary Clinton presidency. I rejected her in 2008 in favor of Barack Obama, and I guess I’m not as nonplussed as I used to be. My beef is that we have the prospect of electing a lot of “legacy” candidates. First, and most disastrously, George W. Bush, son of H, and now we have the prospect of a former first lady squaring off against another legacy candidate.

I’m nonplussed by the way you use “nonplussed”.

298 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:17:13pm

re: #297 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I’m nonplussed by the way you use “nonplussed”.

It’s been burning a hole in my pocket.

299 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:18:40pm

When you search for “DHS tanks,” you find that this is a meme that’s been repeated over and over by the right for years, every time they come across a report of armored vehicles being purchased by a non-military agency. This isn’t the first story that’s been massively distorted by the wingnut noise machine.

300 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:18:55pm

re: #298 SteveMcGazi

It’s been burning a hole in my pocket.

But seriously, I feel like Inigo Montoya here.

301 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:19:05pm

Gus, we could always contact Navistar for a statement if we wanted.

302 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:19:43pm

Where’s DF when the grill needs firing up? I’ve got the Thick and Hearty Troll Basting Sauce ready. Oh, and a nice Chianti…

303 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:19:44pm

I actually changed my registration (from R to D) to vote for Barack Obama in the PA primary, but I wonder how many people bothered to switch their registrations back. I did, on the off chance Pat Toomey gets a primary challenger.

304 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:22:05pm

re: #301 Shvaughn

Gus, we could always contact Navistar for a statement if we wanted.

You up to it?

Otherwise I’m sure they provide some vehicles to DHS. How many I don’t know but I’m quite certain they have no need for 2,700 MRAPs.

305 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:24:22pm

re: #303 SteveMcGazi

I actually changed my registration (from R to D) to vote for Barack Obama in the PA primary, but I wonder how many people bothered to switch their registrations back. I did, on the off chance Pat Toomey gets a primary challenger.

We’ve got open primaries here in Texas. Not that it matters.

Jesus couldn’t get elected here if he had a “D” after his name. The unwashed would assume he was a Meskin. And illegal.

306 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:24:44pm

re: #301 Shvaughn

Gus, we could always contact Navistar for a statement if we wanted.

[Link: www.usaspending.gov…]

Of course then if nothing shows up it goes back to being a sekrit!

307 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:24:55pm

re: #305 austin_blue

We’ve got open primaries here in Texas. Not that it matters.

Jesus couldn’t elected here if he had a “D” after his name. The unwashed would assume he was a Meskin. And illegal.

…and a liberal.

308 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:26:52pm

re: #295 JeffFX

Out of almost 314 million Americans, and we elect multiple people from the same elite families. It’s not pretty, and I hope it’ll stop happening.

Well, we have had that issue from our founding on and it keeps repeating periodically:

John Adams, John Quincy Adams.

William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison.

Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt.

JFK and RFK (assassinated before he had chance).

GHW Bush and GW Bush.

Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton ran failed 2008 campaign for Democratic nomination.

Now, we’ve got another possible Bush family member run for the Presidency.

309 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:27:01pm

Every so often I mix it up with some religious friends that Jesus wasn’t sent to Earth to die for our sins but to deliver the Beatitudes.

310 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:28:49pm

re: #308 lawhawk

Well, we have had that issue from our founding on and it keeps repeating periodically:

John Adams, John Quincy Adams.

William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison.

Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt.

JFK and RFK (assassinated before he had chance).

GHW Bush and GW Bush.

Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton ran failed 2008 campaign for Democratic nomination.

Now, we’ve got another possible Bush family member run for the Presidency.

Hadn’t thought about that. I just don’t like the feeling that three years before the campaign begins, we already have the default candidates.

311 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:28:55pm

Someone debunked this story back in 2012.

re: #304 Gus

You up to it?

I’ll think about it.

312 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:31:07pm

re: #2 Political Atheist

Idiot.
Tanks have artillery. (Think of the cadence just like “Trix Are For kids!” so Jim can understand)

Isn’t this just a surplus buy taking advantage of the drawdown? The fact they are mine resistant is irrelevant other than being impervious to some violent weather. These are excellent vehicles to have in stand offs with gunmen and people down. LAPD had to borrow a brinks truck during the infamous North Hollywood bank heist. Nice of Brinks to help but sheesh.

Thank you for saying that so I don’t have to. Commentators and reporters calling Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) “tanks” is perhaps my biggest pet peeve.

313 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:31:53pm

Search for Navistar and MRAP.

Nothing for DHS. All DOD.

2013.

314 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:32:24pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for saying that so I don’t have to. Commentators and reporters calling Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) “tanks” is perhaps my biggest pet peeve.

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

315 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:32:44pm

re: #311 Shvaughn

Someone debunked this story back in 2012.

I’ll think about it.

I imagine someone would have already. I didn’t look and just did my own quick and fresh look into it. It actually took me 1 second after I found that Navy contract award. :D

316 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:32:57pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for saying that so I don’t have to. Commentators and reporters calling Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) “tanks” is perhaps my biggest pet peeve.

Does it eat a lot of Purina Peeve Chow?

317 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:33:17pm

re: #314 SteveMcGazi

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

The Swedes beg to differ.

318 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:33:42pm

Moonbats still shilling for the Mullahs in Iran
‘AIPAC part of corrupt US politics’

319 SteveMcGazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:35:16pm

re: #317 erik_t

The Swedes beg to differ.

The Swedes have brain freeze.

320 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:37:11pm

re: #317 erik_t

The Swedes beg to differ.

I think calling it a battle wagon is the best idea ever.

321 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:37:59pm

re: #314 SteveMcGazi

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

MRAPs can be fitted with a turret, but it is a small one that at most can mount a 40mm automatic grenade launcher.

By contrast, the smallest tank turret currently produced is for the Russian PT-76 amphibious light to tank. It mounts a semi-auto 57mm high-velocity cannon whose HVAP-DS (Hyper-Velocity Armor-Piercing, Discarding Sabot) round would penetrate the armor of any wheeled APC currently in production.

322 makeitstop  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:38:08pm

re: #308 lawhawk

Well, we have had that issue from our founding on and it keeps repeating periodically:

John Adams, John Quincy Adams.

William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison.

Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt.

JFK and RFK (assassinated before he had chance).

GHW Bush and GW Bush.

Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton ran failed 2008 campaign for Democratic nomination.

Now, we’ve got another possible Bush family member run for the Presidency.

So… Sasha or Malia? :D

323 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:38:09pm

re: #313 Gus

OT Gus Thank you for the png files you made yesterday. I was able to download the striped one and now it is in my image library. I like the solid ones too but they flip back and forth too fast for me to capture the image and sent to my download file. Could you please list the two solid background stars in two separate listings?

324 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:38:28pm

History…

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org…]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org…]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org…]

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org…]

325 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:39:02pm

re: #315 Gus

From September 2012:

Navistar Defense to Upgrade 2,300 MRAPs to Defend Against Evolving Threats

LISLE, Ill., Sept. 19, 2012 /PRNewswire/ — Navistar Defense, LLC received a delivery order today for up to $282 million to provide more than 2,300 survivability upgrade retrofit kits for International® MaxxPro® Dash Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles. The order from the U.S. Army TACOM Life Cycle Management Command will upgrade MaxxPro Dash vehicles in theater with additional protection in response to evolving threats in Afghanistan. The order also includes parts and service.

(Logo: [Link: photos.prnewswire.com…]

“Anticipating the needs of our Armed Forces continues to be a top priority for Navistar and we are proud to offer the vehicle of choice to help them complete their missions safely,” said Archie Massicotte, president, Navistar Defense. “Threats continue to change and it is our responsibility to stay out ahead of those threats with the best technology available.”

The MaxxPro family of vehicles was originally designed to accommodate rapid vehicle enhancements as threats evolved in theater. Since 2007, the company has provided enhancements to both survivability and mobility through its work on its rolling chassis body swap, DXM™ independent suspension retrofit kits, armor kits and more.

If Navistar was booking a 2,700+ vehicle order, they would surely let people know about it, since it would affect the stock value with hundreds of millions of dollars in business.

DHS would likewise be indicating as much on its budgetary sites and paperwork.

326 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:39:59pm

LOL, Gus, I found this “Business Insider” story which has hilarious sourcing:

Homeland Security Is Serving Warrants Using Mine-Resistant Vehicles

The Department of Homeland Security has acquired over 2,700 military-style, mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles for use inside the U.S., according to reports from RT.

Yes, that’s RT as in Russia Today — and in fact, Russia Today’s Spanish language site.

327 lawhawk  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:40:39pm

re: #322 makeitstop

Naw, probably Sasha or Malia’s kids. Or cousins. That’s been the historical trend.

328 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:41:40pm

re: #326 Shvaughn

LOL, Gus, I found this “Business Insider” story which has hilarious sourcing:

Homeland Security Is Serving Warrants Using Mine-Resistant Vehicles

Yes, that’s RT as in Russia Today — and in fact, Russia Today’s Spanish language site.

I only read the braille version of the Russian Today Spanish Language website.

329 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:42:13pm

re: #328 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

lol

330 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:42:21pm

re: #326 Shvaughn

LOL, Gus, I found this “Business Insider” story which has hilarious sourcing:

Homeland Security Is Serving Warrants Using Mine-Resistant Vehicles

Yes, that’s RT as in Russia Today — and in fact, Russia Today’s Spanish language site.

Most of the time, Business Insider is a decent site. But too often when one of these “FEMA Camps!!!111” memes comes out the sites moderation fails to remove the nutcase who posts it.

331 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:42:35pm

BBL

332 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:44:43pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for saying that so I don’t have to. Commentators and reporters calling Armored Personnel Carriers (APCs) “tanks” is perhaps my biggest pet peeve.

Maybe we can put a big sign up on it in twenty seven different languages I am a troop transport not a tank, please don’t shoot me!


—The Pentagon Wars, describing the creation of the Bradley IFV.

333 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:44:52pm

re: #323 PhillyPretzel

OT Gus Thank you for the png files you made yesterday. I was able to download the striped one and now it is in my image library. I like the solid ones too but they flip back and forth too fast for me to capture the image and sent to my download file. Could you please list the two solid background stars in two separate listings?

Could you explain some more?

334 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:46:26pm

re: #333 Gus

Could you explain some more?

She means that when you link two images in the same LGF comment, they rotate between the two when they pop up. She’s asking if you can link them in separate LGF comments, so they don’t swap between the two.

335 wrenchwench  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:47:29pm

Image: h692C62D2.jpg

Later, lizards.

336 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:47:44pm

Oy, looks like I reeled in some manic anarchist.

337 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:48:11pm

re: #326 Shvaughn

LOL, Gus, I found this “Business Insider” story which has hilarious sourcing:

Homeland Security Is Serving Warrants Using Mine-Resistant Vehicles

Yes, that’s RT as in Russia Today — and in fact, Russia Today’s Spanish language site.

The story is mutating.

338 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:48:21pm

re: #333 Gus

You listed two images in one of these listings and it “jumps” from one to another.re: #334 Shvaughn

Please excuse me I am not a he. I am a she.

339 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:48:35pm
340 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:49:28pm

re: #338 PhillyPretzel

You listed two images in one of these listings and it “jumps” from one to another.re: #334 Shvaughn

Please excuse me I am not a he. I am a she.

Which listing?

341 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:49:36pm

re: #314 SteveMcGazi

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

The Stryker is really a wheeled Armored Personnel Vehicle with a 7.62 NATO machine gun mount. Nasty piece of work, but most definitely NOT a tank:

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com…]

This has tracks and a turret and is tank-like, but again, not a tank:

Image: File:1BFV01.jpg

Now, THIS is a tank:

Image: File:Abrams-transparent.png

342 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:49:40pm

re: #334 Shvaughn

He means that when you link two images in the same LGF comment, they rotate between the two when they pop up. He’s asking if you can link them in separate LGF comments, so they don’t swap between the two.

Just hit the space bar if this happens… that pauses the automatic slideshow.

343 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:50:04pm
344 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:50:15pm

re: #334 Shvaughn

Please excuse me I am not a he. I am a she.

My apologies! I’m a she too, so I should know better.

345 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:50:23pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

Thanks Charles. I will do that. :)

346 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:50:50pm

re: #342 Charles Johnson

Just hit the space bar if this happens… that pauses the automatic slideshow.

Ah, that. That’s what Philly Pretzel is asking about.

347 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:52:14pm

re: #334 Shvaughn

She means that when you link two images in the same LGF comment, they rotate between the two when they pop up. She’s asking if you can link them in separate LGF comments, so they don’t swap between the two.

I complained about the “slide show” feature some time ago, and Charles pointed out that you can pause it by pressing the space bar.

ETA: late again.

348 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:58:40pm

People are just getting crazier.

349 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:59:32pm

Thank you Charles, Gus and Shvaughn. I got all three images I want in my image library. And I learned that putting something in download is relatively easy. :)

350 thedopefishlives  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:00:15pm

re: #348 Gus

People are just getting crazier.

I think the Internet makes the spread of crazy easier. People have easy access to whatever flavor of derp whets their appetite.

351 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:05:14pm

re: #348 Gus

People are just getting crazier.

Not really. I think most of the same people that were idiots in the past are idiots today.

352 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:08:09pm

re: #349 PhillyPretzel

Thank you Charles, Gus and Shvaughn. I got all three images I want in my image library. And I learned that putting something in download is relatively easy. :)

YW

353 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:09:31pm

Yes. Obama has ordered 2,700 light-armored tanks and he will use them to have the DHS start rounding up people and sending them to FEMA camps!

354 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:12:19pm

re: #353 Gus

Yes. Obama has ordered 2,700 light-armored tanks and he will use them to have the DHS start rounding up people and sending them to FEMA camps!

Will he used them to support the Food Stamp Mobs?

355 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:13:43pm

is this the evening meeting of the Anti-Derpological Institute?

356 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:16:46pm

re: #350 thedopefishlives

I think the Internet makes the spread of crazy easier. People have easy access to whatever flavor of derp whets their appetite.

the innernet enables derposynthesis

357 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:19:32pm

Pew: When it Comes to Politics, Twitter Is Nasty, Brutish, and Short

Reaction to U.S. politics on Twitter can swing liberal or conservative depending upon the context. But one attitude that dominates the microblogging platform is negativity, according to a year-long Pew Research Center study.

358 b_sharp  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:20:11pm

re: #357 dragonath

Pew: When it Comes to Politics, Twitter Is Nasty, Brutish, and Short

No shit.

359 bubba zanetti  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:20:19pm

270,000 BATTLETOADS?

360 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:22:13pm

re: #357 dragonath

Pew: When it Comes to Politics, Twitter Is Nasty, Brutish, and Short

nasty, british, and short?

i say! what? what?

361 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:23:12pm

Speaking of excessive levels of derpitude…

Scott Lively: The Bi-Sexual T**d in the Gay Wedding Punchbowl

The next time you’re at a “gay ’ wedding with political, media or other important pro-gay-marriage celebrities, and one of them gets up with a glass of wedding punch to toast Partner A and Partner B for their courage to “be themselves,” here’s a question to shout out (in a feigned drunken slur) from the back: “Hey, Dude, why don’t you support bi-sexual marriage too? Are you some kind of bigot?“

Chances are if you’re reading this article, you’re not the sort of person likely to be found at such an event, but the point is that bi-sexual marriage is the very last thing that any of our opponents want to discuss, and we pro-family conservatives should really be forcing them to do it at every opportunity.

Think about it. A bi-sexual marriage would require an absolute minimum of four people. You’d have same sex partners A and B just like in the “gay marriage,” but you’d also need to have a heterosexual partner for both A and B.

362 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:24:28pm
363 Iwouldprefernotto  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:25:08pm

re: #361 Kragar (Antichrist )

Speaking of excessive levels of derpitude…

Scott Lively: The Bi-Sexual T**d in the Gay Wedding Punchbowl

My guess is that Mr. Sanatorum doesn’t get invited to a lot of gay weddings.

364 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:25:15pm

re: #361 Kragar (Antichrist )

Speaking of excessive levels of derpitude…

Scott Lively: The Bi-Sexual T**d in the Gay Wedding Punchbowl

That’s amazingly stupid on a number of levels.

365 palomino  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:25:18pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

Moonbats still shilling for the Mullahs in Iran
‘AIPAC part of corrupt US politics’

Press TV is an Iranian news organization based in Tehran. Of course they’re shilling for the mullahs, since to do otherwise is probably illegal (or at least severely punishable off the books) in a place like Iran. They’re a propaganda outlet.

What exactly does this have to do with American/Western moonbats?

366 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:26:57pm

re: #343 Kragar (Antichrist )

Wait, WTF? Where’s the “tyranny” in Detroit that I don’t know about? Yeah the city went into receivership and is owned by the state, what does that have to do with “tyranny”?

Anyway I thought Bryan would be happy that the GOP tea party Governor now owns Detroit.

367 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:27:04pm

A bi-sexual marriage would require an absolute minimum of

or what we bit pushers would call a combinatorial explosion

368 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:27:22pm

re: #365 palomino

Press TV is an Iranian news organization based in Tehran. Of course they’re shilling for the mullahs, since to do otherwise is probably illegal (or at least severely punishable off the books) in a place like Iran. They’re a propaganda outlet.

What exactly does this have to do with American/Western moonbats?

Well, the article interviews a professor identified as an “Occupy protester”, thus Trout’s interest.

369 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:27:55pm

re: #361 Kragar (Antichrist )

Why do people think bisexuals have to have sex with both genders to be somehow fully satisfied? It makes no sense. Hell, women are very different from each other, but I don’t have to have sex with hundreds and hundreds just because there’s a lot of variety. I just have sex with hundred and hundreds because I am a lover robot sent here from the future to get funky. I’m sad on the inside, though. It’s complex.

370 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:29:00pm

re: #351 Killgore Trout

Oh, BTW, these are for you:

Frogpig
Frippo
Frogodile

This one’s for everybody:

Leopliz

371 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:30:19pm

DERP Everybody in a pressurized aircraft has a gun, what could possibly go wrong?

372 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:30:23pm

Tyranny is all the rage today for DC politicians.

//

373 Killgore Trout  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:30:54pm

re: #365 palomino

Press TV is an Iranian news organization based in Tehran. Of course they’re shilling for the mullahs, since to do otherwise is probably illegal (or at least severely punishable off the books) in a place like Iran. They’re a propaganda outlet.

What exactly does this have to do with American/Western moonbats?

The person being interviewed is an American Moonbat and Occupy activist. OWS is a constant supply of anti-American Propaganda on Iranian state TV.

374 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:32:04pm

re: #371 Vicious Babushka

Same derp that created this derptoon.

375 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:32:31pm

re: #314 SteveMcGazi

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

Tracks is debatable. And the comparison between light tank and heavy infantry carriers can make the line even fuzzier. (Add for fun the Merkava. It is, according to Israel, a heavy tank. The fact it also transports a half-squad of infantry doesn’t change what they call it.)

Tank is really a role. It’s a vehicle that provides a mobile, armored, heavy punch during assaults. If one side has nothing then a Gustav Recoilless Rifle mounted on a pintle in the back of a Toyota Unibody is a “tank”. (aka Mogadishu Special).

376 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:32:50pm

re: #370 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, there are for you:

Frogpig
Frippo
Frogodile

This one’s for everybody:

Leopliz

Move over, crocoduck!

377 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:37:42pm

While all the derp was going on I took a break to make us a better “Don’t feed the troll” sign using this image (because he looks exactly like what I think a troll should look like). It was fun.

Here’s my version.

378 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:39:10pm

re: #370 CuriousLurker

Oh, BTW, these are for you:

Frogpig
Frippo
Frogodile

This one’s for everybody:

Leopliz

i just explained to my co-workers from india the meaning of the term “jackalope”

379 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:40:26pm

re: #378 engineer cat

i just explained to my co-workers from india the meaning of the term “jackalope”

They sell canned jackalope milk back in Texas. Heh.

380 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:42:53pm

Can someone please translate Bryanese? This makes no sense.

381 JeffFX  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:44:22pm

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

goes= governors.

It probably unhealthy to care what the grinning orange asshat is saying.

382 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:44:32pm

re: #377 CuriousLurker

While all the derp was going on I took a break to make us a better “Don’t feed the troll” sign using this image (because he looks exactly like what I think a troll should look like). It was fun.

Here’s my version.

Well done! I especially like that it’s digging for nose gold.

383 sagehen  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:44:56pm

re: #308 lawhawk

Well, we have had that issue from our founding on and it keeps repeating periodically:

John Adams, John Quincy Adams.

William Henry Harrison, Benjamin Harrison.

Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin D. Roosevelt.

JFK and RFK (assassinated before he had chance).

GHW Bush and GW Bush.

Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton ran failed 2008 campaign for Democratic nomination.

Now, we’ve got another possible Bush family member run for the Presidency.

The first Republican nominee (1856) was John C Fremont, appointed governor of California when it first became a state but hadn’t yet had elections. He was the son-in-law of Sen. Thomas Benton of Missouri.

384 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:45:05pm

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

Can someone please translate Bryanese? This makes no sense.

Encouraging the 47%ers in your state to move elsewhere.

385 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:45:41pm

re: #362 Gus

Tweetdeck mobile apps - not surprising that they were discontinued. Very high suck factor.

The desktop version of Tweetdeck is still being actively updated, though, and doesn’t suck.

386 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:47:25pm

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

Can someone please translate Bryanese? This makes no sense.

He thinks that if all the freeloaders move to those states, the liberal states will sink while the states with reduced populations will surge upward.

He’s missing some things, of course. Such things as the fact the poor do pay taxes. The fact that the poor also spend money and that drives an economy upward. The fact that the increased opportunity for health care is probably going to be a major boon for small startup businesses; not only can they afford insurance, but many individuals who have thought of starting have been stopped in the past by the loss of their company benefits.

Basically, he’s playing the whole red mind/blue mind issue out again. “If we just get rid of the impure we’ll be GREAT - hey, where did everybody go?”

387 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:48:15pm

re: #382 austin_blue

Well done! I especially like that it’s digging for nose gold.

LOL, thanks. Yeah, that part seems especially fitting.

388 BongCrodny  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:49:20pm

re: #380 Vicious Babushka

Can someone please translate Bryanese? This makes no sense.

From the looks of it, it’s something Jesus would have despised.

389 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 6:55:40pm

DERP. Wingnut believes wingnut Photoshop is real, hilarious derprage ensues.

390 austin_blue  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:00:39pm

re: #388 BongCrodny

From the looks of it, it’s something Jesus would have despised.

A classic line from Max von Sydow in Hannah and Her Sisters:

“If Jesus came back and saw what was being done in his name, he wouldn’t be able to stop throwing up.”

391 jamesfirecat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:03:41pm

re: #386 kirkspencer

He thinks that if all the freeloaders move to those states, the liberal states will sink while the states with reduced populations will surge upward.

He’s missing some things, of course. Such things as the fact the poor do pay taxes. The fact that the poor also spend money and that drives an economy upward. The fact that the increased opportunity for health care is probably going to be a major boon for small startup businesses; not only can they afford insurance, but many individuals who have thought of starting have been stopped in the past by the loss of their company benefits.

Basically, he’s playing the whole red mind/blue mind issue out again. “If we just get rid of the impure we’ll be GREAT - hey, where did everybody go?”

It is down to me and thee and I am none to sure of thee…

392 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:03:59pm

re: #390 austin_blue

A classic line from Max von Sydow in Hannah and Her Sisters:

“If Jesus came back and saw what was being done in his name, he wouldn’t be able to stop throwing up.”

If the Rapture were ever to occur, I’m pretty sure there would be quite a few of “The Faithful” standing around wondering why they were still here.

393 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:04:36pm

Oh look. Andrew Malcolm is concerned!

Derp.

Political news & commentary from Andrew Malcolm of Investor’s Business Daily. (formerly Top of the Ticket @ latimestot)

IBD is home to much derp.

394 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:06:03pm

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

I’m guessing USABob has some right-wing financial backing behind it.

395 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:06:23pm

DERP


GODWIN DERP

396 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:06:48pm
397 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:07:06pm

re: #389 Vicious Babushka

USABob unaware of Comic Sans.

398 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:08:12pm

GO GALT ALREADY DUMBASS (“NAZI” REGIME IS READING UR TWEETS)

399 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:08:30pm

re: #359 bubba zanetti

270,000 BATTLETOADS?

Hardest game ever.

400 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:09:36pm

THESE DERPTARDS ARE SO DERPING DUMB

401 CuriousLurker  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:10:14pm

The fine art version of Worth1000.

Yeah, I’m in my own little world today, busy drowning out the cacophony of the barking dogs. Oh wait, I have a Page I wanted to post….

402 erik_t  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:10:32pm

re: #398 Vicious Babushka

GO GALT ALREADY DUMBASS (“NAZI” REGIME IS READING UR TWEETS)

@mzagorski If you are a Democrat voter you are doomed to be the first in line when your rotten socialist regime forces people into the showers! #tcot

Wouldn’t our vote-for-gift 47%er selves continue to be rewarded by the rotten socialist regime? Shouldn’t the enemies of the regime be the first to go?

I’m confused.

403 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:11:21pm

LOVE THE PINK VEST

404 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:12:49pm

Appx 800,000 Law Enforcement employees working at various local, state, and Federal levels.

2 Billions rounds break down to 2500 rounds per person, to be used for training, emergency stockpiles, performance of their duties, etc.

Assuming they practice only once a month, using 4 15 rounds magazines, they use 960 rounds a year right off the bat. Most of the time they will use a far more.

Oh, the horror.

405 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:12:58pm

re: #403 Vicious Babushka

Aren’t THEY the problem?

“Hey, why’d we have to cancel our Yellowstone trip?
Government snowplows, never working…”

406 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:16:50pm

re: #404 Kragar (Antichrist )

Appx 800,000 Law Enforcement employees working at various local, state, and Federal levels.

2 Billions rounds break down to 2500 rounds per person, to be used for training, emergency stockpiles, performance of their duties, etc.

Assuming they practice only once a month, using 4 15 rounds magazines, they use 960 rounds a year right off the bat. Most of the time they will use a far more.

Oh, the horror.

add, “Over a 5 year period.” Suddenly the 2 billion at 960 per year per person looks too small.

407 blueraven  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:19:26pm

This may be old news. I haven’t had the chance to read a lot of posts over the past few days but;

Escort says Menendez prostitution claims were made up

The videotaped claims of two women, made with their faces obscured, were posted on the conservative Web site the Daily Caller. The site reported that “the two women said they met Menendez around Easter at Casa de Campo, an expensive 7,000-acre resort in the Dominican Republic. . . . They claimed Menendez agreed to pay them $500 for sex acts, but in the end they each received only $100.”

Daily Caller Editor Tucker Carlson did not reply to phone calls and e-mails requesting comment.

408 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:23:04pm

DERP

409 palomino  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:26:36pm

re: #373 Killgore Trout

The person being interviewed is an American Moonbat and Occupy activist. OWS is a constant supply of anti-American Propaganda on Iranian state TV.

So an Iranian propaganda rag found an American to say bad stuff about America.

Once again, your OWSDS takes over. Long ago it became a giant yawn.

410 Amory Blaine  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:29:47pm

Lara Croft’s hair bringing computers to their knees tonight.

Youtube Video
411 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:37:24pm

I seem to remember Rumsfeld attempting to make it harder to obtain surplus at the civilian level, but I can’t find the article online. Funny how people seem to care about warrantless wiretapping now. I mean, what possibly could have…

Oh yeah, Obama’s melanin level.

Carry on.

412 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:38:58pm

re: #410 Amory Blaine

Lara Croft’s hair bringing computers to their knees tonight.

[Embedded content]

meh. I don’t have tons of money or playing times so my list for the year is short - and Lara’s not on it.

Did Borderlands 2.
Bioshock Infinite, of course.
Remember Me looks like an upgraded Mirror’s Edge.
Last of Us has me hooked on the potential story.
and Total War: Rome 2 looks to have fixed many of the nuisances of Shogun II.

413 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:39:16pm

re: #411 dragonath

I seem to remember Rumsfeld attempting to make it harder to obtain surplus at the civilian level, but I can’t find the article online. Funny how people seem to care about warrantless wiretapping now. I mean, what possibly could have…

Oh yeah, Obama’s melanin level.

Carry on.

There’s that too. So let’s see. They want border security but don’t want them to use surplus MRAPs? What the feck is wrong with these people? Rhetorical question.

414 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:40:35pm

re: #413 Gus

There’s that too. So let’s see. They want border security but don’t want them to use surplus MRAPs? What the feck is wrong with these people? Rhetorical question.

They seem to have forgotten that ICE and border patrol are part of DHS. But then these are the same people who want the government to stay out of their medicare and their military. Go figure.

415 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:42:57pm

But, Obama could have totally gutted the science budget to pay for all this.

416 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:46:13pm

re: #412 kirkspencer

meh. I don’t have tons of money or playing times so my list for the year is short - and Lara’s not on it.

Did Borderlands 2.
Bioshock Infinite, of course.
Remember Me looks like an upgraded Mirror’s Edge.
Last of Us has me hooked on the potential story.
and Total War: Rome 2 looks to have fixed many of the nuisances of Shogun II.

Holding out for the Elder Scrolls MMO. Got registered for the Beta, got an excellent chance according to my application.

417 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:52:51pm

I ate too much tonight, but in my defense, it was home made ramen with slow roasted ginger pork we made ourselves.

418 kirkspencer  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:53:11pm

re: #416 Kragar (Antichrist )

Holding out for the Elder Scrolls MMO. Got registered for the Beta, got an excellent chance according to my application.

Cool. Not doing MMOs for a while as they just require too much time commitment. And there’s the fact that the Elder Scrolls intermittently bore me - certainly when I try to play through a second time. (My fault - I”m something of a completionist on my first run and it doesn’t leave a lot to see anew on later runs.)

419 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:57:11pm

re: #418 kirkspencer

Cool. Not doing MMOs for a while as they just require too much time commitment. And there’s the fact that the Elder Scrolls intermittently bore me - certainly when I try to play through a second time. (My fault - I”m something of a completionist on my first run and it doesn’t leave a lot to see anew on later runs.)

I’ve only really gotten into the series with Skyrim, but I’ve been playing that for what seems like forever now. I like what I’ve heard so far about their engine, doing away with the canned classes that are the staple of every other MMO.

420 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:58:13pm

re: #419 Kragar (Antichrist )

I’ve only really gotten into the series with Skyrim, but I’ve been playing that for what seems like forever now. I like what I’ve heard so far about their engine, doing away with the canned classes that are the staple of every other MMO.

Play Morrowind..
Seriously.

421 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 7:58:16pm

re: #314 SteveMcGazi

I figure to qualify as a tank it needs to at least have tracks and a turret.

For me it’s main armament, the way that armament is mounted and armour thickness.

MICV (Mobile Infantry Combat Vehicles) like the Bradley and the BMP have turrets and treads but thin armour and a gun meant for engaging infantry and soft skinned/lightly armoured vehicles like themselves.

Mobile artillery has treads and a big gun. But the armour is thin and the gun is mounted for indirect fire.

Mobile AAA like the ZSU-23-4 have a turret and treads but thin armour plus multiple small guns that are mounted for anti-aircraft work.

MBTs like the Abrams and the Leopard II have thick, multi-layer armour (especially on the front), a large turret, a large gun mounted for direct fire and wide treads to get all that weight across country.

My take anyway. MICVs have some anti-tank capability as all carry ATGMs (anti-tank guided missiles) these days. Mobile artillery has munitions like SADARM that can destroy armoured vehicles at a fair distance.

So there’s a lot of overlap.

422 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:00:39pm

re: #420 Varek Raith

Play Morrowind..
Seriously.

Hey. Profile pic… Here’s a newer and improved version…

Image: Brotherhood-of-Steel-6.png

423 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:01:27pm

re: #420 Varek Raith

Play Morrowind..
Seriously.

Put it on my wish list on Steam, I’ll wait for a sale. I picked up Oblivion a while back but never got around to playing it.

424 engineer cat  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:05:30pm

another one of those creepy nights when police helicopters hover over oakland

makes me feel like i’m living in blade runner

425 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:05:50pm

re: #422 Gus

Hey. Profile pic… Here’s a newer and improved version…

Image: Brotherhood-of-Steel-6.png

Sexy.

426 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:06:26pm

re: #422 Gus

Hey. Profile pic… Here’s a newer and improved version…

Image: Brotherhood-of-Steel-6.png

Any way you can lift the wolf’s head from this image?

Image: Space_Wolves_Livery.jpg

427 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:07:30pm

Test.

428 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:07:39pm

re: #426 Kragar (Antichrist )

Any way you can lift the wolf’s head from this image?

Image: Space_Wolves_Livery.jpg

Wood need a bigger image to make it easier.

429 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:08:53pm

re: #428 Gus

Wood need a bigger image to make it easier.

Gimme a few.

430 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:06pm

re: #428 Gus

Would need a bigger image to make it easier.

WOULD!

Derp.

431 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:06pm

So, going to get anywhere from 7-15 inches of snow Tuesday night into Wednesday.

432 dragonath  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:25pm

The whole comet passing Mars story has me feeling freaky. This is only couple of days after Fox was showing pictures of a Big Mac superimposed over the planet.

Mars Menus!

How’s that space program coming along folks?

433 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:47pm

re: #430 Gus

WOULD!

Derp.

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

434 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:09:56pm

re: #429 Kragar (Antichrist )

Gimme a few.

Image: 14511_WOLF_ICON.png

435 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:10:30pm

re: #433 Varek Raith

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Guess I typed out the nearest word in mah brain.

436 Bear  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:10:51pm

re: #433 Varek Raith

One cord?

437 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:11:37pm

re: #434 Gus

Image: 14511_WOLF_ICON.png

Yeah, saw that one, but looking for a simpler design.

438 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:12:55pm

re: #437 Kragar (Antichrist )

Yeah, saw that one, but looking for a simpler design.

I’ll start working on something with this one. Need kind of a break here for that however. :D

439 jaunte  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:14:32pm

re: #433 Varek Raith

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Image: SuperBuy_.jpg

440 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:15:07pm

re: #438 Gus

I’ll start working on something with this one. Need kind of a break here for that however. :D

Maybe this, just turned clockwise some.

Image: SpaceWolvesSymbol.jpg

441 Varek Raith  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:17:28pm

re: #440 Kragar (Antichrist )

Maybe this, just turned clockwise some.

Image: SpaceWolvesSymbol.jpg

I knew you were a Wolf Raider!

442 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:18:59pm

re: #441 Varek Raith

I knew you were a Wolf Raider!

Youtube Video
443 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:20:09pm

re: #440 Kragar (Antichrist )

Maybe this, just turned clockwise some.

Image: SpaceWolvesSymbol.jpg

Like this?

Image: Wolf-Icon.png

444 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:21:11pm

re: #443 Gus

Like this?

Image: Wolf-Icon.png

Almost, any way you can swap the gold and black?

445 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:29:31pm

re: #444 Kragar (Antichrist )

Almost, any way you can swap the gold and black?

Image: Wolf-Icon-2.png

446 Kragar (Antichrist )  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:32:03pm

re: #445 Gus

Image: Wolf-Icon-2.png

Cool, gonna use that on my 40k cases and paperwork.

447 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:39:25pm

re: #433 Varek Raith

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?

448 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:45:24pm

re: #296 SteveMcGazi

Just to expound on my previous post, I didn’t have a problem with her vote in favor of the use of military force resolution in Iraq. I was against the war before it started, but I think voting against the resolution would have compromised the ability of the government to conduct policy. The decision to issue the go order rests with the President, and he bears the responsibility. What I didn’t like about her was the mind-set (not exclusive to her but it was a vibe I got from a lot of her supporters) that it was her turn. Then the sexism complaints turned me off again but the real capper was the Bosnian “Snipergate” fiasco. Further, everywhere she went, her numbers went down. By that I mean that whenever there was a protracted primary campaign (for a few weeks) she never gained support in the polls. In general, she would post election results that fell below her poll standing.

Steve, I like you dude, but that is some excuse making right there for Hillary’s vote for the war. If Congress had voted down that war, I can’t see Bush going ahead with it. You basically say here Democrats have no share of the blame for putting our soldiers in Iraq despite voting for it. Democrats voters have been beating up on Republicans voters for years for this war yet we didn’t conceive of it or vote for it.

449 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:50:55pm

re: #448 DrTesla

Steve, I like you dude, but that is some excuse making right there for Hillary’s vote for the war. If Congress had voted down that war, I can’t see Bush going ahead with it. You basically say here Democrats have no share of the blame for putting our soldiers in Iraq despite voting for it. Democrats voters have been beating up on Republicans voters for years for this war yet we didn’t conceive of it or vote for it.

450 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:51:24pm

re: #268 jamesfirecat

I do not know what time zone you are in but we only talked a few hours ago as far I can recall.

Also, you never answered my question…

Does the fetus have the right to use the mother’s organs without her permission?

The fetus is a human being inside his or her mother. I don’t think it is an issue of permission.

Are you trying to say the fetus is a parasite? Even if I concede that, it doesn’t mean it’s not human life. A baby outside the womb is still dependent on her parents to survive.

451 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:52:11pm

re: #450 DrTesla

The fetus is a human being inside his or her mother. I don’t think it is an issue of permission.

Are you trying to say the fetus is a parasite? Even if I concede that, it doesn’t mean it’s not human life. A baby outside the womb is still dependent on her parents to survive.

452 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 8:56:26pm

re: #275 A Mom Anon

Click on the football by your name.

While you’re at it, go to CSPAN and find Sandra Fluke’s actual testimony before Congress. You’ll find that she never once advocated for her own free birth control. Also, those pills aren’t always “less than ten dollars”,many are far more expensive(just to debunk yet another idiotic point that came up with this whole idiotic mess) and there’s no reason in hell they shouldn’t be covered by insurance like any other medication.

Why can’t she get her boyfriend to pay for the birth control? It was my understanding she was dating some guy who had a lot of money. All she has to do is tell her boyfriend that if they want sex, they got to pay for .the birth control.

I’ve also pointed out that there are Planned Parenthood clinics near Georgetown that they could get birth control at.

453 Interesting Times  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:07:27pm

People who bemoan the existence of abortion while blocking efforts to make birth control more accessible are hypocritical cretins with no credibility whatsoever.

Also, “failure to provide the necessities of life” does not extend to one’s own body. If someone has a dependent adult in their care, they’re obligated by law to ensure that person has food, water, etc., but they can’t be forced by law to donate blood, a kidney, or any other part of their body, even if it’s necessary to save that person’s life.

Or are pro-birth anti-choicers in favor of mandatory blood and organ donation now?

454 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:22:25pm

Here is some portion of the Fluke testimony with my comments:

“When I look around my campus, I see the faces of the women affected by this lack of contraceptive coverage.” Can Fluke read minds? What does the face of somebody suffering from lack of contraceptive coverage look like? Is it possible they have other things on their mind? I would think it highly probable most law school students are not thinking about bc coverage and costs.

“And especially in the last week, I have heard more and more of their stories. On a daily basis, I hear yet from another woman from Georgetown or from another school or who works for a religiously-affiliated employer, and they tell me that they have suffered financially and emotionally and medically because of this lack of coverage.”
this just isn’t believable given the low costs and accessibility of birth control.

“Without insurance coverage, contraception, as you know, can cost a woman over $3,000 during law school. For a lot of students who, like me, are on public interest scholarships, that’s practically an entire summer’s salary. 40% of the female students at Georgetown Law reported to us that they struggle financially as a result of this policy.”
40% of female students at Gtown law struggle financially b/c of the cost of birth control which isn’t expensive? C’mon man.

“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.”
So did this woman stop having sex, or is she having sex without using birth control and risking pregnancy? I assume the latter b/c Fluke doesn’t seem to think not having sex if you can’t afford birth control is an possibility.

“Just last week, a married female student told me that she had to stop using contraception because she and her husband just couldn’t fit it into their budget anymore. Women employed in low-wage jobs without contraceptive coverage face the same choice.”
So are to assume this married couple is still having sex and risking pregnancy, or abstaining from sex, due to the high cost of contraception? She doesn’t make it clear.

“And some might respond that contraception is accessible in lots of other ways. Unfortunately, that’s just not true.”
She’s flat out wrong about this.

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”
As I uncovered earlier, birth control isn’t prescribed to treat this ovary cyst thing. She also admits here that Georgetown DOES cover it but only for medical reasons so it is even more disengenous for her to bring it up in the context of birth control. I think most Fluke fans have argued that Georgetown doesn’t cover contraceptives for non-birth control purposes, and that appears to be false.

455 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:24:32pm

re: #453 Interesting Times

People who bemoan the existence of abortion while blocking efforts to make birth control more accessible are hypocritical cretins with no credibility whatsoever.

Also, “failure to provide the necessities of life” does not extend to one’s own body. If someone has a dependent adult in their care, they’re obligated by law to ensure that person has food, water, etc., but they can’t be forced by law to donate blood, a kidney, or any other part of their body, even if it’s necessary to save that person’s life.

Or are pro-birth anti-choicers in favor of mandatory blood and organ donation now?

birth control is accessible and it is cheap so your attempt to call me a hypocrite is absurd. also, I’m not against insurance plans covering birth control. but again she went to a private religious school and she knew what their policy was going to be on birth control. she no doubt was required to read and sign that she understood the policy prior to enrolling in the law school.

456 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:40:08pm

re: #454 DrTesla

Hr s sm prtn f th Flk tstmny wth my cmmnts:

“Whn lk rnd my cmps, s th fcs f th wmn ffctd by ths lck f cntrcptv cvrg.” Cn Flk rd mnds? Wht ds th fc f smbdy sffrng frm lck f cntrcptv cvrg lk lk? s t pssbl thy hv thr thngs n thr mnd? wld thnk t hghly prbbl mst lw schl stdnts r nt thnkng bt bc cvrg nd csts.

“nd spclly n th lst wk, hv hrd mr nd mr f thr strs. n dly bss, hr yt frm nthr wmn frm Grgtwn r frm nthr schl r wh wrks fr rlgsly-ffltd mplyr, nd thy tll m tht thy hv sffrd fnnclly nd mtnlly nd mdclly bcs f ths lck f cvrg.”
ths jst sn’t blvbl gvn th lw csts nd ccssblty f brth cntrl.

“Wtht nsrnc cvrg, cntrcptn, s y knw, cn cst wmn vr $3,000 drng lw schl. Fr lt f stdnts wh, lk m, r n pblc ntrst schlrshps, tht’s prctclly n ntr smmr’s slry. 40% f th fml stdnts t Grgtwn Lw rprtd t s tht thy strggl fnnclly s rslt f ths plcy.”
40% f fml stdnts t Gtwn lw strggl fnnclly b/c f th cst f brth cntrl whch sn’t xpnsv? C’mn mn.

“n tld s bt hw mbrrssd nd jst pwrlss sh flt whn sh ws stndng t th phrmcy cntr nd lrnd fr th frst tm tht cntrcptn ws nt cvrd n hr nsrnc nd sh hd t trn nd wlk wy bcs sh cldn’t ffrd tht prscrptn. Wmn lk hr hv n chc bt t g wtht cntrcptn.”
S dd ths wmn stp hvng sx, r s sh hvng sx wtht sng brth cntrl nd rskng prgnncy? ssm th lttr b/c Flk dsn’t sm t thnk nt hvng sx f y cn’t ffrd brth cntrl s n pssblty.

“Jst lst wk, mrrd fml stdnt tld m tht sh hd t stp sng cntrcptn bcs sh nd hr hsbnd jst cldn’t ft t nt thr bdgt nymr. Wmn mplyd n lw-wg jbs wtht cntrcptv cvrg fc th sm chc.”
S r t ssm ths mrrd cpl s stll hvng sx nd rskng prgnncy, r bstnng frm sx, d t th hgh cst f cntrcptn? Sh dsn’t mk t clr.

“nd sm mght rspnd tht cntrcptn s ccssbl n lts f thr wys. nfrtntly, tht’s jst nt tr.”
Sh’s flt t wrng bt ths.

“ frnd f mn, fr xmpl, hs plycystc vrn syndrm, nd sh hs t tk prscrptn brth cntrl t stp cysts frm grwng n hr vrs. Hr prscrptn s tchnclly cvrd by Grgtwn’s nsrnc bcs t’s nt ntndd t prvnt prgnncy.”
s ncvrd rlr, brth cntrl sn’t prscrbd t trt ths vry cyst thng. Sh ls dmts hr tht Grgtwn DS cvr t bt nly fr mdcl rsns s t s vn mr dsngns fr hr t brng t p n th cntxt f brth cntrl. thnk mst Flk fns hv rgd tht Grgtwn dsn’t cvr cntrcptvs fr nn-brth cntrl prpss, nd tht pprs t b fls.

Can you repeat that?

457 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:41:39pm

re: #456 Gus

Can you repeat that?

He seems to make more sense when disemvoweled.

Also, I like how the man with terrible luck with women and zero experience buying birth control as a woman is an expert on what is and isn’t so.

458 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:42:34pm

re: #456 Gus

Can you repeat that?

you spent a lot of time typing that up. takes some dedication, LOL

459 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:06pm

re: #454 DrTesla

Hey, Screwball! Could you please drop the Rush Limbaugh impression? It’s not very funny.

460 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:10pm

re: #458 DrTesla

Can you repeat that?

you spent a lot of time typing that up. takes some dedication, LOL

You spent a lot of time trolling this site. Takes some dedication too.

(PS: I’m certain he didn’t type it all, dipshit.)

461 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:44:11pm

re: #457 Shvaughn

He seems to make more sense when disemvoweled.

Also, I like how the man with terrible luck with women and zero experience buying birth control as a woman is an expert on what is and isn’t so.

if you agree with Fluke on birth control it is hard to imagine you are an expert on it. everything she said about it was wrong.

462 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:45:06pm

re: #461 DrTesla

if you agree with Fluke on birth control it is hard to imagine you are an expert on it. everything she said about it was wrong.

Thanks, Gus, this was useful.

463 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:46:29pm

re: #459 Dark_Falcon

Hey, Screwball! Could you please drop the Rush Limbaugh impression? It’s not very funny.

I think some people are letting their hate of El Rushbo blind them to what Fluke actually said. Her testimony was embarrassing. I can’t believe she graduated from a law program with the type of arguments she puts forth.

464 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:47:40pm

re: #463 DrTesla

I think some people are letting their hate of El Rushbo blind them to what Fluke actually said. Her testimony was embarrassing. I can’t believe she graduated from a law program with the type of arguments she puts forth.

Yawn.

465 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:48:13pm

re: #458 DrTesla

Can you repeat that?

you spent a lot of time typing that up. takes some dedication, LOL

Yep. I typed that up.

466 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:06pm

re: #463 DrTesla

thnk sm ppl r lttng thr ht f l Rshb blnd thm t wht Flk ctlly sd. Hr tstmny ws mbrrssng. cn’t blv sh grdtd frm lw prgrm wth th typ f rgmnts sh pts frth.

If I’m not mistaken. Weren’t you also banned from Hot Air?

467 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:50:09pm

look, you guys told me to go back and read her transcript. I’m glad that I did b/c I had the impression that Georgetown didn’t cover birth control for medical purposes and Fluke admits that it does, even for the ovarian cyst thing that she brings up, which begs the question why she brought it up at all. she speculates that other insurance plans wont’ cover BC for medical purposes.

468 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:52:58pm

re: #463 DrTesla

re: #454 DrTesla

“One told us about how embarrassed and just powerless she felt when she was standing at the pharmacy counter and learned for the first time that contraception was not covered on her insurance and she had to turn and walk away because she couldn’t afford that prescription. Women like her have no choice but to go without contraception.”

So did this woman stop having sex, or is she having sex without using birth control and risking pregnancy? I assume the latter b/c Fluke doesn’t seem to think not having sex if you can’t afford birth control is an possibility.

Sandra Fluke’s words are in italics. Yours are in

wingnut.

469 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:53:15pm

re: #466 Gus

If I’m not mistaken. Weren’t you also banned from Hot Air?

nope, i don’t think t hey let new people sign up over there. i never seen a registration. i see you are trying to get me banned on here though.

470 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:54:40pm

I wish I could get people banned. Then bring them back, then ban them some more.

471 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:54:48pm

re: #468 Dark_Falcon

re: #454 DrTesla

Sandra Fluke’s words are in italics. Yours are in

wingnut seems like your power word. i think trying to make people who disagree with you on politics as crazy is childish and proof that you can’t debate.

472 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:55:21pm

re: #470 Kronocide

I wish I could get people banned. Then bring them back, then ban them some more.

we all have to live for something.

473 palomino  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:55:38pm

re: #452 DrTesla

Why can’t she get her boyfriend to pay for the birth control? It was my understanding she was dating some guy who had a lot of money. All she has to do is tell her boyfriend that if they want sex, they got to pay for .the birth control.

I’ve also pointed out that there are Planned Parenthood clinics near Georgetown that they could get birth control at.

Very simple…if healthcare plans pay for Rx drugs, there’s no legitimate medical reason to leave bc pills off the menu. These are prescription meds used by millions for both contraceptive and other reasons.

The fixation on denying it (especially since it’s cheap) reeks of Church Lady condescension.

474 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:06pm

re: #469 DrTesla

If I’m not mistaken. Weren’t you also banned from Hot Air?

nope, i don’t think t hey let new people sign up over there. i never seen a registration. i see you are trying to get me banned on here though.

No. You’re just weird.

475 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:27pm

Weird and kind of freaky.

476 palomino  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:56:45pm

re: #469 DrTesla

If I’m not mistaken. Weren’t you also banned from Hot Air?

nope, i don’t think t hey let new people sign up over there. i never seen a registration. i see you are trying to get me banned on here though.

Naah, you don’t really need his help.

477 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:35pm

re: #474 Gus

No. You’re just weird.

lol, after your last 4 or 5 posts including you inventing a new language, i don’t think you can play the weird card on me, brother.

i don’t get why you guys want to fight me to the death over Sandra Fluke. LOL doesnt’ mean you are wrong on politics if you just admit she didn’t know what she was talking about.

478 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:57:48pm

re: #467 DrTesla

look, you guys told me to go back and read her transcript. I’m glad that I did b/c I had the impression that Georgetown didn’t cover birth control for medical purposes and Fluke admits that it does, even for the ovarian cyst thing that she brings up, which begs the question why she brought it up at all. she speculates that other insurance plans wont’ cover BC for medical purposes.

Why are you lying again?

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor. Her claim was denied repeatedly on the assumption that she really wanted the birth control to prevent pregnancy. She’s gay, so clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy. After months of paying over $100 out of pocket, she just couldn’t afford her medication anymore and had to stop taking it.

Look, I know you’re just here to troll, but let me explain simply.

1. “Technically” the policy is supposed to BC for non-contraceptive cases.
2. However, in the majority (65%) of such cases, the insurance company and university staff assume the doctor is lying and press the patient for further information.
3. And in 20% of those cases, the women get shot down repeatedly and told their insurance won’t cover their medically necessary, doctor-prescribed BC for non-contraceptive needs.
4. This is what happened to Fluke’s friend. She wasn’t covered by the policy she was paying for.
5. Not all BC is the same, and not all BC is effective at mitigating the effects of the cysts. Saying “she could just go pick some up from PP” doesn’t work. Medicine is expensive these days, and an extra $100 a month does add up, especially if you’re trying to get through school.

479 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 9:59:06pm

re: #469 DrTesla

i see you are trying to get me banned on here though.

I’d love to get you banned.

But I don’t have that power.

You do, though, and fortunately you’re doing a great job at it.

480 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:01:08pm

re: #477 DrTesla

i don’t get why you guys want to fight me to the death over Sandra Fluke. LOL doesnt’ mean you are wrong on politics if you just admit she didn’t know what she was talking about.

Uh, she knows a lot more than you do.

Question, when’s the last time you bought birth control pills for yourself?

481 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:02:24pm

It’s like DrTesla saw “Dumbest man on the Internet” in the title of this post, and took that as a challenge or something.

482 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:02:38pm

I think the funny thing about Fluke’s presentation is that she uses a lot of anecdotes about women at Georgetown, so we have to completely rely on the veracity of these little stories. If you had put a competent person up there, they would have relied on statistics from various medical organizations that have a good reputation. To get up there and start talking about her friend’s ovarian cyst is sophomoric and talking about the faces of women suffering from lack of contraception coverage almost seems like an elementary school kid type of argument.

483 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:03:30pm

re: #479 Shvaughn

I’d love to get you banned.

But I don’t have that power.

You do, though, and fortunately you’re doing a great job at it.

well i have no control over that. i just like talking about stuff, i seem harmless enough. I like Mr. Johnson even though he doesn’t like conservatives too much.

484 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:04:52pm

re: #482 DrTesla

Show the cyst or it didn’t happen.

485 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:12pm

re: #477 DrTesla

lol, after your last 4 or 5 posts including you inventing a new language, i don’t think you can play the weird card on me, brother.

i don’t get why you guys want to fight me to the death over Sandra Fluke. LOL doesnt’ mean you are wrong on politics if you just admit she didn’t know what she was talking about.

That’s called disemvoweling. It’s done by using a generator on the intertubes. Charles used to use it a while back on trolls like you. I didn’t invent it and neither did Charles. You’re just all manic about Fluke and a whole bunch of other shit. It’s not even about politics with you. You seem to have some kind of anti-social ailment.

486 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:05:52pm

re: #481 Shvaughn

It’s like DrTesla saw “Dumbest man on the Internet” in the title of this post, and took that as a challenge or something.

LMAO!

487 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:06:11pm

re: #482 DrTesla

To get up there and start talking about her friend’s ovarian cyst is sophomoric and talking about the faces of women suffering from lack of contraception coverage almost seems like an elementary school kid type of argument.

Which is why the GOP called up a whole bunch of old white men who … who … who …

Can someone remind me what contraception has to do with old white men again? Besides offending their morals that women somewhere might be having sex with someone who is not them.

488 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:07:01pm

re: #478 Shvaughn

Why are you lying again?

Look, I know you’re just here to troll, but let me explain simply.

1. “Technically” the policy is supposed to BC for non-contraceptive cases.
2. However, in the majority (65%) of such cases, the insurance company and university staff assume the doctor is lying and press the patient for further information.
3. And in 20% of those cases, the women get shot down repeatedly and told their insurance won’t cover their medically necessary, doctor-prescribed BC for non-contraceptive needs.
4. This is what happened to Fluke’s friend. She wasn’t covered by the policy she was paying for.
5. Not all BC is the same, and not all BC is effective at mitigating the effects of the cysts. Saying “she could just go pick some up from PP” doesn’t work. Medicine is expensive these days, and an extra $100 a month does add up, especially if you’re trying to get through school.

You are wrong on your point 4. Fluke even admits her friend was covered for the cyst thing b/c it was for a medical purpose and not birth control. Fluke actually complains about this in the testimony despite bringing it up to add Importance to her argument.

489 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:07:13pm

re: #482 DrTesla

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490 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:07:44pm

re: #488 DrTesla

You are wrong on your point 4. Fluke even admits her friend was covered for the cyst thing b/c it was for a medical purpose and not birth control. Fluke actually complains about this in the testimony despite bringing it up to add Importance to her argument.

You’re in serious need of a hobby.

491 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:07:45pm

re: #488 DrTesla

You are wrong on your point 4. Fluke even admits her friend was covered for the cyst thing b/c it was for a medical purpose and not birth control. Fluke actually complains about this in the testimony despite bringing it up to add Importance to her argument.

No, she does not.

You are a blatant liar, sir, and a troll.

492 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:09:10pm

re: #485 Gus

That’s called disemvoweling. It’s done by using a generator on the intertubes. Charles used to use it a while back on trolls like you. I didn’t invent it and neither did Charles. You’re just all manic about Fluke and a whole bunch of other shit. It’s not even about politics with you. You seem to have some kind of anti-social ailment.

still, it seems like a lot of effort to do that to ridicule some dude on a commenet board.

If Charles did it on his website to slap around some neo-con, that is one thing. you shouldn’t rip off his satire though, that’s lame. come up with your own stuff.

493 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:09:32pm

re: #482 DrTesla

I think the funny thing about Fluke’s presentation is that she uses a lot of anecdotes about women at Georgetown, so we have to completely rely on the veracity of these little stories. If you had put a competent person up there, they would have relied on statistics from various medical organizations that have a good reputation. To get up there and start talking about her friend’s ovarian cyst is sophomoric and talking about the faces of women suffering from lack of contraception coverage almost seems like an elementary school kid type of argument.

People speaking before Congressional panels, official or otherwise, do that sort of thing all the time. Part of the point of such panels is to get what may be called ‘Impact Statements”. Ms. Fluke’s speech was in that regard unremarkable, or at least it would have been had Rush Limbaugh not attacked her in so ugly a manner.

494 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:09:55pm

re: #490 Gus

You’re in serious need of a hobby.

ok, i don’t want to exchange insults with you. carry on, i won’t respond to you if you don’t want to talk about stuff like adults.

495 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:12:47pm

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”

Seems pretty clear to me that Fluke is saying her friend’s ovarian cyst thing IS covered because it is considered a medical purpose ie not intended to prevent pregnancy.

496 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:13:07pm

re: #492 DrTesla

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The Screwball says what?

(Note: I did not disemvowel Charles’ name, out of respect for him.)

497 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:13:27pm

re: #488 DrTesla

Fluke even admits her friend was covered for the cyst thing b/c it was for a medical purpose and not birth control.

Really?

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

Let’s see that again.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

Wow, one more time maybe and you’ll stop blatantly lying.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

Nope! I can already tell it’s not enough, and you’ll never admit you were wrong. But here it is one more time.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

498 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:13:42pm

re: #494 DrTesla

ok, i don’t want to exchange insults with you. carry on, i won’t respond to you if you don’t want to talk about stuff like adults.

You haven’t been speaking as an adult since day one. You showed up here with your guns ablazing ranting about something or another for 2 days now. You keep ranting about abortion and Sandra Fluke. Manically writing walls of text and you haven’t even introduced yourself. You’re relentless in your intensity and already have close to -2,000 Karma and you’re whining to me about not acting like an adult and I think I only down dinged you twice. You come in here and seem to think you know me without having a freaking clue. You’ve been ranting and freaking out since you got here. Excuse me for thinking you’re weird.

499 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:14:37pm

re: #495 DrTesla

Seems pretty clear to me that Fluke is saying her friend’s ovarian cyst thing IS covered because it is considered a medical purpose ie not intended to prevent pregnancy.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

500 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:15:47pm

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

People speaking before Congressional panels, official or otherwise, do that sort of thing all the time. Part of the point of such panels is to get what may be called ‘Impact Statements”. Ms. Fluke’s speech was in that regard unremarkable, or at least it would have been had Rush Limbaugh not attacked her in so ugly a manner.

well, it’s unremarkable regardless of what Rush said. i think liberals saw this as a way to go after Rush, which is fine, I don’t care about that one way or the other, but they have made the mistake in making this Fluke woman out as some kind of intellectual giant but if you read what she said it just comes across as callow.

501 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:17:16pm

re: #497 Shvaughn

Really?

Let’s see that again.

Wow, one more time maybe and you’ll stop blatantly lying.

Nope! I can already tell it’s not enough, and you’ll never admit you were wrong. But here it is one more time.

I think she is referring to a different friend there. In the part that I quoted, she said the cyst thing was covered by the insurance plan. Do you deny that?

She is talking about so many friends it probably can be confusing which one she is talking about.

502 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:19:25pm

re: #498 Gus

You haven’t been speaking as an adult since day one. You showed up here with your guns ablazing ranting about something or another for 2 days now. You keep ranting about abortion and Sandra Fluke. Manically writing walls of text and you haven’t even introduced yourself. You’re relentless in your intensity and already have close to -2,000 Karma and you’re whining to me about not acting like an adult and I think I only down dinged you twice. You come in here and seem to think you know me without having a freaking clue. You’ve been ranting and freaking out since you got here. Excuse me for thinking you’re weird.

Dude, you are so hostile. loosen up man. you HATE anybody who isn’t your carbon copy.

503 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:19:38pm

re: #501 DrTesla

I think she is referring to a different friend there. In the part that I quoted, she said the cyst thing was covered by the insurance plan. Do you deny that?

She is talking about so many friends it probably can be confusing which one she is talking about.

LOL.

No, look. You seriously cannot be this stupid.

When she says “technically” she means “it’s supposed to be covered, but they make you jump through hoops to get it, and sometimes they just don’t give you coverage at all.”

And that’s what happens to 20% of the women in such a case: they make them jump hoops, and then still deny them coverage.

It’s the same friend.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

504 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:21:51pm

lol, there is a bird in my house and my dog is going nuts. I need to deal w/ this
good night.

505 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:21:59pm

re: #502 DrTesla

Dude, you are so hostile. loosen up man. you HATE anybody who isn’t your carbon copy.

Speaking for myself, I can’t stand anyone who blatantly lies repeatedly and ignores facts and twists them around all contorted to avoid saying “you’re right, that didn’t mean what I said.” I hate it when you do it, and I hate it when KT does it.

You, meanwhile, seem to really hate Sandra Fluke. Because your “El Rushbo” told you to.

506 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:15pm

re: #502 DrTesla

Dude, you are so hostile. loosen up man. you HATE anybody who isn’t your carbon copy.

Sorry. Hate to break the news to ya’ but I don’t hate you. I just look at you as yet another troll. You earned it.

507 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:22:39pm

re: #504 DrTesla

lol, there is a bird in my house and my dog is going nuts. I need to deal w/ this
good night.

Convenient.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

508 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:23:14pm

re: #500 DrTesla

well, it’s unremarkable regardless of what Rush said. i think liberals saw this as a way to go after Rush, which is fine, I don’t care about that one way or the other, but they have made the mistake in making this Fluke woman out as some kind of intellectual giant but if you read what she said it just comes across as callow.

For you to call her ‘callow’ after the vile spew Limbaugh aimed at her allows me to type-classify you: You’re “Me-Too”.

Big Dog and Me-Too

Big Dog is a bully who doesn’t hesitate to use his superior strength to intimidate other combatants. Big Dog may be smart, articulate or just plain mean, but in any case he is a remorseless fighter, brutally ripping into even the weakest of combatants. Once Big Dog securely fastens his powerful jaws on a hapless victim, Me-Too will join the attack. Me-Too is far too weak and insecure to engage in single combat, and must ally himself with Big Dog or a pack of other Warriors to bring down his quarry.

509 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:23:37pm

Personal story for why this sort of thing matters to me:

I’ve been on BC of one form or another since relatively soon after I started menstruating, because the cramps that associated that time of the month were so bad that I missing school - and that as a relatively dedicated student. I obviously have no direct comparison, but I could imagine it as being somewhat similar to the aftereffects of being kicked in the balls - not the initial burst of pain but the lingering aftermath. Except for 2-3 days. Birth control brings it down to the level where I could take two ibuprofen every few hours or so and continue on my way. Without it, well, let’s just say that even prescription strength painkillers don’t work well.

Because of a variety of circumstances I’ve had to go off of it for a while here and there and found that nope, still need it. And so I’ve always been very aware of my access to contraceptives, because this makes a very big difference in my day to day life on a regular basis. This isn’t about some pharmacist or religious organization’s belief, this is about my ability to function as a human being for the entire month.

But these days it’s also for birth control. I’m married. We don’t want children. We especially don’t want children now. I don’t want to ever be in a decision where I have to decide on an abortion, so I’m trying to avoid it to the best of my ability, but I don’t think it’s fair to tell my husband (or me) that we can’t have sex until I’ve gone through menopause. That’s quite a ways away.

If push came to shove these days, we could probably afford birth control without insurance. We live in an area with a reasonable number of pharmacies, so finding a pharmacist without an issue filling the prescription would be less problematic. But I can so easily look at the woman stuck in rural Montana, for example, where the one pharmacist refuses to fill the prescription on religious grounds, and see that that could be me. The woman going to school as a graduate or law student whose budget can’t afford the cost for the birth control that she knows works for her symptoms - because different kinds of birth control work differently, I can tell you from experience. It’s not always as simple as buy the cheapest option. Those women could be me. And I don’t understand why someone should be able to say that a benefit I contribute to - that I help pay for - shouldn’t cover a prescription that my doctor wrote for me, in my situation, based on my information. Why should this be subject to insurance company whims? How would you classify my situation - medical necessity or just me wanting to have sex? I know how I would classify it, but I can’t trust an insurance representative to rule the same way and I should not have to.

If Viagra can be approved without having to jump through medical hoops as a necessity or medical issue - which is the case on most health insurance plans offered by religious institutions - I want nothing less than the same treatment for birth control. Period.

510 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:25:54pm

re: #503 Shvaughn

LOL.

No, look. You seriously cannot be this stupid.

When she says “technically” she means “it’s supposed to be covered, but they make you jump through hoops to get it, and sometimes they just don’t give you coverage at all.”

And that’s what happens to 20% of the women in such a case: they make them jump hoops, and then still deny them coverage.

It’s the same friend.

Ok, she must have skipped back to that friend, I don’t see that quote below what I am reading and it’s supposed to be the real transcript of everything she said.

but I’ve also pointed out that contraceptives are not used to treat the kind of ovarian cyst that she is talking about. This is according to some medical professional on the website. So if we choose to believe that Fluke is telling the truth about her friend, which I think is a dicey proposition, the reason why she isn’t getting coverage is b/c the insurance company has determined that the birth control isnt’ the standard treatment for the ovarian cyst thing.

511 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:26:44pm

re: #509 klys

klys, thank you for writing that. Great post. Sadly, I don’t think our troll will read it and learn from it, but the rest of us appreciate you sharing about such a personal issue (that’s been politicized by morons).

512 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:27:00pm

re: #505 Shvaughn

Speaking for myself, I can’t stand anyone who blatantly lies repeatedly and ignores facts and twists them around all contorted to avoid saying “you’re right, that didn’t mean what I said.” I hate it when you do it, and I hate it when KT does it.

You, meanwhile, seem to really hate Sandra Fluke. Because your “El Rushbo” told you to.

i don’t care about Fluke one way or another but I hear people talk her up like she’s some kind of Joan of Arc figure and she doesn’t seem all that impressive to me. There are a lot of smart women out there, she’s not one of them.

513 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:27:29pm

re: #510 DrTesla

Ok, she must have skipped back to that friend, I don’t see that quote below what I am reading and it’s supposed to be the real transcript of everything she said.

Lawl.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

514 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:29:34pm

re: #511 Shvaughn

klys, thank you for writing that. Great post. Sadly, I don’t think our troll will read it and learn from it, but the rest of us appreciate you sharing about such a personal issue (that’s been politicized by morons).

I doubt he will either, but I know that it’s only really by putting personal faces on some of these issues that people start to learn why it matters, and this is something I feel passionately about. I never used it for birth control purposes before my husband, but if we choose to use it for birth control, so what? If I’d needed it for birth control before him, so what? This is about my quality of life.

I don’t think someone else’s religious beliefs should define that. They don’t for blood transfusions. I don’t see what makes my uterus different.

515 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:31:35pm

re: #514 klys

I never used it for birth control purposes before my husband, but if we choose to use it for birth control, so what?

Exactly.

516 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:31:45pm

re: #510 DrTesla

Ok, she must have skipped back to that friend, I don’t see that quote below what I am reading and it’s supposed to be the real transcript of everything she said.

Hey, genius.

It’s from the paragraph directly after the sentence you quoted, you know, where she first mentions her friend with ovarian cysts. There are literally only 4 sentences between the “technically covered” sentence that you quoted, and the one that I’ve quoted.

In fact, the sentence directly after the one you quoted explains the thing that has you so puzzled as to why she mentioned it.

517 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:32:48pm

re: #512 DrTesla

i don’t care about Fluke one way or another but I hear people talk her up like she’s some kind of Joan of Arc figure and she doesn’t seem all that impressive to me. There are a lot of smart women out there, she’s not one of them.

Yeah, you’re right. Why listen to Sandra Fluke. Why listen to women. Instead we should listen to a bunch of celibate and allegedly asexual men that look the other way about acts of pedophilia in their very own churches. They’re experts on human sexuality who also happen to believe in talking snakes. Case closed.

518 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:35:06pm

re: #517 Gus

Yeah, you’re right. Why listen to Sandra Fluke. Why listen to women. Instead we should listen to a bunch of celibate and allegedly asexual men that look the other way about acts of pedophilia in their very own churches. They’re experts on human sexuality who also happen to believe in talking snakes. Case closed.

Please don’t conflate Catholics and fundies. It weakens your argument and it associates both with wrongs they are not responsible for.

519 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:35:28pm

Fluke says this:
“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.”

She then gets off onto some other points, and then she says this:

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

I think it is confusing how she didn’t keep the two thoughts coupled. The first statement gave me the impression her friend did get covered for the cyst.

But again, it’s not true that physicians prescribe birth control for this ovarian cyst condition. I think an insurance company can refuse to cover something if it’s not a standard treatment, even if the physician prescribes it. She does not seem to acknowledge this, but simply suggests the insurance coverage denied it b/c they thought her friend just wanted it for birth control, not medical reasons. SHe is either being dishonest here on purpose or she’s misinformed, and either one is bad if she’s talking to members of Congress about this. She needs to understand what she is talking about or she’s wasting everybody’s time.

520 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:11pm

re: #519 DrTesla

I think Sandra Fluke knows more about her own friends and their situations than you do, troll.

521 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:38:56pm

re: #519 DrTesla

She then gets off onto some other points, and then she says this:

Those aren’t “other points.”

They’re the same point, genius.

A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome
and has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy. Under many religious institutions’ insurance plans, it wouldn’t be, and under Senator Blunt’s amendment, Senator Rubio’s bill, or Representative Fortenberry’s bill, there’s no requirement that an exception be made for such medical needs. When they do exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers, rather than women and their doctors, dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose aren’t, a woman’s health takes a
back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

In sixty-five percent of cases, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed these prescriptions and whether they were lying about their symptoms. For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor

522 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:39:08pm

re: #518 Dark_Falcon

Please don’t conflate Catholics and fundies. It weakens your argument and it associates both with wrongs they are not responsible for.

It’s just a rhetorical device. I’m sure I could have more normal conversation with your average Catholic Cardinal than I could with Derptor Tesla.

523 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:39:59pm

Here is what I’m reading:

“A friend of mine, for example, has polycystic ovarian syndrome, and she has to take prescription birth control to stop cysts from growing on her ovaries. Her prescription is technically covered by Georgetown’s insurance because it’s not intended to prevent pregnancy.

“Unfortunately, under many religious institutions and insurance plans, it wouldn’t be. There would be no exception for other medical needs. And under Sen. Blunt’s amendment, Sen. Rubio’s bill or Rep. Fortenberry’s bill there’s no requirement that such an exception be made for these medical needs.

“When this exception does exist, these exceptions don’t accomplish their well-intended goals because when you let university administrators or other employers rather than women and their doctors dictate whose medical needs are legitimate and whose are not, women’s health takes a back seat to a bureaucracy focused on policing her body.

“In 65% of the cases at our school, our female students were interrogated by insurance representatives and university medical staff about why they needed prescription and whether they were lying about their symptoms.

“ She’s gay. So clearly polycystic ovarian syndrome was a much more urgent concern than accidental pregnancy for her.


I think that is a big gap b/t introducing us to her friend, informing us the cyst is technically covered, and then informing us her friend was denied coverage. I would think a lawyer would lay out her presentation much better than this.

524 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:40:11pm

re: #522 Gus

It’s just a rhetorical device. I’m sure I could have more normal conversation with your average Catholic Cardinal than I could with Derptor Tesla.

You aren’t kidding about that, Gus.

525 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:42:18pm

re: #524 Dark_Falcon

You aren’t kidding about that, Gus.

I’m not even sure if he’s just your average troll now. He/she might be an astroturfer.

526 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:43:45pm

re: #525 Gus

I’m not even sure if he’s just your average troll now. He/she might be an astroturfer.

I’d say more like an astronomical DERPer, myself.

527 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:43:47pm

re: #517 Gus

Yeah, you’re right. Why listen to Sandra Fluke. Why listen to women. Instead we should listen to a bunch of celibate and allegedly asexual men that look the other way about acts of pedophilia in their very own churches. They’re experts on human sexuality who also happen to believe in talking snakes. Case closed.

lol, who the hell defends pedophile priests. this is the worst sort of strawman, dude.

528 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:44:16pm

re: #523 DrTesla

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So true.

529 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:46:19pm

re: #527 DrTesla

ll, wh th hll dfnds pdphl prsts. ths s th wrst srt f strwmn, dd.

Yep.

530 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:47:41pm

re: #519 DrTesla

But again, it’s not true that physicians prescribe birth control for this ovarian cyst condition.

WebMD:

As part of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) treatment, medicines can be used to help control reproductive hormone or insulin levels.

Medication Choices
Medicines to treat reproductive or metabolic problems of PCOS include:

* Combination estrogen and progestin hormones in birth control pills, vaginal rings, or skin patches. These hormones correct irregular menstrual bleeding or absent menstrual cycles. They may also improve your androgen-related acne problems, male-type hair growth, and male-pattern hair loss. The progestin makes your endometrial lining build up and shed, similar to a menstrual period. This monthly shedding is what prevents uterine precancer and uterine cancer.

Mayo Clinic:

Polycystic ovary syndrome treatment generally focuses on management of your individual main concerns, such as infertility, hirsutism, acne or obesity.

Medications
Your doctor may prescribe a medication to:

* Regulate your menstrual cycle. If you’re not trying to become pregnant, your doctor may recommend low-dose birth control pills that contain a combination of synthetic estrogen and progesterone. They decrease androgen production and give your body a break from the effects of continuous estrogen. This decreases your risk of endometrial cancer and corrects abnormal bleeding.

Womenshealth.gov:

How is PCOS treated?

Because there is no cure for PCOS, it needs to be managed to prevent problems. Treatment goals are based on your symptoms, whether or not you want to become pregnant, and lowering your chances of getting heart disease and diabetes. Many women will need a combination of treatments to meet these goals. Some treatments for PCOS include:

…

Birth control pills. For women who don’t want to get pregnant, birth control pills can:

* Control menstrual cycles
* Reduce male hormone levels
* Help to clear acne
Keep in mind that the menstrual cycle will become abnormal again if the pill is stopped. Women may also think about taking a pill that only has progesterone (proh-JES-tuh-rohn), like Provera, to control the menstrual cycle and reduce the risk of endometrial cancer (See Does PCOS put women at risk for other health problems?). But, progesterone alone does not help reduce acne and hair growth.

You are wrong when you say that physicians do not prescribe birth control for PCOS. You are lying again.

531 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:48:32pm

no, Fluke introduces us to her friend with the ovarian cyst, then she gets off onto Marco Rubio and plans that won’t even “technically” cover birth control for medical reasons, and then she comes back around to her friend and finally tells us her friend was denied. I think it is confusing the way she laid it out. She need to wrap up her friend first, then move on to the marco Rubio and speculating about plans that wouldn’t even technically cover birth control for stuff like ovarian cysts.

show me where i’m wrong.

532 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:49:48pm

re: #531 DrTesla

n, Flk ntrdcs s t hr frnd wth th vrn cyst, thn sh gts ff nt Mrc Rb nd plns tht wn’t vn “tchnclly” cvr brth cntrl fr mdcl rsns, nd thn sh cms bck rnd t hr frnd nd fnlly tlls s hr frnd ws dnd. thnk t s cnfsng th wy sh ld t t. Sh nd t wrp p hr frnd frst, thn mv n t th mrc Rb nd spcltng bt plns tht wldn’t vn tchnclly cvr brth cntrl fr stff lk vrn cysts.

shw m whr ’m wrng.

Indeed.

533 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:50:01pm

re: #531 DrTesla

show me where i’m wrong.

So far you’ve been wrong in every single post you’ve made. You’re averaging like 10 downdings per post.

534 Gus  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:50:24pm

[Sound of fly buzzing about.]

[Dobro slide.]

535 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:51:15pm

re: #530 Shvaughn

WebMD:

Mayo Clinic:

Womenshealth.gov:

You are wrong when you say that physicians do not prescribe birth control for PCOS. You are lying again.

not according to at least two sources that I looked at today, and one of those sources was pro-Fluke but said she was wrong about birth control being a treatment.

536 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:51:20pm

re: #534 Gus

[Sound of fly buzzing about.]

[Dobro slide.]

SimCity came out tonight and aside from EA totally flubbing the launch (who is surprised?) it is awesome.

And my dissertation defense is totally not in a week. >.>

537 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:52:31pm

re: #533 Shvaughn

So far you’ve been wrong in every single post you’ve made. You’re averaging like 10 downdings per post.

the downdings don’t mean anything b/c it’s due to political bias, not the merits of my argumenets. i’m obviously outnumbered here.

538 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:52:38pm

re: #535 DrTesla

not according to at least two sources that I looked at today, and one of those sources was pro-Fluke but said she was wrong about birth control being a treatment.

It’s on the Internet, it must be true! What do these doctors know who are prescribing shit anyway, don’t they get their treatment info from the Internets? //

539 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:53:38pm

re: #535 DrTesla

not according to at least two sources that I looked at today, and one of those sources was pro-Fluke but said she was wrong about birth control being a treatment.

Psst, a random blog doesn’t trump the sources that I just listed. Try to do better, genius.

540 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:54:06pm

re: #535 DrTesla

not[sic] according to at least two sources that I looked at today, and one of those sources was pro-Fluke but said she was wrong about birth control being a treatment.

Shvaughn has presented her sources. Present yours or flounce.

541 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:56:52pm

re: #540 Dark_Falcon

Shvaughn has presented her sources. Present yours or flounce.

Please flounce, please flounce, please flounce, please flounce…

542 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 10:57:31pm

re: #538 klys

It’s on the Internet, it must be true! What do these doctors know who are prescribing shit anyway, don’t they get their treatment info from the Internets? //

the insurance company rejected coverage for the doctor’s prescription, and Fluke does concede that bith control is technically covered for medical purposes. so it is not illogical to think that the prescription was not covered b/c it was not a standard treatment of this ovarian cyst thing.

look, i made my case, and i think the people who wanted to debate me went to bed. they kept telling me to look at the fluke transcripts again so I did.

543 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:00:58pm

re: #542 DrTesla

Hey, so did you read my earlier post? This one:

re: #509 klys

You seem to think that insurance representatives always get it right. So I’m curious: if you were an insurance representative and presented with a situation like mine, what do you do?

Also, how do you feel about coverage for Viagra and other erectile dysfunction medication? Because that’s pretty clearly for one purpose only, versus birth control which does have medical applicability, and yet most religious organizations don’t seem to have any issues covering that. Why do women have to jump through hoops to prove that their prescription isn’t so they can go out and have ‘fun times’ while guys can get theirs for no questions asked?

544 Kronocide  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:01:07pm

re: #530 Shvaughn

You are wrong when you say that physicians do not prescribe birth control for PCOS. You are lying again.

He’s a rhetorical Black Knight.

545 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:06:19pm

re: #543 klys

Hey, so did you read my earlier post? This one:

re: #509 klys

You seem to think that insurance representatives always get it right. So I’m curious: if you were an insurance representative and presented with a situation like mine, what do you do?

Also, how do you feel about coverage for Viagra and other erectile dysfunction medication? Because that’s pretty clearly for one purpose only, versus birth control which does have medical applicability, and yet most religious organizations don’t seem to have any issues covering that. Why do women have to jump through hoops to prove that their prescription isn’t so they can go out and have ‘fun times’ while guys can get theirs for no questions asked?

i never claimed insurance companies always get it right, but people who complain about insurance companies aren’t always right either. I’d like to hear the insurance companies side of this and actually see what the policy is…too much of this is Fluke presenting herself as the truth but there is no way to know if she is mispresenting it or misinformed and we don’t get to hear the other side.

For all of you guys complaining about this Georgetown health insurance plan, why do you want to force everybody into a government run plan. Do you see why it is good to have options in that regard? LOL

546 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:08:31pm

re: #545 DrTesla

Please answer my question: how would you, as an insurance representative for a client that makes it clear that their plan is supposed to cover birth control for medical purposes but not for birth control, classify a client like me?

547 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:11:47pm

re: #546 klys

Please answer my question: how would you, as an insurance representative for a client that makes it clear that their plan is supposed to cover birth control for medical purposes but not for birth control, classify a client like me?

i guess it would depend on what you need birth control for? i’d classify you as either eligble or not eligble. maybe I don’t get what you are getting at.

548 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:13:28pm

I wonder how prevalaent something like an ovarian cyst is anyway, it’s hard to imagine most young women in law school are ever going to be afflicted by this. it just seems like Fluke went looking for some kind of rare exception to make her core argument against the GTown policy.

549 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:14:40pm

re: #547 DrTesla

I kind of spelled it out in the post that I linked there, but here’s a link again:

re: #509 klys

So. You’re the insurance rep. You’re presented with someone who is on birth control for managing painful cramps (and this is a hell of a lot more common than you think) but also wants to use it for birth control. The policy denies it for birth control purposes but allows it for medical purposes. Which wins?

550 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:15:51pm

re: #548 DrTesla

I would tell you to go out and talk to women but that’s probably a lost cause. Most women aren’t going to admit something like that to you because it is generally something we talk about with friends. Your attitude is not one that is welcoming towards admitting that sort of thing.

551 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:17:30pm

re: #549 klys

I kind of spelled it out in the post that I linked there, but here’s a link again:

re: #509 klys

So. You’re the insurance rep. You’re presented with someone who is on birth control for managing painful cramps (and this is a hell of a lot more common than you think) but also wants to use it for birth control. The policy denies it for birth control purposes but allows it for medical purposes. Which wins?

i think obviously the medical one would win, especially if you had a prescription from the doctor and were diagnosed with cramps, right? that seems like how it works.

552 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:18:20pm

re: #550 klys

I would tell you to go out and talk to women but that’s probably a lost cause. Most women aren’t going to admit something like that to you because it is generally something we talk about with friends. Your attitude is not one that is welcoming towards admitting that sort of thing.

talk to women? maybe next year. LOL :)

553 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:20:08pm

re: #551 DrTesla

i think obviously the medical one would win, especially if you had a prescription from the doctor and were diagnosed with cramps, right? that seems like how it works.

So why do women need to justify the medical reasons they need birth control but men can get Viagra with no questions asked?

554 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:21:47pm

re: #553 klys

So why do women need to justify the medical reasons they need birth control but men can get Viagra with no questions asked?

Are you sure they can get Viagra with no questions asked? I think they have to be diagnosed with erectile dysfunction but I obviously wouldn’t now anything about that. :0

555 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:23:22pm

re: #554 DrTesla

Are you sure they can get Viagra with no questions asked? I think they have to be diagnosed with erectile dysfunction but I obviously wouldn’t now anything about that. :0

…Kind of like women have to be diagnosed with PCOS? Much more reputable sites than your two on the Internet indicate that BC is a prescribed treatment for managing the symptoms of PCOS.

556 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:23:53pm

re: #548 DrTesla

I wonder how prevalaent something like an ovarian cyst is anyway, it’s hard to imagine most young women in law school are ever going to be afflicted by this. it just seems like Fluke went looking for some kind of rare exception to make her core argument against the GTown policy.

Go away and shut the fuck up.

Polycystic ovary syndrome (or PCOS) is common, affecting as many as 1 out of 15 women. Often the symptoms begin in the teen years. Treatment can help control the symptoms and prevent long-term problems.

557 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:25:27pm

why didn’t Fluke make the BC for menstrual cramps her argument rather than the ovarian cyst thing, as painful cramps is lot more common problem I would imagine.

i never thought that i would be talking about menstrual cycles on the internet , or ever. LOL Fluke is a facilater of discussion, we have to grant her that.

558 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:26:50pm

re: #555 klys

…Kind of like women have to be diagnosed with PCOS? Much more reputable sites than your two on the Internet indicate that BC is a prescribed treatment for managing the symptoms of PCOS.

ok, well I will have to look into it a little more. I’m clearly not a physician but this woman who appeared to be pro-fluke went out of her way to lecture her on this topic.

559 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:29:31pm

Isn’t Viagra available by prescription only? if so, i dont’ see how it is easy for men to get with no questions asked. I’m personally skeptical that Viagra is something insurance companies should cover, especialy if coveage increases everybody’s premium.

560 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:30:30pm

re: #557 DrTesla

why didn’t Fluke make the BC for menstrual cramps her argument rather than the ovarian cyst thing, as painful cramps is lot more common problem I would imagine.

i never thought that i would be talking about menstrual cycles on the internet , or ever. LOL Fluke is a facilater of discussion, we have to grant her that.

I’m glad this is funny to you. It’s not funny to me. It’s my ability to function on a day to day basis.

For the record, I have ovarian cysts. Is it PCOS? Not sure. That’s a different set of symptoms that I haven’t been fully diagnosed with (and you better believe the gynecologist was pissed that the surgeon didn’t do more testing when I had my appendectomy, because it would have answered some questions).

But why do my reasons have to matter? You say you’re against abortion. My husband and I don’t want kids. I’m sure if you decided you didn’t want children, you would prefer an alternative to either no sex or risking requiring an abortion.

561 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:31:48pm

re: #559 DrTesla

Isn’t Viagra available by prescription only? if so, i dont’ see how it is easy for men to get with no questions asked. I’m personally skeptical that Viagra is something insurance companies should cover, especialy if coveage increases everybody’s premium.

So is birth control. My prescription was held hostage every year so that I would come in and see my gynecologist for annual testing.

Do you know anything at all about this shit beyond what Rush tells you?

562 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:32:47pm

re: #561 klys

Do you know anything at all about this shit beyond what Rush tells you?

I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question.

563 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:34:11pm

This is on WebMD:
Regular exercise, a healthy diet, not smoking, and weight control are all important parts of treatment for PCOS. Sometimes, also using a medicine to balance hormones is helpful.

There is no cure for PCOS.

So maybe the insurance plan denied Fluke’s friend coverage b/c they don’t view birth control as a treatment b/c there is no cure. Maybe that’s too rigid, maybe it isn’t, but there does seem to be a medical basis for it, and insurance companies do look at this kind of thing.

564 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:34:35pm

re: #562 Shvaughn

I’m assuming that’s a rhetorical question.

I’m tipsy. That’s my defense. Dammit.

That and this is an incredibly passionate issue for me. Because fuck, don’t put me in the position where I need to make decisions I don’t want to. I’m already terrified of that enough already.

565 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:34:48pm

re: #563 DrTesla

There is no cure for PCOS.

So maybe the insurance plan denied Fluke’s friend coverage b/c they don’t view birth control as a treatment b/c there is no cure. Maybe that’s too rigid, maybe it isn’t, but there does seem to be a medical basis for it, and insurance companies do look at this kind of thing.

You are a horribly stupid person.

566 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:36:16pm

re: #565 Shvaughn

You are a horribly stupid person.

There’s no cure for HIV, let’s not bother treating it.

There’s no cure for Crohn’s disease, let’s not bother treating it.

//

I’ll stop there, but do you realize how stupid you sound?

567 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:36:29pm

re: #560 klys

I’m glad this is funny to you. It’s not funny to me. It’s my ability to function on a day to day basis.

For the record, I have ovarian cysts. Is it PCOS? Not sure. That’s a different set of symptoms that I haven’t been fully diagnosed with (and you better believe the gynecologist was pissed that the surgeon didn’t do more testing when I had my appendectomy, because it would have answered some questions).

But why do my reasons have to matter? You say you’re against abortion. My husband and I don’t want kids. I’m sure if you decided you didn’t want children, you would prefer an alternative to either no sex or risking requiring an abortion.

well again, i’m not against birth control. Also, birth control is affordable and if you can’t afford, there are places you can get it, like Planned Parenthood. It seems like we are talking past each other.

568 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:38:41pm

re: #566 klys

There’s no cure for HIV, let’s not bother treating it.

There’s no cure for Crohn’s disease, let’s not bother treating it.

//

I’ll stop there, but do you realize how stupid you sound?

Look, I have epilepsy. insurance companies aren’t going to cover drugs that have no efficacy in treating my condition. they can’t cover anyting that has no basis in science b/c everybody’s premium would have be sky high. it’s about pooling risk and devising the best plan for everybody who is in it.

569 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:40:31pm

also, the vast majority of insurance plans probably cover birth control. this is only an issue at schools like Georgetown that are private religious schools, and there are plenty of non-religious schools you can attend if this is a big issue for you. i don’t see what the problem is.

I had Hodgkins’ lymphoma 5 years ago. that’s a real problem. this isn’t.

570 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:40:32pm

re: #567 DrTesla

well again, i’m not against birth control. Also, birth control is affordable and if you can’t afford, there are places you can get it, like Planned Parenthood. It seems like we are talking past each other.

Like the part where you didn’t read that I said different forms of birth control work differently for different women? I can only offer my own experience but some forms have been much more effective at dealing with the cramps than others. On the flipside, some of them are less reliable as birth control than others (when I consider my record on taking them properly).

You know, I’m going to postulate that just maybe, I am a little more informed on the availability of birth control than you are. And just maybe I have a slightly better idea on how difficult it can be for women to get approval for this sort of shit from their doctors compared to guys (why don’t you, for a laugh, look up how easy it is for an unmarried guy with no kids to get a vasectomy versus an unmarried woman with no kids).

Since, you know, this is something that directly impacts my life.

And yet the GOP thought that it was ok to ask only men to testify at a hearing regarding the availability of birth control.

571 Cantab_in_Nashville  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:41:41pm

What amazes me about this and all the other b.s. passed along by the countless websites operated and frequented by inbred idiots so desperate to find proof that this “illegitimate” President is out to destroy the US as we know it. Of course having a FoxSpews pseudo journalist like Dobbs legitimize it for them is just further proof that they are more interested in inciting than informing.

Of the hundreds of websites I looked at for some actual proof rather that hearsay, this was the only one that provided an actual link verifiable information. It’s scarily obvious that more people are interested in spreading a lie and reinforcing the paranoia than disprove them.

572 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:43:16pm

re: #571 Cantab_in_Nashville

Welcome, hatchling.

573 klys  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:44:26pm

re: #569 DrTesla

I had Hodgkins’ lymphoma 5 years ago. that’s a real problem. this isn’t.

I really should have stopped long ago, but this hit my breaking point. I’m done. You can fuck off.

I’m sorry, Charles, for attempting to have a real conversation with the troll. I fell for it.

574 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:45:29pm

re: #570 klys

Like the part where you didn’t read that I said different forms of birth control work differently for different women? I can only offer my own experience but some forms have been much more effective at dealing with the cramps than others. On the flipside, some of them are less reliable as birth control than others (when I consider my record on taking them properly).

You know, I’m going to postulate that just maybe, I am a little more informed on the availability of birth control than you are. And just maybe I have a slightly better idea on how difficult it can be for women to get approval for this sort of shit from their doctors compared to guys (why don’t you, for a laugh, look up how easy it is for an unmarried guy with no kids to get a vasectomy versus an unmarried woman with no kids).

Since, you know, this is something that directly impacts my life.

And yet the GOP thought that it was ok to ask only men to testify at a hearing regarding the availability of birth control.

will you are using what is called an appeal to authority argument. i dono’t doubt that you know more about birth control and menstral cycles and all that but my focus has been mostly on the cost and accessibility of birth control and that is something anybody can research and be informed about.
i don’t think the gender is relevant to this issue, a male physician or other medical expert would have been much more preferable than a female 30 year old law student. knowledge doesn’t have a bias for gender.

575 DrTesla  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 11:47:09pm

re: #573 klys

I really should have stopped long ago, but this hit my breaking point. I’m done. You can fuck off.

I’m sorry, Charles, for attempting to have a real conversation with the troll. I fell for it.

do you think that i’m lying about having cancer? look, i’m not trying to dismiss whatever your health issues are. i don’t feel comfortable talking about your medical stuff, that needs to be b/t you and your doctor.
i was just trying to give a sense of perspective.

576 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:03:37am

re: #571 Cantab_in_Nashville

What amazes me about this and all the other b.s. passed along by the countless websites operated and frequented by inbred idiots so desperate to find proof that this “illegitimate” President is out to destroy the US as we know it. Of course having a FoxSpews pseudo journalist like Dobbs legitimize it for them is just further proof that they are more interested in inciting than informing.

Of the hundreds of websites I looked at for some actual proof rather that hearsay, this was the only one that provided an actual link verifiable information. It’s scarily obvious that more people are interested in spreading a lie and reinforcing the paranoia than disprove them.

i don’t see any prominent conservative and republican websites calling Obama a birther. really the only time i hear about birthers is from liberals and i assume they are using it to depict republicans as crazy conspiracy theorists. i don’t think Pamela Gellar qualifies as a prominent conservative, and i’m just assuimg the accusations she is a birther are true, i don’t know much about her other than her interest in jihadists.

577 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:14:56am

re: #576 DrTesla

i don’t see any prominent conservative and republican websites calling Obama a birther. really the only time i hear about birthers is from liberals and i assume they are using it to depict republicans as crazy conspiracy theorists. i don’t think Pamela Gellar qualifies as a prominent conservative, and i’m just assuimg the accusations she is a birther are true, i don’t know much about her other than her interest in jihadists.

Never heard of Donald Trump, huh?

You also might want to check public opinion polls, which show that nearly half of Republicans, as opposed to much smaller numbers of independents and Dems, think Obama isn’t really an American citizen. (do the research for yourself)

578 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:17:54am

re: #576 DrTesla

i don’t see any prominent conservative and republican websites calling Obama a birther. really the only time i hear about birthers is from liberals and i assume they are using it to depict republicans as crazy conspiracy theorists. i don’t think Pamela Gellar qualifies as a prominent conservative, and i’m just assuimg the accusations she is a birther are true, i don’t know much about her other than her interest in jihadists.

oops, i’m getting tired, i meant to say, i don’t see conservative/republican websites questioning Obama’s citizenship, not calling him a birther which would not make much sense. in fact, they usually hostile to the birthers.

579 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:20:16am

re: #577 palomino

Donald trump praised Obama and I think supported him in 2008. he had attacked bush for years prior tot hat. he’s given money to Democrat candidates, and he’s certainly not a conservative.

if so many Americans doubted Obama’s citizenship, how did he win twice rather easily? i think that debunks your talking point on this.

580 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:23:30am

i don’t see the birthers as anymore prevalent than the liberals who were obsessed with BUsh being AWOL while in the national guard. it’s really the same kind of thing. i do think if Obama was a republican, you’d have scores of liberals who were birthers and i doubt being a birther would be a bad thing. the media would be all over that, i think.

581 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:29:21am

re: #579 DrTesla

Donald trump praised Obama and I think supported him in 2008. he had attacked bush for years prior tot hat. he’s given money to Democrat candidates, and he’s certainly not a conservative.

if so many Americans doubted Obama’s citizenship, how did he win twice rather easily? i think that debunks your talking point on this.

Not a talking point. Polls show that nearly half of Republicans doubt Obama’s citizenship. That has nothing to do with him getting elected since: a) most registered Republicans wouldn’t vote for him anyway; and b) the vast majority of Democrats and independents don’t believe the birther garbage. (This is basic logic…did you even read the post you’re responding to?)

As for Trump, so what if he gave money to a Democrat at some point? He was the loudest, most famous Republican on the birther train; and yes, he’s a member of the party and considered a presidential run as a Republican. He ranted about birth certificates for months, and still isn’t completely satisfied that Obama is an American citizen.

582 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:32:28am

re: #580 DrTesla

i don’t see the birthers as anymore prevalent than the liberals who were obsessed with BUsh being AWOL while in the national guard. it’s really the same kind of thing. i do think if Obama was a republican, you’d have scores of liberals who were birthers and i doubt being a birther would be a bad thing. the media would be all over that, i think.

Bush being AWOL for a few weeks is just saying “he’s a bad guy, even a liar.” Obama not being born in America makes him ineligible to be president, fulfilling the birther dream of removing him from office.

So, yeah, it’s different. Very different, whether you can see it or not.

583 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:35:45am

re: #581 palomino

Not a talking point. Polls show that nearly half of Republicans doubt Obama’s citizenship. That has nothing to do with him getting elected since: a) most registered Republicans wouldn’t vote for him anyway; and b) the vast majority of Democrats and independents don’t believe the birther garbage. (This is basic logic…did you even read the post you’re responding to?)

As for Trump, so what if he gave money to a Democrat at some point? He was the loudest, most famous Republican on the birther train; and yes, he’s a member of the party and considered a presidential run as a Republican. He ranted about birth certificates for months, and still isn’t completely satisfied that Obama is an American citizen.

i would classify Trump as an independent. i think he was real anti-war so I figured he would be respected on this website.

i think liberals are obsessed with the birthers. almost like they want to gin up sympathy for Obama b/c some peope doubt his citizenship. you can’t name one prominent Republican pundit who is a birther. trump haad no shot at the republican nomination once his liberal views are stuff were exposed.

584 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:38:22am

re: #582 palomino

Bush being AWOL for a few weeks is just saying “he’s a bad guy, even a liar.” Obama not being born in America makes him ineligible to be president, fulfilling the birther dream of removing him from office.

So, yeah, it’s different. Very different, whether you can see it or not.

so if Bush had a foreign born father and the kind of life history that Obama has, you don’t think there be some people who would doubt his citizenship and won’t to see him removed on that basis?
there were prominent liberals like Dan Rather and Michael moore who believed the AWOL stuff despite Bush producing dental records in Alabama.

585 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:41:20am

re: #583 DrTesla

i would classify Trump as an independent. i think he was real anti-war so I figured he would be respected on this website.

i think liberals are obsessed with the birthers. almost like they want to gin up sympathy for Obama b/c some peope doubt his citizenship. you can’t name one prominent Republican pundit who is a birther. trump haad no shot at the republican nomination once his liberal views are stuff were exposed.

It doesn’t really matter what YOU classify Trump as. He’s a Republican. He endorsed Romney, regularly endorses other Republicans, and considered running in 2012 as a Republican. That pretty much settles it.

Most elected Republicans have shied away from birtherism, at least at the national level. But when half of the opposing party’s members think the president is lying about his birthplace, then Dems will use it to make the GOP look bad. Poli Sci 101.

586 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:42:13am

my view of liberals is they know they can’t defend Obama’s record on the economy and spending and other stuff, so they want to gin up the birther stuff to both get some sympathy for Obama and to make Republicans out as crazy conspiracy theorists.

i mean, Obama has won re-election but liberals are still talking about the birthers 24-7. obviously the birthers aren’t a threat to Obama remaining president at this point, unless you think they may be on to something.

587 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:43:33am

re: #585 palomino

It doesn’t really matter what YOU classify Trump as. He’s a Republican. He endorsed Romney, regularly endorses other Republicans, and considered running in 2012 as a Republican. That pretty much settles it.

Most elected Republicans have shied away from birtherism, at least at the national level. But when half of the opposing party’s members think the president is lying about his birthplace, then Dems will use it to make the GOP look bad. Poli Sci 101.

actually he’s not a Republican, in that he’s never been elected to office as a Republican. You can argue he’s’ a Republican voter but in this sense you are saying he’s a Republican pol. simply not true.

588 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:43:38am

re: #586 DrTesla

my view of liberals is they know they can’t defend Obama’s record on the economy and spending and other stuff, so they want to gin up the birther stuff to both get some sympathy for Obama and to make Republicans out as crazy conspiracy theorists.

i mean, Obama has won re-election but liberals are still talking about the birthers 24-7. obviously the birthers aren’t a threat to Obama remaining president at this point, unless you think they may be on to something.

You were right. I vote you The Biggest Loser. I now look forward to you getting banned. Tired of your shit. You don’t belong here. Fuck off asshole.

589 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:43:45am

re: #583 DrTesla

[Link: scottsommers.wordpress.com…]

590 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:44:31am

Can we get rid of DrTesla now please?

591 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:45:53am

re: #584 DrTesla

so if Bush had a foreign born father and the kind of life history that Obama has, you don’t think there be some people who would doubt his citizenship and won’t to see him removed on that basis?
there were prominent liberals like Dan Rather and Michael moore who believed the AWOL stuff despite Bush producing dental records in Alabama.

Wow, you really don’t know your stuff. Your analogy about Bush is a disaster.

See, here’s the thing…Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico. And Romney’s citizenship was never an issue in the campaign.

Oops. Fail.

592 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:46:08am

Seriously. I see no point anymore. This is disruptive. DrTesla needs to go. So long. Later. Out of here. Banned. Blocked. Get rid of his/her stupid ass now please.

593 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:46:33am

It’s been two days of his/her stupid ass shit.

594 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:46:38am

re: #591 palomino

Wow, you really don’t know your stuff. Your analogy about Bush is a disaster.

See, here’s the thing…Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico. And Romney’s citizenship was never an issue in the campaign.

Oops. Fail.

Plus John McCain was born in Panama.

595 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:46:40am

It’s boring.

596 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:48:11am

re: #588 Gus

You were right. I vote you The Biggest Loser. I now look forward to you getting banned. Tired of your shit. You don’t belong here. Fuck off asshole.

eh, i probably will get banned. guys like you got your torch and rope. can’t even tolerate one token conservative on here but then you libs say we have epistemic closure or whatever the hell the expression is.

597 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:50:36am

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

598 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:51:07am

re: #596 DrTesla

eh, i probably will get banned. guys like you got your torch and rope. can’t even tolerate one token conservative on here but then you libs say we have epistemic closure or whatever the hell the expression is.

You don’t fit in. You’re freaking nuts. Go away now. Go to Prison Planet or something. You’re harshing my buzz asshole.

599 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:51:20am

re: #586 DrTesla

my view of liberals is they know they can’t defend Obama’s record on the economy and spending and other stuff, so they want to gin up the birther stuff to both get some sympathy for Obama and to make Republicans out as crazy conspiracy theorists.

i mean, Obama has won re-election but liberals are still talking about the birthers 24-7. obviously the birthers aren’t a threat to Obama remaining president at this point, unless you think they may be on to something.

If that’s what you think, you’re not paying attention to much of the current focus in the media. It’s certainly not 24/7 birtherism. It’s 24/7 sequester and govt shutdown.

600 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:51:59am

re: #597 DrTesla

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

Go to World Nut Daily.

601 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:52:48am

[Hits buzzer.]

602 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:52:55am

[GONG]

603 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:53:09am

DrTesla is a NUTBAG!

604 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:53:56am

I tried. Tired of this bullshit.

605 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:54:51am

Time for DrTesla to go now. Please.

606 Shvaughn  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:54:52am

re: #597 DrTesla

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

Yeah, you have such great rhetorical skills.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

For my friend, and 20% of women in her situation, she never got the insurance company to cover her prescription, despite verification of her illness from her doctor.

Remember that?

That was the sound of me owning your ass.

607 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:55:44am

You blew it DrTesla. Get help.

608 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:56:08am

i crack up at some of these liberals who just say “wingnut” in a sentence over and over and over. doesn’t that get old? I debate issues. this bitchy gus guy is why a lot of people think liberals are pussies. dude is so uptight and he’s not even talking about anything in an intelligent way. even if i was liberal i’d think this guy is a tool. it’s late at night and few people are even on here so who the hell cares. get a real problem like cancer and then come cry to me.

609 EdDantes  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:57:10am

re: #596 DrTesla

eh, i probably will get banned. guys like you got your torch and rope. can’t even tolerate one token conservative on here but then you libs say we have epistemic closure or whatever the hell the expression is.

I am a conservative here and have absorbed many down dings (especially lately) but I do try not to make a nuisance of myself. I’m sure some will say my very presence is a nuisance but I do try to state my case succinctly, accept my down dings and, and then move on. It would behoove you to do the same.

610 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:57:11am

re: #608 DrTesla

You’re in a manic mode dude. Get help. Sorry. I’m not here to deal with people with serious mental problems. You have serious mental problems.

611 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:58:08am

re: #597 DrTesla

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

Bullshit, you didn’t even know Romney’s dad was born in a foreign country. You couldn’t debate rings around a kitchen table. Your arguments are ill informed, ignorant of important facts, and largely based on personal impressions rather than data.

We don’t call all conservatives stupid, we call conservatives like you stupid.

And you can type the word fuck here. You won’t get banned for that.

612 AlexRogan  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:58:12am

re: #597 DrTesla

Man, you’re pretty damned cocksure, aren’t you? It must be terrible walking through doorways, trying to get that giant head of yours through.

You haven’t been “debating” jack shit; your fact-free spewings have tended to be nothing more than collections of just about every RWNJ talking point out there.

Besides, I still think that you have a distinctly sockpuppet-y scent about you.

613 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:01:45am

re: #609 EdDantes

I am a conservative here and have absorbed many down dings (especially lately) but I do try not to make a nuisance of myself. I’m sure some will say my very presence is a nuisance but I do try to state my case succinctly, accept my down dings and, and then move on. It would behoove you to do the same.

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

614 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:03:08am

re: #609 EdDantes

I am a conservative here and have absorbed many down dings (especially lately) but I do try not to make a nuisance of myself. I’m sure some will say my very presence is a nuisance but I do try to state my case succinctly, accept my down dings and, and then move on. It would behoove you to do the same.

:D

615 EdDantes  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:04:16am

re: #597 DrTesla

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

Settle down. Don’t get into pissing matches here. Be respectful and accept that what you say will not be received well. There is a time to fold your tent.

616 AlexRogan  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:05:47am

re: #613 DrTesla

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

You have some giant cahones accusing Gus (or anyone else here, for that matter) of trolling, when that’s all that you’ve been doing ever since you popped up.

If you want that martyr cookie, you’re gonna have to do better that this.

617 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:07:43am

re: #613 DrTesla

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

You’re still weird dude. You’ve been ranting for two days now. Getting sick of it.

618 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:08:18am

re: #613 DrTesla

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.

620 EdDantes  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:10:48am

re: #613 DrTesla

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

Generally, I disagree with the way you are conducting yourself. I am weird also, but I try to back off if I get to “weird”. I disagree with some of the things you say but I am more concerned with you presentation.
I don’t believe you’re a nut or crazy but I believe you are young.

621 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:11:33am

well i should have just ignored him but he obviously trying to get me banned and it probably will work. i get insulted all the time on here which i don’t mind but this guy won’t even debate the topics with me. i don’t see what fun it is to be on here and not say much other than stuff like wingnut over and over.

622 AlexRogan  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:11:44am

re: #618 Gus

Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Already.

Oh, don’t worry, Gus; it won’t be long until ol’ DrTesla goes full-tilt wingnut and gives Stinky cause to show him the door.

I give them 24 hours or less.

623 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:12:44am

re: #621 DrTesla

well i should have just ignored him but he obviously trying to get me banned and it probably will work. i get insulted all the time on here which i don’t mind but this guy won’t even debate the topics with me. i don’t see what fun it is to be on here and not say much other than stuff like wingnut over and over.

Well now. Talk about bad taste!

624 DrTesla  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:13:55am

alright guys, i need to get some beauty sleep, i’m getting cranky and pissed off about not having a job as well.

good nite.

625 EdDantes  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:15:29am

re: #624 DrTesla

alright guys, i need to get some beauty sleep, i’m getting cranky and pissed off about not having a job as well.

good nite.

Good night, Doc. I hope things get better for you. I mean it.

626 AlexRogan  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:17:16am

re: #624 DrTesla

Mmm-hmmm…

627 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:17:17am

re: #613 DrTesla

dude, if they need to ban me, let them ban me. I’ve been perfectly polite on here, this Gus guy has been trolling me all damn night on here and I’m tired of his whining. I just want to debate stuff with the liberals on here who can do that. i’m not afraid of liberal opinions , i’m interested in what liberals think. it’s cool if you disagree with me but I’m am in no way a “nut” or “crazy”. I may be “weird” but I don’t think being weird is necessarily a bad thing.

It’s not like you’re telling people to fuck off or anything. But many of your posts are along the lines of: “It’s funny how you libs…” or “It’s funny how LGF used to be x and now it’s y…” [not direct quotes, i’m paraphrasing]

Do you really think communicating with people that way will make them think, “Yes, this person seems sincere and I’d like to converse seriously with him/her”?

628 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:18:57am

re: #624 DrTesla

alright guys, i need to get some beauty sleep, i’m getting cranky and pissed off about not having a job as well.

good nite.

Youtube Video
629 palomino  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 1:23:22am

re: #621 DrTesla

well i should have just ignored him but he obviously trying to get me banned and it probably will work. i get insulted all the time on here which i don’t mind but this guy won’t even debate the topics with me. i don’t see what fun it is to be on here and not say much other than stuff like wingnut over and over.

There’s a serious theme to the wingnut repetition: that the GOP’s far right faction threatens the health of the party that most of us used to like, or at least respect.

630 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 4:44:00am

re: #586 DrTesla

GAZE

If this troll comes back, let’s not feed it next time.

631 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 5:12:25am

re: #596 DrTesla

eh, i probably will get banned. guys like you got your torch and rope. can’t even tolerate one token conservative on here but then you libs say we have epistemic closure or whatever the hell the expression is.

You are not a conservative. You are obstinately dense, lying sack of rocks who refuses to admit that you might just be wrong. You have found the dead horse that was Sandra Fluke’s Congressional testimony (it was not a legal argument in court, brainiac) and flogged it to death with a baseball bat.

By the way, how come on some comments you actually follow normal rules of capitalization and punctuation, and others it’s all lower case? Might you be two people?

632 geoffm33  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 5:52:26am

re: #569 DrTesla

also, the vast majority of insurance plans probably cover birth control. this is only an issue at schools like Georgetown that are private religious schools, and there are plenty of non-religious schools you can attend if this is a big issue for you. i don’t see what the problem is.

I had Hodgkins’ lymphoma 5 years ago. that’s a real problem. this isn’t.

I’m sorry you had to go through that, but still, If I could downding you more than once, I would for this. Just because one condition is bad, doesn’t make it acceptable to deny access to doctor prescribed medication to treat another.

633 geoffm33  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 5:58:58am

re: #597 DrTesla

gus,

you can’t debate me brother. I can run rings around you. that’s what pisses you off. you sit here and call conservatives stupid all damn day, and I’m’ a million times more intelligent than you, and everybody f—— knows it.

You haven’t provided one cogent argument in the entire time you’ve been here.

634 Interesting Times  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 6:00:06am

Speaking of cysts, it’s obvious the manic troll has spent too much time kissing the one on limbaugh’s butt.

As for the “Socratic method”, that comes in handy at first - no matter how stupid and dishonest rightwing talking points are, it helps to have intelligent, factual arguments to shoot them down. But when the gibbering rightwing trolls simply repeat the same lies over and over, gish-gallop style, it’s time to bring the banhammer down IMO. Linking to reputable sources and debunking lies always takes more time and effort than simply copypasting the same lie over and over, so when it comes to the ability to frustrate and inconvenience others, trolls “win” because their method is easier - same way a natural loudmouth can drown out everyone else by yelling the same thing over and over.

Now watch the gibbering misogynist troll go back to the stalker blog from whence he came and brag about this “victory”. Somewhat like the drunken idiot who got tossed out of a bar bragging about how those bouncers just couldn’t handle his genius 9_9

635 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 6:02:14am

re: #634 Interesting Times

When I was a bouncer, I once walked a guy out who was telling me “You just want me out here so I don’t fuck all the sluts”. He was asked to leave because he’d pissed himself.

636 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 6:12:31am

Gah, I don’t normally go on a rage-dinging binge. I’ll bet this asswipe has memorized entire Rush segments just to vomit them here.

637 chadu  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 9:21:46am

re: #608 DrTesla

get a real problem like cancer and then come cry to me.

How do you know Gus hasn’t had cancer?


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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
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4 days ago
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