RIP, Alvin Lee

He’s goin’ home
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We’re sorry to report that Alvin Lee, one of the first rock guitarists with a reputation for being really really fast, dude, has passed away from complications following surgery.

Alvin Lee used to practice on a bare guitar neck with no strings, learning the patterns and riffs that came to mark his unique style by hearing them in his head. Here’s the classic Ten Years After performance from Woodstock.

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344 comments
1 nutz4Tuna  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:08:21pm

Alvin was able to shred with the best of ‘em, but he always did so with a sense of musicality that’s lost on the Yngwie Malmsteens of the world. RIP

2 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:11:51pm

Happy Greenwaldmas!
Happy Birthday, Glenn Greenwald!

3 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:13:03pm

ES-335?

4 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:13:19pm

What a gift to bring joy to so many people. RIP.

5 Charles Johnson  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:22:22pm

I think I must have gone to theaters in Hawaii at least a dozen times to see the original Woodstock. It was a huge source of inspiration to me, and this Ten Years After performance was one of the best. So long, Alvin.

6 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:23:19pm

American Legislative Exchange Council behind push to lower minimum wages: report

The conservative lobbying group Alec has been behind a major push against the pay rates of low-wage American workers by sponsoring or supporting scores of new laws aimed at weakening their protections, a new survey has found.

Since 2011, politicians backed by the American Legislative Exchange Council, which has hit the headlines for previous campaigns on voting rights and gun laws, have introduced 67 different laws in 25 different states on the issue.

The proposed laws are generally aimed at reducing minimum wage levels, weakening overtime protection or stopping the local creation of minimum wage laws in cities or states. Using language similar to “model bill” templates drafted by Alec, they were put forward by local politicians who are almost always Republican and affiliated with the powerful conservative group.

7 b_sharp  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:23:34pm

He had a great ‘guitar face’.

8 Amory Blaine  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:37:30pm

The Girls On Fox News

9 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:40:45pm

re: #8 Amory Blaine

The Girls On Fox News

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Question: If you play that song backwards, does your dog come home and your truck fix itself?

[dives into bunker]

10 austin_blue  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 6:51:27pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

Question: If you play that song backwards, does your dog come home and your truck fix itself?

[dives into bunker]

No need to dive (especially when the entrance to your bunker is blocked with snow). The simple answer is “yes”, that is exactly what happens. Country music is entwined with the God Particle and is quantum in its purest form.

11 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:02:49pm

What was the “routine procedure” that went horribly wrong?

12 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:07:51pm

DERP, but they want to make Rand “Stop Welfare to Israel” Paul President by Acclamation (BTW person being honored is an Egyptian women’s activist)

13 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:08:13pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

Happy Greenwaldmas!
Happy Birthday, Glenn Greenwald!

Now on the rec list. Can I call them or what?

14 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:10:53pm

re: #12 Vicious Babushka

DERP, but they want to make Rand “Stop Welfare to Israel” Paul President by Acclamation (BTW person being honored is an Egyptian women’s activist)

That is actually troubling. The tweets are in Arabic. Are the translations accurate?

15 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:13:26pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

That is actually troubling. The tweets are in Arabic. Are the translations accurate?

I have no idea. However the adulation being directed at Rand Paul is far more troubling than DOS honoring an Egyptian activist who might have sent an anti-Israel Tweet.

16 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:15:04pm

Brainyquote should actually be called Fakeyquote.

17 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:16:35pm

Would wingnuts approve shooting down illegal aliens with drones, if they were trying to cross the border?

18 Blue Point  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:32:47pm

At Woodstock Alvin Lee and Ten Years After laid down a tune that will live forever. THAT was raw pure power. He was riding lightning. RIP Alvin. I raise my cup to you.

19 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:44:46pm

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world and white college educated men are worried about drones.

20 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:50:36pm

re: #19 Gus

We have the highest incarceration rate in the world and white college educated men are worried about drones.

Let’s not pretend that the Luddites didn’ t have a philosophical underpinning.

21 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:52:42pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

Let’s not pretend that the Luddites didn’ t have a philosophical underpinning.

Yeah, they didn’t want their jobs replaced by machines.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:53:15pm

Al ghazali - The Incoherence of the Philosophers
Backwards thinking requires a good deal of intellect.

23 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:53:49pm

re: #21 Kragar (Antichrist )

Yeah, they didn’t want their jobs replaced by machines.

Heroes of the working class!
/

24 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:57:22pm

re: #21 Kragar (Antichrist )

Yeah, they didn’t want their jobs replaced by machines.

3 cheers for the 3d printed car! Right?

25 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:58:14pm

I support Obama’s drone policy in the GWOT.

26 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:58:40pm

re: #24 Gus

3 cheers for the 3d printed car! Right?

You can have my loom when you pry it from my cold dead hand!

27 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:01:38pm

Water wheel is anti-oxen propaganda!

28 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:02:59pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Water wheel is anti-oxen propaganda!

The assembly line put the small town craftsman out of business.

29 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:06:01pm

re: #28 Kragar (Antichrist )

The assembly line put the small town craftsman out of business.

Charlie Chaplin- Modern Times


It’s worth watching if you haven’t seen it in a while
30 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:08:44pm

Police helicopter in inner city, OK. Police drone in suburbia, not OK.

31 Varek Raith  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:11:25pm
32 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:16:22pm

Drones.

33 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:18:17pm

re: #32 Gus

Drones.

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:18:40pm

re: #28 Kragar (Antichrist )

The assembly line put the small town craftsman out of business.

It also made many goods both faster to produce and a good bit cheaper. The dislocation was painful, but needful.

35 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:20:46pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It also made many goods both faster to produce and a good bit cheaper. The dislocation was painful, but needful.

Pff, I’m still angry blacksmiths put the local flint shapers out of business.

36 EPR-radar  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:22:20pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It also made many goods both faster to produce and a good bit cheaper. The dislocation was painful, but needful.

Dislocations in domestic labor markets due to progress can be justified.

Wholesale exportation of jobs, as we have seen for many years under globalization, is another thing entirely.

37 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:24:43pm
38 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:25:21pm

re: #37 Gus

I wish I could be surprised, I really do.

39 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:26:46pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

I wish I could be surprised, I really do.

40 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:28:02pm

re: #39 Gus

Sweet Revisionism of God, that’s absurd.

41 blueraven  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:29:47pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

That is actually troubling. The tweets are in Arabic. Are the translations accurate?

I cant find these accusations anywhere else. Any mentions go back to the same source.

Skeptical. The article really provides no proof at all.

42 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:31:31pm

re: #39 Gus

Yeah, look at all those slave owners who were whipped and taken away from their families.

43 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:31:57pm

re: #41 blueraven

I cant find these accusations anywhere else. Any mentions go back to the same source.

Skeptical. The article really provides no proof at all.

Google translate?

Explosion on a bus carrying Israeli soldiers at the airport in Bulgaria’s Burgas on the Black Sea.Iaaaaaaaaameshl Lavalys today sweet Levi News ÇáÍáćĺ

She claims her Twitter was hacked. Still didn’t delete that Tweet. Have no idea if that’s a proper translation.

44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:33:54pm

re: #42 Kragar (Antichrist )

Yeah, look at all those slave owners who were whipped and taken away from their families.

Not to mention those that were killed when they tried to escape slave ownership. Man this shit pisses me off. These idiots complain that Obama is a tyrant but yet they want to push literature that rationalizes slavery. Slavery………

45 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:38:34pm

re: #43 Gus

Google translate?

She claims her Twitter was hacked. Still didn’t delete that Tweet. Have no idea if that’s a proper translation.

Babylon translation:

An explosion on a bus carrying Israelis in Burgas Airport on the Bulgarian Black Sea. يااااااااامسهل today Today sweet AWA الحلوه news

46 blueraven  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:38:35pm

re: #43 Gus

Google translate?

She claims her Twitter was hacked. Still didn’t delete that Tweet. Have no idea if that’s a proper translation.

Yes I saw that. I just need a bit more information before counting her as some vile, evil person.

47 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:39:24pm

re: #46 blueraven

Yes I saw that. I just need a bit information more before counting her as some vile, evil person.

I don’t know either. I’m watching my Twitter feed. Rand Paul. Drones. :D

48 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:39:47pm

re: #43 Gus

Google translate?

She claims her Twitter was hacked. Still didn’t delete that Tweet. Have no idea if that’s a proper translation.

Let’s hope the powers at be have done due diligence on this one. If not I suspect a schedule change for the event.

49 Killgore Trout  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:40:34pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Charlie Chaplin- Modern Times

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It’s worth watching if you haven’t seen it in a while

I forgot about the drug humor in that one. Pretty edgy for its time.

50 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:45:54pm

re: #39 Gus

It’s true in the sense that large-scale slave owners had to remain slave owners if they wanted to maintain their lifestyle, but otherwise its BS (since the owners did have the option to free their slaves, while the slaves could not free themselves). So overall I rate the claim as crap.

51 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:51:04pm

Hello my peoples !
Just checkin in to see if the wingers were still crazy…
Yep.

52 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 8:58:23pm

Sooo…
What’s new?
I needed to take a mental health break.
Sandy Hook messed me up, so I swore off the news for a while.

53 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:11:44pm

re: #52 OhNoZombies!

Sooo…
What’s new?
I needed to take a mental health break.
Sandy Hook messed me up, so I swore off the news for a while.

I’ve got a new job I’ve been at for a little under two months now.

54 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:13:41pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

I’ve got a new job I’ve been at for a little under two months now.

Congratulations!!! I’m happy for you.
Is it something you enjoy?

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:15:17pm

re: #54 OhNoZombies!

Congratulations!!! I’m happy for you.
Is it something you enjoy?

Sometimes. The event I’m working on has been slow to get going, but I think my team has finally ‘cracked’ it.

56 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:16:51pm

re: #52 OhNoZombies!

Sooo…
What’s new?
I needed to take a mental health break.
Sandy Hook messed me up, so I swore off the news for a while.

Trying to find a career. Took the FSOT last month. Flopped as expected. Can’t take it again for another year but them’s the breaks. Gonna be looking at some stores after I get back from vacation at the end of the month.

57 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:21:31pm
58 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:22:42pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

I’m sorry, but hey, at least you’ll know what to expect when/if you decide to test again.
:-)

59 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:23:54pm

re: #58 OhNoZombies!

I’m sorry, but hey, at least you’ll know what to expect when/if you decide to test again.
:-)

Shit happens. One of my fellow applications told me that only like 20% pass on their first try. And yeah I know what to expect now which is of course a huge plus.

60 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:24:28pm

OT but listening to that new Hendrix album. Good stuff. Great reminder of why it’s so easy to fall in love with music.

61 Mich-again  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:28:00pm

The main difference between Rant Paul and James Traficant is that Traficant had a gopher living on his head but Paul has a bird’s nest.

62 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:31:09pm

re: #61 Mich-again

The main difference between Rant Paul and James Traficant is that Traficant had a gopher living on his head but Paul has a bird’s nest.

Actually, the main difference is that Trafficant broke the law and Rand Paul, to date, has not.

63 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:34:48pm
64 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:50:21pm

Wow. Someone just re-Tweeted a guy from AEI. Really bad shit going down tonight.

65 AlexRogan  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:52:14pm

re: #64 Gus

Wow. Someone just re-Tweeted a guy from AEI. Really bad shit going down tonight.

Who? Here?

66 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:53:47pm

re: #65 AlexRogan

Who? Here?

Here. Emily Hauser re-Tweeted that.

67 dragonath  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:55:51pm

Found a few interesting thing on Wiki tonight

Walker Orchestrates Attack on Adlai Stevenson

The famous attack in Dallas, Texas on the person of United Nations Ambaddasor Adlai Stevenson on “UN Day,” 24 October 1963 was orchestrated by resigned Major General Edwin Walker.

In mid-October 1963 Walker rented the same Dallas Memorial Auditorium in which Adlai Stevenson would speak. He advertised his opposing event as “US Day” and he invited members of the John Birch Society, the National Indignation Convention, the Minutemen and other right-wing organizations that were fundamentally opposed to the existence of the United Nations.

On the night before Adlai Stevenson’s speech, Walker held his “US Day” rally and instructed his audience to “buy all the tickets” they could afford to the Adlai Stevenson speech, and to fill the auditorium with rightists. Walker then instructed his audience to heckle Stevenson mercilessly, and to bring Halloween noise-makers, and bring their own prepared speeches to recite in the hallways, and generally disrupt Adlai Stevenson’s speech in any way that they could.

Walker also instructed his followers to hoist a banner on the ceiling of the Auditorium, and fold it, and tie it with a long string, so that when the string was pulled, it would unfurl. On one side of the banner was printed, “US out of UN!” and on the other side was printed, “UN out of US!” This banner was to remain folded until after Adlai Stevenson began speaking.

Walker himself did not attend the planned disruption of Adlai Stevenson’s speech, nor did he take credit for the orchestration. The events in the Auditorium proceeded exactly according to plan, so that Adlai Stevenson quit speaking before his presentation was finished, and rushed out to his limo. On his way there, Adlai Stevenson was spat upon by some protesters, and one protester struck Adlai Stevenson in the head with her placard. The spitter and the hitter were both arrested. Walker was not charged although his role was well known at the time. [32]

and

Stevenson confronted open hostility when he visited Dallas, Texas to deliver a speech commemorating United Nations Day at the Memorial Auditorium Theater on October 24, 1963, one month before the assassination of Kennedy in the same city. Upon exiting the building, he was struck on the head by Cora Frederickson who was wielding a picket sign with the message “DOWN WITH THE UN.”

When he inquired about the reason behind her action, she tartly responded, “If you don’t know what’s wrong, I don’t know why. Everybody else does.” Additionally he, along with policeman R. L. Larson, were spat upon by Robert Edward Hatfield.[11][12] Amid the furor, Stevenson said of his assailants: “I don’t want to send them to jail. I want to send them to school.”[13]

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:56:27pm

Attorney General: Corrupt banks are too big to jail

The size of the largest financial institutions has made it difficult for the U.S. Justice Department to bring criminal charges when there’s wrongdoing, Attorney General Eric Holder said.

Criminal charges against a bank — something that could threaten its existence — may also endanger the national or global economies in the case of the largest ones, because of their size and interconnectedness. That has “made it difficult for us to prosecute” some of those institutions, Holder said today at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing.

“That is a function of the fact that some of these institutions have become too large,” Holder told lawmakers. “It has an inhibiting impact on our ability to bring resolutions that I think would be more appropriate.”

69 AlexRogan  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:57:01pm

re: #66 Gus

Here. Emily Hauser re-Tweeted that.

Maybe it just me, but I saw her reply as a bit sarcastic.

Perhaps my sarcasm meter’s borked tonight, I dunno.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 9:58:04pm

re: #67 dragonath

Found a few interesting thing on Wiki tonight

Walker Orchestrates Attack on Adlai Stevenson

and

It’s eerie how some things don’t change at all. Walker is akin to jerry Boykin today. Walker made a big deal out of the desegregation of the military just like Boykin makes a big deal out of gays openly being able to serve since the repeal of DADT.

71 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:00:52pm

re: #69 AlexRogan

Maybe it just me, but I saw her reply as a bit sarcastic.

Perhaps my sarcasm meter’s borked tonight, I dunno.

Maybe.

72 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:10:01pm

Useful idiots.

73 freetoken  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:29:32pm

re: #72 Gus

Useful idiots.

I believe Madison Avenue would call them “customers”.

74 AlexRogan  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:31:37pm

re: #73 freetoken

I believe Madison Avenue would call them “customers”.

And crooks would call them “marks”.

75 freetoken  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:40:01pm

Olivier Messiaen’s “Vingt regards sur l’enfant-Jésus”, no.1, played by Steven Osborne:

76 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 10:48:59pm
77 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:34:09pm

Funny, I was just playing Alvin’s “I’d Love to Change the World”, one of the first songs I ever learned on the guitar as a teenager, the other night - before I had learned of his demise.

Gotta whip that one out for the next gig.

78 Kragar (Antichrist )  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:50:40pm
79 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 11:57:56pm

It is not about governance, it is about political posturing. In that respect, RP has been an outstanding success.

80 BeenHereAwhile  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:00:06am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I think I must have gone to theaters in Hawaii at least a dozen times to see the original Woodstock. It was a huge source of inspiration to me, and this Ten Years After performance was one of the best. So long, Alvin.

Hearing Alvin Lee perform “Going Home” live at Woodstock, was just one of the musical highlights of that weekend.

But IMHO it wasn’t the best performance of the festive. 

Another highlight was that the fact that in 1969, there was an awakening that myself, friends & 495,000 other people could get together in one place, and contrary to popular opinion, the social order did not break down, nor could Richard Nixon or another power cause the earth to open up and swallow us whole. 

81 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:02:26am

The whole concept behind armed drones is to project firepower into a region we can’t place ground troops into and don’t want to place a manned air asset over in case it gets shot down or because of operational hours.

None of those are issues in the United States.

82 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:02:27am

I used to hang out with a young woman who was at Woodstock - as an 11-month-old baby with her hippie mother. She rebelled against her mom by getting into sports and athletics, although deep down inside whe just wanted to be a groupie.
She finally gave up rebelling, married a musician and settled down in Durango, Colorado.

83 freetoken  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:08:46am
84 BongCrodny  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:13:44am

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Actually, the main difference is that Trafficant broke the law and Rand Paul, to date, has not.

Not equating the two, but there is that whole pothead thing…

85 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:29:12am

Let Aqua Buddha decide!

86 freetoken  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:53:06am
87 Tigger2  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 1:00:44am

re: #6 Kragar (Antichrist )

American Legislative Exchange Council behind push to lower minimum wages: report

The Republicans really do want to turn us into a third world country.

88 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 1:07:05am

re: #87 Tigger2

The Republicans really do want to turn us into a third world country.

I think their ideal is to have the entire American workforce line up each morning outside the Home Depot or on a vacant lot outside an industrial estate, where bosses would come with pickup trucks and announce what they were hiring for that day and a what wage.

Because their vision of the Free Market means no government restriction or interference in labor negotiations, and in their America, they expect individuals and families with limited resources to negotiate on equal terms with multinational corporations.

89 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 2:42:32am

re: #76 Gus

I just watched “Topkapi” the other day on TCM with her in it.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 2:46:50am

Good early morning to the Lizards!

Sun not up yet in Philly, but I am. Went to bed early and then just decided to get up rather than toss and turn until it was time to go to work. So I got up, fed the cats, made a cup of tea, and have decided to catch up on thread comments early. :)

And the hot sauce company I partially own has a new product out:

Image: Jerky_package.jpg

Image: Jerky_Sample.jpg

The Feline Overlords seem to think it smells interesting since they mounted a raid on the table while I was taking the picture of the sample pieces.

91 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 2:48:21am

re: #87 Tigger2

The Republicans really do want to turn us into a third world country.

And a lot of their base does not understand where they would end up in the class tiers in such a system.

92 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 2:52:28am

As “entrepreneurs”, which means they will be standing outside the Home Depot waiting for the trucks to pull up every morning…

93 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 3:02:07am

Seniors Steal $2.8M Yacht For Beer- and Pizza-Fueled Joyride

Shortly past midnight on Monday morning, three suspects between the ages of 54 and 63 stole a luxury sailboat from the Sausalito marina, loaded it with beer and pizza, and set sail (presumably aiming to cross the U.S.-Mexico maritime boundary?). Unfortunately for the trio, their journey lasted only until they ran aground in shallow waters off of Pacifica and spent several pre-dawn hours being tossed to and fro in the rough surf off Linda Mar Beach.

In what sounds like a dramatic rescue straight from a Kevin Costner/Ashton Kutcher collaboration, a Coast Guard swimmer was lowered from a helicopter to deliver a radio to the sea-sick thieves while Pacifica police gathered on the beach with guns drawn. All three amateur pirates, including one whose real-life prosthetic leg gave him a telltale limp, arrived on the beach looking visibly seasick (read: wasted) and were booked on suspicion of conspiracy and grand theft.

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 3:08:36am

re: #93 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Seniors Steal $2.8M Yacht For Beer- and Pizza-Fueled Joyride

At least they don’t have to worry about their pensions, they can await free housing, food and health care for the rest of their days!

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:01:17am

This is pretty much my retirement plan: buy a lottery ticket every week until I turn 65, if I haven’t won by then, I rob a bank. Even if I get caught, I don’t have to worry about food, housing and medical care for the ret of my days…

96 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:01:21am

re: #93 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Seniors Steal $2.8M Yacht For Beer- and Pizza-Fueled Joyride

If leg-man had gone for a wooden peg and an eyepatch, I say turn ‘em loose.

97 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:03:34am

re: #95 Sol Berdinowitz

This is pretty much my retirement plan: buy a lottery ticket every week until I turn 65, if I haven’t won by then, I rob a bank. Even if I get caught, I don’t have to worry about food, housing and medical care for the ret of my days…

In the weeks before retirement, co-workers often asked about my ‘plan’.

Told them it relied on cannibalism.

98 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:13:50am

Rand Paul’s filibuster lasted 13 hours. Zombie Strom Thurmond says: “Back in the day…”

99 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:29:53am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Rand Paul’s filibuster lasted 113 hours. Zombie Strom Thurmond says: “Back in the day…”

13, not 113, isn’t it? Or is this some sort of measurement in “conservative hours”?

Hmm, the first robot or zombie Senator should be able to filibuster indefinitely. No vocal cords to wear out, or need to eat, drink, or use the bathroom.

100 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:33:33am

re: #99 Feline Fearless Leader

13, not 113, isn’t it? Or is this some sort of measurement in “conservative hours”?

Hmm, the first robot or zombie Senator should be able to filibuster indefinitely. No vocal cords to wear out, or need to eat, drink, or use the bathroom.

This is keyboard stutter. 13 hrs.

fixed

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:34:14am

re: #97 Decatur Deb

In the weeks before retirement, co-workers often asked about my ‘plan’.

Told them it relied on cannibalism.

Did they get you a bottle of a nice chianti as a retirement gift?
:)

102 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:35:28am

Dogwalk/greenhouse venting. BBIAB

103 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:43:57am

Yesterday I bought a new furniture set for the TV room, I called Vincent DePaul to come and pick up the old furniture and they said they can’t come out here for a WEEK! Meanwhile they are delivering the new stuff on Sunday.

My boss said “just tell them to put the old furniture out on the street and somebody with a truck will come by and help themselves.”

This sucks. I want to vacuum the room before they bring the new stuff in.

104 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:46:48am

re: #103 Vicious Babushka

Yesterday I bought a new furniture set for the TV room, I called Vincent DePaul to come and pick up the old furniture and they said they can’t come out here for a WEEK! Meanwhile they are delivering the new stuff on Sunday.

My boss said “just tell them to put the old furniture out on the street and somebody with a truck will come by and help themselves.”

This sucks. I want to vacuum the room before they bring the new stuff in.

Any way to bribe/hire a few neighbors to put the old stuff out on the street before Sunday?
(Though some locales are picky about stuff going on the curb until the night before trash day.)

105 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:48:50am

Bad news on my neighbor, for anyone who remembers that. He had some sort of medical crisis a few blocks away and was taken to hospital, where he died. He got immediate medical care and had only been gone from his apartment for an hour, so there was nothing anyone could do. However, he’d been a John Doe— no ID on him— so I guess we cleared up one administrative problem.

Bye, grumpy old German dude. I wish I had known you better so I’d have good things to say about you.

106 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:48:58am

re: #104 Feline Fearless Leader

Any way to bribe/hire a few neighbors to put the old stuff out on the street before Sunday?
(Though some locales are picky about stuff going on the curb until the night before trash day.)

Trash pickup is on Tuesday, and yeah I have pissy neighbors who don’t like trash on the street too early, but they put THEIR crap out early.

I’m reluctant to use Craigslist since I don’t want random people coming into my house and eyeing my stuff.

107 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:50:51am

I can call the furniture store and reschedule the delivery to a week from Sunday.

108 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 4:56:05am

re: #105 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Bad news on my neighbor, for anyone who remembers that. He had some sort of medical crisis a few blocks away and was taken to hospital, where he died. He got immediate medical care and had only been gone from his apartment for an hour, so there was nothing anyone can do. However, he’d been a John Doe— no ID on him— so I guess we cleared up one administrative problem.

Bye, grumpy old German dude who stared at my wife creepily and didn’t even say thank you when I picked up the groceries you dropped. I wish I had known you better so I’d have good things to say about you.

Sorry to hear that. Did he have any family that anyone knows about, who should be notified?

109 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:02:20am

re: #108 Vicious Babushka

Sorry to hear that. Did he have any family that anyone knows about, who should be notified?

I dunno. The apartment management company spoke to someone when they got the missing person’s thing started. I don’t know how notification of next of kin works or anything.

My immediate next door neighbor is an adorable elderly Scottish lady who chain-smokes and drinks tons of gin and conducts every conversation at the top of her lungs. We’ve had a chat about how “ISN’T IT SHOCKING” and “YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW” and “IF I’M GOING TO HOSPITAL I’LL LEAVE YOU A NOTE MY LOVE.”

You have to read those in a thick but refined Scottish accent.

110 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:05:53am

What the hell it’s snowing now.

111 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:08:15am

re: #107 Vicious Babushka

I can call the furniture store and reschedule the delivery to a week from Sunday.

Try your local Habitat for Humanity “Restore” number. Ours picks up daily.

112 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:11:50am

re: #109 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I dunno. The apartment management company spoke to someone when they got the missing person’s thing started. I don’t know how notification of next of kin works or anything.

My immediate next door neighbor is an adorable elderly Scottish lady who chain-smokes and drinks tons of gin and conducts every conversation at the top of her lungs. We’ve had a chat about how “ISN’T IT SHOCKING” and “YOU NEVER KNOW, YOU JUST NEVER KNOW” and “IF I’M GOING TO HOSPITAL I’LL LEAVE YOU A NOTE MY LOVE.”

You have to read those in a thick but refined Scottish accent.

If she shouts all the time she’s probably a bit deaf.

113 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:12:58am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Try your local Habitat for Humanity “Restore” number. Ours picks up daily.

Thanks for the tip. I found a number for Oakland County MI and will call when their office opens.

114 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:13:49am

re: #112 Vicious Babushka

If she shouts all the time she’s probably a bit deaf.

Yes, she most definitely is.

115 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:36:07am

re: #114 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yes, she most definitely is.

Great, now I got Monty Python bits with Palin or Jones in frumpy housewife drag screaming at the tops of their lungs in a Scottish accent playing in my head. Something about a penguin on the telly…

Which, when I think about it, is an acceptable distraction from work.
;)

MOAR COFFEE!

116 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:43:03am

DERP DERP HURR HURR
The “American Taliban” is not who Bryan Fischer thinks it is.

117 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:45:23am

DERP DERP
If Obama was even 0.001% of the “Dictator” and the “Hitler” the wingnuts are all seething about, wouldn’t he have totally droned some right-wing asses by now or at least sent these Tweeters to TwitterGulag?

118 Decatur Deb  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 5:50:36am

re: #117 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP
If Obama was even 0.001% of the “Dictator” and the “Hitler” the wingnuts are all seething about, wouldn’t he have totally droned some right-wing asses by now or at least sent these Tweeters to TwitterGulag?

In my day we had real murderous dictators…

119 darthstar  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:02:50am

Mornin’ everyone.

120 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:05:06am

re: #119 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Morning to you and the rest of the lizards!

How’s the new job?

EDI: That is if I am not imagining things and you don’t have a new job…

121 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:05:42am

re: #119 darthstar

Mornin’ everyone.

Image: need_moar_minions.jpg

It’s that sort of day.

122 darthstar  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:08:39am

I’m sure I’ll get used to it again after I see a couple of paychecks, but this working shit is weird. And my new company has both physical hardware they ‘sell’ (they actually pay their customers a commission for the right to install on site) and maintain as well as the software that operates it. So in addition to having programmers around me I have technicians who occasionally break out a drill to bore a hole in a steel display cabinet.

123 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:11:42am

re: #122 darthstar

I’m sure I’ll get used to it again after I see a couple of paychecks, but this working shit is weird. And my new company has both physical hardware they ‘sell’ (they actually pay their customers a commission for the right to install on site) and maintain as well as the software that operates it. So in addition to having programmers around me I have technicians who occasionally break out a drill to bore a hole in a steel display cabinet.

So besides being able to get help with building custom software for home, you can get someone to build you an armored computer box with built-in Faraday cage and wind-tunnel class fan capacity?
;)

124 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:12:35am

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

So besides being able to get help with building custom software for home, you can get someone to build you an armored computer box with built-in Faraday cage and wind-tunnel class fan capacity?
;)

I’ll have one if it has flames or racing stripes!

125 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:13:50am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The current storm that did all kinds of havoc in the rest of the country has so far not amounted to much in the way of accumulating snow (actually none in Northern NJ or even NYC), but the problem so far has been coastal flooding. Areas prone to flooding are seeing some, which means that areas hit hard by Sandy are seeing flooding once again.

That goes for places along the Jersey Shore that have barely had a chance to catch their breath since Sandy chased them from their homes.

Now, the weather ppl are saying we’re going to see the snow during the day and into the overnight tonight, with those on Eastern LI seeing the highest snow. We shall see. It just means that the flood-prone areas will have at least one if not two high tides to worry about before this storm exits. That can’t come soon enough.

126 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:14:17am

re: #122 darthstar

I used to do the software/management side of a large-scale data backup service. The guys who used to get sent out to fix the tape machines were like surgeons - those machines had some *very* fiddly parts to them.

127 darthstar  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:16:01am

re: #123 Feline Fearless Leader

So besides being able to get help with building custom software for home, you can get someone to build you an armored computer box with built-in Faraday cage and wind-tunnel class fan capacity?
;)

Not quite, but close. Get yourself locked up in county jail for a couple of months and there’s a good chance you’ll see our product…and like it.

128 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:20:17am

re: #127 darthstar

Not quite, but close. Get yourself locked up in county jail for a couple of months and there’s a good chance you’ll see our product…and like it.

Heh. I plan on avoiding seeing the inside of the county jail for the foreseeable future. But I do know someone who does (or used to) work in the Milwaukee County lock-up.

129 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:25:42am

re: #111 Decatur Deb

Try your local Habitat for Humanity “Restore” number. Ours picks up daily.

I finally got hold of Habitat but they only do pickups on Saturday.

So, will reschedule the delivery and have Vincent DePaul pickup next week.

130 darthstar  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:25:48am

Heh…one of my friends on facebook posted a picture of herself with Condoleeza Rice…another mutual friend wrote, “OMG! YOU GOT YOUR PICTURE TAKEN WITH MICHELLE OBAMA?” Fucking hilarious…

131 darthstar  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:26:42am

Oh shit…gotta get my ass moving. See you all later.

132 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:27:03am

So, on the Pages this morning, we wasted a ton of money on an illegal war in Iraq that has severely damaged that country, and while we were there we set up a torture system based on the Central American “Dirty Wars”.

Yay America!

133 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:27:52am

But that Hugo Chavez, what a bad man he was!

134 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:28:25am

The rebel talking in the first of the videos claims that the Israelis are behind the UN and inaction in taking on Assad.

I get that the rebels resent the fact that the West isn’t doing anything to help, but that too is because the rebels comprise groups that include AQ and other Islamic terrorists as well as secularists who are united in seeking Assad’s overthrow but little else. After seeing how rebel forces in places like Libya have fractured and allowed Islamists and terrorists access to weapons caches, the West doesn’t want to see a repeat.

Further, the ire against Israel is just another non sequitur that is common among folks who have been fed anti-Israel propaganda for as long as Israel’s been around. Rather than blame Iran, China or Russia for UN inaction (they’re the ones who have thwarted sanctions or anything stronger through the veto threat at the Security Council), they take the easy way out and blame Israel.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:31:58am

Good morning lizards!

I have no power at home, no heat, no water…we are staying at a hotel tonight. According to the news not only are there downed power line, there are lots of telephone poles snapped in half. We might not get power until this weekend because they have to replace those poles.

Grrrrr.

136 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:35:01am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I have no power at home, no heat, no water…we are staying at a hotel tonight. According to the news not only are there downed power line, there are lots of telephone poles snapped in half. We might not get power until this weekend because they have to replace those poles.

Grrrrr.

Good luck. Do you get any insurance cover for that?

137 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:38:14am

re: #136 iossarian

Good luck. Do you get any insurance cover for that?

For no power? I don’t think so. Luckily the trees that went down in my yard weren’t close enough to my house or I would be calling the insurance company this morning.

138 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:41:12am

Drones.

139 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:42:18am

OK. I’m ready for the giant asteroid to hit Earth.

140 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:43:52am

Drones. Drones, drones, drones.

141 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:44:28am

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

For no power? I don’t think so. Luckily the trees that went down in my yard weren’t close enough to my house or I would be calling the insurance company this morning.

Well, good luck again. At least no-one’s hurt!

142 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:44:56am

re: #139 Gus

OK. I’m ready for the giant asteroid to hit Earth.

Here we go again: Big asteroid set to buzz Earth

A newly discovered asteroid the size of a football field will cruise through Earth’s neighborhood this weekend, just days after another space rock made an even closer approach to our planet.

The 330-foot-wide (100 meters) asteroid 2013 ET will miss Earth by 600,000 miles (960,000 kilometers) when it zips by on Saturday. The space rock flyby will come just days after the 33-foot (10 m) asteroid 2013 EC approached within 230,000 miles (370,000 km) of us early Monday.

143 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:45:15am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I have no power at home, no heat, no water…we are staying at a hotel tonight. According to the news not only are there downed power line, there are lots of telephone poles snapped in half. We might not get power until this weekend because they have to replace those poles.

Grrrrr.

bummer. Consider yourself lucky to get a room. I bet the hotels fill up pretty quick.

144 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:45:42am

re: #141 iossarian

Well, good luck again. At least no-one’s hurt!

Thanks. Just tired. I didn’t get much sleep last night.

145 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:46:20am

re: #143 Killgore Trout

bummer. Consider yourself lucky to get a room. I bet the hotels fill up pretty quick.

Considering most people around here have no power right now I was surprised we got one.

146 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:46:36am

So, Rand Paul finished his talking filibuster this morning.

What exactly did he accomplish? Aired his grievances, some of which I actually share (as far as the policy that leaves the door open to domestic UAV strikes against people within the US proper), but that was against the nomination for John Brennan at CIA. The President hasn’t withdrawn the nomination, and he’s still going to eventually get confirmed.

What the filibuster has done is highlight that the system in the Senate is broken and that we accept the silent filibuster of nominations for other posts, like the federal judiciary, as a fact of life.

The job of the Senate is to advise and consent. It isn’t to block the business of government. If the nominee isn’t qualified, that’s a legitimate beef. If the nominee holds positions that some fraction of the Senate doesn’t agree with, that’s reason to vote against the nominee, but not block the nomination altogether.

147 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:52:11am

re: #146 lawhawk

So, Rand Paul finished his talking filibuster this morning.

What exactly did he accomplish? Aired his grievances, some of which I actually share (as far as the policy that leaves the door open to domestic UAV strikes against people within the US proper), but that was against the nomination for John Brennan at CIA. The President hasn’t withdrawn the nomination, and he’s still going to eventually get confirmed.

What the filibuster has done is highlight that the system in the Senate is broken and that we accept the silent filibuster of nominations for other posts, like the federal judiciary, as a fact of life.

The job of the Senate is to advise and consent. It isn’t to block the business of government. If the nominee isn’t qualified, that’s a legitimate beef. If the nominee holds positions that some fraction of the Senate doesn’t agree with, that’s reason to vote against the nominee, but not block the nomination altogether.

After killing close to 150,000 to 700,000 Iraqis on a bullshit war based on bullshit intelligence surrounding imaginary WMDs America is having a conversation about, drones. Excuse me while I rip my hair out in the absurdity of this fucking event.

148 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:57:51am

re: #147 Gus

Why do you hate ‘merica //

149 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 6:59:23am

re: #148 geoffm33

Why do you hate ‘merica // humans?

FTFY :D

150 Mattand  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:00:05am

re: #146 lawhawk

So, Rand Paul finished his talking filibuster this morning.

What exactly did he accomplish? Aired his grievances, some of which I actually share (as far as the policy that leaves the door open to domestic UAV strikes against people within the US proper), but that was against the nomination for John Brennan at CIA. The President hasn’t withdrawn the nomination, and he’s still going to eventually get confirmed.

What the filibuster has done is highlight that the system in the Senate is broken and that we accept the silent filibuster of nominations for other posts, like the federal judiciary, as a fact of life.

The job of the Senate is to advise and consent. It isn’t to block the business of government. If the nominee isn’t qualified, that’s a legitimate beef. If the nominee holds positions that some fraction of the Senate doesn’t agree with, that’s reason to vote against the nominee, but not block the nomination altogether.

I know Lawhawk’s mentioned this, but is anyone else getting the feeling that conservatives have had the upper hand for a while now?

If they see legislation they don’t like, they filibuster.

They avoided any real filibuster reform.

They’ve been destroying the economy by refusing to negotiate in good faith, and the average American voter (a.k.a., a clueless idiot) blames Obama.

They managed to reduce income tax for all but the smallest minority, thereby ensuring revenue problems for decades to come.

They’re slowly but surely outlawing abortion by making it impossible to get one.

All this against a backdrop of an alleged civil war that is supposed to be tearing the GOP asunder.

If this is the Republican party in defeat, I really don’t want to see what happens when they’re winning.

151 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:02:16am

re: #150 Mattand

Basically, we’ve discovered the political system in the US has a fundamental flaw— if one party decides to be obstructionist and is able to ally with media and religion in order to sell the idea that obstructionism is good, that government is bad, then they’re capable of executing enormous amounts of power.

The problem is partially the structure of the system, but it’s mostly the cultivated ignorance of the GOP base.

152 Mattand  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:02:27am

re: #147 Gus

After killing close to 150,000 to 700,000 Iraqis on a bullshit war based on bullshit intelligence surrounding imaginary WMDs America is having a conversation about, drones. Excuse me while I rip my hair out in the absurdity of this fucking event.

I either get reamed out for mentioning all of the dead Iraqi civilians, or it gets dismissed in the “Making an omelet by breaking a few eggs” category.

153 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:02:48am

“America’s Hero” Rand Paul completes filibuster, first media interview with Glenn Beck!

154 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:02:57am

Here is a public announcement:

It is 10:00 on the east coast and Hugo Chavez is still dead.

That is all.

155 EmmaAnne  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:04:20am

re: #150 Mattand

I know Lawhawk’s mentioned this, but is anyone else getting the feeling that conservatives have had the upper hand for a while now?

God, yes.

156 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:05:20am

re: #150 Mattand

Exactly. The GOP keeps painting the various deals and compromises as defeats, such as the Tax Act in January that made permanent the Bush tax cuts for all but those making over $400/$450k. That was treated as a huge defeat, even though the GOP got nearly all of what it sought.

Same thing with the sequester. The GOP got the cuts they sought in discretionary income, but are now seeking more of the same from the nondiscretionary budget all while looking to reinstate the spending at Defense at the expense of the PPACA.

They’ve not so subtly changed the language of the debate to their favor, and continue playing as though they keep losing while winning (even the PPACA’s individual mandate was something that the GOP and conservatives sought for 20 years before Obama incorporated it into his vision of health care reform).

157 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:05:22am

I am already so sick of this Viking series.

158 Mattand  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:06:09am

re: #151 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Basically, we’ve discovered the political system in the US has a fundamental flaw— if one party decides to be obstructionist and is able to ally with media and religion in order to sell the idea that obstructionism is good, that government is bad, then they’re capable of executing enormous amounts of power.

The problem is partially the structure of the system, but it’s mostly the cultivated ignorance of the GOP base.

So the question becomes how do we fix it?

The immediate answer is voting out the obstructionists, I guess. The problem is what do you do when nearly half of the country is as bat shit as the conservatives they elect?

I know I’m a broken record, but look at the conservatives here who vote GOP. They seem to be rational people, but they’re throwing in their lot with a party that is actively appealing to religious fanatics, racists, and paranoids.

How do you fix a problem when the “moderates” are perfectly willing to support people this radical?

159 steve_davis  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:10:38am

re: #5 Charles Johnson

charles, what I love about the film version is that you can actually hear slight reverb on the vocals as they come back at the recording equipment. I’d never noticed that before, and I’ve got this particular version on both a compilation and the Blue Ray Woodstock version. I guess it just goes to show how even seemingly minor tweaks in the engineering can really change the mix. Of course, on the flipside, I can crank the comp version of this up to 11 on my studio speakers and make the whole back end of the house swing.

160 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:10:52am

re: #158 Mattand

So the question becomes how do we fix it?

The immediate answer is voting out the obstructionists, I guess. The problem is what do you do when nearly half of the country is as bat shit as the conservatives they elect?

I know I’m a broken record, but look at the conservatives here who vote GOP. They seem to be rational people, but they’re throwing in their lot with a party that is actively appealing to religious fanatics, racists, and paranoids.

How do you fix a problem when the “moderates” are perfectly willing to support people this radical?

How we do it is very, very, very hard: We have to prosecute the religions that evade taxation while preaching politics, which alone is going to be a an insane fight, and we’re going to have to communicate the reality of economics, we have to teach the “You didn’t build that” message in a way that can actually get through. I think it’s possible, but it’s going to be really freaking hard.

Until we can get that, it’s just a desperate get out the vote attempt, every election.

161 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:10:53am

re: #158 Mattand

So the question becomes how do we fix it?

The immediate answer is voting out the obstructionists, I guess. The problem is what do you do when nearly half of the country is as bat shit as the conservatives they elect?

I know I’m a broken record, but look at the conservatives here who vote GOP. They seem to be rational people, but they’re throwing in their lot with a party that is actively appealing to religious fanatics, racists, and paranoids.

How do you fix a problem when the “moderates” are perfectly willing to support people this radical?

People are a problem.

— Douglas Adams

162 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:10:56am

North Korea threatens pre-emptive nuclear attack against US

North Korea threatened the United States on Thursday with a preemptive nuclear strike, raising the level of rhetoric while the U.N. Security Council considers new sanctions against the reclusive country.

North Korea has accused the United States of using military drills in South Korea as a launch pad for a nuclear war and has scrapped the armistice with Washington that ended hostilities in the 1950-53 Korean War.

North Korea, which has one major ally, neighboring China, threatens the United States and its “puppet”, South Korea, on an almost daily basis.

“Since the United States is about to ignite a nuclear war, we will be exercising our right to preemptive nuclear attack against the headquarters of the aggressor in order to protect our supreme interest,” the North’s foreign ministry spokesman said in a statement carried by the official KCNA news agency.

The last sanctions must really be getting under this little twerp’s skin. Maybe Dennis Rodman needs to go back and stroke his ego again.

163 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:12:24am

re: #138 Gus

Drones.

Tickle

164 steve_davis  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:15:33am

re: #35 Kragar (Antichrist )

Pff, I’m still angry blacksmiths put the local flint shapers out of business.

And don’t forget that the local flint shapers basically put saber-toothed tigers out of business. For a long while, it was the tigers chasing terrified people around the savannah. Then, it was the people chasing the tigers, shouting, “Payback’s a bitch!”

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:15:52am

re: #157 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I am already so sick of this Viking series.

They landed on Mars, and then just sat there?
;)

166 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:24:31am

re: #160 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I sometimes wonder if this kind of gradual change in the political climate is even possible. Arguably, leftward shifts in economic policy come about as the result of severe crises combined with either a still-functioning political system (e.g., post-WWII prosperity in Europe) or a violent revolution. Once the abrupt leftward shift has happened, there is then gradual rightward drift due to the (inevitable?) ability of the holders of wealth to bend the system to their advantage over time. Eventually, the concentration of wealth becomes extreme again and the cycle repeats. (Note this is all a bit hand-wavy and not something that I’m staking out as THE TRUTH ABOUT ECONOMIC HISTORY.)

In a way, this is why I wind up DF by saying that from a progressive’s point of view, the best course of action may be to vote Republican in the hope (knowledge) that they’ll drive the US into the ditch completely, from which we’ll be able to chart a saner, fairer course.

167 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:30:55am

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

They landed on Mars, and then just sat there?
;)

Bloody Vikings.

168 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:31:49am

re: #166 iossarian

To me, that analysis leaves out people. They’re important. Hitler wasn’t inevitable— there might have been someone who was actually a ‘good’ populist, who was able to defy the international community constructively to throw off the crushing economic weight it was under. It nearly collapsed on a number of occasions. Likewise, Aaron Burr could have become president, which would have been unbelievably bad. On a different scale, the Civil Rights Movement in the US didn’t succeed on the back of MLK, but on the back of the supporters that he had, the network of men and women who made the sacrifices and the small-scale plans and put themselves in the positions they did. Not a lot of people know that Rosa Parks didn’t just one day decide to take a stand, she was active with civil rights groups and she chose her moment, and she had their support.

People are convinced and swayed by circumstances but also by other people, and a small but deeply spread and committed organization can have powerful effects. Obama has the nascent growth of a real organization, and, weirdly, the GOP are making Democratic get out the vote efforts almost a functional pragmatic organization on their own. I did GOTV for Obama during this last election and met some people I still correspond with and we’re going to do GOTV for the 2014 elections together as well and rope in whoever we can.

169 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:32:10am

re: #165 Feline Fearless Leader

They landed on Mars, and then just sat there?
;)

I can already tell this is my favorite joke of the day.

171 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:38:42am

Looks like Barrett Brown is going to have plenty of time to contemplate being a douche-bag.

Trial Delayed for Anonymous “Spokesman”

“Barrett Lancaster Brown faces three federal indictments against him. The first came after he posted tweets and YouTube videos that ripped opponents and lashed out at law enforcement. The charges against him now include aggravated identity theft and concealing evidence.

172 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:40:15am

re: #168 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

This is a really good point, and the Civil Rights movement is an obvious counterexample to my “waves hands” theory that transfer of power to the weak/oppressed only happens via crises.

I do think, however, that the political system is harder to work within now than it was in the past (the 60s, say). That’s not an expert opinion though so maybe I’m wrong about that.

173 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:41:52am

re: #172 iossarian

Yeah, fuck, I don’t know how to gauge that. I know it’s fucking incredibly hard now.

174 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:42:31am

re: #171 Bubblehead II

Looks like Barrett Brown is going to have plenty of time to contemplate being a douche-bag.

Trial Delayed for Anonymous “Spokesman”

“Barrett Lancaster Brown faces three federal indictments against him. The first came after he posted tweets and YouTube videos that ripped opponents and lashed out at law enforcement. The charges against him now include aggravated identity theft and concealing evidence.

Poor ol’ crazy Barrett. You can say we tried to warn him.

175 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:43:25am

UN Security Council OKs new sanctions to punish N. Korea for latest nuclear test (S/RES/2094 (2013)). Full text will be provided shortly.

176 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:44:55am

Barrett got banned from LGF. Then he went over to “that other blog.” Finally, he went super psycho. I think he might be looking at 25 years.

177 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:44:56am

The UN Human Rights Council Honors Hugo Chavez

During the years when the late Hugo Chavez ruled Venezuela and attacked human rights there, the UN Human Rights Council was unable to adopt one single resolution about Venezuela. To this sad record a final note was added this week: a moment of silence in his honor.

This would have been objectionable even if the Council had a tradition of such actions, and was following its own rules and procedures. But it has no such practices, so the homage to Chavez was simply a mockery of the Council’s purposes.

178 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:45:08am

re: #174 Gus

Poor ol’ crazy Barrett. You can say we tried to warn him.

This be true.

179 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:46:09am

I don’t know how I am going to get rid of this sofabed. I rescheduled the new furniture delivery for next week, and Vincent Depaul is coming to take away the rest of the stuff but THEY WILL NOT TAKE AWAY the sofabed and that thing is heavy as fuck.

The furniture store will not deliver the new stuff if there is old stuff in the room.

My boss said offer the Vincent Depaul guys a something extra to put the sofabed on the curb.

Any other suggestions?

180 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:46:17am

re: #175 lawhawk

UN Security Council OKs new sanctions to punish N. Korea for latest nuclear test (S/RES/2094 (2013)). Full text will be provided shortly.

I think we shut cut them off from supplies of intensity.

181 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:46:32am

re: #172 iossarian

This is a really good point, and the Civil Rights movement is an obvious counterexample to my “waves hands” theory that transfer of power to the weak/oppressed only happens via crises.

I do think, however, that the political system is harder to work within now than it was in the past (the 60s, say). That’s not an expert opinion though so maybe I’m wrong about that.

The political system seems a lot more “monolithic” than it previously was; 1900 for instance. Back then both major parties had a spectrum of members from reactionaries through conservatives to progressives and even radicals. They could generate a splinter party for an election or two, but generally were eventually reabsorbed.

And particular legislative initiatives would get support from both sides of the aisle. You could more easily label a bill “conservative” or “progressive” rather than putting a party label on it. And the party in the majority had control of the agenda addressed, but tended to allow the minority party to also put up items for consideration.

182 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:46:50am

re: #173 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Yeah, fuck, I don’t know how to gauge that. I know it’s fucking incredibly hard now.

The Hastert Rule, for one, makes it extremely difficult. It’s actually quite mind-boggling that it’s acceptable. And it’s too “inside baseball” to mainstream it so that the public would see at least one reason why there is so much gridlock.

183 Stanley Sea  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:47:33am

re: #122 darthstar

I’m sure I’ll get used to it again after I see a couple of paychecks, but this working shit is weird. And my new company has both physical hardware they ‘sell’ (they actually pay their customers a commission for the right to install on site) and maintain as well as the software that operates it. So in addition to having programmers around me I have technicians who occasionally break out a drill to bore a hole in a steel display cabinet.

I’m with ya. My new job is whack. But the pay is good.

184 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:48:59am
185 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:49:23am

re: #174 Gus

Poor ol’ crazy Barrett. You can say we tried to warn him.

I just checked his youtube channel and it looks like the video he posted soliciting for my personal information has finally been taken down.

186 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:50:41am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I just checked his youtube channel and it looks like the video he posted soliciting for my personal information has finally been taken down.

How long was it there?

187 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:51:34am

re: #181 Feline Fearless Leader

It’s interesting to think that the Southern Democrats may in some ways have had a positive effect on Civil Rights by enabling pro-business, socially liberal Republicans of the time to vote for reform.

I think the monolithity (?) of current politics is a bad thing - it’s also abundantly clear, as mentioned above, that the US political system is simply flawed in its inability to deal with a minority party that seeks to obstruct the functioning of government. I think that flaw is the bigger culprit right now.

188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:52:21am

re: #186 NJDhockeyfan

How long was it there?

Quite some time. Last I checked was shortly after he was arrested and it was still posted. Thankfully it didn’t generate much interest.

189 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:54:10am

Anyone have any good references/books/articles about the shifting political landscape between D and R vis-a-vis the civil rights movement/Southern Strategy, etc?

190 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:54:49am

re: #175 lawhawk

UN Security Council OKs new sanctions to punish N. Korea for latest nuclear test (S/RES/2094 (2013)). Full text will be provided shortly.

Does that mean the Norks are going to nuke us now?
//

191 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:55:30am

re: #170 NJDhockeyfan

Chicago Anchor Loses It Over Report Woman Had Gun Hidden in Vagina

I cannot tell you how happy I am to see this in the news. It gives me something to point to the next time I do my story - the one where we caught a woman trying to smuggle a pistol into prison during visiting hours. Yep, in her vagina. It isn’t common, but happens often enough I’ve talked to others who have seen it. And the disbelief that rolls off some - you’d think I was telling birthers that Obama was born in Hawaii.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:55:38am

re: #188 Killgore Trout

Quite some time. Last I checked was shortly after he was arrested and it was still posted. Thankfully it didn’t generate much interest.

I would assume he has no access to a computer in prison.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 7:57:10am

re: #191 kirkspencer

I cannot tell you how happy I am to see this in the news. It gives me something to point to the next time I do my story - the one where we caught a woman trying to smuggle a pistol into prison during visiting hours. Yep, in her vagina. It isn’t common, but happens often enough I’ve talked to others who have seen it. And the disbelief that rolls off some - you’d think I was telling birthers that Obama was born in Hawaii.

For real?

194 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:01:38am

re: #176 Gus

Barrett got banned from LGF. Then he went over to “that other blog.” Finally, he went super psycho. I think he might be looking at 25 years.

2 years for the aggravated Identity theft

(1) In general.— Whoever, during and in relation to any felony violation enumerated in subsection (c), knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person shall, in addition to the punishment provided for such felony, be sentenced to a term of imprisonment of 2 years.

And up to 20 years for concealing evidence.

This may or may not apply. Lawhawk?

18 USC § 1512 - Tampering with a witness, victim, or an informant

(c) Whoever corruptly—
(1) alters, destroys, mutilates, or conceals a record, document, or other object, or attempts to do so, with the intent to impair the object’s integrity or availability for use in an official proceeding; or
(2) otherwise obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.

So yeah, he’s looking at a bit of time behind bars.

195 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:03:11am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

For real?

I was on visitor search when it was found. Not the actual searchers, just got to see it bagged and listen to the wtf remarks. The senior lt said it was the third he’d seen in ten years. I have spoken to three other people who worked in prisons who had seen or heard of it where they were working.

And now an actual news report I can reference.

So yeah, for real.

196 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:04:05am

re: #195 kirkspencer

I was on visitor search when it was found. Not the actual searchers, just got to see it bagged and listen to the wtf remarks. The senior lt said it was the third he’d seen in ten years. I have spoken to three other people who worked in prisons who had seen or heard of it where they were working.

And now an actual news report I can reference.

So yeah, for real.

Unbelievable.

197 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:04:55am

re: #116 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP HURR HURR
The “American Taliban” is not who Bryan Fischer thinks it is.

Here’s some information on the REAL Taliban (source: wikipedia). Tell me if this reminds you more of Republicans or Democrats:

The Taliban (Pashto: طالبان‎ ṭālibān “students”), alternative spelling Taleban, is an Islamic fundamentalist political movement in Afghanistan. It spread into Afghanistan and formed a government, ruling as the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan from September 1996 until December 2001, with Kandahar as the capital. However, it gained diplomatic recognition from only three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates. Mohammed Omar has been serving as the spiritual leader of the Taliban since 1994.
While in power, it enforced its strict interpretation of Sharia law,and leading Muslims have been highly critical of the Taliban’s interpretations of Islamic law. The Taliban were condemned internationally for their brutal treatment of women. The majority of their leaders were influenced by Deobandi fundamentalism,and many also strictly follow the social and cultural norm called Pashtunwali.

More on Pashtunwali:

Pashtuns embrace an ancient traditional, spiritual, and communal identity tied to a set of moral codes and rules of behaviour, as well as to a record of history spanning some seventeen hundred years.
Pashtunwali promotes self-respect, independence, justice, hospitality, love, forgiveness, revenge and tolerance toward all (especially to strangers or guests)
.It is considered to be the personal responsibility of every Pashtun to discover and rediscover Pashtunwali’s essence and meaning.

Yep, those Taliban guys sure sound like a bunch of communist pukes.

198 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:07:54am
199 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:09:13am

DERP

200 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:11:01am

How about somebody tell Bryan the alarms are there in case they start having smoking hot gay sex?

201 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:12:19am

EA Suceeds in practically killing SimCity

On Tuesday, EA released the highly anticipated newest iteration of SimCity, a game that fans have been waiting years for, eagerly counting down the days until they could flex their god-like creation muscles and craft fresh societies as they see fit. Except SimCity 5 can’t be played offline, unleashing a torrent of complaints about crashing games and slow and wholly unavailable servers.

As a gamer, there is nothing, NOTHING that irritates me more than crap like this.

WE DON’T WANT TO PLAY ALL OUR GAMES ONLINE!!

SimCity 2000 was great. I never played SimCity 4 though I was interested in 5 when I heard it was coming out this year. I suspected shenanigans like this but still hoped EA might actually get it right.

Sometimes it sucks being right.

202 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:12:29am

re: #200 Vicious Babushka

How about somebody tell Bryan the alarms are there in case they start having smoking hot gay sex?

Or, indeed, even if just one of them is flaming.

203 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:13:13am

re: #202 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Or, indeed, even if just one of them is flaming.

As the great Homer Simpson once said:

I like my beer cold,
my TV loud,
and my homosexuals F-laming!

204 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:13:23am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

I suspected shenanigans like this but still hoped EA might actually get it right.

As an ex-EA employee, that’s always the bad bet.

205 Eclectic Cyborg  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:14:09am

re: #204 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

As an ex-EA employee, that’s always the bad bet.

I actually work with guy who used to be a tester for EA. I’ve heard plenty of horror stories.

206 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:14:34am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

For real?

Someone (Dragonath?) posted that link yesterday. A loaded pistol stashed in the most private of parts. I nearly fainted.

207 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:15:37am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

DRM always and only inconveniences people who buy their games legitimately.

208 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:18:26am

Who the fuck is Politicol?

209 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:18:48am

re: #194 Bubblehead II

Here’s the Fed prosecutors’ press release from December, when they added the charges to his indictment.

A federal grand jury in Dallas returned a 12-count indictment this week that charges Barrett Lancaster Brown in Count One with trafficking in stolen authentication features; in Count Two with access device fraud; and in Counts Three through Twelve with aggravated identity theft. Today’s announcement was made by U.S. Attorney Sarah R. Saldaña of the Northern District of Texas.

Brown, 31, a resident of Dallas, is in federal custody on charges outlined in another indictment, returned in the Northern District of Texas on October 3, 2012, that charges him with making an internet threat, conspiring to make restricted personal information of an employee of the U.S. publically available and retaliation against a federal law enforcement officer.

Count One of the most recent indictment alleges that on approximately December 25, 2011, Barrett, aided and abetted by others, knowingly trafficked in more than five authentication features, knowing that such features were stolen and produced without lawful authority. According to the indictment, Brown transferred a hyperlink from an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channel to an IRC channel under his control. That hyperlink provided access to data stolen from the company Stratfor Global Intelligence (Stratfor), which included more than 5,000 credit card account numbers, the card holders’ identification information and the authentication features for the credit cards, known as the Card Verification Values (CVV). By transferring and posting the hyperlink, Brown caused the data to be made available to other persons online, without the knowledge and authorization of Stratfor and the card holders.

Count Two of the indictment alleges that from approximately December 25, 2011, through at least March 6, 2012, Brown, aided and abetted my others, possessed at least fifteen or more unauthorized access devices, in that he possessed stolen credit card account numbers and CVVs without the knowledge and authorization of the card holders.

In Counts Three through Twelve, the indictment alleges that during the above-mentioned time period, Brown unlawfully transferred and possessed the means of identification, consisting of the CVVs; the card holders’ names and usernames for online account access; and the card holders’ physical address, phone numbers and email addresses.

An indictment is an accusation by a federal grand jury, and a defendant is entitled to the presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. Upon conviction, however, the trafficking count carries a maximum penalty of 15 years in prison and the access device fraud count carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison. Each of the aggravated identity theft counts, upon conviction, carries a mandatory two-year sentence in addition to any sentence imposed on the trafficking count. In addition, a fine of up to $250,000 may be imposed on each count of conviction. Restitution could also be ordered.

210 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:18:58am

re: #206 makeitstop

Someone (Dragonath?) posted that link yesterday. A loaded pistol stashed in the most private of parts. I nearly fainted.

Not only was it a gun but it was loaded as well. Imagine if it went off.

211 sattv4u2  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:21:05am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Not only was it a gun but it was loaded as well. Imagine if it went off.

Gives a whole new meaning to banging!

212 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:21:10am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Not only was it a gun but it was loaded as well. Imagine if it went off.

I just checked with Todd Akin, and he assures me that the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.

213 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:23:05am

re: #210 NJDhockeyfan

Not only was it a gun but it was loaded as well. Imagine if it went off.

Generally for that to happen you have to squeeze the trigger, and anyone who can get a pistol in there isn’t going to be squeezing anything with it.

214 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:23:44am

re: #212 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi

I just checked with Todd Akin, and he assures me that the female body has ways to shut that whole thing down.

Hey, if it’s not “legitimate sex” it can’t hurt you, amirite?

215 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:23:49am

re: #189 geoffm33

Anyone have any good references/books/articles about the shifting political landscape between D and R vis-a-vis the civil rights movement/Southern Strategy, etc?

Found and currently reading this if anyone else is interested:

When and (to an extent) why did the parties switch places?

216 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:28:29am

re: #213 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Generally for that to happen you have to squeeze the trigger, and anyone who can get a pistol in there isn’t going to be squeezing anything with it.

If she hits some potholes on the drive there it’s possible for the gun to accidentally discharge.

217 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:29:23am

re: #213 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce

Generally for that to happen you have to squeeze the trigger, and anyone who can get a pistol in there isn’t going to be squeezing anything with it.

An issue comes when she has a stud or other jewelry there. It gives another reason for metal detectors to go off. on the other hand it can snag the trigger a the pistol goes in or out.

219 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:32:19am

re: #209 lawhawk

Thanks. Looks like, if convicted on all counts, he will be lucky if he gets out in less than 20 years.

220 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:33:55am

Well, there’s your problem, right there…

That Deep in the Bubble?

Steve Benen touched on a sentence from a First Read report on Obama’s dinner with Republican Senators: “[O]ne senator told us that he learned, for the first time, the actual cuts that the president has put on the table. Leadership hadn’t shared that list with them before.”

He called it “amazing” and then moved on. But if NBC News had been an actual news gathering organization one would have expected to follow it down three paths of inquiry:

1. Really? Or did you just skip the meeting?

2. Are Republican senators so deeply embedded in the right wing epistemologically closed feedback bubble that they don’t even read the frakking Washington Post? And, let us remember there have been multiple instances over the last several months of Republican politicians being stunned to find out that things they demand Obama put onto the table were put onto the table by him weeks or months earlier.

3. Assuming they didn’t just miss the meeting or zone out, why isn’t McConnell sharing actual information with his caucus? Why are the members of his caucus depending on him for their news?

That is truly mind-boggling. These guys have ostensibly professional staff to do research - or they could do their own damn legwork.

Are they really going into these negotiations with zero information and letting McConnell get away with telling them nothing?

221 kirkspencer  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:34:16am

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Looks like, if convicted on all counts, he will be lucky if he gets out in less than 20 years.

On the other hand if he rolls he could end up with a lot less. But yeah, that’s the potential.

222 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:35:21am

re: #219 Bubblehead II

Thanks. Looks like, if convicted on all counts, he will be lucky if he gets out in less than 20 years.

Hopefully he pleads, uses the time in prisons successfully, kicks the H, and comes out a changed and better man.

223 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:36:18am

re: #216 NJDhockeyfan

If she hits some potholes on the drive there it’s possible for the gun to accidentally discharge.

accidental discharge?…the mind boggles.

224 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:37:17am

re: #220 makeitstop

Well, there’s your problem, right there…

That Deep in the Bubble?

That is truly mind-boggling. These guys have ostensibly professional staff to do research - or they could do their own damn legwork.

Are they really going into these negotiations with zero information and letting McConnell get away with telling them nothing?

They are going in to obstruct. They don’t need any information to do that.

225 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:39:56am

The moonbats are just as wound up as the wingnuts these days
ACLU Begins Comprehensive Investigation Into Emerging Police State In America

AUMF Creep

226 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:41:45am

Boom.

227 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:42:02am

re: #220 makeitstop

If they’ve preordained that they’ve got to obstruct no matter what, it doesn’t actually matter what’s included in Obama’s plan. The GOP already indicated that the Obama plan was DOA before ever bothering to read it.

Now, how does the fact that Obama is giving them exactly what they’ve been saying all along they want change things? It doesn’t. The GOP will simply move goalposts and demand still more changes.

It’s a variation on the GOP tactic of demanding that the President (and Democrats more generally) negotiate against themselves before the GOP produces a credible alternative.

And the GOP knows that this has a decent chance of working based on prior success.

The confab last night only sheds light on the fact that the right wing is nothing but an echo chamber where they don’t actually care what’s in the various plans, it’s about the posturing necessary to achieve a tactical advantage going forward.

228 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:42:16am

DERP DERP (look at what Bryan uses for a source)

229 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:44:05am

HuffPo remember Chavez…

Hugo Chavez was a man of many talents: he played ball, sang songs, pulled out pistols, and got down and groovy - and that is precisely how we’ll remember the Venezuelan leader.

Is that how everyone remembers him? I don’t.

230 allegro  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:46:17am

re: #225 Killgore Trout

The moonbats are just as wound up as the wingnuts these days
ACLU Begins Comprehensive Investigation Into Emerging Police State In America

AUMF Creep

What about this do you find especially nutty? Do you consider it a meaningless exercise?

“The American people deserve to know how much our local police are using military weapons and tactics for everyday policing,” said Allie Bohm, ACLU advocacy and policy strategist. “The militarization of local police is a threat to Americans’ right to live without fear of military-style intervention in their daily lives, and we need to make sure these resources and tactics are deployed only with rigorous oversight and strong legal protections.”

231 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:46:45am

re: #226 Gus

Boom.

Yeah, Hopefully they’ll cancel the event or disinvite her.

232 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:47:02am

re: #229 NJDhockeyfan

HuffPo remember Chavez…

Is that how everyone remembers him? I don’t.

Coming up next on Huff Po. The hidden dangers of vaccines and the wonders of homeopathy.

233 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:47:14am

re: #229 NJDhockeyfan

HuffPo remember Chavez…

Is that how everyone remembers him? I don’t.

No, but then 500,000 widows, orphans and torture victims in Iraq are unlikely to remember Dubya as a keen amateur oil painter either.

Bad people everywhere. Chavez just gets a lot of press because he wouldn’t let western oil companies suck money out of his country.

234 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:47:50am

Ugh. I’m out.

235 Killgore Trout  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:48:16am

Chavistas!

236 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:49:20am

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Chavistas!

I’m still waiting for the breathless reporting on how power transitions are shaping up in the House of Saud.

237 Kronocide  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:49:21am

re: #234 Gus

Ugh. I’m out.

Don’t want to hang around with the incessant Chavez = the Left equivocation? Can’t say I blame you.

238 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:51:58am

re: #226 Gus

I wrote to them. If the story is true, it’ll disappoint me if she honors her. The Weekly Standard connection makes me leery, but this could very well be in the 10% of crap they dig up that turns out to be true.

239 makeitstop  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:53:06am

re: #237 Kronocide

Don’t want to hang around with the incessant Chavez = the Left equivocation? Can’t say I blame you.

Yeah. It’s a cheap excuse for Moonbat-bashing in general - most likely due to the absence of new OWS news.
/

240 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:54:34am

I would love to hear from the “Chavez is so evil” crowd whether any of the Saudi royal family has cancer, is expected to die soon, will inherit the throne, may implement democratic reform in the country, etc.

Or maybe they don’t give a shit because the Saudis are right-wing authoritarians and nominally our allies.

241 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:55:07am

re: #240 iossarian

I would love to hear from the “Chavez is so evil” crowd whether any of the Saudi royal family has cancer, is expected to die soon, will inherit the throne, may implement democratic reform in the country, etc.

Or maybe they don’t give a shit because the Saudis are right-wing authoritarians and nominally our allies.

Huh? I’m virulent anti-Saudi-ruling-family. What are you talking about?

242 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:56:52am

re: #228 Vicious Babushka

DERP DERP (look at what Bryan uses for a source)

The whole thing is bullshit, imagine my surprise. //

According to the cached version of the JW page, the guy who tore the page is the one who made the claim that the Qur’an was thrown at him:

According to the statements of the accused, the Muslims threw the sacred [sic] book at his head, which provoked his action.

A Muslim won’t even touch the Qur’an unless s/he has made ritual ablutions.. It is always handled with respect and never set down on the ground, so throwing it at someone’s head would be out of the question.

243 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:57:47am

I know some of you guys don’t wanna hear about the Stalker Site, but this is so sweet:

“Chávez is Dead & Charles Johnson Decides He Better Say Something
March 6, 2013

After the previous mockery of Charles’ silence about Hugo Chávez, he rolled out of the futon at the crack of noon to post. Charles leaves no doubt as to his opinion of the destructive reign of Hugo Chávez – by refusing to comment.”

Charles is their own personal Obama, he cannot do or fail to do anything without getting them into a tizzy…

244 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:58:13am

re: #241 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Huh? I’m virulent anti-Saudi-ruling-family. What are you talking about?

Sorry - I wasn’t really placing you in the “Chavez is so evil” crowd. I am referring to the people who interpret any refusal to place Chavez in his own special category of worst human being evah as MOONBAT LEFTIST blindness to TERRIBLE EBIL DEEDS.

245 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:58:40am

re: #244 iossarian

Sorry - I wasn’t really placing you in the “Chavez is so evil” crowd. I am referring to the people who interpret any refusal to place Chavez in his own special category of worst human being evah as MOONBAT LEFTIST blindness to TERRIBLE EBIL DEEDS.

I have no idea who you’re talking about, then, because I haven’t seen anyone here do this.

Edit: And most people I can think of from other places who are “Dang that Chavez commie” are also “Fuck them Saudis”, too.

246 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 8:59:32am

re: #245 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #235 Killgore Trout

Chavistas!

247 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:01:34am

re: #246 iossarian


Whatever, dude, it’s Killgore trolling. And he’s probably fine with hating on the Saudis too.

It’s an article from HuffPo being mocked. HuffPo blows. The article blows. It’s treating him like a dead pop star. It’s a piece of crap.

248 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:03:43am

re: #240 iossarian

I would love to hear from the “Chavez is so evil” crowd whether any of the Saudi royal family has cancer, is expected to die soon, will inherit the throne, may implement democratic reform in the country, etc.

Or maybe they don’t give a shit because the Saudis are right-wing authoritarians and nominally our allies.

I totally hate the fucking Gang of Saud and I wish they would all DIAF but you don’t hear about them in the media, except when one of them buys a bunch of Greek Islands or Fox News or Texas.

249 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:05:26am

Place where I work just put out an urgent job opening for someone who speaks fluent Quebecois.

250 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:05:50am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

I totally hate the fucking Gang of Saud and I wish they would all DIAF but you don’t hear about them in the media, except when one of them buys a bunch of Greek Islands or Fox News or Texas.

When they go down, they are going to go down hard and draw the entire region into a vortex of instability, fundamentalism and chaos. And we will have two choices: go in with the military into the Mother of All Clusterfucks or try to learn to reduce our dependence on their resources.

251 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:05:55am

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

I totally hate the fucking Gang of Saud and I wish they would all DIAF but you don’t hear about them in the media, except when one of them buys a bunch of Greek Islands or Fox News or Texas.

The “human rights” excuse for invading Iraq was always pathetically funny given that we staged so much of the operation from Saudi Arabia.

252 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:07:25am

re: #251 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The “human rights” excuse for invading Iraq was always pathetically funny given that we staged so much of the operation from Saudi Arabia.

It was hilarious to read about how chaplains had to sneak in matzah and other Jewish ritual items.

253 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:07:38am

re: #247 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Whatever, dude, it’s Killgore trolling.

Well, exactly. Probably I should ignore it.

And he’s probably fine with hating on the Saudis too.

But that’s just it. Chavez’s decline has been a huge news story for ages, because he’s an anti-US bad guy villain. Meanwhile, who knows what’s going on in the Saudi Kingdom? Nobody knows, because that gets no press at all.

It plays into the whole aspect of US politics that people regularly propose highly radical right-wing policy (and pass it, e.g., in the case of school voucherization in Alabama) and slam anything vaguely left-wing on reflex, with the result that voting Democratic in 2013 means you’re supporting social liberalism and an economic policy somewhere between Nixon and Reagan.

It sucks, and it’s pretty clear that it’s a deliberate right-wing tactic, given the immediate pushback that occurs from people like KT whenever you suggest that, actually, Chavez was just a bad guy like lots of other bad guys that we are quite happy to do lots of oil-based business with.

254 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:08:34am

re: #252 Vicious Babushka

It was hilarious to read about how chaplains had to sneak in matzah and other Jewish ritual items.

Link.

256 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:12:33am

If they’re too big to prosecute, then they are too big to leave unregulated.

For fuck’s sake.

257 Lidane  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:14:21am

re: #251 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The “human rights” excuse for invading Iraq was always pathetically funny given that we staged so much of the operation from Saudi Arabia.

Seriously.

If they’d just been honest and upfront about wanitng to invade for oil and because the GOP chickenhawks felt emasculated because they hadn’t invaded Iraq in 1991, I could have respected that even if I still thought they were wrong.

The Iraq War was built on a foundation of total bullshit. The people who pushed for it should wear it like a goddamn albatross around their necks.

258 CuriousLurker  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:15:51am

re: #238 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I wrote to them. If the story is true, it’ll disappoint me if she honors her. The Weekly Standard connection makes me leery, but this could very well be in the 10% of crap they dig up that turns out to be true.

I agree with a commenter on the article who says it’s unfair to highlight FLOTUS’ role:

Paul Turner • 6 minutes ago

This is a legitimate story and I’m not complaining about its substance, but there does seem something unfair about highlighting Mrs. Obama’s role. It’s a state department issue; she just got tapped to do the honors. Putting her in the headline will attract nasty personal comments she has done nothing to deserve.

259 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:16:38am

re: #253 iossarian

I’m sorry, but when King Fahd died there was tons of stuff in the news about it, and he was definitely called out for being an authoritarian— and even for his role in Reagan’s guns-for-hostages-and-money-for-terrorists shit.

260 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:17:58am

re: #242 CuriousLurker

The whole thing is bullshit, imagine my surprise. //

According to the cached version of the JW page, the guy who tore the page is the one who made the claim that the Qur’an was thrown at him:

A Muslim won’t even touch the Qur’an unless s/he has made ritual ablutions.. It is always handled with respect and never set down on the ground, so throwing it at someone’s head would be out of the question.

OTOH I can totally see a bunch of Christians shoving their tracts at Muslims coming out of mosque and then complain about what litterbugs they are for throwing away the tracts.

261 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:19:32am

If you’re more “outraged” over drone strikes rather than “law abiding gun owners” murdering Americans with high capacity weapons…wellllll, you must be a teabag.

262 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:20:00am

I just love it when wingnuts eat their own.

263 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:20:48am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

If you’re more “outraged” over drone strikes rather than “law abiding gun owners” murdering Americans with high capacity weapons…wellllll, you must be a teabag.

I’m sure wingnuts would totally be in favor of drone attacks on illegal aliens as they attempt to cross the border.

264 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:21:26am

re: #263 Vicious Babushka

I’m sure wingnuts would totally be in favor of drone attacks on illegal aliens as they attempt to cross the border.

And Union Thugs.

265 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:22:33am

re: #261 Dr. Matt

If you’re more “outraged” over drone strikes rather than “law abiding gun owners” murdering Americans with high capacity weapons…wellllll, you must be a teabag.

They would not be outraged at drone strikes at all if a GOP president were ordering them.

266 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:22:54am

re: #259 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I don’t remember anything like the scale of coverage over Fahd than there has been for the past year+ over Chavez.

267 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:23:18am

re: #265 Sol Berdinowitz

They would not be outraged at drone strikes at all if a GOP president were ordering them.

Which is why Graham and McCain are telling Paul to shut up I’d venture.

268 blueraven  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:23:52am

re: #226 Gus 802

Boom.

More to come on this:

UPDATE: Veteran State Department reporter Nicole Gaouette just tweeted, “State officials tell me they’ve looked at 1000s of her tweets & believe her account was hacked.” Waiting for more information from State.

269 Dr. Matt  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:24:48am

re: #265 Sol Berdinowitz

They would not be outraged at drone strikes at all if a GOP president were ordering them.

InSean Vannity would have nightly recaps of each days’ drone strikes. Hell, remember his on-air orgasm the day Saddam was executed?! If dubyah was using drones, Vannity would be need gallons of KY to avoid chaffing from the ensuing wankfests.

270 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:26:48am
271 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:27:13am

re: #268 blueraven

More to come on this:

Yeah. We’ll see.

272 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:28:30am

Who would have thought that expansion of power wouldn’t be used?

273 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:28:39am

re: #266 iossarian

I don’t remember anything like the scale of coverage over Fahd than there has been for the past year+ over Chavez.

Okay then. There’s more coverage. I dunno. I haven’t measured it. And if Chavez had been a US ally rather than a critic, a lot of people would give him a much bigger break.

But the group of people that think Chavez was a fucker and that Fahd was a fucker is large, and it includes lots of people on the ‘right’ as well as the left.

274 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:30:00am

Same from 2012.

The NCCS textbook used for instruction is The Making of America, by the late NCCS founder and John Birch Society leader, W. Cleon Skousen. The textbook includes an essay on slavery that refers to black children as ”pickaninnies,” argues that the ”constant fear of slave rebellion” made life for Southern whites ”a nightmare,” and concludes that ”slave owners were the worst victims of the system.” TPP and NCCS have been working closely together. Longtime NCCS presenter Bill Norton is now on staff with TPP as the National Support Team Constitutional Coordinator.

275 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:31:52am

re: #274 Gus

Same from 2012.

The NCCS textbook used for instruction is The Making of America, by the late NCCS founder and John Birch Society leader, W. Cleon Skousen. The textbook includes an essay on slavery that refers to black children as “pickaninnies,” argues that the “constant fear of slave rebellion” made life for Southern whites “a nightmare,” and concludes that “slave owners were the worst victims of the system.” TPP and NCCS have been working closely together. Longtime NCCS presenter Bill Norton is now on staff with TPP as the National Support Team Constitutional Coordinator.

Yeah the poor slaveowners, having to deal with the potential consequences of angry people who they enslaved. Maybe if you didn’t want a slave revolt, don’t have slaves and don’t ruin families in the process. What a novel thought.

276 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:32:45am

re: #275 HappyWarrior

Yeah the poor slaveowners, having to deal with the potential consequences of angry people who they enslaved. Maybe if you didn’t want a slave revolt, don’t have slaves and don’t ruin families in the process. What a novel thought.

Somehow, they overcame their fear and got some raping done.

277 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:33:07am

re: #276 The Ghost of a Flea

Somehow, they overcame their fear and got some raping done.

They only did that because they were afraid!

278 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:33:33am

Skousen, Skousen. I know that name- think Beck and later Romney praised him.

279 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:33:33am

re: #274 Gus

Stuff like that makes me want to throw bricks through the window of whatever organization prints that. I can’t imagine how it makes black people feel.

280 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:36:45am

re: #273 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Okay then. There’s more coverage. I dunno. I haven’t measured it. And if Chavez had been a US ally rather than a critic, a lot of people would give him a much bigger break.

This is really what I’m saying.

But the group of people that think Chavez was a fucker and that Fahd was a fucker is large, and it includes lots of people on the ‘right’ as well as the left.

Also agreed, although I still believe that left-wing media in the US is less sympathetic to figures like Chavez (e.g., the New Yorker article on Caracas I mentioned recently) than right-wing media is to the Fahds and Pinochets of this world.

281 dragonath  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:40:45am

re: #274 Gus

Same from 2012.

The NCCS textbook used for instruction is The Making of America, by the late NCCS founder and John Birch Society leader, W. Cleon Skousen…

Reminds me of that radio show appearance that Romney made, plugging Skousen’s book. That’s one way to piss off vast demographics.

282 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:42:28am

re: #281 dragonath

Reminds me of that radio show appearance that Romney made, plugging Skousen’s book. That’s one way to piss off vast demographics.

I recall he said all that stuff thinking he wasn’t being recorded.

283 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:44:48am

re: #280 iossarian

Also agreed, although I still believe that left-wing media in the US is less sympathetic to figures like Chavez (e.g., the New Yorker article on Caracas I mentioned recently) than right-wing media is to the Fahds and Pinochets of this world.

That’s because the left-wing media has more integrity, to the extent it still really exists.

284 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:45:47am

Geller: CPAC Is ‘Enforcing the Sharia’

Incensed that she was not invited back to CPAC, the annual gathering of conservative activists, Pamela Geller took to The Janet Mefferd Show to once again claim that she is a victim of Sharia law. She accused CPAC of “enforcing the Sharia” and “blasphemy laws” as a result of “the influence of what can only be described as Muslim Brotherhood facilitators or operatives like Suhail Khan and Grover Norquist.”

285 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:45:56am

re: #281 dragonath

Reminds me of that radio show appearance that Romney made, plugging Skousen’s book. That’s one way to piss off vast demographics.

That didn’t nearly enough attention. Not nearly enough. Not after everyone flipping out about Reverend Wright. Skousen should be a hundred times more radioactive.

286 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:47:44am

Erik Rush: Obama and Allies ‘Merit Being Removed by Force of Arms’

WorldNetDaily columnist Erik Rush is out with another unhinged rant, this time arguing that new gun control legislation in Colorado is a “precursor” to the rise of civil unrest and an American version of the Gestapo. Rush maintains that the government seeks to pass new gun laws in order to deliberately spark a violent response, which will justify the use of Gestapo-like tactics and the criminalization of gun ownership.

He contends that Obama administration officials want to confiscate guns because “they know that they are already guilty of prosecutable crimes and are planning many more” and “already merit being removed by force of arms. They simply want to disarm Americans before a preponderance of us come to that realization and respond accordingly.”

287 dragonath  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:47:51am

re: #280 iossarian

Also agreed, although I still believe that left-wing media in the US is less sympathetic to figures like Chavez (e.g., the New Yorker article on Caracas I mentioned recently) than right-wing media is to the Fahds and Pinochets of this world.

I dunno, I find it clarifying. If right wing media is going to support assholes, the easier it is to tie them to asshole policies. I don’t think Chavez is going to leave much of a legacy, honestly.

288 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:47:53am

re: #284 Kragar (Antichrist )

Geller: CPAC Is ‘Enforcing the Sharia’

Haha. Everyone’s part of Shariah but Pam!

289 Lidane  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:55:23am

*headdesk*

My state, y’all:

Sen. Patrick Gives Texans an Odd Lesson on Civil Rights

Did you know that students attending private schools in Texas today face discrimination like African-American students did during the era of racial segregation? Sen. Dan Patrick, the Republican chairman of the Texas Senate Education Committee, seems to think so.

Sen. Patrick was speaking at Tuesday’s Education Committee hearing on Senate Bill 573, a measure that would permit private and religious schools as well as home-schoolers to compete with public schools in the state’s University Interscholastic League (UIL):

290 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:55:57am

Fischer: Obama Is a Tyrant Who Would Launch Drone Strikes Against the Tea Party

Yesterday, as Sen. Rand Paul was conducting a filibuster over the Obama administration’s assertion that there could possibly be hypothetical “extraordinary circumstance” under which it would be necessary for the President to authorize the use of military force or drone strike against US citizens within the United States, Bryan Fischer dedicated a segment of his program to praising Paul for his stance.

In Fischer’s view, Paul’s filibuster was important because President Obama is a tyrant who does not want to allow anyone who disagrees with him to express their views and so, “based on the way the administration is crafting their policy here about the use of drones, you’ve got to be concerned that something you might say at a Tea Party would be used as an excuse” to launched a drone strike against your house:

Wouldn’t a roving band of thugs be far cheaper?
/

291 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:57:57am

re: #290 Kragar (Antichrist )

Fischer: Obama Is a Tyrant Who Would Launch Drone Strikes Against the Tea Party

Wouldn’t a roving band of thugs be far cheaper?
/

I think Obama likes having the TP around. They’re a good reminder of how nutty his opposition is.

292 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:59:29am

Arkansas lawmaker: ‘We are not eliminating choice at all’ with 12-week abortion ban

Republican state Rep. Ann Clemmer on Wednesday explained that Arkansas lawmakers were “not eliminating choice at all” by overriding Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe’s veto of a 12-week abortion ban.

“I really believe that we are not eliminating choice at all,” Clemmer told KUAR. “We’re just saying after 12 weeks, the choice is over. You have a choice for the first 12 weeks. That’s almost three months. We’re talking the second trimester here — we’re talking about second trimester abortions.”

Benton also insisted to the public radio station that her bill, which is the most restrictive abortion ban in the nation, would not jeopardize women’s health.

293 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 9:59:38am

Obama is Hitler! I can’t wait for him to lave on January 20th 2017? Wait what?

294 Mattand  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:00:10am

re: #269 Dr. Matt

InSean Vannity would have nightly recaps of each days’ drone strikes. Hell, remember his on-air orgasm the day Saddam was executed?! If dubyah was using drones, Vannity would be need gallons of KY to avoid chaffing from the ensuing wankfests.

I basically stopped dealing with a guy I’ve known since 8th grade, and was best man at his wedding, over something similar.

I was hanging out with him and some of his friends at the start of Iraq War 2003. They started watching live coverage of the bombing of Baghdad on Fox News, like it was a fucking football game. Laughing the whole time while people are dying.

For me, that’s when I realized that there was something seriously wrong with a lot of conservatives.

295 Mattand  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:02:22am

re: #291 HappyWarrior

I think Obama likes having the TP around. They’re a good reminder of how nutty his opposition is.

The problem is most people don’t understand or care that the TP is driving GOP policy.

296 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:03:15am

re: #295 Mattand

The problem is most people don’t understand or care that the TP is driving GOP policy.

They’re the reason why the GOP doesn’t have a majority in the Senate.

297 Lidane  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:03:24am
298 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:03:51am

re: #284 Kragar (Antichrist )

Geller: CPAC Is ‘Enforcing the Sharia’

OFFS.

299 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:07:41am

re: #292 Kragar (Antichrist )

Arkansas lawmaker: ‘We are not eliminating choice at all’ with 12-week abortion ban

So, what fetal development milestone will they now use to push back the deadline farther? After all, we’re not eliminating choice!

///

300 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:09:18am

re: #299 Targetpractice

So, what fetal development milestone will they now use to push back the deadline farther? After all, we’re not eliminating choice!

///

Conception.

301 iossarian  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:10:49am

re: #300 Kragar (Antichrist )

Conception.

Wine and chocolates, man. Wine and chocolates.

Let nothing come between a man who has expended money on a date and his god-given right to procreate.

302 geoffm33  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:11:31am

re: #300 Kragar (Antichrist )

Conception.

And from there, we will fight for the twinkle in every mans eye!

303 Lidane  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:11:47am

From the Stating The Obvious files:

304 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:13:15am

RAND PAUL KNOWS WHO HIS FANS ARE

305 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:14:19am

What Rand Paul Really Thinks About Drones

The coverage of the filibuster fixated on what appeared to be Paul’s unwavering opposition to the use of unmanned vehicles, commonly called drones. As Paul made clear, though, he was only speaking in opposition to their use in a narrow sense, as part of a targeted killing ordered against a U.S. citizen on American soil.

While the White House has so far ignored calls to declassify the Department of Justice memos laying out the administration’s legal argument, it has explained that drone strikes could not Constitutionally be carried out against an individual who was not an imminent threat, effectively answering Paul’s limited question.

Paul’s opposition to the use of drones began with his concerns about their use for surveillance purposes against U.S. citizens without a warrant. To this effect, Paul introduced in 2012 what he called the “Preserving Freedom From Unwarranted Surveillance Act,” that would ”prohibit the use of drones by the government” without a warrant. The Pentagon has pushed back against the need for this new legislation, arguing that the laws that apply to manned aircraft — such as small airplanes and helicopters — would necessarily apply to unmanned drones as well.

That worry about drones is not universal for Paul, however, as he’s less concerned when it comes to enforcing border security via drone. Laying out his stance on comprehensive immigration reform, Paul published an op-ed in the Washington Times making clear that he felt that border security had to be addressed before a path to citizenship could be enacted:

Border security, including drones, satellite and physical barriers, vigilant deportation of criminals and increased patrols would begin immediately and would be assessed at the end of one year by an investigator general from the Government Accountability Office.

Though he did not make it clear, it can be assumed that Paul was referring to drones of the unarmed variety, rather than advocating launching Hellfire missiles at immigrants attempting to cross the border.

306 klys  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:15:30am

re: #201 Eclectic Cyborg

EA Suceeds in practically killing SimCity

As a gamer, there is nothing, NOTHING that irritates me more than crap like this.

WE DON’T WANT TO PLAY ALL OUR GAMES ONLINE!!

SimCity 2000 was great. I never played SimCity 4 though I was interested in 5 when I heard it was coming out this year. I suspected shenanigans like this but still hoped EA might actually get it right.

Sometimes it sucks being right.

It’s an awesome game when it works. Supposedly the Internet connection is not required for DRM but because the server is doing half the simulation stuff for you. I don’t know. I do know I haven’t been able to play much, and apparently coding things so that when their server is full it actually tells you ‘full’ on the server status window is too hard.

Or else they don’t really want to admit that maybe they should have had more than 5 servers at launch.

Really, it would have been surprising if EA had gotten this right.

307 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:19:30am

So sick of this stupid fucking meme which is a article of faith for wingnuts.

308 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:19:49am

“Yiddish Steel”? Az och un vay.

309 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:21:24am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

It also made many goods both faster to produce and a good bit cheaper. The dislocation was painful, but needful.

Blink. Blink.

Pain was needful? I’d better hope you never decide you need to hurt me, man. Cause obviously you see no reason to deny your needs.

310 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:21:44am

re: #308 Vicious Babushka

“Yiddish Steel”? Az och un vay.

Sounds like either a porn name or the punchline to an antisemitic joke.

311 Gus  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:22:25am
312 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:22:37am

re: #310 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Sounds like either a porn name or the punchline to an antisemitic joke.

Az och un vay=Yiddish for “In a pig’s eye”

313 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:22:55am

Rand Paul Praises Horrendous Supreme Court Decision, Would Let Employers Ruthlessly Exploit Workers

Lochner fabricated a so-called right to contract in order to strike down a New York law preventing bakery owners from overworking bakers, but its rationale has implications for any law intended to shield workers from exploitation. In essence, Lochner established that any law that limits any contract between an employer and an employee is constitutionally suspect. If desperation forces someone to agree to work 18 hours a day, seven days a week, for a dollar a day in a factory filled with toxic air, then courts must treat that law with heavy skepticism. Not every workplace law was struck down during the so-called Lochner Era — the justices of that era sometimes valued sexism more than they valued exploiting workers, for example — but Lochner placed any law benefiting workers on constitutionally weak footing. Needless to say, the “right to contract” it invented appears nowhere in the Constitution.

Nevertheless, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) took several minutes out of his lengthy talking filibuster yesterday to praise this “abomination” of a decision on the Senate floor:

You get to the Lochner case. The Lochner case is in 1905. The majority rules 5-4 that the right to make a contract is part of your due process. Someone cannot deprive you of determining how long your working hours are without due process. So President Obama’s a big opponent to this, but I would ask him — among the other things I’m asking him today — to rethink the Lochner case… . I think it’s a wonderful decision.

314 Political Atheist  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:24:26am

re: #305 Kragar (Antichrist )

Opposition to drones needs to be nuanced. I don’t think anyone will object to post disaster use to best deploy rescue and first responders. I suspect few will object to surveillance drones at the borders. We jusy can’t fall into the hyperbole as expressed by Huffpo a minute ago
Are we being accused of targeting children by this?

The reality of militants hiding among families goes unmentioned. No surprise there.

315 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:25:46am

re: #314 Political Atheist

Opposition to drones needs to be nuanced. I don’t think anyone will object to post disaster use to best deploy rescue and first responders. I suspect few will object to surveillance drones at the borders. We jusy can’t fall into the hyperbole as expressed by Huffpo a minute ago
Are we being accused of targeting children by this?

I think too much focus is being placed on the tools and not enough on the reasoning behind their use.

316 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:25:52am

Hizbollah Expresses Sorrow for President Chavez Death

Beirut, Mar 7 (Prensa Latina) The Lebanese Hizbollah (God”s Party) expressed its deep sorrow for the death of Bolivarian President Hugo Chavez and called him defender of the oppressed and persecuted of the world.

The free world, the oppressed and also us have lost a dear and loyal friend that devoted his live to defend the peoples. We can not forget the sincere support that the late president gave to Lebanon during the war (launched by Israel). The Arab and Islamic peoples can not forget his stance regarding the Palestinians’ rights, the communique said.

The text also said that the Lebanese resistance expressed its most sincere condolences to his family, to all the Venezuelan people and the comrades of the late great leader, a bastion faced with the imperialist policies of the United States.

Waiting for al-Qaeda to send their regards next.

317 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:26:15am

re: #306 klys

It’s an awesome game when it works. Supposedly the Internet connection is not required for DRM but because the server is doing half the simulation stuff for you. I don’t know. I do know I haven’t been able to play much, and apparently coding things so that when their server is full it actually tells you ‘full’ on the server status window is too hard.

Or else they don’t really want to admit that maybe they should have had more than 5 servers at launch.

Really, it would have been surprising if EA had gotten this right.

It just doesn’t surprise me anymore how much of a bastard child SimCity, the very start of the Sim dynasty, is being treated like now. EA’s dedicated to milking The Sims for all its worth and apparently these days its worth enough that they haven’t insisted on making it multiplayer besides token bits like being able to send messages or sims between friends.

318 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:28:14am

Woot Spring Training baseball tickets purchased.

319 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:30:43am

DERP

320 Bubblehead II  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:31:12am

Here is some good news.

Al Qaeda spokesman, Bin Laden’s son-in-law, held by U.S.

CNN) — Osama bin Laden’s son-in-law, who has served as an al Qaeda spokesman, was captured and has been brought to the United States, two administration officials and a federal law enforcement official said Thursday.

321 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:31:32am

Federal Judge Strikes Down Idaho’s 20-Week Abortion Ban

A federal judge has struck down Idaho’s “fetal pain” law, which outlaws abortion services after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on the scientifically-disputed theory that fetuses can feel pain at that point.

U.S. District Judge B. Lynn Winmill determined that Idaho’s fetal pain restriction places an “undue burden” on women seeking to have an abortion, which is a direct violation of women’s constitutional rights. The judge also criticized Iowa’s GOP-dominated legislature for allowing protections for fetuses to outweigh women’s right to choose. “The state may not rely on its interest in the potential life of the fetus to place a substantial obstacle to abortion before viability in women’s paths,” Winmill’s decision stated.

322 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:33:19am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

DERP

JCPenneys is already on board officially as company policy.

323 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:35:07am

re: #319 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Actually yes it will given that most people support same sex marriage. But go ahead Bryan and enjoy your chicken ass sandwiches at Chik-A-Filay and feel you’re sticking it to the Gay!

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:35:16am

re: #321 Kragar (Antichrist )

Federal Judge Strikes Down Idaho’s 20-Week Abortion Ban

At this point, I’m convinced all these bans either being passed or already in place are for no other purpose than to push SCOTUS into reconsidering RvW.

325 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:36:06am

re: #322 Kragar (Antichrist )

JCPenneys is already on board officially as company policy.

JPC is in trouble because of competition from other retailers such as Target. It has nothing to do with their stand on same-sex marriage. I used to shop at Penney’s all the time but I have not gone there in years, Target has the same merchandise cheaper and more convenient. Macy’s is more upscale. JCP is circling the drain.

326 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:38:00am

DERP if it was a REAL TYRANNY he’d be droned instead of droning on and on.

327 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:38:48am

Carney Affirms Limits To Government’s Authority To Use Drones Against U.S. Citizens

The U.S. government cannot use a drone to kill an American citizen who is not engaged in combat on American soil, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Thursday during his daily press briefing.

Carney said that Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) had on Thursday asked the administration if the president has the authority to use a mechanized drone against an American on U.S. soil who is not engaged in hostile activities. “The answer to that question is no,” Carney said. He also quoted a letter from Attorney General Eric Holder which gave the same answer.

Which is what I stated all along, and what the Tea Baggers will continue to bitch about no matter what answer they get.

328 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:38:58am

Something funny about lauding a guy who has said with a straight face that he would have opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as an opponent of tyranny. Yeah that will show em.

329 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:39:21am

re: #324 Targetpractice

At this point, I’m convinced all these bans either being passed or already in place are for no other purpose than to push SCOTUS into reconsidering RvW.

Pretty much.

330 Lidane  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:39:36am

re: #326 Vicious Babushka

DERP if it was a REAL TYRANNY he’d be droned instead of droning on and on.

These nitwits have no idea what living under real tyranny means.

Unless you emigrated here to the States from a tyrannical regime, no American truly understands the concept.

331 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:39:54am

Somewhere Ben Carson is saying “Hey! Where’d everybody go?”

332 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:40:30am

re: #331 Vicious Babushka

Somewhere Ben Carson is saying “Hey! Where’d everybody go?”

15 minutes flies by so fast.

333 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:41:35am

Hey Bryan:

Accepting gay marriage or otherwise legalizing gay marriage does not diminish marriage in the slightest.

It doesn’t increase, let alone stop, those who are married from engaging in adultery, fornicating out of holy matrimony, domestic assaults, or seeking divorce for same. Those are far more damaging to the institution of marriage than allowing people who love each other from getting married. No one is forcing a church to accept these marriages or demanding that church officials officiate either. It’s a civil function.

The Ghey wont change any of that. But I do know that your brethren are looking to eliminate no-fault divorce, seeing that as a root of all that’s wrong with the institution of marriage, instead of realizing that no-fault divorce is a cost-effective way of dealing with those failed relationships.

334 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:42:22am

re: #330 Lidane

These nitwits have no idea what living under real tyranny means.

Unless you emigrated here to the States from a tyrannical regime, no American truly understands the concept.

No kidding. There’s such a lack of perspective by many Americans on what tyranny and totalitarianism is. You don’t know it until you actually live it.

335 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:43:17am

HILLARY IS SAYING YES! YES! DO IT! NOMINATE RAND PAUL!!!

336 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:43:30am

re: #333 lawhawk

Hey Bryan:

Accepting gay marriage or otherwise legalizing gay marriage does not diminish marriage in the slightest.

It doesn’t increase, let alone stop, those who are married from engaging in adultery, fornicating out of holy matrimony, domestic assaults, or seeking divorce for same. Those are far more damaging to the institution of marriage than allowing people who love each other from getting married. No one is forcing a church to accept these marriages or demanding that church officials officiate either. It’s a civil function.

The Ghey wont change any of that. But I do know that your brethren are looking to eliminate no-fault divorce, seeing that as a root of all that’s wrong with the institution of marriage, instead of realizing that no-fault divorce is a cost-effective way of dealing with those failed relationships.

Why are you trying to make Baby Jesus cry?
/

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:43:54am

re: #333 lawhawk

You can argue that intil you are blue in the face: it will not change their conviction that it is our duty to reflect (their interpretation of) God’s Divine law in our Civil Law or we will fall out of favor with The Lord and risk incuring his wrath.

338 HappyWarrior  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:44:02am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

HILLARY IS SAYING YES! YES! DO IT! NOMINATE RAND PAUL!!!

Wait runs for president again? Stupid idiots don’t even know who they’re lauding.

339 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:44:58am

re: #301 iossarian

Wine and chocolates, man. Wine and chocolates.

Let nothing come between a man who has expended money on a date and his god-given right to procreate.

Saying “no” will be illegal because it kills the twinkle in a man’s eye.

340 wrenchwench  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:45:39am

re: #302 geoffm33

And from there, we will fight for the twinkle in every mans eye!

Now I read yours….

341 Kragar (Antichrist )  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:45:50am

The basic tenet of social conservatism: The soul numbing dread that someone, somewhere, is free to do something you disagree with.

342 lawhawk  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:47:49am

re: #335 Vicious Babushka

Wait. Rand Paul didn’t run for President before. That was his nutty dad Ron. I get the confusion, but this supposedly politically knowledgeable person gets basic facts confused.

343 Varek Raith  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 10:48:35am

re: #303 Lidane

From the Stating The Obvious files:

Lol.

344 Feline Fearless Leader  Thu, Mar 7, 2013 12:19:10pm

re: #303 Lidane

From the Stating The Obvious files:

Yes. But you have to realize that to a bunch of people out there “ballistic” means something like this:

Image: ball-n-stick.jpg

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