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Fact Checking: ‘Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks’

Conspiracy mongers are still spreading a lie about DHS “tanks”
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This week, conspiracy hounds of the internet were set alight by a rumor that President Obama has ordered “2,700 Light-Armored Tanks” for the Department of Homeland Security. Leading the charge was Jim Hoft who runs the blog Gateway Pundit:

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile

This is getting a little creepy.

According to one estimate, since last year the Department of Homeland Security has stockpiled more than 1.6 billion bullets, mainly .40 caliber and 9mm.

DHS also purchased 2,700 Mine Resistant Armor Protected Vehicles (MRAP).

Modern Survival Blog reported:

The Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States.

This in turn was linked by Drudge Report which set this internet hoax in motion.

Here are the facts…

An MRAP is not a light-armored tank but instead an “armored fighting vehicle” whose acronym stands for Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected. You will notice too that someone has edited the Wiki page including today’s hoax:

In September 2012, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security (through the U.S. Army Forces Command) recently retrofitted 2,717 of these ‘Mine Resistant Protected’ vehicles for service on the streets of the United States. The Department of Homeland Security has used MRAPs in Rapid Response Teams in assisting people effected by natural disasters such as Hurricanes.

Now, let’s go back and look at the figure cited in today’s hoax or 2,717 MRAPs. It seems like a high figure already for DHS. Yes, DHS used armored vehicles, but at this time I have not located the exact amount and type of armored vehicles in their fleet. Where is that figure from is the important question and I able to locate a contract for 2,717 MRAP for the United States Navy:

Defense.gov: Contracts for Monday, January 09, 2012
No. 015-12
CONTRACT: NAVY

Navistar Defense, L.L.C., Warrenville, Ill., is being awarded an $879,923,195 firm-fixed-priced delivery order 0023 under previously awarded contract (M67854-07-D-5032) for the procurement of 2,717 units of rolling chassis; 10 engineering change proposals; and 25 contract data requirements lists, for MaxxPro Mine Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles. Work will be performed in West Point, Miss., and is expected to be completed by the end of October 2013. Procurement funds in the amount of $879,923,195 will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The original contract was competitively procured. The Marine Corps Systems Command, Quantico, Va., is the contracting activity.

The conclusion that the 2,717 Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected vehicles are for the Department of Homeland Security is false. Instead, they are part of a contract award to the US Navy and will be subsequently used by the United States Marine Corps.

Previous contract M67854-07-D-5032 can be found here and modifications to same contract can found here.

A search for M67854-07-D-5032 at the Federal Procurement Data System reveals that all contract under this number are for the United States Navy.

Finally, I’ll leave the reader to one more source here:

Navistar lands $880 million defense contract

Lisle-based Navistar Defense LLC landed an $880 million order from the U.S. Marine Corps to upgrade more than 2,700 mine resistant ambush protected vehicles, the company announced Tuesday.

The Navistar International Corp. subsidiary will retrofit the MaxxPro vehicles with new rolling chassis to improve their off-road capability.

“As Defense budgets are being reduced, it is imperative that we continue to develop economical solutions that repurpose assets while also working to ensure warfighters have access to emerging technologies and capabilities,” Navistar Defense President Archie Massicotte said in a statement. “Our rolling chassis solution allows us to leverage our unique vehicle design and replace an older chassis with a new, highly mobile independent suspension chassis.”

In summary, the 2,700 vehicles are not for DHS but the USMC by way of the US Navy.

Conclusion?

Pants on fire.

Update 1: Business Insider confirms this report and DHS is only in possession of 16 MRAP and the USMC getting the 2,717:

An earlier version of this post included a figure of over 2,700 vehicles, as cited from the original RT link. This figure likely comes from a press release from Navistar Defense, mentioning delivery of 2,717 to the U.S. Marine Corps. A DHS Spokesman confirmed with Business Insider that they have only 16 nationwide.

Update 2: Foreign Policy updates their story linking with Business Insider.

As one would expect, tales of DHS buying 2,700 MRAPs from the Army (in reality, DHS only has 16, a fleet that it started building around 2008) inflamed the government conspiracy corners of the blogosphere. Just do a quick Google search of the term DHS MRAP and you can see for yourself.

Update 3: Snopes confirms that DHS will not be receiving 2,700 tanks and has determined this to be FALSE.

A March 2013 claim that the Department of Homeland Security had “purchased 2,700 tanks” for use in the U.S. was based on a year-old (i.e., March 2012) announcement that the DHS had engaged a contractor to install new chassis on a number of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles that were being returned from deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan…

Update 4: Navistar Press Release.

LISLE, Ill., March 15, 2012 /PRNewswire/ — Navistar Defense, LLC received an award to conduct the installation work associated with its January order to upgrade 2,717 International® MaxxPro® Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles with a new vehicle chassis. The $21 million contract from the U.S. Army Contracting Command is just one of Navistar’s many reset offerings aimed at revitalizing existing defense assets for future missions.

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121 comments

1 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:04:05pm
Defense.gov: Contracts for Monday, January 09, 2012

The date on the awarding of the contract also explains the “WHY IS OBAMA DOING THIS DURING A SEQUESTER!?!?” nonsense on twitter. He isn’t; this was done last year and is just part of normal government spending on the military.

The reason it became an issue now is that Jim Hoft spouted his nonsense about it this week, and nothing to do with anything Obama did recently.

2 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:13:57pm

Here’s the Navistar press release that explains exactly what they’re doing with these MRAPs:

“We are focused on increasing the capabilities of our existing fleet with minimal impact to defense funding,” said Archie Massicotte , president, Navistar Defense. “The vehicle reset line we established for this installation work can also be utilized to restore older vehicles to like-new condition. Therefore, we are poised and ready to reset vehicles returning from deployment – either here at our facility or overseas.”

The installation contract retrofits vintage MaxxPro vehicles with a new rolling chassis. This chassis enhancement includes the addition of the DXM™ independent suspension, a MaxxForce® 9.3 engine, 570 amp alternator and driveline, while leaving a residual chassis with a beam axle that can be reused. The retrofits will be conducted in West Point, Miss., and work is expected to be completed by the end of May 2012.

“Keeping constricting budgets in mind, we continue to anticipate tomorrow’s needs and develop new solutions to use existing assets,” said Massicotte. “In addition to being ready for reset work, we already have options available that reuse the leftover chassis from this body-swap.”

Should the government be interested in reusing its remaining vehicle chassis, Navistar can add an armored cab to the chassis or return the vehicle to a commercial flatbed truck by adding a standard commercial cab for roughly a third of the cost of a new vehicle. Additional variants that can be produced on this building-block model include a recovery vehicle and a utility truck with an integrated capability for exportable power generation.

They swapped out the chassis for a new one, for use in Afghanistan. It’s definitely nothing sinister.

3 Charles Johnson  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:57:48pm

re: #1 Shvaughn

The date on the awarding of the contract also explains the “WHY IS OBAMA DOING THIS DURING A SEQUESTER!?!?” nonsense on twitter. He isn’t; this was done last year and is just part of normal government spending on the military.

The reason it became an issue now is that Jim Hoft spouted his nonsense about it this week, and nothing to do with anything Obama did recently.

The real trigger was the Drudge link.

4 Shvaughn  Mon, Mar 4, 2013 5:59:25pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

The real trigger was the Drudge link.

True. But Drudge picked up on Hoft for whatever crazy reason.

5 Why I Never!  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 4:39:03am

Great page Gus, thanks for posting.

6 ringwraith36  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 7:45:06am

Great job on this post I can tell it took a lot of work. Does anyone know why the DHL seal, “Police/Rescue”, and “Police” are painted on the vehicle? Seems odd if it’s going to be used by the Marine Corps

7 ringwraith36  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 7:59:14am

I think I have it. The Marine Corps ordered the 2700 MRAPS but the DHS does have MRAPS as well for border drug busts etc. So the above picture is of a DHS vehicle. This looks pretty false but I can’t say that its ever a bad idea to be extra suspicious of the govt. If I have a choice between too suspicious and not suspicious enough I will take too suspicious. I am sure the German people wish they had been on that side of the spectrum.

Here is another post regarding the DHS MRAPS:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

8 TANSTAAFLusa  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 12:35:09pm

This video has DHS personnel standing next to a MRAPS vehicle with Department of Homeland Security painted on the door and then goes on to explain that it is to be used for serving high risk warrants. Sounds like your info is incorrect or incomplete LGF!

Also, different departments purchase equipment through other departments quite often, especially military grade arms and vehicles for law enforcement.

And don’t discredit the info because some people believe in conspiracies. This looks to me like a very real threat - the increased militarization of Domestic Law enforcement (not to take over the country but) to enjoy new toys to play with (ie to make busts for non-violent drug offenses!)

9 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 3:31:01pm

re: #8 TANSTAAFLusa

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This video has DHS personnel standing next to a MRAPS vehicle with Department of Homeland Security painted on the door and then goes on to explain that it is to be used for serving high risk warrants. Sounds like your info is incorrect or incomplete LGF!

Also, different departments purchase equipment through other departments quite often, especially military grade arms and vehicles for law enforcement.

And don’t discredit the info because some people believe in conspiracies. This looks to me like a very real threat - the increased militarization of Domestic Law enforcement (not to take over the country but) to enjoy new toys to play with (ie to make busts for non-violent drug offenses!)

DHS told Business Insider yesterday that they have 16 MRAPs.

Update: An earlier version of this post included a figure of over 2,700 vehicles, as cited from the original RT link. This figure likely comes from a press release from Navistar Defense, mentioning delivery of 2,717 to the U.S. Marine Corps. A DHS Spokesman confirmed with Business Insider that they have only 16 nationwide.

The 2,717 MRAPs is a Navy contract for the USMC.

End Of. Story.

10 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 4:25:36pm

re: #7 ringwraith36

re: #8 TANSTAAFLusa

Greetings, hatchlings.

11 wrenchwench  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 4:26:24pm
And don’t discredit the info because some people believe in conspiracies.

That could rotate.

12 Gus  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 7:58:29pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

That could rotate.

This conspiracy theory of 2,700 MRAPs for DHS started in early 2012. Same exact figures. People were trying to make it out as though the DHS was keeping this a secret. They currently have a total of 16 MRAPs and that’s for ICE. They’re never been kept a secret. Well, here we are in early 2013 and it starts all over again. Same stupid conspiracy theory. Now it appears to be morphing into something about the 2,717 not really being for the Navy but eventually will go to DHS. That’s simply bullshit. The 2,717 are slated for duty if you will. Some of those may eventually end up with DHS/ICE. But I find it hard to imagine or even think why DHS/ICE would even want that many in the first place.

13 Decatur Deb  Tue, Mar 5, 2013 8:01:12pm

re: #12 Gus

…snip But I find it hard to imagine or even think why DHS/ICE would even want that many in the first place.

Thats only two MRAPS per FEMA camp.

14 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:59:42am

“Some of those may eventually end up with DHS/ICE.”
Exactly! And I don’t care how many they want or actually end up with, they don’t need ANY!

We see again and again that the more military equipment local law enforcement gets its hands on, the more they feel the need to justify it by using it. That is why you have SWAT raids for MJ dealers, flashbang grenades used in house where little kids are sleeping, M16’s in the hands of police officers for simple warrant servicing, and tanks (or armored vehicles) used to knock over shacks where suspected undocumented workers are hiding (See Arpairo, Joe).

“These increasingly frequent raids, 40,000 per year by one estimate, are needlessly subjecting nonviolent drug offenders, bystanders, and wrongly targeted civilians to the terror of having their homes invaded while they’re sleeping, usually by teams of heavily armed paramilitary units dressed not as police officers but as soldiers. These raids bring unnecessary violence and provocation to nonviolent drug offenders, many of whom were guilty of only misdemeanors. The raids terrorize innocents when police mistakenly target the wrong residence. And they have resulted in dozens of needless deaths and injuries, not only of drug offenders, but also of police officers, children, bystanders, and innocent suspects.”

— Radley Blako

[Link: www.cato.org…]

The facts are these:
1 - DHS does already has these things
2 - They are getting more
3 - Because they have them, they will use them

(Eventhough the 2700 number is exaggerated and it is intimated by kooks that they are to be used to “take over” the US, it doesn’t change the fact that #1-3 are true!)

Pointing to right-wing survivalist kooks who make this claim as your reason to dismiss is setting up a straw-man for the actual discussion we NEED TO BE HAVING: Domestic law enforcement doesn’t need these things (whether it is 27, 2700, or 27,000) and we can’t afford them so why are they buying them??

15 Gus  Wed, Mar 6, 2013 7:28:43pm

re: #14 TANSTAAFLusa

Equipment does not make law. Police have to follow the law as well. Like all organization, it’s dotted with many bad apples or for that matter incompetence and poor training. You could get rid of all the MRAP, SWAT team, M-16 or whatever but cops will still be able to surround your house locked and loaded and with sometimes a twitchy finger.

Police used to counterattack protesters on horseback with billy clubs in hand and bash peoples head in. In fact this was a very common practice for a very long time. People used to “accidentally slip and fall” and die in custody. With a simple club made of wood.

So you’re worried about MRAP? Why not worry about the private prison system? The over crowded jails, mandatory sentencing, archaic drug laws, school to jail pipeline.

All of these white people worried about big evil government while young black men grow up being harassed by your everyday cop on the beat. Instead of thinking about all those things it’s always the hair on fire mentality of an impending genocide carried out by DHS or in this case, ICE.

16 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:21:53am

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

17 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:24:33am

So what’s the smear about FLOTUS today?
I know…I don’t really want to know.

18 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:25:08am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

and yet I bet good money that “Wannabe” thinks Obama and liberals are like Nazis all the while well she engages in dehumanization.

19 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:25:22am

re: #16 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

OK, but enough from the “Christian values”, “pro-life” bloggers….

20 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:25:35am

re: #17 Bulworth

So what’s the smear about FLOTUS today?
I know…I don’t really want to know.

Crap, it’s only 1:25 and there’s already one?

21 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:26:24am

re: #17 Bulworth

So what’s the smear about FLOTUS today?
I know…I don’t really want to know.

She’s arranging for planters to be put on top of the 2,700 DHS armored tanks that will hold broccoli plants and other vegetables growing there to disguise the turret-mounted drone launcher/controllers the vehicles will be modified to carry.
///

22 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:26:52am

re: #17 Bulworth

So what’s the smear about FLOTUS today?
I know…I don’t really want to know.

SPENDING MOAR TAXPAYER MONNY ON VACATION 7 GUNZ 4 SEEKRIT SERVICE WHILE ARE KIDS CANT HAZ GUNZ!!111!!!!

23 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:27:07am

As you can see the derp storm continues. Google 2,700 DHS tanks in the past 24 hours. Some people seem to think the Navy contract is a ploy and that eventually they’ll get the 2,717 “tanks.” Others are finally getting the message. Jim “Accuracy in Media” Hoft has not updated or corrected anything.

24 Mattand  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:27:15am

re: #7 ringwraith36

I am sure the German people wish they had been on that side of the spectrum.

If you want to invoke Godwin’s Law and mention Hitler, grow a spine and just do it.

re: #14 TANSTAAFLusa

You’re more well-written than most, but you’re striking me as one of those “patriots” who really wants another Waco or Ruby Ridge to fulfill your “The Gubmint out to git me” fantasies.

Being skepictal of government is not the same thing as being absurdly paranoid of it. And I’m willing to bet you were fine with the feds up until January 2009.

25 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:28:17am

re: #7 ringwraith36

I am sure the German people wish they had been on that side of the spectrum.

DERP

26 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:29:26am

re: #14 TANSTAAFLusa

— Radley Blako

Radley Blako is a nut. So is Radley Balko.

27 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:30:25am

The 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for DHS is also BS.

28 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:30:41am

re: #14 TANSTAAFLusa

DHS does already has these things

So are you, perhaps.

29 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:31:56am

re: #25 Vicious Babushka

I’ll be so glad when Jeb Bush is prezident then we can stop being suspicious of government becuz all such suspicion will be unpatriotic and fifth column subversion. //

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:31:57am

Thousands of wingnuts really really want to believe that the government is going to slaughter them with tanks.

They’re children.

31 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:32:10am

re: #23 Gus

As you can see the derp storm continues. Google 2,700 DHS tanks in the past 24 hours. Some people seem to think the Navy contract is a ploy and that eventually they’ll get the 2,717 “tanks.” Others are finally getting the message. Jim “Accuracy in Media” Hoft has not updated or corrected anything.

So it’s not just deja vu, here.

32 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:32:16am

re: #23 Gus

From “Liberty News Forum,” one of the links in that search:
Obama is the one to blame making ammunition scarce, not the hundreds of thousands of crazed hoarders snapping it up.

Don’t you people understand that the messiah CARES. While no matter how many “mistakes” he may make, nor how much of our money is wasted in pursuit of his promised utopia, the welfare of the citizenry is all that matters to the big “O”.
He has made it perfectly clear on many occasions that anyone who opposes him is a racist, or just doesn’t understand all that he is trying to accomplish. ( white guilt got him elected twice, and white guilt is keeping him unimpeded……….it’s GODS will )
And while were on the subject lets put to rest all those nasty rumors concerning his latest “tactical” expenditure. Namely the acquistion of the 2700 light tanks, and purchase of 2.2 billion in ammunition ( more taxpayer money wisely spent ). While rumors persist that the above is at the ready, to be used upon the citizenry to patrol the streets of our cities. After his “master plan ” to eliminate all private ownership of firearms, meets with open rebellion among the citizenry.
Further insuring his goal by ostensibly making Ammo as scarce as realisticly possible, to easily quell the citizens revolt, much as Hitler did in the mid 30’s.
So you see theres nothing to be concerned about. Just sit back and relax and let it all come to fold. As the greatest Nation in the history of the world becomes a quasi socialist remnant of it’s former self. While the good news is that no one has to bear the burden of racial discrimination.

33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:33:09am

Check out the Twitter search for “2700 tanks.” They haven’t even slowed down.

[Link: twitter.com…]

34 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:33:27am

re: #27 Gus

The 1.6 billion rounds of ammo for DHS is also BS.

Wait. This appears to be true. Anyway, it’s used for training and it’s over a period of 5 years. You can go through a lot of ammo for training.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:33:52am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Thousands of wingnuts really really want to believe that the government is going to slaughter them with tanks.

They’re children.

As often said, they have a martyr complex. They really do think that their plight (having to live with a president that they don’t like) is close to what the victims of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union went through. Of course, if they ever told actual Holocaust survivors or survivors of the Gulags that their plight was like that, they’d probably get laughed at right after a deep stare.

36 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:34:13am

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Thousands of wingnuts really really want to believe that the government is going to slaughter them with tanks.

They’re children.

And thousands moar believe the government is going to slaughter them with DRONES.

THAT WHY WE NEEDS MOAR GUNZ!!1111!!!

37 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:34:29am

re: #7 ringwraith36

You don’t have to go Godwin to explain that you support a healthy skepticism of government.

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:34:41am

re: #34 Gus

Wait. This appears to be true. Anyway, it’s used for training and it’s over a period of 5 years. You can go through a lot of ammo for training.

And it’s for a bunch of government agencies, not just DHS. It’s a bulk purchase to save money over five years.

39 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:34:51am

re: #33 Charles Johnson

Check out the Twitter search for “2700 tanks.” They haven’t even slowed down.

[Link: twitter.com…]

There’s a real danger and threat here that this latest Derp-a-palooza could distract the nation from solving the Benghazi-gate conspiracy treason murder scheme. //

40 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:35:04am

WHAT RIGHT WING RACISM?

41 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:35:42am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And it’s for a bunch of government agencies, not just DHS. It’s a bulk purchase to save money over five years.

Ah, OK. DHS also includes ICE. I thought these knuckleheads wanted to be tough on border enforcement?

42 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:36:09am

re: #40 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT WING RACISM?

Followers 6,754

43 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:36:34am

Hey Pin Heads!!!

44 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:37:00am

re: #42 Gus

Followers 6,754

Not a parody account either. What is up with the naked chick avatar? I have seen other Twitter accounts using that same image.

45 Mattand  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:37:10am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And it’s for a bunch of government agencies, not just DHS. It’s a bulk purchase to save money over five years.

LOL, you’d think that these nutjobs would be happy that:

A) the government is supporting the firearms industry

B) the government is bulk purchasing to save tax payer money.

Again, I ask the conservatives out there: you really want to be in the same political party as these whack jobs?

46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:37:12am

All it takes is one false rumor and they all run with it. Propaganda folks.

47 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:37:47am

Fear of the black sheriff.

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:38:20am

re: #47 jaunte

Fear of the black sheriff.

Just wait till Rock Ridge gets its first black and woman sheriff. Or heaven forbid lesbian and non Christian.//

49 Mattand  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:39:41am

re: #47 jaunte

Fear of the black sheriff.

I so hope Obama has another speaking engagement before the GOP, like he did a few years ago, and opens with “Where the white women at?”

50 Political Atheist  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:39:50am

re: #38 Charles Johnson

And it’s for a bunch of government agencies, not just DHS. It’s a bulk purchase to save money over five years.

And something of a jobs stabilizer for the ammunition suppliers & material chain. The wars are winding down, public demand tends to roller coaster and the ammo makers loading capacity are key strategic assets. So there is a little jobs saving/pork (depending on point of view) factor. Not being critical, it’s just the pragmatics.

51 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:40:51am

re: #41 Gus

I can’t wait to see the headlines and smears if PBO starts building a wall on the Mexican border, like the wingnuts say they want.

Obummer making U.S. a prison!!

NoBama killing the economy by restricting labor!!

53 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:42:53am

re: #51 Bulworth

I can’t wait to see the headlines and smears if PBO starts building a wall on the Mexican border, like the wingnuts say they want.

You should start a rumor that Obama has the CDC doing research on GPS-coordinate using laser inserts for alligators to be used for border patrol work.
:P

54 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:43:51am

re: #51 Bulworth

I can’t wait to see the headlines and smears if PBO starts building a wall on the Mexican border, like the wingnuts say they want.

Yep. They’ve already started saying that the fence would be used to keep Americans in — i.e. a prison. I think Ron Paul has already said that.

55 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:43:53am

re: #52 Gus

Yeah I was pretty sure this “ammo” story had come up before. The wingnut brigade is recycling already.

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:45:24am

re: #54 Gus

Yep. They’ve already started saying that the fence would be used to keep Americans in — i.e. a prison. I think Ron Paul has already said that.

You know, I always thought if Ron Paul were to ever get any real power, he’d be more authoritarian than Bush or Obama ever would be. I know that may sound a little silly but given Ron Paul’s cult of personality, it really wouldn’t shock me and given that he’s shown a willingness to coddle white supremacists.

57 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:45:44am
59 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:46:53am

OBAMAZ DRONEZ WILL KILL ALL TRUE AMERICANS JUST 4 KEEPIN THERE 2ND AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!!111!!!!TY


60 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:46:57am

re: #45 Mattand

Yeah, this is the real rub. I thought the wingnuts loved them some law enforcement/military action.

PBO should issue an announcement that after all the fuss, the administration has canceled its orders for the 2700 tanks and gazillion bullet supply of ammo.

Wingnuts will explode that PBO is soft on crime, giving in to illegals, and weakening the nation’s defense against drug gangs, etc. //

61 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:47:15am

Good grief this is pathetic. These are the same people pretty much who told me I Was unpatriotic for questioning the wisdom of the Iraq War. Now we have a Democratic president and they’re paranoid about the government killing them with a drone or tank? Really, there’s a lot of legitimate things to gripe about. But this? this!

62 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:48:18am

re: #60 Bulworth

Yeah, this is the real rub. I thought the wingnuts loved them some law enforcement/military action.

PBO should issue an announcement that after all the fuss, the administration has canceled its orders for the 2700 tanks and gazillion bullet supply of ammo.

Wingnuts will explode that PBO is soft on crime, giving in to illegals, and weakening the nation’s defense against drug gangs, etc. //

Their problem is with who’s in charge. As soon as we get a Republican president, the right will probably actually try to expand the power of the executive especially if there’s a Dem majority in Congress.

63 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:48:25am

re: #59 Vicious Babushka

And the drones can identify TGDN tweeters….

64 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:49:06am

re: #63 Bulworth

And the drones can identify TGDN tweeters….

The FBI is already totally tracking their Tweets, but they keep on Tweeting, Insane.

65 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:49:24am

I hear the drones can tell your voting pattern and the drones will be targeting every single person who voted for Mitt Romney and John McCain.//

66 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:50:47am

LGF IS A PSYOPS OPERATION RUN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!

67 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:51:20am

I guess Rand Paul will start a filibuster until the administration proves DHS doesn’t have 2700 tanks. //

68 victor27  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:51:39am

re: #44 Vicious Babushka

It’s from a painting called “The Rape of Lady Liberty” by Patrick Anthony Pierson.

Link: [Link: fineartamerica.com…]

(Thanks to the Firefox plugin called Tineye - it does reverse image searches)

69 iossarian  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:52:13am

re: #66 Gus

LGF IS A PSYOPS OPERATION RUN BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!

Don’t tell anyone, but I’m J. Edgar Hoover, back from the dead and still in drag.

70 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:54:05am

You know if Obama was this authoritarian, he would have gotten rid of Boehner and pretty much everyone in the GOP caucus. He would have gotten rid of the judges who opposed him on ACA and other issues. I mean damn it. If you want to have an intellectual conversation about Obama’s flaws as a leader. Have at it but don’t insult me and yourself by claiming he’s using drones and tanks to kill dissidents.

71 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:55:14am

re: #70 FriendsofHummus

The complete lack of evidence is highly suspicious.

72 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:56:19am

re: #70 FriendsofHummus

You know if Obama was this authoritarian, he would have gotten rid of Boehner and pretty much everyone in the GOP caucus. He would have gotten rid of the judges who opposed him on ACA and other issues. I mean damn it. If you want to have an intellectual conversation about Obama’s flaws as a leader. Have at it but don’t insult me and yourself by claiming he’s using drones and tanks to kill dissidents.

He’s not using drones and tanks, yet. But he is using cancer. The drones and tanks are being saved for his third term after he has weakened America and finished taking Beck and Limbaugh off the air.

73 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:00:23am

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

What’s hilarious is Glenn Beck has been “warning” about Obama’s “tyranny” since 2009 and what do ya know. Obama still had to fight for re-election, doesn’t get everything he wants, his party lost their majority in the House, etc. Yet he keeps on still singing this tune. These right wing idiots shouldn’t be mad at Obama. They should be mad at con artists like Beck who take advantage of their stupidity.

74 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:00:58am

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

[x] Obama Phone
[x] Obama Death Panels
[x] Obama Drones
[x] Obama Tanks
[x] Obama FEMA Camps
[x] Obama Cancer Weapons
[x] Obama Viruses

75 A Mom Anon  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:01:31am

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

Really, if Obama has this horrible diabolical (mwahahaha) plot to enslave and then kill us all why the hell is Fox news still on my TV? Why aren’t Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck and the rest of the media in a gulag by now? Shouldn’t I be turning on my radio and teevee now and seeing all kinds of far left programming?

I’m truly disappointed. Obama is the worst Nazi Socialist Dictator EVAR. I demand a refund.

76 blueraven  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:01:45am

re: #72 Feline Fearless Leader

And dont forget abut the Death Panels and FEMA camps. That should help get rid of a lot of those pesky Patriots.

77 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:02:13am

re: #73 FriendsofHummus

What’s hilarious is Glenn Beck has been “warning” about Obama’s “tyranny” since 2009 and what do ya know. Obama still had to fight for re-election, doesn’t get everything he wants, his party lost their majority in the House, etc. Yet he keeps on still singing this tune. These right wing idiots shouldn’t be mad at Obama. They should be mad at con artists like Beck who take advantage of their stupidity.

But how many people do you know that once they’ve paid so far into the idiocy would *never* be willing to recant due to the embarrassment it would cause?

78 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:02:54am

re: #77 Feline Fearless Leader

But how many people do you know that once they’ve paid so far into the idiocy would *never* be willing to recant due to the embarrassment it would cause?

Yeah this is true. For some people, admitting they were wrong is just about the worst thing they can do.

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:03:50am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

Really, if Obama has this horrible diabolical (mwahahaha) plot to enslave and then kill us all why the hell is Fox news still on my TV? Why aren’t Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck and the rest of the media in a gulag by now? Shouldn’t I be turning on my radio and teevee now and seeing all kinds of far left programming?

I’m truly disappointed. Obama is the worst Nazi Socialist Dictator EVAR. I demand a refund.

Hannity should do a show where he claims that he is a false flag operation distracting everyone from Obama doing even worse things than he is claiming Obama is doing.
;p

80 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:03:56am

re: #75 A Mom Anon

Really, if Obama has this horrible diabolical (mwahahaha) plot to enslave and then kill us all why the hell is Fox news still on my TV? Why aren’t Limbaugh,Hannity,Beck and the rest of the media in a gulag by now? Shouldn’t I be turning on my radio and teevee now and seeing all kinds of far left programming?

I’m truly disappointed. Obama is the worst Nazi Socialist Dictator EVAR. I demand a refund.

Really if this is a dictatorship, I’m disappointed. Of course, at the same time they claim Obama’s incompetent. Whoever heard of an incompetent autocrat?

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:04:48am

re: #80 FriendsofHummus

Really if this is a dictatorship, I’m disappointed. Of course, at the same time they claim Obama’s incompetent. Whoever heard of an incompetent autocrat?

Obama is even now breaking new ground.
//

82 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:06:10am

re: #73 FriendsofHummus

Yeah, grifters gonna grift. Some people just want to get grifted. Wingnut cycle of life.

83 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:06:58am

re: #82 Bulworth

Yeah, grifters gonna grift. Some people just want to get grifted. Wingnut cycle of life.

IT’S GOING TO HAPPEN!! JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE!!

84 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:07:39am

Even I can hardly believe how freaking STUPID the top post at Jim Hoft’s sewer is today.

Sequester? What Sequester?… Bo the Obama Dog Keeps His Motorcade (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

I swear, these people are completely off their rockers.

85 erik_t  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:08:58am

re: #74 Gus

[x] Obama Phone
[x] Obama Death Panels
[x] Obama Drones
[x] Obama Tanks
[x] Obama FEMA Camps
[x] Obama Cancer Weapons
[x] Obama Viruses

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Sequester? What Sequester?… Bo the Obama Dog Keeps His Motorcade (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

!!!!!!!!!!!


[x] Obama Phone
[x] Obama Death Panels
[x] Obama Drones
[x] Obama Tanks
[x] Obama FEMA Camps
[x] Obama Cancer Weapons
[x] Obama Viruses
[x] Obama Dog

86 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:09:23am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Even I can hardly believe how freaking STUPID the top post at Jim Hoft’s sewer is today.

Sequester? What Sequester?… Bo the Obama Dog Keeps His Motorcade (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

I swear, these people are completely off their freaking rockers.

I hope he enjoys that Accuracy In Media award he got because I think my kindergarten diploma is worth more than that.

87 calochortus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:09:36am

re: #17 Bulworth

So what’s the smear about FLOTUS today?
I know…I don’t really want to know.

Sure you do. Vivienne Westwood doesn’t like the FLOTUS’s clothes.

88 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:20:25am

Jim Hoft seems to think Bo the Obama dog is taking the motorcade out by himself.

89 Mattand  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:21:07am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Even I can hardly believe how freaking STUPID the top post at Jim Hoft’s sewer is today.

Sequester? What Sequester?… Bo the Obama Dog Keeps His Motorcade (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

I swear, these people are completely off their rockers.

Jim’s fan base doesn’t dissapoint. Another batch of people would can’t be trusted with round paper and safety scissors.

I love how this outrage dates back to Xmas. Time-delayed derp.

90 calochortus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:21:41am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

When Bo needs something to chase-the motorcade is ready!

91 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:22:14am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft seems to think Bo the Obama dog is taking the motorcade out by himself.

Of course, this is the man who made a shit fit of the Happy New Years photo that the Obama’s posted on twitter because it was one used from Fourth of July. Of course, I remember Limbaugh getting pissy because Sasha or Malia was wearing a t-shirt with the peace sign on it. The horror.

92 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:23:57am

People who think tax cuts and increasing defense spending are sound economic policy really shouldn’t be complaining about spending. Just saying.

93 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:24:26am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Wait, the blah family in the WH gets a motorcade?

94 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:24:42am

re: #84 Charles Johnson

Even I can hardly believe how freaking STUPID the top post at Jim Hoft’s sewer is today.

Sequester? What Sequester?… Bo the Obama Dog Keeps His Motorcade (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

I swear, these people are completely off their rockers.

Check out who’s commenting there.

That’s the symbol for Kach and Kahane Chai both of which are considered terrorist organizations.

95 erik_t  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:25:00am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft seems to think Bo the Obama dog is taking the motorcade out by himself.

We’d never have this sort of wasteful fraudulent spending if the Obamas had gotten a good hard-working America-first white dog.

96 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:26:27am

re: #94 Gus

Check out who’s commenting there.

That’s the symbol for Kach and Kahane Chai both of which are considered terrorist organizations.

Kach and Kahane Chai are both on the State Department Foreign Terrorist Organization List since 1997. That’s in addition to being outlawed by the Israeli government as a political party in 1994.

97 blueraven  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:28:30am

re: #87 calochortus

Sure you do. Vivienne Westwood doesn’t like the FLOTUS’s clothes.

Oh really, this Vivienne Westwood?

Image: VivMOS1602_468x844.jpg

Now, I like her generally and her outrageous designs, but she has no room to talk about what other people wear.

98 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:28:35am

re: #96 lawhawk

Kach and Kahane Chai are both on the State Department Foreign Terrorist Organization List since 1997.

That guy’s website. You can see the image on the right with Kahane Chai written in the sand.

99 lawhawk  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:29:34am

re: #90 calochortus

When Bo needs something to chase-the motorcade is ready!

Bo knows motorcades. /

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:29:46am

re: #97 blueraven

Oh really, this Vivienne Westwood?

Image: VivMOS1602_468x844.jpg

Now, I like her generally and her outrageous designs, but she has no room to talk about what other people wear.

I don’t know who that is and I have zero fashion sense but that woman shouldn’t be lecturing FLOTUS on what to and what not to wear unless it’s meant ironically.

101 blueraven  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:31:58am

re: #100 FriendsofHummus

I don’t know who that is and I have zero fashion sense but that woman shouldn’t be lecturing FLOTUS on what to and what not to wear unless it’s meant ironically.

Dame Vivienne Westwood, DBE, RDI (born Vivienne Isabel Swire on 8 April 1941) is an English fashion designer and businesswoman, largely responsible for bringing modern punk and new wave fashions into the mainstream.[1]

102 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:32:39am

re: #101 blueraven

Dame Vivienne Westwood, DBE, RDI (born Vivienne Isabel Swire on 8 April 1941) is an English fashion designer and businesswoman, largely responsible for bringing modern punk and new wave fashions into the mainstream.[1]

Ah before my time then.

103 calochortus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:35:40am

re: #97 blueraven

Yes, that Vivienne Westwood. She doesn’t like the Duchess of Cambridge’s clothes either (IIRC)

re: #100 FriendsofHummus

No, I don’t suppose she means it ironically. She’s “edgy” and was pretty fashion forward some decades ago. Now? She still designs and sells, but I don’t think I’d consider her in the forefront. But then, who am I?

104 Bulworth  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:35:54am

re: #88 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft seems to think Bo the Obama dog is taking the motorcade out by himself.

That should be good enough for another Accuracy In Media award.

///

105 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:36:18am

re: #98 Gus

That guy’s website. You can see the image on the right with Kahane Chai written in the sand.

Scroll down to the “Iron Fist Plan”…about 4 posts down…if you dare.

106 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:36:43am

re: #101 blueraven

Dame Vivienne Westwood, DBE, RDI (born Vivienne Isabel Swire on 8 April 1941) is an English fashion designer and businesswoman, largely responsible for bringing modern punk and new wave fashions into the mainstream.[1]

Too bad she doesn’t realize that both punk and New Wave are fashions with an expiry date.

107 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:36:45am

re: #103 calochortus

Yes, that Vivienne Westwood. She doesn’t like the Duchess of Cambridge’s clothes either (IIRC)

re: #100 FriendsofHummus

No, I don’t suppose she means it ironically. She’s “edgy” and was pretty fashion forward some decades ago. Now? She still designs and sells, but I don’t think I’d consider her in the forefront. But then, who am I?

Well the qualifier was unless it’s meant ironically.

108 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:38:36am

re: #105 The Ghost of a Flea

Scroll down to the “Iron Fist Plan”…about 4 posts down…if you dare.

Yikes. Lunacy.

109 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:41:10am

re: #57 Gus

#StandWithRand because if Obama can kill Americans w/a drone today..tomorrow it’s DHS tanks driving up with 50 caliber weapons to your house
— Katy (@KatyinIndy) March 7, 2013

Yet I bet this person cheers sheriff Arpaio when he dozes his tank into the wrong fucking house on a “raid”.

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:42:18am

re: #104 Bulworth

That should be good enough for another Accuracy In Media award.

///

Image: AIMAward.png

Here it is.

111 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:43:54am

re: #105 The Ghost of a Flea

Scroll down to the “Iron Fist Plan”…about 4 posts down…if you dare.

He loves Breivik. More here.

112 Pete Puma  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:46:24am

This is the tanks we get?

113 blueraven  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:47:28am

re: #106 Romantic Heretic

Too bad she doesn’t realize that both punk and New Wave are fashions with an expiry date.

They also have an “age appropriate” date.

114 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:48:54am

re: #102 FriendsofHummus

Ah before my time then.

She owned the clothing store that outfitted the Sex Pistols. The store, IIRC, was called ‘Sex.’

115 HappyWarrior  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:49:41am

re: #114 makeitstop

She owned the clothing store that outfitted the Sex Pistols. The store, IIRC, was called ‘Sex.’

Ah gotcha. I am familiar with them a little.

116 makeitstop  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:51:34am

re: #115 FriendsofHummus

Ah gotcha. I am familiar with them a little.

She was involved with Mal McLaren, who was the Pistols’ manager.

117 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:12:35pm

re: #15 Gus

“All of these white people worried about big evil government while young black men grow up being harassed by your everyday cop on the beat.”

Ummm…you are the one defending the militarization of our Domestic Law enforcement. Do you think it better or worse for young black men when police have 10x the ammo, 10x the armor, 10x the killing power?? I am the one saying that this is a bad thing. I DO care about the people who are hurt by LEO, that is why I DON’T trust them to have tanks, drones, warrantless wire-taps etc. It is apologia like yourself who justify the increased militarization of LEO, the continuation of the drug war (the biggest cause of Afro-American imprisonment), the erosion of protection against federal encroachment on civil liberties when it is done by President Obama, but scream and shout when it is that A-hole GWB or any Republican that does the same things.


I will again, ask the question you ignored by putting up another straw man argument (that I am racist because I don;t mention “the private prison system? The over crowded jails, mandatory sentencing, archaic drug laws, school to jail pipeline” in a post about DHS. We weren’t discussing it. And I dislike all of them especially the Drug War!):

Domestic law enforcement doesn’t need these things (whether it is 2, 27, 2700, or 27,000) and we can’t afford them so why are they buying them??

(And they already have at least a few of them, if you watch this video of the DHS agent standing in front of one painted with the full words for “DHS”!)

PS
I didn’t vote for either guy in 2012. Or GWB in 2000 or 2004, or McCain in 2008.
I don’t own a gun.
I don’t own gold.
I don’t like Glen Beck.
I read Glen Greenwald, Peggy Noonan, Paul Krugman and Nick Gallespie all with the same frequency.
So, let’s just skip the ad hominem attacks and get straight to why you refuse question or criticize YOUR party when they do the same bad things as the “other guys”.

118 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:26:18pm

re: #28 wrenchwench

re: #15 Gus


“They do have these things” - Me (now watch video)



“Radley Blako is a nut. So is Radley Balko…So are you, perhaps” — You

Which of us is in denial? I said, “if they have 2, 27, 270, or 2700 it is too much” and they don’t need them. I show a video of at least one painted with the words…(pay attention), “Department of Homeland Security” and you call me a nut. That is what us students of rhetoric call an ad hominem attack. I admitted (see previous posts)that people who think they will be used to conquer us are loony. I think there is no good way they can be used and they will certainly be abused. They ALWAYS are. So we all should be upset if they buy 1 or 1,000.

Stop this team red vs team blue BS (We are all losing this game!) and start seeing that the increase in domestic law enforcement militarization, erosion of civil liberties has gone way too far and needs to be rolled back. And not because en evil dictator wants to take us over, but rather because the aggregate incompetence, corruption and greed of any organization as large as the Federal Government will always result in harm to the citizenry. Dead by an unnecessary no-knock drug raid or dead by some “fantasy-land” government take over is still dead!

119 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 12:49:02pm

re: #24 Mattand

“You’re more well-written than most, but you’re striking me as one of those “patriots” who really wants another Waco or Ruby Ridge to fulfill your “The Gubmint out to git me” fantasies.

Being skepictal of government is not the same thing as being absurdly paranoid of it. And I’m willing to bet you were fine with the feds up until January 2009.”

First, thank you for recognizing my superb rhetorical skills! ;)

Second, I am from Berkley, CA so I say “Federal Government (Fed)” or “Domestic Law Enforcement Agencies” or “Law Enforcement Officers (LEO)”, not “Gubmit”.

Third, Waco and Ruby Ridge were perfect examples of overzealous DLEA and LEO driven by a Federal Government that encourages such behavior by: offering surplus military equipment to DLEA, giving huge funding incentives to buy these new “toys” (typically tied to the ridiculous war on drugs), and a desire by politicians to look “tough on crime”. They were both awful wastes of lives that were unnecessary, so no I wouldn’t want such a thing to occur again for any reason.

Fourth, you are the one mistaking skepticism for paranoia. I am hiding out in a bunker, declaring war on the US, buying guns or gold, or exaggerating facts to gain support. Those are folks that I don’t support and they have an much reflection on me as they do on you. You, on the other hand, chose to ignore that DLEA having 10 of these MRAPS is a bad thing that will only encourage increased raids and SWAT-like tactics because you are disgusted with people who try to use such facts to their own “kooky” ends.

“I’m willing to bet you were fine with the feds up until January 2009.”
You would lose the bet. I was disgusted by GWB (and Cheney, Rumsfeld etc) and the whole GOP for their corporate cronyism, inflation of economic bubbles, reckless spending, military adventurism/imperialism, PATRIOT ACT, use of Gitmo for indefinite detention, continuation of the Drug War etc etc.
I, however, am equally disgusted by President Obama’s eagerness to continue such policies.

120 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:11:13pm

re: #26 wrenchwench


“Radley Blako is a nut. So is Radley Balko.” - wrenchwrench

Radley Balko was the reason enough public attention was brought to the Corey Maye capital murder case that he was given a new trial and eventually released. Balko’s investigative journalism on an unknown case (at the time) resulted in the reversal of a wrongful death sentence against a black man in Mississippi (subjected to incompetent legal representation) who was merely trying to protect his daughter against what he thought were burglars but turned out to be a no-knock, no identification drug bust at the wrong residence. He also unearthed inconsistencies of a highly regarded Medical Examiner (Steven Hayne) who is now believed to have forged or exaggerated evidence in multiple cases.

Check it out for yourself - [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I think such facts indicate that Balko deserves not be dismissed out-of-hand or as a “nut” without further clarification.

121 TANSTAAFLusa  Wed, Mar 13, 2013 1:13:41pm

re: #119 TANSTAAFLusa

CORRECTION

Previous post should be

“Fourth, you are the one mistaking skepticism for paranoia. I am NOT hiding out in a bunker, declaring war on the US, buying guns or gold, or exaggerating facts to gain support.”

That typo changes the meaning a bit, eh? Whoops!


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