What Beer Would Darwin Drink?

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Just in time for the Craft Brewers Conference in Washington, D.C. at the end of March, Maryland’s Flying Dog and Evolution Craft Brewing are introducing a new collaboration beer, one that will evolve over the course of three iterations.

Natural Selection will first be released as a stock ale, one that carries caramel and dark fruit notes that mingle with hints of roast and chocolate. Genus One, as it will be known, will only be available in draft form at the CBC.

Then, the beer will branch off in two evolutionary ways. Genus Two will come from Flying Dog, as brewmaster Matt Brophy dry hops the stock into something new. Genus Three will be Evolution’s doing, after brewmaster Geoff DeBisschop barrel ages it for several months. Both of these versions of Natural Selection will be available in Mid-Atlantic markets come October.

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274 comments

1 Locker  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:22:49pm

Darwin was a blazer. I’m gonna go ahead and say Hindu Skunk.

2 FemNaziBitch  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:25:40pm

Probably what ever was available in the Captains Cabin on the Beagle —no?

Did they even have beer then, wasn’t it Ale or Draught or something.

3 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:33:59pm

I’m out of good beer. All I have is Red Stripe.

4 darthstar  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:39:30pm

Intelligent Fermentation dictates we drink Bud Light.

5 engineer cat  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:43:38pm

re: #3 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I’m out of good beer. All I have is Red Stripe.

you can geev some to I

6 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:44:08pm
7 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:47:33pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Geller’s comment thread is nuts.

S. Klein said…

This is unbelievable. What is happening to the conservative movement? Where are the men? This is reminiscent of the circling-the-wagons (we saw by supporters) around Gov. Rick Perry over his (white washed) Islam curriculum in Texas schools.

That’s Rick “Creepin’ Sharia” Perry to you, S. Klein.

8 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:49:01pm

We are all creeping Sharia.

9 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:49:24pm

re: #7 jaunte

Geller’s comment thread is nuts.

That’s Rick “Creepin’ Sharia” Perry to you, S. Klein.

You see this one?

prestigio said…

why doesn’t grover baby
get circumcised
swear allegiance to allah-satan
ditto hosanna o’bama the magnificent
and honestly expose himself
for what he really is

but a man would do that

Whut?

10 darthstar  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:50:04pm

re: #5 engineer cat

you can geev some to I and I

ftfy

11 Varek Raith  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:51:13pm

re: #9 Gus

You see this one?

Whut?

Image: WTF.jpg

12 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:51:23pm

It all started with being a yell-leader at the noted madrassa, Texas A&M.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:51:48pm

re: #9 Gus

Wingnut free verse!

14 b_sharp  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:52:14pm

I just realized I’m in no mood for discussion.

Goodnight.

15 darthstar  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:53:26pm

Mexico just hit a home run…but they’re playing in Arizona so Sheriff Joe was there to throw it back.

16 Stanley Sea  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 6:57:14pm

re: #8 Varek Raith

We are all creeping Sharia.

It’s our Jihad.

17 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:08:58pm

Hey. I think some BS malware window popped at Geller’s site. I had to shut down Firefox manually. Made me nervous because it also has one of those “Leave Page” windows that popped up. I hate clicking those.

18 thedopefishlives  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:10:34pm

re: #17 Gus

Hey. I think some BS malware window popped at Geller’s site. I had to shut down Firefox manually. Made me nervous because it also has one of those “Leave Page” windows that popped up. I hate clicking those.

That doesn’t surprise me at all. I’ve noticed that wingnut sites seem to be plagued with malware. Mostly seems to be because they’re unscrupulous with their advertising.

19 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:13:39pm

brb

20 palomino  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:19:52pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Gellar is so Islamophobic that it trumps all else. She and Norquist should be natural ideological allies. But Grover married a Muslim, so therefore he must hate America and want its destruction as a precursor to establishing a worldwide caliphate. (Or some crazy shit like that.)

Kinda like the garbage smear campaign from Rep. Bachmann directed at Hillary’s State Dept. aide, the woman still married to former Rep. Anthony Weiner. A Muslim woman married to a Jew and working for a Christian. That dynamic is representative of 21st century America, and we should all be proud of it. But to revanchists like Bachmann, Gellar, Beck, et al., it’s a bullshit sign that sharia is winning and western civilization is in danger. It’s hysteria in the place of rational thought and argument.

21 dragonath  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:25:15pm

re: #15 darthstar

Mexico just hit a home run…but they’re playing in Arizona so Sheriff Joe was there to throw it back.

Yay someone else is paying attention to the WBC

22 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:31:30pm

re: #21 dragonath

Just tuned in. Do you know who was pitching for Mexico?

23 dragonath  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:33:41pm

Some guy called Gallardo

24 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:35:58pm

re: #23 dragonath

Heh, just found the info. ‘Some guy called Gallardo’. Why I oughta.

25 jaunte  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 7:42:29pm

WARREN: How many billions of dollars do you have to launder through drug lords, and how many economic sanctions do you have to violate before someone will consider shutting down a financial institution like this?

DAVID COHEN, REGULATOR: We determined the appropriate response [with HSBC] there was a very very significant penalty against the institution […]

WARREN: How many billions of dollars do you have to launder for drug lords before somebody says we’re shutting you down?!

December 2012:

“…Mexican drug traffickers deposited hundreds of thousands of dollars each day in HSBC accounts. At least $881m in drug trafficking money was laundered throughout the bank’s accounts.”

HSBC pays record $1.9bn fine to settle US money-laundering accusations

26 Thundermother(it will turn your head around)  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:12:32pm

Da-n-da-da-n-da-da-n-da-da
Like it shines on me

27 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:40:32pm
28 austin_blue  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:40:37pm

Theakston’s Old Peculiar.

29 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:42:25pm

Testing.

30 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:42:57pm

Hmm. Guess that other video didn’t show up right.

31 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:51:09pm

F-18 Supersonic Flyby

Courtesy Video Defense Imagery Management Operations Center
Produced by MC2. Armando Gonzales.

The Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) entertains distinguished visitors to include Peyton Manning of the Denver Broncos with flight operations and a fly-by that breaks the sound barrier (signaled with flares). The video was shot from guided-missile cruiser USS Mobile Bay (CG 53) in restricted maneuvering about 500 yards from John C. Stennis’ port side.

32 Three Chord Monty  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:51:36pm

“What Beer Would Darwin Drink?”

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33 Charles Johnson  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:51:51pm

How to replace single line feeds with two line feeds.

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34 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:56:26pm
35 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:58:19pm

LOL. Tweeted today.

It was on Fox News.

36 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 8:58:55pm

I’m just laughing. These people have a mental illness. Either that or it’s the greatest scam of yellow journalism ever.

37 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:08:59pm

HE’BREW - The Chosen Beer

Their Bittersweet Lenny’s R.I.P.A. is excellent. I haven’t come across any of their other varieties yet.

38 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:10:53pm



39 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:15:02pm

It’s funny really. An overtly armed American public worried about an overtly armed government. I just laugh.

40 First As Tragedy, Then As Farce  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:15:52pm

re: #38 Gus

Quick, somebody get Ted Cruz to remind us that Hagel’s a cowardly peacenik who despises the military.

41 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:18:47pm
42 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:19:24pm

re: #4 darthstar

Intelligent Fermentation dictates we drink Bud Light.

Trolling for downdings?

43 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:24:31pm

LOL This is good.

44 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:25:08pm

Watch and LISTEN to the whole thing first.

45 wrenchwench  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:42:53pm
46 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:44:20pm

re: #2 FemNaziBitch

Probably what ever was available in the Captains Cabin on the Beagle —no?

Did they even have beer then, wasn’t it Ale or Draught or something.

Beer is as old as civilization; the Sumerians had it.

If you wanted to provoke a mutiny, you fucked with the British sailor’s rum ration, but they did have what they called “small beer”. Essentially a low-alcohol brew, often unfiltered, but it was used as drinking water since, unlike water, it didn’t become a toxic algal sludge after sitting in barrels for a couple of months.

47 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:48:52pm

re: #46 Mentis Fugit

Beer is as old as civilization; the Sumerians had it.

If you wanted to provoke a mutiny, you fucked with the British sailor’s rum ration, but they did have what they called “small beer”. Essentially a low-alcohol brew, often unfiltered, but it was used as drinking water since, unlike water, it didn’t become a toxic algal sludge after sitting in barrels for a couple of months.

I gave up beer. I gave up wine. I only drink whiskey. It’ll be the death of me. :D

48 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 9:53:18pm

re: #47 Gus

I gave up beer. I gave up wine. I only drink whiskey. It’ll be the death of me. :D

Give it forty years or so and you can guarantee it.

49 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:09:39pm
50 Lidane  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:21:59pm

re: #47 Gus

I gave up beer. I gave up wine. I only drink whiskey. It’ll be the death of me. :D

I avoid whiskey. It’s the bitch switch for me. I’m not a good whiskey drinker AT ALL.

At best, I’ll buy a bottle of wine and split it with the boyfriend on a Saturday night. Booze and me don’t get along much anymore.

51 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:24:54pm

Here’s his replacement.

[Link: www.chrispaddie.com…]

52 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:25:37pm

First issue…

Protect the Right to Bear Arms

Whatever.

53 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:25:59pm

Stupid freaking gun nuts.

54 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:27:50pm

He’s Mexican though. Doesn’t take a scientist to see that. LOL Stupid Texans.

55 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:32:30pm
56 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:33:58pm
57 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:43:35pm

re: #56 Gus

The true power of prayer; getting morons to hope for magic instead of actually doing anything.

58 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:44:25pm

re: #57 Kragar (Antichrist )

The true power of prayer; getting morons to hope for magic instead of actually doing anything.

59 Mentis Fugit  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:45:03pm

Gus, let me guess: he doesn’t eat his own dog food. Instead, from the sales of the dog food, he drinks Krug, drives a Rolls Royce, and lives in Fuckyouivegotmineistan.

60 Lidane  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 10:56:30pm

re: #55 Gus

Asshole bullshit artist.

Very rich bullshit artist. His megachurch is in what used to be the Compaq Center where the Houston Rockets played. It’s right on the freeway in Houston.

61 AlexRogan  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:03:35pm

re: #57 Kragar (Antichrist )

The true power of prayer; getting morons to hope for magic instead of actually doing anything.

While parting them of (lots of) their cash in the name of the Lord.

/would Jesus wear a Rolex?

63 Shvaughn  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:16:18pm

re: #55 Gus

Asshole bullshit artist.

Wow, that’s a huge chain of stupid bullshit.

He’s unsurprisingly a “prosperity gospel” preacher of a huge megachurch.

64 Amory Blaine  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:19:37pm

I’ve been digging the Ralph Steadman artwork on Flying Dog beers. He has a different theme for each style. And the beer is pretty good too. :)

65 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:19:48pm

re: #63 Shvaughn

Wow, that’s a huge chain of stupid bullshit.

He’s unsurprisingly a “prosperity gospel” preacher of a huge megachurch.

While only following 167 people. Weird.

66 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:22:34pm

re: #65 Gus

While only following 167 people. Weird.

He’s got another account he uses just for porn.

67 Gus  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:26:10pm

Punching out.

68 Kragar (Antichrist )  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:33:40pm

re: #67 Gus

Punching out.

Is that what the kids call it nowadays?
/

69 prairiefire  Fri, Mar 8, 2013 11:34:39pm

TCM 1935 “Roberta”. Irene Dunne heaven.

70 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 1:25:29am
71 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 1:30:04am

re: #70 Eclectic Cyborg

South Dakota passes law allowing school employees to be armed

Officer Who Fired Shot In New York High School Suspended

Putting more guns in schools only means your likelihood for being shot there goes way up.

72 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 1:35:50am

Gingrich Sides With Rand Paul: ‘I Don’t Know What’s Happened To John McCain’

In the emerging GOP civil war between Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Rand Paul (R-KY) over the government’s use of drones, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich made it clear Friday that he’s siding with the Kentucky libertarian.

Earlier this week, McCain blasted Paul’s 13-hour filibuster over the nomination of John Brennan to lead the CIA. But while McCain and his old ally Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) criticized, other Republicans, such as Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), rushed to join Paul’s cause. Gingrich said he was “saddened” by McCain’s response.

73 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:34:39am

re: #72 Kragar (Antichrist )

Moar throat punches, pleez.

74 Flounder  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:36:16am

Ice cold Milwaukee’s Best Ice is the only beer for me. Then again I am a recovering alcoholic, so maybe that isn’t a good beer. ;)
Good morning lizards!

75 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:45:42am

re: #74 Flounder

Ice cold Milwaukee’s Best Ice is the only beer for me. Then again I am a recovering alcoholic, so maybe that isn’t a good beer. ;)
Good morning lizards!

I’m from the land and time of Olde Frothingslosh.

[Link: www.rustycans.com…]

(But I drink Yeunglings—close to an oldstyle, cheap, Pittsburgh beer.)

76 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:47:38am

re: #74 Flounder

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Those are both terrible beers.

On the other hand, I used to drink Heilman’s Old Style, which is really foul.

77 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:49:07am

re: #76 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Those are both terrible beers.

On the other hand, I used to drink Heilman’s Old Style, which is really foul.

I only drink beer during warm weather. It was in the 70s yesterday.

78 Flounder  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:49:39am

I am not ashamed to say I used to buy Piel’s longnecks.

79 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:51:52am

Try to drink Guinness for ethnic solidarity, but two will burn my throat for the evening. Yeunglings Black and Tan is a good substitute, but there’s that trouble with the name.

80 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:53:13am

re: #79 Decatur Deb

Try Anchor Steam Porter. One of my favorite dark beers, a nice bootstrappy beer that you can imagine sea-hardened ‘49ers chugging before settling philosophical disputes with pick-handles.

81 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 5:55:54am

Come Out, Ye Black and Tans:

82 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:09:19am

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Try Anchor Steam Porter. One of my favorite dark beers, a nice bootstrappy beer that you can imagine sea-hardened ‘49ers chugging before settling philosophical disputes with pick-handles.

Anchor Steam Porter is one of the collection of ‘new’ beers sold at our supermarket. They let you make up a sample six-pack from the racks. Most of the brands look like they were carefully crafted by Marketing MBAs.

83 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:14:22am

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Anchor Steam Porter is one of the collection of ‘new’ beers sold at our supermarket. They let you make up a sample six-pack from the racks. Most of the brands look like they were carefully crafted by Marketing MBAs.

Yeah, so many beers are just try-too-hard. It’s like “Black Devil Goatman Firebird”, and then it’s some perfectly tame beer with nothing that special to it.

Anchor Porter started off in 1972.

84 dragonath  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:15:14am

Say what you will about Venezuela’s leader, at least he has an awesome porn ‘stach

85 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:16:39am

re: #84 dragonath

Say what you will about Venezuela’s leader, at least he has an awesome porn ‘stach

The new guy? He looks very much like a minor Black comedian from the 80s.

86 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:19:15am

Guns.

87 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:19:33am
88 dragonath  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:20:24am

re: #76 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

re: #75 Decatur Deb

Those are both terrible beers.

On the other hand, I used to drink Heilman’s Old Style, which is really foul.

G. Heilman Company has been the hand of death for good beer since at least 1955.

89 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:21:46am

Somebody called that “poetic justice.” Bullshit. Just because he was the host of a gun show doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered or that it was some kind of freaking “karma.”

90 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:25:30am

re: #80 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Try Anchor Steam Porter. One of my favorite dark beers, a nice bootstrappy beer that you can imagine sea-hardened ‘49ers chugging before settling philosophical disputes with pick-handles.

There’s a bar up here in Toronto, The Only, which has a huge selection of beers. Including Anchor Steam which is quite nice.

My preferred drink of an evening is Tankhouse Ale made by a very successful microbrewery, the Mill Street Brewery.

91 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:27:11am

re: #87 Gus

Sigh. I hate that my first impulse was to laugh. I’m such a sick puppy sometimes.

92 Flounder  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:28:27am

If any lizards get up Lake Placid NY, you have to try Ubu Ale, prolly the best I ever had.

[Link: beeradvocate.com…]

93 Flounder  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:30:25am

My kids are “fluent” in EVERY type of technology, except the off button.

94 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:32:00am

re: #91 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. I hate that my first impulse was to laugh. I’m such a sick puppy sometimes.

Because “jealous husbands” never shoot their wife’s lovers but when that lover is a gun enthusiast we get to point and laugh? Seems like a silly argument to me.

95 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:35:56am

Usual beer is Leinenkugel’s from Chippewa Falls, WI. It’s a basic American Pils, nothing terribly special but not bad either. Certainly more drinkable than any of the mass market swill out there. If I’m feeling cheap, there’s always Miller for $3 a four pack of 16 oz cans.. :eek:

More interesting is the recent (about 2 years now) reintroduction of Schlitz using it’s early 60’s formula from when it was the best selling beer in America. They changed away from that formula in a fit of being cheap and lost customers in droves because it went from a decent beer to less than panther piss. The reintroduced stuff is good for a reasonably cheap beer.

96 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:36:32am

re: #89 Gus

Somebody called that “poetic justice.” Bullshit. Just because he was the host of a gun show doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered or that it was some kind of freaking “karma.”

That’s why I think the focus on white legal gun owners in red states is misplaced. It’s actually a very small part of the problem with gun violence.

97 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:43:37am

re: #96 Killgore Trout

That’s why I think the focus on white legal gun owners in red states is misplaced. It’s actually a very small part of the problem with gun violence.

There seems to be an essential component missing in this whole gun debate. We need to start teaching people that murder is wrong. We need to start teaching kids that murder is wrong. Yes, we need to bring back morality into this debate in which was once worded as thou shall not murder.

98 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:47:41am

re: #95 William Barnett-Lewis

Usual beer is Leinenkugel’s from Chippewa Falls, WI. It’s a basic American Pils, nothing terribly special but not bad either. Certainly more drinkable than any of the mass market swill out there. If I’m feeling cheap, there’s always Miller for $3 a four pack of 16 oz cans.. :eek:

More interesting is the recent (about 2 years now) reintroduction of Schlitz using it’s early 60’s formula from when it was the best selling beer in America. They changed away from that formula in a fit of being cheap and lost customers in droves because it went from a decent beer to less than panther piss. The reintroduced stuff is good for a reasonably cheap beer.

Through a comedy of miscommunication, our second daughter, born in Louisville, was almost named ‘Sterling’.

99 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:54:03am

Anyway. The homicide rate is still continuing a downward trend despite the recent media interest. Apparently, most humans accept that murder is wrong.

100 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:56:08am

Anyone know what this is about.

101 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:58:41am

re: #100 Gus

Anyone know what this is about.

Looks like terribly amateurish attempt at journalism that just “gets it all wrong”. Badly written, too.

102 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:03:05am

re: #89 Gus

Somebody called that “poetic justice.” Bullshit. Just because he was the host of a gun show doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered or that it was some kind of freaking “karma.”

This also will reinforce the growing RW meme of ‘gun-expert assassinations”, e.g. the mock-Russian YT guy, the sniper, and one or two others in the gun cult.

103 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:03:47am

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Looks like terribly amateurish attempt at journalism that just “gets it all wrong”. Badly written, too.

This guy’s been trying to work up some Twitter drama for some time now. Some people are taking the bait. Not sure if it true or not. It’s childish and annoying. There’s also this.

104 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:04:29am

re: #97 Gus

There seems to be an essential component missing in this whole gun debate. We need to start teaching people that murder is wrong. We need to start teaching kids that murder is wrong. Yes, we need to bring back morality into this debate in which was once worded as thou shall not murder.

I think we already teach kids that murder is wrong.

We also teach them that they need to be manly and that if your wife cheats on you you should be wrathful. We teach them a lot of different things. And back when it was written ‘thou shalt not kill’ it was also written that an adulteress wife would be stoned to death, or strangled.

I completely agree that we need to focus on values, but we already teach that murder is wrong— we just teach a bunch of other contradictory shit too.

105 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:05:28am

re: #103 Gus

This guy’s been trying to work up some Twitter drama for some time now. Some people are taking the bait. Not sure if it true or not. It’s childish and annoying. There’s also this.

Nutjob, and not even a competent nutjob.

106 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:06:25am

re: #100 Gus

It’s a weird site. A lot of the stories are just straight-up press releases.

[Link: www.politicolnews.com…]

107 Aligarr  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:06:42am

Sailors drank grog , it was a daily ration . [rum]
Those beers described sound like tutti fruiti . Check out Dennis Leary’s stand up skit on micro-brewed and designer beers .

108 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:08:57am

re: #104 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I think we already teach kids that murder is wrong.

We also teach them that they need to be manly and that if your wife cheats on you you should be wrathful. We teach them a lot of different things. And back when it was written ‘thou shalt not kill’ it was also written that an adulteress wife would be stoned to death, or strangled.

I completely agree that we need to focus on values, but we already teach that murder is wrong— we just teach a bunch of other contradictory shit too.

Murder rates seem to follow a lot of drivers—age demographics, economic conditions, geographic/community dislocation, etc. They don’t seem to respond to the fervor of the preachers.

109 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:13:40am

re: #106 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s a weird site. A lot of the stories are just straight-up press releases.

[Link: www.politicolnews.com…]

Check this one out.

110 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:13:49am

re: #86 Gus

Guns.

Guns spelled backwards is Snug!!
Image: PB%20mom%20and%20baby%20cuddling.jpg

111 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:13:51am
112 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:15:17am

re: #111 Gus

Not loading.

113 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:15:40am

re: #111 Gus

But I see the one you mean. Man, this is getting Timecubey.

114 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:16:47am

re: #113 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

But I see the one you mean. Man, this is getting Timecubey.

There’s traffic coming to mah website from Little Gween Footballs! It’s a conspiwacy! Clearly Gus802 is teh working for teh Unite Blu!!!11ty

115 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:17:00am

Mornin’ everyone! Is that a rolled up copy of Guns & Ammo in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

116 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:23:00am

re: #106 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

It’s a weird site. A lot of the stories are just straight-up press releases.

[Link: www.politicolnews.com…]

I find it hard to pronounce in my mind…politiCOAL or politiCALL? But I am tempted by the $159 one-way to Hawaii flight offer by Alaska Airlines. Getting home will be tough though.

117 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:23:42am

HPV Virus Does Not Cause Cancer-Gardasil is a Hoax

Derp. Think I’ll cache these from now on.

118 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:24:51am

re: #117 Gus

HPV Virus Does Not Cause Cancer-Gardasil is a Hoax

Derp. Think I’ll cache these from now on.

Either that, or expand your popsicle-stick collection.

119 wheat-dogghazi  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:25:03am

re: #98 Decatur Deb

Through a comedy of miscommunication, our second daughter, born in Louisville, was almost named ‘Sterling’.

So, her name is actually “Falls City?”

120 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:25:59am

re: #116 darthstar

I find it hard to pronounce in my mind…politiCOAL or politiCALL? But I am tempted by the $159 one-way to Hawaii flight offer by Alaska Airlines. Getting home will be tough though.

iirc, You’ve trained for a triathlon. Just add water wings!

121 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:29:53am

re: #118 Decatur Deb

Either that, or expand your popsicle-stick collection.

Think we can question his judgement already? O_o

122 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:30:06am

re: #95 William Barnett-Lewis

I didn’t know Schlitz had gone retro.

123 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:31:02am

re: #120 sattv4u2

iirc, You’ve trained for a triathlon. Just add water wings!

Sure…I can swim from Hawaii back to California…so long as I can stop every fifty to hundred yards and hold on to the edge and catch my breath.

124 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:31:34am

Ten Alexandria police stations join Egypt-wide strike

Ten police stations in Egypt’s second-largest city, Alexandria declare they are joining the nationwide labour strike Saturday to demand the minister of interior be dismissed and to stop their forced involvement in political and partisan struggles.

The police in the coastal city follow the lead of several officers that announced they were going on strike in several governorates to demand that they be armed to be able to defend themselves against what they described as “armed thugs.”

They are also resisting what they perceive as the “Brothehroodisation” of the interior ministry and the dismissal of Interior Minister Mohamed Ibrahim.

125 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:33:10am

re: #123 darthstar

Sure…I can swim from Hawaii back to California…so long as I can stop every fifty to hundred yards and hold on to the edge and catch my breath.

Drop by the Polynesian Cultural Center and get some pointers in crossing the Pacific in a catamaran.

126 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:36:21am

re: #125 The Ghost of a Flea

Drop by the Polynesian Cultural Center and get some pointers in crossing the Pacific in a catamaran.

On Kwajalein the airport gift shop sells the woven-palm astro maps.

127 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:36:28am

re: #123 darthstar

Sure…I can swim from Hawaii back to California…so long as I can stop every fifty to hundred yards and hold on to the edge and catch my breath.

hence, the water wings

Image: kids_boy%20with%20yellow%20water%20wings.img_assist_custom-300x199.jpg

You have those exact sunglasses, don’t you??
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128 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:37:08am

re: #124 Killgore Trout

Ten Alexandria police stations join Egypt-wide strike

Mid March. It’s almost SPRING!!!

129 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:39:06am

re: #122 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I didn’t know Schlitz had gone retro.

Years ago, when going to someone’s house warming or a dinner party, I’d buy a 40oz bottle of King Cobra or another malt liquor and bring it as a gift. When they’d invariably look at me as if I was crazy I’d say, “Hey, don’t let the smooth taste fool ya.” and wink at them. Haven’t done that in ages…got a big Passover dinner party coming up at the end of the month…there will be lots of French wine involved…maybe slipping a 40 into the collection without anyone seeing me might be kind of fun.

130 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:41:02am

Chores. BBL

131 sattv4u2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:43:40am

re: #95 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #122 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I didn’t know Schlitz had gone retro.

re: #129 darthstar

I have one of these stored in my attic

Image: l.jpg

A cousin of mine used to be a sales rep for them decades ago and gave me one

132 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:44:20am

re: #128 sattv4u2

Mid March. It’s almost SPRING!!!

Daylight saving time this weekend. Spring forward!

133 Hercules Grytpype-Thynneghazi  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:48:47am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Daylight saving time this weekend. Spring forward!

Image: t52.jpg

134 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:50:17am

re: #89 Gus

Somebody called that “poetic justice.” Bullshit. Just because he was the host of a gun show doesn’t mean he deserved to be murdered or that it was some kind of freaking “karma.”

Indeed. The man hosted a hunting show, and that’s not a capital offense the last time I checked.

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:50:51am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Daylight saving time this weekend. Spring forward!

Except in Europe, which will be out of sync with you guys until the last Sunday in April…

I hate it all, I grew up in Indiana and Arizona, two states that do not have DST.

136 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:56:01am

re: #135 Sol Berdinowitz

Except in Europe, which will be out of sync with you guys until the last Sunday in April…

I hat it all, I grew up in Indiana and Arizona, two states that do not have DST.

No daylight savings time was just about the only thing I liked about the years is pent in AZ.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:56:16am

re: #135 Sol Berdinowitz

Except in Europe, which will be out of sync with you guys until the last Sunday in April…

I hat it all, I grew up in Indiana and Arizona, two states that do not have DST.

That’s only true of Arizona now. Indiana has since adopted DST. Mitch Daniels had it done as a cost saving measure.

138 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:57:53am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

No daylight savings time was just about the only thing I liked about the years is pent in AZ.

I read that as your years in penitentary in AZ.

139 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:59:44am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

I just have to laugh at meat eaters that shop their meat at the supermarket who start trash talking hunters. The critics don’t want to remember what happened to the animal that provided that meat. It’s not all from the McNugget extruder.

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 7:59:47am

re: #136 Killgore Trout

No daylight savings time was just about the only thing I liked about the years is pent in AZ.

Don’t know where you when you lived in AZ, but I had a fine time there, lived in Tempe, Sedona, Tucson, Mesa and Flagstaff between 1978-88

141 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:04:37am

re: #140 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t know where you when you lived in AZ, but I had a fine time there, lived in Tempe, Sedona, Tucson, Mesa and Flagstaff between 1978-88

I lived in Tempe while doing grad school at ASU. I hated it. Flagstaff was kinda nice.

142 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:09:59am

re: #135 Sol Berdinowitz

Except in Europe, which will be out of sync with you guys until the last Sunday in April…

I hat it all, I grew up in Indiana and Arizona, two states that do not have DST.

Arizona just thinks they don’t change their clocks. Half the year they’re on California time, the other half they’re on New Mexico time. They’re always screwed up when they leave the state.

143 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:11:42am

Oh jeez. Looking at some web page. Person used a different name in 2010. Pretty nutty shit here.

144 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:12:12am

re: #138 darthstar

I left you something on Wednesday. Oh, look! It’s still there!

145 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:13:55am

re: #141 Killgore Trout

I lived in Tempe while doing grad school at ASU. I hated it. Flagstaff was kinda nice.

Tempe was my least favorite place of the lot, but it was still kinda funky and college-town back then, now it is all overdeveloped.

146 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:16:48am

So that’s why they call it Tempe.

//

147 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:17:26am

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

People dismiss adultery too easily. “Consenting adults” and all that. That’s fine for singles and open relationships. The consequences of real adultery, families split, home loss, damage to the young, mental anguish and the occasional violent murder don’t seem to dissuade many from putting sensation above sense. AFAIK consenting adults would or should have the okay from both spouses. The consequences are felt by the whole family or families involved.

Note the focus on his career with guns and little mention of his actions with anothers wife. The guns are bad and the affair okay? Gimme a break, that’s just stupid. And telling.

148 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:19:13am

State Party Considers Firing Chairman for Embracing Gay Marriage

Two Illinois Republicans are finding out that for all the talk nationally of the GOP becoming more inclusive and appealing to voters by softening stances on social issues, it’s difficult to actually follow through.

The state Republican Party’s central committee will meet Saturday to consider firing chairman Pat Brady, largely because he spoke out in favor of a bill to end Illinois’ ban on gay marriage. And the only Republican state senator to vote in favor of same-sex marriage, Sen. Jason Barickman, has been chastised by his colleagues and a national organization opposing the measure.

149 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:20:00am

re: #140 Sol Berdinowitz

Don’t know where you when you lived in AZ, but I had a fine time there, lived in Tempe, Sedona, Tucson, Mesa and Flagstaff between 1978-88

The Fort Huachuca area, & especially Bisbee, was quite nice I thought. I’d not mind moving there when I retire but realistically there isn’t enough water for the number of people living there already.

150 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:20:33am

re: #105 Decatur Deb

Nutjob, and not even a competent nutjob.

Nutjob and competency tend to be mutually exclusive traits.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:20:43am

re: #147 Political Atheist

People dismiss adultery too easily. “Consenting adults” and all that. That’s fine for singles and open relationships. The consequences of real adultery, families split, home loss, damage to the young, mental anguish and the occasional violent murder don’t seem to dissuade many from putting sensation above sense. AFAIK consenting adults would should have the okay from both spouses. The consequences are felt by the whole family or families involved.

Note the focus on his career with guns and little mention of his actions with anothers wife. The guns are bad and the affair okay? Gimme a break, that’s just stupid. And telling.

I also see “open relationships” and premarital sex rather differently than when one has gotten up in public and announced to love and cherish and be true to someone ‘til death do you part.

Nobody is forcing you to take those vows, there is no longer even the overwhelming societal pressure to get married at all in the first place, so if you are going to make those vows, you really ought to consider them carefully.

152 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:21:09am

re: #148 Kragar (Antichrist )

State Party Considers Firing Chairman for Embracing Gay Marriage

It’s not a matter of if the GOP will accept gay marriage, it’s a matter of when they’ll do it. From all appearances, only after they’ve ensured that nobody will believe them when they finally make an earnest effort to change.

153 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:21:16am

re: #147 Political Atheist

The murder is not because of the adultery. That’s not a consequence. That’s a consequence of how much we build people up to believe adultery is an ultimate betrayal and they should go insane when it happens to them.

Note the focus on his career with guns and little mention of his actions with anothers wife. The guns are bad and the affair okay? Gimme a break, that’s just stupid. And telling.

The guns in no way led or contributed to his death. The affair contributes only in so far as some asshole believes that that incredibly immoral response is the right choice.

The affair isn’t ‘ok’, but it’s none of our business at all and it’s nothing to harm another person over.

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:22:23am

re: #149 William Barnett-Lewis

The Fort Huachuca area, & especially Bisbee, was quite nice I thought. I’d not mind moving there when I retire but realistically there isn’t enough water for the number of people living there already.

I had that odd feeling when I returned there in 2005 and noted that the lovely bit of desert I used to live in outside Mesa was completely covered in new subdivisions. Then I remembered that I was also a Midwesterner who moved there in 1978 when a lot more of Arizona was not yet covered in subdivisions…

155 RadicalModerate  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:26:10am

I’ll be damned if this wasn’t one of the bigger eye-opening infographic videos that I’ve seen in recent memory.
It shows in a very easy-to-understand format three interconnected graphics, two based on polling data, and one on actual numbers, the distribution of wealth in the United States, across the entire population.

The specifics of the presentation are as follows:
a) How Americans think that our distribution of wealth should look like,
b) How Americans think that our distribution of wealth does look like, and
c) How the distribution of wealth actually occurs.

156 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:26:53am

Republicans Take Credit For Violence Against Women Act After Voting Against It

Rep. Steve King (R-IA), a potential Senate candidate in 2014, said in a statement that he supported the bill because he understood “the importance of reauthorizing VAWA.”

“I supported this legislation because I know how important it is to empower women in difficult situations,” King said. “If a woman is at risk, she should know that she has a place to turn for support and assistance. I supported VAWA in 2005, 2012, and today I voted in support of the House version to see that victims of domestic violence and sexual assault have access to the resources and protection when they need it the most.”

What King didn’t mention is that he voted against House passage of VAWA. Instead he voted for a more modest Republican substitute, which failed. Had his final vote carried the day, VAWA would remain expired and its reauthorization in limbo today.

Same goes for Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-MO), who voted for the GOP version but against the final VAWA, and yet took credit for its passage.

“I am pleased to support efforts to protect all women in this country from domestic abuse and other forms of violence,” Hartzler said in a statement. “Violence against women, in all its forms, is unacceptable.”

157 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:27:56am

re: #144 wrenchwench

I left you something on Wednesday. Oh, look! It’s still there!

Thanks…I like that mobile. New job’s not bad, but open floorplan and an odd location for my desk doesn’t allow for much privacy…so I’m holding off on blogging from work for a bit. Besides, I’ve actually got a shitload of work to do and high visibility as I’m expected to, as the HR gal said, “Bring a level of maturity to the company.” Damn start ups.

158 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:30:56am

re: #143 Gus

Oh jeez. Looking at some web page. Person used a different name in 2010. Pretty nutty shit here.

I have a hard enough time with the clock change. I don’t think I could handle a name change. Notice I hardly ever change my ‘display name’?

159 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:31:15am

re: #156 Kragar (Antichrist )

Republicans Take Credit For Violence Against Women Act After Voting Against It

And this is surprising how?

160 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:31:27am

re: #147 Political Atheist

People dismiss adultery too easily. “Consenting adults” and all that. That’s fine for singles and open relationships. The consequences of real adultery, families split, home loss, damage to the young, mental anguish and the occasional violent murder don’t seem to dissuade many from putting sensation above sense. AFAIK consenting adults would should have the okay from both spouses. The consequences are felt by the whole family or families involved.

Note the focus on his career with guns and little mention of his actions with anothers wife. The guns are bad and the affair okay? Gimme a break, that’s just stupid. And telling.

Went back and read it and you’re correct. It’s a very black and white view of the even and simply used to castigate the NRA. It does not answer the question of the morality of the event. Yes, “Wayne LaPierre’s claim that, ‘the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.’” But that does not answer or address the reasoning or motivation of the murder. The jilted husband could have easily beaten the man to death with a baseball bat. He was not murdered because the other guy had a gun. People were being murdered long before the invention of the gun and to simply focus on a device is ignoring history and human evolution.

161 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:32:41am

re: #153 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

Not really following you here. Without the affair, there is little to no reason for the jealousy. Which is actually certainly known to inspire humans and at least some primates to get upset, sometimes to violence. The smart humanist thing to do is simply refrain. After all families and homes are at stake. Actions do have consequences.

162 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:35:06am

The man was an avid gun collector and was a gun show host spsonsered by the NRA thus proving that owning a gun won’t prevent you from being murdered!!

163 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:37:21am

re: #156 Kragar (Antichrist )

Republicans Take Credit For Violence Against Women Act After Voting Against It

These are the same guys who took credit for stimulus dollars showing up in their districts after voting against it. Consistency is not high on their list of virtues.

164 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:38:41am

re: #161 Political Atheist

Not really following you here. Without the affair, there is little to no reason for the jealousy.

People kill each other for jealousy unrelated to actual affairs all the time.

I do not give a shit about the guy’s jealousy. He murdered someone because of his hurt feelings. I don’t give a shit about him except to the extent that we should stop demonizing adultery to the point where people feel justified in this sort of response.

The smart humanist thing to do is simply refrain. After all families and homes are at stake. Actions do have consequences.

The consequence of adultery is not being murdered for it. That is purely and utterly the choice of the asshole doing the murdering.

165 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:40:09am

re: #162 Gus

The man was an avid gun collector and was a gun show hosted by the NRA thus proving that owning a gun won’t prevent you from being murdered!!

A gun won’t prevent you from being murdered.

Anyone getting ‘poetic justice’ out of this has something wrong with them. This guy died because of an asshole’s rage, and he deserves nothing but sympathy, as does his family and loved ones. He doesn’t deserve insinuations that he brought it on himself by having an affair, or insinuations he brought it on himself by working with guns for a living.

166 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:41:08am

re: #165 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

A gun won’t prevent you from being murdered.

Anyone getting ‘poetic justice’ out of this has something wrong with them. This guy died because of an asshole’s rage, and he deserves nothing but sympathy, as does his family and loved ones. He doesn’t deserve insinuations that he brought it on himself by having an affair, or insinuations he brought it on himself by working with guns for a living.

I agree. I took back my Retweet. I don’t want any part of that preachy black and white thinking.

167 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:43:58am

Kentucky ‘religious freedom’ bill would allow discrimination over birth control

“The Religious Freedom Act,” a bill created in response to the Affordable Care Act’s birth control coverage mandate, cleared Kentucky’s Senate Thursday night despite activists’ warning that it could topple years of civil rights progress in the state and “make discrimination legal.”

“[The] legislation could be used by an individual or entity under the guise of a ‘sincerely held religious belief’ to violate the constitutional and civil rights of other persons or organizations,” the Kentucky Commission on Human Rights warned on Tuesday. “In other words, it could make discrimination legal if the discrimination perpetrated is claimed to be due to ‘a sincerely held religious belief.’”

168 darthstar  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:45:12am

Whatever happened to “Don’t fuck my wife!” followed by, “Sorry…won’t happen again.”

169 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:45:59am

re: #147 Political Atheist

People dismiss adultery too easily. “Consenting adults” and all that. That’s fine for singles and open relationships. The consequences of real adultery, families split, home loss, damage to the young, mental anguish and the occasional violent murder don’t seem to dissuade many from putting sensation above sense. AFAIK consenting adults would or should have the okay from both spouses. The consequences are felt by the whole family or families involved.

Note the focus on his career with guns and little mention of his actions with anothers wife. The guns are bad and the affair okay? Gimme a break, that’s just stupid. And telling.

Well, you’ve got to remember that the media has their concerns. Focusing on the affair might be seen as overly socially conservative or ‘prudish’, whereas focusing on ‘evil guns’ fits the media tone of the current moment.

Note: Story focus like that is why many pro-gun people hate the mainstream media. Right-wing criticism of the MSM does have some basis in fact.

170 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:47:02am

re: #167 Kragar (Antichrist )

Kentucky ‘religious freedom’ bill would allow discrimination over birth control

I long for the day when “religious freedom” is recognized as the Orwellian Newspeak it is when used by Republicans to approve of discrimination and bigotry.

171 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:50:48am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

The affair didn’t cause the murder. The reaction to the affair did.

Right now there is a large push by the NRA and many in the GOP to declare that guns will keep you safe. We know this is not true, and I’m glad that so far we’ve only had a couple of scares— accidental weapon discharges— and no actual shootings from the silly, panicky reaction to suddenly gun-up the schools.

172 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:55:07am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

Well, you’ve got to remember that the media has their concerns. Focusing on the affair might be seen as overly socially conservative or ‘prudish’, whereas focusing on ‘evil guns’ fits the media tone of the current moment.

Note: Story focus like that is why many pro-gun people hate the mainstream media. Right-wing criticism of the MSM does have some basis in fact.

Think Progress is pretty open about their agenda(s). To claim they prove that ‘Right-wing criticism of the MSM does have some basis in fact’ is ridiculous. That’s like saying Rush Limbaugh proves the MSM has a right wing bias. If you look at the article linked at TP, you see a fact-based piece of writing that doesn’t even speculate about the jealous husband part. They lay out what is known and say the investigation is continuing.

173 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:55:16am

re: #167 Kragar (Antichrist )

Kentucky ‘religious freedom’ bill would allow discrimination over birth control

That wording will get it overturned as unconstitutional, this is just more of the political grandstanding that the GOP tries to pass off as governing

174 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:58:22am

re: #165 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

I hear you. We have to bring it back to behavior.

I just hesitate to unlink actions and results. Illlicit affairs put you and others in jeopardy. If only simply because you don’t know if you will face a violent asshole or a decent man that says “stop fucking my wife”. Increased odds of trouble. Decreased odds of a positive outcome.

Please nobody take this as advocacy to remove consenting adults. My point is not at all about the legal, it’s about the personal decisions we make, right and wrong. Sadly bad behavior abounds so we must live accordingly.

175 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:00:12am

re: #174 Political Atheist

I hear you. We have to bring it back to behavior.

I just hesitate to unlink actions and results. Illlicit affairs put you and others in jeopardy. If only simply because you don’t know if you will face a violent asshole or a decent man that says “stop fucking my wife”. Increased odds of trouble. Decreased odds of a positive outcome.

Please nobody take this as advocacy to remove consenting adults. My point is not at all about the legal, it’s about the personal decisions we make, right and wrong. Sadly bad behavior abounds so we must live accordingly.

You mean like don’t cheat on the wife of some crazy ass mother fucker or you might get burned? Like that?

176 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:01:12am

re: #175 Gus

You mean like don’t cheat on the wife of some crazy ass mother fucker or you might get burned? Like that?

Hah. Yeah like that.

177 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:02:05am

re: #176 Political Atheist

Hah. Yeah like that.

Avoid dark alleys.

178 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:04:27am

re: #171 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

The affair didn’t cause the murder. The reaction to the affair did.

Right now there is a large push by the NRA and many in the GOP to declare that guns will keep you safe. We know this is not true, and I’m glad that so far we’ve only had a couple of scares— accidental weapon discharges— and no actual shootings from the silly, panicky reaction to suddenly gun-up the schools.

I’m not disputing those things. I’m saying that media coverage of the murder that focuses on the fact that the victim hosted a hunting show and was killed with a gun seems to many pro-gun people intended to emphasize an ‘evil gun’ theme sometimes seen in the media. I myself believe that the lesson of the story is the perils of wronging others as grievously as he did.

Adultery is also disobeying God, in my eyes. I’m noy saying the law should account for that last; it shouldn’t. But that does influence how I regard a man who cuckolds another man.

179 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:04:28am

Don’t walk on ice.

180 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:04:42am

Caution, coffee is hot and may cause burns.

181 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:06:15am

re: #174 Political Atheist

I hear you. We have to bring it back to behavior.

I just hesitate to unlink actions and results. Illlicit affairs put you and others in jeopardy. If only simply because you don’t know if you will face a violent asshole or a decent man that says “stop fucking my wife”. Increased odds of trouble. Decreased odds of a positive outcome.

Please nobody take this as advocacy to remove consenting adults. My point is not at all about the legal, it’s about the personal decisions we make, right and wrong. Sadly bad behavior abounds so we must live accordingly.

Here’s another article about the case.

[…]

Greg G. Rodriguez, 43, of Sugar Land, Texas, was visiting Lindsey Bengtson at her mother’s home on River Lakes Parkway in Whitefish when her husband, Wayne Bengtson, 41, showed up.

“Mr. Rodriguez was up here on business, apparently, from what we have found out, and had stopped to talk with [Bengtson’s wife] for the evening and have a glass of wine,” Whitefish Police Chief Bill Dial said during a press conference Friday.

[…]

According to Dial, Bengtson’s wife said they had argued recently but not seriously, and there had been no indication that he would do anything like what he did Thursday.

Dial said it is also believed that the relationship between Bengtson’s wife and Rodriguez, who had met each other at a trade show, was purely professional, and the reason for the visit was to talk about a business-related project. Lindsey Bengtson works for a local firearms manufacturer.

“Perhaps the husband thought maybe it was more than that,” Dial said.

[…]

So would you say, ‘Don’t meet with a business associate at your mother’s house if he’s the opposite sex because your husband might go into a jealous rage and kill him’?

182 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:10:38am

re: #174 Political Atheist

I hear you. We have to bring it back to behavior.

I just hesitate to unlink actions and results. Illlicit affairs put you and others in jeopardy.
.

So do many licit relationships. Ex-husbands murder their wives and current boyfriends too.

Please nobody take this as advocacy to remove consenting adults. My point is not at all about the legal, it’s about the personal decisions we make, right and wrong. Sadly bad behavior abounds so we must live accordingly.

I don’t get what your point is at all. Yes, adultery is wrong, in most cases. It’s rarely the best choice, anyway. But the difference between the wrongness of adultery and the wrongness of murder is so vast that I don’t want to throw my hands up and say that bad behavior abounds, I want to push back against the stupid patriarchal bullshit we have in our society that leads to people murdering each other over affairs. It can never be perfect, obviously, but we glorify revenge far too much in this country and we hold adultery as ultimate treachery.

183 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:13:06am

Nah. It’s the NRA’s fault.

//re: #181 wrenchwench

Here’s another article about the case.

So would you say, ‘Don’t meet with a business associate at your mother’s house if he’s the opposite sex because your husband might go into a jealous rage and kill him’?

Another.

…She [Bengston’s wife] told investigators that Bengston entered the house, uttered a few vulgarities, and shot Rodriguez. Dial said Bengston fired at least four shots with a .44-caliber revolver from about three feet away, hitting Rodriguez in the torso, arm, shoulder and leg.

Rodriguez was not armed at the time, Dial said.

Police say Bengston then beat his wife “brutally,” likely pistol-whipping her, resulting in a concussion, various contusions and other “substantial” injuries. She was taken to the hospital, treated and released, Dial said.

After the beating, Bengston took the couple’s 2-year-old, who had been asleep downstairs when the shooting occurred, and fled the scene, Dial said.

The child was later left unharmed at Bengston’s relative’s residence in Columbia Heights, Dial said, and police do not believe the child witnessed the incident…

184 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:14:09am

re: #182 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

we glorify revenge far too much in this country and we hold adultery as ultimate treachery.

And there is still a residual view of one’s wife as one’s fief and property to be defended.

185 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:15:02am

This one I’ve just got to share:

Gun blog Everyday Firearms
links to another blog titled “The Armed Gentleman” to humorously make clear that ‘pro-gun’ ≠ ‘anti-gay’.

186 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:16:22am

re: #182 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

So do many licit relationships. Ex-husbands murder their wives and current boyfriends too.

I don’t get what your point is at all. Yes, adultery is wrong, in most cases. It’s rarely the best choice, anyway. But the difference between the wrongness of adultery and the wrongness of murder is so vast that I don’t want to throw my hands up and say that bad behavior abounds, I want to push back against the stupid patriarchal bullshit we have in our society that leads to people murdering each other over affairs. It can never be perfect, obviously, but we glorify revenge far too much in this country and we hold adultery as ultimate treachery.

This.

If it was because we are primates, the French attitude would be the same as the American attitude about adultery.

187 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:18:50am

re: #181 wrenchwench

Of course what I said above was based on what we read above. If it was just a murder and there was no affair, we still have no reason to drag the guys job or guns into it. Irrelevant. Some asshole got deadly violent.

I stand by what I said about adultery. I travel for work. And I have been out to meetings with customers that became good professional friendships. I also communicate those times and people to my wife. Dunno if good communication would have helped in this instance. But in general it has a shot.

188 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:21:19am

re: #185 Dark_Falcon

This one I’ve just got to share:

Gun blog Everyday Firearms
links to another blog titled “The Armed Gentleman” to humorously make clear that ‘pro-gun’ ≠ ‘anti-gay’.

One of my last neighbors was gay. He had two handguns in his apartment and disassembled AR-15. At least I think it was disassembled. He was rather pro-gun. Another neighbor, a Democrat and an Obama fan told me he had an arsenal. There’s the internet; and then there’s the real world.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:22:53am

Good afternoon lizards!

190 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:24:09am

re: #187 Political Atheist

Of course what I said above was based on what we read above. If it was just a murder and there was no affair, we still have no reason to drag the guys job or guns into it. Irrelevant. Some asshole got deadly violent.

I stand by what I said about adultery. I travel for work. And I have been out to meetings with customers that became good professional friendships. I also communicate those times and people to my wife. Dunno if good communication would have helped in this instance. But in general it has a shot.

So she’s still at fault here? Should have seen it coming?

The murder victim’s ‘job’, or his relationship to guns, is what brought him into contact with the murderer’s wife. And don’t they usually mention a deceased persons profession, along with the wife and two kids he left behind, in an article about how he died?

You and Dark are clearly uncomfortable with something about this case. It’s not the original source reporting about it, it’s Think Progress’s article that you’re responding to.

191 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:24:14am

Sean Hannity, Eric Bolling offer to pay for WH tours

The White House recently decided that amidst all the spending cuts falling into effect as a result of sequestration, official tours of the executive building will end for the time being. This has been met with much mockery by conservatives, and today Sean Hannity joined Fox News colleague Eric Bolling in a proposal to pay for one week’s worth of White House tours.

It started when Bolling made an offer earlier today on The Five to help offset the costs of the White House tours.

“Make you a deal. Jay Carney, grab a pencil. Let the families take the White House tours next week and I’ll cover the added expenses. The word is it’ll cost around $74,000. If I can get the White House doors open, I will pick up the tab. Mr. Carney, you know this is an offer you can’t refuse. Give me a call.”

Shortly after Bolling made the statement on his show, Hannity tweeted his support.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:24:57am
193 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:27:11am

Another time I was going to my local laundry and the owner, this old Chinese guy, was cleaning his 9 mm. I asked him what that was for. He said he was robbed once. Not sure if they shot him. I understood. While in SF I was in a drug store on Haight that got robbed after being there for 5 minutes. Heard a lot of screaming and all I saw was some guy running with handgun. I was like wow. Big murder trial starting in Denver. 3 men are accused of “killing and burning five people at Fero s Bar & Grill.” The five were stabbed to death.

194 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:28:04am

How’s life this day?

195 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:29:05am

My dad would always bring a 12 gauge and a rifle whenever we went on our camping/road trips. We’d camp out in mall parking lots sometimes. Once way deep in the South a bunch of cops gathered to shoot the shit. Bunch of good ol’ boys. They didn’t even bother us.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:30:15am

re: #192 NJDhockeyfan

Even funnier: The RPGs those Norks are carrying can’t even breach the side armor of an M1A2, nor the frontal armor of a late-model M2 Bradley. So in the event of war, Norks with RPGs are gonna have a very bad day.

197 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:30:16am

re: #190 wrenchwench

So she’s still at fault here? Should have seen it coming?

The murder victim’s ‘job’, or his relationship to guns, is what brought him into contact with the murderer’s wife. And don’t they usually mention a deceased persons profession, along with the wife and two kids he left behind, in an article about how he died?

You and Dark are clearly uncomfortable with something about this case. It’s not the original source reporting about it, it’s Think Progress’s article that you’re responding to.

It looks like there wasn’t an affair going on.

198 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:30:40am

Anywho. All I know is that it’s not the NRA’s fault.

199 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:31:29am

re: #178 Dark_Falcon

I’m not disputing those things. I’m saying that media coverage of the murder that focuses on the fact that the victim hosted a hunting show and was killed with a gun seems to many pro-gun people intended to emphasize an ‘evil gun’ theme sometimes seen in the media. I myself believe that the lesson of the story is the perils of wronging others as grievously as he did.

Adultery is also disobeying God, in my eyes. I’m noy saying the law should account for that last; it shouldn’t. But that does influence how I regard a man who cuckolds another man.

Adultery is disobeying God?

How about being true to one’s word?

What about simple respect for the person to whom you gave that word.

If a persons’s word is so worthless, one has to resort to “G-d” clearly, that person is not a candidate for marriage.

200 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:33:26am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Sean Hannity, Eric Bolling offer to pay for WH tours

Here’s a better suggestion, gentlemen: Get off the “deficit reduction” schtick and railing against higher taxation for the rich and perhaps there won’t be a need for budget cuts like those that ended the tours.

201 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:35:10am

re: #190 wrenchwench

So she’s still at fault here?

No, not what I said or meant.

Should have seen it coming?

Hell no, again not what I said or meant.

You and Dark are clearly uncomfortable with something about this case

Speaking for myself, not just one but two things. Adultery. As explained. Second-Scapegoating the job, the guns.

202 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:35:36am

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

What about simple respect for the person to whom you gave that word.

That is the heart of the matter, and especially in our society, thre is no longer the overwhelming societal pressure to marry first in order to cohabitate.

Nobody is making you take those vows.

203 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:36:35am

Just now.

Snow accumulating on large dying tree.

Hears thunk.

Panic.

204 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:37:36am

re: #203 Gus

I hope everything is okay.

205 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:38:30am

re: #204 PhillyPretzel

I hope everything is okay.

Me too. :O Wasn’t a very loud thunk. Could have been snow plopping on a car. I am going to suggest that that tree get cut down this year.

206 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:38:32am

re: #202 Sol Berdinowitz

That is the heart of the matter, and especially in our society, thre is no longer the overwhelming societal pressure to marry first in order to cohabitate.

Nobody is making you take those vows.

I’m so tired of G-d being used as an excuse.

I bet G-d is too!

207 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:38:34am

re: #203 Gus

Just now.

Snow accumulating on large dying tree.

Hears thunk.

Panic.

Just a big snow clump I hope?!@!

208 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:38:52am

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Even funnier: The RPGs those Norks are carrying can’t even breach the side armor of an M1A2, nor the frontal armor of a late-model M2 Bradley. So in the event of war, Norks with RPGs are gonna have a very bad day.

Yes but they still have those dangerous nukes aimed at the US.

209 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:39:00am

re: #207 Political Atheist

Just a big snow clump I hope?!@!

That was my second thought.

210 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:39:23am

re: #197 Gus

It looks like there wasn’t an affair going on.

I had an uncle who was so freaking jealous over his wife he made her change out of a blouse that was cut like a workshirt and was dark-colored and completely opaque. She had the next-to-the-top button closed, too. You could see her clavicle, though.

He died very young in a drunken street motorcycle race. She lived happily ever after, I think. I mean, she loved him and mourned him, but was nonetheless freed.

211 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:39:39am

re: #191 Eclectic Cyborg

Sean Hannity, Eric Bolling offer to pay for WH tours

IIRC, Hannity is a poor risk. Doesn’t he still owe a charity something over waterboarding?

212 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:40:17am

re: #202 Sol Berdinowitz

That is the heart of the matter, and especially in our society, thre is no longer the overwhelming societal pressure to marry first in order to cohabitate.

Nobody is making you take those vows.

Keeping promises is simply the more civilized way to live. When we can’t and break a promise, the right thing is make amends as you can. Marriage, business, friends.

213 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:40:24am

re: #208 NJDhockeyfan

Yes but they still have those dangerous nukes aimed at the US.

Yeah. We can joke but in the end North Korea is not a laughing matter.

214 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:42:03am

re: #213 Gus

Yeah. We can joke but in the end North Korea is not a laughing matter.

Two hours after we take him seriously, Pyongyang will disappear.

215 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:42:23am

re: #199 FemNaziBitch

Adultery is disobeying God?

How about being true to one’s word?

What about simple respect for the person to whom you gave that word.

If a persons’s word is so worthless, one has to resort to “G-d” clearly, that person is not a candidate for marriage.

I’m not arguing with you, those angles matter too. But sometimes one has to get the post out in a quick and short format and explanations get cut down along the way.

216 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:42:29am

As Security Crisis Deepens in Egypt After Verdict, Calls for a Military Coup

“Military rule was bad, but they would be better,” Ahmed Abdel Fattah, 50, said. “Where is the state? Where is the interior ministry, the government? Where are the decisions to protect the interests of the people?” He added: “The military should take over until the police are ready.”

Although such calls are hardly universal and there is no threat of an imminent coup, murmurs that military intervention may be the only solution to the collapse of public security can be heard across the country, in circles opposed to the Islamists who have dominated post-Mubarak elections. The talk reflects the dire state of the security crisis, which threatens not only Egypt’s transition to democracy but also its hopes to stave off economic collapse. And here in Port Said, a focal point of the widening crisis since the police lost control more than a month ago, a form of local military takeover has already taken place.

217 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:43:04am
218 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:43:15am

re: #201 Political Atheist

Speaking for myself, not just one but two things. Adultery. As explained.

Apparently there was no adultery.

Second-Scapegoating the job, the guns.

Should they just say, “He had a job”? Should they say, “He was killed by a small projectile”?

I don’t see any ‘scapegoating’. I see an agenda at TP, that’s their reason for being, and I see factual reporting at the original sources.

219 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:45:08am

re: #213 Gus

Yeah. We can joke but in the end North Korea is not a laughing matter.

You got that right. That little shit told his troops on the SK border that they can shoot first. What could possible go wrong?

220 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:45:25am

morning cuteness

scroll down

221 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:45:32am

re: #210 wrenchwench

I had an uncle who was so freaking jealous over his wife he made her change out of a blouse that was cut like a workshirt and was dark-colored and completely opaque. She had the next-to-the-top button closed, too. You could see her clavicle, though.

He died very young in a drunken street motorcycle race. She lived happily ever after, I think. I mean, she loved him and mourned him, but was nonetheless freed.

Racing a motorcycle while drunk is stupid. If done without a helmet, it’s a Darwin Award nomination.

222 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:45:45am

re: #217 Gus

Right. That’ll help. Not.

Probably not. Although the revolution will have to be redone at some point I don’t see any indication that election results would be significantly different. The islamists would just steamroll over everybody in drafting a new constitution again and we’d be right back where we started.

223 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:45:54am

re: #219 NJDhockeyfan

You got that right. That little shit told his troops on the SK border that they can shoot first. What could possible go wrong?

And Japan. But I know what Anonymous is doing. There’s a motive in trying to make this a laughing matter.

224 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:47:39am

WTF

Pakistan is a freaking mess.

225 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:47:46am

re: #220 FemNaziBitch

morning cuteness

scroll down

River otters are very cool. They are a perennial crowd pleaser in GGT and my neck of the woods, exhibited in both Lincoln Park and Brookfield Zoos.

226 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:48:01am

Meanwhile in Pakistan: AP PHOTOS: Mob in Pakistan torches Christian homes

Hundreds of people in the eastern Pakistani city of Lahore ransacked a Christian neighborhood Saturday and torched dozens of homes after hearing reports that a Christian man had committed blasphemy against Islam’s prophet.

227 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:48:11am

re: #221 Dark_Falcon

Racing a motorcycle while drunk is stupid. If done without a helmet, it’s a Darwin Award nomination.

Sad but true.

The ones who suffered were his wife and two year old, and my cousin who was racing against him. He stayed drunk during and for a couple of years after the funeral, but AFAIK has been sober for decades now.

228 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:48:56am

There was another incident involving blasphemy. So what good is our presence there even doing if so much of the local population is just as radicalized as the Taliban?

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:49:28am

re: #224 Gus

WTF

Pakistan is a freaking mess.

Even their wingnuts are worse (ours just DERP on Twitter when they hear crazy rumors).

230 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:51:38am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Even their wingnuts are worse (ours just DERP on Twitter when they hear crazy rumors).

I don’t agree. Our Law Enforcement and Judicial System is better, they end-up in SuperMax.

231 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:51:56am

A large crowd from a nearby mosque went to the Christian man’s home on Friday night, said Khan. Police registered a blasphemy case against the man after the crowd gathered and demanded action, the officer said.
Mob torches dozens of Pakistani Christian homes

Fearing for their safety, hundreds of Christian families fled the area overnight.

Khan said the mob returned on Saturday and began ransacking Christian homes and setting them ablaze. He said no one in the Christian community was hurt, but several policemen were injured when they were hit with stones as they tried to keep the crowd from storming the area.

But Akram Gill, a local bishop in the Lahore Christian community said the incident had more to do with personal enmity between two men - one Christian and one Muslim - than blasphemy. He said the men got into a brawl after drinking late one night, and in the morning the Muslim man made up the blasphemy story as payback.

It would be comical if it wasn’t so dangerous and just plain sad.

232 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:52:48am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Even their wingnuts are worse (ours just DERP on Twitter when they hear crazy rumors).

Meanwhile the Sunnis have been attacking Shias. The government does nothing.

233 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:54:48am

Our Whackos are gaining power —while complaing that we live in a Police State. Well, they are the reason.

234 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:56:09am

Heh.

235 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:56:21am

SNAFU

236 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:56:28am
So when Mr. Blackwell says that the weight of scientific evidence does not prove that same-sex parents are as capable as opposite-sex parents in the raising of children, he is clearly not being truthful. Not even a little bit.

Do me a favor, folks. Don’t shake your head, suck your teeth and go “there they go again” at yet another time you have seen the Family Research Council blatantly lie about the gay community. Demand that more time and knowledge be invested in uncovering how organizations like FRC distort science or push blatant lies against the lgbt community.

Organizations like the Family Research Council don’t rely on truth. They rely on repetition. They repeat a point while deliberately ignoring the simple fact that the point has been refuted by those who know better.

Science NOT Superstition

237 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:57:03am

re: #235 Gus

SNAFU

How are things on the job front?

238 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:57:27am

re: #237 FemNaziBitch

How are things on the job front?

I’m still hobbling here.

239 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:57:53am

re: #218 wrenchwench

TP has more loyalty to their agenda than reality. The routine mention of time place and circumstance is what news contains. Scapegoating is what advocates statements often contain at least implicitly. Newsy blogs with agendas. Meh. The more loyal to reality and less partisan the more likely I am to read there.

240 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 9:58:59am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

A large crowd from a nearby mosque went to the Christian man’s home on Friday night, said Khan. Police registered a blasphemy case against the man after the crowd gathered and demanded action, the officer said.
Mob torches dozens of Pakistani Christian homes

It would be comical if it wasn’t so dangerous and just plain sad.

The cherry on top is that in this case, unlike others we’ve seen, the police did do their jobs and worked to prevent violence and destruction. For their attention to duty they got pelted with rocks.

Being a cop oftentimes sucks.

241 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:01:02am

re: #231 Killgore Trout

A large crowd from a nearby mosque went to the Christian man’s home on Friday night, said Khan. Police registered a blasphemy case against the man after the crowd gathered and demanded action, the officer said.
Mob torches dozens of Pakistani Christian homes

It would be comical if it wasn’t so dangerous and just plain sad.

AP reports:

But Akram Gill, a local bishop in the Lahore Christian community said the incident had more to do with personal enmity between two men — one Christian and one Muslim — than blasphemy. He said the men got into a brawl after drinking late one night, and in the morning the Muslim man made up the blasphemy story as payback.

242 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:01:51am

re: #241 Gus

AP reports:

in a country in which they aren’t supposed to drink? Am I getting that right?

243 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:02:22am

re: #239 Political Atheist

TP has more loyalty to their agenda than reality. The routine mention of time place and circumstance is what news contains. Scapegoating is what advocates statements often contain at least implicitly. Newsy blogs with agendas. Meh. The more loyal to reality and less partisan the more likely I am to read there.

So you don’t like TP. So what. Doesn’t make the ‘MSM’ guilty of ‘scapegoating’ guns.

244 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:02:38am

re: #242 FemNaziBitch

in a country in which they aren’t supposed to drink? Am I getting that right?

Weird, right.

245 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:03:45am

So blasphemy is worse than breaking the law on alcohol.

Lesson: don’t get drunk and break the commandments in Pakistan.

246 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:06:22am

re: #234 NJDhockeyfan

Heh.

like everywhere else there are humans, in Iran, some animals are more equal than others.

247 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:07:28am

re: #244 Gus

[I think closing the Page is letting him off the hook. On the other hand, it shuts down some obnoxious spewing. I have mixed feelings. And his comment on my clipboard, for the moment…]

248 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:07:56am
249 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:07:57am

re: #214 Decatur Deb

Two hours after we take him seriously, Pyongyang will disappear.

Disagree. Not unless we’ve talked to China, South Korea, and Japan first.

SK will probably have no problem. Japan is in the fallout cone. And China still uses NK for the occasional sock puppetry - not to mention still has some face in protecting them.

fwiw, I’ve got a wild hair suggestion about what to do about NK. Still requires China to let us do it, but…
1) Smash the rocket launch facility. Conventional bombs/cruise missiles will be sufficient.
2) Start a “cook’s march” and keep it fully supplied.

The cook’s march would be a moving line of cooks - little mama’s, amateur backyard experts, and pros - prepping tasty treats. Move a quarter- to half-day, set up, bake and cook an open feast. Just turn in your guns if you’re armed, grab a bowl and a spoon, and move along. Give the line air cover - you can’t smell a feast at 30,000 feet - but make sure you send lots of coverage (dropsheets and radio) announcing it’s coming.

Won’t work as written, but I keep feeling as though it’s got some possibilities given what North Korea’s economy and food structure is like.

250 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:08:55am

Chimney fitted on Sistine Chapel roof for pope election

I’m confused, how did they elect Benedict without a Chimney?

251 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:09:17am

re: #247 wrenchwench

[I think closing the Page is letting him off the hook. On the other hand, it shuts down some obnoxious spewing. I have mixed feelings. And his comment on my clipboard, for the moment…]

You’re spying on me! Nah. I’m going to leave it closed. Don’t want to fall under any temptation to getting out of line and getting into some dumb flame war. I don’t know what his problem is. Maybe he’s going through some rough times.

252 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:09:40am

re: #243 wrenchwench

So you don’t like TP. So what. Doesn’t make the ‘MSM’ guilty of ‘scapegoating’ guns.

Maybe not this time.

253 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:10:31am

re: #246 FemNaziBitch

like everywhere else there are humans, in Iran, some animals are more equal than others.

I expect the Mullahs are going to make Dinnerjacket get escorted by the moral police when he leaves the country from now on.

254 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:11:06am

re: #252 Political Atheist

Maybe not this time.

Fake but accurate?

255 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:11:16am

re: #249 kirkspencer

Disagree. Not unless we’ve talked to China, South Korea, and Japan first.

SK will probably have no problem. Japan is in the fallout cone. And China still uses NK for the occasional sock puppetry - not to mention still has some face in protecting them.

fwiw, I’ve got a wild hair suggestion about what to do about NK. Still requires China to let us do it, but…
1) Smash the rocket launch facility. Conventional bombs/cruise missiles will be sufficient.
2) Start a “cook’s march” and keep it fully supplied.

The cook’s march would be a moving line of cooks - little mama’s, amateur backyard experts, and pros - prepping tasty treats. Move a quarter- to half-day, set up, bake and cook an open feast. Just turn in your guns if you’re armed, grab a bowl and a spoon, and move along. Give the line air cover - you can’t smell a feast at 30,000 feet - but make sure you send lots of coverage (dropsheets and radio) announcing it’s coming.

Won’t work as written, but I keep feeling as though it’s got some possibilities given what North Korea’s economy and food structure is like.

No, if North Korea fired a nuke at US forces or at the US, at a minimum we’ve nuke wherever the nuke was launched from. We’d tell China the nuke was coming, but we wouldn’t ask permission.

256 Killgore Trout  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:11:49am

re: #245 FemNaziBitch

So blasphemy is worse than breaking the law on alcohol.

Lesson: don’t get drunk and break the commandments in Pakistan.

I’m pretty sure alcohol is legal in Pakistan. Although observant Muslims aren’t supposed to drink most of them do.

257 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:12:04am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

Chimney fitted on Sistine Chapel roof for pope election

I’m confused, how did they elect Benedict without a Chimney?

It’s a temporary stove placed in the chapel only for conclaves.

258 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:13:41am

re: #250 FemNaziBitch

Chimney fitted on Sistine Chapel roof for pope election

I’m confused, how did they elect Benedict without a Chimney?

The chimney is only placed on the chapel for conclaves. It’s not a normal feature of the building.

259 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:15:29am

re: #254 wrenchwench

Huh? I commented each step with the information as given. If adultery was not in play here, fine yet everything I said about it still stands up just fine.

Why you read some misogyny into my comments about good communication in a marriage is really puzzling to me.Seems a sensible thing to me. I do not understand your objections to what I wrote. You seem to be reading some erroneous message between the lines.

260 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:15:40am

Dogfish is a good one.

261 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:15:50am

re: #258 Dark_Falcon

The chimney is only placed on the chapel for conclaves. It’s not a normal feature of the building.

Heh. Nate Silver has placed my old roommate at #13 in the Vatican sweepstakes.

262 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:17:14am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Heh. Nate Silver has placed my old roommate at #13 in the Vatican sweepstakes.

What happend at the frat house stays at the frat house!
;-)>

263 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:17:49am

re: #262 Political Atheist

What happend at the frat house stays at the frat house!
;-)>

I couldda been a contendah.

264 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:18:27am

re: #261 Decatur Deb

Heh. Nate Silver has placed my old roommate at #13 in the Vatican sweepstakes.

If my old roomie were 13th in the sweepstakes, oh man. Of course, he’d be saying the same thing about me.

265 Political Atheist  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:19:19am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Why would we use a nuke? Speed?

266 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:19:53am

re: #265 Political Atheist

Why would we use a nuke? Speed?

Emphasis.

267 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:23:45am

re: #259 Political Atheist

Huh? I commented each step with the information as given. If adultery was not in play here, fine yet everything I said about it still stands up just fine.

Why you read some misogyny into my comments about good communication in a marriage is really puzzling to me.Seems a sensible thing to me. I do not understand your objections to what I wrote. You seem to be reading some erroneous message between the lines.

I agree that adultery is bad. I don’t think it ever was the salient point about this murder, even when you thought there was adultery involved. I don’t read misogyny into your comments about good communication. I see your comments about what might have prevented this or situations like it as blaming the behavior of the victims instead of just blaming the guy who did the shooting.

The ‘fake but accurate’ remark had nothing to do with the adultery issue. It had to do with your claiming that guns were being scapegoated in this story, just because there were guns in the story. If I convinced you that I was right about that not being the case, your only acknowledgement of that is that I might be right this time, but in general your observation is the right one. That is, you are accurate even if wrong in this case.

268 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:23:48am

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

No, if North Korea fired a nuke at US forces or at the US, at a minimum we’ve nuke wherever the nuke was launched from. We’d tell China the nuke was coming, but we wouldn’t ask permission.

I didn’t think “take him seriously” meant he fired a nuke at us. Yes, if it gets to that point a return nuke is possible.

It is still not, however, a certainty. The first word is “fallout”, and the issue is Japan. There are also issues of political repercussions.

We would go to war with North Korea - no doubt. We’d go in to finish the Korean war. But I’m not convinced we’d use a nuke to do it.

269 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:25:31am

re: #265 Political Atheist

Why would we use a nuke? Speed?

Reciprocity. You use a nuke on us, we nuke you in reprisal. Long standing doctrinal principal going back to the Cold War. It’s problematic if the nuking was done by a terrorist entity, but with North Korea they have actual territory that can be smashed.

270 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:26:02am

re: #267 wrenchwench

I agree that adultery is bad. I don’t think it ever was the salient point about this murder, even when you thought there was adultery involved. I don’t read misogyny into your comments about good communication. I see your comments about what might have prevented this or situations like it as blaming the behavior of the victims instead of just blaming the guy who did the shooting.

The ‘fake but accurate’ remark had nothing to do with the adultery issue. It had to do with your claiming that guns were being scapegoated in this story, just because there were guns in the story. If I convinced you that I was right about that not being the case, your only acknowledgement of that is that I might be right this time, but in general your observation is the right one. That is, you are accurate even if wrong in this case.

Exactly! There is no more pater familias or mater familias. Marriage is not ownership.

271 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:26:32am

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Reciprocity. You use a nuke on us, we nuke you in reprisal. Long standing doctrinal principal going back to the Cold War. It’s problematic if the nuking was done by a terrorist entity, but with North Korea they have actual territory that can be smashed.

I don’t see us using nukes.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:29:04am

re: #268 kirkspencer

I didn’t think “take him seriously” meant he fired a nuke at us. Yes, if it gets to that point a return nuke is possible.

It is still not, however, a certainty. The first word is “fallout”, and the issue is Japan. There are also issues of political repercussions.

We would go to war with North Korea - no doubt. We’d go in to finish the Korean war. But I’m not convinced we’d use a nuke to do it.

I actually don’t think we’d go to finish the war. I think we’d shoot their military, decapitate their leadership, and then let China find them new rulers.

Finishing the Korean War would leave us stuck with paying a large part of the cost of reconstructing North Korea and both the US and South Korea would rather not pay that cost.

273 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:31:56am

re: #269 Dark_Falcon

Reciprocity. You use a nuke on us, we nuke you in reprisal. Long standing doctrinal principal going back to the Cold War. It’s problematic if the nuking was done by a terrorist entity, but with North Korea they have actual territory that can be smashed.

Heh, I’d say it goes back a little farther than that:

Code of Hammurabi

The Code of Hammurabi is a well-preserved Babylonian law code, dating back to about 1772 BC. It is one of the oldest deciphered writings of significant length in the world. The sixth Babylonian king, Hammurabi, enacted the code, and partial copies exist on a human-sized stone stele and various clay tablets. The Code consists of 282 laws, with scaled punishments, adjusting “an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth” (lex talionis) as graded depending on social status, of slave versus free man.

274 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:34:17am

re: #91 Romantic Heretic

Sigh. I hate that my first impulse was to laugh. I’m such a sick puppy sometimes.

For this badly thought out, and very stupid post I wish to apologize most profusely


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