Wingnuts Raging at John Brennan for Not Swearing on a Bible

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Vice President Joe Biden swears in CIA Director John Brennan in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, March 8, 2013. Members of Brennan’s family stand with him. Brennan was sworn in with his hand on an original draft of the Constitution, dating from 1787, which has George Washington’s personal handwriting and annotations on it. (Official White House Photo by David Lienemann)

The latest ludicrous right wing anti-Obama talking point, brought to you by the Weekly Standard’s Daniel Halper (as so many of them are): No Bible for Brennan Swearing in.

John Brennan was sworn in today at the White House. He was confirmed as the new CIA director yesterday.

“Brennan was sworn in with his hand on an original draft of the Constitution, dating from 1787, which has George Washington’s personal handwriting and annotations on it,” according to the White House. He does not appear to have placed his hand on a Bible, a Torah, a Koran, or other sacred religious text as he said the oath.

GASP! No Bible? The horror!

You know, last time I checked, the Constitution specifically says that the federal government is not supposed to be in the business of endorsing religion. I look forward to the day when no politician ever feels compelled by thin-skinned religious fanatics to swear on a Bible, or any other “sacred religious text.”

But wait — the outrage isn’t finished yet!

UPDATE: empywheel.net notices that this Constitution lacks a Bill of Rights: “That means, when Brennan vowed to protect and defend the Constitution, he was swearing on one that did not include the First, Fourth, Fifth, or Sixth Amendments — or any of the other Amendments now included in our Constitution. The Bill of Rights did not become part of our Constitution until 1791, 4 years after the Constitution that Brennan took his oath on.”

I suppose if you’re the kind of person who thinks swearing an oath on a Bible imbues the oath with magical power, swearing on a historic copy of the Constitution without the Bill of Rights means that John Brennan is now magically committed to destroying America.

Seriously — what the hell is wrong with these people?

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123 comments
1 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:20:48am
Seriously — what the hell is wrong with these people?

Do you want that list alphabetically or categorically?

2 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:22:34am

They’re mad that Brennan was sworn in on an original copy of the Constitution? Okay, I give up people. To steal from a quote commonly attributed to Tom Lehrer, political satire is dead.

3 Kronocide  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:23:12am

CHRISTIAN.OPPRESSION.

4 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:24:22am

We have a good friend with that name. I have to do a double-take everytime I see it in the news lately. :)

5 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:25:12am

And who cares if he didn’t swear in on a Bible. This country wasn’t founded because of the Bible. It was founded based on secular ideas and your religious or lack of religious beliefs shouldn’t matter. I swear these people want a theocracy. Forget Shariah, I worry more about a Christian theocracy.

6 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:26:07am

What they want is an evangelical Pope of America to officiate at all swearing in ceremonies, and cast out all unbelievers of whatever the One True Religion of the moment is.

7 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:26:26am

Those wigging out over his not swearing on a Bible but on the Constitution instead might do well to review that hallowed document that they were taking turns rubbing themselves all back in ‘11, specifically Article VI, Paragraph 3:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:27:03am
UPDATE: Empywheel.net notices that this Constitution lacks a Bill of Rights: “That means, when Brennan vowed to protect and defend the Constitution, he was swearing on one that did not include the First, Fourth, Fifth, or Sixth Amendments — or any of the other Amendments now included in our Constitution. The Bill of Rights did not become part of our Constitution until 1791, 4 years after the Constitution that Brennan took his oath on.”

Um…then shouldn’t we be more scandalized by people that swear in on a religious document that contains zero Bill of Rights?

Or is this magic formula only applicable to secular documents?

9 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:28:08am

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (religiously unaffiliated) was sworn in using a copy of the constitution. No one cares about this shit anymore save a handful of wretched internet creatures. Of course they’ll say “this proves that he’s a secret Muslim!” Wouldn’t he use a Koran if he was a real Muslim? Maybe he did this because he could and more or less “felt like it.”

10 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:28:16am

re: #5 FriendsofHummus

And who cares if he didn’t swear in on a Bible. This country wasn’t founded because of the Bible. It was founded based on secular ideas and your religious or lack of religious beliefs shouldn’t matter. I swear these people want a theocracy. Forget Shariah, I worry more about a Christian theocracy.

Point of interest: when I swore my oaths of office (Enlisted army, officer army, state of colorado employee) I did not have my hand on a bible or any other document. IIRC it isn’t required in courts when swearing in witnesses, either.

11 Ming  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:28:44am

From Wikipedia, quoting Article VI, paragraph 3, “The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”

That’s how things are in my country, the United States of America.

12 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:29:14am

re: #9 Gus

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (religiously unaffiliated) was sworn in using a copy of the constitution. No one cares about this shit anymore save a handful of wretched internet creatures. Of course they’ll say “this proves that he’s a secret Muslim!” Wouldn’t he use a Koran if he was a real Muslim? Maybe he did this because he could and more or less “felt like it.”

Is being an athiest worse than being a muslim?

13 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:30:04am

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Is being an athiest worse than being a muslim?

Not sure. Used to be. But it’s OK to be a famous right wing atheist thinker or writer.

14 FemNaziBitch  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:30:10am

bbiab

15 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:30:16am

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Is being an athiest worse than being a muslim?

Depends who you ask. You know what bothers me even if this country gets over anti-Muslim paranoia, there’s still paranoia and stigma directed at non-believers.

16 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:30:45am

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Is being an athiest worse than being a muslim?

According to a lot of polls, yes.

At least Muslims have a moral code of some sort.


(sigh)

17 Skip Intro  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:30:46am

re: #12 FemNaziBitch

Is being an athiest worse than being a muslim?

Can I have some time to think about that before answering?

18 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:31:28am

Theodore Roosevelt did not use a Bible when taking the oath in 1901.

19 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:31:48am

I haven’t decided which text I would prefer to be sworn in on…a copy of Carl Sagan’s COSMOS or a copy of The Lord of the Rings. Both are pretty sacred to me.

20 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:31:54am

re: #13 Gus

Not sure. Used to be. But it’s OK to be a famous right wing atheist thinker or writer.

See Rand, Ayn.

21 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:32:13am

John Quincy Adams swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution.

22 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:32:21am

re: #16 kirkspencer

According to a lot of polls, yes.


(sigh)

Yeah it seems that many theists agree, “Well at least so and so believes in a God or (if you want to bring the Hindus into the discussion) Gods.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:33:05am

re: #19 Tigger2005

I haven’t decided which text I would prefer to be sworn in on…a copy of Carl Sagan’s COSMOS or a copy of The Lord of the Rings. Both are pretty sacred to me.

LotR wouldn’t create a freakout, since you could just claim that terrorists were like orcs and you’d used LotR to swear to kill them all.

/kinda

24 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:33:46am

Gotcha!

25 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:34:00am

re: #19 Tigger2005

I haven’t decided which text I would prefer to be sworn in on…a copy of Carl Sagan’s COSMOS or a copy of The Lord of the Rings. Both are pretty sacred to me.

I’m thinking Total Baseball for me. Even got to meet one of the guys who edited that and tell him how at 8 years old I used to drive my parents nuts by always getting at the library.

26 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:34:21am

Presidential Oath of Office

Administered to John Quincy Adams by the Honorable John Marshall, Chief Justice of the United States.

Bible Used: According to his own version of his Inauguration, Adams took the oath upon a volume of law.

Attire: Black “homespun” suit

27 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:35:26am

Some presidents. I think it was our two Quakers- Nixon and Hoover who affirmed rather than swore an oath.

28 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:36:24am

re: #27 FriendsofHummus

Some presidents. I think it was our two Quakers- Nixon and Hoover who affirmed rather than swore an oath.

Richard Nixon, who was also a Quaker, also swore, rather than affirm.

I’ve been looking in Oath of office of the President of the United States

29 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:37:05am

I believe many members of Congress are sworn in on the Jefferson Bible. I wonder if they’re aware that this is an edited version, and Jefferson removed all references to Jesus’s miracles and deity?

30 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:37:53am

re: #28 Gus

Richard Nixon, who was also a Quaker, also swore, rather than affirm.

I’ve been looking in Oath of office of the President of the United States

Interesting stuff.

31 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:38:35am

re: #9 Gus

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (religiously unaffiliated) was sworn in using a copy of the constitution. No one cares about this shit anymore save a handful of wretched internet creatures. Of course they’ll say “this proves that he’s a secret Muslim!” Wouldn’t he use a Koran if he was a real Muslim? Maybe he did this because he could and more or less “felt like it.”

Um, no, because…TAQIYYAH!!11! Sheesh, get with the program, Gus. //

32 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:38:45am

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

LotR wouldn’t create a freakout, since you could just claim that terrorists were like orcs and you’d used LotR to swear to kill them all.

/kinda

Plus Iluvatar/Eru is mentioned in the books, so the god part is covered.

33 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:39:44am

Theodore Roosevelt
Oath of Office

Administered to Theodore Roosevelt by the Honorable John R. Hazel, U.S. District Judge of the Western District of New York.

Bible Used: No Bible used
Attire: Unknown

34 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:41:45am

re: #32 Tigger2005

Plus Iluvatar/Eru is mentioned in the books, so the god part is covered.

The Silmarillion might be even better. That’s like The Hobbit/The Lord of the Rings’ Old Testament. Iluvatar gets to do some mighty righteous destruction in The Akallabeth.

35 jaunte  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:42:03am

re: #29 Tigger2005

I believe many members of Congress are sworn in on the Jefferson Bible. I wonder if they’re aware that this is an edited version, and Jefferson removed all references to Jesus’s miracles and deity?

Jefferson was not sworn in on an original bible? Unpossible!

36 CuriousLurker  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:43:41am

re: #29 Tigger2005

I believe many members of Congress are sworn in on the Jefferson Bible. I wonder if they’re aware that this is an edited version, and Jefferson removed all references to Jesus’s miracles and deity?

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that.

37 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:43:58am

re: #33 Gus

Theodore Roosevelt
Oath of Office

Administered to Theodore Roosevelt by the Honorable John R. Hazel, U.S. District Judge of the Western District of New York.

Bible Used: No Bible used
Attire: Unknown

Well, that one was done on short notice after William McKinley succumbed to his wounds.

38 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:45:08am

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Well, that one was done on short notice after William McKinley succumbed to his wounds.

TR was a RINO.

39 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:45:57am

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Well, that one was done on short notice after William McKinley succumbed to his wounds.

It was, yes. Harding’s sudden death is why Coolidge was sworn in by his father.

40 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:46:41am

re: #36 CuriousLurker

Interesting. I wasn’t aware of that.

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41 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:46:47am

re: #38 Decatur Deb

TR was a RINO.

The GOP of his time didn’t think so. They were very happy to have his support in 1916-1918.

42 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:47:09am
March 4, 1821 Ninth Inaugural Ceremonies James Monroe Unknown
March 4, 1817 Eighth Inaugural Ceremonies James Monroe Unknown
March 4, 1813 Seventh Inaugural Ceremonies James Madison Unknown
March 4, 1809 Sixth Inaugural Ceremonies James Madison Unknown
March 4, 1805 Fifth Inaugural Ceremonies Thomas Jefferson Unknown
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March 4, 1797 Third Inaugural Ceremonies John Adams Unknown
March 4, 1793 Second Inaugural Ceremonies George Washington Unknown
43 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:47:28am

[Link: www.rawstory.com…]
Oh for fuck sakes. Seriously, why do some people care so much about the in this case the lack of religious beliefs of others?

44 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:48:29am

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

The GOP of his time didn’t think so. They were very happy to have his support in 1916-1918.

BMINO?

45 Lidane  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:48:42am
Seriously — what the hell is wrong with these people?

The sun will explode before we can even get close to answering that.

46 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:48:55am

re: #42 Gus

Man we’ve had a lot of Muslim presidents.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:50:21am

re: #39 FriendsofHummus

It was, yes. Harding’s sudden death is why Coolidge was sworn in by his father.

Coolidge was sworn in on a Bible belonging to his father as well, a Bible used to teach him when he was a boy.

48 Tigger2005  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:50:27am

re: #45 Lidane

The sun will explode before we can even get close to answering that.

Maybe not, if we Manhattan-Project it.

49 Lidane  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:51:19am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

See Rand, Ayn.

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

50 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:51:48am

re: #44 Decatur Deb

BMINO?

It’s actually kind of interesting. I read a book about the 1912 election. TR actually had a lot of enemies within his party. It’s actually the reason why he was selected for VP because apparently the boss of the NY state GOP wanted TR away from New York so he suggested that TR be McKinley’s running mate in 1900 since McKinley’s first VP, Hobart had died in office. Little did they know. Anyhow, that’s why VP selections are so important. It’s why we look back now and know FDR made the right choice going with Truman over James Brynes (a segregationist) and Henry Wallace (very naive about the USSR). And it’s also why I will continue to criticize McCain for Palin even though they’re not in office.

51 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:52:49am

Half the stuff in the bible is unconstitutional. Rough estimate. A lot of it would get you 20 to life. Irony. :D

52 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:52:59am

re: #49 Lidane

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

It’s not even that she was an atheist. She detested religion. Of course,they’d be horrified at her saying the state shouldn’t be limiting gay rights or abortion rights either.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:53:17am

re: #49 Lidane

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

Well, crossing the streams was effective in defeating Gozer. :D

54 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:53:29am

re: #49 Lidane

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

Cognitive dissonance much, Republicans?

55 Lidane  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:53:38am

re: #19 Tigger2005

I haven’t decided which text I would prefer to be sworn in on…a copy of Carl Sagan’s COSMOS or a copy of The Lord of the Rings. Both are pretty sacred to me.

A Brief History of Time would be amazing. So would using anything by Dawkins.

Of course, I’d probably find something by the Dalai Lama or Thich Nhat Hanh just to see heads go ‘splodey.

56 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:53:39am

re: #46 wrenchwench

Man we’ve had a lot of Muslim presidents.

There’s moar!

April 6, 1841 Swearing-In of Vice President John Tyler after the death of President William H. Harrison John Tyler Unknown
March 4, 1841 Fourteenth Inaugural Ceremonies William H. Harrison Unknown
March 4, 1837 Thirteenth Inaugural Ceremonies Martin Van Buren Unknown
March 4, 1833 Twelfth Inaugural Ceremonies Andrew Jackson Unknown
March 4, 1829 Eleventh Inaugural Ceremonies Andrew Jackson Unknown

57 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:54:02am

re: #43 FriendsofHummus

[Link: www.rawstory.com…]
Oh for fuck sakes. Seriously, why do some people care so much about the in this case the lack of religious beliefs of others?

Seriously? Because there are some people who honestly believe that if you don’t have guidance you can’t have a moral code. While the Christian guidance is best, the others are tolerable.

Because there are some people who believe that the only way people will care about others is if they’re forced to do so by a higher power.

58 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:54:18am

re: #49 Lidane

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

The character John Galt is supposed to be an atheist.

59 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:54:26am

re: #49 Lidane

Which is hilarious because the same greedy GOP assholes spouting Randian bullshit are also claiming to be evangelical Christians. How can you possibly reconcile that without crossing the streams?

Not reading the Bible while having an authority figure tell What It Really Says is an excellent start.

Then again, I suspect their approach to Rand is exactly as shallow.

61 calochortus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:56:27am

re: #19 Tigger2005

I haven’t decided which text I would prefer to be sworn in on…a copy of Carl Sagan’s COSMOS or a copy of The Lord of the Rings. Both are pretty sacred to me.

Hmmm, I’d have to go with Knitting in the Old Way or Landscaping with Herbs not necessarily because of specific content, but because they changed my approach to designing knitted garments and designing gardens, respectively.

62 calochortus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:57:17am

re: #57 kirkspencer

Because there are some people who believe that the only way people will care about others is if they’re forced to do so by a higher power.

Which seems to indicate that they are merely pretending to care about others.

63 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:57:27am

Founding father and The well admired President John Quincy Adams did not use a bible but a book of law instead.

CIA chief John Brennan did not use a bible either but the original draft of the Constitution.

Conclusion?

STFU already.

Edit.

64 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:58:32am

re: #55 Lidane

A Brief History of Time would be amazing. So would using anything by Dawkins.

Of course, I’d probably find something by the Dalai Lama or Thich Nhat Hanh just to see heads go ‘splodey.

If I wanted to see their heads explode, I’d take the oath on a copy of Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto.

65 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 10:59:20am
March 4, 1857 Eighteenth Inaugural Ceremonies James Buchanan Unknown
March 4, 1853 Seventeenth Inaugural Ceremonies Franklin Pierce Unknown
July 10, 1850 Swearing-In of Vice President Millard Fillmore after the death of President Zachary Taylor Millard Fillmore Unknown
March 5, 1849 Sixteenth Inaugural Ceremonies Zachary Taylor Unknown
66 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:01:53am

Wait. Is JQ Adams considered a founding father?

67 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:02:01am

re: #61 calochortus

Hmmm, I’d have to go with Knitting in the Old Way or Landscaping with Herbs not necessarily because of specific content, but because they changed my approach to designing knitted garments and designing gardens, respectively.

I guess I’d go with the Sutherland’s Manual, but 4th edition, because I’m somewhat of a traditionalist.

Bike mechanics don’t usually get sworn in, just sworn at.

68 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:02:31am
69 Lidane  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:03:09am

re: #64 Targetpractice

If I wanted to see their heads explode, I’d take the oath on a copy of Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto.

Ooh. Even better.

A Theology of Liberation would get the evangelicals and even the Vatican up in arms.

70 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:03:26am

OK. Not a founding father. Whatever. :D He’s still popular with the right.

71 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:03:32am

re: #66 Gus

Wait. Is JQ Adams considered a founding father?

Kind of, yeah.

72 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:04:00am

re: #68 Gus

Wait. According to Red State he is.

Bwahahaha!

Founding Toddler.

73 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:04:29am

re: #71 FriendsofHummus

Kind of, yeah.

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74 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:04:34am

re: #69 Lidane

Ooh. Even better.

A Theology of Liberation would get the evangelicals and even the Vatican up in arms.

Two for the price of one. I like it.

75 calochortus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:05:53am

re: #67 wrenchwench

I think that would be fine. Doesn’t everyone need to know about “complete coverage of bottom brackets and cranksets” and so forth?

76 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:06:04am

Because that’s the only hate crime Fischer knows.

The case is he referring to is the one of the black gay Mayoral candidate killed in Mississippi last week.

77 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:06:55am

re: #73 Gus

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Yeah true enough. I just think he had unique circumstances given that he did diplomatic work with his father. I wouldn’t call him a Founding Father but he had an unique situation. Anyhow, the right wingers do like him because he was very vocal about his religious beliefs but he also was a huge champion of internal improvements (read infrastructure projects) and I doubt they would have liked his abolitionist views either considering how many of them feel about states rights.

78 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:07:46am

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Because that’s the only hate crime Fischer knows.

The case is he referring to is the one of the black gay Mayoral candidate killed in Mississippi last week.

Yeah, how dare they try to investigate and come to a conclusion. Really, fuck this guy.

79 Eclectic Cyborg  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:08:02am

Because Jesus TOTALLY approved of torture!

My Gods.

80 austin_blue  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:09:25am

All Hail Lennon and Marx!

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81 ReamWorks SKG  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:09:39am

He should have sworn on a box of ammo!

82 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:10:02am

[Link: twitter.com…]

Derp.

83 Decatur Deb  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:10:21am

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

Because Jesus TOTALLY approved of torture!

My Gods.

His opinion on scourging ‘evolved’.

84 calochortus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:10:43am

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

Funny, I heard Abu Ghaith continued talking after he had legal representation, so while Bryan thinks it would be fun to torture him, it might not be useful.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:11:18am

re: #76 Eclectic Cyborg

Because that’s the only hate crime Fischer knows.

The case is he referring to is the one of the black gay Mayoral candidate killed in Mississippi last week.

I’m curious if Fischer could name a famous example of a gay man killing another gay man off the top of his head.

86 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:12:07am

re: #84 calochortus

Funny, I heard Abu Ghaith continued talking after he had legal representation, so while Bryan thinks it would be fun to torture him, it might not be useful.

Sick fucks like Fischer got to get their kicks somehow.

87 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:12:27am

re: #84 calochortus

Funny, I heard Abu Ghaith continued talking after he had legal representation, so while Bryan thinks it would be fun to torture him, it might not be useful.

Fischer doesn’t care, he’s just hating on Barack Obama.

88 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:18:10am
89 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:20:56am

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90 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:22:26am

re: #79 Eclectic Cyborg

Because Jesus TOTALLY approved of torture!

My Gods.

Torture is for people who believe Jesus thought an eye for an eye was too lenient.

91 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:23:25am

BTW. Emptywheel is not a wingnut blog.

92 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:24:19am

Emptywheel is run by former Firebagger Marcy Wheeler. The only reason she and Gawker are pushing this is because they’re far-left and can’t stand Brennan.

93 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:24:39am

re: #75 calochortus

I think that would be fine. Doesn’t everyone need to know about “complete coverage of bottom brackets and cranksets” and so forth?

Complete coverage of bottom brackets cannot be overemphasized.

94 HoosierHoops  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:25:37am

I think swearing in on the Constitution is a brilliant idea and should be mandatory. After all they are swearing to uphold said document. We’ll even include the Bill of Rights so the RW doesn’t have a stroke.

95 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:27:09am

I keep a couple wingnut facebook “friends” just for amusement and the word from them is that John Brennan is a sekrit Muslim and that’s why he wouldn’t swear on a Bible.

96 HoosierHoops  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:27:55am

re: #92 Gus

Emptywheel is run by former Firebagger Marcy Wheeler. The only reason she and Gawker are pushing this is because they’re far-left and can’t stand Brennan.

I’ve always thought Marcy was a sharp cookie. Haven’t read her in 4 or 5 years.

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:28:03am

re: #69 Lidane

Ooh. Even better.

A Theology of Liberation would get the evangelicals and even the Vatican up in arms.

Gustavo Gutierrez. Good stuff that seriously PO’d JPII. I’d be more inclined towards Original Blessing by Matthew Fox but the basic idea is fun.

98 kirkspencer  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:28:18am

re: #92 Gus

Emptywheel is run by former Firebagger Marcy Wheeler. The only reason she and Gawker are pushing this is because they’re far-left and can’t stand Brennan.

I usually enjoy Marcy Wheeler. She tends to back her points up with documentable facts.

And as it happens I don’t like Brennan either. He was part of what I think of as W’s Torture Team.

99 Single-handed sailor  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:28:21am

re: #89 The Ghost of a Flea

In Case You Were Wondering, We Think This Survivalist Ad Is Crap, Too

I’d say the correct response is hit the bang switch on the perimeter claymores.

100 calochortus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:28:33am

re: #93 wrenchwench

Complete coverage of bottom brackets cannot be overemphasized.

I’ll take your word for it, as I prefer to trust a professional in these matters.
I had to look up what a bottom bracket actually is.

101 Tigger2  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:29:34am

re: #89 The Ghost of a Flea

In Case You Were Wondering, We Think This Survivalist Ad Is Crap, Too

Made it trough 30 seconds before I was laughing to hard to see my screen.

102 Kid A  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:30:22am

The Dumbest Man On The Internet says that Obama is celebrating the unemployment rate. From Obama:

Yesterday, we received some welcome news on that front. We learned that our businesses added nearly 250,000 new jobs last month. The unemployment rate fell to 7.7% – still too high, but now lower than it was when I took office…

Hmmm. I don’t see any spike-the-ball in that, do you? Hoft, you fucking moron.

103 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:31:19am

Oy. I know what the conspiracy theory is. John Brennan took his oath on the constitution without the bill of rights therefore John Brennan won’t care about American’s right. Ugh. Oy. Derp.

104 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:32:56am

Matthew 5:34

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:

105 HappyWarrior  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:33:20am

re: #102 Kid A

The Dumbest Man On The Internet says that Obama is celebrating the unemployment rate. From Obama:

Hmmm. I don’t see any spike-the-ball in that, do you? Hoft, you fucking moron.

What do you expect? Hoft is always doing stupid crap like this. It’s how he wins the Accuracy in Media award.

106 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:35:03am
107 wrenchwench  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:37:20am

Someone should get sworn in on a Kindle with 5,000 books in it.

108 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:37:24am

re: #106 Gus

When one is sworn in for jury duty there is no holy book involved. I believe it is the same for citizenship. These folks are making a mountain out of nothing.

109 Lidane  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:37:34am
110 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:37:58am

I love how in these “prepper” scenarios, it’s always the poor people…who are used to doing without…who are going to riot and get violent, while those who’ve never been deprived of anything are somehow going to remain sane.

111 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:38:33am

re: #105 FriendsofHummus

What do you expect? Hoft is always doing stupid crap like this. It’s how he wins the Accuracy in Media award.

There was a typo at CPAC. Hoft was supposed to win an award for “Media Inaccuracy”

112 andres  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:38:46am

re: #66 Gus

Wait. Is JQ Adams considered a founding father?

Well, Bachmann thinks so

113 Mich-again  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:39:49am

re: #109 Lidane

The real TJ3 would not be a huge fan of Fox News.

114 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 11:45:16am
115 Gus  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 12:19:45pm
116 Charles Johnson  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 12:27:17pm

re: #103 Gus

Oy. I know what the conspiracy theory is. John Brennan took his oath on the constitution without the bill of rights therefore John Brennan won’t care about American’s right. Ugh. Oy. Derp.

Yes, I just read a dumb post at FDL that said Brennan requested to use Washington’s draft constitution, so that means he’s secretly planning to drone the fuck out of everybody.

117 Varek Raith  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 1:02:57pm

Constitution > Holy Books

118 engineer cat  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 1:09:02pm

i want to be sworn in on a copy of principia mathematica

119 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 2:29:21pm

re: #64 Targetpractice

If I wanted to see their heads explode, I’d take the oath on a copy of Das Kapital or The Communist Manifesto.

If you ever wanna have fun watching wingnut heads explode, point out to them there’s a relief of Mohammad in the Supreme Court.

As one of the “Lawgivers of History.”

That’s right, wingnuts…..the Supreme Court is part of the creeping Sharia! MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

120 Ming  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 6:51:32pm

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

See Rand, Ayn.

I wonder what percentage of right-wingers, those who say they admire Ayn Rand, (a) know that she was an outspoken atheist, and (b) have actually read Atlas Shrugged. Honestly, I can’t even begin to guess about (a) or (b). But I’m curious.

By the way, I’m no expert on Ayn Rand and I could be wrong, but I recall that she was an advocate of limited government, not NO government. She advocated capitalism, not anarchy. I believe she split with Murray Rothbard over this. I don’t recall that she ever had a problem with “government” providing basic services, like police or national defense. Of course, she advocated limited government, but I don’t believe she was nearly so hostile to “government in general” as some right-wingers seem to think.

As someone who admires Ayn Rand, while not sharing all of her viewpoints, it pains me to see the people who now embrace her as one of their own, from Pamela Geller to Paul Ryan. Rand herself would be even more outraged than I am.

121 majii  Sat, Mar 9, 2013 8:07:46pm

But, these are the same people who keep screaming that they want to go back to the “original” Constitution. This informs me that these people don’t know their asses from their heads.

122 Aligarr  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 6:07:59am

We are now entering unknown territory , just when everyone thought these people had plumbed the absolute depths of idiocy ……yet they go deeper .

123 kg7u  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 2:31:14am

re: #118 engineer cat

i want to be sworn in on a copy of principia mathematica

But a copy that has propositions that are consistent, or complete?

(I am a poor, humble, dilettante at formal logic)


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