Adam Baldwin Agrees: Anti-Rape Classes Equal ‘Do Not Steal’ Classes for Blacks

Gus
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During the current “monstrous” feeding frenzy of misogynist and racist attacks against Zerlina Maxwell after her appearance on the Sean Hannity show, we find Adam Baldwin of Breitbart and “Full Metal Jacket” fame in agreement that “forcing all men to go through ‘do not rape’ classes would be as bad as sending all blacks to ‘do not steal’ classes.”

Never mind that this is a complete misrepresentation of Maxwell’s argument, since she never once mentioned “forcing” anyone to take said classes. Is he equating an alleged natural tendency of men to rape with the race realist (or racist) and highly erroneous and ignorant idea of a natural tendency for blacks to steal?

What word would we use to describe such a conclusion? Will he attempt to hide behind “Retweets do not imply an endorsement” and if so does his history correlate with this?

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1 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:15:56am

Again, are conservatives trying to piss off everyone? Do they hate winning elections? Do they not understand that they need some moderates to win?

2 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:17:23am

This sort of rot is just sickening. Zerlina Maxwell didn’t push for a gun ban, all she said was that men should be taught better so as to make them less likely to rape.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:36:36am

re: #1 Iwouldprefernotto

Again, are conservatives trying to piss off everyone? Do they hate winning elections? Do they not understand that they need some moderates to win?

It wasn’t “conservatives”; Sean Hannity treated Ms. Maxwell decently on camera and according to her was entirely sympathetic to her having been raped and thanked her for sharing her story with his viewers. The trouble started after an article about the segment was post on Glenn Beck’s site and the haters latched onto it. Most conservatives aren’t racist haters, but there are a number of haters who call themselves conservative who regard any contradiction from a black woman as some sort of threat.

4 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:45:26am

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

What do you mean by ‘call themselves conservatives’?

5 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:47:30am

re: #4 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

What do you mean by ‘call themselves conservatives’?

I don’t regard their kind of racial hatred as a conservative value. It does not conserve, it only destroys.

6 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:51:15am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

Is Brent Bozell a “conservative”?

7 Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:51:53am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I don’t regard their kind of racial hatred as a conservative value. It does not conserve, it only destroys.

That doesn’t mean they’re not conservatives. It means they’re racist and conservatives.

There is also a very high correlation between social conservatism and racism, as the GOP has done a great job of demonstrating.

8 CuriousLurker  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 9:59:27am

re: #2 Dark_Falcon

This sort of rot is just sickening. Zerlina Maxwell didn’t push for a gun ban, all she said was that men should be taught better so as to make them less likely to rape.

Upding, but I have to say that it’s sickening regardless (of whether or not she pushed for a gun ban).

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

It wasn’t “conservatives”; Sean Hannity treated Ms. Maxwell decently on camera and according to her was entirely sympathetic to her having been raped and thanked her for sharing her story with his viewers. The trouble started after an article about the segment was post on Glenn Beck’s site and the haters latched onto it. Most conservatives aren’t racist haters, but there are a number of haters who call themselves conservative who regard any contradiction from a black woman as some sort of threat.

Welcome to my world. Muslims feel the same way when we get painted with the same broad brush as the haters/extremists who “call themselves” Muslims. Ditto for every other group who is collectively blamed for the actions of the worst of their members.

If there are decent conservatives who are against this behavior, then why don’t they stand up and denounce it? “Oh, but some of them do, it’s just that the MSM only pays attention to the haters,” you may say. Sound familiar? It should; Muslim leaders, groups, and individuals have been denouncing terrorism for years, but I still hear claims that we don’t on a regular basis. IOW, get used to it.

It sucks, doesn’t it?

9 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:00:27am

I really enjoy the dopey, violent, thugs Baldwin plays on television, but knowing that he’s much like the roles he plays takes the fun out of it.

10 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:01:15am

re: #6 Interesting Times

Is Brent Bozell a “conservative”?

Not sure, but I am sure that it is him who is the idiot.

11 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:01:56am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I don’t regard their kind of racial hatred as a conservative value. It does not conserve, it only destroys.

Do conservatives conserve anything but bigotry, hate-fueled religion, and entrenched power?

It’s conservationists that actually want to conserve anything of value, not conservatives.

12 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:04:36am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

The conservative movement has been about idiocy for a long time. That’s why you’re so out of step with the conservative masses these days, and spend your time here instead of with the stalkers. You’re a good man, and I think you do yourself a disservice by continuing to self-identify as conservative.

13 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:06:18am

re: #10 Dark_Falcon

Not sure, but I am sure that it is him who is the idiot.

L. Brent Bozell III

Leo Brent Bozell III (born July 14, 1955) is an American conservative writer and activist. Bozell is the founder and president of the Media Research Center, the Conservative Communications Center, and the Cybercast News Service. Bozell served as president of the Parents Television Council from 1995 to 2006, after which he was succeeded by Timothy F. Winter.[1] In addition, currently, Bozell serves on the board for the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights and has served on the board of directors in the American Conservative Union. Bozell is also nationally syndicated by Creator’s Syndicate where his work appears in publications such as the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Washington Times, New York Post, Los Angeles Times and National Review.

14 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:19:56am

re: #7 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That doesn’t mean they’re not conservatives. It means they’re racist and conservatives.

There is also a very high correlation between social conservatism and racism, as the GOP has done a great job of demonstrating.

Just saw some yahoo with a large confederate flag on his truck this morning. I took a photo and sent a complaint to the HOA. Guess what presidential candidate that household supported?

15 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:22:50am

Thanks for the upgrade Charles. I re-read this Tweet this morning and thought it needed to be publicized.

16 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:24:06am

re: #14 Sionainn

Just saw some yahoo with a large confederate flag on his truck this morning. I took a photo and sent a complaint to the HOA. Guess what presidential candidate that household supported?

Did he wear one of these T-shirts too?

17 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:27:25am

re: #14 Sionainn

Just saw some yahoo with a large confederate flag on his truck this morning. I took a photo and sent a complaint to the HOA. Guess what presidential candidate that household supported?

If someone complained about that around here, the HOA would be very confused.

19 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:29:53am

re: #16 Interesting Times

Did he wear one of these T-shirts too?

Well, I actually didn’t see the yahoo today…just his truck, but no, haven’t seen that shirt on him yet. ;-)

20 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:31:22am

re: #17 Decatur Deb

If someone complained about that around here, the HOA would be very confused.

Yeah, I could understand that, but I’m in frickin’ Las Vegas.

21 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:38:00am

re: #18 Dr. Matt

Fox News Guest Receives Racist Rape And Death Threats After Arguing Guns Aren’t The Solution To Rape

Stay classy, teabagging scum

And that after she agreed with Sean Hannity that women should have the choice to carry a gun if that is what they personally want to do. But apparently that wasn’t enough for the haters, and nothing but her unconditional submission would have been.

I don’t have anymore to say on that point, since the hate is vile and wholly irrational. It cannot be reasoned away, only neutralized.

22 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:38:10am
23 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:47:48am

re: #21 Dark_Falcon

And that after she agreed with Sean Hannity that women should have the choice to carry a gun if that is what they personally want to do. But apparently that wasn’t enough for the haters, and nothing but her unconditional submission would have been.

I don’t have anymore to say on that point, since the hate is vile and wholly irrational. It cannot be reasoned away, only neutralized.

If Hannity was really serious about civility, he could end this entire controversy right now. Evidently he’s satisfied with letting all his dumbass surrogates run all over her.

24 blueraven  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:47:49am

re: #12 JeffFX

The conservative movement has been about idiocy for a long time. That’s why you’re so out of step with the conservative masses these days, and spend your time here instead of with the stalkers. You’re a good man, and I think you do yourself a disservice by continuing to self-identify as conservative.

The real problem is that enough honest conservatives dont speak out. They have allowed conservatism to be redefined, and not in a good way.

25 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:48:36am

There appears to be an assumption that rape is typified by the lonely woman in the dark alley attacked by an unknown assailant.

That is actually the exception, not the rule.

Maxwell’s suggestion to teach boys/men not to rape is very sensible. That’s why the idiots reacted so strongly to it.

26 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:50:57am

re: #23 dragonath

If Hannity was really serious about civility, he could end this entire controversy right now. Evidently he’s satisfied with letting all his dumbass surrogates run all over her.

And that was the point I was trying to make (comment number one). It’s not that all conservatives are racists, it’s that letting people make racists comments, and not calling them on it is just as bad. Hannity and Rush and all the others do nothing to stem the hate.

27 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:52:44am

Teach men to be feminists:

Approximately 2/3 of assaults are committed by someone known to the victim
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance

28 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:54:14am

How obvious does it have to get?

The bigot bloggers haven’t just dropped their fig leaves, they’ve raked them into a huge pile and set them alight, and now they’re dancing around the flames like naked demons, waving their pitchforks and improvised nooses.

29 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:54:28am

re: #26 Iwouldprefernotto

And that was the point I was trying to make (comment number one). It’s not that all conservatives are racists, it’s that letting people make racists comments, and not calling them on it is just as bad. Hannity and Rush and all the others do nothing to stem the hate.

Rush is actually one of the haters in this matter, given his vile attack on Sandra Fluke. Sean Hannity is not, but if he pushes back tomorrow* the screams of ‘RINO!!1’ will begin.

*: Since Hannity does not broadcast on Sunday, it is in my mind acceptable if it takes him till tomorrow to respond. Media people sometimes unplug pretty much entirely on their day off.

30 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:57:16am

Dark, stop waiting for Hannity to speak from the goddamn golden microphone or something. This is goddamn 2013, not 1933.

31 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:57:53am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Rush is actually one of the haters in this matter, given his vile attack on Sandra Fluke. Sean Hannity is not, but if he pushes back tomorrow* the screams of ‘RINO!!1’ will begin.

*: Since Hannity does not broadcast on Sunday, it is in my mind acceptable if it takes him till tomorrow to respond. Media people sometimes unplug pretty much entirely on their day off.

Has Hannity ever spoke out against the racism against the president and his family?

32 blueraven  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:58:29am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Rush is actually one of the haters in this matter, given his vile attack on Sandra Fluke. Sean Hannity is not, but if he pushes back tomorrow* the screams of ‘RINO!!1’ will begin.

*: Since Hannity does not broadcast on Sunday, it is in my mind acceptable if it takes him till tomorrow to respond. Media people sometimes unplug pretty much entirely on their day off.

Hannity jumped on the “diss Sandra Fluke” bandwagon. Maybe he didn’t do what Rush did, but he added fuel to that fire.

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:58:41am

re: #6 Interesting Times

Is Brent Bozell a “conservative”?

I see the subliminal message is that they approve of arming black people…

/

34 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:58:51am

re: #30 dragonath

Dark, stop waiting for Hannity to speak from the goddamn golden microphone or something. This is goddamn 2013, not 1933.

He may not yet know this is happening. Don’t assume others are as plugged in as you are.

35 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 10:59:13am

Blue laws evidently apply to bigots and misogynists now.

36 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:00:00am

re: #35 dragonath

Blue laws evidently apply to bigots and misogynists now.

Never on Sunday?

37 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:00:32am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Rush is actually one of the haters in this matter, given his vile attack on Sandra Fluke. Sean Hannity is not, but if he pushes back tomorrow* the screams of ‘RINO!!1’ will begin.

*: Since Hannity does not broadcast on Sunday, it is in my mind acceptable if it takes him till tomorrow to respond. Media people sometimes unplug pretty much entirely on their day off.

Hannity will never do it.

38 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:00:47am

re: #31 Iwouldprefernotto

Has Hannity ever spoke out against the racism against the president and his family?

No.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:01:16am

I have to go. BBL

40 Sionainn  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:01:37am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

He may not yet know this is happening. Don’t assume others are as plugged in as you are.

Sean Hannity is not going to turn out to be the good guy you think he is.

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:01:41am

re: #36 Gus

Never on Sunday?

Good conservatives spend Sundays studying Supply Side Jesus in Bible classes.

42 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:02:09am

So, the man wasn’t acting when he played a complete douchebag on Firefly.

43 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:02:25am

re: #36 Gus

He’ll never address an issue like this, ever, especially not on his show.

44 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:02:26am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

He may not yet know this is happening. Don’t assume others are as plugged in as you are.

He works in the goddamned media, Dark. You don’t get any more ‘plugged in’ than that.

Stop making excuses for these racist enablers, please.

45 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:03:37am

Zerlina Maxwell: Stop Telling Women How to Not Get Raped

Holding women and girls accountable for preventing sexual assault hasn’t worked and so long as men commit the majority of rapes, men need to be at the heart of our tactics for preventing them. Let’s stop teaching ‘how to avoid being a victim’ and instead, attack the culture that creates predators in the first place.

46 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:05:50am

Hannity is anti-gay as fuck too. How many freaking times am I going to have to repeat this before conservatives start listening.

47 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:11:07am

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

Rush is actually one of the haters in this matter, given his vile attack on Sandra Fluke. Sean Hannity is not, but if he pushes back tomorrow* the screams of ‘RINO!!1’ will begin.

Please.

Sean Hannity is every bit as bad as Rush Limbaugh or Bryan Fischer or any other hate-spreading right wing demagogue.

48 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:13:58am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Please.

Sean Hannity is every bit as bad as Rush Limbaugh or Bryan Fischer or any other hate-spreading right wing demagogue.

Let’s not forget his old friend from his radio days. What was his name again?

49 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:14:17am

re: #46 dragonath

Hannity is anti-gay as fuck too. How many freaking times am I going to have to repeat this before conservatives start listening.

Why would conservatives listen? Most of them hate gays also.

50 Amory Blaine  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:15:21am
NUGENT [video clip]: I was in Chicago. I said, “Hey, Obama, you might want to suck on one of these, you punk!”

Obama, he’s a piece of [bleep]. And I told him to suck on my machine gun. Let’s hear it for it.

And I was in New York. I said, “Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless [bleep]!”

HANNITY: That was friend and frequent guest on the program Ted Nugent expressing his feelings towards Democratic presidential contenders Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton. Joining us now, Democratic strategist Bob Beckel and Republican strategist Karen Hanretty.

You know, Bob, we may actually agree here. Here is Ted Nugent. He’s saying, you know, the “Wang Dang” song, “Cat Scratch Fever,” wears a loincloth on stage, fires, you know, an arrow at targets on stage. I see you liberals more upset about that, but I don’t hear anybody criticizing Barack Obama for accusing our troops of killing civilians, air-raiding villages, et cetera, et cetera. What’s more shocking to you? What’s more offensive to you? Is it Barack Obama’s statement about our troops or Ted Nugent?

…..

BECKEL: Are you prepared now, Sean — are you prepared to disavow this lowlife or not?

HANNITY: No, I like Ted Nugent. He’s a friend of mine.

51 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:16:28am

re: #49 Iwouldprefernotto

Well I wish Dark would listen, at least. But he left, again.

52 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:17:10am

Sean Hannity Confronted Over His Relationship With Neo-Nazi Hal Turner

He denies this while Hal Turner does not.

53 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:18:18am
…we find Adam Baldwin of Breitbart and “Full Metal Jacket” fame in agreement that “forcing all men to go through ‘do not rape’ classes would be as bad as sending all blacks to ‘do not steal’ classes.”

Never mind that this is a complete misrepresentation of Maxwell’s argument, since she never once mentioned “forcing” anyone to take said classes.

This may be a subset of the tendency for conservatives to imagine the black president is constantly “forcing” things on them.

54 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:18:57am

I’m downloading the Big Handel Box for $0.99.

55 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:20:31am

Meet the Press: a bunch of Republicans sitting around agreeing that we’ve spent too much over the past 20 years, therefore, cut Medicare.

56 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:20:38am

My only problem with the “Big Box” series is that they contain some tracks that I don’t especially enjoy, but I can always hit NEXT.

57 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:21:17am

If Handel was into CB Radio, his handle would totally be “Big Handel”

58 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:21:55am

re: #55 jaunte

Meet the Press: a bunch of Republicans sitting around agreeing that we’ve spent too much over the past 20 years, therefore, cut Medicare.

Meet the Press could rename themselves Meet the Republicans.

59 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:22:43am

re: #48 Gus

Let’s not forget his old friend from his radio days. What was his name again?

‘Hal from North Bergen’, right?

60 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:23:32am

re: #59 AlexRogan

‘Hal from North Bergen’, right?

Yep. See #52.

61 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:23:51am

re: #58 Gus

It’s amazing how the Iraq war expenditure has just disappeared, and ending the Bush tax cuts has been transformed into “the President got his tax increases.”

62 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:24:38am

re: #60 Gus

Yep. See #52.

Yeah, you or someone else linked something about him the other day…what a fucking racist, bigoted choad, that one is.

63 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:25:49am

Guys, I can hardly wait for Hannity’s broadcast on Monday.

64 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:27:33am

DERP


“If you don’t support them, what does that make you?” Uhhhmmm..intelligent?
BTW “Hello Birdie” Condi is not what you think she is.

65 dragonath  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:29:01am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

“Because The Tea Party loves Crazy more than they hate Blacks!”

66 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:30:11am

re: #65 dragonath

“Because The Tea Party loves Crazy more than they hate Blacks!”

Just wait until Ben Carson, the wingnut’s most favoritest heartthrob, steps one tow over the line, then he’s a BRINO out on his ass like Colin Powell.

67 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:30:12am

I don’t know why I’ve never thought of myself a feminist. Maybe more men should support women by considering themselves feminists and being more outspoken about misogyny.

68 blueraven  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:34:05am

re: #50 Amory Blaine

Anyone who can defend Ted Nugent is an asshole in the first degree.
We have some real flamethrowers on the progressive side; Micheal Moore, Bill Maher…but nothing they have said or done rises to the level of the putrid, hate filled, violence stoking behavior demonstrated by Nugent. In fact, he is one of their heroes.

69 subterraneanhomesickalien  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:34:52am

Adam Baldwin seems determined to torpedo his acting career, which is a shame because he’s been good in nearly everything he’s ever been in.

Also this whole “we need to get back to real conservatism” thing is silly folks.

This is American’s version thereof. If you are remembering an America where Conservatism is scholarly and classy, than you are just romanticizing something that never existed. Just trying to scrape the layers of failure off its political history by retroactively calling all those that called themselves conservative before you somehow not really conservative. So you don’t have to admit that yeah maybe liberals were right about the Republican Party all along over the course of the last thirty years or so. Andrew Sullivan has turned this into an art form.

This is conservatism and it always has been. Hateful, stupid, and paranoid. If you think otherwise than you must have been asleep for the past thirty years.

70 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:35:45am

re: #67 Kronocide

I don’t know why I’ve never thought of myself a feminist. Maybe more men should support women by considering themselves feminists and being more outspoken about misogyny.

Humanist. Got it covered.

71 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:36:59am
72 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:40:43am

Aw, Jebus, Adam.

73 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:40:43am

Looks like Adam Baldwin has blocked me on Twitter.

74 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:42:50am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Looks like Adam Baldwin has blocked me on Twitter.

In the old days, it was a badge of honor to be on Nixon’s enemies list. I guess that in today’s world the same can be said for getting someone to block you on Twitter. I miss the old days.

75 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:43:25am

re: #70 Decatur Deb

Humanist. Got it covered.

OK, cool. I got that patch a while ago.

76 blueraven  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:44:23am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Looks like Adam Baldwin has blocked me on Twitter.

Congratulations!

77 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:47:48am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Baldwin (in his Breitbart piece) insists that gun enthusiasts outnumber and can defeat a ‘federal army’, based on James Madison’s estimate of the capabilities of 1788 weapons technology. You might make fun of him.

78 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:48:27am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

He gets tetchy sometimes.

He’s blocked and unblocked me a couple times.

About half the time, he has a brain in there, and half the time, he’s spewing wingnut talking points.

He does do a bunch of good charity work, though.

To me, he’s like the cousin or uncle that you just want to punch in the snoot for being an idiot, but also does good things in the community.

79 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:49:02am

re: #77 jaunte

Baldwin (in his Breitbart piece) insists that gun enthusiasts outnumber and can defeat a ‘federal army’, based on James Madison’s estimate of the capabilities of 1788 weapons technology. You might make fun of him.

Aw, Jebus, Adam.

80 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:50:20am

re: #77 jaunte

Baldwin (in his Breitbart piece) insists that gun enthusiasts outnumber and can defeat a ‘federal army’, based on James Madison’s estimate of the capabilities of 1788 weapons technology. You might make fun of him.

He’s getting nuttier by the day.

81 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:51:35am

re: #80 Gus

“Hey Adam, there’s a hole in your argument big enough to drive an M1 tank through.”

82 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:52:45am

re: #81 jaunte

“Hey Adam, there’s a hole in your argument big enough to drive an M1 tank through.”

Image: Adam-Baldwin-FMW.jpg

83 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:56:00am

I think part of the problem is conservatives are working from a largely improper definition of rape. I believe to a lot of them most rapes are not violent, sexual attacks they are a case of a woman claiming rape after a supposedly consensual sexual act as some kind of attack or revenge against males.

They think women use rape claims as a weapon to attack men and a lot of the women who claim to have been raped are lying through their teeth.

84 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:56:02am

re: #81 jaunte

It seems like he’s a genuinely good guy, in all my interactions with and observations of him.

He just has this node of crazy in his brain (that I cannot comprehend) that lashes out.

85 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:57:01am

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

I think part of the problem is conservatives are working from a broad definition of rape. I believe to a lot of them most rapes are not violent, sexual attacks they are a case of a woman claiming rape after a supposedly consensual sexual act as some kind of attack or revenge against males.

They think women use rape claims as a weapon to attack men and a lot of the women who claim to have been raped are lying through their teeth.

That is a bad status quo to start from, but I cannot disagree.

86 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:57:57am

re: #77 jaunte

Baldwin (in his Breitbart piece) insists that gun enthusiasts outnumber and can defeat a ‘federal army’, based on James Madison’s estimate of the capabilities of 1788 weapons technology. You might make fun of him.

On that note here’s a rather scary thought: It is a good possibility, thanks to both ODS and the Newtown shootings that there are more rounds of ammunition in private hands today than at any other time in AMERICAN HISTORY.

87 Charles Johnson  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:57:59am

re: #84 chadu

In my interactions with him, he’s been anything but a genuinely good guy.

88 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:58:35am

re: #73 Charles Johnson

Looks like Adam Baldwin has blocked me on Twitter.

Sad to see he’s so closed-minded. I really enjoy his work.

89 Mattand  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:58:37am

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

I don’t regard their kind of racial hatred as a conservative value. It does not conserve, it only destroys.

This is the No True Scotsman logical fallacy.

Republicans have been pushing racial baiting for a while now, whether it was Reagan’s fictional Welfare Queen; Bush Sr.’s Willie Horton; the whole Birther nonsense; or Mitt Romney’s 47%.

Be a Republican or a conservative all you want. Just don’t sit there and imply that this kind of hatred is some blip-on-the-radar aberration. It’s not. It’s a core plank in today’s GOP.

A person who votes Republican needs to decide if they’re comfortable with their chosen party engaging in this horrible strategy.

90 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 11:59:21am

re: #87 Charles Johnson

So noted.

(Granted, much of my interactions with him have been in the context of FIREFLY and the Browncoats fanbase, where Adam’s not as nutty.)

91 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:01:39pm

Two prominent Saudi human rights activists receive 10 years in jail

On Saturday, Mohammed Fahd al-Qahtani and Abdullah Hamad, two political and human rights activists, were sentenced to at least 10 years in prison by a Saudi Arabian court.

The two were found guilty of sedition and providing foreign media with false information. Mr. Qahtani and Mr. Hamad are the founders of Acpra, the Saudi Civil and Political Rights Association, an organization that documents human rights abuses.

Acpra has called for a constitutional monarchy and elections, which could be viewed as threats to the power of the Saudi royal family. According to Reuters, last year Acpra issued a statement demanding that King Abdullah fire then Crown Prince Nayef. The group charged that Nayef failed to investigate allegations of human rights abuses by the Interior Ministry, which he headed until he died last year.

92 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:01:50pm

re: #90 chadu

Self-reply.

Outside of that context, he’s pretty damn crazy.

Maybe it’s me, bringing observer bias into this?

93 wrenchwench  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:02:18pm

re: #83 Eclectic Cyborg

I think part of the problem is conservatives are working from a largely improper definition of rape. I believe to a lot of them most rapes are not violent, sexual attacks they are a case of a woman claiming rape after a supposedly consensual sexual act as some kind of attack or revenge against males.

They think women use rape claims as a weapon to attack men and a lot of the women who claim to have been raped are lying through their teeth.

To elaborate a bit: If the two people are married, it’s not rape. If the man is her boyfriend, it’s not rape. If she agreed to go out on a date without a chaperone, it’s not rape. If she said ‘yes’ on an earlier occasion, it’s not rape on a subsequent occasion. And so on.

94 Killgore Trout  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:02:48pm
Qahtani and Hamad’s trial was open to the press and the public. While they disagreed with the decision, some Saudi activists called the trial’s openness a step forward.

Supporters of the activists said the trial was political motivated. When the judge sentenced Qahtani and Hamad, supporters began shouting and security officers armed with truncheons cleared the courtroom

95 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:02:54pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

(spits)

96 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:04:15pm

re: #92 chadu

Self-reply.

Outside of that context, he’s pretty damn crazy.

Maybe it’s me, bringing observer bias into this?

Jayne was a really great character, but we don’t need his attitude in the real world.

97 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:05:09pm

re: #92 chadu

Outside of that context, he’s pretty damn crazy.

Related:

“…Paul is wrong because, rather than take issue with Obama’s actual drone program, his criticism is animated by the paranoid delusions of the far right — the same apocalyptic visions that animate gun-hoarding survivalists and the militia movement. As Charles Johnson noted, “Sen. Paul is a frequent guest on the conspiracy-peddling Alex Jones Show, where he co-signs every deranged fantasy.”

David Frum also observed that Paul “emerges from a milieu in which far-fetched scenarios don’t seem far-fetched at all.”

Paul specifically mentioned the possibility of a democratically elected Adolph Hitler-like figure coming to power in the United States. Looming federal tyranny — against which the only protection is an armed citizenry — is a staple item in the Rand Paul inventory of urgent concerns.

98 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:08:38pm

Jebus, the RWNJs don’t even have a way to contextualize/compare/contrast Hitler AT ALL.

Hitler is just the Devil to them, possessed of magic powers.

No thought to the propaganda, the speechifying, the cold and calculated rise to power.

99 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:08:43pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

To elaborate a bit: If the two people are married, it’s not rape. If the man is her boyfriend, it’s not rape. If she agreed to go out on a date without a chaperone, it’s not rape. If she said ‘yes’ on an earlier occasion, it’s not rape on a subsequent occasion. And so on.

Oh, you mean “legitimate rape.”//

100 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:09:27pm

re: #99 Vicious Babushka

Oh, you mean “legitimate rape.”//

I hear the female body has a way to shut that down.

101 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:09:49pm

re: #97 jaunte

Paul specifically mentioned the possibility of a democratically elected Adolph Hitler-like figure coming to power in the United States.

Do you know who else harangued for hours on end?

102 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:11:37pm

WINGNUTS ARE SEETHING OVER:


SOURCE: DIM JIM & BREITBART!

103 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:11:38pm

re: #100 chadu

I hear the female body has a way to shut that down.

Spastic tubes.

104 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:13:39pm

DERP. Because Canada defines “Crimes Against the Person” differently, including acts that “End Gun Free Zones” would not consider “legitimate rape.”

105 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:14:32pm

Apples go in, oranges come out, never a miscommunication.

106 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:15:15pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

WINGNUTS ARE SEETHING OVER:

SOURCE: DIM JIM & BREITBART!

Morons. He bought it to prove a point. From his Facebook page:

Looks like the judiciary committee will vote on background checks next week. I just had a background check a few days ago when I went to my local gun store to buy a 45. As I was leaving, I noticed a used AR-15. Bought that too. Even to buy an assault weapon, the background check only takes a matter of minutes. I don’t have possession yet but I’ll be turning it over to the Tucson PD when I do. Scary to think of people buying guns like these without a background check at a gun show or the Internet. We really need to close the gun show and private seller loop hole.

And of course the psycho gun nuts are all over him in the comments.

107 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:16:44pm

re: #102 Vicious Babushka

WINGNUTS ARE SEETHING OVER:


SOURCE: DIM JIM & BREITBART!

Yeah, I saw that this morning. I’m fully expecting to learn that there is less here than meets the eye.

108 makeitstop  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:18:15pm

re: #106 Gus

Morons. He bought it to prove a point. From his Facebook page:

And of course the psycho gun nuts are all over him in the comments.

Well, there ya go. Like I said, less there than meets the paranoid, crazy eye of Dim Jim.

109 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:19:33pm

Here’s a good idea for a Southwest infrastructure project.

110 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:20:48pm

re: #7 Glenn Beck’s Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut

That doesn’t mean they’re not conservatives. It means they’re racist and conservatives.

There is also a very high correlation between social conservatism and racism, as the GOP has done a great job of demonstrating.

speaking of which, i’ve been reading ‘jesus land’, a memoir about a girl growing up in an evangelical family that had adopted a couple of black kids, and her experience of pervasive racism in the evangelical south as a white girl with a black brother

111 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:21:09pm

re: #93 wrenchwench

To elaborate a bit: If the two people are married, it’s not rape. If the man is her boyfriend, it’s not rape. If she agreed to go out on a date without a chaperone, it’s not rape. If she said ‘yes’ on an earlier occasion, it’s not rape on a subsequent occasion. And so on.

Thank you. That explains it nicely.

112 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:21:54pm

re: #109 jaunte

Here’s a good idea for a Southwest infrastructure project.

i look forward to finding out why this is bad, socialist, and bad

113 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:22:07pm

Yes, I just made a Pages Post with the video of Zerlina. Frankly, I’d think Sean, the Roman Catholic, would know that part of the whole Christian thing is teaching both men and women to “control their urges” The problem, of course, like Strange Danger with children, is that Sean and others refuse to accept that most rapists are not some goon lurking in the shadows of some parking lot. They are men we know, friends, co-workers, family members, teachers, preachers … .

Here is the Video of Zerlina if it hasn’t been posted already:

Youtube Video
114 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:22:24pm

re: #112 engineer cat

“Picking winners and losers!!!”

115 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:23:12pm

eyeroll.

116 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:23:28pm
117 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:24:35pm
118 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:27:34pm

DERP

119 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:28:43pm

Frankly, the fact that they Whackos think that teaching men not to rape is ridiculous says a lot about how they view men (themselves).

They want the women in their lives to establish boundrys for them, to tell them what to do and otherwise be their conscious. While projecting the same onto them. People usually give what they themselves want.

I’d love to read some Psych Journal Articles on that.

120 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:29:22pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

In the 1800’s? I thought my ancestors came here because they were pissed at Napoleon. I thought he was a republican?

121 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:29:46pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

…Because never was there a Marxist comissar as savage as Charles II and his spaniels…and his giant Leninist wig….

122 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:30:19pm

re: #121 The Ghost of a Flea

…Because never was there a Marxist comissar as savage as Charles II and his spaniels…and his giant Leninist wig….

Everyone knows spaniels are anarchists.

123 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:30:31pm

re: #115 jaunte

Aw, Jebus, Adam.

124 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:30:58pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

My grandparents always said it was the severe income inequality in Europe.

125 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:31:30pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

There is so much so wrong with that tweet that my brain just locked up.

Moar beer, to lubricate the skullmeats.

126 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:31:30pm

William of Orange?

More like William of Red and Yellow, if you get my drift.

127 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:31:56pm

Sean Hannity was taught not to rape by the good men and women in his life. Why is is so difficult for him to realize that not every man had that upbringing and perhaps the rest of us could benefit from trying to impart some of it to them?

128 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:33:25pm

re: #124 jaunte

My grandparents always said it was the severe income inequality in Europe.

Oh, you mean “it was better to come to America and be able to work and eat,” rather than the usual “work and starve here in Europe” plan?

129 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:33:48pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

He believes that since he was raised that way that everyone else who shares his other ideas was raised that way too.

130 Kronocide  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:33:57pm

re: #127 FemNaziBitch

Sean Hannity was taught not to rape by the good men and women in his life. Why is is so difficult for him to realize that not every man had that upbringing and perhaps the rest of us could benefit from trying to impart some of it to them?

He rapes our collective intelligence daily.

131 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:35:08pm

re: #130 Kronocide

He rapes our collective intelligence daily.

Unfortunately, that is not a crime.

132 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:36:10pm

Napoleon’s grand scheme:

1. Crown self emperor.
2. Supplant conquered royalty with his relatives.
3. Build up marital alliances with other monarchies.
4. …
5. SOCIALISM!

133 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:36:21pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Mine came to escape a fungus.

134 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:36:38pm

re: #98 chadu

Jebus, the RWNJs don’t even have a way to contextualize/compare/contrast Hitler AT ALL.

Hitler is just the Devil to them, possessed of magic powers.

No thought to the propaganda, the speechifying, the cold and calculated rise to power.

No thought whatsoever to the cultural milieu of Germany in the late Nineteenth and early Twentieth Centuries. No thought of the situation inside Germany during the Weimar Republic. No thought of the exterminationist anti-Semitic attitudes that had evolved in Germany during that time. No thought of anything…..for the RWNJ’s, Hitler and the Nazis just appeared, as though by magic, out of some kind of vaccuum.

135 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:38:13pm
136 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:38:57pm

re: #133 Decatur Deb

Mine came to escape a fungus.

Which one, the potato or the grape one?

137 erik_t  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:39:36pm

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

…..for the RWNJ’s, Hitler and the Nazis just appeared, as though by magic, out of some kind of vaccuum.

Why, it’s almost as if mainstream Republican thought is based on magic fairies rather than rational and scientific thought or logical cause and effect…

/

138 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:40:12pm

Canada has 2x as many rape victims as the US. How’s that gun control working out for women in Canada?

well i definitely agree with you that we should jump to conclusions rather than commit the mistake of looking into it and learning more about it

139 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:41:31pm

re: #134 Dr Lizardo

No thought of anything…..for the RWNJ’s, Hitler and the Nazis just appeared, as though by magic, out of some kind of vaccuum.

Word.

It’s like cause and effect is orthogonal to them.

Cause and effect in stuff people do to one another is discounted in favor of cause and effect according to Ye Olde Bible.

140 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:43:25pm

re: #137 erik_t

Why, it’s almost as if mainstream Republican thought is based on magic fairies rather than rational and scientific thought or logical cause and effect…

/

LOL. Indeed. I got into a debate with one of the RW’ers, and this young lady had not one clue as to German life, culture, and history in the interwar years. And of course, she thought Hitler was democratically elected. When I asked her where she’d received this grossly inaccurate information from, she said from the various RW websites.

*headdesk*

141 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:44:02pm

re: #124 jaunte

My grandparents always said it was the severe income inequality in Europe.

Ditto.

142 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:44:40pm

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Indeed. I got into a debate with one of the RW’ers, and this young lady had not one clue as to German life, culture, and history in the interwar years. And of course, she thought Hitler was democratically elected. When I asked her where she’d received this grossly inaccurate information from, she said from the various RW websites.

*headdesk*

I am so sick of hearing that canard. He wasn’t democratically elected. Yes, the Nazis did well at the polls but Hitler was not elected Chancellor of Germany.

143 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:45:07pm

re: #136 chadu

Which one, the potato or the grape one?

Potato blight, P. Infestans.

144 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:45:22pm

re: #139 chadu

Word.

It’s like cause and effect is orthogonal to them.

Cause and effect in stuff people do to one another is discounted in favor of cause and effect according to Ye Olde Bible.

Gnostic thinking is how I think/refer to it: there’s revealed knowledge, and if you don’t get the paradigm, it’s just because you aren’t deeply initiated enough.

It’s very much a kind of “our concepts cannot fail, they can only be misunderstood” to match “the party cannot fail, it can only be failed”

145 Interesting Times  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:45:59pm
146 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:46:00pm

I am taken aback by the fact that RWNJs and Tea Partiers have no idea what are the characteristics of fascism, socialism, Marxist, communism, and capitalism actually are. (Plus atheism, Muslim, and others.)

All scare words, to them.

That’s why they can call the President an Atheist Muslim Socialist Fascist.

They don’t understand what the words mean.

147 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:46:52pm

Speaking of Hitler, I’m reading Erik Larson’s book about the American ambassador and his family in the first years of the Reich. Very interesting especially because he had a summer house not far from here in Virginia. I like reading introductions so I can get an idea why a writer is writing what he writes and Larson basically said he was looking to find an outsider’s perspective on everyday life in early Nazi Germany. Finding it fascinating. I’ve been to Germany before.

148 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:48:42pm

re: #146 chadu

I am taken aback by the fact that RWNJs and Tea Partiers have no idea what are the characteristics of fascism, socialism, Marxist, communism, and capitalism actually are. (Plus atheism, Muslim, and others.)

All scare words, to them.

That’s why they can call the President an Atheist Muslim Socialist Fascist.

They don’t understand what the words mean.

No, they know they don’t like atheism, fascism, communism, and Islamism so therefore Obama who they don’t like must be one or all of those. I for one am amused when they call left wingers Nazis and then at the same time give the left a hard time for embracing multicultural diversity because you know Hitler loved racial diversity. Or my personal favorite was when Glenn Beck attributed empathy to Nazism. Yeah because when I think of Hitler, I think of how he empathized with the less well off in society.

149 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:48:44pm

re: #143 Decatur Deb

Potato blight, P. Infestans.

Condolences.

My dad’s side of the family has been here since before there was a here (1770s), and my mom’s side trickled in from Italy and Sicily around 1900.

But, yeah, my dad’s side got an influx of relations during the Potato Blight. (German-Irish, whoop de doo!).

150 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:49:48pm

re: #146 chadu

Atheist Muslim Socialist Fascist = big mean poopy head.

151 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:50:06pm

re: #147 FriendsofHummus

Title?

(May want to add this to my Amazon Wishlist.)

152 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:50:59pm

Gotta think it was the famine for the Irish side though they came after the worst years. Either way, this was when Gladstone or Disraeli was the Prime Minister of the UK. Hardly socialism. German side I bet was being Catholics in Bismarck’s Germany. Not exactly fun especially since that from what I understand is the most left leaning side in the family. And then there’s the Eastern Europe side. Fucking Hapsburgs.

153 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:51:12pm

My ancestors came here to escape that raging socialist secular humanist gay communist THE CZAR!

Zedushka’s ancestors came to escape from the atheist gay Muslims!

154 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:51:26pm

re: #142 FriendsofHummus

I am so sick of hearing that canard. He wasn’t democratically elected. Yes, the Nazis did well at the polls but Hitler was not elected Chancellor of Germany.

I told this young (and misguided) lass to either go to her local library or a bookstore and get her hands on a copy of “Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich” by Shirer.

I still regard that as one of the better-written histories of that era of European history. It’s written for the average Joe, in many ways….popular history.

155 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:52:16pm

re: #148 FriendsofHummus

I for one am amused when they call left wingers Nazis and then at the same time give the left a hard time for embracing multicultural diversity because you know Hitler loved racial diversity. Or my personal favorite was when Glenn Beck attributed empathy to Nazism. Yeah because when I think of Hitler, I think of how he empathized with the less well off in society.

Personally, I’m not amused — I’m fcking horrified.

The brain that can equate those opinions versus facts….

They’re insane.

27% of this country is completely insane.

156 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:52:17pm

re: #146 chadu

I am taken aback by the fact that RWNJs and Tea Partiers have no idea what are the characteristics of fascism, socialism, Marxist, communism, and capitalism actually are. (Plus atheism, Muslim, and others.)

All scare words, to them.

That’s why they can call the President an Atheist Muslim Socialist Fascist.

They don’t understand what the words mean.

They are all just code words for “someone who isn’t white and hates Jesus”.

157 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:52:37pm

re: #139 chadu

Word.

It’s like cause and effect is orthogonal to them.

Cause and effect in stuff people do to one another is discounted in favor of cause and effect according to Ye Olde Bible.

seems to me that they take all of the things you find on webpages about logical fallacies as the correct way to conduct an argument

158 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:53:09pm

re: #152 FriendsofHummus

Fucking Hapsburgs.

WORD.

159 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:53:28pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

I told this young (and misguided) young lass to either go to her local library or a bookstore and get her hands on a copy of “Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich” by Shirer.

I still regard that as one of the better-written histories of that era of European history. It’s written for the average Joe, in many ways….popular history.

Shirier’s work is great because he actually lived it. But as any good student/researcher will tell you primary and secondary sources are both equally important. I relied heavily on both for my paper on pogroms in Russia from 1880-1910.

160 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:53:48pm

re: #153 Vicious Babushka

When, A? Did your folks get out before 1917?

161 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:54:10pm

re: #140 Dr Lizardo

LOL. Indeed. I got into a debate with one of the RW’ers, and this young lady had not one clue as to German life, culture, and history in the interwar years. And of course, she thought Hitler was democratically elected. When I asked her where she’d received this grossly inaccurate information from, she said from the various RW websites.

*headdesk*

As Adam Savage is prone to say, “Well, there’s your problem!”

162 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:54:23pm

re: #155 chadu

Personally, I’m not amused — I’m fcking horrified.

The brain that can equate those opinions versus facts….

They’re insane.

27% of this country is completely insane.

Well it’s amusing in the sense that they’re calling you a multicultural Nazi. I mean would you left if someone called you a leftist monarchist? I would. Don’t get me wrong. Ignorance bothers me but I choose to laugh too.

163 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:54:31pm

re: #151 chadu

Title?

(May want to add this to my Amazon Wishlist.)

Pretty sure he’s referring to:

In the Garden of Beasts: Love, Terror, and an American Family in Hitler’s Berlin

164 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:54:50pm

re: #156 Eclectic Cyborg

Real Jebus would hate the Fake Jebus these idiots worship.

165 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:55:15pm

my ancestors all came from either the austrian, german, or russian empires in the decades before the 1890s, times and places where being a socialist might land you in jail

166 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:55:28pm

re: #164 chadu

Real Jebus would hate the Fake Jebus these idiots worship.

Not least of which because the real Jesus wasn’t Caucasian.

167 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:55:58pm

re: #162 FriendsofHummus

Sometimes all you can do in the face of horror is laugh.

168 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:56:18pm

Zedushka is totally freaking out right now because I told him that if he didn’t clean up his room I would CRAM ALL HIS STUFF INTO GARBAGE BAGS AND THROW IT ON THE CURB WITH THE TRASH when he goes to New York tomorrow for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah.

He did not have to wait until TODAY to start the toxic cleanup.

He’s hyperventilating. I am so not helping him, I have to clean the rest of the house. (But I’m getting a professional crew to do the kitchen)

169 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:56:23pm

re: #163 Eclectic Cyborg

ADDED!

170 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:57:07pm

re: #160 chadu

When, A? Did your folks get out before 1917?

1870’s for one side of the family, 1914 for the other.

Zedushka’s family, 1912 from Palestine.

171 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:57:21pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

I told this young (and misguided) lass to either go to her local library or a bookstore and get her hands on a copy of “Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich” by Shirer.

I still regard that as one of the better-written histories of that era of European history. It’s written for the average Joe, in many ways….popular history.

a really excellent recent book that really gives you chapter and verse on exactly what kind of social and economic policies the nazis put into place is the third reich in power

172 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:57:31pm

re: #155 chadu

Personally, I’m not amused — I’m fcking horrified.

The brain that can equate those opinions versus facts….

They’re insane.

27% of this country is completely insane.

Could be worse. I’m guessing at least 22% RW and 5% LW, to use the wings loosely. The 22% is based on the approval polling of the last days of the GWB admin. Then there are the insane insane who have no orientation.

173 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:58:52pm

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

174 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:59:01pm

re: #166 Eclectic Cyborg

Not least of which because the real Jesus wasn’t Caucasian.

He was a Jew, a Mediterranean sort. Probably more olive-skinned than I am.

Nah, definitely.

Real Jebus is a cool dude. Fake Jebus makes me want to vomit.

175 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 12:59:50pm

re: #138 engineer cat

Canada has 2x as many rape victims as the US. How’s that gun control working out for women in Canada?

well i definitely agree with you that we should jump to conclusions rather than commit the mistake of looking into it and learning more about it

Ya think?

176 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:00:01pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

*fist-bump*

177 sagehen  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:00:23pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Dear Leftists - Your ancestors came to America to escape socialism.

Actually, uh… my ancestors came here to escape the “biblical values” governance of “Christian nations”…

178 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:01:17pm

re: #159 FriendsofHummus

Shirier’s work is great because he actually lived it. But as any good student/researcher will tell you primary and secondary sources are both equally important. I relied heavily on both for my paper on pogroms in Russia from 1880-1910.

True. I will also recommend, should she write back, Ian Kershaw’s two book biography on Adolf Hitler, an excellent tome, the works of Joachim Fest, and “Until The Final Hour” by Traudl Junge.

For the era of the Great Purge in Stalin’s USSR, I very much enjoyed “The Great Terror” by Robert Conquest.

When I was younger, in my late teens, I was quite the little Bolshevik. “The Great Terror” cured me of that infatuation.

179 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:01:55pm

DERP

180 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:02:02pm

re: #177 sagehen

Actually, uh… my ancestors came here to escape the “biblical values” governance of “Christian nations”…

Some of Commie Wife’s people were just following the megafauna.

181 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:02:56pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

I told this young (and misguided) lass to either go to her local library or a bookstore and get her hands on a copy of “Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich” by Shirer.

I still regard that as one of the better-written histories of that era of European history. It’s written for the average Joe, in many ways….popular history.

It is and it was written by a journalist so it is much easier reading than may such tomes.

182 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:02:57pm

re: #170 Vicious Babushka

1870’s for one side of the family, 1914 for the other.

Well, thank God and Baby Jebus for that.

Not that the various horrors of 1800s Russia were any worse than the 191* Revolutions, but dang.

Zedushka’s family, 1912 from Palestine.

You say this, and I think, I don’t know anything about Jews in Palestine before 1949. Something I’ll need to look up on.

183 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:04:36pm

re: #168 Vicious Babushka

Zedushka is totally freaking out right now because I told him that if he didn’t clean up his room I would CRAM ALL HIS STUFF INTO GARBAGE BAGS AND THROW IT ON THE CURB WITH THE TRASH when he goes to New York tomorrow for our grandson’s Bar Mitzvah.

He did not have to wait until TODAY to start the toxic cleanup.

He’s hyperventilating. I am so not helping him, I have to clean the rest of the house. (But I’m getting a professional crew to do the kitchen)

OMG! It’s Passover time again, isn’t it? Are you using disposable dishes?

184 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:06:15pm

re: #171 engineer cat

a really excellent recent book that really gives you chapter and verse on exactly what kind of social and economic policies the nazis put into place is the third reich in power

I’ll have to read that.

185 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:06:33pm

re: #174 chadu

He was a Jew, a Mediterranean sort. Probably more olive-skinned than I am.

Nah, definitely.

Real Jebus is a cool dude. Fake Jebus makes me want to vomit.

You mean he doesn’t look like this?

186 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:07:00pm

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

Passover is at the end of the month. March 25 is the first night. Another year without my late Cousin Mark’s gourmet Seder.

187 jaunte  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:07:41pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

Our European identity is being destroyed by all these Spanish-speaking people!

188 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:08:49pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

American identity is our diversity. Where a kid of German-Irish-Eastern European extraction can marry a Peruvian immigrant and not have to feel like he’s some kind of “traitor” to his “race.”

189 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:08:59pm

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

Passover is at the end of the month. March 25 is the first night. Another year without my late Cousin Mark’s gourmet Seder.

(((Philly)))

Orthodox Passover is the ONLY reason I’m glad I’m not Jewish.

190 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:09:29pm

re: #188 FriendsofHummus

American identity is our diversity. Where a kid of German-Irish-Eastern European extraction can marry a Peruvian immigrant and not have to feel like he’s some kind of “traitor” to his “race.”

There is a race?

Oh yeah! Just one: Human

191 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:09:29pm

re: #187 jaunte

Our European identity is being destroyed by all these Spanish-speaking people!

It’s all cyclical racist bullshit.

192 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:09:44pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

You mean he doesn’t look like this?

Prolly more like this: Image: 532738_271468929602963_242240805859109_609608_1574099130_n.jpg

193 sagehen  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:09:54pm

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

Passover is at the end of the month. March 25 is the first night. Another year without my late Cousin Mark’s gourmet Seder.

Some branches of my family are stunningly secular in their attempted observance of the holidays. To THIS DAY we still laugh at the cousin who 30 years ago decided pot roast was “so cliche”and tried to liven things up with his special Passover Glazed Ham.

194 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:10:50pm

re: #192 Dr Lizardo

Prolly more like this: Image: 532738_271468929602963_242240805859109_609608_1574099130_n.jpg

oooh, green eyes!

195 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:10:59pm

re: #193 sagehen

lol.

196 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:11:13pm

re: #193 sagehen

Some branches of my family are stunningly secular in their attempted observance of the holidays. To THIS DAY we still laugh at the cousin who 30 years ago decided pot roast was “so cliche”and tried to liven things up with his special Passover Glazed Ham.

OMG! too funny

197 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:12:15pm

re: #194 FemNaziBitch

oooh, green eyes!

Heh. Well, a little dramatic license I’m cool with.

When they make Jesus look like a California surfer dude with blonde hair and blue eyes, looking like he’s ready to catch a wave, yeah…..that’s a little too much dramatic license.

198 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:13:11pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

You mean he doesn’t look like this?

Aw, hell no.

199 Eclectic Cyborg  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:13:22pm

re: #185 FemNaziBitch

You mean he doesn’t look like this?

That looks like a cross (no pun intended) between Jesus and Chad Kroeger.

200 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:13:55pm

re: #186 PhillyPretzel

Passover is at the end of the month. March 25 is the first night. Another year without my late Cousin Mark’s gourmet Seder.

I hope someone invites me to a seder this year.

201 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:14:28pm

re: #185 ggt

You mean he doesn’t look like this?

Dragonball Jesus in SuperSaiyan mode, preparing the Spirit Bomb.

That is all.

202 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:15:32pm

re: #193 sagehen

Some branches of my family are stunningly secular in their attempted observance of the holidays. To THIS DAY we still laugh at the cousin who 30 years ago decided pot roast was “so cliche”and tried to liven things up with his special Passover Glazed Ham.

O_o.

Wow.

Just… wow.

203 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:15:36pm

re: #197 Dr Lizardo

Heh. Well, a little dramatic license I’m cool with.

When they make Jesus look like a California surfer dude with blonde hair and blue eyes, looking like he’s ready to catch a wave, yeah…..that’s a little too much dramatic license.

Yeah, that one at the National Bascilia is rather embarrassing. IMHO. I almost LOL when I saw it. I imagine the mostly foreign worshippers I sat with at Mass just rolled their eyes.

The only Mass I’ve been to in years that wasn’t a wedding or a funeral—all because it was the only time in our schedule I could see the church.

It’s beautiful, BTW. If you are into art and architecture, both the big churches in D.C. are worth visiting.

204 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:16:05pm

re: #200 chadu

I hope someone invites me to a seder this year.

you can come to my house, but we barely even celebrate Easter.

205 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:16:28pm

re: #69 subterraneanhomesickalien

Adam Baldwin seems determined to torpedo his acting career, which is a shame because he’s been good in nearly everything he’s ever been in.

Also this whole “we need to get back to real conservatism” thing is silly folks.

This is American’s version thereof. If you are remembering an America where Conservatism is scholarly and classy, than you are just romanticizing something that never existed. Just trying to scrape the layers of failure off its political history by retroactively calling all those that called themselves conservative before you somehow not really conservative. So you don’t have to admit that yeah maybe liberals were right about the Republican Party all along over the course of the last thirty years or so. Andrew Sullivan has turned this into an art form.

This is conservatism and it always has been. Hateful, stupid, and paranoid. If you think otherwise than you must have been asleep for the past thirty years.

Even when conservatism was scholarly and classy, it was still hateful, stupid and paranoid. If WFB, Jr., the father of the modern conservative movement, was pro-segregation and Jim Crow when it mattered. Had he sounded like a stereotypical Southern redneck instead of an English nobleman, he never would have been able to fake being classy and scholarly.

206 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:16:52pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

I really dig Saint Matthew’s in DC.

207 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:18:22pm

re: #205 moderatelyradicalliberal

Even when conservatism was scholarly and classy, it was still hateful, stupid and paranoid. If WFB, Jr., the father of the modern conservative movement, was pro-segregation and Jim Crow when it mattered. Had he sounded like a stereotypical Southern redneck instead of an English nobleman, he never would have been able to fake being classy and scholarly.

This is true and what you point out about what Buckley was okay with is why I’ll never be a big WFB fan.

208 erik_t  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #188 FriendsofHummus

American identity is our diversity. Where a kid of German-Irish-Eastern European extraction can marry a Peruvian immigrant and not have to feel like he’s some kind of “traitor” to his “race.”

The love-it-or-leave-it crowd, ironically, does not love many of the more awesome things about this country. And boy howdy will they twitter your fucking ears off about it.

209 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:18:43pm

re: #204 FemNaziBitch

you can come to my house, but we barely even celebrate Easter.

For Easter, give me a hollow chocolate bunny, and I’m cool.

Where are you, FemNaziBitch? I’m in NoVA.

(I will totes come to a seder if your are within driving distance. Taking joke as reality. HA!)

210 ibob  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:19:01pm

re: #154 Dr Lizardo

I told this young (and misguided) lass to either go to her local library or a bookstore and get her hands on a copy of “Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich” by Shirer.

I still regard that as one of the better-written histories of that era of European history. It’s written for the average Joe, in many ways….popular history.

Read this book when I was 14 years old. It is easy to read and really brings the time to life. In fact, I had to sleep with my mother after reading the chapter on the concentration camps. I still reread it about every 2 years.

211 sagehen  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:20:04pm

re: #209 chadu

For Easter, give me a hollow chocolate bunny, and I’m cool.

Where are you, FemNaziBitch? I’m in NoVA.

(I will totes come to a seder if your are within driving distance. Taking joke as reality. HA!)

Heretic!! The chocolate bunny must never be hollow, it must be full of marshmallow.

212 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:20:29pm

re: #208 erik_t

The love-it-or-leave-it crowd, ironically, does not love many of the more awesome things about this country. And boy howdy will they twitter your fucking ears off about it.

Yeah and by the way that example I cited is my brother and my future SiL.

213 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:20:51pm

re: #208 erik_t

The love-it-or-leave-it crowd, ironically, does not love many of the more awesome things about this country. And boy howdy will they twitter your fucking ears off about it.

I wouldn’t EXIST without the welcoming immigrants/melting pot idea.

They wouldn’t either, but they’re too stupid or blinded to realize it.

214 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:21:40pm

re: #211 sagehen

Heretic!! The chocolate bunny must never be hollow, it must be full of marshmallow.

There is something really wrong with you.

Marshmallow is ONLY for toasting over a wood fire.

215 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:21:57pm

re: #209 chadu

For Easter, give me a hollow chocolate bunny, and I’m cool.

Where are you, FemNaziBitch? I’m in NoVA.

(I will totes come to a seder if your are within driving distance. Taking joke as reality. HA!)

Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

216 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:22:40pm

re: #214 chadu

There is something really wrong with you.

Marshmallow is ONLY for toasting over a wood fire.

Marshmallow has many, many uses.

217 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:22:40pm

re: #210 ibob

Read this book when I was 14 years old. It is easy to read and really brings the time to life. In fact, I had to sleep with my mother after reading the chapter on the concentration camps. I still reread it about every 2 years.

It’s been nearly five years since I visited Dachau. I still get shaken up thinking about it. Knowing that I was walking and just after enjoying a visit to one of Munich’s best beer halls, knowing that I was walking on ground where so many suffered and breathed their last. I think it’s that why I get upset when people make blanket Nazi comparisons. I mean historical lack of perspective bothers me but to think that one’s displeasure about the fact Obama is POTUS is anything close to what the people at those camps went through.

218 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:22:40pm

re: #215 FemNaziBitch

Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Nope, can’t get there in time. Raise a glass for me, though?

219 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:23:12pm

re: #218 chadu

Nope, can’t get there in time. Raise a glass for me, though?

absolutely!

220 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:24:08pm
221 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:26:08pm

I seem to remember something about this a while ago. I might have posted a page about it.

This is what teaching men not to rape means.

They don’t realize that drunk does not mean lucky.

222 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:26:51pm

re: #220 Gus

Always something to rage about with them.

223 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:28:15pm

This is a good article as well, IMHO.

What If Keeping Women Safe Meant Educating Men?

224 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:29:07pm

re: #217 FriendsofHummus

It’s been nearly five years since I visited Dachau. I still get shaken up thinking about it. Knowing that I was walking and just after enjoying a visit to one of Munich’s best beer halls, knowing that I was walking on ground where so many suffered and breathed their last. I think it’s that why I get upset when people make blanket Nazi comparisons. I mean historical lack of perspective bothers me but to think that one’s displeasure about the fact Obama is POTUS is anything close to what the people at those camps went through.

Okay, this is woo-woo.

The only time I visited the Holocaust Museum here in DC, I was walking around and whatnot.

Then the ground under my feet changed, and I was struck by a weight of horrible suffering and sadness. It hurt, on physical and mental and emotional levels.

I had no idea what was going on.

I turned the corner, and saw a sign that told me this hallway had been built out of bricks from the Warsaw Ghetto.

And, once I stepped out of that hallway onto other flagstones, the weight was gone. Completely gone.

(I’ve had similar experiences at Antietam and Gettysburg. Massive deaths, apparently, leave a “smell” I can sniff. It’s not fun.)

225 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:29:28pm

re: #118 Vicious Babushka

DERP

Translation: White liberals stop fucking up everything with your white guilt.

226 Tigger2  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:29:40pm

re: #173 Vicious Babushka

WHAT RIGHT-WING RACISM?

Don’t the Republicans know what the One World Order is, from my understanding it is the rich wanting to control everything, and the Republican voters are helping that happen by the people they vote for. jmo

227 JeffFX  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:29:41pm

re: #220 Gus

Great post, but I spotted a typo:This is simply and experiment to illustrate the ease of these purchases.

228 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:30:49pm

re: #203 FemNaziBitch

Yeah, that one at the National Bascilia is rather embarrassing. IMHO. I almost LOL when I saw it. I imagine the mostly foreign worshippers I sat with at Mass just rolled their eyes.

The only Mass I’ve been to in years that wasn’t a wedding or a funeral—all because it was the only time in our schedule I could see the church.

It’s beautiful, BTW. If you are into art and architecture, both the big churches in D.C. are worth visiting.

There’s one of them, I’ve forgotten which, that has Darth Vader as a gargoyle.

229 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:31:58pm

re: #224 chadu

Okay, this is woo-woo.

The only time I visited the Holocaust Museum here in DC, I was walking around and whatnot.

Then the ground under my feet changed, and I was struck by a weight of horrible suffering and sadness. It hurt, on physical and mental and emotional levels.

I had no idea what was going on.

I turned the corner, and saw a sign that told me this hallway had been built out of bricks from the Warsaw Ghetto.

And, once I stepped out of that hallway onto other flagstones, the weight was gone. Completely gone.

(I’ve had similar experiences at Antietam and Gettysburg. Massive deaths, apparently, leave a “smell” I can sniff. It’s not fun.)

The most disturbing place I’ve visited thus far is Auschwitz.

230 Gus  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:31:59pm

re: #227 JeffFX

Great post, but I spotted a typo:This is simply and experiment to illustrate the ease of these purchases.

Thanks. Fixed.

231 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:32:13pm

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

There’s one of them, I’ve forgotten which, that has Darth Vader as a gargoyle.

National Cathedral. Damaged in the earthquake.

232 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:32:45pm
In short, we need to have a deeper conversation than just throwing on a videotape and hoping kids get the message.  Until we do, we’re just creating rapists through our own neglect.

Direct link, Posted in Pages as well.

233 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:32:48pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

Would you like to expand, or no?

234 engineer cat  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:33:55pm

all this talk about the next pope and here we are without a holy roman emperor!!!

235 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:35:11pm

re: #228 Dr Lizardo

There’s one of them, I’ve forgotten which, that has Darth Vader as a gargoyle.

I think that is the National Cathedral (the Protestant One—:0) It’s gothic and has a moon rock in one of the stained glass windows. Flying Butresses and all.

It’s much more a “American” Church. Lots of US references in it. The Catholic One, is dedicated to Mary and is in Grego-Roman style.

Both are beautiful.

236 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:35:32pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

The most disturbing place I’ve visited thus far is Auschwitz.

I was in the Jewish quarter in Prague. That actually was pretty humbling. Seeing this old cemetery that went back I think to the 13th century and then to know that the Nazis wiped out families that been there for generations. An entire lineage wiped out in many cases. Their stories, their songs, etc. Makes one want to cry for what’s been lost.

237 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:35:48pm

re: #234 engineer cat

all this talk about the next pope and here we are without a holy roman emperor!!!

Bring back the Hapsburgs! //

238 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:36:02pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

The most disturbing place I’ve visited thus far is Auschwitz.

Yeah, I couldn’t go. Hubby and kid went twice in two different visits. I can’t handle that stuff.

Seeing the reconstruction of the slave cabins at the Hermitage was enough for one year.

239 Kragar (Antichrist )  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:37:24pm

Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare

During an interview on Fox News Sunday, host Chris Wallace asked Ryan how the Republican budget could cut $770 billion out of Medicare in the next 10 years without impacting benefits.

“These are increases that have not come yet,” the Wisconsin congressman explained. “So by repealing Obamacare and the Medicaid expansions, which haven’t occurred yet, we are basically preventing the explosion of a program that is already failing. So we’re saying, don’t grow this program through Obamacare because it doesn’t work.”

“Are you saying, as part of you budget, you would repeal — you assume the repeal of Obamacare?” Wallace pressed.

“Yes,” Ryan insisted.

“Well, that’s not going to happen,” Wallace pointed out.

“Well, we believe it should, that’s the point,” Ryan replied.

Dear GOP,

STOP. WASTING. OUR. FUCKING. TIME.

Go fuck yourselves,
Everyone

240 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:39:01pm

comment from my previous link

we can’t expect men not to cross a line that they don’t know is there

Seriously? We can’t expect men not to know that they shouldn’t have sex with a woman so incapacitated she can’t clearly consent to sex? If we’ve got to explicitly tell men: “Don’t have sex with women who can barely walk. Don’t have sex with women who are vomiting. Don’t have sex with women who are unconscious.” then perhaps rape education needs to begin with just generally teaching men that women are more than walking fuckholes

Yeah, that is about it. Drunk men (and some who are not) are really that dense. This is what I keep trying to explain to hubby—the perpetual good guy. He (like Hannity) can’t imagine that such things need to be taught by anyone other than a parent or a church. Public School Indoctrination Paranoia ensues. …

241 Tigger2  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:39:02pm

re: #239 Kragar (Antichrist )

Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare

Dear GOP,

STOP. WASTING. OUR. FUCKING. TIME.

Go fuck yourselves,
Everyone

That will go no place. dead on arrival.

242 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:39:03pm

re: #239 Kragar (Antichrist )

Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare

Dear GOP,

STOP. WASTING. OUR. FUCKING. TIME.

Go fuck yourselves,
Everyone

They’re not going to repeal Obamacare, Paul. Just accept it. Before you know it though the Republicans will be taking credit for it if it’s popular and efficient enough because they’ll claim that they “stopped” the president from making a real radical program.

243 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:40:04pm

re: #183 FemNaziBitch

OMG! It’s Passover time again, isn’t it? Are you using disposable dishes?

All Passover long, except for the seder we are using my Noritake. There are only 4 place settings. I never got any more BECAUSE WE DON’T USE THE DISHWASHER!

244 erik_t  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:41:34pm

re: #239 Kragar (Antichrist )

Paul Ryan: Republican budget assumes repeal of Obamacare

“Well, we believe it should, that’s the point,” Ryan replied.

The occasional honestly is refreshing. The Republican party is an organization of cargo-cult advocacy, not an organization of government.

245 HappyWarrior  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:42:11pm

Remember when Paul Ryan was a “serious voice.” Yeah……….

246 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:42:18pm

re: #243 Vicious Babushka

The only seder I’ve been to, the main dish was rabbit. (And yummy.)

247 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:44:04pm

re: #200 chadu

I hope someone invites me to a seder this year.

Where do you live?

248 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:44:30pm

re: #246 chadu

The only seder I’ve been to, the main dish was rabbit. (And yummy.)

Not kosher. (Chews the cud, but not split feet)

249 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:48:15pm

re: #247 Vicious Babushka

Where do you live?

NoVA, DC. You’re in MI, right?

250 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:49:19pm

re: #248 Vicious Babushka

Well, they’re a mixed family of Jewish-Anglican sorts.

Weird; didn’t realize rabbit was trafe.

251 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:49:36pm

re: #233 chadu

Would you like to expand, or no?

Just knowing what went on there. It’s disquieting to realize what people are capable of.

252 Tigger2  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:49:39pm

re: #245 FriendsofHummus

Remember when Paul Ryan was a “serious voice.” Yeah……….

No

253 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:49:59pm

re: #251 Dr Lizardo

I dig.

254 Lidane  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:56:16pm

re: #239 Kragar (Antichrist )

Dear GOP,

STOP. WASTING. OUR. FUCKING. TIME.

Go fuck yourselves,
Everyone

That applies to far more than just Obamacare.

The Republican party are deranged and unfit to govern. Simple as that.

255 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:56:27pm

I never heard of this one. from 2005

I DON’T know about the spousal abuse, but the Jesus stuff seems to be true & the wiki

Consider the appalling fact that only The Nation has given serious coverage to criminal allegations against Dr. David Hager, President Bush’s controversial appointee to the Food and Drug Administration’s Advisory Committee for Reproductive Health Drugs . According to reporter Ayelish McGarvey, in October 2004 Hager took the pulpit at Kentucky’s Asbury College chapel and told churchgoers that he had been persecuted for standing up on “moral and ethical issues in this country,” persecution that was part of “a war being waged against Christians, particularly evangelical Christians.” Here’s what he meant: many people had opposed his appointment as the panel’s chair because he had worked with Concerned Women for America to block distribution of mifepristone, the abortion pill. While he did not become chairman, he was appointed to the committee where, Hager boasted from the same pulpit, he had been influential in blocking over-the-counter distribution of the “morning after” pill, which prevents pregnancy if used within 72 hours of unprotected intercourse. In May 2005, The Nation published McGarvey’s article in which Hager’s ex-wife Linda Carruth Davis alleged that, during the years that he had been crusading to restrict women’s medical choices, he had been raping her repeatedly, anally and painfully, often while she was drugged into sleep by prescriptions for a neurological problem. When McGarvey contacted him, Hager would not deny the allegations.

How is it possible that no other media outlet ran with this story? Anyone — but especially any public official — who cannot respect another human being’s bodily integrity can and must be called to account. Such acts matters still more when there’s an intellectual link between the public figure’s attitudes and behaviors and the public policies he promotes. That’s precisely the case for Hager, who — if the allegations are true — publicly worked to deny women the right to make choices in their medical lives, while privately denying his wife choices about her physical life.

Actually, that last article is worth reading on it’s own.

256 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:57:31pm

re: #253 chadu

I dig.

I’ve also visited Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh and Choeung Ek when I was in Cambodia. Another disquieting place.

257 sattv4u2  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:58:39pm

re: #229 Dr Lizardo

The most disturbing place I’ve visited thus far is Auschwitz.

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

I’ve also visited Tuol Sleng in Phnom Penh and Choeung Ek when I was in Cambodia. Another disquieting place.

You really need a new travel agent!!

//

258 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 1:59:38pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

You really need a new travel agent!!

//

Yeah, I can’t handle that stuff. Read enough.

259 Varek Raith  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:02:24pm

Adam Baldwin Jayne, you ignorant slut.

260 Dr Lizardo  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:02:37pm

re: #257 sattv4u2

re: #256 Dr Lizardo

You really need a new travel agent!!

//

Heh. Choeung Ek is perhaps all the more disturbing because human bones can still easily be found on the surface from time to time. My ex-wife stepped on a jawbone. I honestly thought she was gonna have a stroke right on the spot. I stayed there while she went to go find someone that we’d found some remains.

After that, she refused to stay any longer.

261 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:02:38pm

A nail tech at the place I go told me that another nail tech came from a village in Vietnam (most of them are from a city—not country people in this this shop). Anyway, the country girl’s father was disappeared.

Just said it, and kept on working.

I sat there looking at the country girl, just stunned.

262 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:06:15pm

My ancestor that came to the US, was conscripted to fight for Napoleon and ended up being the only man from his village that came back from Moscow. Which, was Napoleon’s farce, but for his soldiers was like a Bataan Death March. It’s amazing any of them returned. Many, like my ancestor were forced to serve and weren’t there by choice.

Shit from history is just nasty.

263 erik_t  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:12:06pm

re: #259 Varek Raith

Adam Baldwin Jayne, you ignorant slut.

Wow. I award you fifty internets and a dashing tuque.

264 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:13:11pm

re: #259 Varek Raith

Adam Baldwin Jayne, you ignorant slut.

Winning!

265 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:14:13pm

Has this been posted yet?

Youtube Video

from this:

It’s the Inequality, Stupid.

266 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:14:29pm

re: #262 FemNaziBitch

My ancestor that came to the US, was conscripted to fight for Napoleon and ended up being the only man from his village that came back from Moscow. Which, was Napoleon’s farce, but for his soldiers was like a Bataan Death March. It’s amazing any of them returned. Many, like my ancestor were forced to serve and weren’t there by choice.

Shit from history is just nasty.

This chart is considered a classic of statistical presentation. It shows the strength of the Grande Armee on the the way to and from Moscow. You need to see a large version to appreciate it—couldn’t find one on the Internets in a hurry.

[Link: www.edwardtufte.com…]

267 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:17:02pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

This chart is considered a classic of statistical presentation. It shows the strength of the Grande Armee on the the way to and from Moscow. You need to see a large version to appreciate it—couldn’t find one on the Internets in a hurry.

[Link: www.edwardtufte.com…]

Holy shit…

268 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:20:36pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

This chart is considered a classic of statistical presentation. It shows the strength of the Grande Armee on the the way to and from Moscow. You need to see a large version to appreciate it—couldn’t find one on the Internets in a hurry.

[Link: www.edwardtufte.com…]

re: #267 AlexRogan

Holy shit…

Found a mildly enlarged version. The essence is the thickness of the beige outbound line and the black ‘returning troops’ line at the left. It’s usually published as something like 20x40.

Image: Minard.png

269 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:21:21pm

re: #249 chadu

NoVA, DC. You’re in MI, right?

Chabad.org will find a community seder in your area.

270 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:22:33pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

re: #267 AlexRogan

Found a mildly enlarged version. The essence is the thickness of the beige outbound line and the black ‘returning troops’ line at the left. It’s usually published as something like 20x40.

Image: Minard.png

Well, I am the progeny of the little black line at the end.

271 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:23:10pm

re: #270 FemNaziBitch

Well, I am the progeny of the little black line at the end.

You’re highly improbable.

272 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:27:41pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

You’re highly improbable.

Any other things …

273 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:28:01pm

re: #174 chadu

Real Jebus is a cool dude. Fake Jebus makes me want to vomit.

As someone who tries to be a Christian, I can only say amen to that sentiment.

274 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:28:42pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

You’re highly improbable.

It could be a book title “The Thin Black Line: My family’s improbable success in America”

275 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:32:47pm

Tolstoy uses the Moscow debacle in War and Peace. It made the book relevant to me. I probably paid more attention because of it. Worth reading, tho, wonderful, wonderful book.

276 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:33:48pm

re: #268 Decatur Deb

re: #267 AlexRogan

Found a mildly enlarged version. The essence is the thickness of the beige outbound line and the black ‘returning troops’ line at the left. It’s usually published as something like 20x40.

Image: Minard.png

Yeah, I got that; while I knew that Napoleon and his Grand Army got their asses handed to them by the Russians, that graphic puts the outbound and inbound legs of the campaign in stark contrast.

277 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:34:45pm

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

Chabad.org will find a community seder in your area.

Mercy buckets!

Thank you.

278 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:35:13pm

re: #276 AlexRogan

Yeah, I got that…while I knew that Napoleon and his Grand Army got their asses handed to them by the Russians, but that graphic puts the outbound and inbound legs of the campaign in stark contrast.

Not just the Russians, but Russia itself. The country killed them. Napoleon killed them with his hubris.

279 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:35:30pm

re: #276 AlexRogan

Yeah, I got that…while I knew that Napoleon and his Grand Army got their asses handed to them by the Russians, but that graphic puts the outbound and inbound legs of the campaign in stark contrast.

Note the bottom scale shows the temperature on the return trip—not familiar with the scale used at the time of the presentation.

280 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:35:48pm

re: #273 William Barnett-Lewis

As someone who tries to be a Christian, I can only say amen to that sentiment.

As someone raised Catholic, and am now agnostic, I also say amen.

281 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:36:42pm

re: #280 chadu

As some raised Catholic, and am now agnostic, I also say amen.

Amen compliments many flavors.

282 AlexRogan  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:38:35pm

re: #278 FemNaziBitch

Not just the Russians, but Russia itself. The country killed them.

Yeah, that too.

Russia in the winter is like Australia…it will try to kill you.

283 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:40:05pm

re: #281 FemNaziBitch

(complex theological-philosophic speech here)

In short: I believe there is a God, and us hairless monkeys can barely understand Him/Her/It/Them.

I look to the universe, and my own soul, for answers.

Badda-boom.

284 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:40:24pm

re: #282 AlexRogan

Yeah, that too.

Russia in the winter is like Australia…it will try to kill you.

I just remember my Aunt telling us they at shoe leather they were so hungry. So many more died from disease, malnutrition and exposure than from actual warfare.

285 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:40:53pm

re: #282 AlexRogan

Australia will try to kill you all year ‘round.

286 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:41:14pm

re: #283 chadu

(complex theological-philosophic speech here)

In short: I believe there is a God, and us hairless monkeys can barely understand Him/Her/It/Them.

I look to the universe, and my own soul, for answers.

Badda-boom.

I believe in trying to get thru the day without fucking-up too much.

287 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:41:28pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

I just remember my Aunt telling us they at shoe leather they were so hungry. So many more died from disease, malnutrition and exposure than from actual warfare.

Shame Napoleon never heard that an army travels on its stomach.

288 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:42:04pm

re: #286 FemNaziBitch

I second that emotion!

289 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:42:45pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Shame Napoleon never heard that an army travels on its stomach.

He probably did, but like other megaolmaniacs, ignored his advisors.

290 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:42:54pm

re: #284 FemNaziBitch

I heard about eating bark and grass.

Terrible.

291 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:44:25pm

re: #290 chadu

I heard about eating bark and grass.

Terrible.

When they got to Moscow, there was nothing there, no food, no livestock, no people. They were unable to replenish supplies.

I think it was so horrible, by the end they were half-naked. What clothes they had either wore-out from the trek or were eaten. They slept on the ground, no blankets, no tents —in the Russian Winter.

292 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:45:55pm

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

I think it was so horrible, by the end they were half-naked. What clothes they had either wore-out from the trek or were eaten. They slept on the ground, no blankets, no tents —in the Russian Winter.

They are still finding mass graves, identifiable by their uniform buttons.

293 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:46:02pm

re: #290 chadu

Self-reply.

I think the “shoe” thing versus the “bark/grass” thing depends on where and when our ancestors were.

My g-grandfather ate shoe leather on the boat to Ellis.
My g-grandmother ate bark, before their farm was viable.

This is 1910.

294 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:46:46pm

re: #291 FemNaziBitch

I cannot even imagine how they survived.

295 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:47:57pm

re: #294 chadu

I cannot even imagine how they survived.

I’d like to think it was good genes. I rather think it was because they became ruthless to survive. Starving men are not nice.

296 chadu  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:49:02pm

re: #295 FemNaziBitch

Indeed.

Seen that, and lived through that, and have almost done that.

297 FemNaziBitch  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 2:50:43pm

re: #292 Decatur Deb

They are still finding mass graves, identifiable by their uniform buttons.

I’m surprised the corpses were left with uniforms. …

298 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 3:10:01pm

re: #279 Decatur Deb

Note the bottom scale shows the temperature on the return trip—not familiar with the scale used at the time of the presentation.

By the time this graphic was composed*, the Reaumur scale divided the range between the freezing and boiling points of water into 80 divisions, instead of the 100 of Celsius, so conversion is not difficult.

* Teh Wiki says 80 degrees was originally defined as the boiling point of alcohol.

299 Decatur Deb  Sun, Mar 10, 2013 3:22:30pm

re: #297 FemNaziBitch

I’m surprised the corpses were left with uniforms. …

The last case I remember was found to be from a military hospital in or near Poland. The cause of death was mostly cholera or some other plague of large units in disrupted territory.

Archaeologists have a bit of a time assigning mass graves in that part of the world to their proper era.

edit: Make that Lithuania

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk…]

300 ಠ_ಠ  Mon, Mar 11, 2013 12:47:11am

Jaaaaayne!
The man they call Jaaaaaaayne!


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